IRC log of #maemo for Sunday, 2009-05-31

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GAN800Anybody fix lcuk's tablet?00:05
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stskeepsieback at hotel00:40
qwerty12_N800How did your presentation go?00:43
stskeepsiegreat, i think00:44
qwerty12_N800Good :)00:44
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stskeepsie  , - the T is the mer table00:46
stskeepsiewell, maybe a reverse f..00:47
stskeepsiebottom left, at least00:47
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FirebirdAre the battery percentages(given by pybattery) accurate in anyway? 2.6% is very bad for a li-polymer cell00:58
stskeepsieqwerty12_N800: i have the presentation on video if you want to watch later00:58
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qwerty12_N800stskeepsie: Awesome, gimme a link when I'm on my computer please--dunno if N800 will play properly01:00
mavhcFirebird: probably not, mine stays at 0% for ages before the power goes01:00
Firebirdyeah, because the percentage it shows usually causes damge to the battery01:00
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Xnt_n810~seen b-man1601:02
infobotb-man16 <> was last seen on IRC in channel #maemo, 21h 9s ago, saying: '    -- this guy built a 2mhz cpu by hand using a logic board and hundreds of tranzisters lol lol'.01:02
stskeepsieevening timeless_mbp, where'd you peeps end up? eaten by icecream? ;)01:02
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* stskeepsie is encoding his recorded presentation01:03
hubHi, I don't find on garage where to upload my SSH key01:03
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ShadowJKFirebird, 0% is triggered at around 3.5 volts01:05
ShadowJKshould be safe01:05
ShadowJKlshal | grep battery01:06
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stskeepsiegah.. video encoding01:14
* stskeepsie needs to get a faster laptop01:14
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stskeepsiescary, i actually do sound a bit convincing01:15
stskeepsieeither that or i'm delusional. works too. :P01:16
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andrestskeepsie, tss, still hacking? :-)01:17
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stskeepsieandre: sconk recorded the whole thing so i'm uploading it to blip.tv01:18
andreoh cool01:18
Sconkmost of it01:18
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Nomaif/when here are finnish tablet owners, you might be interested in this:
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Nomaworks at least with the default os2008 browser with javascript on and viewed full screen01:20
andreNoma: what works?01:21
andreto me that looks like a picture01:21
Nomait's a teletext client, you can change the page by clicking the navigation buttons on the right or writing a page number01:22
ShadowJKteletext is still wildly popular in .fi :-)01:22
mavhcdigital killed the teletext star01:23
andrenow i get it01:23
qwerty12_N800it's mainly about digital teletext here01:23
ShadowJKThey managed to kill all digital services before roll-out :-)01:24
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stskeepsielo bacon01:27
baconlo sts where did you end up01:27
stskeepsiebacon: stayed at the bar but that was kinda stupid :P01:27
stskeepsiemy feet are killing me though01:28
baconi thought you came back i am sure i heard david01:28
stskeepsiei came back about an hour ago01:28
baconi got lost!01:28
timeless_mbpsts, have yiu seen ?01:28
baconi want with sampppa01:29
stskeepsietimeless_mbp: yeah actually01:29
baconthen went for water but got completely lost in the backstereet01:29
* timeless_mbp missed all these memes :(01:29
stskeepsiebacon: yeah he was wondering where you were01:30
baconyeah i found the station and got another text from a friend so was rescuedlol01:30
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baconheh sts stop trying to upload mer01:38
baconhey david01:38
stskeepsiesorry, am i ruining the internet for the rest of you? :P01:38
baconyeah lol01:39
JesperHansenstskeepsie: either mxr is slow or you're blowing too much making it not suck enough01:39
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baconshould i charge tablet overnight or my phone01:42
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Nomaboth, just wake up in the middle to change :p01:43
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baconlol noma not an option i have had beer01:44
andrebacon, get a multiplicator at my room :-P01:45
qwerty12_N800bacon: run:  dbus-send --system -- type=signal /com/nokia/bme/signal  :P01:45
baconheh andre i wouldnt hear the alarm on either01:45
baconlol @ qwerty01:46
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rm_youit probably has, you sneaky bastard01:56
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* rm_you wonders if he should poke a bit more at ABL-Hal01:58
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stskeepsieright, - first part of my talk on Mer,
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tank-manofftopic, sony's new "psp go"
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tank-manlooks sexy02:10
stskeepsie'lo b-man1602:10
b-man16hello stskeepsie :)02:10
stskeepsiegah.. finally, last video to upload02:12
stskeepsiethreeparter of the mer presentation02:12
b-man16stskeepsie: i (might) be able to port the fm radio app to mer :)02:12
stskeepsiek, write yourself on the task then02:12
b-man16btw, my /dev/dsptask directory somehow got deleted and now i'm left with no sound :P - is there any way to fix this without reflashing?02:15
baconshould we be sleeping lol02:15
stskeepsieno clue. :P02:15
stskeepsieanyway, "Mer: Maemo Reconstructed" presentation vids:
baconwho videod it02:16
stskeepsieshould add to details02:16
* lbt_ sleeps02:17
* b-man16 wonders if he could ask someone if theay could make a .tar.gz of /dev/dsptask to send to me...02:17
stskeepsieb-man16: udev should really make it02:18
stskeepsieif your udev rules are OK02:18
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stskeepsieb-man16: should watch the vids i posted above :)02:18
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b-man16btw, sweet video :D02:20
b-man16too bad i have no sound lol02:21
stskeepsieah, yeah, that'd ruin it really02:22
stskeepsiego watch slides then, it has what i'm sortof saying :P02:22
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rm_youstskeepsie: when we waking up in the morning? same thing? breakfast and leave the hotel by 9?02:24
stskeepsiei plan to be waking up when i'm having coffe, dunno about you.. :P02:24
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stskeepsiebut yeah02:24
stskeepsiesame plan02:24
stskeepsiei just can't sleep yet, mind too active02:24
stskeepsieso just doing administrativia02:24
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b-man16ah, it looks like pcm* is marked "removable" :P02:27
b-man16but i can't find any further information refering to pcm02:29
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bacononly crazy b-man02:37
b-man16infobot: eat bacon02:39
infobotThat's too disgusting.02:39
baconfeck off02:39
baconi am not edible by males lol02:39
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stskeepsiewho the fuck is trying to use my phone as a modem02:42
* stskeepsie will track the guy down02:43
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stskeepsielo wazd!02:43
b-man16qwerty12? lol02:43
qwerty12_N800stskeepsie: - get "bt info" and see if the guy accepts02:43
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wazdstskeepsie: heya :)02:45
stskeepsiewazd: video of my presentation is up :)02:45
wazdstskeepsie: how was the presentation overall?)02:46
stskeepsiewas good i guess :)02:47
wazdstskeepsie: where can I watch it?)02:47
stskeepsie has the links (3 parts)02:47
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* b-man16 adds stskeeps to his twitter XD02:56
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rapadura_manBobbe ai dentro03:50
Bobberapadura_man, ??03:51
Bobbeinside where?03:51
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mib_e139doI am a newbie.I don't know how to get the code sample though changing sources.list.who can help me,thanks04:40
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mib_e139dowho can give me a location04:41
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Firebirdcode sample?04:42
mib_e139domaemo code sample04:42
CutMeOwnThroatwhat... like.. "GOTO 10"?04:44
mib_e139doi want to use apt to get code sample.04:44
mib_e139dowhat are you mean?04:45
mib_e139doGOTO 10?04:45
CutMeOwnThroatwhat do YOU mean04:45
mib_e139doMy English is not very good04:46
mib_e139doI hope you can help me04:46
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mib_e139doi just want to learn a little04:46
mib_e139dobut i don't know how to begin.04:47
mib_e139doi can't get the code sample.04:47
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Firebirdmib_e139do, I don't think there is a sample code short of hello world in C for hildon gtk04:56
* GAN800 can only hear chair squeaking on the Mer video.04:58
Firebirdmib_e139do, try that04:59
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mib_nyqoh8how to install input method it a file with .db extention name05:38
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mib_nyqoh8In general,the package is  a file with .deb. command 'dpkg -i' can install it,but how to install plugin like hildon input method plugin?05:41
lolopcould someone here --with an env setup for building 770 kernel modules-- build the two modules needed to run compcache (
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mib_nyqoh8how to install input method it a file with .db extention name06:12
Firebirdmib_nyqoh8, where did you get this file?06:13
mib_nyqoh8code samples06:19
mib_nyqoh8after making  'hildon input method plugin',there is a .so file06:19
mib_nyqoh8how to install it06:19
Firebirdsudo make install06:19
mib_nyqoh8it is not .deb file06:19
Firebirdhow did you "make it"06:19
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mib_nyqoh8i use eclipse and can't install06:21
mib_nyqoh8eclipe generates no binery file06:21
mib_nyqoh8The binary produced by gcc should be installed to path specified in hildon-control-panel pkg-config entry. This path can be obtained with pkg-config hildon-control-panel --variable=pluginlibdir. By default this is /usr/lib/hildon-control-panel.06:22
mib_nyqoh8what does it mean?06:23
mib_nyqoh8i can't understand clearly06:23
FirebirdI think it already installed itself06:23
mib_nyqoh8[sbox-CHINOOK_X86: ~] > gcc -shared `pkg-config gtk+-2.0 libosso --libs --cflags` applet.c -o libapplet.so06:23
mib_nyqoh8maybe i can't see it06:24
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hubweird, I have bugs on the device I can't reproduce in QEMU :-(06:28
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hubbtw how do you guys input text in the SDK with the keyboard when apparently the input-method just eat "return"06:32
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reimorhey, how can I compile Openmotif for maemo os2008 ?06:58
hubwith the sdk06:58
reimorthere's a tutorial?06:59
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reimorthanks, is it hard?07:03
reimori only need to port an existent linux aplication to maemo...07:04
hublinux application and openmotif already are not very much compatible in the same sentence07:05
stskeepsiewow, these hotel rooms only have power enabled in the plugs if light is on .. O-o07:05
hubstskeepsie: like in most power saving aware hotels in europe I have stayed at in recent years07:06
reimorthe application i need to run in maemo is called ftool, it uses openmotif lib...07:06
stskeepsiehub: bloody irritating if you want to charge tablets overnight07:06
reimorhub, can you help me?07:07
hubstskeepsie: the one I have seen required to use the keycard as a master switch07:07
hubstskeepsie: so it is when you were not in the room that it didn't work07:08
hubreimor: how do you want me to do that?07:08
stskeepsiehub: yeah that part is fine07:08
stskeepsiehub: but mine doesn't act liek that07:08
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stskeepsieGAN800: yeah, you need to amplify it :/07:09
reimorhub: would I need change any part of the code or its all about a command-line for compile?07:09
hubreimor: that I can't answer. I don't have enough information07:10
reimorhub, what is scratchbox?07:12
hubthe build environment to cross compile and everything07:12
hubthe documentation explain all of this07:12
luke-jrhub: all that does is encourage people to get 2 cards, and leave lights on07:12
reimorhub: can I install this on a vmware virtual machine?07:13
hubluke-jr: talking to the wrong person07:13
hubreimor: it is hosted on Linux07:13
luke-jr[23:07:53] <hub> stskeepsie: the one I have seen required to use the keycard as a master switch07:13
hubreimor: so unless you workstation does not run Linux already, you don't need a virtual machine07:13
hubluke-jr: and>07:13
reimorhub: my workstation is windows vista...07:14
hubluke-jr: again, talking to the wrong person.07:14
hubluke-jr: the hotel-desk is probably more appropriate07:14
luke-jrhub: I've never been in such an insane hotel07:14
reimorhub: will I need to conect n800 with linux? or can I send binaries via e-mail?07:14
hubreimor: it is explained in the documentation07:15
* luke-jr wonders why anyone still runs Windows07:15
hubluke-jr: people love drugs07:15
luke-jranyhow, night07:17
hubluke-jr: it is like using Motif today07:19
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reimorhub: can you try to compile it for me?07:22
hubreimor: I'm available for hire if that's what you want to ask me07:23
reimorhub: its not... i have no money ^^07:23
hubneither have I07:24
reimorhub: i'm from brazil, no one here has money07:24
hubI'm unemployed for several month07:24
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reimorI'm trying to be a engineer (@university)... ftool is a app for structural i'm trying to put this on n800 to use it @tests...07:26
reimorbut i havent a distro installed...07:27
reimorwhich is better: multiboot or virtual machine for use maemo sdk?07:28
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huband from what I can gather, there is no source code for ftool07:32
hubso you are out of luck07:33
reimori'm screwed...07:34
reimorand what about Wine for maemo?07:34
hubwine is not an emulator07:35
hubN800 = ARM07:35
hubWindows = X8607:35
reimorany idea?07:35
hubuse something that is supported by the developer of the program07:36
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reimoris possible to install windows @ n800 ?07:39
reimorinside something like dosbox07:39
hubagain, as I said07:40
hubnot the same architecture07:40
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reimorbut dosbox emulate i386 inside armel, or not?07:41
hubwhy do you want that on a N800?07:42
hubwhy not using a real PC instead07:42
reimori need this in class, cant use a laptop07:44
hubif you can't use a laptop that means you don't need it07:45
hubdon't you think?07:45
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mib_rqas1xset /apps/osso/inputmethod/input_method_plugin GConf to himExample_vkb so that it will be loaded by the UI. what does it mean?08:33
mib_rqas1xabout input method.08:34
mib_rqas1xanybody here can help me?08:34
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timeless_mbpwhen's checkout?08:40
rm_you|showerno idea? >_>08:41
rm_you|showerwish i knew08:41
Stskeeps_10 probably08:43
mib_rqas1xmaybe i find something
timeless_mbpare people going from the conf to the airport or back via the hotel?08:44
Stskeeps_i'm not returning to the hotel personally08:44
Stskeeps_but then again i'm going by train later today :P08:45
rm_you|showeryeah when is everyone leaving?08:45
rm_you|showergotta be an hour or two early for flights, right?08:46
rm_you|showerso is everyone's flight at like 10pm?08:46
rm_you|showeror will people be leaving at like 2?08:46
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Stskeeps_think it ranges08:46
Stskeeps_and yeah, you have to be there before check in closes :P08:46
rm_youwell, i'm thinking about breakfast...08:47
rm_youanyone else?08:47
RST38hrm_you  <== evidently done with the semester =]08:47
rm_youRST38h: lol? yes08:47
Stskeeps_he's busy hacking away like the rest of us (except me, who is putting up a bad example with having a lot of meetings :P)08:48
rm_youjohnx not awake yet?08:49
rm_youhe said he'd be on irc08:49
rm_youima knock08:49
Stskeeps_breakfast at 8.30?08:49
* RST38h isn't hacking much nowadays08:49
RST38hstill need to figure out what goes on with ti73, etc08:50
* Stskeeps_ glances at the weird hotel room coffee08:52
rm_youstarts at 7:30?08:53
rm_youprolly go grab it at 808:53
rm_youthen come back and check out, then head to conf08:53
rm_youmaybe hack some at the table :P08:54
Stskeeps_starts at 6.30 yeah08:54
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timeless_mbpoh wait a second08:56
timeless_mbpwhat time zone am i in?08:56
timeless_mbpthis mac thought it was in HEL08:56
rm_youstarts at7:30 on weekends08:56
rm_youlol timeless08:57
rm_youit is like 8:00 now i think?08:57
rm_youi'm going to go to breakfast, will see anyone else there eventually08:57
Stskeeps_i gotta shower and such first :P08:57
timeless_mbpStskeeps_: i think i'll follow your plan08:58
timeless_mbpbut i want to catch up on a bit of mail first (wakeup, shower, eat, pack, travel)?08:58
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* Stskeeps_ is really enjoying his subscription when he's away from home.09:01
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Stskeeps_also, whoever has their tablet locating my phone for internet should die. i had to turn my BT off F:P09:04
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rm_youhrm, i hope they refill the meat trays...09:07
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Stskeeps_say when they refill and i'll come down09:11
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Stskeeps_... why do i have two mozilla/maemo developer weekend tshirts09:13
Stskeeps_i guess they must have been glued together when i took one :P09:14
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timeless_mbpStskeeps_: heh (re BT)09:22
Stskeeps_rm_you: meat refilled yet? ;)09:25
rm_youdunno, minute09:26
timeless_mbp don't suppose they have bananas?09:26
radicwhy is my N800 rebooting...?09:29
Stskeeps_radic: you wrote "reboot" in a console09:30
radicStskeeps_: no, I pluged in the charger09:30
radicI dosn't changed anything the last few days, now It's rebooting...09:32
radicI startet it and now it halted and starts again...09:32
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radicStskeeps_: how can I enable the logging to /var/log/ messages, syslog and dmesg?09:39
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stskeepsieinstall sysklogd09:43
stskeepsiemm breakfast09:43
baconneed coffee09:44
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timeless_mbpooh, i can see the breakfast at the end of my bugmail09:48
radicbacon: Why coffee? beer ftw!09:49
baconheh radic, not a bad idea09:49
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baconbut beer doesnt taste nice with milk n sugar09:50
radicbacon: you trink your beer withe milk and sugar?09:51
baconyes radic09:57
baconnormally hot too09:57
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timeless_mbpanyone still around for a late breakfast?10:10
stskeepsiewe're still here10:14
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timeless_mbpok, coming10:20
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stskeepsiewb qwerty1210:24
qwerty12Thank you10:24
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usicowI'm trying to run a python script on my n810, and I'm sure there's an error in there but when I run it, it just drops to the next line without showing any output.. can anyone help me work out whats wrong?10:31
usicowThe file is:10:31
usicow-rw-------    1 user     root          879 May 31 09:28 wake.py10:31
qwerty12Do you have python-launcher installed?10:31
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usicowI'll install that now10:32
qwerty12No, don't bother10:32
usicowdamn :)10:32
usicowits already started10:32
qwerty12it supresses output (well, prints it to a root terminal instead >.<) if you have it running :P10:32
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usicowok.. I'll just uninstall it.. and am I right in running it by just sudo ./
qwerty12If you've installed it, just run the program with "sudo python2.5 ./" - bypasses the launcher10:34
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qwerty12mikkov_: ping :)10:36
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usicowstrange.. I've made a new file with just 2 lines in it:10:36
usicow#! /usr/bin/python10:36
usicowprint "Hello World"10:36
usicowand then I try to run it via:10:36
usicowsudo python2.5 ./helloworld.py10:36
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usicowand I get no output10:36
qwerty12Oh, you do have python-launcher installed probably.10:37
qwerty12Change python to python2.5 and see if that works10:37
usicowstill no good.. very strange..10:38
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usicowhmm even this just drops me to the next line:10:40
usicowsudo apt-get install python2.5-runtime10:40
usicowand if I do sudo ls -la I get10:40
usicowroot is not in the sudoers file.  This incident will be reported.10:40
usicowi got it.. thanks for your help qwerty1210:44
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timeless_mbpanyone still @hotel?11:01
* doc|home @home11:02
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stskeepsiemorning !11:40
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radicstskeepsie: I pluged in an another charger11:45
radicnow is displayed on the bootscreen "Rescuing software update" in red11:45
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radicdamen fuck....11:50
radicwhy is my device rebooting after few minutes?11:50
andre__jeremiah_, around (physically)?11:52
* timeless_mbp is @maemo-copenhagen11:55
mikkov_qwerty12: hi11:56
qwerty12mikkov_: hey, I was just wondering, isn't it easier to chown (for game data files that are installed to memory card) *after* dh_fixperms rather than excluding the folder? :P :)11:56
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mikkov_I don't know, but I don't see there any difference either :)12:00
qwerty12Yeah, when I tried it, I had to chmod too which was annoying (games wouldn't start because it "couldn't find" the files) :)12:00
qwerty12I'm just wondering if it'd be faster to chown afterwards, I'll have to try it out sometime12:01
EdLinwhat kind of SD card(s) does the N800 use?12:01
qwerty12And thanks again for your memory card stuff12:01
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qwerty12EdLin: Full SD12:02
qwerty12MiniSD with adapter12:02
EdLinqwerty12: SDHC or just SD?12:02
qwerty12EdLin: SDHC, I'm using an 8GB right now12:02
thopiekarhi all12:03
EdLinqwerty12: I'm thinking of getting an N800 from ebay rather than a new n810. Thoughts?12:03
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EdLinthopiekar: hi12:04
qwerty12EdLin: Sounds OK, the screen on the N810 is a lot better in sunlight (the N800 one is unusable in sunlight) and if you don't need a keyboard, then N800 sounds perfect12:05
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EdLinyeah, I can get an n800 for under $150 on ebay. I'm thinking about it.12:05
EdLinebay prices for n810 are near the cost of a new one now.12:05
EdLinI do have a need for using it in sunlight....12:06
EdLinnot always, but sometimes12:06
JesperHansenonly $150? Sounds like you'll receive an empty box12:06
EdLinJesperHansen: several offers are less than $150.12:06
EdLinunless everyone's trying to gyp me. ;-)12:07
JesperHansenMore empty boxes!12:07
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EdLinis eBay really that bad? :)12:07
* thux in direct sunlight with n800 :P12:07
qwerty12EdLin: I'm not going to lie to you, the N800 screen is unusable in sunlight :P. With brightness on max, you can just about make out the screen and that's if you squint :P12:07
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EdLinqwerty12: what's keyboard input like with one without a keyboard?12:08
EdLinqwerty12: is it possible to do light IRC with one, for example? how about typing a web address? I already have a smartphone with a lousy screen but usable keyboard, so I don't need email typing much.12:10
thuxi liked touchscreen used to it with ipaq12:10
EdLinI have a Palm TX.12:10
qwerty12EdLin: I do IRC with mine using the stylus keyboard :)12:10
MyrttiI've got longer fingernails in my thumbs to use irssi with12:11
EdLinqwerty12: are you doing that now? :)12:11
Myrttistylus nails ♥12:11
qwerty12EdLin: no :)12:11
qwerty12Myrtti: XChat FTW :P (Although, I'm using mIRC with NNScript right now >.<)12:11
Myrttiand I especially wanted N800 for not having the keyboard :-D12:11
EdLinso the main drawback with the N800 is dim screen, any other drawbacks?12:12
* Myrtti is the odd one out, in more than one way12:12
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qwerty12EdLin: you don't get a multicoloured LED like the N810 has :P12:12
thuxi use remote irssi with n80012:13
EdLinOK, I'll have to think it over. Being able to save $75 or so is mighty tempting.12:13
qwerty12You don't get a built in GPS either, like the N810, but I'm not sure if that's a disadvantage...12:13
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qwerty12*like you do with the N81012:13
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MyrttiI'd suspect a separate gps is a bit more useful than the inbuilt one, but I wouldn't know?12:15
EdLinstill, a lot of the bids on ebay are for even less than $125.12:15
cosmothe 810 gps is bad but usable12:16
Myrttiabout the same then than in my N95 :-)12:16
cosmoit takes minutes to get a fix but after that it works well enough for navigation12:16
cosmoand and most people don't want to carry a bt gps in pocket "just in case"12:17
thuxdoes n810 have agps?12:17
EdLincosmo: yeah, I'll already have two devices with the nit and the smartphone. More is too much.12:17
qwerty12thux: yep12:18
EdLinthough I'll have a kindle 1 sometimes with me in my backpack....12:18
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EdLinspeaking of which, what are ebooks like on the NIT?12:18
EdLindoes it support epub? mobi? pdf?12:19
stskeepsielook at fbreader page12:19
qwerty12PDF is supported by the xpdf based pdf viewer that comes with the device and the poppler based Evince which is installable from the application manager after enabling Extras12:20
qwerty12But yeah, see what formats FBReader supports for the rest :/12:20
EdLinoh, cool, fbreader supports epub and might be able to read my non-stand-alone palm pilot ebooks too. (The stand-alone ones might work with the Garnet VM, yes?)12:21
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qwerty12I think so, there was a method discovered that lets you access your memory cards through Garnet VM12:22
EdLinqwerty12: does that work well?12:22
rm_youqwerty12: is there a nice kernel packaged up with rotation and mmc and all the patches I need ? :P12:23
qwerty12EdLin: I can see the files on my memory card and manupulate them, but I've never used Garnet VM for long enough to have ever installed a book reader. should have some experiences with Garnet VM12:23
qwerty12rm_you: Bleh, use the Mer kernel, no 48MHz SD card speed but stable and featureful :P12:24
qwerty12Awesome, Flashgot supports
* qwerty12 downloads stskeepsie's presentation :)12:25
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* thopiekar updated streamripper12:42
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rmt for my image viewer (and first debanized maemo software)12:45
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rmtI use ImageMagick to resize and rotate images so they fit the screen well.12:46
stskeepsieqwerty12: it's on there in ogv too i think12:51
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qwerty12I have to install some plugin or something, can't be arsed :)12:51
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rm_you|qwerty12: hints on installing the Mer kernel in ITOS/13:00
qwerty12The last image I done was here: (I dunno if Mer people added other patches etc)13:02
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qwerty12Untar, become root, fiasco-flasher -f -k <path to zImage>, reboot13:02
qwerty12It's not tied to Mer, it works fine with Maemo, it's just called that because I gathered up patches for Mer13:02
stskeepsiei actually cleaned up and put it in a kernel source13:03
stskeepsieso it's built automatically now :)13:03
qwerty12Using quilt? :) Either way, that's awesome :)13:03
stskeepsienot directly ;)13:03
stskeepsieit will be cleaned up for it13:03
qwerty12Heh, where is the package?13:04
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rm_you|hrm, hope this boots :P13:08
qwerty12if (user == "rm_you") blow_up_and_die();13:08
rm_you|doesn't look like it is booting >_<13:09
qwerty12Oh shit, wrong one13:09
qwerty12near a linux computer?13:09
qwerty12Flash this one with flasher-3.0 :P >.<:
qwerty12untar, run flasher-3.0 -f -k <path to zImage> and hold home and connect up N80013:10
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rm_you|does it reboot automatically?13:11
rm_you|ah bootmenu back :P13:11
qwerty12Shove -R on the end of your flasher-3.0 command line if you want it to reboot when it's finished flashing13:11
rm_you|good to know you can fix breaking the kernel from an unbootable state :P13:12
qwerty12Oh fuck, aptitiude compiled for Maemo using cs2007 toolchain13:12
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zaynyatyihi to all13:42
zaynyatyidoes anyone have luck running maemo5 beta on opensuse milestone 11.2?13:43
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andre__zaynyatyi, posting the concrete issues you have (e.g. errors) to might help13:49
andre__but it's known that it's only tested on debian and ubuntu. you will likely have problems with fedora or suse...13:50
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Nomawhat's the easiest way to test android on n810?13:53
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kkrustydoes it have to save the password as plaintext?13:58
keesjNoma: there was an installer for android at one point13:58
Nomai think that was quite old release?13:59
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Nomahow about the harder way, does it need some "guru skills" to install and uninstall?14:00
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thopiekarhave you thought about enabling copiz-effects on tablets by ecomorph of e17?14:00
qwerty12Noma: has instructions as well as being the home of the most fullfeatured port14:01
Meizirkkithopiekar: ecomorph will not work with Xomap14:01
thopiekarMeizirkki: :|14:02
Meizirkkithopiekar: but in Mer.. you can test if it works14:02
Meizirkkimer has software acceleration14:02
Meizirkkireally slow14:03
Meizirkkibut it's supported14:03
Meizirkki800x480 3D game is 2fps14:03
thopiekar... like maemo..14:03
keesjsoftware acceleration is something that makes the hardware go faster14:03
thopiekarthink about the youtube vids about the playstation1 emu in maemo..14:04
Meizirkkithopiekar: Xomap is faster that Xorg atm. but Xorg has OpenGL support :P14:05
Meizirkkivia sw accel14:05
Meizirkkigames like bzflag will not even start if using Xomap14:05
thopiekar:| the damn thing a need for mixxx on maemo (tabletDJ)..14:05
keesjCopenhagen is pretty cool14:05
derfDid you go see the mermaid?14:06
thopiekarI hate it that nokia hasn't managed to enable opengl on tablets..14:06
keesjderf: nope , I did see Mer14:06
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derfGood enough.14:06
keesjAlso saw/touched some next gen development units:p14:07
keesjthey are black. and pretty close to what I expected14:10
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jeremiah_Thanks Pavlov!14:13
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keesjIn an update that was posted a month after the initial discussion, Chrome developer Evan Martin described the Linux port as a "511MB executable that brings up an empty window.14:15
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andre__jeremiah_, ping (again), wherever you are :)14:41
marcell_andre__: he is up here in the 5th floor14:43
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andre__ah :)14:44
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t_s_oheh, another pim suite...14:46
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jeremiah_Okay - I think we are going to do lightning talks now maemians14:54
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timeless_mbpis the wireless here mostly dead? :(15:07
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X-FadeYeah, not great :(15:10
Pavlovnot great at all heh15:10
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kkrustyhow do you show the on-screen keyboard manually?15:21
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lbtok, so where's the wiji page for the coding competition?15:36
lbtand who tooj my j jey15:36
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X-FadeSo, running these apps on the fremantle device really gives you a nice impression :)16:34
X-FadeNumptyphysics just flies!16:34
jeremiah_To be honest, I am pretty impressed with the new device.16:35
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rm_youi wonder if i posted in time on the developer contest page :P16:36
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rm_youMyrtti: lol yeah, it is pretty cool :)16:36
rm_youMyrtti: could maybe actually port one of the needlessly 3d knitting apps :P16:37
X-FadeI really like the cripness of the screen.16:37
X-FadeThe touch part is also a lot more accurate than the previous devices had.16:37
* Myrtti goes to some other channel, since not feeling very amiable today16:38
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X-FadeTyping on the keyboard also is easier than on N810. Even though the keys are a bit smaller.16:40
stskeepsieto be accurate, this isn't the new device, it's a development board, keep this in mind.16:41
rm_youyeah... dunno how the real keyboard will be... no one will even confirm that it HAS one16:41
X-Fadestskeepsie: It only means that the actual device will be even better :)16:42
rm_youpretty sure it will tho... "unofficial info" says it will... but dunno if it will even be similar16:42
X-Faderm_you: the developer device should be feature complete.16:42
stskeepsiewell it's a platform developer device, which makes sense16:42
X-FadeNo use testing a keybord when there will not be one in the end ;)16:42
rm_youi heard some *interesting* things on the keyboard topic...16:42
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jeremiah_I thought the keyboard worked really well16:43
rm_youX-Fade: not testing the keyboard, using the keyboard for testing :P16:43
X-FadeAnd the cursor keys placed on the right helped too :D16:43
rm_youlol yeah... that's what i've heard bad things about16:43
stskeepsieesdx ftw16:44
jeremiah_Built in bacon aroma is a plus too.16:44
X-Fadestskeepsie: for lefties :)16:44
X-Fadejeremiah_: That was just because lcuk had your device first :)16:44
jeremiah_timeless_mbp: This is a Mozmae conference, not an Apple conference! :)16:45
* Myrtti wants built-in falafel aroma16:45
X-FadeMyrtti: That will cost you extra..16:46
X-Fade1 buy device, buy falafel -> mix :)16:46
* Myrtti looks at jeremiah_ disgusted, bacon aroma, bah.16:46
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rm_youlike that not every localization of the keyboard will have all of the arrow keys O_o16:48
rm_youthat would be... interesting.16:48
stskeepsiekeyboard remap16:49
X-Faderm_you: That doesn't sound right?16:49
X-Faderm_you: Or even sane? :)16:49
rm_yousane, no, right, supposedly16:49
rm_youwe'll see :P16:50
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luke-jrhmm, Maemo won't boot with USB plugged in17:01
rm_youit probably thinks you want to flash it or something <_<17:02
Pustelnikscrobbling to lastfm in YouAmp doesn't work generaly or it's only me?17:03
kkrustylol: googled "howto canola plugin" got "how to make condoms with canola oil"17:09
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* GAN800 yawns loudly.17:18
rm_yousup gan17:18
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stskeepsielo GAN800117:19
GAN800Too lazy to get out of bed and thankful for tablets.17:19
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andre__bye copenhagen :)17:31
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thuxtimeless_mbp: you have relocated from hel(l)17:54
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Macerhm. son is still passed out18:01
* Macer should get a few more minutes of sleep before he wakes up 18:02
stskeepsiesome stuff to take home from the maemo developer weekend (be civil!):
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Macerthere was a maemo developer weekend?18:05
Macerwas it sponsered by nokia or something?18:05
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stskeepsiemozilla/maemo (& mer)18:06
stskeepsie& fennec18:06
ShadowJKdid you get to try fennec on their development board?18:06
stskeepsieyes, it's in the post, read it18:06
johnxhey qwerty12 :)18:07
Macerhow many people were there?18:07
qwerty12hi johnx, how's it going? :)18:07
johnxpretty good :)18:07
qwerty12awesome :)18:07
johnxand you?18:08
* ShadowJK clicks reload frantically until a post appears18:08
qwerty12johnx: Yeah, I'm all good, just endlessly browsing Talk :P18:08
johnxheh, I've mostly been inactive in talk. it was cutting down on my mer time18:09
ShadowJKhey did anyone notice minimalistic theme has gigantic fonts now? :/18:09
* ShadowJK finds himself browsing with the regular theme now because it fits more text per page even with the big sidebar thing18:09
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rmt - now added zipview.18:15
rmt(Like Comix or cbrviewer, but only for libarchive supported formats)18:15
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GAN8001johnx, [URL=""][/URL] ;)18:20
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GAN8001johnx, s/It is not now or ever will be/It is not now, nor will it ever be/18:22
X-FadeGAN8001 missed all the action.. again..18:22
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johnxGAN8001: kthx. Just be glad I didn't call it Freeeeemantle :>18:22
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GAN8001johnx, copy editing is what I do. :P18:23
X-Fadejohnx: Seen that one pop up of a few slides yesterday :)18:23
infobotX-Fade meant: johnx: Seen that one pop up on a few slides yesterday :)18:23
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keesjdrinking beer and thinking about the summit18:53
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lbtdrinking sprite and laughing at timeless18:55
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lbtwho looked at his watch and said "my flight leaves in an hour".... and then left rather quickly asking for the Danish word for "cab"18:56
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timelysSo, i cleared security and am buying souveniess19:20
StsN800woo, congrats19:21
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timelysIhave a gate too but have one more thing to do :-(19:27
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StsN800lo lardman! ceremony went well?19:33
lardmanyes thanks19:33
lardmanall went without a hitch, and the weather was lovely and sunny too :)19:33
kkrustyI cant find pycurl in pymaemo19:34
lardmanYou still at the Danish weekend?19:34
StsN800congrats! now go see johnx's talk post if you didn't already :>19:34
StsN800on way home19:34
lardmanok, will check my backlog of emails/Talk/etc19:34
lardmanWas it good?19:35
lardmangreat :), sorry I couldn't make it19:35
qwerty12lardman: congratulations!19:35
StsN800you'll know partly why when you see the post19:35
kkrustyany pymaemo developers here?19:35
lardmanStsN800: cool, ok19:36
lardmanfrom the thread titles it looks like lot's happened in my absence19:37
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GAN8001lardman, yeah, congrats, lardman.19:38
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lardmanthanks Ryan19:38
lardmanStsN800: reading now19:39
timelysI found the :-):-( gag okico19:41
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GAN8001Damn alcohol-free mouthwash ruined my taste buds.19:45
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GAN8001Salt tastes sweet. . . .19:46
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Guest2733_659anyone know how i can see how much time an application be dowloaded from extra repo?20:03
StsN800how many times it was dl'ed ?20:04
* rmt yawns.20:05
StsN800not sure. i know downloads has it20:05
StsN800lo rmt20:05
Guest2733_659yes i know...20:05
Guest2733_659i try to find a way to know how mucl click but from extra only20:05
Guest2733_659any stats page?   or others?20:06
Guest2733_659ok so this counter on this page incluse extra click too?20:06
GAN800Not much point in going to the food fest tonight if I can't taste salt. . . . :(20:06
GAN800It's downloads from the repo.20:06
Guest2733_659so this counter include click on and install from repo too?20:07
fnordianslipGAN800: could try MSG + salt20:07
Guest2733_659i need to confirm that  iam not shure about this one20:07
GAN800Tried straight salt. Tasted sweet.20:08
GAN800Clicks from ARE downloads from the repo.20:09
fnordiansliphows the sugar taste?20:09
Guest2733_659ok ok cool20:09
Guest2733_659tx to this nice info20:09
Guest2733_659in fact20:09
Guest2733_659my application just be uploaded to extra last nite...but before...i got a 50 clicks allready....20:10
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Guest2733_659so its confuse about if its really all click whith click include from extra20:10
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StsN800what app?20:12
mikkov_download numbers from repository are synced to d.m.o counters about once a week20:12
Guest2733_659nice rspond here mikkov20:13
Guest2733_659that what i supposed20:13
Guest2733_659Sts :  its my Borg theme20:13
Guest2733_659very humbly20:14
StsN800many tablet owners are star trek fans..20:14
Guest2733_659that why i build a borg one20:14
Guest2733_659sounds and startup appli come soon to complete20:15
StsN800hehe neat20:15
Guest2733_659try it and let me know on the what you think about it20:15
Guest2733_659its already in extra under hildon-borg-theme20:15
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sin18is anyone else still having issues with google street maps repository (on maemo mapper - diablo) ?20:39
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GeneralAntillesHa, qwerty12_N800, is that a real mug? :P21:14
qwerty12_N800GeneralAntilles: yes :P21:14
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GeneralAntillesNow lardman has a picture to track you down with. :P21:23
rm_youoh, pic of qwerty? :P21:24
rm_youjust checked in to our hostel21:24
StsN800lotsa girls?21:24
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StsN800GeneralAntilles, no beagle included, but it is a rough birds nest of components in a fugly box;)21:26
rm_youStsN800: actually yes lol21:28
StsN800so it has all stuff you'd expect a m5 device to have21:28
rm_youStsN800: like, a ton. srsly. ><21:30
StsN800rm_you, party time21:30
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iphandsdoes anyone here have a build environment already setup for the nokia 77021:30
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JesperHansenrm_you: actually more girls than boys, right?21:32
rm_youlike 2x21:32
StsN800rm_you, there's a reason why i recommended it;)21:33
JesperHansenrm_you: which hostel?21:33
rm_younow i understand what the heaven part actually meant :P21:34
JesperHansenrm_you: ah, I slept there for 1 night21:34
JesperHansenMoved to Cabinn since I didn't get enough sleep for turning up to the conference21:34
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lardmanJesperHansen: that sounds promising21:35
StsN800cos of the girls? ;)21:35
lardmanor am I reading far too much into it? ;)21:35
rm_youMyrtti: i'm just joking around, guess it is a bit sexist >_>21:36
JesperHansenAnd some drunk guy stood up in the middle of the night and started peeing on some random girls bed that thankfully wasn't there that night. After like 30 minutes he still stood there in front of the bed with his pants down21:36
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JesperHansenSucked I didn't have a camera21:36
JesperHansenGirls = Quiet21:37
JesperHansen3 guys = noisy21:37
StsN800after being surrounded with mostly male nerds for a weekend its perfectly fine21:37
Myrttiyesterday I just witnessed a discussion about an article about "Ubuntu Love Fest" - "so were there pictures of Ubuntu Women?".21:37
Myrttiyou're not getting me to laugh here, fellers21:37
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JesperHansenDid the girls at the conference do something nerdy or did they only sit and drink coffee and tea when I was paying attention? :P21:39
rm_yousorry Myrtti :(21:39
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lardmanmy apologies too21:40
JesperHansenStsN800: did you catch the Intercity Lyn to Aarhus?21:40
* lardman is probably still drunk21:40
* StsN800 is looking forward to seeing his fiancee again21:41
* lardman doesn't have one anymore :)21:41
StsN800JesperHansen, yeah. delayed like hell21:41
lardmanswapped for a wife21:41
StsN800JesperHansen, where ya at?21:42
StsN800we crossed odense recently21:42
StsN800lillebælt now21:42
GuySofthey, is there a way to tell the package manager to lock a version of an application? it keeps trying to download maemo-recorder and failing21:42
JesperHansenStsN800: just before ODense21:43
qwerty12_N800GuySoft: google "debian pinning"21:43
JesperHansenStsN800: Couldn't take the Lyn, as it didn't further than Aarhus.21:43
GuySoftqwerty12_N800, thanks, i thought it will only work on apt.. not the gui21:43
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StsN800lo john21:44
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StsN800payday, remember21:45
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JesperHansenhah, On the radio "We've caught up alot with our delay and are now only 20minutes delayed" and a laugh emerges from the train as we were 21 minutes delayed from cph.21:47
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leandroalI'm trying to install scratchbox by running the script provided by The Linux installation is amd64, so I'm getting the message "E: Currently Scratcbox can only run in 32 bit i386 architecture." when I run the scratchbox installation script. Is there any workaround to have scratchbox running in a amd64 machine?22:15
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qwerty12_N800leandroal: may possibly be of help to you22:18
leandroalqwerty12_N800, thank you!22:20
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leandroalqwerty12_N800, it seems it is working... It is now download the scratchbox-core package (tar.gz)22:24
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qwerty12_N800Cool! Being on 32-bit, I avoid this scratchbox annoyance :)22:25
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b-man16~seen xnt1422:47
infobotxnt14 <> was last seen on IRC in channel #maemo, 2d 19h 49m 26s ago, saying: '22 hours :p'.22:47
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lardmannight all23:13
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JesperHansenstskeepsie: You wouldn't know of a modern SIM cloning info page?23:27
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stskeepsieno sorry23:32
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