IRC log of #maemo for Friday, 2009-06-12

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johns_it works
johns_with n81000:25
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avraamHi. Does anyone know how to make the 810 hardware keyboard work with dosbox? I can't get anything that requires Fn key01:16
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Jaffaavraam: Tried doing fn + key simultaneously?01:19
JaffaI can't remember if that worked for me or not. ISTR, a virtual keyboard being essential (which I didn't bother with, so stopped playing)01:19
avraamfn + key doesn't show anything01:23
lcukavraam, dosbox bypasses hildon input method - its similar with sdl stuff as well01:23
lcukit needs handling manually by the app itself i think01:24
avraamI don't want a virtual keyboard, so if I dont' find a solution, I'll uninstall dosbox :-)01:24
Jaffaavraam: No solution, then; AFAIK01:25
avraamluck, I understand that, anyway, all characters that don't require Fn are working01:25
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lcukavraam, yes, they are normal characters, in maemo hildon input method does extra stuff with the keyboard to make the numbers etc work01:32
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lcukJaffa, i like the idea of musical entertainment01:34
lcukperhaps it would be possible to find people from the cummunity01:35
JaffaYeah. Someone suggested that before (you?)01:35
lcukwe have never broached the topic really, but we must have some budding artists out there01:35
JaffaWell, timsamoff's written film scores and plays loads of instruments AIUI01:35
lcukno, i just want a shared maemo orchestra on the device :)01:35
Jaffa:) even01:35
JaffaDon't want to put the poor souls to too much work01:36
lcuki want a musical section where you can just zoom in and choose an instrument and jam01:36
xnt14umm, audotouch?01:36
lcukhave the best instruments there for people to pickup and play :)01:36
JaffaWatching a decent band play music you know and can sing along to definitely improves the atmosphere. I enjoyed the party last year, but the auto-generated techno wasn't to my taste and there was no focus for people to be communal at.01:36
lcukboxar and pyano and theramin prove the concept01:36
lcukbut they are not together01:37
xnt14the ipod/iphone has an app called band, that has instruments01:37
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xnt14so you basically want a piano app for liqbase?01:38
xnt14would be hard with no multitouch :P01:39
lcukno, i want to strum a guitar actually01:39
lcukusing a plectrum :)01:39
xnt14lol, that is feasible01:39
lcukdifferent x position is the note01:39
lcukobviously strumming is strength01:39
lcukjust simple :)01:39
* lcuk sits and strums the kinetics in calendar and thinks01:40
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lcuktheres columns which represent notes01:40
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VDVsxavraam, the fn key generate a "ISO_Level3_Shift", just in case you want to map it01:42
xnt14they also have an app called tbeta for a diy mt table01:42
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* xnt14 needs to get one of those tables :P01:43
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JaffaStskeeps: ping - have you changed the way merbot posts to the mailing list? The author no longer contains the nick on :-(01:44
VDVsxJaffa, seems that this year they (nokia) are planning in having some kinda o techno music again :(01:45
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JaffaGah. I thought the Finns liked Lordi ;-)01:45
JaffaVDVsx: Is that on the schedule page? I shouldn't look - I should go to bed01:46
dommelordi are boring :D01:46
lcuk/etc/init.s/jaffa sleep01:46
lcukor somesuch nonsense01:46
Jaffadomme: Yeah, I want cheesy rock pop :)01:46
Jaffalcuk: no such file or directory01:46
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lcukahhh well01:47
dommeJaffa: i want sonata arctica :D01:47
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VDVsxJaffa, I catch this in a twitt from Jussi01:47
VDVsx1 sec01:47
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JaffaVDVsx: *Which* Jussi, btw? ;-) Says party's being organised by him, but I've got two Jussi's in gmail apparently.01:47
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VDVsxJaffa, dunno :P01:48
VDVsxJaffa, lcuk know him01:48
Jaffa ?01:48
JaffaOr ? :-/01:48
lcuk1st jaffa01:48
JaffaAh no, Kukkonen's not at Nokia anymore, IIRC01:48
Jaffalcuk: ta01:48
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VDVsxJaffa, that one01:49
mavhcthat's why I say at home, the food's what I like, the music is what I like, /ignore works, and closer to bed01:49
VDVsxJaffa, "@russchimes Would you be interested to do a DJ gig in Amsterdam? Exact date Friday October 9th. Fully compensated naturally."01:49
mavhcneed a sign on my door: will go outside for money, or 3d 30ft wide cinema projections01:51
lcukbut if they give you one of those it will block the door and you will be trapped forever01:52
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lcukJaffa, mud builder01:53
lcukis it practical to create multiple packages in same way as autobuilder and obs etc01:53
avraamHA! fixed01:53
avraamI found the infos on the forum01:53
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Jaffalcuk: i.e. one mud package -> multiple debs in repo? Yes, because ultimately mud's just a convenience function around producing/tweaking debian/*01:54
lcuksounds good01:54
lcukso if i needed slight alterations (like specific #defines for different platforms) i could set it up01:54
lcukor are there better ways01:54
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lcukhiya zakkm01:55
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lcukbye zakkm01:55
Jaffalcuk: Not sure. You could definitely do it with mud: Graham Cobb has one mud package generate different SDK output, so I don't see it being a problem.01:55
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lcukJaffa, i suppose with the simple tweaks i should be able to identify build time flags or system or something01:56
lcukill look into that method first01:56
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lcukso i just have a standard single /debian and source setup for the plats01:57
lcukhi Macer01:57
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LiraNunafrom 2.6.30 kernel changes - # Support for the Nokia RX-51 Internet Tablet.Initial (commit)02:02
JaffaOooh, found a Dutch Queen cover band: - seem to be rather good :)02:02
Jaffa(watching the "Don't Stop Me Now" video)02:02
lcukcant we get like coldplay themselves to be there lol02:03
JaffaColdplay would probably be cheaper ;-)02:03
lcukthey are into open source music02:03
lcukit would be a coup02:03
lcukand we never know until we ask02:03
JaffaOr Gina G (we founded a "Cheesy Music Society" at with the sole intent of booking Gina G for the union)02:03
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lcuki think fremantle builder is upto something02:05
lcuk(look at bottom of list)02:05
VDVsxJaffa, they are good :P02:06
VDVsxlcuk, secret packages o_002:08
lcukeither that or i fucked up when i pushed my packages to diablo lol02:08
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JaffaRight, bed time.02:15
JaffaDamnit, I wanted an early night!02:16
lcukgnite Jaffa02:16
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CutMeOwnThroatnot even 7pm yet!02:35
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AOD_tomaterrI can't figure out how to change my nick in xchat02:56
tank-mantype /nick newname02:57
AOD_tomaterrah ty02:58
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dick-richardsonwill the supported profiles of a bluetooth device show a2dp if that's being used?04:04
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GAN800There's a giant spot of rust on my G504:27
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adeelanyone know of some documentation that details how to roll your own custom image for the nokia810?04:39
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Macerthe show.. the universe.. is extremely disappointing04:51
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dick-richardsonwill the supported profiles of a bluetooth device show a2dp if that's being used?05:42
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gtbanyone know how to customize the init scripts for the 770?06:02
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tank-mangtb, they are probably text files you can edit06:35
gtbi mean like, which runlevel is default or what the existing ones do06:37
tank-manim guessing /etc/inittab shows the default runlevel06:39
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gtbi'm trying to make a custom root image that starts usb networking and ssh06:47
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sarowerhello...........good morning07:50
saroweri am using maemo c++ to develop an application. I need to connect two devices / emulator to send data from one to another through internet.07:51
sarowerWhat should i use.. which technique...i have to follow07:51
sarowerAny body can help?07:51
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sarowerLiraNuna: not server client actually!08:19
sarowertwo way communication....08:20
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sarowerLiraNuna: will it work if i use BSD Sockets Interface08:22
LiraNunaI believe so08:22
LiraNunamaemo is based on gnu/linux08:22
LiraNunaso just treat it as a "linux computer"08:22
sarowerLiraNuna: hmm....08:23
sarowerbut i have no such concrete solution in my hand08:23
sarowerif you have...or any other referrence08:24
sarowerthen it would be helpful for mr08:24
LiraNunaI'm sorry I don't have anything similar08:24
sarowerhmm thanks08:25
LiraNunawhat is your goal?08:26
LiraNunaadhoc? (Nokia-to-Nokia communication) or client-server ?08:27
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sarowerbetween two internet tablet.....08:33
LiraNunasarower, have you tried bluetooth?08:34
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sarowerlet me describe the matter08:34
LiraNunaNIT -> internet -> NIT might not be fast and might limit in situations where Wifi isn't available08:34
saroweri want to develop an application where the application will run in suppose two internet tablet...with internet connection08:35
sarowerthen i want to send data from one to another and vice versa08:36
LiraNunawhy is the internet connection a must?08:36
Luke-Jrsarower: why require the internet connection?08:36
LiraNunasarower, you can do that with bluetooth08:37
sarowerother wise how to establish connection...08:37
Luke-Jrsarower: BlueTooth or adhoc WiFi08:37
sarowerthe two device may be anywhere in the worls08:37
Luke-Jrdepending on range needed08:37
Luke-Jrsarower: how about supporting all 3?08:38
Luke-Jrsomeone should abstract that08:38
Luke-Jrp2p mesh via BT/WiFi + Internet08:38
LiraNunaLuke-Jr, it's hard to abstract when you need an internet gateway08:38
Luke-Jrthough adhoc WiFi conflicts w/ Internet08:38
LiraNunamaybe a wifi/bluetooth adhoc08:38
Luke-Jrwell, not entirely08:38
Luke-Jryou can have adhoc and internet Wifi as long as the same channel08:39
LiraNunaLuke-Jr, you can have tether with bluetooth while wifi adhoc?08:39
Luke-Jrif the other user has internet also, they can talk over the net08:39
Luke-Jrif the other user lacks internet, they can switch to your channel08:39
LiraNunaof course that could be done automatically08:39
Luke-Jrmakes scanning harder I guess08:40
LiraNunajust setup magic words08:40
sarowerto use p2p with internet what kind of API support or library i may have to establish the connection08:40
sarowerand then data transfering things will come08:40
saroweri think you are not catching my point..actually i am talking about an appplication development08:41
sarowernot using internet tablet08:41
saroweror internet or BT in the device08:41
Luke-Jrsarower: we're beyond your poin08:42
Luke-Jrwe're inventing our own mesh08:42
sarowermy application will establish connection between two device through internet08:42
Luke-Jrgood for you, do it08:42
sarowerand then exchange data in between them08:42
Luke-Jrin the meantime, LiraNuna and I have something actually innovative to invent08:43
LiraNunasarower, I believe any p2p library will work08:43
sarowerthats the point08:44
LiraNunano need to beep me08:44
LiraNunaI'm here08:44
sarowerok sorry!08:44
LiraNunait might take me some time to reply since I'm a little busy08:45
LiraNunabut I'm here08:45
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thuxwhat device is that? does anyone know?
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CorsacYou need:  Linux kernel 2.6.30; a computer with a Broadcom 5974, Stantum, NTrig or DiamondTouch surface (the HP TouchSmart tx2 has a Ntrig surface, but you need to get the appropriate firmware from the NTrig site); our NTrig, Stantum, or DiamondTouch driver, or the Broadcom 5974 driver from Henrik Rydberg; our demo code.09:19
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CorsacI'd bet for the HP TouchSmart tx209:19
thuxlooks nice09:20
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Luke-JrCorsac: what's that for?09:20
CorsacLuke-Jr: see the url thux gave above09:20
Luke-JrI'm too lazy to go to the trouble to view Youtube crap..09:20
Corsacand that's from the project website09:20
Corsacmultitouch in compiz09:21
Luke-Jroh, nothing useful?09:21
Corsac (french)09:21
Luke-Jrwhy does it care about wifi hardware? O.o09:21
Corsacwifi hardware?09:21
Corsacare you sure broadcom *only* makes wifi hardware?09:22
Luke-Jrno, they make more09:22
thuxcompiz is cool when device is slow like my 701, but any faster device i won't use it09:22
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Corsacwell the demo is slow anyway because they read from /dev/input/eventX and then send a dbus message to compiz to activate the effect09:24
Luke-Jrthat seems like the best possible way to do that09:24
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CorsacI'm not sure completely bypassing X input layer is a good idea09:25
Corsacthough it's the only way at the moment09:25
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StskeepsLuke-Jr: -synaptic does that..09:47
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Luke-JrStskeeps: eh?09:50
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Stskeepsxserver-xorg-input-synaptics if installed is convinced n8x0 touchscreen is a synaptics touchpad09:56
Stskeepsannoying rather09:59
Stskeepsblows up ts support09:59
Stskeepsfeel free to tame it09:59
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thuxcould you use tablet as bt-mouse with that input-synaptics?10:07
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thuxsome program act like remote bt-device10:08
thuxremote control10:09
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JaffaMorning, all10:49
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saroweri am using maemo c++ to develop an application. I need to connect two devices (Internet tablet) / emulator (For PC) to send data from one to another through internet.12:07
sarowerhow i can do that? any library or API reference?12:08
sarowerAny body else...12:08
sarowerThere who can help me.12:08
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ShadowJKif both are connectable on the internet, standard bsd sockets api applies..12:09
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ShadowJKI don't know, but I would guess that maemo comes with extra stuff to poke the device into establishing wlan connection if no connectivity currently available12:10
qwerty12That'd be: :)12:11
RST38hI think he is asking a wrong question12:13
ShadowJKthat's very likely :)12:15
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sarowerShadowJK: suppose i want to connect two emulator in two different pc. What should i do?12:21
lcuksarower, you would do the same as if they werent in an emulator12:25
lcukand not expect magical ether connections to work unless ip connectivity is available12:26
lcukor some other tunnel12:26
sarowerluck: yah.. i have internet connection12:27
sarowerIP connection12:27
saroweryou just tell the programming concept...12:27
sarowerat least i want to hit the right point of my study12:27
saroweri am not wanting the concrete solution12:28
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mib_5kqzf7i don't why there are so many function Eclipse can't recognize.12:36
wazdI've suddenly came up with interesting input concept12:36
wazdWhat if the screen could sense your finger aproaching to it but without actual touch12:37
wazdClose field IR or something12:38
robtaylorwazd: proximity sensor12:38
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robtaylorwazd: its quite easy to do, same techniques as old touch switches12:39
lcukthats what the wacom does12:39
* lcuk shouldv embedded a magnet in his finger when he had the chance12:39
robtaylorwazd: i hear the iphone 3gs might have one(!)12:40
lcukmornin rob12:40
wazdit's not the same thing12:40
lcukthats a reality distortion field12:40
robtaylorlcuk: morn12:40
wazdit's for detecting your head and turn off the touchscreen12:40
robtaylorwazd: indeed, but its the same thing12:40
lcukso you dont use your ear to disconnect ppl :D12:40
X-Fadewazd: And normally used for turning off the handsfree mode.12:41
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lcuknot really, thats a single sensor - i think wazd meant to allow hovering over links and stuff12:41
robtayloroh, i see12:41
lcukX-Fade, thanks for accepting :D12:41
wazdrobtaylor: not really, my idea is to detect where the finger aproaches12:41
robtaylorno, that's hard12:41
X-Fadelcuk: Heh ;) Well, that is not a lot of work ;)12:41
lcukkeesj was showing me some camera motion tool - when you train it to detect colors you can control the mouse by waving12:41
robtayloryou'd get too much interference from passing fields to do anything accurate12:42
wazdso on aproach UI can slightly zoom in nearby zone12:42
lcukwazd - i know the few lines of code in liqbase to do the zooming scrolling thing12:42
wazdwould be cool for keyboards and surfing12:42
lbtpressure is very similar12:42
lcukand i think it will work really well12:42
lbtand actually works today12:42
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wazdnah, there's nothing to do with software12:43
lcukas you scroll im gonna make the list just zoom out slightly, the faster you scroll, the more it zooms out12:43
lcukso you get more of an over view :)12:43
wazdNo, my idea is not what you're describing :)12:43
lcuki know that, but you just mentioned zooming in and out12:44
lcukwhat you are describing is not possible yet12:44
wazdlcuk: cool anyway :)12:44
lcukwhat i am is just a few lines of code ;)12:44
lbtit is possible12:44
lcukto detect hovering over the touchscreen?12:44
lbtessentially yes12:44
lbtbut with a 1mm offset12:45
X-Fadelcuk: Using the accel sensors you can also zoom when you notice that somebody is moving the device up to his face ;)12:45
wazdsince finger has a charge, don't think that it's too hard to detect it12:45
lbtso when you touch it isn't a touch12:45
lcukX-Fade, yah i know, theres other thingfs you can do with the accels :)12:45
lbtuntil you go 1mm *below* the touchscreen12:45
lbtby pushing12:45
lbtif you want to actually play with the idea12:46
lbtinstead of wishing the harware was different ;)12:46
lcukyou just broke the paradigm, it will not be possible to get it right all the time12:46
lcukits same problem as os2007 auto detect thumb vs autodetect stylus12:46
lcukit works sometimes, but fails enough to frustrate some users12:46
X-FadeBut using motions over the camera could actually be a good thing for scrolling, page flipping etc.12:46
X-FadeAnd probably not even very hard to implement.12:47
lcukX-Fade, i do a lot of handwaving ;) i was messing with using a barcode rectangle to do that months ago12:47
lcukno,  its easy12:47
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* lcuk will bbiab tho12:48
X-FadeAlthough it will take quite some power probably.12:48
wazdX-Fade: well, you can't do the same thing as, for example, mouse sensor12:48
wazdX-Fade: cause front camera has no backlight12:48
X-Fadewazd: Hmm can it spot IR?12:48
wazdso when you touch it with finger it will detect just black12:49
X-Fadewazd: Sure, but you have to hover over it.12:49
X-Fadewazd: Not completely block it.12:49
wazdX-Fade: possible but not quite comfy I guess :)12:50
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X-Fadewazd: Hold your N810 and keep your thumb above the camera. It is not that bad?12:50
wazdand focal range is important too12:50
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wazdmaybe n810 camera can't focus on objets in less than 1m or something12:51
X-Fadewazd: For direction tracking it should not be that big of a problem. You only need to detect edges.12:52
X-Fadewazd: And those may be blurry :)12:52
wazdthe best thing for scrolling is fingerprint scanner :)12:53
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X-Fadewazd: Which is also a camera.12:54
wazdX-Fade: well, technicaly :)12:54
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wazdmouse sensor is a camera too :)12:58
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RST38hmoo all13:12
wazdRST38h: heya13:12
qwerty12wazd: Fixed no keyboard on join channel window in XChat, I'll upload a new build to extras-devel later13:14
qwerty12moo RST38h13:14
wazdqwerty12: cool, thanks!13:14
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lbtX-Fade: hi13:33
X-Fadelbt: hi13:34
lbthaving a problem with svg to png conversion :
X-Fadelbt: Yeah, I saw that already ;)13:34
X-Fadelbt: Kind of a mess ;)13:34
lbtcool... would you like a bug report?13:34
lbt(it's OK when you click through isn't it?)13:35
X-Fadelbt: Well, that is probably mediawiki conversion..13:35
X-Fadelbt: yeah, the actual svg is ok.13:35
lbtyeah... so it maybe that I should just convert locally and not waste your time... :)13:35
X-Fadelbt: Need to check what tool does the conversion.13:36
lbtas per
lcuklbt, convert locally for now, but deffo mark a bug if possible, help others in future where possible :)13:36
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lbtX-Fade: also wanted to ask about a Mer machine as per quick chat at CPH13:42
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lcukwhat would you sleepy people be doing if you DIDN'T have a maemo device16:49
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GAN800lcuk, working.16:57
lcukare you working now?16:58
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lcukGAN800, to expand on an idea lbt had - if you are working and have multiple devices, i dare you to leave one hidden behind a book shelf (pref religious) with ssh and speakers connected16:59
lcukrandomly from the other device you should make spooky sayings16:59
lcukso when the fruitloops come into the store they will hear god!17:00
lcukyour sales will skyrocket17:00
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GAN800lcuk, one of those nuts would start smearing feces on the walls.17:01
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lcukewwww GAN800 yeah you said17:09
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lcukyou could promote good manners tho17:09
lcukhi johns_17:09
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* b-man16 wonders if it is possible to port DirectFB to the tablets17:15
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lcukb-man16, shouldnt be an issue, just make it interface with omapfb i think17:27
b-man16lcuk: how should i do that?17:29
lcuki dunno, you are the master brain!17:29
lcukand when you get directfb working make sure you port webos to it17:29
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GAN800lol, lbt, the Mer workflow looks like a subway map. :P17:30
b-man16lol, shure17:30
lbtGAN800: yeah, it does doesn't it.... needs a timetable now ;)17:31
lcukb-man16, damn i thought you were in 'liqbase lol17:32
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gnutonHi there17:35
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lbtgnuton: hey...17:38
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lbtwe have wonderful fingerscrolling and thanks to fiferboy, great bounce and even 'header bounce' in tables17:39
* lbt really needs to make a video17:39
lbtgnuton: we're desperate for you to post up to gitorious though....17:40
fiferboylbt: I'll try to borrow a video camera17:40
lbtfiferboy: np, I have one here17:40
fiferboyOk, good17:40
lbtI just need to do it17:40
fiferboyTables with both horizontal and vertical headers look cool during bounce17:41
gnutonlbt: I'm working on..17:42
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lbtgood good.... but I want it NOW17:43
lcuklbt, the scaling thing i mentioned isnt practical in qt is it17:43
gnutonlbt: give me still some hour... :D17:44
gnutonlbt: hours17:44
fiferboylcuk: Maybe when we have openGLE widgets...17:44
lbtgnuton: hey, that soon would be great... we can attack it this weekend then17:44
gnutonlbt: yes17:44
lbtthanks :)17:44
gnutonlbt: you are welcome.17:44
lcukfiferboy, if your code is fast enough to do kinetics, why cant it just adjust the scale slightly?17:45
gnutonlbt: btw thanks to you and andrew for your work!17:45
lbtgnuton: not for now.... but I'm looking at DVCS/packaging
* lcuk will be testing it tonight anyway - i have devkit back up and running \o/17:45
gnutonlbt: okay ;D17:46
fiferboylcuk: "fast enough to do kinetics" in some cases is just fast enough to do it with quite noticable staggering17:46
lcukahhh :(17:46
lbtgnuton: it would be good to break the Qt patches into feature branches (one day)17:46
lcukfiferboy, but i gather it will be super slick on the faster new hardware17:46
lbtthat diagram looks complex... but it really isn't... promise17:47
fiferboyDavid said it ran really nicely on the hardware at cph17:47
gnutonlbt: I'm already doing that...17:47
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lcukfiferboy, have you run qt with this stuff on laptops etc (ive got a touchscreen lappy slate thing here), does it work well when you play on that sort of class hardware17:48
* lcuk runs his x41 in powersave mode - 800mhz17:48
lbtso you should have 2-3 distro branches Diablo/Fremantle(/Mer) for the debian/ directory17:48
gnutonlbt actually we will have different branches for the features. (Style, input method and so on17:49
lbtand has all your features branched off upstream and merged in to master17:49
lbtyes, eg mer/foo mer/bar are features17:49
gnutonand several branches for each distro (diablo, fremantle, mer)17:49
fiferboylcuk: When I test in scratchbox it works nicely.  I have only ever compiled the finger scrolling in "hildon" compiles17:49
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lcukahhh fiferboy, it should just work thou on x86 and windows and linux shouldnt it?17:50
gnutonlbt: pvt17:50
lbtexcellent stuff gnuton... :) glad we're in sync17:50
fiferboylcuk: Yes, but I haven't felt like building most of Qt in those environments (yet)17:51
fiferboyAlso, the fingerscrolling code right now is in #ifdef Q_WS_HILDON blocks17:51
lcukahhh why tho - technically its a nice feature for people with any kind of slate - would it not be better with a specific #define of X_Y_FINGER_SCROLL17:52
lcukdamn must dash17:53
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fiferboylbt: That diagram isn't complex?17:54
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lbtfiferboy:  <-- complex one17:57
lbtwait 'til we write up the Qt one...17:57
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wazdwhat for are these diagrams?17:59
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fiferboylbt: I think I kind of get it, but I still haven't wrapped my head around the collaboration of git18:06
fiferboywazd: They show the workflow of developing with git18:06
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lbtfiferboy: I'm going to do a write-up... essentially each mer/* branch is a patch against upstream that adds a feature (eg fingerscrolling)18:09
lbtthe point is to keep seperation18:09
fiferboySo if I am working from the master and want to compile all the feature changes, I merge in all the branches and compile?18:10
lbta lot of this is packaging work18:10
lbta developer who wants to add a feature18:10
lbtwould clone18:10
lbtthen locally make a branch off master18:10
lbtthen develop a feature18:10
lbtthen submit that branch to pkgers18:11
lbtand we'd apply it to a new feature branch18:11
fiferboyOk, and if I want to make a change to an existing branch?18:11
lbt(or use git tricks to cherry pick)18:11
lbteg fix a bug in finger scroll?18:11
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fiferboySay I want to change something in fingerscrolling?18:11
lbtsame process18:12
lbtbut we don't create a new feature branch18:12
lbtwe add a commit to fingerscroll18:12
lbtthis is not a development workflow18:13
fiferboyI'm getting it18:13
lbtit's a package management and patch management workflow18:13
lbtdev workflow exists alongside....18:13
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andre__anybody knows about the "officiality" state of python support in fremantle? because in diablo it was not officially supported18:25
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Stskeepsnot intentionally in sdk, i think18:29
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Stskeepsi might be positively wrong18:29
johnsQshouldn't the bootmenu use fullscreen and zoom+ , zoom- to choose the entry?18:31
Stskeepsno, dpad18:32
Stskeeps770,n800 way18:32
johnsQI patched mine, then i can use both.18:32
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johnsQso microsd card works, but i have to insert/remove sometimes :(18:38
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GAN800andre__, not official.18:40
VDVsxinteresting, some months ago, I saw some jobs at maemo R&D about python bindings o_018:43
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andre__GAN800, okay18:50
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t_s_ohmm, cortex...18:59
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GAN800VDVsx, who do you think pays gnuton's salary? :P19:15
VDVsxGAN800, gnuton isn't a qt dev19:16
Stskeepseh. he's nokian19:17
VDVsxI know working on qt19:17
VDVsxI guess19:17
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user_is it  possible to update extra repo sometimes today?19:20
Stskeepsnoone moves to helsinki without a good pay in sight :P19:21
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VDVsxStskeeps, some people like dark and cold places :P19:23
Stskeepsah, right, geeks with pcs to warm them19:23
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slonopotamusmaybe someone wants to pay me without moving to cold places? :)19:25
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* VDVsx likes to have 40º in the summer :)19:25
slonopotamus30º is acceptable :) especially with beer19:26
user_or blunt lol19:26
lcukVDVsx, 40º beer is yucky!19:28
lcukslonopotamus, they will pay you without you needing to move to cold places, but the daily commute will be a bitch19:29
slonopotamusdaily commute - ? /me looks up dictionary19:29
johnsQslonopotamus: your overlay can be added through layman19:30
slonopotamusjohnsQ, is that a question?19:31
johnsQslonopotamus: no a note, that it is possible, i tried to leave a comment on your page put got an error19:31
slonopotamusspammers leave them :)19:32
slonopotamusi think you should be able too19:32
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user_any idea when extra repo be updated cause now its since 2 weeks now whitout updates???19:35
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johnsQuser_: be happy, no update, no broken packages.19:36
user_we have a date for next update?19:37
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slonopotamusjohnsQ, didn't know. possibly luke added it19:46
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slonopotamusjohnsQ, thanks, will update wiki19:46
johnsQyes, i currently cross compile n8x0-env.19:46
slonopotamuscross? didn't like pre-cross-compiled image?19:47
johnsQslonopotamus: emerge git layman; layman19:47
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johnsQslonopotamus: i haven't seen ready image, but i have time. i have here 486 machines with gentoo.19:48
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slonopotamusjonsQ, first link19:49
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johnsQslonopotamus: yes, i started with this, but the ebuild of the overlay wasn't included.19:51
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slonopotamus'build of the overlay' - ?19:51
slonopotamus'ebuild of the overlay' - ?19:51
slonopotamusjohnsQ, beware,  last time i crosscompiled, there were troubles with python modules19:52
johnsQto boot on the card i need the ebuild nit-bootshell, linuxrc wasn't in the minimal archive19:53
slonopotamuslinuxrc is installed by nit-boot-basics. or smth like that19:54
slonopotamusbasic idea is to download, unpack, chroot, setup required stuff, then boot19:54
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slonopotamuson tablet19:54
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slonopotamusof course, you can use crossdev/qemu/distcc for crosscompiling19:55
johnsQslonopotamus: i'm testing with the other card on the device, meanwhile i compile with qemu-arm19:55
* slonopotamus still doesn't know how to setup qemu-arm :D19:56
slonopotamusjohnsQ, could you write small howto for qemu?19:56
johnsQslonopotamus: its easy, you must only fix the gentoo ebuild to make a static version19:56
slonopotamusLutz "johns" Sammer19:57
slonopotamusthat's you?19:57
johnsQslonopotamus: also build busybox static. yes that i19:57
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slonopotamusyour comment was added, they're just screened19:57
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slonopotamusunscreened it19:58
slonopotamustons of spam, need to setup some  captcha19:59
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johnsQslonopotamus: okay got some error and thought comments was disabled because of spam19:59
slonopotamusjohnsQ, comments plugin is somewhat... unstable :)20:00
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DHRmy filters flag mail with subjects encoded in non-ASCII as spam.  I just got mail from a Mac that said its subject was encoded in WINDOWS-1252 although all characters were in 7-bit ascii.  Any idea why?20:02
slonopotamuswe need more programmers. there are too mmany packagers around tablets, but all they do is just repackage same apps20:02
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johnsQslonopotamus: I will later write howto setup qemu with gentoo and tell you the link.20:04
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slonopotamusjohnsQ, thx. if you plan to play with gentoo on n8x0, i can give you access to wiki/git20:05
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GAN800VDVsx, anyway, my point is that Nokia pays money for things which aren't official.20:23
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VDVsxGAN800, and pyMaemo is one of them (INdt) :P20:32
lcukGAN800, is that like having "business expenses" on your credit card bill20:33
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wazd_n800I'm back!)21:47
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lcukwazd_n800 hi, did i see something about new x-chat update21:47
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wazd_n800lcuk, well, qwerty12 told that he has fixed initial action pop-up input21:48
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lcukyeah - it was a bit annoying, even with n81021:49
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lcuki didnt know aqnyone was maintaining it tho lol, so i just put up21:49
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wazd_n800I've just tested n9721:51
wazd_n800in our Nokia flagship store21:51
lcukhows it feel21:51
lcukheh - i once walked in a nokia store and asked to see the new touchscreen device, the guy looked at me like i was mad21:52
lcuk"we don't have any touchscreen phones here"21:52
cmugIt is symbian so what do you think?21:52
wazd_n800surprisingly pretty responsive, even with ancient hardware21:52
lcuki dunno21:52
lcuki dont own a nokia phone21:52
* lcuk owns a shitty crappy phone which was cheap21:53
wazd_n800haven't played too much though, just look and feel testing21:53
cmugthere are plenty of nokian's that are crappy and not cheap21:53
wazd_n800I hope to use it more at the Nokia Mobile Camp on sunday21:54
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lcukare you taking your n8x021:54
wazd_n800well, to be fair, there are many cheap and cool nokia's also)21:54
lcuk+1 agreed21:55
wazd_n800my 2630 is pretty nice cheapphone21:55
wazd_n800ultrathin, strudy, cheap like crap)21:55
wazd_n800If I and RST38h will fill one person with enough beer, maybe we will even use new tablet )))21:57
wazd_n800At least this person claims that he has it21:57
lcukwont he pull out an n97 lol21:58
wazd_n800nono, he knows what tablet is =)21:58
glassbuy vodka shots21:59
wazd_n800He can just not bring it to the camp21:59
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wazd_n800I think there will be no vodka there) At least oficially =)21:59
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glassok, pour vodka from your traditional finnish secret bottle22:00
lcukisnt that international espionage tho22:01
wazd_n800last time I checked I wasn't Finnish =))22:01
glassisn't drinking always22:01
lcukthe nokia camera phones will be trained upon you whilst you are all playing22:01
glasswazd_n800: ok, explains why you thought beer would work :D22:02
wazd_n800I'm from Moscow xD22:02
glassoh wtf then :D22:02
LinuxCodewazd_n800, even more a reason to say you are finiish22:03
wazd_n800Bears, vodka, matryoshka'n'stuff =)22:03
LinuxCodeto participate in the game of international espionage and subversion22:03
glassyeah finland is traditional place for that stuff22:03
glassproletariat unite! and all22:03
lcukisnt it "international espionage and git" nowadays?22:03
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LinuxCodegit as in version control ?22:04
wazd_n800glass: personally I don't like vodka. Well, I like expensive one but it's too expensive in here =(22:04
lcukwell that as well lol22:04
glasswazd_n800: ah yeh you got it on tap in moscow22:04
wazd_n800Well, that guy said tt he got this device from someone in nokia r'n'd22:05
glasswazd_n800: some russian grocery store vodka mixes were great though, and a price that couldn't be beat(when i was in st petersburg)22:05
glasswazd_n800: redbull was more expensive than energy drink with 8% in it22:05
* lcuk thanks kot for introducing him to a new drinking buddy22:05
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wazd_n800lcuk: eeeewwww!22:05
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lcukwell it all drips out when i pour it on my BLT at dinner time22:06
lcukand home made bacon vodka is a bit weird, not used to straining rind through my teeth whilst drinking22:06
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wazd_n800Absolut Mandrine ftw)22:07
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lcukhow do you manage to pour the wine into an orange without spilling it?22:08
lcukvodka ^22:08
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wazd_n800lcuk: btw, talking bout your «nowhere to hide from it» liqbase search. Is it not functional on n80022:09
lcukyeah, its in a proto state22:09
lcukthe package however isnt22:09
lcukits instant filtering on text (as i show in the vid) but the images needs better caching to work in the general case22:10
lcukoooh - infact on n800 lol no it wont :D22:11
lcukyou cant type22:11
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lcukthe filtering effect works really well tho, and when i get coding im gonna try that scaling thing22:13
lcukthe more i think about it, the more i think it will work really really well22:13
wazd_n800why don't you consider to make liqbase some kind of SDK to build separatr apps with it?22:13
lcuki have been doing :)22:13
lcuklibliqbase just arrived on garage its being setup now22:13
lcuklibliqbase is in extras-devel22:13
lcukand liqbase-playground includes everything needed to create multiple standalone apps22:14
wazd_n800i'm in the train now, so I'll test it tomorrow)22:14
lcukheh you wont prolly cos the package isnt running correctly - its not an end user thing yet :)22:14
wazd_n800cool, can't wait to see some real stuff on it)22:15
lcuki have real stuff in it22:15
lcuki have a memory :)22:15
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lcukbut the management of the bits isnt complete yet22:16
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wazd_n800I mean some mature standalone app22:16
lcukand theres still much work to do, this is a test build22:16
lcukyou might be surprised by how nicely the little pieces slot together wazd22:17
lcukand how fluent the system works as a whole22:18
wazd_n800I like Nokia style. Quim asked bout te status of F-Stars developement.22:18
wazd_n800lcuk: yep, someone has told me same thing yesterday) Oh, it was you xD22:19
wazd_n800lcuk: you're really overexcited bout liqbase :))22:19
lcukwazd, im pleased about how well my code is working :)22:21
wazd_n800lcuk: no you're not =) You're really hot bout it =))22:22
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Stskeepswtf is nokia doing in confessions of a shopaholic..22:27
VDVsxStskeeps, Hollywood marketing22:28
VDVsxStskeeps, they have a office there, just for this kind business (music videos + movies)22:29
lcuki wonder when advertising in games will come22:30
VDVsxas a example, the 5800xm appeared 10+ music videos so far22:30
lcukhave gordon freeman whip out a nokia22:30
GAN800WTF is Stskeeps watching Confessions of a Shopaholic?22:31
VDVsxI saw that movie :P22:31
VDVsxshame on me22:31
lcukhah good point gan22:31
StskeepsGAN800: fiancee birthday22:31
lcukso you are sat watching a chic flick with your missus and typin on irc on your n800?22:32
lcukand shes ok with that ? lol22:33
Stskeepsgave her a n800..22:33
lcukdude, you should be giving her more than an n80022:33
lcukthats only 4 inches, you gotta at least let her have a smartq722:34
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VDVsxlcuk, lololol22:34
Stskeepsi don't appreciate your metaphor22:34
lcukshe doesnt either22:34
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crashanddie_anyone noticed that the sarah conor chronicles and the beast are filled with blackberries?22:36
fiferboylbt: qemu is way slower than scratchbox!22:36
lcukonly thing i notice about sarah connor chronicles is summar glau22:36
lbtfiferboy: err, yes22:36
fiferboyOh well, hopefully it links22:36
lbtqemu emulates22:36
fiferboyHopefully it gets to the linking stage22:37
lbtscratchbox uses native compilers and linkers22:37
fiferboyWell, I was hoping my home computer's better hardware would make up some of the difference22:37
lbthow many cores?22:37
fiferboyJust a dual22:37
lbtrunning -j2 ?22:37
fiferboyOn the compile?22:38
fiferboyNot unless it is in the debian/rules22:38
lbtyou can do export DEB_BUILD_OPTIONS="parallel=2"22:39
crashanddie_or you could just run scratchbox22:39
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fiferboyI would have to do that before the dpkg-buildpackage, though22:39
lbtyou can ^C22:40
VDVsxStskeeps, anyway the movie is funny, and have a lot of reference to Finland and Nokia (pay attention to the beginning of the final credits :P )22:40
fiferboycrashanddie: scratchbox doesn't want to link this huge file22:40
lbtand then re-run with -nc22:40
crashanddie_lcuk: 18822:40
amri just had to reflash my tablet22:40
fiferboylbt: Right, I am going to do that22:40
amrfilled '/' :x22:40
amri couldnt even remove anything22:40
lbt(there's no guarantee that qemu will either BTW)22:40
lcukcrashanddie, you have gone up by 1022:40
lbthmm... have you got enough swap?22:40
lcukwhat happens when we reach infinity22:40
crashanddie_lcuk: well, yeah, today :)22:40
crashanddie_lcuk: number of hours I worked since thursday morning :)22:41
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fiferboylbt: I should be okay, I think.22:41
fiferboy3 GB of SWAP22:42
lcukwhat did you break?22:42
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crashanddie_lcuk: nothing :)22:42
lcukphew, you managed to blame someone else ;) whats up tho?22:42
lcukwell if you dont get some sleep you wont get that again22:43
lcukcos you will be ummm crashedanddied22:43
crashanddie_you do realise I said that in notice22:43
crashanddie_and that nobody else saw that22:43
lcukyeah which is why i didnt say what it was22:43
lbtwe saw22:43
crashanddie_ok, good :)22:43
lcukits the weekend tho - you should get at least 4 hours kip22:44
lcukyou know what happens in the movies if you dont22:44
crashanddie_<-- still at the office22:44
lcukinfact sod that - even if you do22:45
lcuksleeping bag22:45
crashanddie_yeah i got one in my drawer22:45
lcuk Results 1 - 10 of about 3,390,000 for sleeping under desk. (0.43 seconds)22:45
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lcuk\o hey keesj22:58
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lcukkeesj, your camera tracking thing
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keesjhi lcuk23:05
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xnt14~seen b-man1623:06
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infobotb-man16 <> was last seen on IRC in channel #maemo, 5h 29m 36s ago, saying: 'hello'.23:06
xnt14just when I get home23:07
xnt14one day of school left lol23:07
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* xnt14 has one day of school left :)23:07
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xnt14done :)23:08
xnt14nit section coming soon :P23:08
xnt14Guest20247: ping23:09
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keesjman xceleo.com23:20
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keesjno manual found23:20
keesjthe navifation feels like my prefered window manager
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b-man16heh, nice :)23:22
xnt14tiled manager?23:23
xnt14nice :)23:23
* xnt14 was testing xmonad for a while23:23
xnt14the got homesick for gnome :P23:23
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keesjcan't stand gnome but still use it becasue ubuntu really onlsupports that23:24
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xnt14lol, im installing dwm on debian23:25
keesjif you don't run gnome you get all kinds of weird problems "firefox in offline mode","sound not working"23:25
* xnt14 can't get used to kde23:26
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xnt14so ubuntu/xubuntu/debian only for now :P23:26
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qwerty12_N810keesj: ran into the firefox one when I stopped using NetworkManager >.<23:27
* keesj continues his search for locks in the house holing is lockpicking set and lockpicking book23:27
keesjthe network manager stuff can be put off in some "about:config" but WHY do they think I care about being offline23:28
xnt14qwerty12_N800: 0.o23:28
xnt14one day my network flaked out and ff went into offline mode, and I was like who uses that :P23:29
xnt14ofline mode23:29
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keesjand the sound is the pulse-audio thing that somehow doens't work, but there are more of those "great" fetures23:29
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xnt14like, the compiz problem23:29
xnt14xfce + compiz = cube spining endlessly23:30
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keesjbut my gnome/ubuntu anoyance level is getting higher and higer these days.23:44
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keesjan other good example "automount" is something I don't want. and every release it gets harder and harder to disable the thing23:44
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keesjthe good old linux system did not have this problem23:45
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ShadowJKin debian and fedora you go through kde, xfce and gnome settings and disable automount :)23:46
xnt14same here23:47
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keesjunder ubuntu it changes every time. this time I had to put a file in /etc/hal/fdi/policy to "silence the automounter"23:48
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