IRC log of #maemo for Sunday, 2009-06-21

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lardman"morning" all :)00:08
Stskeepswhere you at then?00:08
lardmanoh, in the UK, but thought I'd stick with UGT00:08
RST38hmoorning lardman00:08
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Stskeepsthought you were on holidays00:08
RST38halthough I am going to bed00:09
lardmanyeah honeymoon, got back earlier today00:09
lardmannight night RST38h00:09
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Stskeepslardman: had a good one then?00:12
lardmanyep, was nice00:12
lcuklardman, \o congrats again :) and welcome back00:13
lardmanthanks lcuk00:13
lardmanso anything happened in the last couple of weeks?00:13
* lardman looks through the ml posts and doesn't see anything very exciting in the titles00:14
lcuktheres a couple of things on planet which might be of interest00:14
Stskeepslook at Talk/Community00:14
lcukbrainstorm went live00:14
lcukand there was something from murrayc about gtk/qt stuff thats sparked quite a bit of debate00:15
GAN800RST38h, latest WebKit.00:15
GAN800RST38h, clearly this argument is mostly emotional, though.00:16
GAN800Welcome back, lardman. :)00:16
* lardman peruses the News pages00:16
lardmanthanks GAN80000:16
lcuklardman, i am also bald00:17
lcuki went through a grey spot00:17
lcukthen it totally fell out00:17
lcukuh huh00:17
lcuki did battle with gnu on one side and debian on the other00:17
lcuki lost badly00:17
lcuklike a 25 man raid on my own00:18
lcukbut its all bad in shape now i think00:18
lcuki just ironed out the last niggle i believe00:18
* lardman has had 6 hours sleep in the last 2 days and is getting a bit confused00:18
lardmannothing new ;)00:18
lardman(the confusion that is!)00:18
lardmanso, has the n900 been released yet...? ;)00:19
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Stskeepsnot yet00:19
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lcukyou shouldv put your wedding on hold00:20
lardmanlol, and come to the hack-a-thon?00:20
lcukwe got to play with omap3 form factor prototype devkit devices in copenhagen :P00:20
lardmanah yes, I read a bit about that before I left, sounds cool00:21
lcukyeah was v cool :)00:21
lcukmet loads of great ppl00:21
lardmanmade your hair fall out...?00:21
lcuk:) that was afterwards00:22
lcuki had a minor calamity on the way home from cph actually, memory card went corrupt00:22
lardmanah, withdrawl symptoms00:22
lcukalmost lost all my sketches from the weekend00:22
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lardmanah, I seem to remember reading that00:22
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lcuknahhh simon, trying to get packages together for the library and playgroundf00:22
lardmanbut you recovered most of them didn't you?00:23
lcukyeah every one :) right up to seconds before it went corrupt00:23
lcuki even recovered the console history at the point it died00:23
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plastundoes anybody kniw, how to rotate widgtes in maemo?00:23
lcuk"mb /media/mmc1/_apg/2008* /media/mmc1/_apg/200800:23
lcukmv ^00:23
lardmanI've got a memory card reader which won't read cards larger than 2Gb, I've almost binned a whole card of holiday photos before trying it in my n80000:24
lcukplastun, rotated the widgets?00:24
lcukyou can rotate x11 but YMMV00:24
lcukthats whole system rotation00:24
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lcuki wasnt aware you could just rotate specific widgets00:24
plastunfor example, I want to design my prohram not in landscape view, i want portrait00:24
* lcuk would like to try that trick oneday00:24
lcuki dunno plastun00:25
lcukxranr will allow system global changes00:25
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plastunit applys changes for one program or for hole system.00:27
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xnt14  :P00:43
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lardmanbed time, night all00:59
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xnt14on a side-note:
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xnt14hello, qwerty :)01:13
qwerty12_N810hey xnt1401:14
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xnt14~seen b-man1602:04
infobotb-man16 <> was last seen on IRC in channel #maemo, 19h 34m 15s ago, saying: 'it gets annoying'.02:04
xnt14damnit, where the hell is b-man? I need apache :P02:04
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* xnt14 is so freaking bored, nothing to code, and noone to talk to :P02:29
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* Stskeeps is still awake but crashing soon02:30
* xnt14 is getting 18 connections to his router atm02:30
Stskeepsneed a OK from my server that the data is fine and safe02:30
xnt14lets hope that all the data is there02:30
* xnt14 installs movable type on his site replacing wordpress02:31
xnt14I tested it on my dad's site, awesome, fast, and sleek interface02:31
xnt14but it needs more themes :P02:31
Stskeepsyou're 14, btw? :P02:32
xnt14yup :P02:32
xnt14Stskeeps, where is tspre hosted?02:32
Stskeepsi'd say in a wwii bunker because that's not too far from the truth..02:32
Stskeepswell good to see i'm not the only one messed up at 14 regarding coding and so on02:33
* Stskeeps has been coding since he was 602:33
xnt14here, they block port 80 outgoing on home connections, so my 5/20 connection is sorta useless for hosting02:33
* xnt14 has been coding since he was 7 (batch/playing around with visual studio, then linux bash later), and using linux since he was 902:34
* xnt14 learned how to use the terminal on day 2 of using linux :P02:35
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xnt14mainly, because I wrote batch programs on my old dos machine and was used to the cli02:35
xnt14but I freaked out when I saw that dir didn't work :P02:36
xnt14then I learned about ls02:36
GeneralAntillesukki, nicely mischaracterized. :)02:37
* xnt14 was stuck in a windows world until he was 802:38
xnt14then I learned linux02:38
Stskeepsheh, i grew up with ms-dos and SINIX.02:38
* xnt14 notices that show a "it works" message, :P, make it redirect to trac.tspre.org02:38
GeneralAntillesMac OS since forever.02:38
GeneralAntillesThis Samsung 2343BWX is glorious.02:39
Jucatoa bit of emergency help: I've been dual booting on the N810 for quite some time now, but yesterday it decided not to boot into the internal card and I can't really figure out what I did that would have caused that. anyway, I enabled showing boot messages and it turns out it's getting a kernel panic. but before the kernel panic line, it says that /usr/sbin/chroot can't be found. I've checked everywhere and chroot is in the right place02:39
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* qwerty12_N810 's first computer ran Windows ME. I was an unlucky bastard.02:39
Stskeepsxnt14: uh..02:39
Stskeepsxnt14: that is the trac one :P02:40
Jucatoqwerty12_N810: compared to Win 3.1 being my first? :)02:40
xnt14oh nvm02:40
xnt14its back now02:40
* GeneralAntilles had these nuts in the store today:
qwerty12_N810Jucato: Surely 3.1 was more stable :P02:40
Jucatooh right... ME...02:41
GeneralAntilles"Hello, we're socially inept people who think we're more intelligent than everyone else."02:41
JucatoMessed-up Edition02:41
xnt14os cycle: Win 2000 > DOS (learned it then) > win xp > fedora core > windows xp (games) > fedora > ubuntu feisty > ubuntu intrepid > debian (server)02:41
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* Jucato can't really figure out what to do with his kernel panic issue :(02:42
qwerty12_N810Jucato: /bin/busybox exists?02:43
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qwerty12_N810night Stskeeps02:43
Jucatoqwerty12_N810: yep.02:44
Jucatoof I forgot to note that I can still boot into the original internal flash02:44
Jucatonot just the internal card (immc2)02:44
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JucatoI wouldn't mind "reflashing" that dual boot except that I've already installed and configured so much >.<02:46
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Jucato(but I've already copied my $HOME for safe-keeping...)02:46
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Luke-Jr_preferences: Gentoo > Debian > Kubuntu > Maemo > Ubuntu,Mandriva,SuSE > Fedora > Mac OS X > Win2k > WinXP > Win98 > Win3.11 > WinME > Vista > Mac OS 902:50
xnt14Success:   :)02:53
xnt14Luke-Jr_ :P02:54
Luke-Jr_no u02:54
* xnt14 runs gentoo on his fileserver :P btw, so don't kill me :P02:54
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xnt14fileserver: gentoo main server: debian workstation(xps): ubuntu(with xfce and kde nightly installed for testing), and ps3: linux/gameos02:56
Luke-Jr_Welcome to my new blog powered by Movable Type. This is the first post on my blog and was created for me automatically when I finished the installation process. But that is ok, because I will soon be creating posts of my own!02:56
Luke-Jr_DO IT02:56
* xnt14 *just* installed it lol02:56
Luke-Jr_no excuses02:56
Luke-Jr_xnt14: Movable Type also created a comment for me as well read more02:57
xnt14luke-jr_ what browser are you using atm? midori?02:57
Luke-Jr_xnt14: Konqueror02:58
xnt14oh :P k02:58
Luke-Jr_xnt14: do this02:58
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* xnt14 doesn't like the feel of konquerer02:58
Luke-Jr_xnt14: echo -e 'RewriteEngine On\nRewriteRule ^/?$ /blog/ [R=301]' > /var/www/…/.htaccess02:59
Luke-Jr_xnt14: then thou failest02:59
xnt14on a sidenote:
Luke-Jr_projects named Unity are doomed to failure02:59
xnt14well first I made a project named unision(server suite/services) then looked for a name for client side :P03:00
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xnt14brb, im going downstairs to the lab to grab an old server to put on my extra spot on my desk03:12
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Firebirdwell thats lame... nokia repair left a loose screw on my tablet03:13
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Macerdamn i hate laundry03:45
Maceri need a slave or something03:46
Macerthey should force all white collar convicts into servitude03:46
Macerthe constitution allows for slavery if someone has been convicted03:46
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xnt14im back04:10
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* xnt14 dies of boredom04:31
* xnt14 throws his webserver out his window, then he realizes that he can't throw a server thats in california xD04:32
xnt14stupid admin, screwed up perms on my htaccess file04:33
xnt14or rather stupid apache04:33
xnt14ah well04:33
* xnt14 reuploads his site04:33
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b-man16~seen xnt1406:13
infobotxnt14 is currently on #maemo (1d 12h 12m 17s). Has said a total of 243 messages. Is idling for 1h 39m 51s, last said: 'ah well'.06:13
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xnt14~seen b-man1606:41
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* xnt14 thinks that b-man has fallen asleep or something :P06:42
xnt14~wakeup b-man1606:42
xnt14~wake b-man1606:43
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Luke-Jr_xnt14: -.- -.- -.- -.- -.- -.- -.- -.- -.- -.- -.- -.- -.- -.- -.- -.- -.- -.- -.- -.- -.- -.- -.- -.- -.- -.- -.- -.- -.- -.-07:07
xnt14^_^ ^_^ ^_^ ^_^ ^_^ ^_^ ^_^ ^_^ ^_^ ^_^ ^_^ ^_^07:08
xnt14ok enough spam07:08
xnt14its not useful07:08
Luke-Jr_xnt14: want me to curse your BME so it eats you alive?07:08
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Luke-Jr_xnt14: pidof bme_rx-3407:09
Luke-Jr_xnt14: pidof bme_RX-3407:09
* xnt14 doesn't own a rx-3407:09
Luke-Jr_RX-44 then07:09
xnt14output blank07:10
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Luke-Jr_xnt14: dare you to kill it07:14
Luke-Jr_video it too07:16
Luke-Jr_so we can see your handheld explode07:16
b-man16Luke-Jr_: i got a traffic light today xD07:17
* b-man16 puts it in his room07:18
* xnt14 runs ssh -l luke-jr 2002:46bb:1a76:0:20e:a6ff:fec4:4e5d killall bme_RX-4407:18
* xnt14 wants a traffic light....07:18
* xnt14 would stick a router in it for fun :P07:18
xnt14look at his hostmask, either a cloaked mask, or he is using ipv607:19
Luke-Jr_xnt14: I don't IRC from my handheld07:19
Luke-Jr_IPv6 duh07:19
b-man16it's funny how large theay actually are up close - it's as tall as me xD07:20
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timeless_mbpStskeeps: pong?07:23
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* xnt14 is bored07:53
* xnt14 posts the xd.c script his just wrote07:53
b-man16wget -c && gcc xd.c -o xd && ./xd07:54
xnt14b-man, it even works on dreamhost :P07:56
xnt14dh has gcc on it07:56
b-man16i know07:56
xnt14but dh is x86_6407:56
b-man16go on to my site and run ./hello ;)07:57
xnt14whats the point of that? :P07:58
b-man16yeah xD07:58
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b-man16just for fun07:59
xnt14its a bin file :P07:59
Luke-Jr_xnt14: FAIL07:59
Luke-Jr_printf abuser!07:59
xnt14Luke-Jr_, tell me a better way to do it then?07:59
Luke-Jr_technically, GCC is changing all your printf to puts anyway07:59
Luke-Jr_but that's beside the point07:59
xnt14ok whatever :P08:00
xnt14Luke-Jr_, do you mind if I post xd.c on #anime?08:03
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timeless_mbpluke-jr: isn't that more glibc? :)08:13
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Luke-Jr_timeless_mbp: glibc might include the mapping, but GCC actually does it :þ08:48
xnt14ok guys, I have to go to sleep -.-08:59
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robinkWhich tools do I use to compile code for the DSP on the OMAP3530?11:12
robinkDo I want the ti_cgt_c6000_6.1.10_setup_linux_x86.bin?11:13
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* Stskeeps plays with pulseaudio and omap2 dsp11:15
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lardmanStskeeps: good stuff, how is it going?11:19
timeless_mbphi Stskeeps11:19
Stskeepslardman: think toggles_w has actually managed to get elmarco's patch working11:19
Stskeepsmorning timeless_mbp11:19
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lardmanthat's the arm-side audio codec driver is it?11:20
Macerhow well is nokia supporting mer?11:21
Stskeepsno, it uses dsp tasks11:21
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Maceri mean. do they hold back code or anything?11:21
StskeepsMacer: i'm not complaining at the support given so far11:21
lardmanoh right, I've not heard of it then, do you have a link?11:21
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Macerwell. thats good.11:21
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StskeepsMacer: they are reasonable, which is good11:21
Macermake mer for a g1 ;)11:22
Macerwith call support haha11:22
Stskeepssolca was working on a port for adp1 at some point11:22
Macerwow really?11:22
Maceri would use mer over android if it worked well11:22
pupniksomebody should work on snes, genesis and psx11:22
lardmanStskeeps: nice, thanks11:22
pupnikhey lardman11:22
Macerwould be nice to have a full blown linux distro on a g111:23
lardmanhi pupnik11:23
Macerlike an n810 with the modem built in11:23
pupnikthinking about implementing pc speaker chip on dsp11:23
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Macerbetter gpu than the n8x0 too11:23
pupnikset a frequency, turn on or off - can run async to dosbox core11:23
StskeepsMacer: probably with no access to it either11:24
Macerlol. maybe11:24
lardmanpupnik: still have the problem that you have to pass the data back to the ARM for output11:24
Macerandroid is supposed to be pretty open but im not sure how bad htc is with their hardware11:24
Macerwould probably attract a lot of ppl if they opened it up11:24
pupnikok lardman - will save it for the pandora boards11:25
pupnikbut it would be a good useful forst step11:25
pupnikso i will try to arrange for this to happen11:25
Macerah. the little guy is finally going to sleep11:26
Maceri was about to drug him lol11:26
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pupniki de-recommend that11:26
Maceri was joking haha11:26
Maceri wouldnt do that. i dont mind staying up and playing with him. i have an awesome son11:27
pupnika good tickling session is a good way to time their tiredness11:27
Macerhe isnt one of the annoying kind of kids that you have impulses to shoot in the back of your brain11:27
pupnikgot gizmo? i want to test it11:28
Macersome kids are like... omg if that kid was mine social services would have to take it away from me11:28
pupnikheh nah.  you just gotta assume authority11:29
Maceri saw one 3 yr old run out in the middle of a resturaunt screaming and running in circles like a nut while the mother did nothing11:29
pupnikthen they dont get so bad11:29
Maceryeah. im fair but firm with my son11:30
Stskeepsi still believe doomsday will come around because of all the spoiled kids.11:30
Macerok. he's out.11:30
pupnikmy parents let me get away with a lot, but had some firm boundaries.11:30
Macermy father didnt let me get away with shit11:31
pupniki had permission to set things on fire on the concrete porch11:31
pupnik"as long as anything flammable is far away"11:31
pupnikorgies of destruction11:32
pupnikplus, i felt like the most advanced kid on the block... "*I* can play with fire, and i can keep it under control"11:33
pupnikthere is much to be said for a certain permission to be given "conspiratorially" from father to son11:35
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timeless_mbpStskeeps: did you poke me yesterday?11:43
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Stskeepstimeless_mbp: yeah, was something opensolaris/nexenta related but i solved it :P11:44
Stskeepsmy data is fully scrubbed and in good shape :P11:44
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RST38hNovell kaboom on the horizon11:54
RST38hSeeling itself in parts11:55
slonopotamusi never liked them anyway12:06
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pupnikRST38h, getting a smartq?12:06
pupniki think it would be a great living room accessory12:07
lardman~curse Egyptian room cleaners for stealing my Swiss Army knife12:15
lardmaninfobot: pull your finger out12:15
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Macertoday is the day12:20
Macerthat i wipe nexenta for opensolaris on my server12:20
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* Macer just sucks it up and stops doing stuff on it12:21
Macerdamnit. forgot i have to copy my other vbox over12:21
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timeless_mbpMacer: Indiana ?12:26
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RST38hpupnik: I would, if there were an easy way to do it12:43
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RST38hDespite my aversion to having too many gadgets12:43
RST38h200MB more of logs and I am killing this thing.12:44
RST38hOh shit it's alive it's alive12:45
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aquatixmorning all13:10
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Macerwelp .. time to finally rid myself of nexenta13:15
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Stskeepsheh, i go insane with the original tools13:15
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wazdhello maemo13:59
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RST38hhello wazd14:01
wazdI wonder why HP still haven't ressurected Jornada with modern ARMs14:02
RST38hBecause PDAs are dead14:02
wazdRST38h: well, Jornada wasn't so P da :)14:03
wazd <- epic design fail from Palm - blurred link underline14:04
RST38hWell, it fell into PDA class in its time14:04
RST38hHP still produces HPaqs, so they have not quite "quit"...14:05
wazdRST38h: I think with modern CPU power and 3G it can rock the business world14:05
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RST38hwazd: It won't14:06
RST38hwazd: If it looks like a laptop, it has to run WIndows.14:06
RST38hNo Windows ==> no success14:06
wazdRST38h: maybe :(14:07
RST38hNokia Communicators have not managed to rock business worlds after all14:07
RST38hBlackberry has though.14:07
mavhcinteresting theory14:11
glasscommunicators have sold pretty ok14:11
glasseven my mom has one haha14:12
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mavhcRST38h: how do you account for macs?14:16
EdLinlast time I checked Nokia actually had the largest percentage of the smartphone market.14:16
EdLinbut much of their products are sold outside of the US14:16
EdLinSymbian is a much bigger platform than Blackberry or iPhone, of course, Nokia keeps making each version incompatible so it's really several platforms with a fragmented developer base.14:17
mavhcnot only nokia14:18
EdLinright, there's some Sony Ericson and other Symbian phones.14:18
EdLinNokia by far is the biggest maker of Symbian phones though.14:19
mavhcandroid and webos are based on linux, iphone on bsd, what about blackberry os?14:20
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EdLinthough programming for it is like programming for an embraced and extended Java ME platform.14:21
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Maceri can't seem to find out wtf is holding up this damn unmounting15:09
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knightsilverwhat is maemo?15:12
Stskeepsnow that's a very good question15:12
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qwerty12_N810something that occupies our time with its IRC channel15:13
knightsilverqwerty12_N810: so thats what its functionality is.15:13
knightsilverbut what is it.15:13
ShadowJKnokia's linux distribution for tablets15:14
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qwerty12_N810In essence, the Linux-based OS Nokia uses on its tablets (770, N800, N810, etc)15:15
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Macerwhy the hell won't this damn thing not allow me unmount my raid15:19
Macerkeeps saying the device is busy but i don't know how15:19
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Macerlol. well.. -f did it :)15:21
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knightsilverShadowJK: does that mean i can use it on my nokia?15:28
lbtMacer.... and have you exported it via nfs?15:29
ShadowJKknightsilver: not on phones15:29
Macerno :)15:29
Maceri turned it off.. it's ok. -f unmounted it15:29
Macerwhatever was trying to use it wasn't important15:29
ShadowJKknightsilver, only on 770, N800 and N810.15:29
lbtOK, np15:29
lbtfuser and lsof next time...15:29
ShadowJKThough rumour has it the next one(s) might be phones too15:29
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Macerbut what sucks is that this stupid phoenix bios doesn't boot from a usb drive15:30
Maceri could just shoot someone15:30
lbtyeah, that sucks15:30
Macerlike you wouldn't believe15:31
Macernow i have to download and burn a cd15:31
mavhchow 200115:31
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Maceri know15:33
Macerno wait.. awesome i have the iso on this laptop15:33
Macerthe real crappy part is that this is the filesrver so if it wasn't on the lapotp i couldn't get it from my fileserver :)15:34
Macerdamnit :) i guess i missed it15:39
Maceror had to reboot or something15:39
Macerbecause now it sees it15:39
Macereither that or it is going to explode15:39
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timeless_mbpStskeeps: so, thoughts on the locale?16:00
Stskeepstimeless_mbp: i like your version16:00
timeless_mbpdid i give you sources?16:00
Stskeepsno i don't think so16:01
timeless_mbplemme package something up16:01
timeless_mbpConnection Established - You are now connected to the wired network16:02
* timeless_mbp kicks nm16:02
Stskeepswhoever wrote those strings needs to die16:02
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timeless_mbpwhat kind of load applet do i have?16:04
Stskeepsthe usual one16:04
timeless_mbpham is offering me maemo5-load-applet16:04
Stskeepseh :P16:04
timeless_mbpbut it doesn't claim to be an update16:04
Stskeepsi don't think we have maemo5-load-applet :)16:04
timeless_mbpi have fremantle repos16:04
Stskeepsdesktop applets/etc from fremantle aren't compatible with mer, sadly16:04
Stskeepswe will get there eventually though16:04
timeless_mbpwtf is with these apps who require libglib2.0-0 ?16:04
Stskeepsthere's a simple explanation for that16:05
timeless_mbppeople are stupid?16:05
Stskeepsubuntu uses glib 2.20 and we use glib  2.1816:05
timeless_mbpand they aren't compatible?16:05
timeless_mbpand libsdl?16:05
Stskeepslibsdl is a naming issue that i hope will be solved in fremantle16:05
timeless_mbpZeemote exmaple game16:06
timeless_mbpdoes it come with syrup?16:06
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Stskeepswe will use 2.20 in 0.15 because someone within nokia contractors did the right thing and made the glib patches16:06
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timeless_mbpdo we know till harbaum ?16:06
Stskeepsyeah, he was in cph too16:07
timeless_mbpirc nick?16:07
timeless_mbpdoes he have a bug tracker or do i send him email?16:07
Stskeepseither way, we will catch many of these issues if we work with jeremiah to add maemoism/scratchboxisms checks to maemian16:07
Stskeepstimeless_mbp: not sure16:07
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timeless_mbpwe should add a spell checker to the builders16:07
timeless_mbpsomething to tell people 'exmaple' is unprofessional16:08
* timeless_mbp kicks the ukmp author16:08
timeless_mbpand the mcalendar author16:08
timeless_mbpmCalendar is a small calendar application specially designed for maemo internet t...16:09
timeless_mbpfor such a small application, it could really use a shorter description :)16:09
timeless_mbp+ mtodos16:09
* timeless_mbp kicks pygtkeditor for the same reason as ukmp16:10
timeless_mbp!seen khhertan16:10
konttori__timeless_mbp: ??? what?16:10
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timeless_mbpkonttori__: short desc should not have a period at the end16:10
timeless_mbpit isn't supposed to be a sentence16:10
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timeless_mbpthanks for fixing :)16:11
konttori__well, what the *ch should it be?16:11
timeless_mbpsomething without a period16:11
timeless_mbpdon't ask me... ask the crazy Debian people :)16:11
konttori__ok. will fix.16:11
konttori__anyway, I really don't like the application manager as a browsing interface of available applications16:11
timeless_mbpkonttori__: well um...16:11
timeless_mbpi can use that or apt-cache search .16:12
konttori__all that is good for, is for the updates.16:12
timeless_mbpat this time i'm using it because that's the official "supported" user interface16:12
konttori__timeless_mbp: I don't believe in the whole debian package database to be the source of finding apps.16:12
timeless_mbpget someone somewhere to replace it16:12
konttori__it's too limited for a real end user.16:12
slonopotamusbtw, there was a lot of hype about fixing package categories. but they don't look fixed :/16:13
timeless_mbpwhat in the world is a real end user? :)16:13
konttori__web runtime interface to would be much better16:13
konttori__timeless_mbp: one who does not know what debian means.16:13
konttori__that's a pretty good explanation for this case.16:13
timeless_mbpwell, put it this way16:14
timeless_mbpthe convention is that every package's description will not end in a period16:15
timeless_mbpand we'll try to enforce it16:15
* Macer hopes this opensolaris install is really going as good as it seems to be16:15
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Macerso far getting rid of nexenta seems to be an easy task16:15
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timeless_mbpkonttori__: i think the description is essentially a headline16:16
timeless_mbpand it makes sense for headlines not to have periods16:16
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* timeless_mbp kicks DateJinni's author for botching the DiceJinni description :)16:18
timeless_mbplack of consistency by a single dev for his pair of packages, so unprofessional :(16:18
timeless_mbptim teulings16:19
suihkulokkilintian gives a warning if you end the short description in a period16:19
timeless_mbpplease say we run lintian on builders/cauldron16:19
timeless_mbpwe should highlight that one16:19
timeless_mbpand i'd argue that promotion should be refused for it16:19
Stskeepsmaemian, yeah16:20
timeless_mbpPackageView by tim teulings ends in a comma!16:20
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timeless_mbpankimaemi is worse, it has a period but its first line is written as part of the description16:21
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timeless_mbpconboy is similar16:22
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* timeless_mbp sighs16:24
timeless_mbpStskeeps: please say someone filed bugs about maemopad+'s disastrous startup sequence16:24
Stskeepsdigg front page: 'A Supreme Leader Loses His Aura as Iranians Flock to Sts'16:24
Macerjust replaced nexenta with opensolaris in like 20 mins flat16:24
Macerthat's awesome16:24
Stskeepsdid you try using the shell yet? :P16:25
MacerStskeeps: you use the built in cifs at all?16:25
StskeepsMacer: yeah16:25
Stskeeps(i think)16:25
Macerdoes it work better than using samba?16:25
Stskeepstimeless_mbp: as in, non-gnu tools16:25
StskeepsMacer: is okay.. but i honestly set it up a long time ago16:25
timeless_mbpMacer: did you pick Nevada or Indiana?16:25
Macerer.. which is which? i just chose the 2009.06 live cd16:26
Macerthat's the one i've been using for the installs16:26
Macerso far i have it on 3 boxes here16:26
Macerif the wifi works on my macbook.. then i'm going to replace osx too :)16:26
timeless_mbpthat's indiana16:26
timeless_mbpnevada was SXCE things16:26
Maceroh.. no .. i tried to stay away from sxce16:27
* timeless_mbp frowns16:27
timeless_mbpso the Shit key is still on your keyboard16:27
timeless_mbpStskeeps: please say that's a high priority bug16:27
timeless_mbpit's present at 800x48016:27
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Stskeepstimeless_mbp: yeah, but i should really add it to trac16:27
timeless_mbpi think i added it somewhere16:27
Stskeepswe basically need to replace it with the pre-existing shift icon16:27
Maceri have to try this cifs crap out heh16:28
* timeless_mbp sighs16:28
timeless_mbp /!\ Really delete?16:29
timeless_mbpthat stupid confirm dialog is system modal?16:29
* timeless_mbp really wants to kill someone16:29
Stskeepswhich one?16:29
timeless_mbpbut since it's a hildon styled dialog, i'd assume it's hildon16:29
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timeless_mbpwho owns "Fine File Manager"? :(16:31
timeless_mbpit doesn't seem to work :(16:31
* slonopotamus sees tear-bookmarks package in extras-devel, but no tear itself :/ is it really so hard to follow package dependencies when pushing them to repos?16:32
timeless_mbpdependencies are hard16:32
slonopotamusargh, then don't mess with them16:33
timeless_mbpslonopotamus: try installing ankimaemi16:33
timeless_mbpit refuses to install, it needs anki!16:33
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slonopotamusanki - 10 mb, ankimaemi - 1.4 mb16:34
slonopotamusbut ankimaemi depends on anki16:34
timeless_mbpanki is presumably the back end16:35
timeless_mbpand anki{whichever} is the front end16:35
slonopotamusoh, misread16:35
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slonopotamuss/anki /ankiqt/16:35
slonopotamusanyway, looks useless :)16:35
timeless_mbpankiqt depends on qt16:35
timeless_mbpyou're being billed for qt16:36
timeless_mbpbut it doesn't matter, both are missing anki :)16:36
slonopotamusit is listed in deps16:36
MacerStskeeps: how can i see what the dev names are for sata drives?16:36
timeless_mbpyeah, but anki doesn't seem available16:36
Maceri'm trying to attach the 2nd drive to rpool to be mirrored and can't seem to get it16:36
StskeepsMacer: format -e maybe16:37
slonopotamustimeless_mbp, ham says it's  installable16:37
timeless_mbpyou using maemo5 or mer?16:37
slonopotamusneither :)16:37
timeless_mbpankimaemi needs anki
timeless_mbpi'm offered anki
slonopotamustimeless_mbp, i have anki
timeless_mbpslonopotamus: which repo offered it?16:39
slonopotamushow i know that?16:40
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timeless_mbpapt-cache policy anki16:40
slonopotamus diablo/free Packages16:41
* slonopotamus thinks that maemo repos are just screwed up16:41
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slonopotamushow it got into that repo? :)16:42
timeless_mbpankimaemi is only offered to me from fremantle/free16:42
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slonopotamusall this repo stuff is just broken16:43
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* timeless_mbp frowns16:45
timeless_mbpslonopotamus: ok, i bet the problem is that depends on a glibc i can't install16:46
slonopotamusoh my16:46
slonopotamuswith = dep?16:46
slonopotamusnot >= ?16:46
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slonopotamusyou can't have older glibc than diablo, right?16:47
timeless_mbpanki depends on python-simplejson (>= 2.0.6) but 1.9.2-1build1 is installed16:47
timeless_mbpso i was wrong about it being glibc16:47
timeless_mbpbut it's the right general problem16:47
timeless_mbpand total UI/UE fail16:47
slonopotamusUE - ?16:48
timeless_mbpuser experience16:48
slonopotamuserr... python-simplejson comes from same repo16:49
slonopotamusapt-cache policy doesn't show full url16:50
timeless_mbpwell. wtf16:50
timeless_mbpthis seems installable16:50
timeless_mbpok, so if i can install python-simplejson=2.0.9-1maemo116:50
timeless_mbpwhy doesn't apt offer to do that for me?16:50
slonopotamusapt-get upgrade offers?16:51
timeless_mbpapt-get upgrade offers maemopadplus, python-ystockquote and locale-l10n-enus116:51
timeless_mbpthat last one would be a disaster16:51
slonopotamustry installing python-simplejson=2.0.9-1maemo1 by hand? maybe smth prevents it?16:51
timeless_mbpsince it's the diablo version16:51
timeless_mbpseems like it worked16:52
slonopotamusdiablo has newer version than fremantle? :)16:52
timeless_mbpfreemantle/free had 2.0.9-1maemo1 too16:52
timeless_mbpso no16:53
slonopotamusthen i still wonder why it wasn't automatically pulled in for you16:53
timeless_mbpit still isn't working16:53
timeless_mbpi'm still told i can't have anki =
qwerty12_N810is it apt or hildon-application-manager telling you this?16:54
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timeless_mbpwhich managed to corrupt my catalogs list16:55
timeless_mbpand told me "operation failed"16:55
qwerty12_N810i wouldn't bother trusting, it's a little retarded in that sense16:55
rmtSo - anything happening at LinuxTag?16:55
timeless_mbpapt says ankimaemi can't be installed16:56
rmtIn Berlin this week, and will drop by16:56
* timeless_mbp so doesn't get it16:57
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timeless_mbpdoes apt have an "explain" feature?17:08
timeless_mbpif i give it the *obvious* solution it doesn't have issues17:08
qwerty12_N810apt-get moo17:08
MacerStskeeps: ?17:08
Macerhow does the built in cifs authenticate?17:09
Macerdo you just use the shell login/pw for it?17:09
Macerwas looking at that17:11
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konttori__timeless_mbp: did you at any point consider that most of the devs really don't have the time nor the interest to really get used to debian rules?17:23
konttori__timeless_mbp: perhaps if had a really good and simple packaging instructions, it might make sense17:23
konttori__also, on most systems, debian packaging is done by people who mainly do packaging.17:24
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konttori__and the devs are separate.17:24
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konttori__perhaps should also make it so that devs can concentrate on development and someone will be pulling stuff all the time to extras17:24
konttori__I really would not mind not having to care about the packaging.17:24
konttori__timeless_mbp: also, I don't understand why you are making a hate list of people who have had a comma at the end of description lines. Just send them emails instead17:25
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Stskeepskonttori__: i think it's exactly for mailing them  :P17:35
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konttori__so, he's mailing them?17:36
konttori__good for him.17:36
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xnt14oh clone on xchat17:37
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xnt14this is what happens17:37
* xnt14 plays around in ~/.xchat217:38
timeless_mbpStskeeps: speaking of which17:40
timeless_mbpmer-platform(0|-dev) are guilty17:40
* xnt14 wonders why Stskeeps, timeless and konttori_ was highlighted when they didn't even mention me :P17:40
timeless_mbpxnt14: maybe we were among the recent joiners and your name was too?17:40
xnt14timeless_mbp, nah, my xchat config is screwed up :P17:41
xnt14need to find the option thats causing this17:41
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* timeless_mbp grumbles17:42
* timeless_mbp kicks something17:42
Stskeepstimeless_mbp: yeah, not my package17:44
timeless_mbpapt-cache show seems stupid17:44
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timeless_mbpmy count shows 500 potential packages17:46
timeless_mbpbut i think most are duplicates because apt is stupid17:47
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timeless_mbphow do i tell apt-cache show to only show me one version?17:51
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* xnt14 wants to kill xchat, it keeps on bugging me while im trying to fix the issue17:52
xnt14nevermind fixed17:52
Macerwell. this has been a huge success. now i have to lug this damn thing back into the coal room17:52
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MacerStskeeps: the cifs is awesome :)17:52
Macertimeless_mbp: thanks a ton for that guide17:53
Macerit was better than the one i was using17:53
timeless_mbpgoogle is cheap17:53
Maceri still have to install the other repos on it so i can put vbox and i guess flash on it17:54
Macerbut other than that. the thing seems rock solid17:54
timeless_mbpright... so... someone want to help me use apt?17:55
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Macerdon't know why the hell i would need flash for a server but why not?18:05
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* timeless_mbp grumbles18:06
Macerwhat's wrong with apt timeless_mbp ? :)18:06
Macerusually ti just kind of works18:06
timeless_mbpit's incredibly stupid?18:06
timeless_mbpsuppose i have a package foo in versions 0.1, 0.2, 0.318:07
timeless_mbphow do i ask it to apt-cache show only 0.2?18:07
Macerhonestly don't know.. didn't really use it too much myself18:07
Macermaybe aptitude would be a better thing to use?18:07
timeless_mbpdoubtful :)18:07
Maceri never really used apt other than apt-get install foo.. and really... i hardly used that too often18:08
Macerinstall opensolaris on the n810 :)18:08
Maceruh oh. the son is up :)18:08
Macerhave to go .. happy father's day to the fathers18:08
k-swhich playlist?18:09
k-sand I don't use tracker :-/18:09
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timeless_mbpis my list of offenders fwiw18:18
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slonopotamustimeless_mbp, you don't like dots? :)18:20
timeless_mbpslonopotamus: debian doesn't18:20
GAN8001slonopotamus, waiting on Nokia.18:20
timeless_mbpand i agree18:20
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GeneralAntilleskonttori__, using the web for app browsing is stupid18:21
GeneralAntillesIt'll never be faster or more effective than native.18:21
GeneralAntillesThe Application Manager just needs to be made not to suck.18:21
* timeless_mbp shrugs18:21
timeless_mbpi've been on both sides of this one18:21
GeneralAntillesThe Debian database information isn't a limitation.18:21
GeneralAntillesBoth should be provided.18:21
timeless_mbpgan is assuming nokia can manage to make it not suck18:22
GeneralAntillesBut the native one should be pushed primarily.18:22
timeless_mbpnokia mostly wants to make it webby18:22
GeneralAntillesOvi Store isn't very encouraging.18:22
timeless_mbpi just want the data source to not suck18:22
timeless_mbpbecause bad data is a bad start18:22
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GeneralAntillesI've laid out a reasonable formula for them right here:
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GeneralAntillestimeless_mbp, I agree.18:23
GeneralAntillesReading over the package data for the stuff in Extras gives me ticks.18:23
GeneralAntillesBut these are two separate issues.18:24
* timeless_mbp nods18:24
* timeless_mbp frowns18:24
* timeless_mbp wonders how to convert this into something useful18:24
slonopotamuscan't you reupload packages with broken categories? that shouldn't take more than several hours.18:24
timeless_mbpcsv? :)18:24
qwerty12_N810slonopotamus: you're making the false assumption that nokia shipped out h-a-m with fixed categories...18:25
GeneralAntillesIf you replace the categories now you lose localization.18:25
RST38hGeneral: All the screenshots in that wiki page are now going to be replaced18:27
RST38hGeneral: given how different Fremantle UI is18:27
GeneralAntillesRST38h, sure, but the basic concepts remain.18:28
GeneralAntillesand I can update them easily once I see what the hell it is Nokia is still hiding back there18:28
GeneralAntillesThey've so totally fucked the timeline for the full beta UI.18:28
* GeneralAntilles 's anger level towards Nokia is reaching the high-water mark.18:28
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timeless_mbpok, so andrew flegg owns one offender18:44
RST38hAn electrical fault has delayed the LHC startup to October.18:44
mavhcgod is trying to save the universe!18:45
GeneralAntillestimeless_mbp, kill him!18:45
qwerty12_N810RST38h: these guys should team up with pandora guys18:45
timeless_mbpthere are 66 offending maemo packages18:45
* RST38h is off to post to itt =)18:45
timeless_mbpon average each packager has 2 offending packages18:45
timeless_mbpso it's about 30 offenders18:45
GeneralAntillestimeless_mbp, you have a list of emails?18:46
timeless_mbpFaheem Pervez <> has 718:46
timeless_mbpGeneralAntilles: i have a csv file :)18:46
GeneralAntillesqwerty12_N810, usuk.18:46
qwerty12_N810I'm a guilty bastard.18:46
GeneralAntillestimeless_mbp, pass it over to jeremiah?18:46
timeless_mbpjeremiah: ping18:46
* timeless_mbp loves this:18:47
qwerty12_N810But the period on the Formido package owns. "Kill all the alien bastards." - that's class, right there.18:47
timeless_mbproot <>18:47
timeless_mbptz <> wins for the longest description18:48
timeless_mbpFaster, more efficient gpsd replacement which includes support for logging to kml, gpsgate, extra (OBD2) data, integrated google maps and webpage or kml server, and simultaneous internal/bluetooth GPS.18:48
timeless_mbpthat isn't quite under 80 columns in case anyone is curious18:48
timeless_mbp(or 200 for that matter)18:49
timeless_mbp(it's 201)18:49
timeless_mbpanyway, back later18:49
timeless_mbpi'll file bugs or send mail or something18:49
timeless_mbpand i'll post the scripts i used eventually18:49
* GeneralAntilles is going to go kill himself in a 40HP 13' Boston Whaler18:51
qwerty12_N810timeless: what version number does osso-pick-locale hold?18:52
qwerty12_N810RST38h: add a pool!18:52
infobotqwerty12_N810 meant: RST38h: add a poll!18:52
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timelysQwerty, got it all nice and shiny?18:55
qwerty12_N810timelys: nope :)18:55
qwerty12_N810doing the reboot dialog...18:56
RST38hqwerty: Done -
timelysWill the reboot dialog be suid?18:56
qwerty12_N810nah, I'll make it run gksu18:57
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GeneralAntilles needs a Maemo phone19:00
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konttori__GeneralAntilles: I'll take a look at the suggestions19:08
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lcukkonttori__, web runtime doesn't magically solve problems - there is no magic bullet19:11
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* lcuk thinks app manager should be a really nice slick local app that feels like its part of your device19:12
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mavhcor a local app is just a cached web app19:15
lcukyeah mavhc, thats the same for all apps19:16
lcukapart from those created on the device itself19:16
knightsilverShadowJK: but nit the 335?19:17
mavhcit's just different views of the same data, screenshots, reviews, etc are shown when you go to the website version, name, description on the local19:17
lcukoh yeah i know but its where that data is expected from19:18
konttori__lcuk: indeed, there is not magic bullet. but comparing the views of the downloads section and the appman, it's quite clear how much more good information there is in downloads than in appman.19:20
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konttori__also, the ability to have the sorting by popularity is really nice.19:20
lcuki agree konttori__ - infact i have a selection of screenshots of the top apps as test data in liqbase, using the funky search brings things up really quickly19:21
konttori__sounds good19:21
lcukit certainly gives more ideas :)19:22
konttori__but really, to get appman to a proper state requires much more than has been outlined in GeneralAntilles page, even though that is a good start.19:22
kkrustyI think I know now whats wrong with doneit. It expects python2.6 while I have python2.519:22
mavhcso really you want a discovery installer? that suggests what you should install?19:23
konttori__I would vote for the proper integration with downloads to be the single improvement to make to appman19:23
lcukkonttori__, every road starts with a single step19:23
lcukand the work general has put in over the months and the discussions he has started at least gets things moving19:23
lcukinstead of leaving the status quo19:23
lcukthe problem is konttori__ downloads does not list all things required by the app manager19:24
* slonopotamus thinks categories localization should be separate package from h-a-m so it can be easily updated19:24
* kkrusty weeps at incompatible versions19:24
lcukthere are many apps and libraries which do not have a downloads linkup19:24
konttori__lcuk: well, those apps should be then added to downloads19:24
konttori__it can be done even automatically easily19:24
lcukdownloads only shows the final completed ready for production things that people want to advertise19:24
lcukapp man allows ANY application in any repo to be discoverable19:25
konttori__lcuk: and so should extras19:25
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lcukkonttori__, should libliqbase be added to downloads with a nice picture of a command line and stuff?19:26
lcukhow do you advertise tracker?19:26
lcukim not against it, i think having the comments and ratings and pics are *GOOD* and extremely user friendly things19:26
lcukbut they dont cover everything19:27
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slonopotamusqwerty12_N810, i don't think categories are fixed, but net, internet, network and connectivity could be easily joined into one. that's just a question of reuploading19:28
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slonopotamussame thing with navigation vs. Navigation19:28
slonopotamusah, there's also 'connection' :)19:30
slonopotamusand i don't understand what stops you from uploading newer h-a-m to extras with updated categories translations19:31
slonopotamusassuming they're not hardcoded in binaries :)19:31
lcukeven if they are, there is an update mechanism19:32
lcuksince the app man is open source, what happens if someone uploads an alternative version to extras19:32
lcukwould it completely make the world implode19:32
slonopotamusaren't extras uploads verified  by trusted persons?19:33
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lcukbut if a member of the maemo council (generalantilles) isnt trusted, then who is19:34
lcukanyway, if a new package manager came along that also had dynamic links to the downloads sections as well as doing the apt- stuff - even if it had a new name it may take off19:35
lcukjust like alternative package managers on other platforms have19:36
lcukz4chh, whats the arch package manager called :D19:36
lcukits not graphical tho is it19:37
z4chhnot naturally no hah19:38
lcuktis an example of alternative tho :)19:38
z4chhthere may be a gui to pacman...i don't know of it though19:38
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lcuki wonder if aptitude or something would work19:38
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slonopotamusanyway. if maemo community really wants to fix its repos, it can easily do it :)19:42
konttori__lcuk: you should definitely add it to downloads for the app.19:43
Jaffa  There's a thread on maemo-developers which talks about how we could ship an updated version of h-a-m, or any other s/w19:43
JaffaHowever, a) it's lacking people who have time to bother experimenting; and b) it's not easy to make it seamless (ideally, Nokia would ship an upgrade saying "community can now issue diablo updates", but since that hasn't happened (and the question was met with silence) - it'd have to be an elective upgrade on the part of people19:44
slonopotamusbesides that, h-a-m doesn't look very complicated so it can be just thrown away and rewritten19:44
* lcuk coughs19:44
JaffaWhy rewrite rather than improve?19:44
JaffaNIH syndrome.19:44
JaffaThe code's not that bad (having submitted some patches)19:44
lcukslonopotamus, i am betting there are a LOT of very complex things in appman19:44
slonopotamusJaffa, err... h-a-m is open?19:45
lcukthe rewrite and start from scratch mantra is something a freshman would say, then spend the next 10 years19:45
Jaffaslonopotamus: Yeah, most open user-facing component of Maemo19:45
qwerty12_N810the option to use the apt algo. from the fremantle versions of h-a-m would be useful19:45
qwerty12_N810h-a-m's own sucks19:46
slonopotamusoh. then i take my 'rewrite it' words back. improve it :)19:46
mavhcversion 1 is shipped when it just about works, v2 includes everything you left out of v1, v3 includes all the stuff people asked for, v4 is a complete rewrite.19:46
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Jaffamvo's been happy to apply community patches; it's just a shame there's not been a diablo update since the patches went in19:46
mavhceverything past v1 is never finished19:46
Jaffaslonopotamus: Community-provided patches, and the "hide sections which aren't translater (i.e. approved)" fix from mvo himself are all in the h-a-m in Mer.19:47
lcukjaffa, my biggest peev with it is having a whole screen listing the items and being forced to press on an 8x8 pixel down arrow to list through them19:47
lcukits diabolical19:47
slonopotamusjaffa, you're advocating agains maemo? :D19:47
* slonopotamus should try mer...19:48
GAN800Man the 3G S fucking screams19:49
* GAN800 can't wait for OMAP3<19:49
GAN800"S" may be stupid, but it's appropriate19:49
GAN800Every animation is like glass19:50
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mavhcstill 6 random characters away from the average electronic goods name19:53
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GeneralAntilleskonttori__, integrate Downloads info into h-a-m.19:53
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GeneralAntilleskonttori__, just combine the data from the Debian repo and Downloads.19:54
* GeneralAntilles is glad he didn't get the E7119:54
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JaffaGAN800: baloo's got a 3GS too. Seems pleased.19:55
lcukonce its jailbroken, can you change the os?19:55
lcukie is native linux on it yet19:55
lcukWhy Not?19:55
Stskeepsa sane linux kernel isn't trivial :P19:56
GeneralAntillesDrivers, etc?19:56
Stskeepswe're more likely to have mer on pre though19:56
GeneralAntillesApple's got that shit locked down19:56
GeneralAntillesThe N95 doesn't even have Linux.19:56
lcukStskeeps, sounds reasonable19:56
lcuki could technically drop liqbase ontop of the current pre backend linux i believe, given xv drivers19:57
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Macerwhy are the super heroes in justice league such punks?20:02
Macerlike superman is hurt by lasers and not strong at all20:02
Macerhe is a punk20:03
mavhcthey don't like rock'n'roll?20:03
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* timelys kicks symbian20:39
* Stskeeps is just happy he can watch the daily show again20:39
timelysI got a bluetooth message20:39
timelysIt asked me if i wanted it ... Yes20:39
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timelysThen it said ... Not enough memory delete some data first20:40
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timelysIt doesn't say how much i need or from which bucket20:41
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timelysSts, what happened?20:41
timelysGeneral, will you beat package people with trouts as they speak up here20:43
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timelysLcuk. Iirc, you're an offender too20:47
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timelysLcuk, application manager should work with the arrow widget on n8x0s20:50
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RST38hAnother 2GB+ of logs...20:52
RST38hbut at least INC, DEC, and CMP work properly now20:53
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timelysI'd expect the 5 version to support panning20:53
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timelyshey, is where the wild things are20:56
timelysComing as a movie20:56
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timelysWatching trailers in finland can suck21:00
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suihkulokki20:56 < timelys> hey, is where the wild things are21:05
suihkulokkiI'll store this for the next time you complain about my grammar :P21:05
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* RST38h curses CMP instruction twelve times21:24
RST38hMaybe I should just use OF flag to invert SF flag or something...21:24
* RST38h also curses DEC and its microcode21:25
pupnikwatching Star Trek pilot episode "The Cage" starring Susan Oliver - a goddess!21:27
RST38hpupnik: a-, not the- ? =)21:27
pupnikyou have a point21:27
pupnikyoutube has the whole pilot21:27
RST38hmen were men and women wore less? =)21:27
RST38h"In the syndication version scenes with Spock showing emotion were left out"21:29
RST38hOne decision - and the whole series could have gone completely different =)21:29
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pupnik"Suppose you had all of space to choose from, and this was only one small sample..."  "Wouldn't you say it was worth a man's soul??" <Vina dances>21:32
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* RST38h wonders if SUB behaves the same way as CMP21:41
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RST38hShit, no, it does not. Curse curse curse.21:43
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timeless_mbpsuihkulokki: try typing while you're in a theater using t922:52
timeless_mbpand you're afraid words will be erased by your phone22:52
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timeless_mbpwhich rebooted sometime during the movie, i might add22:52
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StskeepsMacer: prd23:10
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Tobahey, where would the dhcp leases reside on maemo?23:16
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timeless_mbpToba: eh?23:25
timeless_mbpyou mean like a dhclient?23:25
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timeless_mbptypically end users just change connection or disconnect+ connect :)23:26
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lcukToba, they reside somewhere in the device23:32
lcuknot sure where, cos i didnt want to pull the chips themselves off23:32
lcukthey might be small enough to hide under there23:32
lcukor maybe just inside the battery compartment23:33
Tobayou're so helpful23:33
lcuki think timeless is right, most people just reconnect23:33
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TobaI'm now figuring that my access point is probably still acting as a DHCP server. whoops.23:34
Tobahopefully the leases time out.23:34
Tobaalso, why should it keep a lease from before i changed the netblock. that's bad coding right there.23:34
Tobayay for non routable ip addresses23:34
timeless_mbplcuk: did you fix your packages?23:35
lcuk0.3.10 is JUST building now23:35
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timeless_mbpPackage: libliqbase-dev23:36
timeless_mbpDescription: liqbase rendering engine and ui core elements.23:36
timeless_mbpas long as it builds w/o that '.' at the end :)23:36
timeless_mbpsame for libliqbase1 :)23:36
lcukwhats up with the dot :O23:36
timeless_mbpit's against the debian packaging guidelines :)23:36
lcukit was implicit and the package will fail if its missing23:37
lcukoh gawd! :(23:37
lcukerrr can we just pretend its ok until after i have a working version - i have no hair left and frankly im afraid to touch anything at all in it23:37
timeless_mbpjust open debian/control23:37
timeless_mbpfind the line with Description: ...23:37
timeless_mbpand remove the '.' from the end of it :)23:38
lcukive been doing that for the last 3 weeks23:38
timeless_mbpthere are two such lines, remove it from both :)23:38
timeless_mbpno need to push a new version just for that23:38
timeless_mbpbut please fix it so the next version you push doesn't have that23:38
lcuki know, ill check both and also from liqbase-playground23:38
* lcuk sighs23:38
timeless_mbpthen you can exit the hall of shame:
timeless_mbpthanks :)23:39
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lcukcool tho23:39
lcukpackaging needs someone looking over shoulder :)23:39
lcukso for that reason alone i shall listen and change now23:39
* timeless_mbp grumbles23:40
timeless_mbp"phonelink",01/04/03,"Fred Lefevere-Laoide","Let you dial or sms using your Bluetooth Phone and your contacts from GPE or the built-in contacts."23:40
timeless_mbpwhy didn't that get quotes?23:40
timeless_mbpoh ... openoffice helpfully removed them for me23:40
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Macertook the son out for fathers day time23:46
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Macertrying to get this centos vbox working correctly now23:46
RST38hcentos! bleah.23:47
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lcuk2timeless_mbp, :)23:47
timeless_mbperr no23:48
lcuk2i got rid of both didnt i23:48
timeless_mbponly from the Description: line23:48
timeless_mbpthe other thing is a paragraph23:48
lcuk2does it need the . ?23:48
lcuk2oh ffs23:48
timeless_mbpand sentences too23:48
timeless_mbpso some capital letters at the beginning :)23:48
* lcuk2 looks skyward23:48
lcuk2ok, does it need them for packaging policy, or just niceness?23:49
MacerRST38h: is for my zimbra server23:49
Macercentos: the poor man's rhel23:50
timeless_mbpDescription: x is used as {package-name} {is|are} {shortdesc}.23:50
timeless_mbpthe other thing is a multiline independent paragraph (or paragraphs) describing the package23:50
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Macerseem to be running into problems with the vnics23:51
Macermaybe i would be better off using nat than bridging it23:51
Macerbut then id have to config the vnat23:52
Macerright now im in whatever works status23:52
Macerthe built in cifs is great23:53
Macershould see if i can get it to auth :)23:53
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Macerzimbra is such a whore to start23:55
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