IRC log of #maemo for Friday, 2009-06-19

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johnsqhow can i connect with cx3110x and iwconfig to hidden ssid?00:04
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jeremiah_foodthopiekar: ping00:38
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xnt14b-man died.....again xD01:02
xnt14this is what happens when he tries to upload a 800Mb repo to a remote server :P01:03
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lcuk_codingdoes anyone know why inotify would be failing.  does it depend on a specific update01:18
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qwerty12_N810lcuk_coding: I just used the example program from on my N810 and it works fine.01:26
jeremiahlcuk_coding: inotify just rocks - it must be you01:26
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jeremiahqwerty12_N810: What are you using it for?01:27
qwerty12_N810I'm not using it :) - I just wanted to see if it really didn't work under Diablo01:27
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arpia49hello everybody, I'm having some issue with gnome_vfs_seek. With an example that I took from maemo api. As I'm new programing maemo I really don't think it's a bug, but I find some (little) information about this funcktion not working at fedora. Can someone help me to try this example? (sorry about my english)01:37
jeremiaharpia49: Your English is good. :)01:41
jeremiahWhat error messages are you getting?01:41
arpia49jeremiah: well... thanks :) I'm not getting an error, it's just the example is not working. To sum it up: it sould append a chunk of bytes to a file, but actually it's not apending, just replacing.01:44
johnsqopen append, or seek to end.01:45
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arpia49johnsq: the example in the api page seems to be seeking to the end, but... does not work.01:46
johnsqdebug, there should be a tell functions. you can test if seek works.01:48
arpia49i've found if something similar has ever been reported to mailing list or bugzilla... but i only get some similar bug under fedora01:48
arpia49johnsq: i'm going to debug again to be really sure, but i think after call gnome_vfs_seek the handler does not change01:49
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arpia49i'm using eclipse. As I see, the write_handle's value does not change after calling gnome_vfs_seek. I'm not sure if I can check something more.01:54
johnsqany error return code, seek after end of file?01:57
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arpia49johnsq: the result is GNOME_VFS_OK, as anything went well. I expected write_handler value should, change after gnome_vfs_seek. shouldn't it?02:01
johnsqyes atleast it should store the position02:01
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arpia49johnsq: i don't see any change after seeking but i see a change after open (in read_handle) and after create (in write_handle)02:04
johnsqsorry i don't know anything about gnome_vfs, but you can try looking what happen with strace.02:06
arpia49johnsq: thank you very much for your time and guidance. At least I'm more sure that i'm looking in the right place.02:07
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johnsqthis failures are hard to find. sometimes it is gcc code generator failing.02:09
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arpia49johnsq: mmmm... i'll be lloking a little bit more and if don't see the light i will open a bug, maybe someone it's more prepared than me to find it.02:14
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guysoft422hey, is nitdroid usable in any way? is it in progress at all?02:35
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coeus82Hey, does Maemo use webkit framework? I now Tear is a webkit browser, but is the webkit framework compatible with Maemo? I'm not sure if Tear using webkit answers my question03:42
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tonikitoocoeus82, webkit is buildable in maemo, yeah04:02
tonikitoogoogle for "webkit maemo" and it will get you a couples of entries04:02
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lcuk_codingyeah, tux was hungry04:03
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xnt14hello b-man1604:04
xnt14hi :)04:04
penguinbaithey bman!!04:05
xnt14usm is done btw04:05
b-man16hello penguinbait xD04:05
xnt14and it works :)04:05
b-man16awesome :)04:05
xnt14ill put it in the full unity release04:06
xnt14usm = unity server manager btw :P04:06
xnt14and thats unity-menu on the bottom, modified dmenu04:06
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xnt14im back04:13
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xnt14look at his hostname04:16
xnt14bite-me :P04:16
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GeneralAntillesandre__, ping timeout I guess?05:40
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EdLinxnt14: hi, I got my n810 and after the firmware upgrade am loving it.06:34
xnt14EdLin, :)06:46
EdLinit makes my iPod Touch look like a toy. ;-)06:47
xnt14well, now I'm getting an iPhone 3G S and n900 (once its out) so then I don't have to carry blackberry + n810 + ipod touch, just n900 + iPhone06:47
EdLinyou're going to have both t-mobile and at&t accounts?06:48
xnt14now once iphone-dev unlocks the 3G S...06:48
xnt14no I hate att06:48
xnt14att = ripoff06:48
EdLinI'm on Sprint. I tether my n810 to my centro06:48
xnt14then I'll try to enable tethering06:48
xnt14the iphone tether device shows up on a mac as a network interface06:49
xnt14so usb host mode?06:49
xnt14or standard bt tether06:49
EdLinyeah, if you tether a mac to something via USB it appears as a dial-up modem.06:49
* xnt14 doesn't like to physically tether his iphone to his n900 :P06:50
xnt14looks weird06:50
EdLinthe n900 is a 3g device06:50
xnt14since everyone thinks my n900 is a phone06:50
EdLinit almost is06:50
xnt14well, im not paying for an extra contract :P06:50
EdLinI thought the main advantage of the n900 was the 3g? It has a smaller screen, after all.06:51
xnt14imo main advantage of the n900 is omap3 and the accel graphics06:51
xnt14oh and the hi def camera06:51
EdLinI'm not interested in the n900 because of that, I already have a 3g device06:52
EdLinand a contract that isn't on t-mobile06:52
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xnt14im back07:24
EdLinI've got to go to bed, good night, and happy tableteering. ;-)07:27
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xnt14oops too late07:28
xnt14ok then07:28
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* xnt14 plays around with /etc/init.d/hildon-desktop stop ; ssh -l xnt then running some x apps :P how about compiz on the nit :P07:29
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xnt14ROFL "ssh -A -X -T -n "" /usr/bin/x-session-manager" starts compiz for me on my nit, (compiz is rendering on my xps) xD07:33
xnt14and now unlock keyring is bothering me and I can't enter my password because of no hildon-input-method present07:35
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bobpaulis there a way to control volume from shell script? or better yet, stop playback of 'internet radio' applet?07:39
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bobpaulok, i found volume here: . stopping playback would be much better though, if anyone has ideas.07:44
xnt14bobpaul, ask qwerty1207:47
bobpaulhmm media-server restarts itself when needed, so i guess i can just kill it. easier than i thought07:47
xnt14he knows all of that stuff07:47
xnt14ok then07:47
bobpaulbut i'll keep him in mind next time, thanks07:48
bobpauli was thinking i'd have to send dbus messages or something. i seem to remember a shell utility to do that07:48
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xnt14yup I think its dbus_send or something, qwerty probably memorized the maemo fs :P07:50
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* xnt14 spins the compiz cube on his nit :P07:52
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xnt14I have to go to sleep, if you see b-man16 tell him that ill try to sneak on irc xD08:07
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mib_ki4ip4ok. where does micrib store it's temporary  internet files?08:36
* mib_ki4ip4 really needs to know08:37
mib_ki4ip4microb the ddefault browser08:38
timeless_mbp /tmp ?08:41
timeless_mbpwe don't have disk cache08:41
timeless_mbpand it's micrOb not micrIb08:41
timeless_mbpalternatively i suppose you could say /dev/ram or something :)08:42
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thuxin data recovery sense is flashing tablet same than mkfs in hdd or is it like dd in hdd? can you easily recover old data after flashing?09:15
Stskeepsgood morning09:24
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pupnikis there any way to do crossplatform video calls ?10:02
pupniki want to show person thing with camera10:02
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pupnikquick and dirty python app to share cam snaps online?10:06
timeless_mbppupnik: gizmo? :)10:07
timeless_mbpthere once was a windows video call client from nokia for use w/ the n8x010:07
timeless_mbpsadly, i think they stopped offering it10:07
timeless_mbpbut gizmo should work10:08
pupnikgizmo on winxp can do vid?10:08
pupniktheir linux client didnt10:08
pupnikty will try this10:08
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timeless_mbpso, the mac gizmo5 also has video support :)10:33
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timeless_mbpwhat version is that?10:35
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Proteousversion 5....10:42
Proteouser, 4.010:42
JaffaMorning, all10:45
Stskeepsmorning jaffa10:45
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Macerlong night10:59
pupnikdoing what?10:59
Macerwant to go home and wake my son up to go to the beach today10:59
Macerabout to leave in a little while10:59
Macerhave to do something to my fileserver first11:00
Luke-Jr_hide the cp?11:00
Macerso probably wont go to the beach til saturday11:00
MacerLuke-Jr_: maybe if i could figure out how to encipher a zfs11:00
Luke-Jr_Macer: you had better be joking -.-;;11:01
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Luke-Jr_why are storms over so quick?11:01
Macerit needs to rain here11:02
Macerit is so humid outside11:02
Luke-Jr_I opened the window cuz of the storm11:03
Luke-Jr_but it stopped :<11:03
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Maceri have the ac set to -937548.0E11:05
Macerfuck the planet11:05
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Maceri hope the ice caps do melt11:05
Maceri think the green scientists are full of shit11:05
Macerin order to keep their multi billion dollar conglomerate sponsership11:06
Macerthat sells something green11:06
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Macerlike solar panels11:06
Macerwhich probably cause more polution making the raw materials than running a city on coal11:07
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Maceror hybrid cars11:08
Macerwith their toxic batteries11:08
Macerwhat a racket11:08
pupnika 1988 toyota starlet is greener than a prius11:08
pupnikbut we are OT11:08
Luke-Jr_screw coal11:09
Luke-Jr_we need more nuclear plants11:09
Macertell owners of a prius what the chinese slave laborer was thinking when he was stuck in some chemical plant processing nickel11:09
MacerLuke-Jr_: there was 1 major meltdown and a few minor ones and people think nuclear is hiroshima11:10
Macerthere is a brand new nuclear power plant in colorado11:10
Macerit has never been turned on11:11
pupnikas long as waste costs are paid up front...11:11
pupniknot passed down 500,000 years11:11
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Maceryah. too bad uranium is radioactive11:11
Macerthere is always the option to ship it off to the sun11:12
pupnikat what cost11:12
Macerwho cares. make the power industry pay for it11:12
pupnikyou mean the consumer11:13
wndthere is always the option that the transport fails to leave earth gravity11:13
Macerthey will save billions using nuclear power11:13
pupnikas long as waste costs are paid up front...11:13
Macerwnd: tagged indestructable containers.11:13
wndprocessing uranium into nuclear fuel isn't exactly environment friendly either11:14
Macerso there is no such thing as "green power"11:14
Macer"green" is nothing but marketing11:14
Luke-Jr_doesn't the radioactivity go away over time?11:15
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Maceryeah. like a few thousand years it decays depending on the half life11:15
Luke-Jr_so what's wrong with that? :þ11:15
Macerfinding a place to store it for a few thousand years11:15
Macerwhere nobody can get a hold of it and where nobody will go near it.11:16
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Macerso it requires massive amounts of security11:16
wndand where it will not spill back to environment (namely ground water) even in case of major (natural) disaster11:17
Macercant they reprocess the waste?11:17
Maceri know newer gen plants can recycle most of their waste to keep the fusion going11:18
Macerwell. fission while using the recycled materials11:18
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Maceruranium and plutonium are awesome elements11:19
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Macerthey give so much for so little11:19
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wndE=mc^2 doesn't care what 'm' is made of :-)11:22
wndit could be kittens, puppies or even bunnies11:22
Stskeepsradioactive kittens!11:22
wndor sharks with lasers11:23
pupnikupdates for those who pre-ordered ...
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Jaffapupnik: still sounds like they're a long way from production quality mass production11:27
pupnikcase tweaks + ce testing11:29
Jaffa+ video out cable + wifi driver11:29
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hendryis there a package search? i'm looking for webkit packages for maemo diablo 2008
hendryah, i found it diablo/free libwebkit-1.0-1 1.0-svn41128-1maemo311:50
keesjlcuk_coding: I need a stopwatch and an egg timer , that is what I really need in liqbase11:51
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plastunwhat does it mean: GtkWarning: gdk_device_get_axis: assertion device!=NULL failed11:53
plastunthis happens, when I try to emit signal to GtkTextView: gtktextview_widget.emit("button-press-event", event)11:54
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pupnikThe following NEW packages will be installed:12:42
pupnik  e2fslibs e2fsprogs libblkid1 libcomerr2 libss2 libuuid1 ncurses-bin12:42
pupniksafe to d-u?12:42
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lcuk_codingkeesj, yeah should be simple12:57
lcuk_codingciroclock can be repurposed12:58
lcuk_codingand buttons are easy12:58
lcuk_codingstill gotta sort out desktop manager and some other stuff yet tho12:58
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jeremiah2hmm, ignore the topic, it's from yesterday.13:15
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jeremiahThanks VDVsx!13:19
VDVsxjeremiah, np :)13:19
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qwerty12_N810crashanddie would be happy to see his warning is still there :)13:20
timeless_mbpqwerty12_N810: ping13:20
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qwerty12_N810timeless_mbp: hi13:21
timeless_mbpdid you frame my script? :)13:21
timeless_mbpand how do i get the update to the other one? :)13:21
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qwerty12_N810it's in some devel repo somewhere... get an novell account and search for hildon-theme-selector and find the 1.3 version13:22
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qwerty12_N810as for your locale script,  I'll make a start now13:22
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RichiHspeaking of dist-upgrade.. does maemo have a bts which apt-listbugs can query?13:49
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jeremiahRichiH: No, just a bugzilla instance13:51
jeremiahBut that is a big infrastructure to implement.13:52
RST38hmoo, qwerty, jeremiah13:53
qwerty12_N810hi RST38h13:53
pupniki'm trying to persuade a friend to wait for next iphone or N900 - any legit word on release date?13:56
RST38hehlo pupnik13:57
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RST38hpupnik: iPhone has just been released, N900 - probably november13:57
pupnikahh ty13:59
qwerty12_N810timeless: fyi - that estimate on the task is for a few days. while I plan on getting it done before then, it does not say I have to finish it in lightspeed ;)13:59
timeless_mbpqwerty12_N810: how much effort is required?14:00
* timeless_mbp never really looked at how the other script was wrapped14:00
qwerty12_N810not tons as I've already got good foundations but I am a little preoccupied :)14:00
* qwerty12_N810 wonders WTF "Give Maemo to WORLD!!!" is about14:02
Stskeepsqwerty12_N810: o_o?14:03
qwerty12_N810latest thread on t.m.o...14:03
Stskeepsqwerty12_N810: it's a haiku14:03
Stskeepsa broken one, obviously14:03
Stskeepsyou know, i should thank frank.wagner for attracting my interest in smartq devices :P14:04
Stskeepswhat i do find interesting is that people are dropping android right now14:04
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VDVsxStskeeps, dropping ? and they plan to use which os instead ? :P14:09
StskeepsVDVsx: .. windows ce, of all things14:10
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pupnikif wince takes over, i think my lifespan will shorten by 5 years14:12
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VDVsxbut why windows 'crap' CE, M$ pay them to use it :)14:14
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jeremiahmoo RST38h14:17
jeremiahI would think _before_ November because there is a maemo conference around then14:17
JaffaYeah, worst case I can imagine would be at or before the summit (especially with a lot of the Nokia focus at the summit on Harmattan). That'd be *crazy* if fremantle weren't final14:20
suihkulokkiStskeeps: funny, someone called ericcw submits a slashdot article that gives three links to anti-android articles on.. computerworld!14:20
Stskeepssuihkulokki: i should really stop reading slashdot14:20
suihkulokkiStskeeps: I recommend :)14:23
andre__slashdot is a waste of time14:23
lbtandre__: wherease #maemo ....14:24
Stskeepslbt: at least you learn a lot of things in here14:24
lbtyeah, interesting slashdot articles.... :)14:24
lbtspeaking of learning :
andre__lbt, hehe14:25
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timeless_mbpsuihkulokki: where are you?14:29
* timeless_mbp is hungry14:29
lbtsuihkulokki isn't a snack!14:30
lbtwe need him!14:30
timeless_mbpmaybe suihkulokki knows where snacks can be found?14:30
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lizardoX-Fade: do you remember about that "Permission denied (publickey,keyboard-interactive)."  error that sometimes happen when using dput ? I just found out that when I get this error many times, if I go to and reupload my SSH public key (even if it is the same!) it works again :) Looks like the public key gets corrupted somehow14:32
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lizardoX-Fade: or it might just be a coincidence... I'll be monitoring anyway14:36
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RST38hAnyone seen murrayc's post?14:51
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Stskeepson planet, right?14:53
RST38hSo, things ARE in fact as messed up as I suspected =(14:53
Stskeepsi agree with his points, at least14:53
murraycMy opinions don't become facts by me expressing them.14:54
RST38hmurrayc: "API X behaves differently now" is not an opinion, it is a fact.14:54
RST38hAre original GTK+ widgets still available for application writers, BTW?14:55
Stskeepsi would assume so since mer doesn't keel over completely14:55
JaffaRST38h: They are; and they behave incorrectly for the Maemo HIG14:55
murraycYes, though most will just look wrong. There's a bug open saying that some documentation should say which ones even have proper theming supported.14:56
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* RST38h wonders if the new brave API can be simply ignored whenever necessary (i.e. when porting XChat, Pidgin, etc)14:56
* Jaffa has always been of the opinion - since OS2005 days - that an OO system should have the impl switched out and a new one put in its place if the behaviour is to change, but the public API of said widget is unchanged.14:56
JaffaRST38h: It can, and things'll look "wrong"14:57
RST38hJaffa: It is more complcated than the ideal OO approach you are describing14:57
_berto_in principle old apps should just work with few or no changes14:57
_berto_the old api is still there14:57
Jaffamurrayc: Do you touch on the fact that the buttons need correct *additional* properties to set to get the correct button height, sizing & themeing?14:57
RST38hJaffa: But having a superset would probably achieve what you want14:57
RST38hmurrayc: Now "...and this is wrong" is an opinion, which I wholly support.14:58
ShadowJKandroid's hype is fading and people are realizing it isn't really all that hot :/14:58
murraycJaffa: Not in my post really. I think new API/concepts should go upstream to GTK+ where possible. It should at least be attempted.14:58
Stskeepsmaemo gtk is probably the worst problem the maemo platform has14:58
RST38hmurrayc: from what I have seen, the fremantle UI appears to be merging with the S60 UI in the way it looks14:59
Stskeepsin terms of getting apps for maemo going on other platforms14:59
JaffaIt's amazing that after so much effort goes into justifying it; Qt's getting it right by auto-adapting to the UI conventions of the platform14:59
RST38hmurrayc: Won't be suprised if the task was stated as "make UI compliant with S60 guidelines"14:59
RST38hmurrayc: In this case, I am not sure GTK+ guys will appreciate these changes pushed upstream14:59
murraycStskeeps: Do many people really want to port maemo apps to regular desktops?14:59
murraycRST38h: The process of going upstream makes changes sane and acceptable to upstream.15:00
RST38hJaffa: is it? is there a screenshot or two?15:00
RST38hmurrayc: no way they can keep changes sane and match S60 UI in the same time15:00
_berto_Jaffa: the problem is that if we change existing widgets too much we could break old apps15:00
RST38hS60 UI is really *different*15:00
Jaffa_berto_: But old apps are "broken" according to the UI standards anyway; even if they're using Hildon* widgets15:01
murraycIt's a hard line to walk.15:01
_berto_Jaffa: they should look more or less like before15:01
_berto_and that was the goal15:01
_berto_we can't make old apps look like fremantle apps just by changing gtk widgets15:01
_berto_there's now way to e.g. convert the menus15:01
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murraycOn the other hand, platforms such as Android, MacOS, or Moblin mostly ignore porting of UI code. They have completely new UI APIs so all API code is written from scratch anyway. It's hard to think that's better.15:02
ShadowJKHow does this affect ease of porting normal gtk apps to maemo?15:02
Jaffa_berto_: From the tmo thread on the Fremantlification of gPodder, there've been numerous times when kanishou's said "set the height from auto to HILDON_THUMB_SIZE [or something]" to correctly size & theme a HildonButton. Why not do that by default to correct the dozen or so pixels it changes.15:02
RST38hmurrayc: They can afford ignoring15:02
RST38hmurrayc: Maemo can't: too much dependence on third-party open source apps15:03
Jaffamurrayc: At least you've got a definitive reference in one place; and only one API to learn. As you say, anyone with existing Gtk+ skills gets confused; and anyone without them can't just follow at Gtk+ tutorial to get up to speed15:03
RST38hmurrayc: and developers too15:03
_berto_Jaffa: if we do that indiscriminatly we would possible break old apps, I'd rather have an old app maintain its look (even if it's only usable with a stylus) than break apps that were already working15:04
JaffaRST38h: Except you've got to heavily rewrite the UI code, and you can get something working - but not "correctly" - without knowing where the broken bits are15:04
ShadowJKmurrayc, i think apple and android have enough hype that they can force developers to learn new things. I would say nokia does not have that clout, and their biggest concern right now is attracting developrs. Symbian is, well, "very" developer-hostile. A year or so nokia ppl seemed to have the attitude that "developers don't matter". I hope apple store and such have changed their mind, though I guess it takes longer for such a big corporation to change15:04
ShadowJKtheir attitude :-(15:04
Jaffa_berto_: Except the changes to the dialogue boxes reduce the horizontal space available; labels no longer fit - the goal is flawed anyway15:04
Jaffa(albeit laudable)15:05
_berto_Jaffa: yes, in some cases we had no choice15:05
_berto_but believe me, that was (and is) the goal15:05
RST38hJaffa: Not much chance that anyone will rewrite their UI specifically for Maemo :(15:05
murraycShadowJK: There are many symbian developers, though I wouldn't want to be one.15:05
JaffaI think the most important point murrayc makes (and has been made in Bugzilla) is that if this was done openly; a better discussion - and result - would've occurred.15:06
RST38hberto: Judging from screenshots, there is a plenty of places with choice15:06
ShadowJKmurrayc, I recently remember someone at nokia basically saying that they symbian developers that exist outside of nokia are paid by nokia to be there :-)15:06
RST38hberto: Choice made incorrectly that is =)15:06
RST38hShadowJK: Where can I get my money? =)15:06
murraycShadowJK: I think there's far more than would be possible if it was only that.15:07
murraycShadowJK: But I'm only guessing.15:07
_berto_RST38h: don't know, I could try to discuss each particular case with you15:07
RST38hJaffa: Discussing things openly is not sufficient. Nokia must be prepared to listen and make changes and it is not, so discussing it openly is kinda pointless15:07
RST38hberto: Actually, I would love that15:07
ShadowJKmurrayc, well it's pretty marginal compared to what you could tap into with the GTK and QT crowds :-)15:07
murraycRST38h: It depends on the individuals. Diablo's upstreaming of GTK+ changes was very healthy.15:08
RST38hberto: Let me bring up the screenshots and ask a few questions, ok?15:08
_berto_RST38h: not now, I'm about to go for lunch :)15:08
RST38hmurrayc: Yea, but Diablo's GTK+ is still GTK+15:08
RST38hberto: Acknowledged.15:08
_berto_and fremantle's gtk is gtk too15:08
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murraycI like GTK+.15:08
murraycI'd like to see it ported properly to a Maemo-like device.15:09
lbtmurrayc: Mer?15:09
murraycI know nothing of mer yet.15:09
plastunhm, a created pop-up GtkDialog with GtkEntry. When it shows, I can't put cursor in GtkEntry. What's wrong?15:09
lbtwe'd love to help manage the port15:09
lbtMer is "open-maemo"15:09
lbtcommunity version of it15:10
lbtbackport of fremantle to N8x0/N770 will happen (is happening) there15:10
murrayclbt: You are working on Qt, right, or have I confused you with someone?15:11
lbtI do work on Qt :)15:11
lbtbut I'm happy to help get gtk+ working on Mer15:11
lbtthere I'm a packager/manger15:11
lbtI was trying to package up gtk+ on gitorious15:12
murrayclbt: I think I've come across your name in djcb/ac circles too.15:12
lbtI did glib2.015:12
lbtdjcb ?15:12
murraycThen I am confused.15:13
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_berto_Jaffa: the thing with open development from the very beginning is that it would reveal UI specs of the new device very soon, I understand that nokia doesn't want to do that15:13
lbtI've been around linux a while... some lkml, did some git docs, linux-raid ...15:13
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lbtanyhow, we want to support gtk+ in Mer but we have skill resource issues which hamper us a touch15:15
lbtmurrayc: FWIW Mer will be the upstream for UbuntuMID too15:16
murrayclbt: Excellent.15:16
lbtso if you want to help us get gtk+/hildon supported there....15:16
lbtMer is trying to be a foundation for touchscreen devices15:17
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lbtso focus on libraries and apps with touch extensions/adaptations15:17
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Stskeepslbt, that statemnt is confusing - we have maemo gtk, but integrating this into gtk in a manner that maemo gtk can run alongside15:17
murrayclbt: That's not likely, I'm afraid. I spend only half the week working, and half taking care of my son. Life is already rather full.15:18
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Stskeeps'support' is a wide word15:18
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lbtit is...15:18
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Stskeepssorry, on crap gprs15:19
lbtnp murrayc ... are you working on maemo-gtk though?15:19
lbtOK :)15:19
lbthmm.... just reading the backlog and cf'ing the way Qt/Maemo is trying to push back upstream (but not quite doing it yet AFAICT)15:21
_berto_lbt: maemo-gtk is being maintained by imendio/lanedo15:22
lbt_berto_: ta15:23
_berto_lunch, bye!15:24
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plastunguys! Help me15:25
* lbt shoots the monster chasing plastun15:26
* lbt blows the gun barrel15:26
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plastunwhen i run GtkDialog with GtkEntry, GtkEntry is not editable15:27
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plastunwhen I set type of GtkDialog as ToplevelWindow it's work, but it place all screen. When I set type of GtkDialog as popup - gtkEntry is not editable15:28
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timeless_mbplbt: what's cf'ing?15:35
lbtGtk+ is for the C language; cf Qt15:36
* timeless_mbp still doesn't get it15:36
lbt"compared with"15:36
lbtcf'ing : a new "irc brain-to-finger" word15:37
lbtmurrayc: I wonder if the main issue that gtk+/hildon and Qt/hildon suffer from is that they were implemented more than designed?15:38
RST38hlbt: whole gtk+ has been implemented rather than designed :)15:38
murrayclbt: Yes, there seems to be more emphasis on getting it done than doing it right.15:39
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lbtI *hope* the core Qt guys can take the Hildon stuff and re-implement the right way.15:40
timeless_mbpmurrayc: you mean someone wanted to ship a product instead of draw pretty architecture diagrams?15:40
lbttimeless_mbp: disposable software ?15:41
lbtsadly although hardware designs can be reimplemented every time, in an Open world, the foundation design sticks around *forever*15:41
timeless_mbplbt: you've clearly never suffered from Symbian15:42
timeless_mbpthey're closed and they get to suffer from bad foundation design too :)15:42
lbtheh ... actually I'd say Symbian is open in the sense I mean15:43
lbtthey made a public API15:43
timeless_mbpoh we made a public api15:43
timeless_mbpand like symbian, no one in their right mind would want to use it :)15:43
lbtyeah - and the pain is in living with it...15:43
lbtsadly the cost of living with it seems too hard to quantify and hence justify improved early design15:44
lbtwell known issue I know15:44
RST38hSymbian's foundation is very very good15:44
RST38hSo good and solid and big15:45
* RST38h cackles evilly15:45
* lbt has no clue about Symbian15:45
lbtI wonder if the Nokian devs can get some support from the TrollTech managers? Or maybe the focus on architecture in Harmattan is a result of this? (timeless)15:47
* timeless_mbp wonders too15:47
timeless_mbpI think the focus on architecture if there is one is that we're growing up, so we want to have more signs that say "architecture"15:48
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timeless_mbpi know there has been talk about people "architecting" "things"15:48
timeless_mbpbut that doesn't mean that i'd approve of any of them :(15:48
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murraycSymbian was presumably heavily optimized for hardware (and "OS") that had massively different capabilities..15:49
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timeless_mbpnor does it mean the things that interest you will get an architecture you'll like :/15:49
murraycIf Symbian can do true multiprocessing/multithreading now, I doubt that it could at the start.15:49
RST38hmurrayc: Symbian APIs actually look ok15:50
RST38hmurrayc: They do not seem to suffer from heavy optimization15:50
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RST38hmurrayc: What they DO seem to suffer from is their authors' megalomania15:50
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timeless_mbpyeah, i think symbian suffered more from adding the wrong functions at the wrong times15:51
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timeless_mbpnot so much from premature optimization15:51
RST38hmurrayc: For example, all three UI frameworks are a mess15:51
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murraycRST38h: Current symbian devices suggest that Symbian is still not a real OS.15:51
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RST38hmurrayc: Dead wrong.15:52
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RST38hmurrayc: It is a real OS.15:52
RST38hmurrayc: It has got problems, but it is pretty nice as an OS15:52
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RST38hmurrayc: Asynchronous, multithreaded, real time OS15:53
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timeless_mbpreal time?15:53
RST38hLots of problems come from the "asynchronous" part, because the designers (in a fit of clinical megalomania) made lots of crucial processes asynchronous15:53
RST38hAs result, Symbian spends lots of time deadlocked, and when it is not, there are funny race conditions15:54
RST38hThere are three UI frameworks.15:54
timeless_mbponly 3?15:54
timeless_mbpS60, UIQ, Brew,?15:55
RST38hSymbian's own Eikon is the most stable one, but it has been cannibalized by Nokia (Avkon) and Sony (Eikon)15:55
RST38hBrew has no relation to Symbian15:55
RST38hSony - Uikon, sorry15:55
RST38hBetween Avkon and Uikon, Uikon is the most developed one, you can actually use it15:55
RST38hNokia's Avkon (aka S60) is just a bunch of APIs thrown on top of Eikon, none of them work very well15:56
timeless_mbpsorry, BREW was Qualcomm's15:56
RST38hIn other words, what Nokia is doing to GTK+ in Maemo5 is turning it into Avkon15:56
* timeless_mbp never really paid attn to mobile phones :)15:56
RST38hSymbian uses resource compilation where some messy C-struct-like language is used to compile actual structs used by the UI15:58
RST38hThe UI (all three frameworks) actually crash (and sometimes take the OS with them) if you make as much as a one-character mistake in the resource definition15:58
RST38hResource editing is mostly done by following examples found online15:58
timeless_mbpok, so epoc16 was single user preemptive multitasking :)15:59
RST38hSo, this is about it15:59
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Stskeeps <- ooh.15:59
wazdhello maemo15:59
Stskeepshello wazd16:00
RST38hheya wazd16:00
timeless_mbpStskeeps: hideous contracts attached16:00
timeless_mbpsounds yum16:00
timeless_mbpand only one client16:00
RST38hwazd: _berto_ over here agreed to listen to our complaints about Maemo5 UI16:00
RST38hwazd: Care to explain to him? (at least, when he gets back from lunch)16:01
timeless_mbplunch at 4pm?16:01
timeless_mbpsounds like a good idea16:01
* timeless_mbp wonders where he is16:01
wazd <- what do you think bout that icon style? (probable style for Mer)16:02
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RST38hwazd: What is the white thing?16:03
wazdRST38h: Well, I'll tell him what he's doing wrong and he'll get the money for it?) Sounds like a bad deal for me :D16:03
timeless_mbpRST38h: so, technically s80 was its own ui built on symbian, right? :)16:03
RST38hwazd: Frankly, I wouldn't care who gets money for this as long as this abomination does not reach release.16:04
wazdRST38h: that's just different backgrounds examle16:04
RST38hS80 probably was just another UI framework16:04
RST38hSome other Screwkon or something16:04
timeless_mbpwazd: so you're offering a shadow16:04
RST38hwazd: Ah ok16:04
timeless_mbpwhich on average won't be seen16:05
timeless_mbpthat seems.... odd16:05
RST38hwazd: I would put a smaller version of the Image Viewer icon on the image folder16:05
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timeless_mbpwazd: are those categories, folders, programs, or something else?16:05
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RST38hwazd: Given how small these icons are going to be, would rather go for stylization than photographic quality16:05
* timeless_mbp would use bigger main icons w/ much smaller folder icons16:05
wazdtimeless_mbp: well, Mer runs on huge variety of hardware, including desktops, not only low color n8*0 screens, so a shadow can add a bit eye-candy for tem :)16:06
Stskeepsdesktops aren't primary focus though :P16:06
timeless_mbpwazd: i'm not saying shadows are bad16:06
timeless_mbpi'm just noting....16:06
timeless_mbpwhat is the plus folder?16:06
timeless_mbpis it misc?16:06
timeless_mbpif so, i'd rather three shapes instead of a plus16:07
timeless_mbpa pyramid, a cube, and a sphere16:07
wazdtimeless_mbp: it's general_add_folder.png :)16:07
lcukyou were better having the list of things that are currently kept in "my selection" - the original current top level menu of things you use most16:07
wazdRST38h: well, they are not that small to start simplifying things :)16:08
* timeless_mbp considers poking the vpn to see what this stuff is16:08
wazdlcuk: folders are there just to show them in the real environment, nothing serious :)16:08
Stskeepswe can't use the fremantle sdk icons hence we're making our own / grabbing our own :P16:09
wazdtimeless_mbp: for misc folders I wanted to make different folder colors built in16:09
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wazdanyway, I can remove shadow if you like to :)16:10
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wazdbut to my mind shadow ads some dimension to the picture16:11
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sarowerI am going to install maemomm inside scratchbox...(Maemo sdk 5, Fremntle). For this i have added the following two repositories.."deb fremantle free16:14
sarowerdeb-src fremantle free". But when i am running "apt-get update"16:14
sarowerit is giveing this error "gzip: stdin: invalid compressed data--format violated16:14
sarowerErr fremantle/free Packages16:14
sarower  Sub-process gzip returned an error code (1)"16:14
sarowerFailed to fetch  Sub-process gzip returned an error code (1)16:14
sarowerReading package lists... Done16:14
sarowerE: Some index files failed to download, they have been ignored, or old ones used instead.16:14
sarowerany body any help?16:14
Stskeepssarower: i think there's problems with repo atm16:15
sarowercan you please explain this...16:15
Stskeepssarower: as in it's not a problem you have, it's a problem everyone has16:16
sarowerbut i have used this 2/3 days ago16:17
Stskeepsyes, but it's a problem right now :)16:17
Stskeepstemporary one16:17
saroweroh problem of the repository?16:17
sarowerI have nothing to do?16:17
X-Fadesarower: I'll check. It seem that the packages file is corrupted.16:17
Robot101does bergie IRC?16:18
sarowerStskeeps: let see what happen next week!!16:18
sarowerwhether the repo become ok or not16:19
StskeepsRobot101: yeah, he is on occasionally16:19
Stskeeps~seen bergie16:19
infobotbergie <> was last seen on IRC in channel #maemo, 4d 8h 36m 52s ago, saying: 'prahal: that "forum" is mailing list archives imported into forum software'.16:19
X-FadeRobot101: Yes, but not on Juhannus ;)16:20
sarowerStskeeps: what do you say amout this?16:20
X-Fadesarower: zcat: Packages.gz: invalid compressed data--format violated16:20
X-Fadesarower: I'll try to regenerate them.16:20
sarowerX-Fade: telling about my problem?16:21
X-Fadesarower: yes16:21
sarowerbut my problem is: you please see above..."gzip: stdin: invalid compressed data--format violated16:22
sarower<sarower> Err fremantle/free Packages16:22
sarower<sarower>   Sub-process gzip returned an error code (1)"16:22
sarowerdo you want to generate this?16:22
X-Fadesarower: Yes, I manage that repository.16:23
X-FadeSo I can regenerate it ;)16:23
sarowerright now?16:23
X-FadeOf course ;)16:23
sarowerso what is the conclusion?16:23
sarowerwe can not install it now!16:24
X-Fadesarower: That you have to wait for 10 mins until the regeneration finishes.16:24
X-Fadesarower: Take a cup of coffee and relax.16:24
sarowerok man16:24
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timeless_mbpso... our cross reference these days doesn't include images16:28
timeless_mbp... hence i can't see any internal art :(16:28
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sarowerX-Fade! anything update!16:37
StskeepsX-Fade: i'm not entirely sure caffeine is such a good suggestion16:38
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GAN800Getting a GPRS connection in the morning has now become a Windows-style reboot-fest troubleshooting session.16:42
RST38hBad ground station.16:46
* RST38h had to reboot his phone at a specific spot of the bus router for three months in a row, then the problem went away16:46
ShadowJKI have gprs/3g with two different operators. With one of them, it drops frequently, and sometimes needs the reboot cycle to connect. With the other, it never drops and stays connected weeks.16:48
ShadowJKI thought it was the phone, but I swapped sim cards around and the phone that had been unstable requiring reboots became rock solid, and the one that had been rock solid became unstable :)16:49
ShadowJKunstable/stable wrt gprs16:49
X-Fadesarower: Try now?16:50
sarowerX-Fade: ok16:50
timeless_mbpandre__: i presume that you can't use up/down if you aren't using an english key layout :)16:52
timeless_mbpplease don't oversell what fremantle offers :)16:52
Stskeepsit's only scandinavia anyway16:52
Stskeeps(.. only)16:52
ShadowJKscandinavia comes without arrow keys? :-)16:52
andre__timeless_mbp, i think you can according to specs that i have seen16:52
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Stskeepsandre__: take a look at xkb-data16:53
timeless_mbpandre__: my memory is that some arrow keys are not included16:53
timeless_mbpi can't remember which :)16:53
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X-Fadetimeless_mbp: I'm sure there are ctrl modifiers for that ;)16:53
timeless_mbpX-Fade: don't be so sure16:53
timeless_mbpwe were planning on not including a certain modifier in another app16:53
andre__well, that's all i can say here: i've seen specs16:53
timeless_mbpandre__: i read them when they gave me a proto16:53
timeless_mbpthey were clear it wasn't included... but i didn't pay close attn. it was just amusing16:54
* Stskeeps wanders off to try and get a psu working16:54
timeless_mbpi went through that app earlier this week and encountered it while being guided through that app16:54
ShadowJKStskeeps, surely you're not trying to fix a dead psu..16:54
timeless_mbpi asked "wouldn't a modifier make sense for the other behavior"16:54
timeless_mbpthe guy guiding me said "oh yeah"16:54
timeless_mbpthe rest of the week people spent arguing over which is the default and which is modiifed16:54
timeless_mbpeven money says they don't ship support for the modifier16:55
timeless_mbpas for browser... we have plans to support i think 3 modified things16:55
timeless_mbpi can't remember which they are, and i believe they won't be documented in the help16:55
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X-Fadetimeless_mbp: There will be help?16:55
timeless_mbpactually, good question16:56
X-Fadetimeless_mbp: I thought help was deprecated?16:56
timeless_mbps/help/documentation or user guide/16:56
ShadowJKIt would be great if some days keyboard layouts could be standardized across devices :) It's kinda annoying when N810 and E75 have completely different layouts :/16:56
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timeless_mbpShadowJK: i'd settle for fn-* being consistent across languages on the n80016:57
timeless_mbpthe did a rotate left one key thing for a block of 5 keys including * () / ? iirc16:57
timeless_mbpi'm sure that on a substandard keyboard it was incredibly important not to be consistent across key layouts16:58
ShadowJKAtleast on N800 OSK there's a language swithc button so I can switch to Eng and get the ()/* things :)16:58
timeless_mbpoh i meant n810, sorry16:58
timeless_mbpperhaps to ensure that people would have to buy the right version of the n810 ? :)16:58
X-FadeAnd hiding - under fn bothered me too ;)16:58
ShadowJKhey, are the CHR+key combos documented anywhere?16:58
timeless_mbpunlikely :)16:59
ShadowJKhm, I think - isn't under Fn for me on Scandinavian N81016:59
_berto_timeless_mbp: it was 14:30 when I went out for lunch :)16:59
timeless_mbpmaybe in andre__ 's doc?16:59
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X-FadeShadowJK: no, but it was on the developer device.16:59
ShadowJK- is under Fn on my E75 too16:59
timeless_mbp_berto_: well it's 5:00 and i'm off to lunch17:00
_berto_RST38h, wazd: if you have questions about the hildon I'm glad to help you, but I'd appreciate if you used e-mail as i'm going to be a bit busy during the afternoon :)17:00
timeless_mbpthat's close to 4:30, right? :)17:01
_berto_my timezone is CEST17:01
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timeless_mbp_i'm in HEL and conveniently ignoring your 117:02
_berto_but in HEL people have lunch very early17:02
* ShadowJK just had lunch17:02
ShadowJKor dinner rather, I guess17:02
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_berto_timeless_mbp_: i'm in galicia, atlantic coast of spain17:03
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wazd_berto_: nope, no questions :)17:33
_berto_wazd: ah, I thought you had :?17:34
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Stskeepsgah, dead motherboard17:35
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GAN800Somebody mind filling in 'fail' for the status on my tasks last month? ;)17:39
crashanddieGAN800, FAIL17:40
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JaffaGAN800: I have an action of asking if you need/can get help resolving your "VCS issues"17:40
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wazdGAN800: you're failing even in filling "fail" staus? :D17:45
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xnt14[server]well I'm (xnt14) waking up :P17:56
xnt14[server]I don't have an exam today17:56
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b-man16i'm back :)17:58
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xnt14[server]im booting up my xps17:58
xnt14[server]well, my server is running 24/7 and I can use it as a bot or as a regular irc client17:59
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xnt14[server]thats why you weren't able to use the bot part of it the other day, I had a FIFO open, then I just wrote a script to sned/receive18:00
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b-man16ah, ok18:01
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bobpaulwhat tthe heck. maemo port of xchat doeesn't allow hiding join/part? I swear it used to...18:36
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xnt14bobpaul, /join and /close18:37
Macerit is raining hard18:37
b-man16where are you?18:38
xnt14Macer, it was raining like hell yesterday18:38
* b-man16 hot slamed by sever t-storms this morning18:38
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xnt14it sounds like server :P18:39
b-man16and it's suppose to be 87 - with more storms and the possibility of hail18:39
Macerit's shitty18:40
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Macercant take my son outside18:40
b-man16i'm getting your storm in a fuew hours xD18:40
Macerlots of thunder18:41
* b-man16 loves sever weather - especially tornados xD18:41
Macerno tornadoes here18:41
Maceror earthquakes18:42
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b-man16i ran outside of my house once to take a picture of one18:42
Maceror hurricanes18:42
inzor fog18:42
inzoh, nevermind...18:42
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* xnt14 reads slashdot because he is bored18:42
Macerheh. we get some cold winters18:43
inzxnt14, do you read slashdot or slashdot comments?18:43
xnt14inz, both I guess18:43
inzxnt14, ok, if you only read the news, that wouldn't bee too bad18:44
Maceri cant use that link18:44
xnt14"Developer Tools: Of course Internet Explorer 8 wins this one. There's no need to install tools separately, and it offers better features like JavaScript profiling." ~IE8 BS Marketing18:44
xnt14ok ill repost it18:44
Macertoo long for me to bother trying it on my phone :)18:44
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Macerwish connectbot had link detection18:45
Macerwhat is the point to ms making ie?18:45
b-man16good question18:45
Maceri mean. what do they gain?18:45
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Macerim being serious ;)18:46
Maceri love the ssl cert green bar racket18:46
xnt14just leave out the browser or add a app to dl ff off of the internet18:46
Maceri guess that?18:46
Macerthe green bar ssl cert18:47
Maceryou know. the extremely overpriced ssl certs that give a green bar in ie?18:48
bobpaulxnt14: even rebooted. I can press and hold (right click) in the channel window and user list but not the chan/server list18:48
xnt14Macer, yup that is stupid18:49
xnt14bobpaul, :/18:49
xnt14reinstall xchat?18:50
bobpauli guess... or rm the .xchat folder18:50
lbtbobpaul: thanks for the bug reports ;)18:51
bobpaulbut it should work? it's just me?18:51
bobpaulfor shopper? np18:51
xnt14bobpaul, my xchat works fine :/18:51
bobpaulok. then mine will, too... eventually ;)18:52
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GAN800wazd, apparently.19:00
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GAN800Jaffa, Mercurial hates me, but I think timeless fixed it I just need to resolve this insanity with Apple. . . .19:01
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dnearyGeneralAntilles: Ping?19:30
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keesjnot all pure ascrii art ....19:44
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JaffaGAN800: Send me a MacBook Air and I'll sort it for you ;-)19:52
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jewardHi, I just turned on a Nokia n810 that hasn't been used in a couple of months and it has no software updates available... is that reasonable?20:05
jewardIs OS2008 being replaced or... just really stable?20:06
skiburhum..... which is the latest Diablo?20:07
RST38hit is being abandoned20:07
skibur?  Diablo?20:07
skiburso  which firmware is up to par?20:08
skiburMer maybe?20:08
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jewardMy debian_release says: testing/unstable20:10
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jewardHow do I tell if I have the latest/best OS?20:11
Stskeepscheck "about product" in control panel20:11
jewardIs that the good stuff?20:12
Stskeepsah, not most recent then20:12
andre__*meep*. 5.2008.43-7 is the latest20:12
jewardHow do I get there?20:12
andre__install the updates that are offered to you20:12
andre__or reflash:
jewardIt says no updates available.20:13
pupnikit should20:13
andre__sure the correct repositories (catalogues) are enabled?20:13
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jewardNot sure of much at this point.20:13
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lcukkeep them simple and standalone, then you can group them and combine them into bigger peieces naturally20:14
lcukdamn wrong chan20:14
jewardHow do I check the repositories?20:14
jewardI forget.20:14
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jewardOkay, found it.20:15
jewardI have: Nokia catalog20:15
jeward3rd party software20:15
jewardSystem Software updates20:15
jewardand Extras.20:16
jewardSeem complete?20:16
GAN800dneary, pong?20:16
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jewardAll seem to point at
dnearyGAN800: Sorry too late to talk20:17
dnearyI just wanted to know exactly what was expected from "Brainstorm documentation"20:18
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dnearyI suspect "copy Ubuntu's" would be enough :)20:18
GAN800Haven't even had time to load it yet.20:18
dnearyAnyway, buy20:18
GAN800email. . . .20:18
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jewardAnybody have any idea how to get my system updated?  I don't really want to reflash if I don't have to.20:19
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pupniki dunno20:20
pupniki reflashed20:20
jewardIf I backup and restore, will I lose the e-books I've downloaded?20:21
xnt14jeward, backup just backs up everything in your MyDocs Directory20:21
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pupniki manually backed up things i wanted to keep20:22
jewardI'll move them there if they aren't already.20:22
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udovdhwhat is the latest/best what I should flash in my n810?20:25
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xnt14udovdh, diablo20:38
xnt14nokia n810 or n800?20:39
udovdhis there a working respin yet?20:40
xnt14:) np20:40
udovdhI have diablo in there already20:40
xnt14just type in your wifi mac20:40
xnt14lopz, hi20:40
lopzheya xnt14 ;)20:40
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johnsqslonopotamus: welcome, xserver 1.6 running, problem is the n810 keyboard21:46
slonopotamusjohnsq, hello. you need to catch luke-jr, he has n810 too. but i could try. what kind of a problem?21:47
Stskeeps10 bucks on Fn21:48
johnsqslonopotamus: FN key isn't working, if i have read it correct, x11 only supports 256 keys.21:48
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* Stskeeps wins 10 bucks21:49
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johnsqStskeeps: yes, kernel fix, user space filter, or x11 fix?21:49
Stskeepsx11 fix, dirty21:50
slonopotamusjohnsq, some fresh info, btw:
slonopotamusjohnsq, in short, its broken21:51
slonopotamusx is broken because expects only 255. n810 is broken because it doesn't have a reason to use bigger codes21:52
RST38hAre you absolutely sure that X11 is broken???21:54
RST38hLet me check something.21:55
StskeepsRST38h: xinput only supports keycodes lower than 25621:55
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Stskeepsfor reasons unknown, n810 keyboard gives out keycode 46421:55
RST38hslono XKeyEvent uses int for the key code21:56
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RST38hNo problem with keycodes >25521:56
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RST38hIn fact, PC keyboard may also generate these (aka extended keycodes)21:56
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johnsqRST38h: they are below 256 over 256 are buttons...21:57
RST38hjohnsq: ?21:57
johnsqlinux input system21:57
* RST38h has no idea what linux input system is21:58
RST38hOk, X11 XK_* codes are 16bit21:58
johnsqRST38h: input events and the define scancodes go only to 256.21:58
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Stskeepswhat's the most popular media center thingie for linux these days?21:58
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RST38hjohnsq: Then it is a problem with Linux not with X1121:59
Stskeepsideally sane with bluemaemo21:59
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Stskeepsevening penguinbait22:01
johnsqis there a ready kernel patch for FN?22:01
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Stskeepswe solve it in evdev22:03
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johnsqRST38h: sorry I was wrong, linux input has keys >0x100 defined. KEY_FN is defined as 0x1d0 = 464 in the kernel22:04
RST38hjohnsq: So I am not exactly sure just where the problem may be22:04
johnsqStskeeps: patched evdev?22:05
RST38hXKeyEvents use 32bit codes, XK_ codes are 16bit, and the kernel also has long key codes22:05
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VDVsxStskeeps, elisa or boxee22:05
RST38hAh, is to blame....22:06
StskeepsVDVsx: sounds like an idea22:08
Stskeepsespecially since it's scriptable22:08
VDVsxahh, elisa have a new name now:
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johnsqslonopotamus: i will try
Stskeepswhy on earth not steal mer's patch?22:13
* xnt14[work]_ is back, cablevision sucks22:13
xnt14[work]_~seen b-man1622:13
infobotb-man16 <> was last seen on IRC in channel #maemo, 2h 34m 21s ago, saying: 'LOL!!!!'.22:14
johnsqStskeeps: I have asked! where is it?22:14
Stskeepsjohnsq: well the easy answer is on a server that's currently in pieces next to me22:15
Stskeepsnot so easy answer: grab it from Maemo:Mer:Devel:HW:N8x0:Devel from OBS22:15
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lbtStskeeps: I use MythTV22:15
Stskeepsi need 1) scriptable 2) girlfriend friendly 3) can stand being suspended/resumed22:16
Stskeepsand pretty on a bad tv screen22:17
Stskeepsalso, the machine should be able to run ubuntu alongside22:17
johnsqor xbmc22:17
Stskeepsboxee looks interesting too22:19
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johnsqbased on xbmc, if i know it correct22:19
Stskeepsalso i would use bluemaemo from tablets to use it22:19
slonopotamusstskeeps, which package you patched?22:21
RST38hSorry to ask a stupid question but is this Moovida any good?22:21
Stskeepsslonopotamus: xserver-xorg-input-evdev22:21
Stskeepsand then used xkbdata from nokia22:21
slonopotamusstskeeps, k22:21
RST38hIs it worth downloading, or should I expect that it will skip and stall like Canola does on the tablet?22:21
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* GAN800 sighs at non-native pronoun use.22:22
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StskeepsGAN800: Give Maemo to WORLD!!!22:23
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Stskeepsi think we've found a new slogan for Mer. :P22:23
crashanddieFrench slogan: ""22:24
crashanddieI'll buy you guys the website if you go for that22:24
lbtcrashanddie: rofl22:25
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lbtStskeeps: 1) scriptable?  2) yes  3) depends on drivers22:27
lbtthe design seperates the recording/scheduling part from the playback part22:27
GAN800Stskeeps, people who say 'she' when they mean 'they' need punishment.22:28
Stskeepsi don't plan to be recording anything beyond internet streams perhaps22:28
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lbtah... MythTV is a PVR - wouldn't know about internet streams22:29
lbtcan't say yes/no but probably OTT for just doing that22:29
lbtI have small/cheap diskless systems as set-top boxes22:29
* Stskeeps is planning his survival in poland so22:30
lbtcan you pick up satellite?22:30
Stskeepsnot easily22:30
JaffaStskeeps: I'm currently using xbmc as a frontend, and Freevo (via web) to schedule recording22:30
lbtsatellite DVB cards are cheap22:30
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crashanddieGAN800, you need punishment too22:31
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Stskeepslbt: yeah.. but i would need more than just a disc i guess22:33
crashanddieso that's what that button does22:33
lbtStskeeps: well, it depends what you're trying to do22:34
lbtWe don't have a normal TV anymore22:34
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lbthaven't had for about 5 years22:34
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RST38hGuess what is missing in this picture =)22:35
Stskeepslbt: i haven't had a tv personally ever22:35
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lbtit's better that way22:35
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lbtteach your gf the joys of irc22:36
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Stskeepslbt: she used to irc many years ago before i met her22:36
RST38hlbt: she will take his computer form him then22:36
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VDVsx~seen qole22:39
infobotqole <> was last seen on IRC in channel #maemo, 74d 23h 26m 30s ago, saying: 'But it is sunny and warm for the first time this spring, so I'm going to go outside and enjoy it...'.22:39
VDVsxwow, not a irc guy :P22:39
Stskeepshe's on #maemo-meeting at times22:40
lbtnah, the door slammed....22:40
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Proteous-phonehe's locked outside22:42
VDVsxStskeeps, ah, there also entertainer:
VDVsxclutter based :)22:42
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fie_What was that one cheap GPS that rocks?23:26
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Proteous-phoneyou know, that one23:29
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fie_Proteous-phone, yeah! you know the one I'm talking about23:32
fie_Proteous-phone, It was the iblue 737 that I was thinking of. it was recommended in here...... and everyone here has the same opinion of course.23:32
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fie_thx anyway :P23:33
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Proteous-phoneheh, glad I could help23:34
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