IRC log of #maemo for Thursday, 2009-06-11

* Proteous gies it the (Jeremiah,"Works for me!") seal of approval00:00
jeremiahWeird that we can reach via port 80 but not port 22.00:00
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keesjalso you can still edit the "package" after the ckeck00:00
Proteousyeah, what happend to the webserver on port 22?00:00
lcukjeremiah, when do you log the requests to db00:00
lcukcos i could send you tweets from device lol00:00
lcukwith random searches00:01
jeremiahlcuk: I am not going to tell you! (But its at the end. :) )00:01
jeremiahlcuk: What I need to do is dump more data into the db, it just contains a small selection of packages right now.00:01
jeremiahI want to add all the distros.00:01
jeremiahI think right now it is just diablo/free00:02
lcukyeah sounds reasonable, but when this goes live, whats gonna happen00:03
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keesjwhat is it?00:04
jeremiahlcuk: What do you mean? What do you think will happen?00:04
lcukcould you see the intent and completion of intent as being something which could boost karma, for example00:05
lcukis this going to be be brought into the maemoline user account process00:05
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* lcuk likes the idea00:05
jeremiahI have no other plans but to use it to track package requests, but others can adapt it to whatever.00:05
jeremiahIt think maintaining packages should give you a little karma00:06
jeremiahBut that's just me00:07
keesjsounds very good00:07
lcuki tend to agree :) those who work on packages and can navigate the pitfalls of different systems deserve credit :)00:07
jeremiahOne thing we definitely want to do is correlate the maintainer with the actual maintainer - not the _upstream_ maintainer00:07
jeremiahBecause if something goes wrong it would be nice to email them00:07
jeremiahRight now there are a lot of packages that say: debian-glibc-team@debian.org00:07
lcukyes a real live person who knows the local lay of the land00:07
jeremiahAnd I suspect they are not porting their packages to maemo. :P00:07
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jeremiahThought they are welcome to.00:07
jeremiahlcuk: Exactly.00:07
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lbtkeesj: AFAIK yes in Diablo, no in Fremantle00:08
lcuklbt, is that just a temporary glitch whilst libraries are sorted do you think00:08
lbthope so...00:08
lcuki would also imagine so00:09
lcukits just rerouting and making available signals from another source00:09
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lcuklbt, when you took liqbase-playground through the builder, did anything glare out as being missing, and did you manage to run in mer00:12
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jeremiahLooks like is back up00:14
jeremiahYay X-Fade!00:14
lcukheh x-fade prolly isnt jumping for joy - too tired00:14
lcuksat nursing the poorly 77000:14
lbtlcuk: it built...00:14
lcukso its available in mer ?00:15
lcukand not diablo lol00:15
lbtit's in the equivalent of extras-devel00:15
lcukheh, thats still closer00:15
lcukit wont build for me in diablo00:15
lcukmostly because of no environment to build from00:15
lcukso i cant change the dependency versions back down00:16
lcukto get it through00:16
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lbtapt-get install  liqbase-playground       is working but is very very slow... "Setting up liqbase-playground"00:19
lbt3 mins so far00:19
lcukits a big file00:19
lbtit's in extras on the menu but doesn't run00:20 from console00:20
lbtcanvas XvQueryAdaptors returned no adapters : System Error : Resource temporarily unavailable00:20
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lcukahhh right00:20
lcukno xv :(00:20
lcukthanks :)00:21
lbtyou should be able to use those debs on maemo too FWIW00:21
* lcuk just realised the version numbers are out00:21
lcukversion diffs?00:22
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* lcuk just spotted a bug00:25
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lcukyeah, it holds a readable name in the preferences file (or should do)00:26
lcukif there isnt one it just uses user00:26
lcuk:) it could use the linux user instead00:26
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lcuk .00:28
jeremiahWe're going dotty!00:29
lbtmine's bigger00:29
lcuki think the phrase is C-C-C-COMBO-BREAKER!00:29
jeremiah.oO( BIGGEST )00:29
parigaudilcuk: sorry (got called away for a while)00:30
parigaudilcuk: zxing has a cpp port which compiles and works under maemo00:30
lbt /\00:30
lbt \/00:30
Proteous _00:30
lcukis it quick enough for realtime00:30
parigaudiwell, i tested with a couple sample qrcode 2d barcodes00:31
lcukheh, can you decode this: ...00:31
parigaudiwhat's realtime for barcode scanning?00:31
Proteousit tells you what the item is before you scan it00:31
lcukpari whilst the camera is infront of it00:31
parigaudinot implemented the camera part yet00:32
lcukto be done properly, the barcode shouldnt be a discrete app really00:33
lcukjust something thats available when the camera is on00:33
parigaudiwell i planned it like this:00:33
parigaudione shared lib with zxing00:33
derfE.g., maemo-barcode, if you could convince lardman to actually work on it.00:33
Proteousit will be like the iphoto facial recognition system and find barcodes in all sorts of things like peaches and dinner plates00:33
lcukyes Proteous lol00:34
parigaudiand one simple app that you can start and choose an application profile (e.g. what barcode types and what to do with it)00:34
derflcuk: And your code says "lardman, here you go."00:34
lcuk:D derf00:34
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lcukits used as a button on the default image viewer and in the corner of one of the camera views00:35
parigaudiand when you then scan a barcode, it would either launch an app with the decoded code as argument00:35
derfMy qrcode reader decodes _far_ more codes successfully than zxing.00:35
parigaudior pass it via some other message passing ways to an already running app00:35
lcukshared lib sounds good to me00:35
derfAnd has no C++ dependency.00:35
parigaudie.g. dbus00:35
parigaudiyes zxing-cpp has c++ dependency00:36
derf(the whole thing fits in less than 64k)00:36
nomisderf: what is "your" qrcode reader?00:36
* lcuk likes native oldstyle proper shared lib apis :)00:36
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nomis(sorry if I am being ignorant...)00:37
lcukparigaudi, shared lib, barcode_tryidentify(sourcedata,resultcount,resultitems)00:38
parigaudiyou only get one string result right now00:38
lcukyeah, there can be more than one barcode in an image00:38
lcukespecially once the megapixels go up00:39
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parigaudilcuk: dude, the n810 camera is already limit resolution for ONE barcode00:39
nomisderf: ah, thanks.00:39
parigaudiyeah with the megapixels...00:39
lcukthe new device has a 5megapixel camera00:39
lcukparigaudi, i am thinking clearly and for the future - a proper method for you to return correct data :)00:39
parigaudibut multi-barcode detection would probably be quite a bit harder00:40
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parigaudiwith qrcode it would be feasible00:40
lcukyes, or when you take a picture of a shopping isle and 15 normal 1d barcodes show up00:40
parigaudibut it's not supported by zxing00:40
derfI would love to spend the time to make a real multi-format detector... but Google doesn't pay me to do this, unlike the zxing authors.00:40
lcuklook at the facial recognition software on cameras now00:40
lcukthey return number and locations of multiple heads00:41
lcukdo the same with a barcode00:41
lcukeven if at first it is only used for a single code00:41
parigaudiwell, i'll start with what's readily available (i.e. one barcode at a time) and then when the megapixels are there it can still be extended00:42
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lcukthe barcode scan routine that the screenshot above shows merely finds patterns like barcodes - it checks all lines but might find multiple patterns00:43
lcukits not any slower00:43
lcukyou still need to check the whole picture anyway00:43
zek152A question about the nokia n810,  The reviews mentioned taht the GPS didnt work well.  Has that been patched or is that still an issue?00:43
lcukyes, they adjusted the orbits of the satellites to be a little closer00:44
lcuklock times have improved00:44
parigaudiand it's also a question very much dependent on the gps chipset00:44
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parigaudii hope they put a sirfIII in the new device00:44
lcukanyway, vanishing, bbiab00:45
zek152parigaudi, are there different gps chips in the n810 ?00:45
parigaudizek152: i don't know what gps chip(set) they put in there.00:46
parigaudizek152: but only one00:46
JaffaOld, NSFW and UK centric:
nomiszek152: AFAIK the n810 uses some component more-or-less already integrated in the CPU core.00:46
zek152parigaudi, ok thats what i thought.  I believe that it is a TI chip.  I saw the specific chip somewhere00:47
zek152What are typical fix times?00:47
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jophishgar, is back again00:48
jophishand now stuck waiting for headers00:48
jophishisn't this magical00:48
parigaudididn't use the gps much, so i can't really tell about times00:48
parigaudilast time i had the impression it just wouldn't lock and then i put the n810 closer to the windshield front and a couples sec later it had locked00:49
parigaudiso i really don't know00:49
Proteouszek152: typical fix times are 30 sec to never00:50
Proteousdepending on sat visability00:50
zek152ok. well never is a long time lol00:50
ShadowJKmine's about 20 sec in my car00:50
Proteousbut normaly in a non moving outside position around 1 min or so00:51
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jophishhas anyone had a problem with apt-get update on maemo?00:52
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Stskeepsplenty? ;)00:52
jophishhanging on "waiting for headers"00:52
zek152Also, second thing.  Are there vpn clients that you can install on the n810?  I want to use this at a university that uses airlink00:52
Stskeepszek152: vpnc exists00:52
parigaudithere's an openvpn applet too00:52
parigaudididn't try it tho00:53
parigaudibut i plan to00:53
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zek152I dont know much about vpn but i thought that there were different protocols.  Should it work with all?  (I am at purdue university in case someone here is too)00:53
parigaudiindeed lots of very different protocols00:55
zek152  Thats the page about the wireless network00:55
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parigaudithey don't tell you WHAT KIND of vpn it is00:56
parigaudileast not on that page00:57
jeremiahStskeeps: hmmm. All I see is a blue arrow icon and a red X00:57
jeremiahWhere is the folder icon?00:57
florianhi all01:02
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jophishhmm, cant seem to connect to
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jophishhurrah! typing this from maemo01:26
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jeremiahjophish: Yeah, there have been some outages recently.01:35
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jaem_N810hey folks01:38
jaem_N810I rebooted my N810 last night (which is cloned to a card), and it kept crashing and rebooting at the Creepy Hands (TM) screen01:38
jaem_N810after a few times, it hung just before the bootmenu prompt, and said "TEST" in large green letters at the bottom01:39
jaem_N810pulling the battery made it boot again, but is that something I should be concerned about?01:40
wizaanyone here who has some skills with iptables?01:41
wizaI'm having problem with traffic going to wrong interface01:42
wizait's going to eth2 and it should be going to eth001:42
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ProteousLOL @ Creepy Hands01:50
ProteousI've messed with iptables a little01:50
Proteousalthough it's been a while01:50
jaem_N810Proteous: I believe there was a discussion on ItT a while back when someone mentioned animated splash code committed ;)01:50
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ProteousOMG finaly got my shipping confirmation email from nokia02:46
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ds3how long do people's battery last? (not run time, but time before battery capacity is noticeably decreased)02:58
Luke-Jrin practice, about 2 hours02:58
Luke-Jrin theory, I hear a month idle02:58
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Luke-Jroh, I get your parenthesis part now, nm02:59
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jaem_N810ds3: I've used my battery since mid-September last year, and it's still just fine, if that helps03:04
jaem_N810it depends on your usage patterns03:05
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MacerMac OS X will be available in September with an upgrade price of $29, a big notch less expensive than the $129 price of earlier upgrades.03:09
Macerjust goes to show how much work they did on it03:09
Macerall they did was just build 64bit apps and tack the word "snow" onto the name of it03:09
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xnt14hello world ! :)03:10
tank-manis it really $2903:10
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xnt14tank-man: what?03:10
derfThat depends on how well written those apps are. Just look at how long it took Adobe to build a 64-bit Flash.03:10
tank-manfuture mac os x upgrade03:11
derfCommercial code is notoriously horrible.03:11
* xnt14 backs up his nit root partition03:11
xnt14oh ok03:11
xnt14snow leo?03:11
xnt14oh ok :P03:11
* xnt14 will just get his mbp after snow leo comes out :P03:11
xnt14guys, is it possible to make a hw button run a script?03:12
xnt14~seen qwerty1203:13
infobotqwerty12 <> was last seen on IRC in channel #maemo, 6h 52m 42s ago, saying: 'wazd_: It was nice knowin..eek..'.03:13
ds3jaem_N810:do you keep it on the charger a lot?03:13
xnt14not here right now...03:13
xnt14well he would know03:13
xnt14qwerty12 = master of scripting :P03:13
xnt14for the nit03:13
ds3I am seeing odd behavior where it goes down to about 50% of the bar then all of a sudden I get a low battery warning...trying to figure out if my battery is too old (it is coming up on 1.5 years now)03:14
xnt14ds3: are you talking about the mbp or nit?03:14
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LiraNuna<ds3> jaem_N810:do you keep it on the charger a lot?03:16
LiraNunais it a bad practice?03:16
tank-manyea, it wastes energy, it says so on the screen. global warming and stuff03:18
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tank-man"An engineer from Nokia's UK research labs says that the company is developing technology that can harvest ambient electromagnetic radiation to keep a cellphone going. "03:22
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tank-manambient, that means free right? :)03:23
lcukyes, your phone will become an EM sink03:25
xnt14wireless electricity03:25
xnt14next thing you know, we'll have wpa2 for wi-em03:26
xnt14* "wi-em"03:26
Macer10 Jun 19:26:03 ntpdate[15321]: step time server offset -18299.368555 sec03:26
jaem_N810ds3: sorry, I was afk03:27
jaem_N810I keep it on the charger when I'm in bed or at my desk03:27
ds3xnt14: mbp? whats that?03:27
jaem_N810but I carry it around quite literally everywhere except the shower03:27
xnt14ds3: nevermind, I don't want to start a flamewar, GA would kill me :P03:27
ds3xnt14: stock OS2008 N800 if it matters03:28
jaem_N810xnt14: I think powerlaunch may be able to do that (the hw button thing)03:28
ds3jaem_N810: my charge pattern is a bit different then. I only charge it at night but I carry it around03:28
* xnt14 is waiting for his current os2008 to backup so he can reflash to stock03:29
ds3maybe 1.5years has the battery worn03:29
Luke-Jrpfft, stock03:29
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Luke-Jrwho is pmoulder?03:33
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pupnikmaemo-launcher is going crazy with memory: can i restart?03:44
pupniktablet too slow to google03:44
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xnt14im back03:56
xnt14fun with ascii art:
xnt14ascii gen ftw03:57
Luke-Jrxnt14: fail03:57
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mib_a1mbjcIs there anybody who know maemo inputMethod?04:05
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mib_a1mbjcI would like to ask several questions04:07
pupnikalways dicey, here04:11
pupniktry the mailing list04:11
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mib_a1mbjcpupnik, you are familiar with maemo input method plug-in example?04:18
pupnikno sry04:18
mib_a1mbjcThank you04:19
pupnikjust know some SDL input04:19
mib_a1mbjcOK, thank you, Where are you from?04:23
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b-man16  -- updated my new gallery to include labeling :)04:32
b-man16xnt14: !!!!!04:32
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dick-richardsonapplication manager shows "failed to refresh" for everything stating a lack to localhost:3128...anyone know where that's set?05:14
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* xnt14 is thinking that thats bad06:04
xnt14localhost, why would it go to that06:04
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gtbhas anyone been able to headless boot a 770?06:23
gtbi've been trying to make a custom firmware that starts the usb networking driver and ssh, but i can't connect to it06:23
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mib_a1mbjcHow to write their own plug-ins so that the default input method in the menu can be seen06:33
xnt14damnit b-man dropped out :P06:33
xnt14just when I was about to tell him to run a command on his site06:33
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xnt14~seen b-man06:34
infobotb-man <> was last seen on IRC in channel #maemo, 20d 4h 22m 23s ago, saying: 'wtf'.06:34
xnt14~seen b-man1606:34
infobotb-man16 is currently on #maemo (4s), last said: 'xnt14: !!!!!'.06:34
b-man16i'm here06:34
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b-man16wohooooooo!!!!! i have a new, massive domain XD
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b-man16thanks to xnt14 :)06:46
man_in_shackWOW that'a a massively awesome website you've got06:50
man_in_shackbtw, you spelt "</style>" wrong06:50
b-man16in index.html?06:51
b-man16blame xnt XD06:51
b-man16he set it up06:52
xnt14man_in_shack, yup, thats why the first <body> disappeared06:53
xnt14thank for the help :P06:53
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b-man16designed by me :)06:55
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pferrillanybody know why I keep getting a fatal error trying to install the latest SDK+ using the python script?07:11
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pferrillerror says07:11
pferrillGiving up, because failed to : echo -e 'Yes\n' | maemo-tools --mirror install lenny-2009-107:12
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Maceri'm watching the universe07:13
Macertalking about venus and mercury07:13
Macerfinally. a volcanologist gets to do something productive07:14
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madman587587anyone online?08:31
madman587587i have a motorola v3x and i just got HSPA wireless, is there any way i can connect them via bluetooth or usb cable, thx08:32
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madman587587i have a motorola v3x and i just got HSPA wireless, is there any way i can connect them via bluetooth or usb cable, thx08:43
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CutMeOwnThroatwhen people start coming in saying morning, it must be approaching bedtime08:49
thuxgmt +2 here or it could be +3 now in summertime08:53
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ShadowJKmadman: the wizard from control panel doesn't work?08:56
ShadowJKds3: my n810 battery is about a year and as new08:56
ShadowJKmy n800 was second hand and the battery does approximately what you described08:57
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ShadowJKthe charge meter assumes full capacity is still there, and gets a bit surprised when it isn't, and counts down the battery bars quickly08:58
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ShadowJKmind, even with brand new battery the meter shows 4/4 bars until half-empty :)08:59
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mib_a1mbjcHow to add a widget to the input method plug-ins?09:46
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mib_a1mbjcSome people know?09:47
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mib_a1mbjcis there anybody who know  how to add my own widget to the input method plug-ins?10:00
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Stskeepsmorning x-fade10:20
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RST38h!!!!!! FIXED10:26
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RST38hSts: I have been tracking a bug for the last 4-5 days10:29
RST38hFinally found it10:29
RST38hIt is an epic-fail type bug too10:30
Stskeepsah, that kind of feeling10:30
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Macercould only find the disney ultimate collection as dvd10:32
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RST38hMacer: Now, THAT is a sure sign of degradation =)10:43
* RST38h bets Macer will switch to watching Scooby Doo in no time now =)10:43
Macerit's for my son10:44
RST38hAh :)10:45
Maceri mean don't get me wrong. i don't mind watching disney cartoons :)10:45
Macerbetter than watching that noggin type shit10:45
RST38hNot that, but watching the whole thing in a row is kinda sick =)10:45
Macerlike wonder pets and little bear and that other shit that is just seriously way too goodie type shit10:45
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Macerthat "we're all friends and should work together" bullshit10:45
RST38hAh, the bears...10:46
Maceryeah. those types of cartoons are entertaining to small children because they don't know any better10:46
Macerthey just like the colors and don't realize the crap it's trying to teach them :)10:46
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RST38hThat is not crap, it is called social conditioning =)10:50
RST38hMacer: read a blog post once by some guy who took his 14 year old daughter to the window at night, pointed to the lights and said10:52
RST38hMacer: "See, there are 15 million people behind that window, probably about 2 mils in the visible part10:52
RST38hMacer: ...and guess what? None of these people give a damn about you."10:53
RST38hsocial conditioning.10:53
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Macerdisney cartoons are a little more real11:00
Macertinkerbell is a total bitch11:00
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Macerso is peter pan another banned cartoon for it's vulgar intepretation of native americans? :)11:04
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RST38hMacer: That is really nothing in comparison to this:
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Maceri'm watching dinosaur11:14
Macerwhere disney teaches children that primates and dinosaurs were around at the same time :)11:14
ds3cant contest that statement as spoken11:16
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ds3now if they said both ofthem are ALIVE....  dinosaurs and humans are around at the same time... just that the dinosaurs are fossils :D11:16
Macerno disney shows that monkeys will take care of lost dinosaur babies11:17
ds3as long as they are lost FOSSIL dinosaurs....11:17
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Macerthey are live dinosaurs in giant herds with monkeys around :)11:19
Macerscience at its best.. thank you disney!11:19
ds3There was Jurassic park...11:19
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Maceri think this is supposed to be an "in the past" type of movie11:20
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Macerat least they got the giant impact thing right :)11:25
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RST38hMacer <-- taking Disney too seriously11:27
Macerhahah well damn11:27
Macerthey could at least get the eras correct11:27
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Maceri mean dinosaurs and monkeys?11:27
RST38hMacer: I think you should watch Kill Bill and count problems there  instead =)11:28
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Maceryou mean mob boss caine? :)11:28
Macerit's like if you took his kung fu character and turned him into a mafia boss haha11:28
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lbtjeremiah: #mer.... chatting about gtk packaging and conflicts and scary things12:32
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wazdheya maemo13:05
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lcuklbt, packaging is scary anytime - i am officially grey haired now, and its not even complete13:08
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zetherooI have the N810 and its usually connected to my wireless network ... however it seems the file manager has a hard time showing the shared folders available on the network ... sometimes they are there and other times there is no browsable network at all ...14:11
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xnt14~seen b-man1614:35
infobotb-man16 is currently on #maemo (8h 1m 20s). Has said a total of 11 messages. Is idling for 7h 39m 51s, last said: 'designed by me :)'.14:35
pupniklard<tab>... :(14:39
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pupnikE: Couldn't find package gdb14:47
pupnikwhat has it?14:49
X-Fadepupnik: probably sdk/tools ?14:51
pupnikneed it on tablet  dont have pc14:51
pupnikhard to think14:51
woglindehi x-fade14:52
zetheroo I have the N810 and its usually connected to my wireless network ... however it seems the file manager has a hard time showing the shared folders available on the network ... sometimes they are there and other times there is no browsable network at all ...14:53
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pupnikzetheroo, does the tree have huge subdirs (many files)?14:56
pupnikone insane thing is hildon file dialogs scanning subdirs14:57
murraycone insane thing is hildon file dialogs.14:57
pupnikyes, sometimes i need to see more than 20 chars of a filename14:58
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Stskeepsmurrayc: any progress on thumb kbd or HIM hardwiring yet btw?14:59
murraycNo. It's blocking on something unrelated yet annoying.14:59
murraycSoonish, hopefully.14:59
pupnikanother 'fun' thing is being sllowed to r/w MyDocs, but not / or even /home/user14:59
pupnikwhich is ok for consumers15:00
pupnikbut should be disablable15:00
RST38hpupnik: oh yes there is a bug for that15:00
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pupnika nice project for a gtk coder15:01
pupnikwell, except that it gets outdated by os upgrade15:02
Stskeepsos upgrade? diablo upgrade? forget about it :P15:03
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lcuk_the_greyyeah, it was just in with my chips15:10
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lcuk_the_greydoes that mean we are gonna see a rival service ""15:12
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abhilash1can augmented reality done with just knowing c++??coz i read java is essential15:14
thopiekardoes anyone know how to fix my build?
thopiekarworks on my own sb1..15:15
thuxwhat is cracklib2?15:16
abhilash1basically i want to use flaretoolkit and i c++ to work on qugmented reality, is this possible??15:16
RST38habhilash1: I have heard certain controlled substances are necessary to properly augment one's reality15:17
abhilash1< RST38h> yes i read certian things, even went through some papers, but they've implemted using java and flash using flare toolkit15:18
abhilash1basically i kust know c,c++ and bit python, so wanted to knpw can this concept donr using c++15:19
RST38hok, let us play along for now15:19
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RST38habhilash1: Yes, it can.15:20
abhilash1< RST38h> oh hurray, then where can i get info??15:20
thopiekarcracklib2 is needed for vsftpd.. maybe someone would need this ftp-server running on his device..15:20
RST38habhilash1: google?15:20
abhilash1ya i did, went to some blogs n stuff, there only i got this irssi channel:) so came here15:21
lcuk_the_greythopiekar, you are referencing an external stylesheet for your xml portion, and the autobuilder cant find it15:21
tank-manwhat does that mean? augmented reality15:22
tank-mansounds like doctor who episode15:22
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thopiekarxmlto needs internet connection.. maybe the extras builder hasn't it in its chroot.. I had to configure my sb1..15:22
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X-Fadethopiekar: There is no outside access for the autobuilder. You need to provide everything that is needed to compile.15:23
RST38hthopiekar: what would you use xml for anyway?15:23
thopiekaraah k then..15:23
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thopiekarthe script is downloading the man-pages as xmls and converting it to normal ones..15:24
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abhilash1< tank-man>creating 3-D environment using flash and flare toolkit with bitmap image,
thopiekarhi murrayc :)15:24
abhilash1< tank-man>creating 3-D environment using flash and flare toolkit with bitmap image,
X-Fadethopiekar: Man pages don't make a lot of sense on a mobile device.15:24
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RST38hthopiekar: You can safely skip on manpages for the tablet15:25
tank-manunless you want to read man pages that is15:26
lcuk_the_greyin which case you have to disable docpurge and other things15:26
lcuk_the_greyand get it through the autobuilder ;)15:26
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thopiekarfor sure.. I could remove them then.. the debain-files are from ubuntu's sources, so I just have to make more modifications.. I just removed the python-modules before, because the needed packages "python-docutils" or other are not available on diablo..15:27
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X-Fadethopiekar: yeah, on a desktop it doesn't matter that it pulls in a lot of deps. On the device, your rootfs fills up quickly ;)15:32
thopiekaryes :P15:32
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X-FadeAsk lbt what happened when he pulled in qt on the developer devices. (and about a complete ubuntu install) :)15:33
lcuk_the_greyX-Fade, is everything running normally again now and i can create a ouple of garage projects?15:36
X-Fadelcuk_the_grey: Sure, go ahead.15:36
lcuk_the_grey:D wicked ill make them later - its not practical to have 2 live versions of the same project going is it - ie liqbase classic and liqbase-playground, but both in the same garage head15:37
X-Fadelcuk_the_grey: Why not create multiple heads then?15:38
zetheroopupnik: sorry I had to run out ... you asked about the tree having huge subdir .. I don't really know what you mean by that15:38
pupniki was just guessing15:38
lcuk_the_greywell the source and released version of liqbase is nice and stable and happy and serves at least me as the core featureset required for playground, but if i just start making new playground using the same project, people will download expecting it to be a direct upgrade15:39
pupnikperhaps the mount point has subdirectories containing many files15:39
lcuk_the_greyand has a different featureset15:39
pupnikcall it playsky15:39
zetheroopupnik: its just that sometimes the network option is in the tree and then sometimes its not15:40
andre__zetheroo, sounds a bit like maybe15:40
zetheroopupnik: is there a better browser for networks15:40
andre__it's definitely buggy, yeah15:40
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zetherooso xterm is a file browser?15:42
pupnikthe ls command is15:43
zetheroooh this is terminal stuff ...15:43
andre__install mc :-P15:43
andre__first thing i did actually...15:44
zetherooI just want to be able to browse my shared folders ... pretty please ... :)15:44
zetheroowhat is it? ..15:44
andre__a norton commander clone for the terminal15:44
andre__quite popular in linux world15:44
zetheroocan you browse the shared folders using emelFM2?15:45
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RST38handre: mc has got a slight problem15:47
RST38handre: otherwise known as virtual keyboard :)15:47
Stskeepsit doesnt resize'15:48
RST38hemelfm2 is mysterious like a freaking sphinx15:48
andre__right. i'm too used to n810, sorry15:48
RST38hSts: Resizes just fine, but there isn't much space left =)15:48
andre__at least mc in fullscreen mode with stylus keyboard works a bit :-/15:49
zetherooso is that a "no" about emelFM2?15:49
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RST38hpupnik: what? nokia promised to fix the file selector AND the file manager?15:50
MakeGhoany idea when the next maemo device would come out?15:51
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andre__define "fix"15:53
RST38handre: Refer to the itt thread15:54
fiferboyHi lbt15:54
andre__url's appreciated. i take a look at itt once per day15:55
andre__ah. thanks. (vague topic = stuff i don't always read)15:56
andre__uh. i see wrong assumptions. time to comment....15:56
fiferboyCan someone shoot me the link that describes how to setup qemu for mer development15:57
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Stskeepsfiferboy: define what you would need qemu for :)15:58
fiferboyBuilding Qt packages15:58
fiferboyScratchbox won't link them in virtualbox15:58
Stskeepsso, building qt packages for arm, i presume15:59
fiferboyI think lbt uses qemu to build them15:59
Stskeepsright, might be one way15:59
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Stskeepsscaringly enough i think i actually might be on nokia's side with the whole rotation debacle16:25
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Stskeepsrotated apps (when we have so little space) is really a different view on the same model16:26
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infobotxnt14 is currently on #maemo (1h 53m). Has said a total of 2 messages. Is idling for 1h 51m 22s, last said: ':P'.16:27
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RST38hSts: Is there a debacle?16:29
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pupnikgemrb (Bioware engine: Baldurs Gate 2 etc.) could use playtesters and python devs.  Good project nearing playability!  #gemrb on freenode.16:32
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lbtfiferboy: hi... yep that was the link...16:39
fiferboylbt: Thanks.  I got it set up.  Just about to upload the source16:39
fiferboyNeither of my virtualbox sessions (500 MB RAM, 1 GB RAM) would link libQtWebKit.so16:39
lbtfingers crossed that qemu wil16:40
fiferboyDo you tend to build locally with OBS, or remotely?16:40
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thangamhello all16:41
lbtremote is for full builds16:41
fiferboyGot it.16:41
lbtI usually set it going and then run a make and scp the .so to test16:42
thangammaemo is only for Nokia series or i can port Mameo to any platfrom16:42
fiferboySo you have to do the CLI build, rather than web interface?16:42
Stskeepsthangam: you would want to look at :)16:42
Stskeepsthangam: what do you have in mind?16:42
thangami would like to port maemo to imx31 platform16:43
lbtyes, I run : osc build blah armv5el qt*.dsc16:43
thangami have ported DEBIAN on imx3116:44
Stskeepsthangam: is this armv4, armv5, armv6?16:44
fiferboylbt: I see it now, I was looking at full build before16:44
thangamStskeeps: armv616:44
fiferboyNice instructions, by the way16:44
lbtI am working on "OBS as SDK" too16:44
thangamStskeeps: i tried downloading rootfs of Maemo16:44
Stskeepsthangam: should be very easy then. do you have 1) X working 2) touchscreen? 3) linux kernel booting? 4) how much space do you have?16:45
fiferboyNo, hopefully my wife doesn't mind me running a huge compile on our home machine16:45
thangamStskeeps: no i am booting rootfs on USB storage16:45
Stskeepsthangam: alright16:45
Stskeepsthangam: you can definately get Mer running on it :)16:46
lbtheh... I bought a (build) server for £50 at the weekend16:46
thangamStskeeps: i am keeping maemo rootfs on my /dev/sda1 partition16:46
fiferboyAre you running it headless?16:46
Stskeeps(Mer is a community edition of Maemo 5.0 fremantle)16:46
lbtwoo imx31 on Mer16:46
lbtkeep it in a cupboard16:46
thangamStskeeps: no mer/maemo all are hanging before init process16:47
lbtheh... I built a special cupboard...16:47
lbt4 servers in there now16:47
Stskeepsthangam: is this btw something you're doing for fun, or is it related to something commercial?16:47
fiferboyThat's your server room16:47
lbt+ satellite box and an extractor fan16:47
thangamStskeeps: after kernel booting..init process should start16:47
lbtextractor fan runs in reverse16:47
fiferboyWe have an old file server holding up our network switch in the basement16:47
lbtI had a rack... way too noisy16:47
thangamStskeeps: If it will run ..we will make it as commericial16:48
Stskeepsthangam: fair enough - do you have a kernel for it that works?16:48
fiferboylbt: After QWebView, is there anything that needs scrolling or scrolling changes that you know of?16:49
thangamStskeeps: Meamo/mer is booting with initfs(intial ram disk image)..but we will not boot kernel with INITFS16:49
Stskeepsthangam: yes16:49
Stskeepsthangam: listen, join the channel #mer , and we can talk there :)16:49
lbtmenus don't quite work16:49
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Stskeepsi'm sure we can get Mer running on it :)16:50
fiferboyYou mean scrolling in menus or menus in general?16:50
thangamStskeeps:: okay i will join there to discuss16:50
lbtscrolling in them16:51
lbtit used to work16:51
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lbtbut now something happens and the mouse-release seems to activate16:51
lbtI suspect gnuton's HIM16:51
fiferboyOh, scrolling in combo boxes is a little wierd like that too16:51
fiferboyYou can scroll, but it always trys to select16:51
lbtyes and textarea too - it pops up the keybd16:51
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fiferboyAlso, in combo boxes if you overshoot and the combo box closes, when you open it again it stays overshot16:52
fiferboySo, a few things left to fix :)16:52
lbtheh ... oops16:52
fiferboyWe will just market it as "persistant overshoot"16:53
fiferboyIt's a feature16:53
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fiferboyI bet even liqbase doesn't have persistant overshoot!16:53
lcuk_the_greyliqbase doesnt overshoot ;)16:54
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fiferboylcuk_the_grey: Really?  For some reason I thought it did...16:54
lcuk_the_greyand when text selection is put in left/right motion will actually select text instead of screwing with your mind ;)16:54
fiferboyBut I guess you would know better than I16:54
fiferboyQt text selection is done by magic16:54
* lcuk_the_grey uses black magic also16:54
lcuk_the_greyi mentioned something lastnight that i might try and implement with scrolling text16:55
lcuk_the_greyas you kinetically scroll, the faster you go, it zooms out a little16:55
pupnikswishing sounds?16:55
lcuk_the_greyso you see more items on page as they are going faster16:55
pupnikooh kewl16:55
lcuk_the_greyheh pupnik thats a longterm desire16:56
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lcuk_the_greybook flipping or wind noises would be REALLY cool16:56
fiferboyYou could implement a gyroscopic scroll, where the list moves perpendicularly to the direction you push it16:56
fiferboyThat would be a novel feature16:56
lcuk_the_greyand couner intuitive lol16:56
lcuk_the_greyengage drunken mode!16:56
fiferboyWho said gyroscopes were intuitive?16:56
lcuk_the_greyinverse scrolling!16:57
fiferboyDrunken mode, I like it!16:57
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lcuk_the_greyi actually had a listbox scrolling mechanism where the speed scaler was based on X position within the grid16:57
fiferboyThe faster you push the list, the slower it scrolls16:57
lcuk_the_greyon the left hand side the grid only moved at 1/2 real speed16:57
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lcuk_the_greyon the right it was 4x speed16:57
lcuk_the_greyfiferboy, that would infuriate everyone lol16:58
fiferboyI thought the point of programming was to infuriate end users...16:58
fiferboyMaybe I have been going about this wrong all along!16:58
lcuk_the_greynahhh its to make their life easier and to do whats asked quickly and effectively without wasting their or your time :)16:59
fiferboyOops, well that changes everything!16:59
lcuk_the_grey;) heh16:59
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fiferboyBack to the drawing board16:59
lcuk_the_grey apt-get install liqbase-playground - it has a drawing board :P17:00
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fiferboyplayground is in extras now?  or extras-devel?17:00
lcuk_the_greyfremantle only lol and its got problems17:00
lcuk_the_greyi turned grey trying to make packaging work and its still not right17:00
lcuk_the_greyi blew up 3 devkits and havent got a scratchbox of a devenv17:01
lcuk_the_greyand it still wont work on my 81017:01
lcuk_the_grey(where i did all dev lol)17:01
fiferboyPackaging seems to be something you have to start implementing before you start developing17:01
fiferboyPackaging a mature application always seems the hardest17:01
lcuk_the_greynot really, learning how it fits together is the hard part17:01
lcuk_the_greykees and jeremiah got me started with it17:01
lcuk_the_greybut then the fiddly bits of specifics liqbase wants mess it up17:02
RST38hAs long as you ignore the tons of glue SUGGESTED for packaging, you are ok17:02
lcuk_the_greyheh fifer - i was (and still am) tempted to just buy 8x0 devices and post them to poeple with liqbase on17:02
lcuk_the_greyi know it works17:02
lcuk_the_greyyes rst17:02
fiferboyI'll take one!17:02
lcuk_the_greythat got in my way17:02
lcuk_the_greyand ontop of that autotools is evil17:02
RST38hIt is actually rather simple once you delete/ignore all the crap17:02
RST38hWell, why are you using autotools?17:03
lcuk_the_greyrealistically needs libtool and the other bits17:03
lcuk_the_greyive done it with a handcoded makefile for now17:03
lcuk_the_greywhich is how its even in extras at all lol17:03
lcuk_the_greybut for versioning and making the extras .so files expect17:03
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* GAN800 wonders why people buying bibles are consistently the most rude and unpleasant.17:08
GAN800Jesus doesn't love assholes.17:10
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GAN800timeless_mbp, work.17:12
RST38hBut assholes absolutely love Jesus17:12
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n6pfkWhere can I find xgalega for the N810?17:16
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infobotI herald you, my supreme master! Lead us into the light of your wisdom and power17:25
RichiHinfobot: botsnack17:25
infobotRichiH: aw, gee17:25
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RichiHwhat is this talk about a N900 based on OMAP 3430 which will have GSM and UMTS?17:26
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infoboti heard rx-51 is
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GAN800Supposedly 3.5" and GSM17:29
aquatix(and hspa and such)17:29 related maybe17:29
aquatixso, supposedly quite awesome imho17:30
GAN8003.5" is going to be a ridiculously big letdown if it's not GSM.17:31
aquatixGAN800: hey, didn't know that project17:31
aquatixheh, yeah17:31
RichiHlooks very very interesting17:32
GAN800RichiH, hopefully interesting turns out to be released soon.17:33
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fiferboylbt: OBS is showing the MerExtrasStable armv5el repo with an error17:58
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fiferboyWell, when I add the repo to my project it says "expansion error: 1" under armv5el17:59
fiferboyI followed the "Setting up Build Repositories: WWW" from the wiki18:00
lbtwhen you mouseover the expansion error18:01
lbtwhat does it say?18:01
fiferboy"The build can not begin, because required packages are either missing or not explicitly defined"18:01
fiferboyWhen I click on the error and look it up18:02
lbtnothing provides libreadline4-dev18:02
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fiferboyWhen I try building my package it says that18:02
lbtyou're running maemo2 source18:03
lbtyou need to 'fix' it18:03
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lbtmaemo has scratchboxisms and stuff18:03
lbtso it depends on libreadline4-dev and not libreadline-dev18:03
fiferboyOh right, I thought you commited those to the qt4 svn18:04
lbtand occasionally looks in /scratchbox/ for code18:04
lbtno, they'r Mer/sane fixes18:04
lbtnot Qt/Hildon18:04
lbtso I keep them in Mer/patches as packaging fixes18:04
suihkulokkilbt: I think that's a wee bit complicated scheme18:06
Stskeepsinteresting reactions from danish bloggers about iphone 3g S .. "i had hoped for sw updates and not speed" "i had hoped for something more than just a 3g with some more speed" "i had really hoped for fm radio"18:06
Stskeepsand "more mpixel!"18:06
Stskeepsnokia might actually have a shot, heh :)18:07
RST38hnone of them want it pink?18:09
VDVsxseriously, the iphone is a cool device, but the things that apple announced like big innovations, are in majority of the cellphones for ages18:09
VDVsxvideo recording, woooooooo, lol18:09
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RST38hVDVsx: this does not really matter for the true adepts of the cult18:09
xnt15helloworld :P18:09
wazdiPhone 3G ass :)18:09
VDVsxRST38h, true18:09
RST38hVDVsx: not offered by apple == does not exist18:09
RST38h== nobody needs it too18:09
wazdWell, don't be so proud, I think nokia is going to the "you don't need this" way too :)18:10
VDVsxRST38h, lol, but the media help a lot passing this impression18:10
wazdQuim already told you that you don't need to navigate trhu 1000 files18:11
VDVsxwazd, ehehe18:11
thangamREADME alsa-utils atd autofs bootclean bootlogd cron dbus hal halt keymap killprocs klogd loopback lxnm module-init-tools mountoverflowtmp networking pcmciautils p18:11
wazdNext time you'll not need some more useless stuff like switchable browser engile or swappable battery :D18:12
Stskeepsthangam: thanks18:12
Stskeepsyeah, it's obviously not there18:12
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n6pfkls -l q218:14
b-man16lol, i now have a copy of palm's webos
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Stskeepsb-man16: publically logged channel, possibly copyright software .. hint18:15
lbtsuihkulokki: not really... but it does look it18:16
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lcuk_the_greyshouldnt a webos be available for download from the web?18:17
b-man16it's only going to be there temporarily18:17
lcuk_the_greyif i havent got a webos how can i open a webpage18:18
Stskeepsb-man16: yeah.. copyright people usually don't care about that :P18:18
lcuk_the_greyStskeeps, heh, he might have a poorly pre18:18
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b-man16<repost>it's only going to be there temporarily18:20
Stskeeps*shrug* :P18:20
* Stskeeps doesn't personally care but does know of scenarios where the past came to haunt one :)18:20
b-man16poorly pre?18:20
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fiferboylbt: How hard is it to fix the scratchboxisms?18:24
lbtsee my diff18:24
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lbtah, no18:25
fiferboyWhich diff is that?18:25
lbtyou can't18:25
lbtwhich is why I'm beating myself senseless doing vcs/packaging18:25
lbtso I could say "this diff"18:25
* b-man16 takes down
b-man16happ? XD18:25
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palmos_botb-man16  noted18:28
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b-man16hi qwerty1318:30
lbtfiferboy: best for now is to look here
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lbtget the qt4-x11_4.5.0-1maemo1mer2.diff.gz18:31
lbtand look at stuff in configure + debian18:31
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qwerty12hi b-man1618:32
fiferboylbt: If I do a local build of that project (not sure if that is possible) would I be able to make changes locally and recompile?18:33
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lbtthe best thing to do for you18:33
fiferboySo I have to check that project out locally, correct?18:33
lbtis probably osc co Maemo:Mer:Devel:Qt/qt4-x1118:33
* b-man16 runs /whois on palmos_bot... XD18:33
lbtthen osc build ....18:33
fiferboyDo I need to edit any config files or set anything up in web interface?18:34
lbt100% CLI18:34
lbt"just works"18:34
fiferboyThat is the best way!18:34
lbtI also find that mount --bind is good18:34
fiferboyDoes it have the latest fingerscrolling in it?18:34
fiferboyThat's not a problem.18:34
lbtI am being dragged pillar to post ;)18:35
lbtwant to see gnuton's commit to gitorious18:35
fiferboyHas he made it yet?18:35
lbtthen apply our latest patches (squashed probably)18:35
lbtnot AFAIK18:35
fiferboyI'll send you my (small) fix to FingerScrollBars18:35
lbtI'll apply these to the Mer Qt anyway18:37
fiferboyWhat repo do I build that project with?18:38
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dijeneratehi all18:39
fiferboyYes, it is working!18:39
dijenerateI'm looking to build maemo on x8618:40
dijeneratecan anyone tell me if it has already been done with Maemo 5 and if so where can I find more info?18:41
Stskeepsyou want to build applications for maemo using x86, or use maemo on x86?18:41
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dijenerateI want to use Maemo on x8618:43
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dijenerate5 specifically if licenses permit18:43
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Stskeepsright, i'm not sure if it's allowed beyond personal use for maemo5 (3d effects, libraries, themes, etc). if you're interested in maemo 5.0 apis on x86 & other devices not exclusively nokia tablets, look into
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Stskeeps(look at the releases pages for screenshots, not About)18:49
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JaffaStskeeps: we should update the About page with some really stunning current screenshots, and then have a "more screenshots are on the release pages"18:56
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StskeepsJaffa: yeah.. i'll add to backlog18:56
JaffaStskeeps: ta18:57
GAN800Stskeeps, that purple blob has got to go.19:00
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StskeepsGAN800: oh, i agree - reason why it's like this is a theming engine error19:01
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fiferboylbt: That build asks me for a password.  My OBS password did not work19:08
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lbtroot passwd19:08
lbtit wants to chroot19:08
fiferboyAh, got it.19:08
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fiferboyAfter I entered the password it said "su: Authentication failure" so I should have guessed19:09
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lbthmm, used to be in setup...19:10
fiferboyHmm, still gives me an auth failure.  Maybe because Ubuntu doesn't use su?19:10
fiferboyYes, just running 'su' in Ubuntu gives the same error19:10
mgedminubuntu doesn't set a root password by default, so su can't possibly work19:11
lbttry /etc/sudoers?19:11
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lbtubuntu is..... different..... sometimes ;)19:11
fiferboyYes, quite different in some ways19:11
thopiekarisn't "su", as I know from opensuse, the same as "sudo -s" in ubuntu?19:12
mgedminyes, but su asks for the root password, while sudo -s asks for your password19:13
* b-man16 discovers that Palm Pre's WebOS is ipkg-based.... AWESOME!!!19:13
Corsacyup, open-embbeded based19:15
b-man16indeed - i can't wait to hack it XD19:16
Stskeepsb-man16: i doubt you'll be able to hack it, probably signed firmwares :P19:16
b-man16just a jar archive19:17
Stskeepsyeah, but you probably can't access that tree through flashing19:17
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Stskeepsbut we'll see if it's tivoized19:17
b-man16the rootfs is stored in a tar.gz file19:18
b-man16and i can acsess it with jar -x19:18
b-man16the rootfs size is 193mb19:18
b-man16if it's tivoized, i'll figure it out ;)19:19
Stskeepsyeah, okay, it does seem like it's hackable..19:20
b-man16and btw, someone is establishing a wiki for it ;)19:20
Stskeepsyou have one, or not? :P19:21
Stskeepseither way, it'd just be a neat proof of concept19:21
b-man16nope, but i can figure out how to use it with qemu ;)19:21
b-man16it's armv7 - so technicly it could run on the n900 ;)19:22
Stskeepsi was more thinking in lines of having a sane os on it19:23
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b-man16ah, yeah, heh19:24
* b-man16 also notices that the base system functions use java19:26
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b-man16heh, it's like a mix of Angstrom and Android - except i dont (think) it is using a highly modified kernel19:27
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n6pfkDoes anyone know where I can find xgalega that runs on the N810?20:11
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fiferboylbt: After I get the deb to start building (generate all the makefiles and configure) how do I rebuild a specific .so after makeing changes?20:23
fiferboyYou said something about mount --bind?20:24
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* Stskeeps kinda likes the huge activity in Community forum.20:27
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VDVsxandre__, ping20:37
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RST38hmoo all20:39
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lbtsudo chroot /scratch3/maemo/Mer/obs/build-MerExtrasStable_MerStable_Ubuntu_9.04-armv5el-merpad/ su abuild20:47
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lbtcd /usr/src/packages/BUILD20:47
fiferboyExcellent.  Thanks!20:47
lbtcd src/3rdparty/webkit/ ; make20:48
lbtnb... once you've messed about you *can* do20:48
lbtdpkg-buildpkg -b -nc20:48
lbtthe -nc means "no clean"20:48
fiferboyI'm still waiting for the clean portion of pkg-buildpackage to finish from the initial osc build command20:49
lbtso it won't purge .o files20:49
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fiferboyThe clean takes forever!  Not to mention purging the files I want...20:49
lbtyes... it also needs to build tools20:49
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fiferboyI also do a -b so it doesn't take forever building the source packages20:49
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Stskeepsb-man16: how fast is your JS stuff anyway?20:54
b-man16it's fast ;) - verry little cpu+ram usage20:54
b-man16btw, i was able to chroot into WebOS on my tablet - wooooooohoooooo!!!!!! 8D20:55
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Stskeepsb-man16: hehe20:55
Stskeepsb-man16: what engine is it?20:55
b-man16it actually will run! XD20:55
b-man16wait, in palm?20:56
Stskeepsas in, your engine stuff20:56
b-man16+v8 and spidermonkey - optional20:57
Stskeepsb-man16: reason why i wonder is because we need something to deal with events on tablets20:57
Stskeepskinda like powerlaunch20:57
Stskeepsso you can do stuff like, see signal on dbus, do something20:58
Stskeepsor power button pressed => show menu20:58
Stskeepsor "sd card partition noticed, automount"20:58
Stskeepsand it should be easy to script so everyone can add receipts20:58
Stskeepsand it needs to be a tiny and fast daemon20:59
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b-man16it's verry resource friendly21:00
b-man16it should be possible with Ejscript - since it's  system wide js21:00
b-man16wb z4chh21:01
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b-man16z4chh - i got Palm Pre WebOS  chroot on my tablet!!21:01
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b-man16it works!!!21:01
Stskeepsdefine works.. runs?21:01
Stskeepsas in, you can see a display?21:01
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b-man16i haven't gotten to that point yet21:02
b-man16but hopefully21:02
lcuk_the_greywebos is on the whole a "sane" linux21:02
b-man16it even uses a maemo-like sysv init startup system21:02
lcuk_the_greywit ha nice frosted java based topping21:02
Stskeepsb-man16: but ejscript requires webserver running in some degree i guess21:03
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Stskeepsor can it run standalone21:03
b-man16it can runn standalone21:03
Stskeepsget me a top of it at some point21:04
* b-man16 grabs the link21:04
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pupnikwatch this:  iphone 3g software - fun starts at 0:50
Macerhaha.. wtf.. little bill can't watch the baseball game because i guess his family didn't upgrade to the digital tuner?21:05
b-man16Stskeeps:   - source, development, and binary packages+documentation21:06
Stskeepshm, embedding21:07
keesjisnt' this what ohm is doing?21:07
Macerpupnik: wtf? :)21:07
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Macerwhat is that?21:07
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* b-man16 plays with WebOS21:07
keesjacting on hardware changes21:07
Macerthat was pretty awesome21:08
pupnikthat is very impressive shit21:08
keesjthe problem is that you need booth something that runs as root and some other thing that runs with the X session21:08
Macerpupnik: yeah. have to give them that one21:08
Macerthat is awesome21:08
lcuk_the_greydoes the iphone need to disable the window manager to give user access to 3d?21:08
Stskeepskeesj: true, but some of that can be abstracted away / done through dbus21:09
Stskeepsb-man16: anyway, give me a hint on the actual RAM/CPU usage sometime :)21:09
keesjdbus is more like an explosion mechanism to me :p21:10
Stskeepskeesj: but it's also to make receipes like .. "when on wlan, turn on gps" or "when mom calls, ignore"21:10
Stskeepsthat kind of mechanism21:10
Stskeepser, when on DUN, turn on gps21:10
lcuk_the_greytake the engine of powerlaunch and give it a sane script interface21:10
lcuk_the_greyor just accept powerlaunch does the job21:11
* lcuk_the_grey longs for AREXX like integration :)(21:12
lcuk_the_greyhell, an activex interface to apps would ok ;)21:12
keesjyes , we all know GNU/Linux is really a mess, any other os has such things built-in21:12
lcuk_the_greyi think arexx only came quite late on21:12
keesjthat is what keeps me off the street to be honest21:12
lcuk_the_greyoriginal apps didnt use it (that i remember)21:12
lcuk_the_greyStskeeps, the problem with some of the recipes and interactions is the apps themselves need to expose interfaces to listen or expose their functionality21:13
lcuk_the_greylike you mentioned "when mom calls" you can only control skype if it exposed an api to do it from#21:14
Stskeepsmaybe worth looking into some of the agent research21:14
lcuk_the_greyand so app developers themselves have to account for it - its just like an additional interface ontop of the preexisting Command line params, user input, and maybe a net api21:14
lcuk_the_greyim not sure if QT has a global method for it21:15
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lcuk_the_greyso you could create an App XYZ with its widget tree, but from externally you could call members of that tree and make events fire etc21:15
* lcuk_the_grey considers this for liq* stuff :)21:16
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* MishaS just uploaded fbreader to fremantle builder...21:22
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MishaSnothing happens? :)21:22
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dommeis there an extra support channel for nokia 770?21:32
Stskeepsi doubt there's a support channel for even n8x0s :P21:32
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Stskeepswhat problem do you have?21:32
dommemy mother's 770 stopped displaying networks once.. then she brought it to a shop and they made it working again.. but navicore (her navigation software) stopped working21:33
dommeand i couldnt reinstall it21:34
dommethen i reflashed the 770.. and wlan stopped working now again21:34
Stskeepsthere's a problem if the 770 is nearby a 802.11n network21:34
Stskeepsthen it goes "blind"21:34
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dommeyup, i read that21:35
dommebut it worked before21:35
Stskeepsnot sure if its even fixable in software21:35
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dommei guess my neighbours didnt start a 802.11n network while i was flashing the nokia21:36
Stskeepswell, if you find a solution do tell me :P21:37
Stskeepsi have a 770 that doesn't do much21:37
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dommethat's really strange.. and i wonder what that shop/nokia (afaik they sent it to nokia) made21:38
Stskeepsif anything, n800/n810s are dead cheap these days21:39
dommehow much?21:40
till-my father got an n810 for about 190 euro from amazon21:41
domme200 euro? that's not dead cheap21:41
Stskeepshmm, i saw cheaper21:41
dommethat's very expensive if you own a device which is supposed to work21:41
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Stskeepsdomme: though 770 came out in what, 2005? :P21:41
dommeStskeeps: yes, but it worked this afternoon21:41
Stskeeps(i agree, i own a 770 too that's not doing much)21:41
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dommemhh damn.. :\21:43
dommethis really sucks..21:43
Stskeepswhat OS version on it?21:44
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dommeStskeeps: which it was when it worked?21:57
domme2006 something.. but it looked like the standard n800 theme i saw on laast year's akademy21:57
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dommei installed an ancient firmware... and wlan seems to work again o.O22:05
dommelet's see if i can install navicore22:05
Luke-Jrdomme: uh? 2006 *IS* ancient22:06
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StskeepsLuke-Jr: but it isn't half bad on 77022:06
dommeLuke-Jr: Nokia_770_3.2005.51-13.bin22:06
Luke-Jroh, 77022:06
Luke-Jrupgrade to a SmartQ ;)22:06
dommeit's not even my device22:07
Luke-Jrso? :þ22:07
dommeit would have to tell my mother to upgrade22:07
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Luke-Jrdo that22:07
* b-man16 gets an Illegal instruction error when re-entering WebOS chroot, hmmm22:08
Luke-Jrb-man16: qemu? or native?22:09
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b-man16everything else  works22:09
dommewlan works but navicore fails to install ...22:09
Luke-Jr770 doesn't have a GPS, does it?22:09
dommeper bluetooth22:10
Luke-Jro i c22:10
qwerty12_N800it does come with something called bluetooth22:10
Luke-JrI still don't understand bluetooth22:10
dommeit's when you eat too much blueberries22:11
dommethen you get bluetooth22:11
dommesevere illness22:11
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dommeokay, same problem with Nokia_770_SE2005_5_2006_13_7.bin22:16
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dommei'll try SU-18_2006SE_1.2006.26-8_PR_F5_MR0_ARM.bin22:16
Stskeepsbe aware of WSOD22:17
Stskeepswhite screen of death22:17
Stskeepstoo many flashes => dead screen22:17
Stskeepsgoogle 770 wsod22:17
cosmonot even too many, i got it on first upgrade22:18
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cosmoi think i was the first to report it. i even lent the device to some nokia guy to diagnose.22:19
dommeand then.. the device is totally broken?22:19
cosmoyep, it needs service22:19
cosmoit's unknown what causes it, but flashing can trigger it22:20
dommeand nothing can untrigger it? :\22:20
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cosmono, it's bricked22:21
cosmoi luckily had warranty left so i got it fixed for free22:21
dommeokay, last try for today22:21
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cosmoof course the bug may be fixed in newer hardware.. my 770 was one of the first ones on sale22:23
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dommedunno.. i'll send my mother to the shop again22:28
dommethey shall make wlan AND navicore work again22:28
dommeit once did :\22:28
johns_can i tell qemu to use -cpu arm1136 without commandline?22:29
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lcukX-Fade, :$ if you are nearby some kind of terminal could you please do something with the 2 projects i just applied to22:31
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andre__VDVsx, pong22:50
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VDVsxandre__, I have a question about the 'extra products' in b.m.o, but already asked in the mail that I sent to you :)22:53
VDVsxandre__, did you enjoyed the wine ? :P22:54
andre__ah. just put some money in that bag, as per instructions, and you can get your product :-P22:54
andre__oh yeah. what an awesome weather. heavy wind and sun. was great :)22:54
* andre__ downloads mail22:54
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pupnikcan i synthesize sound on dsp while it passes system audio, mixing the two?22:57
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andre__VDVsx, looks good. going to create it in the next 30 minutes22:58
VDVsxandre__, ok, I only had a doubt about the last topic23:03
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andre__no. perfect23:05
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Andrew-WorkAnyone seen johnx?23:09
Stskeepshe's probably busy with work23:10
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Andrew-WorkI can't figure out how to print this flyer right23:10
Andrew-Workwell your suppose to be able to fit two on one 8.5 x 11 paper I think23:11
Andrew-WorkI guess if i take one to office max they can put two on a page and print me off a couple hundred23:13
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andre__darn. 34 minutes, not 30. :-P23:32
VDVsxandre__, thanks ;)23:33
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* xnt14 's favorite phrase: 声を出して笑う23:40
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xnt14noone here can read japanese? XD23:43
inzxnt, LOL?23:45
inzGoogle Translate to teh rescue!23:45
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