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| caotic | what is the n810 equivalent state for wait mode ( minimum battery consumption, but not completely off ) ? | 00:23 |
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| tds5016 | how do I see what packages I've installed with apt-get? | 00:24 |
| qwerty12_N810 | dpkg -l | 00:24 |
| tds5016 | how can I check the last let's say 50 packages I've installed? | 00:25 |
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| lbt | tds5016: you can't .... unless you have a log | 00:27 |
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| kkrusty | what do I need to install in order to get edje_cc? the sdk? | 00:29 |
| tds5016 | not being able to get to a | key is really pissing me off too... | 00:29 |
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| tds5016 | I want to see ONLY the packages that _I've_ installed. | 00:29 |
| ShadowJK | press CHR | 00:29 |
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| ShadowJK | for pipe | 00:29 |
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| tds5016 | thanks. that is such a random place to put it. | 00:30 |
| tds5016 | considering it's a linux distro you think they'd make it easy to find. haha. | 00:31 |
| ShadowJK | You can put it next to the page up page down ctrl thing onscreen | 00:32 |
| ShadowJK | menu -> tools -> settings -> Toolbar shortcut | 00:32 |
| ShadowJK | New | 00:32 |
| ShadowJK | Title: | | 00:32 |
| ShadowJK | Value: bar | 00:32 |
| ShadowJK | the "bar" thing is important :) | 00:33 |
| kkrusty | this has got to be the most helpful channel on freenode | 00:33 |
| kkrusty | thanks a lot buddies | 00:33 |
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| ShadowJK | caotic, there's a suspend to ram mode, but it's not used | 00:35 |
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| lbt | ShadowJK: isn't it? | 00:36 |
| lbt | 'soft poweroff' ? | 00:36 |
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| ShadowJK | ? | 00:37 |
| lbt | when I press the power button I get an extended menu | 00:37 |
| lbt | and it has soft poweroff on it | 00:37 |
| ShadowJK | dunno who made that and what they made it do | 00:37 |
| lbt | a config item somewhere IIRC | 00:37 |
| ShadowJK | you can suspend to ram from FTD too | 00:38 |
| Guest1604_948 | my line issue is /usr/bin/fakeroot: 166: debian/rules: Permission denied dpkg-buildpackage: failure: fakeroot debian/rules clean gave error exit status 126 | 00:38 |
| Guest1604_948 | any clue | 00:38 |
| ShadowJK | but the device doesn't use STR by default out of the box :) | 00:38 |
| lbt | I've had it do something along those lines when charging IIRC | 00:38 |
| lbt | but no biggy :) | 00:39 |
| lbt | just interesting | 00:39 |
| ShadowJK | I guess when with cpu idle, screen, bluetooth, wlan, gps, usb and audio off the battery lasts a week or more, there was no need for STR :) | 00:40 |
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| lbt | very true | 00:42 |
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| lbt | ShadowJK: in /etc/mce/mce.ini | 00:45 |
| Guest1604_948 | ;( | 00:45 |
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| kkrusty | lbt: thanks. sorry for the sarcasm outburst. I figured out the edje_cc part and I'll install those packages on a vm | 00:49 |
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| lbt | np :) | 00:49 |
| kkrusty | Im just trying canola-rtm | 00:50 |
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| tds5016 | has oneone in here ever worked with darwin streaming server? | 00:50 |
| lbt | I'm a bit out of touch on the scratchbox side... it's all OBS at the moment | 00:51 |
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| edrex | right place for mer devs? | 00:55 |
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| lbt | edrex: try #mer | 00:56 |
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| lbt | edrex: you wanted Mer devs? | 01:02 |
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| caotic | this may sound silly, but is there an alternative for the n810 to alt+f2 (run command ) ? | 02:05 |
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| GeneralAntilles | timeless_mbp, ping? | 02:37 |
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| * GeneralAntilles notes muscle memory is kicking in with the fingerkeyboard more than even a real keyboard. | 02:42 | |
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| GeneralAntilles | Oh, you have to be fucking shitting me. | 02:58 |
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| daniel32708 | guys, it would be so cool to have multi-usser support, with a login screen and stuff | 03:12 |
| daniel32708 | it shouldnt be that hard to achieve | 03:12 |
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| daniel32708 | what do u think? | 03:14 |
| LinuxCode | go on then, make one | 03:14 |
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| daniel32708 | lol | 03:14 |
| daniel32708 | i am not a hacker | 03:14 |
| daniel32708 | i wish i were | 03:14 |
| LinuxCode | then become one and then make one | 03:15 |
| daniel32708 | has anyone tried it? or is it planned? | 03:15 |
| * LinuxCode glares at GA | 03:15 | |
| daniel32708 | also, is it possible to install stuff in the external sd card? the internal memory aint that much | 03:16 |
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| caoticM | what shell does the n810 uses ? | 03:20 |
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| qwerty12_N810 | It says "BusyBox v1.6.1 (2008-09-18 09:43:17 EEST) Built-in shell (ash)" at right at the top when you open a terminal... | 03:22 |
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| caoticM | this is embarassing :p | 03:23 |
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| daniel32708 | is it possible to install stuff in the external sd card? the internal memory aint that much | 03:26 |
| daniel32708 | software, etc | 03:26 |
| daniel32708 | if yes, how? if not, why? | 03:27 |
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| crashanddie | daniel32708, you can install the root on the sd card | 03:31 |
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| caoticM | daniel32708: dirty trick, play with ln links and instalation directories | 03:35 |
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| GeneralAntilles | LinuxCode, no PPC version of flasher-3.5 | 03:35 |
| GeneralAntilles | I'm going to start killing Nokians. | 03:35 |
| LinuxCode | GeneralAntilles, haha | 03:35 |
| LinuxCode | kill one for me for not releasing details to me about when the new device is out | 03:35 |
| LinuxCode | Im desperate for a new phone | 03:35 |
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| daniel32708 | crashanddie and caoticM : thx 4 reply! | 04:28 |
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| Macer | was lois and clark any good? | 04:45 |
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| daniel32708 | maemo rules | 04:47 |
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| JasonWoof | how do I set up NAT? (I want my n810 (with Diablo) to share its internet connection over USB | 07:29 |
| JasonWoof | I used apt-get to install "iptables" and "iptables-ext" | 07:29 |
| JasonWoof | every other tutorial I can find talks about installing kernel modules with modprobe but: 1) modprobe dies with this message "modprobe: cannot parse modules.dep" and 2) there don't seem to be any kernel modules for ipt_MASQUERADE anyway | 07:30 |
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| ukki | JasonWoof: i tried it a while back, but didn't get it working properly | 07:36 |
| JasonWoof | I don't understand why the kernel modules aren't in the iptables package | 07:36 |
| JasonWoof | I've tried a few times, and gone to great lengths | 07:36 |
| ukki | i built all the modules etc, dns/udp seemed to work, but tcp didn't | 07:36 |
| JasonWoof | A while back I participated in a forum thread where someone claimed to have it working, but even after installing his kernel modules, I couldn't get NAT working | 07:37 |
| ukki | i have an identical setup with my other linux box and it works ok so it wasn't because of my double nat | 07:38 |
| ukki | ah but this was os2006 sorry | 07:39 |
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| thux | morning | 08:43 |
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| caotic | would setting a user password, change or break n810 applications ? | 09:45 |
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| Meizirkki | caotic, nope | 09:48 |
| Meizirkki | bzf vai? | 09:48 |
| Meizirkki | sori väärä ikkuna | 09:48 |
| Meizirkki | sorry wrong window | 09:48 |
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| caotic | i could tell :P | 09:49 |
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| taolan | hello,everyone | 10:40 |
| taolan | In maemo devolopment,i can't open new browser window, | 10:40 |
| taolan | is there anyone who know about this? | 10:41 |
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| auntieNeo | did they stop making maemo live CD's? the one I found seems to be old... | 10:43 |
| auntieNeo | I don't want to have to mess with debs on all my non-debian boxen :( | 10:43 |
| taolan | I have no internet applications | 10:44 |
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| X-Fade | auntieNeo: http://maemovmware.garage.maemo.org/ | 10:45 |
| taolan | i have install all packages ralative to maemo devolopment,but i still don't have internet applications | 10:45 |
| X-Fade | auntieNeo: Or better http://maemovmware.garage.maemo.org/beta1/ | 10:45 |
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| aquatix | morning all | 10:49 |
| danielwilms | taolan: the browser is not part of the SDK | 10:49 |
| Meizirkki | morning aquatix | 10:49 |
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| taolan | danielwilms,i know it,thanks but how should install it. | 10:54 |
| taolan | i want to install a browser | 10:54 |
| taolan | because i want to install the chinese font and make the font displayed on the label. | 10:55 |
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| taolan | Now it doesn't display the chinese fonts | 10:56 |
| RST38h | More info on the Nokia Mako is out | 10:57 |
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| danielwilms | taolan: what does not show the chinese fonts? and which label? | 10:57 |
| RST38h | *FOUR* row keyboard. | 10:57 |
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| RST38h | Shit, why not just make a 800x480 version of the Mako??? | 10:58 |
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| auntieNeo | heh, it seems nokia keeps making their devices better and worse at the same time xD | 10:58 |
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| RST38h | Not Nokia, N-series group | 10:59 |
| auntieNeo | mmm | 10:59 |
| RST38h | Plain four-digit Nokia devices are getting consistently better | 10:59 |
| RST38h | S60, more features, no crappy silvery coating, lower prices | 11:00 |
| RST38h | Mako is actually Nokia 6790, a normal consumer grade device | 11:01 |
| taolan | The label is a GtkWidget on which i want to display chinese | 11:01 |
| RST38h | So is 5800 | 11:01 |
| suihkulokki | RST38h: E-series has nice stuff too. But N-series is really kinda "beta-series" | 11:01 |
| auntieNeo | I'm still waiting for my N810 to arrive :s | 11:01 |
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| X-Fade | taolan: Do you have chinese fonts installed? | 11:02 |
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| taolan | Now i can't install chinese fonts | 11:02 |
| RST38h | suihkulokki: E-series killed my E70, replacing it with clealry inferior E75, so I have got a personal grudge there =) | 11:02 |
| taolan | i don't know how to install it . | 11:03 |
| RST38h | suihkulokki: No personal grudges against N-series, just disappointment at why they can't get a few simple things right | 11:03 |
| auntieNeo | taolan: i think you want this: http://maemocjk.garage.maemo.org/index.html | 11:03 |
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| taolan | thanks maybe i should have a look | 11:04 |
| X-Fade | taolan: chinese is not supported by default, so you have to install some extra components. | 11:04 |
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| taolan | yeah. | 11:04 |
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| RST38h | suihkulokki: Saving some popcorn to watch what Maemo Devices will do with their own design team, may end up with something cool | 11:04 |
| auntieNeo | I bought an N810 for only two things... SSH and Japanese dictionaries :P | 11:05 |
| auntieNeo | except, I have to port the dictionary app myself <_< | 11:05 |
| taolan | Now i just don't know how to install the components. | 11:05 |
| auntieNeo | that site I linked to has some .install files... I thought maemo used .deb? | 11:06 |
| taolan | i download the file ttf-chinese.install and can't install it. | 11:06 |
| taolan | yeah i think maemo only can install .deb file | 11:07 |
| X-Fade | auntieNeo: If you download .install files on the device, it will open the application manager and install the correct debs. | 11:07 |
| auntieNeo | mmm | 11:07 |
| auntieNeo | wish I had a device to test it :P | 11:07 |
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| auntieNeo | two more days... I can wait :[ | 11:07 |
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| taolan | how to intall .install files using application manager after i download it to my device | 11:09 |
| auntieNeo | taolan: I think you're supposed to chose "open" when you download it... | 11:10 |
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| auntieNeo | in the download dialog | 11:10 |
| danielwilms | yep, just open it, don't save it when you download | 11:11 |
| taolan | but i don't have a browser to link | 11:11 |
| danielwilms | ahhh | 11:11 |
| danielwilms | i forgot that you are not on the device...sorry | 11:12 |
| auntieNeo | heh, ah :P | 11:12 |
| taolan | yeah i am just using a sdk | 11:12 |
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| danielwilms | then you can add it to the sources.list...just a second | 11:14 |
| taolan | the sdk doesn't provide any appliction and i wan't to get a source.list | 11:14 |
| X-Fade | taolan: The application manager should be there? | 11:14 |
| taolan | yeah | 11:15 |
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| X-Fade | Just add the repository there? | 11:15 |
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| taolan | which option? | 11:15 |
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| taolan | you mean applicaton manager-->tools-->application catalogue | 11:16 |
| taolan | Now whether i should install a browser or not? | 11:19 |
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| taolan | I see a lot of application which can be installed by taping a icon after loging a url | 11:21 |
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| danielwilms | application catalogue -> new | 11:24 |
| danielwilms | then choose a name | 11:24 |
| danielwilms | add the repository you find in the .install file | 11:25 |
| danielwilms | with the web-address | 11:25 |
| taolan | X-Fade:maybe my application manager has something wrong.do you konw how i should install it again? thanks. | 11:25 |
| danielwilms | the distribution and the user | 11:26 |
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| taolan | danielwilms:you mean where i can add web-address. | 11:26 |
| taolan | what do you mean, danilelwilms? i am a newbie to maemo. | 11:27 |
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| taolan | thanks | 11:27 |
| danielwilms | when you click on "new" in the application catalogue window | 11:28 |
| taolan | yeah | 11:28 |
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| taolan | Now i add the web-address,but it seems to no response | 11:29 |
| taolan | it doesn't work. | 11:29 |
| danielwilms | wait wait wait...which web-address did you enter | 11:29 |
| danielwilms | ?? | 11:29 |
| taolan | i think it has something with the appliction manager | 11:29 |
| taolan | wait a moment. | 11:30 |
| taolan | can you give me a web-address you can use? | 11:31 |
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| taolan | i can test whether my application manager is useful | 11:31 |
| taolan | whether i should configure my internet or not? | 11:33 |
| taolan | it seems not to connect to internet. | 11:33 |
| danielwilms | wait a sec please | 11:34 |
| taolan | ok | 11:34 |
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| taolan | In fact,i am devoloping handwriting and the result i recognize is chinese. i can't let the result displayed on a widget like GtkLabel. | 11:37 |
| taolan | Maybe i should install chinese components,but i don't know how to intall it like chinese fonts. | 11:38 |
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| taolan | In maemo sdk,how to install application. | 11:45 |
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| danielwilms | sorry...just had a prob with the client | 11:47 |
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| danielwilms | taolan: but anyway...you cannot install it that easily in the sdk | 11:48 |
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| taolan | yeah. | 11:48 |
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| danielwilms | because there is no x86 build | 11:48 |
| danielwilms | do you have a device?? | 11:49 |
| taolan | i have no device | 11:49 |
| RST38h | Get a device first. | 11:50 |
| taolan | i am graduating and know a little about maemo. | 11:50 |
| taolan | thanks danielwilms | 11:50 |
| RST38h | Debugging on the emulator is not the same, lots of things just won't work. | 11:50 |
| taolan | thank you for your patience. | 11:50 |
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| sarower | Every body, Good Afternoon! | 11:51 |
| sarower | i am interested to develop plug-in for maemo device. Are not there any C++ support for this? | 11:52 |
| sarower | I am looking for this... so far i have found all written in C! | 11:53 |
| sarower | any body please! | 11:53 |
| taolan | gtkmm | 11:53 |
| X-Fade | sarower: http://maemomm.garage.maemo.org/ | 11:53 |
| * RST38h sighs | 11:53 | |
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| RST38h | X-Fade: Ah cool =) | 11:54 |
| sarower | RST38h: sighs? | 11:54 |
| lbt | sarower: or a _proper_ solution : http://qt4.garage.maemo.org/ | 11:54 |
| sarower | for me? | 11:54 |
| lbt | ;) | 11:54 |
| X-Fade | RST38h: Maemomm is actually in a pretty good shape :) | 11:54 |
| RST38h | Hey, sarower, would you consider a trade? | 11:55 |
| RST38h | lbt: That is -10MB in / though, for a proper solution =) | 11:55 |
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| lbt | disk is cheap | 11:55 |
| RST38h | lbt: Not Maemo's / | 11:56 |
| lbt | oh wait, we have no disk | 11:56 |
| sarower | RST38h: thats no need, others are kind. they are cooperating me... | 11:56 |
| RST38h | Well, we do have one, just a tiny one unfortunately | 11:56 |
| RST38h | sarower: Oh, I think you will find it a good trade | 11:56 |
| * lbt has N800 ... no space issues :) | 11:56 | |
| sarower | RST38h: Oh please.. i no need! | 11:56 |
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| RST38h | I appear to have a *sample desktop plugin* project which I have done for qwerty12 | 11:57 |
| RST38h | The plugin does not do much, but it is fully functional | 11:57 |
| RST38h | Just unpack tgx file, fill in your own code, and compile | 11:57 |
| RST38h | tgz | 11:57 |
| sarower | lbt: Is there any support for home area plug-in development in QT? | 11:57 |
| RST38h | lbt: You still have limited / | 11:58 |
| RST38h | sarower: So, do you want this project or not? | 11:58 |
| lbt | sarower: no, it's not the right choice for applets AFAIK | 11:59 |
| lbt | RST38h: who doesn't in this finite universe of ours? | 11:59 |
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| RST38h | lbt: God? =) | 11:59 |
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| lbt | exactly... no-one :P | 12:00 |
| * RST38h divides lbt by 0, here, unlimited / | 12:00 | |
| sarower | X-Fade: there are many referrence which one is the appropriate for plug-in development in C++? | 12:00 |
| lbt | how are the gtkmm reference docs? I found them..... painful | 12:01 |
| X-Fade | sarower: Depends on where you want to plug in to. | 12:01 |
| sarower | plug-in for internet tablet....in the home area... | 12:02 |
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| sarower | like FM radio, RSS feed Reader etc... | 12:02 |
| X-Fade | That is hildon desktop. | 12:03 |
| sarower | X-Fade! | 12:03 |
| sarower | yah i know.. but it is C based.. | 12:04 |
| sarower | Are there any C++ support of hildon desktop? | 12:04 |
| sarower | X-Fade? | 12:04 |
| lbt | sarower: it's all gtk based | 12:04 |
| sarower | hm.. oh my god... | 12:05 |
| lbt | gtkmm is a C++ interface to gtk framework | 12:05 |
| X-Fade | sarower: hilldonmm | 12:05 |
| RST38h | Hehe, I did not sigh for nothign :) | 12:05 |
| X-Fade | *hildonmm | 12:05 |
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| sarower | X-Fade: hmm....but i need some sample in hildonmm......... | 12:05 |
| lbt | X-Fade: hildonmm is gtkmm+ C++ wrapper over libhildon ? | 12:06 |
| sarower | i do not find any such sample or example code | 12:06 |
| lbt | sarower: C++ is a 2nd class language for hildon... | 12:06 |
| RST38h | sarower, I will give you a complete sample of desktop plugin written in C | 12:06 |
| X-Fade | lbt: C++ bindings for hildon? | 12:06 |
| lbt | you will be embarking on a voyage of discovery | 12:06 |
| RST38h | It includes dpkg configuration and runs on Maemo desktop | 12:07 |
| RST38h | Do you want it? | 12:07 |
| sarower | RST38h: it ok | 12:07 |
| RST38h | I will just want 1 (one) thing in exchange | 12:07 |
| RST38h | And it is not money | 12:07 |
| sarower | ok | 12:07 |
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| RST38h | You should promise to restrict yourself to talk.mameo.org and maemo developers mailing list for questions about developing the plugin | 12:08 |
| RST38h | Is it ok? | 12:08 |
| sarower | i already have a question there... | 12:09 |
| sarower | in the talk.mameo.org | 12:09 |
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| RST38h | Good. My point is that you should promise to avoid pestering people on #maemo with so many questions. | 12:09 |
| RST38h | Can you promise that? | 12:09 |
| sarower | yah.. but i must have the access.... and some time i may log in here.... | 12:10 |
| sarower | and some / few question | 12:10 |
| RST38h | Logging here is fine, no problem with that. Talking is fine. | 12:10 |
| RST38h | Pestering people with a lot of questions for hours is not fine. | 12:10 |
| sarower | yah... i will maintain the rules... | 12:10 |
| RST38h | So, do you promise? | 12:10 |
| sarower | ha ha ha haaaaaaaaa... fine... | 12:10 |
| RST38h | Ok. Your email address then? | 12:10 |
| sarower | you are very interesting.. man! | 12:11 |
| sarower | shimul279@yahoo.com | 12:12 |
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| sarower | RST38h.. ok? | 12:13 |
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| RST38h | Sent. | 12:13 |
| sarower | RST38h: what is your name please..? | 12:13 |
| RST38h | sarower: Use /whois | 12:13 |
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| sarower | please tell | 12:14 |
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| sarower | can i mail you when i fetch some problem..? | 12:15 |
| sarower | regarding my job? | 12:15 |
| sarower | RST38h? | 12:15 |
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| RST38h | sarower: You just promised something, didn't you? | 12:15 |
| RST38h | sarower: Post your questions to talk.maemo.org and maemo developers mailing list. If nobody answers, then nobody knows. | 12:16 |
| sarower | RST38h: Ok man... Kool! I understood! | 12:17 |
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| sarower | RST38h: Friendship...? | 12:20 |
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| waswas | Does anyone know, is it possible to make window with GTK and use SDL (for graphics) inside little box | 12:31 |
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| RST38h | Not in Maemo, afaik. | 12:33 |
| RST38h | But doable in desktop Linux. | 12:33 |
| waswas | ic | 12:33 |
| waswas | Thanks | 12:33 |
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| adeus | I think there is some sql/opengl ports to maemo out there | 12:40 |
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| wazd | Hello Maemo :) | 12:59 |
| RST38h | Hello wazd | 13:00 |
| wazd | RST38h: hooah, my sister has chosen asus u2e, leather baby, http://pics.rbc.ru/img/cnews/2008/03/06/gsas1.jpg | 13:01 |
| wazd | RST38h: also she is considering asus s6f but it looks a bit like old fasioned soviet case :D http://www.ixbt.com/video2/images/g80/asus_s6f.jpg | 13:03 |
| RST38h | wait, are they real laptops? | 13:03 |
| wazd | RST38h: ultraportables :) | 13:03 |
| RST38h | Atom? | 13:03 |
| wazd | RST38h: with core2duo and stuff | 13:03 |
| RST38h | Ah,Core2 shoudl be ok | 13:03 |
| RST38h | But Atom is going to be 1/3 of Core2 performance | 13:04 |
| wazd | RST38h: u2e has a bit slow core2duo 1.2 Ghz only | 13:04 |
| wazd | RST38h: s6f is fine but I can't find it in Moscow and it looks slightly funny :) | 13:05 |
| RST38h | wazd: s6f looks ok to me, just a bit heavy probably | 13:06 |
| RST38h | Also, I do not think 1.2GHz Core2 is slow, it pulls applications just fine, and you won't play games on it anyway | 13:07 |
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| wazd | RST38h: yep | 13:07 |
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| Jaffa | Morning, all | 13:37 |
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| lcuk | mornin jaffa | 13:43 |
| lbt | o/ | 13:46 |
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| lcuk | hey lbt \o | 13:48 |
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| RST38h | http://www.phpguru.org/static/html5-canvas-examples | 14:14 |
| RST38h | (somebody at Adobe is counting days until the end of Flash) | 14:15 |
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| aquatix | RST38h: i help him counting | 14:16 |
| RST38h | aquatix: actually, that was wrong reaction | 14:17 |
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| RST38h | aquatix: right reaction is to ask Nokia guys if they are going to support html5 in Fremantle browser =) | 14:17 |
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| RST38h | Because from what this page shows, it looks like the canvas is going to be the magic bullet =) | 14:18 |
| aquatix | ah :) | 14:18 |
| aquatix | well | 14:18 |
| lcuk | performance? overhead? | 14:19 |
| aquatix | if fremantle browser is based on the gecko version of Fx 3.5 or higher, or modern webkit, we're good | 14:19 |
| RST38h | lcuk: not much different from Flash. | 14:19 |
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| RST38h | lcuk: In fact, this stuff is kinda similar to flash - it has also got JavaScript (ECMAScript in flash, same thing), the canvas, the persistent storage | 14:19 |
| RST38h | lcuk: Only it requires no Adobe to run :) | 14:20 |
| lcuk | yeah but this is sandboxed | 14:20 |
| RST38h | lcuk: And Flash is not? :) | 14:20 |
| * aquatix hopes flash is sandboxed | 14:20 | |
| lcuk | apologies, wrong description, errmm its interpreted | 14:20 |
| aquatix | but watching my Fx die now and then, i think not too well | 14:20 |
| RST38h | lcuk: Click right mouse button on an embedded flash object and click on Options - you will see how flash is sandboxed | 14:20 |
| qtomu | all: Are there any instructions to install qt libraries (latest sources) on device say N810? (I tried to google but could not manage to find any useful ) | 14:21 |
| RST38h | lcuk: Dunno about Flash, but Mozilla uses JIT for JS | 14:21 |
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| lcuk | qtomu, http://qt4.garage.maemo.org/ | 14:21 |
| RST38h | aquatix: Ah they will fix it eventually | 14:21 |
| RST38h | aquatix: Can't be worse than Flash doing gettimeofday() in a tight loop | 14:22 |
| aquatix | haha, indeed | 14:22 |
| lcuk | it might just work nicely | 14:22 |
| lcuk | but for now, i know that i can safely block flash - do i start having to block parts of html? | 14:23 |
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| aquatix | lcuk: i think it could be part of the browser's settings | 14:23 |
| qtomu | lcuk: thnx but I need not qt applications but rather qt4.6 libraries to be installed on device... I have browsed the link but could not find the relavant info | 14:24 |
| aquatix | `enable rich content' or something | 14:24 |
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| RST38h | lcuk: You probably won't | 14:24 |
| lcuk | qtomu, trying to help, qt is not official and part of the sdk (yet). ask lbt | 14:24 |
| RST38h | Hehe, Al Franken won :) | 14:25 |
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| lbt | qtomu: we're running 4.5.2 on the device atm... look in http://gitorious.org/qt-maemo to track | 14:40 |
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| lbt | qtomu: you want to run this under Diablo ? | 14:41 |
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| thopiekar | lbt, qtomu: using qt with python by pyqt4 is very slow atm.. | 14:52 |
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| lbt | latest qt-maemo thopiekar | 14:52 |
| thopiekar | .. that what i've tested | 14:52 |
| thopiekar | yes.. | 14:52 |
| thopiekar | , lbt | 14:52 |
| lbt | try a quick run using -graphicsengine native | 14:53 |
| thopiekar | how should I enable this in python? | 14:53 |
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| lbt | hmm, can you run a native C++ qt application ... it seems to affect the whole framework | 14:54 |
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| thopiekar | could it be that its slower because it has to redesign my ui? because my app has a window size of 600x500.. | 14:55 |
| lbt | unlikely | 14:56 |
| thopiekar | btw.. whats the size of the window if it is in normal view.. | 14:56 |
| thopiekar | also not fullscreen? | 14:56 |
| lbt | you shouldn't care | 14:56 |
| thopiekar | k | 14:57 |
| lbt | 800x600 full... no idea about smaller size :) | 14:57 |
| thopiekar | :) | 14:57 |
| ukki | anyone here with os x leopard? | 14:59 |
| thopiekar | no sorry... | 15:02 |
| thopiekar | :P | 15:03 |
| Macer | i never knew there was a punisher movie released last year | 15:04 |
| wazd | I've fixed high-end gaming mouse Microsoft Habu with a needle, lighter, screwdriver and a kitchen knife :D | 15:04 |
| wazd | oh, and some liquid nails :D | 15:04 |
| qtomu | lbt: I have already built latest sources of qt in scratchbox and at the moment trying to start up a sample qt application... on the other side I wanted to know how can I install the qt libraries to N810 once I got it build for arm target | 15:05 |
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| caotic | how can I free the internal memory card, I have no documents on it, just apps, (not that many actually) but already have a 4% free and I have a 16GB card in the slot that is 97% free | 15:42 |
| RST38h | caotic: Do you mean / or /media/mmc2 ? | 15:44 |
| RST38h | BTW, http://www.theregister.co.uk/2009/07/01/nokia_java_runtime/ | 15:46 |
| RST38h | Apparently, they managed to hog all the memory again, even on S60e5 | 15:46 |
| caotic | RST38h: /media/mmc2 | 15:47 |
| RST38h | caotic: Are you sure you have apps on /media/mmc2? It does not allow placing executable files there | 15:47 |
| aquatix | RST38h: interesting | 15:48 |
| caotic | I am not sure actually | 15:48 |
| caotic | just got the n810 yesterday and already have 92 MB free on / and 78 MB free on mmc2 | 15:49 |
| RST38h | caotic: ok, 92MB on / is ok | 15:49 |
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| RST38h | 78MB free on mmc2 is kinda abnormal but if you are in the US, it may be | 15:50 |
| johnsq | Hi | 15:50 |
| RST38h | caotic: do du /media/mmc2 | sort -rn |more | 15:50 |
| RST38h | caotic: This will show disk usage by directory name and sort the list so that the worst offenders are on top | 15:50 |
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| caotic | right | 15:51 |
| caotic | thanks :D always wondered how to fetch that info :D | 15:51 |
| RST38h | caotic: it may hang for a bit, as sort usually takes time | 15:52 |
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| caotic | maps is taking a big chuck, not really planning on using it unless I can stored on my external memory | 15:54 |
| caotic | RST38h: thanks a lot man | 15:54 |
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| Macer | what the hell | 15:56 |
| Macer | it was so hot last week you couldn't stay outside for more than 5 minutes without being drenched in your own sweat | 15:56 |
| Macer | and today it is in the 60s | 15:56 |
| RST38h | caotic: I would keep maps (would erase one coast if you are in the US though) | 15:57 |
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| RST38h | caotic: There are some sample videos and soundtracks though, kill those | 15:57 |
| caotic | RST38h: well, I am not in US ... so, there is no chance I will be visting zoon | 15:58 |
| caotic | mabe I should just ln ./maps to /media/mmc1/somethingelse | 15:59 |
| caotic | that may work | 15:59 |
| RST38h | caotic: mmc1 and mmc2 are basically equivalent, so there is no reason to worry too much about mmc2 | 15:59 |
| RST38h | just keep your stuff on mmc1, that's all | 15:59 |
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| caotic | RST38h: what do you mean by that ? | 16:01 |
| caotic | being equivalent | 16:01 |
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| RST38h | caotic: there is no advantage in keeping data on mmc2 rather than mmc1 | 16:01 |
| RST38h | caotic: any data that is | 16:01 |
| caotic | really, but when installing applications all memory consumed is from mmc2 isnt it ? | 16:02 |
| RST38h | no, applications install to / | 16:02 |
| RST38h | mmc2 can't even have executable files | 16:02 |
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| RST38h | Applications data (especially games data) may install to mmc1 or mmc2, there is usually a dialog letting you choose during installation | 16:03 |
| caotic | I see | 16:03 |
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| caotic | makes sense, but still is maps is taking almos 750 MB .. :P | 16:04 |
| caotic | err: 1.7 Gs thats a little excessive dont you think ? | 16:05 |
| johnsq | I made backup on pc, erased them and formated ext3 | 16:05 |
| RST38h | caotic: What country are you in? | 16:06 |
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| * RST38h does not remember any maps taking that much space, other than US (both coasts) | 16:06 | |
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| caotic | RST38h: mexico | 16:07 |
| RST38h | Run Map application and see what maps you have installed. If you have got US maps, discard them | 16:09 |
| RST38h | May want to back them up to a PC of course, just in case | 16:09 |
| caotic | east usa 784, west usa 725 .. that sounds right ? | 16:11 |
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| RST38h | yea | 16:14 |
| caotic | I think if I need them I ll just redownload, or is it a very slow servers (the ones serving the maps ) ? | 16:15 |
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| RST38h | no idea, it has been a while | 16:16 |
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| caotic | RST38h: right , thats ok | 16:17 |
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| caoticM | what you guys think of mp3tunes.com? is it all that usefull or the free account is not whort it ? | 16:26 |
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| sleeping | i have installed diablo 4.1.2,but i can't install Xserver properly | 16:59 |
| sleeping | Is there anyone who can help me out? | 16:59 |
| * lbt waves to sleeping | 17:05 | |
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| * GAN800 feels more and more like Nokia is repaying with "Really, we don't want your time or your business." | 17:17 | |
| RST38h | GAN: True but the sad thing is that this can be applied to just about any corporation nowadays | 17:18 |
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| andre__ | GAN800, specific examples (except for flasher for PPC)? | 17:39 |
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| z4chh | how can i get gconf-client.h? im pretty sure i have gconf installed ..im trying to compile a program that uses (#include <gconf/gconf-client.h>) but don't seem to have it....similar to: http://wiki.forum.nokia.com/index.php/Maemo:_Using_GConf | 20:28 |
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| javispedro | z4chh, on my diablo sdk installation that file is provided by libgconf2-dev package | 20:31 |
| javispedro | libgconf2-dev: /usr/include/gconf/2/gconf/gconf-client.h | 20:31 |
| z4chh | ahh | 20:32 |
| z4chh | that is the package i needed :| | 20:33 |
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| z4chh | i was wondering how the heck i couldn't compile my program that uses gconf-client.h..when i had a installed software such as advanced backlight that uses it | 20:34 |
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| javispedro | libgconf2 provides the library itself (already compiled applications only need that) | 20:35 |
| javispedro | libgconf2-dev provides include files and other things you need to compile software which uses the library | 20:35 |
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| z4chh | aye | 20:36 |
| z4chh | newbie developer mistake :\ | 20:36 |
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| z4chh | thanks javispedro | 20:37 |
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| javispedro | ~seen ShadowJK | 20:46 |
| infobot | shadowjk is currently on #maemo #nslu2-linux #openslug. Has said a total of 123 messages. Is idling for 20h 6m 15s, last said: 'I guess when with cpu idle, screen, bluetooth, wlan, gps, usb and audio off the battery lasts a week or more, there was no need for STR :)'. | 20:46 |
| javispedro | ShadowJK, I already got the free Openttd data files in extras-devel | 20:46 |
| javispedro | seems they are way more complete than I expected | 20:47 |
| javispedro | and fully GPLv2 :) | 20:47 |
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| RST38h | javis: I tried installing OpenTTD from Extras, it seemed to install but did not run :( | 20:53 |
| RST38h | Going to try again in a moment, after cleaning the tablet | 20:54 |
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| RST38h | javis: Nope, it does not run | 20:57 |
| wjs_ltop | Hello, is there a package somewhere that contains kernel modules not normally needed/installed? Like the CDRom module, USB Modems,... | 20:57 |
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| RST38h | javis: What is the executable name anyway? | 20:58 |
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| RST38h | Fails with "Error: Cannot open file 'sample.cat' | 21:00 |
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| RST38h | Ok, made it run: it is missing the data | 21:01 |
| RST38h | javis: Millions of thanks for the proper scrolling mechanism | 21:02 |
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| javispedro | XChat does not blink if you call me by "javis" only (even though I believe I configured it to do so) ;) | 21:05 |
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| javispedro | RST38h: yes, the extras version requires commercial data or installing the (for now) extras-devel opengfx package | 21:06 |
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| javispedro | kinetic rules | 21:07 |
| javispedro | a few days ago I would've called it a gimmick | 21:07 |
| javispedro | but must admit, one can really get used to that | 21:08 |
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| javispedro | the algorithm I used is based on HildonPannableArea's | 21:09 |
| javispedro | (which is btw based on OpenMoko's. open source rules.) | 21:09 |
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| javispedro | (kinetic scrolling is only implemented in the extras-devel version, just in case you're wondering why it does not work :D) | 21:10 |
| RST38h | javis: The version in Extras does not appear to have kinetic and still rules | 21:13 |
| RST38h | javis: definitely needs bigger window titles though | 21:14 |
| RST38h | javis: also, close icon (top right corner) should quit app unconditionally | 21:14 |
| javispedro | this last one should be easy to fix | 21:14 |
| RST38h | javis: ESC key (the one with back arrow) should probably bring up Quit dialog | 21:15 |
| RST38h | Or a game top menu if it exists | 21:15 |
| javispedro | i stopped trying to get bigger widgets when I noticed not only I would need to review each form definition but also most ui graphics | 21:16 |
| RST38h | oh | 21:16 |
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| RST38h | well there is a way to avoid that | 21:17 |
| RST38h | double the size. | 21:17 |
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| javispedro | though about that | 21:17 |
| javispedro | enabling the xsp while drawing most windows | 21:17 |
| RST38h | no, really, doubled size will be just right really | 21:17 |
| javispedro | but disabling it while drawing main window | 21:17 |
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| ukki | javispedro: you are putting too much effort into it, the maemo way is "if it compiles and runs, release and move on" | 21:21 |
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| javispedro | well, that proves I still have a lot to learn :D | 21:26 |
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| * RST38h meaningfully swings a baseball bat in ukki's direction =) | 21:32 | |
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| RST38h | Dell accidentally sells 140,000 monitors for $15 a pop | 21:46 |
| RST38h | Hehe | 21:46 |
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| Proteous | somehow I missed that deal | 21:47 |
| RST38h | It happened in .TW | 21:48 |
| RST38h | So no wonder | 21:48 |
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| javispedro | this remembers me when I RMA'd my 17'' LCD , Dell called me to verify "If I would accept a monitor with equal or better specs than the one I sent them", then received a 23'' LCD Box.... with the very same 17'' LCD inside. | 21:50 |
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| RST38h | javis: When autosave enabled, the game periodically throws up messages "autosave failed" | 22:03 |
| RST38h | javis: also does not seem to have the app icon, let me know if you want to know how to add one | 22:03 |
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| javispedro | wha? it has the icon, i assure you | 22:19 |
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| javispedro | is it 0.7.1? | 22:19 |
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| auntieNeo | so uh, can maemo suspend the device? silly question :P | 22:31 |
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| auntieNeo | I haven't seen any suspend modes in any videos | 22:32 |
| lbt | auntieNeo: yes it can | 22:33 |
| lbt | no-one uses it | 22:33 |
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| auntieNeo | why not? | 22:34 |
| lbt | as it happens I mentioned it yesterday... you can look in /etc/mce/mce.ini | 22:34 |
| auntieNeo | mmm | 22:34 |
| lbt | as someone said... it lasts for a week on just low power mode | 22:34 |
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| lbt | who needs suspend ;) | 22:34 |
| auntieNeo | lol | 22:34 |
| auntieNeo | people who need it to last two weeks? xD | 22:34 |
| lbt | hence /etc/mce/mce.ini | 22:34 |
| lbt | ;) | 22:34 |
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| lbt | murrayc: meant to say thanks BTW | 22:53 |
| murrayc | For what? | 22:54 |
| lbt | you had an Eddie Reader CD on your blog site... | 22:54 |
| murrayc | It's very good, isn't it. | 22:54 |
| lbt | it is... | 22:54 |
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| murrayc | I had it on near constant play for a couple of months. | 22:55 |
| lbt | We saw her live about a year ago | 22:55 |
| lbt | IIRC | 22:55 |
| murrayc | That must have been fun. I've never seen her. | 22:55 |
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| lbt | she's different :) | 22:55 |
| murrayc | She's Scots. | 22:55 |
| lbt | very | 22:55 |
| lbt | great night thoug | 22:55 |
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| lbt | my wife's a bit of a music expert | 22:56 |
| lbt | and was very impressed at the way she had set them | 22:56 |
| lbt | to essentially 'period' music | 22:57 |
| lbt | very true to the times | 22:57 |
| lbt | I just enjoyed it :) | 22:57 |
| lbt | Also.... what did you think about using a SmartQ as a remote display for a beagleboard? | 22:57 |
| murrayc | Ibt John McClusker seems to be responsible for that. I must follow up on him. | 22:58 |
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| lbt | it was initially tongue in cheek... but actually I'd like to hear if it's viable | 22:58 |
| murrayc | I had never heard of SmartQ until yesterday. | 22:58 |
| lbt | well goshawk who hangs around here | 22:59 |
| lbt | imports them to Europe | 22:59 |
| lbt | 210 euros for a 7" N800 | 22:59 |
| lbt | anyhow... just an idea.... | 23:00 |
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| ShadowJK | Any of the smartq owners benchmarked the wlan on it yet? | 23:11 |
| ShadowJK | On N8x0 it seems to max out at about 800kbyte/s with massive CPU use | 23:11 |
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| johnsq | Hi | 23:27 |
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| Macer | do atoms run 64bit? | 23:37 |
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| johnsq | Macer: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/X86-64 yes | 23:41 |
| ShadowJK | Some of them don't | 23:44 |
| Macer | i was going to sell my macbook and get a netbook | 23:45 |
| Macer | was just curious | 23:45 |
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| johnsq | Macer: no netbook, they are slow | 23:45 |
| Macer | but they are a lot smaller | 23:45 |
| Macer | and 1.6GHz to 2.13GHz ..? | 23:45 |
| Macer | :) | 23:45 |
| Macer | i think i can handle the lack of speed.. i'm sure opensolaris will make up for the speed loss | 23:46 |
| Macer | OR MAYBE.. i'll put mer on it :-D | 23:46 |
| ShadowJK | Atom N2XX does NOT do 64bit. Atom Z5XX does NOT do 64bit. Atom 220 and Atom 330 DOES support 64bit. | 23:46 |
| ShadowJK | keep in mind that a core2 at 1GHz is probably as fast as Atom at 2Ghz :) | 23:47 |
| Macer | lol | 23:47 |
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| Macer | but probably sucks up 4x the power | 23:47 |
| johnsq | core2 solo | 23:47 |
| Macer | and gives off 4x the heat | 23:48 |
| Macer | either way. i want to get rid of this damn macbook | 23:48 |
| ShadowJK | johnsq, right | 23:48 |
| * Macer goes to use his ebay account he hasn't used in YEARS | 23:48 | |
| Macer | lol | 23:48 |
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| Macer | damn i don't even remember my login or password haha | 23:48 |
| * ShadowJK has a dualcore atom on his desk | 23:49 | |
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| ShadowJK | genuinely dual core, the OS sees 4 CPUs :P | 23:49 |
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| Macer | woah! awesome. | 23:55 |
| Macer | i remembered my ebay login/password | 23:55 |
| Proteous | good luck selling compuer hardware on ebay | 23:56 |
| Macer | lol | 23:56 |
| Proteous | be prepared to have some nigerian win every auction you post | 23:56 |
| Macer | seriously? | 23:56 |
| Proteous | then ask you to cash a $10,00 check and send the laptop and the rest of the money to his "son" in nigeria | 23:56 |
| Proteous | pretty much | 23:56 |
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| Macer | oh cmon. it can't be that bad | 23:57 |
| Macer | i've bought things from ebay before :) | 23:57 |
| Proteous | heh, maybe not, you'll find out | 23:57 |
| Macer | never sold anything though | 23:57 |
| Proteous | laptops? | 23:57 |
| Macer | bought a G3 a while back | 23:57 |
| Macer | :) | 23:57 |
| Proteous | heh | 23:57 |
| Macer | i thought ebay doesn't allow for negative uhm | 23:57 |
| Macer | what's the word i'm looking for... | 23:57 |
| Macer | negative feedback about sellers? | 23:58 |
| Macer | i could try craigslist but i am not selling underage girls as prostitutes | 23:58 |
| Proteous | lol | 23:59 |
| Proteous | try ebay, let me know how it goes | 23:59 |
| Proteous | I'm curious | 23:59 |
| Proteous | maybe it's better now | 23:59 |
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