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| GeneralAntilles | timeless_mbp, beatings I can do. | 01:04 |
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| GeneralAntilles | But not in real time in here. | 01:04 |
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| xnt14 | xD | 01:26 |
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| amr- | is there another client besides xchat? | 02:33 |
| amr- | many channels becomes a problem quickly | 02:33 |
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| infobot | xnt14 is currently on #maemo (10h 44m 42s). Has said a total of 13 messages. Is idling for 2h 42m 22s, last said: 'hes late'. | 04:09 |
| b-man16 | lol | 04:09 |
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| prak | should the gps working seamlessly with maemo mapper when the operating system is updated on the n810? | 05:05 |
| Toba | I did an update to the latest and maemo mapper started working | 05:07 |
| Toba | remember to backup your stuff first, just in caseb | 05:08 |
| prak | i keep on having errors getting gps data | 05:08 |
| Toba | weird | 05:08 |
| prak | it never worked for my n810 | 05:08 |
| Toba | didn't happen to me | 05:08 |
| prak | ok | 05:08 |
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| Luke-Jr_ | GPS hasn't worked all week for me period | 05:14 |
| Luke-Jr_ | maybe something with sattelites? | 05:14 |
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| milhouse | Luke-Jr: See https://bugs.maemo.org/show_bug.cgi?id=2878 and https://bugs.maemo.org/show_bug.cgi?id=3851, specifically bug 3851 comment #9 - you might have stale GPS data | 05:34 |
| milhouse | GPS is very buggy in N810/Diablo, and isn't going to be fixed (at least not by Nokia). :( | 05:35 |
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| Luke-Jr_ | milhouse: I know that better than anymore. | 05:46 |
| Luke-Jr_ | milhouse: Stskeeps has volunteered to get a Nokia employee drunk for this cause. | 05:47 |
| Luke-Jr_ | milhouse: anyhow, I don't think I can have stale data, as I have no data at all | 05:47 |
| milhouse | Excellent, even when drunk the quality of coding can't be any worse than what has been released so far... ;-) | 05:47 |
| Luke-Jr_ | ;) | 05:48 |
| Luke-Jr_ | milhouse: my gpsdriver lacks persistent storage, afaik | 05:48 |
| Luke-Jr_ | it could be related to 2.6.30 kernel, but I *think* I have worked around the problems introduced by that | 05:49 |
| Luke-Jr_ | ooh, didn't know about /var/lib/gps/ | 05:50 |
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| RST38h | moo all | 07:32 |
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| RST38h | CIA seeks laid-off bankers in N.Y. recruitment drive eeek | 08:00 |
| Pavlov | heh | 08:01 |
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| johnx | mornin' | 08:05 |
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| RST38h | moo johnx | 08:10 |
| johnx | m00f | 08:10 |
| RST38h | finally somebody noticed: http://itmanagement.earthweb.com/osrc/article.php/3826171/Does-Anyone-Want-a-New-Linux-Desktop.htm | 08:10 |
| johnx | I asked a variation of this on LUG mailing list 10 years ago. It turns out there isn't actually one leader of all Linux that tells people what to do | 08:12 |
| johnx | I was shocked too | 08:12 |
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| johnx | I like that part: "...the free software community needs to consider..." | 08:14 |
| johnx | "Hey you random lot of people doing Z! I wish you would do Y instead." | 08:15 |
| RST38h | That too, but the course toward more convoluted features nobody needs cannot be denied | 08:16 |
| * RST38h still can't figure out who will need that "kde social desktop" stuff | 08:16 | |
| johnx | Also: if we asked users what their ideal desktop was back in the TWM days we'd be using TWM with user-selectable colors in the title bars | 08:16 |
| RST38h | johnx: Yes, please =) | 08:16 |
| johnx | I think we just agreed to disagree :> | 08:17 |
| RST38h | I do think most people just want Windows though | 08:17 |
| johnx | because that's what they use | 08:17 |
| RST38h | Yep | 08:17 |
| johnx | if you'll notice, it's not just that they want windows, it's that they want windows xp :D | 08:17 |
| RST38h | More or less, yes | 08:18 |
| johnx | people resist change | 08:18 |
| RST38h | Although I guess there is some flexibility there | 08:18 |
| johnx | MS extended XP licensing through 2011 | 08:18 |
| RST38h | People probably woulldn't mind a bit different window decorations, slightly different task bar, etc | 08:18 |
| RST38h | But unloading artificial crap like "social desktop" on them is kinda excessive | 08:19 |
| Macer | johnx: lol | 08:19 |
| Macer | i figured by now the marketing nazis would have released xp under a different name | 08:20 |
| Macer | like Windows Lite eXtreme | 08:20 |
| johnx | eh, if you don't constantly throw new things at users to see what sticks then yeah, we'll avoid 9 dead ends and 1 totally new paradigm | 08:20 |
| johnx | sorry, couldn't think of the non-bullshit word for paradigm | 08:21 |
| Macer | johnx: that wouldnt allow them to sell a "major upgrade" | 08:21 |
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| Macer | snow leopard will cost like $30 because it is worthless | 08:22 |
| johnx | eh, I'll probably expense it for my work laptop | 08:22 |
| johnx | looks like it has one or two nice tweaks | 08:22 |
| Macer | it is a leopard update that they are pawning off as being "new" | 08:22 |
| Macer | the major thing it was supposed to have was pulled | 08:23 |
| johnx | there was something about window management I saw and kinda liked, but yeah, I forgot what it was now | 08:23 |
| Macer | :) dropping the hfs+ garbage and use zfs | 08:23 |
| Macer | but that fell through | 08:24 |
| johnx | meh | 08:24 |
| johnx | hfs+ seems solid enough on the desktop | 08:24 |
| Macer | well | 08:24 |
| Macer | it sucks | 08:24 |
| Macer | heh | 08:24 |
| Macer | not to mention it forks across network shares | 08:24 |
| Macer | and there is no way to stop it from doing it | 08:25 |
| johnx | from an architecture PoV it's skeery as hell, but it doesn't really seem to affect how people use their computers | 08:25 |
| * johnx is firmly a Mac user, couldn't care less about the backend stuff | 08:25 | |
| johnx | it's a black box to me :) as long as it works for me+my users I'm happy | 08:26 |
| * RST38h could not figure out what to do with MacOSX. Had to resort to the terminal. | 08:26 | |
| johnx | heh. right now my mac os x and linux desktops only differ in where I shove the dock-like thing | 08:26 |
| Macer | i want to install opensolaris on my mb | 08:26 |
| Macer | and get rid of osx | 08:27 |
| johnx | and that linux handles compositing in a more uniform manner | 08:27 |
| johnx | (vs mac os) | 08:27 |
| Macer | the forking just drives me up the wall | 08:27 |
| RST38h | anyways, time to go to work | 08:27 |
| Macer | johnx: the typical mac user will say "that stuff isnt necessary" | 08:27 |
| johnx | have fun RST38h :) | 08:27 |
| Macer | like a desktop cube | 08:28 |
| Macer | lol | 08:28 |
| Macer | what a comp out | 08:28 |
| johnx | Macer, still have mac os x installed? close firefox (if open), click the firefox icon, switch to spaces before it launches | 08:28 |
| * RST38h is burdened with management duties for the next 2 weeks. Can't get late. | 08:28 | |
| johnx | what happens? | 08:28 |
| johnx | RST38h, ugh, best of luck. but make sure you don't do too good of a job or they'll promote you | 08:29 |
| Macer | lol! | 08:29 |
| RST38h | johnx: have to make sure I buy some vaseline first... | 08:29 |
| RST38h | johnx: to make the experience less painful, you know... | 08:29 |
| johnx | RST38h, O_o; | 08:29 |
| johnx | Macer, yeah: doesn't handle compositing very well | 08:29 |
| Macer | why not? | 08:31 |
| johnx | I think it cheats somehow. the virtual desktops aren't as "real" as they are with compiz | 08:32 |
| johnx | but you saw the firefox window come up full size over the middle of the desktops, right? | 08:32 |
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| Macer | huh? | 08:52 |
| Macer | i have to try to get opensolaris on it | 08:53 |
| Macer | if the wifi can adhoc then i am a happy camper | 08:53 |
| johnx | ugh | 08:53 |
| johnx | ad-hoc wifi = pain no matter where you go | 08:53 |
| Macer | not in osx or win :) | 08:53 |
| Macer | i need it to tether my g1 | 08:54 |
| johnx | for me the answer was "yes" and "I wouldn't know" | 08:54 |
| Macer | in linux it is a pain | 08:54 |
| Macer | because the lack of proper wifi drivers | 08:54 |
| johnx | only place I ever saw it kinda work :) | 08:54 |
| johnx | the N8x0 isn't a very good example of linux wifi drivers though | 08:54 |
| Macer | linux on the macbook couldnt do it | 08:55 |
| Macer | because it had to use a wrapper | 08:55 |
| johnx | mac os x on a macbook wouldn't do it for me | 08:55 |
| Macer | wow serious? | 08:55 |
| Macer | on mine it just worked | 08:56 |
| johnx | yeah between two macbooks it was flakey as hell | 08:56 |
| Macer | :) | 08:56 |
| Macer | flawless really | 08:56 |
| Macer | good spped.. no disconnects... the mb + osx + g1 + adhoc = good | 08:56 |
| Macer | speed... wtf | 08:56 |
| Macer | i think i am having brain issues | 08:57 |
| Macer | i keep making awkward mistakes like that | 08:57 |
| Macer | ah well.. bbl | 08:57 |
| johnx | heh. I read it as speed when I saw it, then had to re-read when you corrected yourself | 08:58 |
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| thux | johnx: is it evening in your time zone now? | 09:12 |
| johnx | yup | 09:12 |
| johnx | but close to morning | 09:12 |
| thux | that late | 09:13 |
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| RST38h | back | 10:32 |
| johnx | beat anyone with the management stick yet? | 10:33 |
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| RST38h | johnx: not yet, but having an upper level bug review meeting in 20 minutes | 10:36 |
| johnx | fun fun | 10:37 |
| johnx | a *working* ARM chroot on an x86 machine still makes me grin like an idiot everytime I use it | 10:39 |
| Stskeeps | hehe | 10:44 |
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| RST38h | johnx: it is fragile like hell though | 10:48 |
| johnx | RST38h, which qemu are you using? | 10:49 |
| RST38h | johnx: any qemu I ever used was fragile | 10:49 |
| * RST38h especially liked qemu borking every time he tried opening a file requester | 10:50 | |
| johnx | it's been working pretty well with obs/mer | 10:50 |
| RST38h | kinda useless with Maemo =( | 10:50 |
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| johnx | 'fraid so | 10:51 |
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| X-Fade | Morning | 10:51 |
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| oespirit | hello florian | 12:02 |
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| lbt | X-Fade: ping... | 12:24 |
| X-Fade | lbt: pong | 12:24 |
| lbt | hi... just wanted to chat about Mer hardware and garage autobuilder processes | 12:25 |
| lbt | should they be maemo.org tasks BTW? | 12:25 |
| lbt | oh and I meanr virtual hardware really :) | 12:26 |
| X-Fade | lbt: I talked to tekojo about it. | 12:26 |
| X-Fade | lbt: He agreed on the need etc, but had to see about budgets etc :) | 12:27 |
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| lbt | sounds reasonable :) | 12:27 |
| lbt | what I'd like to do is get a task together to spec things out | 12:28 |
| lbt | provide a phase-able set of requirements from nothing to 4000 CPU build farm | 12:28 |
| lbt | OK, maybe less ;) | 12:28 |
| lbt | but so we can present a list with incremental benefits | 12:28 |
| lbt | and then match budget and priorities | 12:29 |
| X-Fade | Well, a task proposal in the wiki would help. | 12:29 |
| X-Fade | We can then pick that up as part of the sprints. | 12:29 |
| lbt | exactly.... I'm not sure how to go about this stuff | 12:29 |
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| lbt | so... shall I sketch something up and then we can flesh it out? | 12:29 |
| X-Fade | Although when talking about budgetting, planning is a bit harder ;) | 12:29 |
| X-Fade | lbt: Sure, that would be great. | 12:30 |
| lbt | ideally I'd like to get a minimal vm.... | 12:30 |
| lbt | no real cpu or functionality | 12:30 |
| lbt | but somewhere we could use as a staging server | 12:30 |
| lbt | more about a few Gb of disk and shell access than eg building | 12:31 |
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| lbt | I'm not expecting that to actually cost anything | 12:31 |
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| Stskeeps | there's no free lunch | 12:32 |
| Stskeeps | :P | 12:32 |
| lbt | insects | 12:33 |
| lbt | or fish ;) | 12:33 |
| lbt | and there's plenty of those in the sea | 12:33 |
| X-Fade | lbt: Well, each vm needs to managed, monitored, backup etc.. So there is a certain cost related to that ;) | 12:33 |
| X-Fade | lbt: But I'm sure it will be arranged. | 12:34 |
| lbt | true. I was trying to find something that has relatively small incremental cost and offers benefits | 12:34 |
| Stskeeps | either way a simple spec of our intended usage wouldn't be bad | 12:35 |
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| lbt | I'm on the wiki already... | 12:35 |
| Stskeeps | hopefully i'll get qemu arm stuff working later this week | 12:36 |
| Stskeeps | so we don't have to use qemu-system-arm for building images | 12:36 |
| lbt | I have some real work to do too | 12:36 |
| lbt | but I will chase dl9pf to help him with the native-cross | 12:37 |
| Stskeeps | *nod* | 12:37 |
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| qwerty12_N810 | timeless: http://trac.tspre.org/qwerty12/el-weedio | 12:46 |
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| timelyN81 | Um | 12:47 |
| qwerty12_N810 | I happen to name folders with the first thing I can think of. | 12:48 |
| timelyN81 | Qwerty, did you see my complaints about debian package Description: lines? | 12:48 |
| qwerty12_N810 | But, anyway, your locale switcher with CPA is to be found there. | 12:49 |
| qwerty12_N810 | Yep, taken it into account. | 12:49 |
| timelyN81 | They shouldn't end with punctuation | 12:49 |
| timelyN81 | :-) | 12:49 |
| timelyN81 | Cool | 12:49 |
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| lardman | morning | 12:52 |
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| woglinde | hi lardman | 12:52 |
| woglinde | how is powervr stuff going? | 12:52 |
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| lardman | woglinde: I've been away on honeymoon, so no further than before I went ;) | 12:55 |
| lardman | I've decoded something like 15 of the ~250 odd functions in the kernel module, but was holding off doing any more as I understand Ti/ImgTech are looking at releasing something official | 12:56 |
| Stskeeps | wazd: regarding jornada idea - htc http://www.engadget.com/2006/12/21/htc-athena-x7500-a-umtshsdpa-quad-band-UMPC/ | 12:57 |
| Jaffa | qgil has a COULD task in this sprint for having a plan with regards to the drivers | 12:57 |
| Stskeeps | they are working on it actively afaik | 12:57 |
| Stskeeps | we discussed it in cph | 12:57 |
| lardman | Jaffa: do you have a link to the wiki page please? | 12:57 |
| woglinde | lardman uh really? | 12:57 |
| Jaffa | lardman: 9.06-14 on http://wiki.maemo.org/Maemo.org_Sprints/June_09#Tasks | 12:57 |
| lardman | thanks | 12:57 |
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| lardman | X-Fade: anyone worked out where my karma has leaked away to ? ;) | 12:59 |
| lardman | woglinde: uh bad or uh good? | 12:59 |
| woglinde | lardman I wouldnt believe that they are releasing source code | 13:00 |
| Stskeeps | lardman: your karma was divided with your wife at the time of marriage ;) | 13:00 |
| lardman | reversing it will be a pita, the kernel module is pretty basic, the functionality resides on the user side in a lib | 13:00 |
| lardman | woglinde: not source afaiu, but something binary-blob like I guess | 13:00 |
| woglinde | aeh | 13:00 |
| lardman | Stskeeps: well I'd have even less now then | 13:00 |
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| woglinde | they already did for omap3 | 13:00 |
| woglinde | *scratches head* | 13:01 |
| Stskeeps | lardman: idea is open source kernel and closed library, AFAIK | 13:01 |
| lardman | fair enough | 13:01 |
| * lcuk waves | 13:01 | |
| lardman | sounds fine, as long as it works :) | 13:02 |
| lardman | hi lcuk | 13:02 |
| woglinde | hi lcuk | 13:02 |
| lcuk | hi guys | 13:02 |
| lcuk | lardman, holly has half your karma now, remember oyu share everything | 13:02 |
| lardman | lol | 13:02 |
| lardman | I have 68 discussion karma, but have sent a few more emails than that | 13:03 |
| lardman | and she's not having my n810! | 13:03 |
| lardman | not even half! | 13:03 |
| lcuk | yeah but some were drunken rants complaining about lack of wine :P | 13:03 |
| lardman | true ;) | 13:03 |
| lcuk | heh, which half of n810 would you give her | 13:03 |
| lcuk | keyboard or screen | 13:03 |
| lardman | nah, left-hand side, the d-pad | 13:04 |
| lcuk | :D or she can have the gps | 13:04 |
| woglinde | hm wine on the n810? | 13:04 |
| glass | woglinde: remote desktop is more likely to be succesful route | 13:05 |
| lcuk | wine is not an emulator, so unless windows works for arm its not practical | 13:05 |
| lcuk | mmm pocket pc version.. | 13:05 |
| timelyN81 | If you can find an arm win32 binary... | 13:06 |
| timelyN81 | Windows did support arm | 13:06 |
| lcuk | i have n alpha testing package for the liqbase-playground that needs testing for blowinguppiness. | 13:06 |
| timelyN81 | The issue isn't windows, it's the lack of applications | 13:06 |
| lcuk | if someone could install these and tell me if its ok i would be most appreciative :$ | 13:07 |
| lcuk | http://liqbase.net/up2/libliqbase1_0.3.11_armel.deb | 13:07 |
| lcuk | http://liqbase.net/up2/liqbase-playground_0.3.11_armel.deb | 13:07 |
| * lardman heads for a caffeine fix | 13:07 | |
| * lcuk does too | 13:07 | |
| * lbt orders coffee from wife | 13:07 | |
| lcuk | the arm win bionary wouldnt help | 13:07 |
| lcuk | timelyN81, it has no . either, but i didnt change the other stuff yet | 13:08 |
| woglinde | glas??? i already ported nx and qtnx so what? | 13:08 |
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| glass | woglinde: well then you're a smart cookie | 13:14 |
| woglinde | glass its uploaded in the devel-extra | 13:15 |
| jukey | lcuk: installation still works fine | 13:16 |
| wazd | http://s46.radikal.ru/i113/0906/18/843d0f1483c5.jpg <- more consistent ui | 13:16 |
| wazd | oh, wrong chanel :) whatever :) | 13:18 |
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| lcuk | jukey still? have you installed these before lol | 13:21 |
| jukey | not these :p | 13:22 |
| lcuk | :D well you have now, does it have an icon and can it be run from it | 13:23 |
| jukey | lcuk: yes and yes | 13:23 |
| lcuk | excellent! | 13:23 |
| jukey | and i can see the calendar and stuf around it and edit entries and so on :D | 13:24 |
| lcuk | does it appear fast and smooth (it should if everything is working right) | 13:24 |
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| lcuk | niiiiiiiiiiiice, right, ill push those to -devel. thanks for reporting, people need this to get the next step done | 13:24 |
| lcuk | i wonder if it will work in fremantle as well | 13:25 |
| * lcuk ponders | 13:25 | |
| jukey | lcuk: it's very fast imho. | 13:27 |
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| lcuk | hopefully now the speed and feeling is retained as i add the required functionality in :) | 13:27 |
| lcuk | and i manage to find and cure all the outstanding stability issues | 13:28 |
| lcuk | hmmmmm extras autobuilder has a limitation. | 13:33 |
| lcuk | i cannot upload both packages together because they are inter related | 13:33 |
| lcuk | the libary and the playground | 13:33 |
| lcuk | if i do them together, and the library passes, when the playground is built it fails because the library it can find isnt yet the latest one! | 13:33 |
| lcuk | and hence wont have all functionality | 13:34 |
| lcuk | i wonder if autobuilder could be made to look in its completed queue, so i can upload both halves at once | 13:34 |
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| lcuk | i know webservers run things like php and stuff, but if i wanted to make use of functionality from libliqbase on a webapp (server side - converting sketches to pngs) would i need a dedicated custom server to do it | 13:41 |
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| lardman | ~curse my Nokia 6300 for having really crap firmware | 13:48 |
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| lardman | hmm, infobot has stopped responding to tildes? | 13:50 |
| lardman | ~itt | 13:50 |
| infobot | well, itt is the forums on internettablettalk.com ( http://internettablettalk.com/forums ) | 13:50 |
| lardman | oh no, just some things then | 13:51 |
| Macer | capote is kind of strange | 13:53 |
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| VDVsx | infobot lost some of the magic :( | 13:57 |
| lcuk | ~lart lardman | 13:58 |
| * infobot executes killall -HUP lardman | 13:58 | |
| lcuk | ~lart ~curse | 13:58 |
| * infobot slaps ~curse upside and over the head with one freakishly huge killer whale named hugh | 13:58 | |
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| Macer | lol! | 14:21 |
| Macer | what the hell | 14:21 |
| Macer | people are talking to harper lee about her book and they dont know the name of it | 14:22 |
| Macer | hahaha | 14:22 |
| Macer | "something about a bird...?" | 14:23 |
| Macer | amazing | 14:23 |
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| * RST38h does not even know who harper lee is | 14:23 | |
| Macer | haha | 14:24 |
| RST38h | is it a bird? =) | 14:24 |
| Macer | to kill a mockingbird | 14:24 |
| Macer | you've never heard of it? :) | 14:24 |
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| lcuk | Macer, i have, but i couldn't have told you who the author was | 14:29 |
| * xnt14[server] wakes up | 14:30 | |
| xnt14[server] | morning all : | 14:30 |
| xnt14[server] | *-: | 14:30 |
| xnt14[server] | crap, my spelling correction bot isn't working :P | 14:30 |
| * xnt14[server] boots up his xps | 14:30 | |
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| xnt14 | :) | 14:31 |
| RST38h | Macer: ah, I have heard the name of the book of course but know knothign of the author | 14:32 |
| * xnt14[server] is bored.....already | 14:33 | |
| xnt14 | oops wrong keyboard :P | 14:33 |
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| lardman | hmm, Garage is pretty slow, or is it just me? | 14:38 |
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| RST38h | it's slow | 14:39 |
| X-Fade | Only a load of 6. ;) | 14:39 |
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| lcuk | ummm the autobuilder isnt on the same server as garage is it :$ | 14:44 |
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| X-Fade | lcuk: No | 14:45 |
| lcuk | phew good, thought i had broked it | 14:45 |
| X-Fade | lcuk: although the assistant is. | 14:45 |
| lcuk | i just pushed the playground through | 14:45 |
| lcuk | mmmm | 14:45 |
| X-Fade | lcuk: No, that is quite a normal load unfortunately. | 14:45 |
| lcuk | heh | 14:45 |
| xnt14 | ~seen penguinbait | 14:46 |
| infobot | penguinbait <i=penguinb@173-10-44-233-Michigan.hfc.comcastbusiness.net> was last seen on IRC in channel #maemo, 2d 16h 45m 7s ago, saying: 'hola'. | 14:46 |
| xnt14 | 2 days? :P | 14:46 |
| lcuk | yeah he got eaten not long after that | 14:46 |
| xnt14 | xD | 14:47 |
| lcuk | very messy, needed to mop up the chan and everythinhg | 14:47 |
| xnt14 | w/e | 14:47 |
| xnt14 | is this outdated: http://tablethacker.com/wp/?p=151&lang=en-us | 14:47 |
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| lardman | VDVsx: I had a quick go with the code last night but was missing some of the Python libs, are these available as I couldn't find them (perhaps I had the wrong names)? | 14:47 |
| xnt14 | http://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?t=19639 what does he mean by 43-7? | 14:49 |
| * xnt14 wants his clone to sd system :P | 14:49 | |
| lardman | sounds like a FIASCO image release number | 14:49 |
| xnt14 | ok, ill look at my image I flashed with | 14:50 |
| xnt14 | damn, its 43-7 :( | 14:50 |
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| xnt14 | guys is this outdated? http://wiki.maemo.org/Booting_from_a_flash_card | 14:51 |
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| xnt14 | what should the partition be? ext2? | 14:52 |
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| xnt14 | the cloned partition | 14:52 |
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| xnt14 | why is it that irc is always a dead whenever I need confirmation of something :P | 14:58 |
| RST38h | LHC takes lead over N900! | 14:58 |
| RST38h | Go, LHC, go! | 14:58 |
| lardman | xnt14: partition on the card should be ext2/3 | 15:00 |
| xnt14 | lardman, thanks :) | 15:01 |
| lardman | np | 15:01 |
| xnt14 | :) | 15:01 |
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| RST38h | X-Fade: May I file a bug report about the tmaemo.org Download icon? | 15:11 |
| VDVsx | lardman, which ones ? | 15:12 |
| X-Fade | RST38h: Sure, I can always close it with WONTFIX :) | 15:12 |
| X-Fade | RST38h: But tell me, what about it? | 15:12 |
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| RST38h | X-Fade: Looks like penis. | 15:13 |
| X-Fade | RST38h: If you are Shrek,.. | 15:13 |
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| RST38h | X-Fade: even scarier, after you mention it... | 15:13 |
| RST38h | X-Fade: I.e. either return the old icon or deuglify the new one | 15:14 |
| lcuk | which icon rst | 15:14 |
| X-Fade | RST38h: But I think it is a little far fetched.. | 15:14 |
| X-Fade | lcuk: http://static.maemo.org/style_maemo2009/img/icons/application_install.png | 15:14 |
| X-Fade | I guess that one. | 15:15 |
| Macer | grrrr | 15:15 |
| RST38h | X-Fade: Well, I am not going to use exactly the same wording in the tracker :) | 15:16 |
| RST38h | X-Fade: But it is ugly, unfortunately. | 15:16 |
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| X-Fade | RST38h: Better icons, attached to the bug are always appreciated ;) | 15:17 |
| lcuk | RST38h, if your penis is sharpened like that you have bigger problems. | 15:18 |
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| mikkov_ | X-Fade: have you done some auto updating at downloads? | 15:21 |
| X-Fade | mikkov_: Yes. | 15:22 |
| mikkov_ | X-Fade: version numbers are wrong for bunch of apps | 15:22 |
| X-Fade | mikkov_: Can you point to one? | 15:22 |
| mikkov_ | http://maemo.org/downloads/product/OS2008/vor/ | 15:22 |
| mikkov_ | version number is from fremantle-extras | 15:22 |
| X-Fade | Hmm that is weird. | 15:23 |
| X-Fade | As we don't check for fremantle atm. | 15:23 |
| mikkov_ | hmm, actually vor has correct version | 15:23 |
| mikkov_ | X-Fade: OK, they were wrong before after the first auto update, but the second update has changed them back | 15:25 |
| RST38h | lcuk: You mean, the color is right? =) | 15:25 |
| RST38h | X-Fade: ok | 15:25 |
| X-Fade | mikkov_: Ah, so it was wrong when it was added? | 15:25 |
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| mikkov_ | X-Fade: no, all of the apps which have " | 15:26 |
| mikkov_ | "updated 2009-06-20 12:45 UTC" are in fremantle-extras | 15:26 |
| X-Fade | mikkov_: Ah, I know what happened. | 15:27 |
| X-Fade | mikkov_: The Packages file in the repository was corrupted then. | 15:27 |
| lcuk | there is no fremantle extras is there | 15:27 |
| lcuk | i thought there was only extras-devel | 15:27 |
| X-Fade | lcuk: correct. | 15:27 |
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| mikkov_ | yeah, I meant extras-devel | 15:28 |
| lcuk | does downloads take versions from -devel stuff as well :o | 15:28 |
| lcuk | ie download counts etc | 15:28 |
| X-Fade | lcuk: No, only extras. | 15:28 |
| lcuk | phew! | 15:28 |
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| mikkov_ | anyway there was something weird going on (or mayve I was dreaming :) | 15:29 |
| X-Fade | mikkov_: Yeah, the repository had some corruption issue in the index. | 15:30 |
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| dneary | hi | 15:30 |
| X-Fade | mikkov_: And the Downloads script runs against that index. | 15:30 |
| xnt14 | ok g2g for now spanish exams | 15:30 |
| Macer | alrighty | 15:31 |
| Macer | just have to get my folding@home vbox going :) | 15:31 |
| Macer | and i'm off to the races | 15:31 |
| Macer | heh | 15:31 |
| jukey | most of the maemo.org news are postet at least 2 times atm... | 15:31 |
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| RST38h | X-Fade: https://bugs.maemo.org/show_bug.cgi?id=4723 | 15:35 |
| RST38h | X-Fade: We can also ask wazd to make a decent item | 15:35 |
| Macer | my beast of a server is running nicer with stock opensolaris on it | 15:35 |
| Macer | i should try to find new cpus for it but i'm sure that would be impossible or expensive by now | 15:35 |
| * Stskeeps is using opensolaris stock now too, in a vmdk | 15:36 | |
| Stskeeps | er, in virtualbox | 15:36 |
| Stskeeps | and then my media center in linux | 15:36 |
| Stskeeps | (xen would probably be saner..) | 15:36 |
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| timeless_mbp | Stskeeps: have you gotten usb devices to work? | 15:39 |
| timeless_mbp | i'm trying to share some usb things to my vm's and it's not working | 15:39 |
| Stskeeps | timeless_mbp: not yet | 15:40 |
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| Macer | damn | 15:47 |
| Macer | opteron 854s cost $500 | 15:47 |
| Macer | single core 2.8GHz for that much :) | 15:47 |
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| timeless_mbp | Stskeeps: so. it seems i need to create a usb filter if i want windows to have access to usb things | 15:48 |
| timeless_mbp | but now windows is trying to install things! | 15:48 |
| Macer | they must be seriously fast to justify that much money | 15:48 |
| Macer | a 290 costs $179 and has 2 cores . i don't understand | 15:49 |
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| Macer | i'm tempted to buy a couple of these to replace my 1.8GHz 265s | 15:50 |
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| RST38h | Macer: Different cache size? | 15:57 |
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| Macer | RST38h: dunno. stopped looking ;) | 16:06 |
| Macer | i really don't need new ones if they don't have amd-v | 16:06 |
| Macer | i will just have to build another server with a phenom or something i suppose... that can wait until i'm done building my rackmount stuff | 16:07 |
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| Macer | right now i'm testing out this folding@home shit in a vbox | 16:07 |
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| Macer | emory: 8191M phys mem, 309M free mem, 4095M total swap, 4095M free swap | 16:12 |
| Macer | wow.. that seems kind of like.. high usage | 16:12 |
| Macer | i gave 3G to vbox.. wonder where the rest went | 16:12 |
| X-Fade | Macer: No it doesn't. | 16:13 |
| X-Fade | That is just filesystem cache. | 16:13 |
| X-Fade | Which isn't counted in free. | 16:13 |
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| andre__ | heja GAN800, does 1805 depend on 3845 or do you think that 1805 is just obsolete nowadays? | 16:13 |
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| Macer | in opensolaris? :) | 16:14 |
| Macer | i thought that was a linux thing | 16:15 |
| Stskeeps | probably caching a lot yeah | 16:16 |
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| GAN800 | andre__, wut?? | 16:18 |
| andre__ | GAN800, yay! :-) | 16:18 |
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| GAN800 | andre__, depends, I think. | 16:20 |
| GAN800 | Though probably better if they just link to the appropriate wiki page. | 16:21 |
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| kjakdj | !list | 16:59 |
| lcuk | RST38h, hows your calc engine coming on, or is that done for now | 16:59 |
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| Stskeeps | *** HOT MAEMO PORN (34242322b) | 16:59 |
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| johnsq | Hi | 16:59 |
| * lcuk would love to actually use the engine itself | 16:59 | |
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| kjakdj | hii | 16:59 |
| lcuk | :O Stskeeps | 16:59 |
| kjakdj | im just joining... | 16:59 |
| kjakdj | hehe | 16:59 |
| lcuk | why isnt that in my cache lol | 17:00 |
| johnsq | Stskeeps: where? :) | 17:00 |
| Stskeeps | (!list) | 17:00 |
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| lardman | hmm, /me sees he'll be in Berlin for the days before the summit | 17:23 |
| woglinde | who? | 17:23 |
| lardman | me | 17:24 |
| Macer | ok. opensolaris ftw | 17:24 |
| woglinde | ah | 17:24 |
| woglinde | when? | 17:24 |
| Macer | although the integrated cifs kind of sucks :) | 17:24 |
| GAN800 | lardman, I'm going to have to come kick your ass if you don't make it. :P | 17:24 |
| lardman | GAN800: you going to be there? | 17:24 |
| lardman | I should be fine, as ever another conference, but this time they don't overlap, one finishes the day before the other starts | 17:25 |
| X-Fade | lardman: We're going to kick GAN800's ass if he doesn't come ;) | 17:25 |
| lardman | X-Fade: +10 | 17:25 |
| lardman | I'm sure my wife will be happy, nearly a whole week abroad | 17:25 |
| lardman | and I mean happy as I guess she'll come along for the trips :) | 17:26 |
| lardman | I'm amazed how much Psion Workabouts still cost | 17:27 |
| lardman | as a random aside | 17:29 |
| GAN800 | Planning on it. | 17:29 |
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| lardman | glad to hear it :) | 17:29 |
| lardman | we'll have to sort out some chaps in red dresses with lances and weird helmets to greet you off the plane | 17:30 |
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| GAN800 | 22 hours of flying. Those planes better have WiFi. | 17:32 |
| X-Fade | GAN800: Uhm? You are taking the wrong way around the world ;) | 17:33 |
| X-Fade | Go east ;) | 17:33 |
| X-Fade | Should not be more than 9 orso? | 17:33 |
| lardman | http://www.shadowdalecreations.com/imperial_guard_4.png | 17:34 |
| GAN800 | X-Fade, that's what it was when I checked last year | 17:35 |
| X-Fade | GAN800: According to wolfram at least :D | 17:35 |
| GAN800 | 2 connections | 17:35 |
| lardman | you should be able to fly klm direct I would have thought | 17:36 |
| X-Fade | GAN800: What airport would you fly from? | 17:36 |
| VDVsx | lardman, any low coast in uk that fly to amsterdam ? | 17:37 |
| lardman | VDVsx: from which airport? I guess Easyjet flies there | 17:38 |
| lardman | http://www.cheapflights.com/flights-to-amsterdam/miami/ | 17:38 |
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| lardman | Ryanair doesn't fly to Amsterdam, which is good as Ryanair are crap | 17:39 |
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| VDVsx | lol | 17:40 |
| lardman | easyjet flies from Bristol to Amsterdam, but as I'm going to have to fly to Berlin first I'm not sure what I'll do | 17:40 |
| VDVsx | lardman, I don't have major complains about ryanair | 17:40 |
| lardman | oh well :) | 17:40 |
| VDVsx | I have transavia here, a dutch low coast | 17:41 |
| X-Fade | VDVsx: Goes to Rotterdam only? | 17:41 |
| VDVsx | X-Fade, nop | 17:41 |
| VDVsx | Schipoll | 17:42 |
| VDVsx | I flew to Amsterdam in Feb with transavia | 17:43 |
| * aquatix generally takes the train | 17:44 | |
| aquatix | it's about 25 minutes | 17:44 |
| aquatix | O:) | 17:44 |
| VDVsx | lol | 17:44 |
| woglinde | *g* | 17:44 |
| X-Fade | aquatix: I usually take the train too. Takes about 2 hours ;) | 17:45 |
| * lardman wonders how long the train would take from Bath | 17:45 | |
| lardman | probably as long from Bath to London as it would take on the other side | 17:45 |
| X-Fade | lardman: It can be done, I'm sure. But flying to Australia takes less time :) | 17:46 |
| lardman | lol | 17:46 |
| VDVsx | lol | 17:46 |
| aquatix | X-Fade: yeah, that's what you get from living in the middle of nowhere ;) | 17:47 |
| X-Fade | aquatix: true | 17:47 |
| VDVsx | Amsterdam -> brussels 2.3h, the brussels airport is also a option | 17:47 |
| X-Fade | VDVsx: Ugh. | 17:47 |
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| VDVsx | about 25 € the ticket (young discount :P) | 17:48 |
| X-Fade | VDVsx: It takes about 1 hour to fly from UK to Amsterdam. your route sounds inefficient. | 17:48 |
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| VDVsx | yah | 17:48 |
| VDVsx | X-Fade, but for people from outside Europe, can be cheaper fly to Brussels | 17:49 |
| X-Fade | VDVsx: Sure. | 17:50 |
| X-Fade | Although that is a pain with bag etc. | 17:50 |
| VDVsx | :P | 17:50 |
| lardman | well the Emperor should have his retainers with him so not a problem for him ;) | 17:51 |
| lardman | hey GAN800 | 17:51 |
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| X-Fade | lardman: I wonder if he has highlighting for the words: His Lordship and Imperial Highness Emperor Field Marshal Antilles | 17:53 |
| coldboot | I'm trying to build Maemo's Qt subversion revision 456, and I'm getting "lrelease-qt4: Command not found", anyone know why it's not building lrelease? | 17:53 |
| lardman | X-Fade: I doubt he needs highlighting, just feels a disturbance in the Force when we take the mick (I can feel my throat tightening even now ;) | 17:54 |
| X-Fade | Heh | 17:55 |
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| VDVsx | wooow, a round trip to Amsterdam for 1200 € in second class :P, they should serve caviar or something like that, ehehe | 17:57 |
| X-Fade | VDVsx: For that amount your can really fly to australia easily ;) | 17:57 |
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| VDVsx | I think so, let me check, lol | 17:58 |
| lardman | X-Fade: it's not too late, move the summit! :) | 17:58 |
| X-Fade | Hi His Lordship and Imperial Highness Emperor Field Marshal Antilles | 17:58 |
| GAN8001 | Piece of shir phone | 17:59 |
| GAN8001 | s/shir/shit | 17:59 |
| VDVsx | X-Fade, with more 72 € I can fly to Sydney :) | 18:00 |
| GAN8001 | X-Fade, TPA | 18:00 |
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| X-Fade | VDVsx: I can do it for under 900 ;) | 18:00 |
| GAN800 | X-Fade, that's Jaffa now, by the way. ;) | 18:01 |
| lardman | GAN800: we know he's just your puppet ;) | 18:01 |
| VDVsx | X-Fade, 29 hours,ouch | 18:01 |
| lardman | got to run, bbl | 18:02 |
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| wazd | GAN800: http://i061.radikal.ru/0906/7e/0c73f7b671b7.jpg <- Mer connection manager concept | 18:08 |
| wazd | GAN800: Sts told me you'll ruin this :) | 18:09 |
| Jaffa | GAN800 has told me to point out that I'm *no-one's* puppet. | 18:11 |
| Stskeeps | hehe | 18:11 |
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| coldboot | Has anyone successfully built Maemo qt4? | 18:12 |
| woglinde | coldboot I used the source deb | 18:14 |
| woglinde | and they build | 18:14 |
| woglinde | but better ask on the maemo qt mailinglist | 18:14 |
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| woglinde | aloiso normaly anwsers really fasrt | 18:15 |
| coldboot | woglinde: What package did you apt-get source? | 18:18 |
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| coldboot | libqt4-dev? | 18:18 |
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| coldboot | woglinde: What did you install to get md5sum? | 18:20 |
| coldboot | There are a lot of essential packages missing from Maemo, and a lot of things missing from packages that are in Maemo. | 18:20 |
| woglinde | coldboot I normaly ignored that | 18:20 |
| coldboot | How do you ignore it when you run apt-get source? | 18:21 |
| coldboot | ah, it downloaded anyway | 18:21 |
| woglinde | *g* | 18:21 |
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| Macer | ok. all done (sort of) | 18:24 |
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| Macer | hopefully i can keep this thing going for a few years without touching it again | 18:24 |
| Macer | although i already see myself doing it in a few months :) | 18:24 |
| Macer | i still need a passive video card for it. i don't understand why this old pci s3 i have in a drawer won't work in it | 18:24 |
| coldboot | woglinde: dpkg-buildpackage can't even patch properly. | 18:24 |
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| woglinde | coldboot aeh? | 18:25 |
| coldboot | woglinde: Patch failing when running dpkg-buildpackage -b: http://pastie.org/520296 | 18:26 |
| woglinde | hm try | 18:27 |
| woglinde | fakeroot dpkg-buildpackage | 18:27 |
| coldboot | Getting fakeroot to work in sb2 was close to impossible. | 18:27 |
| coldboot | I'm logged in as root instead. | 18:27 |
| woglinde | ah sb2 | 18:28 |
| woglinde | okay | 18:28 |
| woglinde | hm | 18:28 |
| woglinde | never tried to build it in sb2 | 18:28 |
| woglinde | but the erorr has nothing to do with it | 18:28 |
| coldboot | I don't see why it would make a difference in this case, but maybe it is. | 18:28 |
| coldboot | Yeah. | 18:28 |
| woglinde | are you trying to build for mer? | 18:28 |
| coldboot | woglinde: Nope | 18:28 |
| woglinde | hm | 18:29 |
| woglinde | strange | 18:29 |
| coldboot | Just trying to build qt4 so I can fix a bug in it. | 18:29 |
| woglinde | dont know why the patch is missing | 18:29 |
| woglinde | but as I said write this to the qt-maemo mailinglist | 18:29 |
| coldboot | k | 18:29 |
| woglinde | and antonio will answer | 18:29 |
| coldboot | Heh, I'm already talking to him about this stuff. | 18:29 |
| coldboot | Do you know where he is in the world? | 18:29 |
| woglinde | nope | 18:30 |
| woglinde | but you maybee find out when searching in the kde project | 18:30 |
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| coldboot | woglinde: Got it, if you don't have md5sum it doesn't apply patches properly before you run dpkg-buildpackage. | 18:32 |
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| coldboot | Someone should fix coreutils so it's got md5sum and all of the other missing stuff in it. | 18:32 |
| coldboot | In sb2. | 18:32 |
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| woglinde | coldbott uh good to know | 18:34 |
| coldboot | Is scratchbox just a platform for building arm stuff that's not coupled with Maemo? | 18:35 |
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| slonopotamus | argh! i'm tired of bitmaps calculations :) | 18:37 |
| woglinde | coldboot nope | 18:38 |
| slonopotamus | stskeeps, i added all letters from a to z :) | 18:38 |
| woglinde | crosscompilig enviroment too | 18:38 |
| slonopotamus | stskeeps, ~1h | 18:38 |
| slonopotamus | need to automate it... | 18:39 |
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| coldboot | woglinde: But is it associated with the Maemo project? | 18:42 |
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| GAN800 | wazd, is this the connection manager or what you see when you tap the applet? | 18:49 |
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| wazd | GAN800: connection manager | 18:49 |
| GAN800 | The actions column doesn't justify filling half the screen. | 18:49 |
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| wazd | GAN800: that was a bad idea, remaking it roght now :) | 18:51 |
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| wazd | http://s46.radikal.ru/i113/0906/18/843d0f1483c5.jpg | 18:52 |
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| GAN800 | wazd, icons don't fit. | 18:56 |
| GAN800 | Signal strength is a little candy-esque | 18:56 |
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| GAN800 | I'd leave audio stuff for the audio applet, too. | 18:57 |
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| infobot | I herald you, my supreme master! Lead us into the light of your wisdom and power | 19:01 |
| woglinde | coldboot hm yes maemo seems the only real user of sb | 19:01 |
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| GAN800 | Does Mauku support Quaiku? | 19:04 |
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| slonopotamus | o_O | 19:05 |
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| slonopotamus | speak english, please :D | 19:05 |
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| qwerty12_N810 | GAN800: the fremantle one will have support | 19:06 |
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| GAN800 | bergie, where's my screenshot? | 19:08 |
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| GAN800 | qwerty12, but I want it now. | 19:08 |
| lardman | what's this? | 19:08 |
| bergie | GAN800: screenshot? | 19:08 |
| RichiH | GAN800: i made you a screenshot, but i eated it :( | 19:08 |
| qwerty12_N810 | GAN800: the developer is putting fremantle first :( | 19:08 |
| Robot101 | bergie: hey | 19:09 |
| Robot101 | bergie: aren't you worried this social desktop stuff should be using XMPP for real-time stuff? | 19:09 |
| bergie | GAN800: regarding Mauku's Qaiku support... I've understood it is coming | 19:09 |
| GAN800 | bergie, of the Midgard toolbar. | 19:10 |
| bergie | Robot101: XMPP would make a lot of sense, yes | 19:10 |
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| bergie | Robot101: I've spent most of today hacking on a XMPP bot anyway ;-) | 19:10 |
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| bergie | GAN800: ah, sorry... forgot completely about that. It seems the menu option is not there in latest Midgard LTS, but I'll try to dig the archives for it | 19:11 |
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| Robot101 | bergie: also there's a load of new XML descriptions for stuff there /must/ be existing schemas for like contacts etc, and features already in XMPP for at least some of the things | 19:11 |
| Ave | my "dead n810" turned out to be just a dead battery, I found nice(?) replica batteries for 10 euros | 19:11 |
| Robot101 | bergie: then some pubsub could probably cover the rest | 19:11 |
| Ave | real nokia one would've costed 60-70 euros, argh | 19:11 |
| Stskeeps | Ave: congrats:) | 19:11 |
| Ave | I got two, one year warranty and all | 19:12 |
| Ave | so yaay | 19:12 |
| bergie | Robot101: fully agreed... the issue mostly is that many developers understand REST, but few understand XMPP | 19:12 |
| Robot101 | bergie: I'm not convinced the developers who understand REST are dying to implement desktop social networking apps | 19:12 |
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| Robot101 | bergie: I'm happy to concede the people who /are/ implementing social networking apps on the web are of course more familiar with REST, but that doesn't follow that it's the best way to bring it onto the desktop | 19:13 |
| woglinde | bye | 19:13 |
| Robot101 | my NIH-o-meter went off the scale reading this stuff :( | 19:13 |
| bergie | Robot101: yep. As I've written a couple of times, I think Telepathy Tubes would be the right place to start with this stuff | 19:14 |
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| xnt14 | ok im back from my exam :P, going to play my ps3 | 19:14 |
| bergie | see for instance http://bergie.iki.fi/blog/free_desktop_and_the_cloud/ | 19:14 |
| lcuk | we should just integrate IRC directly in ythe palm of your hand - always on command line auto updating and automatic text to speech so your irc pals can contact you from the depths of your pocket | 19:14 |
| Robot101 | yes and no, if there's some lower-level XMPP stuff we'll expose it in Telepathy, it doesn't need to be tubes espscially, that's mostly focused at interactive apps rather than pushing events / notifications out to people | 19:14 |
| Robot101 | we're considering adding some plugin hooks in Telepathy's XMPP backend so its easier to expose new XMPP protocol features for 3rd parties | 19:15 |
| lcuk | socket programming and servers are still king | 19:15 |
| Robot101 | we have some Telepathy modifications which are specific for OLPC but not interesting to others | 19:15 |
| GAN800 | bergie, the floaty one is broken in half of all browsers and basically obnoxious in the rest. | 19:15 |
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| bergie | GAN800: what browser are you talking about? | 19:16 |
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| GAN800 | bergie, anything WebKit or Gecko on PPC. | 19:19 |
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| GAN800 | It also seems to break in new and interesting ways with every release. | 19:19 |
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| bergie | GAN800: found the toolbar: http://www.qaiku.com/home/bergie/show/1de5f4c1eaf525e5f4c11de9cbe456ce5477c9e7c9e/ | 19:42 |
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| GAN800 | andre__, ping? | 19:50 |
| bergie | GAN800: sorry about the delay :-) | 19:50 |
| GAN800 | bergie, hum, I was thinking more along the lines of the MediaWiki toolbar. | 19:50 |
| GAN800 | No worries | 19:50 |
| bergie | GAN800: you mean something more "in-page"? | 19:51 |
| GAN800 | Yeah | 19:53 |
| andre__ | GAN800, pongo | 19:53 |
| GAN800 | Make all of the various apps match as much as possible. | 19:53 |
| bergie | we have that too, but it'd require a bit tweaking with the maemo.org style as there isn't really a place for it right now | 19:53 |
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| GAN800 | andre__, how's tomorrow look for you for theming? I may be able to take off. | 19:53 |
| bergie | on the midgard site we have quite a lot of other stuff in the sidebar, latest news headlines and whatnot | 19:53 |
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| andre__ | GAN800, seen testzilla? | 19:54 |
| andre__ | yeah, i'm fine with that | 19:54 |
| GAN800 | Yeah, is that from my patches? | 19:55 |
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| andre__ | not really. more like one evening of basic CSS hacking here :) | 19:56 |
| andre__ | (did you hack any CSS? if so I might have missed an email) | 19:56 |
| GAN800 | Nope, but you should only need the maemo.org CSS. | 20:00 |
| andre__ | okay. because this stuff is custom. looks like i should take another look into that | 20:01 |
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| GAN800 | andre__, the only work we should need to do is in the templates. | 20:04 |
| andre__ | hmm. maybe i take a look later today. anyway, let's see tomorrow :) | 20:05 |
| GAN800 | andre__, well, see how my patches apply? | 20:07 |
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| andre__ | your email from May 25 has one patch attached | 20:08 |
| andre__ | for banner, and footer | 20:08 |
| andre__ | maybe i miss something? | 20:08 |
| GAN800 | Patch, patches. | 20:08 |
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| GAN800 | Nope, that's it. | 20:09 |
| GAN800 | I think it should get us started, though. | 20:09 |
| andre__ | okay. i remember problems when just changing the classes of the divs as in the patch | 20:09 |
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| GAN800 | I suck at working by guesswork. ;) | 20:10 |
| andre__ | heh. yeah, i can imagine it sucks. | 20:12 |
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| GAN800 | So I should be able to fix a live thing up more easily. | 20:14 |
| GAN800 | Short of installing my own instance here, pounding out templates isn't quite as straightforward as HTML. ;) | 20:14 |
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| timeless_mbp | wazd: the word 'selected' in http://i061.radikal.ru/0906/7e/0c73f7b671b7.jpg is superfluous | 20:18 |
| timeless_mbp | wazd: there should be a visible break between the bottom two "buttons" | 20:19 |
| timeless_mbp | and if you're unlikely to have more than 3 actions | 20:19 |
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| timeless_mbp | could you please consider multiple columns for connections? | 20:19 |
| timeless_mbp | because i usually have >100 connections | 20:19 |
| timeless_mbp | so being only able to see 5 at a time is painful | 20:19 |
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| timeless_mbp | note that the maemo5 ui style would have the actions be part of the "menu" | 20:20 |
| timeless_mbp | (whatever a menu is) | 20:20 |
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| wazd | timeless_mbp: thanks for the feedback. >100 connections is a really hardcore scenario :D | 20:30 |
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| timeless_mbp | wazd: it isn't | 20:31 |
| timeless_mbp | especially the way our device is going to work | 20:31 |
| timeless_mbp | our device intends to be promiscuous | 20:31 |
| timeless_mbp | all it takes is a minimal amount of travel | 20:31 |
| timeless_mbp | i have devices to prove it | 20:31 |
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| X-Fade | wazd: When in Nokia's hallways you can easily see 100 APs at the same time ;) | 20:33 |
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| wazd | I don't think that 5 or 6 items on the screen would not make any difference when you have 100 APs :) | 20:36 |
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| wazd | I think* | 20:36 |
| X-Fade | wazd: Heh, no :) | 20:36 |
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| X-Fade | Although, that is 20% less scrolling.. | 20:37 |
| timeless_mbp | wazd: the difference between 10 screens and 20 is significant | 20:37 |
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| wazd | X-Fade: but in the same time, items are 20% harder to tap :) | 20:38 |
| timeless_mbp | wazd: no | 20:39 |
| timeless_mbp | not if you use two columns where you're currently wasting one | 20:39 |
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| wazd | timeless_mbp: no, two coloumns is a good idea, I should consider it | 20:40 |
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| * GAN800 wonders if the Fremantle applet is going to be a giant adv-backlight ripoff. | 20:46 | |
| timeless_mbp | GAN800: doubtful | 20:46 |
| qwerty12_N810 | GAN800: that could only be a good thing :) | 20:46 |
| GAN800 | qwerty12, except it's closed source. | 20:46 |
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| qwerty12_N810 | Hmm, yeah, fair point | 20:46 |
| GAN800 | In which case they should've just adopted the ab codebase. | 20:47 |
| timeless_mbp | GAN800: if it's a complete ripoff, then adv-backlight is a drop in replacement :) | 20:47 |
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| timeless_mbp | wazd: also note that i'd like to have a search feature | 20:47 |
| timeless_mbp | and while you're designing such a thing, it'd be nice to be able to GeoTag and Comment networks | 20:47 |
| GAN800 | timeless_mbp, wasted time and effort that should be combined. | 20:47 |
| GAN800 | Ah! | 20:47 |
| GAN800 | That's what I was going to say earlier. | 20:48 |
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| GAN800 | With GPS and cellular positioning some sort of geolocation for WiFi would be nice. | 20:48 |
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| timeless_mbp | anything else i can poke? | 20:54 |
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| Macer | hm | 20:57 |
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| Macer | torrent is stuck at 99.99% | 20:58 |
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| GAN800 | Stskeeps, where are we going to find our GTK hackers? | 21:06 |
| timeless_mbp | i'd like to share some pictures: http://www.webwizardry.net/~timeless/map%20loader%20update.png | 21:10 |
| X-Fade | timeless_mbp: Makes sense :) | 21:12 |
| timeless_mbp | so what's it doing? | 21:12 |
| timeless_mbp | and how do i find out what maps i lost? | 21:12 |
| timeless_mbp | since afaict, it has helpfully deleted *All* of my maps | 21:12 |
| timeless_mbp | w/o letting me know what maps i had | 21:12 |
| timeless_mbp | and btw, this was a *mandatory* step | 21:12 |
| timeless_mbp | before i could see what data was on my device | 21:12 |
| timeless_mbp | oh, and also... the map app doesn't fit on my screen :) | 21:12 |
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| timeless_mbp | http://www.webwizardry.net/~timeless/map%20loader.png | 21:14 |
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| timeless_mbp | in case people are planning to design a map loader ui | 21:15 |
| timeless_mbp | please do not consider copying anything you see here | 21:15 |
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| timeless_mbp | e.g. "maps data" should be "map data" | 21:15 |
| timeless_mbp | showing 3.0 GB above -3056.6 MB is not logical | 21:15 |
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| timeless_mbp | defaulting to a window size that doesn't fit on the screen is stupid | 21:15 |
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| timeless_mbp | oh, and in case you ever consider designing something with a timeout | 21:17 |
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| timeless_mbp | never write "Expiry Date" in professional products. especially given that "Expiration Date" fits | 21:17 |
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| timeless_mbp | http://www.webwizardry.net/~timeless/map%20loader%20x%20means%20delete%20-%20right.png | 21:21 |
| timeless_mbp | btw, in case you're curious, there's no hover support for those buttons | 21:21 |
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| timeless_mbp | i.e. you can't figure out what they mean by using your mouse (unless you click on them and then examine some results elsewhere) | 21:22 |
| timeless_mbp | oh and in case people are curious, i'm just playing w/ my n81 and handing out sage UI advice, this has nothing to do with fremantle or mer | 21:23 |
| timeless_mbp | but please don't ever consider doing anything nokia did in their windows apps in anything you work on :) | 21:24 |
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| timeless_mbp | oh and ... you shouldn't write "1 hours 1 minutes ..." | 21:39 |
| timeless_mbp | or "1 drives" | 21:40 |
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| timeless_mbp | oh.... btw... | 21:48 |
| timeless_mbp | operating systems have this cool concept "multitasking" | 21:48 |
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| timeless_mbp | which means that while you're writing "california" to a phone, you could be downloading "maryland" | 21:49 |
| timeless_mbp | unless of course, you're the nokia map loader | 21:49 |
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| timeless_mbp | :( | 21:49 |
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| uzzed | ão | 21:59 |
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| tibob | hi | 22:38 |
| b-man16 | hi | 22:38 |
| xnt14 | hi | 22:38 |
| b-man16 | lol | 22:38 |
| xnt14 | lol | 22:39 |
| xnt14 | :P | 22:39 |
| b-man16 | :P | 22:39 |
| b-man16 | 8þ | 22:39 |
| tibob | I'm trying to install autoconf from maemo sdk (diablo) on my n810 buy dependencies seam to be wrong (it would deinstall a lot of essential packages). Am I doing something wrong ? | 22:39 |
| tibob | lol | 22:40 |
| timeless_mbp | tibob: you're trying to install stuff from the sdk | 22:40 |
| timeless_mbp | so, 'yes', i think that's wrong :) | 22:40 |
| xnt14 | autoconf? from the sdk? | 22:40 |
| xnt14 | nvm | 22:40 |
| xnt14 | ^^^ timeless gave you the answer :P | 22:41 |
| tibob | timeless - okay, so if the sdk repository is not aimed for the devices, do you know a repository with autoconf and so on for the device (if not, I will have to make my own one) | 22:41 |
| timeless_mbp | um, i know there are a couple of repository search tools | 22:41 |
| timeless_mbp | and i know that we need more repositories like we need holes in our heads | 22:42 |
| timeless_mbp | and my head aches | 22:42 |
| Stskeeps | timeless_mbp: autoconf from sdk will -bomb- on tablet | 22:44 |
| Stskeeps | err | 22:45 |
| Stskeeps | tibob: | 22:45 |
| Stskeeps | sorry :P | 22:45 |
| tibob | Stskeeps: yes, i saw that :-) | 22:45 |
| Stskeeps | as in, it won't run :P | 22:45 |
| timeless_mbp | Stskeeps: how do i update my mer :) | 22:45 |
| Stskeeps | timeless_mbp: which one of them? | 22:45 |
| timeless_mbp | i only keep one :) | 22:45 |
| timeless_mbp | i think i'm @0.14 | 22:45 |
| lbt | timeless_mbp: we're not that fast ;) 0.14 is latest | 22:47 |
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| timeless_mbp | lbt: well.. i want newer packages :) | 22:47 |
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| johnsq | build them! | 22:47 |
| timeless_mbp | Downloading: Norge (7/21) | 22:47 |
| tibob | timeless, Stskeeps - thank you, I will compile my own packages | 22:47 |
| lbt | shiney syndrome.... | 22:47 |
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| timeless_mbp | tibob: probably not the proper recourse, but... | 22:48 |
| lbt | timeless_mbp: we just made a :Testing if you want to burn yourself.... | 22:48 |
| tibob | timeless - I'll try to set up a repository for other geeks like who want to code directly on the tablet... | 22:49 |
| tibob | one rpository more... yeah :-) | 22:49 |
| lbt | tibob: Diablo? | 22:49 |
| tibob | lbt - yes | 22:49 |
| johnsq | I have installed gentoo todo this. | 22:49 |
| lbt | why not run Mer? | 22:49 |
| lbt | apt-get install * will work | 22:49 |
| tibob | lbt - why shoult I not run mer ? ;-) | 22:50 |
| lbt | there are no reasons that you shouldn't not run Mer | 22:50 |
| tibob | lbt - I ran it in virtualbox, looks promising | 22:50 |
| tibob | OK, I'll try 0.14 now | 22:50 |
| timeless_mbp | lbt: is there stuff there fuel there? | 22:50 |
| lbt | then you have apt-get install autoconf gcc | 22:51 |
| timeless_mbp | oh wow, generator fail | 22:51 |
| timeless_mbp | sp3000: ENEEDFUD | 22:51 |
| timeless_mbp | Stskeeps: did i get you that repo? | 22:52 |
| lbt | timeless_mbp: have you had too much sugar? | 22:52 |
| sneakret | Is there really no OBEX support in Diablo? | 22:52 |
| timeless_mbp | lbt: haven't eaten since maybe 1pm, it's 11pm | 22:52 |
| lbt | breathe | 22:52 |
| timeless_mbp | lbt: anyway, is there some fuel in Testing i can burn? | 22:52 |
| Stskeeps | let me just check if Testing is built yet | 22:52 |
| zek152 | is there a way to connect to hidden wireless networks that use wpa? | 22:52 |
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| Stskeeps | timeless_mbp: you can probably change Stable to Testing in your apt/sources.list.d/mer.list | 22:53 |
| Stskeeps | and apt-get update; apt-get dist-upgrade | 22:53 |
| Stskeeps | no guarantees it'll work | 22:53 |
| timeless_mbp | Stskeeps: yeah did that | 22:53 |
| timeless_mbp | it seems to do something | 22:53 |
| Stskeeps | i didnt test it yet | 22:53 |
| * timeless_mbp should have created a virtualbox rollback point | 22:54 | |
| timeless_mbp | zek152: hidden networks, sure | 22:54 |
| timeless_mbp | wpa um... probably | 22:54 |
| * timeless_mbp hates acronyms | 22:54 | |
| Stskeeps | a lump sum pay out of £500,000.00 GBP(Five Hundred Thousand GBP)' | 22:54 |
| Stskeeps | er. | 22:54 |
| timeless_mbp | spam in your clipboard? | 22:54 |
| sneakret | zek152, I connect to a hidden network using WPA all the time, I think. | 22:54 |
| Stskeeps | timeless_mbp: yeah, 'We are pleased to inform you of the result of the Nokia Promotions Program' | 22:55 |
| lbt | he's selling Mer!!!! | 22:55 |
| Stskeeps | ;) | 22:55 |
| lcuk | can i have a pint of mer please | 22:55 |
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| lbt | at those prices? | 22:55 |
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| timeless_mbp | qwerty12_N810: hey, the theme picker doesn't crash anymore! | 22:56 |
| zek152 | http://www.itap.purdue.edu/airlink/setup/winxp.cfm . Is a link to the instructions for using winxp to get onto the network I am trying to connect to. How would i go about getting on it? | 22:56 |
| zek152 | Any help would be much appreaciated | 22:56 |
| qwerty12_N810 | timeless_mbp: I know :P | 22:56 |
| lcuk | i would guess you could get on network by using winxp | 22:56 |
| timeless_mbp | glad to see it :) | 22:56 |
| qwerty12_N810 | fixed the stupid bugs I left in it :) | 22:57 |
| timeless_mbp | qwerty12_N810: when do i get the locale picker? | 22:57 |
| lbt | lcuk: http://who-t.blogspot.com/2009/05/xi2-recipes-part-1.html | 22:57 |
| sneakret | If I have a desktop machine running Windows and want to get files to it via bluetooth, am I out of luck? | 22:57 |
| lbt | multi-touch X extensions... | 22:57 |
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| johnsq | sneakret: bluetooth network than samba share | 22:57 |
| lbt | http://who-t.blogspot.com/2009/06/xi2-recipies-part-2.html http://who-t.blogspot.com/2009/06/xi2-recipes-part-3.html | 22:58 |
| timeless_mbp | johnsq =~ s/than/then/ | 22:58 |
| sneakret | johnsq: The bluetooth network part is the problem. | 22:58 |
| qwerty12_N810 | timeless_mbp: it's there, in that folder. I don't have the time to upload it to obs, perhaps you may be able to do so? :) | 22:58 |
| timeless_mbp | nah :) | 22:58 |
| lcuk | lbt kewl | 22:58 |
| timeless_mbp | did you get art for it ? :) | 22:58 |
| qwerty12_N810 | It has a plain blue flag in the control panel :P | 22:59 |
| sneakret | Can you point me at information on getting bluetooth networking going? Once that's solved, there are many protocols to choose from. | 22:59 |
| qwerty12_N810 | (sdk icons) | 22:59 |
| timeless_mbp | qwerty12_N810: that'll do | 22:59 |
| sneakret | I grabbed bluetooth-pan, but it seemed to want to talk to my modem. Maybe there's a way to change that... | 23:00 |
| sneakret | s/modem/phone/ | 23:00 |
| infobot | sneakret meant: I grabbed bluetooth-pan, but it seemed to want to talk to my phone. Maybe there's a way to change that... | 23:00 |
| sneakret | Uh... thanks infobot. | 23:00 |
| timeless_mbp | konttori__: ukmp doesn't work on Mer :(~ | 23:01 |
| konttori__ | buu | 23:01 |
| konttori__ | which version? | 23:01 |
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| timeless_mbp | 1.90.6 ? | 23:02 |
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| timeless_mbp | webwizardry.net/~timeless/mer-ukmp.txt | 23:04 |
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| zek152 | I figured out how to get on the network. Nokia did a good job with the nokia n810. at this campus it takes a lot of work for people with linux to connect to the wireless and this device didnt need any additional files or programs! | 23:05 |
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| sneakret | zek152: Yeah, I've had great luck with the wifi support too. Not so great with bluetooth though. :( | 23:06 |
| tibob | lbt - are mer upgrades done by apt-get update/dist-upgrade or by reinstalling mer ? | 23:07 |
| Stskeeps | depends on how much we fuck it up | 23:07 |
| lbt | target is apt-get | 23:07 |
| zek152 | sneakret, no? well i guess thats not a problem for me since my next 3 years will be at this university where i will have internet almost anywhere. and i dont have the data plan to use my phone as a modem | 23:07 |
| johnsq | sneakret: http://wiki.maemo.org/Bluetooth_networking | 23:07 |
| lbt | tibob: from that PoV Mer will essentially be a Ubuntu/Debian install | 23:08 |
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| suihkulokki | sneakret: n810 supports bluetooth internet over DUN, which vast majority of phones support | 23:08 |
| tibob | lbt - hmm I don't get it, but I should read more documentation. don't bother for now, thanks ;-) | 23:09 |
| lbt | http://wiki.maemo.org/Mer | 23:10 |
| * xnt14 is away: gaming | 23:10 | |
| timeless_mbp | which reminds me | 23:10 |
| timeless_mbp | i still need to figure out the vbox icon stuff | 23:10 |
| timeless_mbp | Stskeeps: don't suppose you ever figured out how to add a virtualbox OS icon? :) | 23:14 |
| Stskeeps | timeless_mbp: can't say i do | 23:14 |
| tibob | lbt - yes, I'm already reading it, thanks ;-) | 23:16 |
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| johnsq | wau infrared has 8m range. | 23:18 |
| timeless_mbp | Stskeeps: it seems like it's built into the Qt code :( | 23:18 |
| Stskeeps | .. infrared? | 23:18 |
| johnsq | Stskeeps: two diods at the audio connector | 23:19 |
| Stskeeps | which device are we speaking of? :P | 23:19 |
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| johnsq | Stskeeps: http://goron.de/~johns/n810 at the end, n810 with selfmade IR transmitter. | 23:20 |
| Stskeeps | ah | 23:20 |
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| Stskeeps | cool | 23:21 |
| timeless_mbp | 5211 /* Fill in OS type icon dictionary. */ | 23:21 |
| timeless_mbp | 5212 static const char *kOSTypeIcons [][2] = | 23:21 |
| timeless_mbp | yuck | 23:21 |
| * timeless_mbp grumbles | 23:21 | |
| timeless_mbp | so unfriendly | 23:21 |
| sneakret | johnsq: Have you set up a bluetooth network between a Windows system and a NIT? I read that page and the bluetooth PAN page before I came here and asked about it. | 23:22 |
| sneakret | Unfortunately those pages don't seem to contain much actual information. | 23:22 |
| lcuk | johnsq, thats very cool and specific writup for 810 users :) post it in talk.maemo.org if you havent already :) | 23:22 |
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| johnsq | lcuk: I have no account there. | 23:23 |
| johnsq | sneakret: I started but than used usb network. | 23:23 |
| lcuk | make one :) you're hacking will be welcomed :) | 23:23 |
| sneakret | Yeah. I might end up doing that too. :) | 23:23 |
| lcuk | your | 23:23 |
| sneakret | but bluetooth would definitely be more convenient | 23:24 |
| sneakret | Any idea what sort of removable flash memory the new NIT is gonna take? I was disappointed to lose support for SD cards when I went from the N800 to the N810. | 23:24 |
| johnsq | sneakret: my problem was the new bluetooth stack on linux bluez 4.xx | 23:25 |
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| timeless_mbp | sneakret: on average, we try to share components w/ other parts of Nokia | 23:25 |
| timeless_mbp | it reduces cost per component | 23:25 |
| johnsq | lcuk: it should work with n8x0 also, it also runs on my laptop. | 23:25 |
| lcuk | yeah i read the article last week | 23:25 |
| timeless_mbp | which means you should be able to get a good guess by looking to see what other nokia products include | 23:25 |
| lcuk | excellent that someone followed it through :) | 23:25 |
| qwerty12_N810 | timeless_mbp: it shows when watching videos on the N8x0 :) | 23:26 |
| timeless_mbp | if most nokia products included 5 1/4" floppy drives, we would too :) | 23:26 |
| sneakret | timeless_mbp: That's understandable, but doesn't directly answer my question. | 23:26 |
| timeless_mbp | sneakret: obviously i can't answer it :) | 23:26 |
| sneakret | OK. :) | 23:26 |
| timeless_mbp | but i love offering useless perls of wisdom :) | 23:26 |
| timeless_mbp | common sense is quite valuable | 23:26 |
| timeless_mbp | and sadly very uncommon | 23:27 |
| timeless_mbp | qwerty12_N810: i didn't say i like the people who do purchasing :) | 23:27 |
| timeless_mbp | historically we haven't had any access to them, that changed this month | 23:27 |
| timeless_mbp | but that obviously couldn't affect a product that was already in the pipeline | 23:27 |
| lbt | I think they should use AA batteries | 23:28 |
| sneakret | Haha. | 23:28 |
| lcuk | sage idea | 23:28 |
| lbt | don't laugh :( | 23:28 |
| lbt | or maybe a battery pack : http://cpc.farnell.com/productimages/farnell/standard/BT0286006-40.jpg | 23:28 |
| lcuk | sneakret, always available, you could even put charging circuit directly in device still with no change | 23:28 |
| sneakret | The N800 is thinner than AA batteries' diameter. I like it that way. | 23:28 |
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| lcuk | the 810 at least is | 23:29 |
| lcuk | i think you could get em in 800 | 23:29 |
| lbt | wouldn't die after a couple of days and I'd have spares in my UPS :D | 23:29 |
| sneakret | er... I meant N810. | 23:29 |
| jaska | use a rtg?:) | 23:29 |
| lcuk | ok, buttoncells! | 23:29 |
| sneakret | The N800 could actually hold AA batteries, I guess. | 23:29 |
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| sneakret | Yeah. 2016! I can get those cheap! :) | 23:30 |
| lcuk | jaska, i would happily carry an rtg device if they could be sold in correct form factor | 23:30 |
| jaska | ditto :) | 23:30 |
| lcuk | fuelcells powered by booze are quite good | 23:31 |
| GAN8001 | lbt, cylinders are space-inefficient here. | 23:31 |
| lcuk | and useful in stressful situations | 23:31 |
| b-man16 | lol | 23:31 |
| lbt | put them at the edges and have pillar architecture... | 23:31 |
| b-man16 | a whole new definition to dui's | 23:31 |
| lcuk | sod that, proper rollout scroll type | 23:31 |
| lbt | Roman-esque look | 23:31 |
| b-man16 | ;) | 23:31 |
| lcuk | use the batteries themselves as support | 23:31 |
| lbt | yeah, rollable displays | 23:31 |
| sneakret | I wonder if booze cells would violate open container laws. :) | 23:32 |
| lcuk | Stskeeps has a proptype ;) | 23:32 |
| lcuk | sneakret, only if its open | 23:32 |
| b-man16 | lol | 23:32 |
| lcuk | quick, cops, put the lid on and run memstresss | 23:32 |
| Macer | going buck wild in iran and north korea huh? | 23:32 |
| lcuk | "proptype" | 23:33 |
| sneakret | Where I live, I think "open" means "does not have the original seal" | 23:33 |
| lcuk | mmm i must remember to give the nokia more of my booze | 23:33 |
| sneakret | so if you open a bottle of wine then put the cork back in, it's still an open container | 23:33 |
| b-man16 | XD | 23:33 |
| b-man16 | probably | 23:33 |
| b-man16 | xD | 23:33 |
| lcuk | sneakret, what it if ran on butane gas then | 23:34 |
| Macer | new tobacco bill :) | 23:34 |
| lcuk | refillable like a lighter | 23:34 |
| lcuk | from a pressurized can | 23:34 |
| sneakret | Well, I was hoping booze cells would be a loophole for that law. :) | 23:34 |
| lcuk | donuts | 23:34 |
| Macer | wow.. obama going after big tobacco | 23:34 |
| Macer | lol | 23:34 |
| sneakret | "Officer, it's just to power my pocket death ray. Honest!" | 23:34 |
| lcuk | they allow cops to run for 8hours | 23:34 |
| sneakret | Butane powered NIT... awesome. | 23:35 |
| b-man16 | rofl | 23:35 |
| lcuk | sneakret, you cannot carry an open container, but you can carry a truck battery laden with highly corrosive acid.. | 23:35 |
| b-man16 | ~burn his n800 | 23:35 |
| lcuk | quick, put more coals on the n810, the screen is dimming | 23:35 |
| sneakret | Where can I read the latest public info on the next NIT? | 23:36 |
| b-man16 | lol | 23:36 |
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| lcuk | http://wiki.maemo.org/Task:Maemo_roadmap/Fremantle | 23:36 |
| sneakret | Thanks. | 23:36 |
| lcuk | i assume thats latest | 23:36 |
| sneakret | Hmm... that's the software. What about the hardware? | 23:37 |
| lcuk | lbt, did you save johnx's post about the proto device | 23:37 |
| lcuk | after we came back form cph | 23:37 |
| lbt | in talk? | 23:37 |
| GAN8001 | ~rx-51 | 23:37 |
| infobot | rx-51 is, like, http://maemo.org/community/council/community_highlights_for_december_2008-part_i-january_2009-part_ii/ http://www.linuxdevices.com/news/NS9093153240.html | 23:37 |
| sneakret | Thanks. | 23:38 |
| sneakret | I'm sure the software blog changes much more often and will be more interesting to follow, but I also want to drool over the hardware. | 23:38 |
| lcuk | johnx gave a really nice overview of the prototype hardware we played with last month in copenhagen | 23:39 |
| sneakret | The FM transmitter will probably mean I'll have to buy one for my wife too. | 23:41 |
| lcuk | does she read tech pages? | 23:41 |
| sneakret | No, but she's bound to see me use that feature. | 23:42 |
| lcuk | nahhh dont give the game away | 23:42 |
| lcuk | if your favorite music just happens to invade the radio everytiem you are in the care | 23:42 |
| lcuk | -e | 23:42 |
| sneakret | I'd be thrilled to get her one. :) | 23:42 |
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| lcuk | its just a lucky coincidence | 23:42 |
| lcuk | :D then good | 23:42 |
| sneakret | I'll gladly reward Nokia for a good set of features by buying more. | 23:42 |
| lcuk | http://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?t=29270 | 23:43 |
| lcuk | thats johnx's post | 23:43 |
| sneakret | It's a good post. :) | 23:43 |
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| sneakret | I'm looking forward to mypaint (or something similar) on the new device. :) | 23:48 |
| lcuk | :) im lookin forward to gettin liqbase back into proper shape :) | 23:49 |
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| sneakret | My daughter likes liqbase. :) | 23:50 |
| lcuk | its getting even better now as well :) | 23:52 |
| lcuk | and my son spends hours there | 23:52 |
| lcuk | one of the biggest problems with original was tagging and categorizing stuff | 23:52 |
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| lcuk | so jacobs things stay together | 23:52 |
| lcuk | i saw one of the key elements of the new framework working today :) | 23:52 |
| tibob | n8 all | 23:52 |
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| lcuk | i was sketching on one device and seeing results immediately live on the other | 23:52 |
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| oespirit|away | lcuk: thats really awesome :) | 23:53 |
| oespirit|away | back | 23:53 |
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| Robot101 | lcuk: tubes? :) | 23:54 |
| lcuk | oespirit, yeah tis - its complete mockup right now (sshfs) but when its live properly it will just talk to a web service | 23:54 |
| sneakret | lcuk: Oh, that'll be a HUGE hit at my house. We have an N800 and N810. | 23:54 |
| lcuk | and be visible on proper webpage to non nokia users | 23:54 |
| lcuk | sneakret, :) its a defined goal to make it run as well as possible on n8x0 devices :) | 23:55 |
| sneakret | Web service seems like a lot of overhead. | 23:55 |
| lcuk | its not :) | 23:55 |
| lcuk | just http upload | 23:55 |
| sneakret | Cool. | 23:55 |
| sneakret | Ah! | 23:55 |
| timeless_mbp | web services are cheap actually | 23:55 |
| sneakret | Clever. | 23:55 |
| lcuk | and the stuff is just for families anyway - the calendar is hand written | 23:55 |
| lcuk | just like the one on the wall in your kitchen | 23:55 |
| sneakret | Yeah, I hadn't thought of streaming the data that way. | 23:55 |
| lcuk | the sketches are very lightweight | 23:55 |
| oespirit | lcuk: At my univ, we have often discussed how awesome it would be to have a collaborative sketchpad where people across networks can scribble on - we have lustfully wished for it while discussing circuits /math stuff etc on chat/irc. | 23:56 |
| sneakret | I was thinking in terms of separate web service calls for each operation. | 23:56 |
| lcuk | oespirit, :) yes | 23:56 |
| oespirit | lcuk: this thing will really rock for students like us | 23:56 |
| lcuk | sketch chat is another possiblity | 23:56 |
| lcuk | with streaming half sized chat up one side | 23:56 |
| lcuk | and other half for responses | 23:56 |
| lcuk | the best part about liqbase is because its built from the smallest lightest components it should run on any spec machine | 23:57 |
| Robot101 | lcuk: couldn't you use telepathy to send the sketches around to participants of a group chat for example? | 23:57 |
| Robot101 | this could be some nice maemo / sugar cross-over | 23:57 |
| lcuk | i could, but telepathy is hard | 23:57 |
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| lcuk | ive never setup any im account on device | 23:57 |
| oespirit | lcuk: :) | 23:57 |
| lcuk | but i run mauku | 23:57 |
| lcuk | and other services similar | 23:57 |
| lcuk | they just talk to website | 23:58 |
| lcuk | it works | 23:58 |
| lcuk | its scalable | 23:58 |
| lcuk | and its open to other users who dont have im client | 23:58 |
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| lcuk | i wanna take a pic with camera, scribble on the back as a postcard "hi mum, i saw this and thought of you" | 23:58 |
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| sneakret | oespirit: http://dabbleboard.com/ | 23:59 |
| lcuk | but she would never have an IM account | 23:59 |
| Robot101 | right, but there are different use-cases like what oespirit explains, if you have people who are doing real-time discussions like chat/voip, and you want to add a whiteboard feature there | 23:59 |
| lcuk | she goes on the web tho and has email | 23:59 |
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| lcuk | easy | 23:59 |
| lcuk | even with web | 23:59 |
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