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tds5016can someone here tell me how I'd get google maps to work with the n810 and pygtk?00:09
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pupnikbah, "tear" crashin03:15
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b-man16i'm back06:34
pupniknow we know where to call-in the air-strike06:37
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xnt14ok w/e06:43
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ProteousBears, very, large, bears07:40
Proteousthat is all07:40
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RST38hEHLO all10:50
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Corsac_EHLO RST38h10:53
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pupniki have begun to wear off the silver on my n810 keyboard11:53
pupnikm and o11:54
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RST38hpupnik: a and e still holding up? =)12:18
pupnikyeah, fine12:19
pupnikmaybe my right thumb emits acid12:19
pupnikhow are you, rsalveti ?12:19
pupnikRST38h, ?12:19
RST38hslow and lazy today12:19
pupnikoh you remind me the shiitake needs to go in the basement...brb12:20
JaffaMorning, all12:21
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RST38hChinese Govt Outlaws Gold Farming heheh12:24
gomiamyeah, that's a funny one. Now only the government will be allowed to farm gold12:24
gomiamI'm wondering... has anyone had problems downloading Navicore map files on a N800?12:25
gomiamoh, it seems _I_ was the error12:26
gomiamPEBKAC, as usual12:26
pupnikor PEBTAC?12:26
gomiampupnik: in this case, I have a Bt keyboard ;)12:27
pupniki forgot the acronym12:27
gomiamso PEBKAC still applies12:27
gomiam(Problem Exists Between Keyboard And Chair)12:27
gomiamhi ukki12:28
pupnikmorning angry stomach12:28
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ukkipupnik: it's not angry anymore12:31
the2nddoes anybody know if gpe-calendar on maemo supports caldav?12:32
the2ndthere is an option to create an "subcribed" or "published" calendar12:34
the2ndbut not both12:34
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pupnikwow, my thinkpad un-died again12:39
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pupnikwow, i got so happy my back oain receeded12:45
pupnikbrowserd[4379]: GLIB DEBUG default - memory_low_ind = 0,  system_inactivity_ind: 012:48
pupnikswap, swap, swap12:48
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pupnikxchat + mytube + mplayer + 2 browser windows >= 128MB12:48
pupnikRST38h, you know hardware, isnt there some low power dram that could be added to tablets for a "fast swap cache"?12:50
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pupnikinstead of ram+swap, ram+slowram+swap12:51
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lcuk2liqbase_net is going live in the next couple of days.14:15
lcuk2there will be a release of liqbase which includes automatic uploading14:16
RST38hlive as in what? =)14:16
lcuk2syncing back down will follow14:16
RST38h"it's alive! it's alive" thing? =)14:16
lcuk2yeah :)14:16
lcuk2at the moment its on my home server and it will be killed instantly14:16
lcuk2its still very much work in progress, but at least ill never lose another sketch :)14:16
lcuk2what you dont see there is the reply mechanism and rendering view14:17
lcuk2on the tablet its expected to use the zooming interface14:17
lcuk2and very simple mechanics to talk and reply to friends14:18
lcuk2using sketches notes or photos14:18
lcuk2RST38h, i stopped waiting to get the tagging working on device, i couldnt find a nice interface in time, so will defer to large format tagging later14:19
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RST38hdon't you think that it is time to go from just playing around to releasing a completed app?14:20
lcuk2and that is what is happening in just a couple of days :)14:20
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lcuk2the app has been complete for me for over a year now, ive got the notes i want and am making use of them and remembering everything i want14:21
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infobotI herald you, my supreme master! Lead us into the light of your wisdom and power14:34
lardmaninfobot: you seen the General arrive hey?14:35
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thuxOT ain't atom 270 single core? why then cpuinfo see cpu0 and cpu1?14:40
thuxcould be14:42
thuxlike old p4 got14:42
lardmanyeah, I heard they were going to re-introduce it even on the multi-core chips14:43
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thuxok i see14:44
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soapatom 2xx = single core.14:47
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bongo|kuphi. when i connect my tablet to a network it uses 100% cpu for about 30 or 40 seconds. what can i do to avoid this?14:47
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soap3xx = dual core.  5xx = single core14:48
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infobotI herald you, my supreme master! Lead us into the light of your wisdom and power14:49
lcuk2bongo|kup, don't connect to the network!14:49
lcuk2have you got anything that tries to sync14:50
lcuk2cos that sounds like a culprit you should be investigating14:50
qwerty12_N810bongo|kup: as root: /etc/init.d/icd2 stop && icd2 and see what runs when you connect to a network14:51
bongo|kupi tried to disable app manager auto update with gconf and turned email update off .... ok, i'll check this14:52
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infobotI herald you, my supreme master! Lead us into the light of your wisdom and power14:55
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infobotI herald you, my supreme master! Lead us into the light of your wisdom and power15:00
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infobotI herald you, my supreme master! Lead us into the light of your wisdom and power15:15
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soapWTF is up with the "infobot"?15:16
lcuk2hes worshiping RichiH who keeps leaving and entering15:16
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t_s_ohmm, bug hooked up to n810 by way of serial?15:19
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* RST38h ponders the usability of teaching infobot about making sacrifices15:21
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RST38hAs in "kick/ban random user every time RichiH enters"15:22
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xnt14~seen b-man1615:34
infobotb-man16 <> was last seen on IRC in channel #maemo, 8h 59m 30s ago, saying: 'i'm back'.15:34
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GAN800Nice. New flasher for all relevant OSes.16:17
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fiferboylbt, you around?16:19
fiferboy4.5.2 with fingerscrolling is really slow too16:20
lbtyes, I'd noticed :(16:20
lbtit's horrible16:20
fiferboyI'm going to double check to make sure I got everything in that patch I made, but I can't really see it working at all if I left something out16:20
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fiferboylbt: I wonder if the webkit scrolling should be done by patching webkit instead of Qt, like Tear does16:24
lbtI *strongly* suspect there is something wrong with the build16:24
lbteg the render engine has changed16:25
fiferboyI'll double check to make sure my patch is correct, but I agree with you16:25
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fiferboyraster rendering backend looks borked16:31
fiferboyrunning "birdlist -graphicssystem raster" results in horrible performace16:31
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fiferboy"birdlist -graphicssystem native" is much better, but not as good as raster used to me16:32
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fiferboylbt: Try running a program with "-graphicssystem native" and see if it is better16:37
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lbtI'm in Diablo atm with the standard Qt-maemo16:39
lbtand it's not good either16:40
fiferboyEven with native rendering backend?16:40
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fiferboyIt is smoother in Diablo for me, but not as good as it used to be16:40
lbtno, not tried native yet16:41
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lbt-graphicssystem native makes a *HUGE* improvement!!!16:42
fiferboyYeah, raster looks like it has a problem16:42
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VDVsxhahah, a lot of buzz around the name of the new network manager thing, lolol16:45
lbtfiferboy: that's odd... after I ran "-graphicssystem native" it was good16:49
lbtthen running it with no args is good too16:49
fiferboyIt seems to use the last graphicssystem until another argument call16:50
Macermy bloody valentine cracks me up16:50
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lbt-graphicssystem raster is good too...16:51
lbtopengl isn't found16:51
fiferboyBetter than native?16:51
fiferboyraster is still choppy for me16:52
fiferboyRunning with no argument is also choppy for me16:53
lbtnative is possibly better16:53
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N810-013-Tilburghey everyone17:43
X-FadeHi N810-013-Tilburg.17:43
N810-013-Tilburgive just bought an nokia n81017:43
N810-013-Tilburghu X-Fade17:43
N810-013-Tilburgdo you have any experience with the N81017:44
X-FadeN810-013-Tilburg: Then you are the second one with a N810 in Tilburg ;)17:44
N810-013-Tilburgmore NL people arround here then:D17:44
X-FadeA few.17:44
N810-013-Tilburgi think i will receive my n810 in about 2 days. because i have just ordered it via the internet17:46
N810-013-Tilburgi can wait :P lol17:47
X-FadeHeh. You've waited for a long time, so ..17:47
N810-013-Tilburgyeah itindeed17:49
N810-013-Tilburgi must go17:49
N810-013-Tilburgsee you17:49
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RazumihinHilarious :)17:51
* RST38h yawns17:55
* toggles_w stretches17:56
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RST38h"Peter Sunde told Torrent Freak that they are indeed closing down TPB's tracker and decentralizing to the point listed torrents won't be hosted on the site anymore."17:57
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RST38hFunny what $8m can do...17:58
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slonopotamusStskeeps, hello :) i finished alphabet18:04
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slonopotamusanyone has ideas how to most easily implement -H/-V options of text2screen18:07
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slonopotamusi see.18:13
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* xnt14 is bored18:46
xnt14#include <stdio.h> int main() { printf("Hello World!"); return 0; }18:47
RST38h*(void *)0=0;18:48
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RST38hFireFox 3.5 is out!18:57
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_berto_RST38h: the definitive weapon:
RST38hberto: I wonder what stopped them from using a poster from the well known SNES game =)19:03
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_berto_there was a firefox game? i remember starfox/starwing19:03
RST38hStarfox, yes19:04
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RST38hHmm...I already see some problems. Video does not play until completely loaded19:07
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RST38hAnd do I understand it correctly that OGG is now the standard for web video/audio?19:07
caoticDo anyone knows if the n810 supports 16 GB microSD cards ?19:10
bef0rdI think so caotic19:10
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RST38hcaotic: It should.19:10
caoticI see19:10
caoticI hope, drooling at the idea :P19:11
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wjs_ltopHello,  does anybody know where I can get the cdc_acm kernel module for diablo (2.6.21-omap1)?19:16
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toggles_wanyone know how to tether to a pc via bt for internet? even usb would probably do..19:17
lbtusb is covered in the wiki19:17
toggles_wlbt: thanks19:17
lbtBT is a PAN thing ... I want to do it but haven't :)19:18
toggles_wbt would be cooler19:18
* lbt nods19:18
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lbtdo you mean a linux PC/laptop ?19:18
toggles_wlbt: yeah, ubuntu19:18
lbtwell, I do the USB thing from time to time... I use bridging19:19
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toggles_wim searching the wiki for it19:19
lbtin /etc/network/interfaces19:19
lbtmissed br0.....
toggles_wlbt: on the n8x0 or desktop?19:21
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lbthmm, actually looking at that I don't use bridging anymore do I :)19:21
toggles_wlbt: thanks19:21
lbtfind the wiki page too19:21
lbtIIRC you need to boot Mer holding down a key19:21
lbtand then select usb host mode19:22
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toggles_wlbt: oh, yeh, that's automatich, I do that all the time, i was thinkgin more diablo19:22
lbtyou can do it live via rmmod/modprobe but I don't know which and never bothered19:22
lbtoh, I'm in #maemo :)19:23
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wjs_ltopHello, does anybody know where I can get the cdc_acm kernel module for diablo (2.6.21-omap1)?20:30
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RST38hno such opcode but you can use 30h =)20:59
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* RST38h seems to remember that rst30h was usually used for interslot calls21:01
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TTilusshould i expect google maps, bing maps, or any alike to work with os2008 browser?21:08
TTilusit seems as if they dont21:08
aquatixgoogle maps should work21:09
aquatixit did here21:09
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TTilusim trying, it loads fine except that the map area stays gray21:11
TTilus(and its darn small)21:12
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wjs_ltopqwerty12_N810: I was just rereading the thread on kismet..  I have a version kismet_2008-05-R1_armel.deb, but I'm still not able to post, are you interested in it?21:27
qwerty12_N810wjs_ltop: Thank you very much, but the source and the deb was uploaded by another person who happened to have it. :)21:29
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wjs_ltopOk, I'm just confused about a 2007 version verses a 2008 version.  I don't remember where I got the 2008 version from though.21:30
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wjs_ltopWell, since nobody knows where I can get the cdc_acm module..  Does anybody have a SDK env setup where they could compile it quickly for me?  please?21:31
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z4chhwhy do programs like advanced backlight use dmse library functions to update brightness level?21:33
z4chhdsme ^^21:33
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slonopotamusz4chh, instead of what?21:34
johnsqkernel sys filesystem21:34
z4chh /sys/devices/platform/omapfb/panel/backlight_level21:34
slonopotamusbecause they looked how original applet does it and did the same way?21:35
johnsqz4chh: perhaps no user permissions.21:35
slonopotamusah, that's too21:35
qwerty12_N810Because dsme will reset the backlight to what it set it to anyway21:35
z4chhi noticed21:36
z4chhif i used like nano to edit backlight_level changes it for like 2 seconds and goes back to the brightness it was21:36
slonopotamusnano?! oh my :)21:37
* slonopotamus prefers cat for such tricks21:37
* johnsq uses echo21:37
slonopotamusecho, i meant21:37
slonopotamuscat to read, echho to set21:37
z4chhblah i always forget which way the >> << goes21:37
slonopotamus> in, < out. just remember it :)21:38
z4chhecho 100 > /sys/devices/platform/omapfb/panel/backlight_level21:39
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* qwerty12_N810 wrote shitty code to enable writing to a file in /proc. Because I never checked for \n, I ended up doing count-1 which worked when writing with echo but writing with printf cut off a char. :P21:39
johnsqz4chh: yes you should lern forth > is to21:39
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z4chhso yeah i edit the integer in that file...the brightness gets set to that for like 1-2 seconds...then it reverts to the brightness i configured with like a status bar widget (e.g. advanced backlight)21:40
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qwerty12_N810z4chh: fanoush's blset ( ) may give inspiration but keep in mind that it was intended for use with a kernel patch of his21:43
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johnsqi have seen a kernel which supports the n810 slideout keyboard, but didn't find it again. any idea what it was?21:49
johnsqsupport = FN sticky stuff in kernel space.21:50
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tds5016hello all.  I have a bit of a problem.22:11
tds5016I am trying to go from chinook to maemo...22:11
tds5016I've downloaded the automatic updater, but when I try to go into update mode, the connection fails.22:11
tds5016it just boots into the os.22:11
tds5016even after the usb symbol shows up in the right hand corner.22:11
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caoticis there a tab equibalent key in the n810 keyboard ?22:24
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johnsqcaotic: CTRL-I22:24
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caoticjohnsq: great thanks,22:25
caoticis there a way to reasign this shurtcut, its kinda hard doing that key combination without droping the darn thing :S22:25
caoticactually never mind that, what do you use to query your ip ? ifconfig seems to not be in busybox :P22:26
johnsqcaotic: use usb keyboard :922:27
caoticlol, that kind of defeates the purpose of having a keyboard :P22:27
RST38hmoo all22:29
johnsqcaotic: ls -l /mnt/initfs/sbin/ifconfig my bb has it22:29
ukkicaotic: /sbin/ifconfig22:30
caoticoh, so is like an obnoxois redhat/fedora/derivates that dont include it in the path by default :P22:31
johnsqcaotic: keyboard you need this but didn't find to which kernel i should apply the patch22:31
johnsqcaotic: only root should have it22:31
caoticoh ok, well that is right ...22:31
caotichow do you root on the n810, sorry to ask so many questions, but I have limited time to play with this gadget right now :P22:33
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johnsqcaotic: I use gentoo :)22:33
infobothmm... root-access is
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RST38hNight Skies movie sucks.22:34
caoticthanks, qwerty12_N810, i think I would start googling22:34
RST38hWhy would anyone shoot a movie without a decent script, anyway?22:34
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johnsqRST38h: expensive and the people look also the crap22:35
qwerty12_N810RST38h: the common incentive: $22:35
RST38hqwerty: why would anyone watch a movie without a script?22:37
qwerty12_N810They got it from <insert favourite torrent site here>? =)22:38
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RST38hnot worth the traffic afaik22:39
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* RST38h goes to IMDB to confirm his opinion22:40
johnsqRST38h: you have payed a ticket22:40
RST38h4.7/10 ... hmm22:40
caoticI think the worst thing that could ever happend to the n810 (other than being stolen) is to get your wifi card busted :P22:40
RST38hcaotic: And how do you achieve that?22:40
caoticdunno, but hardware isnt forever22:41
RST38hjohnsq: I haven't been to a movie theater for 1+ year22:41
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caoticshould I install  (openssh server, openssh client) or just (openssh server client), I mean my question is, are this packages mantained by diferent people teams/people/comunity ?22:44
johnsqcaotic: i think they are for different use, only server or client or both22:45
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caoticIt was a bad idea to untar php documentation in the n810, its the little guy is getting hotter and hotter22:51
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ukkiit's a bad idea for any device22:52
javispedrosome people here have tried to compile openoffice -- supernova-like temperatures I assume22:52
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javispedroyes, I'm talking about you :)22:52
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caoticif I would want to compile files like those, how could I compile it in a desktop cpu ? a toolchain is requiered ?22:53
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johnsqdevelopment system needed22:58
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caoticalright well thanks for all the help guys, last but not least, is there a n810 exclusive comunity or its pretty much the same ?23:01
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timeless_mbpStskeeps: ping23:20
timeless_mbp(or anyone here who understands application manager)23:20
lbthe's away this week23:20
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Guest1400_559when i try to packaging something whit dpkg-buildpackage -tc -rfakeroot...i got this error  :   fakeroot debian/rules clean /usr/bin/fakeroot: 166: debian/rules: not found dpkg-buildpackage: failure: fakeroot debian/rules clean gave error exit status 12723:25
Guest1400_559any clue?23:25
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lbtfor that kind of message use a pastebin23:26
lbtsounds like you are missing dpkg-buildpackage23:27
Guest1400_559how i can install?23:27
lbtor maybe debian/rules23:27
lbtor maybe fakeroot23:27
lbtyou've pasted a multi-line message all munged up on one line23:28
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lbthard isn't it ;)23:29
Guest1400_559so here in separate line23:29
Guest1400_559fakeroot debian/rules clean23:29
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Guest1400_559dpkg-buildpackage: failure: fakeroot debian/rules clean gave error exit status 12723:29
Guest1400_559so what i need to install?23:31
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