IRC log of #maemo for Monday, 2009-06-29

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Luke-Jrlbt: <insert flames here>00:02
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MaikuI'm trying to build an external module and not having much luck. It keeps saying "MODPOST 0 modules"00:12
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MaikuI'm using scratchbox and I'm trying to build for diablo00:14
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tomaterris this a maemo only channel, or n810 also?00:25
lcukone and the same00:25
mavhcif you have a nokia device that's not a phone then welcome00:26
Vulcanisn810 is running on maemo when you first turn it on, so...00:26
tomaterrwell, just makin sure00:26
Vulcanisif you have a device that is a phone, then hiss, get out of here.00:26
tomaterrnah, my touchscreen stoped working00:26
lcukwhy - maemo/mer/liqbase would run nicely on an iphone :)00:27
tomaterrcould it be software related?00:27
Vulcanismaemo/mer wouldn't.  fscking closed software.00:27
Vulcanisdid you try a hard reset yet, toma?00:27
lcukmer is oss00:27
tomaterrhow do u do that?00:27
lcukmaemo is mostly oss00:27
tomaterrvulc how?00:28
lbttomaterr: remove battery00:28
lcukthe only problem for them with iphone is resolution00:28
VulcanisI forget how to do it on the n810, I think its something to do with the center button while putting the battery back in and turning it on00:28
mavhcclosed hardware perhaps00:29
Vulcanisthe only problem with the iphone is the iphone itself is CLOSED00:29
mavhcand there's no keyboard, and it costs loads00:29
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tomaterrwell, I've removed batt00:29
tomaterrseveral times00:29
mavhcplug it into pc, install flashing software, hold down home button, turn on00:30
lcukmavhc, ipod touch doesnt00:30
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lcukyeah its locked - thats a minor hurdle lol00:30
mavhcwhat is it about a cell phone radio that costs $200?00:31
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lcukespecially when complete cell phones can be bought for peanuts00:31
Maikudo you need to do anything special to build an external module with scrachbox/for maemo?00:33
lcukexternal module?00:33
Maikuout of tree is what I mean by external00:34
mavhccan't even be the cost of FCC etc approval if you're selling 30 million of them00:34
lcukshould be possible to build everything in it00:34
Maikuhmm, it keeps coming up with MODPOST 0 modules00:34
tomaterrthnaks for the help, I'm gonna go try to fix this00:34
Maikuthe compat-wireless-old makefile wants there to be a in the kernel header directory, and it also can't call modprobe due to a missing modules.dep00:35
lcuktomaterr, is it totally dead00:35
tomaterrwhat does a flashing ! w/ orange background mean?00:35
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lcukor does it respond erattically00:35
lcuksystem software updates usually i think00:36
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lcukahh, thats not the same00:36
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lcukhas the device sustained any trauma00:37
tomaterra little...00:37
tomaterrnot too much00:37
lcukplease lie down, and tell me all about it00:37
tomaterrlike,3 feet00:37
tomaterr3 or 4 times00:37
StskeepsMaiku: trying to get stlc45xx going? :P00:37
lcukwhen did you bust it00:37
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MaikuStskeeps: how'd you know :P00:37
lcukwas it one particular time?00:38
MaikuStskeeps: I managed to get it running with a newer kernel and its range was quite spectacular00:38
tomaterrthe issue appearad later00:38
lcukwhat kind of eraticness is it00:38
StskeepsMaiku: because i wanted to try out stlc45xx on 2.6.21 after hearing it was backported to 2.6.21 :P00:38
lcukie is it totally random and jumpy00:38
Stskeepsas in, mac8021100:38
lcukor is there a part thats fine00:38
Maikudid you have any luck?00:38
tomaterralways opens the application window00:38
tomaterrpart is ok00:38
StskeepsMaiku: no, i have a large backlog of desires and this one was not fullfilled yet00:39
MaikuI haven't managed to find much at all on it :/00:39
StskeepsMaiku: did you compile the diablo kernel first?00:39
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Maikunot for trying like this, I was just using the headers, when I had used the newer kernel, yes, but then a bunch of other stuff didn't work :P00:39
Stskeepsright, compile first - and then make sure to point to that tree00:40
Maikuk, I remember reading a page saying to use two KBUILD variables, but I sure can't find that page again yet00:40
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StskeepsMaiku: good luck with it though00:42
Maikuthanks, hopefully this will work :P00:42
Stskeepsif you end up trying to slowly migrate .21 -> .22 -> .23 -> .24, that's interesting too :P00:42
MaikuI'd really like to be able to keep the default kernel00:43
Stskeeps(why? :P)00:43
Maikubecause I know stuff works with it00:44
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Maikuand don't have to mess figuring out how to update all the closed source bits for hardware00:44
Stskeepsah, shouldn't be that bad00:45
Stskeepseither way, good luck - looks interesting00:45
Maikuthanks :)00:46
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MaikuStskeeps: well so far it's working better this way, although it now errors instead of just skipping everything :)00:58
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Stskeepsyay errors00:58
Maikuwell at least now I have something to debug :)00:58
brainy142OOO I'm good at making things break...01:01
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brainy142ah, braking turing is fun :D01:01
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brainy142I remember breaking all of my friends programs randomly hehehe he got so mad01:03
Maikulooks like it has warnings as errors :/01:04
brainy142so whats going to happen with maemo 5, will there be apps for it right away or will people have to port everything? and does it have better gfx acceleration on the smart q 5???01:05
* Luke-Jr has 2.6.30 mostly working on N81001:05
ShadowJKno maemo5 for smartq501:05
brainy142really? :(01:05
Luke-Jrbrainy142: Maemo sucks anyway, Mer can run anything Ubuntu has pretty much01:06
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brainy142isn't mer/maemo the same???01:06
GAN800brainy142, apps are already being put together.01:06
Luke-JrMer does support many Maemo apps I think though01:06
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GAN800See the Fremantle Stars01:06
brainy142excellent, hopefully the new api's wont take too long for people to implement ports.01:07
GAN800Luke-Jr, Mer wouldn't exist without Maemo and Nokia's open source efforts.01:07
Luke-JrGAN800: ok01:07
Luke-JrGAN800: we'd probably have something even better01:08
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brainy142so... If I wanted to be able to use the new release I would have to use a nokia mid thing?01:08
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GAN800OK, Luke-Jr.01:08
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Luke-Jrbrainy142: yeah, but no point01:09
Luke-Jrbrainy142: better off with Mer or some other OS01:09
GAN800brainy142, Mer is using as many of the new Maemo 5 technologies as is possible.01:09
brainy142ah ic... like your ui though01:09
GAN800But if you want Maemo-Maemo you gotta buy the device.01:09
GAN800brainy142, I'd wait until a proper announcement to decide.01:10
brainy142erm... which is faster nokia's thing or the smart q?01:10
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GAN800Nokia's device blows the SmartQ utterly out of the water.01:11
brainy142hmm.. I though it was slower01:11
GeneralAntillesCortex A8 versus ARM11 is not even a contest.01:11
GeneralAntillesWell, what's Nokia's "thing" the N810 or the next unreleased device(s)?01:12
brainy142ah dam, should have bought it on craigs when it was like 15001:12
smackpotati was wondering what the difference would be if i sold my 770 and bought a used n80001:13
GeneralAntillesN800 is way faster than the 770.01:13
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brainy142Is there a place in Canada that sells them?01:14
smackpotatya i have a 810, im using a 770 for my sterio01:14
Pavlovcortex a8 designs are nice01:15
Luke-Jrsmackpotat: get a SmartQ01:15
amrusing it for your stereo how?01:15
brainy142why the smart q?01:15
Luke-Jrbrainy142: GAN800 is talking about some unreleased Nokia device that might not even exist01:15
Luke-JrSmartQ is easily superior to N80001:15
smackpotatwhats a smartq01:15
brainy142doesnt it have that 3d core01:15
Stskeepsand Luke-Jr's a troll01:15
Luke-Jrsmackpotat: an open source handheld like N80001:16
Luke-JrStskeeps: shoo, FUD01:16
smackpotatis it a phone01:16
Luke-Jrsmackpotat: no01:16
Luke-Jrsmackpotat: it's liek the N800, but it's faster and open source01:16
qwerty12_N810Luke-Jr: I find it hard to believe that Nokia would put so much work into software for "some unreleased Nokia device that might not even exist".01:16
Luke-Jrand has accelerated 3D01:16
brainy142(sigh) I'l a get the specs01:16
Pavlovif you want a cortex a8 phone buy the pre or an iphone01:16
Luke-Jrqwerty12_N810: you've seen confirmation of it?01:16
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smackpotatwhats the resolution01:16
amrsmackpotat, how do you use your 770 with your stereo?01:16
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Luke-Jrsmackpotat: AFAIK, the same for both01:17
ShadowJKLuke-Jr, are there actual drivers for the 3D?01:17
qwerty12_N810Luke-Jr: nope. But common sense tells me that Nokia aren't gonna be fucking around for fun01:17
Luke-JrShadowJK: not yet AFAIK01:18
Luke-JrShadowJK: but we have specs01:18
ShadowJKWhen the media is saying "Maemo is attracting alot of attention away from Symbian internally at Nokia", you know maemo is probably not an extremely minor thing anymore :-)01:18
smackpotati got a 16 gb usb drive,i output to my amp, i control it from my 810, vnc. it would be nice to  have the fm01:19
ShadowJKLuke-Jr, right so currently they're both without 3D accel01:19
Luke-Jrsmackpotat: ah, I don't use FM, so maybe N800 is better for you then01:19
Luke-Jrno idea if the FM is free or closed01:19
Stskeeps.. what fm01:19
ShadowJKAnd on the N8x0 3D accel might come if Nokia manages to bribe TI. And on the SmartQ it might come if some sad person finds 2 years of spare time and motivation to write drivers :-)01:19
Luke-JrShadowJK: but anyoen can write a SQ5 driver01:19
Luke-JrStskeeps: N800 has FM, no?01:19
Stskeepsah yes01:20
Stskeepsi miss that feature01:20
brainy142so 677mhz arm = fail?01:20
brainy142(arm 11)01:20
Luke-JrStskeeps: how does it work, BTW?01:21
brainy142rofl "some sad person"01:21
Luke-Jrbrainy142: N915 has a much better processor01:22
ShadowJKbrainy142, he'll be sad once he reads the opengl specs01:22
Luke-Jrbut it doesn't exist yet01:22
Pavlovwhat is the n915?01:22
brainy142ooo sounds expensive :(01:22
Luke-Jrthe next Nokia handheld that officially doesn't exist yet01:23
ShadowJKIf the next nokia device has a cortex A8 running at 400Mhz, it'd still be faster than 677Mhz arm11. It'd probably run at 600 :-)01:23
Luke-JrStskeeps: did your arrive yet?01:23
Luke-JrShadowJK: huh? you're saying the OMAP 400 MHz is faster than the Samsung 600 MHz?01:23
brainy142Is it the arcitechture?01:24
PavlovLuke-Jr: which samsung?01:24
Pavlovsamsung has cortex a8 chips..01:24
brainy1421 sec01:24
ShadowJKLuke-Jr, omap3 vs the samsung in SmartQ5/7, yes01:24
StskeepsLuke-Jr is trolling as usual on the n91501:24
Pavlov(like the one in the iphone)01:24
* Stskeeps yawns and goes to sleep01:24
Luke-JrShadowJK: OMAP3 isn't in any released products yet01:25
Luke-JrPavlov: IIRC, iPhone SoC is the same as SmartQ01:25
brainy142N1HP5MQD sammy01:25
ShadowJKLuke-Jr, the new iphone has a newer much more powerful CPU01:25
ShadowJKiphone 3gs01:25
PavlovSamsung S5PC100 Cortex A801:25
brainy142nah I say they put in a better bat and upped the core to 60001:25
brainy142as the ipods have a 600mhz cpu under-nuked to 40001:26
GeneralAntillesPavlov, Tegra boo, hiss. :P01:26
PavlovGeneralAntilles: its fast ;/01:26
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GeneralAntillesPavlov, bullshit.01:26
ShadowJKIf you want bogomips numbers, cortex A8 at X MHz is same as Arm11 at X*2 MHz ;p01:26
Pavlovnot as fast cpu-wise ovbiously01:26
GeneralAntillesIt's got a fast GPU and a marginal CPU.01:26
Pavlovbut graphics makes a big difference01:26
smackpotati think displays are important the n800 has a nice one01:26
Pavlov(if used)01:26
GeneralAntillesThey're not a lot faster than the SGX.01:26
GeneralAntillesand the OMAP3 has a CPU that can actually push things around01:27
Pavlovits a good bit faster, and no one knows how to do anything on the sgx01:27
GeneralAntillesLike 720p with NEON. :P01:27
PavlovGeneralAntilles: you'll own the battery doing that01:27
brainy142are you going to get this working on the pandora???01:27
brainy142it's got z cortex thing at 600mhz01:27
GeneralAntillesMeh, 720p isn't exactly a battery-friendly operation either way01:27
brainy142rofl agreed01:28
GeneralAntillesBesides, most of what I do on a tablet doesn't benefit from fast GPUs.01:28
GeneralAntillesI want a Cortex, not some ARM11 BS>01:28
ShadowJKWell when pandora and the next nokia device begin existing, I'm sure Mer will be ported to both01:28
brainy142you get *drum roll* 2 hrs of battery life (720p)01:28
GeneralAntillesAlso: Tegra doesn't currently support Linux01:28
Pavlovwe're able to use the GPU for a lot01:28
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GeneralAntillesOMAP3 also has the big, beefy DSP.01:28
Pavlovno one wants to write dsp code01:29
andre__GeneralAntilles, pong (but probably a bit late) :-P01:29
GAN800andre__, hum.01:29
Pavlovdon't get me wrong, i'm a big omap3 fan01:29
Stskeepsand how do you plan on doing that in fremantle when clutter hogs the gpu? :P01:29
GAN800What the hell did I want?01:29
smackpotatdsp code is complex01:29
brainy142Is luke still here?01:29
Pavlovbut the sgx is crap comparitivly01:29
andre__GAN800, don't know. install that timemachine thingy i told ya! ;-)01:29
PavlovStskeeps: sigh:)01:30
ShadowJKThe DSP is like symbian, only people who write code for it are either mentally insane or locked up in a corporate basement being whipped into doing it01:30
GAN800Pavlov, TI's codecs are much more open for OMAP3 than 201:30
brainy142O I remeber one of the people working on an emulator for the pandora just used the dsp01:30
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GeneralAntillesandre__, ah!01:30
lcuki want to see the best of new code on my maemo device making as much use of available hardware as possible.  :)01:30
PavlovGAN800: I'm deeply aware of the capibilities/shortcomings of both01:30
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GeneralAntillesPavlov, fair enough, but I still say Tegra's a joke. :P01:31
Pavlovwe'll see ;)01:31
Pavlovi do wish it had neon support01:31
GeneralAntillesandre__, how much are the 3.4 templates likely to change before release?01:31
brainy142I thought tegra was good???01:31
GeneralAntillesbrainy142, ARM11 CPU.01:32
Pavlovbrainy142: it is01:32
GeneralAntillesThe only thing "good" about it is the big GPU.01:32
lcukisnt it many arm11s tho?01:32
GeneralAntillesWhich is entirely offset by the 3-year-old CPU.01:32
andre__GeneralAntilles, as far as I've seen the bugzilla release process so far there won't be big changes01:32
brainy142well at LEAST were NOT working with mepis here rofl :D01:32
GeneralAntillesandre__, OK, then I'm going to start working on the 3.4 templates for Newstyle.01:32
andre__oh cool01:32
andre__sounds like i owe you more than one beer at the summit :)01:33
* GeneralAntilles still needs to whip Mercurial into shape.01:33
GeneralAntillesandre__, meh, don't really drink. ;)01:33
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brainy142hmm... but arm 8 cortex cant play warcraft 3... That would be the... best... day... ever01:34
Pavlovwhen is maemo summit ? october?01:34
brainy142I bet the cortex is faster than the computer I'm using :(01:34
ShadowJKbrainy142, that seems unlikely :)01:35
brainy142amd 2000+ no video card enough said...01:35
brainy142and crappy via drivers with no 3d support01:35
Pavlov.8-1ghz cortex a8s are pretty fast01:36
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GeneralAntilles1.4-1.8GHz ARM11 equivalent.01:36
brainy142hmm.... wonder if the cc1600 mids will be any good01:36
brainy142hey GeneralAntilles how fast would the cortex have to be to match 1.2 ggz arm 11?01:37
brainy142as this would make something make sense01:38
Pavlovdepends a lot on what its doing01:38
GeneralAntillesOMAP3630 is what you'd be looking for01:38
GeneralAntillesOn average01:38
Pavlovthats fair estimate01:38
GeneralAntillesOMAP3430 will reach that in certain cases.01:38
GeneralAntillesBe sweet if Nokia could just swap an OMAP3630 in at this point.01:39
brainy142I have a mips pocket pc rofl01:39
brainy142I bet that = fail now01:39
Pavlovif arm11 had neon it would be a lot better01:40
Pavlovim ready for some a9 cpus though01:40
ShadowJKBut they have to make a totally new device with different case and different components, and run it through their robotic "push this button 100,000 times" test facility and their "pick it up and drop it from 1 metre height" test facility a few dozen times until it stops breaking :P01:40
brainy142hmm.... a9 sounds fast...01:41
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brainy142any idea when this new nokia thing is coming?01:42
GeneralAntillesbrainy142, few months.01:43
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ShadowJKthere's a rumour saying October for europe01:43
GeneralAntillesA9s will be next year.01:43
GeneralAntillesIf they don't have a simultaneous US/EU release I'm going to start sacrificing Nokians at the Summit.01:43
brainy142I'l get the pitchforks..... can you get the torches?01:44
ShadowJKGeneralAntilles, ah well but the rumour said a stupid locked-in US release first :-)01:44
ShadowJKbtw, did you know that they release(d) their "Communicator" devices first in Indonesia? :P01:44
brainy142whats the mer website?01:45
ShadowJKApparently the communicators have a cult status/following there after what must be one of the few clever and successful Nokia marketing schemes ever :>01:45
infoboti guess mer is
brainy142why does it have maemo in it????01:45
GeneralAntillesBecause Mer is very closely related to Maemo01:46
GeneralAntillesDespite Luke-Jr's trolling.01:46
brainy142so I'm going to assume to ignore him....01:46
ShadowJKbrainy142, do you know who Stallman is?01:46
ShadowJKoh well01:47
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brainy142who is he?01:47
ShadowJKbrainy142, have you seen star wars?01:47
brainy142... they look *almost the same* in the screen shots???01:48
brainy142I've seen it01:48
GeneralAntillesbrainy142, Mer is a more open source version of Maemo.01:48
ShadowJKImagine Luke is Anakin Skywalker01:48
ShadowJKhe's angry and frustrated :P01:48
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brainy142so maemo = windows of the arm os's?01:49
GeneralAntillesNot at all.01:49
GeneralAntillesMaemo is about 80% open source and 20% closed.01:49
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brainy142but I know one thing wince = fail01:49
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GeneralAntillesand the money and time Nokia has put into mobile open source development for Maemo is massive.01:49
brainy142nokia likes open source01:50
brainy142my computer wont run any closed source os any more01:50
ShadowJKThere are some closed source components, and some people (notably luke) are very angry about it01:50
brainy142it just spitts out blue screens.... during installation (I got a bluescreen trying to install xp)01:51
brainy142ah so thats why luke hates maemo01:51
ShadowJKon the N810 the 3D acceleration is unusable because there are no drivers and no specs, and the GPS chip is undocumented and has no opensource drivers. The battery management and other components that Nokia brought over from their cellphones also has no open source drivers.01:51
GeneralAntillesbrainy142, he's hardline open source.01:52
brainy142sounds annoying to program for01:52
ShadowJKI hope he continues his quest to get a current kernel working :)01:52
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brainy142he must DISPISE windows rofl01:53
brainy142..... I got a funny idea01:53
brainy142want to hear it shadow?01:54
brainy142we say we made a new version of his mer thing but, we make it install win ce01:54
brainy142then he will be in agony01:54
ShadowJKhe's working on getting gentoo installed anyway, I think..01:55
brainy142lol the logo looks like pacman...01:55
brainy142well I guess I'l have to wait for that "sweet spot" mid01:56
ShadowJKThe reason people like SmartQ5/7 is that the spec for the SoC were leaked, so they're available, and the chinese company that makes them are very friendly and actually give answers when the Mer team asks them questions. The SmartQ devices are wonderful for hackers/coders in that sense :P01:57
ShadowJKplus they're affordable01:57
ShadowJKSo if you're a hardline opensource person, you'd boycot Nokia and shovel money at the chinese devices for being open. ;)01:58
brainy142I'm not hardline :D01:58
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mavhcand are these smartq's as fast as the n810?01:59
brainy142great... now I'm stuck between a pillow and another slightly less confy pillow01:59
mavhcdon't suffocate01:59
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brainy142I wonder if he would agree with there other decision smar q made...02:00
brainy142wince option lol02:00
ShadowJKmavhc, I haven't seen benchmarks, but I think they are faster.02:02
mavhconly review I saw said it was slow, but that could have been their software02:02
brainy142what about telechips???02:02
brainy142wait.... hehehe you should tell luke his computer bios isn't open source *gasp*02:03
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mavhcthere are open bios projects02:06
Macerwow. there were so many people stuck on death camp trains02:07
brainy142death camp?02:07
Macerim watching part 5 to auschwitz02:07
Macerthe nazis and the final solution02:07
brainy142lol "solution"02:08
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Macerever see conspiracy?02:08
Macerit is about the meeting that determined what to do about the jewish problem. nazis were totally nuts02:08
Maceri mean. they were mad. seriously nuts02:09
brainy142didn't they cage them02:09
Macertowards the end of the war they went on a killing frenzy02:09
brainy142I'm pretty sure my history teacher showed us something about cages02:09
Macerthey started killing 75% of arrivals02:10
brainy142that sucks02:10
brainy142wait there isn't even a word for that02:11
brainy142now if you want a mind screw anme watch Higurashi n _Naku_Koro ni02:11
Macerwhat is the english name?02:12
ShadowJKwhen cicadas cry02:12
ShadowJKor something like that02:12
brainy142you wont understand hardly ANYTHING for like 30 episodes02:13
brainy142then now there is ANOTHER SEASON02:13
Macerlike neon genesis?02:13
Macerit started normal02:13
Macerand then went way off02:13
brainy142I need to see that neon show02:14
brainy142after I watch trigun02:14
brainy142man trigun is funny02:14
ShadowJKnah, higurashi is like halfway to neon genesis level of "huh?"02:14
Macerit isnt that good02:14
Macernor is trigun02:14
MacerShadowJK: haha02:14
brainy142oh come on trigun = funny02:14
Maceryeah. ng lost me02:14
brainy142and shadow did you watch all of the higurash episodes02:14
Maceri mean it went all starving artist by episode 502:14
ShadowJKI haven't watched second season yet02:14
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brainy1422nd season was the better onw]02:15
brainy142hint: It contines right after02:15
ShadowJKAnother mind-tickling anime: Serial Experiments Lain02:15
brainy142then finally it ends on ep 22 of the kai series02:15
MacerShadowJK: that was awesome tho02:16
Maceri liked lain02:16
brainy142then we actually get something you would never expect from the anime02:16
brainy142a freaking "fan-service"02:16
ShadowJKIt's not an unusual pattern. After slaving away for 44 episodes, surely the artists deserve to do whatever the hell they want :-)02:17
brainy142I'm amped for the ri episode 4 man I wonder what rika is going to do02:17
brainy142O man I cant say (spoilers) but it is a HUGE choice02:17
brainy142unless you want me too02:18
ShadowJKno, please shut up :-)02:18
brainy142your going to watch it?02:18
ShadowJKYeah eventually. My backlog is only a few TB.02:18
brainy142worst part is that I have to wait an entire month for the next episode02:19
brainy142dam subbers....02:19
brainy142o well I guess they have a life too02:19
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ShadowJKUsually second and third seasons is a sign that the series isn't worth watching, you know02:20
brainy142ps the higuashi takes a few episodes for the total mind screw to occour02:20
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MacerShadowJK: watched noein?02:20
Macerthat was pretty good02:20
ShadowJKI plan to02:21
brainy142well I guess I'l have to watch neon02:21
Macerit is great02:21
Maceri liked it a lot02:21
Macerpretty twisted02:21
brainy142It better pull me in or I will be dissapointed02:21
ShadowJKspeaking of watching, I have N800 and a 8gig SD card waiting :P02:21
brainy142ah but n800 cant play mkv02:21
Macerbrainy142: you will like it until ep402:21
ShadowJKbrainy142, I convert02:21
brainy142why would I start hating it02:22
brainy142mkv= annoying to convert02:22
brainy142well.... if you need the subs02:22
ShadowJKYeah, mkv is particulary challenging to get through the mencoder bug-minefield02:22
brainy142I got one converter thats been working great recently02:23
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brainy142and it's free :)02:23
ShadowJKI forget how I did it. I suspect I converted video losslessly to huffyuv-in-avi with ffmpeg and then re-encoded it with mencoder and remuxed with original audio and subs from the original mkv into a new mkv. Maybe. I don't remember exactly :-)02:24
brainy142wow my way = easyer02:24
ShadowJKwhat's your way?02:24
brainy142*oddly it doesn't convert to vob02:24
brainy142t spits out mpegs02:24
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brainy142I remeber trying to flash a router..... I faileed02:26
brainy142well I might be back later I'm going to watch a movie02:29
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MaikuStskeeps: hurray! it compiled, I just had to do what you said then grab rfkill.h from 2.6.22... no idea if it will work or not02:31
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tomaterri think my issue is hardware-based02:32
amr-im actually at a loss of what to play with on my tablet02:34
amr-email is sorted, as is irc, msn etc02:34
amr-you can play kirby on your tablet?02:34
man_in_shackget vgb, download the original kirby game for gameboy :)02:34
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amr-the only games i have are quake and maemodrac02:34
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man_in_shackonly issue with it from what i can see is that the on-screen controls don't support multiple fingers at a time02:35
amr-hell i might just install pokemon too! :P02:35
amr-can i use the n810 hardware kb?02:35
amr-does sega/nes emulation work?02:35
amr-work well02:35
man_in_shacknes emulation seems fine with ines02:35
MaikuStskeeps: oh, and make a small change in  wme.c02:36
man_in_shackmg (sega systems) does not seem to work02:36
amr-i quite fancy some original sonic02:36
amr-or mario02:36
man_in_shackand yes, you can use the hardware kb, but i haven't had success pressing two perpendicular directions at once02:36
amr-im almost sure i had sonic working at some point02:36
man_in_shackamr-, if it wasn't for the fact that gens-gs has i386 asm at the heart, i'd be trying to port it to maemo :)02:36
man_in_shacklet's see ...02:39
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man_in_shackif you want a completely insane game that you can't beat for anything, tuxpuck is good02:40
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tomaterrhas any1 used nokia rma?02:41
amr-ah i did get sonic advance working perfectly fine!02:41
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tomaterrdoes nokia even have rma?02:43
man_in_shacktomaterr, they'd have to02:43
man_in_shackif the hardware is faulty, and covered by warranty02:44
amr-can i return my 770? :P02:44
amr-my old and ancient 77002:44
man_in_shackif it's faulty and under warranty, sure. you could get a new one in exchange ;)02:45
amr-thatd actually be fantastic02:45
amr-its deffo under a year old02:45
amr-i assume thats how long the warranty is02:45
tomaterrI fond it02:45
tomaterrbut, should I rma through nokia, or where I bought it?02:46
man_in_shackif you take it back where you bought it, they might be able to put the rma in for you02:46
amr-depends what country you live in too02:47
man_in_shackyou might even be able to walk away with a new one, depending on their store policy02:47
tomaterrbought online02:47
amr-i know in the uk youd return it to the retailer02:47
tomaterrbut, does nokia do the 'check for drop damage" thing?02:48
amr-say what now02:49
tomaterrlike do they say02:49
amr-i seriously cannot recommend sonic advance & vgba highly02:49
tomaterrthis is because you dropped the device02:49
amr-absolutely fantastic02:49
amr-oh, dunno02:49
tomaterrno device for you02:49
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man_in_shackamr-, vgba doesn't work well?02:51
amr-it does02:52
amr-it works fantastically02:52
amr-i meant i cant recommend it high enough02:52
amr-time to find more vgba games that work as well02:52
tomaterrI wish my n810 was working....02:53
man_in_shacktomaterr, what did you do to it? :P02:53
amr-whats wrong with it?02:53
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amr-and original mario is cool03:04
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tomaterrthe touchscreen doesn't work03:06
tomaterrIn part03:07
man_in_shackooh ooh, i have the perfect test for Tear on maemo!03:07
tomaterrwhat would that be?03:08
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Maikuare there any good guides for getting a newer kernel on an n810?03:12
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Maikuincluding any necessary patches/module fixes etc?03:12
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man_in_shackuniversity's "employee self-service" system only works in MSIE and selected khtml/webkit browsers03:15
man_in_shackdamn, i still want to turn off this crappy nokia "greeting"03:15
tomaterrare touchscreen breaks common ?03:16
amr-man_in_shack, which greeting03:17
Firebirdtomaterr, my N810's screen has been replaced 3 times03:17
qwerty12_N810man_in_shack: /usr/share/sounds/ui-wake_up_tune.wav03:17
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man_in_shackty qwerty12_N81003:18
man_in_shackok, Tear has already got further than midori03:18
man_in_shackthat's a good sign03:18
man_in_shackf***ing fantastically awesome03:18
* man_in_shack hugs Tear03:18
man_in_shackwho's the guy who recommended Tear to me last night?03:19
man_in_shackStskeeps maybe?03:19
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tomaterrcan you repair the screen urself?03:21
Firebirdif you mean by hitting it or opening it.. don't think so03:22
qwerty12_N810tomaterr: - knock yourself out...03:22
Firebirdit was the flexprint in mine which attaches the screen to the main board which broke.. 3 times03:22
man_in_shackqwerty12_N810, yay, no sound is much better03:23
man_in_shackqwerty12_N810, now if i could only get it to not delay while showing the "hands" greeting ... :)03:23
qwerty12_N810It's still loading stuff at that point - desktop is a little slow in loading :)03:25
man_in_shackyeah, i've noticed that03:25
man_in_shackwell, i've now removed midori03:27
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man_in_shackshould probably also remove nethack :P03:27
Mikhothat reduces your chances of ascending drastically...03:28
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man_in_shackMikho, not really03:32
man_in_shacki suck at it03:32
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man_in_shackis there a way to change the preferred pdf reader from bundled "PDF reader" to evince? :)03:33
qwerty12_N810Maybe by using pipeline's DBus-Switchboard03:34
* lcuk once wrote a pdf parser03:35
lcukin visual basic :|03:35
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man_in_shackqwerty12_N810, where do i get that? :)03:46
man_in_shacklooks like fun03:47
man_in_shacki should try to find a better theme for my n810 :P03:51
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man_in_shackhuh, apparently evince is already linked to .pdf files03:54
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man_in_shacktear is still launching "PDF Reader" and not evince though03:59
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man_in_shackah, it's attached to .pdfs but not the pdf mimetype04:00
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NCommanderHey all04:07
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NCommanderIs it possible to kexec() on the N810, and secondly, is there good instructions on customizing the iniramfs on the device?04:07
man_in_shackawesome, now i have Tear launching evince :D04:08
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Luke-JrShadowJK: Gentoo's working fine, alogn with 2.6.3004:21
Luke-JrShadowJK: GPS requires extra hacks to work under 2.6.30, which I have chosen not to release at this time, so Nokia has some incentive to cooperate.04:22
Luke-JrNCommander: kexec has had issues, but I *think* it's possible now04:23
Luke-JrNCommander: I have a kexec-capable bootmenu on Launchpad04:23
NCommanderLuke-Jr, handy; also, gentoo is available for the N8x0?04:25
Luke-JrNCommander: that's what I'm using04:26
NCommander(as in the raw OS, and not just a chroot jail?)04:26
NCommanderLuke-Jr, link :-)?04:26
NCommander(or if you have a guide for Ubuntu ...)04:26
NCommanderLuke-Jr, I've been wanted to do some development work on kexecboot; but I don't have an ARM device that can support it (I have a couple of dev boards, but they all hang when I kexec())04:27
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brainy142hey shadow still here eh?04:35
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Luke-Jrbrainy142: think of how you would feel if you bought a N810 for GPS use, and found out it doesn't work and Nokia has no plans to fix it. that's me. :þ04:37
brainy142oh hey again Luke04:38
Luke-Jroh, and Nokia refuses to let you fix it... so far anyway04:38
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brainy142I hear you love open source :D04:38
zerojayYour gps doesn't work?04:38
Luke-Jrzerojay: N810 GPS software has known bugs that prevent it from working correctly outside of an unmaintained Maemo release04:39
brainy142my computer wont run closed source os's anymore lol04:39
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brainy142hey Luke are you one of the programers for mer?04:39
Luke-Jrbrainy142: yes, though primarily Gentoo04:39
brainy142hmm... how's that port going?04:39
Luke-Jrmy Mer work is mainly just what we have in common04:39
Luke-Jrit works...04:40
Luke-JrKDE is too bloated to run smoothly04:40
brainy142are you going to have 3s acelleration on the smart q?04:40
brainy142and yes I do agree about the KDE04:40
Luke-Jrsomeone is04:41
Luke-JrI don't even have a SmartQ yet04:41
brainy142ah, I'l have to wait for the "nation" tester04:41
brainy142hopefully he gets it soon04:41
brainy142wonder what os will win...04:41
brainy142wince, ubuntu, or mer04:42
Luke-Jrno doubt Mer will beat Gentoo :þ04:42
brainy142he's going to do a compaitison04:42
Luke-Jrmost people don't want to wait days for upgrades04:42
brainy142then why are you porting gentoo?04:42
Luke-JrI'm comfortable in Gentoo.04:43
brainy142ah ic04:43
brainy142I can like make a picture in turing rofl04:43
brainy142ya I know... school board04:43
brainy142I bet you cant wait to see Win CE on the smart Q :D.04:44
brainy142and all the proprietary software.04:44
* Luke-Jr beats brainy142 to a pulp.04:45
brainy142I'l probably wait to see what mid's come out this year, the cc1600 one sounds promising... In theroy04:45
brainy142The razonator was talkig about it04:46
brainy142there's not much info04:46
man_in_shack"wince" could not be named any better than it is04:46
brainy142lol thats what my friend said04:46
brainy142my mom just bought one.... she could have got an android lol04:47
man_in_shackexcept possibly "flinch"04:47
Luke-Jrbrainy142: pfft, Android ftl04:47
Luke-JrSmartQ ftw04:47
brainy142what about the pandora?04:47
brainy142It's dsp is like 400mhz04:48
Luke-JrI hear they're planning to ship an illegal proprietary fork of Linux with it04:48
brainy142hmm... I'l check on that04:48
Luke-Jrdon't bother, by the time it ships again it'll be obsolete anyway04:49
brainy142by what... the pandora owns the smart Q?04:49
brainy142... although I hear the gfx is good in the smart Q04:49
Luke-Jruh, no?04:49
Luke-JrPandora is 400 MHz you just said :þ04:50
Luke-JrSmartQ is 600 MHz04:50
brainy142pandora is 600mhz arm cortex04:50
Luke-Jrso it's the same04:50
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brainy142smart Q is 677mhz arm 1104:50
Luke-JrIIRC, N915 is GHz something04:50
brainy142that means.... 720p mkv playback04:51
Luke-JrI don't think the screen is that big04:51
man_in_shacki wonder how well n810 would play videos04:51
brainy142O come on man, the cc1600 can handle 1080p04:52
man_in_shackof course, it would depend a lot on the codec :P04:52
brainy142and my computer locked by stupid via drivers (no 3d) can play 720 mkv no problem and its only an amd 2000+ single core04:52
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man_in_shackbrainy142, i think your computer might have a larger screen than the n915 will04:53
brainy142not to mention the rk2808... man that one is nice04:53
man_in_shackremember, 720p refers to number of pixels high04:53
brainy142screen size doesn't matter as much as screen resoution04:53
brainy142we finally got some video players in 800x48004:53
man_in_shack480 != 72004:54
brainy142hmm.... wonder what the n10 runs at04:54
man_in_shackeven if you could get 720 pixels high on a hand-held, you wouldn't notice it04:54
brainy142true but what about tv out04:54
brainy142now If only people didn't use fat 32 sigh04:54
brainy142I like ext 3/404:55
man_in_shackfat32 is a good choice for cross-platform compatibility04:55
man_in_shackeven beos supports full read-write access on it04:55
brainy142but but... it's like blarg04:55
brainy1422 gb max a file04:55
man_in_shack<man_in_shack> even beos supports full read-write access on it04:55
brainy142the rk2808 can support true 1080i video out04:56
Luke-Jrman_in_shack: fat32 is patented04:56
man_in_shackLuke-Jr, i know04:56
brainy142oh I know lukes "favorite" filesystem...04:57
man_in_shackdoesn't change the fact that everyone has support for it04:57
Luke-Jrbrainy142: f u, liar -.-04:57
brainy142N....T....F...S mwahahahahahahaha04:57
* Luke-Jr glares brainy142 into the floor.04:57
brainy142super propitiatory attack!04:57
man_in_shackbrainy142, deliberately trying to annoy people does not go down well04:57
brainy142ok fine I'l stop04:58
Luke-Jrgee, that's even worse than me04:58
Luke-Jrat least i have rational reasons to be pissed at Nokia04:58
brainy142NTFS= New technology of S@#$04:59
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brainy142If we get some good hardware in the next nokia thingy It could be great.... Imagene TI(texas instriments) video acelleration :D05:00
brainy142hmm... man the Irc for mer is like dead05:01
brainy142*not maemo05:01
brainy142Luke would like my computer, It refuses to run windows05:02
brainy142I get a Bluescreen.... wait for it05:02
brainy142when it's trying to install05:02
man_in_shackthat's nothing05:02
man_in_shackmine completely hangs on install05:03
man_in_shacknot even a bluescreen05:03
brainy142I get that too05:03
brainy142but the bluescreen is kida funny05:03
man_in_shackwhat's funny is having to wipe the partition, reclaim it as part of / on debian, and installing virtualbox PUEL for usb drivers05:04
ShadowJKit's not about hating closed source software, it's about having the freedom and choice to make or use free software of your own choice05:04
brainy142windows "our OS is stable as a rock" computer " I get a hard error" (2nd try) technical bluscreen05:04
brainy142me and my friend though it was funny05:04
brainy142hmm... Mable I'l try linux on the wii someday...05:05
man_in_shackanother thing, this laptop came with a "designed for windows xp pro" sticker. guess which variant of windows i was trying to install05:05
man_in_shackAND the first time it hung it hung on the billboard that said "most stable version of windows yet"05:05
brainy142Right now I'm running Deban05:06
man_in_shackto be fair, it wasn't the oem version that came with it05:06
brainy142ah ic05:06
man_in_shackbut as the oem version that i had installed also refused to boot ...05:06
brainy142I was running ubuntu, might go back someday...05:06
brainy142wow thats a fail05:07
brainy142thats like a pocket pc not able to install windows mobile05:07
man_in_shackit's like an xbox 360 red ring of death05:07
brainy142except you get a new 360 for free :D05:07
man_in_shackeven if it's out of warranty?05:08
brainy142you get 3 yrs05:08
brainy142I gots my 360 for free :D05:08
brainy142My xbox broke and they sent me a 36005:09
brainy142horray for no repairs in Canada :D05:09
brainy142do you know what sucks...05:12
brainy142Mac computers05:12
brainy142they crash a lot05:12
brainy142Luke-Jr do you know if there are any other interesting MID's coming out?05:13
brainy142and that maemo 5 os was that a live demo that looked slick?05:14
brainy142Hey anyone if I were to buy one of the n810's would I ever have mkv playback (smooth)?05:18
brainy142well have a nice day everyone05:19
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comhackGot a quick question.... how can I run lspci on my n810? Thanks05:50
comhackor where is the binary located05:50
comhackI have root05:50
ShadowJKthere is no pci bus in tthe n810, so the output of lspci would be empty05:51
comhackahh makes sense thanks05:51
comhackI am trying to get the exact specs not the ones advertised05:51
comhacklike the bluetooth chip, etc.05:51
comhacksound chip, video chip, etc05:52
ShadowJK        HCI Ver: 2.0 (0x3) HCI Rev: 0x6cc LMP Ver: 2.0 (0x3) LMP Subver: 0x6cc05:53
ShadowJKManufacturer: Cambridge Silicon Radio (10)05:53
comhackwhere you get the info?05:53
ShadowJKhciconfig hci0 version05:53
ShadowJKneeds bluez-utils or something installed05:54
ShadowJKthe N810 is based on Texas Instruments OMAP205:54
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ShadowJKaudio runs on its dsp05:54
ShadowJKthere's an epson display controller for graphics05:55
comhackyeah I knew about the processor05:55
comhackgot that from cat /proc/cpuinfo05:55
comhackthanks thoughh05:55
ShadowJKit's a SoC, not just a cpu :)05:55
ShadowJKsystem on a chip05:55
ShadowJKthere's cpu, video and audio in it05:56
ShadowJKand a dsp05:56
comhackoh that makes sense05:56
comhackkinda cool actually05:56
comhackonly had it for a few about a month05:57
ShadowJKlshal |less05:57
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ShadowJKmight give you something05:57
comhackthats it05:58
comhackthanks alot05:58
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Luke-Jrcomhack: there are no sound/video chips, AFAIK05:58
man_in_shackwhy is there no "less" on maemo? :(05:58
Luke-Jrcomhack: it's a SoC05:58
comhackLuke-Jr: yeah I got that05:59
comhackwhere the hell did you find the | key05:59
man_in_shackthere isn't one05:59
ShadowJKbehind chr05:59
comhackahh thanks05:59
man_in_shackit's on the second page of character chart06:00
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comhackfound it06:00
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man_in_shackalso handy to know that tab is on the first page of the character chart :D06:00
Luke-JrI setup the Yen symbol to be |06:00
comhackpitiful right there in front of me06:00
Luke-Jrand Fullscreen to be tab06:00
ShadowJKluke-jr: there is actually :P the same chip also handles sim cards :)06:00
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ShadowJKnot connected to anything on n810, of course06:01
Luke-JrShadowJK: why would the N810 contain a chip that isn't connected to anything?06:01
GeneralAntillescomhack, the wikipedia pages are reasonably accurate.06:01
GeneralAntillesLuke-Jr, battery charging.06:02
comhackcool thanks GeneralAntilles06:02
GeneralAntillesCheaper to recycle parts from other Nokia platforms.06:02
ShadowJKluke-jr: it does a bunch of other stuff too. the sound, codecs and sim card stuff on the chip isn't connected to anything though06:02
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ShadowJKnokia reused phone chips instead of designing new ones06:02
Luke-Jrthe battery charging has a chip? and it does audio/codecs/SIM?06:02
Luke-Jrwtf is BME for if there's a dedicated chip06:03
comhackGeneralAntilles: those are just the general specs all pages usually show. I was looking for the exact specs audio, video, bluetooth, etc chipset but did not realize that they are built into the chip06:03
ShadowJKyeah it has a chip... might have two actually06:03
GeneralAntillesLuke-Jr, the chip doesn't contain anything but the most basic protection logic.06:03
GeneralAntillesBut something has to be told to handle the voltage scaling and such. . . .06:03
GeneralAntillesVoltage scaling can't magically be done by the OMAP206:03
Luke-Jrso why didn't they use the sound functionality? :/06:04
GeneralAntillesBecause it's hooked up to the OMAP2. . . .06:04
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ShadowJKthe specs I saw seem to suggest it turns things on at 2.something volt, which is too low for all the n810 components to run on, and too low for the battery to be safe, and too low for the battery to last through boot06:04
Luke-JrOMAP2 sound takes off CPU time06:04
GeneralAntillesYeah, it's lower level than that. . . .06:05
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ShadowJKconsidering how much people whine about the external display controller...06:05
GeneralAntillesi.e., it's basically a headphone amp, not a sound controller. . . .06:05
man_in_shackspeaking of sound, has anyone noticed latency/stuttering on apps like vgb, ines, etc?06:05
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GeneralAntillesLuke-Jr, think of it vaguely like the TWL403006:06
ShadowJKI woudlnt be surprised if they arent using it at all on their entire smartphone range where cpu is plenty06:06
GeneralAntillesBut for OMAP2 and Nokia's own proprietary stuff instead of TI's06:06
Luke-JrGeneralAntilles: I know nothing of the TWL403006:06
GeneralAntillesLuke-Jr, nevermind then.06:06
ShadowJKi think it can do gsm and amr audio codec though06:06
Luke-Jrsomeone should do Free GSM and AMR codecs06:07
ShadowJKit's in progress06:07
ShadowJKActually i think there might be some in android06:08
Luke-Jrdoubt it, tbh06:08
Luke-Jrthey're probably using the non-Free codecs like everyone else06:08
Luke-Jrignoring the legal problems06:08
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ShadowJKah well, there's atleast an unfinished LGPL version in ffmpeg's gaoc repo somewhere :)06:09
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ShadowJKI think the guy tasked to complete it got distracted writing a free aac decoder though06:10
man_in_shackis there any point in keeping nokia maps? :P06:10
ShadowJKwhich is now in ffmpeg and works quite nicely06:10
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ShadowJKgsoc repo*06:11
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xnt14[router]hello world!06:13
xnt14[router]I just installed irssi on my router :P06:13
xnt14[router]openwrt > dd-wrt06:13
GeneralAntillesman_in_shack, there's no Nokia Maps on Maemo.06:13
xnt14[router]~seen b-man1606:13
infobotb-man16 <> was last seen on IRC in channel #maemo, 23h 21m 18s ago, saying: 'i think that it requires enabling some functions in the kernel'.06:13
xnt14[router]where the hell is he :P06:13
xnt14[router]ok g2g, ill get my xps back up06:14
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ShadowJKn810 comes with wayfinder06:14
ShadowJKwhich is different from "Nokia Maps", only available on S6006:15
man_in_shackGeneralAntilles, well whatever it is. the map program that came preinstalled with the n81006:15
GeneralAntillesShadowJK, "Map"06:15
GeneralAntillesWayfinder Map06:15
man_in_shacki have maemo mapper too :D06:16
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man_in_shackok, this is nuts06:40
man_in_shacki have about 6 abiword links in Extras menu now06:40
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man_in_shackthankfully they're all gone now06:43
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Luke-JrShadowJK: "Maps" doesn't work in Diablo06:52
Frank___Does anyone know what the maemo equivelant to the xscreensaver extension headers is?06:52
ShadowJKi'd probably look in osso if someone held a gun ti my head and demanded an answer06:53
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ShadowJKgo look yourslf :-)07:09
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man_in_shackanyone tried "simple launcher" hildon applet? it's not getting added when i select it in the applet list on diablo/n81007:17
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man_in_shackwow, what the hell did i just put on my home screen?07:28
man_in_shacksome sort of astrological clock/calendar thingy07:29
t_s_oremind me, are there a browser accessible within canola?07:31
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man_in_shackt_s_o, probably not. i just installed it accidentally and removed it :P07:47
t_s_oi dont think anyone uses simple launcher any more, instead favoring personal launcher, or personal menu...07:48
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man_in_shackpersonal launcher?07:52
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sarowerHello all, I am wanting to develop a plug-in in maemomm, which is a home screem applet. I think, It can be done by the use of "libhildondesktop".07:53
sarowerBut there is no help regarding this library!07:53
sarowerWhere i can get the help .. or tutorial ragarding this!07:54
sarowerAny body can say...or do any help!07:54
man_in_shackpatience is a virtue07:55
man_in_shackt_s_o, thanks, i'll check out personal launcher ... i see there's also a personal clock :D07:58
man_in_shackheh, personal clock has no downloads or webpage07:58
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man_in_shackjust the project page on garage07:59
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sarowerHello all, I am wanting to develop a plug-in in maemomm, which is a home screem applet. I think, It can be done by the use of "libhildondesktop". But there is no help regarding this library! Where i can get the help .. or tutorial ragarding this! Any body can say...or do any help! please!08:37
sarowerX-Fade or Jaffa?08:38
saroweryou helped me earlier!08:38
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sarower1 minThanks ... but if i get some example with the configuration file (like,, etc.) it would be better for me08:44
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* Stskeeps is kind of worried about his tablet addiction, - constantly thinking to take it along for music festival :P09:11
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MaikuStskeeps: I made good progress until I ran into cancel_work_sync, which would require reimplementing 20+ functions :/09:54
StskeepsMaiku: we're still on compat-2.6-wireless?09:58
Maikucompat-wireless-2.6-old, yes09:58
MaikuI'm not having much luck with updating kernels, it's acting inconsistently :/09:59
Stskeepshow come wanting to use stlc45xx btw?09:59
Maikumonitor mode mostly09:59
Maikuthe default driver likes to get confused10:00
Luke-JrI've had better luck with cx3110x monitor mode than stlc45xx actually10:01
StskeepsMaiku: meet luke-jr, local troll but he also does interesting work on 2.6.30 for n8x0s10:01
Luke-Jrf u Stskeeps -.-10:01
Luke-Jrmaybe I won't miss yo10:01
MaikuLuke-Jr: on kernel 2.6.21 as well?10:02
Luke-JrMaiku: cx3110x is 2.6.2110:02
Maikuhmm essids and bssids get corrupted for me a lot10:02
Maikuwhen I sort of got it working with 2.6.28 or so the bssids were fine10:03
Luke-JrI mgiht need to change kismet config for stlc45xx?10:03
Maikunot sure, I've been using airodump10:03
MaikuI haven't tried kismet yet10:04
Luke-Jri c10:04
Luke-Jrkismet ♡10:04
Luke-Jrit makes me pretty maps10:04
Maikumaybe the trick is just to reload the driver when it gets confused?10:05
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Luke-Jroh, yeah10:06
Luke-Jr/etc/init.d/tablet-wireless restart10:06
Luke-Jron Gentoo anyhow10:06
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StskeepsLuke-Jr: a-ha, coordinates to help me target you with laser shooting satellites! ;)10:07
Luke-JrStskeeps: -.-10:07
Stskeepsjesus, kansas has a lot of APs10:08
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Maikuhmm, well it's not /etc/init.d/tablet-wireless in maemo :P10:09
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Maikumaybe wlancond?10:10
Luke-JrI use Gentoo10:10
MaikuI figured10:10
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aquatixmorning all10:15
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Maikukismet does seem to be working better..10:38
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crashanddieMaiku, you have gentoo on your tablet?10:41
crashanddiewhy does kismet seem to be working better then?10:42
Maikuit's seeming to be working better than airodump-ng, it isn't making up new variations of essids and bssids10:42
Maikushort of one, but that's within statistical error :P10:43
JaffaMorning, all10:45
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Stskeepsmorn jaffa10:54
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hendryis there some tricks to get more space on a n810? run out of space on /dev/mtdblock4. though a vfat /dev/mmcblk0p1 has loads of space.12:04
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t_s_othere are some pdfs, images, and a video floating around that one can move/delete...12:10
t_s_obeyond that there is the option of booting from SD rather then internal12:11
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hendryt_s_o: then I would have to setup the SD card eh? /dev/mmcblk0p1 seems to be embedded in the device as i can't figure out where it comes out12:13
t_s_othats a 2GB SD card in the shape of a chip located on the connector where the N800 had a second SD slot...12:14
RST38h"All that innocent experimentation with fuel cells that run on blood has led to this, a flesh-eating clock. "12:22
adeushas anyone compiled qt 4.5.2 for the device?12:23
aquatixRST38h: hm, sounds rather useful12:24
aquatixoh wow12:25
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saroweri am developing a plug in for N810. I don't have any main() function in the .c file. I have made a .so and a corresponding .desktop file. I have put .so inside "/usr/lib" and desktop file inside "/usr/share/application/hildon-home". But when i am selecting the application from"Home->Select Applet" it is not launching the application. What may be the problem..?Any body can help?13:29
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sarowerany comments?13:33
sarowerany body?13:33
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sarowerjaffa or X-Fade?13:36
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hendryi have FREMANTLE_ARMEL going and i want to build some stuff from ~/trunk on the host. How do i get to the host's home dir?13:37
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Jaffasarower: I've never done a plugin, I'm afraid13:40
saroweroh... no man...don't be afraid!13:41
sarowerany other person here!13:41
lardmandos hildon desktop produce any output telling you what the problem is?13:41
StskeepsJaffa: my mind boggles over noone making simple eclipse project templates for this stuff..13:42
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sarowermy problem....!13:43
saroweri am developing a plug in for N810. I don't have any main() function in the .c file. I have made a .so and a corresponding .desktop file. I have put .so inside "/usr/lib" and desktop file inside "/usr/share/application/hildon-home". But when i am selecting the application from"Home->Select Applet" it is not launching the application. What may be the problem..?Any body can help?13:43
Stskeepssarower: you do not need to repeat the question over and over, this isn't a newsticker13:43
danielwilmssarower: patience!!!! have you looked into or followed the instructions in the manual?13:43
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lardmanno need to repeat yourself unless it's specifically alehorst you want to talk to13:44
saroweryes... it is ok13:44
lardmanlook at my reply, is there output?13:44
sarowerbut as RST38h was in offline... thats why i have repeated... i am sorry for that!13:45
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sarowerRST38h: can you please help me?13:51
saroweri can give you the source if you want!13:51
qwerty12_N810Hint: Repeatedly asking a person the same question multiple times generally makes them less likely for them to want to help you13:52
saroweri will not repeat again...13:53
sarowerqwerty12_N810: you are telling to me?13:54
RST38hsarower: how much are you willing to pay?13:54
sarowerdon't inderstand! please clarify!13:55
RST38hsarower: how much money are you willing to pay for helping you with development?13:55
sarowerha ha ha..oh my god.... you are kidding with me..!13:56
RST38hAm I?13:56
RST38hI mean, you absolutely INSIST that I help you, look at your code, make it run, etc13:57
sarowerno just some hints...13:57
RST38hI am currently at my work place, debugging stuff, being paid for that13:57
RST38hIf you want me to debug your stuff instead, I can, but only when paid.13:57
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RST38hAm I being sufficiently clear?13:57
sarowerand if you need to see the code.. then i can give it.. for example13:58
sarowerdon't kidding.. i am poor man..!13:58
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RST38hThen learn to debug your code on your own.13:58
RazumihinRST38h: Are you sure that your emplyer likes the sidejobs ;)13:58
RST38hRazumihin: As long as they are done during off hours, there is no problem13:58
Razumihinand my coding flow dropped to irc :(13:59
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sarowerRST38h: i know.. the facts.. but if any body can help, then it would be better and quicker.. for me .. right?14:00
RST38hsarower: You are shooting questions since what? 10:00am local time?14:01
RST38hThat has been 5 hours ago, sarower =)14:01
sarowerRST38h: yah but... i was stopped for 3/4 hours...14:01
saroweri am not continuing to shoot question always!14:02 are rude... in this era14:02
* RST38h is rude and mean14:03
RST38hWelcome to the real world :)14:03
sarowerRST38h: are!14:04
sarowerbut no quarrell.. as i think i have no fault..!14:05
saroweri am honest and fair...14:05
RazumihinAnd noisy.14:06
javispedroevery window toolbar height seems to be hardcoded in openttd ...14:09
javispedroso either I write a hell of a patch14:09
javispedroor leave them as they are14:09
RST38hjavispedro: A #define? =)14:09
javispedronumber 13 everywhere14:09
* RST38h votes for the patch really14:09
javispedroyou'll like kinetic scrolling :D14:09
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javispedroat least it works fine in scratchbox, still not tried on device14:10
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javispedrohmm I need to read the C spec14:11
javispedrowould #define 13 20 work ? lol14:11
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RST38hjavis: no waaay?????!?14:12
RST38hname should start with a letter14:12
javispedrobut preprocessor tokens? never read about that14:13
RST38hsame rule afaik, but try =)14:13
javispedroeither way it won't work, there's some vehicle using 13 for something else14:13
RST38ha coworker just tried it and got an error message from the preprocessor14:14
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javispedroindeed "macro names must be identifiers"14:14
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man_in_pdaok, this Titan theme is nice14:18
javispedro#openttd referred me to the "hell of a patch" option14:19
javispedroso that'll be for now14:20
RST38h(sorry, caps was a mistake)14:20
javispedro261 KiB gzipped patch file :(14:20
man_in_pdaCAPS ARE never A MISTAKE14:21
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inzRST, dint yuo raed what you writ befoer you sned it+14:24
RST38hinz ntrly14:26
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qwerty12_N810Whee, one can't beat the exhilarating feeling one gets when ones fucking hildon-application-manager refuses to start14:28
man_in_pdahandwriting on this thing is slow14:28
amrsonic advance <314:28
aquatixqwerty12_N810: finally something to fix again?14:29
RST38hto everybody who needs something to fix, there is Modest.14:29
RST38hespecially considering that its maintainers ain't gonna fix it most likely14:30
man_in_pdaamr, do you have any sound issues with it (or other emulators)?14:30
qwerty12_N810aquatix: meh, it shoves configuration files all over the place :\14:30
javispedroindeed. what's with  "non-deleting the messages I tell modest to delete" issue?14:30
amri do with urm14:30
amrit misses some notes14:30
amrand the same with ines14:30
amrsound is pretty spot on in vgba though14:30
man_in_pdahm ok14:31
amrwell, it is with this rom14:31
amri haven't tried any other games for gba14:31
aquatixqwerty12_N810: fun14:31
man_in_pdai'm going to have to find something to play on vgba then :P14:31
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amrsonic advance! :D14:31
amrim trying to get konami krazy racers on there14:32
qwerty12_N810I aint reflashing for shit though14:32
amri remember loving that14:32
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amri wonder what the keys are for the shoulder buttons14:32
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man_in_pdai've got a few games where the characters only appeared again in SSB:Brawl14:33
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man_in_pdakid iccarus, ice climbers ...14:33
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man_in_pdawish i could get earthbound but i don't see a snes emulator for maemo14:33
RST38hthere is NES version of Earthbound afaik14:34
hendrydoes anyone know where I've gone wrong here?
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man_in_pdaRST38h, ah yes, i was looking for the wrong name14:36
man_in_pda"mother" was original14:36
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amrman_in_pda, do you know what the shoulder buttons are bound to in vgba for the n810?14:39
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man_in_pdaamr, my guess is -/+ on the top14:39
amrhmms, sonic doesnt use it so i cant check, tut!14:40
amrill give that a go14:40
man_in_pdanot sure about anything on the keyboard  though14:40
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RST38hhendry: looks like you do not have the correct gcc version14:43
pvanhoofjeremiah, ping14:43
pvanhoofjeremiah, message from Quim:14:44
pvanhoof"google-album-art-downloader at extras-devel is showing up in the14:44
pvanhoofApplication Manager. Being a library it shouldn't be visible to end14:44
pvanhoofusers. Please fix this when you have the chance. Thanks!"14:44
pvanhoofjeremiah, let me know what category I should pick instead14:44
RST38hhendry: AFAIK, Maemo supports two GCCs, 2005 an 2007. I would checkwhich one you have got and configure SDK properly14:44
amrkonami krazy racing music is BAD14:44
hendryRST38h: fakeroot dpkg-buildpackage fixed it btw14:44
amrvery stuttery14:44
* RST38h shouldn't have enabled audio in VGBA14:44
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amri think it might be o and p14:46
amras shoulder buttons14:46
amrshift is urm, a14:46
amrctrl is b14:46
amrreturn is start,o and p are soulder14:46
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hendrydoes fremantle not have debconf?14:57
_berto_pvanhoof: what's the current category ?14:58
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andre___berto_, "Multimedia" it is currently15:04
javispedrois the "extras uploads automatically go to frontpage" thing enabled??15:05
RST38hamr: QWERTYUIOP are should buttons15:06
RST38hamr: ZXCVBNM are FIRE-B15:06
qwerty12_N810javispedro: No, but it automatically updates if you promote a newer version15:06
javispedrowell it did15:07
_berto_andre__: I mean, in the debian package15:07
_berto_the Section: field15:07
_berto_at least in diablo, only sections that begin with "user/" appear in the app manager15:08
javispedronow I'm noticing the person who uploaded the last openttd package to extras was not the same who created the openttd entry15:08
lopzhi ;)15:08
javispedroso I forgot to email the person who created the openttd download entry15:09
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amrthanks RST38h15:13
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amrpardon, tab?15:14
amri didnt even realise we had a tab15:14
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hendryi have the FREMANTLE sdk setup. can i run fennec somehow?15:16
hendryhow do i start X etc.15:16
* xnt14[server] wonders how the hell you guys stayed up so long15:17
xnt14[server]I think fennec is diablo only for now15:17
* xnt14[server] boots up his main computer15:17
xnt14[server]try transplanting the deb15:18
RST38hamr: then SELECT is on some other button =)15:18
* RST38h does not remember which one though15:18
hendry[sbox-FREMANTLE_ARMEL: ~] > start15:18
hendrybash: command not found15:18
hendryxnt14[server]: or webkit, i don't care15:18
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hendryok, i think i did the minimal install. that's why.15:20
xnt14[server]btw if you still want the urls15:21
hendrycan I get my n810 running Fremantle?15:21
xnt14[server]not at the moment15:21
xnt14[server]well not at all until mer gets stable15:21
xnt14[server]mer = fremantle port to the n8x0 series15:22
xnt14[server]well mer is stable, just missing some things15:22
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man_in_pdahmm, what is fennec?15:23
xnt14man_in_pda, fennec = firefox mobile (currently availible for the nits and  winmo phones)15:25
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javispedrook, expect a kinetic scrolling-capable openttd build in extras-devel soon15:28
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javispedroI promoted the other one as I'll consider that stable15:28
javispedro(of course the kinetic scrolling itself will suck, i still need to read a bit more about it)15:29
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timeless_mbpxnt14: b2 for nits and a2 for winmo :)15:33
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xnt14yeah that too :)15:33
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timeless_mbpspeaking of which, i wonder what i get on osx :)15:34
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timeless_mbpfor people running more traditional systems :)15:37
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man_in_pdaok, so now i have this thing looking and feeling the way i want, complete with awesome web browser15:43
man_in_pdaall that's missing is my wifi support15:43
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pvanhoof_berto_, Section: user/multimedia15:48
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pvanhoofCan somebody give me advise on how to put a post-install script into a debian package?16:09
pvanhoofI have it in ordinary bash atm, I want to execute this post-install16:10
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qwerty12_N810Save the script as debian/postinst16:11
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hendrywhat is the browser executable in Fremantle?16:32
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pvanhoofqwerty12_N810, thanks16:36
pvanhoofqwerty12_N810, that's all I need to do? I don't need to mention it in rules or something?16:36
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qwerty12_N810pvanhoof: nope, dh_installdeb handles it for you16:37
pvanhoofqwerty12_N810, you know whether dbus-send is available on the PR image (typically)?16:37
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qwerty12_N810pvanhoof: no, sorry, don't know the first thing about Fremantle :)16:38
pvanhoofok, thanks for the info about postinst16:38
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Jaffapvanhoof: dbus-send's been available in every Maemo version so far on the device (IIRC)16:43
pvanhoofJaffa, thanks16:44
pvanhoofJaffa, the script I just added (to the google-images album art downloader) requests albumart postinst the albumart downloader16:44
pvanhoofWhich means that for all albums that didn't yet have albumart, a request is made16:45
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pvanhoof_berto_, I still wonder about the user/multimedia category and the comment from Quim, any advise on what Section: line I should use instead?16:46
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RST38hbtw why not user/media ?16:50
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Firebirdhmm.. is there a maemo port of allegro?16:54
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X-FadeRST38h: Because that is not an official section.16:58
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RST38hX-Fade: Too bad17:00
RST38hX-Fade: "multimedia" is too long, longer than most other categories17:00
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X-FadeRST38h: It is only a 'functional english' name. Not the pretty one you see in the AM.17:01
X-FadeRST38h: And we also have development, navigation and education being about the same length.17:02
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RST38hFinally, somebody thought about it:
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GAN800~package-categories is
infobotGAN800: okay17:08
GAN800Need more time. . . .17:11
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_Mayito_hi all17:20
_Mayito_someone can help me to flash my nokia n810 ? please  :-D ...17:21
murraycStskeeps: Is there no mailing list for mer?17:21
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RST38hthere is itt17:21
_berto_pvanhoof: if you don't want your package to appear in the app manager, just remove the 'user/' prefix17:21
RST38hmoo wazd17:21
wazdRST38h: heya17:21
wazdhello all17:21
_Mayito_hi wazd17:22
pvanhoof_berto_, ok17:22
_berto_pvanhoof: if it's a library, I guess the section should be 'libs'17:22
murraycStskeeps: The "Discussion" page linked from here doesn't exist:
infobotwell, flashing is
murraycAh, I see that's just a generic per-page wiki link. (I don't think it's wise to make that as prominient as the site-wide links.)17:24
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Stskeepsmurrayc:    -- refers to  ,, high volume microblogging, digest mode recommended17:24
Stskeepsbut also normal posts17:24
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murraycThe mailing list is a feed or twitter/jaiku messages? Have you lost your senses?17:25
_Mayito_VDVsx: thank you, when I said I want to flash my tablet, I meant I want to flash my tablet to the internal memory instead the default\17:26
murraycAnyway, I wanted to ask about hardware for me. I want to get some beagleboards. But I guess that maemo on mer (or anywhere) is useless without a touchscreen.17:26
murraycSo what touchscreens are people using with maemo on beagleboards?17:27
_Mayito_VDVsx: I decided to flash the OS to the internal memory card, I think there is plenty space to hold the OS and all the software I need, so I just followed the little tutorial up to the partitioning part ... I did even already partitioned my internal flash card17:27
Stskeepsno, short mail messages, either manually or throuugh irc. we used jaiku in the past but it sucked. the mailing list stuff works quite well - mer17:28
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Stskeepsmer works with mouse too17:28
murraycStskeeps: Is there any chance of their ever being an actual mailing list so people can actually discuss mer?17:28
_Mayito_VDVsx: the little tutorial asks you to format those two new partitions, which I did it, my question is, which partition should I have mounted before the flashing ?17:28
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Stskeepsmurrayc: sure, most people use mer-chatter to be always up to date so most are subscribed there or through rss17:30
murraycStskeeps: Is that a "Yes, we can add a mailing list"?17:31
Stskeepsmurrayc: but yes, i'll look at mailing list when i'm back from holiday17:31
Stskeepsbut mer-chatter is usable for discussion too17:32
murraycWho would ever open any email that I sent to it. It would be lost in all that crap.17:32
murraycAnd if people are using digest then their's no way to have a threaded conversation.17:33
murraycReally, this is rather obvious.17:33
Stskeepssorry for typos, on way to holiday in train. and you're right17:33
X-FadeI guess you can also use talk?17:33
murraycMaybe. It should at least be mentioned on the website.17:33
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Stskeepsyeah, thats where our primary discussions are. will do when i'm back in a week --- lbt: can you refer to Talk/alternatives in mer wiki?17:35
lbtdone already ;)17:36
* RST38h does not open any email from developers mailing list17:36
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Stskeepsnot sure thats where that belongs.. :P17:36
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GAN800murrayc, that's how the wiki is arranged. Deal.17:37
RST38hI guess different people have different communication habits17:37
murraycGAN800: I'm filing a bug about the misleading styling of those links in the wiki. That's how I deal.17:37
lbtmurrayc: I'm used to email based dev too... but I use filters to arrange my email and Mer-chatter works very well for me.17:38
lbtI'd be happy to have Mer as well though17:39
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lbtEven so... Mer is significantly irc based at the moment17:39
b-man16my tablet is dead :(((((((((((((17:39
lbtCPR ?17:39
b-man16i'm on my acer atm17:40
Stskeepsdid you overwrite nolo?17:40
GAN800Just a ray of bright sunshine today.17:40
xnt14what happened17:40
xnt14bl courrupted?17:40
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b-man16when i unpluged it from my charger it never turned on17:41
xnt14is it abnormaly warm?17:41
xnt14take out the battery now17:41
b-man16i allrety did17:41
X-FadePower button broke?17:42
X-FadeCharger broke?17:42
xnt14then it would have turned on when bman plugged it in17:42
b-man16i think it has something related to the base firmware17:42
xnt14how good are you with smd soldering?17:42
* xnt14 has an idea17:42
b-man16but i can't reflash it since it won"t turn on17:43
X-Fadeb-man16: You should check with another charger.17:43
X-FadeAnd make sure the connector inside your tablet isn't missing that little pin :)17:43
b-man16i don't have another charger :(17:43
xnt14make one?17:43
xnt14im serious :P17:44
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X-Fadeb-man16: Then us a meter to check if the charger still provides a voltage?17:44
xnt14I had a thin client with no powersupply, I took my old router charger and used that17:44
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xnt14then try to check the battery17:44
xnt14but be carful17:44
b-man16i'm shure it"s not the charger17:45
xnt14the battery could blow up17:45
* xnt14 wished that ohio wasn't far from here :P17:45
b-man16i'm thinking of sending it to nokia to get it fixed17:45
X-Fadexnt14: Heh, measuring it isn't rocket science ;)17:45
Stskeepsmurrayc: mer-discuss@ sent for approval, thanks for pointing it out17:45
xnt14X-Fade, :)17:45
xnt14well isn't the n800 discontinued?17:46
b-man16and i i can"t, i"ll buy an N81017:46
xnt14RST38h, im glad i held out on the 3gs :P17:47
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* b-man16 is used to a touchscreen kb17:47
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RST38hxn14: Who knows, maybe N9xx will explode after you watch a few hours of video non-stop =)17:47
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* xnt14 can't live without his sw kb :P17:47
xnt14RST38h, yeah that too :P17:47
* b-man16 can't live without his tablet XD17:48
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* xnt14 can't live without his computer(s) xD17:48
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xnt14well, I sorta can live without my ipod :P17:48
b-man16i'm forced to use vista ftw :(17:49
xnt14nah liveusb17:49
xnt14persistent storage17:49
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xnt14I though your dad used ubuntu?17:49
b-man16ubuntu won't detect a wireless dongle17:49
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b-man16nope :(17:50
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xnt14what card is it?17:50
b-man16it's a usb wifi dongle17:51
xnt14are you in vista atm?17:51
qwerty12_N800Is the GPS statusbar applet regulated by libgpsmgr or libgpsbt?17:51
b-man16yup x(17:51
b-man16and untill i can get my tablet replaced/repaired, i might not be on verry often :(((((((((((((17:52
xnt14do you have any other devices which can run linux?17:53
xnt14old laptop17:53
b-man16nope x(17:54
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Stskeepsbloodyy emo kids17:54
* xnt14 would give b-man his n810 until he got his n800 fixed if he could go to ohio in 15mins :(17:54
b-man16:) :(17:55
xnt14:( :)17:55
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* b-man16 screams into a pillow17:55
xnt14what did you last to on it?17:56
* xnt14 can feel b-man's pain....17:56
b-man16i was finishing up some software in hlfs, and then i turned it off17:56
xnt14how did that kill it?17:57
b-man16i have no idea :(17:57
* xnt14 is surrounded by computers, yet he can't give one to b-man because of distance :(17:58
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b-man16ok, g2g, i'll see if i can get back on later sometime today17:58
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VDVsxjeremiah, ping18:03
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lbtqwerty12_N800: hi18:10
qwerty12_N800hey lbt18:10
lbtadvanced-power is one of yours isn't it?18:10
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qwerty12_N800The package? Yes, in that case18:11
lbtI think it belongs in :UI in Mer, not HW:N8x0 .... make sense?18:11
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lbtit should run on SmartQ.... ?18:11
lbtalso advanced-power-monitor18:12
lbtwhereas hald-addon-bme is HW:N8x018:12
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qwerty12_N800I guess so, indeed. The choice of where it should go wasn't made by me. Dunno about SmartQ other then toggles' work.18:13
lbtsure... it should run anywhere though :)18:13
lbtcool ... done18:13
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andrei1089is there any value that I can check to see if the battery of an N810 is in good condition?18:19
timeless_mbp_i presume burning it would be a bad idea?18:22
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lardmannot really other than logging the voltage every 5min and seeing how it decays18:22
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javispedroi was thinking.. is there a portable (diablo, fremantle, mer compatible at least) way of getting window size (720x420 on diablo) ?18:28
javispedrofrom bare SDL/X1118:28
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pupniksdl cannot change res18:31
pupnikyou can with X18:32
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pupniksee mplayer, liqbase18:32
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andrei1089ok, thanks lardman18:32
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javispedroi don't really want to switch res18:36
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javispedroi just want to know how big the task navigator and status bar are18:37
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javispedrothough I guess I could just lie and let matchbox resize the window18:37
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pupnikopen a screenshop in gimp, javispedro18:42
javispedrobut in a portable way18:42
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thopiekarhi all19:21
thopiekaris there something I need to know when programing with qt4 and python2.5 in devices?19:22
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thopiekarI'm working beside tabletDJ on my own project of a syncing program which uses pyqt4 for its gui and it works fine on win and lin but it fails to load the qt4 module on my divice..19:24
thopiekarpython2.5-qt4-dev is installed...19:24
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thopiekarok got it now working by installing python2.5-qt-dev-tools19:34
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thopiekarbut why is the preformence to slow?!19:34
thopiekarthere is not much code behind my little app19:34
thopiekarand why the hell is everything reformated?19:36
thopiekarbuttons are too little..19:36
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KnowledgeGuys, I just flashed my 770 with 08HE, and I can't seem to get any xterm.20:13
Knowledgethere's only a very very few commands20:14
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Knowledgeam I missing something? a package maybe?20:14
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practisevoodoo_anyone got pyserial working on maemo? i got the bugger installed but im cant communicate over it, and yes i have put the device into host mode20:15
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thopiekaras I know the pyserial module should work fine because it's operating system independent20:18
thopiekarso there should be no difference between a linux-pc and your tablet20:19
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thopiekarbut as you can see practisevoodoo_ here in the channel its very quite atm.. I have never worked with that module so it seems that you have to wait a time or start a thread on talk.maemo.org20:20
practisevoodoo_same code that works on my linux machine doesnt work on the nokia20:20
practisevoodoo_dont worry ill hang around and try again later20:21
thopiekarhmm very strange for sure!20:21
thopiekarbut as you can see the biggest part of problem have you to solve..
thopiekarfor example in my case..20:22
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amrdoes anyone here know of any irc clients in development for maemo?20:30
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amrim getting sick of xchat20:30
RST38hpractise: Let me guess... Reading from non-aligned addresses?20:30
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GAN800amr, what's wrong with XChat?20:34
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amrit's not a maemo native app20:34
amrits clunky20:34
amri mean a 'written-for' application20:35
amrclunky as in, too much clutter20:35
GAN800it's got tabs, an input field and a text box20:35
amrjoin more than say 5 channels and the bar overflows off the screen20:35
amrgo use the options then20:35
amrfar more than is needed20:35
GAN800It's too simple to be 'clunky'.20:35
amruser experiences are subjective20:35
amrnot objective20:35
GAN800Meh, I use the options maybe once.20:35
GAN800OK then, whatever.20:36
lcuk2heh, whats gonna happen when clutter is a part of the ui itself20:36
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amrguess what im using right now :P20:39
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fiferboylbt: Hey20:44
timeless_mbpStskeeps: did you have a newer version of xterm for me to try?20:47
RST38hlcuk: clutter^220:48
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RST38hactually Xchat is just fine after a bit of tinkering20:48
RST38hcan't say the same about gnumeric though20:48
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KnowledgeSee, if I type in wget, it says it's not found...21:01
RST38hHeh, anyone willing to guess the most expensive city in the world?21:02
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Knowledgeanyone know what's up with that?21:03
RST38hKnowledge: wget is not found on your machine. you have to install it.21:03
Knowledgeright, but I never had to do that before...I always installed xterm and it was there.21:04
derfCopenhagen is #5? What on earth for?21:04
RST38hderf: #1 is more amusing though21:04
* RST38h kinda expected it from Copenhagen21:04
derfYeah, but I haven't been to that one.21:04
derfI've been to Copenhagen, and I would never have guessed it'd've made the list.21:05
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KnowledgeI don't even know where angola is21:05
Knowledgeor luanda21:05
Knowledgefor that matter21:05
RST38hGood for you21:05
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RST38hWhat kind of knowledge are you anyway?21:05
Knowledgenot so much of it....21:05
RST38hderf: what was the exchange rate when you visited? =)21:05
derf6 kroner/$?21:07
derfSomewhere around there, anyway.21:07
RST38hderf: things changed since then/21:07
derf"6 Danish kroner = 1.132758 U.S. dollars"21:07
derfI mean, it was like 2 years ago.21:07
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toggles_wso what's #1?21:08
RST38htoggles: Fucking Luanda, Angola21:08
RST38h$50+ for a lunch21:08
toggles_wno way21:08
Knowledgeeither I've been that out of touch with the tablet scene...or all the packages are gone.21:08
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RST38hderf: two years are sufficient. Ruble fell from 23/$ to 31/$ in a couple of months and see what it has done to the ranking? :)21:09
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derfRST38h: I mean, that conversion rate I posted was from Google today.21:10
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derfI mean, I have no real idea what they're using to measure "expensive".21:14
derfIf it takes taxes into account, for example, that could skew things quite a bit.21:14
derfAll those bicycles...21:14
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RST38hderf: they actually say what they use21:18
RST38hderf: movie ticket, lunch, washing machine, a kilo of rice, etc21:18
derfYeah, but then I'd have to look for the original article, rather than the first Google result.21:18
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RST38hlazy =)21:19
derfBecause this is something worth investing time and effort into?21:19
RST38hknowledge always is21:19
derfThere's an infinite amount of it. One has to pick and choose.21:20
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RST38hderf: here, enjoy:  :)21:21
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johnsqslonopotamus: have you made your own patches for evtouch?21:33
slonopotamuserr... no, why?21:33
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johnsqslonopotamus: it didn't compiled with 1.6 xorg21:33
slonopotamusi have 1.5.3-r621:34
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johnsqslonopotamus: here are the quick & dirty patches
slonopotamusdo they make it build with both 1.5 and 1.6?21:35
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johnsqslonopotamus: I haven't tested. some should work for both because they are api querys ==2 -> >=221:36
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johnsqslonopotamus: this no good patchset, only to get it working for testing. i wonder why they haven't added RB emulation to evdev.21:38
johnsqRB= right button21:38
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wazd_n800hello again21:41
wazd_n800can anybody give me an advice bout laptop?)21:41
wazd_n800I need something like 13", light and good for office work21:42
soapsounds like any 13" light laptop will do.21:43
soap"office work" = covered since Pentium III.21:43
wazd_n800oh, and something not plastic21:43
johnsqor n810 :)21:43
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wazd_n800and with price tag not exceding 2k greenbacks)21:44
soapok, not plastic = mac, leveno, panasonic, and that's about it.21:44
soapok, mac, leveno.21:44
soapyou're making this easy.21:44
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wazd_n800mac is heavy21:44
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RST38hwazd: A MacBook? :)21:45
soapok, you've made your decision.  A 13" leveno.  Done.21:45
wazd_n800RST38h, it's 2kg, too heavy21:45
RST38hwazd: You want a 13"laptop made of metal21:45
RST38hwazd: Do you expect it to be light?21:45
wazd_n800RST38h, it's for my sister so weight is critical(21:46
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RST38hwazd: Netbook won't do?21:46
soapwhy metal?21:46
johnsqwazd_n800: new samsung nxx looks good with atom/ion.21:46
wazd_n800RST38h, they're too small for her, we were concidering hp 2140 first21:47
wazd_n800RST38h, we were thinking bout leather asuses21:47
RST38hwazd: 2140 has 10" display21:47
RST38hwazd: Can't say much about asuses, execpt that asus hw is shitty21:48
wazd_n800RST38h, yep, thats a deal breaker21:48
RST38hwazd: you may want to consider toshiba r-series (I have got one) or Lenovo X-series (eek)21:48
soapwhy is owning two $300 laptops over a period of 4 years a dealbreaker but owning one $1000 over the course of 4 years isn't?21:49
RST38hsoap: Price is not an issue. Weight and screen size are.21:49
wazd_n800soap, 10" screen is a breaker21:49
RST38hwazd: I am pretty sure you won't find anything light with 13" screen, but 12+" is doable21:50
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wazd_n800soap, she likes my 2133 very much but it's really too small for her work21:50
wazd_n800rst38h, 12" is fine21:50
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RST38hwazd: I am googling for some site that would let you limit laptop search by weight and screen size21:51
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RST38hwazd: Limit your search to Ultraportables, Core 2 Duo CPU21:53
wazd_n800RST38h, oh, thanks alot21:54
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VDVsxRST38h, derf , what is the reference for the most expensive city index, that you guys are following ? o_021:56
RST38hwazd: Lenovo X301 looks like a decent choice (13", 3.3lbs)21:56
RST38hwazd: Although I absolutely hate Lenovo21:56
VDVsxRST38h, thanks21:58
wazd_n800RST38h, well, thinkpads are really not thhe ladies choice)21:59
wazd_n800RST38h, is your tosh metal?21:59
VDVsxthis is very hard to believe, Angola is a rising nation, but still people are very poor out there22:00
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lbtfiferboy: hi22:06
fiferboyHow'd the build go?22:06
lbtlocally it built -- seems slow though22:06
fiferboyI'm getting ready to try the 4.5.2 packages - with the fingerscroll library22:07
wazd_n800what do you guys think bout dell adamo?22:07
wazd_n800fiferboy, lbt, heya btw22:07
fiferboyHey wazd22:07
lbt^^ git is 4.5.2+fingerscroll :)22:07
lbthi wazd_n80022:07
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RST38hwazd: No, my poor R500 is rather cheesy silvery plastic22:15
RST38hwazd: Also the screen isn't very good (lots of backlight leakage)22:16
RST38hwazd: Aside from these two things, it is pretty cool22:16
wazd_n800rst38h, she wants an eyecatcher to look fine on important negotiations22:17
RST38hwazd: it is pretty eyecatching, like most Porteges22:17
Knowledge_One last stupid question...what's the repo for downloads.maemo.org22:17
wazd_n800rst38h, 2133 is really good for this but it's a bit too small22:17
RST38hwazd: Yea, HP's netbooks are cool22:18
RST38hbut too small to serve as a desktop replacement22:18
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RST38hqwerty: Found anything in the code? =)22:18
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qwerty12_N800RST38h: No, sorry, it slipped my mind, I'll take a look tomorrow :)22:19
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Knowledge_is there no repo for
wazd_n800Knowledge_, its extras22:27
Knowledge_hmm....ok thanks wazd.22:27
Knowledge_I'm just not able to find xterm advanced, oh well...22:27
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RST38hPalm Pre 1.0.4 Update Kills Homebrew, Patches Security Holes22:33
RST38hHohoho! Another war is on =)22:33
* RST38h wonders when these suits finally understand that they are choking their own cash cow22:34
Mouseyas a pre owner,i agree22:34
Mouseymoar apps plz22:34
Mouseywell, it kinda makes sense why they closed this hole22:34
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Mouseyyou can still get apps on the pre22:35
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Mouseybut it's more secure now (read, more difficult)22:35
Mouseyand unlike apple, they didn't remove or erase, (or discourage really) the homebrew apps already on the phones22:36
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Mouseyi lost my n810 on an alaskan cruise.. =(22:39
* Mousey cries and vows to lurk until he gets another one22:40
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RST38hWhat is "more secure" when applied to a cell phone?22:44
ShadowJKRST38h, oh it autoinstalled native apps if you put them in an email and sent it to the phone22:44
ShadowJKor something like that22:44
RST38hThey are not securing you against some crooks, they are securing THEIR PHONE against YOU.22:44
RST38hShadow: Really? That sound almost like the infamous G1 bug =)22:45
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RST38hShadow: BTW, looks like Google has finally broken and allowed native apps on Android22:51
ShadowJKThat's not what they're doing22:51
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JaffaNative libraries and/or code, AIUI22:52
fiferboylbt: 4.5.2 with finger scrolling is really slow22:52
JaffaAlthough JNI can go both ways, so even if the APIs aren't properly "supported" people'll be able to use them22:53
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ShadowJKI understood it as writing parts of your program in C/C++, but not being able to call native libraries from it22:53
ShadowJKbasically just compute22:53
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ShadowJKAh, you get libc, libm, JNI, libz and liblog :-)22:58
ShadowJK"Your application will be more complicated, have reduced compatibility, have no access to framework APIs, and be harder to debug. That said, some applications that have self-contained, CPU-intensive operations that don't allocate much memory may still benefit from increased performance and the ability to reuse existing code. Some examples are signal processing, intensive physics simulations, and some kinds of data processing."22:58
derflibm? Luxury itself.22:58
ShadowJKindeed :-)22:58
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RST38hShadow: That is pretty much a hole to native apps23:00
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ShadowJKI/O is missing :-)23:01
RST38hShadow: as long as it lets you open /dev/fb* and /dev/input*, you are done23:01
ShadowJK"The EU Commission has welcomed the mobile industry's commitment to using a single charging standard, only 18 months after the industry agreed it and two years after the Chinese government mandated it."23:01
RST38hShadow: libc is there23:01
ShadowJKyeah if you can get to the devices..23:01
RST38hShadow: And the single European charger plug standard is....23:01
RST38h---==* SCART! *==---23:01
* ShadowJK throws his 10metre scart cable in RST38h's face23:02
ShadowJKoh oops, didn't mean to crush your head :o23:02
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RST38hto finish throwing up that is23:03
ShadowJK"The fact that few people have heard of Micro-USB (not to be confused with Mini-USB) doesn’t seem to bother anyone, but having a standard is to be applauded even if it's one that no one is presently using."23:04
ShadowJKlies, my new nokia phone charges through microusb!23:04
ShadowJKatleast the manual said it would23:05
ShadowJKI haven't actually tried23:05
ShadowJK"t's good to see Apple finally joining the throng, but one has to wonder why it's all taking so long and if punters will be happy with the longer charging times that the use of USB demands."23:05
RST38hwrong. you can use a dedicated power supply that pumps more juuice over usb23:06
ShadowJKI guess that's why nokia kept their standard 2.5mm plug in addition to microusb charging23:06
johnsqthey better reduce the power consume of the phones.23:06
RST38hsee Moto RAZR for example23:06
RST38hjohnsq: Not gonna happen, unless you are willing to put up with a 60MHz ARM9 and a little b/w LCD23:06
ShadowJKYeah but there are 3 incompatible standards on how to negotiate/signal high current a vailability23:06
RST38hShadow: It looks straightforward to me23:07
RST38hShadow: Decrease the current until voltage starts falling, as soon as it falls to 5V-epsilon, stop23:07
johnsqRST38h: it looks so, but I want 10h use time :)23:07
ShadowJKMind, Openmoko freerunner can't even negotiate higher current than 100mA if you run it empty ;p23:07
ShadowJKRST38h, that fails23:07
RST38hjohnsq: talking that much is unhealthy23:08
johnsqRST38h: its not only talking, internet + games + ...23:08
RST38hLet us not remember Openmoko... :)23:08
RST38hjohnsq: these all lead to different power usage figures23:09
* ShadowJK finds himself with more microusb cables than he uses23:09
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qwerty12_N810pupnik: (dunno if you got it before)
pupnikexciting :)23:17
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pupnikty qwerty12_N810 8nstalls fine23:26
qwerty12_N810cool :)23:26
pupnikseems to also work with some foreign-hosted video23:26
pupniksd card full constantly now23:27
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practisevoodoo_MUAHAHAHAHAHAHA! It works! It's alive! Soon my maemo usb->serial controlled robots will rule the world!23:30
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pupnikdesign beer delivery uavs23:34
practisevoodoo_ive done an arduino copter23:35
practisevoodoo_would need very small cans though23:35
pupnikarduino ?23:35
pupnika kit?23:36
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practisevoodoo_open source microcontroller platform using an atmega ic23:36
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pupnikok then, cigarrettes.  order via web-app and gps coords23:37
practisevoodoo_no i could do a beer delivery system, i just need funding for an massive rc helicopter23:37
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