IRC log of #maemo for Saturday, 2009-07-11

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* xnt14 googles 00:00
xnt14for different server comparison00:00
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Macerwow what a piece of crap00:03
Macerwhat ever happened to good laptops? :)00:04
Maceror maybe a laptop that can actually play a real game or two?00:04
johnsqMacer: get a console00:04
xnt14unrealircd seems good00:05
Macera console? :)00:06
Macerxnt14: sounds like the renegade of ircd00:06
xnt14well I'm not sure00:06
xnt14im just testing....:P00:07
johnsqMacer: xbox, psp, nds00:07
xnt14don't forget ps3 ;)00:07
Maceri have a wii00:08
Macergood enough00:08
Maceri don't really play games tah tmuch :)00:08
Macerat the very most i'd play nba live00:08
xnt14I use my xps to play nexuiz and fg00:08
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lbtwow.... Colour Inkjet Photo Printer 1.8" LCD Screen 9-in-1 Card Reader. Dye sublimation. ...... for £2300:11
lbtthat's just wrong00:11
Stskeepsoh, right, the printer downstairs is a SD card reader00:13
* Stskeeps has to remember that00:13
coldbootlbt: Wait until you see the financing deals they have for ink, though.00:14
coldbootlbt: 3.9% interest for a limited time only.00:15
lbtheh I can imagine00:15
lbtI'm not sure how worried to be about removing the proxy...00:16
coldbootI think the Qt build actually goes slower when you do multiple jobs.00:16
lbthow many cores?00:16
coldbootI have two, I set it to three jobs.00:16
lbtah... 2 jobs00:17
coldbootWhen I had 4 cores at my other job, setting it to -j5 was optimal, but using your computer was hard while building.00:17
lbtunless you have very slow disk you're mainly cpu bound00:17
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coldbootYeah I'm definitely cpu bound in this case, the disk is barely working.00:17
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xnt14musicbot: Mizuki Nana | Ultimate Diamond: 悦楽カメリア00:25
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infobotI herald you, my supreme master! Lead us into the light of your wisdom and power00:25
RichiHinfobot: botsnack00:25
infobotRichiH: thanks00:26
* Luke-Jr only has 1-core systems00:28
lbtcoldboot: did you see
coldbootLooking now.00:28
Luke-Jrwhy is Hildon obsessed with not working with standard apps?00:28
johnsqLuke-Jr: multi core is fine, have it since 10 years :)00:28
Luke-Jrjohnsq: uh, multi-core hasn't existed for 10 years00:29
lcukLuke-Jr, cos most standard desktop apps would overwhelm the tablet00:29
johnsqLuke-Jr: dual cpu, is the same00:29
Luke-Jrlcuk: pfft, nonsense00:29
Luke-Jrjohnsq: not exactly00:29
coldbootAntonio wrote that documentation, didn't he?00:29
coldbootI can tell it's him from the way he types grammar, it's interesting.00:30
lbthe's italian00:30
johnsqLuke-Jr: make no big difference, 10 years ago, cache was extern00:30
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coldbootlbt: To some degree I think you can guess what someone's first language is based on how their mistakes in English are.00:38
lbthmm, northener?00:39
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coldbootHalloh, ah 'ad two pints, then me mate gave me anova, now ahv got free.00:41
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coldbootBang on.00:41
Luke-Jrcoldboot: not even mistakes, just accent00:41
coldbootI'm Canadian, and grew up there. But my mom and the rest of her family are from Manchester.00:41
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coldbootLuke-Jr: Yeah, in this case, but still when someone types you can map grammar mistakes to primary language.00:42
lbtI started out manchester way... down south now00:42
Luke-Jrcoldboot: my point is they don't need to make mistakes00:44
Luke-Jrpeople type with different accents depending on original language too00:44
coldbootLuke-Jr: Accents usually don't get typed in to a computer unless it's intentional, though.00:45
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lbtLuke-Jr: they're grammatical... we're in agreement :)00:47
lbtwell, you two are... I never agree with Luke-Jr on principal00:47
Luke-Jrlbt: Esteemed sir, please do not imply that this sentence is not gramattically correct.00:50
lbtyou spelt gramattically wrong00:50
Luke-Jrspelling isn't grammar, idiot00:50
Luke-Jrand you spelled it the same way00:51
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lbtwell, you spelt gramattically write, you spelt grammatically wrong00:51
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tds5016hello all. I think permissions just went fubar on my internal memory card on my n810.00:53
tds5016I can't connect via USB, and it fails when I try to send anything over bluetooth.00:54
johnsqlook with the filenmanager. otherwise gainroot and check what is wrong.00:56
Luke-Jrtds5016: what does that have to do with permissions?00:57
tds5016it gave me an access denied error.00:57
tds5016I just chmodded it to 777 and now bluetooth works.00:57
tds5016but usb won't mount the drive :-/.00:57
coldbootThat was a really funny conversation about grammar.00:58
coldbootLuke-Jr: Are you a maemo developer as well?00:58
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xnt14musicbot: Mizuki Nana | Ultimate Diamond: 蒼き光の果て -ULTIMATE MODE-01:06
xnt14Ultimate Diamond FTW! XD01:06
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Luke-Jrxnt14: …01:11
coldbootSomeone's listening to anime music...01:12
Stskeepsanyone with fremantle sdk on their hands and osso-xterm?01:13
crashanddie_Stskeeps, ...01:13
crashanddie_Stskeeps, I have the SDK on a CD in my hand...01:14
Stskeepsand no cd-rom drive? ;)01:14
xnt14wtf is it with everyone saying stuff like       fdsfdsf,..... or just ......01:14
xnt14ah well01:14
xnt14i might as well join in xD01:14
Stskeepsxnt14: same spectrum as b-man saying "shure"01:14
crashanddie_xnt14, you say only "xD" as well01:14
xnt14ok then01:15
coldbootIt's a picture of an anime character smiling while closing their eyes.01:15
xnt14isn't (^_^)  or ^_^ the anime character smiling with closed eyes? :P01:15
crashanddie_xnt14, "..." usually means frustration or is a textual representation of the look when you cock your head at a 20 degree angle right/back, look at your mate and go "seriously... DUDE"01:16
coldbootxnt14: I guess they're both similar.01:16
xnt14ok then :P01:16
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crashanddie_"xD" could be "too much rice"01:17
lbtI thought ... was "and?"01:17
xnt14no thats like01:18
xnt14im bored.....again xD01:18
crashanddie_lbt, 'seriously... DUDE was "and?"' ?01:18
xnt14* +>01:18
lbtjust ...01:18
javispedromy brain needs larger stack frames01:19
lbt... in the middle is a pause01:19
coldbootxnt14: ^_^ I guess could be some silly giant cat or hamster smiling after smacking its friend who's eyes are way too big.01:19
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coldbootHere's Superpoop's interesting take on anime:
lbtso... waiting for that to sink in you ^_^ (giant hamster)01:19
xnt14musicbot: Mizuki Nana | Ultimate Diamond: Trickster01:20
* xnt14 kills musicbot <script>01:21
xnt14killall musicbot01:21
coldbootxD -> could also be some pixelated robot laughing at a school girl who has fallen over and has a giant tear drop on the side of her head, while exposing her panties underneath as her knees meet, immediately before she starts crying obnoxiously.01:21
xnt14not found01:21
coldbootJust a couple of patterns you might notice in anime. ;)01:21
lbtcoldboot: we discussed grammar and location.... your sentence leads to a different kind of analysis....01:22
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crashanddie_coldboot, girl: -_-'01:22
coldbootlbt: hahaha01:23
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lbtis osso-addressbook closed?01:29
Stskeepsbut not sure01:29
lbtwhat does osso stand for?01:30
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Stskeepsa really ironic name01:30
lbtwell modest gets as far as compiling ... error: tny-stream-cache.h: No such file or directory01:30
Stskeeps(open source software operations)01:30
Stskeepstinymail update maybe01:31
lbt(I know ;) )01:31
lbtI thought I'd gotten the latest tinymail01:31
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lbthmm, shouldn't we have the telepathy stuff in Mer too?01:33
Stskeepsi think it might already be in ubuntu though01:33
lbthas maemo versions.... eg 0.0.6-0maemo3+0m5.dsc01:33
lbtbed now01:35
lbtnight all01:35
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xnt14crap wrong channel XD01:37
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coldbootI'm out, see you all on Monday.01:49
coldbootThe flicker solution is still compiling, I'm outta here.01:50
fiferboy_n810coldboot, cool01:51
fiferboy_n810Are your changes on gitorious?01:51
fiferboy_n810In your clone?01:51
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javispedrocan I do the equivalent of "int3" in armel?03:14
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* xnt14 beats the shit out of his pos windows laptop ( which isn't linux compat ) 05:20
xnt14this piece of crap bsod'ed on me while installing drivers05:21
xnt14and now it bsods on me every time i boot05:21
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z4chhgenerally speaking, if i took my router/wireless ap with me to a hotel that has ethernet in the room...can i setup a wlan relatively easily? ;p06:39
xnt14b-man, hi! :)06:42
xnt14oh shit......06:43
xnt14I just screwed up some deps on my nit X(06:43
xnt14b-man16, you there?06:44
* b-man16 is back06:44
b-man16 yup xD06:44
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xnt14Welcome to the Globabl Network Infrastructure06:45
xnt14~ gni0606:45
xnt14neeed to fix that :P06:45
xnt14b-man is your nit fixed?06:46
* b-man16 gets a stupid security error in firefox in windows >X( i f*cking HATE!!!! windows! >:(06:46
b-man16not yet06:46
xnt14I also hate windows more than ever06:46
* b-man16 got a diagnosis of his tablet from Palco btw :)06:48
b-man16the logic board somehow got messed up06:48
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xnt14so just replace the board?06:49
b-man16yup, but it's going to cost $108 dollars to do so06:50
* xnt14 wonders why b-man16 can't hear him on pm xD06:50
xnt14$108? :)06:50
xnt14better than plunking down $900 on ebay06:51
b-man16yes :) :P :)06:51
b-man16indeed Xd06:51
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pupnik__GBA emulator running @ 250fps on iPhone 3gs07:10
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z4chhi found this interesting07:11
pupniki hear the snes emu is still bad/jittery07:12
pupnikotherwise very nice.  first linux boot was shown on it a few days ago07:12
pupnikand inexpensive07:12
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xnt14if you see b-man tell him ill see him in the morning07:50
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Stskeepsnah, but i would like a sample of that machine09:53
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JaffaMorning, all10:15
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Stskeepsmorning jaffa10:23
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Macerthat's the touch book in action i suppose10:48
MacerStskeeps: you should look into that and ditch the n8x0s :)10:49
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pupnikwhy do people keep comparing tablets to devices 5 times their size11:11
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Macerwell. a tablet is a tablet no matter what its size11:25
Macerthere is no definition that a tablet must be small11:25
Macerbut an 8.9 1024x600 tablet would be kind of nice t have11:25
Macerand i am very curious on how its tablet based os works11:25
Maceri guess with the keyboard hooked up it uses what i suppose is gnome11:26
Macerbut the tablet ver (which it automatically switches to when the kb is detatched)11:26
Maceris like..well.. qtablet i guess :) because that is what it reminded me of11:26
Macerseems like it will be using the es stuff also11:26
pupniki would like a voice recognition library on maemo11:28
pupnikwith some kind of macro framework11:29
StskeepsMacer: we're not religious with what we support. if we have touchbook hardware and a number of conditions are met, we port11:29
pupnikor for a little game11:29
pupnik"bookmarks" "talk dot maemo"11:29
pupnik"google quote snes port quote maemo"11:30
pupnikgotta be on top of things from the userland side.  somebodys gonna do it well, and gain the praise11:31
pupnikplus, with each generation getting stupider, agents and spoken UIs will become more prevalent11:32
Stskeepsvoice recognition is bloody heavy11:32
pupnikwhat for have dsp?  :)11:32
pupnikmark mah woids :)  i'd put money on it11:33
pupnikconversational UI will be big when done right11:33
Stskeepsstar trek, eh11:34
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pupnikyep.  that created a 'subconscious market expectation' in my view11:35
pupnikmaybe i need to dig out a suit and make a powerpoint11:36
pupnik-> ??? -> profit!11:36
Stskeepswhich is why iphone sold so well?11:36
pupniki do not follow11:36
pupnikhmm.  dont recall how they look11:37
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pupnikwe should have a way to take pics with camera and tag the pic on our mapview11:59
pupnikassociate somehow with gps11:59
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Macerconversational ui12:20
Maceri dunno man12:20
Macersometimes talking to a device feels kind of stupid12:20
Macerunless it could have hardcore responses12:20
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MacerStskeeps: i was just joking12:21
lcuk"im sorry macer, im afraid i cant do that"12:21
Macerlcuk: yup.. that's most likely12:21
Maceri thought it odd the only video of a touch book in action was running angstrom12:23
Maceri guess they were developing on a beagleboard12:23
Macerbut the devices they had turned on and they showed it running what looks like gnome on one of them12:23
Macerand the other stuff which looks like qtablet12:23
Macerthen again most news reports have it being released in may or june and it's july and their web site says "in july"12:24
Stskeepsyeah.. at least its more tangible than pandora12:24
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pupnikgreat idea lcuk :)12:29
pupnikbut for just macroing commands it's of limited use.  A really clever 'ai' helping accomplish tasks however, that'd be a different thing.12:30
pupnikespecially if the software could take inputs from the community of users - e.g. correlate spoken wishes with actions, search terms etc taken by the (more experienced) user12:31
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pupnikmight be a security problem with that model though12:32
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lcukpupnik, forget security, merely the level of intelligence of the users will be a problem12:38
lcukwhat one user describes a problem as will be different to others ;)12:38
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pupniki just find chatbots interesting12:40
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pupnikthere should also be some way to automatically score users12:40
pupnikfor e.g. user creates a new document12:41
pupnikchatbot asks "what are you doing?"12:41
pupnikusers give many varied answers, but "creating a new document" is common (as well as homologous statements)12:41
lcukthats a bit long winded aint it12:42
* lcuk has a program for windows called whatamidoing12:42
pupnikor 'agent' obvserves a sequence of google/yahoo/altavista searches, notes a set of content searched associated with a session.  agent asks "wat ru doin" - the user responses can be correlated with a variety of actions at a variety of timescales.12:43
pupnikbut in this case, the conversational aspect doesn't compete with the eyes for inputs12:44
pupnikor hands for mouse/typing12:44
pupnikso it's physically seperated to help emphasize it's 'meta os' aspect12:44
lcukur meta os should really have the formfactor of a tissue dispensor12:46
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lcukthen it can get it ready at the right time :D12:46
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lcuk"if username==pupnik and searches=='pron&horses&ninjas&midgets' dispense tissue12:47
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pupnik  Mushroom Pr0n12:56
qwerty12_N810You don't want to see what people do to carrots...12:58
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javispedrothis rollaly sucks14:24
javispedroit is a microb-eal bug and not a hildon_im one14:24
javispedroI've been looking the whole time at the wrong culprit14:25
javispedromicrob-eal "decides" than since the Chr key is not pressed, there's no way that hildon-im could ever filter a hw key press14:25
javispedrowhich is a true assumption in non-ptes layouts14:26
javispedroI specially like the hardcoded Chr key scancode in what is not even Maemo-specific code14:27
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javispedrowhat's worse, is that Gecko contains much better code doing mostly the same thing, only disabled in MicroB14:30
Stskeepswelcome to maemohell14:32
qwerty12_N810Population: 250+14:33
* Stskeeps hugs Tear14:33
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Stskeepsswear to god, i don't understand how it could be so fast on freerunner :P14:36
Stskeepsthat device is slow like hell14:36
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qwerty12_N810It's the saviour to MicroB users, can't blame it for being the shit on a freerunner14:37
Stskeepswhat were you going to study btw? was it history or?14:38
qwerty12_N810History, Business Studies, Computing, and English Literature14:39
Stskeepssounds good14:39
Stskeepsa good mix for the future14:39
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Macerwow. talk abou ta shitty article from MS14:41
Macerwas trying to get this xp netbook to automatically tether or connect to the home network with differet settings14:42
Maceraccording to that article it should just kind of work?14:42
javispedrowindows & wireless = no work14:45
javispedroit still remember that original "feature" where choosing AES would use TKIP instead14:45
javispedroand viceversa14:45
lcukeasy mistake to make14:46
Maceroh the wifi works fine14:46
Macerwhen i manually config it to tether or to use the home ap14:47
Macerjust not automatically. i don't understand it since the tethering and home stuff use a different subnet14:47
glassMacer: get some 3rd party tool for that14:47
glassMacer: widget or somesuch14:47
Macerglass: heh14:47
Maceror i can just tether a wifi router with openwrt to my phone when the phone is in range14:47
Macerand use the router as an ap :)14:47
Macerwow that would be so damn ghetto14:48
Maceralmost up to 60 hours without smoking :)14:49
Macergo me114:49
lcuki used to smoke14:49
lcuki still do, but i used to as well14:49
javispedroSo if microb-eal is not going to allow me to use that gecko code, that gecko code must go to microb-eal :D14:51
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Macergecko blah15:03
Macernew eureka came out15:03
Macergoing to watch it15:03
javispedro<code>gKeyEventChanged = PR_FALSE;  gKeyEventCommitted = PR_FALSE;  gKeyEventChanged = PR_FALSE;</code>15:04
javispedro"just in case the computer didn't get the value right the first time"15:04
javispedro(this on gecko)15:04
javispedrowithout any comments at all, I'm left to guess if it's a mistake or some nasty weird race condition15:05
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javispedroand since I'm not going to verify that, I will just blindly copy the double assignment, and as such the friggin initial typo gets replicated once again15:07
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Stskeepsqwerty12_N810: happen to know if cp foo.{a,b,c,d} is a bashism?15:14
qwerty12_N810no, sorry15:14
javispedroStskeeps: tcsh supports it15:15
Stskeepsyeah, but if it's a bash vs dash thing :)15:15
javispedrohum... busybox does not15:16
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qwerty12_N810lintian has it classed as one, anyway15:23
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slonopotamustry the following command and tell me, what nokians were thinking about when said its 'center' horizontal alignment16:38
slonopotamuschroot /mnt/initfs/ text2screen -s 10 -H center -t aaaaaaaaa16:38
slonopotamusi'm not going to repeat that behaviour16:39
thuxdoes it work in stock diablo?16:45
slonopotamusthux, yep16:48
thuxcool it worked! got many aaa..16:50
slonopotamusthux, they're supposed to be centered. but its broken.16:51
thuxyes text goes up16:52
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slonopotamusStskeeps, i think fb_text2screen is done. it has all features of original text2screen and zero known to me bugs :)17:06
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slonopotamusit isn't 100% compatible in bugs, however17:08
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slonopotamusfor ex, text2screen doesn't properly convert text color to 16 bit17:09
slonopotamus`chroot /mnt/initfs/ text2screen -s 10 -T 0x00ff00 -t Z` supposed to draw green Z. but its orange.17:10
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Stskeepssounds cool :)17:13
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slonopotamusStskeeps, try it ;)17:16
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slonopotamusi need to rollout tarballs, i think...17:16
Stskeepsif you want to work on a open initfs (wifi, bme blobs excluded) you're more than welcome17:17
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slonopotamusStskeeps, why initfs at all, btw? i still hope to put modern kernel on tablet17:18
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Stskeepsslonopotamus: very useful for rescue operations, simple :P17:19
Stskeepseither that or kernel setting to boot into a rescue mode17:19
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slonopotamusStskeeps, fremantle isn't going to have initfs?17:19
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slonopotamusStskeeps, what does it have instead?17:20
Stskeepsnothing, boots directly to flash area i think17:22
Stskeepsi don't know, honestly17:22
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GAN800Either that, or Maemo Genuine Advantage. ;)17:23
slonopotamus try it :)17:23
GAN800They put the HSPA modem in there so it can phone home at boot. ;)17:24
qwerty12_N810When will AntiMGA be coming out for it then? ;)17:24
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GAN800qwerty12, never.17:29
GAN800MGA is unstoppable.17:29
qwerty12_N810Yeah, I can believe that. The only "crack" OS2008 saw was a trial reset :D17:30
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tlhow to use maemo sdk image in windows?17:48
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lcuk2tl, vmware17:49
tli don't know how to use it17:49
tli have downloaded the sdk image and vmplayer17:50
lcuk2run vmware, open image, marvel at a whole linux computer running in a window17:50
tlyeah i can see it17:51
tli can't use command Xephyr17:51
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tlit prompt "can't open shared file"17:52
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tlwhat is the
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Stskeepsqwerty12_N810: did you ever try running a later uclibc in initfs?17:54
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qwerty12_N810Stskeeps: I don't trust Nokia programs to work with anything newer17:55
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tlIf i want to use maemo sdk image in windows,how should i do ?17:56
Stskeepsqwerty12_N810: ah, the exploding tablet problem17:56
tlThe steps i must take.17:56
lcuk2run vmware, open image, marvel at a whole linux computer running in a window17:56
lcuk2from there its the same instructions for running the sdk in linux ;)17:57
qwerty12_N810Stskeeps: thinking about statically compiling fb_text2screen?17:57
tlhow about vmware workstation 5.5?17:58
Stskeepsqwerty12_N810: no, i was thinking how we can work around the initfs bug17:58
tlThe sdk image doesn't support vmware station 5.5?17:58
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qwerty12_N810Stskeeps: It will be "looked" but after 2 years, I'm inclined to think bullshit17:59
Stskeepsqwerty12_N810: sometimes it's easier to act than beg i guess17:59
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lcuk2Jaffa, you around18:00
tli use vmplayer and it works,however,it doesn't work when i use  vmware workstation 5.518:00
lcuk2then speak to your vmware workstation reseller18:01
slonopotamusqwerty12_N810, statically built fb_text2screen is 580kb :/18:02
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qwerty12_N810slonopotamus: use a uclibc toolchain :)18:02
tli use a free vmware workstation.18:02
lcuk2then make a note of the error messages and ask in vmware chan? i dont think anyone would know why a specific version of vmware doesnt work18:03
tlit seems that it is lack of some components.18:03
slonopotamusqwerty12_N810, i tried. uclibc doesn't build for me18:03
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woglindeslonopotamus use openemebdded18:04
slonopotamusand i don't feel brave enough to hack it :)18:04
woglindeto build uclibc toolchain18:04
tlif i use vmplayer,it can be started normolly.18:04
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slonopotamuswoglinde, ... i use gcc to build it. how openembedded helps here?18:05
tlbut i can't use command Xephyr and i can't debug gui application.18:05
Stskeepsslonopotamus: you don't have to build uclibc, just use one from a toolchain :P18:05
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woglindeslonopotamus because oe buils uclibc toolchain when you set MACHINE to nxx and distro chinook18:05
woglindethen you can compile you program statical18:06
woglindeand run on the device18:06
qwerty12_N810slonopotamus: grab the one for scratchbox18:06
tlthe error message is "there is no".what is
slonopotamusStskeeps, i don't like unreproducible binaries18:06
slonopotamusand why build it statically at all?18:06
Stskeepsslonopotamus: welcome to maemohell18:06
slonopotamusStskeeps, i'm rewriting it :)18:07
woglindeor use mer18:07
slonopotamuswoglinde, i use gentoo18:07
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* Stskeeps wonders what we really need from initfss18:07
StskeepsBME, and that's about it? if we could get static binaries of wlan-cal, bme, wouldn't we be fairly happy?18:08
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slonopotamusStskeeps, watchdog from dsme for bme18:09
Stskeepswe have dsme open source18:09
slonopotamusStskeeps, i mean, you want wd too18:09
Stskeepsyeah, we have dsme :P18:09
slonopotamusStskeeps, ... i mean, you want it in initfs18:10
* slonopotamus runs `# crossdev armv6j-gentoo-uclibceabi`18:11
slonopotamusi lost 'linux' :(18:11
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qwerty12_N810slonopotamus: ~68kb static binary that runs in initfs:
slonopotamusqwerty12_N810, built against uclibc?18:27
qwerty12_N810tried it out, works really well, thanks18:27
woglindeqwerty12_N810 with which toolchain?18:28
slonopotamusqwerty12_N810, it doesn't untar with gnu tar. it just waits for smth18:28
qwerty12_N810slonopotamus: odd, knock the ".tar" off the link18:29
qwerty12_N810woglinde: not sure, it's some scratchbox one I found, the link is in the irc logs somewhere18:29
woglindeqwerty hm okay18:30
slonopotamusqwerty12_N810, it works :)18:30
qwerty12_N810slonopotamus: cmake sucks btw, I ended up doing the gcc line by hand18:32
slonopotamusqwerty12_N810, i tried to use autotools, spend 3 days and threw them away. then set up cmake build in 1.5 hours18:33
woglinde3 days?18:34
woglindeslonopotamus you read the autotools manual and looked at the examples?18:34
woglindemost problem with autotools is that you find to many outdated dokus in the net18:35
slonopotamuswoglinde, i read official documentation18:37
woglindeslonopotamus what were your problems?18:37
woglindeand what do you wanted to achieve?18:37
slonopotamuswoglinde, i couldn't understand how to properly pass -std=c99 to gcc18:38
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woglinde?????18:43 setting CLFAGS="-std=c99"18:43
slonopotamusthat doesn't respect user's CFLAGS18:44
woglindeor per app CFLAGS18:44
woglindebin_PROGRAMS = prog1 prog218:45
woglindeprog2_CFLAGS = $(LIBFOOCFLAGS) $(AM_CFLAGS)18:45
woglindethats from offical Automake doku18:45
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derf"Most problems with autotools" are that there are approximately 4 people on the planet who understand it, and it gets changed, incompatibly in both directions, every version.18:46
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woglindethe problem is that the programms are to lazy to read the doku18:47
woglindeand update there stuff18:47
woglindeand then using constructs from 10 years ago18:47
derfNo, most of them wouldn't understand it if they _did_ read it.18:47
derfPeople _like_ using constructs from 10 years ago, because developers _do_ _not_ _care_ about your build system.18:48
derfThey just want it to _work_.18:48
woglindethen I am one of the four haha18:48
derfSeriously, autotools is probably responsible for more wasted developer time than any other single thing besides Windows.18:48
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woglindeif developers dont care about buildsystem they cair about nothing18:49
derfSpeak for yourself.18:49
slonopotamuswoglinde, besides that, it is damn slow18:49
javispedro I have to agree with derf. I've wasted a lot of time with autotools.18:49
woglindeslonopotamus okay thats the minus18:49
derfIt's far from "the" minus.18:49
derfIt doesn't even make my list of the top 5 minuses.18:50
slonopotamusand i don't like all those generated files in my source tree18:50
woglindebut the problem is you have no better system if you care about cross compiling18:50
derfI would argue that writing makefiles by hand is better.18:50
javispedroAC_CHECK_PROG() does that take a [action_if_false] or does it always fail? I'll never remember18:50
javispedrohave to check the "dokus" as you say -> wasted time18:51
derfBecause it's just as much work to get going, and you still have to test everything anyway, but at the end it isn't broken arbitrarily because someone else decided to change all the constructs on you.18:51
slonopotamus h18:51
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woglindeslonopotamus I know cmake18:52
slonopotamusi tried to used autotools first. it failed for me.18:52
infobotslonopotamus meant: i tried to use autotools first. it failed for me.18:53
slonopotamuswoglinde, qwerty12_N810 feel free to write a patch that converts fb_text2screen to autotools :)18:54
qwerty12_N810slonopotamus: why? invoking gcc directly worked fine here :P18:55
javispedrosomehow I'm yet to understand the whole autotools craze18:55
javispedroancient unixes are dead18:55
derfYou know what's even better about hand-written Makefiles? When something goes wrong when someone tries to use it on a platform you didn't test (which is inevitable, if not _more_ likely with autotools), an _ordinary_ human being can read your Makefile, diagnose the problem, and fix it.18:55
javispedroplain makefiles are much better18:55
slonopotamusqwerty12_N810, until there's 1 binary - yep18:56
qwerty12_N810Mmm, I had to go through a Makefile generated by Ruby's extconf.rb and the urge to commit suicide was overwhelming18:56
derfGenerated Makefiles are quite something else.18:56
slonopotamusqwerty12_N810, after i add cal-tool + shared lib + header, things will become more complicated18:56
Stskeepsqwerty12_N810: just as bad as cdbs? ;)18:56
derfBut even I'm prone to hand-editing automake's generated Makefiles rather than trying to actually fix the automake problem.18:56
javispedrowhat does autotools do either way? apart from automatic dependency  :D18:58
qwerty12_N810Stskeeps: cdbs is ok now, I found some .mk file which you can include to override what cdbs runs etc18:58
slonopotamusjavispedro, no idea. platform-specific defines?18:59
qwerty12_N810javispedro: lots of tests! :D18:59
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derfIt's very important that you know you can pass 32768 command-line arugments.19:00
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javispedrowhich would be much better done ONCE in a system's lifetime19:00
javispedrothen saved in a pkg-config like application19:01
javispedroand just "pkg-config --cflags MY_SYSTEM_CONFIG"19:01
lcuk2what happens when you upgrade little bits?19:01
woglindeqwerty12 made no sense to argue further19:01
lcuk2like install a newer patch of xargs19:01
lcuk2what rules would you put on rebuilding this config thing19:01
lbthmm, seems a good time to ask... I'm missing ./libtool ... how do I get it?19:01
woglindeif one have a complex app with serval libs and bins using gettext19:01
woglindeautotools is best choice19:01
qwerty12_N810lbt: libtoolize afaik19:02
* lcuk2 gave up on libtool19:02
woglindelcuk2 hm19:02
woglindemay I help you?19:02
lbtthe ./configure has :LIBTOOL='$(SHELL) $(top_builddir)/libtool'19:02
lcuk2heh not that i know of19:02
lcuk2nothing i did could make full library building work on device19:03
lbtand I'm not rewriting it, just packaging it19:03
lcuk2and i broke 3 working dev machines in the process19:03
woglindelcuk ?????19:03
lcuk2so i went back to the old way and have been happy since19:03
lbtlibtoolize doesn't "just fix it" :(19:03
lcuk2 :)19:03
woglindelbt do you have a pointer to your soft?19:03
lcuk2woglinde, i do all dev on device, getting full library generation and dpkg and autofuck and all that working almost made me go bacld19:04
lbtwoglinde: ?19:04
woglindelbt it will generate if you have proper and run autoreconf19:04
lbtit's conboy as it happens19:04
lbtI did : automake --add-missing ; autoreconf19:04
lbttrying to document some of this stuff19:05
lbtseems more productive than arguing on irc too ;)19:05
woglindehm is conboy at garage?19:05
javispedrolcuk2, dunno :) maybe xargs should take care of properly specifying its own specifications19:05
lbtyes but19:05
lbtdo you have a novell account?19:05
lbtwould you mind?19:06
lbtthen it's just
lcuk2javispedro, with however many versions in the wild right now, your suggestion about a config style setup would be difficult at best and frought with issues19:06
lbtand dl the tar.gz with mer diffs19:06
lbtwoglinde: instructions here for acc:
lcuk2you are mandating changing every single utility worldwide to work with your config file because you dont want to run ./configure ;)19:06
woglindelbt did you change something on the autotools file too?19:07
lcuk2 a lot of people know its a brainfuck, but its the easiest way to do it :)19:07
lbtnot AFAIK19:07
lbtconboy isn't fully branch/patch managed yet19:07
lbtso it's a tad hard to tell19:08
javispedrolcuk2: touché :)19:08
lbt(if it was I'd point you at gitorious)19:08
woglindethey are using AM_GLIB_GNU_GETTEXT19:08
derflcuk2: I don't see how that's much different than requiring new versions of autofoo all the time.19:08
* woglinde cries19:08
derfBecause _every_ _version_ breaks every other one.19:08
lbtwoglinde: I am blissfully ignorant :)19:09
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derfAnd godforbid someone actually want to build 10 year-old software using those "10 year-old constructs".19:09
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lcuk2derf agreed19:10
lcuk2but really, building *ANCIENT* software like that should be banned :p19:10
lcuk2thats like older than qwerty12_N81019:10
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derflcuk2: Right. Let's mandate that every developer everywhere continually dick with their build system, forever.19:10
derfBecause that seems like a great use of everyone's time.19:11
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lcuk2agreed and there will never be a one size fits all solution19:11
wazd_n800hello everyone)19:12
lbthi wazd_n80019:12
lcuk2hiya wazd_n80019:12
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woglindelbt the gettext stuff has to change19:14
woglindeits the olde usage19:14
woglindewhich is pain in ace19:15
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woglindelbt are you maintainer of conboy?19:15
lbtis it relatively easy?19:15
lbtno, Mer19:15
woglindelbt yes19:15
lbtI am happy to have a Mer patch for it19:16
woglindebecause AM_GLIB_GNU_GETTEXT always set USE_NLS to true19:16
lbtI am happy to *maintain* a Mer patch for it19:16
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woglindethe #else in localization.h is useless19:16
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woglindelbt I did the change yesterday for pulseaudio19:16
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lbtfancy jotting some notes down:
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xnt14my dad wants to connect his vista laptop to the network, and the public private crap is driving me insane19:36
xnt14I set a static ip, and then it sets it automatically to the 192.168.x range, but I use 10.5.1.x range.......19:36
Macerok. couldn't take it anymoer19:47
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Maceri pre-ordered a touch book19:47
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lcuk2Macer, i thought you loved your g119:51
lcuk2or wasnt it you19:51
woglindemacer yeah19:51
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Macerlcuk2: i do19:59
MacerBUT... this thing is like an arm based netbook19:59
Maceri have an aspire1 now but it sucks19:59
Macerlasts like 4-5 hours19:59
Stskeepswith mer and proper power management i bet it can last longer :P20:00
Maceryou mean like sleeping and totally hibernating in xp?20:00
Stskeepsi was talking about the touchbook20:00
Macerthat's crap. my n800 lasted longer if i didn't use it and came right back on20:00
Macerthe touchbook is supposed to last 10-15 horus20:00
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Maceri was talking about the aspireone i'm on now20:00
Stskeepsyeah, but 10-15 hours with maemo + power saving, will rock :P20:01
Macerthe aspireone lasts 4-520:01
Stskeepsas in, lasts for several days20:01
Maceroh i'm sure it would20:01
Macerthe tablet comes with a small batter though20:01
Macerto get the full 10hrs you have to attach the keyboard20:01
Macerwith its secondary battery20:01
Maceri preordered one a few minutes ago20:01
Macermy impulse to buy one was too high20:01
glasssounds nice20:01
glassfor cottage whatever20:02
glassMacer: how much?20:02
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Macer$428 after all was said and done20:03
Macerwtf is...20:03
Maceran eWaste tax??20:03
Maceris that california's way of getting out of a $20billion hole?20:03
glasstaxes that get added to advertised price suck bigtime20:04
Macerglass: well. that's pretty normal here20:04
Macersales tax where i live is the highest in the US20:04
Maceri'm in chicago and we have a 10.25% sales tax!20:05
Macerthat's just retarded20:05
Maceri go to other counties to buy stuff.. i'd rather spend the extra money on gas than pay these bastards their greed money20:05
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glassMacer: yeh, but it's retarded system, thus makes for good jokes on cartoons :D(fault of both merchants and gov i suppose)20:06
Macerodd though. i thought they were waiving shipping costs if you pre-order but it is still on teh invoice20:06
Macerso maybe they are sending units out already20:06
Macerglass: 10.25 is just way out there though20:06
Maceri mean.. if you buy a big ticket item like a car... 10.25%?20:06
glassMacer: man.. i'm from finland. you got any idea what VAT is on fun stuff here?20:07
Macerthat's like loan sharking20:07
Macerwell. i sent Stskeeps an n800 in dk20:07
Macerand he kept telling me "mark it as a gift! mark it as a gift!"20:07
Macer:) something about taxes there20:07
glassMacer: been there :D in similar situation receiving a package20:08
glassMacer: i once got a xbox and couple of phones through customs by paying the vat for a pair of sneakers20:08
glassMacer: my friend had used old receipts and such as packing material20:08
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Maceri'm still curious as to what an eWaste tax is20:08
Macerit's on the invoice20:08
glassMacer: the xbox had a busted psu so i was a bit nervous if i had to pay tax on it or not..20:09
Maceryou would figure that there would be less waste ordering online20:09
Macersince it doesn't require paper :)20:09
Macerwhat woudl happen if you didn't pay?20:09
glassMacer: probably they have to take your ewaste back though now20:09
Macerwould a black unmarked truck show up to your house20:09
glassi wouldn't have gotten the package20:09
glassit got flagged down at customs20:09
Macerglass: like there were spare electrons left over clogging the internets?20:09
glasssince then i've favored "books" as label20:10
Macerand they needed the tax to keep the internets clean?20:10
glassMacer: your old c64 and shit20:10
Maceri don't have an old c6420:10
Maceralthough i guess i have thrown monitors out before :)20:10
glassyeah but someone has somebodys old c6420:10
Maceri saw a special on "recycling" places20:10
glassyeah those can be real fun20:11
Macerthey said they were taking old computer stuff and recycling it20:11
Macerwhat they were really doing was sending it to a place outside of hk illegally20:11
Macerand having poor workers sit there melting the raw materials down in giant vats of melted plastic and other deadly chemicals20:11
glassnot a really long term business that20:11
Macerwith nothing but rags on their faces20:11
Macerand when i say poor. i mean financially poor. not poor because they have to do it :)20:12
Macerthey had all these melted plastic scars on their arms and shit like that20:12
Maceri suppose technically you can say they WERE recycling20:12
Macerjust low tech :)20:12
glassyeah, but doing it just so.. well. bad20:12
glassbut it's a chinese tradition20:12
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Maceryou have to love lack of chinese quality control just for a buck20:13
Macerthey are the perfect capitalist communist country20:13
glasswell if you're starving i suppose i'd do some crazier shit20:13
Maceryou saw what they did with the food inspector that let the tainted baby milk out right? :)20:13
Macertook him somewhere and shot him in the head20:13
glasscan't really shoplift if you get shot for doing that20:13
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Macerman i hope they are shipping this thing now20:14
Macerand their web site just hasn't been updated20:14
Maceri really want to mess with it20:14
lcuk2well, you can shoplift, but you will only get caught once20:14
Macerlcuk2: in arab countries they still chop hands off20:15
glasslcuk2: better shoplift something good then20:15
Macerwe need some tough love like that here :)20:15
Maceri heard a story about one guy who was  on trial in saudi arabia20:15
glassMacer: chasing shoplifters who think you'll kill them is pretty nasty too20:15
lcuk2well, last person that tried that is up for attempted murder20:15
Macerhe told the "judge" that the thing he took was just sitting there20:15
Macerhe found something in the middle of the road20:15
* xnt14 screams I GOT A GOOGLE VOICE INVITE!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!20:15
Macerthe judge told him, "Well.. you KNEW it wasn't yours didn't you?"20:16
xnt14ok ill stop now20:16
Macera google voice?20:16
xnt14google voice invite20:16
Maceryou need an invite for google voice?20:16
javispedrowaaaaaaaaaaaaah xnt14 :(20:16
ShadowJKyou used to need invite for gmail :)20:16
xnt14You are invited to open a free Google Voice account. To accept this invitation and create your account, visit [removed]20:16
MacerShadowJK: i know but20:16
glassinviting is the marketing thing they think they invented so..20:16
xnt14no it works :)20:17
Maceri kind of thought that if you have a gmail acct you get the google voice too20:17
xnt14did one of you guys send me one?20:17
Macerif you add the add-on20:17
lcuk2voice or grandcentral?20:17
lcuk2We are happy to announce the launch of Google Voice, the next version of GrandCentral.20:18
lcuk2i had a grandcentral account last year20:18
lcuk2damn thing is US only20:18
xnt14lcuk, where are you?20:18
lcuk2not in US20:18
xnt14well, i wanted google voice for a loooooooooooong time20:19
lcuk2shoulda said20:19
lcuk2ive had invites forever i think20:19
xnt14so you sent me one?20:19
lcuk2no you never asked20:19
MacerGoogle Voice: Coming soon20:19
xnt14I wonder then who sent me one20:19
Macerif you have a google acct you can just login to google voice20:20
Macerbut it isn't out yet... VAPORWARE!20:20
xnt14no, i've tried, before, it won't let you unless you have a acc at voice20:20
xnt14nope its real20:20
xnt14not vaporware, it works ;)20:20
lcuk2Macer, there were good reports of it last year when first announced20:21
lcuk2it operates via us call stuff tho cso its recipient pays or something20:21
Macerso it is like20:21
Macerthe gay skype crap on the g1?20:21
lcuk2i dunno i havent got a gay g120:22
Macerwhere you have a call forwarded through another number that wastes skype credits and minutes?20:22
javispedroso now it will ever get outside the US then20:22
javispedros/now/no way/20:22
infobotjavispedro meant: so no way it will ever get outside the US then20:22
lcuk2javispedro, dunno20:22
lcuk2but thats a common thing for phone service ideas20:22
Macerskype is international20:22
lcuk2skype is, but thats a different thing20:23
lcuk2grandcentral is tied to proper phones20:23
Macerit's great if you get the GE phones that have the network base20:23
lcuk2its lawnmower man scenario20:23
Macertied to proper phones?20:23
lcuk2all your phones ring at once i believe20:23
Macerso does skype20:23
lcuk2yeah cell+land+sip20:23
Macerthey all ring at once too20:23
* lcuk2 shrugs20:24
Macerit's the same thing :)20:24
Maceri'm suprised google just didn't buy skype20:24
Macermaybe that's what they are doing20:24
lcuk2so i can have someone call my regular phone number and pickup from wifi computer?20:24
Macer"coming soon.. once our hostile takeover of skype is complete"20:24
Macera skype wifi phone20:24
Maceror... the skype phones with the network base (whcih are the best solution)20:25
Maceror an n800 :)20:25
lcuk2i know theres skype out, but didnt realise i could get calls back into it using my #20:25
* lcuk2 is suddenly a bit more interested20:25
Macerwell. you are issued a phone number20:25
Maceri don't think you can keep the one you have20:25
Macerbut it works for land line calling20:26
Maceri've had my skype # for over a year20:26
Macer@ $3/month you can't go wrong20:26
lcuk2does your regular house phone ring though if someone skypes you?20:26
lcuk2ie proper true landline20:26
Macerer... no. it's voip20:26
Maceri only have skype phones20:26
lcuk2thats not hte same then at all20:27
lcuk2thats just a sipphone20:27
Macerwell.. skype doesn't use sip afaik20:27
lcuk2same principle20:27
Macerbut i'd say it's more voip ;)20:27
Macerwell.. i don't believe in old crusty copper wires anymore20:27
Maceri am going to have them ripped out of my house20:27
lcuk2i do :)20:27
javispedroat least here they allow to forward calls to a landline phone20:27
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Macerjavispedro: yeah. they do that here too20:28
lcuk2i want a phone that will work without computers or electricity20:28
lcuk2something where the other end powers it ;)20:28
Macerlcuk2: hahaha20:28
Macerlcuk2: i see20:28
Maceras the amish do :)20:28
javispedrogood luck finding it lcuk2 :)20:28
lcuk2javispedro, i have one20:28
lcuk2have done for years20:28
Macerjavispedro: normal land lines do that20:28
javispedroI know20:28
Macerlcuk2: just install a small solar panel20:28
javispedrobut even the cheapest phones I could find already have their own chargers and all that20:28
Maceri'm sure that can handle keeping the phones gonig20:29
Macerjavispedro: you have to go old school20:29
Macerget a rotary phone20:29
lcuk2javispedro, no good having a charger to the handset if the base station has no power20:29
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javispedrolcuk2: its even worse. the phone itself does not work it the base station has no power :P20:29
lcuk2actually you can get phones that do20:29
lcuk2if the basestation is in range it uses that20:30
lcuk2otherwise its a mobile20:30
lcuk2think its bt fusion or something20:30
Macerlcuk2: you mean you want a cordless20:30
lcuk2but my copper based landline is more reliable20:30
Macerthat charges off the phone line?20:30
Maceri thought that is what you meant20:30
Maceryou want like some 1980 phone20:30
lcuk2no, hardline only20:30
Macerso ... 1980s phone20:30
lcuk2bakelite ftw20:31
Macerok.. i'm going to nag these people about when my touch book is going to ship20:31
lcuk2they should beuild spaceships out of that stuff20:31
lcuk2its indestructable20:31
javispedroooh.. rotatory spaceships20:31
Macer"JESUS! All the news articles say JUNE! WTF? Is this a scam?!"20:31
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Maceryou have to be weary about companies that use USPS priority20:32
Maceri was in shock when my popcornhour actually showed up20:32
lcuk2javispedro, i am intruiged by your ideas and wish to subscribe to your newsletter20:33
Macer60 hours without smoking20:33
Maceri think i am doing ok20:33
lcuk2wasnt it 60hours last night?20:33
Maceri miscounted20:34
javispedroMacer: you're dreaming it all20:34
javispedronow, wake up!20:34
Maceractually. strange thing is that 2 hours of sleep feels like 820:34
lcuk2Macer, you need to relax20:34
* lcuk2 crashes the ash20:34
Maceris this the part where you tell me about the nice.. smooth.. fresh taste of a good cigarette will calm my nerves?20:35
lcuk2btw Macer when you get past this stage - please dont become a hypocrite and bitch and moan at those smokers you left behind20:35
Macerlcuk2: haha... naw20:35
Macernot that type of person :)20:35
lcuk2fuck that, they rip your lungs out and cause you to die horrible nasty death eventually20:35
Maceri could care less. i'd be smoking still if they weren't $9 a pack20:35
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Macerover HALF is taxes20:36
lcuk2worst part is im not joking20:36
lcuk2i actually dont like smoking20:36
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lcuk2buy abroad20:36
Macerso i'm just trying to stick it to the man by saving myself from a slow painful death20:36
lcuk2tho when i went to finland i couldnt get any at the airport20:36
lcuk2i had to get cigars20:36
* lcuk2 throws up20:37
Macereven if i were to smoke now20:37
lcuk2im pondering actually doing some work20:37
Macerthe chantix is in full effect20:37
Macerlcuk2: don't do it!20:37
lcuk2well i cant muck about all day20:38
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* lcuk2 has seen enough caturday pictures for the week20:38
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javispedroI believe I rm -rf'ed my "newsletter" when the fourth spam of the day got through... oh well, then so be it20:42
javispedroyou know, the nit's blinking blue led can be useful but also annoying20:42
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crashanddie_Macer, at $9, a lot more than just half is taxes20:56
crashanddie_Macer, when I'm in the Ukraine, I buy fags at hotels or restaurants for 6 grivna, which is 60p20:57
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javispedroI hate how bugzilla emails _everyone_ even If I fix a one-letter typo21:01
javispedroshould learn from wikimedia's "non-important fix" checkbox21:01
Macercrashanddie_: a nickel! I QUIT! I open my own hotel now!21:02
* xnt14 wonders if there is a google voice app for the nit........21:03
Macerwhat is that in $? like 1.25?21:03
qwerty12_N810Macer: that creepy italian guy was hilarious21:03
Macerqwerty12_N810: haha21:03
Macerthat movie was classic21:03
Stskeepsxnt14: dialcentral? maybe21:03
Macerscottie doesn't know!21:03
xnt14ok, ill check, opening app manger ;)21:03
Macerthe dude they got to play his best friend though.. he reminded me of (can't remember hsi name) the guy that did al the movies with chris farley21:04
Maceri'm wondering how long i'm supposed to feel this nicotine withdrawal21:04
Macer2 days and it is supposed to be out of my system.. so i'm past that21:05
xnt14"dial central successfully installed" ~ App Manager | :)21:05
MacerStskeeps: the rest of my life? like a crack addict? :)21:05
xnt14looks awesome already21:05
StskeepsMacer: the psychological part will be there very long :P21:05
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Maceri'm not worried about the psychological part :)21:06
Maceri don't believe in it21:07
Jaffalcuk2: pong21:07
Maceri am still feeling the physical  parts21:07
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Macerthe chantix kept it in check slightly but it's still pretty bad21:08
Maceri guess it's like using a patch in reverse21:09
xnt14I just texted "i'm bored" to my friend via text message from my nit xd21:09
Macerinstead of giving you nicotine.. it blocks it :)21:09
xnt14now it feels like a cellphone o.021:09
Maceror at least that's what they said. i don't want to smoke a cigarette to find out haha21:09
Stskeepsxnt14: with dialcentral?21:09
Macerxnt14: lol21:09
xnt14I just want background push style notifications of a text when it comes in, but on my nit or ipod, not my phone, (im on prepaid)21:11
* xnt14 loves google voice xD21:11
* xnt14 has already sent 47 text messages from his google voice account xDDD21:12
xnt14and I usually don't text lol21:12
javispedrowaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaah xnt1421:13
xnt14hell, I need some cash in my itunes acc, I need a gvoice app for my ipod.............21:14
* xnt14 can't wait until gvoice has an api...................21:15
lcuk2the more dots you put there, the greater chance pacman will come and eat you21:15
lcuk2and since pacman has no arms, he can't code21:15
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Luke-Jrxnt14: never?21:22
Luke-Jrwould be nice if the SMS feature could pass the message over XMPP ;)21:23
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Luke-Jrxnt14: that only works in a browser21:30
xnt14oh crap21:30
xnt14wrong window21:30
xnt14ah well21:30
xnt14let me try21:30
Luke-JrGoogle has actively prevented automation21:30
xnt14I just want a cmdline util to call my dad :P21:30
Luke-Jrxnt14: could've done that a month or 2 ago21:31
Luke-Jrbut Google blocked it21:31
lcuk2i can actually imagine your dad trying to decipher your l33t speak down the phone to him21:31
lcuk2in the end he will give up and call you downstairs for breakfast21:31
javispedroxnt14: if you're minor, just mail a government official with random insults? 100% guaranteed they'll eventually call your father after torturing you21:31
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xnt14lcuk, I don't speak leetspeak.....21:32
xnt14luke-jr, curl? will that work?21:32
Luke-Jrxnt14: doubt it21:33
Luke-JrGoogle wants to prevent i21:33
johnsqslonopotamus: arm qemu working? I compiled it on amd64 without problem static21:33
xnt14don't kill me b/c its ff, but
xnt14im dissecting it21:33
slonopotamusjohnsq, it doesn't link21:33
slonopotamusjohnsq, i strictly followed your instructions21:33
javispedrowaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaah waaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaah21:34
slonopotamusjohnsq, can you upload static binary somewhere?21:34
lcuk2xnt14, pssst, if you rename the xpi file to .zip i think it extracts ;)21:34
xnt14wait if google blocked it, then how does dialcentral work?21:34
johnsqslonopotamus: gcc version 4.3.3 (Gentoo 4.3.3-r2 p1.2, pie-10.1.5), yes i can21:34
lcuk2and they left the source codes in there :O dont tell anyone21:34
xnt14lcuk2, I know, i've been dissecting xpi's for a while21:34
johnsqI must first rebuild it, haven't stored the USE=static21:35
slonopotamusjohnsq, it is in your chroot!21:36
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johnsqslonopotamus: there is still the 32 bit version21:36
slonopotamusjohnsq, does it matter?21:36
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xnt14"                        txtr.setRequestHeader('Referer', '');21:37
johnsqslonopotamus: don't know, if i need for static 32bit bins an emulator21:37
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RST38hAnd now, our usual quiz21:40
slonopotamusjohnsq, hnx21:40
RST38h"Omar, 28, describes weeping as a teenager when told that Al Qaeda needed his pet dogs to conduct chemical warfare tests."21:40
RST38hGuess who Omar is21:40
johnsqslonopotamus: good that i wrote the howto, i could use it again.21:40
xnt14WTF, I HATE WEATHER.COM, obnoxious flash ads.......21:41
slonopotamusjohnsq, yep. memory likes to do various tricks  to us. better log everything :)21:41
xnt14[xnt14]>(0.0)=(:)-{====>*( ads)*21:44
xnt14burn ads!!!!!!!21:45
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RST38hWhy not use AdBlock+?21:45
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* xnt14 hates epiphany21:46
xnt14im on my debian box21:46
xnt14my xps is at work21:46
xnt14rss ftw!21:46
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xnt14that did not just have my areacode in it...................................21:49
* xnt14 's brain is thinking too much gvoice xD21:49
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* xnt14 wishes that gvoice was open source............21:50
* javispedro wishes open voice was avalaible worldwide..............21:50
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RST38hlooks good, probably worth buying21:53
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xnt14i personally hate most chinese interfaces21:54
xnt14no usability......21:54
RST38hah, that is what we have Ukrainians for21:55
xnt14IE FAIL:
RST38hthey rewrite the firmware for these ebooks and resell them21:55
xnt14it would probably be worse then ie21:55
xnt14RST38H, yeah.....21:56
xnt14"Gazelle breaks individual page elements into different processes21:56
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xnt14page elements?21:56
RST38h> ah, that is what we have Ukrainians for22:00
RST38h<xnt14> IE FAIL:22:00
RST38hshit, I hate Linux copy&paste22:00
slonopotamusRST38h, fix it and stop moaning22:00
xnt14i would be more happy with chrome than ie.....22:01
xnt14and then I would have 490 people calling me to help them install ie on there chrome os........22:02
javispedroso they admit they're having an "evil" moment...22:02
javispedrothe problem with hildonization is unhildonization22:04
javispedroor, in this case, de-sugarization22:04
ShadowJKI heard eric schmidt on the radio. He said they only consider the evil bit if an employee brings it up22:05
Macerthis atom is a lot hotter than promised22:05
ShadowJKnot exactly in those words, but yeah22:05
MacerShadowJK: were you the one talking about the touchbook vaporware?22:06
ShadowJKMacer, well, the cheap atoms eat 4W or 8W, and are coupled with a northbridge chipset eating 22W22:06
ShadowJKMacer, talking? well I want one?22:06
Macerwell. that explains it22:06
MacerShadowJK: i pre-ordered one :)22:06
Macerthey "are supposed to ship this month"22:06
ShadowJKI think I said I'll be waiting for it to exit the vaporware phase :)22:06
Macerlike they were in june22:06
Macerand may22:06
Macerso maybe this is the month!22:07
ShadowJKaround christmas they were saying "early summer"22:07
Macerwell. i guess it's mid summer22:07
ShadowJKThey might even have said 2009, but I'm not sure22:07
Macerwell. we shall see. i already have mine on order22:07
Maceri'll let you know if it ever gets here22:07
Maceri thought it was funny because the 3d demo they used22:07
Macerwas running angstrom :)22:08
ShadowJKYeah, they're basing their "revolutionary OS" on angstrom22:08
Macermandriva it says22:08
RST38hslonopotamus: I am choosing the easy way out: WinXP.22:08
Macerthe videos i saw run gnome when attached to the keyboard22:08
Macerand run some touch based stuff when detatched22:09
RST38hmoo ShadowJK22:09
Macerwhich acutally looks kind of nice but i'll judge it when i use it22:09
Macerit might wind up being another maemo22:09
* Macer grins22:09
slonopotamusRST38h, then still, stop moaning :) we'll laugh at you when m$ stops supporting xp22:09
ShadowJKsurely it'll be able to run mer :)22:09
MacerShadowJK: oh.. i'm sure22:09
Macerit can run a bunch of arm based distributions.. i was hoping that the arm opensolaris would be done some time soon22:10
Maceri'd love to run opensolaris on it22:10
Macerbut then again i'd also like to run debian just to encrypt the lvm during the install :)22:10
* RST38h isn't getting the reason for running solaris22:10
MacerRST38h: it's like runnign linux except you have zfs22:10
Macerthat was a horrible statement22:11
Macerdon't ever let anybody ever know i said that22:11
Maceronce you get past the learning curve it is pretty good22:11
javispedrolike finding & relearning "top" again :)22:11
Macerminus gnome :-\ what is it with people and using gnome?22:11
Macerlike instead of -d <seconds>22:11
ShadowJKI think I've had enough of sun :)22:11
Macerit's -s <seconds>22:11
RST38hI hope you are using OpenLook WM22:12
johnsqMacer: linux is only a clone of unix. this is why it is very equal22:12
* ShadowJK looks at his pile of Sun22:12
crashanddie_RST38h, solaris has a lot of advantages, opensolaris less so22:12
crashanddie_RST38h, one I use a whole lot: solaris zones22:12
MacerShadowJK: you have sparcs lying around?22:12
Macersend me a few :)22:12
RST38hcrashanddie: When I tried using it on x86 last time, it was slow22:12
crashanddie_RST38h, couldn't tell ya, only use solaris on sparc22:12
MacerRST38h: heh. it is not slow at all22:12
RST38hcrashanddie: Heard they have fixed it, but it lost relevance by then22:12
Macerer.. RST38h i mean22:12
Macerit's great22:13
RST38hcrashanddie: Yea, it is pretty nice on a SpARC :)22:13
ShadowJKSparcstation 5 with hypersparc CPU @ 233Mhz (iirc), 180-ish meg ram and two scsi disks (but one is dying). cgsix graphics.22:13
Macerplus it has just the right amount of complication that forces typical ubuntu linux users to stay away22:13
ShadowJKNetra T105, 384M ram, 400ish MHz CPU. Tripple NICs, two 9-ish gig harddrives.22:13
Macer"why can't i apt-get in OSOL??"22:13
crashanddie_just tell an ubuntu user about raw and cooked partitions, and they'll pull their hairs out22:13
MacerShadowJK: sounds like a beast22:14
ShadowJKSun Blade 150 (iirc), 1.5gig ram and 800-ish MHz CPU. Some wildcat-based CPU.22:14
Macercrashanddie_: i tell them to go back to ubuntu :)22:14
Macerhonestly i think gentoo is probably the best linux to use from a "learning" perspective22:14
crashanddie_disclaimer: I'm running ubuntu on my personal laptop22:14
Macerjust because of the install process haha.. it's horrible22:14
Macercrashanddie_: oh there's nothing wrong with ubuntu22:14
Macerit's just that you get a bunch of windows users that swap over because it is the easy one22:15
Macerand start asking stuff like "can i install ms office in ubuntu??"22:15
ShadowJKI run NetBSD on Netra and sparcstation. I ran Solaris first on the blade and tried to make pkgsrc work there, but it was kinda getting old working around Solaris peculiarities :)22:15
ShadowJKso I switched to FreeBSD on it22:15
javispedrobeat this:   wc -l /proc/cpuinfo    ....  230422:15
RST38hCheertek 909K, 64M ram, 2x175MHz CPU, DVD drive22:15
Macerfbsd 7.1 has zfs22:15
Macerwhich is nice22:15
Macertoo bad i ditched linux and fbsd for opensolaris just because the lack of a good fs22:16
RST38hFaster than SPARC5 too =)22:16
Macerufs and ext have hard times dealing with large volumes22:16
Macerhonestly i don't even know why i installed opensolaris on my artigo (C7 1GHz w/1GB)22:17
Maceri think i did it just for testing purposes to see if it would work and just left it there22:17
ShadowJKi used to run xfs22:17
Macerxfs was supposed to be ok but i never used it22:17
Maceri know trying to partition and format an 8TB raid was a pain with anything other than zfs22:18
RST38hOk, back to work.22:18
MacerRST38h: yeah right22:18
Macerwe all know you're unemployed22:18
Maceryou can't count looking for a new job as "work"22:18
RST38hYes, was just going out to visit a dumpster22:18
Macerok then never mind22:18
RST38hPeople find real good stuff there22:18
Maceri guess that qualifies22:19
RST38hFor example: Cops Dumpster Dive For Dead Maid22:19
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Maceryou're making me want to watch hackers22:20
Macerfrom the technical standpoint it was idiotic but it was still rather entertaining22:20
Macera ceo being told by a network admin to be called plague hahaha22:21
Macerand the best part was the jacob's ladder producing gibson22:21
Macerwith its 3D os22:21
locutusi still love the line from Jurrasic Parc22:22
locutus"I KNOW THIS, IT IS UNIX"22:22
locutus(nevermind that the machine you actually see in the movie is not a UNIX machine)22:22
Maceryeah that was pretty comical too22:22
Macerdamn i hope this touch book like ships this week or something22:23
Macerthat would be so great22:23
javispedroyou're still on that dream22:23
Maceryeah :-\22:23
* ShadowJK has little faith in RAID22:23
ShadowJKthe recent seagate firmware fubar was a real killer of RAIDs :)22:24
MacerShadowJK: yeah i saw that haha22:25
Macerthat was pretty bad22:25
Macerthey said it was firmware22:25
Maceri've honestly never updated hard drive firmware before :)22:25
Macerthey said you can "update your hard drive firmware"22:25
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ShadowJKit's actually in the SATA/ATA spec :)22:26
javispedroit's a common euphemism for "you delete all your data and just hope it never happens again"22:26
Macerjavispedro: yeah22:26
Macerhahhaha.. that's wha ti meant22:26
Maceri wonder if they even said "try to get what you can off the drive now!!"22:26
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Macerthat is somethign i'd expect from maxtor22:27
Macerwait a second... did seagate buy maxtor?22:27
Macerthere you go22:27
javispedroyes, effectively merging my ex-most beloved hdd maker and my most hated hdd maker22:27
Macercase closed :)22:27
Maceri will bet anybody here money that the tainted hard drives came from a maxtor plant :)22:27
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ShadowJKharddrives these days have dual ARM CPUs :)22:28
javispedroooh... Mer for HDDs? :D22:29
Luke-JrShadowJK: seriously?22:29
Macerjust use an omap3 with the gpu attached to a hd22:30
StskeepsShadowJK: "using a raid to crack DES"22:30
Stskeeps(with no cpu usage on the computer)22:30
Macerare there any cell based user grade servers around?22:31
ShadowJKLuke-Jr, yes22:31
Macerthe only one i saw was like... an ibm server that was $10K22:31
suihkulokkiif you have a real hw raid controller, it too usually has a ARM cpu :)22:31
StskeepsMacer: playstation 3? :P22:31
MacerStskeeps: they limit the access to the hardware22:31
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Macerwhich realistically.. the ps3 would go as fast as the $10K ibm server22:31
Macerso i guess i can see why :)22:32
Macersuihkulokki: mine has an intel cpu22:32
Macer(i think)22:32
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suihkulokkiMacer: which one?22:32
Luke-JrMacer: I think someone has a Cell laptop22:32
Macerareca arc112022:32
MacerLuke-Jr: lol22:33
Macertouchbook is using cell now instead of arm? :)22:33
* Macer goes to preorder another oen22:33
Macerwtf.. O N E22:33
javispedroyou see22:33
MacerLuke-Jr: i already preordered a touch book22:33
javispedrowhen I've spent half of my life typing "mysql"22:33
javispedroeverytime I try to type mysqlf I type mysqlf22:33
Macerit gives me something else to yearn for other than the cigarettes i haven't smoked in 3 days22:34
infobotjavispedro meant: everytime I try to type myself I type mysqlf22:34
javispedrowhich is pretty lame22:34
Luke-JrMacer: FAIL22:34
Macer:) i'd have gotten that one22:34
Macerscrwe it. i have money. i'll just have both22:34
Macerwith the macbook and the aspire one22:34
* Macer hordes all the laptops he can for armegeddon22:34
suihkulokkiMacer: that has intels IOP331, which is xscale-based :)22:35
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MacerLuke-Jr: that laptop22:37
Macerit has a core2duo AND the quad core cell?22:37
Macerthey make it sound like the cells are just co-processors22:37
suihkulokkiMacer: IOP331 is supported by linux, and some of those pins of the areca are most likely a serial port ;)22:37
Macersuihkulokki: heh.. so i should start using it as another core?22:38
MacerThrough the addition of the TOSHIBA Quad Core HD Processor, along with the combined strength of Intel's latest Core(TM) 2 Duo processor(1) technology and the NVIDIA GeForce(R) 9600M(2) GT graphics card, tasks that once took hours to complete now are accomplished in a fraction of the time with Toshiba's Qosmio(R) G55-Q802 laptop PC.22:38
Macerwow that is a beast :)22:39
Macerhave to hand it to toshiba on that one. they are making something worth the $130022:39
Maceras long as it works the way it is supposed to22:39
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Maceroh. the one with teh cells costs 155022:43
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Luke-JrMacer: cells *are* just co-processors22:49
Macerdamn. i didn't think about that22:50
Macerps3's main cpu is like.. a ppc or something isn't it?22:50
johnsqdual core22:51
xnt14brb - going to mow the lawn22:51
Macerdoesn't linux run like crap on it?22:51
xnt14not exactly22:51
Macerit's like running it in a vm isn't it?22:51
xnt14its like linux with no 3d acceleration22:51
xnt14no gpu access22:52
Luke-JrMacer: if you run Linux in a VM, yes22:52
Macerwhy not?22:52
Luke-JrMacer: Sony's official Linux support is only in their VM22:52
Macerit literally uses a vm? :)22:52
xnt14technically it runs linux in a hypervisor22:52
Luke-JrSony doesn't support running Linux on the raw machine22:52
xnt14but it doesn't feel like a vm22:52
Macerwell.. that sucks haha22:52
xnt14i own a ps322:52
xnt14gentoo runs fine on mine22:52
xnt14ok guys brb, going to mow the lawn22:53
Maceri doubt there is any stuff that is well optimized for usin ga cell anyways22:53
Macertoshiba listed uleads dvd somethinganother22:53
Luke-JrI think someone started on a Cell software 3D engine22:53
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practisevoodoo__i cant set my scripts to be executable, chmod isnt doing anything, anyone got any ideas?23:29
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lcuk2practisevoodoo__, yeah, the memory card is fat and set to noexec23:36
lcuk2put stuff in a locaiton on filesystem that can be executed from23:36
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practisevoodoo__grrrr, stupid memory card23:49
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