IRC log of #maemo for Wednesday, 2009-06-10

Jaffaandre__: Computers *definitely* suck. Yesterday & today (getting back to my laptop after a week), has been 'orrible00:00
Stskeepsevening MoonTiger00:00
lcuk:) Jaffa00:00
MoonTigerevening :)00:00
* lcuk hates them too00:00
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lcukhiya MoonTiger \o00:00
MoonTigerStskeeps, is there a version of mer i can run yet?00:00
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MoonTigerhey lcuk  :)00:00
StskeepsMoonTiger: define run ;)00:01
MoonTigerhahaha ok thats all i needed to know :)00:01
StskeepsMoonTiger: some people run it day to day00:01
MoonTigerwhen d'ya think it might be?00:01
lcukmer_install.exe something you can run from vista :D00:01
* MoonTiger slaps lcuk 00:02
* lcuk likes it00:02
* lcuk offers you a Windows 7 patch00:02
luke-jrlcuk: fail00:02
* MoonTiger runs and programs linux thnx very much00:02
lcuki win actually now00:02
andre__...and Stskeeps could finally finance his studies by including some malware in the mer_install.exe00:02
MoonTigeralthough this .NET project ive been doing is killing me00:02
luke-jrlcuk: cant' win if you use Windows00:02
MoonTigerStskeeps, is there any non-rocket science programming i could do to help?00:03
lcuk:) luke-jr actually you can, linux has a lot to learn from windows00:03
StskeepsMoonTiger: plenty, , glance at backlog00:03
luke-jrlcuk: Linux is superior to Windows in every way00:03
lcuknever said it wasnt - but linux is lacking in many respects00:04
luke-jrand that was self-contradictatory00:04
lcuki can have a super car that does 300mph which is better than a volvo00:04
lcukbut the supercar can still learn valuable lessons from the volvo00:04
StskeepsMoonTiger: you can also try out the VMDK and you'll definately see areas of improvement.. if you're a gtk wiz, that helps too :P00:04
MoonTigerStskeeps, im ok -ish with gtk ... learning ... and willing to try to help but dont want to promise anything i cant deliver00:05
luke-jrlcuk: Windows has no purpose00:06
Stskeepswe just say initially 3 days timeboxing for a task, with possibility of extending 2 days at per click :)00:06
luke-jrMoonTiger: GTK is fail too00:06
Stskeepsso you take things in your own temper00:06
luke-jrMoonTiger: learn Qt400:06
StskeepsMoonTiger: feel free to hang in #mer too if you're bored :)00:06
lcukluke-jr :)00:06
Stskeeps(we're quite a few peeps by now)00:06
MoonTigerluke-jr, gtk is ok ... its the supported toolkit for maemo right now00:06
luke-jrMoonTiger: I refuse to run anything GTK00:06
Stskeepsor gconf, for that sake00:06
luke-jrMoonTiger: even Maemo is moving to Qt00:07
MoonTigerluke-jr, all toolkits have fails in certain areas00:07
Stskeepsluke-jr's like a open source monk00:07
luke-jrMoonTiger: GTK has no benefits over Qt00:07
MoonTigerluke-jr, i didnt say it has ... i just said none of them are perfect or even close00:07
lcukyes it does: C00:07
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luke-jrMoonTiger: my point is you should learn and use Qt ;)00:08
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luke-jrlcuk: Qt is backward compatible with C00:08
ProteousI think luke-jr is a troll00:08
MoonTigerluke-jr, i already do some simple qt stuff thnx and i like the toolkit00:08
nomis"backward compatible with C"? Huh?00:08
MoonTigernomis, i was wondering that too00:08
StskeepsProteous: he is, he should spend more time coding00:08
luke-jrStskeeps: I should. :þ00:09
lcuki read that as coloring00:09
lcukhes about that age00:09
* luke-jr ponders lcuk's age00:09
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lcukdont ponder, its public knowledge :)00:09
luke-jrmy age happens to have just incremented today00:10
* Proteous bakes luke-jr a cake00:10
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nomisluke-jr: may you gain wisdom  :)00:10
lcukand chinfluff00:10
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MoonTigerStskeeps, is there a version i can run ...on a vm or something?00:12
StskeepsMoonTiger: yup00:12
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MoonTigerwhere would i find that?00:12 - it runs in VirtualBox, VMware, etc :)00:12
Stskeepsfull x86 version00:13
Stskeepsso you can develop straight on your pc and when done, just send it to our builders and it'll sort out the ARM porting for you :P00:14
MoonTigerthat sounds nice00:14
MoonTigerto play with and get a bit comfy with i mean00:14
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Stskeepsmuch saner than maemo development, in my personal completely biased opinion00:14
kkrustyhas anyone had luck with emacs+tramp for maemo?00:15
glassbut yeah sounds quite nice00:15
MoonTigerlcuk might disagree00:15
* lcuk cant wait for apt-get liqbase-playground-dev to take off ;)00:15
StskeepsMoonTiger: he can run dpkg-buildpackage on mer on n8x0, i doubt he'd complain00:15
lcukon device gets easier :)00:15
locutuskkrusty: to unusable on the keyboard imho00:15
lcukStskeeps, i can actually now lol00:16
Stskeepslcuk: insane man00:16
kkrustylocutus: Well Im using emacs+tramp on local machine and accessing files over ssh/rsync00:16
lcuki removed the autotools stuff tho00:16
lcuki dont need that00:16
kkrustylocutus: it reads files but doesnt update them with rsync. ssh doesnt work at all00:17
fiferboy_n810lbt: ping?00:17
lcukyeah Stskeeps its been a bit of a manic week :$00:17
* lcuk has learnt a lot00:17
kkrustylocutus: are you using emacs on the tablet?00:17
locutuskkrusty: sometimes over ssh00:18
lbtfiferboy_n810: hi00:18
locutuskkrusty: i find it horrible to use00:18
CutMeOwnThroathm, I can't see how to make espeak use esd00:18
kkrustylocutus: thats brave.00:19
CutMeOwnThroatdamn google translates espeak into espeaker00:19
locutuskkrusty: i mostly use it over ssh to quickly read my email and such00:19
locutuskkrusty: and sometimes i try to write replies00:19
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kkrustyI just want to be able to read write source files from my desktop00:20
kkrustylocutus:  n810?00:20
fiferboy_n810lbt: hey, did you test out the virtual func?00:20
kkrustywith wimax? the original kind had a horrible keyboard00:20
locutusthe original one00:21
lbtI'm doing it atm...00:21
fiferboy_n810Cool.  How did your changes go?00:22
lbtugh... but got them done00:22
lbtI wanted to work in pixels but just got lost00:22
lbtmy brain can't cope with all the transformations, sign changes and offsets00:23
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lcuk:( lbt, they hurt my brain too lol00:23
lbtbut it now has a nice simple accelerate back to the edge00:23
lbtI had an damped oscillation for a while00:24
lbtbut it was a bit OTT00:24
lcukis there a limit to the amount of overrun00:24
lbtheh, no00:24
lcukbeware then - make max 1 screen or something00:24
lbtyou can 'throw' the widget off screen00:24
fiferboy_n810An overrun limit might be good, maybe half a screen00:24
lbtbut it comes back00:24
lcukotherwise you will have problems with those random misclick events00:24
fiferboy_n810lbt:  I've got to go, but could you send me your changes?00:25
Tu13esis there a good streaming radio app with a list of radio stations?00:26
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Noma <- should that work properly on n810?00:48
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luke-jrNoma: uh, it IS called N8x0 install..00:58
Nomayes i know, so it should:) but i think they are fixing something now, i asked the same thing on #mer00:59
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kkrustyI've found sshfs to solve my problem01:33
kkrustythank you everyone for helping01:33
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lcuk does anybody have diablo scratchbox setup02:04
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pupniknot i02:15
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pupnikwhy are you building for freemantle?02:16
pupnikis it released?02:16
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lcukcos thats the only scratchbox i have :$ and i cant install the other one cos im shit02:16
lcukit fails and i dunno how to fix it02:16
lcukno, i installed it on the laptop02:16
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pupnikuse vmdk?02:18
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ProteousI'm just waiting for diable302:19
ProteousLOOKS SO COOL02:19
Proteouser, Diablo302:20
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Proteousalthough diable is sorta a nifty word02:20
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jophishgarr, I can't seem to get the application manager working. It is trying to use the disabled proxy, I've seen this problem before, but wasn't able to find a fix02:21
jophishanybody else had this problem, n810, latest firmware02:21
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KamikaziFreakMy n800 recently went into an endless reboot cycle, forcing me to reflash it.  Now I'm trying to track down the hack that lets you use the older version of osso-xterm-advanced, with the right side ctrl and other buttons, but can't find it anywhere.  Does anyone know about this?02:34
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jophishright it seems I need to install gconf02:37
jophishhowever I am not root02:37
jophishand cant install anything to become root02:38
lcukadd maemo extras, then install becomeroot or gainroot or whatever root it is02:39
jophishI cant install anything, because the application manager isn't working02:39
jophishand I need root to get it working02:39
jophishaccording to this: gconf-editor is the thing I need02:40
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lcukhow did you break it ?02:40
jophishbrand new02:40
jophishflashed to latest02:41
lcukrestored apps after flash?02:41
jophishnothing to do after flashing, I just got it today02:41
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jophishgoing to reflash now, just to make sure02:41
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lcukjophish, check you have proper connectivity02:44
lcukcos that sounds really screwed02:44
jophishinternets working fine02:45
jophishalboet slow02:45
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lcukmmm odd then, its not normal to have to do strange shit to app manager02:46
jophishit is very strange02:46
jophishoh reflashed and the manager is checking for updates02:47
jophishtaking a long time, so I suspect it's timing out looking at a proxy02:47
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GeneralAntilleskeesj, better question, why is an S60 project eating our bandwidth?02:49
jophishlcuk, it is this bug:
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jophishI don't really understand why I have this problem, I'm using a standard wifi network02:59
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jophishlcuk, I looked at the /system/http_proxy settings in gconftool-2 and use_http_proxy is set to false!03:01
lcukjophish, :S i dunno whether thats good or bad, its just something new to me to hear about people having this kind of problem03:02
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pupniki must praise nokia for N810 durability and reliability03:08
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luke-jrpupnik: why?03:09
pupniki do manage to crash the system every few days though03:09
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pupnikluke-jr, just happy with it.  i guess as cell phones go, that is not unusual03:09
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pupnikbut .. we are talking, foot catching power cable and the thing flying onto tile/concrete03:10
jophishhmm, tried with a different wireless network, same problem03:11
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jophishlcuk, would you mind testing for me?03:22
KamikaziFreakDoes anyone know about the hack to get the old xterm with ctrl and other buttons on the right side on os2008?03:23
lcukyes, im busy03:23
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KamikaziFreaklcuk, if that was for me, I'm talking about something else.03:26
* lcuk isnt on form tonight lol03:27
jophishgarr, I don't believe that this could be so complex03:27
jophishrefusing to use no proxy03:28
jophishit uses a proxy fine, however when no proxy is set, application manager defaults to
KamikaziFreakThere's a hack somewhere that breaks the os2008 feature upgrade in the app manager (making it show up as needing upgrading), but lets you install the older version of osso-xterm.03:29
KamikaziFreakI had it working before my tablet crashed, but can't seem to find it again03:30
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jophishah, seems this isn't a proxy problem, but a dns problem03:34
KamikaziFreakAha, found it again.
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jophishlcuk, good news, I got it working by using opendns03:55
b-man16lcuk,  :)03:55
b-man16entirely re designed03:55
jophishwell, working for two repo's and one nokia one are not working03:56
lcukthat is a fucked up ui, but i think most should work in liqbase lol03:57
lcukcool joph03:57
* lcuk beds anyway03:57
b-man16lcuk, thanks :)03:58
lcuk\o gnite b-man16 jophish03:58
lcukb-man16, its only 6 images being alpha blitted in certain places03:58
lcukbacon did that in original liqbase ;)03:58
b-man16yeah, but it's still a bit of a concept03:59
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lcukb-man16, would be cool if you could balance the images and tip them around based on the orientation of the tablet ;)04:00
* lcuk really beds tho04:00
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b-man16yeah, if we had an accelerometer04:01
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* b-man16 updates it to support links04:03
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pupnikin browser, i try to hilight text, but it always pans04:45
pupnikwhat am i doing wrong?04:45
tank-mantry double click the word then drag04:46
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pupnikcan i disable pannng in browser?05:26
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tonikitoo|pupnik, no way to disable pan05:47
tonikitoo|dbl tap and drag is your only alternative, i am afraid05:48
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man_in_shackwebsite having issues?07:43
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man_in_shackeew, gpe sudoku is described as "math" game07:45
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man_in_shackooh, maemo port of powermanga07:52
inzman, it has numbers; it must be math07:53
inzalhough, just about anything with numbers isn't real math, it's algebra07:55
man_in_shackyou could easily replace the numbers with any other set of 9 unique symbols07:56
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inzindeed it is a logic puzzle; but one might argue that logics is math07:57
man_in_shackmore like maths is logic :D08:01
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Guest3122_234someone know when the extra repo be udated?08:05
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ifvoidhow do I enter an escape?10:07
ifvoidas in vi10:07
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RazuPressing esc?10:09
thangam_Arunhello all10:10
thangam_Aruni am trying to access this URL
ifvoidRazu: uhm, on my n800 I mean ;)10:10
thangam_Aruni am not able to get it10:10
thangam_Arunis this url is down or moved to different name ??10:11
Razuifvoid: You have the auxilliary button bar in terminal? At least in n810 esc is there by default.10:11
RazuIf not go to setting and add it. Set as value Escape10:12
thangam_Arunany help please ??10:12
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ifvoidRazu: ah hm10:14
ifvoidRazu: I was using a different terminal from extras that doesn't have the extra buttons10:14
Razuifvoid: Ok :)10:14
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thangam_Aruni am trying to download Ubuntu-9.04 root image for N81010:15
thangam_Arunbut i am not able to get it !!10:15
thangam_Arunany idea ??10:15
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thangam_Arunno body is there to help me ??10:16
thangam_Aruni googled lot but no idea ..10:17
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thangam_Arunwhere to get ubuntu root filesystem for nokia tablet n80010:21
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thangam_Arunthux: no that URL is not accessable10:25
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thangam_Arunthux: i tried but there is no way to get that rootfs10:26
thuxah ok then i don't know10:27
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RST38hmoo all10:48
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RST38hEhehe, the thread on ITT promises to be lots of fun =)11:11
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Macerwell. after the 2nd time around11:12
Macerusing opensolaris as a desktop isn't that bad at all11:12
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RST38hMacer: I greatly hope you are using OLWM, aren't you?11:16
amit_dusualhi all, i am trying to install some python library on my scratchbox but i get this error:could not create '/scratchbox/tools/lib/python2.3/site-packages/easy': Permission denied Is there some problem with fakeroot??11:19
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Maceri'm using gnome. that's what comes with 2009.0611:21
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Macerand like11:22
Macerolwm? :)11:22
Maceri hope that isn't what you are talking about :)11:22
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RST38hMacer: No, you DEFINITELY should be using OLWM =)11:24
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Macerno thanks11:30
Macerit's working great as a desktop11:31
Maceralthough i need to build mplayer or something11:31
Maceror xine.. anything that has internal codecs11:31
RST38hno repositories?11:31
Maceri'm not sure about mplayer11:31
Maceri've just started installing things like flash11:31
Macer(official flash built for open/solaris) :)11:32
suihkulokkiolwm/xview was one the few packages we at debian did not bother to port for armel :)11:32
Macerman i love this video where the dude running from a bait car runs onto a golf course and steals a damn golf cart11:32
suihkulokkiI actually asked for it's removal but apparently it still has it's fans11:33
Maceri am sure there are some people thathave really made it look nice11:33
Maceri mean you have to put a lot more work into it but i'm sure you can do pretty nice stuff to it11:33
Macerjust like flux or blackbox11:33
suihkulokkitrouble is that xview (the toolkit olwm is built on) doesn't work (properly) on any 64bit arch either11:34
Macerwhat i really hate about the opensolaris gnome is taht the media player only sends you to download codecs that have to be paid for11:35
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balorDoes the N810 have OpenGL ES on board?11:36
suihkulokkishort answer: no11:36
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JaffaMorning, all11:37
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X-FadeMorning Jaffa11:39
MakeGhoHi. My n810 suddenly started to type ø and æ when I press ö and ä buttons. Any ideas how to fix that?11:39
RST38hthe characters you are typing look like Unicode trash to me, so no idea11:39
aquatixRST38h: fix your irc client ;)11:40
aquatixMakeGho: might be a locale issue11:40
RST38haquatix: F-Secure SSH Client here11:40
aquatixdid you change the locale settings lately?11:40
MakeGhonope, didn't11:40
MakeGhoit started all sudden, I didn't even install anything11:41
aquatixRST38h: does it have a utf8 option?11:41
RST38haquatix: no idea, lemme try11:41
suihkulokkiMakeGho: looks like danish keymap11:41
aquatixMakeGho: might be a fluke, maybe a simple reboot will fix it11:41
aquatixyeah, or swedish maybe11:41
MakeGhoFinnish keymap = Swedish keymap btw11:42
MakeGhoaquatix, reboot didn't fix11:42
balorsuihkulokki: Long answer probably includes Mesa and Gallium?11:42
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MakeGhoI also switched this to Swedish and back but it didn't help11:43
MakeGhocould try some weird language and back too11:43
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MakeGhocould there be some shortcut key like alt+shift in windows?11:45
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RST38hthere is language selector11:50
RST38hin the virtual keyboard menu, anyway11:50
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MakeGhoctrl+chr fixed it11:54
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MakeGhothanks all11:55
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balorI have a hello-world app, how do I start it on maemo 4.1? hello?12:03
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Jaffabalor: On the SDK?12:04
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balorJaffa: On the scratchbox enviroment in the SDK12:04
Jaffabalor: ./hello ( just starts the deskto environment)12:04
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sarowerwhat are the technologies related to Internet connectivity and communication in maemo...?12:04
balorJaffa: thanks.  So I should and then run standalone12:04
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sarowerI want to work on it...12:05
sarowerany body there .. who can give a guidance12:05
Jaffabalor: ' start' - starts stuff backgrounded anyway, so & unnecessary12:05
Jaffasarower: What do you mean "related to Internet connectivity and communication in Maemo"?12:05
sarowersuppose i want to establish a connection with other device....12:06
sarowerwhich way or technology i have to study?12:06
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Macerthat is a rather large list isn't it?12:07
Jaffasarower: Bluetooth or (ad-hoc) wifi. The protocol you then speak if up to you.12:07
JaffaI believe INdT had a library for games comms, but ICBW12:07
sarowerno ... i want to do it programatically through internet..!12:08
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sarowerwhich API or library?12:08
saroweri have to study?12:08
parigaudii tried to compile the camera example, but it seems like the pkgconfig .pc file is missing for the gstreamer-interfaces-0.10 in the diablo sdk12:09
parigaudiwhere do i get that file?12:09
parigaudior what's the solution?12:09
man_in_shacksarower, obex may help you with bluetooth. ad-hoc wifi is probably easier for the programmer, because it's just a regular network12:09
Jaffasarower: Anything using TCP/IP; but you probably also want to look at the icd interface to prompt for network connections on demand12:10
sarowerJaffa: yah right...12:10
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parigaudior what do i need to compile the camera example?12:11
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sarowerI mean... suppose we can use cairo for drawing....? then what it would be for internet connection?12:11
fluxsarower, I think you are looking for the BSD sockets interface12:12
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Jaffasarower: Use icd to establish a network connection; then the BSD sockets interface12:12
sarowerin maemo...?12:12
JaffaOr any Linux library built on top of it (if you want to use HTTP or SOAP or REST or ...)12:13
Jaffasarower: Yes, in Maemo.12:13
saroweri will use maemomm (OSSO C++). So is it possible to use SOAP there?12:13
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Jaffasarower: top result on Google for "c++ linux soap" is
* Jaffa has only ever done SOAP in Java, so YMMV12:14
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sarowerOk Jaffa... Thanks... and let me check these things! later i will talk to you.12:16
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Summeligsoap works very well with Maemo12:26
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lcuklol jaffa, im surprised there were results for linux and soap in the same query12:29
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RST38h"The presidency of the Gabonese Republic would like to stress that the President of the Republic, the Head of State, His Excellency Omar Bongo is not dead."12:34
Stskeepsit's quite often those things happen12:34
Stskeeps"he's actually a zombie"12:34
RST38hFrench zombie to believe the BBC12:34
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Jaffalcuk: Never underestimate the power of the dark side12:36
RST38hthe soapy power of the dark side...12:37
JaffaClean and shiney dark side, compared with the grubby light side. Hmm.12:39
RST38hWhat part of Microsoft's crap is clean?12:39
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* lcuk is the darkside12:46
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JaffaRST38h: SOAP makes things clean, and who mentioned MS? ;-)12:50
infobotJaffa meant: RST38h: Soap makes things clean, and who mentioned MS? ;-)12:50
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RST38hJaffa: SOAP involves so much worthless XML glue that it rarely fits into UDP packets12:53
RST38hIn fact, a copuple of my friends hit that when doing VoIP :)12:53
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RST38hwazd, lcuk, jaffa:
RST38hEnjoy, folks :)12:54
Macerwell... opensolaris is good12:54
wazdRST38h: I just want to copy 500 songs to the other card12:55
lcukRST38h, "s such a royal pain in the tukhes. "  thats gotta hurt12:56
RST38hwazd: Then give him hell before this view of the situation gets implemented in Fremantle release12:56
RST38hlcuk: You try opening a directory with 100+ files in fMSX or Speccy and see :)12:56
lcukRST38h, i *KNOW* your pain, i had the same problem, i have hundreds of book fils12:57
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RST38hlcuk: Same, go haunt Quim12:57
lcukon liqbase classic version i put up a crappy file select, the one in the newer one is even worse for now12:57
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lcukwhy, i dont use it - when i want files randomly i either put up with the file manager thats  there12:58
lcukits VERY rare i ever see the gtk dialog12:58
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lcuki use winscp which has file tree normally12:58
RST38hIf we do not haunt Quim on these issues, he will have the "nobody complained about the beta" defense when everyone gets pissed about N90012:58
lcukbut its linux12:58
lcukyou can just install whatever makes you happy12:58
lcukkot has mc12:58
Maceri didn't know that in canada all you have to do to get guns through the airport is to smuggle them in clay12:58
Maceroh wait.. this movie came out in 199512:58
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lcuki use the builtin one12:58
lcukfor the rare times i need it it works12:59
Macerwhen you could move huge quantities of cocaine through the airports12:59
RST38hMacer: need more clay now12:59
lcukRST38h, ive got the raw starting point for a wicked smooth file select dialog that will be completed in time13:00
Macer"The Sons of the Dragons"13:00
lcuki'd rather not complain at problems but try to visualise solutions13:00
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Macerit just isn't a good asian assassin movie without having something or something without the word dragon in it13:00
lcukbut ill bbl13:00
Macerit's like asian bourne13:01
RST38hlcuk: the problem with the stuff you are doing is that it is still just a demo that has nothing to do with the standard frameworks (GTK+ in our case) or applications13:03
RST38hlcuk: So, personnally, I will say "liqbase is a success" when I start seeing first liqbase-based apps (image viewers, book readers, file managers) appearing in Extras13:03
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pupnik_ty tonikitoo|13:29
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KayDeeEeJonabout the camera api again: i can't compile the camera example because pkgconfig doesn't find a package for gstreamer-interfaces (in diablo sdk)13:40
KayDeeEeJonand googling around, i found some irc log from here where someone said the .pc file was missing  (i.e. gstreamer-interfaces-0.10.pc)13:41
KayDeeEeJonso how do i get the camera example to build with diablo sdk?13:41
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Stskeepsit's incredible how many people go right ahead when things are marked as strictly experimental and then are surprised when it bricks their devices..13:47
Stskeeps"this image, might for what it's worth, turn your device into a raving killing machine and cause doomsday to come about"13:48
aquatix`or might eat your lunch, whatever scares you most'13:49
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RST38hStskeeps: what about displaying skull and crossbones while booting? =)13:59
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StskeepsRST38h: i thought the log would be enough warning ;P14:00
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Stskeeps(we haven't added that to boot screen yet)14:00
aquatixdidn't know was that scary ;)14:00
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Stskeepsheh, airbus plane landing in gran canaria .. some media claim an engine was on fire.. and a spokesman say "the plane had undefined problems".. which is kinda fatal in a plane that's digital fly-by-wire14:20
X-FadeStskeeps: And has not manual(human) override mode.14:21
Stskeepsi would freak out if a plane console started showing "undefined" or "NULL" on screens14:21
RST38hIsn't that beautiful engineering?14:21
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Stskeepsor worse off, "null"14:22
* RST38h can almost see some Airbus manager explaining to the pilots that the manual control is "not an intended use case"14:22
X-FadeI was also amazed at the the air france plane being unfindable at first.14:22
X-FadeIs it so hard to just slap a gps tracker on that 200M plane ;)14:22
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StskeepsX-Fade: when it's several meters under the surface of water, maybe14:22
X-FadeStskeeps: Last know position?14:23
X-FadeThat should narrow the search radius to a few square km..14:23
RST38hX-Fade: It is there14:23
X-FadeRST38h: Why were they searching in 100s of square km radius then?14:23
RST38hX-Fade: The problem of course is that 1) it needs power to operate and 2) radio signals do not penetrate water well14:23
Robot1013) the water moves14:24
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RST38hX-Fade: Once you lose tracking signal, you have to assume that the bird can fly as far as its remaining fuel allows14:24
X-FadeRST38h: Reporting every minute or even every 10 secs will help?14:24
RST38hX-Fade: Hence 100kms14:24
Stskeepsmount a n810 on top of the plane14:24
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X-FadeI just would have expected a better resolution with current technology.14:25
RST38hX-Fade: Again: the moment you lose the signal (to whatever causes), you have to assume that the plane may go as far as fuel allows14:25
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NomaBut why they don't build a device that has its own power system and satellite connection and send the position via satellite every 10sec to the ground? And maybe even the blackbox data?14:25
X-FadeRST38h: Why would you lose GPS tracker signal at the same time. (If this was an engine or onboard computer problem)14:25
X-FadeNoma: Exactly. That should be separate.14:26
RST38hX-Fade: Power trouble for example14:26
RST38hX-Fade: eletromagnetic interference. terrorist act.14:26
RST38hThe short answer is "you do not know"14:26
RST38hAnd with so many lives at stake, you have to consider all options14:27
X-FadeRST38h: Well in this case it looks like the airspeed indicator was broken.14:27
RST38hQuite possible14:27
X-FadeSo they basically stalled while in a storm.14:27
RST38hAirspeed isn't very reliable thing to measure anyway14:27
pupnik_anybody got nmap for os2008?  2007 doesnt work14:28
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Nomaby the way, what prevents to mount the blackbox somewhere on the plane so that it would separate from the plane when it detects that the plane hits the water?14:31
Stskeepsaccording to some, it is mounted nearby the tail14:31
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Nomabut still it has gone to the bottom with the plane14:32
Stskeepsi still dislike flying, heh14:33
RST38hIt is safer than driving though14:33
Nomaand safer than trains and boats14:33
RST38hYou have not mentioned the bicycles14:34
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RST38hbicycles are real killers, eclipsed only by motorbikes14:34
aquatixor walking14:34
Stskeepstank deaths.14:34
Nomathe newspaper i read just compared planes, cars, trains and boats :p14:34
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aquatixfighter jets14:34
RST38hrhinos, anybody? =)14:35
Stskeepsdeath by elephant seems to exist to14:35
RST38hyes, a popular way of execution in India during British rule14:36
jaskabrutish rule14:36
inzRST, staying at home isn't too safe either14:38
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aquatixmost accidents happen in and round your home14:40
inzSuddenly flying sounds quite safe14:41
inzI'll never set my foot on ground again!14:41
aquatixmy next home is an aeroplane14:41
lcukwhen the sky becomes your home the accident rate rises..14:42
aquatixshush ;)14:42
locutusi prefer submarines14:42
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lcuksubmarine racing :: not a spectator sport14:42
inzThere was big headline yesterday in some finnish "news"paper, freely translated as: "A sunken submarine was found from the bottom of the ocean"14:43
inzI wonder where they were looking before that...14:43
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aquatixinz: lol14:47
RST38hActually, NOTHING beats eating cucumbers in terms of fataities14:49
RST38h100% of people who ate cucumbers in XIX century are dead14:49
aquatixsame with breathing oxygen14:49
aquatixalso a 100% fatality rate14:49
inzAnd drinking water14:49
thuxvodka is very healthy instead14:50
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RST38hhydrogen monoxide poisonings are known to happen, yes14:50
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lcukRST38h, 19th century 1800 .. 1900 - there are people around who are over 109 years old, so your statement might well be false14:52
RST38hlcuk: poisonous cucumber consumption usually starts at the age of 5 or so14:53
RST38hmaybe a bit earlier14:53
RST38hotherwise these may be rare survivors who avoided cucumbers all their lives =)14:53
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lcuki cannot find any facts on longevity of cucumber eaters14:56
X-Fadeask wolfram ;)14:56
lcukRST38h, is your study another scp?14:56
lcukheh X-Fade14:56
lcukif wolfram was so good, it would recognise i asked a question and automatically mail me the results14:57
lcukand a nice cucumber sandwich14:57
* RST38h wonders why so many cellular automata people go mad14:58
aquatixWolfram|Alpha isn't sure what to do with your input.14:58
aquatixeat it?14:58
RST38hMaybe that is how the Tentacled One makes a warning? =)14:58
StskeepsRST38h: when it begins to talk to you14:59
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lcukahhh, we have proof then that wolfran alpha did NOT eat a cucumber in the 19th century15:00
RST38hWolfram himself definitely ate *some* cucumber15:01
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lcukRST38h, do you have a rigerous proof of that15:02
lcukor is it all hearsay15:02
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RST38hlcuk: A moment15:02
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RST38hlcuk:  <== 1280 pages of exhaustive proof15:03
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pupnik  has nmap for os200815:16
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thuxwhy nmap ain't in extras repo?15:19
EdLinI'm having a problem with my n810, when I try to boot it up, I get the white Nokia screen then it goes blank. The last thing I did with it was try to download maps for the GPS program.15:21
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EdLinI'm having a problem with my n810, when I try to boot it up, I get the white Nokia screen then it goes blank. The last thing I did with it was try to download maps for the GPS program.15:23
RST38hThat is probably low battery15:24
Stskeepsout of space on internal jffs possibly, or low battery15:24
EdLinok. I was just getting out my charger. If it's out of space in jffs, what do I do?15:25
Stskeepsreflash if you don't have usb networking telnet in a bootmenu15:25
EdLinStskeeps: how do I do that?15:25
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EdLinnm, it seems to have been the battery.15:26
Stskeepsif you enabled telnet in bootmenu, you can telnet in over USB and remove stuff to get more space15:26
EdLinwhere is boot menu?15:26
Stskeepsyou only have one if you installed one :P15:27
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plastunhow to get path for default directories such as .images, .documents?15:36
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RST38hCheck this out =)15:41
RST38hplastun: ~/MyDocs/.documents etc15:43
plastunis constantly for all maemo devices?15:43
RST38hSo far.15:43
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_mohi @all15:45
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RST38hAh the glory shots!15:46
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RST38h"...the brand new Nokia N97 achieves only a modest rating, slowest of all keyboarded PDAs I've ever used, proving only marginally quicker than the virtual keyboard of its much cheaper sister device, the 5800 XpressMusic..."15:47
RST38hSo now we know what to expect from N900...15:47
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NomaN97 was just as quick as for example my E71 when I tried it15:49
NomaI didn't notice any slowness15:49
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StskeepsRST38h: without knowing if the kbd is anything like n900, it was delicious and nice to write on.15:49
RST38hWell, E71 keyboard is nothing to be proud about15:49
RST38hIt is much smaller too15:49
RST38hSts: I can only test n810 and it is pure trouble15:50
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StskeepsRST38h: n810 kbd is shite15:50
pupnikN810 seems pretty good but i have no comparison15:50
Stskeepsi want a n900 just for the keyboard, honestly15:50
RST38hSts: And you are saying N97 is better?15:50
pupnikrounded buttons would mean less typos15:50
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RST38hWould be nice if it were true...15:50
RST38hWell, E70 smokes 'em all, even without rounded buttons15:51
RST38hIn fact, the results show it15:51
X-FadeThe device we played with had nice pronounced (round bumps) keys.15:51
pupnikbut take vertical space, not available in narrow slider design15:51
X-FadeAnd didn't need much pressure to type, unlike the n810 ;)15:51
JaffaX-Fade: That could just be because it'd been well used ;-)15:52
Stskeepsright, seems like i'll be presenting on DebConf9 unofficial track15:52
X-FadeJaffa: Nah, they were all like that.15:52
* aquatix rather likes the qwerty on his sony ericsson m600i15:52
aquatixtiny, but about as fast (faster?) as then n81015:53
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RST38hX-Fade: So it is more like the glory shot of the 9210 here: ?15:54
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X-FadeRST38h: No, they were round in the middle of the key.15:55
RST38hX-Fade: Square key with slight spherical cavity at the middle?15:55
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X-FadeNot cavity.. bump15:55
RST38hOh ok15:56
X-FadeSo you can feel them a lot easier too.15:56
pupnikodd, no blackberry or n810 tested15:56
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RST38hX-Fade: Was there space between keys?15:56
pupnikalso test only run by one person - useless15:56
chxThe reason N810 pwns everything -- screen resolution15:56
X-FadeRST38h: No.15:56
chx800x480 oh yeah :)15:56
RST38hScreen resolution of 800x480 is now becoming standard15:56
X-FadeRST38h: You felt the spacing by the bumps.15:57
RST38hHTCs are now 800x48015:57
NomaTouch Pro 2 and Xperia has just the same resolution as N810:)15:57
RST38hX-Fade:, still no spacing but bumps are there15:57
chxyes. that'd be a problem.15:57
chxTouch Pro 2 is still not Linux is it?15:57
RST38hpupnik: No, WinMobile!15:57
chxneither is Xperia15:57
pupnikok then15:57
* RST38h pushes pupnik back into the tar pit with a pitchfork15:57
chxwell, I dont want a device i need to reboot now and then15:57
chxI had a PDA with Windows Mobile, quite new, like WM6, it sucked balls15:58
aquatixyep, the hardware might be cool, the OS breaks the whole experience15:58
pupniki think n810 is darn close to perfect tbh15:58
RST38hManufacturers start recognizing it, seeing how at least a couple of them switched to S60 recently15:58
chxpupnik: it is.15:59
aquatixan n900 phone would be really, really interesting for me15:59
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chxwell, if they add HSDPA ... maybe maybe HSUPA that'd be bliss15:59
chxthe price of the N810 , by now, is very very enticing too16:00
chxthe X1 is , what, 400EUR?16:00
chxthe N810 is 200USD....16:00
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StskeepsAndrew-Work: happy birthday! :)16:01
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Andrew-WorkThanks Stskeeps16:02
Andrew-Workmy email box if full of auto happy birthday message from the hundreds of forums I belong to lol16:03
aquatixAndrew-Work: congrats :)16:04
* aquatix gets random birthday spam from forums16:04
aquatixas i tend to fill in a random birth date :)16:04
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jophishwhen installing using an install file from, does the application manager usually take a long time "preparing for installation" with the progress bar at half way16:30
man_in_shackthat reminds me16:32
man_in_shacki gonna install a bunch of stuff16:33
man_in_shackcos stuff is awesome16:33
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inztan stuff is awesomer16:35
inzyou even get divisions by zero16:35
man_in_shacktan-based asymptotes are awesomer16:36
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fiferboylbt: I like the new OvershootStabilise17:25
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leachim6isn't there an app that automatically repartitions the memory card and moves the system to it17:25
leachim6I don't remember the name of it17:25
leachim6can someone remind me please?17:25
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karatchovhello guys17:26
karatchovplz, anyone here have esbox working on xp ?17:27
karatchovI'm trying to setup it on eclipse, but I get an error when I select esbox in the preference dialog17:27
leachim6what is the name of the app that automatically moves everything and boots from the MMC...17:27
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leachim6PLEASE someone tell me the name17:28
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leachim6I need it now please17:30
leachim6not to be impatient...17:30
GAN8001penguinbait has something17:30
GAN8001I don't know what he calls it.17:30
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leachim6right awesome17:30
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karatchovplz guys, anybody can tell me if esbox works ok in xp ? cause I'm having troubles with it right now17:33
RST38hESBox works on XP.17:33
RST38hBut my guess is that Scratchbox does not :)17:33
karatchovI'm trying to use it with a virutal machine17:34
karatchovalready downloaded it17:34
karatchovRST38h, any idea how should I install it ?17:34
leachim6can I get install-tools to work on 770?17:35
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RST38hkaratchov: You should start by installing Linux I guess17:36
RST38hAh ok17:36
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RST38hSo you probably want to install it inside that virtual machine17:36
leachim6can someone please help me get install-tools working on n770?17:36
leachim6I had it working before17:36
leachim6bt it's been a while17:36
karatchovactually, I read somewhere that I can install esbox and eclipse nativly in windows17:37
karatchovand use the virtual machine to compile & build17:37
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RST38hDunno, any mention of Eclipse makes me throw up, sorry17:38
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karatchovok, thanks anyway17:39
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leachim6I found it by the way...17:41
leachim6for anyone else who is interested17:41
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nickp45can somebody help me with a tablet problem?17:42
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leachim6no we only ignore problems in here...17:43
nickp45i'm using the latest version diablo and microb isn't letting use gmail or sign into anyother accounts17:44
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nickp45i've got ssl enabled as well as java script but it doesn't seem to help17:44
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nickp45tear worked fine for me but it doesn't support proxies which is a problem for me17:46
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crashanddie_timeless_mbp: around mate?17:55
timeless_mbpsorry. I'm taking minutes17:55
crashanddie_timeless_mbp: ping me if you're available17:56
infobotcrashanddie_ meant: timeless_mbp: ping me when you're available17:56
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leachim6I can't install osso xterm on my os200617:56
GAN800andre__, ping?17:56
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leachim6I click on the .install file from maemo.org17:57
leachim6and it keeps saying "Operation Failed"17:57
timeless_mbpyes yes. stop pinging me17:57
leachim6so can you guys help?17:57
andre__GAN800, pong17:57
andre__leachim6, what exact url?17:58
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leachim6how do I enable red pill mode on os2006 ?18:04
JaffaDanger, Will Robinson!18:04
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leachim6I know how to use it...18:04
nickp45are you using an n77p leachim6?18:05
nickp45o ok18:05
leachim6I tried adding a repo called matrix...18:05
leachim6but no dice...18:05
leachim6I remember before I got a dialog saying something like "CAUTION: Red Pill Mode Activated"18:05
leachim6or something like that18:05
leachim6nickp45, how do I do it?18:06
nickp45know what?18:06
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leachim6enable red pill mode18:07
RST38hleachim6: I think it is time for you to google a few things18:07
RST38hStarting with the red pill mode18:07
leachim6I did google it...18:07
leachim6I tried what it said...18:07
leachim6it didn't work...18:07
aquatixred pill is old18:07
leachim6my OS is old...18:07
RST38hI mean, before you break something =)18:07
aquatixwasn't it deprecated too?18:07
leachim6or red pill18:07
andre__enter "matrix" as URL, click "Cancel"18:07
aquatixred pill18:08
aquatixbut as andre__ says :)18:08
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leachim6click cancel ok18:08
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leachim6I was clicking ok and it just added an invalid source18:09
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GAN800andre__, try rtcomm, XChat, or MicroB18:09
andre__GAN800, comment on the report :)18:09
leachim6I try to install osso-xterm from maemo-hackers repo and I get "Packages Missing: libice6, libsme6"18:10
leachim6what's up with taht?18:10
GAN800andre__, little pressed for time atm. ;)18:10
andre__as if i'd remember all the numbers i see on one day :-P18:10
leachim6got it ->
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nickp45i'm using the latest version diablo and microb isn't letting use gmail or sign into anyother accounts18:17
nickp45any ideas?18:17
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VDVsxstupid question: what is the intended use of the 'chr' key in the n810 kb ?18:22
X-FadeVDVsx: Pop up the symbol menu?18:22
VDVsxX-Fade, lol, just learned a new thing, hehe18:24
VDVsxI was wondering because this key don't produce any known X event :)18:25
leachim6where can I get gainroot.deb18:25
leachim6I can't find it anywhere18:25
leachim6YES I googled it...18:26
infobotmethinks root is not a Good Thing to use when using IRC. Please use a different account.18:26
qwerty12VDVsx, the keycode produced is too high for X to understand. Xomap is hackzored to understand it, can't remember the bug #18:26
infobotfrom memory, root-access is
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VDVsxqwerty12, hum, don't know why I assigned this key to 'alt' in my app, strange, this remind me to never hack in a drunk state :P18:29
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fiferboylbt: I fixed a bug with scroll bar theming (for some reason it wasn't working any more with item views)18:34
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Stskeepshm, any sane sw for maemo that'll upload your gps position?19:11
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JaffaStskeeps: NAFAIK - no use case for it: GPS drains battery too fast and is too unreliable. Maybe something from Plazes or GeoClue?19:13
lcukwhy does gps drain battery, its a radio receive only19:14
StskeepsJaffa: oh, but i have a trick, only do it when i'm on DUN anyway19:14
Stskeeps=> i'm outside19:15
Stskeepslcuk: takes power to keep an antenna active19:16
lcukwireless radios work without batteries19:17
lcukmy radio in my little headphones system uses a battery mainly to power the headphones themselves19:17
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Stskeepslcuk: depends on hz and gain i guess..19:18
lcuki honestly thought before i got gps gadgets that gps was mostly passive and really battery efficient :$19:18
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* lcuk lived under a rock19:18
* andre__ dislikes mass-moving/tagging of bugs. now trigger more bugspam, andre!19:19
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qwerty12lcuk: the place mentioned in your hostname suggests that you still do :P19:19
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lcukhahaha fu19:20
timeless_mbpandre__: what are you doing?19:21
andre__timeless_mbp, moving *api* doc complaints to the corresponding packages and splitting that from dev platform docu19:22
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fiferboylbt: ping?19:26
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lbtHi fiferboy19:38
fiferboyHi.  I was just looking at what would need to be done to get webviews scrolling19:39
fiferboyIt does not look fun or pretty19:39
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lbtthey're moving to webkit too IIRC19:39
lbtnot paying huge attention19:39
fiferboyWell, it looks like QWebFrame would be the best place to implement, but everything is so abstracted to work with WebCore that things are a bit difficult19:42
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ShadowJKrst38h: doesnt n97 have same cpu as 5800, and aren't they more like n8x0 in terms of cpu power?19:46
lbtfiferboy: did my merged code all work for you?19:52
VDVsxShadowJK, a bit more freq, but the same arm 11 (n97 and 5800)19:52
fiferboylbt: Yep.  The OvershootStabilise look good, although there is sometimes a little flicker at the very end19:53
lbtalso setValue should be removable on overshoot19:53
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fiferboyI just wanted to make sure it would scroll all the way to the limit19:54
GAN800ShadowJK, N97 is a bit faster than the N800, 5800 a bit slower.19:54
fiferboyie, if you are scrolling to the top of a list and it goes from position 20 to position -1, it wouldn't stay at 20 when overshooting19:54
fiferboyBut it should only need to do it once, when position != limit19:55
lbtno.... but I think the overshoot happens when you are out of val bound19:55
VDVsxGAN800, and the new iphone, any guess for the cpu ?19:55
lbtand setVal happens as last step19:56
jophishhas anyone here ever had any trouble with the application manager?19:56
fiferboyOh, that's right.  setVal will happen before overshoot19:56
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ShadowJKnickp45: open up an xterm, type: export http_proxy=
ShadowJKnickp45: then type: tear19:59
ShadowJKworked for me last time I checked19:59
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dnearyI'm having a DNS issue in scratchbox20:02
dnearyI found this:
dnearyand so I tested whether wget could resolve - no20:02
dnearyI checked /sb/etc/nsswitch.conf - looks fine20:02
mgedminwhat about resolv.conf?20:03
dnearyhosts: files dns all round20:03
dnearyresolv.conf: nameserver
dnearyNo search lines20:03
dnearyThis is /etc/resolv.conf when in scratchbox20:04
mgedminand /scratchbox/etc/resolv.conf?20:04
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mgedminwhich is right?20:05
dneary(generated by NetworkManager)20:05
jophishchinook repositories should work with diablo?20:05
dnearyWell, I'd kind o' like to be used20:05
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dnearyWhich is the local nameserver20:05
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mgedminscratchbox likes to make a copy of your system /etc/resolv.conf, which tends to stop working when you move to a different network20:06
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dnearyAdded "nameserver" to the top of /sb/etc/resolv.conf, works now20:06
dnearymgedmin: Any way to force reinitialisation?20:06
dnearyI have already quit & restarted scratchbox several times20:06
mgedminvi /scratchbox/etc/resolv.conf :)20:07
mgedminIIRC when I got bored I installed dnsmasq on my host system and modified both resolv.conf's inside scratchbox to use
lcukahhh mgedmin perfect solution, startup vi, so then you get so frustrated trying to close vi you pop the battery20:07
* lcuk likes your logic20:07
mgedminhey, vi isn't that bad20:08
mgedminwhen I first ran into turbo pascal 3.0 I had to reboot because I couldn't find the editor exit key20:08
mgedminlater I read in a magazine that it was ctrl+k, ctrl+e20:08
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GAN800VDVsx, clearly Cortex, possibly custom?20:09
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lcuk<koen> "Although unannounced, the iPhone 3GS uses (again) a Samsung SoC but this time instead of the ARM11 + MBX-Lite combo it’s got a Cortex A8 and PowerVR SGX; just like the Pre."20:09
lcukfrom #bealge earlier20:09
lcuk#beagle even20:09
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GAN800Nokia falls behind again . . . sigh20:10
GAN800One giant me too.20:11
lcukis cortex next gen after the 3430?20:11
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wazd_A little more time for waiting and Nokia will be One giant "whatever" :)20:12
GAN800OMAP3430 is Cortex A8, PowerVR SGX, and C64x DSP.20:12
lcukso why is it behind then?20:12
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GAN800Because it's coming after everybody else's offerings.20:12
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lcukif thats the case, arent we about 18months behind the archos20:13
lcukand so everyone is following20:13
GAN800Direct competitors.20:14
lcukbut those are phones20:15
wazd_can anybody give me the link to that "1000 items to scroll" post?20:15
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wazd_from Quim20:15
lcukwazd_, i can probaably give oyu a link to where i scroll 25000 items in the graffiti view20:15
wazd_lcuk: yea-yea :D20:15
GAN800So is Rover.20:15
wazd_qwerty12: oh, thx :)20:16
lcukGAN800, mm? i know we have data but where is the info about full phone stuff?20:16
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GAN800Stskeeps, have you talked to the Touchbook?20:17
wazd_qwerty12: I have a complain! Screen keyboard does not pop up when I focus on the input fieald in "What should I do next" window in xChat20:17
GAN800Why else would it be 3.5"?20:17
wazd_it's like "Join the channel or leave me alone"20:17
StskeepsGAN800: no, feel free to establish a contact though20:17
GAN800If it's 3.5" and not a phone I'm finding another platform.20:18
qwerty12wazd_: I know, it sucks, I can't figure it out. :( On my N800, I choose the do nothing option and enter "/join #channel"in the normal chatting area20:18
wazd_qwerty12: yep, thats what I do :)20:18
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wazd_qwerty12: anyway, just to let you know :)20:18
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wazd_qwerty12: fix it or die!11 :D20:19
lcuk:D gan, i can prolly find 100 posts from you deriding the possibility of a combined all in one device :D20:20
JaffaYeah, but got to go with the best device available20:20
qwerty12wazd_: It was nice knowin..eek..20:20
lcuk(me doesnt object either way, i just want my data at home)20:20
GAN800lcuk, based on the available info at the time.20:20
* lcuk nods20:21
lcuki cant wait for nokia to announce the new "Pocketable" a3 tablet :D20:21
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lcuk400dpi OLED multicore20:22
* lcuk daydreams20:22
lcukyeah, need more of it20:23
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ShadowJKgps used to require more computational power than what PCs could offer :)20:26
thiagossis there something wrong with garage repositories?20:26
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lcuk~seen sopi20:27
ShadowJKso it's no wonder if modern gps receivers consume some power to track multiple satellites simultaneously and calculate a fix every second...20:27
infobotlcuk: i haven't seen 'sopi'20:27
JaffaAnyone know if Eclipse has ever been run *on ARM* (e.g. on a Beagleboard?)20:28
lcukShadowJK, ahhh, finally a real reason20:28
slonopotamusJaffa, no reasons why it shouldn't20:29
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Jaffaslonopotamus: I've not seen an ARM build of it, wondered if anyone had tried20:30
lcukeclipse is java tho isnt it?20:30
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* lcuk nearly said javascript20:30
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slonopotamusJaffa, build it yourself, lazy binary user :P20:31
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Jaffaslonopotamus: I imagine the Eclipse build process is complex and fiull of twisty turny passages; also, I have no ARM powerful enough for the task (yet)20:32
lcukplenty are powerful, its just you have imposed a timelimit20:33
slonopotamusJaffa, `emerge eclipse-sdk` :P what can be simpler?20:33
Luke-Jrslonopotamus: haha, no20:33
wazd_ok, is there a screenshot with maemo5 file choser?20:34
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Luke-Jrslonopotamus: I can't imagine that working20:34
slonopotamusluke-jr, why?20:34
Luke-Jrit's unreliable enough on desktop Gentoo20:34
Luke-Jrlet alone with the memory constraints of a handheld20:34
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slonopotamuswhat 'it'?20:35
Luke-Jreclipse-sdk ebuilds20:35
Jaffawazd_: Only ones I know of are screenshots from the SDK20:35
RazuHmm... any idea why gpe summary package doesn't seem to be available?20:35
slonopotamusnoone said handheld. Jaffa said arm.20:35
wazd_Jaffa: do you have one near?)20:35
Luke-Jrslonopotamus: :þ20:35
Jaffawazd_: afraid not20:35
Luke-Jrslonopotamus: btw, do you have distfiles still?20:35
slonopotamusdoesn't ubuntu have it prebuilt?20:35
Luke-Jrslonopotamus: we're needing pointercal and omapfb20:36
slonopotamusluke-jr, which?20:36
Jaffaslonopotamus: No, only x86_674 and x86 builds20:36
Luke-Jrslonopotamus: Mer pulled their source repo20:36
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slonopotamusi knew i shouldn't trust their repo20:37
Stskeepswhat, pulled? no20:37
Stskeepsthe PSU died20:37
slonopotamuspsu -  ?20:38
JaffaStskeeps: no, it's obviously a Nokia conspiracy to get more people to upgrade to Maemo 5 devices20:38
ShadowJKlet's complain to the manufacturer, it's a conspiracy!20:38
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ShadowJKit's stupid nobody competent is making sensibly-sized PSUs20:39
jophishgar, for some bizarre reason, nu n810 is resolving as, my other computer resolves it properly20:40
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jophishusing the same dns20:40
jophishno proxy involved20:40
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Luke-JrStskeeps: you plan to fix it? :þ20:40
Stskeepsthe psu? yes, when i have my exam over20:41
slonopotamusluke-jr, cleaned them up :(20:41
Stskeepsbut it might not stay forever, FYI20:41
slonopotamusStskeeps, still have nokia-tablets-pointercal_1.1.tar.gz ?20:41
Luke-Jrslonopotamus: ⁇20:41
Luke-Jrslonopotamus: I asked him that a while ago20:41
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Stskeepsslonopotamus: if you get a login for it will be easily accessible for you :)20:42
Stskeepsslonopotamus: we're working on it exporting the sources automatically20:42
slonopotamusoh crap. okay20:42
Luke-Jrslonopotamus: as you may have noticed, I have a distfiles mirror now if you can get the files ☺20:43
Luke-JrI have a binary package dir too, but I don't have the infrastructure to ensure I comply with the GPL :<20:43
Luke-Jrso I can't make it public20:43
slonopotamusluke-jr, yep. sadly, my hosting plan isn't suitable for mirrors20:44
Luke-Jrslonopotamus: hosting plan? I've got it on my home cable connection20:44
slonopotamuswell. we have a bit different worlds :) public ip (and, worse, static) are rare here20:45
Stskeepsnow luke doesn't have any excuse..20:46
Luke-Jrslonopotamus: lol20:46
slonopotamusStskeeps, okaaay, logged in :)20:46
Luke-JrI didn't even THINK of that20:47
slonopotamusluke-jr, bugmenot rocks :)20:47
StskeepsRST38h: re 7. Modify XTerm with the latest patches, including full-screen overlay keyboard. .. didn't you sign up for making this happen when quim came and asked?20:48
slonopotamusah, i remembered. b.o.o is unusable from microb. damn security alerts on _each_ page! can't they jjust fix their site?20:49
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Luke-Jryes, I'm like 5 steps ahead of you :þ20:51
Luke-Jrit's on my mirror already XD20:52
slonopotamusthat's because you have kb20:52
slonopotamusluke-jr, so, small policy - never ever use mer repos? :)20:53
Luke-Jrslonopotamus: I left Mer repos in the ebuilds20:53
Luke-Jrjust added my mirror20:53
Luke-Jrfor failover20:53
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slonopotamusluke-jr, btw. kernel, again. vanilla or omap?20:54
Luke-Jrslonopotamus: omap20:54
Luke-Jrslonopotamus: Stskeeps is going to get some Nokia employee drunk enough to give us the code.20:55
slonopotamusluke-jr, what is present there but not in vanilla (and important for us)?20:55
slonopotamuswhat code?20:55
Luke-Jrslonopotamus: no idea, I just haven't tried vanilla20:55
Luke-Jrthe GPS code20:55
* slonopotamus doesn't have gps20:55
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slonopotamusbut you should be happy :)20:56
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Luke-Jrslonopotamus: depends on how long he takes20:59
slonopotamusluke-jr, how's your libcal, btw?20:59
Luke-Jrdunno,  <.<21:00
Luke-Jrnot done21:00
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slonopotamus# git clone git://
slonopotamusfatal: The remote end hung up unexpectedly21:06
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thopiekarX-Fade, other admins: PING21:13
Stskeepsquick, hide!21:13
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thopiekarhi VDVsx21:14
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RST38hmoo all21:16
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thopiekarmoin RST38h21:16
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wazd_RST38h: heya21:29
wazd_RST38h: I'm doing the concept of ideal file-chooser right now :)21:29
inzObjectivity is a virtue21:29
Stskeepswazd_: it's called Norton Commander.21:30
wazd_Stskeeps: not manager, but chooser :)21:30
wazd_Stskeeps: and I'm pretty fine with vista explorer btw :)21:31
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Stskeepsgah21:47 seems down21:47
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lbtyep... just noticed that21:50
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jophishthw whole seems down22:13
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Stskeepsnot talk :P22:13
jophishvery sharp22:14
jophishglad it's not just me22:14
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lcuk~seen sopi22:17
infobotlcuk: i haven't seen 'sopi'22:17
lcukdamn still not here22:17
ProteousREADY YOURSELF!22:18
qwerty12_N810Still not got your phone? :P22:18
StskeepsProteous: should i be worried i was listening after rumbling sound when you said that?22:18
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jophishunder maemo, is it possible to relocate /home (to the internal card), without installing the bootloader22:20
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ProteousDamnit Nokia, ship me my phone plz22:25
Proteousthey did take the monies out of my account22:25
Proteousbut no ship confirmation yet22:25
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Proteousstill checking every 30 seconds...22:27
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jophishhmm, is there an easy way to take away the links to skype and other application links in the menu, I cant seem to delete them,22:28
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jeremiahseen X-Fade22:29
lbtjophish: install Mer.... ;)22:29
wazd_looks like whole gone down22:29
CutMeOwnThroat"panels"->status bar?22:29
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lbtI never got round to that ... irritates me still22:30
CutMeOwnThroatjophish, ^^^22:30
CutMeOwnThroaterr I mean task navigator -> applications has an "organize" button22:30
jophishbut I can't delete the links22:30
lcukjeremiah, i think hes upto his armpits in full blown maemo collapse22:31
jophishmer seems like an option22:31
lcukspeaking of which, why arent you on a plane there now lol22:31
lbtjophish: apparently installing and uninstalling does it...22:31
jeremiahlcuk: I'm a debian guy, our servers don't crash. :P22:31
jophishwhat about the games?22:32
jeremiahlcuk: When did implode?22:32
lbtjeremiah: no, they just get opened to all comers... ;)22:32
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jeremiahlbt: I don't think so22:32
lcukheh i dunno22:32
* jeremiah hits lbt on the head with a moldy rind of bacon.22:32
lcukbut people have been moaning about random bits half of the day22:32
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lbtmy cat wants food...22:33
lbtpass me the bacon22:33
jeremiahlbt: Funny, I just gave my cat some food.22:33
jophishjeremiah, I believe that is a debian server22:33
lbtI think she heard you!22:33
jeremiahjophish: Well, kinda. :P22:33
lcukthen its downstream isp22:33
lbtshe hears biscuits at 2000m22:33
jeremiahIt is a virtual machine sitting in a cluster of servers22:33
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lcukjeremiah, i decided, debian/ isnt as evil as autotools22:34
jeremiahThen it gets pushed out into the world with a CDN (akamai)22:34
jeremiahlcuk: autotools is much, much worse.22:34
jeremiahdebian/ is pretty easy after a bit.22:34
jeremiahNo black magic.22:34
jeremiahJust niggling little details.22:34
lcuki have nearly got package working :$ but i have lost my on device dev kit, my scratchbox and I have grey hair now22:35
lcukit is in fremantle autobuilder!22:35
lcukbut it doesnt show in app list apparantly :S22:35
suihkulokkisince people are talking about what distro is running, I take it I'm not the only one seeing it as down? ;)22:35
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Stskeepsthe main 770 WSOD'ed22:36
jeremiahsuihkulokki: No - apparently everyone knows but us.22:36
lbtcats fed22:37
* lbt is so under the paw22:37 the lions22:37
lbtnah, she's eating too22:37
lcukwicked :D22:37
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fiferboylbt: I am building with preliminary scrolling attempts22:39
Proteoussuihkulokki: was running on maemo2 on a nokia 77022:40
fiferboyIt compiled the files I changed (after typo correction) but it will probably screw up totally.22:40
lbtjust event tracking?22:40
lbtusing my fingerscroller with child monitor?22:40
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fiferboyYes, using your QASA code, modified to fit into QWebFrame (since scrollbars are accessed in a totally different way)22:41
fiferboyI cut out the child monitor for now to see if it even thinks about working, and because you apparently cannot just access qApp from within QWebFrame22:42
fiferboyI think it is because the whole webkit part is a module and not in the core of Qt22:42
fiferboyIt is under src/3rdparty/webkit/22:43
lbtyou sure you didn't just not #include <qApp> ?22:44
fiferboyThat could be it22:44
lbt#include "qapplication.h"22:44
lbtis in qasa.cpp ;)22:44
lbtit is possibly bad form though22:45
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fiferboyThat would likely fix it.  There is very little from the Qt core included in QWebFrame, I think for a reason22:45
lbt says it's a QObject...22:46
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lbtbut I guess no widget/gui toolkit stuff22:46
lbthi parigaudi22:46
lcuklbt, bouncy overshooting sides22:47
lcukhow can you select text with side overshooting?22:47
parigaudii can't get the camera example to build on diablo.22:47
lcukie if you grab it just moves entire thing22:47
fiferboyQtCore/qobject.h, QtCore/qurl.h, QtCore/qvariant.h, QtGui/qicon.h22:47
lbtlcuk: we have magic22:47
JamieBen1ettis down?22:47
fiferboyThose are the only core/gui includes I can see22:47
Stskeepsyes, it is22:47
parigaudipkgconfig doesn't find a .pc for gstreamer-interfaces-0.1022:47
JamieBen1ettoh dear22:47
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parigaudihow can i access the camera then?22:48
lcukparigaudi, "find / -name gstreamer" and see if its there22:48
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lbtfiferboy: I've not even looked at the source yet22:48
lcukif it is add the path to your PKG CONFIG path (whatever it is)22:48
fiferboyIt takes a LONG time to build webkit22:48
lbtheh yes22:49
lbtor native?22:49
fiferboyScratchbox in a virtualbox session22:49
lbtOh yes,22:49
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lbtyep ... just found that page... quite useful eh?22:52
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qkallhi i'm having a real problem getting my n810 into flash mode...22:54
qkalldoing as instructed (i think) and alas nothing it just boots normally...22:54
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wazd_power off - plug in usb - hold "home" - power on - continue to hold "home22:55
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qkalleven when it boots normally?22:56
qkallok i just assumed after it boots normally it didn't work... will continue to hold...22:56
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lcukqkall, if the usb icon isnt on at first and it starts to boot normally i think you are right and you have missed your window22:57
lcukdoes the usb icon come on at all22:57
lcukand if i were you i would try different key (the other one) just to be sure you arent going mad22:58
qkallno i hold it the entire time... nada...22:58
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lcukis the cable plugged in at the other end... and is it into computer direct or usb hub22:58
qkalland it boots up to the normal sceen... i'm sure i'm doing something wrong.. but i can't see to figure it out...22:58
qkall..hub... didn't think about that.. i'll put it in directly..22:58
JamieBennettqkall Yep could be a power over USB issue23:00
qkalllcuk: thanks so much... i don't think i would of though of suck a simple fix23:00
lcukdont worry, ive spent longer with a duff n80023:00
qkallhaha and i just find out that my n810 came with diablo...23:01
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qkalli could of sworn i had to update it to diablo...23:01
qkallwell learn new crap everyday...23:01
lcuki wonder if the new devices will come with music23:01
qkalli personally have no interest in the n900 simply because verizon has crappy signal where i live...23:02
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lcukfeh i will just have whatever is in front of me at the time, 8x0 is good enough to run stuff i want, so its a nice base :)23:03
mavhcyou can't use someone else?23:03
lcukthe idea of the always on data though is a big draw to 90023:04
mavhcthe idea of paying for data is a big undraw23:04
lcukdepends on whether you value your data :)23:05
lcuki nearly lost an entire weekend coming back from copenhagen last week23:05
qkalli got all excided to find out of a new device when i realized i could finally afford one (yay jobs)23:05
lcukall my data was locked in a corrupt memory card23:05
qkallthen found out its with verizon phone stuff...23:05
mavhcI value 2TB/$40, that's what my cable internet costs23:06
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avraamis there anyway to make Tear the default browser on the n810?23:06
Stskeepsi wish23:07
mavhcthat makes mobile data about 360 times more expensive than cable23:07
lcukcant you just kill/maim browserd23:07
lcukand add a new browser23:07
qkallkind of a side note... i like the change in the linux community.. when i first started to get into it... it was full of elitist and snobs.. but now.. everyone is so friendly... generally anyway...23:07
lcukwhich mimics calls23:07
ShadowJKlcuk: do you mean "comes with music", the as-much-DRMd-music-you-want scheme?23:10
lcukyeah :)23:10
parigaudifind found lots of gstreamer stuff but nothing gstreamer-interfaces23:10
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lcukparigaudi, apt-cache search gstreamer23:10
Macerwaiting for my gf at a park23:10
lcukand see which -dev lib you are missing23:11
ShadowJKMy N810 came with 3 songs and 2 music videos, I guess that doesn't count :)23:11
wazd_Are first and last images OK for you?23:11
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Stskeepswazd_: you're lacking a search bar there23:12
lcukffs wazd_ its a file selector - why not just do what liqbase does and INSTANTLY search when you press a key23:12
lcukthe intuitive expected thing23:12
Stskeepsmaybe in the chooser23:12
wazd_what bout images first?)23:12
wazd_ok, they are there23:13
wazd_wierd bug with FF23:13
lcuka user wouldnt click the scrollbar and expect to search23:14
wazd_lcuk: he would expect to scroll, right :)23:14
lcukyeah, so let him scroll23:15
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wazd_lcuk: well, in such small window items will pass by too fast. It's the same scrolling but made not for scrolling act but for finding something23:16
lcukif the ui changes drastically like that it makes it harder to see, he has already focused on the numbers to realise he is nowhere near where he wants to be23:16
lcukfinding is as simple as reducing the list when you type23:17
wazd_lcuk: typing sucks :) I don't want to pull out the keyboard :)23:17
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parigaudithe only two -dev packages that show up there are libgstreamer-plugins-base0.10-dev and libgstreamer0.10-dev , both of which are already installed at the newest version23:18
lcukwazd_, if typing sucks, none of us would be here, theres a reason we have keyboards on our devices now ;)23:19
wazd_lcuk: and anyway, if I'll want to find something starting with "P", I really don't want "porn" to show off in this list23:19
fiferboylbt: Looks like my compile isn't going to finish anytime soon23:20
lcukwazd_, you are already going to the P bits lol23:20
fiferboyI'll let you know how it went tomorrow, but I am not holding out any great hope23:20
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lbtnp... let me know23:21
fiferboyWill do23:22
lcukwazd_, the only reason why i am talking like this is because its in the liqbase-playground now and it works so nicely :$23:22
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lcukits a really efficient way to sort through lots of data23:22
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wazd_lcuk: let's imagine you don't know what's the name of the file23:24
lcukthen you just scroll down23:24
wazd_lcuk: it's #542 in the list :)23:24
lcuki guarantee that your mechism wont work in real life - theres very few folders all neatly numbered, what kind of logic would you use to determine the changing part23:25
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lcukthen type 54223:25
wazd_lcuk: In fact it works. Silgtly less advanced but works23:25
lcukthe human eye can keep up with a scrolling screen and if they are already looking for certain details it can be stopped easily23:26
wazd_lcuk: and not in liqbase :D23:26
lcukthats the same in RL with flipping through book pages23:26
lcukwazd_ :) the algo to detect changing part of a set of files will be flying around everywhere in a normal filesystem23:27
mavhcI don't get the last paragraph23:27
wazd_button = letter23:28
* wazd_ wonders how to edit this without "save" button :)23:28
wazd_Wordpress has fixed my blog!23:29
wazd_Well, there is a block with "publish/update" buttons in the editing panel. For almost a year it was gone in my blog :)23:31
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lcukwazd_, what would be nice is speed based scaling - so as you scroll down quickly it pans out slightly to let you see more overall files23:32
mavhcthat's interesting23:33
mavhcor just multitouch zooming23:33
lcuktwo touch allows it on these devices23:33
lcuki keep pondering a CTRL key23:33
lcukin the corner23:33
lcukand when you swipe over any list it changes the scale23:34
lcukbut i never get any time for stuff like that :)23:34
mavhcseen the palm pre selection thing, it's weird23:34
wazd_iriver have made something like this I think23:34
lcukpass, cant remember much of the vids23:35
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parigaudioddly enough a google for keywords "libgstreamer-interfaces maemo irc" leads me to an old log of this channel where inz says:23:36
parigaudi" Diablo's libgstreamer-plugins-base0.10-dev didn't include .pc for gstreamer-interfaces and diablo doesn't have playbin2 -element, otherwise it seems to work just fine "23:36
lcukheh - i expected you to say "<inz> i googled for  "libgstreamer-interfaces maemo irc" but found nothing"23:37
lcukparigaudi, its even worse when you google a topic to realize it was indexed from the topic you made yourself just a few minutes before23:37
lcukhappened on slashdot enough times to freak me out23:38
parigaudithe thing is: it's not a problem in _my_ installation but a missing file in a package it seems23:38
parigaudiand while inz had the same prob as me it seems, the irc log doesn't give a solution as to where i can get this file23:39
lcukdo you need the .pc file23:39
lcukit must be available you know23:40
parigaudiwell, i need to develop something using the camera, so i was trying to start with the camera example23:41
lcukcos looking in my liqbase makefile it uses pkg-config with gstreamer-0.1023:41
lcukyeah liqbase does camera stuffs too23:41
parigaudii have no probs with the other gstreamer modules tho, only gstreamer-interfaces23:41
lcuklibgstreamer0.10-dev is marked as a build-dep23:42
parigaudithat one is installed23:42
parigaudiand it contains 5 .pc files but not for gstreamer-interfaces23:43
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lcukpass, it gets the camera data without it23:44
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lcuktheres plenty of camera using examples around, its not like the camera is unloved23:44
lcukwhat do you need -interfaces for23:44
parigaudithe camera example seems to need it23:45
parigaudimaybe it's just in the makefile and not really used23:45
parigaudii'll try to throw that one out23:45
parigaudior link the library by hand23:45
parigaudiit's just that make example_camera fails because of that dependency23:46
lcukmaemo barcode is a gtk app23:46
lcukits got v similar deps as liqbase and works with camera23:46
lcukand no -interfaces requirement i can see23:46
lcukheh yes it does23:47
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parigaudibut directly, not via pkgconfig23:47
lcuk# libgstinterfaces-0.10 is defined here to work around23:47
lcuk# a bug in gstreamer's pkg-config23:47
lcukLDFLAGS=`pkg-config --libs $(LIBRARIES)` -lgstinterfaces-0.1023:47
* lcuk never put that fix into liqbase23:48
lcuki dont think its required23:48
lcukbut maybe lol23:48
* lcuk chopped a lot out of the cam23:48
parigaudifunny thing, that maemo-barcode thing looks quite like what i was about to do23:48
keesjwill qt on maemo give some pressure information when touched?23:49
lcukwell thats good then :)23:49
parigaudithough i was going for 2d barcodes with zxing23:49
parigaudithat part works and i basically only need to put a camera capture in front of it23:49
lcukkeesj, lbt and fiferboy should be able to tell you23:49
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keesjQTabletEvents are able to get the pressure value from the touchscreen.23:50
keesjthere is something I guess23:50
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lcukparigaudi, how well does it run on device23:52
lcukbeing java and all that23:52
jeremiah <------ Prototype for ITP23:52
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jeremiahCan people test? ^^23:52
jeremiahPlease, no comments about the colors. :P23:52
Stskeepswhere's the orange!23:53
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jeremiahStskeeps: Yeah, it needs more orange. :)23:53
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lcukis this a legal binding agreement lol23:53
Stskeepsi will do dummy stuff, if it's okay23:53
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Stskeepsjeremiah: works so far23:54
jeremiahlcuk: Whaddya mean?23:54
lcukwhen they give a package name23:54
lcukand you want them to confirm23:55
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lcukdont let them change it23:55
keesjcool typing "lua" gives some "exstings" comments stuff23:55
jeremiahAh, you think they _shouldn't_ be able to change it?23:55
keesjthe interface is a little "web 1.0" :p23:55
Stskeepskeesj: everything involved debian packages is usually web1.023:55
Proteousweb 0.523:55
lcukno, if you need a confirmation screen have it as a label rather than a text box23:55
ProteousAOL 8.723:55
jeremiahkeesj: Yeah, I wanted people not to package stuff twice.23:56
jeremiahlcuk: Yeah, you're probably right.23:56
jeremiahHey, I _love_ web .25 - that was all I needed!23:56
lcuk1 Packages already in maemo with a name like hello :23:56
lcukOthello board game for Maemo23:56
jeremiahCool, it works.23:57
ProteousLYNXs FTW!23:57
lcuk'; delete from user;23:57
jeremiahNo 'user' in the db!23:57
Pavlovn/win 3823:57
lcukjeremiah, i '; delete from user;23:57
keesjalso when I "confirm" I gues the field should not be editable23:57
Proteous'; delete * from users where username="lcuk";23:58
jeremiahkeesj: Yeah, lcuk mentioned that too.23:58
lcukthe screen is too similar23:58
lcukand because you dont have the "you already have this package" warning23:58
jeremiahProteous: Also won't work. :)23:58
jeremiahI'll change it now . . .23:58
Proteous'; drop tables *;23:59
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lcuk' or 1=0 or '23:59
lcukmakes the db go funny23:59
jeremiahPerl sanitizes the input.23:59
lcukor we slasdhotted it23:59
jeremiahworks for me!23:59
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