IRC log of #maemo for Tuesday, 2009-06-02

Macerwell. my n95 got old quick00:00
Macerother than using the camera it kinda sucks00:00
qwerty12_N800jamiebennett: Though I'm curious as to where it's getting "w" from clean. What does consist of? (pastebin ;))00:00
Macerthink i'm going to ebay it00:00
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Macerunless someone learns how to hack the radio in it so i can get on tmob 3G00:01
Macerwhich i am sure is more a physical problem00:01
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qwerty12_N800Hmm, looks sane enough imo... :/00:05
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jamiebennettqwerty12_N800: Giving up on debhelper at the moment and trying to package the other dependencies until I figure it out.00:06
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lcukjamiebennett, isnt there rumblings that clutter wont be available for user apps00:12
jamiebennettlcuk Don't say that!!!!00:12
jamiebennettlcuk: where did you hear that?00:13
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jamiebennettlcuk: Just read the thread and I'm not overly clear on the stance. I see there is a bit of hoop jumping to be done but it doesn't rule out clutter based user apps.00:17
lcukheh @ a bit of hoop jumping00:18
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jamiebennettlcuk: Killing the hildon-desktop00:18
zakkmjamiebennett: your planning it for fremantle?00:18
zakkmthe OS that will only works on the new N900, which nobody seems to like so far from the leaked specs? ;p00:19
jamiebennettzakkm: No as it uses clutter and 3d effect's heavily.00:19
lcukzakkm, its much loved actually00:19
lcuktheres many folks who are behind it wholeheartedly :) me included00:19
roopeWell, I've heard from somewhere that the new device is actually rather nice.00:19
zakkmwhen the leaked specs thingy came out, i remember alot of people complaining00:20
lcukhiya roope00:20
kkrustybriefly what are the specs?00:20
kkrustyI recall the screen is smaller00:20
* jamiebennett wonders why my scratchbox refuses to play ball. Permission denied now for installing new packages :(00:20
zakkmis it chmod +x'd ?00:20
lcukbut then a lot of people would moan about anything right now00:20
zakkmit might not be set as executable00:20
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zakkmoh hah didnt read it all00:21
lcukzakkm, your name does not have a capital letter.  ALL NAMES MUST HAVE A CAPITAL LETTER AND ITS WRONG THAT THEY DO NOT00:21
Macerk9 is friggin broken00:21
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Zakkmlcuk ^00:21
* jamiebennett should probably give up for the night00:21
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lcukZakkm, thats the mindset tho00:22
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lcukroope, enjoying the sunshine?00:22
lcukand why werent you in copenhagen00:23
roopelcuk: Yes, nice sunshine. I wasn't invited there. :) But I'm probably (?) in Amsterdam then.00:23
lcukballs :(00:23
lcuki hope you are!00:23
roopeSo did you go there?00:24
lcukyeah and i came away with a skeleton package for libliqbase00:24
lcukdid you see my wicked search for liqbase? :D00:24
Zakkmlcuk: whats with all the new stuff people are adding to extras? anthing nice?00:24
roopeprobably not yet.00:24
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lcukZakkm, i dunno00:25
lcuktheres good stuff i know :)00:25
lcukroope, its really cool, the principle allows a screenful of widgets with lots of contents to be boiled down to a single item or set of matching items with very few keypresses00:26
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* lcuk is really impressed with it00:26
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Zakkmlcuk: browser support ?:D00:26
lcukits v raw at the moment but im in love with the idea and it fits with my global ops00:26
lcukZakkm, ?00:26
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Zakkmfor liqbase? :P00:26
Zakkmin libliqbase00:27
lcuknot yet :) i still have to make people use limited html for it to work best00:27
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lcukwebkit etal expect to render a big hard fast screenshot which is RGB00:27
jamiebennettmaybe a silly question but how to you do anything as root in scratchbox environment?00:27
lcukit would need converting00:27
lcukto yuv00:28
Zakkmstarting to use liqbase nightly :P00:28
lcukZakkm, but each cell in liqbase can have its own color and font and background and the system can dynamically load images on demand..00:28
lcukand i can layout as many as required00:28
Zakkmimage viewer ? :D00:28
lcukif you have the nightly theres a few00:28
Zakkmthat reads from .images?00:29
lcukfullscreen kinetics or zooming ones like i show in the videos00:29
Zakkmtheres a nightly?00:29
Zakkmimages folder on nokia00:29
lcukit scans /home/user/ and /media/mmc1 /media/mmc200:29
Zakkm.. /home/MyDocs/.images00:29
lcukand just shows everything it finds00:29
Zakkmahh /home/user/MyDocs00:29
lcukZakkm, scan is recursive00:29
Zakkmah cool00:29
lcukthats just a simple example00:30
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lcuktheres about 40 or so things built up like that00:30
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Zakkmlcuk: could it be built into a deb, the nightlys?00:31
lcukif you wanna have a play around you can either find the public github repo or signup for a codebasehq account00:31
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lcukZakkm, the very first package was created over the weekend00:31
Zakkmdeb package?00:31
lcukits gonna take a bit more time to iron out the problems with it, but yeah i see that happening v soon00:31
lcukits not published tho lol, its the framework for the package thats important00:31
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lcukthe package breaks many things00:31
Zakkmi was thinking if it could, i would take your git and make daily debs out of it and add to repo00:31
Zakkmlike help you out with that00:32
lcukill be making that a standard part of my routine :)00:32
lcukbut your help would be appreciated cos no doubt ill forget lol00:32
Zakkmi couldnt help like actually coding, i dont know C or anything00:32
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lcukZakkm, #liqbase is where most stuff is discussed now00:32
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Zakkmbut getting git, maknig deb, uploading , i could do00:33
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GeneralAntillesVDVsx, pong?02:33
VDVsxGeneralAntilles, did you tried to install the ovi store app in your 580002:35
GeneralAntillesVDVsx, yes, it worked02:35
GeneralAntillesBut it's slow to browse and the selection sucks.02:35
VDVsxon my device I got a lot of WRT/java error in the startup screen, lol02:36
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VDVsxGeneralAntilles, I'm not the only one, lol:
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Nomadoes anybody know if Despotify has been ported to maemo?03:26
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Nomaapparently yes03:29
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ZakkmNoma: <-- need premium though apparently03:30
NomaYep, just found it myself also:)03:30
Nomaif it works well, the premium account is not a problem - that amount of music "in my pocket" for 9,90e/month sounds good03:31
Zakkmyou'd still need wifi though03:32
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Zakkmyour better off with vagalume for free? :P03:32
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Nomabluetooth+3g on phone:)03:32
Nomawhat's vagalume?:)03:33
Zakkmheh 3g is expensive03:33
Zakkmvagalume is a nice gtk player on the tablet.. uses last.fm03:33
Zakkmwhich is free03:33
Nomawell, 10e/month for unlimited 3g ain't that expensive from my point of view :p03:33
Nomasounds interesting03:33
Zakkmwhere do you live?03:33
Zakkmand that allows tethering to nokia?03:34
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NomaE71 and N810 work very well together anyway, N810 is always immediately connected to internet when in range with E71:)03:36
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hubNoma: for 10EUR we get 1MB here03:42
Zakkmyou get about 200mb with that here03:42
Zakkm10eur a month03:42
Zakkmand im in toronto, canada -.-03:42
hubZakkm: that's what I meant03:42
Zakkmits ridicious03:43
hubit is monopoly03:43
Zakkmhave a friend that pays like 70-80euro and he gets like 5gb03:43
Nomanormal price for 384kbps speed with unlimited data is 9,90e/month in finland with every operator03:43
Zakkmi wonder if lcuk uses that :P03:44
Nomaunlimited speed and unlimited data is like 30e/month03:44
Nomabut i've managed to get over 1mbps speeds with that 384kbps also, their limiters are not working very well :p03:45
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hubhere it cost you $60 for a 6GB plan and that requires you to have "bought" the locked phone03:46
huband because they are a monopoly there is no choice03:47
Nomahow much do the not-mobile broadbands cost there?03:47
hub45$ for 4Mbit ADSL with caps03:48
hubfrom 60 to 200GB03:48
huband very bad service03:48
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Zakkmhub: where are you living?03:48
hub(ADSL is controlled by another monopoly)03:48
hubZakkm: in canada03:48
Zakkmwhere abouts?03:48
hubZakkm: how does that matter?03:48
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Zakkmnunavut has very different internet than edmonton :P03:49
hubit is the same cross-country03:49
NomaI've got 30Mbit adsl with no caps and i pay 40e/month for that03:49
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Zakkmi have 3mbit at home :)03:49
Zakkmwith 60gb a monnth cap03:49
hubZakkm: neither. I'd not live in Texas or in the frakkin' middle of nowhere03:49
lcukZakkm, i dont live in finland03:49
hubZakkm: thanks to Bell03:49
Zakkmlcuk: where do you live?03:50
Zakkmwhos in finland then?03:50
hubeven england has a better service than here03:50
Zakkmengland has amazing service :)03:50
huband they don't seem to be lucky with BT03:50
lcuknokia.* employees (ok a few exceptions lol)03:50
Zakkmlcuk: you know if you switch your user agent to sfari, your suppose to get free wifi in the uk?03:50
lcuknot in my neighbourhood i wont03:51
Zakkmits suppose to be highly over-the-air though03:51
lcukyeah wifi has that property03:51
Nomaa friend of mine has 100/100Mbit connection at home for just 25e/month03:54
lcuki have 55mbit wifi at home for free03:54
lcukconnecting to the internet costs more tho03:54
Zakkmhow you guys so lucky03:55
Zakkmi only have 3mbit03:55
lcuki dont know how fast the internet connection is03:55
lcuki think its 5003:56 is good for finding that out03:56
Zakkmthats bad03:56
luke-jrZakkm: that sucks03:56
lcukanyway gnite03:56
luke-jreven in the USA, which has crap for broadband, we have 12mbit for $45/mo03:57
Zakkmwell we only pay like $20 a month mind you03:57
Zakkmlcuk: 12quid? :P03:57
Zakkmbut yeah its not so bad, it lets me download what i want03:57
hubluke-jr: canada is badly influenced by the southern neighbour03:58
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Zakkmnooo ;p03:58
Zakkmtheres no influence :D03:58
luke-jrCanada is simply a lost cause in general03:58
Zakkmluke-jr: what are you talking about, do you live here?03:58
hubZakkm: there is, all the bad things03:58
luke-jrZakkm: I wouldn't live there if you paid me03:58
luke-jras terrible as the USA is, Canada is worse03:58
Zakkmyou'd rather live in the US?03:58
hubZakkm: including the cons, the corporate monopolies. etc03:58
Zakkmi would never want to live in the US right now03:59
hubluke-jr: at least canada does not treat their visitors like criminals03:59
hubluke-jr: and at least try to take care of their people03:59
Zakkmthe recession has destroyed the US03:59
luke-jrCanada will put people in jail for speaking out against perversion03:59
Zakkmall my US buddies are screwed right now looking for work03:59
hubZakkm: like it didn't hurt here03:59
hubZakkm: same here mind you03:59
hubZakkm: unless you work for the govt03:59
hubluke-jr: ahah. and the US execute people04:00
luke-jrhub: not nearly enough04:00
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hubthat's fortunately something they didn't pick here04:00
Zakkmi have to goto philidephia in august, and i fear for my life when i go there04:00
hubZakkm: why do you go then?04:00
Zakkmcause i have to visit someone04:01
hub"have to"?04:01
Zakkmwant to / have to..04:01
hubthen don't complain if you made the choice04:01
Nomabut both US and Canada have at least one priviledge compared to Finland - you don't have to watch NHL games in the middle of the night :p04:01
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Zakkmim making the choice, but it doesnt mean im not scared04:01
Zakkmi have never seen a NHL game in my entire life04:01
hubNoma: given the lenght of Finland's nights, it is not a reference04:02
Zakkmi dont even know how to play04:02
|Rlucky you04:02
|RI'm in Montreal, it's hard to escape hockey fever04:02
Zakkmi was there in march :D04:02
Zakkmsweet 18th birthday hah04:02
hubNoma: and FWIW, it is usually night when they start04:02
Zakkmcan legally drink there :p04:02
Zakkmwent to some sick ass casino too04:02
hub|R: it is gold season now for you04:02
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Nomahub: it's 4 am now here, and it's very bright outside :p04:02
Zakkmheh i love that :P04:02
|Rhub: Gold season? :)04:03
Zakkmi always wanted 24/7 of darkness :D04:03
hub|R: oops, I meant GOLF04:03
|RZakkm: yeah, it's pretty funny to meet americans in bars at 18 killing their brain and brafing in the street à 20h04:03
hub|R: what they do after being finished with hocker04:03
|Rs/à/at/ ;P04:03
|Rhaha :)04:03
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Zakkmyeah my two brothers took me, one of them knew the area well though, my other never been04:03
Zakkmim not american, im canadian :P04:04
Zakkmim in toronto04:04
hubZakkm: see, you even pick up the "american way" of "drinking age"04:04
Zakkmamerican is a insult :P04:04
|RZakkm: it's 19 there right?04:04
Zakkm18 in quebec, 19 in ontario :D04:04
|Rhehe :)04:04
hub|R: and they have to go to a beer store04:04
hubI just go to the gas station04:04
hub(when I have money)04:04
|Rhub: in ontario?04:04
Zakkmi have friends and such :P04:04
|Rhehe, not in quebec :)04:04
Zakkmin ontario, its only 3 stores you can get beer ;p04:04
hub|R: beer store, in ontario04:04
|Rbut fuck do we pay taxes!04:05
Zakkmin montreal, you can get everywhereee04:05
hub|R: if Quebec had to go through beer store, nobody would drink04:05
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|Rwhen i go to europe and you get 1.5L sangria bottle for 2E... here it's 20$04:05
|Rhaha :)04:05
Zakkmcheap alcohol04:05
hub|R: don't get me started04:05
Zakkmusually a bottle here is like $1.20 ?04:05
Noma|R: that depends on country:)04:05
|RNoma: yeah i know :)04:05
Zakkmalso have to think about money and such04:06
Zakkmwages, living expenses and such04:06
|Ri've got family in .fr and .cz and there it's quite cheap (as well in spain and germany i think)04:06
Zakkmdont drink that much to make it matter04:06
Nomawe were once on a school trip to poland, and our one night bar budget was the same as average students one month income04:07
Nomain poland04:07
Zakkmheh expensive :P04:07
|RAre you in Helsinki?04:07
Nomanope, in Tampere04:07
|RHaven't been north yet in europe, next time... :)04:08
NomaZakkm: a pint of beer costs like 0,4 euros there04:08
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Nomaor at least it did four years ago04:08
hubPrague with cheap beer... mmmm04:08
hubthat was awesome04:08
|Ryeah, 1$ per pint :)04:08
hubhad a team meeting there in 200704:08
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|RI'm going 3 weeks this summer (among other places) and, yeah, woohoo! ;)04:09
Nomain Finland it's 2,5e at cheapest04:09
|Rin Montreal, for a pint, uhm... 5$ ?04:09
|R(at best, usually more around 6)04:09
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Zakkmyou guys saying bar or buying for home?04:11
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|Rhome is around 1-1.5$/bottle04:11
|Runless you go extravaganza of course :)04:11
Zakkmpint = big glass right?04:12
Zakkmlike theres bottle then pint?04:12
|Rbottle = 341 ml04:12
Zakkmsorry im new at this04:12
Nomafor home it's about 1e/0,33l bottle in finland04:12
Zakkmmaybe $2.99 here?04:12
|R33cl for europeans :P04:12
hub|R: 22$ for a 2404:12
Zakkmthat just means ayou guys drink more eh?04:12
|R(we have stupid units here, it's metric but based on deprecated imperial standards (/me ducks))04:12
hub|R: that because of the americans04:13
hub|R: they can'04:13
|Ryeah, or the english, depending how far you go back :)04:13
hub|R: the can't re-learn it04:13
Zakkmso you guys drink alot?04:13
|Rwhen i can :P04:13
|Rhehe, it all depends ;)04:13
hub|R: no. it is still somewhat mapped in the american units because of uniformisation of containers and products04:14
|Rhub: yep04:14
hub|R: officially canada use A4 paper. but nobody sells it...04:14
Zakkma4 = 8.5x11 ?04:14
|Rwell, they use it for government paper in quebec i think and for legal papers (lawyers)04:14
|Rbut you can buy it anywhere04:14
Zakkmnobody uses that04:14
|RFutureShop or BureauEnGros has them04:15
Zakkm8.5x11 = everythingg04:15
Zakkmyou can get bigger of course04:15
Zakkmbut you dont see it04:15
|Rit's the european standard04:15
Nomain finland a4 is everywhere04:15
Nomaif you want any other size, you really have to search04:15
|Rwhich actually is a lot more intelligently conceived04:15
Zakkmlike obviously if you go paper shopping you will see it.. but if someone hands you a flyer, or you get a sheet in school... its ALWAYS 8.5x1104:15
|RA3 = 2 * A404:15
hubA4 = 210x297mm04:15
hubA3 is 420x29704:15
huband so on04:15
hubA0 is one square meter04:15
hubwith the same ratio in demensions04:15
|RA2 = 2 * A304:15
hub|R: it is an ISO standard04:16
Noma1:sqrt(2) is the width/length ratio04:16
Zakkmyeahhh A4 = 8.5x11 pretty much04:16
Nomaof the A4 -paper04:16
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hub|R: legal is not A404:16
Nomaand all that standard papers04:16
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hublegal is a long letter04:16
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hubZakkm: no.04:16
hubZakkm: A4 is NOT the same size04:16
Zakkmsays 8.3x11.704:16
Zakkmthats the closet ;p04:16
|Ruhm oops04:17
NomaA4 is 210x297mm04:17
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Noma8.3x11.7 in inches04:17
hubZakkm: closest does not mean the same04:17
hubZakkm: try to feed that to your printer04:17
hubPC Load Letter04:17
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Firebird:O what consumer grade printer accepts A004:19
|Rbig plotters i guess hehe04:19
hubFirebird: none. people use A4 :-)04:20
hubsome support A304:20
FirebirdI'd love to do poster printing at home04:20
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NomaI have a big home made poster on my wall, it just consists of 12 A4's :p04:21
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NomaRasterbator is very good program for that:
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wsuetholzEvery so often the desktop disappears, is this a known issue with the current release?05:08
Zakkmrelease of what?05:08
wsuetholzMaemo OS200805:09
Zakkmit disappears?05:09
wsuetholzYes the icons on the left disappear and the task switcher doesn't work05:10
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CutMeOwnThroatwhere does it go?05:12
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wsuetholzThink it's  43-7 if thats the latest from Nokia05:12
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GeneralAntilleswsuetholz, desktop crash.05:24
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GeneralAntillesEither one of the applets you're using it is bringing it down or you're using a Bluetooth keyboard05:24
ZakkmGeneralAntilles: bluetooth keyboards kill it, wouldnt that defeat the purpose?05:26
GeneralAntillesZakkm, only rarely upon reconnect.05:26
Zakkmthats terrible05:26
Zakkmand i was thinking of geting a bt one too05:26
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ZakkmGeneralAntilles: i hatee n800 osk, well more than all other devices but i purely love physical keyboards and i need for school05:34
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hubZakkm: that's why I use a Thinkpad: the keyboard05:34
luke-jrI miss the Zaurus keyboard :<05:39
hubI have a N800 and I get furstrated everytime05:40
huband no brownie point for whoever decided to surround the screen with a bezel05:40
hubbevel I mean05:40
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ljpprotects the screen from scratches05:45
huband protect the fingers from touching the edges05:46
hubmaking the finger keyboard unusable05:46
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Firebirdisn't the small keyboard the stylus keyboard and not the finger keyboard?05:48
Firebirdthe fullscreen finger keyboard is totally usable with the bevel05:48
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Zakkmstylus keyboard sucks, finger is aweseome, but i cant use it for long05:49
Zakkmsome strange OCD :P05:49
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hubFirebird: it is not for me05:52
hubFirebird: but obviously you don't have my fingers05:53
hubalso most of the action could be done with fingers05:53
hubincluding closing windows...05:53
hubif the bevel wasn't here05:53
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hubhow do you guys type text with the laptop keyboard in the SDK Xephyr session...06:54
hub<RETURN> is eaten by the input method...06:55
Macerin vietnam they based victory on the body count ratio :)06:56
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mib_6a047ii want to devolop handwriting recognization.if i use c++,how should i do. is there anybody who can give me a tip?07:16
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Zakkmmib_6a047i: handwriting recognization is done on the tablet itself07:23
Zakkmwhat would the app exactly do?07:23
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zakkm:( i cant remember my maemo talk account password ;p08:20
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LiraNunazakkm, try 12345608:38
skiburis ubuntu on the N800 fast?08:42
mib_6a047izakkm,do you have handwritting recognization sample?08:43
mib_6a047iit only have vitural keyboard.08:44
zakkmLiraNuna: wow i havent seen you in awhile08:45
hubskibur: why would you want to run ubuntu on the N80008:45
zakkmmib_6a047i: you click on the arrow in right corner, and change to handwritten08:45
LiraNunazakkm, yeah I'm rather busy lately08:45
zakkmhub: you will have full access to ubuntu repositories, rather than just maemo.. which is alot larger08:46
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hubzakkm: but you don't even have the space to install them08:46
hubzakkm: so no point08:46
skiburtrying something different08:46
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skiburI have diablo and Debian08:46
zakkmhub: of course you do?08:46
zakkmhub: n800 you can have like 64gb?08:47
mib_6a047imaybe i shoud have a look08:47
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zakkmmib_6a047i: when the virtual keyboard pops up, you can switch to handwritten08:48
hubzakkm: was that a question?08:49
zakkmskibur: deblet?08:49
zakkmyeah its a question by what do you mean by "you dont even have the space to install them" ?08:49
skibureasy deb08:49
skiburwith Lxde08:49
zakkmheh thats quite slow method :p08:50
zakkmskibur: you could dualboot and have mer, and install lxde in mer ;p08:50
zakkmnever heard of it?08:51
zakkmcool it worked08:51
skiburi have clone, imaged, on my tablet08:51
zakkmits like this alternate distro to maemo . .unofficial08:51
LiraNunaanyone cares to read proof?08:51
mib_6a047izakkm,thanks for your reply,but i don't see the arrow and switch to handwritting08:51
skiburthanks zakkm08:52
zakkmkk onesec mib ill get my tablet08:52
mib_6a047ido you have image about it?08:52
zakkmokay mib08:52
zakkmyou have stylus keyboard up right?08:53
zakkmmib_6a047i: you have stylus keyboard up?08:53
zakkmmib_6a047i: at the bottom left is an arrow pointing at a book you click it - input method - handwritting08:54
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mib_6a047ido you mean there is an arrow on the vitural keyboard?08:55
zakkmbottom left08:55
zakkmarrow going left and a piece of paper icon08:56
zakkmyou click it, input method -handwirtting08:56
mib_6a047ii see it08:56
zakkmLiraNuna: is that echo? :P08:58
zakkmyou leave it default?08:58
mib_6a047ithanks for your help08:59
LiraNunazakkm, I like how it looks :(08:59
zakkmecho wide scrollbars or normal?08:59
mib_6a047imaybe i have more problems08:59
LiraNunaalso, that's NOT _MY_ default09:00
LiraNunaI got the wimax edition09:00
LiraNunait uses Ilona as default09:00
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LiraNunawimax's version09:00
LiraNunasame as echo but orange09:00
qwerty12_N800Eurgh. that red version of echo?09:00
zakkmnever heard of it09:00
LiraNunait's wimax only09:01
zakkmapparently not09:01
zakkmwell its in repository09:01
qwerty12_N800Hmm, I remember iliona to be red09:01
zakkmhidden from application manager apparently09:01
zakkmbeen looking for a new theme09:01
LiraNunait's orange.09:01
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zakkmtheres a new hildon-theme-borgh but i dont like it ;p09:01
zakkmits like the Lcars ones09:01
zakkmis therelike hidden ones , on like maemo garage or something09:02
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zakkmLiraNuna: sweet got it installed :D09:03
LiraNunazakkm, Ilona?09:03
zakkmits accessible from apt-get ;p09:03
zakkmoh pfft09:03
zakkmits just orange instead of blue09:04
LiraNunaI said ...09:04
LiraNuna<LiraNuna> same as echo but orange09:04
LiraNunaalso there's a new background image09:04
zakkmstaying with tritanium i guess then09:04
LiraNunaany pictures?09:06
qwerty12_N800Nokia put out a valentine theme once.. probably where I got red from09:06
zakkmLiraNuna: you never seen it?09:06
LiraNunano, I got my N810WE for like, 3 weeks now09:07
zakkmqwerty12_N800: heh, how long you been using maemo?09:07
zakkmwhat did you have before that?09:07
qwerty12_N800about a year and some months, and I had a pocket pc before the N800 :)09:07
luke-jrLiraNuna: shoulda just got a N810 normal09:08
LiraNunaluke-jr, it was free09:08
luke-jrI don't see any chance of WE being supported09:08
luke-jreven N810 support is spotty09:08
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LiraNunayeah :(09:08
CutMeOwnThroatis it?09:08
LiraNunait was free, so oh well09:08
zakkmhowd you get it free?09:08
CutMeOwnThroatwhat are the spots?09:08
skiburmer, how long does it take to install?09:08
LiraNunazakkm, long story..09:08
luke-jrCutMeOwnThroat: keyboard and GPS right now09:08
CutMeOwnThroatkeyboard seems fine to me...09:09
luke-jrCutMeOwnThroat: you're using a Linux that isn't over 2 years old?09:09
CutMeOwnThroatbut I noticed no software to use the camera (except the phone-stuff) was installed09:09
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zakkmCutMeOwnThroat: you install camera.. from repostitories09:10
CutMeOwnThroatbut it's based on a distribution that's far > 10 years :)09:10
CutMeOwnThroatzakkm, yeah, I did... those seemed prone to crashing, though09:10
luke-jrN810 keyboard doesn't work usably in 2.6.3009:10
luke-jrand nobody with the know-how to fix it has a N810 as far as I can tell09:11
qwerty12_N800CutMeOwnThroat: use liqbase - works awesome for the camera09:11
zakkmwhy'd lcuk make the camera tiled in liqbase?09:11
CutMeOwnThroatluke-jr, the keyboard needs a special kernel-module?09:11
luke-jrCutMeOwnThroat: it has its own driver, yes09:11
qwerty12_N800zakkm: no idea but the picture isn't tiled09:11
luke-jrpretty ugly code, actually09:11
CutMeOwnThroatqwerty12_N800, will have a look...09:12
LiraNunaanyone cares to proof read?
LiraNunaI still need the scratchbox2 part :/09:12
CutMeOwnThroatluke-jr, any reason to go away from the 2.6.21 kernel, though?09:12
luke-jrCutMeOwnThroat: yeah, plenty09:12
zakkmLiraNuna: i tried, link doesnt work though?09:12
luke-jrworking wifi, sound, etc09:12
LiraNunazakkm, which link?09:12
luke-jrand 2.6.21 is ANCIENT09:12
zakkmLiraNuna: pastie one09:12
CutMeOwnThroatI still got a server that runs 2.4.X09:12
LiraNunaworks here?09:13
LiraNunajust used it09:13
luke-jrCutMeOwnThroat: that's insane09:13
zakkmpastie itself doesnt work for me?09:13
zakkmcould you pastebin it? :P09:13
LiraNunauh sure09:13
luke-jrdoes 2.4.x even get security patches still?09:13
zakkmsorry, i swear its not loading09:13
LiraNuna for those whore can't use pastie09:13
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zakkmhere we go :D09:13
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LiraNunaI'm currently following this guide and canadian cross compiling GCC for windows from Linux :D09:14
zakkmLiraNuna: development for maemo has stopped, except maemo 5... and mer doesnt use scratchbox09:14
LiraNunawhat does mer use?09:14
LiraNunaas in, how does development go?09:14
zakkmopensuse build service09:14
luke-jrLiraNuna: this is what I meant by no support :p09:14
LiraNunawhat about debug09:14
LiraNunaluke-jr, I know :(09:15
zakkmno idea, but its scratchbox-free09:15
CutMeOwnThroatdunno if it gets security updates... it's actually already updated but not rebooted09:15
LiraNunaif I can document it, I'd love to help being the SDK maintainer09:15
qwerty12_N800LiraNuna: I've done packages for Mer  just using the X terminal09:15
CutMeOwnThroatluke-jr, and what's the problem with gps - same?09:16
qwerty12_N800err.. the normal way of doing it09:16
luke-jrCutMeOwnThroat: no, much worse09:16
luke-jrCutMeOwnThroat: GPS has basically no real support at all09:16
CutMeOwnThroatI mean ... same in the sense that the driver didn't get adapted to 2.6.3009:17
luke-jrMaemo used an ugly Maemo-specific blob09:17
luke-jron the kernel side, GPS is a mere UART09:17
luke-jrmicrophone doesn't seem to work in 2.6.30 either09:18
luke-jrbut it didn't really work in 2.6.21 either09:18
zakkmluke-jr: how goes gentoo? :P09:18
luke-jrzakkm: kdelibs is being a jerk09:18
CutMeOwnThroatah, I remember09:19
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zakkmkdelibs.. that would take foreverr to compile09:19
luke-jrzakkm: when it fails inside qemu and runs out of memory linking on the tablet... yes09:19
CutMeOwnThroatwhat was the problem with the micro in 2.6.21?09:19
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luke-jrCutMeOwnThroat: audio in 2.6.21 was just screwed in general09:20
CutMeOwnThroatI only once tried to phone someone.. and yes, they had problems hearing me... but I thought it was just the wireless09:20
luke-jrno idea how Maemo used it, it doesn't work with normal ALSA09:20
CutMeOwnThroatdon't think I ever used the micro at any other time09:20
zakkmluke-jr: you should check maemo sdk ;p09:20
zakkmCutMeOwnThroat: the mic on it is perfect, ive found09:20
zakkmn800 here09:20
luke-jrzakkm: N800 has a different mic09:21
luke-jror at least different setup for it09:21
zakkmthan n810?09:21
luke-jrN810 mic is on the bottom edge09:21
luke-jrN800 mic is on the top09:21
CutMeOwnThroatthat's not a "different mic" as such, though09:22
luke-jrCutMeOwnThroat: presumably there was a reason to move it?09:22
zakkmit depends on chipset, and whether theres physical stuff blocking it making it weaker09:22
CutMeOwnThroatoh, but actually now that you say that, I think I finally found the micro hole09:22
qwerty12_N800luke-jr: ah, but you've got sound - N800 driver was removed iirc because it needs an update. I'd be happy to hear if that's not the case anymore...09:22
CutMeOwnThroatwell, that IS a weird place to have it09:22
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CutMeOwnThroatit's underneath that little metal stand?09:23
luke-jrCutMeOwnThroat: also, as qwerty12_N800 just confirmed, N800 and N810 use different drivers09:23
CutMeOwnThroatwell, that's smart... bet a microphone works a hell lot better when you cover it up :)09:23
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CutMeOwnThroatto be fair, only about 10-20% are covered, though09:24
luke-jretiher way, it doesn't work yet09:24
CutMeOwnThroatbut no big wonder I was never able to find it09:24
luke-jrI thoguht it was the thing on top of the webcam09:24
luke-jrseemed the obvious place for it -.-09:24
CutMeOwnThroatyeah, that's what I also thought09:25
CutMeOwnThroatbut that's... a flash?09:25
luke-jrI light sensor I think09:25
luke-jrto auto-adjust contrast09:25
CutMeOwnThroator an autofocus light?09:25
Stskeepsnah, light sensor09:25
luke-jrnever seen it light up09:25
Stskeepsambient light sensor or something09:25
CutMeOwnThroaterr... why'd you need something but the camera itself for that?09:26
Stskeepsit's used to auto-adjust brightness09:26
luke-jrCutMeOwnThroat: camera uses more power?09:26
CutMeOwnThroateh? it's on anyway when you need to adjust brightness?09:26
qwerty12_N800CutMeOwnThroat: You've used the camera right?09:26
luke-jrCutMeOwnThroat: display brightness, not camera brightness09:26
CutMeOwnThroatnot so often... as I said... stuff crashed09:27
* luke-jr ponders if the camera works in 2.6.3009:27
CutMeOwnThroathm, ok, that would make sense, but I've not seen that happen09:27
luke-jrme either tbh09:27
CutMeOwnThroat(I mean light-dependent change of display intensity)09:27
luke-jrmaybe Stskeeps should see if quim has a 3rd N810 to donate that can go to someone in kernel dev :>09:28
luke-jrwe desperately need someone with the ability to fix support and mainline it09:28
CutMeOwnThroatqwerty12_N800, I usually stop playing with the software that leads to a crash rather quickly :)09:28
qwerty12_N800Heh, fair point :)09:29
CutMeOwnThroatwell, but if I gave my one away, I wouldn't have it anymore and wouldn't profit from the improvement09:29
CutMeOwnThroatno way!09:29
luke-jrCutMeOwnThroat: that's why I was talking about getting Nokia to donate one for the purpose09:29
Stskeepsluke-jr: i just think general support for tablets in general are needed09:29
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luke-jrStskeeps: the only real flaws in 2.6.30 that I can see are N810-specific09:30
Stskeepsluke-jr: well you didn't test on a n800 :P09:30
* CutMeOwnThroat . o O ( good choice then, CutMeOwnThroat )09:30
luke-jrStskeeps: nope, but N800 doesn't *have* a keyboard or GPS09:30
CutMeOwnThroatit's got that radio, though, no?09:31
Stskeepsi can't imagine why anyone would do a mainlining without 1) lots of time 2) cash09:31
CutMeOwnThroatyou would have found SOMETHING :)09:31
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Stskeepsluke-jr: anyway, n810's are in a decent price range atm09:31
CutMeOwnThroatqwerty12_N800, "fullscreen starfield screensaver" wtf has that to do with the camera? you said liqbase... didn't you?09:32
qwerty12_N800CutMeOwnThroat: You've actually been to the menu yet?09:32
qwerty12_N800(hint, give it a tap)09:33
CutMeOwnThroatno, the fscking wireless of the university doesn't extend into my office09:33
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CutMeOwnThroatso I can't install while here09:33
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zakkmliqbase is awesomeee09:37
LiraNunazakkm, now imaging it with the MBX working...09:40
Stskeepsyeah, it'll be interesting to see if it goes ahead09:40
Stskeepsit sounded decent atm09:40
LiraNunaStskeeps, how does development to mer is done?09:41
qwerty12_N800if that fails: next step: license jazelle :P09:41
LiraNunaStskeeps, mer "SDK"09:41
LiraNunaqwerty12_N800, lmao09:41
StskeepsLiraNuna: you develop in either a X86 chroot or VMDK with the whole maemo system running, and then when your package is done and tested, you submit it to OBS and it gives you nice armel packages (building locally or on a farm)09:42
Stskeepswithout any fuss whatsoever beyond that09:42
Stskeepsyou can also code directly on device09:42
LiraNunaoh wow, canadian cross'ing GCC for winblows works09:42
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LiraNunaanyone wants to test GCC 4.4 targeting maemo on windows?09:42
LiraNunaliqbase dude might be interested in a newer GCC,09:43
zakkmStskeeps: how goes finger keyboard support? :)09:43
LiraNunaGCC 3.x -> GCC 4.x is leaps ahead09:43
Stskeepszakkm: not sure, code it?09:43
zakkmLiraNuna: he goes by lcuk :)09:43
LiraNunazakkm, ooh09:43
zakkmStskeeps: i cant code :)09:43
LiraNunaooooh lcuk209:43
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zakkmi can somewhat read code, but i failed computer science in school09:44
LiraNunaanyone wants GCC 4.4 for winblows targeting maemo4?09:44
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zakkmLiraNuna: not many devs here use winblows ;p09:44
LiraNunawhat about build instructions for linux then :)09:44
zakkmyou could put in developers part of maemo talk :P09:45
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LiraNunaI don't put unfinished/untested stuff in forums09:47
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mib_6a047ii want to use dynamic library,which code sample i shoud see?10:20
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lcuk2mib_6a047i, there are numerous examples on the net for dynamic linking with .so files, you dont need a specific maemo one10:32
lcuk2LiraNuna, that sounds quite cool, but what about lib support10:32
lcuk2zakkm, yes it is lol :D10:32
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lcukzakkm, ive been thinking about what you said last night and I might just have a plan..10:33
zakkmlcuk: about to go use liqbase in about 5-10min after i finish encoding mer maemo conference vid10:33
zakkmwhat did i say last night?10:33
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lcukyes, i havent got time now lol10:33
lcukbut it involves your offer to build a package from liqbase10:33
lcukfor the nightlies10:34
zakkmoh that was last night for you?10:34
zakkmits still the same day for me , i havent slept yet ( im 5 hours before you )10:34
lcukyes i woke up10:34
LiraNunalcuk, lib support?10:34
lcuksince i do dev on the device - it would help if i could carry on myself as i do and let others who have full dev env setup to do package10:35
zakkmlcuk: i meant nightly / semi-nightly deb too not just the one10:35
lcukyes zakkm thats what i meant as well10:35
lcukits a pain in the ass for me to build a package and i cant get autotools or dpkg working easily on tablet10:35
lcukwe have basic package source running now - in the next few days i will finish getting it in shape etc10:36
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lcukLiraNuna, you said gcc4 stuff on windows10:36
lcuknot all libs are available on windows10:37
LiraNunait targets MAEMO10:37
LiraNunaa cross compiler10:37
zakkmheh should use cygwin10:37
lcuknahhh i prefer the device itself ;)10:37
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lcukLiraNuna, it does sound interesting - it would cut out major problems for me10:38
LiraNunaGCC 4.4 cross compiler for windows or linux10:38
LiraNunatargets maemo10:38
zakkmlcuk: ive never acutally added anything to extras / extras-devel..but is it just a matter of naming and uploading.. and waiting?10:38
zakkmwho runs it?10:39
lcukzakkm, when i get back tonight im gonna fill in an app for libliqbase on garage10:39
LiraNunalcuk, let me upload a 7z10:39
zakkmoh cool found "uploading to extras" wiki page10:39
lcukLiraNuna, im not in any position to do anything right now but send me a mail at and ill look tonight10:40
RST38hThere is a new Tegra-based tablet coming out10:40
LiraNunalcuk, oh, no problem10:40
lcukoooh liqbase should run really fast on that (H)10:40
RST38hlcuk: I do not think so, the main CPU is kinda weak10:40
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lcukits super fast on omap2 already ...10:41
lcukand runs on baconfat on omap310:41
lcukand goes into orbit on x8610:41
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LiraNunaif anyone's interested:
* lcuk wonders what kind of analogy i could use for tegra10:42
LiraNunalcuk, omap10:42
zakkmlcuk: who controls extras-devel repo?10:43
lcukmaemo does10:43
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zakkmlike nobody on irc?10:43
lcukyeah some of the overlords exist10:44
lcukbut i dunno10:44
lcukim off to work \o cyas later10:44
LiraNunaif anyone wants to build his/her own version on Linux, here's a (beta) guide:
zakkmversion of linux?10:44
zakkmdistro? :P10:44
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RST38hlcuk: BACON:,,6651997,00.jpg10:45
lcukLiraNuna, does this pastie expire ?10:45
LiraNunano idea10:45
lcukthx for mail, im gonna c&p it lol10:45
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LiraNunaplease note that canadian cross compiling (what I did) is harder10:45
LiraNunacompilingon linux (for linux) is much easier10:45
lcukyeah targeting canadian binaries is harder than european ones10:46
zakkmThe term Canadian Cross came about because at the time that these issues were all being hashed out, Canada had three national political parties.10:47
hubthere are 5 now10:48
zakkmgoing to bed, goodnight!10:48
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hubonly 4 with seats10:48
hubin the house of commons10:48
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RST38hTegra-based Mobinnova Èlan running Windows CE rocks our world11:09
RST38hWindows CE. Eeeek.11:10
Stskeepsyay, hello kitty photo frames11:17
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RST38hSts: Inform Myrtti right away =)11:23
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RST38hMyrtti: hello Kitty picture frames!11:27
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* RST38h hides11:28
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Myrttithat's fugly11:30
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RST38hNot according to Sanrio execs =)11:32
ciroiplook like a pink n800...11:33
zapAnybody knows if there's a libgmp3 for Maemo? I see some traces of it in builder log, but it's not in any of the official repos...11:35
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radic_Stskeeps: you are there?11:45
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lardmanzap: dunno, but it builds without any patching12:02
zapI'm just interested what was the reason to remove it from repository12:02
zapperhaps the f*d US regulations about cryptography12:03
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RST38hHaven't restrictions on SSL code been lifted already?12:05
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Stskeepsis N810 usb cable micro usb B or A?12:05
zapmicro USB B12:07
RST38hAnyone filed a bug about header being two different sizes when you logged in and when not?12:07
Stskeepszap: thanks12:08
X-FadeRST38h: You seem to see a lot of strange things that I really can't reproduce?12:08
lardmanzap: I'm not sure it was ever in there actually12:08
zaplardman: see this log:
X-FadeRST38h: Did you change your default font or somthing like that?12:08
lardmanzap: oh yeah12:10
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zaplibgmp3c2 2:4.2.2+dfsg-312:12
zaplooks like a Nokia package12:12
RST38hX-Fade: That does not necessarily mean that I am not seeing things :)12:13
RST38hX-Fade: No, FF3, normally sized fonts12:14
RST38hX-Fade: Should I investigate a bit more and report?12:14
X-FadeRST38h: No, I'm not saying that. But it looks like something is up at your end (settings or something else?)12:14
RST38hIt is minor but bugs me by its subtlety12:14
RST38hX-Fade: Oh, it occurs on both my home and work machines12:14
X-FadeRST38h: Hmmm.12:14
RST38hX-Fade: So it is NOT something on my end (and neither is the login problems)12:15
infobotRST38h meant: X-Fade: So it i NOT something on my end (and neither is the login problems)12:15
X-FadeRST38h: Can you create a screenshot?12:15
RST38hX-Fade: Will attach to bug report12:15
zaphmm, funny12:15
zapwhen I log in with a bad username/password, the page suddenly enlarges a bit12:16
zaplike if I would set 125% zoom\12:16
zapand after a couple seconds it jumps back to 100%12:16
zapwith no actions on my side12:16
X-FadeSo it is the authentication page?12:16
zapthis is http://maemo.org12:17
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zaphmm, my login/password doesnt work as well :)12:17
zapFF3 here too12:17
RST38hlet me file it, with a few screenshots12:18
zapStskeeps: actually it's "micro AB"12:18
Stskeeps.. AB?12:18
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zapA is for host, B is for device plug12:19
zapAB is for USB-on-the-go12:19
zapNokia can act both as host and device12:19
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zapyou can plug both USB micro-B and USB micro-A plugs into AB12:19
JamieBennettdoes anyone have a problem with no feedback for the 'thumbs up' and 'thumbs down' feature of planet maemo? I never know if it has registered or not.12:20
Stskeepsi just hope the ones i just ordered are ok :P12:20
RST38hamie: there is a bug report for that12:20
RST38hJamie: it should light 'em up12:20
JamieBennettAh OK RST38h.12:20
minra-is media player source avail?12:21
RST38hshit, I restarted FF and now I am logged in but the Midgard bar is gone12:21
minra-i could reduce suckage without adding bloat12:21
minra-what is midgard12:21
JamieBennettminra-: http://www.midgard-project.org12:23
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JamieBennettminra-: Its what runs on12:25
RST38hX-Fade: 461312:26
X-FadeRST38h: Ok, thanks12:26
lardmanzap: it's just the standard package name actually:
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floriangood morning12:27
X-FadeRST38h: So the register button is zoomed when not logged in?12:27
lardmanhi florian12:27
X-FadeRST38h: Or stretched..12:27
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X-FadeRST38h: I can only trigger that kind of zooming when I use ctrl + ?12:31
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lcukX-Fade, your human macro zoom should work without pressing CTRL, just move closer to the page :P12:35
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lcuk(hiya btw)12:37
X-Fadelcuk: Yeah, that is another option ;)12:37
lcukX-Fade, if i create a project as gpl in garage can i change the license at a later date (looking like lgpl) when I have gone over the issues12:38
X-Fadelcuk: You should be able to change that license yourself in the admin part.12:39
lcukok didnt know whether it was an interface or not :)12:39
lcukwould it be evil to keep libliqbase gpl entirely ;)12:39
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andre__lcuk, for a later license change (e.g. from gpl to lgpl) you will have to contact any past contributors. that can be fun if some email addresses are not working anymore12:44
lcukandre__, i am still in contact with every single person (essentially myself)12:45
lcuktheres the packaging this weekend and a few bits from my good friend kotczarny but on the whole its my code to change12:46
andre__yeah... but in ten years after billions of contributions to liqbase you will have fun :-P12:46
lcukthe original liqbase is gpl2  with option of 3, but the library really needs to be better defined12:47
lcukoh - the stuff z4chh has done recently as well - right, shall hash it over and change it soon lol12:48
lcukandre__, ill just file bugs at you to contact everyone :P12:48
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andre__lcuk, i will find a way to avoid that job. and if not i can always quit with a 30 days' notice ;-)12:55
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lcukheh andre__ ill disguise it somehow but still end up with you handling it :D13:03
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Stskeepslo qwerty1213:09
qwerty12hey Stskeeps13:09
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RST38hX-Fade: No Ctrl+ involved13:09
X-FadeRST38h: It should as the first part shows the white line artifact beween above the orange part.13:10
X-FadeRST38h: Try to hit ctrl- when you see that.13:10
RST38hX-Fade: I am absolutely not pressing anything extra13:10
RST38hX-Fade: not clicking any keys just the mouse button13:11
X-FadeNo, but your browser remembers zoom?13:11
RST38hNot really, why should it?13:11
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lardmanhello amit_usual13:47
amit_usuallardman hi13:47
lardmandid you get my email?13:48
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djinnhello all13:49
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lardmanI think I'd have sore ears listening to music for 25days straight ;)13:56
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lcuklardman, thats holly whacking you round the head for using ipod whilst at the wedding14:36
lardmanif it had been an Nxxx it would have been better? ;)14:37
lcukheh its worth it if its new tech :D14:37
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lcukeven i would risk the wrath of tracy for that lol14:37
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RST38hWhoever makes another comment to that N900 thread is going to start on the 100th page. Hurry up folks!14:39
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lcukRST38h, just edit your post so its longer14:40
RST38hlcuk: I am not THAT vane :)14:41
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lardmanwind turbine?14:44
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AnunakinHi All!14:54
AnunakinHey guys! N900 is true? or a lie?14:54
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RST38hFinnish government is behind it, too14:54
qwerty12Pandora people is helping them14:54
StsN801Anunakin, nothing official out yet14:54
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StsN801not so much a lie but a conspiracy14:55
RST38hqwerty: That would be a huge factor against N900 being released on time =)14:55
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RST38hN900 is actually going to be a homing device masquerading as a cell phone14:56
StsN801that's what i fear our donated n810s are ;)14:56
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RST38hSts: Yea, that is for sure. Nokia donates you an n810 and you start visiting Mameo/Mozilla meets, etc =)14:57
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RST38hNot to mention those Chinese forums...14:58
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StsN801lo timeless15:02
* timeless_mbp wonders if this vm will work15:03
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mib_gc3m2oi can't see it on the vitural keyboard,after i build the hildon-input-plugins-example and install it.what't the problem?15:05
mib_gc3m2ois there anybody who can give me a tip? thans15:06
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mib_gc3m2ono,it's diablo15:07
mib_gc3m2odo you have experence?15:07
StsN801code or os?15:07
mib_gc3m2ocode sample15:07
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StsN801ok, and where do you run it?15:08
mib_gc3m2oi just build and install it in the sdk15:08
StsN801not sure how it works there15:09
RST38hHo ho ho, another conspiracy thread!15:09
mib_gc3m2oafter i build the sample,there is no bin file15:10
mib_gc3m2oit is a .so file15:10
StsN801of course15:11
StsN801hildon input method can load it15:11
mib_gc3m2oi build a package and install it15:11
mib_gc3m2othe step is like this,but i can't see it on the keyboard15:12
mib_gc3m2oit is always older one15:12
mib_gc3m2ohow to switch to it?15:12
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StsN801on n800/n810?15:13
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StsN801lo yerga15:13
StsN801the menu should have it15:13
yergaHi StsN80115:14
mib_gc3m2oyou mean the button menu15:14
StsN801yeah, the one on the old keyboard15:15
mib_gc3m2oat the bottom-left15:15
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mib_gc3m2oi see it ,it shows what i have install.15:16
mib_gc3m2obut it display in grey state.15:16
mib_gc3m2oi can't click it15:16
StsN801ok, asking someone. sec15:18
StsN801can i ask what you want to develop?15:18
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mib_gc3m2oi learn it lately15:19
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mib_gc3m2odo you build the input-method sample?15:20
StsN801you're more than welcome to help with hildon input method plugins in Mer project (see
StsN801we need help in that area so15:20
mib_gc3m2oi have seen the code sample,but i can't install it properly15:21
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StsN801well if it shows up so far so good15:23
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mib_gc3m2oyeah it shows up now, it seems to not be switch the older one.15:27
mib_gc3m2oswitch to older one15:28
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StsN801ok, it has something to deal with supported languages maybe15:29
mib_gc3m2oif i install,it could only show my input method and not show another one.15:29
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mib_gc3m2oswitching between twe input method can be implemented with supported languages.15:31
mib_gc3m2odo you have ever seen some handwritting input method?15:33
mib_gc3m2odo you know where to switch between them15:34
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StOrM_NWis the fremantle release stable? and where can i get a website explaining how to flash to this release if so?15:43
RST38hFremantle is currently not available for the devices15:43
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RST38hFremantle SDK (development kit) is available for preview in beta15:43
StOrM_NWoh k, so diablo version is still the more up-to-date release for the devices?15:44
StOrM_NWok thanks for the help15:44
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X-FadeHeh, sharing plugins category surfaces again ;)15:45
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minra-RST38h, did you ever find a way to get 50-60fps true screen updates at any resolution?15:48
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lcukminra-, thats entirely feasible using xv and lower than 800*48015:50
minra-would like to get true synched screen updates at 320x20p15:50
lcukgrab liqbase from extras and change the resolution and take a look for yourself :)15:51
minra-lcuk, your liq code to do this is available?15:51
lcukyeah its in garage15:51
minra-thank you sir15:51
lcukthe released one which has resolution changes at least15:51
Sesrundoes anyone know of a os2008 maemo app to calculate sunrise/sunset data tables per long/lat?15:51
lcukthe new one doesnt do that lot, its used for fullscreen stuff15:51
minra-i think the controller hides true vsync from us15:52
lcukSesrun, if theres a console/gtk app to do itfor linux in general it should be possible to use15:52
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minra-have you code to fix tearing in horiz scroll?15:53
Sesrungotcha didn't know that. i'll search around some more. thanks15:53
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minra-i think synched updates not possible at 50-60hz15:54
minra-at any res15:55
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mib_nrn5zfIn maemo devolopment which tool is the most useful debug tool?15:55
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mib_nrn5zfi want to see the debug output.15:55
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lardmanis there some more detail about the location framework somewhere?15:57
lardmanand specifically whether there is a server based backend used to do look-ups from things like wifi MACs/gsm tower ids/etc.?15:58
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lcukminra-, i seem to have no problem with tearing :)16:03
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RST38hlardman: I would seach for GeoClue16:04
lardmanit isn't geoclue based though is it16:04
lardmanI seem to remember that specific fact16:05
X-Fadelardman: No it is Nokia's own framework.16:05
RST38hWait, cancel that:
RST38hlardman: Yes16:05
lardmanI was just idly thinking about whether the creation of such databases would be beneficial16:05
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lardmanah, city name stuff looks quite useful16:06
RST38hThey exist already, commercial ones16:06
lardmanI wonder if it will also do lat-lon -> post/zip-codes?16:06
RST38hTIGER db will do that for US16:06
lardmanin the UK the lookups require payment, or Google I guess16:07
Myrttino, wolfram alpha will do it *ALL* *grin*16:08
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lardmanlunch-time drinking Myrtti? ;)16:08
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Myrttilardman: lack of caffeine16:08
HypnotoadYes? Somebody called?16:08
lardmanMyrtti: now I mention it I could do with a beer, mmmm16:09
Myrttiand it's almost dinner time16:09
lardmanwell lots of lunch-time drinking then! :D16:09
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* Hypnotoad thoroughfully hypnotizes everyone present into buying iPhones16:10
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lardman~lart Word for 'correcting' spellings that are already correct16:12
* infobot blasts Word with a huge firehose then strangles Word with it for 'correcting' spellings that are already correct16:12
RST38hlardman: Microsoft has got a better tool for that now16:12
RST38hWhen writing a C# program, Studio will actually try to correct your coding by replacing "Key" with some "KeyHandlerExceptionType" etc.16:13
lardmanlike an auto complete thing?16:14
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RST38hYes, but an extremely proactive and annoying one16:15
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lardmanI know your pain, I'm also having troubles with the wonders of auto-capitalisation, when I actually want lower case, arrrgh x216:16
* RST38h usually solves this by using PICO for all his typing needs16:16
RST38hAnd if these guys really want .doc, let 'em convert it themselves from .txt16:17
lardmannot sure pico would like my equations and diagrams, etc16:17
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minra-just sketch them in liq16:20
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minra-ive seen results from last year lcuk.  only valid test for tearing is horizontal pynning16:21
cmugto begin or not to begin16:21
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cmugok instead of deciding now I get coffee16:28
lardmanI did the same16:29
lardmanthen went back to Word16:29
cmughmm, I have so many things to begin that I can't even decide what to begin :(16:29
cmugbut coffee tastes good atleast16:30
lardmanI've got lots begun, but few finished16:30
cmugsounds like the story of my life ;-)16:30
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cmugIsn't the script supposed to start the hildon-home aswell or am I mistaken?16:36
cmugin fremantle16:36
cmugto answer myself, yes, yes it is16:37
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StOrM_NWi was trying to flash the n810 to use stlc45xx and i follow the README and i had to set some necessary R&D flags using this command flasher --set-rd-flags=no-omap-wd,no-retu-wd,no-lifeguard-reset ... and after that i flashed with the compiled kernel ... now what i have to do to reboot the device ... i can only see the Nokia logo and a icon with the device and a screwdriver, any help really appreciate16:56
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qwerty12You've taken out the USB cable?16:57
StOrM_NWno, do i have to?16:57
qwerty12Yeah, once done, remove the cable :P16:57
StOrM_NWany button that i need to hold? or press before try to reboot16:59
qwerty12No, there is nothing that you can do apart from poppin' the battery at that point17:00
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StOrM_NWremoved the baterry and same screen17:01
StOrM_NWkernel problem?17:02
qwerty12You sure the kernel you flash is sane?17:02
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StOrM_NWi got it from git and compiled using the maemo-sdk, but i guess maybe its better if i flashed it to the stable version17:03
StOrM_NWi mean the diablo one17:03
qwerty12Flash the original one and if that works, try your one again but instead of using --flash, use --boot17:03
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qwerty12At least that way you can ascertain if the kernel you flashed is dodgy. And if it is, a removal of the battery will use the original kernel again17:05
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zaphmm strange problem... I have ARM binaries running fine in scratchbox (/bin/sh for example), but programs I compile won't run (says Permission denied). Anybody encountered such a problem?17:07
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X-Fadezap: Did you move them away from your mmc?17:07
RST38hzap: they are probably on the no-exec fs17:07
zappermissions are ok17:08
zapthey're on NFS17:08
RST38hpermissions do not matter if it is mmc17:08
zapcould be indeed17:08
X-Fadezap: mmc is mounted no-exec17:08
X-Fadeah ;)17:08
RST38hcheck how that NFS is mounted17:08
zap/home is NFS, the rest is in /scratchbox :)17:08
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zapfinally worked :)17:15
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StOrM_NWwhat the default R&D flags? i flashed with the old version but now when i turn it on its shows  the version of kernel, release and other things in green ... and when it boot i got the first setup but after 1 min or less the screen begin to fade out and shutdown the device17:18
StOrM_NWam i doing something wrong? i used flasher -F image -f -R17:18
qwerty12To flash a kernel, it's -k - not -F17:19
StOrM_NWi flashed using the RX-44-DIABLO_5.2008.43-7_PR_COMBINED_MR0_ARM.bin17:20
qwerty12Oh, you reflashed.17:20
qwerty12There is no default rd-mode flags - Nokia don't ship their devices with it enabled17:21
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StOrM_NWso there is a way to undo flasher --set-rd-flags=no-omap-wd,no-retu-wd,no-lifeguard-reset?17:21
StOrM_NWflasher --disable-rd-mode?17:22
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StOrM_NWso if i want to just test the kernel that i built i have to just try flasher -k image -f -R?17:24
StOrM_NWflasher -k image -b to boot right?17:27
qwerty12Think so, I haven't used that option in about a year. IIRC, -l param is needed too17:28
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StOrM_NWyeah, i guess the kernel is damaged.17:30
StOrM_NWthanks qwerty12 for the help17:30
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wazd_n800heya world17:33
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KurtKrautWhat text editors we have to Maemo that has support highlights to LaTeX, bash, HTML etc?17:37
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mgedminKurtKraut: vim17:40
mib_nrn5zfmaybe cscope17:41
zapKurtKraut: mcedit17:42
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KurtKrautzap: thanks17:43
zapmcedit is in the mc package17:43
KurtKrautzap: so it is CLI?17:43
zapit's console17:43
zapsed is CLI :)17:44
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KurtKrautzap: What I dislike in options like vim and mcedit is the console. I think it is not easy to adjust to a font size to enhance the readability17:45
qwerty12KurtKraut: - dunno if it does LaTeX but it does do bash and HTML probably as it does php17:45
zapwhy not, just pop up console settings17:45
zapalso, install the dejavu-fonts package and use the dejavu fixed font17:45
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KurtKrautqwerty12: I've tried this out and it is horrible. Doesn't allow to adjust font size. I can barely see what I'm writing17:47
zapKurtKraut: in console you may press + and - buttons (on the top of N810) to adjust font size17:48
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zapalso you may create your own .desktop file with a command like 'osso-xterm -e mcedit %f' to allow editing files directly from file manager17:50
qwerty12That works? I thought the file manager goes through all its mime_open dbus-signal crap17:51
zapso what, it anyways finishes in the .desktop files17:51
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zapbut I'm not 100% sure :)17:52
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KurtKrautzap: that looks great17:53
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KurtKrautzap: I noticed a problem in mcedit. It requires F1, F2,F3.. keys to input commands. It is quite annoying to do it in Maemo17:54
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wazd_n800jeez, 54 pages of flame bout n900 screen...17:56
RST38hwazd: 54? Last time I checked there were 10017:56
X-Fadedepends on your settings :)17:57
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qwerty12RST38h: posts per page in board settings17:57
wazd_n800RST38h, well, 54 is about screen only)17:57
RST38hqwerty: Ah!17:57
qwerty12Ah, it's "Edit Options" - I was thinking in IPB17:58
wazd_n800people always want to complain bout something17:58
wazd_n800screen size, color sceme, d-pad, keyboard rows, hardware lock switch, power button  in the wrong place, bezel, no bezel17:59
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wazd_n800"screen is 3.5", I can't read it anymore!!!"18:01
wazd_n800move in closer to your eyes, dude18:01
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ShadowJKthis is why I want holographic screen or something, so that you can keep screen right infront of your nose, but focus into the screen a few metres away :)18:02
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ShadowJKhm, about 20cm is closest I can comfortably focus on something18:04
X-FadeShadowJK: You don't need to hold it that close ;)18:04
X-FadeIt would be almost filling your complete field of vision at that point ;)18:05
ShadowJKbut but... the screen has so many pixels, imagine how many columns I can get in xterm with an 8pixel font18:05
ShadowJKif only I figure out how to focus!18:05
X-FadeShadowJK: I always have that idea with these virtual reality glasses..18:06
ShadowJKfield of vision is 180 degrees or something, need curved tablet to fill it all :)18:06
wazd_n800btw, as n900 will have USB host option and linux now has drivers for external usb displays...18:07
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X-Fadewazd_n800: And it has video out.18:07
ShadowJK... and n800/n810 has usb host option, and there are drivers and support packages in extras for the usb->vga adapters?18:07
X-FadeAnd it can charge from usb :)18:07
ShadowJKI think all new Nokia things can charge from USB, they did sign on to the "industry standard" after all :)18:08
wazd_n800can it make some coffee?)18:08
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X-Fadewazd_n800: Talk with your upnp coffee machine? :)18:09
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wazd_n800And the last thing that surprises me is that many people are absolutely sure that n900 will be a phone for 100%18:13
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X-Fadewazd_n800: The developer device at least didn't look like a phone.18:17
X-FadeNo speaker where you would expect your ear to be. (Just 2 speakers on the sides like N810)18:18
rm_youX-Fade: hey18:19
rm_youX-Fade: can you reset PyShop's mailing list thing plzkthx? lol... so tired of the spam :P18:19
Myrttiwazd_n800: I don't believe N900 will be a phone before I receive a phone call from/with it18:19
Myrttibut I'm a sceptic cat18:20
MyrttiI don't believe in pink invisible unicorns either, really18:20
* jeremiah_ takes off pink unicorn costume.18:20
* wazd_n800 doesn't think n900 to be a phone too18:20
rm_youdidn't they pretty much say during one of the keynote things "IT WILL ONLY HAVE DATA"18:20
rm_youI seem to remember that18:21
wazd_n800maemo is not ready to be serious phone OS18:22
MyrttiI want to see it have proper SIP first :-D18:22
wazd_n800maybe fremantle will change these things18:23
Myrtti(I can get my sip to connect only when I'm tethering it)18:23
aquatixMyrtti: you don't?18:23
* aquatix believes in pink invisible unicorns18:23
aquatixthey are cute18:23
Myrttiaquatix: I don't believe in myself either18:23
aquatixi have that too :/18:23
Myrttiaquatix: there's no chixxor in the Interhwebs18:23
Myrttiit's all a lie18:24
rm_youa great percentage of my friends on the interwebs are chixxorz, lol18:25
rm_youmost of the people I play WoW with (yes, I play WoW... <_<) are chixxorz :P18:25
rm_youand people are like "r u a gurl IRL lolz?!" and they're like... "no. go away."18:25
aquatixMyrtti: aw, and there I was thinking you where cute too :(18:26
Myrttimore coffee18:26
* aquatix hands Myrtti some decent jet-black brew18:26
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rm_youfound a nice yarn shop today in Copenhagen :P18:27
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rm_youbought some wool/alpaca mix18:27
aquatixhm, an omap3 netbook18:27
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Myrttirm_you: ooh!18:28
wazd_n800aquatix: pandora strikes back?)18:28
rm_youfeels very nice :P18:28
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* Myrtti shopped from Utuna again, feels quilty for spending 34€ on two hanks of yarn18:28
rm_youGoing to give it to my GF when I get back to the US... ^_^18:28
rm_youshe is cutest when huggling yarn :P18:29
aquatixMyrtti: *g* @ `quilty'18:29
Stskeepsaquatix: the touhbook?18:29
rm_youStskeeps: so, is theft here just NOT an issue? >_>18:30
Myrttiaquatix: MORE COFFEE18:30
Stskeepsrm_you: people are quite relaxed, why?18:30
rm_youi've seen like 1500 bikes in the last two days, and only like ten of them had locks18:30
rm_youlike, wherever i was18:30
Stskeepsyeah.. and we leave our children in carriages outside resturants18:30
aquatixStskeeps: no, some Vaio-P lookalike:
rm_youmetro station, middle of nowhere, in some park... >_>18:30
* aquatix hands Myrtti the whole stash18:31
Stskeepsrm_you: some of them might have been stolen ones though18:31
rm_youbut like, zero theft rate? >_>18:31
Stskeepswe do have theft and pick-pocketing18:31
rm_youi guess that's a possibility18:31
aquatixrm_you: or 100% theft rate ;)18:31
Stskeepsand people stealing bikes and breaking into houses18:31
rm_youbut like, srsly... bikes arent cheap, but NO ONE locks them up18:31
Myrttihave a crappy enough bike, and nobody is intrested in taking it18:31
Stskeepsthat's often the mindset18:31
rm_youin the US if you leave your bike for like five minutes unlocked, even on college campus which has very low theft rate, it will be gone when you get back18:31
Myrttimy bike is insured anyway18:32
MyrttiI'd probably get more from it if I'd throw it off a bridge or have it stolen18:32
Stskeepsrm_you: people look weirdly at you if you start rummaging around bikes :P18:32
Myrttithan trying to sell it18:32
rm_youlol bike insurance? :P18:32
aquatixMyrtti: be sure to keep the key18:32
Stskeepsinsurance fraud as well18:32
Myrttirm_you: goes with the apartment insurance18:32
rm_youyou wouldn't have to rummage, just walk straight up to one and run off18:32
wazd_n800my bike was (imagine) cut out with fence part that it was locked around18:32
qwerty12Myrtti: Hope they don't read IRC logs :P18:32
rm_youbut also the parking meters are based on the clock on the car windshield that YOU set? lol18:33
Stskeepsrm_you: yeah, - they check at times though18:33
rm_youit's like an entire society that is based on honesty and responsibility :P not that it's bad, just never see that in the US, EVER. :P18:33
Myrttirm_you: I think that's sad :-(18:33
rm_youyeah, it really is18:34
rm_youcrime in the US is horrid18:34
Myrttiand besides, I'm going to give my bike to my sister, she has even crappier bike than I do18:34
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Myrttiit is *her* bike anyway... she bought it when I was seven and I got it from her when I was 12 (she had lived in US for several years)18:36
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Myrttitells something about the quality that her bike is now 3 years old rusty piece of garbage, while mine (her old) is 25 and apart from few rust spots is as new18:36
Stskeepsrm_you: on the other hand people here rarely have guns, which causes problems when you get robbed by gangs from outside denmark..18:36
Stskeeps(i dont want guns here, i would prefer to keep gangs out :P)18:37
rm_youyeah <_<18:37
wazd_n800in US every granny has a heavy machinegun :D18:38
Myrttiwazd_n800: and a rifle and a handgun18:39
Myrttiwazd_n800: "never leave your eggs in one basket"18:39
rm_youi own a rifle and a handgun <_<18:39
Stskeepsbut it's a bit messed up when there's boys going from window to window at a dorm and snooping in and putting light on doors and you open your door in order to shout at them and you end up having a minor conversation with him, until you secretly call the guards on their ass18:39
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wazd_n800we have guns only for shooting bears on the streets :)18:41
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minra-maemo xchat vulnerable to disconnect exploit - june 200919:41
Stskeepslovely, prod qwerty1219:42
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qwerty12Depends, which version are you using?19:42
qwerty12Yeah, I only hack on 2.8.6 in extras-devel19:43
minra-can u update release ver?19:43
minra-i got booted for a couple days19:44
minra-no biggie but still19:44
minra-ok just now again19:44
minra-i seem to be in some combatative chans19:44
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qwerty12I keep that version in Extras-devel because I don't trust myself enough to ever promote it :)19:46
minra-ok will add devel19:47
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minra-how ?19:48
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p-fHas anyone gotten Mnemosyne to run on maemo (n810)?19:54
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wazd_n800p-f: well19:54
Stskeepshm, i think i saw some flash card thing19:54
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p-fStskeeps, there's an anki port, if that's what you mean19:54
p-fit's fairly unstable from what I've seen so far19:55
minraqwerty12, new xchat april 1 2009 still vulnerable19:55
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wazd_n800p-f: we're working on full-featured flashcard app based on mnemosyne right now19:55
Stskeepsp-f: it's a GSoC project19:55
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p-fI saw that but it may be a while until it's up and running from the look of things19:56
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Stskeepssuch are gsoc projects :P19:56
p-fand since Mnemosyne is theoretically portable, I was wondering whether anyone had managed to get the original version running19:56
* Stskeeps wonders if it runs on mer19:56
qwerty12minra: Hmm, XChat webpage only has 2.8.6 source. The author puts his time into the windows version for $$$ it seems19:56
* p-f wonders what mer is19:56
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minrai asking for exploit now19:57
p-foh dear19:57
p-fwhy did you have to paste this link when I'm the middle of finals?19:57
p-fnow I have to install it instead of studying19:57
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Stskeepssorry, i have the same problem when people give me gadgets out of the blue :P19:58
Stskeepsi have to keep my greedy fingers off the n810 i just got from nokia19:58
p-fI bought one a while ago :)19:58
p-fit's neat if you ignore the horrendously slow webpage rendering19:58
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qwerty12p-f: Tear19:58
Stskeepsah. you should get Tear19:58
Stskeepsyour sanity will thank you19:59
p-f(actually, I'm not sure whether it's a rendering issue)19:59
lcukwhats a webpage/19:59
p-fwebpage is short for html (aherm)19:59
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* p-f smirks19:59
lcuk(whats html though?)19:59
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p-fthanks qwerty12 / Stskeeps, I'll have a look20:00
p-fthe funny thing is I'm not sure whether it's a rendering issue - the browser just sits there saying "Connecting to blah" forever20:00
p-feither way, it can't hurt to try Tear20:01
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minrai love this.  we got /kick for maemo xchat20:02
Meizirkkii still can't kick myself :(20:03
GAN800p-f, that's a connectivity issue.20:03
StskeepsGAN800: scaringly enough i'm not always certain of that20:04
GAN800Stskeeps, well, it aint rendering.20:04
p-fGAN800, I'm getting incredible speeds in software other than the browser20:04
StskeepsGAN800: i'm willing to blame network code :P20:05
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minraqwerty12, got a minute?20:07
qwerty12minra: sure20:07
minrachat TeccaNina pls20:07
wazd_n800brand new way to date someone :D20:08
lcukwazd_n800, its not new - its staple of school romances "my friend said he fancies you, will you go out with him?"20:09
wazd_n800lcuk, heh)20:10
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Stskeepswazd_n800: we can actually make the black keyboard it seems like20:15
Stskeepswazd_n800: him-arabic is actually a generic layout engine20:16
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wazd_n800Stskeeps, whoa!20:22
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wazd_n800Stskeeps, you mean that large kb on my artwork? (not fs one)20:23
Stskeepswazd_n800: yes for instance20:23
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wazd_n800that's superawesome!20:24
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wazd_n800any help from my side needed?20:25
Stskeepslooking, sec :P20:26
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Stskeepsi think we really also need to start designing keyboard layouts20:27
Stskeepssee for instance20:27
Stskeepsi think we can adjust it to further act better20:28
Stskeeps(it takes utf-8 too)20:28
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lardmannight all20:42
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Anunakinhi all20:46
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Stskeepsif anyone wants to help out with on screen keyboard layouts:
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Stskeepslo jaffa21:16
JaffaMorning, all21:16
JaffaStskeeps: Good weekend?21:16
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StskeepsJaffa: meeting about Ubuntu MID & Mer in #ubuntu-mobile in 45 mins btw if you want to listen in21:17
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JaffaStskeeps: ta; will open a window21:17
Stskeepsis outline21:18
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lbtCPH weekend piccies :
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Stskeepsah, yours :)21:41
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Stskeepslbt: is fantastic :P21:42
lbtSome are mine... anyone who tags "mozmae" though21:42
Stskeepsyeah, i know21:43
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minragot kicked from server again on xchat21:59
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minrai am going to start using the exploit on maemo users in 6 weeks22:00
minraf y i22:00
Stskeepshint: publically logged channel22:00
minrano damage Stskeeps22:00
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fiferboylbt: I have overshoot working (more or less) without any changes to QAbstractSlider22:01
lbtOK, I'm in a Mer/Ubuntu meeting on #ubuntu-mobile .... back l8r22:02
minralaw here requires damages.  6 weeks is enough to fix xchat exploit or insert a warning that is insecure22:03
Myrttiminra: what on earth are you on?22:04
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minrajust saying we should get it fixed soonish22:04
Myrtti[22:00] < minra> i am going to start using the exploit on maemo users in 6  weeks22:04
MyrttiGEE. That's a healthy way of addressing the problem22:05
Myrtti"I've got shit in my hands, so I'll just wipe it on everyone elses clothes as well"22:05
luke-jrminra: law requires damages, but not FreeNode ;)22:06
minrajust on friends22:06
luke-jryou'll get K-lined22:06
lcukminra, you best read the description on downloads - you purchased the device without any sort of xchat installed :)22:06
minranm then22:06
* Myrtti has no sympathy22:06
minrayou want me to fix it?22:07
lcukthats a better way to be :)22:08
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minrai just want to raise concern and attention by folks with a clue22:09
luke-jrminra: my viewpoint is "screw X-Chat crap" ☺22:09
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minrai dont even know the string22:10
* Myrtti huggles her irssi ♥22:10
Myrttiminra: try to join #ubuntu with it22:11
Myrtti(with the xchat)22:11
Myrttiyou'll get tested, and might be that you'll be disconnected...22:12
minrasee if i get kicked22:12
Myrttibut anyway, there's also instructions on how to fix it, if the exploit is what I think it is22:12
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Myrttiyup, that's it :-D22:19
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qwerty12_N800Fuck. That's a shitter.22:20
Myrtticheck your router settings ;-)22:20
qwerty12_N800Myrtti: Is that the DCC one?22:20
qwerty12_N800It won't affect xchat on my N800 :\22:21
luke-jrit's not a X-Chat issue22:21
luke-jrit's a router issue22:21
qwerty12_N800I had someone trying to do it to me & I was still on22:21
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minrasorry i was misinformed about xchat security on maemo - pls ignore22:25
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radicStskeeps: I it possible to port the Unreal3.2 for the N800?23:04
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fiferboylbt: I'll have to talk to you about it tomorrow23:26
lbtok - mail me patches?23:26
lbtwe're still on Ubuntu-MID / Mer interworking :)23:27
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lbtsorry I've not been about tonight ;)23:27
fiferboylbt: That's no problem.23:27
fiferboyI have a couple of more things to work out, then I'll mail you the patches23:27
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