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| nikosapi | Where are gconf settings stored on maemo? There's no ~/.gconf :S | 00:54 |
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| * Jaffa thinks http://randaclay.com/how-to/want-to-be-successful-learn-to-manage-expectations/ should be mandatory reading for a whole lot of people. May send it round my underlings^Wteam at work :) | 00:56 | |
| qwerty12_N810 | nikosapi: /var/lib/gconfz/ | 00:56 |
| qwerty12_N810 | -z | 00:56 |
| nikosapi | just found it :) | 00:56 |
| nikosapi | that's a rather odd place for it to be | 00:56 |
| qwerty12_N810 | It's Maemo. :) | 00:56 |
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| ae_ | Hey can someone have a look at http://pastebin.com/m495c3bf6, i get this when i run af-sb-init.sh start. just installed maemo 5 sdk | 03:21 |
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| tds5016 | hey. does anoyne know how to set the background color in pygtk? | 04:06 |
| tds5016 | background color for a radio button* | 04:06 |
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| * b-man16 brings his 5 month old ubuntu install back from the dead.... again xD | 04:56 | |
| zakkm1 | eww | 04:56 |
| zakkm1 | ubuntu | 04:56 |
| b-man16 | lol | 04:57 |
| b-man16 | it's been sitting on my n800 since January 21 | 04:57 |
| zakkm1 | ahh on tablet | 04:57 |
| zakkm1 | thats okay then :D | 04:57 |
| zakkm1 | thought desktop | 04:57 |
| zakkm1 | wow | 04:57 |
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| zakkm1 | stopped working on your ubuntu port? | 04:58 |
| * b-man16 can't believe that it's still fully functional | 04:58 | |
| b-man16 | kinda | 04:58 |
| * b-man16 still has a backup of everything - including the repo | 04:58 | |
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| b-man16 | i could upload it to b-man.xceleo.org and have everything up again | 04:59 |
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| xnt14 | guys, he rebooting | 05:05 |
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| xnt14 | xD | 05:09 |
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| xnt14 | lol, using nano to edit nano :P | 06:08 |
| xnt14 | irony | 06:08 |
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| killerboy | hello | 06:16 |
| killerboy | i need help with running SDK | 06:17 |
| killerboy | i tried vmware image already and failed too :-( could you help me? | 06:17 |
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| zakkm | killerboy: sorry, dont know anything sdk related | 06:19 |
| killerboy | i get this error: SBOX CPUTRANSPARENCY METHOD not set | 06:19 |
| zakkm | does it stop? | 06:20 |
| zakkm | that just sounds more like a warning | 06:20 |
| zakkm | killerboy: found this http://www.scratchbox.org/documentation/user/scratchbox-0.9.7/usage/transparency.html | 06:21 |
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| zakkm | killerboy: or this http://maemo-sdk.garage.maemo.org/cpu-transparency-guide.html | 06:21 |
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| killerboy | thanks | 06:25 |
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| killerboy | hooray, it works, thanks for all | 06:40 |
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| freenose | Hi, are there other terminals beside the default? | 08:37 |
| Stskeeps | roxterm | 08:37 |
| freenose | st | 08:37 |
| zakkm | freenose: roxterm has nice hildonization , works nicely on tablet.. but alot can be installed through apt-get | 08:38 |
| freenose | do you how to use the tab key from roxterm? | 08:38 |
| freenose | pageup/down etc | 08:38 |
| zakkm | theres no physical button? | 08:38 |
| zakkm | what about menu? | 08:39 |
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| freenose | menu? | 08:39 |
| zakkm | menu key? | 08:39 |
| Luke-Jr | zakkm: there's not even physical buttons for numbers, let alone tab/pgup/pgdn | 08:39 |
| zakkm | file,edit, view etc | 08:39 |
| zakkm | i havent used maemo roxterm | 08:39 |
| freenose | default term has those functions on screen | 08:40 |
| zakkm | Luke-Jr: how goes gentoo? :) | 08:40 |
| zakkm | freenose: guess the maintainer had a n810 ;p with a real keyboard | 08:41 |
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| zakkm | page up and down you should have scrollbar, and i dont think alot of ppl do tab completion | 08:41 |
| zakkm | if you mean like going to previous commands.. you have the actual up and down on the d-pad | 08:42 |
| Luke-Jr | zakkm: PgUp/PgDn/Tab aren't on a N810 | 08:42 |
| zakkm | ive never even seen a n810 in person | 08:42 |
| Luke-Jr | and who DOESN'T use tab completion? | 08:42 |
| zakkm | i just know the basic look | 08:42 |
| zakkm | well i didnt until like a day ago? | 08:42 |
| Luke-Jr | zakkm: N810 doesn't have number keys | 08:42 |
| Luke-Jr | zakkm: but you're a n00b | 08:42 |
| zakkm | no im not | 08:43 |
| freenose | tab is pretty useful, I'll stick with default term | 08:43 |
| zakkm | im a desktop linux genius ;p | 08:43 |
| zakkm | i was going to make a gentoo port ages ago, but ppl told me it wasnt worth it | 08:43 |
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| zakkm | like over a year ago | 08:43 |
| zakkm | before the start of mer and everything | 08:43 |
| Luke-Jr | if true, you'd use tab completion all the time | 08:43 |
| zakkm | no | 08:43 |
| zakkm | ive always typed fast | 08:43 |
| zakkm | when i was like 9 i typed 80wpm | 08:44 |
| zakkm | used gentoo for along time too | 08:44 |
| zakkm | wow that is sick | 08:44 |
| Luke-Jr | 80wpm isn't that fast.. | 08:44 |
| zakkm | at 9 years old? | 08:44 |
| Luke-Jr | and tab completion is always faster | 08:44 |
| zakkm | 9 years old.. not a teenager/adult | 08:44 |
| Luke-Jr | what does age have to do with it? | 08:44 |
| zakkm | alot? | 08:45 |
| zakkm | are you serious? | 08:45 |
| zakkm | 9 years old, most people are just learning to type | 08:45 |
| zakkm | thats 3rd grade. | 08:45 |
| Luke-Jr | not nerds | 08:45 |
| Luke-Jr | nerds are writing programs | 08:45 |
| zakkm | at 9? | 08:45 |
| freenose | well how about the to 18 or something between 16 and 24 | 08:45 |
| Luke-Jr | I was. | 08:45 |
| zakkm | well im not a nerd thank you very much | 08:45 |
| zakkm | not back then anyways :D | 08:45 |
| freenose | setting the font | 08:45 |
| zakkm | freenose: i dont know man, i dont use roxterm sadly, or n810 for that matter | 08:46 |
| Luke-Jr | freenose: uh, 16pt would be HUGE on a tablet | 08:46 |
| zakkm | font would probably be in menu though | 08:46 |
| zakkm | in settings | 08:46 |
| freenose | luke in default term is set to 16 and is ti small | 08:46 |
| zakkm | preferences - edit current proflile - font in general tab | 08:46 |
| zakkm | but thats roxterm ubuntu .. not maemo | 08:47 |
| Luke-Jr | 16pt means 9 lines if you fill the full height of the tablet.. | 08:47 |
| zakkm | Luke-Jr: you know what i found nice, would be really nice on a n810 actually cause of physical keyboard... dillo browser | 08:47 |
| Luke-Jr | zakkm: pfft | 08:48 |
| Luke-Jr | N810's keyboard sucks | 08:48 |
| zakkm | freenose: you can try the "low volume/ high volume" physical buttons on the nokia | 08:48 |
| zakkm | lol i want a smartq5 :) | 08:48 |
| Luke-Jr | me too | 08:48 |
| Luke-Jr | but the N810 alone is chewing up time :/ | 08:49 |
| zakkm | ? | 08:49 |
| Luke-Jr | been reverse engineering BME for like 50 hours straight now | 08:49 |
| zakkm | hehh | 08:49 |
| zakkm | why? | 08:49 |
| Luke-Jr | … | 08:49 |
| Luke-Jr | it's a blob | 08:49 |
| Luke-Jr | must be reverse engineered! | 08:49 |
| zakkm | ? | 08:49 |
| zakkm | what exactly is bme? | 08:49 |
| Luke-Jr | and replaced | 08:49 |
| Luke-Jr | battery charging daemon | 08:49 |
| zakkm | hehh | 08:49 |
| zakkm | for battery meter? | 08:50 |
| Luke-Jr | no -.- | 08:50 |
| Luke-Jr | it actually charges the battery | 08:50 |
| Luke-Jr | if it doesn't run, your battery doesn't charge | 08:50 |
| zakkm | really? | 08:50 |
| Luke-Jr | if you kill it the wrong way, your battery melts down | 08:50 |
| Corsac | nice | 08:50 |
| zakkm | lies | 08:50 |
| Luke-Jr | ask Stskeeps :þ | 08:50 |
| zakkm | thats weird | 08:50 |
| Luke-Jr | he thinks I'm asking for an explosion | 08:50 |
| zakkm | a device should get power with or without a daemon | 08:51 |
| zakkm | hardware and software are different | 08:51 |
| Luke-Jr | zakkm: there's logic to control charging | 08:51 |
| Luke-Jr | charging isn't a simple matter | 08:51 |
| Luke-Jr | unless it's SLOW | 08:51 |
| zakkm | but its hardware, an OS couldnt block battery charging? | 08:51 |
| Luke-Jr | fast charging causes meltdowns if you don't stop early | 08:51 |
| zakkm | lol you trying to increasecharging speeds? | 08:52 |
| Luke-Jr | the BME daemon tells the hardware what to do | 08:52 |
| Luke-Jr | no | 08:52 |
| Luke-Jr | just replace BME for now | 08:52 |
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| Luke-Jr | I'll let you tweak the algorithms ;) | 08:52 |
| Luke-Jr | actually, most of the code so far has seemed unrelated | 08:52 |
| Luke-Jr | liek talking to DSME | 08:52 |
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| freenose | my 16pt font size must be f@"! up | 08:53 |
| zakkm | its a good thing your doing it and not i | 08:53 |
| zakkm | freenose: lol | 08:53 |
| zakkm | switch to mer :D | 08:53 |
| Luke-Jr | no, Gentoo! | 08:53 |
| zakkm | i support gentoo on a desktop | 08:53 |
| zakkm | and server, depending | 08:53 |
| freenose | gentoo on the n810' | 08:53 |
| zakkm | but on a tablet? | 08:53 |
| freenose | ? | 08:54 |
| zakkm | i first thoguht ahh that'll be cool can tweak it, nice small filesizes, would be fast | 08:54 |
| Luke-Jr | zakkm: works pretty ncie | 08:54 |
| zakkm | Luke-Jr: do you run lowmem flag on apps?? | 08:54 |
| Luke-Jr | zakkm: what? | 08:54 |
| zakkm | in make.conf | 08:54 |
| Luke-Jr | no such flag | 08:54 |
| zakkm | use flag.. sorry | 08:54 |
| zakkm | im trying to think of proper name | 08:54 |
| Luke-Jr | -Os helps a bit | 08:55 |
| zakkm | nonono | 08:55 |
| zakkm | thats not a use flag -.- | 08:55 |
| Luke-Jr | there is no use flag | 08:55 |
| zakkm | thats a cflag | 08:55 |
| zakkm | no like you know when theres all the useflags.. enable this disable that | 08:55 |
| Luke-Jr | duh | 08:55 |
| zakkm | some of them have one.. that are like sets of choices | 08:55 |
| Luke-Jr | but those don't have anything to do with mem | 08:55 |
| * freenose wants a iphone to ditch this n810 ;) | 08:55 | |
| zakkm | yes it does | 08:55 |
| Luke-Jr | freenose: FAIL | 08:55 |
| zakkm | gosh ill find the proper name ;p | 08:55 |
| Luke-Jr | zakkm: no | 08:55 |
| Luke-Jr | there's "minimal" but that usually affects functionality | 08:55 |
| zakkm | yes thats it | 08:56 |
| zakkm | ! | 08:56 |
| zakkm | thats what i was thinking of | 08:56 |
| freenose | Luke-Jr: why? | 08:56 |
| zakkm | its been over like a year and a half since i touched gentoo | 08:56 |
| Luke-Jr | freenose: iPhone is suck | 08:56 |
| freenose | can do the same | 08:56 |
| zakkm | ahh 2 years | 08:56 |
| Luke-Jr | no way | 08:56 |
| Luke-Jr | iPhone can barely boot | 08:56 |
| freenose | hmmm | 08:57 |
| Luke-Jr | http://www.iphonelinux.org/index.php/Main_Page | 08:57 |
| zakkm | what do you use for music playing? | 08:57 |
| Luke-Jr | look at status | 08:57 |
| zakkm | i cant find a good one :( | 08:57 |
| Luke-Jr | no green at all | 08:57 |
| freenose | I just need a good ssh clienr device | 08:57 |
| Luke-Jr | zakkm: mplayer | 08:57 |
| zakkm | eww iphonelinux? | 08:58 |
| zakkm | why not use normal ipod | 08:58 |
| Luke-Jr | zakkm: uh, fail x2 | 08:58 |
| zakkm | it supports unix stuff | 08:58 |
| zakkm | ? | 08:58 |
| Stskeeps | freenose: n810 is about the best on the market | 08:58 |
| Luke-Jr | Apple crap is proprietary | 08:58 |
| zakkm | i built ipod firmware with openssh.. | 08:58 |
| zakkm | and apache and such | 08:58 |
| Luke-Jr | pfft, SmartQ5 > N810 | 08:58 |
| zakkm | smartq7 -.- | 08:58 |
| Luke-Jr | 7 doesn't fit in your pocket | 08:58 |
| Luke-Jr | thus useless | 08:58 |
| Luke-Jr | :D | 08:58 |
| zakkm | that big | 08:58 |
| zakkm | dang | 08:58 |
| zakkm | that techcrunch one is cool :D | 08:59 |
| Luke-Jr | Stskeeps: zakkm doesn't believe software can meltdown battery | 08:59 |
| zakkm | apparently they came with proper prototypes and such | 08:59 |
| zakkm | i didnt say that | 08:59 |
| zakkm | i said bme software cant stop a battery from charging | 08:59 |
| zakkm | you said meltdown after i said it | 08:59 |
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| Luke-Jr | of course it can | 09:00 |
| Luke-Jr | it can also start it, which is the point | 09:00 |
| zakkm | i still remember the good days of rockbox :D | 09:00 |
| Stskeeps | zakkm: there's a circuit inside the batteries for good measure | 09:00 |
| Luke-Jr | Stskeeps: there is? | 09:00 |
| zakkm | yeah to prevent overheat, melting and overvoltage | 09:01 |
| Luke-Jr | wtf are you trying to tell me about explosions then? | 09:01 |
| zakkm | not to let a app control it / stop it fromc harging | 09:01 |
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| zakkm | Luke-Jr: just because theres a circuit doesnt mean it does that task or to that extreme | 09:02 |
| Stskeeps | Luke-Jr: because coders don't test everything beyond their own specs | 09:02 |
| zakkm | there are things in actual plugs too | 09:02 |
| zakkm | the part you plug in | 09:02 |
| zakkm | but plugs can still catch on fire and such | 09:02 |
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| zakkm | laptops can explode heh always love those news posts | 09:03 |
| Luke-Jr | Stskeeps: think I'd be infringing on IPR by posting graphviz graphs of BME function calls? | 09:03 |
| Stskeeps | Luke-Jr: no clue | 09:04 |
| zakkm | Stskeeps: what you use for music in mer? | 09:04 |
| Luke-Jr | better not then | 09:04 |
| Stskeeps | zakkm: nothing atm | 09:05 |
| Stskeeps | i would probably just use vagalume and canola | 09:05 |
| zakkm | cant get a good one for mer :( | 09:05 |
| freenose | what is mer? | 09:05 |
| zakkm | freenose: worlds greatest tablet OS | 09:05 |
| zakkm | dont listen to luke-jr :D | 09:05 |
| Stskeeps | freenose: re xterm, you are aware you can use zoom buttons in osso-xterm? :P | 09:07 |
| zakkm | zoom omg thats what its called | 09:07 |
| zakkm | zakkm [1:48]: freenose: you can try the "low volume/ high volume" physical buttons on the nokia | 09:08 |
| * freenose looks for osso xterm | 09:08 | |
| Stskeeps | freenose: "X-Terminal" :P | 09:08 |
| Stskeeps | the package name is osso-xterm so | 09:08 |
| zakkm | osso xterm = builtin one | 09:08 |
| zakkm | stskeeps: whats with mer and the processing triggers for libc6.. ldconfig deferred processing now taking place | 09:09 |
| zakkm | stsys there for like 5-10min everytime i apt-get | 09:09 |
| freenose | ah ok, yeah that is what I'm using rigth now | 09:09 |
| zakkm | and its taking 100 cpu too | 09:09 |
| Stskeeps | zakkm: docpurge being a bit slow, qwerty12 has fixed it now | 09:09 |
| zakkm | 0.14 ? | 09:09 |
| zakkm | thats docpurge? | 09:09 |
| Stskeeps | it'll be 0.15 | 09:09 |
| Stskeeps | you can probably grab a fresh package from OBS | 09:10 |
| zakkm | ldconfig / libc6 triggers = docpurge? | 09:10 |
| zakkm | is that gtkhtml fixed yet, so i can go from 0.13 to 0.14 ? | 09:10 |
| zakkm | :D | 09:10 |
| freenose | Stskeeps: my only problem is the font, 16pt is to small, 24 is to big | 09:10 |
| zakkm | could i skip it? | 09:10 |
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| Stskeeps | freenose: you can get new fonts, for instance droid sans | 09:10 |
| Stskeeps | zakkm: any installation triggers docpurge | 09:10 |
| zakkm | dang | 09:11 |
| zakkm | i like easymer, makes my perfect thing | 09:11 |
| qwerty12_N810 | you can remove its trigger from /etc/apt/ | 09:11 |
| freenose | hmm ok | 09:11 |
| zakkm | would it still work okay? | 09:11 |
| zakkm | docpurge = manpages right? | 09:11 |
| qwerty12_N810 | apt'd run; docpurge not | 09:11 |
| zakkm | like documents of it? | 09:11 |
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| qwerty12_N810 | docpurge nukes manpages and files found in /usr/share/doc and some other place | 09:12 |
| zakkm | hows that bugged? | 09:12 |
| freenose | Stskeeps: there is no way to set monospace between 16 and 24? | 09:12 |
| zakkm | isnt it rm -rf /usr/share/doc .... | 09:13 |
| Stskeeps | freenose: not sure | 09:13 |
| Stskeeps | zakkm: nah | 09:13 |
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| Stskeeps | zakkm: go through every file, zero it | 09:13 |
| Stskeeps | else upgrades fuck up | 09:13 |
| qwerty12_N810 | no. | 09:13 |
| zakkm | zero it? | 09:13 |
| zakkm | doesnt just remove it? | 09:13 |
| zakkm | zero out? | 09:13 |
| Stskeeps | truncate | 09:13 |
| Stskeeps | reason why is that package upgrades using diversions fuck up otherwise | 09:13 |
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| thux | morning | 09:15 |
| zakkm | wait is there thumb keyboard in mer yet? | 09:17 |
| Stskeeps | no, feel free to code one | 09:17 |
| zakkm | wish i could | 09:17 |
| zakkm | im no help to mer as a coder | 09:17 |
| thux | Stskeeps: why nobody cares mer virtual-keyboard? has all mer users 810 device? | 09:20 |
| zakkm | theres stylus, i guess some like it ;p | 09:21 |
| Stskeeps | thux: oh, we do care about it, just that we don't have many GTK experts | 09:21 |
| Stskeeps | thux: we just greatly improved our on screen keyboard with him-arabic | 09:21 |
| zakkm | what changed? | 09:21 |
| zakkm | isnt the him-arabic just language addons? | 09:21 |
| Stskeeps | possibility of easy-to-add keyboard layouts and a engine for making different type of layouts | 09:22 |
| thux | ok. | 09:22 |
| zakkm | wow the mer stylus keyboard has everything | 09:22 |
| zakkm | never noticed virtual one before | 09:22 |
| qwerty12_N810 | you're not using the mer one. in all honesty: easy mer != mer | 09:23 |
| thux | does it have language support like maemo has? i mean keyboard? | 09:23 |
| zakkm | qwerty12_N810: im looking at mer 0.14 screenshot.. | 09:24 |
| Stskeeps | thux: yeah - now it does, http://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?t=29310 | 09:24 |
| zakkm | http://wiki.maemo.org/images/c/c1/Mer0.14_him_arabic.png | 09:24 |
| zakkm | i dont use mer .... thats why i havent noticed the virtual keyboard ;p | 09:24 |
| zakkm | until i just saw the mer 0.14 screenshot | 09:24 |
| thux | Stskeeps: cool, must try mer again | 09:24 |
| qwerty12_N810 | zakkm: ah, sorry, I'm assuming you're basing the observation upon the easy mer vkb | 09:24 |
| zakkm | noonono | 09:24 |
| zakkm | i know thats maemos | 09:24 |
| zakkm | i wish it was on mer lol :D | 09:25 |
| zakkm | only reason i use easymer .. thumb keyboard + tear browser | 09:25 |
| freenose | mer runs on the n810? | 09:25 |
| zakkm | freenose: the original idea yes ;p | 09:25 |
| zakkm | freenose: willing to try it out? :D | 09:25 |
| zakkm | freenose: full ubuntu armel repository :P | 09:26 |
| qwerty12_N810 | zakkm: maybe copying the hildon-input-methods plugins from diablo could work... | 09:26 |
| freenose | sure :) | 09:26 |
| zakkm | qwerty12_N810: would it be something i would be able to try? | 09:26 |
| zakkm | i should really get a new SD and install real mer on it | 09:27 |
| zakkm | i cant believe i cant find my other 4gb sd | 09:27 |
| freenose | zakkmÂ: can Iuse my phone as a modem with mer too? | 09:27 |
| zakkm | freenose: got a SD lying around, that can be used? | 09:27 |
| zakkm | would have to format it pretty much | 09:27 |
| qwerty12_N810 | you could, iirc it'd be the plugins you'd need to copy, maybe some theme images and gconf entries | 09:28 |
| zakkm | i would say no.. not 100% though | 09:28 |
| freenose | nope | 09:28 |
| zakkm | qwerty12_N810: is there internet tethering in mer? | 09:28 |
| zakkm | sick i want to try tomorrow :) | 09:29 |
| zakkm | i would so leave easymer | 09:29 |
| freenose | what does maemo uses for that? is it propietary? | 09:29 |
| qwerty12_N810 | http://trac.tspre.org/meiz/screenshots/bt-tethering.png | 09:29 |
| qwerty12_N810 | but it was dodgy when i tried it... | 09:29 |
| zakkm | freenose: look at that screenshot | 09:29 |
| zakkm | qwerty12_N810: i want to try tomorrow ;p or well the morning, its 2;29am here | 09:29 |
| zakkm | the thumb keyboard trying | 09:30 |
| Stskeeps | freenose: mer is 100% core system free, but may use some hw interfacing that's closed | 09:30 |
| qwerty12_N810 | heh, i don't even like the thumb keyboard :P | 09:30 |
| zakkm | stylus is too small | 09:30 |
| freenose | ~ | 09:30 |
| zakkm | little crazy OCD -.- | 09:30 |
| zakkm | i cant even use a ipod one | 09:30 |
| Stskeeps | qwerty12_N810: i would love a transparent thumb / stylus one | 09:30 |
| zakkm | i ask friends to type for me | 09:30 |
| zakkm | when i use a ipod touch | 09:30 |
| zakkm | Stskeeps: would xcomposite work at all? | 09:31 |
| freenose | ~ | 09:31 |
| zakkm | freenose: ? | 09:32 |
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| Stskeeps | zakkm: yeah xcompmgr worked i think | 09:33 |
| freenose | my left thumb hurts from the 810 | 09:33 |
| Stskeeps | as in, dragged slowly | 09:33 |
| zakkm | sickkk :D | 09:33 |
| zakkm | im trying it | 09:33 |
| zakkm | apt-get'ing | 09:33 |
| zakkm | oh it should be slow | 09:33 |
| zakkm | no acceleration | 09:33 |
| zakkm | lack of high cpu | 09:33 |
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| zakkm | Stskeeps: was thinking for transperency can use transset | 09:34 |
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| freenose | Stskeeps: I meant what app does maemo uses for tethering son I can use the same app on my linux laptop | 09:38 |
| Stskeeps | freenose: maemo uses a properitary one | 09:38 |
| freenose | I see | 09:39 |
| freenose | do you know one for linux? | 09:39 |
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| Jianjun | hi, I met a problem ,when i install a large package by apt-get ,i happens timeout error. | 11:04 |
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| Jaffa | Stskeeps: Need a picture on Mer/Marketing! | 12:05 |
| Stskeeps | Jaffa: prod mtc about that, i was comatose online yesterday | 12:05 |
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| Jaffa | Stskeeps: will do, if I see him | 12:06 |
| Stskeeps | Jaffa: they're sortof same design of the one we gave to qwerty12 i think, but yeah, photos | 12:06 |
| * Jaffa hasn't seen the one qwerty12_N810 has ;-) | 12:07 | |
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| RST38h | moo all? | 14:38 |
| RichiH | baa. | 14:41 |
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| lbt | woof | 14:46 |
| * Stskeeps glances at wedding procedures | 14:48 | |
| RST38h | Polish or Danish? =) | 14:49 |
| Stskeeps | danish | 14:51 |
| Stskeeps | which might as well be in polish, in terms of sanity | 14:51 |
| RST38h | Stskeeps <== obviously never been to a Jewish wedding | 14:52 |
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| * xnt14 so insanely bored, I only have 25mins left before my bus arrives for my exam :P | 15:06 | |
| lbt | do some exercise | 15:07 |
| lbt | get your blood flowing | 15:07 |
| lbt | extra brain boost + relaxes you :) | 15:07 |
| * xnt14 just walked on the treadmill for 18 mins then sat down, and ate some breakfast, and now here I am | 15:08 | |
| xnt14 | I agree | 15:08 |
| xnt14 | :) | 15:08 |
| * xnt14 works on his nano fork | 15:08 | |
| * xnt14 needs to compile it for the nit btw :P | 15:09 | |
| * lbt thinks about Wii nano-bike | 15:09 | |
| xnt14 | Im talking about the nano text editor | 15:09 |
| xnt14 | nano fork = fork of nano src code | 15:09 |
| lbt | yeah... | 15:09 |
| xnt14 | :P | 15:09 |
| xnt14 | http://xceleo.org/naon/README | 15:09 |
| xnt14 | thats how I made the name | 15:10 |
| xnt14 | naon = nano typo | 15:10 |
| xnt14 | I was typing nano and my hand slipped and I typed naon | 15:10 |
| * lbt may fork MEr for similar reasons... | 15:10 | |
| xnt14 | then I got the idea of writing his own text editor | 15:10 |
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| xnt14 | so then I dled the nano svn src code | 15:11 |
| xnt14 | fork MEr? | 15:11 |
| xnt14 | :P | 15:11 |
| * xnt14 would fork mer and make a unisionMer Image to test running a complete server suite on his nit, dns, smb, apache, ssh, etc... | 15:12 | |
| xnt14 | or make a client-unisionMer to test the viability of the nit in IT/as a client workstation | 15:13 |
| xnt14 | and then merge my changes back into the main source | 15:13 |
| xnt14 | lbt, are you on your computer or nit? | 15:14 |
| * xnt14 checks his email, which he hasn't checked for 10 days | 15:15 | |
| xnt14 | lol last year, I forgot about my email for 2 months | 15:15 |
| GAN800 | How bad is it when Peter can't even get it right? | 15:18 |
| ShadowJK | can't get what right? | 15:18 |
| xnt14 | ? | 15:18 |
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| xnt14 | lol | 15:18 |
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| xnt14 | Its been 10 days and no interesting mail: http://xceleo.org/webmail.png | 15:19 |
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| lbt | xnt14 computer... | 15:19 |
| lbt | was busy | 15:19 |
| xnt14 | :) | 15:19 |
| * b-man16 is in ubuntu on his n800 | 15:20 | |
| xnt14 | http://xceleo.org/naon/README | 15:20 |
| b-man16 | XD | 15:20 |
| xnt14 | wget http://xceleo.org/naon/naon.tar && tar -xvf naon.tar | 15:20 |
| xnt14 | oh wait | 15:20 |
| xnt14 | x86 or x86_64? | 15:20 |
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| Stskeeps | GAN800: MER versus Mer? :P | 15:21 |
| xnt14 | Stskeeps: how hard is it to build mer right now btw? | 15:22 |
| GAN800 | "Maemo Council" | 15:22 |
| xnt14 | lbt: if your on a x86/i686 computer: wget http://xceleo.org/naon/naon && chmod a+x naon && mv naon /usr/bin | 15:23 |
| b-man16 | xnt14: all you need i think is the builder | 15:23 |
| xnt14 | :) | 15:23 |
| Stskeeps | GAN800: ah, right | 15:23 |
| X-Fade | GAN800: Close enough ;) | 15:23 |
| Stskeeps | xnt14: define build | 15:23 |
| xnt14 | umm, crosscompile from desktop (XPS 600: 2.80Hhz Dual Core) for nit | 15:24 |
| xnt14 | a image I can install on my sd | 15:24 |
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| Stskeeps | xnt14: we don't compile everything from scratch | 15:25 |
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| Stskeeps | we're not gentoo insane | 15:25 |
| Stskeeps | :P | 15:25 |
| wazd_n800 | hooah maemo! | 15:25 |
| xnt14 | :P | 15:25 |
| b-man16 | like Luke-jr lol | 15:26 |
| xnt14 | so how did you create mer? :P | 15:26 |
| xnt14 | lol | 15:26 |
| thopiekar | hi Stskeeps | 15:26 |
| thopiekar | hi all | 15:26 |
| * xnt14 looks for the mer source | 15:26 | |
| thopiekar | Stskeeps: whats up with the n770 port? | 15:26 |
| xnt14 | thopiekar: hi :P | 15:26 |
| thopiekar | hi xnt14 | 15:27 |
| b-man16 | xnt14: through bootstraping | 15:27 |
| xnt14 | :) | 15:27 |
| toggles_w | xnt14: Stskeeps used magic | 15:27 |
| wazd_n800 | Mer wasn't created, it was always here, we just gained access to it thru ether =)) | 15:27 |
| xnt14 | xD | 15:27 |
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| b-man16 | xD | 15:27 |
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| xnt14 | so I cant create xntMer, nah unisionMer | 15:27 |
| b-man16 | lol | 15:27 |
| thopiekar | wb' bilboed-tp | 15:28 |
| wazd_n800 | And I'm just downloading carma sketches of Mer and draw em in PS) | 15:28 |
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| Stskeeps | thopiekar: bbb770 is making a kernel package. that's the only reason | 15:28 |
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| thopiekar | is he busy or is it so difficult to create? | 15:29 |
| * b-man16 brought his 5 month old ubuntu install back from the dead last night btw | 15:29 | |
| Stskeeps | seriously, where is the nokia-binaries repository stuff hiding now? | 15:29 |
| xnt14 | ok I have to take exams, brb for like 2/3/4 hours | 15:30 |
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| b-man16 | k | 15:30 |
| wazd_n800 | Amerca's Army 3 is online and i'm in a fricking train! Damned life! | 15:30 |
| * b-man16 plays with ubuntu | 15:30 | |
| Stskeeps | X-Fade: did nokia-binaries get scrapped for 5.0 beta or is it just me being blind? | 15:30 |
| X-Fade | Stskeeps: no, it is there. | 15:31 |
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| Stskeeps | okay | 15:31 |
| * Stskeeps tries to find a reference | 15:31 | |
| * wazd_n800 plays with less sophisticated games =) | 15:31 | |
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| Stskeeps | okay, that's well hidden | 15:33 |
| Stskeeps | the grey doesn't make it easier | 15:33 |
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| Stskeeps | X-Fade, jeremiah: http://www.daimi.au.dk/~cvm/binaries.png seems sane for the part of vendor HW repositories that faces the user? (i'm going to make a workflow for the way to deal with actually making the repositories and the images to be downloaded) | 15:53 |
| X-Fade | Stskeeps: looks pretty sane to me. | 15:56 |
| Stskeeps | k | 15:56 |
| wazd_n800 | Damn, I'm really shocked how lame Fring for tablets actually is | 15:56 |
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| Stskeeps | trying to put it in a way that's easy to work with both for lawyers and coders :P | 15:56 |
| Stskeeps | wazd_n800: can't be worse than skype on android phones | 15:57 |
| wazd_n800 | stskeeps, it's absolutely unusable | 15:57 |
| wazd_n800 | stskeeps, I can't imag | 15:57 |
| wazd_n800 | ine how a human can release this | 15:58 |
| wazd_n800 | "log in" pop up locks the device until it's finished | 15:58 |
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| wazd_n800 | ok, I'm almost home, bbl =) | 15:59 |
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| johnsq | Hi | 16:06 |
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| Stskeeps | 'lo johnsq | 16:08 |
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| lcuk | Stskeeps, wheres johnx gone off to? | 16:35 |
| Stskeeps | lcuk: working i think | 16:36 |
| lcuk | ahhh, i tohught he mightv been taken away by nokia for the overview he posted up return lol | 16:36 |
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| mib_5q313l | i want to open .lib file,which function i should use? | 16:43 |
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| lcuk | mib_5q313l, what is a .lib file in your context, cos ive seen many variations in my time | 16:47 |
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| mib_5q313l | penpda.lib | 16:50 |
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| mib_5q313l | this file which can recognise what you write on the touch scren | 16:51 |
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| mib_5q313l | the file contain some function that can recognise what you write | 16:52 |
| mib_5q313l | i just want to open it and get the function | 16:52 |
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| samueldr | I think I just figured a new law, kind of like godwin's law | 17:22 |
| samueldr | the law of open-source community chat | 17:23 |
| samueldr | whatever the discussion is about, it will eventually lead to have a bacon reference somewhere | 17:23 |
| LinuxCode | better than what I just had in the redhat chan | 17:23 |
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| samueldr | and what was it? | 17:24 |
| lcuk | samueldr, you just did it | 17:26 |
| lcuk | and bacon is a maemoism | 17:26 |
| lcuk | no1 mentioned bacon today until you | 17:27 |
| * lcuk offers linuxcode a blt | 17:27 | |
| LinuxCode | lcuk, just had an ignorant US lot trying to tell me what we study on IT courses here in the UK | 17:28 |
| LinuxCode | lol | 17:28 |
| LinuxCode | sad how such a "huge" country can live in a glass bottle | 17:28 |
| lcuk | its possible that the unis they know just do different crap to what you know | 17:29 |
| lcuk | the courses are not the same :P | 17:29 |
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| LinuxCode | lcuk, US does a 50/50 mix | 17:33 |
| LinuxCode | 50% other crap | 17:33 |
| LinuxCode | such as physics, maths, etc.. | 17:34 |
| LinuxCode | we had 2 modules with business and maths, in CS anyway | 17:34 |
| LinuxCode | rest was IT related | 17:34 |
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| LinuxCode | saying that, even the maths + stats was IT related as we used software such as maple | 17:35 |
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| KayDeeEeJon | i'd like to install a c++ compiling environment and qt devel libraries directly on my n810, but on a /media/mmc1 subdir and not on in / (since the shdc card has plenty space and the internal mem has not) | 17:38 |
| KayDeeEeJon | what's the easiest and/or cleanest way to do that? | 17:38 |
| lcuk | hahahahahahahahahahahahahahaha | 17:38 |
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| KayDeeEeJon | funny? | 17:38 |
| KayDeeEeJon | why? | 17:38 |
| lcuk | well, i do c dev on device | 17:38 |
| lcuk | and i get laughed at for it | 17:38 |
| KayDeeEeJon | and? | 17:38 |
| lcuk | so since you wanna do something 10x slower and fatter ive gotta laugh 10x longer | 17:38 |
| KayDeeEeJon | why 10x slower? | 17:39 |
| lcuk | i thought the qt dev stuff takes 1.3gb of memory to link or something | 17:39 |
| lcuk | cos the c compiler is REALLY slow | 17:39 |
| lcuk | c++ | 17:39 |
| fiferboy | That | 17:39 |
| fiferboy | is to build Qt | 17:39 |
| fiferboy | Developing with Qt libraries wouldn't be THAT bad (depending on the program) | 17:40 |
| KayDeeEeJon | you gotta be kidding me, the qt stuff is ridiculously small compared to the size of the hildon/maemo sdk | 17:40 |
| lcuk | ahhh so to build new bits of qt using existing qt is less | 17:40 |
| fiferboy | Yep | 17:40 |
| fiferboy | Unless you are building a new WebKit version for a Qt browser :) | 17:40 |
| lcuk | KayDeeEeJon, :) you might be right, but in my experience even a simple "helloworld" in c++ using just std string lib was ballachingly paint drying and peeling back off through age slow | 17:40 |
| KayDeeEeJon | huh? | 17:41 |
| fiferboy | KayDeeEeJon: You can do a clone to SD and run the entire OS from SD, that would give you enough space | 17:41 |
| lcuk | get a stopwatch, install gcc, see how long a helloworld in c takes to compile, do same with c++ | 17:41 |
| fiferboy | I'm not sure how well building on the device would go, but I'm sure if you have enough time (and swap) it could worl | 17:41 |
| fiferboy | lcuk: Did you start doing c++ on the tablet at some point? | 17:42 |
| lcuk | fiferboy, i thought linkage of the libraries would be prohibative in 128mb | 17:42 |
| lcuk | i nearly wrote the new framework in ++ | 17:42 |
| * lcuk isnt c++ phobic | 17:42 | |
| fiferboy | lcuk, well I think the problem with the WebKit taking 1+ GB is debuging symbols | 17:43 |
| KayDeeEeJon | well i don't know how much mem is needed for linking, but certainly nowhere near 1.3g. i routinely build qt stuff (without webkit) on a pc with 512M | 17:43 |
| lcuk | 512mb plus nice fast swap no doubt :) | 17:43 |
| KayDeeEeJon | and there's no swapping or such | 17:43 |
| fiferboy | Yes, building USING Qt is a lot more feasible than BUILDING Qt | 17:44 |
| KayDeeEeJon | and the mem is already quite full | 17:44 |
| z4chh | hai | 17:44 |
| KayDeeEeJon | well there are ready-built qt-dev packages for maemo | 17:44 |
| lcuk | \o | 17:44 |
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| RichiH | are the 756 MiB of virtual memory the n900 is supposed to have just more flash storage or what? | 17:49 |
| RichiH | erm, 768 | 17:50 |
| lcuk | RichiH, its not real memory, there is a tape-drive attached to the back of the device (retro cool) that is used as backing store | 17:51 |
| RichiH | no punch cards? | 17:51 |
| lcuk | didnt notice a slot when i played | 17:51 |
| samueldr | no data stored on a CRT device? | 17:51 |
| LinuxCode | lcuk, loooool | 17:51 |
| lcuk | mind you, that was a proto, sonot sure | 17:52 |
| LinuxCode | lcuk, so the first rumours about the next n810 are spreading ? | 17:52 |
| * LinuxCode cant wait for the next model to come out | 17:52 | |
| KayDeeEeJon | so if i want to clone the os to sd, how would i do that? i can hardly use dd given the different filesystem and fs size, so i'd copy with cp -a i presume? and then how would i boot from sd instead of internal rom? | 17:54 |
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| fiferboy | search talk.maemo.org for "clone to sd" | 17:56 |
| fiferboy | There are packages that do it for you, set up the boot loader, etc | 17:56 |
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| johnsq | KayDeeEeJon: why clone, just use a better os :) , there is script for clone and look for bootmenu.sh | 17:56 |
| RichiH | another question, are the n810 and n900 unbrickable? i.e. is there always some way to restore it if something goes wrong while playing with it | 17:57 |
| KayDeeEeJon | ok thx | 17:57 |
| KayDeeEeJon | johnsq: a better os? | 17:58 |
| johnsq | johnsq: mer, ubuntu, debian... | 17:58 |
| Stskeeps | RichiH: as long as you don't overwrite NOLO and X-loader, yes | 17:58 |
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| jeremiah | lcuk: /c | 18:32 |
| jeremiah | Sorry, wrong order | 18:32 |
| jeremiah | lcuk: You may have some perm issues with some files in your deb package. | 18:33 |
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| lcuk | jeremiah, tell me about it! | 18:35 |
| lcuk | ive been trying to bash out what you guys started in cph, i am grey haired and bruised as a result | 18:36 |
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| lcuk | have you just looked in the package itself, or have you tried to download from my github account? | 18:37 |
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| coldboot | Here's a tip: Track scratchbox2 in git so you know what it's up to. | 18:38 |
| jeremiah | lcuk: The issues popped up in the autobuilder, causing an error. :) | 18:40 |
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| lcuk | jeremiah, yeah, sorted that i think, and i believe we have a handle on the other issues - which are to do with wmclass and osso registration and stuff, and hopefully those will be ironed out this evening. | 18:46 |
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| * xnt14 looks at the log | 19:15 | |
| xnt14 | not much activity :P | 19:15 |
| lcuk | thats cos we all have you on ignore | 19:16 |
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| xnt14 | :P | 19:17 |
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| plastun | hi2all | 19:30 |
| plastun | it's very strange: GtkHSeparator looks in Maemo ok, but GtkVSeparator is invisible. ? | 19:32 |
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| jaem | hello | 19:46 |
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| jaem | I've noticed when installing sidebar items in Maemo (e.g. Personal menu, etc.) that not all of those can be removed in the config dialog | 19:47 |
| jaem | is there any way to have full control over that short of manually messing with .desktop files? | 19:47 |
| Ave | hmmm my n810 seems to have broken or something | 19:49 |
| Ave | it just doesnt boot anymore or charge the battery | 19:49 |
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| xnt14 | o.0 | 19:49 |
| Ave | all I see is the bootup RD logo on screen and then it shuts down | 19:49 |
| Ave | dattery dead maybe? | 19:49 |
| Ave | batt.. | 19:49 |
| xnt14 | flasher-3.0 shut off RD mode? | 19:49 |
| Ave | cant | 19:50 |
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| xnt14 | X( | 19:50 |
| Ave | it doesnt turn on so I could enable the usb flasher mode | 19:50 |
| xnt14 | (x_x) | 19:50 |
| Ave | besides the rd mode isnt a problem | 19:50 |
| xnt14 | so bootup with the switch window key doesn't work? | 19:50 |
| Ave | it doesnt boot at all | 19:50 |
| xnt14 | :( | 19:50 |
| Ave | the only action I can get is by connecting the charger | 19:51 |
| Ave | then I see the "boot display" briefly | 19:51 |
| xnt14 | so hook up the cable to your computer | 19:51 |
| xnt14 | run flasher | 19:51 |
| xnt14 | and then hook up the usb cable | 19:51 |
| xnt14 | and then plug in charger while holding the usb mode button | 19:51 |
| Ave | tried, didnt work | 19:51 |
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| jaem | xnt14: don't they say not to have it plugged in while flashing in any case? | 19:52 |
| xnt14 | (x_X) | 19:52 |
| Ave | yeah they say | 19:52 |
| jaem | Ave: was it fully working prior to this? | 19:52 |
| Ave | the usb mode doesnt work with charger attached | 19:52 |
| Ave | yeah | 19:52 |
| Ave | the battery just ran empty | 19:52 |
| jaem | ...and then you turned it off? | 19:52 |
| Ave | but that has happened many times before | 19:52 |
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| Ave | maybe the internal flash is corrupted? | 19:52 |
| xnt14 | um, I flashed my nit once with it off then instead of hiting pwr button, I plugged in the charger | 19:53 |
| jaem | maybe, but that would be more borked than is easy to do | 19:53 |
| xnt14 | I think the bl is courrupted | 19:53 |
| jaem | xnt14: sounds like it | 19:53 |
| Ave | bl? | 19:53 |
| jaem | bootloader | 19:53 |
| xnt14 | bootloader | 19:53 |
| Ave | ah yeah its been behaving a bit strangely | 19:53 |
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| jaem | that's not a fun problem | 19:53 |
| xnt14 | jtag? | 19:53 |
| Ave | very slow boot | 19:53 |
| Ave | I have bootmenu installed tho | 19:53 |
| jaem | xnt14: heh... that's what I meant about it not being fun | 19:54 |
| xnt14 | can you go into bootmenu? | 19:54 |
| Ave | nope | 19:54 |
| xnt14 | jaem: yup | 19:54 |
| Ave | doesnt show up, it just shuts down | 19:54 |
| xnt14 | :( | 19:54 |
| Ave | some watchdog maybe | 19:54 |
| xnt14 | well the nit does have a serial port on the back | 19:54 |
| Ave | I wonder if I still have warranty left | 19:54 |
| xnt14 | maybe it output some error there | 19:54 |
| xnt14 | but | 19:55 |
| jaem | did they ever figure out if the pads under the battery /were/ JTAG? | 19:55 |
| * xnt14 wouldn't reccomend trying to solder it to a cable though If you are not experienced in soldering X( | 19:55 | |
| jaem | no, I wouldn't recommend it eitherr | 19:55 |
| jaem | I was just curious | 19:56 |
| Ave | theres also some pads (4) visible not under the battery | 19:56 |
| Ave | is that serial port? | 19:56 |
| Ave | next to charger hole | 19:56 |
| xnt14 | the pad on the left of the serial label is a seriel port | 19:56 |
| xnt14 | thats the pads for the usb | 19:56 |
| Ave | yeah | 19:56 |
| Ave | well, I'll try leave it without battery for 30 mins first | 19:57 |
| xnt14 | the 7 pin port is a serial port | 19:57 |
| xnt14 | the 4 pin port is the usb port | 19:57 |
| Ave | is the pinout known? | 19:57 |
| xnt14 | and the 3 pin one is the battery | 19:57 |
| xnt14 | I think so, I think I saw it on fanoush's site | 19:58 |
| xnt14 | ill check | 19:58 |
| Ave | hah I see pin test marks on the pads | 19:58 |
| xnt14 | nope not there, ill google | 19:58 |
| Ave | only 4/7 are used | 19:58 |
| Ave | gnd, tx, rx and what else? | 19:58 |
| xnt14 | yup I see then also | 19:58 |
| xnt14 | http://www.bu3sch.de/joomla/index.php/nokia-n810-serial-console | 19:59 |
| xnt14 | damnit | 19:59 |
| Ave | thanks | 19:59 |
| xnt14 | it has to be enabled in software | 19:59 |
| xnt14 | :( | 20:00 |
| jaem | darn it... | 20:00 |
| Ave | and I'd have to build test jig like that | 20:00 |
| Ave | oh well, I try with battery off first | 20:00 |
| jaem | my uni shell account is failing at scp for some reason | 20:00 |
| xnt14 | :( | 20:01 |
| Ave | so much sadness! | 20:01 |
| Ave | this is happy end | 20:01 |
| Ave | main screen turn off | 20:01 |
| xnt14 | :) | 20:02 |
| jaem | lol | 20:02 |
| xnt14 | jaem: how old are you btw? | 20:02 |
| * xnt14 has his own shell acc | 20:02 | |
| xnt14 | and dh ssh acc | 20:02 |
| xnt14 | well dh shell all | 20:02 |
| xnt14 | and his own shell server | 20:03 |
| jaem | jaem: just finished 3rd year of post-secondary | 20:03 |
| jaem | xnt14: yeah, I have ssh on all my boxen, and accounts on a friend's server | 20:03 |
| jaem | and this is /supposed/ to work | 20:03 |
| xnt14 | :P | 20:03 |
| jaem | to the Wireshark! | 20:03 |
| * xnt14 wonders why xceleo.org goes to apache2-twiddle.dreamhost.com | 20:04 | |
| xnt14 | rofl | 20:04 |
| xnt14 | I typed xceleo.org in irc, and my xps makes a connection to xceleo.org :? :P | 20:04 |
| jaem | huh... this is odd | 20:07 |
| jaem | scp just hangs... | 20:07 |
| jaem | sftp says "connected", and then times out | 20:08 |
| Ave | http://blog.homac.de/?p=58 | 20:08 |
| Ave | maybe it's the same for me | 20:08 |
| Ave | but fridge? wtf | 20:09 |
| xnt14 | yup :P | 20:09 |
| xnt14 | lol | 20:10 |
| Stskeeps | make sure you're upgraded to diablo :P | 20:10 |
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| xnt14 | :P | 20:11 |
| Ave | I have the latest diablo | 20:11 |
| Ave | and also nitdroid | 20:11 |
| Ave | and mer and whatnot | 20:11 |
| Ave | I have ecerything except a properly booting n810 | 20:11 |
| jaem | bye | 20:12 |
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| johnsq | Hi | 20:16 |
| xnt14 | lol | 20:16 |
| xnt14 | johnsq, hi | 20:16 |
| Ave | the battery shows 2.64 V | 20:16 |
| xnt14 | thats half way | 20:17 |
| Ave | under no load | 20:17 |
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| xnt14 | :( | 20:17 |
| Ave | is the BP-4L battery common type? | 20:17 |
| ShadowJK | 2.64 is dangerously low | 20:18 |
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| johnsq | its about 10 euro at amazon.de | 20:18 |
| xnt14 | yup, I have a bp-4l :P | 20:19 |
| ShadowJK | ave: try bp-4l in hintaseuranta :) | 20:19 |
| * ShadowJK would get original | 20:19 | |
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| Ave | maybe it's so flat that the charge circuit wont even start | 20:19 |
| Ave | you can destroy lion batteries with a deep discharge | 20:20 |
| xnt14 | :( | 20:20 |
| lopz | hi | 20:21 |
| xnt14 | <offtopic>http://www.engadget.com/2009/06/18/keepin-it-real-fake-part-ccxvii-not-even-obama-can-sell-us-on/</offtopic> lol, blockberry | 20:21 |
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| Ave | crackberry | 20:21 |
| xnt14 | lopz, hi | 20:21 |
| xnt14 | :P | 20:21 |
| lopz | ;) | 20:21 |
| xnt14 | and it runs *shudder* WinMo | 20:22 |
| xnt14 | "The ad reads: "Obama have BlackBerry, I have BlockBerry." "~engadget xDDDDD | 20:22 |
| xnt14 | wait blockberry, as if in blocking blackberry? xD | 20:23 |
| Ave | well I believe that tha battery is just dead | 20:23 |
| Ave | gotta get a new one | 20:23 |
| xnt14 | so buy a new battery? | 20:23 |
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| xnt14 | what about the bl? | 20:23 |
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| Ave | this is possible the wirst time to buy anything | 20:23 |
| Ave | worst | 20:23 |
| Ave | finland is closed | 20:23 |
| xnt14 | Im guessing that its still good? | 20:23 |
| xnt14 | the bl | 20:24 |
| xnt14 | :( | 20:24 |
| Ave | hard to say since it doesnt even try to boot | 20:24 |
| xnt14 | :( | 20:24 |
| Stskeeps | does it show nokia logo? | 20:24 |
| Ave | yes | 20:24 |
| Ave | and the R&D n700 | 20:24 |
| xnt14 | Stskeeps: it shows the nokia logo + RD icon | 20:24 |
| * RST38h moos evilly | 20:24 | |
| Ave | then dies after few seconds | 20:24 |
| Stskeeps | ah, then it's not that bad off. disable r&d mode | 20:24 |
| Ave | but only when I plug in the charger | 20:25 |
| Ave | how | 20:25 |
| Stskeeps | flasher | 20:25 |
| Ave | usb seems dead | 20:25 |
| xnt14 | he cant flash | 20:25 |
| xnt14 | it just dies | 20:25 |
| Stskeeps | xnt14: flashing is a different thing from setting r&d flag | 20:25 |
| Stskeeps | or removing it | 20:25 |
| xnt14 | oh :P | 20:25 |
| ShadowJK | 3.2 is empty, 2.64 is quite a bit lower... some of the n810 components might have problems running on it, and it might sag even lower during load (charger can't directly power the device) :/ | 20:25 |
| Ave | yeah | 20:26 |
| xnt14 | but he can't go to usb mode | 20:26 |
| Ave | thats why I believe the battery has gone too flat | 20:26 |
| ShadowJK | if it has been this flat for more than a day I would be nervous about charging it | 20:26 |
| Ave | its been days | 20:26 |
| Ave | I wonder if I could just snake in some juice to the gnd and + pins ... | 20:27 |
| Ave | just to get it going | 20:27 |
| xnt14 | ShadowJK, I have run my nit off of the charger only, but only for like an hour | 20:27 |
| Ave | in THEORY li+ needs very controlled charging | 20:27 |
| xnt14 | Ave, I wouldn't do that | 20:27 |
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| Ave | yeah me neither | 20:28 |
| xnt14 | yup | 20:29 |
| Ave | oh well, I'll get a new battery when next available | 20:29 |
| ShadowJK | pif you parallell it with the battery, the battery will suck up a tremendous amount of juice... the danger with less-than-empty li-ion is that shorts start to form inside the battery. those areas inside it that are short-cicuited will locally generate heat, and it only takes a little bit over 130C to ignite it all :) | 20:29 |
| xnt14 | :/ :P | 20:29 |
| Ave | a big badaboom | 20:29 |
| Ave | someone dcc send me a battery | 20:30 |
| ShadowJK | if you think 130 is high, try connect a thin strand of wire across a battery and see how fast it gets hot :) | 20:30 |
| Ave | btdt | 20:30 |
| ShadowJK | (dont do it with a li-ion) | 20:30 |
| Ave | you know how they cut styrofoam with a hotwire | 20:30 |
| ShadowJK | yeah | 20:31 |
| xnt14 | :P | 20:32 |
| ShadowJK | if you have a fireproof container, a well-ventilated area, and a way to attach leads to the battery... | 20:32 |
| Ave | you know how normally the 810 boots into the "charger screen" | 20:32 |
| Ave | I guess it tried, but fails | 20:32 |
| ShadowJK | and a multimeter | 20:32 |
| Ave | the only thing I dont have is a proper power supply | 20:33 |
| Ave | you know with a voltage AND current regulation | 20:33 |
| Ave | a lab power source | 20:33 |
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| ShadowJK | how about 2 aa batteries and a resistor, dmm to monitor current | 20:34 |
| Ave | would ~2 volts be enough to charge? | 20:34 |
| ShadowJK | you'd want it higher than the battery you're trying to charge | 20:34 |
| ShadowJK | but not by much | 20:35 |
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| Ave | well, if the current voltage is 2,64 .. | 20:35 |
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| Ave | ok, I'll calculate some moderate current for it | 20:35 |
| Ave | like 1/50 C | 20:35 |
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| ShadowJK | and monitor current so that it stays at perhaps no more than 100mA until it either explodes or gets back to a healthier voltage | 20:35 |
| Ave | would be 30 mA | 20:35 |
| ShadowJK | or 30 :) | 20:36 |
| Ave | hell what do I have to lose here except my eyes | 20:36 |
| thopiekar | would be somebody so nice and make me a package? | 20:36 |
| ShadowJK | the battery will perform like crap most likely anyway :) | 20:36 |
| ShadowJK | but hey, this is the perfect excuse to buy a 200-eur lab powersupply instead of a new battery :D | 20:37 |
| Ave | indeed | 20:38 |
| ShadowJK | how many days would you say it has been empty? | 20:38 |
| Ave | few days, maybe a week | 20:40 |
| Ave | now its only 2,6 volts | 20:40 |
| ShadowJK | it must be drop to 0 when you try boot :) | 20:41 |
| Ave | 100 ohms please | 20:41 |
| thopiekar | I need portaudio19 for my project but it needs a newer version of libasound so here is a solution which I can't fix myself.. While portaudio needs a newer version of libasound, a sourcepackage where libasound and portaudio are included to make a static version of portaudio. It should compile the newest version of asound and link the build of portaudio19 to it.. could someone make such a package for me? please, please, please, please ? :) | 20:41 |
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| Ave | ok, I got 20 mA going in | 20:55 |
| Ave | hasnt exploded yet :P | 20:55 |
| ShadowJK | the fumes from explosion are toxic, btw :) | 20:55 |
| Ave | I'll be sure to inhale | 20:55 |
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| thopiekar | lcuk: ping | 21:02 |
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| thopiekar | lcuk_coding: I really would need you at #mixxx | 21:04 |
| lcuk_coding | thopiekar, yeah, whats up | 21:04 |
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| thopiekar | I want to port mixxx a DJ'ing program.. mixxx is using opengl so I have to bypass it.. the devs at #mixxx say that I should use your liqbase for it then | 21:05 |
| lcuk_coding | as much as i want to follow you in thopiekar im up to armpits in other things and really trying to get packaging sorted and stuff | 21:06 |
| thopiekar | so the 2d waveform of my port would be fast enough | 21:06 |
| lcuk_coding | but yeah, you should | 21:06 |
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| thopiekar | could you help me somehow if I need help or do you know somebody who isn't busy and could join my project to help me out? | 21:07 |
| Ave | heh | 21:07 |
| Ave | now it goes a bit further in the boot cycle before it shuts down | 21:07 |
| Ave | I see bootmenu texts "hold menu key .." | 21:07 |
| Ave | I'm confident that the battery is just dead, yay | 21:08 |
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| Ave | I got into bootmenu | 21:11 |
| Ave | will wonders ever cease | 21:11 |
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| thopiekar | lcuk_coding: how is the preformance of liqbase on desktops? | 21:15 |
| lcuk_coding | its not optimized there, but i run it on my 700mhz x41 (testing only so far) | 21:16 |
| lcuk_coding | its normally 1.4ghz, but i run in powersave mode | 21:16 |
| lcuk_coding | and its amazing! | 21:16 |
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| thopiekar | cool | 21:17 |
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| xnt14 | lcuk_coding, liqbase on x86? | 21:19 |
| xnt14 | Ave: Awesome so you just need a new battery :) | 21:20 |
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| johnsq | yeah xserver 1.6.1 running and x2x | 21:20 |
| lcuk_coding | xnt14, http://github.com/lcuk | 21:20 |
| lcuk_coding | test it | 21:20 |
| lcuk_coding | give me feedback and patches :) | 21:21 |
| xnt14 | :) | 21:21 |
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| Ave | yeah I'll try to score one tomorrow if the stores are open .. | 21:22 |
| xnt14 | lcuk_coding, no more codebasehq? | 21:22 |
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| lcuk_coding | nope | 21:22 |
| lcuk_coding | all open :) | 21:22 |
| xnt14 | :) | 21:22 |
| lcuk_coding | was meant to land on garage | 21:22 |
| lcuk_coding | but i couldnt get the git-core on my machine to work with it | 21:22 |
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| xnt14 | :) | 21:23 |
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| xnt14 | lcuk_coding, will this play nice with compiz? | 21:24 |
| xnt14 | oh and does it work with a mouse? | 21:24 |
| xnt14 | :P | 21:25 |
| lcuk_coding | does compiz play nice with xv? | 21:25 |
| * xnt14 googles | 21:25 | |
| lcuk_coding | it works, whether its optimal is a different story | 21:25 |
| lcuk_coding | theres no code yet to handle scrollwheel events etc | 21:25 |
| xnt14 | http://www.google.com/search?q=compiz+xv&ie=utf-8&oe=utf-8&aq=t&rls=com.ubuntu:en-US:unofficial&client=firefox-a | 21:25 |
| xnt14 | :) | 21:25 |
| lcuk_coding | just compile and try it | 21:25 |
| xnt14 | ok :) | 21:25 |
| thopiekar | lcuk_coding: is libliqbase os independent ? and here can i find more informations how to use the library? | 21:25 |
| lcuk_coding | there isnt much infos yet thopiekar, but its been written from the ground up to work on X11+XV *on tiny small embedded devices* | 21:26 |
| lcuk_coding | its optimal there and works well there | 21:26 |
| lcuk_coding | and its SHIT HOT on anything more powerful | 21:26 |
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| xnt14 | btw I do have an spare Point of sale monitor ( well not spare anymore its my server monitor now) ill try it on that later, does it require acceleration or does it work on vesa | 21:26 |
| lcuk_coding | xv | 21:26 |
| lcuk_coding | ask in #liqbase anyway, im meant to be coding :$ | 21:27 |
| xnt14 | xD ok | 21:27 |
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| GeneralAntilles | "Feels like 105°F" fun times. | 21:38 |
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| Stskeeps | like 35 C in helsinki, eh | 21:40 |
| * GeneralAntilles is predicting we're going to get just enough rain to jump the humidity up to 100%. | 21:41 | |
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| xnt14 | It was raining like hell this morning in ny | 21:57 |
| andre__ | uargh. testzilla is bitchy and wasted half of my day with its complexity | 21:59 |
| andre__ | GAN800, i still plan to test the Newstyle patch today. finally. be prepared :-P | 21:59 |
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| Stskeeps | newstyle on bugzilla? scary | 22:00 |
| * qwerty12_N810 is waiting on n00b-friendly interface | 22:00 | |
| andre__ | Stskeeps, why? | 22:01 |
| Stskeeps | andre__: it's probably not :P | 22:01 |
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| Guest8740_382 | anyidea what is a rigth path for /splash folder ? | 22:26 |
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| lcuk_coding | RST38h, party in #liqbase lol | 22:38 |
| lcuk_coding | but i wonder that as well | 22:38 |
| VDVsx | everybody is playing/hacking with their new maemo devices :P | 22:39 |
| lcuk_coding | its been dead all day | 22:39 |
| VDVsx | excepting us, that don't get one | 22:39 |
| VDVsx | :) | 22:39 |
| thopiekar | I'm going to take some sleep now.. see you soon! | 22:43 |
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| RST38h | lcuk: thursday. | 22:48 |
| RST38h | must be thursday. | 22:48 |
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