IRC log of #maemo for Wednesday, 2009-07-01

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caoticwhat is the n810 equivalent state for wait mode ( minimum battery consumption, but not completely off ) ?00:23
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tds5016how do I see what packages I've installed with apt-get?00:24
qwerty12_N810dpkg -l00:24
tds5016how can I check the last let's say 50 packages I've installed?00:25
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lbttds5016: you can't .... unless you have a log00:27
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kkrustywhat do I need to install in order to get edje_cc? the sdk?00:29
tds5016not being able to get to a | key is really pissing me off too...00:29
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tds5016I want to see ONLY the packages that _I've_ installed.00:29
ShadowJKpress CHR00:29
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ShadowJKfor pipe00:29
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tds5016thanks. that is such a random place to put it.00:30
tds5016considering it's a linux distro you think they'd make it easy to find. haha.00:31
ShadowJKYou can put it next to the page up page down ctrl thing onscreen00:32
ShadowJKmenu -> tools -> settings -> Toolbar shortcut00:32
ShadowJKTitle: |00:32
ShadowJKValue: bar00:32
ShadowJKthe "bar" thing is important :)00:33
kkrustythis has got to be the most helpful channel on freenode00:33
kkrustythanks a lot buddies00:33
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ShadowJKcaotic, there's a suspend to ram mode, but it's not used00:35
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lbtShadowJK: isn't it?00:36
lbt'soft poweroff' ?00:36
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lbtwhen I press the power button I get an extended menu00:37
lbtand it has soft poweroff on it00:37
ShadowJKdunno who made that and what they made it do00:37
lbta config item somewhere IIRC00:37
ShadowJKyou can suspend to ram from FTD too00:38
Guest1604_948my line issue is /usr/bin/fakeroot: 166: debian/rules: Permission denied dpkg-buildpackage: failure: fakeroot debian/rules clean gave error exit status 12600:38
Guest1604_948any clue00:38
ShadowJKbut the device doesn't use STR by default out of the box :)00:38
lbtI've had it do something along those lines when charging IIRC00:38
lbtbut no biggy :)00:39
lbtjust interesting00:39
ShadowJKI guess when with cpu idle, screen, bluetooth, wlan, gps, usb and audio off the battery lasts a week or more, there was no need for STR :)00:40
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lbtvery true00:42
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lbtShadowJK:  in /etc/mce/mce.ini00:45
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kkrustylbt: thanks. sorry for the sarcasm outburst. I figured out the edje_cc part and I'll install those packages on a vm00:49
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lbtnp :)00:49
kkrustyIm just trying canola-rtm00:50
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tds5016has oneone in here ever worked with darwin streaming server?00:50
lbtI'm a bit out of touch on the scratchbox side... it's all OBS at the moment00:51
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edrexright place for mer devs?00:55
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lbtedrex: try #mer00:56
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lbtedrex: you wanted Mer devs?01:02
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caoticthis may sound silly, but is there an alternative for the n810 to alt+f2 (run command ) ?02:05
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GeneralAntillestimeless_mbp, ping?02:37
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* GeneralAntilles notes muscle memory is kicking in with the fingerkeyboard more than even a real keyboard.02:42
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GeneralAntillesOh, you have to be fucking shitting me.02:58
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daniel32708guys, it would be so cool to have multi-usser support, with a login screen and stuff03:12
daniel32708it shouldnt be that hard to achieve03:12
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daniel32708what do u think?03:14
LinuxCodego on then, make one03:14
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daniel32708i am not a hacker03:14
daniel32708i wish i were03:14
LinuxCodethen become one and then make one03:15
daniel32708has anyone tried it? or is it planned?03:15
* LinuxCode glares at GA03:15
daniel32708also, is it possible to install stuff in the external sd card?   the internal memory aint that much03:16
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caoticMwhat shell does the n810 uses ?03:20
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qwerty12_N810It says "BusyBox v1.6.1 (2008-09-18 09:43:17 EEST) Built-in shell (ash)" at right at the top when you open a terminal...03:22
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caoticMthis is embarassing :p03:23
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daniel32708is it possible to install stuff in the external sd card?   the internal memory aint that much03:26
daniel32708software, etc03:26
daniel32708if yes, how?  if not, why?03:27
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crashanddiedaniel32708, you can install the root on the sd card03:31
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caoticMdaniel32708: dirty trick, play with ln links and instalation directories03:35
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GeneralAntillesLinuxCode, no PPC version of flasher-3.503:35
GeneralAntillesI'm going to start killing Nokians.03:35
LinuxCodeGeneralAntilles, haha03:35
LinuxCodekill one for me for not releasing details to me about when the new device is out03:35
LinuxCodeIm desperate for a new phone03:35
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daniel32708crashanddie  and  caoticM :  thx 4 reply!04:28
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Macerwas lois and clark any good?04:45
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daniel32708maemo rules04:47
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JasonWoofhow do I set up NAT? (I want my n810 (with Diablo) to share its internet connection over USB07:29
JasonWoofI used apt-get to install "iptables" and "iptables-ext"07:29
JasonWoofevery other tutorial I can find talks about installing kernel modules with modprobe but: 1) modprobe dies with this message "modprobe: cannot parse modules.dep" and 2) there don't seem to be any kernel modules for ipt_MASQUERADE anyway07:30
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ukkiJasonWoof: i tried it a while back, but didn't get it working properly07:36
JasonWoofI don't understand why the kernel modules aren't in the iptables package07:36
JasonWoofI've tried a few times, and gone to great lengths07:36
ukkii built all the modules etc, dns/udp seemed to work, but tcp didn't07:36
JasonWoofA while back I participated in a forum thread where someone claimed to have it working, but even after installing his kernel modules, I couldn't get NAT working07:37
ukkii have an identical setup with my other linux box and it works ok so it wasn't because of my double nat07:38
ukkiah but this was os2006 sorry07:39
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caoticwould setting a user password, change or break n810 applications ?09:45
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Meizirkkicaotic, nope09:48
Meizirkkibzf vai?09:48
Meizirkkisori väärä ikkuna09:48
Meizirkkisorry wrong window09:48
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caotici could tell :P09:49
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taolanIn maemo devolopment,i can't open new browser window,10:40
taolanis there anyone who know about this?10:41
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auntieNeodid they stop making maemo live CD's? the one I found seems to be old...10:43
auntieNeoI don't want to have to mess with debs on all my non-debian boxen :(10:43
taolanI have no internet applications10:44
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taolani have install all packages ralative to maemo devolopment,but i still don't have internet applications10:45
X-FadeauntieNeo: Or better
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aquatixmorning all10:49
danielwilmstaolan: the browser is not part of the SDK10:49
Meizirkkimorning aquatix10:49
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taolandanielwilms,i know it,thanks but how should install it.10:54
taolani want to install a browser10:54
taolanbecause i want to install the chinese font and make the font displayed on the label.10:55
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taolanNow it doesn't display the chinese fonts10:56
RST38hMore info on the Nokia Mako is out10:57
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danielwilmstaolan: what does not show the chinese fonts? and which label?10:57
RST38h*FOUR* row keyboard.10:57
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RST38hShit, why not just make a 800x480 version of the Mako???10:58
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auntieNeoheh, it seems nokia keeps making their devices better and worse at the same time xD10:58
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RST38hNot Nokia, N-series group10:59
RST38hPlain four-digit Nokia devices are getting consistently better10:59
RST38hS60, more features, no crappy silvery coating, lower prices11:00
RST38hMako is actually Nokia 6790, a normal consumer grade device11:01
taolanThe label is a GtkWidget on which  i want to display chinese11:01
RST38hSo is 580011:01
suihkulokkiRST38h: E-series has nice stuff too. But N-series is really kinda "beta-series"11:01
auntieNeoI'm still waiting for my N810 to arrive :s11:01
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X-Fadetaolan: Do you have chinese fonts installed?11:02
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taolanNow i can't install chinese fonts11:02
RST38hsuihkulokki: E-series killed my E70, replacing it with clealry inferior E75, so I have got a personal grudge there =)11:02
taolani don't know how to install it .11:03
RST38hsuihkulokki: No personal grudges against N-series, just disappointment at why they can't get a few simple things right11:03
auntieNeotaolan: i think you want this:
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taolanthanks maybe i should have a look11:04
X-Fadetaolan: chinese is not supported by default, so you have to install some extra components.11:04
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RST38hsuihkulokki: Saving some popcorn to watch what Maemo Devices will do with their own design team, may end up with something cool11:04
auntieNeoI bought an N810 for only two things... SSH and Japanese dictionaries :P11:05
auntieNeoexcept, I have to port the dictionary app myself <_<11:05
taolanNow i just don't know how to install the components.11:05
auntieNeothat site I linked to has some .install files... I thought maemo used .deb?11:06
taolani download the file  ttf-chinese.install and can't install it.11:06
taolanyeah i think maemo only can install .deb file11:07
X-FadeauntieNeo: If you download .install files on the device, it will open the application manager and install the correct debs.11:07
auntieNeowish I had a device to test it :P11:07
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auntieNeotwo more days... I can wait :[11:07
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taolanhow to intall .install files using application manager after i download it to my device11:09
auntieNeotaolan: I think you're supposed to chose "open" when you download it...11:10
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auntieNeoin the download dialog11:10
danielwilmsyep, just open it, don't save it when you download11:11
taolanbut i don't have a browser to link11:11
danielwilmsi forgot that you are not on the device...sorry11:12
auntieNeoheh, ah :P11:12
taolanyeah i am just using a sdk11:12
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danielwilmsthen you can add it to the sources.list...just a second11:14
taolanthe sdk doesn't provide any appliction and i wan't to get a source.list11:14
X-Fadetaolan: The application manager should be there?11:14
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X-FadeJust add the repository there?11:15
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taolanwhich option?11:15
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taolanyou mean applicaton manager-->tools-->application catalogue11:16
taolanNow whether i should install a browser or not?11:19
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taolanI see a lot of application which can be installed by taping a icon after loging a url11:21
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danielwilmsapplication catalogue -> new11:24
danielwilmsthen choose a name11:24
danielwilmsadd the repository you find in the .install file11:25
danielwilmswith the web-address11:25
taolanX-Fade:maybe my application manager has something you konw how i should install it again? thanks.11:25
danielwilmsthe distribution and the user11:26
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taolandanielwilms:you mean where i can add web-address.11:26
taolanwhat do you mean, danilelwilms? i am a newbie to maemo.11:27
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danielwilmswhen you click on "new" in the application catalogue window11:28
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taolanNow i add the web-address,but it seems to no response11:29
taolanit doesn't work.11:29
danielwilmswait wait wait...which web-address did you enter11:29
taolani think it has something with the appliction manager11:29
taolanwait a moment.11:30
taolancan you give me  a web-address you can use?11:31
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taolani can test whether my application manager is useful11:31
taolanwhether i should configure my internet or not?11:33
taolanit seems not to connect to internet.11:33
danielwilmswait a sec please11:34
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taolanIn fact,i am devoloping handwriting and the result i recognize  is chinese. i can't let the result displayed on a widget like GtkLabel.11:37
taolanMaybe i should install chinese components,but i don't know how to intall it like chinese fonts.11:38
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taolanIn maemo sdk,how to install application.11:45
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danielwilmssorry...just had a prob with the client11:47
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danielwilmstaolan: but cannot install it that easily in the sdk11:48
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danielwilmsbecause there is no x86 build11:48
danielwilmsdo you have a device??11:49
taolani have no device11:49
RST38hGet a device first.11:50
taolani am graduating and know a little about maemo.11:50
taolanthanks danielwilms11:50
RST38hDebugging on the emulator is not the same, lots of things just won't work.11:50
taolanthank you for your patience.11:50
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sarowerEvery body, Good Afternoon!11:51
saroweri am interested to develop plug-in for maemo device. Are not there any C++ support for this?11:52
sarowerI am looking for this... so far i have found all written in C!11:53
sarowerany body please!11:53
* RST38h sighs11:53
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RST38hX-Fade: Ah cool =)11:54
sarowerRST38h: sighs?11:54
lbtsarower: or a _proper_ solution :
sarowerfor me?11:54
X-FadeRST38h: Maemomm is actually in a pretty good shape :)11:54
RST38hHey, sarower, would you consider a trade?11:55
RST38hlbt: That is -10MB in / though, for a proper solution =)11:55
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lbtdisk is cheap11:55
RST38hlbt: Not Maemo's /11:56
lbtoh wait, we have no disk11:56
sarowerRST38h: thats no need, others are kind. they are cooperating me...11:56
RST38hWell, we do have one, just a tiny one unfortunately11:56
RST38hsarower: Oh, I think you will find it a good trade11:56
* lbt has N800 ... no space issues :)11:56
sarowerRST38h: Oh please.. i no need!11:56
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RST38hI appear to have a *sample desktop plugin* project which I have done for qwerty1211:57
RST38hThe plugin does not do much, but it is fully functional11:57
RST38hJust unpack tgx file, fill in your own code, and compile11:57
sarowerlbt: Is there any support for home area plug-in development in QT?11:57
RST38hlbt: You still have limited /11:58
RST38hsarower: So, do you want this project or not?11:58
lbtsarower: no, it's not the right choice for applets AFAIK11:59
lbtRST38h: who doesn't in this finite universe of ours?11:59
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RST38hlbt: God? =)11:59
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lbtexactly... no-one :P12:00
* RST38h divides lbt by 0, here, unlimited /12:00
sarowerX-Fade: there are many referrence which one is the appropriate for plug-in development in C++?12:00
lbthow are the gtkmm reference docs? I found them..... painful12:01
X-Fadesarower: Depends on where you want to plug in to.12:01
sarowerplug-in for internet the home area...12:02
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sarowerlike FM radio, RSS feed Reader etc...12:02
X-FadeThat is hildon desktop.12:03
saroweryah i know.. but it is C based..12:04
sarowerAre there any C++ support of hildon desktop?12:04
lbtsarower: it's all gtk based12:04
sarowerhm.. oh my god...12:05
lbtgtkmm is a C++ interface to gtk framework12:05
X-Fadesarower: hilldonmm12:05
RST38hHehe, I did not sigh for nothign :)12:05
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sarowerX-Fade: hmm....but i need some sample in hildonmm.........12:05
lbtX-Fade: hildonmm is gtkmm+ C++ wrapper over libhildon ?12:06
saroweri do not find any such sample or example code12:06
lbtsarower: C++ is a 2nd class language for hildon...12:06
RST38hsarower, I will give you a complete sample of desktop plugin written in C12:06
X-Fadelbt: C++ bindings for hildon?12:06
lbtyou will be embarking on a voyage of discovery12:06
RST38hIt includes dpkg configuration and runs on Maemo desktop12:07
RST38hDo you want it?12:07
sarowerRST38h: it ok12:07
RST38hI will just want 1 (one) thing in exchange12:07
RST38hAnd it is not money12:07
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RST38hYou should promise to restrict yourself to and maemo developers mailing list for questions about developing the plugin12:08
RST38hIs it ok?12:08
saroweri already have a question there...12:09
sarowerin the talk.mameo.org12:09
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RST38hGood. My point is that you should promise to avoid pestering people on #maemo with so many questions.12:09
RST38hCan you promise that?12:09
saroweryah.. but i must have the access.... and some time i may log in here....12:10
sarowerand some  / few question12:10
RST38hLogging here is fine, no problem with that. Talking is fine.12:10
RST38hPestering people with a lot of questions for hours is not fine.12:10
saroweryah... i will maintain the rules...12:10
RST38hSo, do you promise?12:10
sarowerha ha ha haaaaaaaaa... fine...12:10
RST38hOk. Your email address then?12:10
saroweryou are very interesting.. man!12:11
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sarowerRST38h.. ok?12:13
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sarowerRST38h: what is your name please..?12:13
RST38hsarower: Use /whois12:13
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sarowerplease tell12:14
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sarowercan i mail you when i fetch some problem..?12:15
sarowerregarding my job?12:15
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RST38hsarower: You just promised something, didn't you?12:15
RST38hsarower: Post your questions to and maemo developers mailing list. If nobody answers, then nobody knows.12:16
sarowerRST38h: Ok man... Kool! I understood!12:17
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sarowerRST38h: Friendship...?12:20
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waswasDoes anyone know, is it possible to make window with GTK and use SDL (for graphics) inside little box12:31
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RST38hNot in Maemo, afaik.12:33
RST38hBut doable in desktop Linux.12:33
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adeusI think there is some sql/opengl ports to maemo out there12:40
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wazdHello Maemo :)12:59
RST38hHello wazd13:00
wazdRST38h: hooah, my sister has chosen asus u2e, leather baby,
wazdRST38h: also she is considering asus s6f but it looks a bit like old fasioned soviet case :D
RST38hwait, are they real laptops?13:03
wazdRST38h: ultraportables :)13:03
wazdRST38h: with core2duo and stuff13:03
RST38hAh,Core2 shoudl be ok13:03
RST38hBut Atom is going to be 1/3 of Core2 performance13:04
wazdRST38h: u2e has a bit slow core2duo 1.2 Ghz only13:04
wazdRST38h: s6f is fine but I can't find it in Moscow and it looks slightly funny :)13:05
RST38hwazd: s6f looks ok to me, just a bit heavy probably13:06
RST38hAlso, I do not think 1.2GHz Core2 is slow, it pulls applications just fine, and you won't play games on it anyway13:07
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wazdRST38h: yep13:07
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JaffaMorning, all13:37
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lcukmornin jaffa13:43
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lcukhey lbt \o13:48
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RST38h(somebody at Adobe is counting days until the end of Flash)14:15
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aquatixRST38h: i help him counting14:16
RST38haquatix: actually, that was wrong reaction14:17
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RST38haquatix: right reaction is to ask Nokia guys if they are going to support html5 in Fremantle browser =)14:17
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RST38hBecause from what this page shows, it looks like the canvas is going to be the magic bullet =)14:18
aquatixah :)14:18
lcukperformance?  overhead?14:19
aquatixif fremantle browser is based on the gecko version of Fx 3.5 or higher, or modern webkit, we're good14:19
RST38hlcuk: not much different from Flash.14:19
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RST38hlcuk: In fact, this stuff is kinda similar to flash - it has also got JavaScript (ECMAScript in flash, same thing), the canvas, the persistent storage14:19
RST38hlcuk: Only it requires no Adobe to run :)14:20
lcukyeah but this is sandboxed14:20
RST38hlcuk: And Flash is not? :)14:20
* aquatix hopes flash is sandboxed14:20
lcukapologies, wrong description, errmm its interpreted14:20
aquatixbut watching my Fx die now and then, i think not too well14:20
RST38hlcuk: Click right mouse button on an embedded flash object and click on Options - you will see how flash is sandboxed14:20
qtomuall: Are there any instructions to install qt libraries (latest sources) on device say N810? (I tried to google but could not manage to find any useful )14:21
RST38hlcuk: Dunno about Flash, but Mozilla uses JIT for JS14:21
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RST38haquatix: Ah they will fix it eventually14:21
RST38haquatix: Can't be worse than Flash doing gettimeofday() in a tight loop14:22
aquatixhaha, indeed14:22
lcukit might just work nicely14:22
lcukbut for now, i know that i can safely block flash - do i start having to block parts of html?14:23
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aquatixlcuk: i think it could be part of the browser's settings14:23
qtomulcuk: thnx but I need not qt applications but rather qt4.6 libraries to be installed on device... I have browsed the link but could not find the relavant info14:24
aquatix`enable rich content' or something14:24
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RST38hlcuk: You probably won't14:24
lcukqtomu, trying to help, qt is not official and part of the sdk (yet).  ask lbt14:24
RST38hHehe, Al Franken won :)14:25
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lbtqtomu: we're running 4.5.2 on the device atm... look in  to track14:40
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lbtqtomu: you want to run this under Diablo ?14:41
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thopiekarlbt, qtomu: using qt with python by pyqt4 is very slow atm..14:52
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lbtlatest qt-maemo  thopiekar14:52
thopiekar.. that what i've tested14:52
thopiekar, lbt14:52
lbttry a quick run using -graphicsengine native14:53
thopiekarhow should I enable this in python?14:53
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lbthmm, can you run a native C++ qt application ... it seems to affect the whole framework14:54
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thopiekarcould it be that its slower because it has to redesign my ui? because my app has a window size of 600x500..14:55
thopiekarbtw.. whats the size of the window if it is in normal view..14:56
thopiekaralso not fullscreen?14:56
lbtyou shouldn't care14:56
lbt800x600 full... no idea about smaller size :)14:57
ukkianyone here with os x leopard?14:59
thopiekarno sorry...15:02
Maceri never knew there was a punisher movie released last year15:04
wazdI've fixed high-end gaming mouse Microsoft Habu with a needle, lighter, screwdriver and a kitchen knife :D15:04
wazdoh, and some liquid nails :D15:04
qtomulbt: I have already built latest sources of qt in scratchbox and at the moment trying to start up a sample qt application... on the other side I wanted to know how can I install the qt libraries to N810 once I got it build for arm target15:05
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caotichow can I free the internal memory card, I have no documents on it, just apps, (not that many actually) but already have a 4% free and I have a 16GB card in the slot that is 97% free15:42
RST38hcaotic: Do you mean / or /media/mmc2 ?15:44
RST38hApparently, they managed to hog all the memory again, even on S60e515:46
caoticRST38h: /media/mmc215:47
RST38hcaotic: Are you sure you have apps on /media/mmc2? It does not allow placing executable files there15:47
aquatixRST38h: interesting15:48
caoticI am not sure actually15:48
caoticjust got the n810 yesterday and already have 92 MB free on / and 78 MB free on mmc215:49
RST38hcaotic: ok, 92MB on / is ok15:49
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RST38h78MB free on mmc2 is kinda abnormal but if you are in the US, it may be15:50
RST38hcaotic: do du /media/mmc2 | sort -rn |more15:50
RST38hcaotic: This will show disk usage by directory name and sort the list so that the worst offenders are on top15:50
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caoticthanks :D always wondered how to fetch that info :D15:51
RST38hcaotic: it may hang for a bit, as sort usually takes time15:52
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caoticmaps is taking a big chuck, not really planning on using it unless I can stored on my external memory15:54
caoticRST38h: thanks a lot man15:54
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Macerwhat the hell15:56
Macerit was so hot last week you couldn't stay outside for more than 5 minutes without being drenched in your own sweat15:56
Macerand today it is in the 60s15:56
RST38hcaotic: I would keep maps (would erase one coast if you are in the US though)15:57
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RST38hcaotic: There are some sample videos and soundtracks though, kill those15:57
caoticRST38h: well, I am not in US ... so, there is no chance I will be visting zoon15:58
caoticmabe I should just ln ./maps to /media/mmc1/somethingelse15:59
caoticthat may work15:59
RST38hcaotic: mmc1 and mmc2 are basically equivalent, so there is no reason to worry too much about mmc215:59
RST38hjust keep your stuff on mmc1, that's all15:59
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caoticRST38h: what do you mean by that ?16:01
caoticbeing equivalent16:01
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RST38hcaotic: there is no advantage in keeping data on mmc2 rather than mmc116:01
RST38hcaotic: any data that is16:01
caoticreally, but when installing applications all memory consumed is from mmc2 isnt it ?16:02
RST38hno, applications install to /16:02
RST38hmmc2 can't even have executable files16:02
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RST38hApplications data (especially games data) may install to mmc1 or mmc2, there is usually a dialog letting you choose during installation16:03
caoticI see16:03
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caoticmakes sense, but still is maps is taking almos 750 MB  .. :P16:04
caoticerr: 1.7 Gs thats a little excessive dont you think ?16:05
johnsqI made backup on pc, erased them and formated ext316:05
RST38hcaotic: What country are you in?16:06
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* RST38h does not remember any maps taking that much space, other than US (both coasts)16:06
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caoticRST38h: mexico16:07
RST38hRun Map application and see what maps you have installed. If you have got US maps, discard them16:09
RST38hMay want to back them up to a PC of course, just in case16:09
caoticeast usa 784, west usa 725 .. that sounds right ?16:11
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caoticI think if I need them I ll just redownload, or is it a very slow servers (the ones serving the maps ) ?16:15
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RST38hno idea, it has been a while16:16
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caoticRST38h: right , thats ok16:17
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caoticMwhat you guys think of is it all that usefull or the free account is not whort it ?16:26
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sleepingi have installed diablo 4.1.2,but i can't install Xserver properly16:59
sleepingIs there anyone who can help me out?16:59
* lbt waves to sleeping17:05
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* GAN800 feels more and more like Nokia is repaying with "Really, we don't want your time or your business."17:17
RST38hGAN: True but the sad thing is that this can be applied to just about any corporation nowadays17:18
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andre__GAN800, specific examples (except for flasher for PPC)?17:39
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z4chhhow can i get gconf-client.h? im pretty sure i have gconf installed trying to compile a program that uses (#include <gconf/gconf-client.h>) but don't seem to have it....similar to:
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javispedroz4chh, on my diablo sdk installation that file is provided by libgconf2-dev package20:31
javispedrolibgconf2-dev: /usr/include/gconf/2/gconf/gconf-client.h20:31
z4chhthat is the package i needed :|20:33
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z4chhi was wondering how the heck i couldn't compile my program that uses gconf-client.h..when i had a installed software such as advanced backlight that uses it20:34
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javispedrolibgconf2 provides the library itself (already compiled applications only need that)20:35
javispedrolibgconf2-dev provides include files and other things you need to compile software which uses the library20:35
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z4chhnewbie developer mistake :\20:36
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z4chhthanks javispedro20:37
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javispedro~seen ShadowJK20:46
infobotshadowjk is currently on #maemo #nslu2-linux #openslug. Has said a total of 123 messages. Is idling for 20h 6m 15s, last said: 'I guess when with cpu idle, screen, bluetooth, wlan, gps, usb and audio off the battery lasts a week or more, there was no need for STR :)'.20:46
javispedroShadowJK, I already got the free Openttd data files in extras-devel20:46
javispedroseems they are way more complete than I expected20:47
javispedroand fully GPLv2 :)20:47
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RST38hjavis: I tried installing OpenTTD from Extras, it seemed to install but did not run :(20:53
RST38hGoing to try again in a moment, after cleaning the tablet20:54
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RST38hjavis: Nope, it does not run20:57
wjs_ltop Hello, is there a package somewhere that contains kernel modules not normally needed/installed?  Like the CDRom module, USB Modems,...20:57
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RST38hjavis: What is the executable name anyway?20:58
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RST38hFails with "Error: Cannot open file ''21:00
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RST38hOk, made it run: it is missing the data21:01
RST38hjavis: Millions of thanks for the proper scrolling mechanism21:02
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javispedroXChat does not blink if you call me by "javis" only (even though I believe I configured it to do so) ;)21:05
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javispedroRST38h: yes, the extras version requires commercial data or installing the (for now) extras-devel opengfx package21:06
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javispedrokinetic rules21:07
javispedroa few days ago I would've called it a gimmick21:07
javispedrobut must admit, one can really get used to that21:08
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javispedrothe algorithm I used is based on HildonPannableArea's21:09
javispedro(which is btw based on OpenMoko's. open source rules.)21:09
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javispedro(kinetic scrolling is only implemented in the extras-devel version, just in case you're wondering why it does not work :D)21:10
RST38hjavis: The version in Extras does not appear to have kinetic and still rules21:13
RST38hjavis: definitely needs bigger window titles though21:14
RST38hjavis: also, close icon (top right corner) should quit app unconditionally21:14
javispedrothis last one should be easy to fix21:14
RST38hjavis: ESC key (the one with back arrow) should probably bring up Quit dialog21:15
RST38hOr a game top menu if it exists21:15
javispedroi stopped trying to get bigger widgets when I noticed not only I would need to review each form definition but also most ui graphics21:16
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RST38hwell there is a way to avoid that21:17
RST38hdouble the size.21:17
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javispedrothough about that21:17
javispedroenabling the xsp while drawing most windows21:17
RST38hno, really, doubled size will be just right really21:17
javispedrobut disabling it while drawing main window21:17
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ukkijavispedro: you are putting too much effort into it, the maemo way is "if it compiles and runs, release and move on"21:21
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javispedrowell, that proves I still have a lot to learn :D21:26
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* RST38h meaningfully swings a baseball bat in ukki's direction =)21:32
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RST38hDell accidentally sells 140,000 monitors for $15 a pop21:46
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Proteoussomehow I missed that deal21:47
RST38hIt happened in .TW21:48
RST38hSo no wonder21:48
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javispedrothis remembers me when I RMA'd my 17'' LCD , Dell called me to verify "If I would accept a monitor with equal or better specs than the one I sent them", then received a 23'' LCD Box.... with the very same 17'' LCD inside.21:50
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RST38hjavis: When autosave enabled, the game periodically throws up messages "autosave failed"22:03
RST38hjavis: also does not seem to have the app icon, let me know if you want to know how to add one22:03
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javispedrowha? it has the icon, i assure you22:19
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javispedrois it 0.7.1?22:19
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auntieNeoso uh, can maemo suspend the device? silly question :P22:31
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auntieNeoI haven't seen any suspend modes in any videos22:32
lbtauntieNeo: yes it can22:33
lbtno-one uses it22:33
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auntieNeowhy not?22:34
lbtas it happens I mentioned it yesterday... you can look in /etc/mce/mce.ini22:34
lbtas someone said... it lasts for a week on just low power mode22:34
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lbtwho needs suspend ;)22:34
auntieNeopeople who need it to last two weeks? xD22:34
lbthence /etc/mce/mce.ini22:34
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lbtmurrayc: meant to say thanks BTW22:53
murraycFor what?22:54
lbtyou had an Eddie Reader CD on your blog site...22:54
murraycIt's very good, isn't it.22:54
lbtit is...22:54
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murraycI had it on near constant play for a couple of months.22:55
lbtWe saw her live about a year ago22:55
murraycThat must have been fun. I've never seen her.22:55
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lbtshe's different :)22:55
murraycShe's Scots.22:55
lbtgreat night thoug22:55
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lbtmy wife's a bit of a music expert22:56
lbtand was very impressed at the way she had set them22:56
lbtto essentially 'period' music22:57
lbtvery true to the times22:57
lbtI just enjoyed it :)22:57
lbtAlso.... what did you think about using a SmartQ as a remote display for a beagleboard?22:57
murraycIbt John McClusker seems to be responsible for that. I must follow up on him.22:58
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lbtit was initially tongue in cheek... but actually I'd like to hear if it's viable22:58
murraycI had never heard of SmartQ until yesterday.22:58
lbtwell goshawk who hangs around here22:59
lbtimports them to Europe22:59
lbt210 euros for a 7" N80022:59
lbtanyhow... just an idea....23:00
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ShadowJKAny of the smartq owners benchmarked the wlan on it yet?23:11
ShadowJKOn N8x0 it seems to max out at about 800kbyte/s with massive CPU use23:11
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Macerdo atoms run 64bit?23:37
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johnsqMacer: yes23:41
ShadowJKSome of them don't23:44
Maceri was going to sell my macbook and get a netbook23:45
Macerwas just curious23:45
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johnsqMacer: no netbook, they are slow23:45
Macerbut they are a lot smaller23:45
Macerand 1.6GHz to 2.13GHz ..?23:45
Maceri think i can handle the lack of speed.. i'm sure opensolaris will make up for the speed loss23:46
MacerOR MAYBE.. i'll put mer on it :-D23:46
ShadowJKAtom N2XX does NOT do 64bit. Atom Z5XX does NOT do 64bit. Atom 220 and Atom 330 DOES support 64bit.23:46
ShadowJKkeep in mind that a core2 at 1GHz is probably as fast as Atom at 2Ghz :)23:47
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Macerbut probably sucks up 4x the power23:47
johnsqcore2 solo23:47
Macerand gives off 4x the heat23:48
Macereither way. i want to get rid of this damn macbook23:48
ShadowJKjohnsq, right23:48
* Macer goes to use his ebay account he hasn't used in YEARS23:48
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Macerdamn i don't even remember my login or password haha23:48
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ShadowJKgenuinely dual core, the OS sees 4 CPUs :P23:49
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Macerwoah! awesome.23:55
Maceri remembered my ebay login/password23:55
Proteousgood luck selling compuer hardware on ebay23:56
Proteousbe prepared to have some nigerian win every auction you post23:56
Proteousthen ask you to cash a $10,00 check and send the laptop and the rest of the money to his "son" in nigeria23:56
Proteouspretty much23:56
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Maceroh cmon. it can't be that bad23:57
Maceri've bought things from ebay before :)23:57
Proteousheh, maybe not, you'll find out23:57
Macernever sold anything though23:57
Macerbought a G3 a while back23:57
Maceri thought ebay doesn't allow for negative uhm23:57
Macerwhat's the word i'm looking for...23:57
Macernegative feedback about sellers?23:58
Maceri could try craigslist but i am not selling underage girls as prostitutes23:58
Proteoustry ebay, let me know how it goes23:59
ProteousI'm curious23:59
Proteousmaybe it's better now23:59

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