IRC log of #maemo for Thursday, 2009-07-02

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Maceri have to windex it off and take pictures of it00:00
Maceri have a clear cover on it so once i take it off it will look brand new on the outside00:00
Maceri want to get a netbook instead00:00
Macerthis thing has gotten on my last nerve00:00
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tds5016hello all. can someone tell me where files go when you place them on the n800?00:45
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tds5016I don't know where it mounts when you connect over usb.00:45
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Macerdamn vbox runs great00:48
Maceri sure wish i had a cpu that supported virtualization :)00:48
Macerguess that will have to wait for the next system00:49
jaemhey folks00:49
jaemdoes anybody here know much about Python && Maemo 4?00:49
tds5016anyone able to help me out?00:51
tds5016jaem depends on what you need.00:51
jaemtds5016: I was following an example on the forums to make a simple Home Widget00:51
tds5016yeah, I'm out ;-) haha.00:51
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jaemokay, thanks anyhow00:52
jaemI'm still learning Python, so it might be something stupid on my part00:52
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tds5016I can take a look at the python, I'm not an expert in the language, but I can spot something obvious.00:52
jaemsure, thanks00:52
tds5016I just can't promise I'll be able to tell what's going on with the OS. ;-)00:53
jaemone sec, and I'll Pastebin it00:53
tds5016good news00:53
jaemI was probably in a bit over my head, just reading the GTK docs and essentially translating a really basic PyQt widget for a different platform into something for Maemo, so it probably is my fault00:54
tds5016hmm, pygtk is certainly a different beast ;-)00:55
jaemyes - it looked simple enough00:56
tds5016you wouldn't happen to know where the damned file system is mounted when you plug into a pc?00:56
jaemwhich filesystem?00:56
tds5016(more specifically a mac, but it shouldn't make a difference. haha)00:56
tds5016I wanna know where files go on the n800 when you plug in the n800 to the pc.00:57
jaemwell, it should show up as two mass-storage devices00:57
jaemcorresponding to your two SD cards00:57
qwerty12_N810tds5016: The N800 unmounts the cards from the device when you plug in the cable.00:57
jaemat least, that's how it works on the N81000:57
jaemqwerty12_N810: thanks for pointing that out00:57
tds5016thanks. how exactly do I find the files.00:58
tds5016I tossed a python file on it, and I need to run it ;-)00:58
jaemthat reminds me - can one just mount the onboard jffs2 rootfs normally, or is there a special procedure?00:58
jaemtds5016: /media/mmc1 or mmc200:58
tds5016yeah, no dice :-/.00:59
tds5016the n800 doesn't have bluetooth?00:59
jaemwhat's in /media00:59
jaemit does00:59
tds5016mmc1 & mmc200:59
jaemtds5016: is your N800 new?00:59
jaemand the file isn't in there?00:59
tds5016the file's not there.01:00
qwerty12_N810jaem: you can mount it from initfs or an mmc booted system but my efforts in  getting the node exported over usb via g_file_storage amounted to shit-all :/01:00
lbttds5016: is the back cover on01:00
lbtand is the little flap closed01:00
jaemqwerty12_N810: I just need to pull my python files off of it01:00
jaemwhich node is it again?01:01
tds5016what flap?01:01
jaemlbt: yep01:01
qwerty12_N810jaem: /dev/mtdblock401:01
lbtat the bottom under the handle is a flap for the external mmc01:01
jaemqwerty12_N810: any switches?  -t?  That's what I tried before01:01
qwerty12_N810jaem: -t jffs2 :)01:01
tds5016yeah, n80001:02
lbtso tds5016 is that flap closed?01:02
tds5016I just snapped something off of it. hahaha! I hope that didn't rbeak it.01:02
jaemqwerty12_N810: why is it that the switches aren't always needed on some systems?01:02
tds5016lbt: the big flap on the back, yes.01:02
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lbtand the one that's covered up when you shut the handle/stand01:03
tds5016now it showed up randomly...01:03
qwerty12_N810jaem: /etc/fstab entries afaik01:03
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jaemwell, it worked now01:03
jaem...after /me remembered to actually make sure the mount point *existed*01:03
lbtthere are magnets that detect that the covers are closed and unmount the mmc cards .... ask me how long I spent...01:03
jaemlbt: so that's how they do it...01:04
jaemon the N810 too?01:04
jaemthe magnets, that is01:04
lbtI guess so.... ask qwerty12_N81001:04
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jaemgah... K3B is much too triumphant when it burns a disc successfully01:05
jaemit could do with less fanfare01:05
tds5016does the n800 not come with a gps?01:06
jaemtds5016: nope01:06
jaemthat came in the N81001:06
jaemalthough you're not missing much - the internal gps isn't very good01:06
tds5016yeah, I have an n810 too.01:06
tds5016I'm trying to write the program to work on both.01:06
tds5016how do I get to the bluetooth on the n800?01:07
jaemtds5016: I would think that a BT gps unit would work with the gpsd the same way01:07
jaemsee ^01:07
tds5016I've got a bluetooth gps ;-)01:07
jaemthen pair it01:07
tds5016haha, I need to figure out how to access the bluetooth on the n800 to pair it.01:07
jaemI haven't tried, but I don't think it's terribly difficult01:07
tds5016ont he n810 it's in the connection settings :-/.01:07
jaemalso, minigpsd is better01:07
jaemoh, that's what you mean01:08
qwerty12_N810tds5016: Control Panel -> GPS Location01:08
tds5016minigpsd? I'm just using python's pygpsbt ;-)01:08
jaemtds5016: I meant the system daemon01:08
jaemnot the module to access gps functions01:08
tds5016oh, gotchya ;-)01:08
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z4chhanyone know package i can install to get iwlib.h? didn't have much to say :|01:09
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tds5016oh, how I don't wanna try to get them to buy more gps devices. haha.01:09
auntieNeothe maemo sdk installer is pretty bad... if it fails to download one of its thousands of packages, you have to start all over :(01:09
jaemauntieNeo: I know - I'm not a fan01:10
qwerty12_N810z4chh: libiw-dev01:10
z4chhsweet thanks qwerty01:11
tds5016many thanks guys!01:11
auntieNeowhy can't they just use a tarball? as far as I can tell, it's just extracting them <_<01:11
jaemcompletely OT, but has anybody seen a website where you can submit a photo of an unidentifiable object so the Internets can tell you what it is?01:11
jaemI have something really strange that a friend gave me as a gag gift, just to confuse me01:11
auntieNeoor 4chan? ;P01:12
jaemauntieNeo: I stay away from 4chan01:12
jaembut that is still a valid suggestion, I suppose01:12
auntieNeoI was mostly kidding :P01:12
auntieNeoyou could always try it though01:12
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jaemis there an actual reference for the hildon-desktop python bindings anywhere?01:20
jaemI couldn't find one01:20
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tds5016the other thing...01:24
tds5016the n800 camera deal...01:24
tds5016it's stupid as all hell...01:25
tds5016it flips around, but makes everything upside down. haha.01:25
tds5016I don't want to have to account for that. the n8100 will KEEP everything upside down fi you physically flip the device too. if it's smart enough to do that, I shouldn't have to account for it in my software. haha.01:25
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jaem_afktds5016: that would make things too easy ;)01:26
jaem_afkwhat are you coding?01:26
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tds5016video streaming stuff... it's a little more involved, and I'm not allowed to get that detailed :-/.01:26
jaem_afk*raises eyebrow*01:27
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tds5016the other thing that is getting really old... the folks in the network operations center that are telling me that the ports I need open are opened.01:28
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tds5016they got ONE of the ten I actually need opened opened.01:28
jaem_afkwhere are you working?01:28
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tds5016Penn State at the moment.01:28
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tds5016I'm in a research department here that is funded by ARL and a couple of larger companies.01:29
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tds5016In about a month or so, I'm going to Cali to work for Cisco though. haha.01:29
tds5016but I like it here, I'm going to miss the environment of working at a research university.01:30
* jaem_afk nods01:30
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tds5016I've only been outa school for about a few months, and I already miss undergrad!01:30
* tds5016 is done being off topic. haha.01:31
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Proteoustopics, we don't need no stinking topics01:33
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tds5016haha, good call.01:34
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veganmanI've just inserted a memory stick in my n810, how to foramt it?01:54
veganmanor should I say partition01:54
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jaem_afkveganman: it's probably easier to do it from your PC01:56
jaem_afkbut if you want, you can use the mkfs.vfat command in the console (I'm not sure if it's installed by default)01:56
jaem_afkwhatever you do, you'll probably want to format it FAT32, for interoperability with Windows01:57
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Maikuis it possible to use the bootmenu to have items for the same partition, but multiple kernels?01:59
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veganmanI'm sorry I don't have windows...02:01
veganmannor I have a memory stick reader on my peecee02:02
veganmanI would have to do it from the nokia02:02
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GAN8001andre__, formfactor changes, endless delays, all of the unfulfilled promises.02:14
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jaem_afkveganman: sorry, I have to run - someone else should be able to help you, though, if you stick around02:20
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veganmansorry, if I don't own windows02:21
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auntieNeookay, so I've got this maemo sandbox running... where does maemo store Images and Documents and crap?02:22
auntieNeounder the sandbox hiarchy02:22
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auntieNeouh, there's a bunch of hidden folders under MyDocs, like .images, but I've put files in there and they don't show up in the maemo gui02:27
auntieNeomaybe the sandbox just doesn't work like it does natively :/02:28
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auntieNeoyes, that :P02:32
auntieNeoI got confused02:33
GeneralAntillesBut, no, I can't help.02:33
auntieNeoit is a type of sandbox02:33
GeneralAntillesHaven't really used scratchbox before02:33
auntieNeolol, it's okay :P02:33
GeneralAntillesOne a cat might utilize.02:33
GeneralAntillesWhich is an apt comparison.02:33
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tds5016anyone know of a simple python api for interfacing with jabber?02:49
auntieNeowooo, my app works in sandbox with NO effort on my part :D02:53
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auntieNeowell, it's not even my app either :P02:53
auntieNeo<3 open source02:53
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tds5016crashanddie: is pyjabber available on maemo?02:57
tds5016anyone able to point me in a direction for writing a messaging app on maemo?02:58
tds5016I technically need to write a messaging add-in to a current project I'm working on. haha.02:59
auntieNeoheh, what do you mean, messaging app?03:00
Robot101tds5016: use telepathy, its the built-in messaging framework03:01
Robot101tds5016: telepathy has python bindings already03:01
tds5016Robot101: will that allow me to write a custom interface?03:01
tds5016and send messages back and forth secrurely?03:01
Robot101user interface? yes03:01
Robot101securely, between you and the server, yes...03:02
tds5016I bassically already have an application written in python, I need to add messaging support to it.03:02
tds5016Robot101 are there some docs or tutorials you could point me at to get me started?03:02
tds5016sounds like exactly what I need.03:02
Robot101tds5016: telepathy-python has examples in -;a=tree;f=examples;h=d52252093afecdd2d5dc9a11ab99f4fce5e3293c;hb=HEAD03:03
tds5016Robot101: do I need to install anything on my devices?03:03
tds5016aka the libraries, etc. are already there?03:04
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Robot101I don't know if anyone packaged the python bindings for maemo03:04
Robot101maybe someone did03:04
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tds5016can't find telepathy-python :-/.03:07
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tds5016also, if I use telepathy, do I need to set up a telepathy server?03:09
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Robot101what do you mean a server?03:10
Robot101the telepathy XMPP backend connects to normal XMPP servers03:10
tds5016where are messages being sent/to?03:11
tds5016sorry, I don't understand messaging protocols all that well :-/.03:11
Robot101you sign in to an XMPP account on an XMPP server, like GTalk is an XMPP server03:11
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tds5016okay, would I need to set up an xmpp server?03:12
tds5016or... COULD I set up an xmpp server?03:12
tds5016honestly, the ideal situation would be if I could just use jabber, because we already have the server set up and running.03:13
Robot101you wouldn't, you can use gmail, or, or there are loads more free ones03:13
Robot101XMPP *is* jabber03:13
tds5016oh, gotchya :-)03:13
tds5016(off topic, but I'm seeing a lot of information about libpurple03:14
auntieNeommm... my app segfaults when it calls opendir() :/03:14
Robot101tds5016: telepathy-haze uses libpurple to connect to the protocols which telepathy doesn't support natively03:15
Robot101tds5016: but telepathy has its own eg XMPP, SIP, link-local XMPP (bonjour/rendezvous), IRC and MSN backends which have more functionality03:15
tds5016hmm, could I just go straight to python-purple, because it looks like it's actually already packaged for the maemo03:15
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auntieNeowoah, why the heck does this thing call ntp_gettime()? :s03:17
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tds5016Robot101: thanks for your help! I'll probably be back tomorrow bugging you for help. haha.03:19
tds5016I've gotta get home. it's 8:30, and my workday was over at 5. haha.03:19
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auntieNeodo you have to access files in a different way with maemo? it seems that I always segfault when I try to do anything to do with files03:25
auntieNeoactually, sometimes it segfaults...03:25
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auntieNeobut other times __fsetlocking() aborts03:25
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susanI downloaded maemo virtual sdk and Esbox_2.0.0-M4.Howerver,there is no maemo when i open Esbox03:39
auntieNeoum, you have to run a command to start the maemo gui...03:41
auntieNeowhich I forgot :P03:42 start03:42
auntieNeois the command :P03:42
auntieNeoyou have to run it from inside scratchbox03:42
auntieNeobut uh, you have to be running an x server as well... you should read the documentation :P03:43
auntieNeoI'm not using eclipse, so I wouldn't know03:44
susanwhere to run command to start  the maemo gui.03:48
susanI am in windows03:48
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susanThe Esbox is as same as it right?03:49
susanAll i downloaded is the virtural sdk image and Esbox.03:49
auntieNeouh, with windows I'm not very sure03:50
susanNot at all03:51
auntieNeowow, the documentation is very Linux specific...03:51
auntieNeois it even possible to run maemo in windows? the way scratchbox works, I doubt it :s03:51
auntieNeosusan: i think you need to get a VM and run ubuntu or something03:52
auntieNeosusan: virtual box is free03:52
auntieNeoand uh, vmware player03:52
susani am runing in vmplayer03:52
susani use command vmplayer *.vmx03:52
susanit will start vitual machine.03:53
auntieNeosome one posted a vmware image a while back... hold on, I have to look in my logs :P03:53
auntieNeo01:44 < X-Fade> auntieNeo:
auntieNeo01:45 < X-Fade> auntieNeo: Or better
susanyeah,i downloaded from this url.03:55
auntieNeoit's not working?03:55
susanNo,the Esbox is not working03:55
susanthe virtual sdk image is working normolly03:56
susanThe Esbox is like eclipse.03:56
auntieNeotry running "/scratchbox/login" from a command prompt03:57
susani can run it03:57
auntieNeoalso, check this out if you haven't yet:
Luke-Jrvmware is not free03:57
auntieNeoLuke-Jr: the player is free as in beer03:57
Luke-JrauntieNeo: that's "gratis", not free03:58
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auntieNeoit is indeed free ;P03:58
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auntieNeoby certain definitions03:58
Luke-Jrit's *free of charge*03:58
auntieNeodude, I'll pumel you03:58
Luke-Jraka gratis03:58
Luke-Jryou're abusing the English language03:58
auntieNeono, you are03:58
Luke-Jrno u03:58
auntieNeogratis is spanish03:58
Luke-Jrgratis is English too03:58
Luke-Jr"free" != "free of charge"03:58
auntieNeosusan: just follow that guide, but skip down to section 3.4, because you don't need to install the SDK I assume03:59
Luke-Jrlanguage abuser!03:59
auntieNeoadj 1: able to act at will; not hampered; not under compulsion or restraint; "free enterprise"; "a free port"; "a free country"; "I have an hour free"; "free will"; "free of racism"; "feel free to stay as long as you wish"; "a free choice" [ant: unfree]03:59
susani just want to have a IDE environment.03:59
auntieNeo3: costing nothing; "complimentary tickets" [syn: complimentary, costless, gratis(p), gratuitous]03:59
Luke-Jrlanguage abuser!04:00
auntieNeosusan: pfffft, IDE's are for the weak ;P04:00
* auntieNeo puts Luke-Jr in the corner with RMS :(04:00
auntieNeofor the record, I don't use vmware myself. I use qemu.04:00
auntieNeovmware is a binary blob04:00
auntieNeoI do not trust it04:00
Luke-Jrno wai, RMS compromises!04:01
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auntieNeoRMS gives free software a bad name by being a bitch :(04:01
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auntieNeodoes anyone in here use eclipse?04:02
auntieNeoI tried it once, but it's still loading...04:02
susani am newbie.i think it will be very complex without eclipse.04:03
susanNow i just want to use eclipse.04:04
auntieNeono. IDE's always make things harder than they need to be. If you don't know how it works, what do you do when the IDE fails? :(04:04
auntieNeoIDE's are a convenience, but shouldn't be a crutch04:04
GeneralAntillesLike goes with like.04:04
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susanyeah,all you do can be completed with command.04:05
auntieNeosusan: use that guide and start from section 3.4... it's all layed out so even a newbie can do it04:05
auntieNeoit tells you what editor to use and how to list files and everything04:05
susani think it is a challenge04:05
auntieNeoDO I DETECT A CHALLENGE?! :>04:06
auntieNeoI love challenges, myself04:06
susanthanks.i have another question.04:06
susando you know how to add chinese support.04:06
auntieNeoyeah, I do... hold on...04:07
susani want to let GtkWiget displaying chinese fonts04:07
auntieNeowait, did you ask this before?04:07
susani can't success now04:07
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auntieNeoI don't think it works for scratchbox though04:08
auntieNeoit's easier to test it on a device afterwards04:08
susanyeah,this is the chinese support,but i can't open browser to link it04:08
auntieNeoI myself am writting an app that uses chinese fonts... but I probably won't bother installing fonts until I have a device to test it with04:09
susanyeah, i think it should install fonts04:09
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susanthe fonts is a file with .install to install it.04:10
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auntieNeoI'm trying to figure that out myself04:11
auntieNeo  # that's one of the install files, but I can't figure out where the debs are stored...04:11
auntieNeohelp? :P04:12
GeneralAntilles.installs point to packages in repositories04:12
GeneralAntillesThe .install should have the repo URL04:12
auntieNeoso, I guess you have to configure your package manager for that repo...04:12
GeneralAntillesThe .install does that for you04:12
auntieNeo<-- not a debian person :P04:13
GeneralAntillesWith Application Manager anyway04:13
auntieNeoit won't if you can't open it xD04:13
susanthe problem i have is the same as autieNeo.04:14
susani can't use url to install04:14
auntieNeoGeneralAntilles: this is in a scratchbox04:14
auntieNeois there a command? :P04:14
* auntieNeo reads the ubuntu documentation :P04:16
* GeneralAntilles is handicapped by peanutbutter fingers04:17
auntieNeommm... this won't work with x8604:19
GeneralAntillesNo x86 binaries04:19
GeneralAntillesBuild your own, I guess.04:19
auntieNeoI'm lazy :P04:19
auntieNeowell, we can still use the fonts04:20
auntieNeowe probably won't need the input methods just yet04:20
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auntieNeosusan: okay, enter these commands, then try it:04:24
auntieNeowget ''04:25
auntieNeodpkg -i ttf-baekmuk_2.2-1maemo2_all.deb04:25
auntieNeo...and then it might work. I haven't tested it myself though, because my app doesn't work yet :P04:25
auntieNeono problem04:25
susanmaybe it will work04:25
auntieNeoI hope it does :P04:26
auntieNeoit's just a font04:26
susanyeah i think i should install fonts04:26
auntieNeooh, and you run those from inside sbox, of course04:27
susani can install the fonts,but i don't konw whether it works properly.04:30
susanNow i don't install xserver-xephyr.04:30
susani used command apt-get install xserver-xephyr in sbox and failed04:31
susanit prompt "Couldn't find package xserver-xephyr04:31
susanmaybe i should update source.list.04:32
susanany idea? auntieNeo.04:33
auntieNeono, xephyr is not part of sbox, but is used on the side04:33
auntieNeoxephyr is an X server that lets you view what's happening in sbox04:33
auntieNeoit's confusing if you haven't used linux before :/04:33
susanyeah.but i can't install it successfully04:33
susani know little about it04:34
auntieNeobut in a regular command prompt, you're supposed to run  Xephyr :2 -host-cursor -screen 800x480x16 -dpi 96 -ac  \04:34
auntieNeoit should be installed on your vmware image already04:35
susanok,wait a sec.i try it04:35
susanyeah,it is not be installed now.04:35
auntieNeoreally? :s04:36
susanhow to install it.04:36
susani can't run command xephyr04:36
auntieNeodid you do a captial X? Xypher?04:36
auntieNeoxephyr and Xypher are different commands04:36
susanyeah, i run Xephyr04:36
susanthere is no Xephyr04:37
auntieNeohold on04:37
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auntieNeodoes your prompt look like user@system:~$  ? because you can't install Xephyr inside of an sbox prompt04:39
auntieNeothe install command would be apt-get install xserver-xephyr...04:39
auntieNeobut you can't do it in sbox04:40
auntieNeoyou do it in ubuntu04:40
susani can't do it in sbox04:41
auntieNeodon't do it in sbox04:41
susanyeah.maybe i should do it in ubuntu04:41
auntieNeodo it in ubuntu04:41
auntieNeoXephyr is like, a window looking into sbox04:42
auntieNeoit makes no sense to put it inside of sbox :P04:42
auntieNeoI got Japanese fonts to work :D04:43
auntieNeobut, they don't work with the title bar... only inside the windows do they work :(04:43
susanit failed again and prompt Unable to fetch some archives,maybe run apt-get update or try with --fix-missing?04:45
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auntieNeowhat failed?04:46
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susanunable find some archives.04:46
auntieNeofor xephyr?04:46
auntieNeoyou should try the Xephyr command before trying to install it04:46
auntieNeothe image should have Xephyr by default04:47
auntieNeoit comes with x.org04:47
auntieNeois it there? :(04:47
susanmaybe it has been installed.04:47
auntieNeodo this command04:48
auntieNeoXephyr :2 -host-cursor -screen 800x480x16 -dpi 96 -ac  \  -extension Composite04:48
auntieNeoand then, inside of sbox:04:48
auntieNeo[sbox-DIABLO_X86: ~] > export DISPLAY=:204:48
susanwhen i run Xephyr,it prompt "Xephyr:error while loading shared't open object file:No such file or directory"04:48
auntieNeommmm :/04:49
auntieNeosusan: are you using the vmware image?04:51
susanit prompt "can't open shared object file"04:51
auntieNeoI can't imagine it would be broken like that04:51
susani use file "maemosdk_gutsy-10-07.vmdk"04:52
susanit is used widely.04:52
susanNow i am in windows04:53
auntieNeoI don't understand how ESbox is supposed to work04:54
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auntieNeo   # I assume you've seen this, right?04:57
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susanauntieNeo.Xserver seems not to be installed when i use apt-get install xserver and it prompt "Unmet dependencies"04:57
auntieNeohold on, I'm going to run that VM and see for myself :P04:58
susanit seems that there is a lot of package that need to be installed04:58
susanthank you auntieNeo.04:58
auntieNeoaccording to the ESbox documentation, you need to install cygwin under c:\cygwin04:59
susanok,i try it.05:00
susanis there version requirement for cywin?05:00
auntieNeothe documentation doesn't say anything05:01
auntieNeojust get the latest one05:01
auntieNeoit's just for an X server05:01
susanwhere is the Esbox documentation?05:02
auntieNeoit's big and confusing :(05:02
susani can't understand clearly05:03
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susanautieNeo:thank you very much.05:06
auntieNeosusan: uh, after you install cygwin with X, and once you have that VM running...05:07
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auntieNeosusan: you go to the ESbox menu and go ESbox > Build Machines05:07
auntieNeoand I think you can configure your VM once you get there05:08
auntieNeothis is in windows, running eclipse05:08
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auntieNeoI got CJK to work. I just had to restart Xephyr for the fonts to work.05:18
auntieNeothis font isn't very good, but it works05:18
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sneakretWhat's the secret incantation to install perlmagick in Diablo?05:38
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sneakretHmmm... I think I'm in a bad state...05:41
sneakretThe following packages have unmet dependencies: perl: Depends: perl-base (= 5.8.3-3osso7) but 5.8.3-3osso9 is to be installed05:41
sneakretE: Broken packages05:41
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caoticdoes anyone knows why when using vncviewer from the n810 all the text input from the keyboard hets duplicate,  I type "hi", I get "hhii"06:27
auntieNeosometimes vnc does that :s06:30
caotic but always ? :(06:34
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Luke-Jrcaotic: keyboard repeat07:13
Luke-Jrit thinks you're holding down the key due to network delays07:14
Luke-Jrcaotic: x11vnc server disables repeat when someone is connected..07:14
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caoticLuke-Jr: it does that by default ? since my server is x11vnc07:26
Luke-Jrmine does07:26
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sarowerhello.... who is daniel?07:38
sarowersaid me to ping you in IRC via forum!07:39
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sarowerDasajev: Hello Daniel07:51
saroweryou have replied my forum question....and said me to ping you here...!07:52
Dasajevno, it wasn't me :)07:52
sarowerOh i am sorry07:53
ukkisarower: i don't think he's here right now07:54
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sarowerit's ok... thank you very much07:55
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sarowerany way.. i need to build debian package of home area plug-in for internet tablet. Any help?07:56
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RST38hsarower: cd Conky; sh ./package08:14
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sarowerRST38h: but you code does not build....cause i am in maemo sdk 508:19
RST38huse sdk 408:19
Luke-Jrsarower: pfft SDK, I have Gentoo compiling stuff native on my N915 now08:20
RST38hsdk 5 is in beta and has no documented plugin api afaik08:20
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sarowerRST38h: right.....08:21
sarowerLuke-Jr: I could not get you08:21
sarowerN915 is the next internet tablet...?08:22
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Luke-Jrsarower: yeah, developer model08:23
sarowerLuke-Jr: oh... can I make build of applet for it....?08:25
sarowerLuke-Jr: Is there any guide...?08:25
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susan__When i started maemo sdk image and used command sudo,the shell will prompt "sudo: must be setuid root".08:32
susan__Some people come across the same situation?08:33
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susan__When i started maemo sdk image and used command sudo,the shell will prompt "sudo: must be setuid root".09:06
susan__When i started maemo sdk image and used command sudo,the shell will prompt "sudo: must be setuid root".09:06
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timeless_mbpfakeroot ?09:07
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susan__fakeroot is not working.09:12
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susan__In maemo virtual sdk,how to get root permissions09:15
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adeushmm, how do I send chars that require alt-gr to the Xephyr window?09:41
adeusit doesn't seemt o recognize it09:41
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RST38hHehe, Apple is trying to make Russian cell service providers to sell subsidized iPhones with a contract :)09:46
RST38hNot finding much love for this proposal though09:48
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JaffaMorning, all10:02
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aquatixmorning all10:08
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RST38hhey aquatix10:14
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pupnikne1 here working with clutter yet? actual demo apps>11:53
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timeless_mbpinternally we have one :)11:56
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RST38hpupnik: AFAIK you still can't use clutter in an application because hildon desktop uses it11:56
timeless_mbpi thought the resources of interest were GL and not Clutter11:58
RST38hIn any case, clutter appears to be an attempt to implement Flash graphics model with GObject-based API and OpenGL backend, so not sure how this stuff can be useful for anything11:58
timeless_mbpRST38h: well... the one app i've seen looks shiny11:58
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RST38hIf I need shiny, I will buy an iPhone.11:59
tlwhen i started maemo sdk image using vmplayer,why i can't connect to internet?11:59
timeless_mbpdid you check /sbin/ifconfig ?12:00
tli can't ping a familar url.12:00
tli don't know how to configure it.12:00
tlcheck what?12:00
pupnikthis is a googlable problem12:01
pupnikis this the resolv.conf problem?12:01
tli don't know.12:01
pupniktry a plain-jane linux or windows vmware image12:02
pupnikto test if your vmplayer networking setup is functional12:02
pupnikif that works, then the problem is narrowed down to the sdk12:02
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tlyou mean i must try a windows image at fist12:02
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tlNow i have no windows image.12:03
tlmaybe i should search using google.12:03
qwerty12_N810He said "linux or windows".12:03
pupnikthat was just one suggestion12:04
RST38hheya qwerty12:05
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qwerty12_N810Hey RST38h12:05
qwerty12_N810Also, by any chance, is the program using libconic or is this your generic app?12:05
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tli can't search using google,because i am not using static address.12:10
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MerkurAlexdoes anyone know if "ubuntu_9.04_n8x0-2.2_rootfs.tgz" got hosted somewhere else since maemobox went down?13:01
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timeless_mbpandre__: ping13:08
andre__timeless_mbp, pong13:08
timeless_mbpi mean installable13:08
timeless_mbpdid you try both?13:08
timeless_mbpoh fun13:09
andre__yeah, i tried both.13:09
andre__didn't find it13:09
MerkurAlexdid anyone see this yet?
timeless_mbpandre__: hrm13:11
timeless_mbpgo to application manager's log13:11
timeless_mbpdoes it show that it's reading my package list?13:11
till-MerkurAlex yea, quite old :)13:12
MerkurAlexhaha i have been so out of the maemo group lately13:12
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MerkurAlexI am a bit disappointed... i like the phone addition but its so... not IT-ish13:13
xnt14MerkurAlex, yeah, b-man has it but he is not here atm :/13:13
till-i want a xenon flash AND a video-led13:13
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xnt14Im not sure if he uploaded it to his domain13:13
MerkurAlexxnt14, ahh okay thanks13:13
xnt14ill check13:13
andre__timeless_mbp, no, does not show13:13
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xnt14I'm giving him hosting so I can give you a link :)13:13
xnt14nope he doesn't have it up13:14
MerkurAlexxnt14, cool! i was gonna offer if he didn't get new hosting :)13:15
MerkurAlexi am interested in seeing how ubuntu runs13:15
MerkurAlexplus i am gonna see if i can get blitzmax running or not...13:16
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adeushas anyone used gtk apis from a qt program?13:23
timeless_mbpyou don't really want to do that13:27
timeless_mbpmixing event loops is painful13:27
timeless_mbpso is sharing contexts13:27
timeless_mbpit's bad enough trying to get theme engines to cooperate13:27
timeless_mbp(they typically insist on crashing)13:27
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lbtadeus: gtk or glib?13:27
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adeuslbt, well right now I'm just trying to include gtk.h13:32
adeusthere's a api that I need to use13:33
adeusand it includes gtk.h13:33
lbtno? really?13:33
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lbtwhich one :)13:33
adeus <libosso-abook/osso-abook.h>13:33
lbtis that a dbus interface wrapper?13:34
adeusDescription: Library to access addressbook and presence information13:34
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lbtyou'll have a world of pain...13:36
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adeuswell any ideas how I access the addressbook from qt?13:37
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lbtX-Fade: ^^^  something growing in the fridge?13:37
adeusother than the berkeley db directly13:37
adeuswhich sounds even more painful13:38
X-Fadelbt: Yeah, just a test server.13:38
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lbtadeus: objectives make sense :)13:38
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timeless_mbpadeus: make a process of your own that speaks dbus and uses gtk13:38
timeless_mbphave that one talk to abook13:38
timeless_mbpthen talk to it using dbus13:38
lbttimeless_mbp beat me too it :)13:38
adeussounds like my 1 hour project turns into a week project13:39
lbtexactly what I was thinking13:39
aquatixthere's no such thing as a 1-hour project :)13:40
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adeusyes there is if it's just qt :)13:40
lbtadeus: true ;)13:41
adeusI have practically everything else ready13:41
aquatixis qt that limited then? ;)13:41
MerkurAlexanyone know anything about the price range the n900 will be in when it starts selling?13:41
lbtMerkurAlex: yes 0 < price < $10000000000013:41
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lbt(that is US $ btw)13:42
adeusnot zimbabwean dollars?13:42
lbtyou'll be lucky13:42
VDVsxA addressbook library depending on GTK o_0, strange decision :P13:42
lbtVDVsx: yes... bug report.... no dbus API13:42
lbthow do I do numbered bullets on the wiki13:43
lbtstupid wiki13:43
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qwerty12_N810lbt: #13:44
VDVsxlbt, #13:44
sarowerDaniel: how i can add more c files in the makefile to compile? where i have to give the input?13:44
lbtmutter... tried 1. 1   thanks guys13:44
aquatixlbt: #13:44
VDVsxadeus, this is a new library (Fremantle) or a diablo one ?13:45
sarowerif you want the makefile to see i can provide it to you!13:45
qwerty12_N810lbt: The General taught me the existence of the Wikipedia Cheatsheet ;)13:45
lbtqwerty12_N810: where ?13:45
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lbtshould be linked to under the edit box.... X-Fade.... :)13:45
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lbtoh, it is <blush>13:46
adeusfremantle has a new calendar iirc13:46
adeusor the entire pim13:46
saroweror any other ?13:47
lbtIt's closed though isn't it?13:47
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lbtsarower: pastebin it13:47
VDVsxadeus, ok, then nobody will fix it :P13:47
adeusyeah probably closed source13:48
* lbt installed ldap on Mer yesterday13:48
sarowerlbt: not understood13:49
lbtdo a pastebin of your makefile13:49
adeusrule number one for ldap, don't use it13:49
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adeuswell just just a huge pile of pain :)13:51
VDVsxadeus, dunno if you like python, but you also have python-abook, should be less painful than the C alternative :P13:52
adeusthen I would need to bind python to my qt13:53
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sarowerlbt: you want to see the makefile?13:53
lbtwrap dbus around python13:54
VDVsxlbt, yeah, that was my idea ;)13:55
lbtsarower: <sigh> no, I just wanted you to put it in a pastebin for fun?13:55
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MerkurAlexhow much are n810's going for on ebay?13:56
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sarowerlbt: give me a solution please13:57
VDVsxMerkurAlex, around $200, I guess (new)13:57
MerkurAlexVDVsx, thanks... thinking about selling my n810 to get a n900 possibly...13:58
MerkurAlexwhen they start selling of course :)13:58
lbtsarower: I am really trying to...  put your Makefile in a pastebin ( and I'll look at it... but for goodness sake....13:58
oespiritqwerty12_N810: ping ?13:59
VDVsxMerkurAlex, in this distant year your n8x0 will have value around $513:59
VDVsxjust kidding :P13:59
qwerty12_N810oespirit: pong14:00
lbtyeah, $1014:00
qwerty12_N810VDVsx - bringer of doom :P14:00
tbfadeus: doesn't use Qt the glib mainloop?14:00
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MerkurAlexVDVsx, LOL nice :P14:00
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tbfadeus: in that case it should be possible without much problems to access the addressbook via libebook14:00
sarowerlbt: i have done it14:00
tbfadeus: but also the stuff in libosso-abook shouldn't cause trouble unless you use widgets and dialogs14:01
tbfadeus: well, and even them i am not sure if there's really much trouble to expect, if Qt really uses the glib main loop14:01
lbtQt doesn't use the same main loop14:02
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adeusthe original probem was that when I try to include that osso header I get compilation errors14:02
tbflbt: adeus:
danielwilmssarower: next time use  my user name, then I see when you write something to me :) and btw are you sure that you want to build the package for fremantle??14:02
tbfadeus: maybe the libosso-abook headers are not C++ friendly14:02
RST38htbf: unholy marriage!14:03
tbfadeus: guess you should report this at bugzilla.maemo.org14:03
sarowerdanielwilms: I am interested for freemntle14:03
tbfRST38h: still better than accessing the addressbook via berkley db or the dbus API14:03
adeusyeah maybe14:03
lbttbf: thanks ... didn't know that14:03
tbfRST38h: neither the DBus API nor the db format are documented14:03
adeuswrapping with extern "c" doesn't help14:03
RST38htbf: now, I meant qt running inside gtk loop :)14:04
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lbtsarower: when you do a pastebin you need to post the url.... danielwilms I think I'll leave this to you14:05
tbfRST38h: the glib event loop is quite simple and generic14:06
adeushmm #include <libebook/e-book.h> was successfull14:06
sarowersorry lbt!14:06
adeusmaybe that'll lead to win14:06
tbfRST38h: so there is no much evil about integrating Qt and this event loop14:06
tbfRST38h: unless you want to imply that Qt's main loop is complete mess14:06
tbfRST38h: which i cannot judge14:06
RST38hDunno, never been to Qt main loop14:06
danielwilmslbt: hmmm...thanks? :D14:07
danielwilmsi believe you :)14:09
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sarowerRST38h: How i can add more .c files in your makefile that you sent to me yesterday?14:12
sarowerRST38h: where i have to give the file name?14:12
RST38hsarower: by opening makefile in the text editor14:12
RST38hsarower:, enter "makefiles howto" and click "Search"14:12
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sarowerRST38h: Ok. thank you for your information!14:13
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sarowerlbt: saw my file?14:20
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lbtsarower: it's driven by   and, RST38h, to be fair, that's not a trivial makefile to give to a noobie14:24
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sarowerlbt: That is i can not add other .c files here?14:27
tlThe maemo sdk image has installed Xephyr,why i can't start?14:27
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tlThe error is lack of
sarowerlbt: will be made by a single .c file?14:28
lbtsarower: yes14:29
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sarowerlbt: oh my god! then what is the way?14:29
sarowerthat i want!14:29
lbtsarower: can you create a hello_world program in C using a makefile?14:30
tlsomeone come accross the similar situation?14:31
tli can't start Xephyr.help14:31
sarowerlbt: yah here it is. that i have already created!14:31
lbtso add another c file to that .... use google to sort out how14:31
saroweroh ok........14:32
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RST38hlbt: it isn't?14:55
* RST38h checks14:55
RST38hlbt: Sorry, but it IS a trivial makefile, all he needs to to is add his new .o file name to OBJECTS=14:57
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lbtRST38h: what line is OBJECTS= on then15:02
RST38hlbt: open his makefile and search for word OBJECTS, it is in the first 5 lines of the file15:03
lbtI can believe PEBKAC though :)15:05
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RST38hlbt: This is not the same Makefile I gave him15:06
lbtI fully believe you <grin>15:06
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qwerty12_N810RST38h: is it that conky one?15:06
RST38hlbt: Next time he comes and starts pestering you, remind him that he promised me something15:06
RST38hqwerty: yea15:06
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lbtoh, it was him15:07
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qwerty12_N810Hah, quite a difference...15:07
RST38hlbt: I gave him that example in exchange for a promise to stop buggering people with trivial questions15:07
lbtyeah... good15:07
lbtI don't mind helping noobies... but they need to show *some* initiative :)15:08
lbtgot to admit "pastebin it".... "OK, done that"      almost had me on the floor.....15:08
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RST38hlbt: being newbie is not a problem here15:09
adeushmh the osso API uses int/enum operations that c++ disallows15:10
adeusI'm starting to consider the dbus approach..15:11
lbtadeus: if you do then I'd like to keep an eye on it :)15:11
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RST38hadeus: extern "C" { } does not help either?15:13
* RST38h thanks the Tentacled One for sending the thunderstorm15:13
adeusI think that mostly effects the linker15:13
RST38hadeus: Yea, it affects the name mangling15:13
RST38hcould you give an example of the problem you are having?15:14
adeusthe osso addressbook api uses enum/int operations15:14
adeuswhich the c++ compiler refuses to do15:14
RST38hShow an example15:15
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RST38h"Cheap, Thin Laptops Suffering From Cheapness, Thinness"15:16
adeuscode or the errror?15:16
* RST38h cackles evilly seeing Lenovo and Dell mentioned15:16
lbtadeus: both15:16
RST38hadeus: piece of code that causes the error and the error message15:16
lbtmmm modest is building...15:16
RST38hlbt: You aren't fixing Modest to make it useful, are you?15:17
qwerty12_N810That's a good thing? :)15:17
lbtmeh, it's the fremantle version15:17
RST38hlbt: Can we hope for an unnoficial Diablo version update? =)15:18
RST38hBecause right now it is one big cluster fuck15:18
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lbtProbably not15:18
lbtwell, it depends on all the new gtk stuff15:18
lbtand installing that on Diablo...15:19
X-FadeModest should build on diablo too.15:19
lbtyou think?15:19
RST38hlbt: Ok, I will clarify it15:19
X-FadeAs I see diablo build fixes commits there regularly.15:19
RST38hlbt: What we need is a bugfixed Camel15:19
GeneralAntillestimeless_mbp_, ping?15:19
RST38hModest can probably live as it is15:19
* lbt hasn't paid huge attention to Diablo stuff :)15:19
RST38hlbt: You should have, if you are working on Modest, unless you want to leave it non-functional in Fremantle of course15:20
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lbtX-Fade: yes, thinking about it there were control-diablo in debian/15:20
RST38hhello Andrew15:20
AndrewFBlackI can't beleave the N8x0 are not listed on yet15:21
lbtRST38h: atm I'm getting it to compile for Mer15:21
AndrewFBlackhey RST38h15:21
RST38hlbt: Ah15:21
lbtthen I'll look at it and see what it's like15:21
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lbtalthough if it's supporting diablo internally then there's no real need15:22
GeneralAntillesPing timeout.15:22
* GeneralAntilles goes to get wisdom teeth removed.15:22
X-FadeGeneralAntilles: Ouch, good luck!15:23
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adeus#include <libosso-abook/osso-abook.h>15:30
adeusint main() { return 0; }15:30
adeus g++ `pkg-config --cflags osso-addressbook-1.0` `pkg-config --libs osso-addressbook-1.0` book.c -o book15:30
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adeusthat causes15:34
adeususr/include/osso-addressbook-1.0/libosso-abook/osso-abook-caps.h: In function `OssoABookCapsFlags osso_abook_caps_from_account_type(OssoABookAccountTypeFlags)':15:34
adeus/usr/include/osso-addressbook-1.0/libosso-abook/osso-abook-caps.h:76: error: invalid conversion from `int' to `OssoABookCapsFlags'15:34
adeuswhich is correct as it's not allowed in c++..15:34
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timeless_mbp_GeneralAntilles: pong15:35
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timeless_mbpadeus: you probably need15:38
timeless_mbpextern "C" {15:38
RST38hadeus: Are you calling osso_abook_caps_from_account_type()?15:38
timeless_mbp#include ...15:38
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adeusno effect15:39
timeless_mbpadeus: system headers are typically very C ish15:39
timeless_mbpadeus: also, you probably need to #include something else :)15:39
adeusis there an app in maemo that I can query the services available via dbuss?15:39
adeusthat was just a simplified example15:39
timeless_mbpadeus: is this diablo?15:39
RST38hadeus: You are going to use DBus only because you can't resolve a type cast problem? =)15:39
adeusbut I need that as well15:40
adeusand if the contacts are already available via it, it solves also that problem :)15:40
timeless_mbpthere's dbus-send-query or something15:40
* timeless_mbp srhugs15:40
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andrefelipeHi, I am trying to share the maemo device (N810 latest diablo) internet with a host  PC through USB or bluetooth. I loaded the iptable_nat kernel modules on maemo device and i also configured ip and route on both maemo device and host PC but i can not get internet shared from maemo device to host PC (from host PC to maemo device works fine). Anybody got internet shared from maemo device to host PC though USB or bluetooh?16:00
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andrefelipeadeus: what is the trick :)?16:04
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andrefelipeto get it working?16:04
adeusis the usb0 network up between the devices?16:05
adeusdevice-pc that is16:05
andrefelipeand i can ping16:06
andrefelipefrom both sides16:06
adeusyou've edited the necessary rows to your host interfaces file?16:06
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andrefelipedo you mean iptable rules?16:08
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adeusyes mainly those16:08
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andrefelipeyes i put the iptable masquerade rules on maemo device16:09
adeusnothing on maemo side16:09
adeusi.e. device side16:09
adeuson the device side, just install maemo-control16:10
adeusthat adds "usb networking" to the control panel16:10
andrefelipei do not need tu put the iptable rules and enable ip_forward on maemo device?16:11
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adeusthat app does everything16:12
adeusand even if it didn't still no16:12
adeusthe app is in extras-devel16:12
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andrefelipeon host PC side should i configure something?16:13
adeusor wait16:14
adeusstop! :)16:14
adeuswhich way are you trying to set it up? :)16:14
andrefelipethe internet is on "maemo device", i am trying to share with my PC16:15
adeusso the other way then normally16:15
adeusthen basically ignore everything I just said16:15
andrefelipeok :)16:16
adeusand set your device as the gateway on the pc side16:16
andrefeliperoute add default gw
andrefelipei did that16:16
adeushow about "route add default usb0"16:17
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andrefelipeok i will try that but lets continue step-by-step just make sure that i will follow the correct way16:20
andrefelipeafer set gateway on host PC?16:20
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andrefelipei mean on maemo device side do i need enable ip_foward and iptable rules correct?16:21
andrefelipeto masquerade16:21
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adeusand that's about it16:22
adeusand on the pc side use the usb0 as the default gateway16:22
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andrefelipeso to enable iptable_nat modules i had to recompile the kernel modules16:23
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andrefelipeand install ipatbles-ext on maemo device16:23
andrefelipethis is the correct way also?16:23
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adeusyes probably16:25
adeusI haven't done it that way16:25
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andrefelipewhat was the way you got internet shared from maemo device :) to PC?16:26
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andrefelipei will try this route to usb0 but if i have no success i can try your way :)16:27
adeusno I understood you original question incorrectly16:27
andrefelipeah ok16:27
adeusI thought you wanted to share your pc internet connection with the device16:27
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adeusbut anyway the instructions for that should do, only in reverse16:29
adeus+the kernel module16:29
andrefelipei tryed exactly the same configuration (maemo -> PC) and (PC -> maemo)16:30
andrefelipePC -> maemo works fine16:30
andrefelipebut maemo -> PC does not work16:31
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andrefelipeas i saw in tcpdump on maemo device interfaces (usb0 and wlan0), the masquerading is not working on maemo device16:32
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andrefelipebasically i follow the steps describe by matan on
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andrefelipeto load the kernel modules16:34
andrefelipealso i tryed to recompile the iptable_nat modules instead of using matan's modules16:35
andrefelipebut no success also16:35
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andrefelipei will try to route usb0 as you sugested16:36
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andrefelipe but if anybody else got internet shared in this way (maemo device -> PC), i will appreciate any tips16:38
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pupnikad-hoc wifi should be easier to do17:04
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johnsqsomeone in charge of the cx3110x mer packet? he should use the same patch.17:14
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johnsqI found two :)17:15
johnsqno two new17:16
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amrdoes rtcomm work for msn again yet?17:17
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qwerty12_N810andre__: I don't have a Fremantle SDK available for me to use. Also = is used to circumvent yet another one of App Manager's borken "features" - using = will force App Manager (in Diablo) to update that dependency too17:18
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andre__qwerty12_N810, hmm. want to file a bug anyway? we could still complain about the totally meaningless error :)17:22
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qwerty12_N810andre__: Yes, please :)17:25
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andre__qwerty12_N810, no, i want to outsource that to you ;-)17:25
qwerty12_N810I have an aversion to bugzilla - the interface to file new bugs sends a shiver down me spine17:26
andre__okay, for some virtual icecream i can also do it myself :)17:26
qwerty12_N810infobot: give andre the best tub of icecream he has17:27
* infobot gives the best tub of icecream he has to andre17:27
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nomisqwerty12_N810: try using trac for a change. Then you'll love bugzilla...  :-)17:28
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Macerpoor artigo17:29
Macerload averages:  3.61,  3.54,  3.0917:29
Macerwant to see if i can get it into the 10s17:29
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GeneralAntillestimeless_mbp, drugs have annihilated my brain. Forgot what I wanted.17:56
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slonopotamusyou wanted more drugs? :P18:01
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RST38hGeneral: Back with us so fast? =)18:09
GeneralAntillesRST38h, mostly18:09
GeneralAntillesI've currently got two ice packs strapped to my head.18:09
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RST38hshit. condolences.18:10
GeneralAntillesWaiting to see how I feel after the local wears off.18:10
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amrcan i boot from the internal mmc on an n810?18:15
amror, is it a good ide?18:15
amrthat told me HOW to do it18:18
amrwhich i already had the link for18:18
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qwerty12_N810Considering it's telling you HOW it's done; I'd gather the can part would be automatically answered, now?18:19
Jucatoyou asked "can I?", so yes, you can (as proved by the link). it also lists why you might want to. so yes, it may be a good idea (if it answers your needs)18:19
amrok, see the second part of my question18:19
lbtamr it's a bad idea18:19
lbtall those docs... they're just trying to fool you.18:20
lbtEveryone who tried it... their tablets died18:20
lbtsorry to break it to you :(18:20
amrthank you for your humour :)18:20
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qwerty12_N810pH5: Many thanks for your op_mode patch BTW18:26
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pH5qwerty12_N810: I'm glad you like it :)18:30
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RST38hEhehehe...Mono apps to be potentially added to GNOME 3.018:40
RST38hSome people just never learn.18:41
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johnsqit was too fast, they need to reduce the speed.18:42
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RST38hJust got over Java, and now this.18:50
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Luke-Jr_RST38h: actually, that's totally in line with GNOME's policies18:57
Luke-Jr_they seem to have a goal to include every language in existence18:57
RST38hYou mean, make it fatter and slower with each release?18:57
RST38hHave they accounted Prolog and LISP already? =)18:57
Luke-Jr_someone needs to make a nice Qt DE18:58
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thuxbut is kde any faster or lighter than gnome?19:00
thopiekarhey guys..19:01
RST38hKDE loses from the fact that Qt is much easier to program in than GTK19:01
RST38hSo KDE folks feel constantly inclined to add more and more and more crap19:01
thopiekarI need a newer version of scons for my sb1 + maemo4.1...19:01
RST38hIt is FUN, you see? :)19:01
thopiekarIf I want to build a app it says that it can't find the qt4 module..19:02
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thopiekarany suggestions?19:06
thopiekarmaybe I just have to set up python2.5 as the default for "python" [$ which python] so scons could find it there..19:08
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thopiekaror is scons searching for another module..19:08
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johnsqthopiekar: have you python qt4 installed?19:09
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johnsqthan i don't know, looks like scons is searching qt4 for python.19:11
thopiekarok I have to leave no.. will be back in about 2 hours..19:11
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thopiekarjohnsq: right but python in scratchbox1 is overwritten by it's own (python2.3)!19:12
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thopiekarso I would have to make python2.5 as the default one..19:12
thopiekarok see you later..19:12
johnsqthopiekar: an you need PyQt419:13
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amrwhen doing this, what is the purpose of the 480MB partition?19:39
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johnsqone for winshit access and one to use19:42
amralso, - anyone know the name of that battery applet?19:42
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amroh, for files and stuff?19:42
qwerty12_N810advanced-power (the applet)19:43
johnsqamr: you see this as external drive yes, but you can also make one linux and use ext2fs for winshit.19:43
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amrqwerty12_N810, thanks19:43
amrjohnsq, yeah i dont really care about windows being able to read19:43
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amrwindows can read ext2fs with that driver anway19:44
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b0unc3is it possible that my tablet won't boot because there is no space left on device ?19:49
amri had that, kinda19:49
amrit would boot, but i couldnt do ANYTHING19:49
b0unc3same here19:49
amri didnt have anything on there of interest so i just reflashd19:49
amri couldn't even rm things19:49
amrso i think im going to boot from the internal card19:50
b0unc3good idea19:50
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lbtamr: that FAT partition is expected by some of the Diablo software IIRC ... and you may get problems if it isn't there19:51
amrhms, i guess ill have to use it19:52
amrim quite tempted to install ubuntu heh19:52
amrjust for giggles19:52
lbtunless you're desperate not to have FAT I'd stay on the safe side19:53
lbtWell, Mer is ubuntu19:53
amrdoes everything work in mer?19:55
lbtMer is still in development....19:56
lbtbut it's saner than trying to install Ubuntu from scratch19:56
lbtand once you have Mer you can apt-get install anything (-ish) from Jaunty19:56
amrwas just reading over the slides from a presentation19:56
amroh nice19:56
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lbthaven't I pointed you at yet?19:58
amri had heard OF mer19:58
amrjust not really anything specific19:58
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lbtDiablo is end-of-life, no more upgrades (though it's stable and not *that* buggy).. so Mer is where the future lies19:59
amrhas it actually been announced it has reached its end-of-life?20:00
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amri've only had this n810 for a few months :p20:00
lbtI think so. More "there are no more planned releases" type of thing20:00
amrcant umount mmc220:00
lbtI tend to get the gist of what's happening rather than the quotes20:01
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amrwhy cant i umount mmc2?20:26
qwerty12_N810Try the usual: lsof /media/mmc2/ or swapoff /media/mmc2/.swap20:27
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amrim a moron20:28
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RST38hThings got really slow in the Maemo land lately...20:31
RST38hWith latest OpenTTD the only means of entertainment.20:31
amri just completed super mario 120:32
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RST38hWhat we all need is another leaked shot of N9xx :)20:36
amrsfdisk: unrecognized input: 1,15000,620:37
amroh moron20:37
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RST38hAnd it has to be maimed in some outrageous way to cause another heated discussion. Given what we already know (small screen, no dpad, crippled keyboard), the only feature I can think of is to make it pink.20:37
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amrinsmod /mnt/initfs/lib/modules/$(uname -r)/mbcache.ko20:46
amrinsmod /mnt/initfs/lib/modules/$(uname -r)/ext2.ko20:46
amrthese both produce errors. first one says "File exists (-1): File Exists"20:46
amrsecond reports "No such file or directory"20:46
amrit looks at /mnt/initfs/lib/modules/2.6.21-omap1/ex2.ko20:47
RST38hHehe, FDA considers banning Vicodine.20:47
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Luke-Jrban FDA20:49
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RST38hWhy? It does its best to get Americans off crappy mood changing recreational drugs =)20:54
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RST38hBTW, I haven't kept track, do they still put active kids on Ritalin or is it out of fashion now?20:55
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Luke-JrRST38h: Ritalin or worse20:57
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Luke-Jrand not just kids20:57
Luke-Jradults they disagree with20:57
Luke-Jror are too outspoken20:58
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RST38hLuke: Can't legally force an adult take this stuff21:00
RST38hLuke: Much easier with children though21:00
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Luke-JrRST38h: maybe not as the laws are written, but in practical terms they can and do21:12
Luke-JrRST38h: just take them by force, get them drugged up enough, and extract a "confession"21:13
RST38hLuke: That probably does not happen too often or we would know21:13
RST38hKinda difficult to keep hidden21:13
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Luke-JrRST38h: sealed records ;)21:14
Luke-Jrplsu, the victim is kept drugged up of course21:14
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RST38hYea, and they release a clone, or a cyborg, that behaves just like the real guy but is ready to strike at humanity as soon as he is instructed by the CNN =)21:15
amri have completely forgotten why i wanted to boot from the sd card21:16
RST38hmaybe you wanted to try mer?21:16
amroh yes thats it!21:16
amrwell ive completely followed all of this21:17
amrbut i assume that just copies the current set up across21:17
amri havent actually booted it yet!21:18
amroh what the hell21:18
amrpressing and holding menu didn't do anything21:18
amrits still booting from flash21:18
amrtres annoying21:19
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amranyone handy with the bootloader?21:21
amrthe 'press menu' messasge shows up for a second21:21
amrthen it just goes straight into "booting from flash"21:21
amri assume if i set the default boot device to mmc2, and it doesn't work21:23
amri can just reflash?21:23
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RST38hWhen I first saw this: I thought it was a joke. But apparently it is not...21:30
Luke-Jr[13:15:20] <RST38h> Yea, and they release a clone, or a cyborg, that behaves just like the real guy but is ready to strike at humanity as soon as he is instructed by the CNN =)21:31
Luke-JrRST38h: is that sarcasm? -.-21:31
RST38hLuke: guess =)21:31
Luke-Jrit's not funny.21:31
mavhcRST38h: at least it doesn't just not boot, like n810 did before upgrade21:31
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RST38hmavhc: The famous fridge bug? =)21:31
mavhchappend to me21:31
RST38hI missed it, fortunately21:32
mavhcI only turned it off to upgrade to the software upgradable firmware21:32
mavhcday 2 of owning it, rather annoyed21:32
RST38hmavhc: actually a bit earlier, they released the boot prep fix in the update preceding the diablo21:32
mavhcwhat was the actual cause?21:33
RST38hHad something to do with clocks being initialized wrong21:33
mavhcand why did cold fix it?21:33
RST38hThe hardware race condition did not occur when hw was cold21:33
RST38hI know it sounds funny, but I have to deal with similar problems on the SigmaTel chip21:33
Luke-JrRST38h: I've seen it personally, and have heard many stories of similar.21:34
RST38hChanging system clocks and voltages is very very sensitive21:34
RST38hLuke: I once have seen a woman saying that KGB is brain-controlling her over GSM network21:34
RST38hLuke: So, nothing unusual there =)21:35
Luke-JrRST38h: you've witnessed it?21:35
RST38hLuke: The control? No. The woman? Yes.21:36
Luke-Jrok then, so you haven't witnessed it really21:37
Luke-Jrjust a fake victim testimony21:37
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Luke-Jr(since obviously a brain-controlled woman wouldn't be able to easily relate it)21:37
RST38hLuke: Have you witnessed evil feds shooting their victim with drugs?21:38
RST38hWhat were you doing at that time? =)21:38
Luke-Jrtechnically, I am an unwilling accomplice21:38
RST38hIn what role?21:39
Luke-JrI force her to continue taking the drugs daily.21:39
Luke-Jrand/or report her if she stops.21:39
RST38hBut how do you know that she was first put on drugs by the feds?21:40
Luke-JrI witnessed that as well.21:40
Luke-Jrthough not "the feds" literally, more like "the state"21:40
RST38hwhat was the initial reason?21:40
Luke-Jrthe feds just fund it21:40
Luke-JrRST38h: the real reason? I don't know for sure.21:41
RST38hLuke: Well, if it were suicide attempt or some other psychotic behavior, then it was justified21:41
Luke-Jrafter they got her drugged up sufficiently, the "confession" extracted was an intent to murder our children, justifying sealed records21:41
RST38hLuke: Ah, really?21:42
RST38hHow similar things develop in different countries...21:42
RST38hLuke: Actually, I can't and won't judge it either way, maybe they had grounds for that maybe not21:44
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thopiekarhi.. it'S me again :P21:45
thopiekarback to scons -21:45
thopiekarscratchbox's scons' version is: v0.96.1.D001, 2004/08/23 09:55:29, by knight on casablanca21:46
thopiekarwhich is defitily outdated...21:46
thopiekaris there a way to get a newer version?21:46
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RST38hYou can compile a newer one21:47
RST38hAside from that, I do not think there is a newer package available: can't find it online21:48
Luke-JrRST38h: they didn't21:51
Luke-JrRST38h: and there are never any grounds for it21:52
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RST38hLuke: Ok, what was the original reason?21:52
Luke-JrRST38h: people have rights21:52
thopiekar:| i'm really tried of making these workarounds.. like with my portaudio19-packages, I take the most time to get things working in this dev-kit because of outdated packages.. when making my static portaudio-packages it was libasound : |21:52
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Luke-JrRST38h: best i can tell, the original reason was easy money21:52
RST38hLuke: Just asking because I know of a similar case where a mother "apparently" let her daughter fall from the stairs21:52
Luke-Jrthere was an actual incident there, at least21:53
Luke-Jrinstead of mere allegations of intent, that were only "substatated" by drugging21:53
RST38hLuke: And in your case there wasn't?21:53
RST38hHow did they open the case anyway?21:53
Luke-Jrthe official case opening was after they got the drugged "confession"21:54
RST38hI really do not understand21:54
Luke-Jrthe original drugging was entirely based on a hearsay allegation of some vague future intent21:55
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Luke-Jrthere was no official case opened until after they drugged her to get a "confession"21:55
RST38hLuke: this is some really weird shit21:55
Luke-Jrthen they used that "confession" as the basis21:55
Luke-Jrno crap, totally illegal by the book I'm sure21:55
Luke-Jrbut there's nothing we can do21:56
RST38hLuke: Even in .RU they can't just pick you off the street, drug you, and get a confession21:56
RST38hLuke: They always need some initial reason for that21:56
Luke-JrRST38h: we were in our home21:56
RST38hLuke: It is much, MUCH harder in the US21:56
Luke-JrRST38h: like I said, as the law is written, they DO need some reason21:56
Luke-Jrbut they can ignore the law without problems21:56
RST38hOk, then why don't you sue them?21:57
Luke-Jrthey will use it against us21:57
Luke-Jrthe court automatically considers the state employees "credible" and the accused "un-credible"21:57
Luke-Jrour word against theirs, we lose21:57
RST38hTalk to a lawyer.21:57
Luke-JrRST38h: that's what the lawyer told me21:58
RST38hTalk to a decent lawyer.21:58
Luke-Jrdoes that exist? :/21:58
RST38hDunno, probably, inside the limited query parameters that you need21:58
Luke-Jreven the one I paid wants to remain on good terms with the judge and prosecutor21:59
RST38hMy guess is that you are ommitting some part of the story though21:59
RST38hSue in a different state.21:59
Luke-Jryou can do that?21:59
RST38hAsk a lawyer.21:59
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RST38hThere are federal courts too22:00
Luke-Jrmy top priority right now is to get us out of the state. maybe then I can worry about counter-suing over the violations.22:00
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amrwish my uni email would sync faster22:09
amrstupid imap22:09
* thopiekar has breaked apt-get in sb1 by installing python-central and trying to install scons , which package was compiled in sb1, too..22:12
amrhmm.. its like te internet isnt responding on my tablet22:12
amrim connected, i can load google news22:12
amrbut i cant refresh package lists, or check my email using the client22:13
* thopiekar has to take some time to reinstall the diablo sdk, because he is to nasty to search for a solution..22:13
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amrhmm.. and a reboot didnt fix it22:14
amrthis is most disconcerting22:14
thopiekaramr: tried to reboot your device?22:14
thopiekarhmm :|22:14
amrhmm, i removed the usb cable22:15
amrand it seems to behave now22:15
amrive just flashed it22:15
amrso theres nothing on there22:15
thopiekarahh k22:15
thopiekarshould work now..22:15
amrpackage lists updated22:15
amrmail still chugging away22:16
amrhasnt even got a list of my folders yet22:16
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amrreboot seems to have fixed that too22:17
Luke-JrRST38h: come to think of it, your attitude among the masses is probably a good part of how they can get away with it ;)22:20
Luke-Jranyhow, bbl22:20
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xnt14ls /var/www22:27
xnt14crap wrong window :P22:27
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* thopiekar is tried of diablo.. he will properly developt in Mer's env..22:41
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infobotI herald you, my supreme master! Lead us into the light of your wisdom and power23:47
RichiHinfobot: botsnack23:48
infobotthanks, RichiH23:48
RichiHso, i have a n810 sitting right next to me. its firmware seems to be somewhat broken. what should i put onto it to play with?23:48
RichiHi don't mind a rough edge here and there :)23:48
RichiHalso, does anyone know the size & weigth of the n900 compared to the n810?23:49
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florianhi RichiH23:51
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florianRichiH: even the official firmware comes with a terminal :)23:52
RichiHi know23:52
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RichiHflorian: i am just wondering if i should go for OS2008 or something else23:55
florianRichiH: I'd do this for now...23:56

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