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Maikuhi, I'm trying to install compat-wireless-old on my n810, but having some issues compiling it, would this be the right place to ask?01:37
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pupnikor contact package maintainer01:39
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Macerwhat did i say01:45
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Macernow you have all the michael jackson death exploiters01:45
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Macercoming out the woodwork01:45
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b-man16where did this subject come from? xD01:46
Macerall the ones that abandoned him when he was charged with baby raping01:46
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Maceri wonder how long it will take for some fake ass hollywood singer to dedicate a concert or album to him01:47
Macermaybe a day?01:47
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Maikuwhen I try compiling wireless-compat-old, it complains about missing in /lib/modules/2.6.21-omap1/build in scratchbox01:51
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man_in_shack << this didn't work03:32
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GeneralAntillesman_in_shack, case sensitive.03:33
man_in_shacki'm aware of that03:33
man_in_shackcapital F, capital R03:33
GeneralAntillesman_in_shack, well, either elaborate or I'm going elsewhere.03:34
man_in_shackwhat part of "this didn't work" don't you get?03:34
man_in_shackit's still got the bootmenu03:35
man_in_shackah, nvm, i missed a step03:35
LinuxCodeGeneralAntilles, it doesnt work03:35
Maikuif no one knows about my compiling wireless-compat, does anyone have any suggestions as to where else I could ask?03:36
LinuxCodealways a good way to get help03:36
lcukGeneralAntilles, do the midget porn archivers society need you that much?03:36
man_in_shackLinuxCode, did you read the link?03:36
lcuk(now, question for you to ponder, is it midget porn actors, or just tiny archivists)03:37
LinuxCodeno, I was too much engaged in giggling after you said, it doesnt work03:37
GeneralAntilleslcuk, pool pump needed attention.03:37
* LinuxCode has a look03:37
man_in_shackLinuxCode, then stfu and go fuck yourself03:37
GeneralAntillesman_in_shack, :rolleyes:03:37
LinuxCodeohh dear03:37
GeneralAntillesman_in_shack, OK, second strike.03:37
man_in_shackcos seriously, it's not that hard to comprehend03:37
* LinuxCode closes the web page again03:37
lcuk:S man_in_shack got out of bed wrong side of the planet03:38
LinuxCodeguess you dont want help then03:38
lcukhey, lc you wanna have a tinker with the new lb framework03:38
LinuxCodelcuk, no time mate, im at LinuxTag in Berlin03:38
LinuxCodeFUDcon tomorrow03:38
lcuki was there last year, whatcha up203:38
LinuxCodeyou were ?03:39
lcukfluffing up a pres03:39
man_in_shackGeneralAntilles, "it didn't work" is pretty self explanatory in context of the link03:39
LinuxCodeohh wow cool03:39
LinuxCodeI didnt know that03:39
lcukman_in_shack, not really03:39
man_in_shackyes if fucking is03:39
lcuksince not everyone opens links03:39
GeneralAntillesman_in_shack, hardly, but I'm not going to argue with you about it.03:39
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LinuxCodelcuk, we are running fudcon again in Berlin03:40
LinuxCodestarted today03:40
LinuxCodebeen here since Tuesday03:40
man_in_shacklcuk, those people have no intention of helping people then03:40
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lcukman_in_shack, you ever heard of talking about a problem rather than sending them to pages.  sometimes it helsp find your own mistakes03:40
lcukas it did in this case you fuckwit03:40
LinuxCodelcuk, easy now03:41
LinuxCodenot worth it03:41
man_in_shackno it didn't03:41
GeneralAntilles20 questions is no fun.03:41
LinuxCodejust ignore03:41
lcukgood point03:41
lcukive been serene this evening03:41
LinuxCodehave you now ;-D03:41
lcukmade a micro php forum03:41
lcukwhich accepts sketches as data03:42
* GeneralAntilles recalls several people want web stuff from him.03:42
lcukwell gan, i still know no more than last year, but i did manage to write a html parser03:43
lcukand the only page it could understand was my crappy hand written simple basic site :D03:43
lcukit got confused by anything more complex :D03:43
GeneralAntillesI need to beat Mercurial into submission again to get MXR into shape03:43
GeneralAntilleslcuk, yeah, I notice my design is still wasting away. :P03:44
lcuki cant modify it :'(03:44
lcukit hurts my ickle brain03:44
GeneralAntillesand my page was handwritten, too.03:44
lcukwith ninja magic03:44
lcukyou mustv written it in american or somethin ;)03:44
LinuxCodeplease dont mention html parser to me03:44
GeneralAntillesI my steal that design for another site.03:44
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* LinuxCode wasted 30 mins to get a guy a slot today to talk at BarCamp/Hackfest03:45
LinuxCodethen he stays for the initial presentation, then drops out last minute ;-|03:45
man_in_shackoh dear03:45
LinuxCodewriting a html parser that then changes it into perl or whatever other language you want03:45
man_in_shackyour life is over now!03:45
lcukheh i managed to talk for about 2 minutes, dropped my *handwritten* notes, got scared of the mic and ran away :)03:46
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LinuxCodelcuk, lol03:46
LinuxCodeat least you turned up03:46
man_in_shackok, this bastard still isn't flashing the initfs03:46
LinuxCodewe were pretty pissed, because some people didnt turn up03:46
LinuxCodeand happened to not inform any of us03:47
lcukyeah, i at least turned up and tried03:47
man_in_shackthe flasher is detecting the n810, i'm holding "swap" down while turning it on03:47
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man_in_shack << tail end of flasher output03:47
lcukim bedding anyway, ill speak soon LinuxCode, have fun03:48
man_in_shackit's not actually writing to the n81003:48
LinuxCodekk later03:48
LinuxCodeI should go too03:48
lcukgnite GeneralAntilles \o03:48
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man_in_shackany ideas?03:51
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man_in_shackGeneralAntilles, any ideas?04:10
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GeneralAntillesman_in_shack, what command did you use?04:11
man_in_shackthe one from that damn page i linked04:11
man_in_shackusing statically linked flasher 3.004:11
man_in_shack./flasher-3.0-static -F RX-44_DIABLO_5.2008.43-7_PR_COMBINED_MR0_ARM.bin --flash-only=initfs -R04:11
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GeneralAntillesIt looks like a malformed command error, but I can't really say04:13
GeneralAntillesCan you pastebin the whole log?04:13
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GeneralAntillesWhat are you flashing from?04:14
man_in_shackamd64 debian system ...04:15
GeneralAntillesDon't know04:16
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GeneralAntillesYou can always flash it with the fiasco-flasher, though.04:17
infobotextra, extra, read all about it, flasher is
GeneralAntillesfiasco-flasher -i <initfs jffs2 image> -f -R04:17
GeneralAntillesYou'll have to expand the FIASCO image and stick the initfs image on your tablet though.04:17
man_in_shackcan do04:19
* man_in_shack throws GeneralAntilles a keg of good, australian beer04:22
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man_in_shackfiasco-flasher worked fine :D04:24
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man_in_shackacknowledge my gratitude already :P04:33
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GeneralAntillesI look at the AppStore and am continually unimpressed.04:40
man_in_shackthat's what i thought04:41
man_in_shackdid you see the new porn viewer?04:41
GeneralAntillesYes, saw it in top applications tonight04:41
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man_in_shackit looks hilarious04:42
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man_in_shackseems to me like the "640k should be enough for anyone" of porn managers04:42
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n6pfkHow do you get the on-screen keyboard displayed when when the keyboard is extended on the N810?04:56
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man_in_shacki don't think you do04:56
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man_in_shacki mean, if you've got the keyboard extended, why do you want to consume screen space? :)04:56
n6pfkBecause I want to, the reason is immaterial.04:57
man_in_shackwell, i'm pretty confident it won't let you04:57
AStormwell, you can04:59
AStormI think04:59
n6pfkI have had it pop up but don't know how to do it reliably.04:59
AStormhmm, at least in powerlaunch, not sure if in standard maemo05:00
n6pfkI make fewer mistake and get fewer double keys when using it to type in a long command string in the terminal.05:01
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man_in_shackso contracting the keyboard temporarily is not an option either?05:04
n6pfkClosing my the keyboard doesn't seem to automatically bring up the virtual one.05:10
xnt14~seen b-man1605:14
infobotb-man16 <> was last seen on IRC in channel #maemo, 3h 27m 37s ago, saying: 'where did this subject come from? xD'.05:14
xnt143 hours? xD05:14
man_in_shackno ... but hitting a text area will :)05:14
n6pfkWhy not just hitting a text area with it extended.  Seems natural to me.05:15
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man_in_shackbecause most people don't want their screen space consumed by something they already have05:24
ShadowJKshift-space on the hw keyboard changes behaviour05:26
ShadowJKi think osk starts popping up then too05:26
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man_in_shacki'll check it out05:26
man_in_shackall that does for me is show/hide the bar that shows suggestions and current typing mode05:28
man_in_shackalso, it still registers as hitting space, at least in pygtkeditor05:29
ShadowJKI didn't suggest shift-space would show/hide the osk05:33
man_in_shack<ShadowJK> i think osk starts popping up then too05:38
ShadowJKit changes behaviour05:39
ShadowJKit doesn't trigger the osk05:39
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n6pfkShift space seems to do nothing.05:49
n6pfkOr at least nothing I notice.05:50
ShadowJKI just tried it in an xterm05:50
ShadowJKthe statusbar went away, I tapped in xterm, osk came up05:50
ShadowJKshift space, the osk went away05:50
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man_in_shackok, maybe it wasn't registering my taps on screens correctly. i'll try again05:56
man_in_shackah, that was quite convincing05:58
man_in_shacknow i have the large finger-friendly osk :)05:58
man_in_shackn6pfk, so yeah, shift space then tap in the text area05:58
man_in_shackas ShadowJK said05:58
man_in_shacki'm wondering if i can speed up my boot time ... e.g. disable the nokia logo with the hands and the music :P05:59
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Luke-Jrinstall a current OS?06:04
man_in_shackit has diablo06:06
Luke-JrMaemo/Diablo isn't maintained for N8x0 anymore06:06
man_in_shackis there something that IS maintained for n8x0?06:07
Luke-JrMer and Gentoo06:07
Luke-Jrmaybe Ubuntu06:07
man_in_shackmer is nowhere near polished enough for my needs06:07
man_in_shackalso, i think it boots slower :)06:08
Luke-Jras if Maemo was better?06:08
man_in_shackwell, at least maemo has proper support for the hardware keyboard :P06:08
Luke-JrMer doesn't?06:08
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man_in_shackmer doesn't seem to hide the osk06:09
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n6pfkI tried tapping and still no joy?06:11
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Luke-Jrlast i knew, mer had no osk06:12
man_in_shackif mer has no osk, it's useless for n800 users :D06:13
Luke-Jroh well :þ06:13
n6pfkI tapped with the stylus.06:14
n6pfkAnd with my finger.06:14
man_in_shackn6pfk, after hitting shift+space?06:14
man_in_shackdoes the typing mode bar disappear?06:15
man_in_shackok, i'm not sure then06:16
man_in_shackit worked for me06:16
n6pfkhere did you tap on the screen?06:16
man_in_shackin the text area06:17
n6pfkOh well, just not working for me.06:17
n6pfkThanks for the attempt.06:17
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n6pfkSettings had to be changed to enable the on screen keyboard.  It works now, Tahnks.06:20
man_in_shackso had you disabled osk completely?06:21
n6pfkWithout knowing it.06:21
* man_in_shack nods06:21
n6pfkHappy, happy now!06:22
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bexanyone here?08:09
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JaffaMorning, all09:15
RST38hmoo all09:25
RST38hHmm...Slashdotters are choosing a country to immigrate to (from UK)09:25
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Stskeepsmorning kozak09:30
kozakHi Stskeeps!09:32
kozaklong time09:33
Stskeepsindeed, how is it going?09:33
kozakmorning! hows mer09:33
Stskeepsit's okay, i think :P09:33
kozakdoing better ... but stuck with work :)09:33
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kozakworking on the DSP bridge now :) .....09:34
Stskeepsi just spent a week fighting with the SATA controller on a intel board, - board won :P09:34
Stskeeps(at work)09:34
kozakyep :)09:35
Stskeepswe had to resort to booting from USB sticks, instead of compactflash on SATA..09:35
Stskeepsworks, but i hate those kind of hacks ;)09:35
kozakhmmm yeah ... any idea on the Intel - nokia venture?09:37
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kozakintel's chips good enough for the mobile domain!09:38
Stskeepsonly thing i read being interesting is the cooperation on a wide range of open source projects09:38
Pavlovn810 would have like 15 minute battery life with an atom chip09:38
Stskeepsmaking sure that there's stable apis on key areas even between maemo and moblin can only be a good idea :P09:39
kozakyeah but moblin didnt take off.... better stick with maemo ...09:39
Stskeepsmoblin will take off for netbooks09:40
Stskeepsand hopefully maemo for smaller devices09:40
Stskeepsthere's different angles to it09:40
kozakhmmm different utility as well09:40
Pavlovmoblin just doesnt seem very nice ;/09:41
Stskeepsalso, i can't believe that moblin is in any way power saving :P09:41
kozakyeah guess what would happen with atom +moblin :)09:42
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wazd_n800heya maemo, heat came back to Moscow)10:47
aquatixmorning all10:49
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RST38hheya wazd, aquatix11:07
Stskeeps'lo wazd11:07
Stskeepsor too late:P11:07
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aquatixseems so :)11:09
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* lcuk melts11:10
lcukmornin \o11:10
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lcuk‘It took them quite a while because they ran out of breath,’ said Mr Amburn, who was driven to the Bavarian lakeside home of one of the gang. :O11:20
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RST38hWell, age does this to people. Can't say they were senile though =)11:21
lcukanything but11:21
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Stskeepswb qwerty12_N81012:18
qwerty12_N810Thank you12:18
Stskeepsso are you on summer holidays yet?12:19
* lcuk wishes he was a kid again12:20
lcukmornin qwerty12_N81012:20
lcukqwerty12_N810, this is almost your last year of holidays and lazing around aint it12:20
qwerty12_N810Yep, although I've been given homework by the college I wish to get into :O12:20
qwerty12_N810lcuk: morning12:20
qwerty12_N810I guess so :P12:20
lcukhaha poor u12:20
Stskeepsqwerty12_N810: tear is now 'succeeded' btw :)12:20
Stskeepsand claws-mail too, so including tear & claws-mail - thanks!12:21
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* lcuk stuffs a lemon in RST38h's mouth14:42
* RST38h swallows lemon without any adverse effects14:43
lcukyou need your own scp thingy14:43
RST38hLike, myself?14:43
* RST38h needs to make VMS boot.14:44
lcukheh im playing with php and libcurl :)14:44
lcuksince i dont want to polute t.m.o yet lol14:44
locutusRST38h: easy peasy14:45
RST38hlcuk: how are these two related? =)14:45
* RST38h now suspects lcuk in adding web brwser to liqbase =)14:46
lcuki did that a while back14:46
lcukim adding upload capabilities to sketches14:46
lcukits been able to auto download stuff for yonks14:46
lcukas easy as setting an image filename to a http: source, but thats not what im doing14:46
lcuki want a sketching forum14:47
lcukwhich would also dupe up as auto backup for me14:47
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lcukRST38h, strange thing, the silly little html parser that i was playing with - it managed to read simple html quite well14:49
lcukbut then blew chunks with anything normal14:49
RST38hlcuk: Myy suggestion is to stay away from html parsing and rendering14:50
RST38hlcuk: Just use ready made engine like Webkit14:50
lcukwebkit renders to an RGB image surface :)14:50
lcukimpractical to bring in14:50
lcuki investigated it a long time ago14:50
lcukliq* excels when it uses the internal cell/tile model14:51
lcukso if html can be supplied in that it would work as fast as the rest of my stuff :)14:51
lcuksimple html is something the nokia web runtime wants to achieve as well..14:51
lcukso a simple parser and a simple engine would go well together one day i bet :)14:51
lcukbut you are right, ive got many other things to do first14:52
lcukprinciple is making sure my stuff isnt lost anymore14:52
RST38hyou want to use simple html for "widgets"?14:53
RST38hor just playing around?14:54
lcukbig apps are just small lego blocks joined together in a sensible manner14:54
lcukdoes it matter how the tree of contents gets into memory..14:55
lcukthe sketchuploading is serious, i keep getting lost about which machine ive done stuff on and i need to get it together14:55
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lcukand i finally hit a tipping point14:55
lcukso im making it happen :)14:56
lcukeven though i know nothing about the web or the lamp stack or anything like that lol14:56
* lcuk has been contained in a microsoftie bubble for too long15:00
RST38hlcuk: Microsoft releases often, you are just playing around Linus style =)15:00
* RST38h looks at the code and remembers that according to some computers and Satan are similar: neither will do anything to you unless specifically asked to15:01
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Stskeepsqwerty12_N810: btw, should i look into updating our webkit?15:07
pupnikin full sunlight i can see how hildon scroll bars and text fields are flickering15:08
pupniklike 20 fps15:08
pupnikwaste of cpu15:09
lcukthats prolly just hte lcd15:09
RST38hyou are wrong15:09
RST38hit is lcd refresh, after the blizzard chip15:09
pupnikthey are flickering though15:09
RST38hyes, a bit15:09
pupnikoh youre right15:10
RST38hit's hardware thing15:10
RST38hlcd should be constantly cycled with alternate current to prevent electrolisys15:10
RST38hthat is what you are seeing most likely15:11
qwerty12_N810Stskeeps: I guess so, why not?15:11
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Stskeepsqwerty12_N810: k - just pondering if there was any massive improvements :P15:18
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qwerty12_N810Bundyo told me he always wanted to build it for Mer. Diablo's libraries are too fucking old for him to bring the latest there.15:19
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RST38hAnybody tried upgrading Diablo base packages, *unofficially*?15:21
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RST38hGiven that Nokia is not gong to support it?15:21
Stskeepsthe community updates stuff15:22
Stskeepsits simple if someone takes it up, but noone would do it without incentive15:23
qwerty12_N810Theoretically, osso-software-version-rx44-unlocked will allow one to do so but you'd have to update GLib first for many libs and it's gonna fun distributing them...15:23
qwerty12_N810s/fun/be fun/15:23
infobotqwerty12_N810 meant: Theoretically, osso-software-version-rx44-unlocked will allow one to do so but you'd have to update GLib first for many libs and it's gonna be fun distributing them...15:23
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qwerty12_N810I want to build a newer version of libcurl and give it a different soname personally but I know I'd fuck up somewhere15:26
RST38hoh, btw qwerty, I owe you fMSX-Maemo sources...15:26
qwerty12_N810Hehe, would be much appriciated :)15:27
RST38hsorry, I am constantly forgetting and running out of time =(15:28
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qwerty12_N810No, no, there's no rush or obligation or anything but I'm having a little trouble playing Metal Gear and I would like to be able to see if my theory is correct concerning the bit that is giving me trouble :)15:30
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RST38hqwerty: What is the problem with MG?15:38
qwerty12_N810F4 fails to bring up the radio screen. I suspect it's due to your method of not making fMSX's menu come up15:40
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RST38hhohoho, I know what goes on with VAX now15:51
RST38hqwerty: That is easy, tablet has no F415:51
RST38hqwerty: I do not remember, does the latest version support virtual keyboard?15:52
qwerty12_N810RST38h: the menu button is f415:52
qwerty12_N810RST38h: yes, that15:52
qwerty12_N810's what I'm using :)15:53
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qwerty12_N810"Congratulations qwerty111, Our ******Warez Team have tracked you down & have selected you to join our Warez community. We wanted to take this opportunity to see if we can get you to become part of our active and friendly Warez community here at ****** as we have noticed that you have been active in the warez scene." :\15:56
qwerty12_N810Indeed, but they got my username right...15:57
Stskeepsqwerty12_N810: warez galore16:00
RST38hOk, now I know what is failing, but how do I fix it? =(16:00
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StskeepsRST38h: mark it fixed in fremantle16:02
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GAN800andre__, do we want to change the welcome message to 'Bugzilla'? To match some of the other stuff (wiki, etc.).16:13
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RST38hSts: Do I look like timeless to you?16:19
RST38hSts: Fixed alread, somewhat of a hack but will work.16:19
StskeepsRST38h: i haven't seen a picture of you yet16:20
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andre__GAN800, why not16:27
GAN800Pride parade today16:27
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GAN800Also, andre__, I think we need a user-selectable Hello Kitty! theme. That way the haters have nothing to complain aboout.16:28
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andre__GAN800, i totally agree, but maybe we can make that a GSoC task for 201016:28
GAN800Psh, GSoC. That shit deserves to be aa 2010 Objective. :P16:29
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RST38h(stewed, not grilled, in case you wonder)16:48
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qwerty12_N810RST38h: This in response to Stskeeps' "RST38h: i haven't seen a picture of you yet"? :P16:49
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RST38hqwerty: Nah, I am not stewed yet =)16:49
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Stskeepsqwerty12_N810: gconf-editor works well too16:58
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GAN800Stskeeps, focusing in on thay day-to-day, eh? :P16:59
StskeepsGAN800: yeah, obviously17:01
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Stskeepsqwerty12_N810: damn, tear is fast on mer18:11
Stskeeps(working with it on n810 atm)18:11
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GAN800Ah, Apple quality. 1-day-old iPhonr 3G S has a busted screen.18:35
Stskeepsdon't tell me you bought an iphone18:35
qwerty12_N810That's not Apple. It's the Maemo Gods taking revenge upon you for buying an iPhone ;)18:36
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Stskeepsqwerty12_N810: scary fact: the sound you hear from AP is alsa, not pulse or esd :P18:38
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qwerty12_N810Stskeeps: Ah, sorry for saying it's ESD then. The hildon api pages have hildon_play_system_sound() as using ESD...18:39
Stskeepsyeah, it uses libcanberra now18:39
Stskeepswhich just takes whatever it wants :)18:40
qwerty12_N810Ah, never bothered looking at the Fremantle SDK18:40
qwerty12_N810Ah well, I  guess this means that multimediad has hopefully pissed off18:40
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GAN800Stskeeps, nah, my mother upgraded hers.18:45
Stskeepsqwerty12_N810: the cool thing is that it uses the sound files from half a year ago, made by zenvoid :)18:46
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* xnt14 is bored to death20:09
Stskeepslearn vala and gtk and come help us in mer? :P20:09
xnt14Stskeeps, k I'll try to learn that :P :)20:10
GAN800Get a job.20:10
b-man16he's 14 ;p20:10
Stskeepsso? :P20:11
* Stskeeps was a paperboy since 12 to be able to afford internet and computers20:11
* xnt14 thinks about being an Intern for his districts IT Dep20:11
Stskeeps(same to b-man16, go learn vala, it looks like a good starting language, close to java/c#, useful later)20:12
xnt14Stskeeps, o.0, that page loads fast in ff 3.5 :P20:12
b-man16Stskeeps: shure :)20:12
* xnt14 types a random infobot cmd before he starts learning vala + gtk :P20:13
xnt14~kill Luke-Jr20:13
* infobot shoots a magneto-ionized fluxtachyon gun at Luke-Jr20:13
Stskeepsxnt14: guide is at obviously20:13
Stskeepsevening macer20:16
MacerStskeeps: start working on integrating qtablet yet?20:16
StskeepsMacer: oh, it already works in mer, long ago20:17
Macercan replace the gnome stuff ?20:17
Stskeeps.. not too much yet20:17
Macerand use qtablet instead?20:17
Stskeepsignore the quirks, there was a qt bug20:17
Stskeepsit's infact a lot faster :P20:17
Macergoing to order an n810 then20:18
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Stskeeps is neat too :P20:19
Macerthats pretty nice20:21
Stskeepsbloody fast browser20:22
Maceri really like the qtablet tho20:23
Stskeepsyeah but someone needs to develop it20:25
Stskeepsi can see where nokia wants to go with qt really20:25
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Maceri really like the way it looks20:26
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pupnikis there a way to play the new youtube format in mplayer without dropouts?20:36
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MacerStskeeps: you think nokia wouldn't support it or somethig?20:41
Maceri don't see what the big deal would be20:41
Maceri guess because they use gtk based stuff?20:41
Maceror don't want something released that is better and draws away from their other things?20:41
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Macerbut mer looks nice in those Stskeeps20:43
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Macernever noticed there isn't an external dpad on the n81020:47
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qwerty12_N810Macer: Oh, believe me,  you'll notice =)20:48
Maceri was going to order one20:48
Macerhow good is mer bt keyboard support?20:49
Macerand printer support and what not? :)20:49
Macerit would be awesome if there was openoffice with cups support on it20:49
Maceri'm sure it wouldn't run too fast but still. :)20:49
Maceri need something i can shove in my pocket and bust out to type papers on20:50
Macerusing my su8w20:50
Maceri haven't been keeping up much with mer since i don't have my tablet anymore. i figured i would wait until n810s were around the $200 mark20:51
lcukwhenever i try typing with what i busted out of my pants with i always make typos cos it hits more than one key at a time20:51
Macerwhich they pretty muh are now20:51
qwerty12_N810lcuk: there was a rumour that the twig snapped20:51
Maceranybody ever make something that works with like gmail video?20:52
Maceri mean if the point of mer is to show that a tablet can be treated as a full fledged portable energy efficient computer20:52
Macerthen it needs office apps and video chatting support (everything that you can do with a netbook that has a built in keyboard with a web cam that works)20:53
Macerprinter support and hid support also20:53
* Macer thinks about windows domain support but that is being ambitious20:54
Macersomeone should be able to pull out an n810 and do all their office/internet stuff wtihout thinking twice20:55
qwerty12_N810Macer: I've connected my phone which can emulate a HID device and used it to send kbd buttons etc20:55
Macerqwerty12_N810: but can you just turn on your bt keyboard and pair it and type all by using the gui?20:55
Maceryou can in hildon20:56
Maceror are you forced to go to a command line and find the address... pair it with hidd.. etc?20:56
johnsqMacer: get a apple bt keyboard, nice small and works good.20:56
qwerty12_N810Macer: I was able to use the phone to reconnect easily20:56
Macerjohnsq: i have an su8w20:57
qwerty12_N810Macer: Mer has hildonized Blueman20:57
Macerqwerty12_N810: so it's integrated into mer20:57
Maceri mean to the point where an idiot can figure out how to do it? :)20:57
Maceri understand the necessity to do things right.. but someone should start thinking about what comes after you get the base work done20:58
johnsqMacer: easier and better than windows.20:58
Macerno office apps then no success :)20:58
Macerno printing from the tablet means someone will just get a netbook20:58
qwerty12_N810Macer: Dunno about integrated but it has a wizard :D20:58
qwerty12_N810johnx has had a2dp working using blueman20:59
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Macertell someone "all you need is a bluetooth keyboard and you can type all of your papers and spreadsheets in openoffice  on  it."20:59
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Macerand they will think about it20:59
Macerotherwise it is just a phone that you can't use as a phone20:59
Macer(well unless you use skype i suppose)21:00
* Stskeeps bloody hopes this Xomap fix fixes the keyboard21:00
johnsqBetter use abiword.21:00
Macerjohnsq: abiword has a different file format21:00
johnsqStskeeps: what is the problem with the keyboard?21:00
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Macerand isn't as widely used as openoffice21:00
Macernor does it have as many features21:00
Stskeepsjohnsq: it assumes input.options is a list21:00
Macerit is like telling someone who can use ms office.. "just use write"21:01
ShadowJKproblem with ooo is that it's a fucking pig :)21:01
MacerShadowJK: i ran it on my G3 :)21:01
Macerit wasn't too bad21:01
ShadowJKCPU isn't an issue21:01
Macersure a different arch .. with slightly less ram21:01
Macerbut the n810 should be able to do it21:01
ShadowJKyour G3 had a proper harddrive :-)21:01
ShadowJKnot slow-ass sd21:01
Macerlol. i suppose that is true21:02
johnsqMacer: k6 with 32mb is running openoffice without a problem, a little slow but usable21:02
MacerShadowJK: but at the very least someone should start thinking on what would make someone actually want to use mer :)21:02
Maceri mean it's great that it is trying to be the universal something or other (like java?)21:03
ShadowJKonce you start swapping more than "slightly" on a SD card, you'll end up with half-minute latencies minimum :)21:03
Macerlike an office app21:03
* pupnik haet swap21:03
Macerthat can use normal formats21:03
ShadowJKhey, I actually thought the N810 was an upgrade to my phone's non-phone capabilities, which it turned out to do great :-)21:03
johnsqStskeeps: any idea how to fix the slideout keyboard? better kernel, user space input filter or x11 driver?21:03
MacerShadowJK: my g1 can run circles around an n810 ;)21:03
MacerShadowJK: the only thing i can't do from my phone is print21:04
ShadowJKAmusingly I can21:04
Macerand i have to run hidd manually to connect my keyboard but that is supposed to be getting fixed soon21:04
ShadowJKor atleast it claims to print21:04
ShadowJKbut I don't have a printer to test with :P21:04
MacerShadowJK: my n95 only supported bt printing21:04
Macermy n800 printed with cups21:04
Macerwhich was nice21:04
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ShadowJKmy E75 claims to do LPR over wlan21:05
Macerbuy a printer and test it :)21:05
Maceri would have never gotten my g1 if the damn n95 supported tmob21:05
ShadowJKneed to setup a print server too21:05
Macerwell... tmob 3G21:05
Macerat made me disgusted21:05
Macerok. have to go for a few..sorry about ranting.. but i think that everybody is concentrating on making sure mer has a good base... but not about what happens afterwards21:06
Macerand in the end it winds up like newton :)21:06
Macera real cool idea that never had any use21:06
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ProteousNO ROUTE TO HOST!!!22:59
Proteousthat would be a cool band name23:00
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ShadowJKhm.. nokia seems to have bribed someone to do a "Im an idiot"-test on the N97. Guy first drops it in his breakfast cereal, goes "oh no!", and then goes wash it with water and soap.23:22
RazumihinWhat? :)23:24
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ShadowJKDepressingly the phone survives23:25
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pupnikneed to hack tear to bring up "find" with the "/" key :)23:44
pupnikgoogle video downloader in python:
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