| misGnomer | and Atarii, the opendns didn't fix app manager's woes | 00:00 |
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| misGnomer | jott, only that one in /tmp/ | 00:01 |
| misGnomer | and microb loads pages just fine... | 00:02 |
| jott | so maybe your sources.list is broken or you have some stuff in /etc/hosts ... | 00:02 |
| misGnomer | hosts are: 127.0.0.1 / Nokia-N800-23-14 / localhost | 00:04 |
| misGnomer | well well, sources.list looks blank, although app manager sees the repos! | 00:07 |
| misGnomer | it should be at /etc/apt/sources.list, right? | 00:07 |
| jott | there is also /etc/apt/sources.list.d/* | 00:07 |
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| misGnomer | ok, there they are (in hildon-application-manager.list) | 00:09 |
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| misGnomer | I tried disabling all repos except Nokia SSU (can't edit). Same thing; it can't find what it's looking for at 127.0.0.1:8118 | 00:14 |
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| misGnomer | Should I start get worried now? ;-) | 00:15 |
| Mercury | What is is trying to connect to at port 8118 on localhost? | 00:16 |
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| misGnomer | how do I try that? | 00:16 |
| misGnomer | oh, App Manager is trying to fetch the package lists from the repos there | 00:17 |
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| misGnomer | "E: Failed to fetch http://catalogue.tableteer.nokia.com/certified/dists/diablo/Release.gpg Could not connect to 127.0.0.1:8118 (127.0.0.1). - connect (111 Connection refused) | 00:21 |
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| misGnomer | It gives this error for all the repos | 00:21 |
| Mercury | misGnomer: Pull up an xterm, 'ping -v catalogue.tableteer.nokia.com' | 00:22 |
| misGnomer | ping works ok (now how do I stop it!?) | 00:23 |
| Mercury | ctrl-c | 00:23 |
| Mercury | What IP is it pinging? | 00:23 |
| misGnomer | ok ctrl-c | 00:23 |
| misGnomer | 208.50.79.17 | 00:24 |
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| misGnomer | ping works, microb works, app manager just stares at localhost... | 00:24 |
| Mercury | That is bizarre, I have no ideas. | 00:24 |
| Kegetys | a proxy configures somewhere? | 00:25 |
| khertan_ | misGnomer ... i get this one time too | 00:25 |
| crashanddie | got* | 00:25 |
| khertan_ | proxy configured in connection ... | 00:25 |
| crashanddie | misGnomer & Mercury: there's one thing you missed: port 8118 | 00:25 |
| khertan_ | removed it ... and application manager still got the same error ... ( thx crashanddie) | 00:25 |
| crashanddie | and that's not HTTP | 00:25 |
| misGnomer | i had privoxy install in the past but removed it.. | 00:25 |
| crashanddie | well obviously you didn't | 00:26 |
| khertan_ | but apt-get update work | 00:26 |
| crashanddie | because apt-get doesn't use the proxy | 00:26 |
| khertan_ | it seems that application manager cache something somewhere | 00:26 |
| crashanddie | apt-get would use a proxy if you had a bash-configured proxy | 00:26 |
| khertan_ | :) | 00:26 |
| Mercury | Ah, hell, yeah, it's a proxy isn't it. | 00:26 |
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| misGnomer | so how did you fix the app manager? | 00:27 |
| crashanddie | misGnomer, you don't have to fix the app manager, just check your connection settings | 00:27 |
| crashanddie | misGnomer, find something that relates 8118 in there, and you have a done deal | 00:27 |
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| misGnomer | but the proxy is disabled | 00:28 |
| crashanddie | well, obviously, it isn't | 00:28 |
| misGnomer | so maybe I should try installing privoxy via apt-get? | 00:28 |
| crashanddie | what ? | 00:28 |
| crashanddie | Nooo | 00:28 |
| crashanddie | don't install anything | 00:29 |
| crashanddie | putain d'assistés merde quoi | 00:29 |
| crashanddie | misGnomer, go into settings -> control panel | 00:29 |
| crashanddie | double tap connectivity, then select connections | 00:29 |
| crashanddie | this should give you a list of connections that are saved in the NIT | 00:30 |
| crashanddie | select the one you're on right now | 00:30 |
| misGnomer | ok | 00:30 |
| crashanddie | click Edit, then when the dialog has loaded, hit next | 00:30 |
| crashanddie | hit next two more times | 00:30 |
| crashanddie | you'll see a "connection setup is complete" dialog, click advanced | 00:30 |
| crashanddie | and there you have it "use proxy" | 00:31 |
| misGnomer | "Use proxy" is not selected (but the old entries are there, greyed out) | 00:31 |
| crashanddie | hmm | 00:31 |
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| misGnomer | that's what I said | 00:31 |
| misGnomer | hmm | 00:32 |
| crashanddie | misGnomer, do you have gconf installed ? | 00:32 |
| misGnomer | nope. fresh diablo here | 00:32 |
| misGnomer | w/ stuff restored | 00:32 |
| khertan_ | crashanddie> lol | 00:33 |
| misGnomer | stuff that worked under Chinook | 00:33 |
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| khertan_ | crashanddie > y'a rellement un bug avec cette activation/désactivation de proxy | 00:33 |
| crashanddie | misGnomer, ok, apt-get install gconf-editor | 00:33 |
| misGnomer | so what if I try installing privoxy and then enable the proxy again? | 00:33 |
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| crashanddie | misGnomer, did you install it ? | 00:34 |
| khertan_ | http://jonnylamb.com/category/maemo-hildon/ | 00:35 |
| khertan_ | https://bugs.maemo.org/show_bug.cgi?id=998 | 00:35 |
| crashanddie | misGnomer, I need an answer | 00:35 |
| misGnomer | "couldn't find package"... | 00:35 |
| Blafasel | Funny enough. There's an article about the real possibility of a skype backdoor right now in front of me. | 00:35 |
| crashanddie | Blafasel, old news | 00:35 |
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| khertan_ | gconftool-2 -R /system/http_proxy use_http_proxy = true use_authentication = false host = toto ignore_hosts = [] authentication_user = authentication_password = port = 1 | 00:36 |
| Blafasel | crashanddie: One more reason not to use it | 00:36 |
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| khertan_ | lol ... a dev that let a debug 'toto' string | 00:36 |
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| khertan_ | misGnomer: this is a workaround | 00:37 |
| khertan_ | Just edit the connection in Connection Manager and in the "advanced" section: | 00:37 |
| khertan_ | o tick the proxy-enable box | 00:37 |
| khertan_ | o delete the proxy IP | 00:37 |
| khertan_ | o set the port to 0 | 00:37 |
| khertan_ | o untick the proxy-enable box | 00:37 |
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| crashanddie | well, I found it in a single google search, so mister incompetent should have been able to find it too | 00:38 |
| crashanddie | anyway, back to pushups | 00:38 |
| crashanddie | cheers | 00:38 |
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| misGnomer | ok khertan, was just looking for gcong-editor via maemo downloads web site | 00:39 |
| GNUton | night | 00:41 |
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| misGnomer | HEY PRESTO! Khertan... your workaround worked! | 00:44 |
| crashanddie | misGnomer, next time, google it | 00:45 |
| crashanddie | misGnomer, glad it works | 00:45 |
| misGnomer | crashanddie, trust me, I did try googling but when you don't know exactly what the problem is... sorry for the noise but thanks again all who helped. | 00:47 |
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| crashanddie | misGnomer, the dead giveaway was in your first error message really | 00:47 |
| crashanddie | 127.0.0.1:8118 | 00:47 |
| misGnomer | so the correct search string would've been...? | 00:48 |
| crashanddie | 8118 really isn't a common port, especially when the protocol is HTTP (as noted in the URL: "Failed to fetch http://catalogue.tablet..." | 00:48 |
| crashanddie | "application manager proxy maemo" | 00:48 |
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| crashanddie | the second link, without even clicking on it, reads: "The Application Manager gets its proxy configuration from the /system/http_proxy/ keys in GConf" | 00:49 |
| crashanddie | so that's why I told you to install gconf-editor | 00:49 |
| zfigz | Would it be stupid to have both gizmo and skype? And then just have them call forward each other? | 00:52 |
| zfigz | I really want the caller id that gizmo offers | 00:52 |
| misGnomer | you got it right but I had to look for gconf-editor via web since apt-get didn't fetch it and meanwhile khertan offered another idea. I apologize for not being geeky enough. | 00:53 |
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| crashanddie | misGnomer, that's alright, though, I used apt-get to install gconf-editor, so you might want to check your repos so you have access to all the joy | 00:54 |
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| GeneralAntilles | summatusmentis, beagleboard.org assuming you didn't find it. | 01:00 |
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| summatusmentis | GeneralAntilles: I didn't actually look, thanks :) | 01:00 |
| * GeneralAntilles 's "GA needs a Mac Pro" fund has really been gutted by ARM devices. | 01:00 | |
| GeneralAntilles | You should, the thing is badass. | 01:01 |
| summatusmentis | yeh, I'm looking for something pocketable | 01:02 |
| summatusmentis | so a complete device over a board | 01:02 |
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| * summatusmentis just got a tablet pc :) | 01:03 | |
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| Binky | Is Khertan here? | 01:09 |
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| Blafasel | lcuk: Anything to throw at me? ;) | 01:15 |
| lcuk | pm.. | 01:17 |
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| Atarii | quiet in here.... :( | 01:39 |
| housetier | its not the time ;) | 01:40 |
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| Atarii | is there a way to uninstall all the locales i never use? | 01:48 |
| Jaffa | My last few night's hacking have made the proof-of-concept Vala plugin for Eclipse almost usable: http://www.internettablettalk.com/forums/showthread.php?p=203154#post206712 | 01:49 |
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| Jaffa | Faffing with tools is so much more satisfying than actually writing code. | 01:49 |
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| pupnik | Atarii: you ask good questions... maybe search ITT forums for it, or the lists | 01:53 |
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| pupnik | neat Jaffa | 01:54 |
| Atarii | ooo localpurge | 01:55 |
| Atarii | s/localpurge/localepurge | 01:55 |
| Atarii | gah the localepurge site is dead | 01:56 |
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| pupnik | i use rm -r | 02:21 |
| pupnik | In case you never saw it. They pointed the hubble at a black patch of sky for 11 days, and captured this image of thousands of galaxies up to 78 billion light years away http://www.jonathanminard.com/EarthSpace/Hubble_Ultra_Deep_Field_Black_point_edit.jpg | 02:22 |
| gramulhaozin | they photoshoped it. | 02:24 |
| gramulhaozin | :P | 02:24 |
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| Jaffa | pupnik: cool | 02:33 |
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| AStorm | gramulhaozin: it'd show, no, it's genuine | 02:42 |
| gramulhaozin | :P | 02:43 |
| AStorm | these are *very* far from here | 02:43 |
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| gramulhaozin | asedeno: no it's not | 02:49 |
| gramulhaozin | AStorm: no it's not | 02:49 |
| AStorm | prove it | 02:49 |
| gramulhaozin | AStorm: the real version has some alien space shuffle's going around | 02:49 |
| AStorm | lol | 02:49 |
| AStorm | there is one here too | 02:50 |
| AStorm | but you can't see it, it's too far and too fast | 02:50 |
| AStorm | it takes some hours to get a "pixel" lit on this photo | 02:50 |
| AStorm | of staying in place and emitting light | 02:50 |
| gramulhaozin | AStorm: I'm waiting for the new space pics taken with N810 | 02:52 |
| AStorm | go out tonight and make them | 02:52 |
| AStorm | or better, do that in daylight | 02:52 |
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| AStorm | the camera is suck | 02:53 |
| gramulhaozin | sometimes I just think about the n810 as a brick of cheap parts | 02:55 |
| gramulhaozin | camera suckz | 02:55 |
| gramulhaozin | gps suckz | 02:55 |
| gramulhaozin | cpu suckz | 02:55 |
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| pupnik | point to a better cpu with the same power profile | 03:04 |
| lcuk | gramulhaozin, whats wrong with the cpu? | 03:05 |
| gramulhaozin | it's not from me | 03:05 |
| gramulhaozin | it's from reading about it | 03:05 |
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| lcuk | we are only using about 1/3 its optimal power | 03:06 |
| lcuk | and that third is having to do everything :'( | 03:06 |
| lcuk | evening pupnik btw | 03:07 |
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| pupnik | hey the openmoko statusbar icons are stolen from maemo (?) | 03:09 |
| pupnik | morning lcuk | 03:10 |
| lcuk | i saw hrw in today asking - they are cc | 03:10 |
| lcuk | or something | 03:10 |
| Atarii770 | Which | 03:12 |
| lcuk | ubuntu carry them as well | 03:12 |
| pupnik | achaa... bluetooth, wlan icons etc | 03:13 |
| lcuk | http://mg.pov.lt/maemo-irclog/%23maemo.2008-07-24.log.html | 03:13 |
| lcuk | search for scratchbox icons | 03:13 |
| GAN800 | Somebody else with soft poweroff troubles want to jump in on bug #2400. | 03:15 |
| lcuk | are those the ones pupnik | 03:16 |
| pupnik | ah ty lcuk | 03:18 |
| lcuk | i didnt realise they were for openmoko, but it makes sense | 03:19 |
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| lcuk | does anyone know of a concise way for me to make a tap or a click sound at any arbitary point? i would like to get some feedback from the liqbase menu | 03:41 |
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| pupnik | http://www.google.com/search?hl=en&ie=UTF-8&oe=UTF-8&q=alsa+programming ? | 03:47 |
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| henrique | hey guys, we are going to write a viewer (vector based) for gps navigation... we are free to contribute this code to some project related, probably maemo-mapper | 03:51 |
| henrique | my doubt is if there is some data provider for these "vector data" needed | 03:51 |
| henrique | freely available in the internet, so everyone can use without problems | 03:52 |
| pupnik | openstreetmap? | 03:52 |
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| henrique | they supply vector based info? or just raster images? | 03:53 |
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| johnx | both I thought | 03:53 |
| henrique | let me check, that would be great! | 03:54 |
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| ds3 | TIGER | 03:59 |
| johnx | ds3, great in the US... | 04:00 |
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| ds3 | complain to the local gov ;) | 04:02 |
| johnx | lulz | 04:02 |
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| chrisak- | I'm having a terrible time finding a game to reinstall... something like 'gplanetary' ... to I have the name wrong? | 04:07 |
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| johnx | describe it a little | 04:08 |
| chrisak- | it was like untangling designs by moving dots around | 04:09 |
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| PupUser9b98cb | Hi, I need to set my timezone to America/Phoenix, but that's not available. (n810) | 05:14 |
| GeneralAntilles | The OMAP2420 is a hot CPU. | 05:14 |
| GeneralAntilles | Screen is awesome, case is awesome, wifi is awesome, Bluetooth is fine. | 05:14 |
| GeneralAntilles | A small number of the parts are cheap | 05:14 |
| GeneralAntilles | GPS and camera | 05:14 |
| johnx | PupUser9b98cb, Does Phoenix do something strange with DST compared to other cities in that timezone? | 05:15 |
| johnx | nm, googled | 05:15 |
| PupUser9b98cb | We do not observe daylight savings time in Arizona. | 05:15 |
| PupUser9b98cb | I'm actually in Tucson. | 05:16 |
| PupUser9b98cb | I have root shell on the n810 if that helps. | 05:16 |
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| johnx | PupUser9b98cb, why not set to denver and unclick DST zone? | 05:18 |
| PupUser9b98cb | I think it was screwed up by the lcars theme, I'm just re-flashing it. | 05:19 |
| PupUser9b98cb | I just got it today. :-) | 05:19 |
| johnx | having fun so far? | 05:19 |
| PupUser9b98cb | Yes! | 05:19 |
| johnx | GeneralAntilles, so what was the OMAP2420 commercial about? | 05:19 |
| PupUser9b98cb | openssh server and client, paired and internet access through my phone, you can't beat it! | 05:19 |
| GeneralAntilles | Somebody said the CPU sucks | 05:20 |
| GeneralAntilles | which is quite clearly not the case. | 05:20 |
| johnx | yeah, wish my phone had BT... | 05:20 |
| PupUser9b98cb | I have an unlimimted data pkan through Sprint SERO. | 05:20 |
| PupUser9b98cb | Muahahahahaha! | 05:20 |
| johnx | isn't that "unlimited (5GB limit)" now? | 05:21 |
| PupUser9b98cb | Not to my knowledge? | 05:21 |
| johnx | nevermind then | 05:21 |
| johnx | I thought I heard they were going to change or something | 05:21 |
| PupUser9b98cb | My plan is a year or more old if that makes a difference? | 05:21 |
| johnx | PupUser9b98cb, http://www.phonescoop.com/news/item.php?n=3033 is what I was thinking of | 05:22 |
| PupUser9b98cb | Mine is not a tethering plan, so we'll see... | 05:23 |
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| PupUser9b98cb | Not sure I'll exceed 5M anyway. | 05:25 |
| johnx | yeah, if it's not your primary inet access you should be fine I guess | 05:26 |
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| PupUser9b98cb | Is there a vnc viewer for maemo? | 05:44 |
| johnx | I think so | 05:44 |
| johnx | google knows all :) | 05:44 |
| PupUser9b98cb | :) | 05:44 |
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| F-i-G | oi | 05:57 |
| F-i-G | hey fellas | 05:57 |
| F-i-G | Anyone know the gizmo SIP settings for the default internet call app? | 05:58 |
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| F-i-G | I'd like to take advantage of the blinking blue light and just not use the gizmo client. | 05:58 |
| F-i-G | Hello? | 05:59 |
| bef0rd | Hi | 05:59 |
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| F-i-G | bef, would you know the settings for gizmo's sip? | 06:00 |
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| bef0rd | I think that current rtcomm beta includes a profile for Gizmo sip | 06:01 |
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| bef0rd | let me check | 06:02 |
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| F-i-G | Thanks bef | 06:03 |
| F-i-G | Making the move from skype to gizmo | 06:03 |
| F-i-G | Caller ID is essential | 06:03 |
| bef0rd | http://rtcomm.garage.maemo.org/ | 06:03 |
| texel | Hm. Anybody know what osso-software-version-rx44 is for? | 06:04 |
| bef0rd | F-i-G, http://www.internettablettalk.com/forums/showthread.php?t=7903 | 06:04 |
| F-i-G | Thanks bef0rd | 06:05 |
| F-i-G | oh | 06:05 |
| F-i-G | I just tried that | 06:05 |
| F-i-G | hmm | 06:05 |
| F-i-G | i must be doing something wrong | 06:05 |
| F-i-G | after @ what do you put? | 06:05 |
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| F-i-G | hmmm | 06:09 |
| F-i-G | yeah | 06:10 |
| F-i-G | i don | 06:10 |
| F-i-G | i don't know if that's what im doing wrong or not | 06:10 |
| F-i-G | what to put after the @ that is | 06:10 |
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| F-i-G | hmmpf | 06:11 |
| F-i-G | can someone show me what they're using for their settings? | 06:11 |
| bef0rd | my profile for siphone/gizmo is proxy01.sipphone.com | 06:12 |
| bef0rd | erhm I mean, it says proxy01.sipphone.com after the @ | 06:12 |
| GAN800 | proxy01.sipphone.com is the important part. | 06:12 |
| F-i-G | sweet | 06:13 |
| F-i-G | I'll try that | 06:13 |
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| F-i-G | sweet | 06:27 |
| F-i-G | that works pretty good | 06:27 |
| F-i-G | and i like the internal app much better | 06:27 |
| F-i-G | awesome | 06:27 |
| F-i-G | time to buy a number | 06:27 |
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| rm_you | lcuk: lol damnit | 06:57 |
| rm_you | lcuk: so i got that all done and ready and then set down n800 on the table to put on socks and shoes, and forgot to pick it up again >_< | 06:57 |
| rm_you | so instead of reading i just walked to a sandwich shop and had lunch for an hour | 06:57 |
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| F-i-G | man | 08:14 |
| F-i-G | putting an sd card into a n810 is a bitch | 08:14 |
| F-i-G | does it not stay in or wha? | 08:14 |
| F-i-G | It's in the sandisk adaptor and wow | 08:15 |
| F-i-G | it doesn't stay in | 08:15 |
| Mercury | F-i-G: Er, what sort of SD card are you trying to put in? | 08:16 |
| F-i-G | i got it in | 08:17 |
| F-i-G | but it sure is finicky to get in | 08:17 |
| F-i-G | time to download torrents | 08:17 |
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| F-i-G | well | 08:21 |
| F-i-G | it's not being recognized now...i just created directories and then poof | 08:21 |
| F-i-G | no longer there | 08:21 |
| F-i-G | man | 08:23 |
| F-i-G | does anyone have tips on keeping this sucker in? | 08:23 |
| Toba | is it mini or micro sd | 08:23 |
| Toba | micro sd needs an adapter | 08:23 |
| F-i-G | micro sd | 08:23 |
| Toba | and if you don't have one, well obviously it's going to not stay in. | 08:23 |
| F-i-G | in an adaptor | 08:23 |
| Toba | ...oh. | 08:23 |
| F-i-G | I do have on | 08:23 |
| Toba | shit. | 08:23 |
| F-i-G | *e | 08:23 |
| F-i-G | it recognizes it | 08:23 |
| Toba | that's pretty f | 08:24 |
| F-i-G | but then kinda pops out | 08:24 |
| Toba | ail | 08:24 |
| Toba | what model do you have, I don't want to buy that one :( | 08:24 |
| Toba | (the card & adapter not your nokia) | 08:24 |
| F-i-G | N810 | 08:24 |
| F-i-G | oh | 08:24 |
| F-i-G | not sure | 08:24 |
| F-i-G | via amazon | 08:24 |
| Mercury | Link to the one you bought? | 08:25 |
| Mercury | So we can avoid it? :) | 08:25 |
| F-i-G | http://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B0012Y2LLE | 08:25 |
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| F-i-G | http://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B000TLXCDW | 08:26 |
| Toba | duly noted | 08:26 |
| * Toba bed | 08:26 | |
| F-i-G | argh | 08:27 |
| F-i-G | this blows | 08:27 |
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| Khertan_n810 | Hi ! | 08:35 |
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| brontide | Evening Khertan_n810 | 08:42 |
| Khertan_n810 | morning brontide :) | 08:42 |
| brontide | It's morning there... I should be sleeping | 08:43 |
| F-i-G | uh | 08:43 |
| Khertan_n810 | :) 7:40 am here | 08:43 |
| F-i-G | would anyone know why/how i lost access to both my internal and removal storage? | 08:43 |
| F-i-G | what the hell | 08:44 |
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| brontide | Is this because of the wrong size SD card you are using? | 08:44 |
| F-i-G | no no | 08:44 |
| F-i-G | it's not the wrong size | 08:44 |
| F-i-G | i was just pushing it in and it was popping it out | 08:45 |
| Khertan_n810 | lost access ? in which way ? | 08:45 |
| F-i-G | both the internal and removable | 08:45 |
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| F-i-G | argh | 08:45 |
| brontide | it keeps popping out ( according to my logs ) | 08:45 |
| F-i-G | I no longer have access to the internal or removable storage space. | 08:46 |
| brontide | Have you rebooted after the problems with storage earlier http://mg.pov.lt/maemo-irclog/%23maemo.2008-07-25.log.html#t2008-07-25T08:14:41 | 08:46 |
| F-i-G | Yeah | 08:47 |
| F-i-G | I've rebooted several times now | 08:47 |
| brontide | Do you have any ideas, logs, dmesg, anything that says WHY the internal is not mounting? | 08:48 |
| F-i-G | I should sleep | 08:48 |
| F-i-G | I'm checking in the file manager | 08:48 |
| F-i-G | should i be checking elsewhere? | 08:48 |
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| brontide | sleep on it... the next step is really getting into the terminal to figure out what's going on | 08:49 |
| F-i-G | aye aye | 08:49 |
| F-i-G | sleeping on it | 08:49 |
| brontide | Khertan_n810: how bad with the "quirks" in the google calendar data api's. I've run into one or two "bugs" in the documents api will erquire coding around | 08:52 |
| * brontide shoots typist | 08:52 | |
| Khertan_n810 | brontide > like a google intern dev says : | 08:53 |
| Khertan_n810 | 'there is no bug ! it s features' | 08:53 |
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| brontide | heh | 08:53 |
| Khertan_n810 | sometimes date are return in different format for the same call | 08:53 |
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| Khertan_n810 | it s due to how google store data | 08:54 |
| brontide | Neat trick, I should try that sometime with my timecard | 08:54 |
| brontide | see how HR feels about it | 08:54 |
| Khertan_n810 | don t see gdata as an traditionnal db | 08:54 |
| brontide | It's hardly even atom at times ;-) | 08:54 |
| Khertan_n810 | brontide > what bug do u see ? | 08:54 |
| Khertan_n810 | so it s not gdata :) | 08:55 |
| brontide | The server doesn't even acknowledge category changes for DocumentListEntry | 08:55 |
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| brontide | So you can't star/unstar/move to folder | 08:55 |
| Khertan_n810 | hum and what say the api doc ? | 08:56 |
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| Khertan_n810 | i m currently studying tghe contact api :) | 08:56 |
| Khertan_n810 | for mContacts :) | 08:56 |
| brontide | The API docs are silent on the move to folder, but starring and unstarring is in the codebase for java... it just doesn't work. You can see categories applied through the web, but not change them through the API | 08:57 |
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| Khertan_n810 | made a search on google group aboutt | 08:59 |
| Khertan_n810 | it | 08:59 |
| Khertan_n810 | or post a report google dev will answer u about that | 08:59 |
| brontide | http://code.google.com/p/gdata-python-client/issues/detail?id=146 | 08:59 |
| brontide | So if you know a better place to post let me know | 08:59 |
| brontide | I really would like folders since it would make it SOO much easier to sync documents | 09:01 |
| Khertan_n810 | lol wontfix | 09:01 |
| Khertan_n810 | category aren t currently supported | 09:02 |
| Khertan_n810 | i think it ll be in a near futur | 09:02 |
| * brontide goes of and screams at the sky some more | 09:03 | |
| brontide | like I said "quirks" :-) | 09:03 |
| brontide | anyways... off to bed. I might get 4 hours of sleep before the 2 year old awakes | 09:06 |
| Khertan_n810 | :) | 09:07 |
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| oilinki | how about adeona for maemo | 09:34 |
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| oilinki | http://adeona.cs.washington.edu/ | 09:34 |
| oilinki | that could include aircrack, gps location, pictures etc. so that the tablet would try to find out the route to the server if the user fails to authenticate to the application. | 09:35 |
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| jitu3485 | Hi Error message how to resolve inside Scantch-box "(libosso >= 1 osso-ic) were not met:" | 09:59 |
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| Khertan | Hello again (copyright Apple Computer 1986) | 10:48 |
| XTLi | Falls under fair use I hope | 10:49 |
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| hrw | morning | 10:50 |
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| Khertan | Does http://tabletschool.blogspot.com/ accept any comments or is it only mine ? | 10:52 |
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| arnooo | Hi @al | 11:17 |
| arnooo | I'd like to know if the RX-34_DIABLO_4.2008.23-14_PR_COMBINED_MR0_ARM.bin, is the last firmware for the N810 ? | 11:18 |
| qwerty12 | That's not even for an N810. N810 = RX-44 | 11:18 |
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| arnooo | ok, I've just seen this, sorry for the noise | 11:20 |
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| arnooo | In fact, I'd like to know if the contact management under N810 differs from what I can actually see under N800 | 11:21 |
| arnooo | In the N800, I can't create a "postal" address for my contacts | 11:22 |
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| Khertan | http://maemo.org/downloads/ | 11:23 |
| Khertan | the firmware and application is almost the same for n810 and n800 | 11:23 |
| arnooo | Khertan : thx | 11:25 |
| arnooo | So, sorry for being annoying but I'm really new in the maemo galaxy | 11:25 |
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| arnooo | Do you know if there's a "real" PIM available for the N8*0 | 11:26 |
| qwerty12 | Hmm, "/dev/mtdblock4 249.5M 244.9M 4.6M 98% /" :/. Localepurge time... | 11:27 |
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| lbt | morning all | 11:33 |
| lbt | I have some ~ hildon questions... if you create an app that doesn't do the dbus registering thing then I've read that it gets killed after "a while" | 11:34 |
| lbt | is this logged anywhere? | 11:34 |
| lbt | so I know it was killed and didn't die... | 11:34 |
| lbt | also, does this apply to correctly built apps started from the command line? | 11:35 |
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| qwerty12 | "This name is used to register a name on the D-Bus, | 11:38 |
| qwerty12 | and this will keep the task killer from killing the process later on (assuming the application was started via the Task navigator)." - shouldn't apply to the command line | 11:38 |
| lbt | ah - so the task-nav thing only kills things it starts - (makes sense but you never know) | 11:40 |
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| hrw | arnooo: no pim for maemo | 11:40 |
| lbt | My app just dies after a random time - usually when it's doing nothing | 11:41 |
| lbt | (eg pop-up keyboard is up and I'm chatting before I type anything - poof!) | 11:42 |
| lbt | *never* happens on Xephyr | 11:42 |
| lbt | I'll get the gdb stuff up on the tablet and see what I can see... | 11:42 |
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| Khertan | arnoo > there is mContact that is still in dev | 11:43 |
| Khertan | and not available yet | 11:43 |
| Khertan | mCalendar ... which is a dev version too :) | 11:44 |
| Khertan | but available in extras devel repository ... | 11:44 |
| XTLi | Doesn't gpe have a pim? | 11:44 |
| arnooo | Khertan: Do you know if there's some release date for those softs ? | 11:44 |
| Khertan | else : there is also gpe pim, or Date, Tasks, Todo, from pimlico | 11:44 |
| Khertan | arnooo > when i ll finish it :) | 11:44 |
| arnooo | Khertan : ;') | 11:45 |
| Khertan | i must add alarm to mCalendar | 11:45 |
| Khertan | and sometimes sync with google fails ... | 11:45 |
| Khertan | don't know why yet | 11:45 |
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| Khertan | it s work for me ... but somes have errors :) | 11:48 |
| housetier | yay planning for the summit is going forward! | 11:50 |
| hrw | pim and maemo... | 11:51 |
| hrw | by default you have Contacts which do not support birthdays, postal addresses... | 11:51 |
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| hrw | or you can install gpe pim which do not use maemo Contacts database so you get those data twice... | 11:51 |
| Khertan | hrw > you can resume by ... 'by default you have Contacts which do not support' | 11:51 |
| hrw | or you can install pimlico contacts which share with maemo contacts + dates (no alarms) + tasks | 11:52 |
| XTLi | There's threads about that on the list or itt | 11:52 |
| Khertan | or Contact from pimlico that use eds ... and contact are shared between nokia contact and pimlico contact | 11:52 |
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| Khertan | XTLi > there is a stupid post on tabletschool about it ... which list only gpe | 11:53 |
| hrw | or you can try mcalendar which is only calendar now and I do not know does it works without google or not | 11:53 |
| Khertan | it works :) | 11:53 |
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| Khertan | no error from google should happen now, since this morning :) | 11:53 |
| Gukil | Khertan see your PM | 11:53 |
| Alfred_Jin | hi all | 11:53 |
| Alfred_Jin | how can if stop the process : /usr/bin/osso-connectivity-ui-conndlgs | 11:53 |
| Khertan | except some from low connection and reset by peer :) | 11:54 |
| Khertan | Gukil > ? | 11:54 |
| hrw | I want pim which use contacts from maemo but allow to extend it with more fields + calendar which has working alarms, timezones, recurence, attenders, categories, colours | 11:54 |
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| lbt | hrw: I think that's what the sdk is for ;) | 11:54 |
| Khertan | lol | 11:55 |
| Khertan | hrw > mContact should provide sync with google ... but also with maemo eds ... | 11:55 |
| Khertan | but eds sync isn't a priority for me :) | 11:55 |
| lbt | (nb.... so do I) | 11:55 |
| Khertan | at this time i work mainly on google sync ;) | 11:55 |
| Khertan | as i ven't any contact in eds :) | 11:56 |
| hrw | Khertan: I do not care about google ;) | 11:56 |
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| hrw | and I use maemo contacts for IM/VoIP | 11:56 |
| hrw | lbt: do I look like person with lot of free time? :) | 11:56 |
| XTLi | Likewise | 11:56 |
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| Firebird8 | Hi, lately my n810 has been complaining theres no memory left when theres 900 some mb os space left, any way to resolve this? | 11:56 |
| lbt | yes. | 11:56 |
| Khertan | hrw > you get more if you don't waste your time talking here :) | 11:57 |
| XTLi | Syncing contacts with im systems is nice | 11:57 |
| lbt | it's 10am and you're on irc... say no more... | 11:57 |
| hrw | lbt: irc in background is normal in my work | 11:57 |
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| XTLi | Outside that I don't really care on a device like this | 11:57 |
| Khertan | Firebird8 > sudo rm -rf / | 11:57 |
| Firebird8 | -... | 11:57 |
| Khertan | Firebird8 > don't do this ... joke | 11:58 |
| Firebird8 | nvm then | 11:58 |
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| hrw | and I like to have all pim data on device not "somewhere online" as I am not online all the time | 11:58 |
| Binky | Hi everyone | 11:59 |
| Gukil | Khertan > look your pv its urgent thx :) | 12:00 |
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| Blafasel | Morning | 12:15 |
| Binky | Blafasel, hi | 12:16 |
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| cven | good morning | 12:22 |
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| mikkov_ | hmm, autobuilder isn't forwarding binaries to extras-devel... | 13:17 |
| X-Fade | mikkov_: Which package? | 13:18 |
| mikkov_ | barrage and everythin build since sometime yesterday | 13:19 |
| Khertan | X-Fade > i ve the same problem with mCalendar | 13:19 |
| Khertan | homeip | 13:19 |
| Khertan | homecalendar | 13:19 |
| X-Fade | Ok, let me check ;) | 13:20 |
| Khertan | euh not homecalendar | 13:20 |
| mikkov_ | sources are forwarded | 13:20 |
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| Khertan | homecpuspeed/ 25.07.2008 06:01 - | 13:20 |
| Khertan | homediskfree/ 25.07.2008 06:01 - | 13:20 |
| Khertan | homememfree/ | 13:20 |
| Khertan | :) | 13:20 |
| mikkov_ | i think problem started since builder: builder2 | 13:20 |
| mikkov_ | appeared in logs | 13:20 |
| Khertan | yes ... as mcalendar previous version builded before has no prob | 13:21 |
| X-Fade | There is nothing in the incoming queue. So let's see what happened ;) | 13:22 |
| X-Fade | It seems that the files in the repository.. | 13:24 |
| X-Fade | http://repository.maemo.org/extras-devel/pool/diablo/free/b/barrage/ | 13:25 |
| mikkov_ | I don't see it | 13:25 |
| X-Fade | Ah, the files are there. But they aren't in the Package database. | 13:26 |
| Khertan | X-Fade > for homeip 0.1.0-1 there is no file in directory if i believe http://repository.maemo.org/extras-devel/pool/diablo/free/h/ | 13:28 |
| mikkov_ | seems like that the directories don't show up even if they are there | 13:29 |
| lcuk2 | lbt | 13:30 |
| mikkov_ | http://repository.maemo.org/extras-devel/pool/diablo/free/h/homeip/ | 13:30 |
| lcuk2 | i see your app is vanishing, its not because of hardware events like the screensaver etc is it - ie you are not bailing out like liqbase does? | 13:30 |
| lcuk2 | (or rather i see your posting about your app vanishing) | 13:30 |
| qwerty12 | lcuk2: Nah, dbus can be a little picky. I wrote a wrong dbus service file and the navigator killed it. | 13:31 |
| lcuk2 | damn, back later | 13:31 |
| lcuk2 | ahhhhhh qwerty12 | 13:32 |
| crashanddie | anyway, time for some food, and more importantly: COFFEE | 13:32 |
| lcuk2 | mmmm coffee | 13:32 |
| * qwerty12 fires up the xbox and plays hot coffee | 13:32 | |
| * lcuk2 tells ur mum | 13:32 | |
| * crashanddie fires up the PS3 and shows qwerty12 how Next Gen games are *supposed* to look like... In true HD | 13:33 | |
| * lcuk2 wishes he could fire up his powervr and show you all how its meant to be done... | 13:33 | |
| qwerty12 | PS3 would still pwn that | 13:34 |
| MangoFusion | you could cheat with a video stream | 13:35 |
| MangoFusion | ;) | 13:35 |
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| X-Fade | mikkov_: Better now? | 13:36 |
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| Jaffa | MangoFusion: ah, the noBounds approach to cool things. | 13:37 |
| mikkov_ | need to apt-get update.. | 13:37 |
| * Jaffa was somewhat surprised someone suggested noBounds as a demo for the OSiM World booth. | 13:37 | |
| X-Fade | Jaffa: We already suggested it for LinuxTag. | 13:37 |
| mikkov_ | X-Fade: still doesn't work | 13:40 |
| mikkov_ | X-Fade: http://repository.maemo.org/extras-devel/pool/diablo/free/b/ no barrage | 13:41 |
| X-Fade | mikkov_: Hmm ok, I now see the problem. The caching network. | 13:41 |
| Khertan | lol | 13:41 |
| Khertan | still this problem | 13:41 |
| Khertan | removing it could solve more than keep it :) | 13:41 |
| mikkov_ | X-Fade: should I wait a bit? | 13:41 |
| Khertan | x-fade > samething for homediskfree ? | 13:42 |
| * Jaffa has filed noBounds squarely in the "mis-understood, mis-reported and doesn't do what people think" category | 13:42 | |
| X-Fade | mikkov_: If you are in a hurry, replace repository.m.o by stage.m.o ;) | 13:43 |
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| Khertan | yes same things :) | 13:45 |
| Khertan | thx x-fade | 13:45 |
| X-Fade | mikkov_: I will inform the caching network guys. | 13:45 |
| mikkov_ | X-Fade: just would like to announce this great game ;) thanks | 13:45 |
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| Khertan | kick off them :) | 13:46 |
| * mgedmin has flights to berlin confirmed | 13:47 | |
| X-Fade | mgedmin: Nice ;) | 13:47 |
| cven | kwel! | 13:47 |
| X-Fade | mgedmin: Put it up on the Travel page ;) | 13:47 |
| mgedmin | just did ;) | 13:47 |
| X-Fade | Ah :D | 13:47 |
| GeneralAntilles | Jaffa, hehe. | 13:47 |
| GeneralAntilles | That's gonna be the disappointment of a lifetime the way some people are freaking out over it. | 13:48 |
| Jaffa | GeneralAntilles: indeed | 13:48 |
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| mikkov_ | yeah noBounds isn't anything that some people seem to think | 13:50 |
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| Jaffa | "Magical pixies can come along and give me smooth 3D rendering at HD resolutions... and cure world hunger, and the credit crisis" | 13:52 |
| qwerty12 | Really? Where? | 13:52 |
| lcuk2 | jaffa - not magical pixies, its most likely the xp operating system underneath | 13:53 |
| lcuk2 | its 2 apps running | 13:53 |
| Jaffa | lcuk2: indeed, this *I* know ;-) | 13:53 |
| lcuk2 | liqbase could do similar compiled on 2 systems ;) im even playing with networking stuff atm | 13:53 |
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| lcuk2 | jaffa, this vala stuff you are doing, it compiles back to native c doesnt it | 13:55 |
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| Khertan_n810 | Hi ! again ! ;) | 13:55 |
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| Khertan_n810 | i m tired of this gdata ... permanently get 'connection reset by peer' trying to get my contact ! | 13:56 |
| Jaffa | lcuk2: yep | 13:56 |
| Khertan_n810 | only 20 contacts .... pfff | 13:56 |
| lcuk2 | jaffa, is there a build for armel? | 13:56 |
| Khertan_n810 | i ll paid someone to kill this moderator nammed 'peer' !!! :) | 13:56 |
| lcuk2 | ie can i compile natively | 13:57 |
| qwerty12 | Khertan_n810: We'll talk later... | 13:57 |
| Khertan_n810 | ? | 13:57 |
| Khertan_n810 | qwerty12> about ? | 13:57 |
| qwerty12 | I offer hitman services in my spare time | 13:57 |
| * GeneralAntilles still thinks this needs to go, and fast: https://wiki.maemo.org/Ext2_file_system_on_flash_card_partition | 13:57 | |
| lcuk2 | Khertan_n810, i think qwerty12 means he will gather the pitchforks and go hunting out peer with you | 13:57 |
| Khertan_n810 | ah great ! | 13:57 |
| Khertan_n810 | :) | 13:57 |
| GeneralAntilles | If you can't be bothered to hit the shift key. . . . | 13:58 |
| lcuk2 | bbl | 13:58 |
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| Jaffa | lcuk2: yep, in extras-devel | 14:01 |
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| Khertan_n810 | ouch reboot | 14:02 |
| Khertan_n810 | my tablet reboot without warning | 14:02 |
| X-Fade | mikkov_, Khertan_n810: The repository cache is being purged now, it should be better for you in about 10 minutes. | 14:04 |
| mikkov_ | X-Fade: thanks | 14:04 |
| Khertan_n810 | x-fade > thx ! | 14:05 |
| Khertan_n810 | yep ok for the new version of mcalendar | 14:05 |
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| X-Fade | Khertan_n810: Can you upload a new version of a package to see if this problem doesn't come back? :) | 14:10 |
| Khertan_n810 | euh not no i ll go to eat | 14:11 |
| X-Fade | Khertan_n810: No hurry. | 14:11 |
| Khertan_n810 | ok i ll post a new one around 18:00 gmt+2 | 14:12 |
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| X-Fade | Khertan_n810: Ok, I'll check to see if the cache is picking it up. | 14:13 |
| Khertan_n810 | oki | 14:13 |
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| GeneralAntilles | Stupid caching servers. | 14:16 |
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| lcuk2 | jaffa :) ill have a look then hopefully | 14:20 |
| Jaffa | lcuk2: I've not tested it on the device, only in Scratchbox - but if you've got a C compiler it should Just Work. | 14:21 |
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| mikkov_ | X-Fade: I uploaded to chinook builder and it seems to work | 14:31 |
| mikkov_ | X-Fade: or maybe I uploaded before the fix was done | 14:32 |
| Khertan | GeneralAntilles > everyone get problem with caching server ... more than gain ... but everyone use it | 14:32 |
| GeneralAntilles | Eh, well, the Nokia servers would be up in flames 24/7 without the caching network. | 14:33 |
| marcell_ | I guess that the problem is not with the caching network, but with the configuration. | 14:33 |
| lcuk2 | jaffa, im just looking for something OO that might help with a few things, using c++ was actually too slow. ill see how it does when i get a free moment and report back | 14:36 |
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| Blafasel | lcuk2: Started to look at binding stuff, seems rather easy (for certain values of easy..). I'll try to set up scratchbox this weekend. Can I bug you with questions about getting the svn version to build and test? | 14:39 |
| Khertan | GeneralAntilles > hum ... we have a small server at work ... and with 9000 permanent connection to a middlewar | 14:40 |
| Khertan | GeneralAntilles > hum ... we have a small server at work ... and with 9000 permanent connection to a middleware | 14:40 |
| lcuk2 | binding what stuff? | 14:40 |
| Khertan | and we don't need caching | 14:40 |
| lcuk2 | khertan, not has quite a few more customers ;) | 14:40 |
| lcuk2 | nokia ^ | 14:40 |
| Khertan | i say connection ... | 14:41 |
| Blafasel | lcuk2: The canvas stuff. | 14:41 |
| Khertan | nokia customers don't connect every minutes | 14:41 |
| Khertan | this is the advantage of our solutions compared to competitors ... | 14:42 |
| Khertan | one of our advantages :) | 14:42 |
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| lcuk2 | khertan, with literally billions of customers worldwide would your server cope? sure specific single servers might not need the cache, but as a global technology approach the caching servers make sense | 14:43 |
| Khertan | http://gizmodo.com/5015395/apple-introduces-iphone-3g-videoconferencing-kit-zomg | 14:43 |
| GeneralAntilles | tablets-dev really needs to be fixed. | 14:43 |
| Khertan | lol | 14:43 |
| lcuk2 | even if a tiny fraction connect im sure 9000 is quite small | 14:43 |
| GeneralAntilles | The corrupt flasher downloads for WebKit users are bad juju | 14:43 |
| marcell_ | is there a bugzilla bug for that? | 14:44 |
| Khertan | GeneralAntilles > sometimes with gecko too | 14:44 |
| GeneralAntilles | marcell_, yes. | 14:44 |
| GeneralAntilles | I think Quim cced you on it yesteday | 14:44 |
| GeneralAntilles | Maybe day before | 14:44 |
| marcell_ | I will try to search for it and take a look | 14:45 |
| GeneralAntilles | https://bugs.maemo.org/show_bug.cgi?id=3290 | 14:45 |
| marcell_ | thx | 14:45 |
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| GeneralAntilles | This politically correct "herself" "she" stuff is lame. | 14:47 |
| GeneralAntilles | andre__, poke. :P | 14:47 |
| GeneralAntilles | https://bugs.maemo.org/page.cgi?id=bug-writing.html | 14:47 |
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| andre__ | +1 | 14:47 |
| GeneralAntilles | they/themselves/etc is fine. | 14:47 |
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| andre__ | should change that, yeah | 14:47 |
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| Binky | Is khertan here? I would like to thank him for helping me with python. | 14:48 |
| GeneralAntilles | andre__, how heavily are you gonna be working on that today/tomorrow | 14:49 |
| GeneralAntilles | I can take a crack at a more Maemo-specific draft sometime tonight if you want. . . . | 14:49 |
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| andre__ | https://bugs.maemo.org/show_bug.cgi?id=1288 | 14:49 |
| GeneralAntilles | Ah, already done, I see. | 14:50 |
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| GeneralAntilles | The GOOD: ... section needs a closing quotation mark | 14:51 |
| GeneralAntilles | "Product: In which product did you find the bug? | 14:51 |
| GeneralAntilles | You just specified this on the last page, so you can't edit it here." | 14:51 |
| GeneralAntilles | Confusing. | 14:51 |
| GeneralAntilles | "OS: On which Operating System (OS) did you find this bug? (e.g. Linux, Windows, Mac OS X.)" | 14:52 |
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| GeneralAntilles | Could probably stand to be more clear on the correct use of "IT OS" there. | 14:53 |
| andre__ | oh yeah, give me feedback, but do it as a comment to the report :-) | 14:53 |
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| andre__ | No, it's not about that. it really offers linux, windows, mac os. see yourself :) | 14:53 |
| GeneralAntilles | I know it does, but it doesn't mention IT OS at all | 14:54 |
| GeneralAntilles | Which it probably should | 14:54 |
| GeneralAntilles | . . . but I'm lazy | 14:54 |
| GeneralAntilles | and you're right here. | 14:54 |
| GeneralAntilles | You should drop everything you're doing now to listen to my suggestions. :P | 14:54 |
| andre__ | no, i will silently slip away to get some breakfast while you continue talking to me here ;-) | 14:55 |
| mikkov_ | what's the normal way to write this herself stuff when gender isn't known? just asking because my language doesn't have he/she stuff at all | 14:57 |
| Atarii | they ? | 14:58 |
| andre__ | or does "one" exist? which language is it? :) | 14:58 |
| mikkov_ | in a phrase like this "If an engineer can't see the bug herself to prove that it exists," | 14:59 |
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| andre__ | If engineers can't see the bug themselves to prove that it exists | 14:59 |
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| mikkov_ | if I don't want use plural? :) "one" neutral but is it norm for the native speakers? | 15:01 |
| derf | "One" is fairly formal. Which may, in fact, be okay for technical writing. | 15:01 |
| mikkov_ | when you learn the language in school, it is hard to know what is considered too formal in normal speech | 15:03 |
| johnx | mikkov_, I know what you mean O_o | 15:04 |
| derf | Heh, yeah, in johnx's case, politeness really matters. | 15:04 |
| johnx | derf, but there is such a thing as being so polite you seem distant | 15:05 |
| derf | johnx: Just be happy you aren't in Korea. They have two entirely orthogonal axes of politeness levels. | 15:05 |
| johnx | derf, fair enough. I'm not even completely sure that I'm doing the right thing as it is. | 15:07 |
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| derf | Yeah, you never are. | 15:08 |
| derf | Which is okay, because you probably aren't. | 15:08 |
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| andre__ | GeneralAntilles: btw, how long do you think we should wait for a reporter's answer on moreinfo bugs before closing them as incomplete? i have 3 months in mind | 15:09 |
| GeneralAntilles | That sounds reasonable | 15:10 |
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| GeneralAntilles | I don't really have a strong opinion on the subject, though. | 15:10 |
| andre__ | yeah, me neither :) | 15:12 |
| andre__ | going to add that to the triage guide i guess | 15:13 |
| X-Fade | Maybe it should be shorter. The closed email will give people more incentive to go back to the bug ;) | 15:14 |
| GeneralAntilles | Alright, andre__, my revisions are in the bug. :P | 15:14 |
| andre__ | thanks! | 15:15 |
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| GeneralAntilles | X-Fade, we ever figure out what the procedure is for removing old versions with other distributions? | 15:30 |
| X-Fade | GeneralAntilles: Nope. Not yet. | 15:30 |
| X-Fade | And no response to my question either ;) | 15:30 |
| GeneralAntilles | I'm still in favor of the "bribe X-Fade to keep old packages" solution. | 15:31 |
| X-Fade | GeneralAntilles: If you look at debian, they do clean their repos. | 15:32 |
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| jott | X-Fade: for my local repository i use reprepro, which makes adding and removing of packages quite easy. but i can't tell if this would help with the current setup... | 15:40 |
| X-Fade | jott: Yeah, I checked reprepro. But that is completely different from what we have now. | 15:42 |
| jott | yes, i assumed that :( | 15:42 |
| X-Fade | I was thinking of making a script that made a Packages file with only uniques. Move those files to a shadow repository and clean it that way. | 15:43 |
| jott | you could always use tools to recreate all the index files (Packages/Sources/...) from an existing directory structure.. | 15:43 |
| jott | X-Fade: no, i think it is not bad to keep older version, atleast 1-2 | 15:44 |
| GeneralAntilles | Work time, later all. | 15:44 |
| X-Fade | GeneralAntilles: Later. | 15:44 |
| X-Fade | jott: Well, I could repeat it 2 times to get the last 2 ;) | 15:45 |
| X-Fade | But I need to make sure I don't break any dependencies. And that is tricky ;) | 15:45 |
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| X-Fade | Jaffa: Ping? | 15:50 |
| Jaffa | X-Fade: pong | 15:52 |
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| X-Fade | Can you test flasher download on OS/X ? | 15:52 |
| marcell_ | Jaffa: with safari pls | 15:53 |
| Jaffa | not atm | 15:53 |
| X-Fade | marcell_ has applied fixes. | 15:53 |
| Jaffa | GeneralAntilles might be in OS X | 15:53 |
| X-Fade | Anynody on OS X ?:) | 15:53 |
| * Jaffa is in Ubuntu ATM and can't reboot as in middle of working :-) | 15:53 | |
| X-Fade | At least I can confirm that the trailing comma issue is fixed. | 15:53 |
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| Khertan | X-Fade> i ve got the same error with ff3 ... on NuxOIUT (a specific linux distrib) | 15:55 |
| Khertan | so this was not specific to osx | 15:56 |
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| Jaffa | Khertan: btw, did you upload mCalendar to diablo or chinook extras-devel? | 16:02 |
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| Khertan | diablo | 16:04 |
| F-i-G | hi | 16:06 |
| Jaffa | Khertan: hmm, OK I'll have another look | 16:07 |
| F-i-G | For some reason my n810 is not recognizing either internal storage or removable storage | 16:07 |
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| F-i-G | hello? | 16:09 |
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| F-i-G | anyone? | 16:13 |
| Jaffa | Tried rebooting? | 16:13 |
| F-i-G | yeah | 16:13 |
| F-i-G | several times | 16:14 |
| johnx | F-i-G, what have you done and/or installed between when they last worked and now? | 16:14 |
| F-i-G | well | 16:14 |
| F-i-G | i put in some removable storage | 16:14 |
| F-i-G | it recognized it | 16:14 |
| F-i-G | i created a directory on it | 16:14 |
| F-i-G | and then it didn't recognize it | 16:14 |
| F-i-G | and yeah | 16:14 |
| F-i-G | i went to sleep | 16:14 |
| F-i-G | every time i open the file manager there's no internal or removable storage | 16:15 |
| Jaffa | *Both* cards, btw? | 16:15 |
| F-i-G | yeah. | 16:15 |
| F-i-G | I'm kinda choked up now | 16:15 |
| Jaffa | Tried reinserting the external one? | 16:15 |
| F-i-G | numerous times | 16:15 |
| Jaffa | What happens when you plug the N810 into a desktop PC (e.g. Windows or Linux)? Do they show up then? | 16:16 |
| F-i-G | haven't tried that | 16:16 |
| F-i-G | um | 16:17 |
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| F-i-G | doesn't seem to be recognizing it either | 16:17 |
| Jaffa | Got a cardreader you can try? | 16:17 |
| F-i-G | yeah | 16:17 |
| Jaffa | Tried it in that? | 16:17 |
| Jaffa | Will identify if it's the card or the N810 | 16:18 |
| F-i-G | weird | 16:19 |
| F-i-G | i have the n810 plugged in | 16:19 |
| F-i-G | i can see everything on it etc | 16:19 |
| F-i-G | yeah | 16:20 |
| F-i-G | the cd card isn't being recognized | 16:20 |
| F-i-G | sd rather | 16:21 |
| F-i-G | its weird | 16:24 |
| F-i-G | i don't see the internal storage on the n810 itself | 16:24 |
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| F-i-G | fuck | 16:25 |
| F-i-G | well i have to go to work | 16:25 |
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| Khertan | flash your firmware and u ll know if it s hardware or software | 16:25 |
| F-i-G | backup first though right? | 16:26 |
| F-i-G | does this backup/restore work well? | 16:26 |
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| Jaffa | F-i-G: you don't lose stuff, but my RSS reader is broken post-restore from chinook -> diablo. | 16:28 |
| Khertan | backup if you want but don't restore it to make test ... | 16:29 |
| F-i-G | I'll talk to you guys when i get to workand try it out then | 16:29 |
| F-i-G | see ya later | 16:29 |
| Khertan | restore once you know where this error come from | 16:29 |
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| Khertan | lol ... someone have port thunderbird ... | 16:34 |
| Khertan | see itt news ... | 16:35 |
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| Toba | :o | 16:48 |
| Toba | the maemo email client sucks | 16:48 |
| Toba | thunderbird will be welcome | 16:48 |
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| aquatix | modest is quite decent | 16:49 |
| aquatix | and i like claws-mail | 16:49 |
| aquatix | i'm afraid thunderbird will be rather slow | 16:49 |
| aquatix | having xul on maemo is interesting though | 16:49 |
| Toba | dunno if i have the spare space to actually install that | 16:50 |
| Toba | I need to buy a minisdhc | 16:50 |
| hrw | easier to get microsdhc + adapter | 16:50 |
| t_s_o | modest gets the job done yes, but in sometimes it seems a step back from osso-mail | 16:50 |
| aquatix | yeah, get a microsdhc and buy a microsd->minisd adapter on dealextreme.com | 16:52 |
| aquatix | modest is sluggish with my huge-ish imap account | 16:52 |
| t_s_o | cant comment on imap as i dont have a account that support it, and i dont feel like signing up for gmail... | 16:54 |
| Khertan | Toba ... | 16:55 |
| Khertan | modest is a good mobile mail client | 16:55 |
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| t_s_o | i wonder why it keeps mail around on the device even after one have deleted them... | 16:58 |
| Mikho | has anyone any experience on using bluez to create a serial port connection to a bluetooth device? | 16:59 |
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| Mikho | The bluez documentation is insufficient | 16:59 |
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| Jaffa | It's was very interesting reading the recent threads from pvanhoof etc on maemo-developers/-users talking about issues with Modest and tinymail. Lots of effort on initial architecture design which then ends up not being used by Modest, and not followed through to the rest of the app. | 17:00 |
| Jaffa | Also, for a mobile app doing so much in a blocking way when network connections may be transient or flaky is just atrocious. | 17:01 |
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| pvanhoof | Relax relax, modest had its priorities and those had to be solved first | 17:01 |
| Jaffa | Annoyingly, Outlook's "cached mode" gets this right without having to specifically enter an "offline" mode | 17:01 |
| pvanhoof | Now that they are solved, nothing is stopping anybody to do a community contribution (modest's code is open) to improve | 17:01 |
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| Toba | Khertan: not if you want to set up ssl and all that. it has very simplistic configuration. | 17:02 |
| Jaffa | pvanhoof: indeed. It seemed sad to me that your initial blog posts worrying about every single byte of memory seemed to not carry through the lifetime of the development. | 17:02 |
| Toba | I guess it probably can do it, though. | 17:02 |
| pvanhoof | Jaffa, modest is behaving quite good on network consumption | 17:03 |
| pvanhoof | Its current problem is a large file being rewritten every 5000 headers | 17:03 |
| pvanhoof | On features, it would be nice if it would support things like CONVERT, but most IMAP servers don't yet have this either | 17:03 |
| pvanhoof | About header downloads, it would be nice if it would selectively download headers in focus first | 17:04 |
| pvanhoof | So that you scroll and those that should be visible, are immediately fetched | 17:04 |
| pvanhoof | And for that pipelining is much needed | 17:04 |
| pvanhoof | All three things are tinymail things rather than modest things, although for the last modest would need to give tinymail some hints about its scroll position | 17:04 |
| pvanhoof | So, you can join the tinymail project and contribute solutions for this, both tinymail and modest are 100% open softwares | 17:05 |
| t_s_o | how about delete on server for pop users that download headers only? | 17:05 |
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| pvanhoof | So together we can make this work, Jaffa. Just know that Nokia did not have these priorities at first | 17:05 |
| pvanhoof | that doesn't mean that they are blocking them | 17:05 |
| Jaffa | pvanhoof: I'm not too worried about network usage (although I'm slightly paying per byte), but more of recognising that a really decent email client on a mobile device needs to handle network issues - and ideally be usable without any network at all. | 17:05 |
| pvanhoof | Modest can work without any network | 17:06 |
| Jaffa | pvanhoof: Oh, I know I want the moon on a stick - but I've higher priority interests elsewhere than hacking on modest & tinymail, I'm afraid. | 17:06 |
| pvanhoof | Jaffa, then please don't whine | 17:06 |
| pvanhoof | Nobody is stopping you , and if it's really important you can pay people to do it for you too | 17:07 |
| Jaffa | pvanhoof: oh sod off. On my projects I'm not egotistical enough to assume that if someone's not willing or able (for whatever reason) to contribute a fix that their opinion doesn't matter. | 17:07 |
| pvanhoof | Not saying your opinion doesn't, just saying that there are many opinions and many priorities | 17:07 |
| pvanhoof | And that your priorities were not the top ones for Nokia | 17:08 |
| Jaffa | Did I say my opinion was most important? | 17:08 |
| pvanhoof | But just like with any other free software project, you can add weight to your opinion using code | 17:08 |
| Jaffa | *Obviously* making it possible to mangage your email offline wasn't a priority for Nokia: cos it doesn't work. | 17:08 |
| pvanhoof | Managing email offline should work, and is a priority | 17:08 |
| pvanhoof | So just file bugs if it's not working | 17:08 |
| pvanhoof | Perhaps it makes the network management ask if you want to go online, just answer no | 17:09 |
| pvanhoof | Emails that have been retrieved already will be available, the ones that have not yet been .. will make it ask if you want to go online to fetch it | 17:09 |
| pvanhoof | We can't magically put the email on your device, so that's the wanted and expected behaviour | 17:10 |
| pvanhoof | If it behaves different, then that sounds like a bug. File it, perhaps attach a patch that fixes it too | 17:10 |
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| andre__ | https://bugs.maemo.org/show_bug.cgi?id=3490 "Software update notifier applet drains battery" - anybody else who has seen this? | 17:34 |
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| t_s_o | hmm, something tells me that its not only about the update notifier. im starting to suspect that my battery life issue comes from my use of load applet | 17:38 |
| hrw | I have loadapplet and long batlife | 17:38 |
| t_s_o | do maemo "suspend" the running of its applets when going into a prolonged unused state? | 17:38 |
| nomis | t_s_o: no, the applets have to react. | 17:38 |
| t_s_o | hmm? | 17:39 |
| nomis | t_s_o: they have to stop updating when the system signals idle mode or e.g. display shutdown. | 17:39 |
| t_s_o | ok | 17:40 |
| nomis | the statusbarclock might still have that kind of an issue as well, I'll update it this weekend... | 17:40 |
| t_s_o | and the same is true for "desktop" applets as well? | 17:40 |
| nomis | t_s_o: I'd guess so. | 17:40 |
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| t_s_o | funny, i just had the desktop reset on my, but without reseting the applets... | 17:41 |
| nomis | t_s_o: whenever you operate with time-based events (vs. events due to external influences) you should stop updating when the display shuts down or the system goes idle. | 17:41 |
| t_s_o | ok | 17:42 |
| t_s_o | if there was some kind of tool for testing of this behavior is being upheld, and it was easy to use for people on the forum and similar, i think doing battery drain hunting would be a bit easier | 17:43 |
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| Khertan | hum ... this is why my applet drain battery :) | 17:44 |
| Khertan | no check of screen die | 17:44 |
| t_s_o | what applet is that? | 17:44 |
| Khertan | but it should be normally send by the pyhton binding ... in the background event ... | 17:44 |
| Khertan | but it s not the case | 17:44 |
| Khertan | t_s_o > homeip, homediskfree, home* | 17:45 |
| t_s_o | ah :) | 17:45 |
| t_s_o | i cant keep up with the nicknames of all the people writing interesting things for maemo ;) | 17:45 |
| Khertan | lol | 17:46 |
| Khertan | retains only one ... | 17:46 |
| Khertan | infobot :) | 17:46 |
| infobot | (: | 17:46 |
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| t_s_o | btw, i seem to have gotten hold of a large desktop clock recenty, but with a very strange name in the applet list ;) | 17:47 |
| t_s_o | there are times when i wish there was a duplicate entry checker for app manager repo list... | 17:48 |
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| mikkov_ | Khertan: isnt background-event sent when screen goes off? | 17:51 |
| Khertan | mikkov_ > wasn't the case in chinook | 17:52 |
| Khertan | but ... it s true that my applet haven't drain battery since diablo | 17:52 |
| zfigz | Can someone recommend a place to buy an 8GB microsdcard ? | 17:53 |
| Khertan | so to be sure in need to test | 17:53 |
| zfigz | the one i bought isn't working | 17:53 |
| Khertan | lol | 17:53 |
| zfigz | I've tried it on 3 different devices. | 17:53 |
| Khertan | not on ebay | 17:53 |
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| Khertan | try amazon | 17:53 |
| zfigz | I got this via amazon | 17:53 |
| zfigz | :P | 17:53 |
| zfigz | it was a third party seller | 17:54 |
| Khertan | real amazon ... not amazon auction | 17:54 |
| Khertan | or third party seller | 17:54 |
| zfigz | Yeah, that's what I did. | 17:54 |
| zfigz | I guess I'll just wait and have them send me a new one | 17:54 |
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| crashanddie | zfigz, hang on, you have an N810 right ? | 17:59 |
| zfigz | Yeah | 17:59 |
| crashanddie | I'm guessing it's a microsd with an adapter ? | 18:00 |
| zfigz | It read my microSD for a second | 18:00 |
| zfigz | and then it didn't recognize it any longer and I thought my n810 was screwed | 18:00 |
| zfigz | so yeah | 18:00 |
| crashanddie | I heard there were problems with SanDisk adapters from micro to mini | 18:00 |
| zfigz | I tried the card on 2 computers and it doesn't show up | 18:00 |
| zfigz | well I tried the card on computers | 18:00 |
| crashanddie | with another adapter ? | 18:00 |
| Khertan | nomis > i confirm in diablo python binding to hindon desktop send a background event when screen idle | 18:00 |
| Khertan | confirmed by looking source, and test case :) | 18:01 |
| RST38h | boo all | 18:01 |
| zfigz | yeah | 18:01 |
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| RST38h | sandisk sdhc thing again? | 18:02 |
| zfigz | Using the regular adaptor with the usb deal | 18:02 |
| zfigz | yeah | 18:02 |
| RST38h | You can fix it by using palin sd card adapter from sandisk with your sdhc card | 18:02 |
| RST38h | s/palin/plain/ | 18:02 |
| infobot | RST38h meant: You can fix it by using plain sd card adapter from sandisk with your sdhc card | 18:02 |
| Khertan | what is the goal of something like jaiku ... | 18:03 |
| RST38h | just buy an extra 1gb card from sandisk - they are dirt cheap | 18:03 |
| Khertan | i don't understand what is the benefit | 18:03 |
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| RST38h | Khertan: create buzz, be bought out by google | 18:03 |
| Khertan | lol | 18:03 |
| Khertan | i mean for user :) | 18:04 |
| Khertan | and user using it | 18:04 |
| RST38h | it is what web 2.0 is all about | 18:04 |
| RST38h | users do not matter | 18:04 |
| Khertan | true | 18:04 |
| RST38h | because it is all free | 18:04 |
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| RST38h | All this time, all the money, all the technology, and still not a single company with KILL ALL PEOPLE as the corporate goal | 18:06 |
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| zfigz | I bet Frys sells them cheap | 18:08 |
| X-Fade | mikkov_: No repository problems with your newer versions? | 18:10 |
| nomis | Khertan: yeah, there are libosso functions where you can register a callback. | 18:12 |
| X-Fade | rm_you: Congrats! :) | 18:12 |
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| nomis | The statusbarclock just stumbled a bit, since osso_hw_set_display_event_cb() apparently is new in chinook or something. Otherwise I would not have omitted its use :) | 18:13 |
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| Khertan | python powa ! | 18:23 |
| Khertan | :) | 18:23 |
| Khertan | ye | 18:23 |
| Khertan | bye | 18:24 |
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| hrw|gone | have a nice evening/weekend guys | 18:30 |
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| crashanddie | hrw|gone, you too, take care | 18:43 |
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| Khertan_n810 | there is a package rate application | 18:58 |
| Khertan_n810 | in repository | 18:58 |
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| Khertan_n810 | where does the voting result go ? | 18:59 |
| Khertan_n810 | on maemo.org ? | 18:59 |
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| Blafasel | Trying my first scratchbox install.. | 19:00 |
| Khertan_n810 | hum maemo-launcher crash again | 19:00 |
| Khertan_n810 | it seems i ve found the faulty application | 19:01 |
| Khertan_n810 | x-chat | 19:01 |
| lbt | ok | 19:03 |
| lbt | oops - wrong window - sorry :) | 19:03 |
| summatusmentis | johnx: http://www.engadget.com/2008/07/25/analyst-says-android-and-symbian-to-merge-nokia-and-google-to-g/ :-D | 19:03 |
| johnx | summatusmentis, O_o | 19:04 |
| johnx | eh? | 19:04 |
| Khertan_n810 | lol | 19:04 |
| summatusmentis | someone is suggesting android and Nokia's new OSS symbian are gonna merge | 19:04 |
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| Khertan_n810 | analyst say many idiots things | 19:05 |
| johnx | I don't believe merge...but some kind of app compatibility layer might be possible since android apps act at such a high level | 19:05 |
| summatusmentis | it'll be interesting nonetheless | 19:06 |
| Khertan_n810 | android doesn t target armel right ? | 19:07 |
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| johnx | Khertan_n810, errr? eh? | 19:09 |
| johnx | yes, it does | 19:09 |
| johnx | but the apps written for it aren't compiled into binaries, they're compiled into bytecode IIRC | 19:09 |
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| Khertan_n810 | bytecode ? | 19:10 |
| Khertan_n810 | they use a vm ? | 19:10 |
| johnx | they're written in Java essentially | 19:10 |
| Khertan_n810 | ouch | 19:10 |
| johnx | Davlik is what Google calls it | 19:10 |
| Khertan_n810 | stupid idea | 19:10 |
| johnx | well, we'll see I guess | 19:11 |
| Khertan_n810 | armel is not really powerfull | 19:11 |
| johnx | the idea is all the speed dependent stuff happens at a lower level in C/ASM | 19:11 |
| Khertan_n810 | so with java between | 19:11 |
| johnx | it's not full Java, I believe. it's supposed to be pretty lightweight | 19:11 |
| Khertan_n810 | i hope device will be correctly ram sized :) | 19:12 |
| johnx | seems to run ok on a zaurus | 19:12 |
| Khertan_n810 | so | 19:12 |
| Khertan_n810 | with how amount of ram used ? | 19:13 |
| johnx | well, less than 64MB | 19:13 |
| johnx | we'll see if they get that reduced by the time they release it | 19:14 |
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| Khertan_n810 | yes it s still in developpment | 19:14 |
| Khertan_n810 | when i see how google manage their internal data i don't doubt about their dev | 19:14 |
| Khertan_n810 | i found strange that they haven t use more python for android | 19:15 |
| summatusmentis | johnx: you've tried android on a Z? | 19:15 |
| johnx | summatusmentis, yeah. I'll reserve judgement until I see a version of it that's actually meant to run on real hardware | 19:16 |
| johnx | I'll say it has the potential to be a nice phone OS, but I don't think it's a great general purpose OS | 19:17 |
| summatusmentis | ah, I see | 19:17 |
| Khertan_n810 | :) | 19:17 |
| Khertan_n810 | same thing | 19:17 |
| johnx | but then again, I have certain requirements for stability from a phone OS | 19:18 |
| johnx | just like I'd flip out if my washer crashed or my cars ECU died :) | 19:18 |
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| RST38h | android is not an os | 19:25 |
| RST38h | it is a set of java apis | 19:25 |
| Khertan_n810 | 4127 user SW 134M 1307 0.0108.4 browserd | 19:26 |
| Khertan_n810 | ouch nice top | 19:26 |
| RST38h | browserd is known for doing it | 19:26 |
| Khertan_n810 | hum why is it s purpose | 19:27 |
| RST38h | it is a resident part of microb | 19:27 |
| Khertan_n810 | what the goal of this daemon ? | 19:27 |
| johnx | make microb start faster | 19:27 |
| RST38h | caches web pages afaik | 19:28 |
| johnx | RST38h, I'm pretty sure it's just for caching the browser, not pages | 19:28 |
| RST38h | usually just takes memory and sometimes cpu though | 19:28 |
| Khertan_n810 | yes cache is really needed when microb isn t launch | 19:28 |
| johnx | Khertan_n810, the line from top isn't really true though | 19:28 |
| RST38h | johnx: seems to change in size as you load more pages | 19:28 |
| Khertan_n810 | an other great idea like metalayer-crawler | 19:28 |
| johnx | look at htop I think for more accurate stats | 19:28 |
| Khertan_n810 | johnx > of course | 19:28 |
| johnx | RST38h, well, it's the actual browser engine, but the PID changes when you open a new window | 19:29 |
| RST38h | there is a guy named timeless on this channel | 19:29 |
| * johnx really sleeps | 19:29 | |
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| RST38h | he is the guy behind browserd | 19:29 |
| Khertan_n810 | where can i found htop ? | 19:29 |
| RST38h | johnx: why do I need a resident browser engine? | 19:30 |
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| Khertan_n810 | who is the faulty guy to kill which decided to make all this daemon ? | 19:30 |
| Blafasel | rant-mode active? ;) | 19:31 |
| Khertan_n810 | timeless .... grrrr i ll say what i think of his idea to made an other daemon | 19:31 |
| Khertan_n810 | Blafasel > a bit too much today | 19:31 |
| Khertan_n810 | there is also a rant for peer | 19:32 |
| RST38h | the peer that closes connections? | 19:32 |
| GNUton | Hello there | 19:32 |
| Khertan_n810 | rst38h yes this one | 19:33 |
| Khertan_n810 | that kill all the time my gdata connection | 19:33 |
| RST38h | KILL IT BEFORE IT GETS YOU | 19:33 |
| Khertan_n810 | yes | 19:35 |
| Khertan_n810 | but i can t found it | 19:35 |
| Khertan_n810 | and haven t enought nuclear weapon to strike entire earth | 19:35 |
| mgedmin | well, you can always decide to leave the bit you're standing on alone | 19:37 |
| RST38h | lack of generality is bad design mgedmin | 19:38 |
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| lbt | I've got to say maemo.org is really naff to navigate | 19:40 |
| lbt | I'm just trying to install maemo mapper | 19:40 |
| lbt | it's not in the app manager | 19:40 |
| lbt | so I went to maemo.org | 19:40 |
| lbt | it's dog slow | 19:40 |
| lbt | I click on downloads, mapper and see the pagew | 19:41 |
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| lbt | no download link - but there's an obvious green 2008 button | 19:41 |
| lbt | cool it knows I'm on 2008, click | 19:41 |
| lbt | homepage | 19:41 |
| lbt | WTF? | 19:41 |
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| lbt | Why the hell should clicking 2008 take me to a generic homepage | 19:41 |
| Atarii | maemo mapper is in the extras repository | 19:42 |
| mgedmin | the maemo.org catalog is a bit of an EPIC FAIL now that OS2008 means both chinook and diablo, but the distros are different | 19:42 |
| mgedmin | s/distros/repositories/ | 19:42 |
| infobot | mgedmin meant: the maemo.org catalog is a bit of an EPIC FAIL now that OS2008 means both chinook and diablo, but the repositories are different | 19:42 |
| lbt | fair enough - but I'm not that thick | 19:42 |
| lbt | and its friggin hard!!! | 19:42 |
| lbt | I run god knows how many linux distros | 19:43 |
| lbt | I want this to be easy | 19:43 |
| lbt | it is *NOT* easy | 19:43 |
| lbt | it hurts | 19:43 |
| mgedmin | yes | 19:43 |
| lbt | HOWL!!!! | 19:43 |
| mgedmin | I believe you can report website bugs somewhere | 19:43 |
| mgedmin | productive howl | 19:43 |
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| lbt | browse all apps - 'cos I don't know which frickin category it might be in | 19:44 |
| mgedmin | there's a search box in the corner | 19:44 |
| lbt | I tried free - nope | 19:44 |
| lbt | I tried maemo apps - nope | 19:44 |
| lbt | user navigation? | 19:44 |
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| Khertan_n810 | lol | 19:45 |
| lbt | well maemo-mapper-topomaps-fi is there | 19:45 |
| lbt | and agps-ui | 19:45 |
| lbt | so how come mapper isn't | 19:45 |
| lbt | I'm running Diablo | 19:45 |
| lbt | maybe I need chinook extras still | 19:45 |
| lbt | mutter, rant, mutter | 19:46 |
| GAN800 | For? | 19:46 |
| eichi | lbt, hehe, same here. i used chinnok extras for mplayer, maemo-mapper, doenst help ;) | 19:46 |
| Atarii | yes its in chinook extras | 19:46 |
| eichi | but others, i will wait | 19:46 |
| eichi | "doenst help" means, "there is no other way" | 19:46 |
| GAN800 | gnuite's on vacation | 19:46 |
| eichi | you can do it without problems | 19:46 |
| GAN800 | So unless somebody else packages it up. . . . | 19:47 |
| eichi | lbt, if there will be a diablo version, it updates automatically | 19:47 |
| Khertan_n810 | do it | 19:47 |
| Khertan_n810 | source is available | 19:47 |
| eichi | after insatlling maemo mapper from chinook extras, just disable this repo again | 19:47 |
| lbt | I didn't think this was Gentoo ;) | 19:47 |
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| Khertan_n810 | eichi > automatically no , but u ll be noticed | 19:47 |
| eichi | Khertan_n810, you got it man | 19:48 |
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| Khertan_n810 | lbt > maybe you want a setup.exe | 19:48 |
| lbt | :P | 19:48 |
| Khertan_n810 | for each application | 19:48 |
| eichi | or a install.msi | 19:48 |
| lbt | yes I do | 19:48 |
| Khertan_n810 | without update checking | 19:48 |
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| Khertan_n810 | depandancies checking | 19:48 |
| lbt | frankly it's an area that linux needs to improve | 19:49 |
| eichi | update checking is for nerds... a app has to run, thats all | 19:49 |
| Khertan_n810 | without conflicting app checking | 19:49 |
| lbt | Ubuntu is good like that | 19:49 |
| eichi | some crashes a natural and have to be | 19:49 |
| Khertan_n810 | eichi > lol | 19:49 |
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| Khertan_n810 | this nerd that install app for other system | 19:49 |
| eichi | ops i have to go | 19:49 |
| eichi | arriving at the train station | 19:49 |
| Khertan_n810 | wait that is availablr | 19:49 |
| eichi | bye | 19:49 |
| lbt | bakc to root shell and apt then.... | 19:49 |
| lbt | ttfn | 19:50 |
| eichi | or, wrong one ;) | 19:50 |
| Khertan_n810 | i think ll really need a specific #maemo-dev for developpers | 19:50 |
| lbt | Khertan_n810: nah, plenty of devs hang here | 19:51 |
| Khertan_n810 | s/ll / we | 19:51 |
| lbt | what's the issue? | 19:51 |
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| Khertan_n810 | loosing time hearing user complaining about debian apt system | 19:52 |
| lbt | phht | 19:52 |
| Khertan_n810 | hehe | 19:52 |
| lbt | actually I edited sources.list, ran apt stuff and it's installing | 19:52 |
| Khertan_n810 | lol | 19:53 |
| lbt | I'm complaining that that is a bug! | 19:53 |
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| Khertan_n810 | not a bug, just not available yet | 19:53 |
| lbt | it *shouldn't* be quicker/easier to go to a ssh and run apt | 19:53 |
| Veggen | guess what? There is a reason that there still exists command-lines, and some of us actually prefer it in many cases. | 19:56 |
| Veggen | and yes - there is and *will* be many cases where the command line is quicker and even easier, once you know how to. | 19:56 |
| lbt | fine - that's the stated aim of systems like Gentoi | 19:57 |
| lbt | s/oi/oo/ | 19:57 |
| infobot | lbt meant: fine - that's the stated aim of systems like Gentoo | 19:57 |
| lbt | but Diablo et al have a stated aim of non-expert ease of use. | 19:57 |
| Veggen | sure. And making the gui better is always good. | 19:57 |
| lbt | your argument is fine but not relevant in this instance :) | 19:57 |
| lbt | heck - I don't know how to use most of the gui controls | 19:58 |
| lbt | occasionally I see someone use one and think "that's cool" | 19:58 |
| lbt | then go back to emacs/shell... | 19:58 |
| Khertan_n810 | bye | 19:59 |
| lbt | bye | 19:59 |
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| Blafasel | Jaffa: You don't happen to have a second, right? I'd love to install vala to my scratchbox environment. I found your thread, but being completely new to this scratchbox thing I wonder if I just add the extras-devel repository. And if the x86 version is somewhere as well | 20:21 |
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| Jaffa | Blafasel: add extras-devel to your scratchbox, apt-get update, apt-get install valac. Both x86 & armel versions in extras-devel | 20:25 |
| Jaffa | for j in '-src'; do for i in '-devel'; do | 20:25 |
| Jaffa | echo "deb$j http://repository.maemo.org/extras$i diablo free non-free" >>/etc/apt/sources.list.d/extras-repo.list | 20:25 |
| Jaffa | done; done | 20:25 |
| Jaffa | apt-get update && apt-get install valac | 20:25 |
| * GAN800 really is not having a fun time with the soft poweroff nonsense. | 20:27 | |
| Blafasel | Thank you | 20:28 |
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| Jaffa | Blafasel: Added to http://wiki.maemo.org/User:Jaffa/Developing_with_Vala | 20:29 |
| Blafasel | Great | 20:30 |
| * GAN800 really _really_ loves that double-keypress can be set up to ENABLE soft poweroff but can't disable it. | 20:30 | |
| GAN800 | Awesomely broken by design. | 20:30 |
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| GAN800 | 'We're going to make this intentionally as stupid as possible' | 20:31 |
| GAN800 | Typically Nokia. | 20:31 |
| GAN800 | It's so telling of exactly what a waste of time Bugzilla really is when the recommended method of requesting new features is to ATTEND CONFERENCES AND SEEK OUT PRODUCT MANAGERS. | 20:32 |
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| * GAN800 sighs https://bugs.maemo.org/show_bug.cgi?id=3461#c3 | 20:36 | |
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| brontide | What does softpoweroff buy you over offline mode except some small battery savings? | 20:40 |
| X-Fade | GAN800: All the more reason to get your a** over here in Sept ;) | 20:40 |
| GAN800 | brontide, convenience. | 20:40 |
| GAN800 | one button press. | 20:40 |
| brontide | One button lock and offline? | 20:42 |
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| GAN800 | X-Fade, you just want patches for the CSS for the wiki? | 20:45 |
| GAN800 | brontide, yes. | 20:45 |
| GAN800 | check out /etc/mce/mce.ini | 20:45 |
| X-Fade | GAN800: Or tell me what you want fixed. | 20:46 |
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| cjohnson | Is it possible to link the n800 up with a phone, via bluetooth or other, and send text messages? | 20:47 |
| GAN800 | X-Fade, load it in MicroB. :P | 20:48 |
| GAN800 | or WebKit. | 20:48 |
| X-Fade | GAN800: We should move the styles to wiki.m.o, so there aren't any ssl warnings.. | 20:49 |
| brontide | Of course if they opened mce we could easily add lock and offline as one of the options | 20:49 |
| brontide | we are left scratching out heads trying to do workarounds for a rather trivial enhancement | 20:50 |
| X-Fade | GAN800: It doesn't look too bad in microb to me? | 20:50 |
| GAN800 | overlapping elements | 20:52 |
| GAN800 | The user stuff up in the upper right goes offscreen. | 20:52 |
| GAN800 | Front page hot topics box overlaps the menu. | 20:53 |
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| X-Fade | lol, 'crap..' :) | 20:56 |
| GAN800 | Ha | 20:58 |
| RST38h | too much css makes your browser sick | 20:59 |
| RST38h | and btw, I have finally found a way to read itt on the tablet | 21:00 |
| GAN800 | Better than goddamn tables. | 21:00 |
| RST38h | better but also leaving more opportunities to screw up | 21:01 |
| X-Fade | RST38h: If only all browsers do css the same way ;) | 21:02 |
| lcuk2 | better if you can afford the processing power | 21:02 |
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| * GAN800 loves that Gecko decides that scaling should also make 1px == 2px | 21:03 | |
| GAN800 | lcuk2, where's my content? :P | 21:03 |
| lcuk2 | damn good point actually | 21:04 |
| lcuk2 | :$ i have been busy with head in code n packaging n stuff | 21:04 |
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| brontide | What about a little custom css chrome lovin' http://www.internettablettalk.com/forums/showpost.php?p=198087&postcount=15 | 21:04 |
| RST38h | xfade: that too, but the same is true for tables | 21:05 |
| lcuk2 | brontide, i think thats the most remarkable thing i think ive ever seen (since getting home at least ;) ) does it noticable speed up scrolling etc since everything is gone | 21:06 |
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| Callahad | Wow, XChat does not work terribly wonderfully on the N810, interface-wise :/. Are there better options or am I going to end up compiling irssi? | 21:15 |
| Atarii | rtcomm beta | 21:16 |
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| Callahad | Atarii, I haven't tried rtcomm yet. It supports IRC? | 21:16 |
| Atarii | yes | 21:16 |
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| kpel | hi guys | 21:17 |
| Callahad | Wow. Hooray for libpurple! | 21:17 |
| zfigz | Is there an ad blocker for the mozilla browser on maemo? | 21:21 |
| Atarii | adblock has been ported | 21:24 |
| Callahad | Wow, looks like flashblock has been ported too. That'll be useful. | 21:30 |
| zfigz | Woo | 21:31 |
| zfigz | Awesome | 21:31 |
| Callahad | This is such a neat platform :) (just got my n810 two days ago) | 21:31 |
| zfigz | Atarii, anay idea where I can get that? | 21:31 |
| zfigz | Calla, yeah...it's pretty sweet | 21:31 |
| Callahad | zfigz, google for microb adblock | 21:31 |
| zfigz | I'm downloading a torrent on mine now | 21:31 |
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| zfigz | Do you guys know if you can unrar .rar files on maemo? | 21:35 |
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| Binky | Of course | 21:35 |
| Binky | You only have to install the package 'unrar' | 21:36 |
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| zfigz | I don't see unrar in the application manager | 21:40 |
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| Atarii | it might be in extras | 21:41 |
| Callahad | Hm. Is there any way to get the included xterm to use Dejavu Sans Mono? It doesn't show up in my font list despite installing ttf-dejavu | 21:43 |
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| GAN800 | Callahad, fc-cache | 21:44 |
| Callahad | GAN800, I think the cache is fine; I'm using Dejavu Sans in Xchat right now | 21:45 |
| Callahad | Also, ack, is there a way to more permanantly disable the annoying typing autocompletion bar when I'm using a bluetooth keyboard? :/ | 21:45 |
| brontide | Callahad: Yes, there is a setting in the control panel | 21:46 |
| brontide | I have it turned off on my n810 | 21:46 |
| Callahad | Hm. I must have missed it. *goes back to check* | 21:46 |
| Callahad | Ah, there we go. | 21:47 |
| brontide | Callahad: text input settings -> languages -> settings and uncheck next word prediction and completion and it should go away. | 21:48 |
| Callahad | brontide, Thank you. Is there a better resource for these things aside from bugging people in IRC? All I really know about are the maemo wiki and ITT | 21:50 |
| brontide | heh, not really. Learn how to use the google search box on the home page of iTT is about the best there is | 21:50 |
| Callahad | I guess I'll be adding to the wiki, then. Once I get a handle on things. | 21:51 |
| zfigz | Yeah, can't find unrar | 21:52 |
| zfigz | mmm | 21:52 |
| Binky | Gronmayer.it | 21:52 |
| Binky | That web has got a large db of repos | 21:53 |
| Binky | Sorry, www.gronmayer.com/it | 21:53 |
| zfigz | IS that the link to find unrar? | 21:54 |
| zfigz | woah | 21:54 |
| zfigz | a lot of repos | 21:54 |
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| Binky | In the right type unrar in search box | 21:55 |
| zfigz | thanks binky | 21:56 |
| Binky | You're welcome ^^ | 21:57 |
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| zfigz | Should I just delete all my repos and just add all of these? | 22:00 |
| Callahad | probably not :) | 22:01 |
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| smyows | debian arm package is compatible to maemo/os2008 | 22:10 |
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| pupnik_ | no | 22:10 |
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| smyows | :/ | 22:10 |
| smyows | i need onde ppp dialer | 22:11 |
| smyows | wvdial for maemo | 22:11 |
| crashanddie_ | smyows: get the deb source (.dsc .tar .diff files), then run dpkg-source -x *.dsc go into the dir and run dpkg-buildpackage -rfakeroot | 22:12 |
| smyows | ok | 22:12 |
| smyows | thx | 22:12 |
| crashanddie_ | (in scratchbox, of course) | 22:13 |
| smyows | o> | 22:14 |
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| smyows | my powered hub hack and my new kernel works, my 3g with usbserial modem works too, i need only dialer now :D | 22:15 |
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| pupnik_ | i think there are options besides wvdial. is on internettablettalk.com forums i think | 22:16 |
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| zfigz | Hey | 22:22 |
| zfigz | Does anyone know how to dial numbers while on a call using the comm app on the n810 | 22:22 |
| smyows | hmm | 22:22 |
| zfigz | ? | 22:22 |
| zfigz | There's no dial pad | 22:22 |
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| zfigz | really annoying | 22:22 |
| zfigz | There must be a way | 22:22 |
| zfigz | or that'd be "really" stupid | 22:22 |
| zfigz | sweet | 22:23 |
| zfigz | i got it | 22:23 |
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| pupnik | what | 22:26 |
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| jeward | Hey, I just got an n810. Is there a way to disable that panel that appears across the bottom when you type on the built-in keyboard when you start typing? | 22:32 |
| Callahad | jeward, Hah, I asked that literally half an hour ago | 22:34 |
| jeward | :) | 22:34 |
| jeward | You just get yours too? | 22:34 |
| Callahad | Yep - two days ago | 22:34 |
| Callahad | The $300 CompUSA deal was too good to pass up | 22:34 |
| jeward | I went to all this trouble sizing the vncserver just right and then the first time I type, it's all for naught! | 22:34 |
| jeward | You got that right! | 22:34 |
| jeward | :) | 22:34 |
| crashanddie_ | Hey, the light sensor picks up infrared | 22:34 |
| jeward | I'm doing vnc over openvpn. | 22:35 |
| Callahad | Anyway, check out the control panel under text input | 22:35 |
| Callahad | Over in dictionaries, hit settings | 22:35 |
| Callahad | Disable word prediction/completion/etc | 22:35 |
| jeward | Oh, too bad, I like that feature. :-) | 22:35 |
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| jeward | I just don't want to give up the screen real estate! | 22:36 |
| Callahad | jeward, You can either have the autocompletion, or have the space back :p | 22:36 |
| Callahad | You can temporarily disable it with Shift+Space | 22:36 |
| Callahad | But that only lasts until you open and close the keyboard again | 22:36 |
| jeward | I'll do without it for now. Thanks! | 22:37 |
| jeward | Any ketboard shortcuts to enable it? | 22:37 |
| jeward | keyboard | 22:37 |
| Callahad | Not that I've found yet | 22:37 |
| Callahad | I'm still trying to get my bluetooth keyboard working completely properly with Diablo | 22:38 |
| jeward | I was driving mine from my laptop via ssh last night. :-) | 22:38 |
| jeward | For what it's worth, this is just about right: vncserver -geometry 800x420 -depth 16 | 22:39 |
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| jeward | jwm seems to be a pretty good 1 button X window manager for this purpose. | 22:39 |
| Callahad | Heh, right now I'm shelled into my box at home setting up some backups in preparation for a reformat when I get off work. It's nice to be able to go both ways to and from the N810 | 22:40 |
| jeward | Did you get the latest OS? | 22:40 |
| jeward | I flashed mine last night, twice. ;) | 22:40 |
| Callahad | Yep | 22:40 |
| Callahad | I'll be reflashing this thing tonight, too | 22:40 |
| jeward | Are these things cool, or WHAT? | 22:40 |
| jeward | Or, word of warning, the LCARS theme is... not useable. | 22:41 |
| Callahad | Planning on setting up Scratchbox so I can try a ton of applications in a sandbox before comitting them to the device | 22:41 |
| jeward | The application manager is black text on black background, for instance. | 22:41 |
| Callahad | Easily the coolest device I've owned | 22:41 |
| jeward | Scratchbox? | 22:41 |
| zfigz | Scratchbox? | 22:41 |
| * jeward googles | 22:41 | |
| Callahad | The unix dev environment | 22:42 |
| smyows | help people :D libwvbase.so: undefined reference to `_Unwind_GetTextRelBase' | 22:42 |
| Callahad | basically hildon in a vm | 22:42 |
| jeward | How cool is that? :) | 22:42 |
| Callahad | Hm. Or is scratchbox the right term? Eh, whatever the dev vm is. | 22:43 |
| jeward | scratchbox 2 is better? | 22:43 |
| smyows | when compile wvstreams | 22:43 |
| jeward | http://www.freedesktop.org/wiki/Software/sbox2 | 22:43 |
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| zfigz | Can you expand the status bar? | 22:44 |
| smyows | anyone have another ppp dial for maemo? | 22:44 |
| Callahad | jeward, Have you tried out Maemo Mapper yet? | 22:45 |
| zfigz | I hate the more lil' apps you have in the stat bar it just makes a lil' arrow to extend them down. | 22:45 |
| jeward | Callahad: I haven't gotten a GPS location yet. | 22:46 |
| jeward | Apparently I need to take it outside. :) | 22:46 |
| zfigz | Can anyone recommend a theme? | 22:46 |
| zfigz | I'm using Hendrika | 22:46 |
| jeward | I have it jumping between home and work wifi and bluetooth dun however! | 22:47 |
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| jeward | I recommend against LCARS theme., | 22:47 |
| jeward | I'm using echo. | 22:47 |
| Callahad | It's pretty slick. It'll batch-fetch and cache map tiles for OpenStreetMap, Google Maps, Yahoo Maps, etc. | 22:47 |
| Callahad | It'll also fetch and save routes from the net. So you can have a decent set of maps without an active connection (or using Nokia Maps, which is horrid) | 22:48 |
| jeward | I'll have to try that! | 22:48 |
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| zfigz | the gps isn't terribly active | 22:49 |
| zfigz | you have to use A GPS to get it to work well | 22:49 |
| AStorm | well, not | 22:49 |
| rm_you | WOOHOO! | 22:49 |
| rm_you | !!!!!!!!!!!! | 22:49 |
| rm_you | lcuk2: | 22:49 |
| rm_you | jott: | 22:49 |
| rm_you | GeneralAntilles: | 22:49 |
| zfigz | ou! Plankton is nice | 22:50 |
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| AStorm | you have to use new maemo-mapper | 22:50 |
| rm_you | "we have accepted your sponsorship request for Maemo Summit:" | 22:50 |
| Callahad | rm_you, Congrats! | 22:50 |
| rm_you | !! :P | 22:50 |
| lcuk2 | yes | 22:50 |
| rm_you | lcuk2: see you there :P | 22:50 |
| lcuk2 | :) excellent, bring an updated book reader with you :P | 22:51 |
| derf | rm_you: Hoorj. | 22:51 |
| zap | by the way, anybody can get built-in GPRS working with maemo-mapper without first launching the Mapper application? | 22:51 |
| zfigz | What version of Maemo Mapper is the latest? | 22:51 |
| X-Fade | rm_you: 17:12 < X-Fade> rm_you: Congrats! :) | 22:51 |
| derf | I think this weekend will be qrcode weekend. | 22:51 |
| jeward | AStorm: 2.4.1-os2008? | 22:51 |
| rm_you | :) | 22:51 |
| rm_you | lol | 22:51 |
| rm_you | missed that :P | 22:51 |
| zfigz | I've got 2.4.1 | 22:51 |
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| rm_you | just woke up and got the email | 22:51 |
| AStorm | zap: yes, it works | 22:51 |
| zfigz | jeward, yeah | 22:51 |
| zfigz | that's it | 22:51 |
| X-Fade | rm_you: Ehm.. Woke up? :) | 22:51 |
| rm_you | lol | 22:52 |
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| rm_you | it's noon here, shh | 22:52 |
| * jeward installs maemo-mapper. | 22:52 | |
| X-Fade | rm_you: Had a long sleep, did yah ;) | 22:52 |
| zap | AStorm: if I just launch maemo-mapper, the GPRS icon appears and then after some relative short time disappears | 22:52 |
| rm_you | hrm | 22:52 |
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| rm_you | time to get travel stuff in order then | 22:52 |
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| zap | AStorm: I have to launch mapper first, get a fix and only after that maemo-mapper | 22:52 |
| overflo | hi | 22:52 |
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| zfigz | zap, what do you mean mapper? | 22:54 |
| zfigz | zap, I use A-GPS Beta and then Maemo Mapper | 22:54 |
| zap | I mean the Nokia Map application | 22:54 |
| Toba | huh | 22:55 |
| AStorm | zap: well, mapper works on its own | 22:55 |
| zfigz | Oh o | 22:55 |
| AStorm | at least here | 22:55 |
| Toba | so maemo mapper doesnt do agps? | 22:55 |
| AStorm | yup | 22:55 |
| zfigz | zap, did you pay for the Nokia Map application? | 22:55 |
| AStorm | no AGPS here anyway | 22:55 |
| AStorm | so mapper is much better, as it remembers gps data | 22:55 |
| zap | zfigz: no, but it works in non-paid mode, just with limited functionality | 22:55 |
| zfigz | jeward, where' you get the echo theme? | 22:56 |
| Callahad | zfigz, Echo is the default in OS2008 Diablo, I believe. | 22:56 |
| jeward | Yep. | 22:56 |
| zfigz | Oh ok, I don't see it in the theme selector | 22:56 |
| jeward | How do I tell maemo mapper about my built-in GPS? | 22:57 |
| zfigz | oh wait | 22:57 |
| Callahad | (maybe even in Chinook? I only had a Chinook-based N810 for three hours though, so I'm not sure) | 22:57 |
| zfigz | there it is | 22:57 |
| zfigz | duh | 22:57 |
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| Callahad | jeward, Select "Bluetooth" and leave the entry box blank. It should use the builtin | 22:57 |
| rm_you | ok well, i am going to go to lunch to celebrate, bbl | 22:58 |
| Callahad | rm_you, Enjoy a very happy lunch :) | 22:58 |
| rm_you | ^_^ | 22:58 |
| jeward | How long do I need to go outside to get a fix? | 22:59 |
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| Callahad | jeward, a minute or two for me. Hit the menu and you should be able to show the GPS status in a sidebar on Maemo Mapper | 22:59 |
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| Binky | Can anyone help me with maemo recorder? When i push the record button it shows 'Stopped' and won't let me record nothing | 23:00 |
| Callahad | Also, bluetooth keyboards are still slightly buggy in terms of sending multiple key events :/ Hello, maemmmmmo. | 23:00 |
| * jeward lunches. | 23:00 | |
| lcuk2 | rm_you, is it you thats done some wine website? | 23:00 |
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| rm_you | lcuk2: yes | 23:01 |
| lcuk2 | \o/ huzzzzah thank you | 23:01 |
| rm_you | ? | 23:01 |
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| lcuk2 | my mind hasnt completely gone to ruin | 23:01 |
| rm_you | :P | 23:01 |
| lcuk2 | i just got you mixed up - but it was either you or someone else | 23:01 |
| ReKlipz | has anyone tried using libgd on the n810? | 23:01 |
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| * lcuk2 has a mind like a sieve today | 23:02 | |
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| RST38x | Handwritig | 23:08 |
| RST38x | reognition sucks | 23:09 |
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| Callahad | haha. I've gotten better at it. Still haven't succeeded at writing a : | 23:10 |
| lcuk2 | RST38h, it could be worse: Dear aunt, let’s set so double the killer delete select all | 23:10 |
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| RST38bis | so many years and it is still a gimmick | 23:16 |
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| mikkov_ | does anybody like simutrans transport simulation? | 23:23 |
| RST38bis | it is called openttd | 23:25 |
| RST38bis | google for openttd maemo | 23:25 |
| mikkov_ | no i'm talking about simutrans ;) | 23:26 |
| zfigz | Anyone use that weather application | 23:26 |
| RST38bis | in the meanwhile: Ravenous Bears Raid Platinum Mine (two security guys already eaten, more to go) | 23:26 |
| RST38bis | mikkov: then the answer is probablu no... | 23:26 |
| mikkov_ | simutrans is much more advanced that openttd. anyway I just compiled it for maemo | 23:27 |
| GNUton | mikkov_: how does it work? | 23:29 |
| RST38bis | cool | 23:29 |
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| mikkov_ | GNUton: pretty slow as expected ;) | 23:30 |
| mikkov_ | GNUton: I'll put to extras-devel waiting for the better times (aka N900) | 23:30 |
| GNUton | mikkov_: ok great so we can try it.. | 23:31 |
| mikkov_ | GNUton: do you want fullscreen or menu entry? | 23:32 |
| RST38bis | ttd is already too advanced for me | 23:32 |
| GNUton | mikkov_: fullscreen | 23:33 |
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| pupnik | nice mikkov_ ... you can identify bottlenecks with the oprofile-enabled kernel on device | 23:34 |
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| mikkov_ | there's no way that I try to optimise simutrans at all. it can bring down any desktop on bigger maps | 23:36 |
| mikkov_ | :) | 23:36 |
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