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| stskeepsie | 'lo rm_you | 00:04 |
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| rm_you | yo | 00:05 |
| stskeepsie | how was carnival? if it was still going on :P | 00:05 |
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| rm_you | we didn't really even find it, lol | 00:06 |
| rm_you | just wandered and ate and got tired eventually :P | 00:06 |
| stskeepsie | yeah i know the feeling | 00:07 |
| lcuk | hye rm_you \o | 00:07 |
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| stskeepsie | the train i was originally going to take broke, so the next train (which i made) was delayed and filled with people from first train | 00:07 |
| qwerty12_N800 | hi stskeepsie, rm_you | 00:07 |
| rm_you | lol hey lcuk | 00:08 |
| rm_you | safely home i see | 00:08 |
| stskeepsie | 'lo qwerty12_N800 | 00:08 |
| lcuk | mmmm, im home | 00:08 |
| rm_you | lol wow sts | 00:08 |
| rm_you | it BROKE? >_> | 00:08 |
| lcuk | you MADE a train? | 00:08 |
| rm_you | lol | 00:08 |
| rm_you | the (which I made) does sound humorous even IN context, actually :P | 00:08 |
| stskeepsie | rm_you: yeah they had to empty it and push it away :P | 00:08 |
| stskeepsie | which i made it to :P | 00:09 |
| lcuk | lol | 00:09 |
| stskeepsie | the metro got stuck as well | 00:10 |
| lcuk | my mmc is still corrupt :( it looks like ive lost all the notes from the last week | 00:10 |
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| lcuk | hey johnx \o | 00:11 |
| stskeepsie | wb johnx | 00:11 |
| stskeepsie | lcuk: just because maemo says it's corrupt doesn't mean it is | 00:11 |
| stskeepsie | :P | 00:11 |
| qwerty12_N800 | ello johnx | 00:11 |
| lcuk | ok stskeepsie thats a good point, but i havent got another mmc reader | 00:11 |
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| wazd | johnx: heya | 00:12 |
| johnx | morning wazd | 00:12 |
| stskeepsie | lcuk: another n800 maybe | 00:12 |
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| wazd | johnx: It's 1:12 AM in here so yep, mornin' :D | 00:12 |
| stskeepsie | wazd o/ | 00:12 |
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| madlord | hello | 00:13 |
| johnx | hey GAN800 :) | 00:14 |
| wazd | johnx: I've read your description of dev/ device, interesting :) | 00:14 |
| madlord | i have a maemo n800, and i have a problem with my internal sd card, it is doesn't mounting | 00:14 |
| johnx | yup. that was a really big risk on Nokia's part | 00:14 |
| johnx | madlord: have you tried backing it up and formatting it? | 00:15 |
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| qwerty12_N800 | johnx: I'm surprised though, you weren't bound to secrecy? | 00:15 |
| madlord | I just tried to replace it by another with more space, but now, the file /dev/mmcblk0p1 does not exists | 00:15 |
| stskeepsie | qwerty12_N800: no NDAs. no pictures however either | 00:15 |
| stskeepsie | and we didn't see anyone getting tackled .. ;) | 00:16 |
| madlord | johnx: but it is not recognized anyway | 00:16 |
| qwerty12_N800 | Ah, that's fair enough | 00:16 |
| wazd | johnx: Were there any comments on recent rumors? | 00:16 |
| madlord | johnx: in the pc i can see the contents inside the card | 00:16 |
| johnx | madlord: interesting? and on the device, the /dev/mmcblk0 device doesn't even show up? | 00:17 |
| wazd | btw we have one person in here in Russia, host of mobile-review.com, called Eldar Murtazin | 00:17 |
| johnx | also note: you can't have it mounted on the PC and N8x0 at the same time | 00:18 |
| rm_you | i didn't really hear them comment about the leaked info, but you could tell they were a little bit tense, possibly related? also possibly cause they were showing us dev devices and didn't want THEM leaked >_> | 00:18 |
| madlord | johnx: I don't have any /dev/mmc* | 00:18 |
| wazd | He's in touch with Nokia (as he says) and about 2 months ago he told in one of his podcasts that he actually have the pre-release new maemo device | 00:19 |
| stskeepsie | wazd: hehe. it's nothing to deal with media - it's a beagleboard with lipstick and a touchscreen, if we look at it cynically | 00:19 |
| stskeepsie | we didnt get to see any nokia devices | 00:19 |
| johnx | madlord: is it plugged into the PC right now while you're looking? | 00:19 |
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| madlord | johnx: ah yes, I removed from tablet and inserted on the computer just to test | 00:19 |
| stskeepsie | just stuff developers hack on | 00:19 |
| stskeepsie | that the mix was interesting anyway is neat :P | 00:19 |
| madlord | johnx: it's plugged on the tablet now | 00:20 |
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| madlord | johnx: it is the default nokia card that comes with the maemo box | 00:20 |
| wazd | So I think he's talking crap :) | 00:20 |
| madlord | johnx: maybe some script is not running (/etc/rc.d/*) or some module should be loaded? | 00:21 |
| johnx | madlord: and it works in the other slot? | 00:21 |
| madlord | johnx: no, in any slot | 00:22 |
| johnx | and other cards work in the tablet? | 00:22 |
| madlord | no | 00:22 |
| johnx | and the tablet's not plugged into anything else with the USB cable? | 00:23 |
| madlord | no | 00:23 |
| madlord | it's alone | 00:24 |
| johnx | it does need the g_file_storage kernel module loaded | 00:24 |
| johnx | errr...actually, no that's not right... | 00:24 |
| johnx | mmc/sd support should be compiled into the kernel | 00:24 |
| madlord | hum | 00:24 |
| madlord | but I think it's compiled to do that, because it was recognized until now :) | 00:25 |
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| madlord | the external slot never worked, but the internal yes | 00:25 |
| johnx | yeah, it sounds like a hardware problem | 00:26 |
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| madlord | dmesg don't returns any usefull information | 00:26 |
| madlord | hum | 00:26 |
| madlord | johnx: the files /dev/mmc* just is showed when the card is plugged in? | 00:27 |
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| johnx | correct I believe, let me test real quick | 00:28 |
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| rabelais | can anyone comment on how well dates+syncevolution on the N810 works with a syncml server (e.g. horde/kronolith)? | 00:38 |
| madlord | johnx: I don't know if this is relevant, but in /proc/devices has a lot of information of Block devices, which has "65 sd" "66 sd" ... "135 sd" "254 mmc" | 00:39 |
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| madlord | various sd informations | 00:39 |
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| GAN800 | Hi, johnx. | 00:50 |
| stskeepsie | evening gan | 00:50 |
| GAN8001 | Howdy | 00:53 |
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| timeless_mbp | hi | 00:56 |
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| Renesis_ | IRC is much easier to use than I thought it would be, what a disappointment... | 01:02 |
| stskeepsie | yeah, it's sometimes too easy :P | 01:03 |
| mavhc | welcome to the top 1% of the internet! | 01:03 |
| GeneralAntilles | Dirty little whore | 01:03 |
| GeneralAntilles | and to think some people want to make it easier. ;) | 01:03 |
| madlord | johnx: the cards are working :) | 01:04 |
| Renesis_ | What's the world coming to? | 01:04 |
| GeneralAntilles | Renesis_, looks like somebody registered Renesis. Have to do RX or something. | 01:04 |
| Firebird | RX? | 01:05 |
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| lcuk | \o | 02:32 |
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| GAN800 | lcuk, did you get your tablet fixed? | 02:59 |
| lcuk | tablet aint broke, its just the memory card inside it thats corrupt | 03:00 |
| lcuk | and no :( | 03:00 |
| lcuk | its still corrupted | 03:00 |
| GAN800 | The N800? | 03:00 |
| lcuk | no, 810 primary dev machine | 03:00 |
| lcuk | errr card inside the.. | 03:00 |
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| GAN800 | Well, I'm asking about the N800, :p | 03:00 |
| lcuk | ahhh well, noi should be entirely feasible to open the dump,i should be entirely feasible to open the dump, | 03:01 |
| * GAN800 wonders what people don't get about 'the software was jus the beta SDK'. | 03:01 | |
| lcuk | mmm how did i paste that twice | 03:01 |
| * lcuk puts it where it was meant to be | 03:01 | |
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| lcuk | GAN800, i thought that went really well, johnx described it really well, it was v similar to the sdk environment on realistic hardware | 03:03 |
| * lcuk loves the screen :$ | 03:03 | |
| lcuk | GAN800, its so sensitive :D | 03:03 |
| GeneralAntilles | 5800 touchscreen is nice | 03:04 |
| lcuk | have you got your tablet infront of you | 03:04 |
| GeneralAntilles | One of the things that really bothers me about the iPhone is trying to place the cursor. | 03:04 |
| GeneralAntilles | It's damn near impossible | 03:04 |
| GeneralAntilles | But wonderfully accurate with the 5800. | 03:04 |
| lcuk | that doesnt enter your mind, the ui does work well | 03:04 |
| lcuk | i didnt think iphone had a cursor | 03:05 |
| GeneralAntilles | Entering text | 03:06 |
| GeneralAntilles | I-beam | 03:06 |
| lcuk | ahhh yeah k | 03:06 |
| lcuk | you seen pictures of the event? | 03:07 |
| GeneralAntilles | A few on Flickr, haven't really looked around though | 03:07 |
| lcuk | everyone was wearing bright red shirts | 03:07 |
| * lcuk kept thinking of ensign expendable :D | 03:07 | |
| lcuk | the smartq is rather odd as well | 03:08 |
| lcuk | its light as a feather, it really felt like it was an empty shell | 03:08 |
| GeneralAntilles | I don't like light stuff | 03:10 |
| GeneralAntilles | Feels too cheap | 03:10 |
| lcuk | heh if you shake it too hard the wifi will disconnect from the board :| | 03:10 |
| lcuk | the prototype things had a great weight :) | 03:11 |
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| GeneralAntilles | Weight is good | 03:14 |
| GeneralAntilles | Dunno why people complain about it. | 03:14 |
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| lcuk | GeneralAntilles, there is a limit of course lol | 03:16 |
| Macer | my son passed out | 03:16 |
| lcuk | :S | 03:16 |
| * Macer hurries up and sleeps | 03:16 | |
| lcuk | ahhh gnite macer | 03:16 |
| Macer | haha | 03:16 |
| Macer | have to get it when i can ;) | 03:16 |
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| GAN8001 | lcuk, of course. | 03:17 |
| Macer | 3 year olds don't care about your sleep | 03:17 |
| Macer | :) | 03:17 |
| lcuk | yeah understood entirely | 03:17 |
| GAN8001 | lcuk, but bitching over tens of grams is silly. | 03:17 |
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| Macer | GAN8001: i think measuing things by mass is odd | 03:19 |
| lcuk | GAN8001 in some industries it matters, for a tablet its not worth it | 03:19 |
| GAN8001 | lcuk, context. :P | 03:19 |
| Macer | i always thought a gram was a measurement of mass | 03:19 |
| Macer | and not a measurement of weight | 03:19 |
| GAN8001 | I say we measure everything in lcuks | 03:20 |
| Macer | haha | 03:21 |
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| Macer | i would rather it were newtons | 03:21 |
| GAN8001 | We'll have a team of Swiss engineers to weigh him every morning and send out unit updates. | 03:21 |
| lcuk | you are onto something, infact i think you have put your finger on it | 03:22 |
| Macer | hahaha | 03:22 |
| lcuk | can you not send out a team of international nubile nurses | 03:23 |
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| GAN8001 | For you, lcuk? Anything. | 03:23 |
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| lcuk | :D | 03:24 |
| GAN8001 | They'll have to be German, though. | 03:24 |
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| lcuk | oh errr , maybe i would turn some of em away lol | 03:25 |
| * lcuk is sooooooo impressed by this weekend though, kees has managed to package up libliqbase | 03:27 | |
| Macer | “ The yard or the metre shall be the unit of measurement of length and the pound or the kilogram shall be the unit of measurement of mass by reference to which any measurement involving a measurement of length or mass shall be made in the United Kingdom; and- (a) the yard shall be 0·9144 metre exactly; (b) the pound shall be 0·45359237 kilogram exactly.” | 03:27 |
| lcuk | and we are gonna get it into garage as a standalone lib soon :) | 03:27 |
| Macer | could you imagine being the guy who had to write that act? | 03:27 |
| Macer | he probably fell asleep on it :) | 03:27 |
| christefano | hmm, my N810 battery is dead. does anyone know which mobile phone charger will work with the N810? | 03:29 |
| GAN8001 | christefano, pretty much any recent Nokia one? | 03:30 |
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| Firebird | nokia uses standard DC in jacks? | 03:30 |
| christefano | ah, I should look on eBay for compatible chargers | 03:30 |
| GAN8001 | christefano, Amazon has the AC-4U for about $2 | 03:30 |
| christefano | looks like the N96 and N82 use the same charger | 03:31 |
| lcuk | christefano, yeah standard nokia charger | 03:31 |
| lcuk | in quotes lol | 03:31 |
| christefano | cool | 03:31 |
| Macer | i still never understood why nokia just didn't use usb charging | 03:32 |
| GAN8001 | Macer, they will for the next one. | 03:33 |
| Macer | well. that's good :) | 03:33 |
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| Macer | i mean. it's not that big of a deal, but forgetting your charger with a nokia is a pain if you can't find someone with it | 03:33 |
| GAN8001 | It does mean you can use USB host while plugged in. | 03:33 |
| Macer | most people have a standard usb charger | 03:33 |
| Macer | GAN8001: why not? :) | 03:34 |
| Macer | it can charge off the computer | 03:34 |
| Macer | oh.. you said "can" | 03:34 |
| Macer | heh | 03:34 |
| Macer | what i think was a bad idea | 03:35 |
| Macer | is the G1 using the usb port for earphones | 03:35 |
| Macer | :) | 03:35 |
| Macer | when it came out it didn't have a2dp support.. so you couldn't charge and listen to music at the smae time. wtf? | 03:35 |
| Macer | i've been using my n95 lately anyways. i would give anything for my G1 to have the N95's cam | 03:36 |
| Macer | (with flash) | 03:36 |
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| * lcuk beds | 03:43 | |
| lcuk | gnite GAN8001 | 03:44 |
| lcuk | and macer if you are still floatin | 03:44 |
| GAN8001 | later | 03:44 |
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| Bobbe | morning | 06:02 |
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| b-man16 | hello Bobbie | 06:03 |
| b-man16 | *Bobbe | 06:03 |
| Bobbe | hey b-man | 06:04 |
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| Bobbe | did that sound like a doll name or was that just me? | 06:04 |
| b-man16 | b-man or Bobbe? XD | 06:04 |
| Bobbe | lol | 06:04 |
| Bobbe | "Bobbie" | 06:04 |
| Bobbe | anyways | 06:04 |
| Bobbe | I'm kinda flabbergasted at Google Wave | 06:05 |
| Bobbe | u guys seen the demo? | 06:05 |
| b-man16 | i haven't yet, stskeeps might have though | 06:05 |
| Bobbe | http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=v_UyVmITiYQ | 06:06 |
| Bobbe | 1:20h of your time, worth every second | 06:06 |
| luke-jr | um no | 06:06 |
| luke-jr | it's Google | 06:06 |
| luke-jr | they get about 30 seconds | 06:07 |
| luke-jr | when have they ever done anything that wasn't crap? | 06:07 |
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| EdLin | luke-jr: www.google.com ? | 06:07 |
| b-man16 | luke-jr: why so negative tonight? XD | 06:07 |
| luke-jr | EdLin: it sucks lately, since Google had to change their algorithms | 06:08 |
| luke-jr | EdLin: try finding out what tokokyohi means with it | 06:08 |
| luke-jr | b-man16: people bringing up crap a lot tonight? | 06:08 |
| Bobbe | luke-jr, resist man. gps is coming | 06:08 |
| Bobbe | hang in there | 06:09 |
| luke-jr | Bobbe: it is? | 06:09 |
| luke-jr | how do you know? <.< | 06:09 |
| Bobbe | I don't, but I hope man | 06:09 |
| luke-jr | you have no Nokia or TI hostmask XD | 06:09 |
| Bobbe | that's what keeps me going | 06:09 |
| luke-jr | heh | 06:09 |
| Bobbe | I wake up everyday and I look at the mirror, I point at it and say "GPS IS COMING!" | 06:09 |
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| luke-jr | anyone want to start a new DE project? | 06:12 |
| hub | luke-jr: GNOME? | 06:13 |
| z4chh | luke-jr, ask lcuk ;p | 06:13 |
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| luke-jr | hub: GNOME is GTK, it doesn't count | 06:17 |
| hub | GNOME != GTK | 06:17 |
| luke-jr | you know of a non-GTK GNOME? | 06:17 |
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| hub | still does not make equality | 06:17 |
| Bobbe | lol | 06:17 |
| luke-jr | if libglib is a dependency, I want nothing to do with it | 06:17 |
| kfx | yeah it's called kde | 06:17 |
| luke-jr | kfx: in KDE's case, the MySQL dependency is killing it | 06:18 |
| luke-jr | plus Plasma | 06:18 |
| hub | luke-jr: CDE? | 06:18 |
| kfx | plus a decade of bad design decisions and half-finished projects | 06:18 |
| luke-jr | does CDE even exist anymore? | 06:18 |
| kfx | still ships with solaris | 06:18 |
| luke-jr | anyhow, I want something based on Qt4 | 06:18 |
| kfx | lots of radiation therapy software runs under openmotif or cde | 06:18 |
| kfx | I have no idea why | 06:18 |
| hub | kfx: legacy or Java/AWT | 06:19 |
| kfx | new work but not java | 06:19 |
| kfx | I think it's because there's a sunos certified platform for the electron gun? dunno | 06:19 |
| hub | no idea | 06:21 |
| hub | luke-jr: your argument does not stand at all anyway | 06:22 |
| luke-jr | what argument? | 06:22 |
| cmug | What is GPS? | 06:24 |
| cmug | that was referred to earlier | 06:25 |
| cmug | (I know of the positioning system) | 06:25 |
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| hub | luke-jr: "glib" | 06:26 |
| Bobbe | cmug, luke-jr wants Nokia to release control over the N810 gps core components | 06:29 |
| luke-jr | hub: … | 06:29 |
| cmug | Bobbe, ah ok. Sounded like it was some new device or something | 06:29 |
| Bobbe | stskeeps1e says Nokia is right now working with Texas Instruments to release the core components for the 3d hardware acceleration drivers, irrc | 06:30 |
| Bobbe | luke-jr says GPS is much more important than lame 3d drivers | 06:30 |
| Bobbe | stskeeps1e disagreed | 06:30 |
| hub | I'd rather the whole software stack being freed | 06:30 |
| Bobbe | luke-jr disagreed further | 06:30 |
| hub | including the media player | 06:30 |
| cmug | :) | 06:30 |
| Bobbe | stskeeps1e wanted to hit him with a shovel at times | 06:30 |
| cmug | "All should be free" | 06:30 |
| cmug | That is understandable | 06:30 |
| Bobbe | it is always a blast to watch | 06:30 |
| Bobbe | yeap | 06:30 |
| Bobbe | I agree that it's understandable | 06:30 |
| Bobbe | I also know that we don't live in Lintopia | 06:31 |
| luke-jr | 3D would be new | 06:31 |
| Bobbe | 3D would be cool, probably | 06:31 |
| luke-jr | my argument is that the current features should get higher priority than new stuff | 06:31 |
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| Bobbe | why? | 06:31 |
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| ShadowJK | 3d drivers would not be open anyway ;) | 06:43 |
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| Bobbe | true | 06:46 |
| Bobbe | honestly I'd be happy with the binaries | 06:47 |
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| hub | but the tablet does not have 3D GPU | 06:55 |
| hub | does it? | 06:55 |
| luke-jr | ShadowJK: if not, it's a wasted effort | 06:56 |
| luke-jr | hub: it does | 06:56 |
| ShadowJK | hub: it does | 06:57 |
| hub | the N8x0? | 06:57 |
| ShadowJK | yes | 06:58 |
| hub | wow. the documentation say it does not | 06:58 |
| hub | or did I mis-read | 06:58 |
| hub | could be | 06:58 |
| luke-jr | PowerVR stuff | 06:58 |
| ShadowJK | well it's not mentioned because there are no drivers | 06:58 |
| hub | ah | 06:58 |
| hub | crippled because of the vendor? | 06:59 |
| Bobbe | yeap | 06:59 |
| Bobbe | TI, making our lives crappier | 06:59 |
| hub | reason #1 why the driver should be open WITH doc | 06:59 |
| ShadowJK | if you go to the manufacturer's website they have drivers for linux for newer gpus | 06:59 |
| hub | because the vendor can't be trusted anyway | 06:59 |
| ShadowJK | unfortunately there are no gpus with open 3d drivers :( | 07:00 |
| ShadowJK | oh i guess intel's desktop stuff. | 07:00 |
| hub | but Pulsbo | 07:01 |
| hub | aka PowerVR | 07:01 |
| hub | (GMA 5000 or something like that) | 07:01 |
| kfx | whatever happened to that opengpu project | 07:02 |
| ShadowJK | closed drivers afaik | 07:02 |
| RST38h | moo all | 07:02 |
| kfx | did that cave in or what | 07:02 |
| hub | kfx: I think it still goes | 07:02 |
| ShadowJK | opngraphics? they're going to produce a few cards soon | 07:02 |
| hub | kfx: that does not mean it is usable or reasonably priced | 07:02 |
| ShadowJK | trying to source parts | 07:02 |
| kfx | that plus an opensparc would make a nice laptop | 07:02 |
| kfx | one day, when I'm six hundred years old | 07:02 |
| hub | ShadowJK: worse: broken drivers | 07:03 |
| hub | ShadowJK: hence the "but" | 07:03 |
| ShadowJK | opengraphics has at most framebuffer driver now | 07:03 |
| hub | ATI is open now, but the driver take time | 07:03 |
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| hub | the last generation have day support direct from ATI | 07:03 |
| hub | but for something like a device, it is a no go | 07:04 |
| ShadowJK | not that open really.. only parts of the gpu, only for older gpus? | 07:04 |
| hub | ShadowJK: the last generation has driver direct from ATI into Xorg | 07:04 |
| ShadowJK | opensource? | 07:04 |
| ShadowJK | unobfuscated? | 07:04 |
| kfx | yep | 07:05 |
| ShadowJK | cool | 07:05 |
| hub | ShadowJK: http://www.botchco.com/agd5f/?cat=3 | 07:05 |
| hub | ShadowJK: REAL driver | 07:05 |
| ShadowJK | is it as stable, or unstable really, as the ati binary drivers have been? | 07:05 |
| hub | ShadowJK: it is still work in progress, but that's because it is a lot of work | 07:05 |
| hub | ShadowJK: but it is not the binary junk | 07:06 |
| ShadowJK | im using nvidia binary on desktop, and it's been rock solid and even supports hw accel of h264 :) | 07:06 |
| hub | rock solid? not really | 07:06 |
| ShadowJK | never had a crash/oops with them :) | 07:08 |
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| rkirti | What happens to 'unassigned' maemo bugs ? | 07:29 |
| tank-man | im guessing unfixed | 07:32 |
| hub | rkirti: nothing happens | 07:32 |
| GAN800 | rkirti, don't read into it. | 07:33 |
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| GAN800 | rkirti, b.m.o's triage process is, unfortunately, not perfectly rigorous lacking real dedication from Nokia. | 07:35 |
| rkirti | GAN800: yeah, I may sound paranoid here..but the reason I am keen to see them attended to is because they are essential things - about base library builds that break - and given the pace at which 'assigned' bugs move,I am concerned about what fate meets the unassigned ones | 07:35 |
| GAN800 | Thet're frequently resolved faster than the assigned ones. | 07:36 |
| hub | rkirti: there is aslo the option of providing a patch | 07:36 |
| GAN800 | Just make sure somebody knows they're there. | 07:36 |
| hub | that should speed things up, at least I hope | 07:36 |
| GAN800 | Nokians aren't particularly rigorous about following their bugmail, unfortunately. | 07:36 |
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| rkirti | hub: true, and its the best option. But I am not a proper hacker and definitely not level enough in this case - since the bugs are related to Hildon changes/definitions being moved to gtk+ headers and other things - decisions already controversial from what I see on the net/mailing lists. | 07:38 |
| hub | the other option is to hire somebody to do it | 07:42 |
| radic__ | hmm | 07:45 |
| radic__ | the maemo-mapper makes a lot of CPU load | 07:45 |
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| rm_you | X-Fade: need to get you to reset the pyshop mailing list thing, lol | 09:47 |
| thux | morning | 09:47 |
| Macer | how much overhead does xfering via ssl use? | 09:52 |
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| johnx | Macer: prolly about the same as scp/sftp | 10:05 |
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| Myrtti | btw, black laptop = fail | 10:23 |
| Myrtti | utter, imcomprehable fail | 10:23 |
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| Macer | Myrtti: something wrong with black laptops? :) | 10:34 |
| Myrtti | working in the summertime | 10:35 |
| hub | I have a black laptop | 10:36 |
| hub | and given that it is a thinkpad, I'd not get anything else | 10:36 |
| hub | (albeit this specific model surely not) | 10:36 |
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| hub | but I miss the X60 I had | 10:38 |
| inz | Myrtti, sunshine + touchpad == good reason to learn to use the keyboard | 10:38 |
| hub | inz: I have a "clit" | 10:38 |
| hub | instead of a touch pad | 10:38 |
| inz | hub, I do have both, but prefer touchpad | 10:39 |
| Corsac | yurk | 10:40 |
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| lcuk | lbt, \o mornin | 11:48 |
| lbt | hi | 11:48 |
| lcuk | when did you get back | 11:49 |
| lbt | midnight | 11:49 |
| lcuk | heh i hope you slept well | 11:49 |
| lcuk | with actual room to stretch your legs and roll over lol | 11:49 |
| lbt | I did | 11:49 |
| lbt | yeah - nice | 11:49 |
| lbt | I was looking for you yesterday to get the dsc to OBS-ify liqbase | 11:50 |
| lbt | don't forget | 11:50 |
| lcuk | yeah i had "issues" on my way home | 11:50 |
| lbt | ? | 11:51 |
| lcuk | i got on the plane and my mmc is corrupt, no code lost (backups..) and keesj has the package stuff on his github | 11:51 |
| lbt | good | 11:51 |
| lcuk | ive lost all the sketches and notes i took over the weekend tho | 11:51 |
| lcuk | :( | 11:51 |
| lbt | aw | 11:51 |
| lcuk | first time ive got a hole in my stream | 11:51 |
| lbt | when you say corrupt... | 11:51 |
| lcuk | i have managed to take a dd of the entire card and it looks like i might extract from there | 11:52 |
| lcuk | the superblock is dead | 11:52 |
| lbt | good | 11:52 |
| lcuk | and it wont use any of the others | 11:52 |
| lbt | fs? | 11:52 |
| lcuk | ext2 | 11:52 |
| lbt | good, lots of tools | 11:52 |
| lcuk | yeah but all of em moan and wont get further than a cursory glance | 11:52 |
| lcuk | i tried with all the listed backups and it just wont fireup | 11:53 |
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| lcuk | as long as the sketches themselves are contigious in the memory space i should get the raw data - though chronological order will be a problem | 11:55 |
| lcuk | hi andre__ \o | 11:55 |
| andre__ | heja | 11:55 |
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| Stskeepie | 'lo andre__ | 11:57 |
| andre__ | hej hej | 11:57 |
| lcuk | hey Stskeepie \o | 11:57 |
| lbt | 'lo andre__ | 11:57 |
| lbt | ;) | 11:57 |
| andre__ | heidiho | 11:58 |
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| lbt | http://homepage.smc.edu/morgan_david/cs40/analyze-ext2.htm | 12:00 |
| lcuk | thanks lbt, that makes heavy reading this morning heh | 12:03 |
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| Stskeepie | lcuk: take SD card, dd if=/dev/mmcblkWHATEVER of=sd.img, so you can rescue on that | 12:04 |
| lcuk | yes Stskeepie ive got a 1gb backup on mmc2 at the moment | 12:04 |
| Stskeepie | k | 12:05 |
| lcuk | and i got half over it over to my pc (when i tried it bailed out half way through with a wifi thing - diff issue not a prob) | 12:05 |
| lbt | actually lcuk you should have a backup, and then copy the backup and work on the copy | 12:05 |
| lcuk | and ive looked inside and it contains lots of things and sketches are one of them | 12:05 |
| lbt | also you should use ddrescue, not dd | 12:05 |
| lcuk | yeah im not touching the card itself now | 12:06 |
| lcuk | can i try to mount that file itself as a live ext2 partition and use the tools on it? | 12:09 |
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| lbt | yes | 12:11 |
| lbt | loopback | 12:11 |
| lbt | mout -oloop ... | 12:11 |
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| lbt | man mount | 12:11 |
| lcuk | heh, in my case its googling for man mount | 12:12 |
| lcuk | thanks lbt ill do more once i get back from the park | 12:13 |
| * lcuk knows its not the end of the world | 12:14 | |
| lcuk | but it does make me re-evaluate a few things | 12:14 |
| lcuk | lbt, how long does obs take - supposing i wanted same package available for maemo and mer and x86 | 12:14 |
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| lcuk | :O the mapping widget adjustments i made with rm_you are gone :O:O | 12:24 |
| Macer | hm. the star wars cartoon isn't that bad | 12:25 |
| Macer | it's better than the movies :) that's kind of sad | 12:25 |
| lbt | lcuk: OBS takes very little time if the packaging is right | 12:26 |
| lbt | however it only makes Mer images | 12:26 |
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| lbt | but we're going to work with X-Fade so you can submit once and have both | 12:27 |
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| sanjay6976 | can any body help with the following error: qmake-qt4 -d mmap: No such device or address | 12:40 |
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| Stskeepie | morning qwerty12 | 12:47 |
| qwerty12 | hey Stskeepie | 12:47 |
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| wazd | heya maemo | 13:26 |
| Stskeeps | lo wazd | 13:26 |
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| lardman | morning chaps | 13:48 |
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| * lardman just saw one of those WinCE HTC smart phones, 3.5" screen isn't too bad | 13:52 | |
| * lardman tries to persuade himself ;) | 13:53 | |
| lardman | but really, comparing with non-full screen on my n810, it's not far off | 13:53 |
| lardman | sure this has already been discussed to death mind you | 13:53 |
| aquatix | morning all | 13:53 |
| lardman | hi aquatix | 13:54 |
| aquatix | heh, just found a bash.org quote from here (i think): http://bash.org/?884782 | 13:55 |
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| wolfo | hi room | 15:06 |
| wolfo | does anyone have the .deb package for maemo-drac? ;) | 15:07 |
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| wolfo | the repository at "indt" seems to have vanished | 15:07 |
| qwerty12 | It's in Extras: http://repository.maemo.org/extras/pool/diablo/free/m/maemodrac/ | 15:07 |
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| wolfo | not for bora | 15:12 |
| wolfo | a bora version existed before... | 15:12 |
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| X-Fade | 'lo | 15:13 |
| Stskeeps | 'lo X-Fade :) | 15:13 |
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| lardman | hi X-Fade | 15:15 |
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| wolfo | the installer says repo_deb_3 = deb http://openbossa.indt.org.br/games bora games | 15:16 |
| wolfo | but there's nothing there, so i guess it was deleted | 15:16 |
| qwerty12 | wolfo: Try browsing http://openbossa.indt.org.br/games/pool/games/ ;) | 15:17 |
| qwerty12 | 'ello X-Fade | 15:17 |
| wolfo | lol thanks | 15:18 |
| X-Fade | So, I think we should do more of these developer meetings :) | 15:19 |
| GeneralAntilles | Macer, MPlayer works OK. | 15:20 |
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| GeneralAntilles | X-Fade, wonder if Nokia's got the money ready for it. | 15:20 |
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| Stskeeps | i'm amazed of how calming effect some simple statements had | 15:21 |
| X-Fade | GeneralAntilles: No idea, but at least it was a very productive weekend. | 15:21 |
| X-Fade | And it gave us ideas to work on for the next months :) | 15:22 |
| GeneralAntilles | I'm worried about infrastructure. | 15:22 |
| GeneralAntilles | I know 5 people who are planning on buying. | 15:22 |
| X-Fade | I think this meeting helped a lot for Mer: http://twitpic.com/6902l | 15:22 |
| GeneralAntilles | I suspect that the increase in users is going to be just as big (if not bigger) as Nokia expected. | 15:23 |
| X-Fade | GeneralAntilles: I'm pretty sure Nokia knows what to expect. | 15:23 |
| Stskeeps | GeneralAntilles: i was sold after a minute. | 15:23 |
| GeneralAntilles | X-Fade, but we're not Nokia. ;) | 15:24 |
| X-Fade | GeneralAntilles: True. | 15:24 |
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| Stskeeps | X-Fade: well, yeah, but it was also a official talk on getting things moving that has been in the planning for ages. | 15:24 |
| GeneralAntilles | The last thing we need is an OVI Store-style failure. Or, worse, a November 2007-style one. | 15:24 |
| Stskeeps | X-Fade: i have scripts to do the tricks with making images on maemo.og already and such,so | 15:24 |
| Stskeeps | it's on the wiki somewhere.. sec | 15:25 |
| Stskeeps | yeah, http://wiki.maemo.org/Mer/Proposals/Community_Firmware :P | 15:25 |
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| Stskeeps | some of the stuff was pre-nokia-binaries | 15:26 |
| GeneralAntilles | I think we'll probably be mostly OK if r.m.o is ready to handle things. | 15:27 |
| X-Fade | Yeah, I had seen that page before. | 15:27 |
| qwerty12 | Stskeeps: once BME Free matures, is your plan to switch to that? | 15:27 |
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| Stskeeps | qwerty12: yes, i just haven't gotten around to packaging it | 15:27 |
| qwerty12 | ah | 15:27 |
| X-Fade | qwerty12: One of the things to think about is that we want to make absolutely sure that this thing is not doing anything funky ;) | 15:28 |
| qwerty12 | Yeah... fair point; but, that said, 412b's advanced-power works well for me (but, of course, that's just getting values broadcasted by hald-addon-bme) | 15:29 |
| * GeneralAntilles shudders to think of the liabilities. . . . | 15:30 | |
| GeneralAntilles | Think of the damage that would happen to Nokia's image if Engadget or somebody got wind of something. | 15:30 |
| X-Fade | Personally, I'd rather not run the risk. But yeah.. | 15:30 |
| GeneralAntilles | I don't think it's something I'd ever want to see bundled. . . . | 15:31 |
| X-Fade | But then again, I don't care too much about blobs. As long as they are allowed to be redistributed and don't cause too much upgrade problems ;) | 15:32 |
| Stskeeps | major difference: distributed vs redistributable | 15:32 |
| Stskeeps | :P | 15:32 |
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| qwerty12 | Stskeeps: I guess Deblet SVN compared to your firmware image plan shows that difference :P | 15:33 |
| qwerty12 | *'s | 15:33 |
| X-Fade | Stskeeps: Yeah, well I'm thinking about maemo.org being a separate entity from Nokia. So redistributing? | 15:33 |
| GeneralAntilles | andre__, ping? | 15:34 |
| Stskeeps | yeah, redistributing from nokia but the bits aren't redistributable by people ;) | 15:34 |
| X-Fade | Stskeeps: True. | 15:34 |
| Stskeeps | lawyer talk is funny | 15:35 |
| X-Fade | Stskeeps: At least the lawyers gave us some good news for Mer ;) | 15:35 |
| Stskeeps | yeah | 15:35 |
| GeneralAntilles | I hope we can get some review of the Fremantle docs before the device launches. | 15:36 |
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| X-Fade | GeneralAntilles: Which ones? | 15:36 |
| GeneralAntilles | X-Fade, any and all. | 15:36 |
| GeneralAntilles | An alpha release-style release note quality would be really bad on the final. | 15:37 |
| * GeneralAntilles isn't sure how johnkzin made the brainstorm mod list. | 15:38 | |
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| X-Fade | GeneralAntilles: I seem to recall that it was the idea to have the docs available for us before launch, but I'd have to check. | 15:40 |
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| GeneralAntilles | andre__, ping timeout. ;) | 15:47 |
| * GeneralAntilles goes to work. | 15:47 | |
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| RST38h | reMoo | 16:35 |
| rm_you | lol | 16:35 |
| Stskeeps | moo RST38h | 16:35 |
| RST38h | How are things? I see (on ITT) that someone has already started salivating over arrow keys on that developer unit? =) | 16:36 |
| johnx | allo RST38h | 16:36 |
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| johnx | weeell, the fact that they showed arrow keys on one keyboard layout on a dev device doesn't necessarily mean we'll see them on shipping hardware | 16:37 |
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| RST38h | johnx: the location does not sound all that good to me too =( | 16:38 |
| Stskeeps | honestly the entire keyboard can act like a dpad | 16:38 |
| Stskeeps | it's soft like that | 16:38 |
| RST38h | johnx: Maybe we should hint to Nokia devs to request those four buttons SNES-style on the back panel, where they can act as camera controls too? =) | 16:39 |
| derf | So they've fixed the horrible stiffness problems the N810 keyboard has? | 16:39 |
| RST38h | Sts: It can't, lot more goes into a good dpad than just buttons unfrotunately | 16:39 |
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| RST38h | Sts: N810 had a dpad and what good was it? | 16:39 |
| Stskeeps | derf: well. this isn't a final device or even one they'll ship. i liked it's keyboard though. | 16:40 |
| derf | You practically had to hit the buttons with a mallet to depress them. | 16:40 |
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| RST38h | derf: You obviously never used BK0010 =) | 16:40 |
| derf | With that the case, it doesn't matter if they're arranged in a d-pad form. | 16:40 |
| johnx | somehow the N810 buttons felt stuck or something | 16:40 |
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| johnx | this keyboard feels a lot better | 16:40 |
| derf | Good. | 16:40 |
| derf | RST38h: And no, I haven't. | 16:40 |
| RST38h | derf: http://www.jocys.com/evaldas/images/Elektronika_BK-0010_Large.jpg (and yes, it is as painful as it looks) | 16:41 |
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| Stskeeps | interesting fact: n900 specs thread died completely | 16:45 |
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| lcuk | mr lardman, wtf are you doing online now - aren't you meant to be on honeymoon? | 16:45 |
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| mib_8w4x7q | hello | 16:46 |
| cosmo | is there any solution or known cause for N810 slowness problem? | 16:47 |
| Stskeeps | which one? :P | 16:47 |
| lcuk | n810 isnt slow, its your perception of reality thats been sped up | 16:47 |
| cosmo | locking screen takes a long time and eventually the device reboots | 16:47 |
| mib_8w4x7q | maybe you clogged it up with apps | 16:48 |
| lcuk | a slow device is indicative of bad apps running | 16:48 |
| cosmo | i'm even suspecting it's hardware failure, as it kept happening after i flashed the device | 16:48 |
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| lcuk | did you flash and test, or flash, restore apps, then test.. | 16:48 |
| mib_8w4x7q | how many apps are installed on it | 16:48 |
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| cosmo | i flashed, installed a couple off apps (openss, owm etc) and then noticed it still happens | 16:49 |
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| lcuk | then try it without installing apps.. | 16:49 |
| RST38h | cosmo: I your N810 did not have any amphetamines, give it some. Otherwise, stop taking them yourself. | 16:49 |
| lcuk | then you have a small set of apps that it might be related to | 16:49 |
| cosmo | i'll have to do that next | 16:49 |
| RST38h | =) | 16:49 |
| cosmo | well, the only 'daemon' app is openssh server. disabling owm didn't help | 16:50 |
| mib_8w4x7q | are you running windows? | 16:50 |
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| mib_8w4x7q | you guys on this chat are computer savvy so i have a question | 16:50 |
| * lcuk isnt computer savvy | 16:51 | |
| mib_8w4x7q | can professional sites like youtube fall victim to cookie stealing | 16:51 |
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| mib_8w4x7q | so if i logg into youtube and somebody tries to steal my cookies would it work | 16:51 |
| lcuk | seseme street has a problem with cookie stealing | 16:51 |
| * RST38h steals a cookie from mib_* then eats it | 16:51 | |
| cmug | for some reason I saw those comments coming far, far away | 16:52 |
| fiferboy | lbt: ping? | 16:52 |
| lbt | hi fiferboy | 16:52 |
| lcuk | lol cmug | 16:52 |
| fiferboy | Hey David, how was Copenhagen? | 16:52 |
| mib_8w4x7q | or am i safe using youtube and then getting the cookies stolen | 16:52 |
| cmug | It's like waving a bone to a dog | 16:52 |
| lcuk | mib_8w4x7q, if you keep your cookies in a lockable jar on the top shelf no1 will steal them | 16:53 |
| lbt | mib_8w4x7q: soak them in milk... makes them harder to pick up | 16:53 |
| mib_8w4x7q | honestly can i please have an answer | 16:53 |
| cmug | eat them all ? | 16:53 |
| lbt | it was good ... | 16:53 |
| lcuk | you have many answers | 16:53 |
| lcuk | infact, you have had more answers for this topic than anything else | 16:53 |
| lbt | managed to run Qt on the new device | 16:54 |
| lcuk | do you worry about cookie stealing on your desktop? | 16:54 |
| mib_8w4x7q | yes | 16:54 |
| cmug | What is defined as a cookie | 16:54 |
| lcuk | lbt, and wasted a wonderful opportunity to scare the pants of the nokia guys | 16:54 |
| lcuk | mib_8w4x7q, why? | 16:54 |
| lbt | <sigh> | 16:54 |
| rm_you | mib_8w4x7q: i wouldn't worry | 16:54 |
| * lcuk never worries about cookies | 16:54 | |
| lbt | we had bounce and everything... | 16:54 |
| mib_8w4x7q | well because somebody could hack into my youtube account | 16:54 |
| cmug | I would rather worry about people having access to my desktop firt | 16:54 |
| cmug | first* | 16:54 |
| lcuk | now, my penguins - thats a different story | 16:55 |
| lcuk | mib_8w4x7q, for what gain? | 16:55 |
| lcuk | financial reward? | 16:55 |
| lbt | fiferboy: they were impressed enough that I won a trip to Holland out of it :) | 16:55 |
| lcuk | or just to watch dodgy videos | 16:55 |
| mib_8w4x7q | well ive protected my desktop | 16:55 |
| fiferboy | lbt: Nice! | 16:55 |
| lcuk | and have them linked to related stuff when you post new ones | 16:55 |
| lbt | now I need to let them know you were on the team and see what they say... | 16:55 |
| mib_8w4x7q | im using youtube as an example | 16:55 |
| cmug | lbt, who from Nokia was there? | 16:55 |
| lcuk | mib_8w4x7q, how did you protect your desktop? | 16:55 |
| mib_8w4x7q | any professional website | 16:55 |
| fiferboy | lbt: What's this about running on a new device? | 16:56 |
| lbt | quim, neils, sonia, johannes... loads of other | 16:56 |
| lcuk | "no cookies are left in this computer overnight" | 16:56 |
| lbt | sdk people for gtk though | 16:56 |
| cmug | None ring a bell :) | 16:56 |
| lbt | yeah... need irc handles | 16:56 |
| mib_8w4x7q | i have a firewall and such | 16:56 |
| lcuk | mib_8w4x7q, a software firewall? | 16:57 |
| lbt | no Qt people | 16:57 |
| cmug | mib_8w4x7q, ahha, but you're connected to the Internet! There is your caveat | 16:57 |
| mib_8w4x7q | yes | 16:57 |
| lcuk | oooooh thats worse | 16:57 |
| cmug | I have a trolltech cap | 16:57 |
| lcuk | false sense of security | 16:57 |
| lbt | but they were clear about the Qt mid-term future | 16:57 |
| lbt | cmug... :D | 16:57 |
| mib_8w4x7q | argh im getting nowhere slowly | 16:57 |
| lcuk | have you got a hardware router with proper IDS? | 16:57 |
| mib_8w4x7q | yeah why not | 16:58 |
| fiferboy | lbt: What's the plan for Qt? | 16:58 |
| lbt | Qt is available in fremantle | 16:58 |
| cmug | How about physical access to the firewall, is it secure enough? | 16:58 |
| lbt | and supported in harmattan (sp?) | 16:58 |
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| cmug | lbt, what does that mean in practice | 16:58 |
| mib_8w4x7q | i just want to know about cookie stealing for no | 16:58 |
| mib_8w4x7q | w | 16:58 |
| lbt | and it has leaked that the new device has 256 RAM so we'll be easier to dual-toolkit | 16:58 |
| cmug | they're switching totally to QT? | 16:58 |
| lbt | I doubt it | 16:58 |
| lbt | not in harmattan | 16:59 |
| lbt | too much community gtk | 16:59 |
| fiferboy | Maybe harmattan + 1... | 16:59 |
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| cmug | k | 16:59 |
| lbt | and hildonised Qt moving to mobile space | 16:59 |
| fiferboy | Too bad nobody from Qt was there | 17:00 |
| Pavlov | it was a good weekend | 17:00 |
| lbt | yeah... they tried apparently | 17:00 |
| fiferboy | I assume your trip to Holland will have a lot of Qt people, though? | 17:00 |
| lbt | I hope so | 17:00 |
| lbt | I think it was nice to see the theming in Shopper though... it looked very cool on the new device | 17:01 |
| lbt | and the bounce was great | 17:01 |
| lbt | it actually looked very integrated | 17:02 |
| cmug | bounce? | 17:02 |
| lbt | overshoot on fingerscrolling | 17:02 |
| lbt | cmug: you know I implemented fingerscroll (kinetic) on QAbstractScrollArea | 17:03 |
| cmug | I do now | 17:03 |
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| lbt | and then added the hildon (iphone) overshoot/bounce effect | 17:03 |
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| lbt | and am trying to get it accepted as a community contribution to Hildon-Qt | 17:03 |
| cmug | Ah that | 17:03 |
| lbt | yeah | 17:03 |
| lbt | that | 17:03 |
| cmug | the wow is strong in that | 17:04 |
| fiferboy | lbt: Did you get to do any hacking on Qt? | 17:04 |
| lbt | cmug: ? the bounce..... or doing it in Qt | 17:04 |
| lcuk | lbt, you never saw just how super speedy liqbase was on the new device did you | 17:04 |
| lbt | fiferboy: lcuk: no | 17:04 |
| lcuk | i thought it was slick before - this really is running on baconfat | 17:04 |
| lbt | heh | 17:04 |
| Pavlov | heh | 17:04 |
| lcuk | and goes on and on and on | 17:04 |
| cmug | lbt, the bounce effect | 17:05 |
| lbt | post-departure we all reckon you should port to Gl | 17:05 |
| cmug | in general | 17:05 |
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| lbt | I thought it was eye candy | 17:05 |
| lbt | but it's good ui feedback | 17:05 |
| cmug | Never thought of it that way, but I agree | 17:06 |
| * lbt prostrated himself in abject apology to all those he slighted | 17:06 | |
| Pavlov | lbt: is your patch for the qt stuff up anywhere? | 17:06 |
| cmug | I understood 7 of those words | 17:06 |
| lbt | still it's nice that I got "1 up" on the gtk crowd | 17:07 |
| fiferboy | Ah, toolkit wars :) | 17:07 |
| lbt | my fingerscroll is native... you don't need a special pannable area | 17:07 |
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| lbt | Pavlov: gitorious | 17:07 |
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| lbt | http://gitorious.org/qt-maemo | 17:08 |
| Pavlov | cool | 17:09 |
| Pavlov | i've written a lot of similar code for fennec | 17:09 |
| lbt | http://gitorious.org/+qt-maemo-developers/qt/qt-maemo | 17:09 |
| lbt | ah... fiferboy helped find some edge cases ... like nested scrollareas | 17:10 |
| Pavlov | yeah, those are kind of a pain | 17:10 |
| lbt | I allow passthrough of clicks and click-drag to child widgets | 17:10 |
| Pavlov | although not too bad | 17:10 |
| lbt | which is kinda neat | 17:10 |
| lardman | hey lcuk, am off on Friday, work to get finished before I go | 17:10 |
| lcuk | fiferboy, toolkit wars arent that bad as long as good code is written, the results can be shared and percolated | 17:10 |
| lbt | (well, uber-cook actually) | 17:10 |
| lcuk | and linux is a great place to allow everthing | 17:10 |
| fiferboy | lbt: Do you have any plans on how to treat text areas? | 17:11 |
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| lbt | ? | 17:11 |
| fiferboy | lcuk: I agree, but you have to admit they are fun to watch | 17:11 |
| lbt | you mean the virt keyboard issue? | 17:11 |
| fiferboy | lbt: Yes | 17:11 |
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| lbt | SEP | 17:11 |
| lbt | I need to put another hat on and kick myself <sigh> | 17:12 |
| lcuk | fiferboy, im in the middle of it myself lol | 17:12 |
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| lcuk | lbt, im going to totally rebuild my dev env - losing the comfort of the memory card might have been a good thing | 17:12 |
| lcuk | though its really gonna slow me down! | 17:13 |
| * lbt nods | 17:13 | |
| lcuk | rm was shocked when he saw me build and run and CTRL C from the program to make changes | 17:13 |
| RST38h | Ehhehehe | 17:13 |
| lbt | shocked or stunned | 17:13 |
| lbt | <grin> | 17:13 |
| lcuk | shocked | 17:14 |
| lcuk | dev for me is such a low level thing | 17:14 |
| lcuk | its really quick and simple to design and test | 17:14 |
| lcuk | AND - extra bonus now i have a lib :: its essentially just ssh+gcc+libliqbase-dev ;) | 17:14 |
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| lcuk | and you can make liq* apps on device | 17:15 |
| lcuk | not really wasting mega tonnes of space, cos loads of things are encapsulated within libliqbase | 17:15 |
| lardman | where's your new code then lcuk, we want to play :) | 17:15 |
| * lcuk cant wait for it to be in extras :) | 17:15 | |
| lcuk | lardman, search google for libliqbase, keesj has a public git branch | 17:16 |
| lcuk | of the library with packaging stuff | 17:16 |
| lardman | cool | 17:16 |
| lcuk | its still not in extras yet obviously lol | 17:16 |
| lcuk | but we got it running | 17:16 |
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| lcuk | the actual vworld main liqbase app is there as well, but the package is a bit more messy, that will take some reshaping first | 17:16 |
| Pavlov | lbt: heh, every single kinetic scrolling impl i've seen is done differently | 17:18 |
| lcuk | Pavlov, and they are all inferior to mine :D | 17:18 |
| Pavlov | uh huh ;) | 17:18 |
| Bobbe | lol | 17:18 |
| Bobbe | modesty is a virtue | 17:18 |
| Bobbe | but i do feel lcuk's is faster than anything else I've used | 17:18 |
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| * lcuk wrote the simplest implementation | 17:18 | |
| * fiferboy is the most modest person here | 17:19 | |
| Bobbe | canola's pretty good, tho | 17:19 |
| Pavlov | we used to have a crazy complicated version | 17:19 |
| lcuk | Bobbe, its not just fastest, its the actual working, i see huge jumps happen with others | 17:19 |
| * lbt is just awesome | 17:19 | |
| lcuk | heh | 17:19 |
| Pavlov | i threw it out made it simple heh | 17:19 |
| Bobbe | lol | 17:19 |
| lcuk | good | 17:19 |
| lbt | and has a prize to prove it <gloat> | 17:19 |
| Bobbe | lbt, if it's your daughter's Dad of the Year mug it doesn't count | 17:19 |
| Bobbe | Biased awarder | 17:20 |
| lcuk | lbt, your expansion of existing qt stuff is really really really beneficial | 17:20 |
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| lbt | Pavlov: I wrote mine and it was very similar to the Qt guy who did flickcharm | 17:20 |
| lbt | then he suggested I make it state based | 17:21 |
| lbt | and at that point it was almost identical | 17:21 |
| Pavlov | yeah, the state based for clicks vs drags is useful | 17:21 |
| fiferboy | FlickCharm has some major problems compared to lbt's | 17:21 |
| lbt | yeah... it was proof of concept | 17:22 |
| lbt | and made assumptions (as you do) | 17:22 |
| lbt | so it bulked up a fair bit... | 17:22 |
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| lbt | then even more to handle bounce | 17:22 |
| lbt | and that's still a pig-ugly hack | 17:22 |
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| minra- | pretzel stick makes a good stylis | 17:51 |
| Ave | and you can eat it too | 17:52 |
| Mouser__ | hello | 17:52 |
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| minra- | can someone tell me where to turn off word-prediction popup? or search terms||? | 17:56 |
| Mouser__ | It's in the control panel under Text Input Settings, minra- | 17:57 |
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| Mouser__ | minra-, specifically, under the languages tab and then under Settings... | 17:59 |
| minra- | hmm | 17:59 |
| Mouser__ | minra-, do you see it? | 18:00 |
| minra- | no | 18:00 |
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| minra- | ooohh | 18:00 |
| minra- | somehow my eye didnt pick that up as a button | 18:00 |
| Mouser__ | minra- , glad you found it. :) | 18:01 |
| minra- | thank you! | 18:01 |
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| Mouser__ | You're welcome! | 18:01 |
| fiferboy | lbt: I found out why your latest changes don't work for me | 18:01 |
| lbt | good... | 18:01 |
| fiferboy | It is calling setFingerScrollable in an infinite loop in the DynamicPropertyChange event | 18:02 |
| lbt | hmm.. that'll slow it down | 18:02 |
| fiferboy | Yes, it has a hard time getting past that. | 18:03 |
| fiferboy | It takes so long to count to infinity on an N810, it's really a hardware problem | 18:03 |
| lbt | quantum tablet... | 18:03 |
| fiferboy | Is that fixed in the next hardware revision? | 18:04 |
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| lbt | shh.... but yes... and there's a flux capacitor too. | 18:04 |
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| lbt | see what happens! | 18:04 |
| lbt | their grandparents just died! | 18:04 |
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| fiferboy | Now I have to find out why it keeps calling it. I think that the setting the property is calling the dynamic property change to set the property | 18:05 |
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| lcuk | rx-52: added flux capacitor | 18:05 |
| lcuk | rx-51: removed it again | 18:05 |
| Mouser__ | I'm having some problems with the built-in Media Player. It is constantly refreshing the library, making it impossible to play local files unless it is invoked externally. I have tried to reconfigure mediaplayer-110-ptbr, but I can't find the package if I were to reinstall. Is there a way to reconfigure this without reflashing? | 18:06 |
| lbt | lcuk: I just got up of the floor ;) | 18:06 |
| lcuk | Mouser__, is there anything unusual in your file system which might trip it up (like links from places) | 18:06 |
| lcuk | lbt, causality is a bitch ;) | 18:07 |
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| Mouser__ | lcuk, That's possible, but not that I'm aware of. I am running the OS cloned to SD, but it was working before. | 18:09 |
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| lcuk | i dunno mouser, sorry | 18:10 |
| Mouser__ | lcuk, is there a way to search for broken or irregular links on the device? | 18:11 |
| lcuk | there probably is, but my knowledge is limited | 18:12 |
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| Mouser__ | I know they are available online, but it would be nice if the manpages were ported. If it's not already done, I would like to give it a try if it's not too hard (my knowledge with the console is limited) | 18:16 |
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| fiferboy | lbt: Hmm, it's not the setFingerScrollable that is triggering all the dynamic property changes... | 18:20 |
| lbt | not looked yet | 18:21 |
| fiferboy | I'll work it out, it just might take a little while | 18:21 |
| fiferboy | Just talking the problem through | 18:21 |
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| lbt | ah | 18:21 |
| lbt | my laptop woke up | 18:22 |
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| lcuk | lbt, \o in cph, you opened a console with some funny vulcan pinch, which key combo was it? | 18:22 |
| lbt | ctrl-shift-n | 18:23 |
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| lardman | re | 18:23 |
| lcuk | thx | 18:23 |
| lcuk | hey lardman \o | 18:23 |
| lardman | hi lcuk | 18:23 |
| * lcuk loves how shiny and slick liqbase runs on new hardware | 18:23 | |
| lcuk | lardman, ive started to describe it as literally runnin on baconfat :D | 18:24 |
| lardman | :) very cool | 18:24 |
| lardman | when was the European release date? October? | 18:24 |
| lopz | hola | 18:25 |
| fiferboy | lcuk: You should have used the old grade 10 programming trick of using processor loops to limit framerate so it would run 10x too fast on new hardware... | 18:25 |
| lcuk | it doesnt run 10x too fast | 18:26 |
| lcuk | its super duper smooth at the framerate practical for the device | 18:26 |
| fiferboy | I know, but it would if you put in processor loops | 18:27 |
| lcuk | and framerate drops to 0 when nothing is in motion or changing :) | 18:27 |
| * Pavlov kinda wants to see how liqbase would work as a web app | 18:28 | |
| lcuk | a web app? i gather the framerate would drop | 18:28 |
| fiferboy | Shouldn't you put in a bunch of extra overhead so that it barely runs on the current device to make everyone but the new device? | 18:28 |
| Pavlov | dunno | 18:28 |
| lcuk | theres a new fennec extension which won for drawing and sending to twitpics | 18:28 |
| Pavlov | yeah it is cool | 18:28 |
| lcuk | fiferboy, not at all - i want the best experience possible on the current device - the code i use scales - the new device will simply allow more visible usable interactive tiles | 18:29 |
| lcuk | the 810 is better with fewer | 18:29 |
| fiferboy | lbt: Fixed the problem | 18:29 |
| lcuk | when i get it on my big wall mounted touch panel and a fast processor i can have even more | 18:30 |
| lbt | :) | 18:30 |
| lcuk | fiferboy, and on that score - new libliqbase code *is* slower than the old original liqbase, that was purely superiorly optimized specifically for the device | 18:30 |
| lcuk | and specifically for what it does | 18:30 |
| lcuk | but it was not reusable really | 18:31 |
| fiferboy | lcuk: Sounds great! | 18:31 |
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| fiferboy | lbt: It was the qabstractscrollarea->setProperty("FingerScrollable", true); call in qabstractscrollarea->setProperty("FingerScrollable", true); | 18:32 |
| timeless_mbp | anyone here familiar w/ sb2? :) | 18:32 |
| fiferboy | Fingerscrolling is working without it, so I assume I didn't break anything. | 18:32 |
| lbt | line? | 18:32 |
| timeless_mbp | Pavlov: personally, i want to see someone make a licqbase output method for Gecko | 18:33 |
| VDVsx | lcuk, btw, who was the winner of the dev contest in the mozmae event ? | 18:33 |
| timeless_mbp | so that we could get reasonable performance on n800s :) | 18:33 |
| fiferboy | lbt, oops I meant in QAbstractAreaPrivateScroller | 18:33 |
| timeless_mbp | VDVsx: the twitter sketcher thing and the qt shopper | 18:33 |
| fiferboy | line 1442 in my code, but it is slightly different from yours (with the different legal header, etc) | 18:33 |
| Pavlov | VDVsx: one of the ffennec addon devs for https://addons.mozilla.org/en-US/fennec/addon/12191 and lbt for his qt finger panning stuff | 18:34 |
| VDVsx | timeless, Pavlov , thanks, didn't know that FF/fennec extension are so powerful/resourceful :P | 18:35 |
| lbt | fiferboy: hmm | 18:35 |
| fiferboy | lbt: I don't know why that line is causing problems, and I'm not even sure it should be working without it, but it fixed the problem I was having. | 18:36 |
| wazd__ | lcuk: are you talking bout beagleboard or *something else*?) | 18:36 |
| Pavlov | VDVsx: yeah it was pretty sweet | 18:36 |
| Pavlov | VDVsx: the same guy built https://addons.mozilla.org/en-US/fennec/addon/12118 the week before | 18:36 |
| Pavlov | he's on a pretty good roll i'd say | 18:36 |
| lbt | fiferboy: it'll work... but it's needed to be flexible | 18:36 |
| lcuk | wazd__, we had access to hardware this weekend | 18:37 |
| fiferboy | lbt: I think it might not be the root cause of the problem, I have just taken out the call to the property change, but if the application code changes the property it will probably freeze too | 18:37 |
| lcuk | didnt you see or read anything? | 18:37 |
| lbt | wazd http://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?t=29270 | 18:38 |
| wazd__ | lcuk: oh, I thought you've taken home one :) | 18:38 |
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| lcuk | nop wazd__ keesj and jeremiah_ and i (me less so) sweated and strained to get a couple of packages built | 18:41 |
| lcuk | then went through a whole convoluted path to get it on device | 18:41 |
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| rm_you | whatever happened to telepathy-haze? | 18:50 |
| rm_you | need AIM support >_> | 18:50 |
| rm_you | ah found it on garage (rtcomm)... anyone know if it will still brick my tablet? :P | 18:53 |
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| Myrtti | has anyone actually managed to get telepathy-haze to work? I've not managed to get it work, ever | 18:55 |
| rm_you | lol it used to, and then one release it bricked everyone's tablets... | 18:55 |
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| qwerty12 | rm_you: try it and let us know if it still does it :p | 18:56 |
| rm_you | lol k | 18:56 |
| rm_you | i will be sad >_> | 18:56 |
| Stskeeps | you peeps better be sitting in the couch in SIH and talking to people too ;) | 18:57 |
| jaska | sih? | 18:57 |
| qwerty12 | rm_you: Lol, if you want, I'll install rtcomm and see if it bricks mine; I've got a backup of my flash | 18:57 |
| GAN800 | rm_you, install the beta, then add the Collabora repo from gronmayer to finish it. | 18:57 |
| Stskeeps | sleep in heaven, the hostel they're at :P | 18:57 |
| GAN800 | It's a mess, but it works fine once installed. | 18:57 |
| jaska | was just wondering, my laptops are always named sih | 18:57 |
| rm_you | i'm just doing it :P | 18:57 |
| rm_you | Stskeeps: i'm on the couch :P | 18:57 |
| fiferboy | lbt: Does this make any sense; when a new QAbstractScrollAreaPrivateScroller is created it sets the FingerScrollable property to "true" which creates a new QAbstractScrollAreaPrivateScroller | 18:57 |
| rm_you | johnx is ASLEEP on the couch... lol | 18:58 |
| rm_you | I want to be asleep <_< very tired | 18:58 |
| fiferboy | That's where the loop is coming from. | 18:58 |
| lbt | lemme see (sounds v. plausible) | 18:59 |
| lbt | shouldn't.... | 19:00 |
| lbt | if (! fingerScroller) | 19:00 |
| lbt | fingerScroller = new QAbstractScrollAreaPrivateScroller(viewport, q, this); | 19:00 |
| lbt | only creates one if there isn't one | 19:00 |
| lbt | although.... | 19:01 |
| fiferboy | Initialization, maybe? | 19:02 |
| lbt | yeah.. it creates it and loops before the member is set | 19:02 |
| timeless_mbp | right, so anyone here familiar w/ sb2? :) | 19:04 |
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| lbt | timeless_mbp: suihkulokki may be when he's about | 19:05 |
| timeless_mbp | he's s bit idle :( | 19:05 |
| timeless_mbp | suihkulokki: all i want to be able to do is use apt-get update :) | 19:05 |
| Stskeeps | sb2 -e apt-get update? :P | 19:05 |
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| timeless_mbp | it says read only filesytem | 19:10 |
| timeless_mbp | (typos mine) | 19:10 |
| Stskeeps | ah, -R | 19:10 |
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| * GAN800 wonders how Maemo Devices is doing. | 19:16 | |
| Stskeeps | party? ;) | 19:17 |
| GAN800 | Maybe they're fighting over territory with paper shuriken and cardboard tube swords. | 19:22 |
| fiferboy | lbt: Would adding a boolean variable to check against instead of the object itself solve this? | 19:22 |
| lbt | no... the constructor can't use signals.. | 19:23 |
| lbt | well it can | 19:23 |
| lbt | but it won't work | 19:23 |
| lbt | nah, they tried the prototype hardware compiler and it blew up... <eek> | 19:24 |
| lbt | ^^ @ GAN800 | 19:24 |
| fiferboy | lbt: Is the solution then to set the FingerScrollable property somewhere outside of the constructor? | 19:25 |
| Stskeeps | i still believe that was a countdown | 19:25 |
| Stskeeps | too much activity => blow up | 19:25 |
| Stskeeps | which is what the accelerometers are for | 19:25 |
| Stskeeps | :P | 19:25 |
| lbt | fiferboy: mmm dunno.... busy on something else ATM ... nag me though | 19:25 |
| fiferboy | lbt: Okay. I'll try to figure it out and fall back on pestering you if that fails. | 19:26 |
| lbt | sure | 19:26 |
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| Stskeeps | seriously, why are people working on the maemo matchbox-window-manager (v1) | 19:36 |
| lcuk | cos you are watching | 19:37 |
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| methods | are there any generalized voip programs that let me connect to a sip provider that work nicely ? | 19:39 |
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| wazd_n800 | damn, so hot in Moscow... | 19:50 |
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| wjs_ltop | ping lcuk | 19:56 |
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| ciroip | oh, moskow and hot in same sentece is an oxymoron | 20:00 |
| lcuk | ciroip, its a really nice summer blast over northern europe as a whole | 20:00 |
| lcuk | wjs_ltop, pong | 20:00 |
| ShadowJK | the mer helsinki weather screenshot is probably accurate now | 20:00 |
| fiferboy | wazd_n800: My wife and I were watching the news and she said "How is it hotter in Moscow than it is here?!" | 20:01 |
| wjs_ltop | lcuk: You mentioned keesj might have newer liqbase packages, but I haven't been able to locate... | 20:01 |
| lcuk | heh | 20:01 |
| lcuk | google libliqbase | 20:01 |
| qwerty12 | fiferboy: You're in Canada, get used to it :P | 20:01 |
| lcuk | its got the stuff we did at weekend | 20:01 |
| fiferboy | qwerty12: Southern Canada! | 20:01 |
| qwerty12 | There's a difference? :P | 20:02 |
| Myrtti | polar bears, moose and lumberjacks | 20:02 |
| lcuk | qwerty12, its similar to north/south england divide ;) | 20:02 |
| lcuk | and fifer is on the crap side ;P | 20:02 |
| qwerty12 | lcuk: Oh, yes, I can see fiferboy is located in the better part then | 20:02 |
| fiferboy | lcuk: Hey! South is where it is at, Canada or England! | 20:03 |
| qwerty12 | fiferboy: I've been telling him that for so long :( | 20:03 |
| fiferboy | They just don't listen in the North | 20:03 |
| GAN800 | Hot. Psh. | 20:03 |
| lcuk | hehehehehe | 20:04 |
| wjs_ltop | lcuk, are the debs in git? or do I have to compile? | 20:04 |
| lcuk | you would have to compile for now | 20:04 |
| GAN800 | Get back to me when it's 95F in the shade and 140% hummidity. :p | 20:04 |
| lcuk | im sorting out a few isms in it and specifics | 20:04 |
| lcuk | but the packages exist and can be worked on | 20:04 |
| wjs_ltop | lcuk: ok, just checking.. | 20:04 |
| lcuk | infact the vworld app itself is gonna be shaped properly now | 20:04 |
| |R | hehe, south canada... like 99% of the population :P | 20:04 |
| lcuk | yeah wjs_ltop :) ive gone from having no way at all to package it, now its feasible to run on multi oses | 20:05 |
| lcuk | :) | 20:05 |
| lcuk | after ive done what im doing this afternoon i will be applying for a new garage account for the library itself | 20:05 |
| wazd_n800 | ciroip: well, we don't have winter 365 days a year) | 20:07 |
| lcuk | apart from now | 20:07 |
| lcuk | are you melting wazd? | 20:07 |
| wazd_n800 | yeah( | 20:08 |
| lcuk | heh me too | 20:08 |
| lcuk | i need aircon | 20:08 |
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| wazd_n800 | according to omweather we have fricking 32ºC | 20:09 |
| wazd_n800 | heading to my country underground bunker)) | 20:10 |
| lcuk | yeah it gets a bit stuck sometimes, give it a shake and it will finish going up | 20:10 |
| lcuk | hehehehe :D what a wicked app for device | 20:11 |
| lcuk | a barometer you have to tap like a real one | 20:11 |
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| wazd_n800 | btw, was there an accelerometer support in those device prefabs at the weekend? | 20:14 |
| wazd_n800 | or screen rotation | 20:14 |
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| lcuk | didnt see either but that doesnt mean it wasnt there - we had the sme apps as on the sdk basically | 20:15 |
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| lcuk | just running on real omap3 hardware | 20:15 |
| * lcuk drools when saying that | 20:15 | |
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| * wazd_n800 drools when thinking of «final beta» SDK | 20:17 | |
| cmug | http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Maemo_Platform#Maemo_SDK has broken links :( | 20:17 |
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| lcuk | fix em then | 20:17 |
| cmug | :) | 20:17 |
| Myrtti | {{sofixit}} | 20:18 |
| lcuk | http://maemo.org/development/sdks/ | 20:18 |
| lcuk | is the starting point for maemo based sdk documentation | 20:18 |
| lcuk | you should be able to find whatever you need from there | 20:18 |
| cmug | yes. I was just browsing around generally and noticed a dead link | 20:18 |
| cmug | trying to find the correct target.. | 20:19 |
| lcuk | you sure it wasn't just sleeping? | 20:19 |
| cmug | http://maemo.org/development/training/maemo_technology_overview_content/ is what I think is correct | 20:19 |
| cmug | http://maemo.org/maemo_training_material/maemo4.x/html/maemo_Technology_Overview/index.html is the link in Wikipedia that is broken | 20:19 |
| wazd_n800 | and what about screen type, was it reflective/transflective/OLED/AMOLED/Monochrome? | 20:20 |
| lcuk | didnt have enough lighting variation to tell | 20:21 |
| lcuk | it was color of course | 20:21 |
| * ciroip want a monochrome device | 20:21 | |
| Stskeeps | greyscale! | 20:21 |
| lcuk | 3x resolution for greyscale | 20:21 |
| * lcuk would love that | 20:21 | |
| lcuk | REALLY love it | 20:21 |
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| lcuk | 2400*480 or 800*1440 depending on orientation of pels | 20:22 |
| ciroip | we are freaks: I wonder how Nokia still listen the maemo community | 20:22 |
| lcuk | ciroip, which part are you noticing now | 20:22 |
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| ciroip | just a generic realization | 20:23 |
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| fiferboy | lbt: Got it working. | 20:25 |
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| GAN800 | wazd_n800, transflective. | 20:27 |
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| wazd_n800 | lbt: btw, have you done any of my suggestions for Shopper?) | 20:27 |
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| wazd_n800 | GAN800, nice | 20:28 |
| lcuk | yes wazd_n800 he has made vodka a default item on a new shopping list :p it should save you some time lol | 20:28 |
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| lcuk | cheese, bacon, vodka | 20:29 |
| lcuk | that should keep us going for a while | 20:29 |
| GAN800 | wazd_n800, from what I hear, it's way clearer than the N810's. | 20:29 |
| wazd_n800 | lcuk: vodka. eeeww >.< | 20:29 |
| wazd_n800 | lcuk: bring out Tequilla!) | 20:30 |
| lcuk | lol ok | 20:30 |
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| ShadowJK | I want a holographic screen | 20:30 |
| lbt | wazd yes... hit some bugs in Qt and then got sidetracked onto Mer though | 20:31 |
| lbt | so no functional changes yet | 20:31 |
| ShadowJK | Not to make things jump out of the device, but to make a "flat" screen apper deep inside the device.. Imagine if could put it 5cm infront of your eyes but focus eyes like it was a 50" screen a few metres away | 20:31 |
| wazd_n800 | ShadowJK, that's easy:) | 20:32 |
| ShadowJK | oh? | 20:32 |
| wazd_n800 | ShadowJK, use accelerometer and camera to track device position and move it around imaginary huge screen :) | 20:33 |
| Stskeeps | yeah, AR would be nice : | 20:33 |
| Stskeeps | P | 20:33 |
| ShadowJK | wazd_n800, oh but I'd want all of the screen visible at the same time :) | 20:34 |
| wazd_n800 | ShadowJK, and zoom in/out with some optical distortion effect) | 20:34 |
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| wazd_n800 | ShadowJK, $250 and you'll have video glasses then) | 20:35 |
| ShadowJK | I wonder if nokia is spending any money on some crazy lunatic in a nokia building's basement somewhere experimenting with holographics | 20:35 |
| ShadowJK | yeah but all the video glasses are lowres :/ | 20:36 |
| fiferboy | lbt: I'm going to see if I can find out why horizontal bounce isn't working, then look at the overshoot function | 20:36 |
| Stskeeps | i'm almost willing to say they probably do | 20:36 |
| Stskeeps | maemo sw seems quite vibrant at least | 20:36 |
| wazd_n800 | ShadowJK, i don't think that nokia develops screens or other low-level hardware | 20:36 |
| wazd_n800 | jesus christ | 20:38 |
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| wazd_n800 | http://research.nokia.com/research/mobile3D | 20:39 |
| Stskeeps | ais this new? | 20:39 |
| Pavlov | is that a n800? | 20:39 |
| RST38h | well n800 with stuff flying out of the screen is new | 20:40 |
| cmug | I hear they use them in Nokia offices all day long | 20:40 |
| Pavlov | how do i take advantage of the flying-out-of-the-screen tech in my app? | 20:40 |
| luke-jr | ö | 20:40 |
| ShadowJK | "modified N800" | 20:40 |
| wazd_n800 | It's an n800 with stereoscopic screen) | 20:40 |
| RST38h | ohmygod | 20:40 |
| lcuk | whoa! that device has powervr working! | 20:41 |
| ShadowJK | lcuk, naah... | 20:41 |
| ShadowJK | I don't think powervr is useful for this :) | 20:41 |
| wazd_n800 | lcuk: that's everything you've noticed?)) | 20:41 |
| Pavlov | too bad about the h.264 part | 20:41 |
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| lcuk | theres more? | 20:42 |
| lcuk | ShadowJK, you need some extra horse power to run anything realtime lol | 20:42 |
| RST38h | it is just a way to compress stereoscopic video in some special efficient way | 20:44 |
| ShadowJK | Well they didn't specify resolution :) | 20:44 |
| ShadowJK | RST38h, yep :-) | 20:44 |
| RST38h | no actual 3d involved although looks cool | 20:44 |
| lcuk | so no 3d apps | 20:45 |
| ShadowJK | It could be two 176 x 144 videos :) | 20:45 |
| ShadowJK | or two 176x144 video streams... the thing is to find ways to take advantage of the similarities between the two streams, and encode them efficiently | 20:46 |
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| ShadowJK | lcuk, well if you had these modifications they did, you might be able to do 3D in liqbase ;-) | 20:46 |
| ShadowJK | probably needs 3D shutter glasses or something.. | 20:47 |
| lcuk | i will do 3d in liqbase once i get net syncing working | 20:47 |
| lcuk | having almost identical stuff on 2 different devices ;) | 20:48 |
| fiferboy | lbt: Fixed horizontal bounce :) | 20:48 |
| * lcuk can see the tunneling effect of liq* screens working really well | 20:48 | |
| lcuk | and since its multiple layers deep (as far as the designer specifies..) | 20:49 |
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| fiferboy | brb, coffee | 20:52 |
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| lbt | fiferboy: did it have horiz/vert swapped? | 20:53 |
| lbt | bbiab ..food | 20:54 |
| fiferboy | lbt: Yes, vsh references in horizontal code | 20:54 |
| fiferboy | /s/vsh/vsb | 20:55 |
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| sb2victim | hello world | 21:13 |
| sb2victim | $ sb2-show | 21:14 |
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| sb2victim | sb2-show: error while loading shared libraries: libsb2.so.1: cannot open shared object file: No such file or directory | 21:14 |
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| sb2victim | is that supposed to happen? :) | 21:14 |
| sb2victim | oh awesome | 21:14 |
| cmug | Did the Sports Tracker for Maemo ever see the light of day? | 21:14 |
| sb2victim | 'sb2-show' must be executed inside sb2 sandbox (see the 'sb2'command) | 21:14 |
| sb2victim | cmug: beyond being presented at MozMae? | 21:15 |
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| cmug | sb2victim, http://search.maemo.org/search?q=sports&btnG=Search&site=maemo-org&client=maemo-org&proxystylesheet=maemo-org&output=xml_no_dtd has an archived news "First preview of Sports Tracker for Maemo available!" but that leads nowhere and is the only clue on the subject that I can find | 21:16 |
| cmug | I can dig up about MozMae | 21:16 |
| cmug | was that the event this weekend in Cph? | 21:16 |
| Stskeeps | yup | 21:17 |
| cmug | It was demoed there? | 21:17 |
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| Stskeeps | wasnt it ecoach? | 21:17 |
| sb2victim | isn't that the same thing? | 21:17 |
| sb2victim | if it quacks like a duck | 21:17 |
| cmug | well Sports Tracker also has a community on the website | 21:18 |
| sb2victim | http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Duck_test | 21:18 |
| cmug | ecoach doesn't appear to be compatible | 21:18 |
| sb2victim | the picture btw is quite nice | 21:18 |
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| sb2victim | sp3000: whatever this window manager is, it sucks. i want my OQO r2, it has a tinier screen and an eraser pointer, but at least i can move windows around, whereas this large screen and real mouse+keyboard manage to make such basic operations incredibly difficult | 21:22 |
| sp3000 | really? | 21:22 |
| sb2victim | yep | 21:22 |
| Stskeeps | what device is that? | 21:22 |
| sb2victim | this? it's a full dell workstation w/ widescreen lcd, ibm keyboard, dell usb wheel mouse, and ubuntu 9.04 | 21:23 |
| Stskeeps | ah | 21:23 |
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| StOrM_NW | anyway to kill the Connection Manager? | 21:25 |
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| qwerty12_N800 | /etc/init.d/icd2 stop - if I understand your question properly | 21:26 |
| sb2victim | sb2-init: Host architecture is 'i[3456]86' | 21:27 |
| * sb2victim applauds sb2 | 21:27 | |
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| jaem | hey folks | 21:29 |
| jaem | should Midori bugs (on Maemo) go to the Midori bugtracker, or the maemo.org bugtracker? | 21:29 |
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| sb2victim | jaem: if you know they're upstream, send them upstream | 21:30 |
| sb2victim | if you want to show that we're talking to upstream | 21:30 |
| sb2victim | file them in maemo and andre or someone (e.g. you) can refile them upstream | 21:30 |
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| jaem | sb2victim: it seems to be upstream to me, but I wasn't entirely sure what the maemo maintainer had done with it | 21:31 |
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| sb2victim | in that case, feel free to file it in maemo | 21:31 |
| jaem | the issue is that it seems to accept n-1 chars in a textbox limited to n chars | 21:31 |
| qwerty12_N800 | jaem: not much... | 21:31 |
| StOrM_NW | ok my problem is that using the Connection Manager, the icon at top conner ... i can connect to an AP, but if i execute i get this | 21:31 |
| jaem | sb2victim: okay, sure | 21:31 |
| qwerty12_N800 | jaem: that's a webkit bug pertaining to Bundyo's build | 21:31 |
| sb2victim | although, i don't think i've created a midori product | 21:31 |
| StOrM_NW | wlan0 NOT READY ESSID:off/any | 21:31 |
| StOrM_NW | Mode:Auto Channel:0 Access Point: Not-Associated | 21:31 |
| StOrM_NW | Link Quality:0 Signal level:0 Noise level:0 | 21:31 |
| StOrM_NW | Rx invalid nwid:0 invalid crypt:0 invalid misc:0 | 21:31 |
| jaem | qwerty12_N800: ah, okay | 21:32 |
| jaem | so it's already known? | 21:32 |
| sb2victim | i can create one now if you need it | 21:32 |
| andre__ | jaem: there is no Midori project in bugs.maemo.org. Hence preferably upstream :) | 21:32 |
| jaem | andre__: okay | 21:32 |
| sb2victim | andre__: awww, just because you don't want more work :) | 21:32 |
| qwerty12_N800 | sb2victim: don't bother - i'm the (unofficial) maintainer and newer versions are not possible to build | 21:32 |
| qwerty12_N800 | jaem: yep | 21:32 |
| sb2victim | qwerty12_N800: ok | 21:32 |
| jaem | it caused me some grief when I was trying to pay bills/other stuff | 21:32 |
| jaem | :P | 21:32 |
| andre__ | sb2victim, if the maintainer wants it, i can add it, sure | 21:33 |
| jaem | for some reason, they make me enter the *whole* credit card number, when they're going to star out half of it anyways... | 21:33 |
| jaem | just kidding | 21:33 |
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| StOrM_NW | i m using the cx3110x driver | 21:34 |
| jaem | qwerty12_N800: is that one of the issues that the Mer team is waiting on a new build of libwebkit for? (as mentioned in the sprints) | 21:34 |
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| Stskeeps | ah, no, we got the new libwebkit (bundyo's) | 21:35 |
| StOrM_NW | anything that can explain why i cant set wifi parameters using any tool like iwconfig for example? | 21:35 |
| Stskeeps | StOrM_NW: wireless extensions weren't up to date when the driver was made, probably | 21:35 |
| jaem | thanks for the info - I'm off to do useful stuff | 21:36 |
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| StOrM_NW | so any recommendation? flash the device with newest version of maemo? reinstall any tool or other tips that i can get? | 21:37 |
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| luke-jr | StOrM_NW: upgrade to a maintained driver | 21:40 |
| luke-jr | like stlc45xx or, if you like bleeding edge, p54spi | 21:40 |
| johnx | StOrM_NW: there's a version of the wifi driver with the WEXT stuff patched in | 21:43 |
| StOrM_NW | any of these maintained driver is stable to use to ad hoc networks? where can i find this version johnx? | 21:45 |
| minra- | is there an alternate, lightwright media player? diablo MP wont let me skip forward/back accurately | 21:47 |
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| johnx | minra-: check out mplayer | 21:47 |
| minra- | need to search in a 2hr mp3 | 21:47 |
| luke-jr | StOrM_NW: I've never seen anyone use ad-hoc | 21:47 |
| minra- | mplayer stopped outputting sound here :( | 21:47 |
| johnx | StOrM_NW: let's see if I can find a binary package you can unpack and use | 21:48 |
| StOrM_NW | k | 21:48 |
| lcuk | johnx, why are you not out enjoying copenhagen | 21:48 |
| lcuk | its a travesty | 21:48 |
| johnx | lcuk: cause I did all freaking day | 21:49 |
| johnx | and now I'm beat :P | 21:49 |
| lcuk | then do it all freaking night! | 21:49 |
| johnx | I will in a moment actually | 21:49 |
| johnx | :D | 21:49 |
| luke-jr | … | 21:49 |
| johnx | adam is taking a nap | 21:49 |
| lcuk | lol aww poor thing | 21:49 |
| johnx | once he gets up we're gonna head out and find dinner and ... who knows :) | 21:49 |
| lcuk | hows the digs? | 21:49 |
| johnx | heh, little crowded | 21:49 |
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| lcuk | are you taking everything with you or have you got a locker | 21:50 |
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| johnx | we've got a locker | 21:51 |
| s33k3rgr | i have a problem with my n810 | 21:51 |
| s33k3rgr | i cant install stardict | 21:51 |
| johnx | lcuk, wouldn't be able to do much without one | 21:52 |
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| s33k3rgr | Application packages missing: libhildondesktop0(=1:2.0.18-1) | 21:52 |
| s33k3rgr | libhildonfm2(=1:2.0.5) | 21:52 |
| s33k3rgr | libhildonwm0(1:2.0.18-1) " | 21:52 |
| s33k3rgr | it gives me that message | 21:52 |
| s33k3rgr | can anyone help | 21:52 |
| s33k3rgr | ?\ | 21:52 |
| qwerty12_N800 | ~flashing | 21:53 |
| infobot | somebody said flashing was http://wiki.maemo.org/Updating_the_tablet_firmware | 21:53 |
| lcuk | s33k3rgr, i guess you have to find a source for libhildondesktop0! | 21:53 |
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| qwerty12_N800 | time to update. | 21:53 |
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| s33k3rgr | how can i do that? | 21:53 |
| qwerty12_N800 | ~flashing | 21:54 |
| infobot | flashing is probably http://wiki.maemo.org/Updating_the_tablet_firmware | 21:54 |
| johnx | StOrM_NW: still tracking it down ... | 21:54 |
| s33k3rgr | ill try | 21:54 |
| * RST38h moos gleefully | 21:54 | |
| lcuk | backup first | 21:54 |
| lcuk | lol RST38h enjoying the sun or new batch of vodka? | 21:54 |
| s33k3rgr | my version is 4.2008.30-2 | 21:54 |
| qwerty12_N800 | moo RST38h | 21:54 |
| johnx | s33k3rgr: that's not the latest version | 21:55 |
| johnx | you should be able to update with the application manager to a later version, but if that doesn't work you'll just want t flash | 21:56 |
| RST38h | lcuk: enjoying the evening breeze rather | 21:56 |
| s33k3rgr | and that has to do with the installation of the stardict? | 21:56 |
| lcuk | RST38h :) | 21:56 |
| RST38h | qwerty: frozen bubble was cool =) | 21:56 |
| lcuk | johnx, go to christiana and enjoy the atmosphere and see if they will take you in for a couple of days | 21:56 |
| lcuk | offer code for a home | 21:56 |
| johnx | s33k3rgr: well run this in X Terminal: | 21:56 |
| johnx | apt-cache policy libhildondesktop0 | 21:56 |
| johnx | see what version you get | 21:57 |
| RST38h | qwerty: there is S60 version done in pure C/C++ too, it should be way smaller but more difficult to port | 21:57 |
| s33k3rgr | ok | 21:57 |
| s33k3rgr | wait | 21:57 |
| qwerty12_N800 | RST38h: you actually installed it? perl deps are huge :) | 21:57 |
| RST38h | qwerty: no :) but I like playing it on the phone or pc | 21:57 |
| qwerty12_N800 | RST38h: heh :) | 21:57 |
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| johnx | s33k3rgr: where are you trying to install stardict from? | 22:01 |
| s33k3rgr | from application manager offcourse | 22:02 |
| s33k3rgr | is there any other way?? | 22:02 |
| johnx | some people download random files from the internet intended for different versions of Maemo/OS2008 | 22:04 |
| s33k3rgr | where can i find those three? | 22:04 |
| johnx | those are three core libraries | 22:04 |
| johnx | you probably have them installed but have different versions | 22:04 |
| s33k3rgr | can i check with the same command you gave me above? | 22:05 |
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| johnx | yup | 22:05 |
| johnx | you know how to read the results, right? | 22:05 |
| s33k3rgr | i ll tell you | 22:06 |
| johnx | StOrM_NW: Mer recently reorganized their repository a little bit | 22:06 |
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| johnx | I didn't forget you, but I'm still looking :) | 22:06 |
| StOrM_NW | lol | 22:06 |
| StOrM_NW | ok | 22:06 |
| StOrM_NW | but this version that ya are looking for is the one that is the cx3110x modified? | 22:07 |
| s33k3rgr | ok for libhildondesktop0 it is installed as i can see here | 22:07 |
| johnx | StOrM_NW, exactly | 22:07 |
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| johnx | s33k3rgr: it needs exactly the right version | 22:07 |
| StOrM_NW | because i guess its the one that is installed atm | 22:07 |
| s33k3rgr | it is the right | 22:07 |
| StOrM_NW | that i m having some troubles | 22:07 |
| johnx | StOrM_NW: ah, no ideas then | 22:08 |
| johnx | anyways, got to head off for now | 22:08 |
| Stskeeps | have fun! | 22:08 |
| StOrM_NW | thanks anyway | 22:08 |
| johnx | need to eat before it gets too late :) | 22:08 |
| johnx | 'night all | 22:08 |
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| StOrM_NW | night | 22:08 |
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| s33k3rgr | it seems that all three files are insalled | 22:12 |
| s33k3rgr | installed | 22:13 |
| s33k3rgr | with the right versions | 22:13 |
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| hub | what version of Xephyr do you guys use? | 22:14 |
| s33k3rgr | anyone any ideas? | 22:14 |
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| s33k3rgr | should i make an update? | 22:17 |
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| s33k3rgr | ?? | 22:19 |
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| s33k3rgr | guys? | 22:22 |
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| fiferboy | lbt: I've got overshoot to obey the bounds and work like you had it, and the scrollbar squishes when you are in the overshoot area (assuming it is not already at the minimum) | 22:30 |
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| lbt | fiferboy: very nice... | 22:36 |
| lbt | did you change the paint event handler? | 22:37 |
| lbt | or just go out of bounds still? | 22:37 |
| fiferboy | lbt: It is actually very similar to your solution, only it changes the minimum/maximum value as well so the value is always in bounds. | 22:38 |
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| lbt | ah... | 22:38 |
| fiferboy | This provides the squish to the scrollbars | 22:38 |
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| lbt | hmm | 22:38 |
| fiferboy | But it still has the disadvantage of a somewhat undefined behaviour when minimum is less than 0 | 22:39 |
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| fiferboy | I was looking at how h-p-a does it, by inserting an overshoot rectangle | 22:40 |
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| jamiebennett | Any garage admins around that want to approve an upload request to Maemo Extra's? | 22:43 |
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| VDVsx | jamiebennett, -> X-Fade | 22:46 |
| jamiebennett | VDVsx: I know X-Fade I meant around as in available ;) | 22:47 |
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| s33k3rgr | can anyone help me installing stardict ?? | 23:08 |
| s33k3rgr | i just updated my n810 to the latest diablo version | 23:08 |
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| Bobbe | Man, ircing on an E71 sucks | 23:09 |
| Bobbe | Anyways, just a question | 23:09 |
| Bobbe | Are there videos of fremantle running? If so, where? | 23:09 |
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| Stskeeps | only the sdk stuff i think | 23:10 |
| Bobbe | Ah those vm videos running? | 23:11 |
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| Bobbe | Ok then. somebody mentioned it in the forum and I thought it was something more revealing | 23:14 |
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| VDVsx | Bobbe, http://www.youtube.com/results?search_type=&search_query=maemo+5&aq=f | 23:22 |
| VDVsx | the first 3 show the sdk running | 23:22 |
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| fiferboy | lbt: I'll look at changing the painter at some point in the next day | 23:28 |
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| hub | how long does it take to be approved to upload to extras? | 23:38 |
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| hub | the website seems to say "a few hours"... | 23:39 |
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| zakkm | hub: its done manually, so its up to them i believe | 23:40 |
| hub | yeah but then the "a few hours" is misleading :-) | 23:40 |
| zakkm | most time stuff is :P | 23:40 |
| hub | "so don't be alarmed if it takes a few hours before you get an anwser." | 23:40 |
| hub | and I wonder if that's the reason why I have no option to upload my ssh key | 23:41 |
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| zakkm | if you add to extras, it will put in extras repository | 23:41 |
| zakkm | you couldnt add your own server to that through ssh | 23:41 |
| hub | I don't understand. I was talking about http://wiki.maemo.org/Uploading_to_Extras#Setting_up_SSH_to_upload_to_extras | 23:43 |
| lcuk | This step is unnecessary if you are only going to use the web-based Extras Assistant wizard to upload. | 23:43 |
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| hub | lcuk: but necessary if you don't want | 23:44 |
| lcuk | yeah but can be done at a later date | 23:44 |
| lcuk | i think the interface is only open once you have been accepted | 23:44 |
| qwerty12_N800 | ^ | 23:44 |
| hub | ok | 23:44 |
| hub | it is just unclear | 23:44 |
| jamiebennett | having a torrid time with extra's at the moment :( | 23:45 |
| hub | as any other "forge" based system allow uploading ssh keys from start | 23:45 |
| hub | and then give permission when needed | 23:45 |
| lcuk | some key people went to copenhagen this weekend, there might be a bit of a backlog | 23:45 |
| hub | ah right | 23:46 |
| lcuk | mozilla / maemo hackfest (H) | 23:46 |
| jamiebennett | anyone packaged or packaging debhelper > 7.0? | 23:46 |
| lcuk | jamiebennett, i see you are doing entertainer for device | 23:47 |
| lcuk | have you actually run it on it yet? | 23:47 |
| jamiebennett | lcuk: Just trying to satisfy the dependancies and upload them. Hit a brick wall at the moment | 23:47 |
| hub | is there any way to test the "hildon input method" with free software? | 23:47 |
| andre__ | ....copenhagen, plus today is holiday in some countries | 23:47 |
| hub | or am I up to a huge disappointement.... | 23:47 |
| jamiebennett | lcuk: need a few packages that aren't in extra's and getting some weird build errors | 23:48 |
| VDVsx | GeneralAntilles, ping | 23:49 |
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| lcuk | jamiebennett, that doesnt answer my question lol | 23:51 |
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| jamiebennett | lcuk: I need to satisfy the dependencies before I can install it in scratchbox :P (and get a developer device before it see's proper hardware) | 23:52 |
| zakkm | jamiebennett: care to show the build log that failed, i might be able to have some insight why it might have | 23:53 |
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| lcuk | jamiebennett, ahhh yeah it wont even try to run on this device | 23:53 |
| qwerty12_N800 | jamiebennett: newer debhelper was uploaded one but it broke every build sent :p | 23:53 |
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| qwerty12_N800 | *once | 23:53 |
| jamiebennett | [sbox-FREMANTLE_ARMEL: ~/debhelper] > vi dh_auto_ | 23:54 |
| jamiebennett | dh_auto_build dh_auto_clean dh_auto_install | 23:54 |
| jamiebennett | dh_auto_build~ dh_auto_configure dh_auto_test | 23:54 |
| jamiebennett | [sbox-FREMANTLE_ARMEL: ~/debhelper] > vi dh_auto_clean | 23:54 |
| jamiebennett | [sbox-FREMANTLE_ARMEL: ~/debhelper] > vi dh_auto_ | 23:54 |
| jamiebennett | dh_auto_build dh_auto_clean dh_auto_configure dh_auto_test | 23:54 |
| jamiebennett | dh_auto_build~ dh_auto_clean~ dh_auto_install | 23:54 |
| jamiebennett | [sbox-FREMANTLE_ARMEL: ~/debhelper] > vi dh_auto_configure | 23:54 |
| jamiebennett | [sbox-FREMANTLE_ARMEL: ~/debhelper] > vi dh_auto_install | 23:54 |
| zakkm | ... | 23:54 |
| jamiebennett | [sbox-FREMANTLE_ARMEL: ~/debhelper] > dpkg-buildpackage -rfakeroot -sa -S -i | 23:54 |
| lcuk | .... | 23:54 |
| jamiebennett | dpkg-buildpackage: source package is debhelper | 23:54 |
| lcuk | STOP | 23:54 |
| jamiebennett | dpkg-buildpackage: source version is 7.2.14 | 23:54 |
| jamiebennett | dpkg-buildpackage: source changed by Joey Hess <joeyh@debian.org> | 23:54 |
| jamiebennett | dpkg-buildpackage: source version without epoch 7.2.14 | 23:54 |
| qwerty12_N800 | ~pastebin | 23:54 |
| jamiebennett | fakeroot debian/rules clean | 23:54 |
| infobot | [~pastebin] A "pastebin" is a web-based service where you can paste anything over 3 lines without flooding the channel. Here are links to a few : http://www.pastebin.com , http://pastebin.ca , http://channels.debian.net/paste , http://paste.lisp.org , http://www.rafb.net/paste | 23:54 |
| qwerty12_N800 | ~pastebin | 23:54 |
| qwerty12_N800 | ~pastebin | 23:54 |
| VDVsx | pastebin :P | 23:54 |
| jamiebennett | ./run dh clean | 23:54 |
| jamiebennett | Unknown option: w | 23:54 |
| qwerty12_N800 | ~pastebin | 23:54 |
| jamiebennett | dh: unknown option; aborting | 23:54 |
| zakkm | jamie, quit channel | 23:54 |
| jamiebennett | make: *** [clean] Error 1 | 23:54 |
| qwerty12_N800 | ~pastebin | 23:54 |
| jamiebennett | ignore the vi bit :) | 23:54 |
| infobot | [~pastebin] A "pastebin" is a web-based service where you can paste anything over 3 lines without flooding the channel. Here are links to a few : http://www.pastebin.com , http://pastebin.ca , http://channels.debian.net/paste , http://paste.lisp.org , http://www.rafb.net/paste | 23:54 |
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| lcuk | hehehe | 23:54 |
| jamiebennett | :P | 23:54 |
| lcuk | hes gonna get the boot | 23:54 |
| zakkm | omg okay | 23:54 |
| hub | ffs | 23:54 |
| zakkm | not what i meant | 23:54 |
| jamiebennett | hey whats a few lines between friends ;) | 23:55 |
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| lcuk | explain that to the other 275 people over there lol >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> | 23:55 |
| lcuk | 274 | 23:55 |
| jamiebennett | lcuk: its educational ;) | 23:55 |
| lcuk | yeah they now have you on autoignore for 15 minutes :d | 23:56 |
| zakkm | heh | 23:56 |
| jamiebennett | OK OK for the pastebin crowd - http://pastebin.com/m549f0eb1 | 23:56 |
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| jamiebennett | qwery12_N800 so it looks like debhelper is being packaged by someone else at the moment? | 23:58 |
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| qwerty12_N800 | Nope :) | 23:58 |
| jamiebennett | qwerty12_N800: mmm, damn I need it (why me ;)) | 23:59 |
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