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| timeless_mbp | anyone alive? | 00:48 |
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| johnsq | no | 00:48 |
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| jeremiah | Just barely. | 00:50 |
| * b-man` is dead | 00:50 | |
| b-man` | XD | 00:50 |
| bobpaul_ | when device is locked, you need to use the screen (can move cursor with 5-way, but can't select). Any fix for this? A larger dialog would be helpful. | 00:50 |
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| m | 'lo timeless_mbp (you have a hard to tab-complete nick you know) | 01:06 |
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| timeless_mbp | i respond to timeless | 01:06 |
| lbt | stupid name changing konversation | 01:06 |
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| timeless_mbp | GeneralAntilles: did you ask if the strings were final? | 01:37 |
| timeless_mbp | Stskeeps: you mentioned something about 'decent' comments? | 01:37 |
| * timeless_mbp coughs | 01:37 | |
| timeless_mbp | not even close | 01:37 |
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| * xnt14 throws his server which is in emergency mode out his west window | 02:10 | |
| xnt14 | resulting in a loud smash | 02:10 |
| lcuk | OUCH! | 02:11 |
| xnt14 | and a solar array on xnt14's roof to swivel to the west | 02:12 |
| * lcuk pilfers the solar array and leaves xnt14 without electricity | 02:12 | |
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| * xnt14 switches to generator elecricitty | 02:13 | |
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| * xnt14 walks over to lcuk's house and clips the network cable going to lcuk's computer | 02:14 | |
| xnt14 | *router | 02:14 |
| * lcuk hits xnt14 around the head with a hefty solar array he aquired earlier | 02:15 | |
| * xnt14 loses conciouness | 02:15 | |
| xnt14 | and stabs lcuk in the arm with a katana he had on his back | 02:16 |
| xnt14 | then | 02:16 |
| * xnt14 pricks himself with a wakashi to force himself awake | 02:16 | |
| * lcuk exposes the hidden stylus from his ultra-finger and shoves it far up xnt14's nose | 02:16 | |
| xnt14 | and the he stashes the wakashi in his case | 02:17 |
| xnt14 | and cuts lcuk's finger off while yelping in pain | 02:17 |
| xnt14 | with the katana still in his hand | 02:17 |
| xnt14 | then | 02:17 |
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| * xnt14 pulls a second katana out of his other holder | 02:18 | |
| lcuk | you kanata cannot hurt my finger. its been rebuilt by the best finnish doctors in the world | 02:18 |
| xnt14 | and dashes towards lcuk | 02:18 |
| * lcuk looks left | 02:18 | |
| * lcuk looks right | 02:18 | |
| * lcuk jumps | 02:18 | |
| xnt14 | my katana can cut through anything, it is enhanced | 02:18 |
| xnt14 | by a nanomoleqular edge | 02:19 |
| xnt14 | Im not shure I spelled that right :P | 02:19 |
| * xnt14 spins in place | 02:19 | |
| lcuk | ooh [2009-06-17 02:18:29] liqbase-playground 0.3.7 has been queued for loading into diablo extras-devel repository | 02:19 |
| zakkm | nanomolecular * | 02:20 |
| xnt14 | and throws a bunch of shruinkens in lcuk's eyes | 02:20 |
| xnt14 | xD, thanks | 02:20 |
| lcuk | are they like full sized shurikens? | 02:20 |
| xnt14 | congrats | 02:20 |
| xnt14 | yes | 02:20 |
| xnt14 | then | 02:20 |
| lcuk | did you get em in a happy meal? | 02:20 |
| zakkm | wooh installed full gnome-games in mer :D | 02:20 |
| * xnt14 dashes to the left | 02:20 | |
| xnt14 | :D | 02:20 |
| GeneralAntilles | timeless_mbp, yes. | 02:21 |
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| zakkm | comeonnn workkk :D | 02:21 |
| timeless_mbp | well General... i cough along that general direction | 02:21 |
| zakkm | unable to render file , please check that mahjong is installed correctly :( | 02:21 |
| xnt14 | no, I got them from the local ninja store | 02:21 |
| zakkm | NOOOOOOOO | 02:21 |
| xnt14 | X( | 02:22 |
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| lcuk | qwerty12_N810, if i have a package that includes a script, if that script is manually modified, by you for instance, and the package is then updated | 02:29 |
| lcuk | will your script changes be eaten | 02:29 |
| lcuk | or is it sensible | 02:29 |
| qwerty12_N810 | should be saved | 02:29 |
| lcuk | but i guess if its actually updated by me - AFTER your update it wont be | 02:30 |
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| Brainy142 | hey everyone | 02:59 |
| zakkm | Brainy142: hi | 02:59 |
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| Brainy142 | anyone here tries mer on the smart Q 5 or 7? | 03:00 |
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| Brainy142 | I was wondering if all the apps that are on mer work with the smart Q or if they have to be ported individually? | 03:01 |
| zakkm | its the same apps | 03:03 |
| zakkm | mer should run okay, for q7 i think wifi is still experimental | 03:03 |
| Brainy142 | ok, does it have any GPU acceleration? or is that still in the works? | 03:04 |
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| zakkm | not 100% sure, but id say no .. i mean DSP yes | 03:04 |
| zakkm | but wouldnt think 3d | 03:04 |
| zakkm | not the right person to ask though | 03:04 |
| Brainy142 | I was wondering if it played video's better than the ubuntu os it came with | 03:05 |
| zakkm | you use mplayer? | 03:05 |
| Brainy142 | yup | 03:05 |
| Brainy142 | (not on the smart Q I dont have one yet | 03:05 |
| zakkm | normal xvids should play just fine? | 03:06 |
| Brainy142 | I use it on my ubuntu pc | 03:06 |
| Brainy142 | cool | 03:06 |
| zakkm | like 175/350mb xvids? | 03:06 |
| zakkm | "legal" ? | 03:06 |
| Brainy142 | lol | 03:06 |
| zakkm | they should work just fine without reencoding | 03:06 |
| zakkm | but wouldnt try out 720p :P | 03:06 |
| Brainy142 | Ya I hate encoding mkv's | 03:06 |
| zakkm | mkv wont do. | 03:06 |
| zakkm | just normal .avi | 03:06 |
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| Brainy142 | oh :( | 03:06 |
| zakkm | unless its a really low mkv | 03:07 |
| Brainy142 | ah it doesn't like mp4 got it | 03:07 |
| lcuk | zakkm, i think i got it through! | 03:07 |
| zakkm | ive gotten 100mb mkv, paid horribly... then i gotta a nice 350mb xvid played perfectly | 03:07 |
| lcuk | its in extras-devel | 03:07 |
| zakkm | lcuk: getting it :D | 03:07 |
| Brainy142 | nice | 03:07 |
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| zakkm | also screensize wise, you dont really need much | 03:08 |
| Brainy142 | i might get a smart Q5 and "merrify" it | 03:08 |
| zakkm | i want a smartq :( | 03:08 |
| zakkm | ill trade you my n800 for it :D | 03:08 |
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| Brainy142 | Raz gets a shipment tommorro | 03:08 |
| zakkm | how much | 03:08 |
| Brainy142 | 165 dollars | 03:09 |
| zakkm | ew | 03:09 |
| Brainy142 | shipping and insurance free | 03:09 |
| zakkm | its only 132 i thought | 03:09 |
| zakkm | less with Stskeeps magic discount :D | 03:09 |
| Brainy142 | lol | 03:09 |
| zakkm | lcuk: i dont see it? | 03:09 |
| Brainy142 | I wish nand prices would go down | 03:09 |
| lcuk | queued for delivery lol | 03:09 |
| zakkm | ah man | 03:10 |
| zakkm | is there a deb i can wget __ && dpkg -i ? | 03:10 |
| zakkm | deb link me the one you uploading | 03:10 |
| lcuk | its in the folders for the repo, hmmm just a mo | 03:11 |
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| zakkm | ohh i see it | 03:12 |
| Brainy142 | Ya I wish mkv wasn't so hard to encode into a different file format w/o losin subs :( | 03:12 |
| zakkm | 0.3.7 ? | 03:12 |
| lcuk | yah | 03:12 |
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| Brainy142 | ... I want a magic discount... lol | 03:13 |
| zakkm | its downloading | 03:13 |
| zakkm | Brainy142: he get slike 30% off or something | 03:14 |
| zakkm | developer discount | 03:14 |
| Brainy142 | :( | 03:14 |
| Brainy142 | oh | 03:14 |
| Brainy142 | lol | 03:14 |
| zakkm | you should unmux the mkv | 03:14 |
| zakkm | and then encode | 03:14 |
| Brainy142 | I do just re-encoding it is a pain | 03:14 |
| Brainy142 | as the subs only go on 1/2 the time | 03:14 |
| zakkm | lcuk: ... error'd cause i have liqbase | 03:15 |
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| zakkm | lcuk: cant have liqbase 0.1.5 + liqbase playgrund at same time | 03:15 |
| lcuk | damn i forgot about that | 03:15 |
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| zakkm | did you write that in? | 03:15 |
| lcuk | its 3 bloody files \@/ (the cpu update ones) | 03:15 |
| zakkm | as a conflict? | 03:15 |
| lcuk | no i dunno how :$ | 03:15 |
| zakkm | get the intsaller to rm it then | 03:15 |
| zakkm | in the makefile | 03:16 |
| zakkm | and then liqbase-playground to make them? | 03:16 |
| zakkm | removed liqbase, unpacking again :D | 03:16 |
| zakkm | conflicts should be set when you uploaded to extras? | 03:16 |
| zakkm | uhh problem | 03:16 |
| lcuk | its not in extras | 03:17 |
| lcuk | whats up | 03:17 |
| zakkm | "dpkg: dependency problems prevent configuration of liqbase-playground: liqbase-playgrund depends on libliqbase1; however: package libliqbase1 is not installed." | 03:17 |
| zakkm | had to type that lol | 03:17 |
| lcuk | heh | 03:17 |
| zakkm | ohh are you uploading that too? | 03:17 |
| lcuk | its a dep - perhaps they havent both hit yet | 03:17 |
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| lcuk | yeah | 03:17 |
| lcuk | both passed | 03:17 |
| lcuk | and queued | 03:17 |
| lcuk | they are both listed in | 03:17 |
| zakkm | okay | 03:17 |
| zakkm | gotta find that too then :D | 03:17 |
| lcuk | http://repository.maemo.org/extras-devel/pool/diablo/free/libl/libliqbase/ | 03:17 |
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| lcuk | 0.3.7 | 03:18 |
| zakkm | oh wow different spot ;p | 03:18 |
| zakkm | dev or no dev? | 03:18 |
| lcuk | 1 | 03:18 |
| lcuk | you only need the dev if you are creating things :) | 03:18 |
| Brainy142 | dev is the developers package | 03:19 |
| Brainy142 | O man..... freeciv.... ported to arm..... so awesome my head asplode | 03:19 |
| zakkm | lib installed perfect :D | 03:20 |
| zakkm | freeciv is slow on tablet :P | 03:20 |
| zakkm | its in maemo | 03:20 |
| Brainy142 | :( | 03:20 |
| Brainy142 | noooooo | 03:20 |
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| Brainy142 | my head no longer asplode | 03:20 |
| zakkm | problem again lcuk | 03:21 |
| zakkm | ohh | 03:21 |
| zakkm | no space left? | 03:21 |
| zakkm | maybe thats a error for me then lol | 03:21 |
| zakkm | yeah it is, sorry | 03:21 |
| Brainy142 | that sucks | 03:22 |
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| Brainy142 | running out of space | 03:22 |
| zakkm | i dont normally use maemo from flash | 03:22 |
| zakkm | lost my 4gb sd | 03:22 |
| Brainy142 | ouch | 03:22 |
| Brainy142 | I guess you could just get an 8 gig for 20 dollars | 03:23 |
| zakkm | uhh lcuk it doesnt work | 03:23 |
| zakkm | i dont have money | 03:23 |
| Brainy142 | ah | 03:23 |
| lcuk | money wont help | 03:23 |
| lcuk | what happens when you run | 03:23 |
| Brainy142 | lol | 03:23 |
| Brainy142 | you hit a wall? | 03:24 |
| zakkm | it shows loading, and then cpu goes back to 0 | 03:24 |
| zakkm | whats the terminal command for it? | 03:24 |
| zakkm | ill see if it shows something | 03:24 |
| zakkm | i tried liqbase and liqbase-playgrund but nothing | 03:24 |
| lcuk | liqbase-playground-run.sh | 03:24 |
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| lcuk | tab completion is your friend | 03:24 |
| Brainy142 | are you sure freeciv runs bad... | 03:25 |
| zakkm | omg | 03:25 |
| zakkm | error :D | 03:25 |
| lcuk | big log then error or nothing at all? | 03:25 |
| zakkm | at argument 3 it fails | 03:25 |
| zakkm | onesec let me type this lol | 03:25 |
| lcuk | pastebin the whole thing | 03:26 |
| lcuk | it puts it in context | 03:26 |
| zakkm | 23;26;589 hildon/osso initializing context: org.maemo.processs 1861; arguments to dbus_bus_request_name() were incorrect, assertion "_dbus_check_is_valid_bus_name(name)" failede in file dbus-bus.c line 982. this is normally a bug in some application using the D-Bus library. D-Bus not built with -rdynamic so unable to print a backtrace. Aborted. | 03:26 |
| lcuk | from when you ran it to the end | 03:26 |
| zakkm | no | 03:27 |
| zakkm | ill do the part before that then | 03:27 |
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| zakkm | Welcome to liqbase-playground ver 0.2 you passed 3 arguments argument 0 = ./liqbase-playground argument 1 = -showwidget argument 2 = kotcomix,tagclud......liqbook 23;26;58 hildon/osso (what i said above) | 03:27 |
| zakkm | and then just asks for new command | 03:28 |
| lcuk | dont worry | 03:28 |
| lcuk | i see the bug | 03:28 |
| zakkm | :D | 03:28 |
| * lcuk slaps forehead | 03:28 | |
| lcuk | thanks and sorry | 03:28 |
| zakkm | it could be my install, i do have alot of weird stuff installed in jffs2 | 03:28 |
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| Macer | anybody here have a macbook? | 03:29 |
| zakkm | eww macbook | 03:30 |
| zakkm | i make my mac think its a macbook? does that count? | 03:30 |
| zakkm | lcuk: you have it open ondemand command when liqbase starts? | 03:30 |
| zakkm | your like forcing it? | 03:31 |
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| lcuk | zakkm, at this point yeah | 03:50 |
| lcuk | its a test run | 03:50 |
| zakkm | okay | 03:50 |
| zakkm | im just wondering | 03:50 |
| lcuk | ive just cured both ills with the package hopefully | 03:51 |
| lcuk | thanks for the report | 03:51 |
| zakkm | shall you send again and i try? | 03:52 |
| lcuk | ive made the conflicting files hopefully vanish | 03:52 |
| lcuk | ive renamed em in my side and in the package and where they are used | 03:52 |
| zakkm | ive already deleted liqbase though :( | 03:52 |
| lcuk | just put it back | 03:52 |
| lcuk | your sketches are still there | 03:52 |
| zakkm | sweet :D | 03:52 |
| lcuk | and when the new one lands i think they will coexist | 03:52 |
| zakkm | did you remake the debs for the fixed ones? | 03:53 |
| zakkm | like shall i try again? | 03:53 |
| lcuk | its not in extras yet | 03:54 |
| lcuk | im just pushing the .debs to ftp if you want em from there :) | 03:55 |
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| lcuk | http://liqbase.net/up2/libliqbase-dev_0.3.8_armel.deb http://liqbase.net/up2/liqbase-playground_0.3.8_armel.deb | 03:55 |
| zakkm | not -dev? :P | 03:56 |
| lcuk | http://liqbase.net/up2/libliqbase1_0.3.8_armel.deb | 03:57 |
| lcuk | of course | 03:57 |
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| zakkm | lcuk: doing it, real slow hah | 03:59 |
| lcuk | whats slow | 04:00 |
| zakkm | me downloading + installing on tablet | 04:00 |
| zakkm | ;p | 04:00 |
| lcuk | hah | 04:00 |
| lcuk | i have to contend with gcc running quite often | 04:01 |
| lcuk | but still it works well | 04:01 |
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| zakkm | :( | 04:04 |
| zakkm | lcuk: still doesnt run | 04:04 |
| lcuk | poo sticks | 04:04 |
| lcuk | whats error now | 04:05 |
| zakkm | lcuk: runs if i do it from command? | 04:07 |
| * lcuk redownloads as well | 04:07 | |
| zakkm | woww | 04:08 |
| zakkm | could it be a menu thing perhaps | 04:08 |
| zakkm | that it didnt update menu? | 04:08 |
| lcuk | yeah will be | 04:08 |
| zakkm | or that menu runs as user not root? | 04:08 |
| zakkm | cause from terminal i ran as root | 04:08 |
| lcuk | its likely me screwing up the menu | 04:08 |
| lcuk | does it run tho :O | 04:08 |
| zakkm | uhh lcuk why do you have it open web afterwards | 04:08 |
| zakkm | "thanki you for trying liqbase" | 04:08 |
| zakkm | yeah if i do command | 04:09 |
| zakkm | going to try to learn why | 04:09 |
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| lcuk | zakkm, :) ill make that closing message vanish after its been seen. i think the prblem is bad field in the .desktop | 04:12 |
| lcuk | when i was talking in #liqbase earlier and put the first one out | 04:12 |
| lcuk | it was all setup as "liqbase-playground" | 04:12 |
| lcuk | and it made the desktop crash when it read the .desktop file! | 04:12 |
| lcuk | so i tried to make sure osso was always getting a "legal" name | 04:13 |
| lcuk | liqbase_playground | 04:13 |
| zakkm | lcuk: yeah its just the menu that wont start it | 04:13 |
| lcuk | so look for things which are out of place in that context | 04:13 |
| zakkm | running it from root and user both work under commandline perfectly | 04:13 |
| zakkm | with 0.3.8 . | 04:14 |
| lcuk | :) | 04:14 |
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| lcuk | thats nice to hear | 04:14 |
| zakkm | wheres the .desktop located? | 04:14 |
| zakkm | it wont work from menu | 04:14 |
| zakkm | on goodbye... closing liqbase it starts the web and opens "thank you for trying" | 04:14 |
| zakkm | every time.. | 04:15 |
| zakkm | at least make it start in tear :D | 04:15 |
| lcuk | lol! | 04:15 |
| lcuk | patches accepted ;) | 04:15 |
| zakkm | if it starts in tear, then they know a bit about maemo , otherwise they dont and end-users wont get mad ;p | 04:15 |
| zakkm | hah | 04:16 |
| lcuk | theres no need to start in anything technically | 04:16 |
| zakkm | cause normal end-users dont have tear :P | 04:16 |
| lcuk | i just havent finished the closing screen yet | 04:16 |
| lcuk | liqbase is faster than tear :P | 04:16 |
| zakkm | wheres the menu item .desktop ? | 04:16 |
| lcuk | liqbase doesnt have to tear lol | 04:16 |
| lcuk | /usr/share/applications/hildon/liqbase_playground.desktop | 04:16 |
| Brainy142 | back | 04:17 |
| lcuk | /usr/share/dbus-1/services/org.maemo.liqbase_playground.service | 04:17 |
| lcuk | also, that is related | 04:17 |
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| lcuk | osso should be registered as org.maemo.liqbase_playground | 04:17 |
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| zakkm | hmm | 04:19 |
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| zakkm | org.maemo.liqbase_playground = empty? | 04:19 |
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| lcuk | zakkm, i dont store anything in its osso stuff | 04:21 |
| lcuk | i merely register at the start and close at the end | 04:21 |
| zakkm | what are the alternates, nano, vi .. | 04:21 |
| lcuk | its purely for handshaking | 04:21 |
| zakkm | what else? | 04:21 |
| zakkm | need something better | 04:21 |
| zakkm | going to try messing with .desktop till it works | 04:22 |
| lcuk | for what? | 04:22 |
| zakkm | cli text editing | 04:22 |
| lcuk | im the last personm you should ask ! | 04:22 |
| lcuk | i am a visual basic dev | 04:22 |
| zakkm | ill try vim | 04:22 |
| zakkm | whys there no nano in repositories? | 04:23 |
| lcuk | too big? | 04:23 |
| zakkm | nano - 50kb i think? | 04:23 |
| zakkm | ah no found it | 04:23 |
| zakkm | its in diablo/tools apparently | 04:23 |
| lcuk | if something isnt there, you might wonder why, if you desire it, build it | 04:23 |
| lcuk | ahhh k | 04:24 |
| zakkm | does hildon menu refresh on its own? | 04:25 |
| zakkm | on launch? | 04:25 |
| lcuk | i am not sure | 04:25 |
| zakkm | if i were to edit a .desktop file could i try it out straight away you think? | 04:26 |
| lcuk | i couldnt before but my system is screwed | 04:26 |
| lcuk | it managed to run binaries yours cant! | 04:26 |
| zakkm | well sorrry :( | 04:26 |
| zakkm | my flash one is screwed, and i formatted my boot-to-sd | 04:26 |
| zakkm | moving to mer :D | 04:26 |
| lcuk | the 0.3.7 is installed on my system, it crashed yours because it was accessing memory which had been free()d | 04:26 |
| Brainy142 | don't you have to restart x sometimes for changing things to occur? | 04:27 |
| zakkm | well then its a good thing i was able to test it then isnt it :P | 04:27 |
| lcuk | yeah | 04:27 |
| lcuk | wouldv blown eventually | 04:27 |
| lcuk | but it happens on startup | 04:27 |
| lcuk | so i shoudlv noticed! | 04:27 |
| zakkm | Get:3 http://repository.maemo.org diablo/tools/free nano 2.0.2-1osso6 [553kB] | 04:27 |
| zakkm | woohoo :D | 04:27 |
| zakkm | i cant use anything but nano for textediting cli | 04:28 |
| lcuk | anyway, zakkm, if you find out what it is, send me an email for now, or get the .git source and fix yourself | 04:28 |
| zakkm | im sure its just the .desktop | 04:28 |
| zakkm | i dont even have your email , i guess i could find on google though | 04:28 |
| zakkm | and k | 04:28 |
| lcuk | liquid@gmail.com | 04:28 |
| * zakkm likes to spam peoples emails :) | 04:28 | |
| lcuk | or just call into #liqbase | 04:28 |
| lcuk | i get enough as it stands | 04:29 |
| lcuk | google are good at keeping msot at bay | 04:29 |
| Brainy142 | hotmail fails ata that though :D | 04:29 |
| lcuk | then dont use hotfail | 04:30 |
| zakkm | wait lcuk | 04:30 |
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| zakkm | could it be menu doesnt allow .sh's ? | 04:30 |
| zakkm | .sh has to run in terminal dont they? | 04:30 |
| lcuk | you tell me | 04:30 |
| zakkm | they arent commands on their own? | 04:30 |
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| zakkm | .sh is a set of commands | 04:30 |
| zakkm | a script | 04:30 |
| lcuk | it worked before with .sh :S | 04:30 |
| zakkm | oh really okay | 04:30 |
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| zakkm | im just brainstorming :D | 04:30 |
| lcuk | im v sleepy, tis well past my bedtime | 04:31 |
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| lcuk | gnite zakkm :) have fun in the playground, see what you can discover | 04:32 |
| zakkm | k :) | 04:32 |
| zakkm | goodnight | 04:32 |
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| Brainy142 | have a good day | 04:34 |
| zakkm | dang :( | 04:35 |
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| Brainy142 | playground sounds fun... | 04:38 |
| Brainy142 | so does mar... | 04:38 |
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| zakkm | Brainy142: you new to tablet scene? | 04:41 |
| Brainy142 | yup | 04:41 |
| Brainy142 | still trying to decide weather to "bite the bullet" | 04:41 |
| Brainy142 | portable freeciv sounds so fun... | 04:42 |
| derf | It's really slow. | 04:42 |
| derf | Freeciv, I mean. | 04:43 |
| Brainy142 | like really slow or just slow | 04:43 |
| zakkm | you can play it :D | 04:43 |
| zakkm | but with small screen and such it isnt really worth it | 04:43 |
| derf | But games take a lot longer. | 04:43 |
| zakkm | its alot more of a proof-of-concept i think | 04:43 |
| Brainy142 | cuz i'm on a freaking amd 2000+ with no 3d acell | 04:43 |
| zakkm | why no 3d? | 04:43 |
| Brainy142 | small screen the q7 has 7 inch's | 04:43 |
| zakkm | even a old geforce2 has 3d :P | 04:43 |
| derf | Brainy142: That would be fast in comparison. | 04:43 |
| zakkm | ohh | 04:44 |
| zakkm | on q7 | 04:44 |
| Brainy142 | no 3d due to stupid un supported v card | 04:44 |
| zakkm | lol | 04:44 |
| zakkm | nokias dont have either | 04:44 |
| Brainy142 | lol | 04:44 |
| Brainy142 | how does it generally run though.... besaides freeciv lol | 04:44 |
| zakkm | the OS? | 04:45 |
| zakkm | like using mer? | 04:45 |
| Brainy142 | plus since the q5/7 has otg I could use a mouse :D | 04:45 |
| Brainy142 | ya mer | 04:45 |
| zakkm | would run okay | 04:45 |
| zakkm | pidgin, browser, etc | 04:45 |
| zakkm | gimp is a bit sloww | 04:45 |
| Brainy142 | I just wish it has mkv | 04:45 |
| zakkm | it does, it just cant render it | 04:45 |
| zakkm | it would go like 3-4fps | 04:46 |
| Brainy142 | lol | 04:46 |
| zakkm | its unwatchable but it does work | 04:46 |
| Brainy142 | like my old pocket pc eh? | 04:46 |
| zakkm | tablet alot more powerful ;p | 04:46 |
| zakkm | you'd run mplayer too | 04:46 |
| zakkm | maybe vlc | 04:46 |
| Brainy142 | I like mplayer so thats a bonus | 04:46 |
| zakkm | it uses gmlauncher | 04:47 |
| Brainy142 | do any of the emulators work well? | 04:47 |
| zakkm | mer, ive never tried | 04:47 |
| zakkm | in maemo work really well | 04:47 |
| zakkm | sort of limited though | 04:47 |
| Brainy142 | I tried the x86 version in vbox it took a min to load | 04:47 |
| zakkm | theres scuumvm, gba, gbc, nes , | 04:47 |
| Brainy142 | all I need is a gamepad | 04:47 |
| zakkm | vbox would use your cpu though... | 04:47 |
| zakkm | not the tablets | 04:47 |
| Brainy142 | I know :D runs so slow in vbox | 04:47 |
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| Brainy142 | dam you via | 04:48 |
| Brainy142 | not supporting 3d in linux grr | 04:48 |
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| Brainy142 | I'm kinda used to a bit of slowness | 04:49 |
| Brainy142 | oddly though in windows my old amd 2000 emulates n64 better than my intel dual core | 04:50 |
| Brainy142 | the intel cant even get a steady framerate, while the amd chugged a little every 2 min | 04:51 |
| zakkm | you sure you had driver installed right? | 04:51 |
| zakkm | right plugin? | 04:51 |
| Brainy142 | yup | 04:52 |
| zakkm | intel is way better at emulation | 04:52 |
| Brainy142 | emulated gamecube better than n64???? | 04:52 |
| zakkm | especially in old retro gaming | 04:52 |
| zakkm | i used to belong to a group many years ago that did it | 04:52 |
| Brainy142 | cool | 04:52 |
| Brainy142 | man If you could harness the gpu for 3d in the smart q... dam that would rock | 04:53 |
| Brainy142 | it would run games better than my amd lol | 04:53 |
| Brainy142 | although i'm used to hacking things a bit | 04:54 |
| Brainy142 | I love getting full use of things | 04:54 |
| Brainy142 | does the youtube app work well? | 04:55 |
| zakkm | yup | 04:56 |
| zakkm | youtube itself on browser not so much, you can i dont recommend it though | 04:56 |
| zakkm | might be better in q7 though | 04:56 |
| zakkm | but youtube app works perfectly, theres several too | 04:56 |
| Brainy142 | q5 and q7 have same specs | 04:56 |
| zakkm | in mer you have full ubuntu repository dont forget | 04:56 |
| zakkm | yeah but i never tried either | 04:56 |
| zakkm | i just have a n800 | 04:56 |
| Brainy142 | as long as it's ported to arm... | 04:56 |
| Brainy142 | :D | 04:57 |
| zakkm | which most are? | 04:57 |
| lcuk | arm isnt the problem, its the screensize/dpi/expectations that arent | 04:57 |
| zakkm | ubuntu armel is huge | 04:57 |
| zakkm | the repository | 04:57 |
| zakkm | lcuk: what happened to bed? | 04:57 |
| Brainy142 | hmm... I though nothing was hardly ported | 04:57 |
| lcuk | jacob :| | 04:58 |
| zakkm | :D | 04:58 |
| Brainy142 | hey | 04:58 |
| Brainy142 | your back | 04:58 |
| lcuk | no | 04:58 |
| Brainy142 | oh | 04:58 |
| lcuk | quick smoke before lyin back down | 04:58 |
| Brainy142 | well zakkm would you personally think that mer is worth it on a smart q that costs 164 dollars or is it too premature? | 04:59 |
| lcuk | Brainy142, liqbase was created through a desire to use everything to maximum potential | 04:59 |
| Brainy142 | yay potental | 04:59 |
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| lcuk | Brainy142, http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iMXp0Dg_UaY have a look | 05:00 |
| lcuk | then get the .deb and see if you can create anything in it :) | 05:00 |
| lcuk | it should work nicely on smartq | 05:00 |
| Brainy142 | looks fun | 05:00 |
| zakkm | lcuk: did you try that yet? | 05:00 |
| zakkm | liqbase in mer? | 05:01 |
| lcuk | mer doesnt have xv yet | 05:01 |
| zakkm | oh thats why its so fast | 05:01 |
| lcuk | but theres no rush | 05:01 |
| zakkm | k | 05:01 |
| lcuk | none of us are ready | 05:01 |
| zakkm | i was going to test out cause i got mer in easy mer | 05:01 |
| Brainy142 | that looks amazing | 05:01 |
| zakkm | see if it runs from menu in that :D | 05:01 |
| lcuk | patches welcome tho :) | 05:01 |
| zakkm | pdf reading preferred :D | 05:01 |
| Brainy142 | man I have to like buy one real soon | 05:02 |
| Brainy142 | thats amazing | 05:02 |
| lcuk | the book reader will be back to normal soon | 05:02 |
| zakkm | lcuk: you got a new suckup :D | 05:02 |
| Brainy142 | the touch screen is used very well | 05:02 |
| lcuk | but its fully capable of laying out and displaying full color pages.. with images and fonts etc | 05:02 |
| Brainy142 | do we have any physics games? | 05:03 |
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| lcuk | zakkm, there are a large number of fans, you included :P | 05:03 |
| lcuk | stop calling yourself a suckup :D | 05:03 |
| lcuk | but im goin, gnite | 05:03 |
| Brainy142 | have a good day | 05:03 |
| lcuk | and Brainy142 yeah, the tablets are most than usable :) | 05:03 |
| zakkm | im not, i was referring to Brainy | 05:03 |
| Brainy142 | this kicks the ipods ui out the window | 05:04 |
| zakkm | heh | 05:05 |
| zakkm | ipods are the greatest :D | 05:05 |
| Brainy142 | does the mer site list all of the apps or just some big pics | 05:05 |
| Brainy142 | come on you have to agree the new shuffle= fail | 05:05 |
| Brainy142 | I used to have a touch... then I sold it | 05:06 |
| Brainy142 | I made 30 dollars though :D | 05:06 |
| Brainy142 | *more than I payed* | 05:06 |
| zakkm | im a macfanboy :) | 05:06 |
| Brainy142 | I dislike macs | 05:06 |
| zakkm | :O | 05:07 |
| zakkm | alot of ppl here have macs | 05:07 |
| Brainy142 | I DO however like the disign of them | 05:07 |
| Brainy142 | but I feel the os is a fail | 05:07 |
| zakkm | mac OSX is the greatest OS | 05:07 |
| zakkm | -.- | 05:07 |
| Brainy142 | and price is super fail | 05:07 |
| Brainy142 | mac is linux | 05:07 |
| zakkm | no its not | 05:07 |
| Brainy142 | yup | 05:07 |
| zakkm | not at all | 05:07 |
| zakkm | if anything its BSD , not linux | 05:08 |
| zakkm | but even then its far from BSD | 05:08 |
| Brainy142 | bsd linux whatever | 05:08 |
| Brainy142 | same thing to me | 05:08 |
| zakkm | mac OSX and actual BSD/Linux is hugeely differnet | 05:08 |
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| Brainy142 | the battary life rocks though | 05:08 |
| Brainy142 | on a macbook | 05:08 |
| zakkm | theres nothing similar between linux and mac | 05:09 |
| zakkm | -.- | 05:09 |
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| zakkm | besides maybe the file tree | 05:09 |
| Brainy142 | like the lappy the school gave me gives me 1.5 hrs of battary with wifi | 05:09 |
| zakkm | the school gave you a laptop?! | 05:09 |
| zakkm | damn | 05:09 |
| zakkm | i want | 05:09 |
| jaem_N810 | it only gets 1.5hrs? | 05:09 |
| jaem_N810 | that's terrible | 05:10 |
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| Brainy142 | ya toshiba | 05:10 |
| zakkm | gave... as in free? :D | 05:10 |
| jaem_N810 | huh | 05:10 |
| Brainy142 | older pentium m | 05:10 |
| zakkm | what school is this? | 05:10 |
| jaem_N810 | zakkm: I got one too, way back in grade 7 | 05:10 |
| zakkm | lucky omg | 05:10 |
| Brainy142 | It stays at the school but I use it to type sometimes | 05:10 |
| jaem_N810 | and since it was HP junk, it kept dying | 05:10 |
| zakkm | im in grade 12, well finished in a week its exam week.. and i never had a laptop :( | 05:10 |
| Brainy142 | our elementary schools in canada have MACBOOKS | 05:10 |
| zakkm | i want one so much | 05:10 |
| Brainy142 | FREAKIN MACBOOKS | 05:10 |
| zakkm | how?! | 05:11 |
| zakkm | Brainy142: i live in Toronto, Canada. | 05:11 |
| jaem_N810 | and every time it died, Tech Support would be so awful that I'd wind up getting a new model after complaining for a week or two | 05:11 |
| Brainy142 | like I was helping to teach and we had a room with like 20 macbooks | 05:11 |
| zakkm | omg | 05:11 |
| zakkm | luckyy | 05:11 |
| zakkm | i would do alotttt for a macbook | 05:11 |
| Brainy142 | our high school has quad core pc's | 05:12 |
| Brainy142 | they are like so fast | 05:12 |
| zakkm | lol | 05:12 |
| Brainy142 | especally at video conversion | 05:12 |
| jaem_N810 | the only computers I haven't gotten free in the last 9 years were my N810 and a cheapo desktop :D | 05:12 |
| zakkm | you got a free n810!? | 05:12 |
| Brainy142 | lol | 05:12 |
| zakkm | damn | 05:12 |
| jaem_N810 | zakkm: no | 05:12 |
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| Brainy142 | he said "haven't" | 05:12 |
| jaem_N810 | I payed for that | 05:12 |
| zakkm | oh | 05:13 |
| zakkm | so what did you get that was free ? | 05:13 |
| jaem_N810 | I got everything else in the last 9 years free, one way or another | 05:13 |
| zakkm | damn | 05:13 |
| Brainy142 | I got a psp for 60 dollars | 05:13 |
| jaem_N810 | at the end of spring term, I ended up with 3 laptops | 05:13 |
| Brainy142 | nice | 05:13 |
| zakkm | jaem_N810: send me one :) | 05:13 |
| Brainy142 | *yoinks lappy* | 05:13 |
| jaem_N810 | one on loan, one with a dead hdd that I replaced and gave to my sister... | 05:13 |
| zakkm | omg | 05:13 |
| zakkm | i want a laptop | 05:14 |
| jaem_N810 | and one that a floormate couldn't fit in her suitcase | 05:14 |
| Brainy142 | nice | 05:14 |
| zakkm | been watching craigslist | 05:14 |
| jaem_N810 | not kidding | 05:14 |
| Brainy142 | craigs had a really got deal a mth ago | 05:14 |
| jaem_N810 | zakkm: CL laptop's are sketchy at best | 05:14 |
| zakkm | CL ? | 05:14 |
| Brainy142 | they had a tablet pc for like 250 | 05:14 |
| jaem_N810 | as are most used ones | 05:14 |
| zakkm | ah | 05:14 |
| zakkm | yeah | 05:14 |
| zakkm | i want one for september | 05:14 |
| jaem_N810 | a friend of mine bought one | 05:14 |
| zakkm | for school and such | 05:14 |
| zakkm | and im joining stock market too an d such so i got alot to watch | 05:14 |
| Brainy142 | I'l probably use the smart q as my lappy... | 05:14 |
| jaem_N810 | the guy didn't tell him that the power jack was loose | 05:15 |
| Brainy142 | lol | 05:15 |
| jaem_N810 | nor did he tell him that he had tried to solder it back on himself | 05:15 |
| jaem_N810 | nor that he had never picked up a soldering iron before in his life | 05:15 |
| zakkm | heh | 05:15 |
| jaem_N810 | it was painful to look at | 05:15 |
| Brainy142 | all I have to do Is find out if the Razzonator is going to give a free win ce upgrade or not | 05:15 |
| zakkm | i learned to use one in computer engineer :D | 05:15 |
| jaem_N810 | anyhow, I'm trying to change the fonts in the gtkrc file for a copy of the Echo theme... | 05:16 |
| Brainy142 | our school it = fail | 05:16 |
| jaem_N810 | and the font isn't changing... | 05:16 |
| zakkm | font changing isnt hard? | 05:16 |
| zakkm | do find and replace? | 05:16 |
| jaem_N810 | well, it shouldn't be | 05:16 |
| zakkm | did you save file, rerun theme | 05:16 |
| zakkm | like choose another theme | 05:16 |
| jaem_N810 | but is there a specific format for the font name, maybe? | 05:16 |
| jaem_N810 | yeah | 05:16 |
| Brainy142 | they came into our class and like 3 computer broke for no reason at all | 05:16 |
| zakkm | and then choose it again | 05:16 |
| jaem_N810 | yeah | 05:16 |
| zakkm | clear gtk font cache? | 05:16 |
| Brainy142 | and me and my friend are pretty much the regular IT | 05:16 |
| jaem_N810 | I was trying to figure out how to do that on Maemo | 05:17 |
| jaem_N810 | zakkm: hint? | 05:17 |
| Brainy142 | and were just students | 05:17 |
| zakkm | uhh | 05:17 |
| zakkm | same as ubuntu i would think | 05:17 |
| zakkm | ill try googling | 05:17 |
| Brainy142 | they guy was using a MAC to try to inspect a windows machiene | 05:17 |
| zakkm | gtk-update-font-cache ? | 05:17 |
| Brainy142 | and the IT guy hates linux | 05:18 |
| jaem_N810 | oh right... | 05:18 |
| jaem_N810 | duh | 05:18 |
| jaem_N810 | zakkm: not there | 05:18 |
| zakkm | uhh no clue | 05:18 |
| zakkm | tried rebooting? | 05:18 |
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| zakkm | you sure you changed right gtkrc? | 05:18 |
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| Brainy142 | although the mac os is pretty much a fail in itself, it crashed more than our windows computers | 05:19 |
| jaem_N810 | zakkm: no, I was getting there, and yes, I am | 05:19 |
| jaem_N810 | I'll be right back | 05:19 |
| Brainy142 | ok if you wont agree that mac is a fail that at LEAST agree that Itunes is fail | 05:20 |
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| zakkm | ITUNES? | 05:21 |
| zakkm | itunes is the greatest? | 05:21 |
| zakkm | itunes for windows sucks | 05:21 |
| zakkm | but itunes for mac = godly | 05:21 |
| Brainy142 | lol | 05:22 |
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| Brainy142 | I myself have used itunes on windows and macs and it fails | 05:22 |
| zakkm | no appreciating | 05:22 |
| Brainy142 | but I will agree it runs somewhat better on a mac | 05:22 |
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| Brainy142 | Itunes ran like crap on my windows it was worse than windows media player | 05:23 |
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| Brainy142 | I dont even know HOW they accomplished that | 05:23 |
| jaem_N810 | zakkm, is there a way to just restart X and friends on the N810 easily? | 05:23 |
| Brainy142 | ctrl alt backspace | 05:24 |
| jaem_N810 | Brainy142: that *would* be quite a feat | 05:24 |
| zakkm | jaem_N810: run killall hildon-desktop | 05:24 |
| zakkm | in terminal | 05:24 |
| jaem_N810 | Brainy142: I only have two of those keys | 05:24 |
| zakkm | as user | 05:24 |
| Brainy142 | lol | 05:24 |
| zakkm | run killall hildon-desktop | 05:24 |
| jaem_N810 | zakkm: I couldn't remember if it would come back up after that. | 05:24 |
| jaem_N810 | it does? | 05:24 |
| zakkm | i do it all the time ;p | 05:24 |
| Brainy142 | Like itunes took like 30 seconds to chance a folder. | 05:24 |
| Brainy142 | if that doesn't work just reboot | 05:25 |
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| jaem_N810 | okay, thanks | 05:25 |
| zakkm | jaem it depends how you set it | 05:25 |
| zakkm | if you killall -9 it may not come back | 05:25 |
| jaem_N810 | ah | 05:25 |
| jaem_N810 | okay | 05:25 |
| zakkm | but if you just killall ... hildon will start it up again | 05:25 |
| jaem_N810 | thanks :P | 05:25 |
| jaem_N810 | bye | 05:25 |
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| Brainy142 | one thing I hated about a mac was no fullscreen | 05:26 |
| Brainy142 | although hackintoshes are so cool | 05:27 |
| Brainy142 | soo funny to see one | 05:27 |
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| timeless_mbp | "Application '%s' suffered an internal error and had to close." | 09:07 |
| timeless_mbp | ok... who hear feels some sympathy for %s? it had to suffer! | 09:07 |
| timeless_mbp | s/hear/here/ | 09:07 |
| infobot | timeless_mbp meant: ok... who here feels some sympathy for %s? it had to suffer! | 09:07 |
| RST38h | *yawn* | 09:08 |
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| thux | morning | 09:16 |
| timeless_mbp | Stskeeps: ping | 09:18 |
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| zakkm | anyone know mpd on maemo? | 09:21 |
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| Macer | keepin it real in the 2 double oh 9 | 09:24 |
| zakkm | ? | 09:25 |
| Macer | hi | 09:26 |
| zakkm | Macer: can you help me with sonata + mpd please | 09:26 |
| Macer | i dont use either | 09:26 |
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| zakkm | sonata wont read the mpd for the some reason | 09:27 |
| zakkm | and if i goto preferences | 09:27 |
| zakkm | i cant see it all | 09:27 |
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| Stskeeps | timeless_mbp: pong, from bus | 09:32 |
| timeless_mbp | so, do you want to manage the changelog garbage or should i? | 09:32 |
| zakkm | Stskeeps: got sound working :D in mer 0.13 ^^ | 09:33 |
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| Stskeeps | timeless_mbp: define changelog garbage | 09:34 |
| timeless_mbp | well, if i'm making an en_US package | 09:34 |
| timeless_mbp | and my input is en_GB | 09:34 |
| timeless_mbp | do you want me to write the changelog thing, or would you magically do it for me :) | 09:34 |
| Stskeeps | ah, i guess i can do that | 09:35 |
| Stskeeps | right now we focus on the po's i guess, packaging remains unchosen | 09:36 |
| timeless_mbp | ok | 09:36 |
| timeless_mbp | i'll give you a full thing once just for kicks | 09:36 |
| timeless_mbp | (and also because i want to run it!) | 09:36 |
| Stskeeps | hehe | 09:36 |
| zakkm | discovered mer looks so nice setting background to pure black :D | 09:37 |
| zakkm | gnome-games works well :D | 09:37 |
| zakkm | too | 09:37 |
| zakkm | Stskeeps: might i suggest xpdf as the "mer pdf reader" , seems to run very well in mer | 09:38 |
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| Stskeeps | xpdf has a interface like old motif days though | 09:40 |
| zakkm | but it loads instantly, and low on resources | 09:40 |
| zakkm | has scrollbar..and mer adds the nice next page / flip pages and such at bottom | 09:40 |
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| zakkm | can write page.. and it will go | 09:41 |
| Stskeeps | screenshot? | 09:41 |
| zakkm | has zoom at bottom and quit | 09:41 |
| zakkm | how do you set time in scrot? | 09:41 |
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| Stskeeps | scrot? | 09:41 |
| zakkm | screenshot command? | 09:42 |
| zakkm | oh wait i think i know | 09:42 |
| Stskeeps | use load applet | 09:42 |
| zakkm | oh that works? | 09:42 |
| zakkm | where does it save it? | 09:42 |
| Stskeeps | ~/MyDocs/.images | 09:43 |
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| zakkm | Stskeeps: http://i39.tinypic.com/33lnga9.png | 09:44 |
| Stskeeps | ugly as sin but functional.. | 09:45 |
| zakkm | well its xpdf | 09:45 |
| zakkm | forget what toolkit that is | 09:46 |
| zakkm | but its the really windowmaker one ;p | 09:46 |
| zakkm | yeah but it loads fast, im guessing real low on resources, and the actual UI is pretty good | 09:46 |
| zakkm | has quit button too, mer doesnt really have one | 09:46 |
| zakkm | it already works. | 09:46 |
| RST38h | Looks ok to me | 09:47 |
| zakkm | and opens instantly | 09:47 |
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| Stskeeps | mer has one in the rightmost x | 09:47 |
| zakkm | i dont know i was just thinking what apps to install and then xpdf came to mind and i thought it looked quite nice | 09:47 |
| zakkm | i dont see it? | 09:47 |
| zakkm | from taskbar button yes but thats too button | 09:47 |
| zakkm | two button* | 09:47 |
| zakkm | could it be my bad install? | 09:48 |
| Stskeeps | the round thing with half circle.. | 09:48 |
| zakkm | thats two button closing ;p | 09:48 |
| zakkm | but other advantages | 09:48 |
| zakkm | especially for 770 people | 09:48 |
| zakkm | having xpdf. | 09:48 |
| zakkm | cpu , ram wise and such | 09:48 |
| Stskeeps | mm | 09:49 |
| zakkm | obviously evince would be nicer, or osso-pdf? if thats the name but more resource hungry | 09:49 |
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| zakkm | just a thought ;) | 09:50 |
| zakkm | tetravex is so cool in mer :D ( gnome-games ) | 09:50 |
| zakkm | works so perfectly | 09:50 |
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| * timeless_mbp grumbles | 09:58 | |
| timeless_mbp | Stskeeps: so... | 09:58 |
| timeless_mbp | fooopy-l10n-public; fooopy-l10n-public-enus1 ? | 09:59 |
| timeless_mbp | or foopy-l10n-enus1 ? | 09:59 |
| timeless_mbp | (some o's cost extra) | 09:59 |
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| Macer | hm | 10:20 |
| zakkm | hey Macer :D | 10:21 |
| zakkm | did that thing work from yesterday? | 10:21 |
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| Macer | yeah | 10:23 |
| zakkm | wooh :) | 10:23 |
| Macer | i watched it. | 10:23 |
| Macer | lol | 10:23 |
| zakkm | it was good? | 10:23 |
| Macer | not as good as it used to be | 10:24 |
| zakkm | lol | 10:24 |
| zakkm | lost its touch? | 10:24 |
| Macer | yeah haha | 10:24 |
| Macer | it is too early 90s | 10:24 |
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| Macer | where they were doing the transition away from the 80s | 10:25 |
| zakkm | :) | 10:25 |
| Macer | like highlander the show | 10:25 |
| Macer | where the dude wears purple suits haha | 10:26 |
| zakkm | :P | 10:26 |
| zakkm | never seen that show | 10:26 |
| Macer | wow really? highlander was pretty good | 10:26 |
| RST38h | Is Highlander still on? | 10:26 |
| Macer | hahaha no | 10:27 |
| zakkm | i guess im a later generation ? :D | 10:27 |
| zakkm | goooo DAWSONS CREEK :D | 10:27 |
| Macer | i never watched dawsons creek | 10:27 |
| zakkm | ew! | 10:27 |
| zakkm | :) | 10:27 |
| Macer | that show was for like... 15 yr old suburban white girls | 10:27 |
| Macer | like 90210.. where they had 7 years of them in high school | 10:28 |
| zakkm | wow dillo in mer :D | 10:28 |
| Macer | i should get an n810 | 10:29 |
| Macer | is there openoffice for mer? :) | 10:29 |
| Macer | with cups support? | 10:29 |
| Macer | i was excited because they released androffice for android with openoffice file support | 10:30 |
| Macer | until i found out it was just a spreadsheet | 10:30 |
| Macer | with "plans to add a word processor soon" | 10:31 |
| * RST38h remembers Saved By The Bell | 10:31 | |
| RST38h | Does it make me an old geezer? | 10:31 |
| zakkm | lol | 10:31 |
| zakkm | whats wrong with abiword? | 10:31 |
| RST38h | it is just a word processor? | 10:31 |
| RST38h | it does not quite work? | 10:31 |
| zakkm | abiword is word processor | 10:31 |
| zakkm | gnumeric is the spreadsheet | 10:31 |
| RST38h | you asked about abiword though | 10:32 |
| aquatix | abiword is quite nice imho | 10:32 |
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| wazd | heya maemo | 10:39 |
| RST38h | heya wazd | 10:39 |
| wazd | http://s41.radikal.ru/i092/0906/6c/7bd0808c80ce.jpg <- what do you think bout folder icons? | 10:39 |
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| RST38h | not the same as the yellow folder icon on the right side? =) | 10:40 |
| Corsac | (is that a mockup or real code?) | 10:41 |
| wazd | Corsac: mockup | 10:41 |
| wazd | RST38h: well, no :) | 10:41 |
| zakkm | deluge in mer - http://i41.tinypic.com/2rrqixj.png | 10:42 |
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| RST38h | shit, do not push me this close to installing mer... | 10:44 |
| zakkm | ? | 10:44 |
| zakkm | RST38h: you dont have mer yet? | 10:44 |
| RST38h | it starts looking too good | 10:44 |
| RST38h | zakkm: No, I do not really have a need right now | 10:44 |
| zakkm | dillo in mer is amazingg :D | 10:44 |
| Stskeeps | that's easy mer though | 10:44 |
| Stskeeps | for good measure | 10:45 |
| zakkm | uh huh of course :) | 10:45 |
| zakkm | full screen keyboard :P | 10:45 |
| zakkm | Stskeeps: did you look at dillo - http://i41.tinypic.com/2i1eeo.png ? | 10:45 |
| zakkm | works really well if only i had a n810 | 10:45 |
| Stskeeps | zakkm: yeah | 10:45 |
| zakkm | has tabs and all | 10:46 |
| zakkm | ahh i want a n810 | 10:46 |
| zakkm | Stskeeps: is there a easy way to force popup stylus keyboard? | 10:46 |
| zakkm | not matchbox. | 10:46 |
| zakkm | Stskeeps: whats so bad about easymer, beside the chroot slowness? | 10:47 |
| Stskeeps | zakkm: it shows a battery applet by default and may cheat people into thinking we have it :P | 10:48 |
| zakkm | actual mer doesnt have a battery applet? | 10:48 |
| zakkm | really? | 10:48 |
| Stskeeps | we do, and will soon by default | 10:48 |
| zakkm | ah i probably installed advanced one perhaps? | 10:48 |
| qwerty12_N810 | Stskeeps: i'm working on getting toggles hald-bme-addon working with apmd today | 10:48 |
| Stskeeps | sicne we made a replacement hald-addon-bme | 10:48 |
| Stskeeps | qwerty12_N810: k | 10:49 |
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| Stskeeps | (sounds great) | 10:51 |
| zakkm | Stskeeps: easymer is good though, cause it brings in thumb keyboard, for those who hate stylus, and the maemos mplayer, and tear and such | 10:55 |
| Stskeeps | mm | 10:55 |
| zakkm | also you dont need to mess with partitions | 10:56 |
| zakkm | for those who arent techsavvy enough to create partitions and such | 10:56 |
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| xnt14[server] | xpdf? :P | 14:46 |
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| RST38h | moo qwerty | 15:02 |
| qwerty12_N810 | hey RST38h :) | 15:02 |
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| lcuk | RST38h, \o | 15:09 |
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| RST38h | hey alcuk | 15:12 |
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| jeremiah | Jaffa: What is a numpty? =) | 15:21 |
| X-Fade | jeremiah: Dude, you are really missing out, if you don't know that! | 15:22 |
| X-Fade | jeremiah: http://maemo.org/downloads/product/OS2008/numptyphysics/ | 15:22 |
| jeremiah | I have no idea. :-/ | 15:22 |
| X-Fade | jeremiah: Install it and instantly waste a few hours :) | 15:23 |
| jeremiah | I have seen that package, but not downloaded it. | 15:23 |
| X-Fade | It is awesome. | 15:23 |
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| jeremiah | Wow - sure has positive reviews. | 15:23 |
| X-Fade | I played it on the developer device and it was wicked fast and accurate. | 15:23 |
| Jaffa | X-Fade: that's not the usage he's referring to | 15:24 |
| jeremiah | I will have to download it . . . take it to lunch with me. | 15:24 |
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| Jaffa | jeremiah: British slang. Synonyms: plonker, idiot, fool, person who is too rash. http://en.wiktionary.org/wiki/numpty | 15:24 |
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| jeremiah | Jaffa: Ta! | 15:28 |
| lbt | Jaffa.... did you see my WONTFIX msg on -devel | 15:29 |
| Jaffa | lbt: I did. Good idea. | 15:30 |
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| lbt | may want to raise it at some point and track it | 15:30 |
| Jaffa | lbt: Not sure how to make it work in practice. Brain has put it on to background processing queue | 15:31 |
| lbt | me neither... just a concept that WONTFIX often should really be DISCONTINUED_PRODUCT | 15:31 |
| lbt | and in that case we want a handover to community support | 15:32 |
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| johnsq | Hi | 15:33 |
| jeremiah | Gotta get some lunch . . . | 15:36 |
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| lbt | jeremiah_lunch: you mean numpty | 15:38 |
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| johnsq | mmm with qemu fluxbox compiles, on the n810 not :( | 15:52 |
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| lcuk | X-Fade, doesnt the fremantle stars mention a problem with tracking the mouse with numpty? | 16:05 |
| * lcuk looks again | 16:05 | |
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| X-Fade | lcuk: There was what looked like a rendering bug? | 16:05 |
| lcuk | http://wiki.maemo.org/Fremantle_Stars | 16:05 |
| X-Fade | lcuk: A yellow line at the end of a 'texture'. | 16:05 |
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| lcuk | dunno, it says " Wrong startup and seems that touch events are wrongly registered" | 16:06 |
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| lcuk | maybe the grid got misfilled in | 16:06 |
| lcuk | if its playable, thats great news tho! | 16:06 |
| lcuk | perhaps whoever added that to the wiki was using something different | 16:06 |
| X-Fade | lcuk: I played it at the meeting at least. | 16:06 |
| X-Fade | lcuk: And there was no multitasking etc, so exiting was a bit tough ;) | 16:07 |
| X-Fade | lcuk: But other than that, not too bad. | 16:07 |
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| lcuk | heh | 16:07 |
| lcuk | X-Fade, i have a partially broken package of the liqbase-playground up now, it managed to pass autobuilder for all 3 distros | 16:08 |
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| lcuk | but i had some feedback this morning that the fremantle one wont start from its icon | 16:08 |
| X-Fade | lcuk: Desktop file ok? | 16:09 |
| lcuk | i know it wont from diablo (tho i dont see why not, it works on my 810 here :S) | 16:09 |
| lcuk | i dunno, i managed to crash hildon last night with an evil desktop file | 16:09 |
| lcuk | "liqbase-playground" in the osso fields is enough to blow it up! | 16:09 |
| lcuk | so i made a tweak, tested on my device and uploaded and it was fine | 16:09 |
| lcuk | but ppl with it are saying it wont start from the icon | 16:09 |
| lcuk | but it runs from the console lol "liqbase-playground-run.sh" :) | 16:10 |
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| * lcuk has no hair, is battered and bruised and still its not perfect, but its getting closer :) | 16:11 | |
| RST38h | and one finger less | 16:13 |
| lcuk | no, now the finger has grown back together its LONGER | 16:13 |
| lcuk | ive got an evil nail thats almost 2x longer than the others | 16:14 |
| lcuk | and the tip has settled all strangely :S | 16:14 |
| lcuk | but, its back together and usable | 16:14 |
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| Stskeeps | wb | 16:15 |
| lcuk | hey gan | 16:15 |
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| lbt | hey GAN800 how come you don't hang out in #mer? | 16:18 |
| lcuk | lbt, he does | 16:18 |
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| Stskeeps | lbt, mobile to save bw prolly | 16:20 |
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| fiferboy | lbt: Have you been able to merge all the qt-maemo branches yet? | 16:31 |
| fiferboy | It looks like Antonio has been doing a lot of work on it recently | 16:31 |
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| jeremiah_lunch | I've been fooling a little with python and Qt. | 16:32 |
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| jeremiah_lunch | Cool how quickly and easily you can create little apps | 16:32 |
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| jeremiah_lunch | Shame about the GIL though. That makes python almost unusable on modern machines. :-( | 16:32 |
| lbt | no.. he seems to be still active | 16:32 |
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| lbt | GIL ? | 16:33 |
| jeremiah | GIL : http://blip.tv/file/2232410 | 16:33 |
| GAN800 | Maemo is a broken piece of shit, Symbian is a broken piece of shit, Ubuntu is a broken piece of shit, OS X is a broken piece of shit. It's apparently impossible to produce a half way decent piece of software. | 16:33 |
| GAN800 | I hate computers so much. | 16:33 |
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| b-man16 | rofl | 16:33 |
| jeremiah | Well, you're in the right business! | 16:33 |
| lbt | GAN800 is now known as Marvin | 16:34 |
| jeremiah | GAN800: Try debian. :P | 16:34 |
| jaska | should train some colon bacteria to develop software, get more shit faster | 16:34 |
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| GAN800 | ICD dies, so a restart is required to regain connectivity. Which, of course, messes up the phone so you also have to restart that. | 16:34 |
| * GAN800 sighs. | 16:34 | |
| lcuk | GAN800, maybe the problem was the phone all along | 16:36 |
| lcuk | unless its a nokia one | 16:37 |
| lcuk | in which case the problem was the proximity to a bookstore with shit on the walls | 16:37 |
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| lcuk | jeremiah, you say the gil causes it to be unusable on modern machines, isnt python quite a widely used language now? | 16:46 |
| Stskeeps | in terms of threading | 16:47 |
| lcuk | yeah, but thats because you are using a toy language to do a grown up job lol | 16:48 |
| lcuk | ;) | 16:48 |
| * lcuk is flamebait | 16:48 | |
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| lcuk | Stskeeps, seriously thou, is it bad enough to prevent running simple apps like jeremiah suggests.. | 16:49 |
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| lcuk | my thinking with python was its quick simple binding language, works but dont expect perf beyond what the c libs underlying it can give | 16:50 |
| * GAN800 hates assholes who stick business cards in books. | 16:51 | |
| b-man16 | heh | 16:51 |
| Razumihin | I think they're pretty good bookmarks :) | 16:51 |
| lcuk | GAN800, you are a bundle of joy today | 16:51 |
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| Razumihin | I use receipts also ;) | 16:51 |
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| * lcuk turns down the corners | 16:52 | |
| lcuk | i especially do it when im reading in the book store | 16:53 |
| GAN800 | lcuk, somebody scrambled the room I'm trying to inventory. | 16:53 |
| lcuk | but i hate going back a few days later and my book has been moved | 16:53 |
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| lcuk | i have to keep reading the same bits over and over | 16:53 |
| GAN800 | Razumihin, these folks are looking for free advertising. Besides, we give away free bookmarks here. ;) | 16:53 |
| GAN800 | Dog earing is evil. | 16:54 |
| lcuk | GAN800, tracy used to maintain the delivery and stock for a large bookstore in uk, random assorted inventory stacked to the ceiling was quite common | 16:54 |
| lcuk | (or so i hear) | 16:54 |
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| * lcuk picks up a crime thriller book | 16:55 | |
| * lcuk browses whilst walking | 16:55 | |
| * lcuk puts it back in the atlas section | 16:55 | |
| b-man16 | xD | 16:56 |
| fiferboy | lbt: I finally got the the link stage on QWebKit, and it couldn't start it because I hadn't compile the phonon libraries yet! | 16:56 |
| lbt | heh | 16:56 |
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| fiferboy | Now I have to go through sql, qscript, etc before the dpkg-buildpackage gets to 3rdparty | 16:57 |
| Razumihin | GAN800: :) | 16:57 |
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| lcuk | lbt / fiferboy why on earth do you guys spend sooooo long recompiling each piece multiple times, isnt half this stuff prebuilt and modularized? | 17:04 |
| lbt | we don't ... make handles it | 17:04 |
| lbt | but the linking is pretty heavy-duty | 17:05 |
| lbt | and in emulation it's slow | 17:05 |
| fiferboy | lcuk: I don't generally recompile the entire source after a change, it's just my old method would not link webkit so I had to start over in qemu | 17:05 |
| lbt | Qt isn't small | 17:05 |
| lcuk | i know its not small, but all these heavy duty libraries sound like hard work | 17:06 |
| lcuk | for instance, i can link to sqlite and other libs eassily | 17:06 |
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| fiferboy | Qt's sql module allows you to link to sqlite, mysql, etc using virtually the exact same code. | 17:07 |
| fiferboy | You can even connect to different sql backends from a single application with a couple of settings in the app. | 17:07 |
| lcuk | yeah fiferboy - i get that in windows with oledb etc | 17:08 |
| fiferboy | Have it use sqlite on the device, but also connect to a mysql server to copy/backup your work | 17:08 |
| fiferboy | But the qt sql module will use almost all of the features of each database driver without having the limitations of a generic interface | 17:08 |
| lcuk | (for instance) what if i used advanced distributed transactions only available in sql server, they would fail with other dbms's tho | 17:09 |
| fiferboy | If the db driver supports transactions you can use them, if it doesn't it will still work (just without transactions) | 17:10 |
| fiferboy | You can also query what features the db driver you are using supports, and handle them differently if you need to. | 17:10 |
| lcuk | yeah - thats the same with oledb, but if i call a transaction method on a non transaction aware backend errors are raised (for very good reason) | 17:11 |
| lcuk | or if the backend supports it but i open it in the wrong way | 17:12 |
| lcuk | was just theoretical anyway, doesnt matter - i agree qt is wonderful in its crossplatformedness | 17:12 |
| fiferboy | Things will also be handled differently for drivers (like sqlite) that don't return how many rows a query has and drivers that do support that | 17:13 |
| lcuk | i just think its heavy duty hearing about all the rebuilding | 17:13 |
| fiferboy | Definitely too heavy to want to do a daily compile :) | 17:13 |
| lcuk | yeah but wouldnt the .so for sqlite from yeasterday work | 17:13 |
| fiferboy | Yes. But I had to start the build from scratch. | 17:14 |
| fiferboy | Once the first build is over, I will just rebuild the library I need | 17:14 |
| fiferboy | Unfortunately, the library I need it the one that take 1.3 GB (or something) to link | 17:14 |
| lcuk | holy .... the kernel and most of maemo as a whole including all libs takes less than that! | 17:15 |
| jeremiah | lcuk: Yeah, python is used everywhere. But it runs slower on dual core than on single core. | 17:16 |
| fiferboy | And it is not really Qts fault, it is the webkit module that uses the same webkit (with qt interface) as other browsers | 17:16 |
| jeremiah | That is a huge problem going forward | 17:16 |
| jeremiah | Especially since even cell phone processors will be multi-core starting next year | 17:17 |
| lcuk | heh jeremiah just wait until each single core in a dualy is faster than a single now | 17:17 |
| lcuk | then you cant complain | 17:17 |
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| jeremiah | lcuk: The problem is python's implementation of threads | 17:17 |
| jeremiah | That is big and hairy. | 17:17 |
| lcuk | jeremiah, something was lost in the mysts of time, it used to be expected for apps to share the workload around different co-processors | 17:17 |
| X-Fade | jeremiah: Most problems in python are not cpu related. | 17:17 |
| X-Fade | jeremiah: It is the huge io cost of starting python with all libs. | 17:18 |
| jeremiah | But the GIL! | 17:18 |
| X-Fade | Once it is running, it is mostly ok. | 17:18 |
| jeremiah | That is the big, big problem. | 17:18 |
| jeremiah | It does not scale to multi-core! | 17:18 |
| X-Fade | jeremiah: As is with every interpreter. | 17:18 |
| jeremiah | Its threading calls are just out to C and pthreads | 17:18 |
| jeremiah | The internals are ten years old. | 17:19 |
| jeremiah | And Guido has no interest in updating them | 17:19 |
| jeremiah | http://blip.tv/file/2232410 | 17:19 |
| jeremiah | You gotta read that ^^ | 17:19 |
| jeremiah | Amazing. | 17:19 |
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| Stskeeps | pypy | 17:21 |
| lcuk | omg, its penguinbait, quick, hide | 17:21 |
| lcuk | put all the contraband away | 17:21 |
| penguinbait | I love contrband ;) | 17:21 |
| b-man16 | hay penguinbait :D | 17:22 |
| lcuk | hiya pb \o | 17:22 |
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| penguinbait | howdy ! | 17:22 |
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| penguinbait | so who's gonna share the contraband | 17:23 |
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| lcuk | gan has a stack of business cards im sure he would unload on you | 17:24 |
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| ifvoid | hi | 17:24 |
| b-man16 | xDDDX | 17:24 |
| ifvoid | isn't gdb available for maemo? | 17:24 |
| jeremiah | Two CPU-bound threads ~3.3 Million Mach System calls. | 17:25 |
| jeremiah | ifvoid: If it isn't in -devel it should be in the SDK | 17:25 |
| qwerty12_N810 | ifvoid: http://maemo.org/development/tools/ | 17:25 |
| ifvoid | ah | 17:25 |
| ifvoid | hm | 17:26 |
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| ifvoid | http://repository.maemo.org/pool/diablo/free/g/gdb/ | 17:26 |
| ifvoid | hm | 17:26 |
| lcuk | jeremiah, what are you wasting all those cycles to do? | 17:26 |
| ifvoid | I wonder why my apt-get doesn;t pick that up | 17:27 |
| jeremiah | ifvoid: Is it in your sources.list? Did you do an apt-get update? | 17:27 |
| ifvoid | jup | 17:27 |
| ifvoid | deb http://repository.maemo.org/ diablo free non-free | 17:27 |
| ifvoid | that should do the tric, right? | 17:27 |
| jeremiah | lcuk: That is a benchmark of python | 17:27 |
| jeremiah | ifvoid: I don't see it physically on garage (i.e. in diablo) | 17:28 |
| X-Fade | jeremiah: it is in the sdk tools repo. | 17:29 |
| X-Fade | jeremiah: Which you don't see. | 17:29 |
| ifvoid | ah, it's in tools/free | 17:29 |
| ifvoid | I see | 17:29 |
| ifvoid | now it works | 17:30 |
| ifvoid | thanks! | 17:30 |
| jeremiah | Yeah, the package that qwerty12_N810 gave you ifvoid shows you how to install | 17:30 |
| jeremiah | sorry, not the package, the URL | 17:30 |
| lcuk | jeremiah, depends what syscalls i suppose but im happy with c | 17:30 |
| jeremiah | C is okay - but you have to write so much code for so little functionality. And you have to have a nasty toolchain which you hope is identical on the target | 17:31 |
| fiferboy | That's why I code in cobol | 17:32 |
| jeremiah | Stskeeps: How does pypy handle threading? | 17:33 |
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| derf | As opposed to Python, where I have to upgrade half the packages in my distro to install a 100 line script? | 17:33 |
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| jeremiah | derf: Well, you have a point. :) | 17:33 |
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| lcuk | lol | 17:35 |
| amr | someone needs to make a good bejewled clone | 17:35 |
| amr | :p | 17:35 |
| lcuk | jeremiah, if it wasnt for the evil debian/ side of things, it would be really easy to get working in c | 17:35 |
| jeremiah | yeah, blame debian. | 17:35 |
| lcuk | :D | 17:36 |
| jeremiah | lcuk: Can I have a hit off of your crack pipe? | 17:36 |
| lcuk | i know gnu is eviler for some things, but for the right reasons in both | 17:36 |
| lcuk | jeremiah, course, i am serious abut native c dev, and have worked perfectly happily for months on device with it | 17:37 |
| lcuk | if i could just copy the source folder to you and make it run i would prefer it | 17:37 |
| lcuk | that way your barrier of entry is lower too | 17:37 |
| jeremiah | lcuk: :) | 17:37 |
| lcuk | cos the devkit is part of the install | 17:37 |
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| * lcuk wont even mention wiki style code editing and distribution ;) | 17:39 | |
| b-man16 | hehe | 17:39 |
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| jeremiah | Jaffa: ping | 17:55 |
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| Jaffa | jeremiah: pong, but just running out to a meeting | 18:20 |
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| lbt | jeremiah: http://wiki.maemo.org/Mer/Build/UsingGitorious | 18:23 |
| lbt | now with extra screenshots... | 18:23 |
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| GAN800 | andre__, ping? | 18:56 |
| andre__ | GAN800, pong | 18:58 |
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| xnt14 | ~seen b-man16 | 19:19 |
| infobot | b-man16 <n=b-man@pool-71-124-32-204.chi01.dsl-w.verizon.net> was last seen on IRC in channel #maemo, 1h 40m 34s ago, saying: 'hehe'. | 19:19 |
| xnt14 | :P | 19:20 |
| * xnt14 just got back from english exams, soooo easy | 19:20 | |
| GAN800 | andre__, any template progress? | 19:24 |
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| xnt14 | %unision_server("remote:on") | 19:29 |
| xnt14[server] | remote ip activated | 19:29 |
| xnt14 | $apt-get upgrade | 19:29 |
| xnt14[server] | sending... | 19:30 |
| xnt14 | done | 19:30 |
| xnt14 | %unision_server("remote:off") | 19:30 |
| xnt14 | upgraded my remote backup server :) | 19:30 |
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| timeless_mbp | GAN800: so, i've got a preliminary locale set | 19:33 |
| xnt14 | :P | 19:34 |
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| xnt14 | %exec["ssh xceleo.com -c "echo hello | write bman17""]; | 19:36 |
| xnt14[server] | output: no user bman17 | 19:36 |
| xnt14 | oops | 19:36 |
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| timeless_mbp | Stskeeps: so um... | 19:53 |
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| xnt14 | %version | 20:16 |
| xnt14 | xd wrong term, I am starting to hate ssh | 20:17 |
| xnt14 | %discipline | 20:17 |
| xnt14 | %stop task=discipline | 20:17 |
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| b-man16 | %version | 20:19 |
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| b-man16 | hm | 20:19 |
| xnt14 | :P | 20:19 |
| xnt14[server] | version: unision version 1.0 private beta | 20:19 |
| b-man16 | %say hello | 20:19 |
| xnt14[server] | bad server! bad server! bad server!... | 20:19 |
| xnt14[server] | b-man16, version: unision version 1.0 private beta | 20:20 |
| xnt14[server] | say: hello | 20:20 |
| b-man16 | lol | 20:20 |
| xnt14 | wtf? | 20:20 |
| xnt14 | stupid bugs | 20:20 |
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| xnt14 | this is what happens if I try to write my own bot :P | 20:20 |
| b-man16 | XDDD | 20:21 |
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| xnt14 | %cmd ls /xs | 20:21 |
| xnt14[server] | admin apps broadcastinfo locksc message shell system user | 20:21 |
| xnt14 | awesome the ls command works :P | 20:21 |
| xnt14 | well the %cmd | 20:21 |
| xnt14 | direct entry to bash | 20:21 |
| xnt14 | now to secure it from outsiders | 20:21 |
| xnt14 | %acl_set cmd="%cmd" id=19 | 20:22 |
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| xnt14[server] | Secured | 20:22 |
| xnt14 | %join #unision | 20:22 |
| xnt14 | %irc channel="unision" say="Hello!" | 20:23 |
| xnt14 | :) | 20:23 |
| timeless_mbp | b-man16: ping | 20:24 |
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| * xnt14 hides | 20:24 | |
| xnt14 | %lockdown | 20:24 |
| * b-man16 can't stop laughing | 20:24 | |
| * b-man16 finally stops xD | 20:24 | |
| xnt14[server] | Lockdown Initiated | 20:24 |
| xnt14 | damn buggy bot | 20:24 |
| xnt14 | now try a %cmd rm / | 20:25 |
| xnt14 | if It rm's my root drive I'll Give you my n810 ;) | 20:25 |
| inz | xnt14, don't damn the product, damn the creator... oh wait... | 20:25 |
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| b-man16 | timeless_mbp: pong | 20:25 |
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| xnt14 | inz: :P | 20:26 |
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| b-man16 | %say "hello" | 20:27 |
| xnt14[server] | b-man16, Sorry Lockdown is in effect | 20:28 |
| b-man16 | rofl | 20:28 |
| xnt14 | Yes!!! It works :) | 20:28 |
| xnt14 | %cmd su | 20:28 |
| xnt14[server] | Segmentation Fault | 20:28 |
| xnt14 | NOOOOOOOOOOOOO | 20:29 |
| b-man16 | lol | 20:29 |
| lcuk | if i do "make; make install" is there a variation which can remove it again | 20:29 |
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| xnt14 | %pipe tty5 | 20:29 |
| xnt14[server] | Done | 20:29 |
| lcuk | %pipe /dev/null | 20:30 |
| * lcuk tries | 20:30 | |
| xnt14[server] | lcuk: um, make clean /*? | 20:30 |
| b-man16 | %say "Hi, lcuk!!" | 20:30 |
| xnt14[server] | say: Hi, lcuk | 20:31 |
| b-man16 | lol | 20:31 |
| xnt14[server] | lcuk, please wait | 20:31 |
| xnt14 | %stop task="%pipe" | 20:31 |
| lcuk | make clean /* will not try to remove the extra stuff not built tho | 20:31 |
| xnt14 | %response id="789200" | 20:31 |
| lcuk | ie i never remove the /media files inserted into the .deb | 20:31 |
| fiferboy | make uninstall should remove the files copied during install | 20:32 |
| xnt14[server] | output: /dev/null: no such file or directory | 20:32 |
| fiferboy | Not sure if it needs a separate rule in the makefile, though | 20:32 |
| lcuk | yeah fiferboy, i think it will need one | 20:32 |
| b-man16 | %killall | 20:32 |
| lcuk | but if thats the standard syntax ill see about adding one, thanks | 20:32 |
| fiferboy | I've always used autotools for my makefiles ;) | 20:33 |
| b-man16 | %pstree | 20:33 |
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| xnt14 | unisionbot automatically querys output to you if its more than 2 lines | 20:33 |
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| xnt14 | crap!!! unisionbot Is running as root o.0 | 20:34 |
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| xnt14 | %setuid 2201 | 20:35 |
| xnt14[server] | success | 20:35 |
| xnt14 | %cmd whoami | 20:35 |
| xnt14[server] | output: xnt | 20:35 |
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| b-man16 | %cmd echo hello, world!! | 20:36 |
| xnt14[server] | output: echo hello, | 20:36 |
| xnt14 | bug....again.... | 20:36 |
| xnt14 | the exclamation marks... | 20:36 |
| b-man16 | %cmd echo "hello, world" | 20:37 |
| xnt14 | %me says hello | 20:37 |
| * xnt14[server] says hello | 20:37 | |
| GeneralAntilles | xnt14, enough. | 20:37 |
| xnt14 | :) | 20:37 |
| xnt14 | GA: ok | 20:37 |
| GeneralAntilles | xnt14, take it to a private channel. | 20:37 |
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| xnt14 | wait, I thought the bot abuse only counted on infobot? | 20:37 |
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| GeneralAntilles | Spam is spam | 20:38 |
| xnt14 | ok | 20:38 |
| GeneralAntilles | Most people don't appreciate the non-bot spam we generate in here. | 20:38 |
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| xnt14 | let me just tell it to mute this channel | 20:38 |
| xnt14 | %mute #maemo | 20:38 |
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| xnt14 | ok done | 20:38 |
| xnt14 | now it won't listen to this channel or say anything :) | 20:39 |
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| lbt | lcuk: there is rarely an effective make uninstall | 20:59 |
| * timeless_mbp pokes Stskeeps | 21:00 | |
| lcuk | lbt - dpkg manages it | 21:01 |
| lbt | lcuk try http://www.linux.com/archive/articles/60383 | 21:01 |
| lcuk | and since a .deb is built up from running make install | 21:01 |
| lbt | it's not actually :) | 21:02 |
| lbt | it's built by fooling make install and then doing it properly | 21:02 |
| lbt | hence all the fakeroot trickery etc etc... | 21:02 |
| lcuk | well if you remove the list of files from the make install section then it wont do it ;) | 21:02 |
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| coldboot | When building Qt in Scratchbox 2, I get this error: /home/nhooey/code/oss/qt-x11/bin/moc: /home/nhooey/.maemo-sdk/rootstraps/i386/diablo4.1.2_i386/lib/libgcc_s.so.1: version `GCC_4.2.0' not found (required by /usr/lib/libstdc++.so.6) | 21:06 |
| coldboot | This is from within the runtime, by typing `maemo-sdk enter runtime'. | 21:06 |
| coldboot | `sb2 -e make` and `sb2 make` also render the same error. | 21:07 |
| coldboot | How would Qt's build system know about the .maemo-sdk directory for scratchbox? | 21:08 |
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| coldboot | How do you use fakeroot from within sb2? | 21:32 |
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| thopiekar | hi coldboot.. I'm sorry that nobody is responsing.. I can't help you as well because I use sb1 just sometimes for simple builds.. | 21:34 |
| coldboot | It seems like nobody uses scratchbox 2. | 21:35 |
| fiferboy | I've never used sb2, and I haven't heard a whole lot of success stories here | 21:35 |
| thopiekar | true :P | 21:35 |
| fiferboy | coldboot: I am building Qt4 using qemu right now. It is slow, but it seems to be working. | 21:36 |
| coldboot | fiferboy: How did you use qemu? What did you do? | 21:36 |
| fiferboy | http://wiki.maemo.org/Mer/Build | 21:36 |
| fiferboy | I followed the instructions on that page | 21:37 |
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| coldboot | Why are you using something to do with OpenSUSE? | 21:38 |
| fiferboy | The OpenSUSE build service is what Mer uses to build its packages | 21:38 |
| fiferboy | It makes it easy to build a package for a different architecture either locally or (I think) remotely | 21:39 |
| fiferboy | The istructions on that Mer wiki page are really good to get you up and running | 21:41 |
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| coldboot | I have to build Qt for sb2 because I'm tracking down a Qt bug that only manifests on sb2 and on the nokia device. | 21:43 |
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| coldboot | Yeah, sb2 has a lot of problems, it's a pain in the ass. | 21:43 |
| fiferboy | You can build with OpenSUSE build service then transfer the libraries or install the debs on the device | 21:44 |
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| xnt14 | testing 123 | 21:52 |
| xnt14 | guys that is me testing my irc client | 21:52 |
| xnt14 | based off of http://tools.suckless.org/sic | 21:52 |
| xnt14 | and sending messages doesn't work :( | 21:52 |
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| xnt14 | but that works :P | 21:53 |
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| FireFox | lol | 21:56 |
| * FireFox runs ii | 21:56 | |
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| DavidePalm | hey is there a C++ compiler for the N800? | 21:59 |
| Corsac | g++ ? | 21:59 |
| DavidePalm | sure | 21:59 |
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| DavidePalm | is it available? | 21:59 |
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| timeless_mbp | in the repositories... | 22:02 |
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| DavidePalm | timeless_mbp what is it called? what repository is it in? | 22:02 |
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| johnsq | Hi | 22:05 |
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| thopiekar | DavidePalm: you can install it with the maemo-cplusplus-device-env package in your app manager.. | 22:06 |
| thopiekar | * hopefully :P | 22:07 |
| DavidePalm | oh wow idk how I missed it :P | 22:07 |
| DavidePalm | thanks installing right now | 22:07 |
| DavidePalm | I was looking for + | 22:07 |
| DavidePalm | not plus | 22:07 |
| thopiekar | no problem | 22:07 |
| DavidePalm | lol | 22:07 |
| thopiekar | :P | 22:07 |
| DavidePalm | so is this command line based? | 22:07 |
| thopiekar | think so.. | 22:07 |
| DavidePalm | kk | 22:08 |
| * thopiekar has to leave now.. | 22:08 | |
| thopiekar | cu! | 22:08 |
| DavidePalm | thanks much! | 22:08 |
| thopiekar | np :P | 22:08 |
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| xnt15 | Hello, Everyone. Im writing this via an echo command on the terminal | 22:14 |
| xnt14 | :) | 22:14 |
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| coldboot | I'm writing this from a satellite that I've ssh'd to. | 22:18 |
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| DavidePalm | anyone use Cpp compiler on the tablet? | 22:19 |
| DavidePalm | or C compiler | 22:19 |
| johnsq | DavidePalm: yes why? | 22:19 |
| xnt14 | xD | 22:19 |
| DavidePalm | johnsq I'm noob at this.. trying to figure out how to use it... I've just started an intro to C/C++ class so I know nothing.. | 22:20 |
| Luke-Jr | DavidePalm: I compiled my tablet's entire OS on my tablet. | 22:20 |
| xnt14 | DavidePalm, b-man compiles LFS(linux from scratch) on his tablet | 22:20 |
| DavidePalm | was wondering if I could use the tablet for it | 22:20 |
| xnt14 | apt-get install gcc? | 22:20 |
| DavidePalm | oh gcc? | 22:20 |
| DavidePalm | I installed this maemo-cplusplus-device-env | 22:20 |
| Luke-Jr | johnsq: we can hijack this channel :D | 22:21 |
| DavidePalm | Package gcc is not available, but is referred to by another package... | 22:21 |
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| johnsq | Luke-Jr: okay, I have complete gentoo compiled and upto date, console is running | 22:22 |
| DavidePalm | so do I have what I need already? with maemo-cplusplus-device-env? johnsq Luke-Jr | 22:22 |
| Luke-Jr | DavidePalm: we both use Gentoo, not Maemo or Mer | 22:22 |
| DavidePalm | oh | 22:22 |
| Luke-Jr | johnsq: ok | 22:22 |
| DavidePalm | =/ | 22:22 |
| DavidePalm | so I cant do this? | 22:23 |
| johnsq | Luke-Jr: ts-lib-999 from overlay didn't compile some file is missing in the svn. | 22:23 |
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| Luke-Jr | johnsq: can you pastebin the error? | 22:23 |
| DavidePalm | I have easy debian | 22:23 |
| Luke-Jr | DavidePalm: probably can | 22:23 |
| Luke-Jr | DavidePalm: but as far as packages goes, you'll need to ask someone else I think | 22:23 |
| johnsq | DavidePalm: sorry can't help, but i have seen a gcc package for maemo | 22:23 |
| Luke-Jr | DavidePalm: unless you want to install Gentoo XD | 22:23 |
| DavidePalm | all right... any chance you know what repository it's in? | 22:24 |
| johnsq | Luke-Jr: I know the error. A file is missing. | 22:24 |
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| DavidePalm | Luke-Jr how easy is it to install gentoo? | 22:24 |
| Luke-Jr | DavidePalm: about as easy as on a desktop machine | 22:24 |
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| Luke-Jr | johnsq: whatever info you might know, you're not telling me much :รพ | 22:24 |
| DavidePalm | Luke-Jr, how much space would I need, and whould I have to wipe out everything else? | 22:25 |
| xnt15 | hello | 22:25 |
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| Luke-Jr | DavidePalm: I recommend an 8 GB SD card | 22:25 |
| johnsq | Luke-Jr: sorry. i'm typing slow. ts-lib from genotoo didn't work, have you xserver running? | 22:25 |
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| Luke-Jr | johnsq: yes | 22:25 |
| Luke-Jr | johnsq: what file is missing? | 22:25 |
| * qwerty12_N810 recommends allocating a lot of time too | 22:25 | |
| DavidePalm | xnt15 are you related to xnt14? :P | 22:25 |
| xnt14 | um yes | 22:26 |
| xnt14 | I'm writing my "custom" irc client | 22:26 |
| johnsq | Luke-Jr: moment, must search it together. | 22:26 |
| xnt14 | and thats my test acc | 22:26 |
| DavidePalm | Luke-Jr I might ask you for some about that when I have more time :) thanks for your suggerstions guys | 22:26 |
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| xnt15 | Im testing xnt-irc-client xD | 22:26 |
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| DavidePalm | all right gtg | 22:27 |
| DavidePalm | :) | 22:27 |
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| johnsq | Luke-Jr: you can forget, svn from ts-lib got the missing file 3hours ago. | 22:27 |
| Luke-Jr | O.o | 22:28 |
| johnsq | Luke-Jr: With gentoo the touchpad isn't working mouse is at wrong position, i hope with svn version it is better. | 22:28 |
| johnsq | Luke-Jr: man package from gentoo have missing keywords, i just forced arm :), hope they are working. fe. fuse rxvt-unicode. | 22:29 |
| johnsq | s/man/many/ | 22:29 |
| infobot | johnsq meant: Luke-Jr: many package from gentoo have missing keywords, i just forced arm :), hope they are working. fe. fuse rxvt-unicode. | 22:29 |
| Luke-Jr | you mean forced x86? | 22:29 |
| johnsq | Luke-Jr: no I add them to /etc/package.keywords | 22:30 |
| Luke-Jr | doing that won't help missing keywords unless you add them as x86 | 22:30 |
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| johnsq | Luke-Jr: I use >=sys-fs/fuse-2.7.4 ** | 22:31 |
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| Luke-Jr | johnsq: oh, very bad | 22:32 |
| Luke-Jr | I would do: sys-fs/fuse x86 | 22:32 |
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| johnsq | Luke-Jr: okay next goal xserver with fluxbox and rxvt | 22:35 |
| coldboot | It seems fakeroot won't work in Scratchbox 2, even if you build it from source. | 22:35 |
| coldboot | Is there another way to dpkg-buildpackage? | 22:35 |
| timeless_mbp | https://garage.maemo.org/pipermail/mica-devel/2009-February/000613.html ? | 22:37 |
| timeless_mbp | http://osdir.com/ml/compilers.scratchbox.devel/2007-01/msg00000.html | 22:39 |
| timeless_mbp | odd | 22:39 |
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| jeremiah | coldboot: Yeah, you can create packages a number of ways. | 22:54 |
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| jeremiah | coldboot: debuild, dh-make | 22:54 |
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| jeremiah | Ah, but you want to get past fakeroot. | 22:54 |
| lbt | jeremiah.... http://wiki.maemo.org/Mer/Build/UsingGitorious | 22:54 |
| jeremiah | Are you using -rfakeroot? | 22:54 |
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| jeremiah | lbt: Cool! | 22:55 |
| jeremiah | Awesome. | 22:55 |
| lbt | http://wiki.maemo.org/images/d/d8/Mer-lbt-gitk-glib.png | 22:55 |
| jeremiah | Its not complicated enough for me, can you add some more source trees? | 22:56 |
| jeremiah | kthx! | 22:56 |
| lbt | http://wiki.maemo.org/images/8/8b/Mer-lbt-gitk-him.png | 22:56 |
| lbt | actually I'm hoping it is fairly simple... | 22:56 |
| lbt | and you's an expert... | 22:56 |
| lbt | so I would *really* appreciate some review and feedback :) | 22:57 |
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| lbt | admittedly there are a *lot* of interconnected simple things.... which makes it complex | 22:57 |
| jeremiah | I's no expert. But I will clone the repo | 22:59 |
| jeremiah | And check it out. | 22:59 |
| jeremiah | Can I turn it into an iso and then boot it in virtual box or what is one doing these days? | 23:00 |
| qwerty12_N810 | I just use the vmdk directly :P | 23:00 |
| lbt | this is just a library using vcs-pkg type stuff | 23:00 |
| lbt | so you can do it in Debian | 23:01 |
| lbt | (I do) | 23:01 |
| jeremiah | qwerty12_N810: Is there a vmdk? cool | 23:03 |
| qwerty12_N810 | yep, at http://wiki.maemo.org/Mer/Releases/0.14 :) | 23:04 |
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| jeremiah | lbt: Is there just a simple URL to clone from? | 23:07 |
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| FireFox | Luke-jr: i'm having a problem with layman - could you help? | 23:07 |
| johnsq | FireFox: what? | 23:08 |
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| lbt | http://gitorious.org/~lbt/mer/glib2_0-mer | 23:09 |
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| lbt | oops | 23:09 |
| FireFox | i've added the n8x0 overlay but portage cant find it | 23:09 |
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| lbt | http://gitorious.org/mer/hildon-input-method | 23:09 |
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| johnsq | FireFox: layman -a n8x0 then you must add source ... to make.conf. | 23:09 |
| lbt | then that tells you : git clone git://gitorious.org/mer/hildon-input-method.git | 23:09 |
| FireFox | i did | 23:10 |
| johnsq | FireFox: than emerge -pv n8x0-env should work | 23:10 |
| FireFox | ok thanks :) | 23:10 |
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| FireFox | emerge: there are no ebuilds to satisfy "n8x0-env". | 23:12 |
| FireFox | hmm | 23:12 |
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| johnsq | FireFox: /usr/locale/portage/layman should exist | 23:13 |
| FireFox | it does | 23:13 |
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| johnsq | FireFox: and /usr/local/portage/layman/n8x0/ | 23:14 |
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| FireFox | it's there | 23:14 |
| Proteous | FireFox: and /usr/local/johnsq/pr0n/thegoodstuff/ | 23:14 |
| FireFox | rofl | 23:15 |
| johnsq | hehe its on network /mnt/p0rn/ | 23:15 |
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| FireFox | anyways, any idea of why i have this problem? | 23:17 |
| johnsq | FireFox: sorry no. layman -i n8x0 shows nice thing? layman -S does an update? | 23:18 |
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| FireFox | yup | 23:20 |
| solarion | alsa does more than 2 channel-audio, right? | 23:20 |
| zakkm | solarion: as support, yes | 23:21 |
| solarion | zakkm: "as support"? What do you mean? | 23:21 |
| zakkm | alsa supports more than 2 channel. | 23:21 |
| solarion | specifically, I'm framing a response for an amd guy at http://blogs.amd.com/home/2009/06/16/turning-it-up-to-11/comment-page-1/#comment-224) | 23:21 |
| solarion | It looks like perhaps he is saying that the current amd maui driver only does 2 channels, but later he says "Once we can move beyond 2 ch. of audio in Linux" | 23:22 |
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| johnsq | FireFox: you can give the complete path to emerge. emerge -pv /usr/local/portage/layman/n8x0/sys-apps/n8x0-env/n8x0-env-0.4.ebuild | 23:23 |
| FireFox | ok | 23:23 |
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| FireFox | "!!! /usr/local/portage/layman/n8x0/sys-apps/n8x0-env/n8x0-env-0.4.ebuild is not in a valid portage tree hierarchy or does not exist" | 23:26 |
| FireFox | hmm | 23:26 |
| FireFox | it exists | 23:26 |
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| johnsq | FireFox: sure that source /usr/local/portage/layman/make.conf is the last line in make.conf? | 23:27 |
| FireFox | ah, wait it, it got commented out | 23:29 |
| * FireFox fixes it xD | 23:29 | |
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| zakkm | eww portage? | 23:29 |
| zakkm | ah wait nevermind ] | 23:29 |
| johnsq | FireFox: the first I said :> | 23:29 |
| zakkm | was thinking of something else | 23:29 |
| zakkm | adding overlays? | 23:29 |
| johnsq | n8x0 overlay | 23:30 |
| zakkm | layman isnt that hard to ouse | 23:30 |
| zakkm | layman -a ___ layman -s then emerge | 23:30 |
| zakkm | gentoo on tablet is worth it? | 23:30 |
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| johnsq | zakkm: no, but archlinux was too hard and debian haven't i used since years. | 23:32 |
| zakkm | theres mer? | 23:32 |
| zakkm | archlinux doesnt have armel support :P | 23:32 |
| zakkm | you cant do it even if you wanted to | 23:32 |
| johnsq | its the same, old stuff in package. | 23:32 |
| FireFox | "!!! All ebuilds that could satisfy "sys-apps/nit-bootmenu-compat" have been masked." | 23:32 |
| FireFox | hm | 23:32 |
| zakkm | Firefox: unmask it | 23:32 |
| zakkm | use autounmask .. nice little command | 23:33 |
| zakkm | or just unmask all from make.conf | 23:33 |
| zakkm | ACCEPT_KEYWORDS="~ARM" | 23:33 |
| zakkm | i thinkit would be arm, maybe armel | 23:33 |
| johnsq | ~ARM is it | 23:33 |
| infobot | ...but arm is already something else... | 23:33 |
| zakkm | i dont know tablet exactly | 23:34 |
| zakkm | i just know gentoo on desktop | 23:34 |
| FireFox | autounmask <package> ? | 23:34 |
| zakkm | autounmask sys-apps/nit-bootmenu-compat | 23:34 |
| FireFox | ARM11=armel | 23:34 |
| zakkm | but is that what they call it? | 23:34 |
| zakkm | for packages | 23:34 |
| FireFox | ah, ok | 23:34 |
| johnsq | FireFox: make.conf KEYWORDS="~arm" | 23:34 |
| zakkm | ACCEPT_KEYWORDS*** | 23:35 |
| zakkm | not just KEYWORDS | 23:35 |
| johnsq | right ACCEPT_KEYWORDS="~arm", i have copied from the ebuild | 23:35 |
| zakkm | dangerous to do, but hopefully it wont break anything | 23:35 |
| FireFox | wohoo!! it works!! :D | 23:38 |
| zakkm | lame | 23:38 |
| zakkm | :D | 23:38 |
| johnsq | hours later :) | 23:38 |
| zakkm | too much time compiling ;p | 23:39 |
| johnsq | without the maemo stuff, its much faster. | 23:39 |
| zakkm | heh | 23:40 |
| FireFox | i've waited a whole day for glibc - 2 hours is nothing ;) | 23:41 |
| johnsq | he hasn't booted gentoo yet, he is still working in a chroot behind all the maemo application | 23:41 |
| FireFox | emerge complains about /usr/lib/libsandbox.so missing btw | 23:41 |
| FireFox | but it said it's harmless | 23:41 |
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| johnsq | Luke-Jr: xserver running. any ebuild for keyboard? | 23:58 |
| zakkm | johnsq: no n810? | 23:59 |
| johnsq | I have n810 but the fn key isn't yet working | 23:59 |
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