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| Maiku | I'm trying to build an external module and not having much luck. It keeps saying "MODPOST 0 modules" | 00:12 |
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| Maiku | I'm using scratchbox and I'm trying to build for diablo | 00:14 |
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| tomaterr | is this a maemo only channel, or n810 also? | 00:25 |
| lcuk | one and the same | 00:25 |
| tomaterr | alright | 00:26 |
| mavhc | if you have a nokia device that's not a phone then welcome | 00:26 |
| Vulcanis | n810 is running on maemo when you first turn it on, so... | 00:26 |
| tomaterr | well, just makin sure | 00:26 |
| Vulcanis | if you have a device that is a phone, then hiss, get out of here. | 00:26 |
| tomaterr | nah, my touchscreen stoped working | 00:26 |
| lcuk | why - maemo/mer/liqbase would run nicely on an iphone :) | 00:27 |
| tomaterr | could it be software related? | 00:27 |
| Vulcanis | maemo/mer wouldn't. fscking closed software. | 00:27 |
| Vulcanis | did you try a hard reset yet, toma? | 00:27 |
| lcuk | eh? | 00:27 |
| lcuk | mer is oss | 00:27 |
| tomaterr | how do u do that? | 00:27 |
| lcuk | maemo is mostly oss | 00:27 |
| tomaterr | vulc how? | 00:28 |
| lbt | tomaterr: remove battery | 00:28 |
| lcuk | the only problem for them with iphone is resolution | 00:28 |
| Vulcanis | I forget how to do it on the n810, I think its something to do with the center button while putting the battery back in and turning it on | 00:28 |
| mavhc | closed hardware perhaps | 00:29 |
| Vulcanis | the only problem with the iphone is the iphone itself is CLOSED | 00:29 |
| mavhc | and there's no keyboard, and it costs loads | 00:29 |
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| tomaterr | well, I've removed batt | 00:29 |
| tomaterr | several times | 00:29 |
| mavhc | plug it into pc, install flashing software, hold down home button, turn on | 00:30 |
| lcuk | mavhc, ipod touch doesnt | 00:30 |
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| lcuk | yeah its locked - thats a minor hurdle lol | 00:30 |
| mavhc | what is it about a cell phone radio that costs $200? | 00:31 |
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| lcuk | especially when complete cell phones can be bought for peanuts | 00:31 |
| Maiku | do you need to do anything special to build an external module with scrachbox/for maemo? | 00:33 |
| Maiku | *scratchbox | 00:33 |
| lcuk | external module? | 00:33 |
| Maiku | compat-wireless-2.6-old | 00:33 |
| Maiku | out of tree is what I mean by external | 00:34 |
| mavhc | can't even be the cost of FCC etc approval if you're selling 30 million of them | 00:34 |
| lcuk | should be possible to build everything in it | 00:34 |
| Maiku | hmm, it keeps coming up with MODPOST 0 modules | 00:34 |
| tomaterr | thnaks for the help, I'm gonna go try to fix this | 00:34 |
| tomaterr | crud | 00:35 |
| Maiku | the compat-wireless-old makefile wants there to be a config.mk in the kernel header directory, and it also can't call modprobe due to a missing modules.dep | 00:35 |
| lcuk | tomaterr, is it totally dead | 00:35 |
| tomaterr | what does a flashing ! w/ orange background mean? | 00:35 |
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| lcuk | or does it respond erattically | 00:35 |
| lcuk | system software updates usually i think | 00:36 |
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| tomaterr | erratically | 00:36 |
| lcuk | ahh, thats not the same | 00:36 |
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| lcuk | has the device sustained any trauma | 00:37 |
| tomaterr | a little... | 00:37 |
| tomaterr | not too much | 00:37 |
| lcuk | please lie down, and tell me all about it | 00:37 |
| tomaterr | like,3 feet | 00:37 |
| tomaterr | 3 or 4 times | 00:37 |
| Stskeeps | Maiku: trying to get stlc45xx going? :P | 00:37 |
| lcuk | when did you bust it | 00:37 |
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| Maiku | Stskeeps: how'd you know :P | 00:37 |
| lcuk | was it one particular time? | 00:38 |
| tomaterr | no | 00:38 |
| Maiku | Stskeeps: I managed to get it running with a newer kernel and its range was quite spectacular | 00:38 |
| tomaterr | the issue appearad later | 00:38 |
| lcuk | what kind of eraticness is it | 00:38 |
| Stskeeps | Maiku: because i wanted to try out stlc45xx on 2.6.21 after hearing it was backported to 2.6.21 :P | 00:38 |
| lcuk | ie is it totally random and jumpy | 00:38 |
| Stskeeps | as in, mac80211 | 00:38 |
| Maiku | yup | 00:38 |
| lcuk | or is there a part thats fine | 00:38 |
| Maiku | did you have any luck? | 00:38 |
| tomaterr | always opens the application window | 00:38 |
| tomaterr | part is ok | 00:38 |
| Stskeeps | Maiku: no, i have a large backlog of desires and this one was not fullfilled yet | 00:39 |
| Maiku | aww | 00:39 |
| Maiku | I haven't managed to find much at all on it :/ | 00:39 |
| Stskeeps | Maiku: did you compile the diablo kernel first? | 00:39 |
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| Maiku | not for trying like this, I was just using the headers, when I had used the newer kernel, yes, but then a bunch of other stuff didn't work :P | 00:39 |
| Stskeeps | right, compile first - and then make sure to point to that tree | 00:40 |
| tomaterr | shoot | 00:40 |
| Maiku | k, I remember reading a page saying to use two KBUILD variables, but I sure can't find that page again yet | 00:40 |
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| Stskeeps | Maiku: good luck with it though | 00:42 |
| Maiku | thanks, hopefully this will work :P | 00:42 |
| Stskeeps | if you end up trying to slowly migrate .21 -> .22 -> .23 -> .24, that's interesting too :P | 00:42 |
| Maiku | I'd really like to be able to keep the default kernel | 00:43 |
| Stskeeps | (why? :P) | 00:43 |
| Maiku | because I know stuff works with it | 00:44 |
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| Maiku | and don't have to mess figuring out how to update all the closed source bits for hardware | 00:44 |
| Stskeeps | ah, shouldn't be that bad | 00:45 |
| Stskeeps | either way, good luck - looks interesting | 00:45 |
| Maiku | thanks :) | 00:46 |
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| Maiku | Stskeeps: well so far it's working better this way, although it now errors instead of just skipping everything :) | 00:58 |
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| Stskeeps | yay errors | 00:58 |
| Maiku | well at least now I have something to debug :) | 00:58 |
| brainy142 | OOO I'm good at making things break... | 01:01 |
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| brainy142 | ah, braking turing is fun :D | 01:01 |
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| brainy142 | I remember breaking all of my friends programs randomly hehehe he got so mad | 01:03 |
| Maiku | looks like it has warnings as errors :/ | 01:04 |
| brainy142 | so whats going to happen with maemo 5, will there be apps for it right away or will people have to port everything? and does it have better gfx acceleration on the smart q 5??? | 01:05 |
| * Luke-Jr has 2.6.30 mostly working on N810 | 01:05 | |
| ShadowJK | no maemo5 for smartq5 | 01:05 |
| brainy142 | really? :( | 01:05 |
| Luke-Jr | brainy142: Maemo sucks anyway, Mer can run anything Ubuntu has pretty much | 01:06 |
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| brainy142 | isn't mer/maemo the same??? | 01:06 |
| Luke-Jr | no | 01:06 |
| GAN800 | brainy142, apps are already being put together. | 01:06 |
| Luke-Jr | Mer does support many Maemo apps I think though | 01:06 |
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| GAN800 | See the Fremantle Stars | 01:06 |
| brainy142 | excellent, hopefully the new api's wont take too long for people to implement ports. | 01:07 |
| GAN800 | Luke-Jr, Mer wouldn't exist without Maemo and Nokia's open source efforts. | 01:07 |
| Luke-Jr | GAN800: ok | 01:07 |
| Luke-Jr | GAN800: we'd probably have something even better | 01:08 |
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| brainy142 | so... If I wanted to be able to use the new release I would have to use a nokia mid thing? | 01:08 |
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| GAN800 | OK, Luke-Jr. | 01:08 |
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| Luke-Jr | brainy142: yeah, but no point | 01:09 |
| Luke-Jr | brainy142: better off with Mer or some other OS | 01:09 |
| GAN800 | brainy142, Mer is using as many of the new Maemo 5 technologies as is possible. | 01:09 |
| brainy142 | ah ic... like your ui though | 01:09 |
| GAN800 | But if you want Maemo-Maemo you gotta buy the device. | 01:09 |
| GAN800 | brainy142, I'd wait until a proper announcement to decide. | 01:10 |
| ShadowJK | right | 01:10 |
| brainy142 | erm... which is faster nokia's thing or the smart q? | 01:10 |
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| GAN800 | Nokia's device blows the SmartQ utterly out of the water. | 01:11 |
| brainy142 | really? | 01:11 |
| GeneralAntilles | Yes. | 01:11 |
| brainy142 | hmm.. I though it was slower | 01:11 |
| GeneralAntilles | Cortex A8 versus ARM11 is not even a contest. | 01:11 |
| GeneralAntilles | Well, what's Nokia's "thing" the N810 or the next unreleased device(s)? | 01:12 |
| brainy142 | ah dam, should have bought it on craigs when it was like 150 | 01:12 |
| smackpotat | i was wondering what the difference would be if i sold my 770 and bought a used n800 | 01:13 |
| GeneralAntilles | N800 is way faster than the 770. | 01:13 |
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| brainy142 | Is there a place in Canada that sells them? | 01:14 |
| smackpotat | ya i have a 810, im using a 770 for my sterio | 01:14 |
| Pavlov | cortex a8 designs are nice | 01:15 |
| Luke-Jr | smackpotat: get a SmartQ | 01:15 |
| amr | using it for your stereo how? | 01:15 |
| brainy142 | why the smart q? | 01:15 |
| Luke-Jr | brainy142: GAN800 is talking about some unreleased Nokia device that might not even exist | 01:15 |
| Luke-Jr | SmartQ is easily superior to N800 | 01:15 |
| smackpotat | whats a smartq | 01:15 |
| brainy142 | doesnt it have that 3d core | 01:15 |
| Stskeeps | and Luke-Jr's a troll | 01:15 |
| Luke-Jr | smackpotat: an open source handheld like N800 | 01:16 |
| Luke-Jr | Stskeeps: shoo, FUD | 01:16 |
| smackpotat | is it a phone | 01:16 |
| Luke-Jr | smackpotat: no | 01:16 |
| Luke-Jr | smackpotat: it's liek the N800, but it's faster and open source | 01:16 |
| qwerty12_N810 | Luke-Jr: I find it hard to believe that Nokia would put so much work into software for "some unreleased Nokia device that might not even exist". | 01:16 |
| Luke-Jr | and has accelerated 3D | 01:16 |
| brainy142 | (sigh) I'l a get the specs | 01:16 |
| Pavlov | if you want a cortex a8 phone buy the pre or an iphone | 01:16 |
| Luke-Jr | qwerty12_N810: you've seen confirmation of it? | 01:16 |
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| smackpotat | whats the resolution | 01:16 |
| amr | smackpotat, how do you use your 770 with your stereo? | 01:16 |
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| Luke-Jr | smackpotat: AFAIK, the same for both | 01:17 |
| ShadowJK | Luke-Jr, are there actual drivers for the 3D? | 01:17 |
| qwerty12_N810 | Luke-Jr: nope. But common sense tells me that Nokia aren't gonna be fucking around for fun | 01:17 |
| Luke-Jr | ShadowJK: not yet AFAIK | 01:18 |
| Luke-Jr | ShadowJK: but we have specs | 01:18 |
| ShadowJK | When the media is saying "Maemo is attracting alot of attention away from Symbian internally at Nokia", you know maemo is probably not an extremely minor thing anymore :-) | 01:18 |
| smackpotat | i got a 16 gb usb drive,i output to my amp, i control it from my 810, vnc. it would be nice to have the fm | 01:19 |
| ShadowJK | Luke-Jr, right so currently they're both without 3D accel | 01:19 |
| Luke-Jr | smackpotat: ah, I don't use FM, so maybe N800 is better for you then | 01:19 |
| Luke-Jr | no idea if the FM is free or closed | 01:19 |
| Stskeeps | .. what fm | 01:19 |
| ShadowJK | And on the N8x0 3D accel might come if Nokia manages to bribe TI. And on the SmartQ it might come if some sad person finds 2 years of spare time and motivation to write drivers :-) | 01:19 |
| Luke-Jr | ShadowJK: but anyoen can write a SQ5 driver | 01:19 |
| Luke-Jr | Stskeeps: N800 has FM, no? | 01:19 |
| Stskeeps | ah yes | 01:20 |
| Stskeeps | i miss that feature | 01:20 |
| brainy142 | so 677mhz arm = fail? | 01:20 |
| brainy142 | (arm 11) | 01:20 |
| Luke-Jr | Stskeeps: how does it work, BTW? | 01:21 |
| brainy142 | rofl "some sad person" | 01:21 |
| Luke-Jr | brainy142: N915 has a much better processor | 01:22 |
| ShadowJK | brainy142, he'll be sad once he reads the opengl specs | 01:22 |
| Luke-Jr | but it doesn't exist yet | 01:22 |
| Pavlov | what is the n915? | 01:22 |
| brainy142 | ooo sounds expensive :( | 01:22 |
| Luke-Jr | the next Nokia handheld that officially doesn't exist yet | 01:23 |
| ShadowJK | If the next nokia device has a cortex A8 running at 400Mhz, it'd still be faster than 677Mhz arm11. It'd probably run at 600 :-) | 01:23 |
| Luke-Jr | Stskeeps: did your arrive yet? | 01:23 |
| Luke-Jr | ShadowJK: huh? you're saying the OMAP 400 MHz is faster than the Samsung 600 MHz? | 01:23 |
| brainy142 | Is it the arcitechture? | 01:24 |
| Pavlov | Luke-Jr: which samsung? | 01:24 |
| Pavlov | samsung has cortex a8 chips.. | 01:24 |
| brainy142 | 1 sec | 01:24 |
| ShadowJK | Luke-Jr, omap3 vs the samsung in SmartQ5/7, yes | 01:24 |
| Stskeeps | Luke-Jr is trolling as usual on the n915 | 01:24 |
| Pavlov | (like the one in the iphone) | 01:24 |
| Pavlov | (3gs) | 01:24 |
| * Stskeeps yawns and goes to sleep | 01:24 | |
| Luke-Jr | ShadowJK: OMAP3 isn't in any released products yet | 01:25 |
| Luke-Jr | Pavlov: IIRC, iPhone SoC is the same as SmartQ | 01:25 |
| brainy142 | N1HP5MQD sammy | 01:25 |
| ShadowJK | Luke-Jr, the new iphone has a newer much more powerful CPU | 01:25 |
| ShadowJK | iphone 3gs | 01:25 |
| Pavlov | Samsung S5PC100 Cortex A8 | 01:25 |
| brainy142 | nah I say they put in a better bat and upped the core to 600 | 01:25 |
| brainy142 | as the ipods have a 600mhz cpu under-nuked to 400 | 01:26 |
| brainy142 | *677 | 01:26 |
| GeneralAntilles | Pavlov, Tegra boo, hiss. :P | 01:26 |
| Pavlov | GeneralAntilles: its fast ;/ | 01:26 |
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| GeneralAntilles | Pavlov, bullshit. | 01:26 |
| ShadowJK | If you want bogomips numbers, cortex A8 at X MHz is same as Arm11 at X*2 MHz ;p | 01:26 |
| Pavlov | not as fast cpu-wise ovbiously | 01:26 |
| GeneralAntilles | It's got a fast GPU and a marginal CPU. | 01:26 |
| Pavlov | but graphics makes a big difference | 01:26 |
| smackpotat | i think displays are important the n800 has a nice one | 01:26 |
| Pavlov | (if used) | 01:26 |
| GeneralAntilles | They're not a lot faster than the SGX. | 01:26 |
| GeneralAntilles | and the OMAP3 has a CPU that can actually push things around | 01:27 |
| Pavlov | its a good bit faster, and no one knows how to do anything on the sgx | 01:27 |
| GeneralAntilles | Like 720p with NEON. :P | 01:27 |
| Pavlov | GeneralAntilles: you'll own the battery doing that | 01:27 |
| brainy142 | are you going to get this working on the pandora??? | 01:27 |
| brainy142 | it's got z cortex thing at 600mhz | 01:27 |
| GeneralAntilles | Meh, 720p isn't exactly a battery-friendly operation either way | 01:27 |
| brainy142 | rofl agreed | 01:28 |
| GeneralAntilles | Besides, most of what I do on a tablet doesn't benefit from fast GPUs. | 01:28 |
| GeneralAntilles | I want a Cortex, not some ARM11 BS> | 01:28 |
| ShadowJK | Well when pandora and the next nokia device begin existing, I'm sure Mer will be ported to both | 01:28 |
| brainy142 | you get *drum roll* 2 hrs of battery life (720p) | 01:28 |
| GeneralAntilles | Also: Tegra doesn't currently support Linux | 01:28 |
| Pavlov | we're able to use the GPU for a lot | 01:28 |
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| GeneralAntilles | OMAP3 also has the big, beefy DSP. | 01:28 |
| Pavlov | no one wants to write dsp code | 01:29 |
| andre__ | GeneralAntilles, pong (but probably a bit late) :-P | 01:29 |
| GAN800 | andre__, hum. | 01:29 |
| Pavlov | don't get me wrong, i'm a big omap3 fan | 01:29 |
| Stskeeps | and how do you plan on doing that in fremantle when clutter hogs the gpu? :P | 01:29 |
| GAN800 | What the hell did I want? | 01:29 |
| smackpotat | dsp code is complex | 01:29 |
| brainy142 | Is luke still here? | 01:29 |
| Pavlov | but the sgx is crap comparitivly | 01:29 |
| andre__ | GAN800, don't know. install that timemachine thingy i told ya! ;-) | 01:29 |
| Pavlov | Stskeeps: sigh:) | 01:30 |
| ShadowJK | The DSP is like symbian, only people who write code for it are either mentally insane or locked up in a corporate basement being whipped into doing it | 01:30 |
| GAN800 | Pavlov, TI's codecs are much more open for OMAP3 than 2 | 01:30 |
| brainy142 | O I remeber one of the people working on an emulator for the pandora just used the dsp | 01:30 |
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| GeneralAntilles | andre__, ah! | 01:30 |
| lcuk | i want to see the best of new code on my maemo device making as much use of available hardware as possible. :) | 01:30 |
| Pavlov | GAN800: I'm deeply aware of the capibilities/shortcomings of both | 01:30 |
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| GeneralAntilles | Pavlov, fair enough, but I still say Tegra's a joke. :P | 01:31 |
| Pavlov | we'll see ;) | 01:31 |
| brainy142 | really? | 01:31 |
| Pavlov | i do wish it had neon support | 01:31 |
| GeneralAntilles | andre__, how much are the 3.4 templates likely to change before release? | 01:31 |
| brainy142 | I thought tegra was good??? | 01:31 |
| GeneralAntilles | brainy142, ARM11 CPU. | 01:32 |
| Pavlov | brainy142: it is | 01:32 |
| brainy142 | oh | 01:32 |
| GeneralAntilles | The only thing "good" about it is the big GPU. | 01:32 |
| lcuk | isnt it many arm11s tho? | 01:32 |
| brainy142 | :D | 01:32 |
| GeneralAntilles | Which is entirely offset by the 3-year-old CPU. | 01:32 |
| andre__ | GeneralAntilles, as far as I've seen the bugzilla release process so far there won't be big changes | 01:32 |
| brainy142 | well at LEAST were NOT working with mepis here rofl :D | 01:32 |
| GeneralAntilles | andre__, OK, then I'm going to start working on the 3.4 templates for Newstyle. | 01:32 |
| andre__ | oh cool | 01:32 |
| andre__ | sounds like i owe you more than one beer at the summit :) | 01:33 |
| * GeneralAntilles still needs to whip Mercurial into shape. | 01:33 | |
| GeneralAntilles | andre__, meh, don't really drink. ;) | 01:33 |
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| brainy142 | hmm... but arm 8 cortex cant play warcraft 3... That would be the... best... day... ever | 01:34 |
| Pavlov | when is maemo summit ? october? | 01:34 |
| GeneralAntilles | Yeah | 01:34 |
| brainy142 | I bet the cortex is faster than the computer I'm using :( | 01:34 |
| ShadowJK | brainy142, that seems unlikely :) | 01:35 |
| brainy142 | amd 2000+ no video card enough said... | 01:35 |
| brainy142 | and crappy via drivers with no 3d support | 01:35 |
| Pavlov | .8-1ghz cortex a8s are pretty fast | 01:36 |
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| GeneralAntilles | 1.4-1.8GHz ARM11 equivalent. | 01:36 |
| brainy142 | hmm.... wonder if the cc1600 mids will be any good | 01:36 |
| brainy142 | hey GeneralAntilles how fast would the cortex have to be to match 1.2 ggz arm 11? | 01:37 |
| brainy142 | as this would make something make sense | 01:38 |
| GeneralAntilles | ~700MHz | 01:38 |
| Pavlov | depends a lot on what its doing | 01:38 |
| GeneralAntilles | OMAP3630 is what you'd be looking for | 01:38 |
| GeneralAntilles | RIght | 01:38 |
| GeneralAntilles | On average | 01:38 |
| Pavlov | yeah | 01:38 |
| Pavlov | thats fair estimate | 01:38 |
| GeneralAntilles | OMAP3430 will reach that in certain cases. | 01:38 |
| GeneralAntilles | Be sweet if Nokia could just swap an OMAP3630 in at this point. | 01:39 |
| brainy142 | I have a mips pocket pc rofl | 01:39 |
| brainy142 | I bet that = fail now | 01:39 |
| Pavlov | if arm11 had neon it would be a lot better | 01:40 |
| Pavlov | im ready for some a9 cpus though | 01:40 |
| ShadowJK | But they have to make a totally new device with different case and different components, and run it through their robotic "push this button 100,000 times" test facility and their "pick it up and drop it from 1 metre height" test facility a few dozen times until it stops breaking :P | 01:40 |
| brainy142 | hmm.... a9 sounds fast... | 01:41 |
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| brainy142 | any idea when this new nokia thing is coming? | 01:42 |
| GeneralAntilles | brainy142, few months. | 01:43 |
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| ShadowJK | there's a rumour saying October for europe | 01:43 |
| GeneralAntilles | A9s will be next year. | 01:43 |
| GeneralAntilles | If they don't have a simultaneous US/EU release I'm going to start sacrificing Nokians at the Summit. | 01:43 |
| brainy142 | lol | 01:43 |
| brainy142 | I'l get the pitchforks..... can you get the torches? | 01:44 |
| ShadowJK | GeneralAntilles, ah well but the rumour said a stupid locked-in US release first :-) | 01:44 |
| ShadowJK | btw, did you know that they release(d) their "Communicator" devices first in Indonesia? :P | 01:44 |
| brainy142 | whats the mer website? | 01:45 |
| ShadowJK | Apparently the communicators have a cult status/following there after what must be one of the few clever and successful Nokia marketing schemes ever :> | 01:45 |
| GeneralAntilles | ~mer | 01:45 |
| infobot | i guess mer is http://wiki.maemo.org/Mer | 01:45 |
| brainy142 | why does it have maemo in it???? | 01:45 |
| GeneralAntilles | Because Mer is very closely related to Maemo | 01:46 |
| GeneralAntilles | Despite Luke-Jr's trolling. | 01:46 |
| brainy142 | so I'm going to assume to ignore him.... | 01:46 |
| ShadowJK | brainy142, do you know who Stallman is? | 01:46 |
| brainy142 | nope | 01:47 |
| ShadowJK | oh well | 01:47 |
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| brainy142 | who is he? | 01:47 |
| ShadowJK | brainy142, have you seen star wars? | 01:47 |
| brainy142 | ... they look *almost the same* in the screen shots??? | 01:48 |
| brainy142 | I've seen it | 01:48 |
| GeneralAntilles | brainy142, Mer is a more open source version of Maemo. | 01:48 |
| brainy142 | oh | 01:48 |
| ShadowJK | Imagine Luke is Anakin Skywalker | 01:48 |
| ShadowJK | he's angry and frustrated :P | 01:48 |
| brainy142 | rofl | 01:48 |
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| brainy142 | so maemo = windows of the arm os's? | 01:49 |
| GeneralAntilles | Not at all. | 01:49 |
| brainy142 | good | 01:49 |
| GeneralAntilles | Maemo is about 80% open source and 20% closed. | 01:49 |
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| brainy142 | but I know one thing wince = fail | 01:49 |
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| GeneralAntilles | and the money and time Nokia has put into mobile open source development for Maemo is massive. | 01:49 |
| brainy142 | yay | 01:49 |
| brainy142 | nokia likes open source | 01:50 |
| brainy142 | my computer wont run any closed source os any more | 01:50 |
| ShadowJK | There are some closed source components, and some people (notably luke) are very angry about it | 01:50 |
| brainy142 | it just spitts out blue screens.... during installation (I got a bluescreen trying to install xp) | 01:51 |
| brainy142 | ah so thats why luke hates maemo | 01:51 |
| ShadowJK | on the N810 the 3D acceleration is unusable because there are no drivers and no specs, and the GPS chip is undocumented and has no opensource drivers. The battery management and other components that Nokia brought over from their cellphones also has no open source drivers. | 01:51 |
| GeneralAntilles | brainy142, he's hardline open source. | 01:52 |
| brainy142 | ah | 01:52 |
| brainy142 | sounds annoying to program for | 01:52 |
| ShadowJK | I hope he continues his quest to get a current kernel working :) | 01:52 |
| brainy142 | :D | 01:53 |
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| brainy142 | he must DISPISE windows rofl | 01:53 |
| brainy142 | ..... I got a funny idea | 01:53 |
| brainy142 | want to hear it shadow? | 01:54 |
| ShadowJK | sure | 01:54 |
| brainy142 | we say we made a new version of his mer thing but, we make it install win ce | 01:54 |
| brainy142 | then he will be in agony | 01:54 |
| ShadowJK | he's working on getting gentoo installed anyway, I think.. | 01:55 |
| brainy142 | lol the logo looks like pacman... | 01:55 |
| brainy142 | well I guess I'l have to wait for that "sweet spot" mid | 01:56 |
| ShadowJK | The reason people like SmartQ5/7 is that the spec for the SoC were leaked, so they're available, and the chinese company that makes them are very friendly and actually give answers when the Mer team asks them questions. The SmartQ devices are wonderful for hackers/coders in that sense :P | 01:57 |
| ShadowJK | plus they're affordable | 01:57 |
| ShadowJK | So if you're a hardline opensource person, you'd boycot Nokia and shovel money at the chinese devices for being open. ;) | 01:58 |
| brainy142 | I'm not hardline :D | 01:58 |
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| mavhc | and are these smartq's as fast as the n810? | 01:59 |
| brainy142 | great... now I'm stuck between a pillow and another slightly less confy pillow | 01:59 |
| mavhc | don't suffocate | 01:59 |
| brainy142 | lol | 02:00 |
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| brainy142 | I wonder if he would agree with there other decision smar q made... | 02:00 |
| brainy142 | wince option lol | 02:00 |
| ShadowJK | mavhc, I haven't seen benchmarks, but I think they are faster. | 02:02 |
| mavhc | only review I saw said it was slow, but that could have been their software | 02:02 |
| brainy142 | what about telechips??? | 02:02 |
| brainy142 | wait.... hehehe you should tell luke his computer bios isn't open source *gasp* | 02:03 |
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| mavhc | there are open bios projects | 02:06 |
| Macer | wow. there were so many people stuck on death camp trains | 02:07 |
| brainy142 | death camp? | 02:07 |
| Macer | im watching part 5 to auschwitz | 02:07 |
| brainy142 | oh | 02:07 |
| Macer | the nazis and the final solution | 02:07 |
| brainy142 | lol "solution" | 02:08 |
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| Macer | ever see conspiracy? | 02:08 |
| brainy142 | nope | 02:08 |
| Macer | it is about the meeting that determined what to do about the jewish problem. nazis were totally nuts | 02:08 |
| brainy142 | ah | 02:09 |
| Macer | i mean. they were mad. seriously nuts | 02:09 |
| brainy142 | didn't they cage them | 02:09 |
| Macer | towards the end of the war they went on a killing frenzy | 02:09 |
| brainy142 | I'm pretty sure my history teacher showed us something about cages | 02:09 |
| Macer | they started killing 75% of arrivals | 02:10 |
| brainy142 | that sucks | 02:10 |
| brainy142 | wait there isn't even a word for that | 02:11 |
| brainy142 | now if you want a mind screw anme watch Higurashi n _Naku_Koro ni | 02:11 |
| Macer | heh | 02:12 |
| Macer | what is the english name? | 02:12 |
| ShadowJK | when cicadas cry | 02:12 |
| ShadowJK | or something like that | 02:12 |
| brainy142 | ya | 02:12 |
| brainy142 | you wont understand hardly ANYTHING for like 30 episodes | 02:13 |
| Macer | haha | 02:13 |
| brainy142 | then now there is ANOTHER SEASON | 02:13 |
| Macer | like neon genesis? | 02:13 |
| Macer | it started normal | 02:13 |
| Macer | and then went way off | 02:13 |
| brainy142 | I need to see that neon show | 02:14 |
| brainy142 | after I watch trigun | 02:14 |
| brainy142 | man trigun is funny | 02:14 |
| ShadowJK | nah, higurashi is like halfway to neon genesis level of "huh?" | 02:14 |
| Macer | it isnt that good | 02:14 |
| Macer | nor is trigun | 02:14 |
| Macer | ShadowJK: haha | 02:14 |
| brainy142 | oh come on trigun = funny | 02:14 |
| Macer | yeah. ng lost me | 02:14 |
| brainy142 | and shadow did you watch all of the higurash episodes | 02:14 |
| Macer | i mean it went all starving artist by episode 5 | 02:14 |
| ShadowJK | I haven't watched second season yet | 02:14 |
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| brainy142 | 2nd season was the better onw] | 02:15 |
| brainy142 | hint: It contines right after | 02:15 |
| ShadowJK | Another mind-tickling anime: Serial Experiments Lain | 02:15 |
| brainy142 | then finally it ends on ep 22 of the kai series | 02:15 |
| Macer | ShadowJK: that was awesome tho | 02:16 |
| Macer | i liked lain | 02:16 |
| brainy142 | then we actually get something you would never expect from the anime | 02:16 |
| brainy142 | a freaking "fan-service" | 02:16 |
| ShadowJK | It's not an unusual pattern. After slaving away for 44 episodes, surely the artists deserve to do whatever the hell they want :-) | 02:17 |
| brainy142 | I'm amped for the ri episode 4 man I wonder what rika is going to do | 02:17 |
| brainy142 | O man I cant say (spoilers) but it is a HUGE choice | 02:17 |
| brainy142 | unless you want me too | 02:18 |
| ShadowJK | no, please shut up :-) | 02:18 |
| brainy142 | your going to watch it? | 02:18 |
| ShadowJK | Yeah eventually. My backlog is only a few TB. | 02:18 |
| brainy142 | lol | 02:18 |
| brainy142 | worst part is that I have to wait an entire month for the next episode | 02:19 |
| brainy142 | dam subbers.... | 02:19 |
| brainy142 | o well I guess they have a life too | 02:19 |
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| ShadowJK | Usually second and third seasons is a sign that the series isn't worth watching, you know | 02:20 |
| brainy142 | ps the higuashi takes a few episodes for the total mind screw to occour | 02:20 |
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| brainy142 | ??? | 02:20 |
| Macer | ShadowJK: watched noein? | 02:20 |
| Macer | that was pretty good | 02:20 |
| ShadowJK | I plan to | 02:21 |
| brainy142 | well I guess I'l have to watch neon | 02:21 |
| Macer | it is great | 02:21 |
| brainy142 | too | 02:21 |
| Macer | i liked it a lot | 02:21 |
| Macer | pretty twisted | 02:21 |
| brainy142 | It better pull me in or I will be dissapointed | 02:21 |
| ShadowJK | speaking of watching, I have N800 and a 8gig SD card waiting :P | 02:21 |
| brainy142 | ah but n800 cant play mkv | 02:21 |
| Macer | brainy142: you will like it until ep4 | 02:21 |
| Macer | heh | 02:21 |
| ShadowJK | brainy142, I convert | 02:21 |
| brainy142 | why would I start hating it | 02:22 |
| brainy142 | mkv= annoying to convert | 02:22 |
| brainy142 | well.... if you need the subs | 02:22 |
| ShadowJK | Yeah, mkv is particulary challenging to get through the mencoder bug-minefield | 02:22 |
| brainy142 | rofl | 02:22 |
| brainy142 | I got one converter thats been working great recently | 02:23 |
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| brainy142 | and it's free :) | 02:23 |
| ShadowJK | I forget how I did it. I suspect I converted video losslessly to huffyuv-in-avi with ffmpeg and then re-encoded it with mencoder and remuxed with original audio and subs from the original mkv into a new mkv. Maybe. I don't remember exactly :-) | 02:24 |
| brainy142 | wow my way = easyer | 02:24 |
| ShadowJK | what's your way? | 02:24 |
| brainy142 | mkv2vob | 02:24 |
| brainy142 | *oddly it doesn't convert to vob | 02:24 |
| brainy142 | t spits out mpegs | 02:24 |
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| brainy142 | I remeber trying to flash a router..... I faileed | 02:26 |
| brainy142 | well I might be back later I'm going to watch a movie | 02:29 |
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| Maiku | Stskeeps: hurray! it compiled, I just had to do what you said then grab rfkill.h from 2.6.22... no idea if it will work or not | 02:31 |
| tomaterr | dang | 02:32 |
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| tomaterr | i think my issue is hardware-based | 02:32 |
| amr- | im actually at a loss of what to play with on my tablet | 02:34 |
| amr- | email is sorted, as is irc, msn etc | 02:34 |
| man_in_shack | KIRBY | 02:34 |
| amr- | you can play kirby on your tablet? | 02:34 |
| man_in_shack | get vgb, download the original kirby game for gameboy :) | 02:34 |
| amr- | ooo | 02:34 |
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| amr- | the only games i have are quake and maemodrac | 02:34 |
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| man_in_shack | only issue with it from what i can see is that the on-screen controls don't support multiple fingers at a time | 02:35 |
| amr- | hell i might just install pokemon too! :P | 02:35 |
| amr- | can i use the n810 hardware kb? | 02:35 |
| amr- | does sega/nes emulation work? | 02:35 |
| amr- | work well | 02:35 |
| man_in_shack | nes emulation seems fine with ines | 02:35 |
| Maiku | Stskeeps: oh, and make a small change in wme.c | 02:36 |
| man_in_shack | mg (sega systems) does not seem to work | 02:36 |
| amr- | ah | 02:36 |
| amr- | i quite fancy some original sonic | 02:36 |
| amr- | or mario | 02:36 |
| man_in_shack | and yes, you can use the hardware kb, but i haven't had success pressing two perpendicular directions at once | 02:36 |
| amr- | im almost sure i had sonic working at some point | 02:36 |
| man_in_shack | amr-, if it wasn't for the fact that gens-gs has i386 asm at the heart, i'd be trying to port it to maemo :) | 02:36 |
| amr- | heh | 02:37 |
| man_in_shack | let's see ... | 02:39 |
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| man_in_shack | if you want a completely insane game that you can't beat for anything, tuxpuck is good | 02:40 |
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| tomaterr | man... | 02:40 |
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| tomaterr | has any1 used nokia rma? | 02:41 |
| amr- | ah i did get sonic advance working perfectly fine! | 02:41 |
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| tomaterr | does nokia even have rma? | 02:43 |
| man_in_shack | tomaterr, they'd have to | 02:43 |
| man_in_shack | if the hardware is faulty, and covered by warranty | 02:44 |
| amr- | can i return my 770? :P | 02:44 |
| amr- | my old and ancient 770 | 02:44 |
| man_in_shack | if it's faulty and under warranty, sure. you could get a new one in exchange ;) | 02:45 |
| amr- | thatd actually be fantastic | 02:45 |
| amr- | its deffo under a year old | 02:45 |
| amr- | i assume thats how long the warranty is | 02:45 |
| tomaterr | ah | 02:45 |
| tomaterr | I fond it | 02:45 |
| tomaterr | but, should I rma through nokia, or where I bought it? | 02:46 |
| man_in_shack | if you take it back where you bought it, they might be able to put the rma in for you | 02:46 |
| amr- | depends what country you live in too | 02:47 |
| man_in_shack | you might even be able to walk away with a new one, depending on their store policy | 02:47 |
| tomaterr | bought online | 02:47 |
| amr- | i know in the uk youd return it to the retailer | 02:47 |
| man_in_shack | ah | 02:48 |
| tomaterr | but, does nokia do the 'check for drop damage" thing? | 02:48 |
| amr- | say what now | 02:49 |
| tomaterr | like do they say | 02:49 |
| amr- | i seriously cannot recommend sonic advance & vgba highly | 02:49 |
| amr- | enough | 02:49 |
| tomaterr | this is because you dropped the device | 02:49 |
| amr- | absolutely fantastic | 02:49 |
| amr- | oh, dunno | 02:49 |
| tomaterr | no device for you | 02:49 |
| tomaterr | ok | 02:49 |
| tomaterr | thanks | 02:49 |
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| man_in_shack | amr-, vgba doesn't work well? | 02:51 |
| amr- | it does | 02:52 |
| amr- | it works fantastically | 02:52 |
| amr- | i meant i cant recommend it high enough | 02:52 |
| amr- | time to find more vgba games that work as well | 02:52 |
| tomaterr | I wish my n810 was working.... | 02:53 |
| man_in_shack | tomaterr, what did you do to it? :P | 02:53 |
| amr- | whats wrong with it? | 02:53 |
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| amr- | ooo | 03:04 |
| amr- | and original mario is cool | 03:04 |
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| tomaterr | the touchscreen doesn't work | 03:06 |
| tomaterr | In part | 03:07 |
| man_in_shack | ooh ooh, i have the perfect test for Tear on maemo! | 03:07 |
| amr- | ?? | 03:07 |
| tomaterr | what would that be? | 03:08 |
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| Maiku | are there any good guides for getting a newer kernel on an n810? | 03:12 |
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| Maiku | including any necessary patches/module fixes etc? | 03:12 |
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| man_in_shack | university's "employee self-service" system only works in MSIE and selected khtml/webkit browsers | 03:15 |
| man_in_shack | damn, i still want to turn off this crappy nokia "greeting" | 03:15 |
| tomaterr | are touchscreen breaks common ? | 03:16 |
| amr- | man_in_shack, which greeting | 03:17 |
| Firebird | tomaterr, my N810's screen has been replaced 3 times | 03:17 |
| qwerty12_N810 | man_in_shack: /usr/share/sounds/ui-wake_up_tune.wav | 03:17 |
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| man_in_shack | ty qwerty12_N810 | 03:18 |
| man_in_shack | ok, Tear has already got further than midori | 03:18 |
| man_in_shack | that's a good sign | 03:18 |
| man_in_shack | awesome | 03:18 |
| man_in_shack | f***ing fantastically awesome | 03:18 |
| * man_in_shack hugs Tear | 03:18 | |
| Firebird | ? | 03:19 |
| man_in_shack | who's the guy who recommended Tear to me last night? | 03:19 |
| man_in_shack | Stskeeps maybe? | 03:19 |
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| tomaterr | can you repair the screen urself? | 03:21 |
| Firebird | if you mean by hitting it or opening it.. don't think so | 03:22 |
| qwerty12_N810 | tomaterr: http://www.nmacleod.com/nokia/schematics/ - knock yourself out... | 03:22 |
| Firebird | it was the flexprint in mine which attaches the screen to the main board which broke.. 3 times | 03:22 |
| man_in_shack | qwerty12_N810, yay, no sound is much better | 03:23 |
| qwerty12_N810 | hehe | 03:23 |
| man_in_shack | qwerty12_N810, now if i could only get it to not delay while showing the "hands" greeting ... :) | 03:23 |
| qwerty12_N810 | It's still loading stuff at that point - desktop is a little slow in loading :) | 03:25 |
| man_in_shack | yeah, i've noticed that | 03:25 |
| man_in_shack | well, i've now removed midori | 03:27 |
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| man_in_shack | should probably also remove nethack :P | 03:27 |
| Mikho | that reduces your chances of ascending drastically... | 03:28 |
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| man_in_shack | Mikho, not really | 03:32 |
| man_in_shack | i suck at it | 03:32 |
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| man_in_shack | is there a way to change the preferred pdf reader from bundled "PDF reader" to evince? :) | 03:33 |
| qwerty12_N810 | Maybe by using pipeline's DBus-Switchboard | 03:34 |
| * lcuk once wrote a pdf parser | 03:35 | |
| lcuk | in visual basic :| | 03:35 |
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| man_in_shack | qwerty12_N810, where do i get that? :) | 03:46 |
| qwerty12_N810 | http://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?t=17757 | 03:47 |
| man_in_shack | looks like fun | 03:47 |
| man_in_shack | i should try to find a better theme for my n810 :P | 03:51 |
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| man_in_shack | huh, apparently evince is already linked to .pdf files | 03:54 |
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| man_in_shack | tear is still launching "PDF Reader" and not evince though | 03:59 |
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| man_in_shack | ah, it's attached to .pdfs but not the pdf mimetype | 04:00 |
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| NCommander | Hey all | 04:07 |
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| NCommander | Is it possible to kexec() on the N810, and secondly, is there good instructions on customizing the iniramfs on the device? | 04:07 |
| man_in_shack | awesome, now i have Tear launching evince :D | 04:08 |
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| tomaterr | ahoot | 04:12 |
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| Luke-Jr | ShadowJK: Gentoo's working fine, alogn with 2.6.30 | 04:21 |
| Luke-Jr | ShadowJK: GPS requires extra hacks to work under 2.6.30, which I have chosen not to release at this time, so Nokia has some incentive to cooperate. | 04:22 |
| Luke-Jr | NCommander: kexec has had issues, but I *think* it's possible now | 04:23 |
| Luke-Jr | NCommander: I have a kexec-capable bootmenu on Launchpad | 04:23 |
| NCommander | Luke-Jr, handy; also, gentoo is available for the N8x0? | 04:25 |
| Luke-Jr | NCommander: that's what I'm using | 04:26 |
| NCommander | (as in the raw OS, and not just a chroot jail?) | 04:26 |
| Luke-Jr | yep | 04:26 |
| NCommander | Luke-Jr, link :-)? | 04:26 |
| NCommander | (or if you have a guide for Ubuntu ...) | 04:26 |
| NCommander | Luke-Jr, I've been wanted to do some development work on kexecboot; but I don't have an ARM device that can support it (I have a couple of dev boards, but they all hang when I kexec()) | 04:27 |
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| Luke-Jr | http://slonopotamus.org/gentoo-on-n8x0 | 04:30 |
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| brainy142 | hey shadow still here eh? | 04:35 |
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| Luke-Jr | brainy142: think of how you would feel if you bought a N810 for GPS use, and found out it doesn't work and Nokia has no plans to fix it. that's me. :Ăľ | 04:37 |
| brainy142 | oh hey again Luke | 04:38 |
| Luke-Jr | oh, and Nokia refuses to let you fix it... so far anyway | 04:38 |
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| brainy142 | I hear you love open source :D | 04:38 |
| zerojay | Your gps doesn't work? | 04:38 |
| Luke-Jr | zerojay: N810 GPS software has known bugs that prevent it from working correctly outside of an unmaintained Maemo release | 04:39 |
| brainy142 | my computer wont run closed source os's anymore lol | 04:39 |
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| brainy142 | hey Luke are you one of the programers for mer? | 04:39 |
| Luke-Jr | brainy142: yes, though primarily Gentoo | 04:39 |
| brainy142 | hmm... how's that port going? | 04:39 |
| Luke-Jr | my Mer work is mainly just what we have in common | 04:39 |
| Luke-Jr | it works... | 04:40 |
| brainy142 | lol | 04:40 |
| Luke-Jr | KDE is too bloated to run smoothly | 04:40 |
| brainy142 | are you going to have 3s acelleration on the smart q? | 04:40 |
| brainy142 | and yes I do agree about the KDE | 04:40 |
| Luke-Jr | 3s? | 04:40 |
| brainy142 | *3d | 04:41 |
| Luke-Jr | someone is | 04:41 |
| Luke-Jr | I don't even have a SmartQ yet | 04:41 |
| brainy142 | ah, I'l have to wait for the "nation" tester | 04:41 |
| brainy142 | hopefully he gets it soon | 04:41 |
| brainy142 | wonder what os will win... | 04:41 |
| Luke-Jr | win? | 04:42 |
| brainy142 | wince, ubuntu, or mer | 04:42 |
| Luke-Jr | no doubt Mer will beat Gentoo :Ăľ | 04:42 |
| brainy142 | he's going to do a compaitison | 04:42 |
| Luke-Jr | most people don't want to wait days for upgrades | 04:42 |
| brainy142 | then why are you porting gentoo? | 04:42 |
| Luke-Jr | I'm comfortable in Gentoo. | 04:43 |
| brainy142 | ah ic | 04:43 |
| brainy142 | I can like make a picture in turing rofl | 04:43 |
| brainy142 | ya I know... school board | 04:43 |
| Luke-Jr | … | 04:43 |
| brainy142 | I bet you cant wait to see Win CE on the smart Q :D. | 04:44 |
| brainy142 | and all the proprietary software. | 04:44 |
| * Luke-Jr beats brainy142 to a pulp. | 04:45 | |
| brainy142 | I'l probably wait to see what mid's come out this year, the cc1600 one sounds promising... In theroy | 04:45 |
| Luke-Jr | ? | 04:45 |
| brainy142 | The razonator was talkig about it | 04:46 |
| brainy142 | *talking | 04:46 |
| Luke-Jr | link? | 04:46 |
| brainy142 | there's not much info | 04:46 |
| man_in_shack | "wince" could not be named any better than it is | 04:46 |
| Luke-Jr | lol | 04:46 |
| brainy142 | lol thats what my friend said | 04:46 |
| brainy142 | my mom just bought one.... she could have got an android lol | 04:47 |
| man_in_shack | except possibly "flinch" | 04:47 |
| Luke-Jr | brainy142: pfft, Android ftl | 04:47 |
| Luke-Jr | SmartQ ftw | 04:47 |
| brainy142 | what about the pandora? | 04:47 |
| brainy142 | It's dsp is like 400mhz | 04:48 |
| Luke-Jr | I hear they're planning to ship an illegal proprietary fork of Linux with it | 04:48 |
| brainy142 | hmm... I'l check on that | 04:48 |
| Luke-Jr | don't bother, by the time it ships again it'll be obsolete anyway | 04:49 |
| brainy142 | by what... the pandora owns the smart Q? | 04:49 |
| brainy142 | ... although I hear the gfx is good in the smart Q | 04:49 |
| Luke-Jr | uh, no? | 04:49 |
| Luke-Jr | Pandora is 400 MHz you just said :Ăľ | 04:50 |
| Luke-Jr | SmartQ is 600 MHz | 04:50 |
| brainy142 | nope | 04:50 |
| brainy142 | pandora is 600mhz arm cortex | 04:50 |
| Luke-Jr | so it's the same | 04:50 |
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| brainy142 | smart Q is 677mhz arm 11 | 04:50 |
| Luke-Jr | IIRC, N915 is GHz something | 04:50 |
| brainy142 | ooooo | 04:51 |
| brainy142 | ghz | 04:51 |
| brainy142 | POWER | 04:51 |
| brainy142 | that means.... 720p mkv playback | 04:51 |
| Luke-Jr | … | 04:51 |
| Luke-Jr | I don't think the screen is that big | 04:51 |
| man_in_shack | i wonder how well n810 would play videos | 04:51 |
| brainy142 | O come on man, the cc1600 can handle 1080p | 04:52 |
| man_in_shack | of course, it would depend a lot on the codec :P | 04:52 |
| brainy142 | and my computer locked by stupid via drivers (no 3d) can play 720 mkv no problem and its only an amd 2000+ single core | 04:52 |
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| man_in_shack | brainy142, i think your computer might have a larger screen than the n915 will | 04:53 |
| brainy142 | not to mention the rk2808... man that one is nice | 04:53 |
| brainy142 | lol | 04:53 |
| man_in_shack | remember, 720p refers to number of pixels high | 04:53 |
| brainy142 | screen size doesn't matter as much as screen resoution | 04:53 |
| brainy142 | we finally got some video players in 800x480 | 04:53 |
| man_in_shack | 480 != 720 | 04:54 |
| brainy142 | hmm.... wonder what the n10 runs at | 04:54 |
| man_in_shack | even if you could get 720 pixels high on a hand-held, you wouldn't notice it | 04:54 |
| brainy142 | true but what about tv out | 04:54 |
| brainy142 | now If only people didn't use fat 32 sigh | 04:54 |
| brainy142 | I like ext 3/4 | 04:55 |
| man_in_shack | fat32 is a good choice for cross-platform compatibility | 04:55 |
| man_in_shack | even beos supports full read-write access on it | 04:55 |
| brainy142 | but but... it's like blarg | 04:55 |
| brainy142 | 2 gb max a file | 04:55 |
| man_in_shack | <man_in_shack> even beos supports full read-write access on it | 04:55 |
| brainy142 | the rk2808 can support true 1080i video out | 04:56 |
| Luke-Jr | man_in_shack: fat32 is patented | 04:56 |
| man_in_shack | Luke-Jr, i know | 04:56 |
| brainy142 | oh I know lukes "favorite" filesystem... | 04:57 |
| man_in_shack | doesn't change the fact that everyone has support for it | 04:57 |
| Luke-Jr | brainy142: f u, liar -.- | 04:57 |
| brainy142 | N....T....F...S mwahahahahahahaha | 04:57 |
| * Luke-Jr glares brainy142 into the floor. | 04:57 | |
| brainy142 | super propitiatory attack! | 04:57 |
| man_in_shack | brainy142, deliberately trying to annoy people does not go down well | 04:57 |
| brainy142 | ok fine I'l stop | 04:58 |
| Luke-Jr | gee, that's even worse than me | 04:58 |
| Luke-Jr | at least i have rational reasons to be pissed at Nokia | 04:58 |
| brainy142 | NTFS= New technology of S@#$ | 04:59 |
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| brainy142 | If we get some good hardware in the next nokia thingy It could be great.... Imagene TI(texas instriments) video acelleration :D | 05:00 |
| brainy142 | hmm... man the Irc for mer is like dead | 05:01 |
| brainy142 | *not maemo | 05:01 |
| brainy142 | Luke would like my computer, It refuses to run windows | 05:02 |
| brainy142 | I get a Bluescreen.... wait for it | 05:02 |
| brainy142 | when it's trying to install | 05:02 |
| man_in_shack | that's nothing | 05:02 |
| man_in_shack | mine completely hangs on install | 05:03 |
| man_in_shack | not even a bluescreen | 05:03 |
| brainy142 | dam.... | 05:03 |
| brainy142 | I get that too | 05:03 |
| brainy142 | but the bluescreen is kida funny | 05:03 |
| man_in_shack | no | 05:03 |
| man_in_shack | what's funny is having to wipe the partition, reclaim it as part of / on debian, and installing virtualbox PUEL for usb drivers | 05:04 |
| ShadowJK | it's not about hating closed source software, it's about having the freedom and choice to make or use free software of your own choice | 05:04 |
| brainy142 | windows "our OS is stable as a rock" computer " I get a hard error" (2nd try) technical bluscreen | 05:04 |
| brainy142 | me and my friend though it was funny | 05:04 |
| brainy142 | hmm... Mable I'l try linux on the wii someday... | 05:05 |
| man_in_shack | another thing, this laptop came with a "designed for windows xp pro" sticker. guess which variant of windows i was trying to install | 05:05 |
| brainy142 | xp | 05:05 |
| man_in_shack | pro | 05:05 |
| brainy142 | rofl | 05:05 |
| man_in_shack | AND the first time it hung it hung on the billboard that said "most stable version of windows yet" | 05:05 |
| brainy142 | lol | 05:06 |
| brainy142 | Right now I'm running Deban | 05:06 |
| man_in_shack | to be fair, it wasn't the oem version that came with it | 05:06 |
| brainy142 | ah ic | 05:06 |
| man_in_shack | but as the oem version that i had installed also refused to boot ... | 05:06 |
| brainy142 | I was running ubuntu, might go back someday... | 05:06 |
| brainy142 | wow thats a fail | 05:07 |
| brainy142 | thats like a pocket pc not able to install windows mobile | 05:07 |
| man_in_shack | it's like an xbox 360 red ring of death | 05:07 |
| brainy142 | except you get a new 360 for free :D | 05:07 |
| man_in_shack | even if it's out of warranty? | 05:08 |
| brainy142 | you get 3 yrs | 05:08 |
| brainy142 | I gots my 360 for free :D | 05:08 |
| brainy142 | My xbox broke and they sent me a 360 | 05:09 |
| brainy142 | horray for no repairs in Canada :D | 05:09 |
| brainy142 | do you know what sucks... | 05:12 |
| brainy142 | Mac computers | 05:12 |
| brainy142 | they crash a lot | 05:12 |
| brainy142 | Luke-Jr do you know if there are any other interesting MID's coming out? | 05:13 |
| brainy142 | and that maemo 5 os was that a live demo that looked slick? | 05:14 |
| brainy142 | Hey anyone if I were to buy one of the n810's would I ever have mkv playback (smooth)? | 05:18 |
| brainy142 | well have a nice day everyone | 05:19 |
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| comhack | Got a quick question.... how can I run lspci on my n810? Thanks | 05:50 |
| comhack | or where is the binary located | 05:50 |
| comhack | I have root | 05:50 |
| ShadowJK | well | 05:50 |
| ShadowJK | there is no pci bus in tthe n810, so the output of lspci would be empty | 05:51 |
| comhack | ahh makes sense thanks | 05:51 |
| comhack | I am trying to get the exact specs not the ones advertised | 05:51 |
| comhack | like the bluetooth chip, etc. | 05:51 |
| comhack | sound chip, video chip, etc | 05:52 |
| ShadowJK | HCI Ver: 2.0 (0x3) HCI Rev: 0x6cc LMP Ver: 2.0 (0x3) LMP Subver: 0x6cc | 05:53 |
| ShadowJK | Manufacturer: Cambridge Silicon Radio (10) | 05:53 |
| comhack | where you get the info? | 05:53 |
| ShadowJK | hciconfig hci0 version | 05:53 |
| comhack | thanks | 05:54 |
| ShadowJK | needs bluez-utils or something installed | 05:54 |
| comhack | ok | 05:54 |
| ShadowJK | the N810 is based on Texas Instruments OMAP2 | 05:54 |
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| ShadowJK | audio runs on its dsp | 05:54 |
| ShadowJK | there's an epson display controller for graphics | 05:55 |
| comhack | yeah I knew about the processor | 05:55 |
| comhack | got that from cat /proc/cpuinfo | 05:55 |
| comhack | thanks thoughh | 05:55 |
| ShadowJK | it's a SoC, not just a cpu :) | 05:55 |
| comhack | SoC? | 05:55 |
| ShadowJK | system on a chip | 05:55 |
| comhack | gotcha | 05:56 |
| ShadowJK | there's cpu, video and audio in it | 05:56 |
| ShadowJK | and a dsp | 05:56 |
| comhack | oh that makes sense | 05:56 |
| comhack | kinda cool actually | 05:56 |
| comhack | only had it for a few about a month | 05:57 |
| ShadowJK | lshal |less | 05:57 |
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| comhack | thanks | 05:57 |
| ShadowJK | might give you something | 05:57 |
| comhack | thats it | 05:58 |
| comhack | thanks alot | 05:58 |
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| Luke-Jr | comhack: there are no sound/video chips, AFAIK | 05:58 |
| man_in_shack | why is there no "less" on maemo? :( | 05:58 |
| Luke-Jr | comhack: it's a SoC | 05:58 |
| comhack | Luke-Jr: yeah I got that | 05:59 |
| comhack | thanks | 05:59 |
| comhack | where the hell did you find the | key | 05:59 |
| man_in_shack | there isn't one | 05:59 |
| ShadowJK | behind chr | 05:59 |
| comhack | ahh thanks | 05:59 |
| man_in_shack | it's on the second page of character chart | 06:00 |
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| comhack | cool | 06:00 |
| comhack | found it | 06:00 |
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| man_in_shack | also handy to know that tab is on the first page of the character chart :D | 06:00 |
| comhack | duh | 06:00 |
| Luke-Jr | I setup the Yen symbol to be | | 06:00 |
| comhack | pitiful right there in front of me | 06:00 |
| Luke-Jr | and Fullscreen to be tab | 06:00 |
| ShadowJK | luke-jr: there is actually :P the same chip also handles sim cards :) | 06:00 |
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| ShadowJK | not connected to anything on n810, of course | 06:01 |
| Luke-Jr | ShadowJK: why would the N810 contain a chip that isn't connected to anything? | 06:01 |
| GeneralAntilles | comhack, the wikipedia pages are reasonably accurate. | 06:01 |
| GeneralAntilles | Luke-Jr, battery charging. | 06:02 |
| comhack | cool thanks GeneralAntilles | 06:02 |
| GeneralAntilles | Cheaper to recycle parts from other Nokia platforms. | 06:02 |
| ShadowJK | luke-jr: it does a bunch of other stuff too. the sound, codecs and sim card stuff on the chip isn't connected to anything though | 06:02 |
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| Luke-Jr | O.o | 06:02 |
| ShadowJK | nokia reused phone chips instead of designing new ones | 06:02 |
| Luke-Jr | the battery charging has a chip? and it does audio/codecs/SIM? | 06:02 |
| Luke-Jr | wtf is BME for if there's a dedicated chip | 06:03 |
| comhack | GeneralAntilles: those are just the general specs all pages usually show. I was looking for the exact specs audio, video, bluetooth, etc chipset but did not realize that they are built into the chip | 06:03 |
| GeneralAntilles | BB5 | 06:03 |
| ShadowJK | yeah it has a chip... might have two actually | 06:03 |
| GeneralAntilles | Luke-Jr, the chip doesn't contain anything but the most basic protection logic. | 06:03 |
| GeneralAntilles | But something has to be told to handle the voltage scaling and such. . . . | 06:03 |
| GeneralAntilles | Voltage scaling can't magically be done by the OMAP2 | 06:03 |
| Luke-Jr | hmm | 06:04 |
| Luke-Jr | so why didn't they use the sound functionality? :/ | 06:04 |
| GeneralAntilles | Because it's hooked up to the OMAP2. . . . | 06:04 |
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| Luke-Jr | so? | 06:04 |
| ShadowJK | the specs I saw seem to suggest it turns things on at 2.something volt, which is too low for all the n810 components to run on, and too low for the battery to be safe, and too low for the battery to last through boot | 06:04 |
| Luke-Jr | OMAP2 sound takes off CPU time | 06:04 |
| GeneralAntilles | Yeah, it's lower level than that. . . . | 06:05 |
| Luke-Jr | hmm | 06:05 |
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| ShadowJK | considering how much people whine about the external display controller... | 06:05 |
| GeneralAntilles | i.e., it's basically a headphone amp, not a sound controller. . . . | 06:05 |
| man_in_shack | speaking of sound, has anyone noticed latency/stuttering on apps like vgb, ines, etc? | 06:05 |
| Luke-Jr | ah | 06:05 |
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| GeneralAntilles | Luke-Jr, think of it vaguely like the TWL4030 | 06:06 |
| ShadowJK | I woudlnt be surprised if they arent using it at all on their entire smartphone range where cpu is plenty | 06:06 |
| GeneralAntilles | But for OMAP2 and Nokia's own proprietary stuff instead of TI's | 06:06 |
| Luke-Jr | GeneralAntilles: I know nothing of the TWL4030 | 06:06 |
| GeneralAntilles | Luke-Jr, nevermind then. | 06:06 |
| ShadowJK | i think it can do gsm and amr audio codec though | 06:06 |
| Luke-Jr | ooo | 06:06 |
| Luke-Jr | someone should do Free GSM and AMR codecs | 06:07 |
| ShadowJK | it's in progress | 06:07 |
| Luke-Jr | really? | 06:08 |
| ShadowJK | Actually i think there might be some in android | 06:08 |
| Luke-Jr | doubt it, tbh | 06:08 |
| Luke-Jr | they're probably using the non-Free codecs like everyone else | 06:08 |
| Luke-Jr | ignoring the legal problems | 06:08 |
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| ShadowJK | ah well, there's atleast an unfinished LGPL version in ffmpeg's gaoc repo somewhere :) | 06:09 |
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| ShadowJK | I think the guy tasked to complete it got distracted writing a free aac decoder though | 06:10 |
| man_in_shack | is there any point in keeping nokia maps? :P | 06:10 |
| ShadowJK | which is now in ffmpeg and works quite nicely | 06:10 |
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| ShadowJK | gsoc repo* | 06:11 |
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| xnt14[router] | hello world! | 06:13 |
| xnt14[router] | I just installed irssi on my router :P | 06:13 |
| xnt14[router] | openwrt > dd-wrt | 06:13 |
| xnt14[router] | :) | 06:13 |
| GeneralAntilles | man_in_shack, there's no Nokia Maps on Maemo. | 06:13 |
| xnt14[router] | ~seen b-man16 | 06:13 |
| infobot | b-man16 <n=b-man@adsl-90.dacor.net> was last seen on IRC in channel #maemo, 23h 21m 18s ago, saying: 'i think that it requires enabling some functions in the kernel'. | 06:13 |
| xnt14[router] | where the hell is he :P | 06:13 |
| xnt14[router] | ok g2g, ill get my xps back up | 06:14 |
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| ShadowJK | n810 comes with wayfinder | 06:14 |
| ShadowJK | "maps" | 06:14 |
| ShadowJK | which is different from "Nokia Maps", only available on S60 | 06:15 |
| man_in_shack | GeneralAntilles, well whatever it is. the map program that came preinstalled with the n810 | 06:15 |
| GeneralAntilles | ShadowJK, "Map" | 06:15 |
| GeneralAntilles | Wayfinder Map | 06:15 |
| man_in_shack | ok | 06:15 |
| man_in_shack | i have maemo mapper too :D | 06:16 |
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| man_in_shack | ok, this is nuts | 06:40 |
| man_in_shack | i have about 6 abiword links in Extras menu now | 06:40 |
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| man_in_shack | thankfully they're all gone now | 06:43 |
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| Luke-Jr | ShadowJK: "Maps" doesn't work in Diablo | 06:52 |
| Frank___ | Does anyone know what the maemo equivelant to the xscreensaver extension headers is? | 06:52 |
| ShadowJK | map | 06:52 |
| ShadowJK | i'd probably look in osso if someone held a gun ti my head and demanded an answer | 06:53 |
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| ShadowJK | go look yourslf :-) | 07:09 |
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| man_in_shack | anyone tried "simple launcher" hildon applet? it's not getting added when i select it in the applet list on diablo/n810 | 07:17 |
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| man_in_shack | wow, what the hell did i just put on my home screen? | 07:28 |
| man_in_shack | some sort of astrological clock/calendar thingy | 07:29 |
| t_s_o | remind me, are there a browser accessible within canola? | 07:31 |
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| man_in_shack | t_s_o, probably not. i just installed it accidentally and removed it :P | 07:47 |
| t_s_o | i dont think anyone uses simple launcher any more, instead favoring personal launcher, or personal menu... | 07:48 |
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| man_in_shack | personal launcher? | 07:52 |
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| sarower | Hello all, I am wanting to develop a plug-in in maemomm, which is a home screem applet. I think, It can be done by the use of "libhildondesktop". | 07:53 |
| sarower | But there is no help regarding this library! | 07:53 |
| sarower | Where i can get the help .. or tutorial ragarding this! | 07:54 |
| sarower | Any body can say...or do any help! | 07:54 |
| sarower | please! | 07:54 |
| man_in_shack | patience is a virtue | 07:55 |
| man_in_shack | t_s_o, thanks, i'll check out personal launcher ... i see there's also a personal clock :D | 07:58 |
| man_in_shack | heh, personal clock has no downloads or webpage | 07:58 |
| man_in_shack | awesome | 07:59 |
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| man_in_shack | just the project page on garage | 07:59 |
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| sarower | Hello all, I am wanting to develop a plug-in in maemomm, which is a home screem applet. I think, It can be done by the use of "libhildondesktop". But there is no help regarding this library! Where i can get the help .. or tutorial ragarding this! Any body can say...or do any help! please! | 08:37 |
| sarower | X-Fade or Jaffa? | 08:38 |
| sarower | you helped me earlier! | 08:38 |
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| RST38h | sarower: http://maemo.org/api_refs/4.1/libhildondesktop-2.0.18/ | 08:41 |
| RST38h | sarower: http://maemo.org/development/documentation/manuals/4-0-x/writing_hildon_desktop_plug-ins_for_maemo/ | 08:42 |
| sarower | 1 minThanks ... but if i get some example with the configuration file (like autogen.sg, configure.ac, makefile.am etc.) it would be better for me | 08:44 |
| thux | morning | 08:48 |
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| Maiku | Stskeeps: I made good progress until I ran into cancel_work_sync, which would require reimplementing 20+ functions :/ | 09:54 |
| Stskeeps | Maiku: we're still on compat-2.6-wireless? | 09:58 |
| Maiku | compat-wireless-2.6-old, yes | 09:58 |
| Stskeeps | mmkay | 09:58 |
| Maiku | I'm not having much luck with updating kernels, it's acting inconsistently :/ | 09:59 |
| Stskeeps | how come wanting to use stlc45xx btw? | 09:59 |
| Maiku | monitor mode mostly | 09:59 |
| Stskeeps | ah | 10:00 |
| Maiku | the default driver likes to get confused | 10:00 |
| Luke-Jr | I've had better luck with cx3110x monitor mode than stlc45xx actually | 10:01 |
| Maiku | really? | 10:01 |
| Stskeeps | Maiku: meet luke-jr, local troll but he also does interesting work on 2.6.30 for n8x0s | 10:01 |
| Luke-Jr | f u Stskeeps -.- | 10:01 |
| Luke-Jr | maybe I won't miss yo | 10:01 |
| Maiku | Luke-Jr: on kernel 2.6.21 as well? | 10:02 |
| Luke-Jr | Maiku: cx3110x is 2.6.21 | 10:02 |
| Maiku | hmm essids and bssids get corrupted for me a lot | 10:02 |
| Luke-Jr | oh | 10:03 |
| Maiku | when I sort of got it working with 2.6.28 or so the bssids were fine | 10:03 |
| Luke-Jr | I mgiht need to change kismet config for stlc45xx? | 10:03 |
| Maiku | not sure, I've been using airodump | 10:03 |
| Maiku | -ng | 10:03 |
| Maiku | I haven't tried kismet yet | 10:04 |
| Luke-Jr | i c | 10:04 |
| Luke-Jr | kismet ♡ | 10:04 |
| Luke-Jr | it makes me pretty maps | 10:04 |
| Luke-Jr | http://dashjr.org/maps/wifi/ | 10:04 |
| Luke-Jr | :D | 10:04 |
| Maiku | maybe the trick is just to reload the driver when it gets confused? | 10:05 |
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| Luke-Jr | oh, yeah | 10:06 |
| Luke-Jr | /etc/init.d/tablet-wireless restart | 10:06 |
| Luke-Jr | :Ăľ | 10:06 |
| Luke-Jr | on Gentoo anyhow | 10:06 |
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| Stskeeps | Luke-Jr: a-ha, coordinates to help me target you with laser shooting satellites! ;) | 10:07 |
| Luke-Jr | Stskeeps: -.- | 10:07 |
| Stskeeps | jesus, kansas has a lot of APs | 10:08 |
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| Stskeeps | +city | 10:08 |
| Luke-Jr | lol | 10:09 |
| Luke-Jr | yeah | 10:09 |
| Maiku | hmm, well it's not /etc/init.d/tablet-wireless in maemo :P | 10:09 |
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| Maiku | maybe wlancond? | 10:10 |
| Luke-Jr | I use Gentoo | 10:10 |
| Maiku | I figured | 10:10 |
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| aquatix | morning all | 10:15 |
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| Maiku | kismet does seem to be working better.. | 10:38 |
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| crashanddie | Maiku, you have gentoo on your tablet? | 10:41 |
| Maiku | nope | 10:41 |
| crashanddie | why does kismet seem to be working better then? | 10:42 |
| Maiku | it's seeming to be working better than airodump-ng, it isn't making up new variations of essids and bssids | 10:42 |
| Maiku | short of one, but that's within statistical error :P | 10:43 |
| Jaffa | Morning, all | 10:45 |
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| Stskeeps | morn jaffa | 10:54 |
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| hendry | is there some tricks to get more space on a n810? run out of space on /dev/mtdblock4. though a vfat /dev/mmcblk0p1 has loads of space. | 12:04 |
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| t_s_o | there are some pdfs, images, and a video floating around that one can move/delete... | 12:10 |
| t_s_o | beyond that there is the option of booting from SD rather then internal | 12:11 |
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| hendry | t_s_o: then I would have to setup the SD card eh? /dev/mmcblk0p1 seems to be embedded in the device as i can't figure out where it comes out | 12:13 |
| t_s_o | thats a 2GB SD card in the shape of a chip located on the connector where the N800 had a second SD slot... | 12:14 |
| RST38h | "All that innocent experimentation with fuel cells that run on blood has led to this, a flesh-eating clock. " | 12:22 |
| adeus | has anyone compiled qt 4.5.2 for the device? | 12:23 |
| aquatix | RST38h: hm, sounds rather useful | 12:24 |
| RST38h | aquatix: http://www.blogcdn.com/www.engadget.com/media/2009/06/flypaperup-robot.jpg | 12:24 |
| aquatix | oh wow | 12:25 |
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| sarower | i am developing a plug in for N810. I don't have any main() function in the .c file. I have made a .so and a corresponding .desktop file. I have put .so inside "/usr/lib" and desktop file inside "/usr/share/application/hildon-home". But when i am selecting the application from"Home->Select Applet" it is not launching the application. What may be the problem..?Any body can help? | 13:29 |
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| sarower | any comments? | 13:33 |
| sarower | any body? | 13:33 |
| sarower | please....... | 13:33 |
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| sarower | RST38h? | 13:35 |
| sarower | jaffa or X-Fade? | 13:36 |
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| hendry | i have FREMANTLE_ARMEL going and i want to build some stuff from ~/trunk on the host. How do i get to the host's home dir? | 13:37 |
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| Jaffa | sarower: I've never done a plugin, I'm afraid | 13:40 |
| sarower | oh... no man...don't be afraid! | 13:41 |
| sarower | any other person here! | 13:41 |
| sarower | ? | 13:41 |
| lardman | dos hildon desktop produce any output telling you what the problem is? | 13:41 |
| lardman | s/dos/does | 13:42 |
| Stskeeps | Jaffa: my mind boggles over noone making simple eclipse project templates for this stuff.. | 13:42 |
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| sarower | RST38h? | 13:43 |
| sarower | my problem....! | 13:43 |
| sarower | i am developing a plug in for N810. I don't have any main() function in the .c file. I have made a .so and a corresponding .desktop file. I have put .so inside "/usr/lib" and desktop file inside "/usr/share/application/hildon-home". But when i am selecting the application from"Home->Select Applet" it is not launching the application. What may be the problem..?Any body can help? | 13:43 |
| Stskeeps | sarower: you do not need to repeat the question over and over, this isn't a newsticker | 13:43 |
| danielwilms | sarower: patience!!!! have you looked into or followed the instructions in the manual? | 13:43 |
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| lardman | no need to repeat yourself unless it's specifically alehorst you want to talk to | 13:44 |
| sarower | yes... it is ok | 13:44 |
| lardman | look at my reply, is there output? | 13:44 |
| sarower | but as RST38h was in offline... thats why i have repeated... i am sorry for that! | 13:45 |
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| sarower | RST38h: can you please help me? | 13:51 |
| sarower | i can give you the source if you want! | 13:51 |
| qwerty12_N810 | Hint: Repeatedly asking a person the same question multiple times generally makes them less likely for them to want to help you | 13:52 |
| sarower | well...... | 13:53 |
| sarower | i will not repeat again... | 13:53 |
| sarower | qwerty12_N810: you are telling to me? | 13:54 |
| RST38h | sarower: how much are you willing to pay? | 13:54 |
| sarower | don't inderstand! please clarify! | 13:55 |
| sarower | understand* | 13:55 |
| RST38h | sarower: how much money are you willing to pay for helping you with development? | 13:55 |
| sarower | ha ha ha..oh my god.... you are kidding with me..! | 13:56 |
| sarower | jocking...! | 13:56 |
| RST38h | Am I? | 13:56 |
| sarower | yes...? | 13:56 |
| RST38h | I mean, you absolutely INSIST that I help you, look at your code, make it run, etc | 13:57 |
| sarower | no just some hints... | 13:57 |
| RST38h | I am currently at my work place, debugging stuff, being paid for that | 13:57 |
| RST38h | If you want me to debug your stuff instead, I can, but only when paid. | 13:57 |
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| RST38h | Am I being sufficiently clear? | 13:57 |
| sarower | and if you need to see the code.. then i can give it.. for example | 13:58 |
| sarower | ! | 13:58 |
| sarower | don't kidding.. i am poor man..! | 13:58 |
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| RST38h | Then learn to debug your code on your own. | 13:58 |
| Razumihin | RST38h: Are you sure that your emplyer likes the sidejobs ;) | 13:58 |
| RST38h | Razumihin: As long as they are done during off hours, there is no problem | 13:58 |
| Razumihin | :) | 13:58 |
| Razumihin | and my coding flow dropped to irc :( | 13:59 |
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| sarower | RST38h: i know.. the facts.. but if any body can help, then it would be better and quicker.. for me .. right? | 14:00 |
| RST38h | sarower: You are shooting questions since what? 10:00am local time? | 14:01 |
| RST38h | That has been 5 hours ago, sarower =) | 14:01 |
| sarower | RST38h: yah but... i was stopped for 3/4 hours... | 14:01 |
| sarower | i am not continuing to shoot question always! | 14:02 |
| sarower | seems..you are rude... in this era | 14:02 |
| * RST38h is rude and mean | 14:03 | |
| RST38h | Welcome to the real world :) | 14:03 |
| sarower | RST38h: right....you are! | 14:04 |
| sarower | but no quarrell.. as i think i have no fault..! | 14:05 |
| sarower | i am honest and fair... | 14:05 |
| Razumihin | And noisy. | 14:06 |
| javispedro | every window toolbar height seems to be hardcoded in openttd ... | 14:09 |
| javispedro | so either I write a hell of a patch | 14:09 |
| javispedro | or leave them as they are | 14:09 |
| RST38h | javispedro: A #define? =) | 14:09 |
| javispedro | no | 14:09 |
| javispedro | number 13 everywhere | 14:09 |
| * RST38h votes for the patch really | 14:09 | |
| javispedro | btw | 14:09 |
| javispedro | you'll like kinetic scrolling :D | 14:09 |
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| javispedro | at least it works fine in scratchbox, still not tried on device | 14:10 |
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| javispedro | hmm I need to read the C spec | 14:11 |
| javispedro | would #define 13 20 work ? lol | 14:11 |
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| RST38h | javis: no waaay?????!? | 14:12 |
| RST38h | name should start with a letter | 14:12 |
| javispedro | identifiers | 14:13 |
| javispedro | but preprocessor tokens? never read about that | 14:13 |
| RST38h | same rule afaik, but try =) | 14:13 |
| javispedro | either way it won't work, there's some vehicle using 13 for something else | 14:13 |
| javispedro | :( | 14:13 |
| RST38h | a coworker just tried it and got an error message from the preprocessor | 14:14 |
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| javispedro | indeed "macro names must be identifiers" | 14:14 |
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| man_in_pda | ok, this Titan theme is nice | 14:18 |
| javispedro | #openttd referred me to the "hell of a patch" option | 14:19 |
| javispedro | so that'll be for now | 14:20 |
| RST38h | THEY ARE RIGHT | 14:20 |
| RST38h | (sorry, caps was a mistake) | 14:20 |
| javispedro | 261 KiB gzipped patch file :( | 14:20 |
| man_in_pda | CAPS ARE never A MISTAKE | 14:21 |
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| inz | RST, dint yuo raed what you writ befoer you sned it+ | 14:24 |
| RST38h | inz ntrly | 14:26 |
| man_in_pda | heh | 14:26 |
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| qwerty12_N810 | Whee, one can't beat the exhilarating feeling one gets when ones fucking hildon-application-manager refuses to start | 14:28 |
| man_in_pda | handwriting on this thing is slow | 14:28 |
| amr | sonic advance <3 | 14:28 |
| aquatix | qwerty12_N810: finally something to fix again? | 14:29 |
| RST38h | to everybody who needs something to fix, there is Modest. | 14:29 |
| RST38h | especially considering that its maintainers ain't gonna fix it most likely | 14:30 |
| man_in_pda | amr, do you have any sound issues with it (or other emulators)? | 14:30 |
| qwerty12_N810 | aquatix: meh, it shoves configuration files all over the place :\ | 14:30 |
| javispedro | indeed. what's with "non-deleting the messages I tell modest to delete" issue? | 14:30 |
| amr | i do with urm | 14:30 |
| amr | vgb | 14:30 |
| amr | it misses some notes | 14:30 |
| amr | and the same with ines | 14:30 |
| amr | sound is pretty spot on in vgba though | 14:30 |
| man_in_pda | hm ok | 14:31 |
| amr | well, it is with this rom | 14:31 |
| amr | i haven't tried any other games for gba | 14:31 |
| aquatix | qwerty12_N810: fun | 14:31 |
| man_in_pda | i'm going to have to find something to play on vgba then :P | 14:31 |
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| amr | sonic advance! :D | 14:31 |
| amr | im trying to get konami krazy racers on there | 14:32 |
| qwerty12_N810 | I aint reflashing for shit though | 14:32 |
| amr | i remember loving that | 14:32 |
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| amr | actually | 14:32 |
| amr | i wonder what the keys are for the shoulder buttons | 14:32 |
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| man_in_pda | i've got a few games where the characters only appeared again in SSB:Brawl | 14:33 |
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| man_in_pda | kid iccarus, ice climbers ... | 14:33 |
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| man_in_pda | wish i could get earthbound but i don't see a snes emulator for maemo | 14:33 |
| RST38h | there is NES version of Earthbound afaik | 14:34 |
| hendry | does anyone know where I've gone wrong here? http://pastebin.com/m2997d400 | 14:35 |
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| man_in_pda | RST38h, ah yes, i was looking for the wrong name | 14:36 |
| man_in_pda | "mother" was original | 14:36 |
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| amr | man_in_pda, do you know what the shoulder buttons are bound to in vgba for the n810? | 14:39 |
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| man_in_pda | amr, my guess is -/+ on the top | 14:39 |
| amr | hmms, sonic doesnt use it so i cant check, tut! | 14:40 |
| amr | ill give that a go | 14:40 |
| amr | thanks | 14:40 |
| man_in_pda | not sure about anything on the keyboard though | 14:40 |
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| RST38h | hendry: looks like you do not have the correct gcc version | 14:43 |
| pvanhoof | jeremiah, ping | 14:43 |
| pvanhoof | jeremiah, message from Quim: | 14:44 |
| pvanhoof | "google-album-art-downloader at extras-devel is showing up in the | 14:44 |
| pvanhoof | Application Manager. Being a library it shouldn't be visible to end | 14:44 |
| pvanhoof | users. Please fix this when you have the chance. Thanks!" | 14:44 |
| pvanhoof | jeremiah, let me know what category I should pick instead | 14:44 |
| RST38h | hendry: AFAIK, Maemo supports two GCCs, 2005 an 2007. I would checkwhich one you have got and configure SDK properly | 14:44 |
| amr | ouch | 14:44 |
| amr | konami krazy racing music is BAD | 14:44 |
| hendry | RST38h: fakeroot dpkg-buildpackage fixed it btw | 14:44 |
| amr | very stuttery | 14:44 |
| * RST38h shouldn't have enabled audio in VGBA | 14:44 | |
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| amr | i think it might be o and p | 14:46 |
| amr | as shoulder buttons | 14:46 |
| amr | shift is urm, a | 14:46 |
| amr | ctrl is b | 14:46 |
| amr | return is start,o and p are soulder | 14:46 |
| amr | shoulder* | 14:46 |
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| hendry | does fremantle not have debconf? | 14:57 |
| _berto_ | pvanhoof: what's the current category ? | 14:58 |
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| andre__ | _berto_, "Multimedia" it is currently | 15:04 |
| javispedro | wtf | 15:04 |
| javispedro | god | 15:04 |
| javispedro | is the "extras uploads automatically go to maemo.org frontpage" thing enabled?? | 15:05 |
| RST38h | amr: QWERTYUIOP are should buttons | 15:06 |
| RST38h | amr: ZXCVBNM are FIRE-B | 15:06 |
| RST38h | amr: ASDFGHJKL SPACE are FIRE-A | 15:06 |
| qwerty12_N810 | javispedro: No, but it automatically updates if you promote a newer version | 15:06 |
| javispedro | well it did | 15:07 |
| _berto_ | andre__: I mean, in the debian package | 15:07 |
| _berto_ | the Section: field | 15:07 |
| javispedro | dish | 15:08 |
| _berto_ | at least in diablo, only sections that begin with "user/" appear in the app manager | 15:08 |
| javispedro | now I'm noticing the person who uploaded the last openttd package to extras was not the same who created the openttd entry | 15:08 |
| lopz | hi ;) | 15:08 |
| javispedro | so I forgot to email the person who created the openttd download entry | 15:09 |
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| amr | oh | 15:13 |
| amr | nice | 15:13 |
| amr | thanks RST38h | 15:13 |
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| RST38h | TAB is SELECT, ENTER is START | 15:14 |
| amr | pardon, tab? | 15:14 |
| amr | i didnt even realise we had a tab | 15:14 |
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| hendry | i have the FREMANTLE sdk setup. can i run fennec somehow? | 15:16 |
| hendry | how do i start X etc. | 15:16 |
| * xnt14[server] wonders how the hell you guys stayed up so long | 15:17 | |
| xnt14[server] | fremantle? | 15:17 |
| xnt14[server] | I think fennec is diablo only for now | 15:17 |
| * xnt14[server] boots up his main computer | 15:17 | |
| xnt14[server] | try transplanting the deb | 15:18 |
| RST38h | amr: then SELECT is on some other button =) | 15:18 |
| * RST38h does not remember which one though | 15:18 | |
| hendry | [sbox-FREMANTLE_ARMEL: ~] > af-sb-init.sh start | 15:18 |
| hendry | bash: af-sb-init.sh: command not found | 15:18 |
| hendry | xnt14[server]: or webkit, i don't care | 15:18 |
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| hendry | ok, i think i did the minimal install. that's why. | 15:20 |
| xnt14[server] | :P | 15:20 |
| xnt14[server] | k | 15:20 |
| xnt14[server] | btw if you still want the urls | 15:21 |
| xnt14[server] | ftp://ftp.mozilla.org/pub/mobile/dists/chinook/release/binary-armel/fennec_1.0b2_armel.deb | 15:21 |
| hendry | can I get my n810 running Fremantle? | 15:21 |
| xnt14[server] | not at the moment | 15:21 |
| xnt14[server] | well not at all until mer gets stable | 15:21 |
| xnt14[server] | mer = fremantle port to the n8x0 series | 15:22 |
| xnt14[server] | well mer is stable, just missing some things | 15:22 |
| xnt14[server] | brb | 15:22 |
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| man_in_pda | hmm, what is fennec? | 15:23 |
| xnt14 | man_in_pda, fennec = firefox mobile (currently availible for the nits and winmo phones) | 15:25 |
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| javispedro | ok, expect a kinetic scrolling-capable openttd build in extras-devel soon | 15:28 |
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| javispedro | I promoted the other one as I'll consider that stable | 15:28 |
| javispedro | (of course the kinetic scrolling itself will suck, i still need to read a bit more about it) | 15:29 |
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| RST38h | =) | 15:31 |
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| timeless_mbp | xnt14: b2 for nits and a2 for winmo :) | 15:33 |
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| xnt14 | yeah that too :) | 15:33 |
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| timeless_mbp | speaking of which, i wonder what i get on osx :) | 15:34 |
| xnt14 | :) | 15:34 |
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| timeless_mbp | http://ftp.mozilla.org/pub/mozilla.org/mobile/1.0b2/ | 15:37 |
| timeless_mbp | for people running more traditional systems :) | 15:37 |
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| man_in_pda | ok, so now i have this thing looking and feeling the way i want, complete with awesome web browser | 15:43 |
| man_in_pda | all that's missing is my wifi support | 15:43 |
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| pvanhoof | _berto_, Section: user/multimedia | 15:48 |
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| pvanhoof | _berto_, http://gitorious.org/google-album-art-downloader/google-album-art-downloader/blobs/master/debian/control | 15:48 |
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| pvanhoof | Can somebody give me advise on how to put a post-install script into a debian package? | 16:09 |
| pvanhoof | I have it in ordinary bash script.sh atm, I want to execute this post-install | 16:10 |
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| qwerty12_N810 | Save the script as debian/postinst | 16:11 |
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| hendry | what is the browser executable in Fremantle? | 16:32 |
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| pvanhoof | qwerty12_N810, thanks | 16:36 |
| pvanhoof | qwerty12_N810, that's all I need to do? I don't need to mention it in rules or something? | 16:36 |
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| qwerty12_N810 | pvanhoof: nope, dh_installdeb handles it for you | 16:37 |
| pvanhoof | qwerty12_N810, you know whether dbus-send is available on the PR image (typically)? | 16:37 |
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| qwerty12_N810 | pvanhoof: no, sorry, don't know the first thing about Fremantle :) | 16:38 |
| pvanhoof | ok, thanks for the info about postinst | 16:38 |
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| Jaffa | pvanhoof: dbus-send's been available in every Maemo version so far on the device (IIRC) | 16:43 |
| pvanhoof | Jaffa, thanks | 16:44 |
| pvanhoof | Jaffa, the script I just added (to the google-images album art downloader) requests albumart postinst the albumart downloader | 16:44 |
| pvanhoof | Which means that for all albums that didn't yet have albumart, a request is made | 16:45 |
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| pvanhoof | http://gitorious.org/google-album-art-downloader/google-album-art-downloader/commit/0c50befd9963e6eae07b846f5fa5c067ce188a09 | 16:45 |
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| pvanhoof | _berto_, I still wonder about the user/multimedia category and the comment from Quim, any advise on what Section: line I should use instead? | 16:46 |
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| RST38h | btw why not user/media ? | 16:50 |
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| Firebird | hmm.. is there a maemo port of allegro? | 16:54 |
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| X-Fade | RST38h: Because that is not an official section. | 16:58 |
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| RST38h | X-Fade: Too bad | 17:00 |
| RST38h | X-Fade: "multimedia" is too long, longer than most other categories | 17:00 |
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| X-Fade | RST38h: It is only a 'functional english' name. Not the pretty one you see in the AM. | 17:01 |
| X-Fade | RST38h: And we also have development, navigation and education being about the same length. | 17:02 |
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| RST38h | ah | 17:05 |
| RST38h | true | 17:05 |
| GAN800 | ~package-categories | 17:07 |
| RST38h | Finally, somebody thought about it: http://gizmodo.com/5303579/80s-superhero-alert-motorcycle-features-full+sized-sidecar | 17:07 |
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| GAN800 | ~package-categories is http://wiki.maemo.org/Package_Categories | 17:08 |
| infobot | GAN800: okay | 17:08 |
| GAN800 | Need more time. . . . | 17:11 |
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| _Mayito_ | hi all | 17:20 |
| _Mayito_ | someone can help me to flash my nokia n810 ? please :-D ... | 17:21 |
| murrayc | Stskeeps: Is there no mailing list for mer? | 17:21 |
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| RST38h | there is itt | 17:21 |
| _berto_ | pvanhoof: if you don't want your package to appear in the app manager, just remove the 'user/' prefix | 17:21 |
| RST38h | moo wazd | 17:21 |
| wazd | RST38h: heya | 17:21 |
| wazd | hello all | 17:21 |
| _Mayito_ | hi wazd | 17:22 |
| pvanhoof | _berto_, ok | 17:22 |
| _berto_ | pvanhoof: if it's a library, I guess the section should be 'libs' | 17:22 |
| _berto_ | (away) | 17:23 |
| murrayc | Stskeeps: The "Discussion" page linked from here doesn't exist: http://wiki.maemo.org/Mer | 17:23 |
| VDVsx | ~flashing | 17:24 |
| infobot | well, flashing is http://wiki.maemo.org/Updating_the_tablet_firmware | 17:24 |
| murrayc | Ah, I see that's just a generic per-page wiki link. (I don't think it's wise to make that as prominient as the site-wide links.) | 17:24 |
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| Stskeeps | murrayc: wiki.maemo.org/Mer/Awareness -- refers to mer-chatter@garage.maemo.org ,, high volume microblogging, digest mode recommended | 17:24 |
| Stskeeps | but also normal posts | 17:24 |
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| VDVsx | _Mayito_, http://wiki.maemo.org/Updating_the_tablet_firmware | 17:25 |
| murrayc | The mailing list is a feed or twitter/jaiku messages? Have you lost your senses? | 17:25 |
| _Mayito_ | VDVsx: thank you, when I said I want to flash my tablet, I meant I want to flash my tablet to the internal memory instead the default\ | 17:26 |
| murrayc | Anyway, I wanted to ask about hardware for me. I want to get some beagleboards. But I guess that maemo on mer (or anywhere) is useless without a touchscreen. | 17:26 |
| murrayc | So what touchscreens are people using with maemo on beagleboards? | 17:27 |
| _Mayito_ | VDVsx: I decided to flash the OS to the internal memory card, I think there is plenty space to hold the OS and all the software I need, so I just followed the little tutorial up to the partitioning part ... I did even already partitioned my internal flash card | 17:27 |
| Stskeeps | no, short mail messages, either manually or throuugh irc. we used jaiku in the past but it sucked. the mailing list stuff works quite well - mer | 17:28 |
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| Stskeeps | mer works with mouse too | 17:28 |
| murrayc | Stskeeps: Is there any chance of their ever being an actual mailing list so people can actually discuss mer? | 17:28 |
| _Mayito_ | VDVsx: the little tutorial asks you to format those two new partitions, which I did it, my question is, which partition should I have mounted before the flashing ? | 17:28 |
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| Stskeeps | murrayc: sure, most people use mer-chatter to be always up to date so most are subscribed there or through rss | 17:30 |
| murrayc | Stskeeps: Is that a "Yes, we can add a mailing list"? | 17:31 |
| Stskeeps | murrayc: but yes, i'll look at mailing list when i'm back from holiday | 17:31 |
| murrayc | THanks. | 17:31 |
| Stskeeps | but mer-chatter is usable for discussion too | 17:32 |
| murrayc | Who would ever open any email that I sent to it. It would be lost in all that crap. | 17:32 |
| murrayc | And if people are using digest then their's no way to have a threaded conversation. | 17:33 |
| murrayc | Really, this is rather obvious. | 17:33 |
| murrayc | s/their's/there's | 17:33 |
| Stskeeps | sorry for typos, on way to holiday in train. and you're right | 17:33 |
| X-Fade | I guess you can also use talk? | 17:33 |
| murrayc | Maybe. It should at least be mentioned on the website. | 17:33 |
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| Stskeeps | yeah, thats where our primary discussions are. will do when i'm back in a week --- lbt: can you refer to Talk/alternatives in mer wiki? | 17:35 |
| lbt | http://wiki.maemo.org/Talk:Mer | 17:35 |
| lbt | done already ;) | 17:36 |
| * RST38h does not open any email from developers mailing list | 17:36 | |
| RST38h | So? | 17:36 |
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| Stskeeps | not sure thats where that belongs.. :P | 17:36 |
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| GAN800 | murrayc, that's how the wiki is arranged. Deal. | 17:37 |
| RST38h | I guess different people have different communication habits | 17:37 |
| murrayc | GAN800: I'm filing a bug about the misleading styling of those links in the wiki. That's how I deal. | 17:37 |
| lbt | murrayc: I'm used to email based dev too... but I use filters to arrange my email and Mer-chatter works very well for me. | 17:38 |
| lbt | I'd be happy to have Mer as well though | 17:39 |
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| lbt | Even so... Mer is significantly irc based at the moment | 17:39 |
| b-man16 | hello | 17:39 |
| xnt14 | hi | 17:39 |
| b-man16 | my tablet is dead :((((((((((((( | 17:39 |
| lbt | CPR ? | 17:39 |
| xnt14 | X( | 17:40 |
| b-man16 | i'm on my acer atm | 17:40 |
| Stskeeps | did you overwrite nolo? | 17:40 |
| GAN800 | Just a ray of bright sunshine today. | 17:40 |
| xnt14 | diagnosis? | 17:40 |
| xnt14 | what happened | 17:40 |
| xnt14 | bl courrupted? | 17:40 |
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| xnt14 | X( | 17:41 |
| b-man16 | when i unpluged it from my charger it never turned on | 17:41 |
| xnt14 | is it abnormaly warm? | 17:41 |
| b-man16 | nope | 17:41 |
| xnt14 | take out the battery now | 17:41 |
| b-man16 | i allrety did | 17:41 |
| b-man16 | :( | 17:41 |
| xnt14 | :( | 17:41 |
| X-Fade | Power button broke? | 17:42 |
| xnt14 | no | 17:42 |
| X-Fade | Charger broke? | 17:42 |
| xnt14 | then it would have turned on when bman plugged it in | 17:42 |
| xnt14 | maybe | 17:42 |
| b-man16 | i think it has something related to the base firmware | 17:42 |
| xnt14 | how good are you with smd soldering? | 17:42 |
| * xnt14 has an idea | 17:42 | |
| b-man16 | but i can't reflash it since it won"t turn on | 17:43 |
| X-Fade | b-man16: You should check with another charger. | 17:43 |
| X-Fade | And make sure the connector inside your tablet isn't missing that little pin :) | 17:43 |
| b-man16 | i don't have another charger :( | 17:43 |
| xnt14 | :( | 17:43 |
| xnt14 | make one? | 17:43 |
| b-man16 | lol | 17:43 |
| xnt14 | im serious :P | 17:44 |
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| X-Fade | b-man16: Then us a meter to check if the charger still provides a voltage? | 17:44 |
| X-Fade | *use | 17:44 |
| xnt14 | I had a thin client with no powersupply, I took my old router charger and used that | 17:44 |
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| xnt14 | then try to check the battery | 17:44 |
| xnt14 | but be carful | 17:44 |
| xnt14 | *careful | 17:44 |
| b-man16 | i'm shure it"s not the charger | 17:45 |
| xnt14 | the battery could blow up | 17:45 |
| b-man16 | rofl | 17:45 |
| * xnt14 wished that ohio wasn't far from here :P | 17:45 | |
| b-man16 | i'm thinking of sending it to nokia to get it fixed | 17:45 |
| X-Fade | xnt14: Heh, measuring it isn't rocket science ;) | 17:45 |
| Stskeeps | murrayc: mer-discuss@ sent for approval, thanks for pointing it out | 17:45 |
| xnt14 | X-Fade, :) | 17:45 |
| xnt14 | well isn't the n800 discontinued? | 17:46 |
| b-man16 | and i i can"t, i"ll buy an N810 | 17:46 |
| RST38h | Meanwhile: http://www.reghardware.co.uk/2009/06/29/3gs_burn_claims/ | 17:46 |
| xnt14 | RST38h, im glad i held out on the 3gs :P | 17:47 |
| b-man16 | damn | 17:47 |
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| * b-man16 is used to a touchscreen kb | 17:47 | |
| b-man16 | XD | 17:47 |
| xnt14 | xD | 17:47 |
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| RST38h | xn14: Who knows, maybe N9xx will explode after you watch a few hours of video non-stop =) | 17:47 |
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| * xnt14 can't live without his sw kb :P | 17:47 | |
| xnt14 | RST38h, yeah that too :P | 17:47 |
| * b-man16 can't live without his tablet XD | 17:48 | |
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| * xnt14 can't live without his computer(s) xD | 17:48 | |
| b-man16 | xD | 17:48 |
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| xnt14 | well, I sorta can live without my ipod :P | 17:48 |
| b-man16 | i'm forced to use vista ftw :( | 17:49 |
| xnt14 | :( | 17:49 |
| xnt14 | livecd? | 17:49 |
| xnt14 | nah liveusb | 17:49 |
| xnt14 | persistent storage | 17:49 |
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| xnt14 | I though your dad used ubuntu? | 17:49 |
| b-man16 | ubuntu won't detect a wireless dongle | 17:49 |
| xnt14 | broadcom? | 17:49 |
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| b-man16 | nope :( | 17:50 |
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| xnt14 | :( | 17:50 |
| xnt14 | what card is it? | 17:50 |
| b-man16 | it's a usb wifi dongle | 17:51 |
| xnt14 | are you in vista atm? | 17:51 |
| qwerty12_N800 | Is the GPS statusbar applet regulated by libgpsmgr or libgpsbt? | 17:51 |
| b-man16 | yup x( | 17:51 |
| xnt14 | X( | 17:51 |
| b-man16 | and untill i can get my tablet replaced/repaired, i might not be on verry often :((((((((((((( | 17:52 |
| xnt14 | :(((((((((((((((((((((((((((((((((((((((((((((((((((((((((((((((((((((((( | 17:52 |
| xnt14 | do you have any other devices which can run linux? | 17:53 |
| xnt14 | old laptop | 17:53 |
| xnt14 | etc... | 17:53 |
| b-man16 | nope x( | 17:54 |
| xnt14 | x( | 17:54 |
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| Stskeeps | bloodyy emo kids | 17:54 |
| * xnt14 would give b-man his n810 until he got his n800 fixed if he could go to ohio in 15mins :( | 17:54 | |
| b-man16 | :) :( | 17:55 |
| xnt14 | :( :) | 17:55 |
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| * b-man16 screams into a pillow | 17:55 | |
| xnt14 | what did you last to on it? | 17:56 |
| xnt14 | *do | 17:56 |
| * xnt14 can feel b-man's pain.... | 17:56 | |
| xnt14 | ... | 17:56 |
| b-man16 | i was finishing up some software in hlfs, and then i turned it off | 17:56 |
| xnt14 | how did that kill it? | 17:57 |
| b-man16 | i have no idea :( | 17:57 |
| xnt14 | :( | 17:57 |
| * xnt14 is surrounded by computers, yet he can't give one to b-man because of distance :( | 17:58 | |
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| b-man16 | ok, g2g, i'll see if i can get back on later sometime today | 17:58 |
| xnt14 | k | 17:58 |
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| VDVsx | jeremiah, ping | 18:03 |
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| lbt | qwerty12_N800: hi | 18:10 |
| qwerty12_N800 | hey lbt | 18:10 |
| lbt | advanced-power is one of yours isn't it? | 18:10 |
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| qwerty12_N800 | The package? Yes, in that case | 18:11 |
| lbt | I think it belongs in :UI in Mer, not HW:N8x0 .... make sense? | 18:11 |
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| lbt | it should run on SmartQ.... ? | 18:11 |
| lbt | also advanced-power-monitor | 18:12 |
| lbt | whereas hald-addon-bme is HW:N8x0 | 18:12 |
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| qwerty12_N800 | I guess so, indeed. The choice of where it should go wasn't made by me. Dunno about SmartQ other then toggles' work. | 18:13 |
| lbt | sure... it should run anywhere though :) | 18:13 |
| lbt | cool ... done | 18:13 |
| qwerty12_N800 | :) | 18:13 |
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| andrei1089 | hi | 18:18 |
| andrei1089 | is there any value that I can check to see if the battery of an N810 is in good condition? | 18:19 |
| timeless_mbp_ | i presume burning it would be a bad idea? | 18:22 |
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| lardman | not really other than logging the voltage every 5min and seeing how it decays | 18:22 |
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| javispedro | i was thinking.. is there a portable (diablo, fremantle, mer compatible at least) way of getting window size (720x420 on diablo) ? | 18:28 |
| javispedro | from bare SDL/X11 | 18:28 |
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| pupnik | sdl cannot change res | 18:31 |
| pupnik | you can with X | 18:32 |
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| pupnik | see mplayer, liqbase | 18:32 |
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| andrei1089 | ok, thanks lardman | 18:32 |
| lardman | np | 18:33 |
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| javispedro | i don't really want to switch res | 18:36 |
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| javispedro | i just want to know how big the task navigator and status bar are | 18:37 |
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| javispedro | though I guess I could just lie and let matchbox resize the window | 18:37 |
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| pupnik | open a screenshop in gimp, javispedro | 18:42 |
| pupnik | t | 18:42 |
| javispedro | but in a portable way | 18:42 |
| pupnik | oh | 18:42 |
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| thopiekar | hi all | 19:21 |
| thopiekar | is there something I need to know when programing with qt4 and python2.5 in devices? | 19:22 |
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| thopiekar | I'm working beside tabletDJ on my own project of a syncing program which uses pyqt4 for its gui and it works fine on win and lin but it fails to load the qt4 module on my divice.. | 19:24 |
| thopiekar | python2.5-qt4-dev is installed... | 19:24 |
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| thopiekar | ok got it now working by installing python2.5-qt-dev-tools | 19:34 |
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| thopiekar | but why is the preformence to slow?! | 19:34 |
| thopiekar | there is not much code behind my little app | 19:34 |
| thopiekar | and why the hell is everything reformated? | 19:36 |
| thopiekar | buttons are too little.. | 19:36 |
| thopiekar | etc | 19:36 |
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| Knowledge | Guys, I just flashed my 770 with 08HE, and I can't seem to get any commands...in xterm. | 20:13 |
| Knowledge | there's only a very very few commands | 20:14 |
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| Knowledge | am I missing something? a package maybe? | 20:14 |
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| practisevoodoo_ | anyone got pyserial working on maemo? i got the bugger installed but im cant communicate over it, and yes i have put the device into host mode | 20:15 |
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| thopiekar | as I know the pyserial module should work fine because it's operating system independent | 20:18 |
| thopiekar | so there should be no difference between a linux-pc and your tablet | 20:19 |
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| thopiekar | but as you can see practisevoodoo_ here in the channel its very quite atm.. I have never worked with that module so it seems that you have to wait a time or start a thread on talk.maemo.org | 20:20 |
| thopiekar | :) | 20:20 |
| practisevoodoo_ | same code that works on my linux machine doesnt work on the nokia | 20:20 |
| practisevoodoo_ | dont worry ill hang around and try again later | 20:21 |
| thopiekar | hmm very strange for sure! | 20:21 |
| thopiekar | k | 20:21 |
| thopiekar | but as you can see the biggest part of problem have you to solve.. http://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?t=29847 | 20:22 |
| thopiekar | :P | 20:22 |
| thopiekar | for example in my case.. | 20:22 |
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| amr | does anyone here know of any irc clients in development for maemo? | 20:30 |
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| amr | im getting sick of xchat | 20:30 |
| RST38h | practise: Let me guess... Reading from non-aligned addresses? | 20:30 |
| practisevoodoo_ | err | 20:30 |
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| GAN800 | amr, what's wrong with XChat? | 20:34 |
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| amr | it's not a maemo native app | 20:34 |
| amr | its clunky | 20:34 |
| qwerty12_N800 | .. | 20:35 |
| GAN800 | Clunky? | 20:35 |
| amr | i mean a 'written-for' application | 20:35 |
| amr | clunky as in, too much clutter | 20:35 |
| GAN800 | it's got tabs, an input field and a text box | 20:35 |
| amr | join more than say 5 channels and the bar overflows off the screen | 20:35 |
| amr | go use the options then | 20:35 |
| amr | far more than is needed | 20:35 |
| GAN800 | It's too simple to be 'clunky'. | 20:35 |
| amr | user experiences are subjective | 20:35 |
| amr | not objective | 20:35 |
| GAN800 | Meh, I use the options maybe once. | 20:35 |
| GAN800 | OK then, whatever. | 20:36 |
| lcuk2 | heh, whats gonna happen when clutter is a part of the ui itself | 20:36 |
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| amr | guess what im using right now :P | 20:39 |
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| fiferboy | lbt: Hey | 20:44 |
| timeless_mbp | Stskeeps: did you have a newer version of xterm for me to try? | 20:47 |
| RST38h | lcuk: clutter^2 | 20:48 |
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| RST38h | actually Xchat is just fine after a bit of tinkering | 20:48 |
| RST38h | can't say the same about gnumeric though | 20:48 |
| amr | lol | 20:49 |
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| Knowledge | See, if I type in wget, it says it's not found... | 21:01 |
| RST38h | Heh, anyone willing to guess the most expensive city in the world? | 21:02 |
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| Knowledge | anyone know what's up with that? | 21:03 |
| RST38h | Knowledge: wget is not found on your machine. you have to install it. | 21:03 |
| Knowledge | right, but I never had to do that before...I always installed xterm and it was there. | 21:04 |
| derf | Copenhagen is #5? What on earth for? | 21:04 |
| Knowledge | hmm... | 21:04 |
| RST38h | derf: #1 is more amusing though | 21:04 |
| * RST38h kinda expected it from Copenhagen | 21:04 | |
| derf | Yeah, but I haven't been to that one. | 21:04 |
| derf | I've been to Copenhagen, and I would never have guessed it'd've made the list. | 21:05 |
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| Knowledge | I don't even know where angola is | 21:05 |
| Knowledge | or luanda | 21:05 |
| Knowledge | for that matter | 21:05 |
| RST38h | Good for you | 21:05 |
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| RST38h | What kind of knowledge are you anyway? | 21:05 |
| Knowledge | not so much of it.... | 21:05 |
| Knowledge | apparently | 21:05 |
| RST38h | derf: what was the exchange rate when you visited? =) | 21:05 |
| derf | 6 kroner/$? | 21:07 |
| derf | Somewhere around there, anyway. | 21:07 |
| RST38h | derf: things changed since then/ | 21:07 |
| derf | "6 Danish kroner = 1.132758 U.S. dollars" | 21:07 |
| derf | I mean, it was like 2 years ago. | 21:07 |
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| toggles_w | so what's #1? | 21:08 |
| RST38h | toggles: Fucking Luanda, Angola | 21:08 |
| RST38h | $50+ for a lunch | 21:08 |
| toggles_w | no way | 21:08 |
| RST38h | yes. | 21:08 |
| Knowledge | either I've been that out of touch with the tablet scene...or all the packages are gone. | 21:08 |
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| RST38h | derf: two years are sufficient. Ruble fell from 23/$ to 31/$ in a couple of months and see what it has done to the ranking? :) | 21:09 |
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| derf | RST38h: I mean, that conversion rate I posted was from Google today. | 21:10 |
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| derf | I mean, I have no real idea what they're using to measure "expensive". | 21:14 |
| derf | If it takes taxes into account, for example, that could skew things quite a bit. | 21:14 |
| derf | All those bicycles... | 21:14 |
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| RST38h | derf: they actually say what they use | 21:18 |
| RST38h | derf: movie ticket, lunch, washing machine, a kilo of rice, etc | 21:18 |
| derf | Yeah, but then I'd have to look for the original article, rather than the first Google result. | 21:18 |
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| RST38h | lazy =) | 21:19 |
| derf | Because this is something worth investing time and effort into? | 21:19 |
| RST38h | knowledge always is | 21:19 |
| derf | There's an infinite amount of it. One has to pick and choose. | 21:20 |
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| RST38h | derf: here, enjoy: http://sfscope.com/2009/05/comics-artist-mark-sable-detai.html :) | 21:21 |
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| johnsq | Hi | 21:29 |
| slonopotamus | hello | 21:33 |
| johnsq | slonopotamus: have you made your own patches for evtouch? | 21:33 |
| slonopotamus | err... no, why? | 21:33 |
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| johnsq | slonopotamus: it didn't compiled with 1.6 xorg | 21:33 |
| slonopotamus | hmm | 21:34 |
| slonopotamus | i have 1.5.3-r6 | 21:34 |
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| johnsq | slonopotamus: here are the quick & dirty patches http://www.goron.de/~johns/n810/xf86-input-evtouch-0.8.8.patch.gz | 21:35 |
| slonopotamus | do they make it build with both 1.5 and 1.6? | 21:35 |
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| johnsq | slonopotamus: I haven't tested. some should work for both because they are api querys ==2 -> >=2 | 21:36 |
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| johnsq | slonopotamus: this no good patchset, only to get it working for testing. i wonder why they haven't added RB emulation to evdev. | 21:38 |
| slonopotamus | rb? | 21:38 |
| johnsq | RB= right button | 21:38 |
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| wazd_n800 | hello again | 21:41 |
| wazd_n800 | can anybody give me an advice bout laptop?) | 21:41 |
| wazd_n800 | I need something like 13", light and good for office work | 21:42 |
| soap | sounds like any 13" light laptop will do. | 21:43 |
| soap | "office work" = covered since Pentium III. | 21:43 |
| wazd_n800 | oh, and something not plastic | 21:43 |
| johnsq | or n810 :) | 21:43 |
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| wazd_n800 | and with price tag not exceding 2k greenbacks) | 21:44 |
| soap | ok, not plastic = mac, leveno, panasonic, and that's about it. | 21:44 |
| soap | ok, mac, leveno. | 21:44 |
| soap | you're making this easy. | 21:44 |
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| wazd_n800 | mac is heavy | 21:44 |
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| RST38h | wazd: A MacBook? :) | 21:45 |
| soap | ok, you've made your decision. A 13" leveno. Done. | 21:45 |
| wazd_n800 | RST38h, it's 2kg, too heavy | 21:45 |
| RST38h | wazd: You want a 13"laptop made of metal | 21:45 |
| RST38h | wazd: Do you expect it to be light? | 21:45 |
| wazd_n800 | RST38h, it's for my sister so weight is critical( | 21:46 |
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| RST38h | wazd: Netbook won't do? | 21:46 |
| soap | why metal? | 21:46 |
| johnsq | wazd_n800: new samsung nxx looks good with atom/ion. | 21:46 |
| wazd_n800 | RST38h, they're too small for her, we were concidering hp 2140 first | 21:47 |
| wazd_n800 | RST38h, we were thinking bout leather asuses | 21:47 |
| RST38h | wazd: 2140 has 10" display | 21:47 |
| RST38h | wazd: Can't say much about asuses, execpt that asus hw is shitty | 21:48 |
| wazd_n800 | RST38h, yep, thats a deal breaker | 21:48 |
| soap | why? | 21:48 |
| RST38h | wazd: you may want to consider toshiba r-series (I have got one) or Lenovo X-series (eek) | 21:48 |
| soap | why is owning two $300 laptops over a period of 4 years a dealbreaker but owning one $1000 over the course of 4 years isn't? | 21:49 |
| RST38h | soap: Price is not an issue. Weight and screen size are. | 21:49 |
| wazd_n800 | soap, 10" screen is a breaker | 21:49 |
| RST38h | wazd: I am pretty sure you won't find anything light with 13" screen, but 12+" is doable | 21:50 |
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| wazd_n800 | soap, she likes my 2133 very much but it's really too small for her work | 21:50 |
| wazd_n800 | rst38h, 12" is fine | 21:50 |
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| RST38h | wazd: I am googling for some site that would let you limit laptop search by weight and screen size | 21:51 |
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| RST38h | wazd: http://www.pcmag.com/products/0,,tqs=360B0CC1DA41680B34D9ABCBEEE4254490F76A59,00.asp?action=defaultadvancedquery&cid=&sid=1565&gridtitle=Recent+Product+Reviews&googlequery=q%3d%26start%3d0%26num%3d10%26mt823%3d21234%26mt395%3d14358%26mt48%3d22590&stpdinglp=1 | 21:53 |
| RST38h | wazd: Limit your search to Ultraportables, Core 2 Duo CPU | 21:53 |
| wazd_n800 | RST38h, oh, thanks alot | 21:54 |
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| VDVsx | RST38h, derf , what is the reference for the most expensive city index, that you guys are following ? o_0 | 21:56 |
| RST38h | wazd: Lenovo X301 looks like a decent choice (13", 3.3lbs) | 21:56 |
| RST38h | VDVsx: http://images.businessweek.com/ss/09/06/0615_most_expensive_cities/index.htm | 21:56 |
| RST38h | wazd: Although I absolutely hate Lenovo | 21:56 |
| VDVsx | RST38h, thanks | 21:58 |
| wazd_n800 | RST38h, well, thinkpads are really not thhe ladies choice) | 21:59 |
| wazd_n800 | RST38h, is your tosh metal? | 21:59 |
| VDVsx | this is very hard to believe, Angola is a rising nation, but still people are very poor out there | 22:00 |
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| lbt | fiferboy: hi | 22:06 |
| fiferboy | How'd the build go? | 22:06 |
| lbt | locally it built -- seems slow though | 22:06 |
| lbt | http://gitorious.org/+mer/qt/qt-mer | 22:07 |
| fiferboy | I'm getting ready to try the 4.5.2 packages - with the fingerscroll libqtgui.so library | 22:07 |
| wazd_n800 | what do you guys think bout dell adamo? | 22:07 |
| wazd_n800 | fiferboy, lbt, heya btw | 22:07 |
| fiferboy | Hey wazd | 22:07 |
| lbt | ^^ git is 4.5.2+fingerscroll :) | 22:07 |
| lbt | hi wazd_n800 | 22:07 |
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| lbt | bbiab | 22:09 |
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| RST38h | wazd: No, my poor R500 is rather cheesy silvery plastic | 22:15 |
| RST38h | wazd: Also the screen isn't very good (lots of backlight leakage) | 22:16 |
| RST38h | wazd: Aside from these two things, it is pretty cool | 22:16 |
| wazd_n800 | rst38h, she wants an eyecatcher to look fine on important negotiations | 22:17 |
| RST38h | wazd: it is pretty eyecatching, like most Porteges | 22:17 |
| Knowledge_ | One last stupid question...what's the repo for downloads.maemo.org | 22:17 |
| wazd_n800 | rst38h, 2133 is really good for this but it's a bit too small | 22:17 |
| RST38h | wazd: Yea, HP's netbooks are cool | 22:18 |
| RST38h | but too small to serve as a desktop replacement | 22:18 |
| qwerty12_N800 | pupnik: http://qwerty12.qole.org/Vdown | 22:18 |
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| RST38h | qwerty: Found anything in the code? =) | 22:18 |
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| qwerty12_N800 | RST38h: No, sorry, it slipped my mind, I'll take a look tomorrow :) | 22:19 |
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| Knowledge_ | is there no repo for downloads.maemo.org? | 22:27 |
| wazd_n800 | Knowledge_, its extras | 22:27 |
| Knowledge_ | hmm....ok thanks wazd. | 22:27 |
| Knowledge_ | I'm just not able to find xterm advanced, oh well... | 22:27 |
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| RST38h | Palm Pre 1.0.4 Update Kills Homebrew, Patches Security Holes | 22:33 |
| RST38h | Hohoho! Another war is on =) | 22:33 |
| * RST38h wonders when these suits finally understand that they are choking their own cash cow | 22:34 | |
| Mousey | ble | 22:34 |
| Mousey | as a pre owner,i agree | 22:34 |
| Mousey | moar apps plz | 22:34 |
| Mousey | well, it kinda makes sense why they closed this hole | 22:34 |
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| Mousey | you can still get apps on the pre | 22:35 |
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| Mousey | but it's more secure now (read, more difficult) | 22:35 |
| Mousey | and unlike apple, they didn't remove or erase, (or discourage really) the homebrew apps already on the phones | 22:36 |
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| Mousey | i lost my n810 on an alaskan cruise.. =( | 22:39 |
| * Mousey cries and vows to lurk until he gets another one | 22:40 | |
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| RST38h | What is "more secure" when applied to a cell phone? | 22:44 |
| ShadowJK | RST38h, oh it autoinstalled native apps if you put them in an email and sent it to the phone | 22:44 |
| ShadowJK | or something like that | 22:44 |
| RST38h | They are not securing you against some crooks, they are securing THEIR PHONE against YOU. | 22:44 |
| RST38h | Shadow: Really? That sound almost like the infamous G1 bug =) | 22:45 |
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| RST38h | Shadow: BTW, looks like Google has finally broken and allowed native apps on Android | 22:51 |
| ShadowJK | That's not what they're doing | 22:51 |
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| Jaffa | Native libraries and/or code, AIUI | 22:52 |
| fiferboy | lbt: 4.5.2 with finger scrolling is really slow | 22:52 |
| Jaffa | Although JNI can go both ways, so even if the APIs aren't properly "supported" people'll be able to use them | 22:53 |
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| ShadowJK | I understood it as writing parts of your program in C/C++, but not being able to call native libraries from it | 22:53 |
| ShadowJK | basically just compute | 22:53 |
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| ShadowJK | Ah, you get libc, libm, JNI, libz and liblog :-) | 22:58 |
| ShadowJK | "Your application will be more complicated, have reduced compatibility, have no access to framework APIs, and be harder to debug. That said, some applications that have self-contained, CPU-intensive operations that don't allocate much memory may still benefit from increased performance and the ability to reuse existing code. Some examples are signal processing, intensive physics simulations, and some kinds of data processing." | 22:58 |
| derf | libm? Luxury itself. | 22:58 |
| ShadowJK | indeed :-) | 22:58 |
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| RST38h | Shadow: That is pretty much a hole to native apps | 23:00 |
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| ShadowJK | I/O is missing :-) | 23:01 |
| RST38h | Shadow: as long as it lets you open /dev/fb* and /dev/input*, you are done | 23:01 |
| ShadowJK | "The EU Commission has welcomed the mobile industry's commitment to using a single charging standard, only 18 months after the industry agreed it and two years after the Chinese government mandated it." | 23:01 |
| RST38h | Shadow: libc is there | 23:01 |
| ShadowJK | yeah if you can get to the devices.. | 23:01 |
| RST38h | Shadow: And the single European charger plug standard is.... | 23:01 |
| RST38h | ---==* SCART! *==--- | 23:01 |
| ShadowJK | MicroUSB! | 23:01 |
| * ShadowJK throws his 10metre scart cable in RST38h's face | 23:02 | |
| ShadowJK | oh oops, didn't mean to crush your head :o | 23:02 |
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| RST38h | to finish throwing up that is | 23:03 |
| ShadowJK | "The fact that few people have heard of Micro-USB (not to be confused with Mini-USB) doesn’t seem to bother anyone, but having a standard is to be applauded even if it's one that no one is presently using." | 23:04 |
| ShadowJK | lies, my new nokia phone charges through microusb! | 23:04 |
| ShadowJK | atleast the manual said it would | 23:05 |
| ShadowJK | I haven't actually tried | 23:05 |
| ShadowJK | "t's good to see Apple finally joining the throng, but one has to wonder why it's all taking so long and if punters will be happy with the longer charging times that the use of USB demands." | 23:05 |
| RST38h | wrong. you can use a dedicated power supply that pumps more juuice over usb | 23:06 |
| ShadowJK | I guess that's why nokia kept their standard 2.5mm plug in addition to microusb charging | 23:06 |
| johnsq | they better reduce the power consume of the phones. | 23:06 |
| RST38h | see Moto RAZR for example | 23:06 |
| RST38h | johnsq: Not gonna happen, unless you are willing to put up with a 60MHz ARM9 and a little b/w LCD | 23:06 |
| ShadowJK | Yeah but there are 3 incompatible standards on how to negotiate/signal high current a vailability | 23:06 |
| RST38h | Shadow: It looks straightforward to me | 23:07 |
| RST38h | Shadow: Decrease the current until voltage starts falling, as soon as it falls to 5V-epsilon, stop | 23:07 |
| johnsq | RST38h: it looks so, but I want 10h use time :) | 23:07 |
| ShadowJK | Mind, Openmoko freerunner can't even negotiate higher current than 100mA if you run it empty ;p | 23:07 |
| ShadowJK | RST38h, that fails | 23:07 |
| RST38h | s/decrease/increase | 23:08 |
| RST38h | johnsq: talking that much is unhealthy | 23:08 |
| johnsq | RST38h: its not only talking, internet + games + ... | 23:08 |
| RST38h | Let us not remember Openmoko... :) | 23:08 |
| RST38h | johnsq: these all lead to different power usage figures | 23:09 |
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| qwerty12_N810 | pupnik: (dunno if you got it before) http://qwerty12.qole.org/Vdown/ | 23:15 |
| pupnik | ty | 23:16 |
| pupnik | exciting :) | 23:17 |
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| pupnik | ty qwerty12_N810 8nstalls fine | 23:26 |
| qwerty12_N810 | cool :) | 23:26 |
| pupnik | seems to also work with some foreign-hosted video | 23:26 |
| pupnik | sd card full constantly now | 23:27 |
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| practisevoodoo_ | MUAHAHAHAHAHAHA! It works! It's alive! Soon my maemo usb->serial controlled robots will rule the world! | 23:30 |
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| pupnik | design beer delivery uavs | 23:34 |
| practisevoodoo_ | ive done an arduino copter | 23:35 |
| practisevoodoo_ | would need very small cans though | 23:35 |
| pupnik | arduino ? | 23:35 |
| pupnik | a kit? | 23:36 |
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| practisevoodoo_ | open source microcontroller platform using an atmega ic | 23:36 |
| pupnik | cool | 23:36 |
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| pupnik | ok then, cigarrettes. order via web-app and gps coords | 23:37 |
| practisevoodoo_ | no i could do a beer delivery system, i just need funding for an massive rc helicopter | 23:37 |
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