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| johnsq | keyboard is working, with special xf86-input-evdev | 00:21 |
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| slonopotamus | johnsq, + special xmodmap? | 00:23 |
| johnsq | slonopotamus: yes xmodmap | 00:23 |
| slonopotamus | johnsq, so... congrats :) what's next? | 00:24 |
| johnsq | wlan is half working, with open SSID it works, with hidden SSID no connect, but maemo connects. | 00:25 |
| slonopotamus | hidden ssid... dunno. i checked wpa & wep on open APs | 00:26 |
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| johnsq | slonopotamus: there was a bug in gentoo wireless.example #mac_essid_001122334455 should be #mac_ssid_001122334455="ESSID" but still no connect. | 00:28 |
| slonopotamus | never used hidden APs, so can't give you any advice here | 00:29 |
| johnsq | the next days i must got some work done. i write now my application. | 00:31 |
| slonopotamus | what app? :) | 00:32 |
| johnsq | bluetooth keyboard and on screen keyboard. (for one-hand or one-finger) | 00:33 |
| slonopotamus | johnsq, finger, not stylus? | 00:33 |
| johnsq | i will make a small version for stylus and a fullscreen for finger. | 00:34 |
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| slonopotamus | johnsq, gtk/qt/smth_else? if gtk, i suggest looking at florence.sf.net | 00:35 |
| johnsq | slonopotamus: I need no menus, only little bitmap stuff, just low-level X11 with xcb | 00:36 |
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| slonopotamus | johnsq, hildon kb has useful feature of shrinking app window and automatically appears when you set focus to text fields. these are two most important things in on-screen kb | 00:43 |
| slonopotamus | i'm not good at gui programming, but i suspect it will be tricy to implement without sticking to gui lib | 00:44 |
| slonopotamus | johnsq, btw, why did you need gentoo for that? :) | 00:45 |
| johnsq | slonopotamus: the on screen wasn't the goal, i just started this after I got the n810. development kit, crosscompiler are much trouble and I didn't know if maemo native development kit was complete and i need xcb libs. | 00:47 |
| slonopotamus | johnsq, maemo people say that it's insane to compile on tablet | 00:48 |
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| johnsq | because they use c++ and xml and have big projects. | 00:48 |
| johnsq | gcc didn't compile with qemu-user, on the n810 it worked. | 00:50 |
| slonopotamus | 4.3.2-r4? | 00:50 |
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| johnsq | sys-devel/gcc-4.3.3-r2 | 00:51 |
| slonopotamus | err... 4.3.3 had some problems. it isn't stable anywhere | 00:51 |
| slonopotamus | on gentoo arches, i mean | 00:51 |
| slonopotamus | i'd suggest either trying 4.4 or sticking to stable 4.3.2 | 00:52 |
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| diega | hi all, anybody has the rhythmbox_0.9.2_arm.deb file somewhere? because the link that appears in google for rhythmbox in maemo points to an unexistent location... | 01:09 |
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| pupnik | sounds fun | 01:14 |
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| Luke-Jr_ | johnsq: you got Fn to work?! | 01:18 |
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| johnsq | Luke-Jr_: yes with x11 | 01:24 |
| Luke-Jr_ | not console mode? | 01:25 |
| Luke-Jr_ | it always worked in X11 IIRC, until I installed KDE | 01:25 |
| johnsq | Luke-Jr_: console should need only a keymap file. | 01:26 |
| Luke-Jr_ | johnsq: not that simple-- Fn is key 464 | 01:26 |
| Luke-Jr_ | loadkeys only supports up to key 255 | 01:27 |
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| johnsq | Luke-Jr_: what does the 512key patch from the overlay? | 01:27 |
| Luke-Jr_ | johnsq: apparently avoids the error | 01:28 |
| Luke-Jr_ | I got it somewhere, but it doesn't actually work | 01:28 |
| Luke-Jr_ | not sure why | 01:28 |
| johnsq | Luke-Jr_: git://www.thenautilus.net/xf86-input-evdev compiled and installed. | 01:29 |
| Luke-Jr_ | why? | 01:29 |
| Luke-Jr_ | latest stable xf86-input-evdev works fine | 01:29 |
| johnsq | Luke-Jr_: it support input key remapping Option "event_key_remap" "464=216" | 01:30 |
| Luke-Jr_ | uh, why? | 01:30 |
| Luke-Jr_ | what's wrong with 464? | 01:30 |
| johnsq | Luke-Jr_: x11 input system didn't support keys > 256 | 01:30 |
| Luke-Jr_ | sure it does | 01:30 |
| johnsq | Luke-Jr_: http://bugs.freedesktop.org/show_bug.cgi?id=11227 | 01:32 |
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| b-man16 | Luke-jr, btw my gentoo install did boot, but then rebooted due to a kernel panic before it launched the console's shell | 01:33 |
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| b-man16 | :( | 01:34 |
| Luke-Jr_ | b-man16: wtf? | 01:34 |
| b-man16 | yup :P | 01:35 |
| Luke-Jr_ | johnsq: actually, my X shows Fn as keycode 216 for some reason | 01:35 |
| Luke-Jr_ | b-man16: what did you do? | 01:35 |
| johnsq | Luke-Jr_: installed mer evdev? | 01:35 |
| Luke-Jr_ | johnsq: no | 01:36 |
| Luke-Jr_ | vanilla stable evdev | 01:36 |
| Luke-Jr_ | or testing, not sure which | 01:36 |
| Luke-Jr_ | but like I said, everything blew up when I installed KDE | 01:36 |
| Luke-Jr_ | so I forget | 01:36 |
| b-man16 | Luke-jr, i installed n8x0-env - and then ran update-rc.d for the boot scritps like the guide said | 01:36 |
| Luke-Jr_ | b-man16: uuuuh, what? | 01:37 |
| johnsq | b-man16: install nit-compat? /linuxrc there? | 01:37 |
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| Luke-Jr_ | b-man16: there is no such thing as update-rc.d | 01:37 |
| johnsq | Luke-Jr_: with x11-drivers/xf86-input-evdev 2.2.1 , i got no events with xev. | 01:38 |
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| b-man16 | oh, wait, invoke-rc.d | 01:39 |
| Luke-Jr_ | b-man16: nope | 01:39 |
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| Luke-Jr_ | johnsq: perhaps the X.org config? | 01:39 |
| b-man16 | wait.... | 01:39 |
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| b-man16 | Luke-Jr, i ran rc-update add nit-boot-basics boot | 01:42 |
| b-man16 | and made shure linuxrc had execute permissions | 01:42 |
| b-man16 | Luke-Jr, ? | 01:44 |
| johnsq | b-man16: bootloader with | 01:45 |
| johnsq | MENU_4_LINUXRC="linuxrc" | 01:45 |
| b-man16 | fbmode, yes | 01:45 |
| b-man16 | yupp | 01:45 |
| johnsq | b-man16: can you see where it dies? otherwise some sleep in the linuxrc script. | 01:46 |
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| b-man16 | it said that init failed with an exit status | 01:48 |
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| johnsq | b-man16: disabled serial in inittab? | 01:48 |
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| b-man16 | it said that it could not find /mnt/new_root/linuxrc, /tmp/linuxrc, and /linuxrc | 01:53 |
| b-man16 | but it's there | 01:53 |
| johnsq | b-man16: wrong boot device? | 01:54 |
| Luke-Jr_ | b-man16: did you copy the required filesystem modules to initfs? | 01:55 |
| b-man16 | yes | 01:55 |
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| b-man16 | here's my fstab: | 01:58 |
| b-man16 | /dev/BOOT /boot ext2 noauto,noatime 1 2 | 01:58 |
| b-man16 | /dev/mmcblk1p2 / ext3 noatime 0 0 | 01:58 |
| b-man16 | /dev/mmcblk1p1 none swap sw 0 0 | 01:59 |
| b-man16 | /dev/cdrom /mnt/cdrom auto noauto,ro 0 0 | 01:59 |
| b-man16 | #/dev/fd0 /mnt/floppy auto noauto 0 0 | 01:59 |
| b-man16 | what do you think is wrong? | 02:01 |
| johnsq | b-man16: fstab is used after linuxrc, much later. | 02:01 |
| johnsq | b-man16: bootloader.conf /dev/mmcblk1p2 | 02:02 |
| Luke-Jr_ | b-man16: gee I wonder | 02:02 |
| Luke-Jr_ | do you actually have a /dev/BOOT? | 02:02 |
| Luke-Jr_ | also, what johnsq said | 02:03 |
| Luke-Jr_ | slonopotamus: how did you get fsck at boot to work? | 02:03 |
| Luke-Jr_ | slonopotamus: baselayout 2 isn't doing it for me | 02:03 |
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| b-man16 | ah, wait, that's what was wrong! | 02:03 |
| b-man16 | xP | 02:03 |
| Luke-Jr_ | b-man16: the /dev/BOOT thing probably wouldn't hurt booting | 02:04 |
| xnt14[work]_ | b-man16, Luke-Jr_, gentoo-n8x0? | 02:05 |
| Luke-Jr_ | xnt14[work]_: ? | 02:06 |
| xnt14[work]_ | are you talking about gentoo on the nit? | 02:07 |
| b-man16 | yes | 02:07 |
| xnt14[work]_ | :P | 02:07 |
| xnt14[work]_ | :) | 02:07 |
| Luke-Jr_ | b-man16: an error message might be handy | 02:07 |
| xnt14[work]_ | nice but how long does it take to compile an entire of on the nit? | 02:07 |
| johnsq | Luke-Jr_: /etc/init.d/fsck does the fsck on boot | 02:07 |
| xnt14[work]_ | ok g2g home | 02:07 |
| johnsq | xnt14[work]_: 2 days, but only the updates :) | 02:08 |
| Luke-Jr_ | johnsq: it errors tho | 02:08 |
| xnt14[work]_ | :) xD | 02:08 |
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| b-man16 | johnsq: where is bootloader.conf? :P | 02:08 |
| Luke-Jr_ | johnsq: more like a week if you incude KDE | 02:09 |
| b-man16 | you mean bootmenu.conf? | 02:09 |
| johnsq | b-man16: yes. bootmenu.d, depends what you have | 02:09 |
| b-man16 | i know i have the bootmenu configuration set up properly | 02:10 |
| Luke-Jr_ | ERROR MESSAGE | 02:14 |
| b-man16 | <repost>it said that it could not find /mnt/new_root/linuxrc, /tmp/linuxrc, and /linuxrc</repost> | 02:15 |
| Luke-Jr_ | too little | 02:15 |
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| b-man16 | brb, /me reboots and writes the error messages down :P | 02:16 |
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| b-man16 | cp: cannot stat /mnt/new_root/linuxrc: no such file or directory | 02:23 |
| b-man16 | chmod: cannot stat /tmp/linuxrc: no such file or directory | 02:23 |
| b-man16 | exec: cannot stat /linuxrc: no such file or directory | 02:23 |
| b-man16 | kernel panic: cannot find init | 02:23 |
| b-man16 | but linuxrc is there | 02:23 |
| johnsq | no failure before? mount failed, add ls /mnt/new_root/ before the cp. | 02:26 |
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| johnsq | when ls is available in the initfs | 02:26 |
| b-man16 | ok | 02:30 |
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| xnt14[away] | nooooo :P | 02:38 |
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| Luke-Jr_ | … | 02:39 |
| Luke-Jr_ | someone should tell b-man than /dev/mmcblkX are numbered differently in initfs | 02:40 |
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| johnsq | now he killed it :) , good night. | 02:59 |
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| freenose | Can I reset the N810 to factory defaults without reinstalling the os? | 03:50 |
| Firebird | yes | 03:59 |
| Firebird | freenose, Control Panel, menu, tools, restore original settings | 03:59 |
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| freenose | Firebird: that pointed me to 'clear' which is what I wanted, thanks. | 04:03 |
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| woglinde | |/quit | 04:08 |
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| * xnt14 is bored | 04:12 | |
| * xnt14 decides to try out movable type | 04:12 | |
| xnt14 | but still wordpress ftw | 04:12 |
| xnt14 | imo | 04:12 |
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| tank-man | what happened to omweather applet? | 04:20 |
| tank-man | updated something and its not on home screen anymore | 04:20 |
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| Firebird | hmm, guess I'm lucky, couldn't download the omweather update | 04:46 |
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| freenose | Which youtube client do you guys recommend? | 05:25 |
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| GeneralAntilles | The depth and breadth of ignorance displayed on Talk will never cease to amaze me. | 06:24 |
| b-man16 | what's up GeneralAntilles :) i'm getting hammerd by sever weather here | 06:25 |
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| GeneralAntilles | Clueless people shouldn't pretend they have a clue. | 06:27 |
| GeneralAntilles | The 3rd party repo thread. | 06:27 |
| b-man16 | ah | 06:27 |
| b-man16 | indeed :P | 06:28 |
| GeneralAntilles | Comparing to the iPhone | 06:28 |
| GeneralAntilles | Jesus | 06:28 |
| * b-man16 is getting tired of people comparing devices to the iphone | 06:29 | |
| b-man16 | it gets annoying | 06:29 |
| GeneralAntilles | I'm tired of willful ignorance. | 06:30 |
| ds3 | I am convinced the sole source for cluebats are off shore and there is a blockade on them | 06:32 |
| xnt14 | yup, iphone and the nit are two different things, for different markets | 06:49 |
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| Chani | erm... "Unable to update OS2008 Feature upgrade. Some application packages required for the update are missing." | 07:40 |
| Chani | it's missing pre-installed-documentation-rx44 (=5.4) | 07:41 |
| Chani | :/ | 07:41 |
| Chani | and I don't see any way to force | 07:41 |
| Chani | I can't remember if I even have root on this thing | 07:42 |
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| Chani | aargh. why does this device not come with any conflict resolution in the UI? | 07:45 |
| Chani | aha! I do have root access | 07:46 |
| Chani | mmmm, apt | 07:46 |
| Chani | funny, apt-get upgrade is happy to run without any handholding | 07:47 |
| xnt14 | lol | 07:48 |
| Chani | oh. because I misread what it wanted to do. | 07:48 |
| xnt14 | oops wrong tab :P | 07:48 |
| yandere | rofl | 07:50 |
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| * Chani tries to remember how to type a pipe | 07:54 | |
| xnt14 | Chani, echo "test" | grep test | 07:55 |
| xnt14 | the | is the pipe | 07:55 |
| Chani | xnt14: the n810 keyboard doesn't have the pipe, that's my point | 07:55 |
| Chani | it's under the 'chr' button. | 07:55 |
| xnt14 | on the tablet press Chr | 07:55 |
| Chani | yes, I just said that | 07:55 |
| xnt14 | then press down | 07:55 |
| xnt14 | the arrow on the gui | 07:56 |
| Chani | hrm. less ain't installed | 07:56 |
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| Chani | ah, more is | 07:56 |
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| Chani | aptget wants to remove osso-software-version-rx44. how bad could that be? | 08:02 |
| xnt14 | im not sure if thats a meta pkg or the actuall software | 08:04 |
| Chani | yeah, same | 08:06 |
| xnt14 | :P | 08:06 |
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| xnt14 | :) http://github.com/xnt14/Unity/tree/master | 09:37 |
| xnt14 | soon to be nit compatible | 09:37 |
| xnt14 | <repost>ok I have to go to sleep (its 2:38PM here) tell, b-man that ill talk to him in the morning</repost> | 09:38 |
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| Luke-Jr_ | xnt14[zzZ]: so which Unity is that? | 10:41 |
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| Stskeeps | timeless: poke | 11:46 |
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| slonopotamus | hello | 12:26 |
| slonopotamus | something was going on this night | 12:26 |
| Stskeeps | like? | 12:27 |
| slonopotamus | b-man installing gentoo :) | 12:28 |
| Stskeeps | heh | 12:28 |
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| pupnik | i hope n900 sells like hotcakes | 12:32 |
| pupnik | what will it compete against? | 12:33 |
| pupnik | for user features | 12:33 |
| pupnik | needs to offer real advantages for im / videotel | 12:34 |
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| pupnik | super easy use | 12:34 |
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| lcuk | pupnik, i hope they come iwth a dental plan then | 12:52 |
| pupnik | lcuk arent you like the new guru at nokia? | 12:53 |
| lcuk | not at all | 12:53 |
| pupnik | i just want people to have devices that aren't backdoored by government | 12:54 |
| pupnik | understand? | 12:55 |
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| lcuk | yes, but i dunno what that has to do with tablet | 12:57 |
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| pupnik | open source | 13:02 |
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| Stskeeps | pupnik: just because it's open source doesn't mean people will look | 13:08 |
| pupnik | true | 13:09 |
| lcuk | the only way to ensure the code you run is covered is by either writing it yourself from scratch or doing a thorough review of all code and tools used to produce the code | 13:11 |
| lcuk | and hope you understand every line of it | 13:11 |
| pupnik | hey i love lost causes | 13:15 |
| pupnik | cant destroy that by proving they're lost :) | 13:15 |
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| Jaffa | Morning, all | 13:56 |
| Stskeeps | morn jaffa | 13:57 |
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| crashanddie | moin | 13:57 |
| lcuk | mornin jaffa | 13:59 |
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| * Stskeeps ponders idly where to put his backup server when it's done | 14:04 | |
| lcuk | Stskeeps, is it in your house at the mo | 14:04 |
| Stskeeps | sortof - i plan to have it boot up one hour daily for pushing data to/from it | 14:05 |
| Stskeeps | with rtc alarms | 14:05 |
| lcuk | cool, is 1 hour enough tho lol | 14:06 |
| Stskeeps | think so | 14:06 |
| Stskeeps | i back up all my relevant data | 14:06 |
| Stskeeps | rest isn't so much | 14:06 |
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| lcuk | it would be cool to just use git for full ~ backup | 14:07 |
| lcuk | Stskeeps, do you actually need a full server for it - ie arent there any decent secure remote hosted servers that you can push to | 14:08 |
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| pupnik | hi RST38h | 14:09 |
| pupnik | nobody appreciates your emus more than me | 14:10 |
| Stskeeps | lcuk: mm good question | 14:11 |
| pupnik | incredible | 14:11 |
| RST38h | moo pupnik | 14:11 |
| RST38h | ? | 14:11 |
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| RichiH | is the n900 using the 1251 or 1271? | 14:29 |
| RichiH | for wifi | 14:29 |
| Stskeeps | no clue exactly yet :) | 14:29 |
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| RichiH | hmmk | 14:30 |
| RichiH | if it's using 1251, pandora could steal the driver :p | 14:31 |
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| Stskeeps | there's a 1251 driver in maemo kernel already AFAIK | 14:33 |
| RichiH | Stskeeps: oh? i'll forward that | 14:33 |
| RichiH | Stskeeps: how much is maemo pushing main-tree adoption of their stuff? | 14:34 |
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| Stskeeps | there's a wifi driver at least | 14:34 |
| Stskeeps | RichiH: no clue | 14:34 |
| RichiH | just generally speaking | 14:34 |
| RichiH | kk | 14:34 |
| Stskeeps | a lot i thin | 14:34 |
| Stskeeps | k | 14:34 |
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| * GAN800 facepalms at the brainstorm content. | 15:09 | |
| GAN800 | RichiH, WL1271 at this point I think. | 15:11 |
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| lopz | hola | 15:17 |
| lcuk | hi lopz \o | 15:17 |
| lopz | lcuk, o7 | 15:18 |
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| GeneralAntilles | RichiH, TI WiFi hardware. | 15:42 |
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| Shadow_M | hey guys i was wondering how i could open an asx stream from mythweb on my n810 | 16:09 |
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| GAN800 | Anybody want to be a big help and dig up my post from the council blog about why Extras is a good thing. :P | 16:34 |
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| GAN800 | Thanks! ;) http://maemo.org/community/council/on_repositories/ | 16:37 |
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| macmaN6789 | anyone doing maemo dev on os x here? | 16:53 |
| macmaN6789 | esbox? | 16:53 |
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| xnt14 | hello world! | 17:15 |
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| xnt14 | Luke-Jr_, Unity = set of tools which let me do stuff on any platform (mac,win,linux,ipod touch/iphone,nit,etc...), and unision is the server side tools which provide the services, but unity can be standalone | 17:17 |
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| VDVsx | xnt14, unity isn't a game engine ? | 17:38 |
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| wazd | heya Maemo | 18:06 |
| xnt14 | wazd, hey :) | 18:06 |
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| xnt14 | VDVsx, no unity is a suite of tools allowing for me to work on any platform :P | 18:13 |
| xnt14 | unity game engine = closed source game engine, unity project = suite of tools that let me do work on any platform | 18:14 |
| xnt14 | I know what you mean by unity game engine | 18:14 |
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| VDVsx | xnt14, ah ok :) | 18:14 |
| xnt14 | :) | 18:14 |
| * xnt14 notices that gcc has mysteriously disappeared from his nit | 18:15 | |
| xnt14 | and its not in application manager | 18:15 |
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| * Jaffa is getting really fed up with the broken authentication on maemo.org | 19:32 | |
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| VDVsx | Jaffa, yah, this is very annoying :( | 19:34 |
| VDVsx | Jaffa, the English in the HIG document is not Finglish for sure :) | 19:37 |
| Jaffa | It's just rubbish? ;) | 19:37 |
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| * Jaffa also mutters about Brainstorm's comments system being plaintext and sub-optimal. | 19:40 | |
| VDVsx | Jaffa, the English there, is almost fine for me, but I'm not a native and my English is also far from perfect :) but the document was written by a Spanish contractor | 19:40 |
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| Jaffa | VDVsx: It reads like Spanglish, then ;) | 19:41 |
| VDVsx | Jaffa, heheh | 19:41 |
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| GAN800 | Jaffa, the ideas themselves boggle my mind. | 19:45 |
| GAN800 | RFID for cars. . . . | 19:45 |
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| Jaffa | GAN800: The iPhone app for the car hire firm where you can unlock the car using the iPhone is pretty cool | 19:48 |
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| GAN800 | Yeah, but this idea would require a mindbendingly large industry shift. Not that it's not a great idea it just isn't even remotely appropriate for maemo.org | 19:58 |
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| xnt14 | damn, unity-installer fails on maemo :( | 20:25 |
| * xnt14 tries to fix it | 20:25 | |
| xnt14 | but starting as root from the shell works :) | 20:26 |
| Stskeeps | unity? | 20:28 |
| xnt14 | http://github.com/xnt14/Unity/tree/master | 20:29 |
| xnt14 | runs on the nit(maemo and mer) too | 20:29 |
| xnt14 | goal is to support all the platforms i use and some requests | 20:30 |
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| xnt14 | the installer works when I start it as root from the shell but not when I hit the menu | 20:30 |
| * xnt14 takes pictures | 20:30 | |
| Stskeeps | but uhm | 20:32 |
| Stskeeps | what does it do? | 20:33 |
| xnt14 | its basically a system which lets me do work (developing apps, playing around in the shell etc...) on any platform, mac, win, linux, nit, ipod touch/iphone | 20:34 |
| xnt14 | the same interface everywhere | 20:34 |
| * xnt14 's camera eats batteries, need to get another one | 20:35 | |
| xnt14 | aand, | 20:37 |
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| * xnt14 's camera's usb mode is crap | 20:37 | |
| * xnt14 's camera has a crapload of pictures from his serverproject which freezes nautilus :P | 20:40 | |
| xnt14 | and it also has pics of my new triple monitor setup | 20:41 |
| xnt14 | lol | 20:41 |
| Stskeeps | xnt14: okay, and that's called the shell. | 20:43 |
| Stskeeps | :P | 20:43 |
| xnt14 | :P | 20:44 |
| xnt14 | I know, but on windows? | 20:44 |
| xnt14 | :P | 20:44 |
| xnt14 | just wait untill 0.5 | 20:44 |
| xnt14 | then dl it onto your tablet/pc | 20:44 |
| Stskeeps | windows has a shlel | 20:44 |
| Stskeeps | :P | 20:44 |
| Stskeeps | but okay | 20:44 |
| xnt14 | windows shell is a joke | 20:44 |
| xnt14 | :P | 20:44 |
| xnt14 | 0.5 will be 100% mer compatible | 20:44 |
| xnt14 | and atleast early betaish stable | 20:45 |
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| xnt14 | Stskeeps, http://xceleo.org/unity-installer/ | 20:46 |
| xnt14 | pics | 20:46 |
| xnt14 | on the nit | 20:46 |
| xnt14 | brb | 20:47 |
| Stskeeps | why don't you just use load-applet to grab screenshots? :P | 20:48 |
| kpel | is there any way to make maemo automatically install packages in the memory card? | 20:52 |
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| Stskeeps | no, use clone to SD | 20:52 |
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| kpel | Stskeeps: is that a tool that clones the whole filesystem? | 20:53 |
| Stskeeps | ye | 20:53 |
| kpel | where can i find it? | 20:53 |
| Stskeeps | ~clone-to-sd | 20:53 |
| Stskeeps | it's on wiki somewhere :P | 20:54 |
| kpel | ok, thanks Stskeeps | 20:54 |
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| Luke-Jr_ | kpel: rsync? | 20:57 |
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| Luke-Jr_ | xnt14: Unity project = Free port of Qt to Windows | 20:59 |
| Luke-Jr_ | oh wait, no | 20:59 |
| Luke-Jr_ | Unity project = Free implementation of Java | 21:00 |
| Luke-Jr_ | err, actually | 21:00 |
| Luke-Jr_ | Unity project = Qt4 port of WebKit | 21:00 |
| glass | hah | 21:01 |
| Stskeeps | project ID #14141251 | 21:01 |
| Stskeeps | :P | 21:01 |
| kpel | is qt faster than gtk? | 21:02 |
| Luke-Jr_ | kpel: yes | 21:02 |
| Firebird | lies | 21:03 |
| Luke-Jr_ | kpel: significantly, in fact | 21:03 |
| Luke-Jr_ | kpel: Trolltech ported Qt to use GTK's event loop... | 21:03 |
| Luke-Jr_ | just that slowed Qt down noticably | 21:03 |
| xnt14 | Stskeeps, I can't use loadapplet when hildon-desktop isn't running ;) | 21:06 |
| Stskeeps | you aren't being creative enough | 21:07 |
| xnt14 | Luke-Jr, w/e if you can find a qt port of zenity.... | 21:07 |
| Stskeeps | :P | 21:07 |
| xnt14 | Stskeeps: elaborate | 21:07 |
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| Stskeeps | xnt14: given sufficient time anything is possible | 21:07 |
| Stskeeps | :P | 21:07 |
| wazd | what do you think bout such mime types representation? http://s59.radikal.ru/i165/0906/dc/cc4f23147e95.jpg | 21:07 |
| xnt14 | Stskeeps, :) k | 21:08 |
| Stskeeps | wazd: i like | 21:08 |
| Stskeeps | if we hide the extensions, that is | 21:08 |
| xnt14 | :( that link crashed midori | 21:08 |
| kpel | luke-jr: are there benchmarks for qt4 and gtk2? | 21:08 |
| xnt14 | :) | 21:08 |
| * xnt14 opens it in ff while he sees midori stuck in a crashing loop | 21:09 | |
| xnt14 | and | 21:09 |
| * xnt14 runs killall midori | 21:09 | |
| RST38h | wazd: why not 45o ribbons? =) | 21:10 |
| xnt14 | wazd, nice, release one with the extensions/put up the icons /w extensions when its released | 21:10 |
| Stskeeps | wazd: are those icons touchable in size btW? | 21:10 |
| Stskeeps | according to our current spec | 21:11 |
| Luke-Jr_ | kpel: not sure, but GTK is so slow that WINE Firefox is faster than GTK Firefox ;) | 21:11 |
| xnt14 | Stskeeps, is this going to be the mer 0.15 theme? | 21:11 |
| wazd | RST38h: they are too popular :) | 21:11 |
| Stskeeps | xnt14: if someone makes it so | 21:11 |
| xnt14 | :) | 21:11 |
| RST38h | ah | 21:11 |
| wazd | Stskeeps: well, icons are 48x48 :) | 21:12 |
| Stskeeps | wazd: k | 21:12 |
| Luke-Jr_ | kpel: http://www.tuxradar.com/content/browser-benchmarks-2-even-wine-beats-linux-firefox | 21:12 |
| slonopotamus | Luke-Jr_, maybe it just needs some profiling and optimizing | 21:12 |
| Luke-Jr_ | slonopotamus: it needs to be replaced with Qt ;) | 21:12 |
| Macer | Luke-Jr_: lol! | 21:12 |
| slonopotamus | nah | 21:12 |
| Macer | that is kind of sad | 21:12 |
| Luke-Jr_ | thank God Firefox 3.5 is finally ported to Qt | 21:13 |
| wazd | RST38h: and horizontal text is more readable in low resolutions | 21:13 |
| * xnt14 doesn't care that much | 21:13 | |
| slonopotamus | c vs cpp is questionable | 21:13 |
| Macer | so mer should port wine and ff | 21:13 |
| xnt14 | :P | 21:13 |
| Stskeeps | wine? not possible | 21:13 |
| Stskeeps | :P | 21:13 |
| Luke-Jr_ | Macer: WINE is never going to run faster on ARM | 21:13 |
| Luke-Jr_ | Stskeeps: possible with qemu | 21:13 |
| xnt14 | yup | 21:13 |
| Stskeeps | Luke-Jr_: i'm not -that- mentally ill | 21:13 |
| xnt14 | wine = api emu | 21:13 |
| xnt14 | not arch emu | 21:13 |
| Macer | Stskeeps: no wine?! | 21:13 |
| Macer | wine is x86 only? | 21:14 |
| xnt14 | yup | 21:14 |
| Luke-Jr_ | Macer: rather, Windows apps are x86 only | 21:14 |
| Luke-Jr_ | WINE doesn't emulate anything | 21:14 |
| slonopotamus | Macer, arm wine will run arm windows binaries | 21:14 |
| Luke-Jr_ | it just provides the libraries Windows apps expect | 21:14 |
| Macer | lol | 21:14 |
| xnt14 | :P | 21:14 |
| kpel | luke-jr: thanks for the url. will have a look. | 21:14 |
| Macer | emu the x86 cpu | 21:14 |
| Macer | :) | 21:14 |
| xnt14 | Macer, too slow | 21:14 |
| Macer | maybe | 21:14 |
| Luke-Jr_ | xnt14: not too slow, but slower than GTK | 21:14 |
| slonopotamus | slow & not needed | 21:14 |
| xnt14 | unless you want win95 | 21:15 |
| Macer | maybe just as fast as ff | 21:15 |
| xnt14 | Luke-jr, :P | 21:15 |
| Luke-Jr_ | someone got Windows 3.11 running on their N95. | 21:15 |
| Macer | arm winxp would be awesome | 21:15 |
| Luke-Jr_ | xnt14: emulating x86 doesn't mean running Windows | 21:15 |
| Macer | i'd love to run xp on an n810 | 21:15 |
| xnt14 | Macer, Win xp embedded | 21:15 |
| Luke-Jr_ | xnt14: qemu allows you to emulate x86 just to run WINE | 21:15 |
| xnt14 | Luke-Jr, oh :P ok | 21:15 |
| Macer | xnt14: wow really? | 21:15 |
| Luke-Jr_ | Macer: FAILK | 21:15 |
| Macer | has anybody run it on an n810 | 21:16 |
| Luke-Jr_ | xnt14: qemu has 2 modes: system emulation and user mode emulation | 21:16 |
| Macer | Luke-Jr_: im sorry but linux is fail ;) | 21:16 |
| xnt14 | Macer, XPe is (I think) arm based | 21:16 |
| Luke-Jr_ | xnt14: the latter mode just runs foreign apps on your main OS | 21:16 |
| xnt14 | :) | 21:16 |
| Luke-Jr_ | Macer: Linux kicks the crap out of any other kernel | 21:16 |
| xnt14 | Luke-Jr_, yup linux ftw | 21:16 |
| * Macer looks at his opensolaris box | 21:16 | |
| Macer | yah ok | 21:16 |
| Luke-Jr_ | Macer: you're better off running Linux+qemu+WINE than WinXP | 21:17 |
| * xnt14 tried opensolaris, no driver support, hangs on my xps | 21:17 | |
| Macer | i guess if you want mwave support... linux kernel is great | 21:17 |
| Luke-Jr_ | Linux supports more hardware than any other kernel | 21:17 |
| xnt14 | :) | 21:17 |
| Macer | i'd rather build a system around a better kernel | 21:18 |
| * xnt14 wonders how the hell is he going to run unity on his ipod touch when the iPhoneOS doesn't have zenity | 21:18 | |
| Luke-Jr_ | there is no better kernel, idiot | 21:18 |
| Macer | xnt14: mwaves arent supported in opensolaris | 21:18 |
| xnt14 | k | 21:18 |
| Macer | Luke-Jr_: i disagree | 21:18 |
| Macer | no kernel zfs support makes it inferior by default | 21:19 |
| * xnt14 is starting to hate the iphoneos apple developers | 21:19 | |
| Macer | :) | 21:19 |
| suihkulokki | kool, this channel has moved from distro wars to OS wars | 21:19 |
| Macer | and there is another linux problem | 21:19 |
| Macer | 5000 distros | 21:19 |
| slonopotamus | suihkulokki, we're advancing :) | 21:19 |
| Luke-Jr_ | Macer: who needs ZFS? | 21:19 |
| Luke-Jr_ | distro == OS | 21:20 |
| Macer | everybody :-P | 21:20 |
| Luke-Jr_ | Macer: Btrfs is in 2.6.29+ | 21:20 |
| xnt14 | suihkulokki, :P nope ui tool kit wars, to browser wars, to distro wars, to kernel wars | 21:20 |
| Macer | lol | 21:20 |
| suihkulokki | from my pov opensolaris is just another distro, only it's not binary compatible with anyone ;) | 21:20 |
| Macer | btrfs | 21:20 |
| xnt14 | :P | 21:20 |
| suihkulokki | now, to fetch my popcorn | 21:20 |
| Macer | pfft | 21:20 |
| Macer | good luck with that | 21:21 |
| xnt14 | suihkilokki, wget http://popcorn | 21:21 |
| xnt14 | :P | 21:21 |
| Luke-Jr_ | suihkulokki is inevitably right | 21:21 |
| Luke-Jr_ | Macer: better yet, NILFS2 | 21:21 |
| * xnt14 is getting sick of these wars, whats next? editor wars? | 21:21 | |
| Luke-Jr_ | xnt14: nano, vim, and kate FTW | 21:21 |
| Macer | emacs! | 21:22 |
| Macer | lol | 21:22 |
| trofi | it explains problems in the worls | 21:22 |
| Macer | i never even used emacs | 21:22 |
| xnt14 | Luke-Jr, naon(nano based, my modified editor),nano,vim ftw :P | 21:22 |
| Luke-Jr_ | xnt14: you forgot kate! | 21:22 |
| Macer | anyways. son is losing his mind. going to set up a hot wheels race track | 21:23 |
| Luke-Jr_ | Macer: don't force ZFS on him | 21:23 |
| * Stskeeps is a opensolaris user too. | 21:23 | |
| Macer | zfs is good | 21:23 |
| Luke-Jr_ | an* | 21:23 |
| Macer | :-P | 21:23 |
| xnt14 | Luke-Jr_, well, kate is cool, but kde is too much bloat on my system | 21:23 |
| * Stskeeps gets his ducttape | 21:23 | |
| Macer | lol | 21:23 |
| Macer | Stskeeps uses linux out of necessirty | 21:23 |
| Luke-Jr_ | xnt14: use my super optimizer thing | 21:24 |
| Luke-Jr_ | I wrote it for decompiling BME, but | 21:24 |
| Luke-Jr_ | it managed to reduce my KDE binaries to run in ~2 MB RAM | 21:24 |
| xnt14 | :P, not memory, cpu usage/graphic card usage | 21:24 |
| * xnt14 uses gnome + dwm now | 21:25 | |
| Stskeeps | Macer: after getting owned horribly by a virus on xp, yeah, for first time in a year | 21:25 |
| Stskeeps | i don't do this voluntarily | 21:25 |
| Luke-Jr_ | uh, that's not even a *problem* with KDE | 21:25 |
| Luke-Jr_ | xnt14: GNOME is infinitely more bloated than KDE | 21:25 |
| Luke-Jr_ | at least KDE can run on a N810 | 21:25 |
| Luke-Jr_ | GNOME? forget it | 21:26 |
| slonopotamus | luke-jr_, when you manage to compile kde on tablet, we'll return to 'bloat' talk :) | 21:26 |
| xnt14 | Luke-Jr_, ubuntu-n8x0 | 21:26 |
| xnt14 | Luke-Jr_ it only uses 15mb ram on mine | 21:26 |
| Luke-Jr_ | wtf? | 21:26 |
| xnt14 | custom compiled gnome ftw | 21:26 |
| xnt14 | I modified the source | 21:26 |
| Luke-Jr_ | … | 21:26 |
| xnt14 | my system in one of a kind :P | 21:27 |
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| Luke-Jr_ | slonopotamus: uh, had that done a LONG time ago | 21:27 |
| Luke-Jr_ | the biggest problem is gcc segfaulting randomly | 21:27 |
| slonopotamus | luke-jr_, i remember :) ld, eating all ram, etc | 21:27 |
| Luke-Jr_ | and that shutting down the entire build process :/ | 21:27 |
| xnt14 | compiz takes up 24mb ram on mine :P | 21:27 |
| xnt14 | brb | 21:27 |
| Luke-Jr_ | slonopotamus: ld problem was Qt Webkit | 21:27 |
| Luke-Jr_ | compiz isn't GNOME, and won't work on N810.. | 21:27 |
| slonopotamus | luke-jr_, and? kde can be built without it? | 21:28 |
| slonopotamus | i guess yes | 21:28 |
| slonopotamus | hehe | 21:28 |
| Luke-Jr_ | slonopotamus: not right now :/ | 21:28 |
| slonopotamus | Luke-Jr_, the question is not only toolkits. the thing is that they're written in different languages. | 21:30 |
| Luke-Jr_ | slonopotamus: obviously | 21:30 |
| Luke-Jr_ | GNU's C++ compiler SUCKS | 21:30 |
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| Luke-Jr_ | :/ | 21:30 |
| slonopotamus | have a better one? | 21:30 |
| Luke-Jr_ | no | 21:30 |
| Luke-Jr_ | slonopotamus: want to write an open source BME? | 21:30 |
| slonopotamus | it's on my todo list | 21:31 |
| Luke-Jr_ | ok | 21:31 |
| Luke-Jr_ | hopefully when you get to it, I'll have docs for you | 21:31 |
| Luke-Jr_ | but be forewarned, my N800-vs-N810 diff process was not solid | 21:31 |
| slonopotamus | you mean charge controller or smmth else? | 21:31 |
| Luke-Jr_ | so I can't be sure I've got all the N800 differences | 21:31 |
| Luke-Jr_ | slonopotamus: I'm doing a clean room reverse engineering of the BME | 21:32 |
| Stskeeps | slonopotamus: you want to risk your life and health? :P | 21:32 |
| slonopotamus | what differences? | 21:32 |
| Luke-Jr_ | slonopotamus: bme_RX-34 and bme_RX-44 are completely different apps ;) | 21:32 |
| Stskeeps | eh | 21:32 |
| Luke-Jr_ | I had to filter out addresses to diff them properly | 21:32 |
| Stskeeps | they're symlinked to eachother afaik | 21:32 |
| Luke-Jr_ | Stskeeps: bme_RX-48 is symlinked to bme_RX-44 | 21:33 |
| slonopotamus | but they both just control battery and tell its status or smth else? | 21:33 |
| Luke-Jr_ | so I managed to diff at least the asm instructions | 21:33 |
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| Luke-Jr_ | slonopotamus: for some reason N800 has a different thing | 21:33 |
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| Luke-Jr_ | but like I said, I did a diff on the asm | 21:33 |
| Luke-Jr_ | so I've been documenting what i know of the differences too | 21:34 |
| * slonopotamus almost finished text2screen rewrite | 21:34 | |
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| Luke-Jr_ | I just found the logging function last night | 21:34 |
| Luke-Jr_ | should help a bit | 21:34 |
| Luke-Jr_ | ☺ | 21:34 |
| slonopotamus | hehe | 21:34 |
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| Luke-Jr_ | it's prototype is (int loglevel, const char*format, …) | 21:34 |
| Luke-Jr_ | but I should shut up about that | 21:35 |
| Stskeeps | sure it's not logging into DSME? | 21:35 |
| Luke-Jr_ | don't want to taint you | 21:35 |
| Stskeeps | or syslog | 21:35 |
| Luke-Jr_ | Stskeeps: this is for the -v option | 21:35 |
| Luke-Jr_ | -v 7 enables stdout logging of level 7 | 21:35 |
| Stskeeps | ah | 21:35 |
| Stskeeps | interesting | 21:35 |
| slonopotamus | Luke-Jr_, btw, how's your libcal? :) | 21:35 |
| Luke-Jr_ | slonopotamus: haven't worked on it much :þ | 21:35 |
| Luke-Jr_ | slonopotamus: want me to send you my CAL reading code? | 21:36 |
| Luke-Jr_ | I might need to give it up | 21:36 |
| Luke-Jr_ | BME contains direct CAL manipulation possibly | 21:36 |
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| slonopotamus | okay. i found one more app that talks to /dev/mtd1 - cal-tool. | 21:36 |
| Luke-Jr_ | so having seen that, I might no longer be qualified to write libcal | 21:36 |
| slonopotamus | hehe | 21:36 |
| Stskeeps | Luke-Jr_: nah.. it goes through dsme afaik | 21:37 |
| Luke-Jr_ | Stskeeps: it def doesn't go thru DSME | 21:37 |
| Luke-Jr_ | Stskeeps: BME doesn't even require DSME | 21:37 |
| Luke-Jr_ | slonopotamus: http://pastebin.com/m1600ef1b | 21:37 |
| Luke-Jr_ | that was 100% before i looked at BME | 21:37 |
| Luke-Jr_ | so should be clean | 21:37 |
| Luke-Jr_ | Stskeeps: bme_RX-⁇ -n will not even connect to DSME | 21:38 |
| Luke-Jr_ | err | 21:38 |
| Luke-Jr_ | actually might be -d | 21:38 |
| Stskeeps | Luke-Jr_: hm, i thought so actually | 21:38 |
| Luke-Jr_ | no, it's -n | 21:39 |
| Luke-Jr_ | -d is detach | 21:39 |
| Luke-Jr_ | Stskeeps: it MIGHT go through libcal | 21:39 |
| Luke-Jr_ | but I'm not certain | 21:39 |
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| Stskeeps | libcal -is- dsme communication .. dsme makes sure cal is accessed in a sane manner | 21:40 |
| Stskeeps | it has both communication with dsme but you really dont want conflicting writes in stuff like this | 21:41 |
| Luke-Jr_ | I thought DSME used libcal to access directly? | 21:41 |
| Stskeeps | nah, cal is a wrapper mostly .dsme uses libcal to write however | 21:41 |
| Luke-Jr_ | O.o | 21:41 |
| Stskeeps | AFAIK | 21:41 |
| Luke-Jr_ | well, the code I wrote doesn't use DSME at all :þ | 21:41 |
| Luke-Jr_ | but then, it's also read-only | 21:41 |
| Stskeeps | if it's in libcal you wouldn't see it would you? :P | 21:42 |
| * slonopotamus reads /dev/mtd1 directly too :) | 21:42 | |
| Luke-Jr_ | cal_read_block cal_write_block cal_init cal_finish | 21:42 |
| Luke-Jr_ | those are the functions BME uses from libcal | 21:42 |
| Stskeeps | right, so it communicates with dsme | 21:43 |
| Stskeeps | cal_init connects to DSME :P | 21:43 |
| Luke-Jr_ | ugly :< | 21:43 |
| Luke-Jr_ | btw, my ARM reverse engineering script set has grown to 5 | 21:43 |
| Stskeeps | not really | 21:43 |
| Stskeeps | CAL writing is deadly when in a race condition | 21:44 |
| slonopotamus | anyway. all concept of dsme process looks strange | 21:44 |
| Luke-Jr_ | script 0 identifies function addresses and sizes | 21:44 |
| Luke-Jr_ | script 1 lists all function calls | 21:44 |
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| Luke-Jr_ | script 2 makes graphviz charts from that | 21:44 |
| Luke-Jr_ | script 3 comments the .asm code | 21:44 |
| slonopotamus | Luke-Jr_, isn't there any C decompiler? | 21:44 |
| Luke-Jr_ | script 4 generates Pseudo C from it | 21:44 |
| Luke-Jr_ | script 5 processes .asm for diff | 21:45 |
| Luke-Jr_ | slonopotamus: not that I know of | 21:45 |
| Luke-Jr_ | anyhow, I've learned ARM bytecode in the process | 21:45 |
| Luke-Jr_ | it's nice | 21:45 |
| Luke-Jr_ | liek MIPS | 21:45 |
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| slonopotamus | Luke-Jr_, so. it would be cool if we try to rewrite bme. you see, i'm more programmer than packager :) | 21:52 |
| slonopotamus | text2screen fun: http://git.slonopotamus.org/?p=fb_text2screen;a=blob;f=fb_text2screen.c;hb=HEAD | 21:54 |
| Luke-Jr_ | slonopotamus: I cannot. I am tainted. | 21:54 |
| Luke-Jr_ | I can provide English-language documentation on how Nokia's BME works, though. | 21:55 |
| pupnik | http://pandorawiki.org/Projects_Under_Development#Games | 21:55 |
| xnt14 | ~seen b-man16 | 21:56 |
| slonopotamus | Luke-Jr_, well, i hope studying bme internals gives more info than reading its straces | 21:56 |
| infobot | b-man16 <n=b-man@cpe-98-30-195-117.woh.res.rr.com> was last seen on IRC in channel #maemo, 15h 26m 57s ago, saying: 'it gets annoying'. | 21:56 |
| Luke-Jr_ | slonopotamus: define "studying bme internals"? | 21:56 |
| xnt14 | damn, I need him to upload his apache port :( | 21:57 |
| Luke-Jr_ | slonopotamus: I sure hope you haven't looked at the BME binaries themselves | 21:57 |
| slonopotamus | Luke-Jr_, what you're doing | 21:57 |
| slonopotamus | no | 21:57 |
| Luke-Jr_ | ok | 21:57 |
| slonopotamus | i only read strace output | 21:57 |
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| Luke-Jr_ | if you do, like I am, it kinda invalidates your ability to rewrite it | 21:57 |
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| Luke-Jr_ | hence why I provide you with docs, and you write w/ the docs | 21:58 |
| slonopotamus | i wonder why docs aren't count as derivative and my program as double derivative | 21:58 |
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| RST38h | derivatives are soooo 2008... | 21:59 |
| Luke-Jr_ | RST38h: ? | 22:00 |
| RST38h | Luke: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Derivatives_market | 22:00 |
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| Macer | Stskeeps: can you sway mer over to an opensolaris kernel? | 22:02 |
| Macer | :) | 22:02 |
| Stskeeps | Macer: i would kill for opensolaris on a sheevaplug. | 22:03 |
| Macer | lol | 22:03 |
| Macer | do they have an arm build? | 22:03 |
| Stskeeps | yes, they do | 22:03 |
| Macer | wow. that wasnt expected | 22:03 |
| RST38h | it is probably easier to shove a SPARC into that sheevaplug | 22:03 |
| pupnik | what is that supercheap 7" chinese tablet called? | 22:03 |
| RST38h | smartq | 22:03 |
| lcuk | viagra_super | 22:04 |
| Macer | lol | 22:04 |
| pupnik | ahrr yes thx | 22:04 |
| Macer | that thing is a beast | 22:04 |
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| lcuk | yeah but you will resemble the energizer bunny for 3 straight months | 22:04 |
| Stskeeps | excellent, 666 unread mails | 22:05 |
| Macer | satan is watching | 22:05 |
| Macer | dont open the last one | 22:05 |
| Macer | Stskeeps: no way to put opensolaris on an n8x0? | 22:05 |
| Stskeeps | Macer: not yet i think | 22:05 |
| Macer | damn | 22:06 |
| Stskeeps | you did see sheevaplugs right? | 22:06 |
| Macer | arent they the tiny usb arm based things? | 22:06 |
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| Stskeeps | http://gizmodo.com/5159399/sheevaplug-a-99-linux-pc-crammed-inside-a-wall-plug | 22:06 |
| Macer | hahahaha | 22:07 |
| Macer | wtf? | 22:07 |
| Stskeeps | when you read the specs you salivate :P | 22:07 |
| Macer | i am on my phone now | 22:07 |
| Macer | copy pasting multiple lines = no fun | 22:07 |
| Macer | i will look at it later tho | 22:07 |
| Macer | i want osol on an n810 | 22:08 |
| Macer | that would be beyond awesome | 22:08 |
| Macer | Stskeeps: does ooffice work in mer? | 22:08 |
| Macer | i figured mer was just debian with a hildon type gui | 22:09 |
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| Jaffa | Macer: Basically, yes - it is. I guess OOo will work | 22:10 |
| Stskeeps | Macer: ubuntu but close | 22:10 |
| Macer | i am sure screen space is still an issue | 22:11 |
| xnt14 | Stskeeps: wtf, 1.2Ghz? port mer to that thing :P | 22:11 |
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| xnt14 | well maybe it already runs... | 22:11 |
| Firebird | doesn't mer need a screen? | 22:11 |
| xnt14 | vnc? | 22:11 |
| Stskeeps | xnt14: ubuntu server already exists | 22:11 |
| xnt14 | Stskeeps, for the sheeva plug? | 22:12 |
| Macer | find a way to put opensolaris on it | 22:12 |
| Macer | heh | 22:12 |
| xnt14 | xD | 22:12 |
| Macer | linux is for the birds | 22:12 |
| xnt14 | b-man should buy one of those :P | 22:13 |
| RST38h | Heh, Murray's post collected 19 thumb-ups | 22:13 |
| Luke-Jr_ | hm, looks like it has SDIO internally for expansion | 22:13 |
| xnt14 | so that he can put all the repos he wants without me getting shutdown for violating the dh tos | 22:13 |
| xnt14 | :P | 22:13 |
| * Jaffa 's comments didn't show up :-( | 22:13 | |
| Luke-Jr_ | xnt14: eh? | 22:13 |
| * xnt14 will now have to bug his parents to buy him one of those :P | 22:14 | |
| Luke-Jr_ | xnt14: Firebird: USB monitor? | 22:14 |
| xnt14 | Luke-Jr, http://b-man.xceleo.org/ Im hosting him | 22:14 |
| Luke-Jr_ | b-man.xceleo.org | Welcome | 22:14 |
| Luke-Jr_ | This slideshow requires Adobe Flash Player 9.0 (or higher). JavaScript must be enabled. | 22:14 |
| Luke-Jr_ | Enter | 22:14 |
| xnt14 | :P well if they have an interface for the powersupply :P | 22:14 |
| xnt14 | xDDDDDDDDDDD | 22:15 |
| xnt14 | XDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDD | 22:15 |
| xnt14 | rofl | 22:15 |
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| xnt14 | too funy | 22:15 |
| Luke-Jr_ | Sheeva should get WiFi, and a passthrough power jack | 22:15 |
| xnt14 | *funny | 22:15 |
| Luke-Jr_ | or two | 22:15 |
| xnt14 | Luke-Jr, you don't have flash? :P | 22:15 |
| Luke-Jr_ | xnt14: no. | 22:15 |
| xnt14 | :P | 22:15 |
| xnt14 | w/e | 22:15 |
| xnt14 | http://b-man.xceleo.org/site | 22:15 |
| xnt14 | w/e | 22:16 |
| Luke-Jr_ | imagine a Sheeva with WiFi and 2 power jacks you can control from software ;) | 22:16 |
| Luke-Jr_ | that would be quite handy | 22:16 |
| * xnt14 wants to use the <video> tag once ff3.5 and webkit (with <video>) comes out | 22:16 | |
| xnt14 | :) | 22:16 |
| Stskeeps | Luke-Jr_: attach usb stick? :P | 22:16 |
| xnt14 | remote server reboot/powe cylcle | 22:16 |
| xnt14 | *cycle | 22:16 |
| Luke-Jr_ | xnt14: osnews has a link to some tutorial for backward-compatible <video> | 22:17 |
| xnt14 | or power up remote server | 22:17 |
| Luke-Jr_ | Stskeeps: USB stick won't provide outlets | 22:17 |
| Macer | ok | 22:17 |
| xnt14 | Luke-Jr_, right now? | 22:17 |
| Macer | maybe i missed the memo | 22:17 |
| Macer | wtf is this xd shit? | 22:17 |
| xnt14 | Macer, xD = emotion like :) | 22:17 |
| Macer | uhm | 22:17 |
| Stskeeps | Macer: teenagers.. | 22:17 |
| Stskeeps | :P | 22:17 |
| xnt14 | :P | 22:18 |
| Macer | Stskeeps: lol | 22:18 |
| Stskeeps | Macer: cartman smiley, maybe | 22:18 |
| Luke-Jr_ | xnt14: http://camendesign.com/code/video_for_everybody | 22:18 |
| xnt14 | :þ | 22:18 |
| xnt14 | k | 22:18 |
| xnt14 | thanks | 22:18 |
| Macer | Stskeeps: ok because i honestly had no idea wtf it was | 22:18 |
| * RST38h would be more interested in database backend support if he were you | 22:18 | |
| RST38h | Screw <video> tag, it is not very important | 22:19 |
| Macer | databases...blah | 22:19 |
| Macer | databases = curse | 22:19 |
| xnt14 | Luke-Jr_, o.0 AWESOME | 22:19 |
| RST38h | Macer: whatever curse enables people to develop offline apps in HTML is a good curse | 22:19 |
| * xnt14 starts to implement this in his site | 22:20 | |
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| * xnt14 needs to buy a video camera first :P | 22:20 | |
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| xnt14 | well I do have a crappy flip mino hd :P | 22:20 |
| Macer | RST38h: well. some people wouldnt mind being vampires | 22:21 |
| Luke-Jr_ | http://glinden.blogspot.com/2006/11/marissa-mayer-at-web-20.html | 22:21 |
| Luke-Jr_ | "Half a second delay caused a 20% drop in traffic. Half a second delay killed user satisfaction." | 22:22 |
| RST38h | xnt: a digital camera (not video) like Casio is a better choice nowadays | 22:22 |
| xnt14 | RST38h, yeah...I want a dslr :P | 22:22 |
| * RST38h looks at Macer with a clear gastronomic intent | 22:22 | |
| RST38h | xnt: DSLR won't do video very well, only if you buy an expensive one | 22:23 |
| Macer | wlol | 22:23 |
| RST38h | xnt: A $150 Casio will do the job though | 22:23 |
| Macer | RST38h: watch true blood | 22:23 |
| * RST38h has watched too many vampire soaps already | 22:23 | |
| Macer | if you can get past the hillbillyisms.. it is a great show | 22:23 |
| RST38h | BloodX alone was quite enough | 22:24 |
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| Macer | never saw bloodx | 22:24 |
| mariorz | i just finished the first season | 22:24 |
| mariorz | terrible show | 22:24 |
| mariorz | i feel bad for myself | 22:24 |
| RST38h | Macer: it's an anime | 22:24 |
| Macer | mariorz: lol | 22:24 |
| Macer | true blood? | 22:24 |
| mariorz | yea | 22:24 |
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| RST38h | Macer: a decent one, for that, with the minimal amount of teenage stuff | 22:25 |
| mariorz | and i was a fan of buffy | 22:25 |
| mariorz | first few seasons at least | 22:25 |
| Macer | mariorz: i just want to bang rogue from xmen | 22:26 |
| Luke-Jr_ | Macer: and die? | 22:26 |
| RST38h | Luke: Sorry, I have not reached *this* level yet :) | 22:26 |
| Luke-Jr_ | RST38h: pfft | 22:27 |
| RST38h | Macer: This is kinda limited goal | 22:27 |
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| johnsq | hi | 22:27 |
| Luke-Jr_ | johnsq: o hai | 22:27 |
| RST38h | Macer: No world domination? No extermination of all humankind? | 22:27 |
| Luke-Jr_ | johnsq: we are talking about Macer's desire to "bang rogue from xmen" | 22:27 |
| Luke-Jr_ | RST38h: there is no more goals after he "bangs rogue", as he will be dead | 22:28 |
| Macer | all goals are limited | 22:28 |
| RST38h | Macer: No intention to own and use even a minor doomsday weapon? | 22:28 |
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| Macer | limited or impossible :-P | 22:29 |
| RST38h | who needs possible things? they are all possible... | 22:29 |
| Macer | stoners have unrealistic goals | 22:30 |
| Macer | bbl | 22:30 |
| RST38h | stoners have no goals | 22:30 |
| mariorz | Macer: i found the junky chic hotter, still sadly was not enough | 22:30 |
| RST38h | other than gett stoned | 22:30 |
| mariorz | i want my 12 hours back | 22:30 |
| Luke-Jr_ | RST38h: not practical | 22:31 |
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| RST38h | Luke: what not practical? | 22:34 |
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| VDVsx | bahh wrong url | 22:36 |
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| * Stskeeps yawns | 22:45 | |
| Stskeeps | god.. 3 hours left until i have verified my hds are safe after the mobo crashed on my server | 22:47 |
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| xnt14 | Stskeeps, the tspre servers? | 22:47 |
| RST38h | paranoid. | 22:47 |
| xnt14 | :P | 22:47 |
| * xnt14 is bored | 22:48 | |
| * xnt14 gets back to working on the unity website | 22:48 | |
| xnt14 | | 22:49 |
| xnt14 | oops wrong window :P | 22:49 |
| Stskeeps | xnt14: yeah, it's laying next to me | 22:49 |
| Stskeeps | (bsd / repo) | 22:49 |
| xnt14 | Stskeeps, :/ | 22:49 |
| Stskeeps | data is so far good | 22:50 |
| xnt14 | :) | 22:50 |
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| * xnt14 wonders where the heck is b-man, I need his apache port :P | 23:01 | |
| xnt14 | rm -rf /home/xnt/unity_www/effects_old.js | 23:03 |
| xnt14 | crap wrong window.....again | 23:03 |
| Stskeeps | rm -rf xnt14 | 23:03 |
| xnt14 | ahhhhhhhh :P | 23:03 |
| xnt14 | rm -rf /var/people/Stskeeps/* | 23:03 |
| xnt14 | :P | 23:04 |
| Stskeeps | people? | 23:04 |
| Stskeeps | :P | 23:04 |
| xnt14 | var is for changing file/info people is for people, Stskeeps is where you are, and * is everything in there | 23:04 |
| xnt14 | "rm -rf xnt14" rm: no such file or directory | 23:05 |
| xnt14 | :P | 23:05 |
| xnt14 | ssh -l stskeeps 10.5.1.128 rm -rf / | 23:06 |
| xnt14 | xD | 23:06 |
| xnt14 | jk | 23:06 |
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| xnt14 | well your ip address scheme is probably different than mine :P | 23:06 |
| * xnt14 has 10.5.1.x in his house for client device and 10.6.1.x for servers/routers | 23:07 | |
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| Stskeeps | heh, funny | 23:07 |
| Stskeeps | i have a gps fix inside | 23:07 |
| xnt14 | n810? | 23:08 |
| Stskeeps | yeah | 23:08 |
| xnt14 | o.0 | 23:08 |
| * xnt14 *never* gets a gps fix inside :P | 23:08 | |
| xnt14 | not even once | 23:08 |
| Stskeeps | well i got it outside and took it inside i think | 23:08 |
| xnt14 | :P | 23:08 |
| Stskeeps | i do have a pretty open apartment so | 23:08 |
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| xnt14 | my house is practically enclosed in a faraday cage | 23:09 |
| keesj | what is the point of having a fix inside? I am sure you know where you are... | 23:09 |
| xnt14 | well for gps | 23:09 |
| xnt14 | :P | 23:09 |
| xnt14 | keesj, yeah that too...:P | 23:09 |
| xnt14 | wifi reaches outside fine :P | 23:09 |
| keesj | tomtom is saying "poor reception: are you inside a building" the smart ass | 23:10 |
| GAN800 | Christ | 23:10 |
| * xnt14 is happy that he has wpa2 enterprise radius :P | 23:10 | |
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| Stskeeps | keesj: no point but some claim n810 is shite :P | 23:10 |
| GAN800 | eHow's Google results all redirect to m.ehow.com | 23:10 |
| GAN800 | Useless idiocy | 23:10 |
| xnt14 | GAN800, yup | 23:10 |
| GAN800 | Why did MicroB suddenly become a mobile browser. . . . | 23:11 |
| RST38h | just means they prefer some sites to others now | 23:11 |
| RST38h | but it is a mobile browser | 23:11 |
| GAN800 | Gotta go to the google cache to actually get the content. | 23:11 |
| GAN800 | Bulkshit | 23:11 |
| RST38h | not able to view current "desktop" sites well enough | 23:11 |
| GAN800 | views them just fine over here. | 23:12 |
| keesj | the n810 gps is very poor indeed | 23:12 |
| RST38h | 100% cpu usage and hangups on slashdot and other sites | 23:12 |
| suihkulokki | mmh.. if you get lost inside, gps is probably not the right tool :) | 23:12 |
| Stskeeps | keesj: on the other hand it seems to be excellent as indoor gps ;p | 23:12 |
| xnt14 | what if you have a mansion? | 23:12 |
| Stskeeps | my n810 gps is OK, it looses fix if the keyboard is out.. | 23:12 |
| Stskeeps | :P | 23:12 |
| xnt14 | :P | 23:13 |
| keesj | if (speed > 250 kmp/h) say "are you inside a plane?" | 23:13 |
| suihkulokki | xnt14: you ask your butler where to go | 23:13 |
| RST38h | Sts: Weird, should not happen | 23:13 |
| xnt14 | suihkulokki, yeah.... :P | 23:13 |
| * xnt14 's n810 gps takes 23 mins to get a fix | 23:14 | |
| Stskeeps | xnt14: did you install agps ui and set your initial coordinate OK? | 23:14 |
| Stskeeps | RST38h: the antenna is underneath + - afaik | 23:14 |
| Stskeeps | so if held in my usual way (45 degrees), it will block signal, afaik | 23:14 |
| xnt14 | Stskeeps, no, I don't have much room left on my flash, going to reflash soon, does agpsui work on maemo mapper? | 23:15 |
| RST38h | Sts: yes, but isn't pulling keyboard out making antenna more exposed? | 23:15 |
| Stskeeps | RST38h: i'd say hiding it, but maybe | 23:15 |
| RST38h | Sts: it is supposed to be at the top of the upper half, at the left | 23:15 |
| Stskeeps | xnt14: yes | 23:15 |
| xnt14 | oh :P | 23:15 |
| xnt14 | ill install it once I reflash | 23:15 |
| xnt14 | xD: | 23:16 |
| Stskeeps | RST38h: on the screen? hmm | 23:16 |
| Stskeeps | RST38h: thats' weird it loses fix then | 23:16 |
| * xnt14 's n810 is still running qwerty12's transparency app :P | 23:16 | |
| xnt14 | a bit slugish but w/e | 23:16 |
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| lbt | X-Fade: ping | 23:30 |
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| GAN800 | Slashdot 100%'s my dual G5, what's your point? | 23:34 |
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| johnsq | i see firefox developers never used 800x400 pixel | 23:40 |
| johnsq | bbl | 23:40 |
| RST38h | GAN: Does not 100% my measly Core2 Duo | 23:44 |
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| RST38h | So, I guess your G5 is just running some older browser | 23:44 |
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