| * Proteous gies it the (Jeremiah,"Works for me!") seal of approval | 00:00 | |
| jeremiah | Weird that we can reach test.maemo.org via port 80 but not port 22. | 00:00 |
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| keesj | also you can still edit the "package" after the ckeck | 00:00 |
| Proteous | yeah, what happend to the webserver on port 22? | 00:00 |
| lcuk | jeremiah, when do you log the requests to db | 00:00 |
| lcuk | cos i could send you tweets from device lol | 00:00 |
| lcuk | with random searches | 00:01 |
| jeremiah | lcuk: I am not going to tell you! (But its at the end. :) ) | 00:01 |
| jeremiah | lcuk: What I need to do is dump more data into the db, it just contains a small selection of packages right now. | 00:01 |
| jeremiah | I want to add all the distros. | 00:01 |
| jeremiah | I think right now it is just diablo/free | 00:02 |
| lcuk | yeah sounds reasonable, but when this goes live, whats gonna happen | 00:03 |
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| keesj | what is it? | 00:04 |
| jeremiah | lcuk: What do you mean? What do you think will happen? | 00:04 |
| lcuk | could you see the intent and completion of intent as being something which could boost karma, for example | 00:05 |
| jeremiah | ah | 00:05 |
| Proteous | CHAOS! CATS AND DOGS LIVING TOGETHER! | 00:05 |
| jeremiah | heh | 00:05 |
| lcuk | is this going to be be brought into the maemoline maemo.org user account process | 00:05 |
| lcuk | mainline^ | 00:05 |
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| * lcuk likes the idea | 00:05 | |
| jeremiah | I have no other plans but to use it to track package requests, but others can adapt it to whatever. | 00:05 |
| jeremiah | It think maintaining packages should give you a little karma | 00:06 |
| jeremiah | But that's just me | 00:07 |
| keesj | sounds very good | 00:07 |
| lcuk | i tend to agree :) those who work on packages and can navigate the pitfalls of different systems deserve credit :) | 00:07 |
| jeremiah | One thing we definitely want to do is correlate the maintainer with the actual maintainer - not the _upstream_ maintainer | 00:07 |
| jeremiah | Because if something goes wrong it would be nice to email them | 00:07 |
| jeremiah | Right now there are a lot of packages that say: debian-glibc-team@debian.org | 00:07 |
| lcuk | yes a real live person who knows the local lay of the land | 00:07 |
| jeremiah | And I suspect they are not porting their packages to maemo. :P | 00:07 |
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| jeremiah | Thought they are welcome to. | 00:07 |
| jeremiah | lcuk: Exactly. | 00:07 |
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| lbt | keesj: AFAIK yes in Diablo, no in Fremantle | 00:08 |
| lcuk | lbt, is that just a temporary glitch whilst libraries are sorted do you think | 00:08 |
| lbt | hope so... | 00:08 |
| lcuk | i would also imagine so | 00:09 |
| lcuk | its just rerouting and making available signals from another source | 00:09 |
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| lcuk | lbt, when you took liqbase-playground through the builder, did anything glare out as being missing, and did you manage to run in mer | 00:12 |
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| jeremiah | Looks like maemo.org is back up | 00:14 |
| jeremiah | Yay X-Fade! | 00:14 |
| lcuk | heh x-fade prolly isnt jumping for joy - too tired | 00:14 |
| lcuk | sat nursing the poorly 770 | 00:14 |
| lbt | lcuk: it built... | 00:14 |
| lbt | http://download.opensuse.org/repositories/Maemo://Mer://Extras://Devel/MerStable_Ubuntu_9.04/armel/ | 00:14 |
| lcuk | so its available in mer ? | 00:15 |
| lcuk | and not diablo lol | 00:15 |
| lbt | it's in the equivalent of extras-devel | 00:15 |
| lcuk | heh, thats still closer | 00:15 |
| lcuk | it wont build for me in diablo | 00:15 |
| lcuk | mostly because of no environment to build from | 00:15 |
| lcuk | so i cant change the dependency versions back down | 00:16 |
| lcuk | to get it through | 00:16 |
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| lbt | apt-get install liqbase-playground is working but is very very slow... "Setting up liqbase-playground" | 00:19 |
| lbt | 3 mins so far | 00:19 |
| lbt | done | 00:19 |
| lcuk | its a big file | 00:19 |
| lbt | it's in extras on the menu but doesn't run | 00:20 |
| lcuk | liqbase-playground-run.sh from console | 00:20 |
| lbt | canvas XvQueryAdaptors returned no adapters : System Error : Resource temporarily unavailable | 00:20 |
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| lcuk | ahhh right | 00:20 |
| lcuk | no xv :( | 00:20 |
| lbt | http://pastebin.com/m6e4528d1 | 00:20 |
| lcuk | thanks :) | 00:21 |
| lbt | you should be able to use those debs on maemo too FWIW | 00:21 |
| * lcuk just realised the version numbers are out | 00:21 | |
| lcuk | rly/ | 00:22 |
| lcuk | version diffs? | 00:22 |
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| * lcuk just spotted a bug | 00:25 | |
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| lbt | user | 00:26 |
| lcuk | yeah, it holds a readable name in the preferences file (or should do) | 00:26 |
| lcuk | if there isnt one it just uses user | 00:26 |
| lcuk | :) it could use the linux user instead | 00:26 |
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| pupnik | . | 00:28 |
| lcuk | . | 00:28 |
| Proteous | . | 00:28 |
| jeremiah | . | 00:29 |
| jeremiah | We're going dotty! | 00:29 |
| lbt | , | 00:29 |
| lbt | mine's bigger | 00:29 |
| lcuk | i think the phrase is C-C-C-COMBO-BREAKER! | 00:29 |
| Proteous | heh | 00:29 |
| jeremiah | o | 00:29 |
| lbt | O | 00:29 |
| jeremiah | O | 00:29 |
| lbt | () | 00:29 |
| jeremiah | .oO( BIGGEST ) | 00:29 |
| parigaudi | lcuk: sorry (got called away for a while) | 00:30 |
| parigaudi | lcuk: zxing has a cpp port which compiles and works under maemo | 00:30 |
| lbt | /\ | 00:30 |
| lcuk | "works" | 00:30 |
| lbt | \/ | 00:30 |
| Proteous | _ | 00:30 |
| lcuk | is it quick enough for realtime | 00:30 |
| Proteous | |_| | 00:30 |
| lbt | heh | 00:30 |
| parigaudi | well, i tested with a couple sample qrcode 2d barcodes | 00:31 |
| parigaudi | realtime? | 00:31 |
| lcuk | heh, can you decode this: ... | 00:31 |
| parigaudi | what's realtime for barcode scanning? | 00:31 |
| Proteous | it tells you what the item is before you scan it | 00:31 |
| lcuk | http://liqbase.net/barcode.png | 00:31 |
| lcuk | pari whilst the camera is infront of it | 00:31 |
| parigaudi | not implemented the camera part yet | 00:32 |
| lcuk | http://liqbase.net/liq.20081026_204523.gary.cam.png | 00:32 |
| lcuk | to be done properly, the barcode shouldnt be a discrete app really | 00:33 |
| lcuk | just something thats available when the camera is on | 00:33 |
| parigaudi | well i planned it like this: | 00:33 |
| parigaudi | one shared lib with zxing | 00:33 |
| derf | E.g., maemo-barcode, if you could convince lardman to actually work on it. | 00:33 |
| Proteous | it will be like the iphoto facial recognition system and find barcodes in all sorts of things like peaches and dinner plates | 00:33 |
| lcuk | yes Proteous lol | 00:34 |
| parigaudi | and one simple app that you can start and choose an application profile (e.g. what barcode types and what to do with it) | 00:34 |
| derf | lcuk: And your code says "lardman, here you go." | 00:34 |
| lcuk | :D derf | 00:34 |
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| lcuk | its used as a button on the default image viewer and in the corner of one of the camera views | 00:35 |
| parigaudi | and when you then scan a barcode, it would either launch an app with the decoded code as argument | 00:35 |
| derf | My qrcode reader decodes _far_ more codes successfully than zxing. | 00:35 |
| parigaudi | or pass it via some other message passing ways to an already running app | 00:35 |
| lcuk | shared lib sounds good to me | 00:35 |
| derf | And has no C++ dependency. | 00:35 |
| parigaudi | e.g. dbus | 00:35 |
| parigaudi | yes zxing-cpp has c++ dependency | 00:36 |
| derf | (the whole thing fits in less than 64k) | 00:36 |
| nomis | derf: what is "your" qrcode reader? | 00:36 |
| * lcuk likes native oldstyle proper shared lib apis :) | 00:36 | |
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| nomis | (sorry if I am being ignorant...) | 00:37 |
| lcuk | parigaudi, shared lib, barcode_tryidentify(sourcedata,resultcount,resultitems) | 00:38 |
| parigaudi | resultcount,resultitems? | 00:38 |
| parigaudi | you only get one string result right now | 00:38 |
| lcuk | yeah, there can be more than one barcode in an image | 00:38 |
| derf | nomis: https://garage.maemo.org/svn/maemo-barcode/trunk/qrcode/ | 00:38 |
| lcuk | especially once the megapixels go up | 00:39 |
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| parigaudi | lcuk: dude, the n810 camera is already limit resolution for ONE barcode | 00:39 |
| nomis | derf: ah, thanks. | 00:39 |
| parigaudi | yeah with the megapixels... | 00:39 |
| lcuk | the new device has a 5megapixel camera | 00:39 |
| lcuk | parigaudi, i am thinking clearly and for the future - a proper method for you to return correct data :) | 00:39 |
| parigaudi | but multi-barcode detection would probably be quite a bit harder | 00:40 |
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| parigaudi | with qrcode it would be feasible | 00:40 |
| lcuk | yes, or when you take a picture of a shopping isle and 15 normal 1d barcodes show up | 00:40 |
| parigaudi | but it's not supported by zxing | 00:40 |
| parigaudi | lol | 00:40 |
| derf | I would love to spend the time to make a real multi-format detector... but Google doesn't pay me to do this, unlike the zxing authors. | 00:40 |
| lcuk | look at the facial recognition software on cameras now | 00:40 |
| lcuk | they return number and locations of multiple heads | 00:41 |
| lcuk | do the same with a barcode | 00:41 |
| lcuk | even if at first it is only used for a single code | 00:41 |
| parigaudi | well, i'll start with what's readily available (i.e. one barcode at a time) and then when the megapixels are there it can still be extended | 00:42 |
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| lcuk | the barcode scan routine that the screenshot above shows merely finds patterns like barcodes - it checks all lines but might find multiple patterns | 00:43 |
| lcuk | its not any slower | 00:43 |
| lcuk | you still need to check the whole picture anyway | 00:43 |
| zek152 | A question about the nokia n810, The reviews mentioned taht the GPS didnt work well. Has that been patched or is that still an issue? | 00:43 |
| lcuk | yes, they adjusted the orbits of the satellites to be a little closer | 00:44 |
| lcuk | lock times have improved | 00:44 |
| parigaudi | and it's also a question very much dependent on the gps chipset | 00:44 |
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| parigaudi | i hope they put a sirfIII in the new device | 00:44 |
| lcuk | anyway, vanishing, bbiab | 00:45 |
| zek152 | parigaudi, are there different gps chips in the n810 ? | 00:45 |
| parigaudi | zek152: i don't know what gps chip(set) they put in there. | 00:46 |
| parigaudi | zek152: but only one | 00:46 |
| Jaffa | Old, NSFW and UK centric: http://www.backingblair.co.uk/london_underground/ | 00:46 |
| nomis | zek152: AFAIK the n810 uses some component more-or-less already integrated in the CPU core. | 00:46 |
| zek152 | parigaudi, ok thats what i thought. I believe that it is a TI chip. I saw the specific chip somewhere | 00:47 |
| zek152 | What are typical fix times? | 00:47 |
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| jophish | gar, 1.0.0.0 is back again | 00:48 |
| jophish | and now stuck waiting for headers | 00:48 |
| jophish | isn't this magical | 00:48 |
| parigaudi | didn't use the gps much, so i can't really tell about times | 00:48 |
| parigaudi | last time i had the impression it just wouldn't lock and then i put the n810 closer to the windshield front and a couples sec later it had locked | 00:49 |
| parigaudi | so i really don't know | 00:49 |
| Proteous | zek152: typical fix times are 30 sec to never | 00:50 |
| Proteous | depending on sat visability | 00:50 |
| zek152 | ok. well never is a long time lol | 00:50 |
| ShadowJK | mine's about 20 sec in my car | 00:50 |
| Proteous | but normaly in a non moving outside position around 1 min or so | 00:51 |
| Proteous | YMMV | 00:51 |
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| jophish | has anyone had a problem with apt-get update on maemo? | 00:52 |
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| Stskeeps | plenty? ;) | 00:52 |
| jophish | hanging on "waiting for headers" | 00:52 |
| zek152 | Also, second thing. Are there vpn clients that you can install on the n810? I want to use this at a university that uses airlink | 00:52 |
| Stskeeps | zek152: vpnc exists | 00:52 |
| parigaudi | there's an openvpn applet too | 00:52 |
| parigaudi | didn't try it tho | 00:53 |
| parigaudi | but i plan to | 00:53 |
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| zek152 | I dont know much about vpn but i thought that there were different protocols. Should it work with all? (I am at purdue university in case someone here is too) | 00:53 |
| parigaudi | indeed lots of very different protocols | 00:55 |
| zek152 | http://www.itap.purdue.edu/airlink/info/about.cfm Thats the page about the wireless network | 00:55 |
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| parigaudi | they don't tell you WHAT KIND of vpn it is | 00:56 |
| parigaudi | least not on that page | 00:57 |
| jeremiah | Stskeeps: hmmm. All I see is a blue arrow icon and a red X | 00:57 |
| jeremiah | Where is the folder icon? | 00:57 |
| florian | hi all | 01:02 |
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| jophish | hmm, cant seem to connect to http://repository.maemo.org/extras/dists/diablo/free/binary-armel/Packages.gz | 01:04 |
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| jophish | hurrah! typing this from maemo | 01:26 |
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| jeremiah | jophish: Yeah, there have been some outages recently. | 01:35 |
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| jaem_N810 | hey folks | 01:38 |
| jaem_N810 | I rebooted my N810 last night (which is cloned to a card), and it kept crashing and rebooting at the Creepy Hands (TM) screen | 01:38 |
| jaem_N810 | after a few times, it hung just before the bootmenu prompt, and said "TEST" in large green letters at the bottom | 01:39 |
| jaem_N810 | pulling the battery made it boot again, but is that something I should be concerned about? | 01:40 |
| wiza | anyone here who has some skills with iptables? | 01:41 |
| wiza | I'm having problem with traffic going to wrong interface | 01:42 |
| wiza | it's going to eth2 and it should be going to eth0 | 01:42 |
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| Proteous | LOL @ Creepy Hands | 01:50 |
| Proteous | I've messed with iptables a little | 01:50 |
| Proteous | although it's been a while | 01:50 |
| jaem_N810 | Proteous: I believe there was a discussion on ItT a while back when someone mentioned animated splash code committed ;) | 01:50 |
| Proteous | heh | 01:51 |
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| Proteous | OMG finaly got my shipping confirmation email from nokia | 02:46 |
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| ds3 | how long do people's battery last? (not run time, but time before battery capacity is noticeably decreased) | 02:58 |
| Luke-Jr | in practice, about 2 hours | 02:58 |
| Luke-Jr | in theory, I hear a month idle | 02:58 |
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| Luke-Jr | oh, I get your parenthesis part now, nm | 02:59 |
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| jaem_N810 | ds3: I've used my battery since mid-September last year, and it's still just fine, if that helps | 03:04 |
| jaem_N810 | it depends on your usage patterns | 03:05 |
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| Macer | lol | 03:09 |
| Macer | Mac OS X will be available in September with an upgrade price of $29, a big notch less expensive than the $129 price of earlier upgrades. | 03:09 |
| Macer | just goes to show how much work they did on it | 03:09 |
| Macer | all they did was just build 64bit apps and tack the word "snow" onto the name of it | 03:09 |
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| xnt14 | hello world ! :) | 03:10 |
| tank-man | is it really $29 | 03:10 |
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| xnt14 | tank-man: what? | 03:10 |
| derf | That depends on how well written those apps are. Just look at how long it took Adobe to build a 64-bit Flash. | 03:10 |
| tank-man | future mac os x upgrade | 03:11 |
| derf | Commercial code is notoriously horrible. | 03:11 |
| * xnt14 backs up his nit root partition | 03:11 | |
| xnt14 | oh ok | 03:11 |
| xnt14 | snow leo? | 03:11 |
| tank-man | yes | 03:11 |
| xnt14 | oh ok :P | 03:11 |
| * xnt14 will just get his mbp after snow leo comes out :P | 03:11 | |
| ds3 | hmmm | 03:12 |
| xnt14 | guys, is it possible to make a hw button run a script? | 03:12 |
| xnt14 | ~seen qwerty12 | 03:13 |
| infobot | qwerty12 <n=faheem@78-86-35-231.zone2.bethere.co.uk> was last seen on IRC in channel #maemo, 6h 52m 42s ago, saying: 'wazd_: It was nice knowin..eek..'. | 03:13 |
| ds3 | jaem_N810:do you keep it on the charger a lot? | 03:13 |
| xnt14 | not here right now... | 03:13 |
| xnt14 | well he would know | 03:13 |
| xnt14 | qwerty12 = master of scripting :P | 03:13 |
| xnt14 | for the nit | 03:13 |
| ds3 | I am seeing odd behavior where it goes down to about 50% of the bar then all of a sudden I get a low battery warning...trying to figure out if my battery is too old (it is coming up on 1.5 years now) | 03:14 |
| xnt14 | ds3: are you talking about the mbp or nit? | 03:14 |
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| LiraNuna | <ds3> jaem_N810:do you keep it on the charger a lot? | 03:16 |
| LiraNuna | is it a bad practice? | 03:16 |
| Macer | heh | 03:17 |
| tank-man | yea, it wastes energy, it says so on the screen. global warming and stuff | 03:18 |
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| xnt14 | :P | 03:18 |
| xnt14 | lol | 03:18 |
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| tank-man | "An engineer from Nokia's UK research labs says that the company is developing technology that can harvest ambient electromagnetic radiation to keep a cellphone going. " | 03:22 |
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| tank-man | ambient, that means free right? :) | 03:23 |
| lcuk | yes, your phone will become an EM sink | 03:25 |
| xnt14 | lol | 03:25 |
| xnt14 | wireless electricity | 03:25 |
| xnt14 | next thing you know, we'll have wpa2 for wi-em | 03:26 |
| xnt14 | :P | 03:26 |
| xnt14 | * "wi-em" | 03:26 |
| Macer | lol | 03:26 |
| Macer | 10 Jun 19:26:03 ntpdate[15321]: step time server 198.123.30.132 offset -18299.368555 sec | 03:26 |
| Macer | oops | 03:26 |
| jaem_N810 | ds3: sorry, I was afk | 03:27 |
| jaem_N810 | I keep it on the charger when I'm in bed or at my desk | 03:27 |
| ds3 | xnt14: mbp? whats that? | 03:27 |
| jaem_N810 | but I carry it around quite literally everywhere except the shower | 03:27 |
| xnt14 | ds3: nevermind, I don't want to start a flamewar, GA would kill me :P | 03:27 |
| ds3 | xnt14: stock OS2008 N800 if it matters | 03:28 |
| jaem_N810 | xnt14: I think powerlaunch may be able to do that (the hw button thing) | 03:28 |
| xnt14 | :) | 03:28 |
| ds3 | jaem_N810: my charge pattern is a bit different then. I only charge it at night but I carry it around | 03:28 |
| * xnt14 is waiting for his current os2008 to backup so he can reflash to stock | 03:29 | |
| ds3 | maybe 1.5years has the battery worn | 03:29 |
| Luke-Jr | pfft, stock | 03:29 |
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| Luke-Jr | who is pmoulder? | 03:33 |
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| xnt14 | im back | 03:56 |
| xnt14 | fun with ascii art: http://xceleo.com/maemoorg | 03:57 |
| xnt14 | :P | 03:57 |
| xnt14 | ascii gen ftw | 03:57 |
| xnt14 | :P | 03:57 |
| Luke-Jr | xnt14: fail | 03:57 |
| xnt14 | lol | 03:57 |
| xnt14 | :P | 03:57 |
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| xnt14 | brb | 04:00 |
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| mib_a1mbjc | Is there anybody who know maemo inputMethod? | 04:05 |
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| mib_a1mbjc | I would like to ask several questions | 04:07 |
| pupnik | always dicey, here | 04:11 |
| pupnik | try the mailing list | 04:11 |
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| mib_a1mbjc | pupnik, you are familiar with maemo input method plug-in example? | 04:18 |
| pupnik | no sry | 04:18 |
| mib_a1mbjc | Thank you | 04:19 |
| pupnik | just know some SDL input | 04:19 |
| mib_a1mbjc | OK, thank you, Where are you from? | 04:23 |
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| b-man16 | http://b-man.psykosis.net/projects/ubuntu/gallery/ -- updated my new gallery to include labeling :) | 04:32 |
| b-man16 | xnt14: !!!!! | 04:32 |
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| dick-richardson | application manager shows "failed to refresh" for everything stating a lack to localhost:3128...anyone know where that's set? | 05:14 |
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| xnt14 | dick-richardson | 06:04 |
| * xnt14 is thinking that thats bad | 06:04 | |
| xnt14 | localhost, why would it go to that | 06:04 |
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| gtb | has anyone been able to headless boot a 770? | 06:23 |
| gtb | i've been trying to make a custom firmware that starts the usb networking driver and ssh, but i can't connect to it | 06:23 |
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| mib_a1mbjc | How to write their own plug-ins so that the default input method in the menu can be seen | 06:33 |
| xnt14 | damnit b-man dropped out :P | 06:33 |
| xnt14 | just when I was about to tell him to run a command on his site | 06:33 |
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| xnt14 | ~seen b-man | 06:34 |
| infobot | b-man <n=b-man@pool-71-124-32-204.chi01.dsl-w.verizon.net> was last seen on IRC in channel #maemo, 20d 4h 22m 23s ago, saying: 'wtf'. | 06:34 |
| xnt14 | ~seen b-man16 | 06:34 |
| infobot | b-man16 is currently on #maemo (4s), last said: 'xnt14: !!!!!'. | 06:34 |
| xnt14 | ]lol | 06:34 |
| b-man16 | i'm here | 06:34 |
| xnt14 | :) | 06:34 |
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| b-man16 | wohooooooo!!!!! i have a new, massive domain XD http://b-man.xceleo.org/ | 06:45 |
| b-man16 | 50GB/month | 06:45 |
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| b-man16 | thanks to xnt14 :) | 06:46 |
| man_in_shack | WOW that'a a massively awesome website you've got | 06:50 |
| man_in_shack | btw, you spelt "</style>" wrong | 06:50 |
| b-man16 | in index.html? | 06:51 |
| man_in_shack | yes | 06:51 |
| b-man16 | blame xnt XD | 06:51 |
| b-man16 | he set it up | 06:52 |
| b-man16 | XD | 06:52 |
| xnt14 | man_in_shack, yup, thats why the first <body> disappeared | 06:53 |
| xnt14 | thank for the help :P | 06:53 |
| xnt14 | XD | 06:53 |
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| b-man16 | man_in_shack: http://b-man.psykosis.net/projects/ubuntu/gallery | 06:55 |
| b-man16 | :) | 06:55 |
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| b-man16 | designed by me :) | 06:55 |
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| pferrill | anybody know why I keep getting a fatal error trying to install the latest SDK+ using the python script? | 07:11 |
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| pferrill | error says | 07:11 |
| pferrill | Giving up, because failed to : echo -e 'Yes\n' | maemo-tools --mirror http://ftp.fi.debian.org/debian/ install lenny-2009-1 | 07:12 |
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| Macer | i'm watching the universe | 07:13 |
| Macer | talking about venus and mercury | 07:13 |
| Macer | finally. a volcanologist gets to do something productive | 07:14 |
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| madman587587 | anyone online? | 08:31 |
| madman587587 | i have a motorola v3x and i just got HSPA wireless, is there any way i can connect them via bluetooth or usb cable, thx | 08:32 |
| madman587587 | ? | 08:33 |
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| madman587587 | i have a motorola v3x and i just got HSPA wireless, is there any way i can connect them via bluetooth or usb cable, thx | 08:43 |
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| CutMeOwnThroat | ECHO...ECHo...ECho...Echo...echo...cho...ho...o...... | 08:48 |
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| thux | morning | 08:48 |
| CutMeOwnThroat | when people start coming in saying morning, it must be approaching bedtime | 08:49 |
| thux | gmt +2 here or it could be +3 now in summertime | 08:53 |
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| ShadowJK | madman: the wizard from control panel doesn't work? | 08:56 |
| ShadowJK | ds3: my n810 battery is about a year and as new | 08:56 |
| ShadowJK | my n800 was second hand and the battery does approximately what you described | 08:57 |
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| ShadowJK | the charge meter assumes full capacity is still there, and gets a bit surprised when it isn't, and counts down the battery bars quickly | 08:58 |
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| ShadowJK | mind, even with brand new battery the meter shows 4/4 bars until half-empty :) | 08:59 |
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| mib_a1mbjc | How to add a widget to the input method plug-ins? | 09:46 |
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| mib_a1mbjc | Some people know? | 09:47 |
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| mib_a1mbjc | is there anybody who know how to add my own widget to the input method plug-ins? | 10:00 |
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| X-Fade | Morning | 10:20 |
| Stskeeps | morning x-fade | 10:20 |
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| RST38h | !!!!!! FIXED | 10:26 |
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| Stskeeps | mm? | 10:28 |
| derf | http://icanhascheezburger.files.wordpress.com/2008/08/funny-pictures-cat-wonders-if-he-is-broken.jpg | 10:28 |
| RST38h | Sts: I have been tracking a bug for the last 4-5 days | 10:29 |
| RST38h | Finally found it | 10:29 |
| RST38h | It is an epic-fail type bug too | 10:30 |
| Stskeeps | ah, that kind of feeling | 10:30 |
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| Macer | blah | 10:32 |
| Macer | could only find the disney ultimate collection as dvd | 10:32 |
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| RST38h | Macer: Now, THAT is a sure sign of degradation =) | 10:43 |
| * RST38h bets Macer will switch to watching Scooby Doo in no time now =) | 10:43 | |
| Macer | degredation? | 10:44 |
| Macer | :-P | 10:44 |
| Macer | it's for my son | 10:44 |
| RST38h | Ah :) | 10:45 |
| Macer | i mean don't get me wrong. i don't mind watching disney cartoons :) | 10:45 |
| Macer | better than watching that noggin type shit | 10:45 |
| RST38h | Not that, but watching the whole thing in a row is kinda sick =) | 10:45 |
| Macer | like wonder pets and little bear and that other shit that is just seriously way too goodie type shit | 10:45 |
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| Macer | that "we're all friends and should work together" bullshit | 10:45 |
| RST38h | Ah, the bears... | 10:46 |
| Macer | yeah. those types of cartoons are entertaining to small children because they don't know any better | 10:46 |
| Macer | they just like the colors and don't realize the crap it's trying to teach them :) | 10:46 |
| Macer | lies! | 10:46 |
| Macer | haha | 10:46 |
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| RST38h | That is not crap, it is called social conditioning =) | 10:50 |
| RST38h | Macer: read a blog post once by some guy who took his 14 year old daughter to the window at night, pointed to the lights and said | 10:52 |
| RST38h | Macer: "See, there are 15 million people behind that window, probably about 2 mils in the visible part | 10:52 |
| RST38h | Macer: ...and guess what? None of these people give a damn about you." | 10:53 |
| RST38h | social conditioning. | 10:53 |
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| Macer | disney cartoons are a little more real | 11:00 |
| Macer | tinkerbell is a total bitch | 11:00 |
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| RST38h | heh | 11:02 |
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| Macer | so is peter pan another banned cartoon for it's vulgar intepretation of native americans? :) | 11:04 |
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| RST38h | Macer: That is really nothing in comparison to this: http://www.rediff.com/news/2003/jan/08lord.htm | 11:08 |
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| Macer | lol | 11:14 |
| Macer | i'm watching dinosaur | 11:14 |
| Macer | where disney teaches children that primates and dinosaurs were around at the same time :) | 11:14 |
| ds3 | cant contest that statement as spoken | 11:16 |
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| ds3 | now if they said both ofthem are ALIVE.... dinosaurs and humans are around at the same time... just that the dinosaurs are fossils :D | 11:16 |
| Macer | heh | 11:17 |
| Macer | no disney shows that monkeys will take care of lost dinosaur babies | 11:17 |
| ds3 | as long as they are lost FOSSIL dinosaurs.... | 11:17 |
| Macer | nope | 11:18 |
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| Macer | they are live dinosaurs in giant herds with monkeys around :) | 11:19 |
| Macer | science at its best.. thank you disney! | 11:19 |
| ds3 | hehe | 11:19 |
| ds3 | There was Jurassic park... | 11:19 |
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| Macer | i think this is supposed to be an "in the past" type of movie | 11:20 |
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| Macer | at least they got the giant impact thing right :) | 11:25 |
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| RST38h | Macer <-- taking Disney too seriously | 11:27 |
| Macer | hahah well damn | 11:27 |
| Macer | they could at least get the eras correct | 11:27 |
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| Macer | i mean dinosaurs and monkeys? | 11:27 |
| RST38h | Macer: I think you should watch Kill Bill and count problems there instead =) | 11:28 |
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| Macer | you mean mob boss caine? :) | 11:28 |
| Macer | it's like if you took his kung fu character and turned him into a mafia boss haha | 11:28 |
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| lbt | jeremiah: #mer.... chatting about gtk packaging and conflicts and scary things | 12:32 |
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| zetheroo | I have the N810 and its usually connected to my wireless network ... however it seems the file manager has a hard time showing the shared folders available on the network ... sometimes they are there and other times there is no browsable network at all ... | 14:11 |
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| xnt14 | ~seen b-man16 | 14:35 |
| infobot | b-man16 is currently on #maemo (8h 1m 20s). Has said a total of 11 messages. Is idling for 7h 39m 51s, last said: 'designed by me :)'. | 14:35 |
| xnt14 | :P | 14:35 |
| pupnik | lard<tab>... :( | 14:39 |
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| pupnik | E: Couldn't find package gdb | 14:47 |
| woglinde | hehe | 14:47 |
| pupnik | extras-devel? | 14:49 |
| pupnik | what has it? | 14:49 |
| X-Fade | pupnik: probably sdk/tools ? | 14:51 |
| pupnik | need it on tablet dont have pc | 14:51 |
| pupnik | hard to think | 14:51 |
| X-Fade | pupnik: http://repository.maemo.org/pool/maemo4.1.2/free/g/gdb/ | 14:52 |
| woglinde | hi x-fade | 14:52 |
| pupnik | ty | 14:52 |
| zetheroo | I have the N810 and its usually connected to my wireless network ... however it seems the file manager has a hard time showing the shared folders available on the network ... sometimes they are there and other times there is no browsable network at all ... | 14:53 |
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| pupnik | zetheroo, does the tree have huge subdirs (many files)? | 14:56 |
| pupnik | one insane thing is hildon file dialogs scanning subdirs | 14:57 |
| pupnik | BAD NOKIA, NO BISCUIT | 14:57 |
| murrayc | one insane thing is hildon file dialogs. | 14:57 |
| pupnik | yes, sometimes i need to see more than 20 chars of a filename | 14:58 |
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| Stskeeps | murrayc: any progress on thumb kbd or HIM hardwiring yet btw? | 14:59 |
| murrayc | No. It's blocking on something unrelated yet annoying. | 14:59 |
| Stskeeps | k | 14:59 |
| murrayc | Soonish, hopefully. | 14:59 |
| pupnik | another 'fun' thing is being sllowed to r/w MyDocs, but not / or even /home/user | 14:59 |
| pupnik | which is ok for consumers | 15:00 |
| pupnik | but should be disablable | 15:00 |
| RST38h | pupnik: oh yes there is a bug for that | 15:00 |
| pupnik | k | 15:01 |
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| pupnik | a nice project for a gtk coder | 15:01 |
| pupnik | well, except that it gets outdated by os upgrade | 15:02 |
| Stskeeps | os upgrade? diablo upgrade? forget about it :P | 15:03 |
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| RST38h | Branch-if-Less-Than? | 15:09 |
| lcuk_the_grey | yeah, it was just in with my chips | 15:10 |
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| RST38h | last.fm cofounders quit | 15:11 |
| lcuk_the_grey | does that mean we are gonna see a rival service "final.fm" | 15:12 |
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| abhilash1 | can augmented reality done with just knowing c++??coz i read java is essential | 15:14 |
| thopiekar | does anyone know how to fix my build? https://garage.maemo.org/builder/diablo/cracklib2_2.8.13-7maemo2/ | 15:15 |
| thopiekar | works on my own sb1.. | 15:15 |
| thux | what is cracklib2? | 15:16 |
| abhilash1 | basically i want to use flaretoolkit and i c++ to work on qugmented reality, is this possible?? | 15:16 |
| RST38h | abhilash1: I have heard certain controlled substances are necessary to properly augment one's reality | 15:17 |
| abhilash1 | < RST38h> yes i read certian things, even went through some papers, but they've implemted using java and flash using flare toolkit | 15:18 |
| abhilash1 | basically i kust know c,c++ and bit python, so wanted to knpw can this concept donr using c++ | 15:19 |
| RST38h | Hm | 15:19 |
| RST38h | ok, let us play along for now | 15:19 |
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| RST38h | abhilash1: Yes, it can. | 15:20 |
| abhilash1 | < RST38h> oh hurray, then where can i get info?? | 15:20 |
| thopiekar | cracklib2 is needed for vsftpd.. maybe someone would need this ftp-server running on his device.. | 15:20 |
| RST38h | abhilash1: google? | 15:20 |
| abhilash1 | ya i did, went to some blogs n stuff, there only i got this irssi channel:) so came here | 15:21 |
| lcuk_the_grey | thopiekar, you are referencing an external stylesheet for your xml portion, and the autobuilder cant find it | 15:21 |
| RST38h | abhilash1: http://www.google.com/search?source=ig&hl=en&rlz=&=&q=augmented+reality+c%2B%2B&btnG=Google+Search&aq=f&oq= | 15:21 |
| tank-man | what does that mean? augmented reality | 15:22 |
| tank-man | sounds like doctor who episode | 15:22 |
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| thopiekar | xmlto needs internet connection.. maybe the extras builder hasn't it in its chroot.. I had to configure my sb1.. | 15:22 |
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| X-Fade | thopiekar: There is no outside access for the autobuilder. You need to provide everything that is needed to compile. | 15:23 |
| RST38h | thopiekar: what would you use xml for anyway? | 15:23 |
| thopiekar | aah k then.. | 15:23 |
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| thopiekar | the script is downloading the man-pages as xmls and converting it to normal ones.. | 15:24 |
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| abhilash1 | < tank-man>creating 3-D environment using flash and flare toolkit with bitmap image,http://www.howstuffworks.com/augmented-reality.htm | 15:24 |
| thopiekar | hi murrayc :) | 15:24 |
| abhilash1 | < tank-man>creating 3-D environment using flash and flare toolkit with bitmap image,http://www.howstuffworks.com/augmented-reality.htm | 15:24 |
| X-Fade | thopiekar: Man pages don't make a lot of sense on a mobile device. | 15:24 |
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| RST38h | thopiekar: You can safely skip on manpages for the tablet | 15:25 |
| tank-man | unless you want to read man pages that is | 15:26 |
| lcuk_the_grey | in which case you have to disable docpurge and other things | 15:26 |
| lcuk_the_grey | and get it through the autobuilder ;) | 15:26 |
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| thopiekar | for sure.. I could remove them then.. the debain-files are from ubuntu's sources, so I just have to make more modifications.. I just removed the python-modules before, because the needed packages "python-docutils" or other are not available on diablo.. | 15:27 |
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| abhilash1 | exit | 15:29 |
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| X-Fade | thopiekar: yeah, on a desktop it doesn't matter that it pulls in a lot of deps. On the device, your rootfs fills up quickly ;) | 15:32 |
| thopiekar | yes :P | 15:32 |
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| X-Fade | Ask lbt what happened when he pulled in qt on the developer devices. (and about a complete ubuntu install) :) | 15:33 |
| lcuk_the_grey | X-Fade, is everything running normally again now and i can create a ouple of garage projects? | 15:36 |
| X-Fade | lcuk_the_grey: Sure, go ahead. | 15:36 |
| lcuk_the_grey | :D wicked ill make them later - its not practical to have 2 live versions of the same project going is it - ie liqbase classic and liqbase-playground, but both in the same garage head | 15:37 |
| X-Fade | lcuk_the_grey: Why not create multiple heads then? | 15:38 |
| zetheroo | pupnik: sorry I had to run out ... you asked about the tree having huge subdir .. I don't really know what you mean by that | 15:38 |
| X-Fade | lcuk_the_grey: https://git.maemo.org/projects//gitweb?p=qemu;a=heads | 15:38 |
| pupnik | i was just guessing | 15:38 |
| lcuk_the_grey | well the source and released version of liqbase is nice and stable and happy and serves at least me as the core featureset required for playground, but if i just start making new playground using the same project, people will download expecting it to be a direct upgrade | 15:39 |
| pupnik | perhaps the mount point has subdirectories containing many files | 15:39 |
| lcuk_the_grey | and has a different featureset | 15:39 |
| pupnik | call it playsky | 15:39 |
| zetheroo | pupnik: its just that sometimes the network option is in the tree and then sometimes its not | 15:40 |
| andre__ | zetheroo, sounds a bit like https://bugs.maemo.org/show_bug.cgi?id=3804 maybe | 15:40 |
| pupnik | oh | 15:40 |
| zetheroo | pupnik: is there a better browser for networks | 15:40 |
| andre__ | it's definitely buggy, yeah | 15:40 |
| pupnik | xterm | 15:40 |
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| zetheroo | so xterm is a file browser? | 15:42 |
| pupnik | the ls command is | 15:43 |
| zetheroo | oh this is terminal stuff ... | 15:43 |
| zetheroo | ? | 15:43 |
| andre__ | install mc :-P | 15:43 |
| andre__ | first thing i did actually... | 15:44 |
| zetheroo | I just want to be able to browse my shared folders ... pretty please ... :) | 15:44 |
| zetheroo | ok | 15:44 |
| zetheroo | what is it? .. | 15:44 |
| andre__ | a norton commander clone for the terminal | 15:44 |
| andre__ | quite popular in linux world | 15:44 |
| zetheroo | can you browse the shared folders using emelFM2? | 15:45 |
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| RST38h | andre: mc has got a slight problem | 15:47 |
| RST38h | andre: otherwise known as virtual keyboard :) | 15:47 |
| Stskeeps | it doesnt resize' | 15:48 |
| Stskeeps | ? | 15:48 |
| RST38h | emelfm2 is mysterious like a freaking sphinx | 15:48 |
| andre__ | argh. | 15:48 |
| andre__ | right. i'm too used to n810, sorry | 15:48 |
| RST38h | Sts: Resizes just fine, but there isn't much space left =) | 15:48 |
| Stskeeps | ah | 15:48 |
| andre__ | at least mc in fullscreen mode with stylus keyboard works a bit :-/ | 15:49 |
| zetheroo | so is that a "no" about emelFM2? | 15:49 |
| * pupnik gets out the banjo and plays a happy tune | 15:50 | |
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| RST38h | pupnik: what? nokia promised to fix the file selector AND the file manager? | 15:50 |
| pupnik | nice | 15:50 |
| pupnik | oh | 15:51 |
| MakeGho | any idea when the next maemo device would come out? | 15:51 |
| pupnik | 2009-2010 | 15:52 |
| pupnik | bbl | 15:52 |
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| andre__ | define "fix" | 15:53 |
| RST38h | andre: Refer to the itt thread | 15:54 |
| fiferboy | Hi lbt | 15:54 |
| andre__ | url's appreciated. i take a look at itt once per day | 15:55 |
| RST38h | andre: http://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?t=29460 | 15:55 |
| andre__ | ah. thanks. (vague topic = stuff i don't always read) | 15:56 |
| andre__ | uh. i see wrong assumptions. time to comment.... | 15:56 |
| fiferboy | Can someone shoot me the link that describes how to setup qemu for mer development | 15:57 |
| fiferboy | ? | 15:57 |
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| Stskeeps | fiferboy: define what you would need qemu for :) | 15:58 |
| fiferboy | Building Qt packages | 15:58 |
| fiferboy | Scratchbox won't link them in virtualbox | 15:58 |
| Stskeeps | so, building qt packages for arm, i presume | 15:59 |
| fiferboy | Yes | 15:59 |
| fiferboy | I think lbt uses qemu to build them | 15:59 |
| Stskeeps | right, wiki.maemo.org/Mer/Build might be one way | 15:59 |
| fiferboy | Thanks | 15:59 |
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| lopz | hola | 16:07 |
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| Stskeeps | scaringly enough i think i actually might be on nokia's side with the whole rotation debacle | 16:25 |
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| Stskeeps | rotated apps (when we have so little space) is really a different view on the same model | 16:26 |
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| * b-man16 yawns | 16:26 | |
| b-man16 | ~seen xnt14 | 16:27 |
| infobot | xnt14 is currently on #maemo (1h 53m). Has said a total of 2 messages. Is idling for 1h 51m 22s, last said: ':P'. | 16:27 |
| * b-man16 just got out of bed so... | 16:27 | |
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| RST38h | Sts: Is there a debacle? | 16:29 |
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| pupnik | gemrb (Bioware engine: Baldurs Gate 2 etc.) could use playtesters and python devs. Good project nearing playability! #gemrb on freenode. | 16:32 |
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| lbt | fiferboy: hi... yep that was the link... | 16:39 |
| fiferboy | lbt: Thanks. I got it set up. Just about to upload the source | 16:39 |
| fiferboy | Neither of my virtualbox sessions (500 MB RAM, 1 GB RAM) would link libQtWebKit.so | 16:39 |
| lbt | fingers crossed that qemu wil | 16:40 |
| fiferboy | Do you tend to build locally with OBS, or remotely? | 16:40 |
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| thangam | hello all | 16:41 |
| lbt | locally | 16:41 |
| lbt | remote is for full builds | 16:41 |
| fiferboy | Got it. | 16:41 |
| lbt | I usually set it going and then run a make and scp the .so to test | 16:42 |
| thangam | maemo is only for Nokia series or i can port Mameo to any platfrom | 16:42 |
| fiferboy | So you have to do the CLI build, rather than web interface? | 16:42 |
| Stskeeps | thangam: you would want to look at wiki.maemo.org/Mer :) | 16:42 |
| Stskeeps | thangam: what do you have in mind? | 16:42 |
| thangam | i would like to port maemo to imx31 platform | 16:43 |
| lbt | yes, I run : osc build blah armv5el qt*.dsc | 16:43 |
| thangam | i have ported DEBIAN on imx31 | 16:44 |
| Stskeeps | thangam: is this armv4, armv5, armv6? | 16:44 |
| fiferboy | lbt: I see it now, I was looking at full build before | 16:44 |
| thangam | Stskeeps: armv6 | 16:44 |
| fiferboy | Nice instructions, by the way | 16:44 |
| lbt | I am working on "OBS as SDK" too | 16:44 |
| lbt | ta | 16:44 |
| thangam | Stskeeps: i tried downloading rootfs of Maemo | 16:44 |
| Stskeeps | thangam: should be very easy then. do you have 1) X working 2) touchscreen? 3) linux kernel booting? 4) how much space do you have? | 16:45 |
| fiferboy | No, hopefully my wife doesn't mind me running a huge compile on our home machine | 16:45 |
| thangam | Stskeeps: no i am booting rootfs on USB storage | 16:45 |
| Stskeeps | thangam: alright | 16:45 |
| Stskeeps | thangam: you can definately get Mer running on it :) | 16:46 |
| lbt | heh... I bought a (build) server for £50 at the weekend | 16:46 |
| thangam | Stskeeps: i am keeping maemo rootfs on my /dev/sda1 partition | 16:46 |
| fiferboy | Are you running it headless? | 16:46 |
| Stskeeps | (Mer is a community edition of Maemo 5.0 fremantle) | 16:46 |
| lbt | woo imx31 on Mer | 16:46 |
| lbt | yes | 16:46 |
| lbt | keep it in a cupboard | 16:46 |
| lbt | WoL | 16:46 |
| fiferboy | Nice! | 16:47 |
| thangam | Stskeeps: no mer/maemo all are hanging before init process | 16:47 |
| lbt | heh... I built a special cupboard... | 16:47 |
| lbt | 4 servers in there now | 16:47 |
| fiferboy | LOL | 16:47 |
| Stskeeps | thangam: is this btw something you're doing for fun, or is it related to something commercial? | 16:47 |
| fiferboy | That's your server room | 16:47 |
| lbt | + satellite box and an extractor fan | 16:47 |
| thangam | Stskeeps: after kernel booting..init process should start | 16:47 |
| lbt | extractor fan runs in reverse | 16:47 |
| fiferboy | We have an old file server holding up our network switch in the basement | 16:47 |
| lbt | I had a rack... way too noisy | 16:47 |
| thangam | Stskeeps: If it will run ..we will make it as commericial | 16:48 |
| Stskeeps | thangam: fair enough - do you have a kernel for it that works? | 16:48 |
| fiferboy | lbt: After QWebView, is there anything that needs scrolling or scrolling changes that you know of? | 16:49 |
| thangam | Stskeeps: Meamo/mer is booting with initfs(intial ram disk image)..but we will not boot kernel with INITFS | 16:49 |
| Stskeeps | thangam: yes | 16:49 |
| Stskeeps | thangam: listen, join the channel #mer , and we can talk there :) | 16:49 |
| lbt | menus don't quite work | 16:49 |
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| Stskeeps | i'm sure we can get Mer running on it :) | 16:50 |
| fiferboy | You mean scrolling in menus or menus in general? | 16:50 |
| thangam | Stskeeps:: okay i will join there to discuss | 16:50 |
| lbt | scrolling in them | 16:51 |
| lbt | it used to work | 16:51 |
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| lbt | but now something happens and the mouse-release seems to activate | 16:51 |
| lbt | I suspect gnuton's HIM | 16:51 |
| fiferboy | Oh, scrolling in combo boxes is a little wierd like that too | 16:51 |
| fiferboy | You can scroll, but it always trys to select | 16:51 |
| lbt | yes and textarea too - it pops up the keybd | 16:51 |
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| fiferboy | Also, in combo boxes if you overshoot and the combo box closes, when you open it again it stays overshot | 16:52 |
| fiferboy | So, a few things left to fix :) | 16:52 |
| lbt | heh ... oops | 16:52 |
| fiferboy | We will just market it as "persistant overshoot" | 16:53 |
| fiferboy | It's a feature | 16:53 |
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| fiferboy | I bet even liqbase doesn't have persistant overshoot! | 16:53 |
| lbt | <grin> | 16:53 |
| lcuk_the_grey | liqbase doesnt overshoot ;) | 16:54 |
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| fiferboy | lcuk_the_grey: Really? For some reason I thought it did... | 16:54 |
| lcuk_the_grey | and when text selection is put in left/right motion will actually select text instead of screwing with your mind ;) | 16:54 |
| fiferboy | But I guess you would know better than I | 16:54 |
| fiferboy | Qt text selection is done by magic | 16:54 |
| * lcuk_the_grey uses black magic also | 16:54 | |
| lcuk_the_grey | i mentioned something lastnight that i might try and implement with scrolling text | 16:55 |
| fiferboy | Oh? | 16:55 |
| lcuk_the_grey | as you kinetically scroll, the faster you go, it zooms out a little | 16:55 |
| pupnik | swishing sounds? | 16:55 |
| lcuk_the_grey | so you see more items on page as they are going faster | 16:55 |
| pupnik | ooh kewl | 16:55 |
| lcuk_the_grey | heh pupnik thats a longterm desire | 16:56 |
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| lcuk_the_grey | book flipping or wind noises would be REALLY cool | 16:56 |
| fiferboy | You could implement a gyroscopic scroll, where the list moves perpendicularly to the direction you push it | 16:56 |
| fiferboy | That would be a novel feature | 16:56 |
| lcuk_the_grey | and couner intuitive lol | 16:56 |
| lcuk_the_grey | engage drunken mode! | 16:56 |
| fiferboy | Who said gyroscopes were intuitive? | 16:56 |
| lcuk_the_grey | inverse scrolling! | 16:57 |
| fiferboy | Drunken mode, I like it! | 16:57 |
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| lcuk_the_grey | i actually had a listbox scrolling mechanism where the speed scaler was based on X position within the grid | 16:57 |
| fiferboy | The faster you push the list, the slower it scrolls | 16:57 |
| lcuk_the_grey | on the left hand side the grid only moved at 1/2 real speed | 16:57 |
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| lcuk_the_grey | on the right it was 4x speed | 16:57 |
| lcuk_the_grey | fiferboy, that would infuriate everyone lol | 16:58 |
| fiferboy | I thought the point of programming was to infuriate end users... | 16:58 |
| fiferboy | Maybe I have been going about this wrong all along! | 16:58 |
| lcuk_the_grey | nahhh its to make their life easier and to do whats asked quickly and effectively without wasting their or your time :) | 16:59 |
| fiferboy | Oops, well that changes everything! | 16:59 |
| lcuk_the_grey | ;) heh | 16:59 |
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| fiferboy | Back to the drawing board | 16:59 |
| lcuk_the_grey | apt-get install liqbase-playground - it has a drawing board :P | 17:00 |
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| fiferboy | playground is in extras now? or extras-devel? | 17:00 |
| lcuk_the_grey | fremantle only lol and its got problems | 17:00 |
| lcuk_the_grey | i turned grey trying to make packaging work and its still not right | 17:00 |
| lcuk_the_grey | i blew up 3 devkits and havent got a scratchbox of a devenv | 17:01 |
| lcuk_the_grey | and it still wont work on my 810 | 17:01 |
| lcuk_the_grey | (where i did all dev lol) | 17:01 |
| fiferboy | Packaging seems to be something you have to start implementing before you start developing | 17:01 |
| fiferboy | Packaging a mature application always seems the hardest | 17:01 |
| lcuk_the_grey | not really, learning how it fits together is the hard part | 17:01 |
| lcuk_the_grey | kees and jeremiah got me started with it | 17:01 |
| lcuk_the_grey | but then the fiddly bits of specifics liqbase wants mess it up | 17:02 |
| RST38h | As long as you ignore the tons of glue SUGGESTED for packaging, you are ok | 17:02 |
| lcuk_the_grey | heh fifer - i was (and still am) tempted to just buy 8x0 devices and post them to poeple with liqbase on | 17:02 |
| lcuk_the_grey | i know it works | 17:02 |
| lcuk_the_grey | yes rst | 17:02 |
| fiferboy | I'll take one! | 17:02 |
| lcuk_the_grey | that got in my way | 17:02 |
| lcuk_the_grey | and ontop of that autotools is evil | 17:02 |
| RST38h | It is actually rather simple once you delete/ignore all the crap | 17:02 |
| lcuk_the_grey | heh | 17:02 |
| RST38h | Well, why are you using autotools? | 17:03 |
| lcuk_the_grey | library | 17:03 |
| RST38h | and? | 17:03 |
| lcuk_the_grey | realistically needs libtool and the other bits | 17:03 |
| RST38h | why? | 17:03 |
| lcuk_the_grey | ive done it with a handcoded makefile for now | 17:03 |
| lcuk_the_grey | which is how its even in extras at all lol | 17:03 |
| lcuk_the_grey | but for versioning and making the extras .so files expect | 17:03 |
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| * GAN800 wonders why people buying bibles are consistently the most rude and unpleasant. | 17:08 | |
| timeless_mbp | ? | 17:09 |
| GAN800 | Jesus doesn't love assholes. | 17:10 |
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| GAN800 | timeless_mbp, work. | 17:12 |
| RST38h | But assholes absolutely love Jesus | 17:12 |
| GAN800 | Apparently. | 17:13 |
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| * timeless_mbp considers a reference to today's news | 17:15 | |
| n6pfk | Where can I find xgalega for the N810? | 17:16 |
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| infobot | I herald you, my supreme master! Lead us into the light of your wisdom and power | 17:25 |
| aquatix | heh | 17:25 |
| RichiH | infobot: botsnack | 17:25 |
| infobot | RichiH: aw, gee | 17:25 |
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| RichiH | what is this talk about a N900 based on OMAP 3430 which will have GSM and UMTS? | 17:26 |
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| GAN800 | ~rx-51 | 17:28 |
| infobot | i heard rx-51 is http://maemo.org/community/council/community_highlights_for_december_2008-part_i-january_2009-part_ii/ http://www.linuxdevices.com/news/NS9093153240.html | 17:28 |
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| GAN800 | Supposedly 3.5" and GSM | 17:29 |
| aquatix | (and hspa and such) | 17:29 |
| GAN800 | ofono.org related maybe | 17:29 |
| aquatix | so, supposedly quite awesome imho | 17:30 |
| GAN800 | 3.5" is going to be a ridiculously big letdown if it's not GSM. | 17:31 |
| aquatix | GAN800: hey, didn't know that project | 17:31 |
| aquatix | heh, yeah | 17:31 |
| RichiH | looks very very interesting | 17:32 |
| GAN800 | RichiH, hopefully interesting turns out to be released soon. | 17:33 |
| RichiH | aye | 17:33 |
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| RST38h | http://scp-wiki.wikidot.com/scp-322 | 17:54 |
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| fiferboy | lbt: OBS is showing the MerExtrasStable armv5el repo with an error | 17:58 |
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| lbt | url? | 17:58 |
| fiferboy | Well, when I add the repo to my project it says "expansion error: 1" under armv5el | 17:59 |
| fiferboy | I followed the "Setting up Build Repositories: WWW" from the wiki | 18:00 |
| lbt | when you mouseover the expansion error | 18:01 |
| lbt | what does it say? | 18:01 |
| fiferboy | "The build can not begin, because required packages are either missing or not explicitly defined" | 18:01 |
| fiferboy | When I click on the error and look it up | 18:02 |
| lbt | nothing provides libreadline4-dev | 18:02 |
| fiferboy | Yes | 18:02 |
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| fiferboy | When I try building my package it says that | 18:02 |
| lbt | ah | 18:03 |
| lbt | you're running maemo2 source | 18:03 |
| lbt | OK... | 18:03 |
| lbt | you need to 'fix' it | 18:03 |
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| lbt | maemo has scratchboxisms and stuff | 18:03 |
| lbt | so it depends on libreadline4-dev and not libreadline-dev | 18:03 |
| fiferboy | Oh right, I thought you commited those to the qt4 svn | 18:04 |
| lbt | and occasionally looks in /scratchbox/ for code | 18:04 |
| lbt | no, they'r Mer/sane fixes | 18:04 |
| lbt | not Qt/Hildon | 18:04 |
| lbt | ;) | 18:04 |
| fiferboy | Ah | 18:04 |
| lbt | so I keep them in Mer/patches as packaging fixes | 18:04 |
| lbt | http://people.debian.org/~madduck/talks/vcs-pkg_debconf8_2008.08.11/workflow.png | 18:05 |
| lbt | bbiab | 18:05 |
| suihkulokki | lbt: I think that's a wee bit complicated scheme | 18:06 |
| Stskeeps | interesting reactions from danish bloggers about iphone 3g S .. "i had hoped for sw updates and not speed" "i had hoped for something more than just a 3g with some more speed" "i had really hoped for fm radio" | 18:06 |
| Stskeeps | and "more mpixel!" | 18:06 |
| Stskeeps | :P | 18:07 |
| Stskeeps | nokia might actually have a shot, heh :) | 18:07 |
| RST38h | none of them want it pink? | 18:09 |
| VDVsx | seriously, the iphone is a cool device, but the things that apple announced like big innovations, are in majority of the cellphones for ages | 18:09 |
| VDVsx | video recording, woooooooo, lol | 18:09 |
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| RST38h | VDVsx: this does not really matter for the true adepts of the cult | 18:09 |
| xnt15 | helloworld :P | 18:09 |
| wazd | iPhone 3G ass :) | 18:09 |
| VDVsx | RST38h, true | 18:09 |
| RST38h | VDVsx: not offered by apple == does not exist | 18:09 |
| RST38h | == nobody needs it too | 18:09 |
| wazd | Well, don't be so proud, I think nokia is going to the "you don't need this" way too :) | 18:10 |
| VDVsx | RST38h, lol, but the media help a lot passing this impression | 18:10 |
| wazd | Quim already told you that you don't need to navigate trhu 1000 files | 18:11 |
| VDVsx | wazd, ehehe | 18:11 |
| thangam | README alsa-utils atd autofs bootclean bootlogd bootmisc.sh checkfs.sh checkroot.sh console-screen.sh cron dbus glibc.sh hal halt hostname.sh hwclock.sh hwclockfirst.sh keymap killprocs klogd loopback lxnm module-init-tools mountall-bootclean.sh mountall.sh mountdevsubfs.sh mountkernfs.sh mountnfs-bootclean.sh mountoverflowtmp mtab.sh networking pcmciautils p | 18:11 |
| wazd | Next time you'll not need some more useless stuff like switchable browser engile or swappable battery :D | 18:12 |
| Stskeeps | thangam: thanks | 18:12 |
| Stskeeps | yeah, it's obviously not there | 18:12 |
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| n6pfk | ls -l q2 | 18:14 |
| b-man16 | lol, i now have a copy of palm's webos http://b-man.xceleo.org/site/files/palm-webos/webosdoctorp100ewwsprint.jar | 18:15 |
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| Stskeeps | b-man16: publically logged channel, possibly copyright software .. hint | 18:15 |
| Stskeeps | :P | 18:15 |
| lbt | suihkulokki: not really... but it does look it | 18:16 |
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| lcuk_the_grey | shouldnt a webos be available for download from the web? | 18:17 |
| b-man16 | it's only going to be there temporarily | 18:17 |
| lcuk_the_grey | if i havent got a webos how can i open a webpage | 18:18 |
| Stskeeps | b-man16: yeah.. copyright people usually don't care about that :P | 18:18 |
| lcuk_the_grey | Stskeeps, heh, he might have a poorly pre | 18:18 |
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| b-man16 | <repost>it's only going to be there temporarily | 18:20 |
| Stskeeps | *shrug* :P | 18:20 |
| * Stskeeps doesn't personally care but does know of scenarios where the past came to haunt one :) | 18:20 | |
| b-man16 | poorly pre? | 18:20 |
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| fiferboy | lbt: How hard is it to fix the scratchboxisms? | 18:24 |
| lbt | see my diff | 18:24 |
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| lbt | ah, no | 18:25 |
| fiferboy | Which diff is that? | 18:25 |
| lbt | you can't | 18:25 |
| lbt | which is why I'm beating myself senseless doing vcs/packaging | 18:25 |
| lbt | so I could say "this diff" | 18:25 |
| * b-man16 takes down http://b-man.xceleo.org/site/files/palm-webos/webosdoctorp100ewwsprint.jar | 18:25 | |
| b-man16 | happ? XD | 18:25 |
| b-man16 | *happy | 18:25 |
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| palmos_bot | b-man16 noted | 18:28 |
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| b-man16 | lol | 18:28 |
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| b-man16 | hi qwerty13 | 18:30 |
| lbt | fiferboy: best for now is to look here https://build.opensuse.org/package/show?package=qt4-x11&project=Maemo%3AMer%3ADevel%3AQt | 18:31 |
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| lbt | get the qt4-x11_4.5.0-1maemo1mer2.diff.gz | 18:31 |
| lbt | and look at stuff in configure + debian | 18:31 |
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| qwerty12 | hi b-man16 | 18:32 |
| fiferboy | lbt: If I do a local build of that project (not sure if that is possible) would I be able to make changes locally and recompile? | 18:33 |
| lbt | yes | 18:33 |
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| lbt | the best thing to do for you | 18:33 |
| fiferboy | So I have to check that project out locally, correct? | 18:33 |
| lbt | is probably osc co Maemo:Mer:Devel:Qt/qt4-x11 | 18:33 |
| * b-man16 runs /whois on palmos_bot... XD | 18:33 | |
| lbt | then osc build .... | 18:33 |
| fiferboy | Do I need to edit any config files or set anything up in web interface? | 18:34 |
| fiferboy | Gotcha | 18:34 |
| lbt | no | 18:34 |
| lbt | 100% CLI | 18:34 |
| lbt | "just works" | 18:34 |
| fiferboy | That is the best way! | 18:34 |
| lbt | I also find that mount --bind is good | 18:34 |
| fiferboy | Does it have the latest fingerscrolling in it? | 18:34 |
| lbt | no | 18:34 |
| fiferboy | That's not a problem. | 18:34 |
| lbt | I am being dragged pillar to post ;) | 18:35 |
| lbt | want to see gnuton's commit to gitorious | 18:35 |
| fiferboy | Has he made it yet? | 18:35 |
| lbt | then apply our latest patches (squashed probably) | 18:35 |
| lbt | not AFAIK | 18:35 |
| fiferboy | I'll send you my (small) fix to FingerScrollBars | 18:35 |
| lbt | ok | 18:37 |
| lbt | I'll apply these to the Mer Qt anyway | 18:37 |
| fiferboy | What repo do I build that project with? | 18:38 |
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| fiferboy | MerDevel_Ubuntu_9.04? | 18:39 |
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| dijenerate | hi all | 18:39 |
| fiferboy | Yes, it is working! | 18:39 |
| dijenerate | I'm looking to build maemo on x86 | 18:40 |
| dijenerate | can anyone tell me if it has already been done with Maemo 5 and if so where can I find more info? | 18:41 |
| Stskeeps | you want to build applications for maemo using x86, or use maemo on x86? | 18:41 |
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| dijenerate | I want to use Maemo on x86 | 18:43 |
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| dijenerate | 5 specifically if licenses permit | 18:43 |
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| Stskeeps | right, i'm not sure if it's allowed beyond personal use for maemo5 (3d effects, libraries, themes, etc). if you're interested in maemo 5.0 apis on x86 & other devices not exclusively nokia tablets, look into http://wiki.maemo.org/Mer | 18:48 |
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| Stskeeps | (look at the releases pages for screenshots, not About) | 18:49 |
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| dijenerate | thanks | 18:54 |
| Jaffa | Stskeeps: we should update the About page with some really stunning current screenshots, and then have a "more screenshots are on the release pages" | 18:56 |
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| Stskeeps | Jaffa: yeah.. i'll add to backlog | 18:56 |
| Jaffa | Stskeeps: ta | 18:57 |
| GAN800 | Stskeeps, that purple blob has got to go. | 19:00 |
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| Stskeeps | GAN800: oh, i agree - reason why it's like this is a theming engine error | 19:01 |
| Stskeeps | :P | 19:01 |
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| fiferboy | lbt: That build asks me for a password. My OBS password did not work | 19:08 |
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| lbt | root passwd | 19:08 |
| lbt | it wants to chroot | 19:08 |
| fiferboy | Ah, got it. | 19:08 |
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| fiferboy | After I entered the password it said "su: Authentication failure" so I should have guessed | 19:09 |
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| lbt | hmm, used to be in setup... | 19:10 |
| fiferboy | Hmm, still gives me an auth failure. Maybe because Ubuntu doesn't use su? | 19:10 |
| fiferboy | Yes, just running 'su' in Ubuntu gives the same error | 19:10 |
| mgedmin | ubuntu doesn't set a root password by default, so su can't possibly work | 19:11 |
| lbt | try /etc/sudoers? | 19:11 |
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| lbt | ubuntu is..... different..... sometimes ;) | 19:11 |
| fiferboy | Yes, quite different in some ways | 19:11 |
| thopiekar | isn't "su", as I know from opensuse, the same as "sudo -s" in ubuntu? | 19:12 |
| mgedmin | yes, but su asks for the root password, while sudo -s asks for your password | 19:13 |
| * b-man16 discovers that Palm Pre's WebOS is ipkg-based.... AWESOME!!! | 19:13 | |
| b-man16 | http://icculus.org/~joshua/prefiles.txt | 19:14 |
| Corsac | yup, open-embbeded based | 19:15 |
| b-man16 | indeed - i can't wait to hack it XD | 19:16 |
| Stskeeps | b-man16: i doubt you'll be able to hack it, probably signed firmwares :P | 19:16 |
| b-man16 | nope | 19:16 |
| b-man16 | just a jar archive | 19:17 |
| Stskeeps | yeah, but you probably can't access that tree through flashing | 19:17 |
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| Stskeeps | but we'll see if it's tivoized | 19:17 |
| b-man16 | the rootfs is stored in a tar.gz file | 19:18 |
| b-man16 | and i can acsess it with jar -x | 19:18 |
| b-man16 | the rootfs size is 193mb | 19:18 |
| b-man16 | if it's tivoized, i'll figure it out ;) | 19:19 |
| Stskeeps | yeah, okay, it does seem like it's hackable.. | 19:20 |
| b-man16 | and btw, someone is establishing a wiki for it ;) | 19:20 |
| Stskeeps | you have one, or not? :P | 19:21 |
| Stskeeps | either way, it'd just be a neat proof of concept | 19:21 |
| b-man16 | nope, but i can figure out how to use it with qemu ;) | 19:21 |
| b-man16 | it's armv7 - so technicly it could run on the n900 ;) | 19:22 |
| Stskeeps | i was more thinking in lines of having a sane os on it | 19:23 |
| Stskeeps | heh | 19:23 |
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| b-man16 | ah, yeah, heh | 19:24 |
| * b-man16 also notices that the base system functions use java | 19:26 | |
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| b-man16 | heh, it's like a mix of Angstrom and Android - except i dont (think) it is using a highly modified kernel | 19:27 |
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| n6pfk | Does anyone know where I can find xgalega that runs on the N810? | 20:11 |
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| fiferboy | lbt: After I get the deb to start building (generate all the makefiles and configure) how do I rebuild a specific .so after makeing changes? | 20:23 |
| fiferboy | You said something about mount --bind? | 20:24 |
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| * Stskeeps kinda likes the huge activity in Community forum. | 20:27 | |
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| VDVsx | andre__, ping | 20:37 |
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| RST38h | moo all | 20:39 |
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| lbt | fiferboy: http://wiki.maemo.org/Mer/Build/Application_Building#Local_Builds | 20:46 |
| lbt | sudo chroot /scratch3/maemo/Mer/obs/build-MerExtrasStable_MerStable_Ubuntu_9.04-armv5el-merpad/ su abuild | 20:47 |
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| lbt | cd /usr/src/packages/BUILD | 20:47 |
| fiferboy | Excellent. Thanks! | 20:47 |
| lbt | cd src/3rdparty/webkit/ ; make | 20:48 |
| lbt | nb... once you've messed about you *can* do | 20:48 |
| lbt | dpkg-buildpkg -b -nc | 20:48 |
| lbt | the -nc means "no clean" | 20:48 |
| fiferboy | I'm still waiting for the clean portion of pkg-buildpackage to finish from the initial osc build command | 20:49 |
| lbt | so it won't purge .o files | 20:49 |
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| fiferboy | The clean takes forever! Not to mention purging the files I want... | 20:49 |
| lbt | yes... it also needs to build tools | 20:49 |
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| fiferboy | I also do a -b so it doesn't take forever building the source packages | 20:49 |
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| Stskeeps | b-man16: how fast is your JS stuff anyway? | 20:54 |
| b-man16 | it's fast ;) - verry little cpu+ram usage | 20:54 |
| b-man16 | btw, i was able to chroot into WebOS on my tablet - wooooooohoooooo!!!!!! 8D | 20:55 |
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| Stskeeps | b-man16: hehe | 20:55 |
| Stskeeps | b-man16: what engine is it? | 20:55 |
| b-man16 | it actually will run! XD | 20:55 |
| b-man16 | jvm | 20:56 |
| b-man16 | wait, in palm? | 20:56 |
| Stskeeps | as in, your engine stuff | 20:56 |
| b-man16 | Ejscript | 20:57 |
| b-man16 | +v8 and spidermonkey - optional | 20:57 |
| Stskeeps | b-man16: reason why i wonder is because we need something to deal with events on tablets | 20:57 |
| Stskeeps | kinda like powerlaunch | 20:57 |
| Stskeeps | so you can do stuff like, see signal on dbus, do something | 20:58 |
| Stskeeps | or power button pressed => show menu | 20:58 |
| Stskeeps | or "sd card partition noticed, automount" | 20:58 |
| Stskeeps | and it should be easy to script so everyone can add receipts | 20:58 |
| Stskeeps | and it needs to be a tiny and fast daemon | 20:59 |
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| b-man16 | it's verry resource friendly | 21:00 |
| b-man16 | it should be possible with Ejscript - since it's system wide js | 21:00 |
| b-man16 | wb z4chh | 21:01 |
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| b-man16 | z4chh - i got Palm Pre WebOS chroot on my tablet!! | 21:01 |
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| b-man16 | it works!!! | 21:01 |
| Stskeeps | define works.. runs? | 21:01 |
| Stskeeps | :P | 21:01 |
| b-man16 | yup | 21:01 |
| Stskeeps | as in, you can see a display? | 21:01 |
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| b-man16 | i haven't gotten to that point yet | 21:02 |
| Stskeeps | k | 21:02 |
| b-man16 | but hopefully | 21:02 |
| lcuk_the_grey | webos is on the whole a "sane" linux | 21:02 |
| b-man16 | it even uses a maemo-like sysv init startup system | 21:02 |
| lcuk_the_grey | wit ha nice frosted java based topping | 21:02 |
| b-man16 | /etc/init.d | 21:03 |
| Stskeeps | b-man16: but ejscript requires webserver running in some degree i guess | 21:03 |
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| Stskeeps | or can it run standalone | 21:03 |
| b-man16 | it can runn standalone | 21:03 |
| Stskeeps | get me a top of it at some point | 21:04 |
| b-man16 | k | 21:04 |
| * b-man16 grabs the link | 21:04 | |
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| pupnik | watch this: iphone 3g software - fun starts at 0:50 http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pBI5HwitBX4 | 21:05 |
| Macer | haha.. wtf.. little bill can't watch the baseball game because i guess his family didn't upgrade to the digital tuner? | 21:05 |
| b-man16 | Stskeeps: http://b-man.psykosis.net/projects/ejscript/ - source, development, and binary packages+documentation | 21:06 |
| Stskeeps | hm, embedding | 21:07 |
| keesj | isnt' this what ohm is doing? | 21:07 |
| Macer | pupnik: wtf? :) | 21:07 |
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| Macer | what is that? | 21:07 |
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| * b-man16 plays with WebOS | 21:07 | |
| keesj | acting on hardware changes | 21:07 |
| Macer | that was pretty awesome | 21:08 |
| Macer | haha | 21:08 |
| pupnik | that is very impressive shit | 21:08 |
| keesj | the problem is that you need booth something that runs as root and some other thing that runs with the X session | 21:08 |
| Macer | pupnik: yeah. have to give them that one | 21:08 |
| Macer | that is awesome | 21:08 |
| Macer | haha | 21:08 |
| lcuk_the_grey | does the iphone need to disable the window manager to give user access to 3d? | 21:08 |
| Stskeeps | keesj: true, but some of that can be abstracted away / done through dbus | 21:09 |
| Stskeeps | b-man16: anyway, give me a hint on the actual RAM/CPU usage sometime :) | 21:09 |
| keesj | dbus is more like an explosion mechanism to me :p | 21:10 |
| Stskeeps | keesj: but it's also to make receipes like .. "when on wlan, turn on gps" or "when mom calls, ignore" | 21:10 |
| Stskeeps | that kind of mechanism | 21:10 |
| Stskeeps | er, when on DUN, turn on gps | 21:10 |
| lcuk_the_grey | take the engine of powerlaunch and give it a sane script interface | 21:10 |
| Stskeeps | maybe | 21:11 |
| lcuk_the_grey | or just accept powerlaunch does the job | 21:11 |
| * lcuk_the_grey longs for AREXX like integration :)( | 21:12 | |
| lcuk_the_grey | hell, an activex interface to apps would ok ;) | 21:12 |
| keesj | yes , we all know GNU/Linux is really a mess, any other os has such things built-in | 21:12 |
| lcuk_the_grey | i think arexx only came quite late on | 21:12 |
| keesj | that is what keeps me off the street to be honest | 21:12 |
| lcuk_the_grey | original apps didnt use it (that i remember) | 21:12 |
| lcuk_the_grey | heh | 21:12 |
| lcuk_the_grey | Stskeeps, the problem with some of the recipes and interactions is the apps themselves need to expose interfaces to listen or expose their functionality | 21:13 |
| lcuk_the_grey | like you mentioned "when mom calls" you can only control skype if it exposed an api to do it from# | 21:14 |
| Stskeeps | mm | 21:14 |
| Stskeeps | maybe worth looking into some of the agent research | 21:14 |
| lcuk_the_grey | and so app developers themselves have to account for it - its just like an additional interface ontop of the preexisting Command line params, user input, and maybe a net api | 21:14 |
| lcuk_the_grey | im not sure if QT has a global method for it | 21:15 |
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| lcuk_the_grey | so you could create an App XYZ with its widget tree, but from externally you could call members of that tree and make events fire etc | 21:15 |
| * lcuk_the_grey considers this for liq* stuff :) | 21:16 | |
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| * MishaS just uploaded fbreader to fremantle builder... | 21:22 | |
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| MishaS | nothing happens? :) | 21:22 |
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| domme | moin | 21:32 |
| domme | is there an extra support channel for nokia 770? | 21:32 |
| Stskeeps | i doubt there's a support channel for even n8x0s :P | 21:32 |
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| Stskeeps | what problem do you have? | 21:32 |
| domme | my mother's 770 stopped displaying networks once.. then she brought it to a shop and they made it working again.. but navicore (her navigation software) stopped working | 21:33 |
| domme | and i couldnt reinstall it | 21:34 |
| domme | then i reflashed the 770.. and wlan stopped working now again | 21:34 |
| Stskeeps | there's a problem if the 770 is nearby a 802.11n network | 21:34 |
| Stskeeps | then it goes "blind" | 21:34 |
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| domme | yup, i read that | 21:35 |
| domme | but it worked before | 21:35 |
| Stskeeps | not sure if its even fixable in software | 21:35 |
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| domme | i guess my neighbours didnt start a 802.11n network while i was flashing the nokia | 21:36 |
| Stskeeps | well, if you find a solution do tell me :P | 21:37 |
| Stskeeps | i have a 770 that doesn't do much | 21:37 |
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| domme | that's really strange.. and i wonder what that shop/nokia (afaik they sent it to nokia) made | 21:38 |
| Stskeeps | if anything, n800/n810s are dead cheap these days | 21:39 |
| domme | how much? | 21:40 |
| till- | my father got an n810 for about 190 euro from amazon | 21:41 |
| domme | 200 euro? that's not dead cheap | 21:41 |
| Stskeeps | hmm, i saw cheaper | 21:41 |
| domme | that's very expensive if you own a device which is supposed to work | 21:41 |
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| Stskeeps | domme: though 770 came out in what, 2005? :P | 21:41 |
| domme | Stskeeps: yes, but it worked this afternoon | 21:41 |
| Stskeeps | (i agree, i own a 770 too that's not doing much) | 21:41 |
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| domme | mhh damn.. :\ | 21:43 |
| domme | this really sucks.. | 21:43 |
| Stskeeps | what OS version on it? | 21:44 |
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| domme | Stskeeps: which it was when it worked? | 21:57 |
| domme | 2006 something.. but it looked like the standard n800 theme i saw on laast year's akademy | 21:57 |
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| domme | wtf?! | 22:05 |
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| domme | i installed an ancient firmware... and wlan seems to work again o.O | 22:05 |
| domme | let's see if i can install navicore | 22:05 |
| Luke-Jr | domme: uh? 2006 *IS* ancient | 22:06 |
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| Stskeeps | Luke-Jr: but it isn't half bad on 770 | 22:06 |
| domme | Luke-Jr: Nokia_770_3.2005.51-13.bin | 22:06 |
| Luke-Jr | oh, 770 | 22:06 |
| Luke-Jr | upgrade to a SmartQ ;) | 22:06 |
| domme | yup | 22:06 |
| domme | it's not even my device | 22:07 |
| Luke-Jr | so? :þ | 22:07 |
| domme | it would have to tell my mother to upgrade | 22:07 |
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| Luke-Jr | ok | 22:07 |
| Luke-Jr | do that | 22:07 |
| * b-man16 gets an Illegal instruction error when re-entering WebOS chroot, hmmm | 22:08 | |
| Luke-Jr | b-man16: qemu? or native? | 22:09 |
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| b-man16 | native | 22:09 |
| domme | LOL | 22:09 |
| b-man16 | everything else works | 22:09 |
| domme | wlan works but navicore fails to install ... | 22:09 |
| Luke-Jr | uh | 22:09 |
| Luke-Jr | 770 doesn't have a GPS, does it? | 22:09 |
| domme | per bluetooth | 22:10 |
| Luke-Jr | o i c | 22:10 |
| qwerty12_N800 | it does come with something called bluetooth | 22:10 |
| Luke-Jr | I still don't understand bluetooth | 22:10 |
| domme | it's when you eat too much blueberries | 22:11 |
| domme | then you get bluetooth | 22:11 |
| domme | severe illness | 22:11 |
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| domme | okay, same problem with Nokia_770_SE2005_5_2006_13_7.bin | 22:16 |
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| domme | i'll try SU-18_2006SE_1.2006.26-8_PR_F5_MR0_ARM.bin | 22:16 |
| Stskeeps | be aware of WSOD | 22:17 |
| Stskeeps | :P | 22:17 |
| domme | wsod? | 22:17 |
| Stskeeps | white screen of death | 22:17 |
| Stskeeps | too many flashes => dead screen | 22:17 |
| domme | uhm | 22:17 |
| domme | really? | 22:17 |
| Stskeeps | google 770 wsod | 22:17 |
| Stskeeps | :P | 22:17 |
| domme | mhh | 22:18 |
| cosmo | not even too many, i got it on first upgrade | 22:18 |
| domme | damn | 22:18 |
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| cosmo | i think i was the first to report it. i even lent the device to some nokia guy to diagnose. | 22:19 |
| domme | and then.. the device is totally broken? | 22:19 |
| cosmo | yep, it needs service | 22:19 |
| domme | service? | 22:20 |
| cosmo | it's unknown what causes it, but flashing can trigger it | 22:20 |
| domme | and nothing can untrigger it? :\ | 22:20 |
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| cosmo | no, it's bricked | 22:21 |
| cosmo | i luckily had warranty left so i got it fixed for free | 22:21 |
| domme | okay, last try for today | 22:21 |
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| cosmo | of course the bug may be fixed in newer hardware.. my 770 was one of the first ones on sale | 22:23 |
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| domme | mhh | 22:27 |
| domme | dunno.. i'll send my mother to the shop again | 22:28 |
| domme | they shall make wlan AND navicore work again | 22:28 |
| domme | it once did :\ | 22:28 |
| johns_ | can i tell qemu to use -cpu arm1136 without commandline? | 22:29 |
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| lcuk | X-Fade, :$ if you are nearby some kind of terminal could you please do something with the 2 projects i just applied to | 22:31 |
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| andre__ | VDVsx, pong | 22:50 |
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| VDVsx | andre__, I have a question about the 'extra products' in b.m.o, but already asked in the mail that I sent to you :) | 22:53 |
| VDVsx | andre__, did you enjoyed the wine ? :P | 22:54 |
| andre__ | ah. just put some money in that bag, as per instructions, and you can get your product :-P | 22:54 |
| andre__ | oh yeah. what an awesome weather. heavy wind and sun. was great :) | 22:54 |
| * andre__ downloads mail | 22:54 | |
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| VDVsx | :) | 22:55 |
| pupnik | can i synthesize sound on dsp while it passes system audio, mixing the two? | 22:57 |
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| andre__ | VDVsx, looks good. going to create it in the next 30 minutes | 22:58 |
| VDVsx | andre__, ok, I only had a doubt about the last topic | 23:03 |
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| andre__ | no. perfect | 23:05 |
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| Andrew-Work | Anyone seen johnx? | 23:09 |
| Stskeeps | he's probably busy with work | 23:10 |
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| Andrew-Work | I can't figure out how to print this flyer right | 23:10 |
| Stskeeps | photoshop | 23:11 |
| Stskeeps | ? | 23:11 |
| Stskeeps | :P | 23:11 |
| aquatix | inkscape | 23:11 |
| Andrew-Work | well your suppose to be able to fit two on one 8.5 x 11 paper I think | 23:11 |
| Andrew-Work | I guess if i take one to office max they can put two on a page and print me off a couple hundred | 23:13 |
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| andre__ | VDVsx, https://bugs.maemo.org/enter_bug.cgi?product=BlueMaemo | 23:32 |
| andre__ | darn. 34 minutes, not 30. :-P | 23:32 |
| VDVsx | lol | 23:32 |
| VDVsx | andre__, thanks ;) | 23:33 |
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| xnt14 | noone here can read japanese? XD | 23:43 |
| inz | xnt, LOL? | 23:45 |
| xnt14 | Yup | 23:45 |
| xnt14 | :) | 23:45 |
| xnt14 | :P | 23:45 |
| inz | Google Translate to teh rescue! | 23:45 |
| xnt14 | :P | 23:46 |
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| xnt14 | Google翻訳は、救助に！ | 23:47 |
| xnt14 | LOL | 23:47 |
| b-man16 | lolz | 23:47 |
| xnt14 | lol | 23:48 |
| b-man16 | lol | 23:48 |
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