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| stskeepsie | so you made it to the hostel, JesperHansen? :) | 00:45 |
| JesperHansen | yea | 00:45 |
| JesperHansen | There are some pretty hot girls here. | 00:45 |
| JesperHansen | How about your hotel? does it come with girls? | 00:45 |
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| stskeepsie | nop | 00:46 |
| stskeepsie | only the one at the counter | 00:46 |
| |R | much more difficult ;) | 00:46 |
| stskeepsie | but yeah, hot girls there probably in your hostel | 00:46 |
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| stskeepsie | i'm engaged though so it's not as fun :P | 00:46 |
| JesperHansen | stskeepsie: "Who will know" :P | 00:46 |
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| stskeepsie | i will, and that's the worst hell. :P | 00:47 |
| * stskeepsie yawns | 00:47 | |
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| JesperHansen | hmm, free wifi here, but forgot to ask for the access code actually | 00:47 |
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| JesperHansen | I think one maemo weekend guy has already gone to sleep here | 00:48 |
| JesperHansen | though I cant recognise anyone in darkness... | 00:48 |
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| bacon | are you in the pub | 00:48 |
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| JesperHansen | Can anyone write some software for facial recognition for my brain? | 00:49 |
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| JesperHansen | Requirement is it must have nightvision | 00:49 |
| qwerty12_N800 | Are you unplugged from the Matrix? | 00:50 |
| bacon | jes who are you | 00:50 |
| bacon | i was there b4 | 00:50 |
| JesperHansen | bacon: where? | 00:50 |
| JesperHansen | I am right in the café | 00:51 |
| bacon | i was before too | 00:51 |
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| bacon | i am in hotel now | 00:51 |
| luke-jr | come play Yandere in #anime ! | 00:52 |
| JesperHansen | bacon: I had a bacon sausage with bread on the way here. There's like the perfect combination of shops on the route to here. | 00:52 |
| bacon | its student land lol | 00:52 |
| JesperHansen | <3 student land | 00:52 |
| bacon | but stskeeps warned us against | 00:52 |
| JesperHansen | And thank God he did. Now I have all the chicks and bacon for myself! | 00:53 |
| bacon | mmm chicks? | 00:53 |
| JesperHansen | Actually considered changing hotel, but this might just make up for the 400kr. in difference | 00:54 |
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| JesperHansen | Too tired to recharge laptop... Must resist sleeping... | 00:55 |
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| bacon | so jasp | 00:55 |
| JesperHansen | Screw it! I'm gonna sleep. See you tomorrow. | 00:55 |
| bacon | are you in student | 00:55 |
| bacon | bye then | 00:55 |
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| maddler | Hello World! | 01:05 |
| Stskeeps_ | 'lo maddler | 01:05 |
| maddler | how's going here? | 01:06 |
| maddler | I've been for quite a long time... :) | 01:06 |
| Stskeeps_ | many of us are in copenhagen :P | 01:07 |
| maddler | hehe :) | 01:07 |
| Stskeeps_ | and bloody tired after a long day | 01:09 |
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| etrunko | X-Fade: booo | 01:17 |
| Pavlov | very tired | 01:17 |
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| Stskeeps_ | indeed | 01:18 |
| Pavlov | trying to finish prep for my talk in the morning | 01:18 |
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| Macer | have to wake up early tomorrow to fly | 01:21 |
| Macer | i hate trips on airplanes | 01:21 |
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| etrunko | talk? | 01:30 |
| etrunko | :. | 01:30 |
| etrunko | :P | 01:30 |
| Pavlov | wlel, really my demo | 01:30 |
| Pavlov | ;p | 01:30 |
| etrunko | Please write down your nicknames on your badges so we can know who is who | 01:31 |
| Pavlov | oh heh yeah | 01:32 |
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| stskeepsie | get some badges ;p | 01:35 |
| stskeepsie | bbl | 01:35 |
| Macer | badges? :) | 01:36 |
| stskeepsie | http://dilbert.com/fast might apply to some discussions about device.. | 01:36 |
| stskeepsie | s | 01:36 |
| Macer | haha | 01:37 |
| Macer | is that the kind of brief you're giving? | 01:37 |
| stskeepsie | nah :) | 01:38 |
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| wazd | stskeepsie: is your Mer presentation tomorrow? | 01:39 |
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| StsN800 | yes | 01:39 |
| StsN800 | in 17 hrs | 01:39 |
| wazd | StsN800: good luck then :) | 01:39 |
| wazd | StsN800: I've done almost all that I could :) | 01:40 |
| Pavlov | heh | 01:40 |
| wazd | StsN800: Can you send me the link to the final view of the slides? maybe I can change something | 01:40 |
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| Macer | ugh | 01:51 |
| Macer | what i would give for the G1 to have the N95's camera | 01:51 |
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| Fuzzybunny | hi | 02:31 |
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| Fuzzybunny | does anyone know where I can find a mac guru to chat with | 02:32 |
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| tank-man | Im looking for a hot female to chat with | 03:21 |
| tank-man | :) | 03:21 |
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| GAN800 | tank-man, you're in the wrong place. :P | 03:25 |
| tank-man | fuzzybunny is too unless his mac question has to do with maemo | 03:25 |
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| Macer | haha | 03:35 |
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| Macer | have to fly to san diego and back tomorrow morn | 03:56 |
| Macer | then back the same day :) talk about a wasted life | 03:56 |
| Macer | someone really needs to work on this transporter thing | 03:56 |
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| amr | ok someone enlighten me | 03:57 |
| amr | i have /media/mmc1 and media/mmc2 | 03:57 |
| amr | internal and external yeah | 03:57 |
| amr | but what is / mounted to? | 03:57 |
| amr | where even | 03:57 |
| amr | and where is my homedir stored? | 03:57 |
| amr | where do apps install to as standard? | 03:57 |
| tank-man | df or /etc/mtab (?) will show what root is mounted from | 03:59 |
| tank-man | home is $HOME or ~ | 04:00 |
| amr | /dev/mtdblock4 | 04:00 |
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| Macer | i finished watching all the ncis seasons | 04:00 |
| Macer | i need something new to watch | 04:00 |
| amr | i was just trying to install 'abuse' and it said there is no room left | 04:00 |
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| amr | and im looking at df now, / is at 98% | 04:01 |
| tank-man | heheh | 04:01 |
| amr | while mmcblk0p1 is at 10% and mmcblk1p1 is at 32% | 04:01 |
| Macer | amr: you can boot from the sd | 04:01 |
| amr | is it necessary? | 04:01 |
| Macer | and use that as / | 04:01 |
| Macer | probably considering you're almost full :) | 04:01 |
| amr | lol | 04:01 |
| amr | much effort involved? | 04:02 |
| tank-man | no | 04:02 |
| Macer | not really. i haven't done it in a while but it isn't too bad | 04:02 |
| b-man16 | http://www.stevechamberlin.com/cpu/category/bmow1/ -- this guy built a 2mhz cpu by hand using a logic board and hundreds of tranzisters lol lol | 04:02 |
| Macer | probably best to use the internal sd to do it .. use an 8G and you're golden | 04:02 |
| amr | the internal, as in the 2gb one? | 04:02 |
| amr | or my actual card i put in | 04:02 |
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| Macer | well. i know on an n800 there's an internal sd under the battery and one on the outside. | 04:03 |
| amr | this is an n810 if it makes any difference | 04:03 |
| Macer | it's probably best to use the internal one | 04:03 |
| Macer | since you rarely take it out | 04:03 |
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| Macer | i'm pretty sure the n810 has both also.. but not positive | 04:03 |
| Macer | never had an n810 | 04:03 |
| amr | not a clue :p | 04:03 |
| Macer | haha | 04:03 |
| amr | things have sure changed since i had my 770 | 04:04 |
| Macer | when i had my n800 i had an 8G internal and another one fr the external | 04:04 |
| Macer | after i got my G1 though.. i stopped using my n800 :) | 04:05 |
| amr | noice | 04:05 |
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| amr | oh, abuse DID install | 04:06 |
| amr | :s | 04:06 |
| amr | oh it just wont run | 04:07 |
| amr | laffo | 04:07 |
| amr | and its 2am... whoops | 04:07 |
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| Macer | have to clear the hd stuff off my pch | 04:07 |
| Macer | lol | 04:07 |
| ShadowJK | / is on the 256MB onenand, /media/mmc2 is the internal 2GB MMC, /media/mmc1 is external SD | 04:08 |
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| amr | ahh | 04:09 |
| amr | thanks | 04:09 |
| amr | ive filled 256 already? | 04:09 |
| amr | whoops | 04:09 |
| ShadowJK | So as a tip, keep all your files on one of the memory cards instead of your home directory :) | 04:10 |
| ShadowJK | And dedicate the tiny 256 to installing software | 04:10 |
| amr | yeah thats quite annoying though | 04:10 |
| amr | how do i access the internal card through the file manager? | 04:10 |
| amr | is it actually there? | 04:10 |
| ShadowJK | in file manager you have "Nokia N810", "Internal memory card", "Removable memory card" | 04:11 |
| amr | ill check now | 04:11 |
| ShadowJK | (and "Bluetooth" and "Shared folders") | 04:11 |
| amr | ah so you do | 04:11 |
| amr | my external memory card isn't named, how annoying | 04:12 |
| ShadowJK | if it's a new N810 you've probably for some user manuals, videos and mp3's inside the N810 tree :) | 04:12 |
| Macer | ShadowJK: cups is like 100MB :) | 04:13 |
| ShadowJK | I imagine it would be if it includes all the printer drivers.. | 04:13 |
| amr | thanks ShadowJK :) | 04:13 |
| Macer | cups on the n800 was great | 04:14 |
| Macer | unfortunately though.. no openoffice port :-\ | 04:14 |
| ShadowJK | I guess you can get that through debian chroot, though ooo is kinda slow even on desktop.. | 04:15 |
| Macer | you could run koffice in kde with it.. but i wanted openoffice with cups support | 04:15 |
| Macer | :) | 04:15 |
| Macer | used to use it on a G3.. it wasn't too bad and that thing is a piece of junk :) | 04:15 |
| Macer | i think the cpu was slower than the n800 | 04:15 |
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| ShadowJK | I actually use gnumeric on desktop too :-) | 04:15 |
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| Macer | haha | 04:16 |
| Macer | i know abiword for maemo didn't have cups support | 04:16 |
| Macer | or printing support at all for that matter | 04:16 |
| Macer | i still wanted the .od* support ... ah well. doesn't matter anymore | 04:17 |
| Macer | i will just patiently wait for androffice :) | 04:17 |
| ShadowJK | I have this feeling quickoffice that came preinstalled on my E75 doesn't support ods :) | 04:17 |
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| Macer | quickoffice supports ms office 07/08 | 04:18 |
| Macer | and rtf too right? | 04:18 |
| Macer | i have it on my n95 | 04:18 |
| Macer | which is another reason i wished my damn n95 would work on tmob 3G | 04:18 |
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| Macer | but it's ok. once androffice comes out it will all be worth it :) | 04:19 |
| Macer | haha | 04:19 |
| Macer | especially since i got hid working on my G1 | 04:20 |
| amr | bed time :) | 04:20 |
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| Macer | so i can use a keyboard with it | 04:20 |
| Macer | sleep is a crutch | 04:20 |
| Macer | piece of crap popcornhour nic | 04:21 |
| Macer | they need to make a model with a gbit nic in it | 04:22 |
| Macer | at least it plays videos well :) | 04:22 |
| Proteous | I would get a popcorn hour if the interface was cool | 04:23 |
| Proteous | and they got rid of the stupid popcorn logo branding | 04:23 |
| Macer | Proteous: it's not that bad | 04:23 |
| Macer | branding? :) | 04:23 |
| Macer | why wouldn't they brand their product? | 04:24 |
| Proteous | I like boxee on my appleTV with the downside of the hardware being too slow for 1080p stuff | 04:24 |
| Proteous | I don't mind branding | 04:24 |
| Proteous | just mind their logo | 04:24 |
| Proteous | lol | 04:24 |
| Macer | well. its h264 decoder can play 1080p stuff without a problem | 04:24 |
| Macer | from my fileserver.. it's great :) | 04:24 |
| Proteous | yeah | 04:24 |
| Proteous | the hardware looks great | 04:25 |
| Macer | it's a little flakey every now and then.. maybe once in a great while it might mess up on me. but for the most part i think it's awesome | 04:25 |
| Proteous | I stream dvds and dled TV from my media server to my appletv | 04:25 |
| Macer | i do the same with my pch | 04:25 |
| Macer | i have an old eva700 upstairs (netgear piece of absolute crap) | 04:26 |
| Macer | i use the pch to stream to it | 04:26 |
| Proteous | lol | 04:26 |
| Macer | i use it so my son can watch cartoons on it :) | 04:26 |
| Macer | children are so spoiled these days.. i remember when watching cartoons was a 3 hour window on tv | 04:26 |
| Macer | now they have 24/7 cartoon channels... dvds... files to download | 04:27 |
| Macer | or you had to wait until saturday when the real good cartoons would come on :) | 04:27 |
| Proteous | yeah | 04:27 |
| Proteous | lol | 04:27 |
| Macer | my son is 3 and he knows there are cartoons somewhere | 04:27 |
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| Macer | if i told him they weren't on to try to trick him he would look at me like i'm stupid | 04:28 |
| Macer | and use the controller to get to them :) he cracks me up sometimes | 04:28 |
| Macer | i need to set up identd.. later | 04:31 |
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| Macer | anybody here set up identd in debian? | 04:43 |
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| Macer | hm. hellanzb seems to be going rather slow on the artigo :) | 05:26 |
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| * rm_you yawns | 05:36 | |
| rm_you | time to be bored for a couple hours while i wait for people to wake up and my computer's battery dies like... now | 05:36 |
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| johnx | morning | 05:54 |
| CutMeOwnThroat | 10pm here | 05:55 |
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| johnx | I'm on UGT | 05:58 |
| z4chh | CutMeOwnThroat, ahhh central timer i see | 05:58 |
| * z4chh glares | 05:58 | |
| wjs_ltop | johnx: I understand that you have Mer running on a Zaurus? | 05:58 |
| johnx | correct | 05:58 |
| wjs_ltop | hows it compare to running on the N8x0? | 05:59 |
| johnx | I need to polish it up a little and integrate it into the new imager before I want to release it though | 05:59 |
| johnx | it's a lot slower | 05:59 |
| wjs_ltop | I have a 3100 | 05:59 |
| johnx | probably about the same speed (or maybe a little faster) than the 770 | 05:59 |
| johnx | but the zaurus has an older generation processor, half the RAM and slower I/O | 05:59 |
| johnx | a 3100 might actually do better than my c1000 | 06:00 |
| johnx | I/O to the internal CF should be faster than I/O to SD | 06:00 |
| zakkm | johnx: hows the danish weekend going? | 06:00 |
| johnx | good good, got in yesterday afternoon and did some site seeing, today it's down to work though :) | 06:01 |
| wjs_ltop | processor's the same though.. But it's a real HD. | 06:01 |
| * johnx makes coffee | 06:01 | |
| wjs_ltop | yes, the SD is really slow on the Z | 06:01 |
| z4chh | johnx, have you seen lcuk yet? | 06:01 |
| johnx | wjs_ltop: nope, processor in the Zaurus cxx00 is an armv5te with no FPU and the processor in the n8x0 is an armv6e with vector floating point | 06:01 |
| johnx | z4chh: yup | 06:02 |
| wjs_ltop | no, I meant between the 1000 and the 3100.. | 06:02 |
| johnx | z4chh he's a floor above me :) | 06:02 |
| wjs_ltop | comparing Z to Z ? | 06:02 |
| johnx | wjs_ltop: nope, you're right | 06:02 |
| johnx | thought you were saying Z vs N :) | 06:02 |
| z4chh | johnx, can you tell him to his face "zach be a work'in hard why mastah is gone" ;p | 06:03 |
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| Macer | nice to see that rtorrent can move stuff to a "complete" dir :) | 06:03 |
| Macer | i remmeber that being a problem | 06:03 |
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| johnx | z4chh: ahaha, ok | 06:05 |
| z4chh | johnx, he'll get a kick out of it...might start a convo...im his gsoc student | 06:05 |
| johnx | ah, right. :) forgot about that | 06:05 |
| johnx | talked to him a couple times already about mapping in liqbase | 06:06 |
| johnx | he does the best demos :) | 06:06 |
| z4chh | indeed | 06:06 |
| Macer | wtf | 06:06 |
| Macer | unrar doesn't seem to be working right | 06:06 |
| johnx | er, it has weird command line switches | 06:07 |
| Macer | rar uncompressed it but unrar doesn't | 06:07 |
| Macer | wtf is going on :) | 06:07 |
| Macer | for extraction? | 06:07 |
| johnx | it's like unrar x file.rar | 06:07 |
| Macer | shouldn't it be like unrar x | 06:07 |
| Macer | yeah.. that's what it is :) rar works but unrar gives me an error | 06:07 |
| johnx | well, then I guess unrar is broken :) | 06:07 |
| Macer | yah | 06:07 |
| Macer | i think so | 06:07 |
| Macer | maybe can just replace the bin with rar since the flags are about the same for uncompressing | 06:08 |
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| Macer | i replaced unrar-free with unrar | 06:12 |
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| Macer | it was the unrar-free | 06:26 |
| Macer | just goes to show :) | 06:26 |
| kfx | folks, moblin kicks a moderate amount of ass | 06:26 |
| kfx | even if it is a ram-hungry monster | 06:27 |
| johnx | too bad intel went away from the MID part of moblin long ago | 06:28 |
| kfx | yeah | 06:29 |
| kfx | the interface is okay if you're a mousey type | 06:29 |
| kfx | they preinstall all the pimlico-project apps :V | 06:29 |
| johnx | exactly, it went from an MID interface to a netbook interface | 06:30 |
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| johnx | as a netbook interface it actually looks pretty darn nice :) | 06:30 |
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| kfx | yeah | 06:31 |
| kfx | I'm not really a mouse guy, so it's not for me | 06:31 |
| kfx | but it's highly polished | 06:31 |
| johnx | cool to see them actually finish something | 06:31 |
| kfx | shame they based so much of it on gnome, though | 06:31 |
| johnx | also nice to see them working with nokia on pfono | 06:31 |
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| kfx | yeah I'm all frightened and confused by intel these days | 06:32 |
| kfx | I want to hate them because I remember when they were evil, but they seem to be trying hard these days | 06:32 |
| acydlord | as long as intel doesnt pull an ibm i wont be too scared | 06:32 |
| acydlord | remember when they were evil? | 06:33 |
| acydlord | they still are | 06:33 |
| acydlord | they just got hosed in the EU for paying companies to not use amd | 06:33 |
| acydlord | and they are still in court over the same thing here | 06:33 |
| johnx | ncie | 06:33 |
| GiantTalkingCow | What's Intel rumored to be up to now? | 06:33 |
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| kfx | yeah, I know, but at least they're churning out code these days | 06:34 |
| kfx | which is more than amd has ever done | 06:34 |
| acydlord | paying vendors not to use or sell competitors chips | 06:34 |
| johnx | kfx: well, they have radeon drivers that are open source at least | 06:34 |
| kfx | somewhat | 06:34 |
| acydlord | yeah, all the ati stuff is being worked on | 06:34 |
| GiantTalkingCow | acydlord: Oh that, that's old news... at least they're being held accountable. | 06:34 |
| acydlord | not to mention for about 5 years there intel was building their procs off of amd whitepapers | 06:35 |
| johnx | acydlord: yeah, I'm waiting for equal performance to the windows drivers before I jump on an ATi chip again | 06:35 |
| kfx | intel video drivers are fabulous | 06:35 |
| johnx | so are nvidia drivers | 06:35 |
| acydlord | yeah, but intel video cards are crap | 06:35 |
| johnx | and in nvidia's case the drivers are attached to fast, cheap cards | 06:36 |
| acydlord | not hard to make a driver work well for a vid card that will do 64mb max | 06:36 |
| kfx | nvidia drivers give me a lot of problems | 06:36 |
| kfx | primarily multimonitor/xrandr support | 06:36 |
| acydlord | yeah, i quit bothering with nvidia drivers awhile back | 06:36 |
| zakkm | intel opensources there drivers for linux | 06:36 |
| zakkm | you cant get better than that ;p | 06:36 |
| johnx | acydlord, yeah, be nice if they fixed that one of these years | 06:37 |
| acydlord | especially when they hosed the whole stack for vista and linux around the same time | 06:37 |
| kfx | my last desktop was amd and nvidia | 06:38 |
| kfx | not getting burned again | 06:38 |
| acydlord | at least nvidia has tesla going for it | 06:38 |
| kfx | currently intel and nvidia, but my next video card will be intel | 06:38 |
| kfx | I don't game so I don't need ricer stuff, but I'll give money to companies who use FOSS | 06:38 |
| johnx | my next x86 machine will be a laptop so it'll be intel/intel for me | 06:38 |
| johnx | but last time I played with it, intel stuff had some amount of trouble with compiz compared to nvidia cards | 06:39 |
| kfx | I just spent $53k on a cluster from dell that'll be shipping with centos | 06:39 |
| kfx | well, on behalf of my employer I spent that :V | 06:39 |
| johnx | ugh, centos | 06:39 |
| kfx | centos > ms server 2k8 | 06:39 |
| kfx | I'll take what I can get | 06:39 |
| GiantTalkingCow | When it comes to gaming, it's been my experience that ATI's currently at the top of the heap. Even their midrange stuff packs a lot of bang for the buck. | 06:39 |
| johnx | fair enough | 06:39 |
| acydlord | my aspire one is the first thing intel i've bought since 97 | 06:40 |
| kfx | strangely, dell wasn't willing to preinstall slackware on my systems | 06:40 |
| johnx | but centos > a kick in the face > ms server 2k8 | 06:40 |
| kfx | well | 06:40 |
| kfx | centos > debian == a kick in the face > ms server 2k8 | 06:40 |
| johnx | heh | 06:40 |
| acydlord | i wouldnt call deb a kick in the face | 06:40 |
| johnx | fair enough, I'll drop the distro bashing :) | 06:40 |
| kfx | I'd like to thank debian, ubuntu, and fedora for all shipping broken mptsas drivers in their latest kernels! | 06:41 |
| kfx | I got lots of overtime pay dealing with that mess | 06:41 |
| acydlord | lol | 06:42 |
| acydlord | i'm still baffled by the fact that the latest ubuntu update went around muting the pcm volume | 06:43 |
| johnx | heh, I got some good weekend overtime pay unwedging rhel4 after a security update rendered it unbootable | 06:43 |
| kfx | johnx: hahah | 06:43 |
| kfx | the most secure computer is one that won't start | 06:43 |
| acydlord | i dumped redhat for centos a few cycles back | 06:43 |
| johnx | it just would be nice if they gave me some release notes about that "intended feature" | 06:43 |
| kfx | acydlord: when society breaks down and there is no law I'm going to kidnap the pulseaudio and gstreamer devs and make them use their own software without root access | 06:44 |
| acydlord | kfx, lmao | 06:44 |
| acydlord | pulseaudio is the worst thing to happen to linux since mark shuttleworth | 06:44 |
| kfx | in order to be allowed to leave they'll have to apologize to the alsa devs | 06:44 |
| kfx | pulseaudio, gstreamer, arts, esd -- these are things I work to keep off my nx servers | 06:45 |
| GiantTalkingCow | acydlord: You're close, but the real worst thing to happen to linux is actually the KDE and Gnome devs' mania for "improving" their DEs by throwing tried and true UI ideas out the window and replacing them with something that might work two years from now. | 06:46 |
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| acydlord | true | 06:46 |
| kfx | one time as a joke I switched one of the nx servers over to fvwm carefully configured to look like stock ubuntu gnome | 06:46 |
| zakkm | pulseaudio is crap | 06:46 |
| acydlord | "lets see how shiny and off the wall we can make it" | 06:46 |
| zakkm | alsa is the best | 06:46 |
| zakkm | even uninstalled pulse to install alsa in the past | 06:47 |
| acydlord | i'm quite the fan of dwm or openbox | 06:47 |
| * kfx is running dwm right now | 06:47 | |
| zakkm | acydlord: you ever try pekwm? | 06:47 |
| GiantTalkingCow | I just got a look at what's planned for Gnome 3.0 last week... what the hell are they thinking? "Menus are so yesterday! Let's make the users drag each program to a virtual desktop instead!" | 06:47 |
| acydlord | opensuse is the worst when it comes to audio | 06:47 |
| acydlord | took me like 30 mins to get alsa on there | 06:47 |
| acydlord | havent tried pekwm | 06:47 |
| zakkm | acydlord: its like a more lightweight openbox, same nothing on screen, right click menu appears | 06:48 |
| acydlord | GiantTalkingCow, i think they've been looking at the palm pre too much | 06:48 |
| GiantTalkingCow | Pekwm is quite nice, but could be more configurable. | 06:48 |
| kfx | I think GiantTalkingCow is being facetious | 06:48 |
| kfx | pekwm is configurable to a fault | 06:48 |
| acydlord | i'll have to check it out zakkm, i'm looking for an alternate wm for the distro branch im working on | 06:48 |
| zakkm | i still prefer fluxbox the most, really like one of the themes | 06:49 |
| zakkm | carb i think its called? its been along time hah | 06:49 |
| zakkm | started with a c | 06:49 |
| kfx | I used fluxbox, long ago | 06:49 |
| GiantTalkingCow | kfx: Then I've mixed it up with one of the other similar WMs, my mistake. And no, GiantTalkingCow isn't being facetious... the Gnome devs actually have gone crazy. Let me find a link to a video of the new UI concept. | 06:49 |
| kfx | GiantTalkingCow: no, the gnome devs have always been insane | 06:49 |
| zakkm | i went to mac osx about two years, never touched linux since, though i help a friend out go over sometimes and help, so i sort of keep up-to-date a bit | 06:49 |
| zakkm | GiantTalkingCow: id like to see that too | 06:50 |
| GiantTalkingCow | kfx: Maybe so, but they used to errr on the side of caution. Now they've gone bananas. | 06:50 |
| kfx | if you want proof, hit alt+f2 and type gegls from outer space or free the fish and hit enter | 06:50 |
| kfx | after using dwm for a couple years I get annoyed when I have to manually position windows | 06:51 |
| * johnx actually likes gnome ... | 06:51 | |
| zakkm | i like gnome too :( | 06:51 |
| zakkm | mostly cause of gtk theming | 06:51 |
| zakkm | but yeah :D | 06:51 |
| kfx | other things that now annoy me include: title bars, borders bigger than 1px, anything that can't be accessed directly via keyboard | 06:51 |
| johnx | zakkm: actually, I like gnome better than osx :) | 06:52 |
| GiantTalkingCow | http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mxfWm2I-kMc&feature=related Here's a demo... let me see if I can't find a more comprehensive one. | 06:52 |
| zakkm | kfx: borders bigger than 1px can be controlled by gtk theme | 06:52 |
| zakkm | johnx: so do i, but then again i skin mac i DO NOT LEAVE IT DEFAULT :P | 06:52 |
| zakkm | ahh i like mac way more | 06:52 |
| GiantTalkingCow | This video's a bit choppy, but you'll get the general idea. | 06:52 |
| GiantTalkingCow | The default OS X skin hurts my eyes... too shiny. I went with one called Metal Muku instead. So much nicer. | 06:52 |
| johnx | zakkm: I don't have enough time in the day to bother trying to hack around everything that annoys me in mac os x | 06:53 |
| kfx | the default osx skin hurts me too, but mostly because whenever I see it I know I'm about to get RSI | 06:53 |
| acydlord | osx is too mickey moused for my tastes | 06:53 |
| kfx | emphasis on "mouse" | 06:53 |
| zakkm | heh | 06:53 |
| zakkm | should i screenshot for you guys? | 06:53 |
| johnx | acydlord: actually, the keyboard shortcuts on it are one of the things I like | 06:53 |
| zakkm | show you what i mean? | 06:53 |
| johnx | zakkm: it's not the look, it's the feel | 06:54 |
| GiantTalkingCow | kfx: Since when? Install quicksilver and do everything on the Mac by keyboard instead. | 06:54 |
| zakkm | the feel is perfect! | 06:54 |
| kfx | does osx have a tiling window manager yet | 06:54 |
| zakkm | whats that? | 06:54 |
| johnx | zakkm: unless what you want differs with what apple thinks you should use | 06:54 |
| acydlord | on my last openbox install i had everything with keyboard shortcuts | 06:54 |
| johnx | kfx: it doesn't even let you snap windows to each other (or even to screen edges) | 06:55 |
| GiantTalkingCow | Native? No. But then again you can just install X11 and use a standard tiling window manager. I have to say I don't see the appeal of them myself. | 06:55 |
| kfx | johnx: wow | 06:55 |
| kfx | that's awful | 06:55 |
| kfx | GiantTalkingCow: do you have to install something every time you have to configure things? | 06:55 |
| johnx | and click to focus makes me want to kill sometimes | 06:55 |
| kfx | the most I interact with a mac is when I ssh into one to make sure it's authenticating against my ldap server | 06:56 |
| GiantTalkingCow | kfx: Generally, no. | 06:56 |
| johnx | kfx: I have a work macbook | 06:56 |
| zakkm | http://img41.imageshack.us/img41/9462/picture1jte.jpg sorry guys took long | 06:56 |
| zakkm | how can you tell me that looks ugly? | 06:56 |
| acydlord | i couldnt justify the price of mac hardware, especially with their failure rate, just to hack osx into looking like a free linux system | 06:56 |
| johnx | zakkm: I never said anything about looks, but it doesn't solve any of the problems I have with mac :) | 06:57 |
| kfx | we havea a 65% failure rate on the mac pro motherboards here | 06:57 |
| zakkm | heh | 06:57 |
| zakkm | you guys like the screenshot? | 06:57 |
| zakkm | think i skinned nicely/ | 06:57 |
| zakkm | its a hackintosh, but i did it properly , bought the right hardware and such | 06:57 |
| johnx | yeah, looks nice. the default looks nice too. and so does wmaker | 06:57 |
| kfx | still waiting for imageshack to answer packets | 06:57 |
| acydlord | it smells of turtlenecks and bloated senses of self entitlement still | 06:58 |
| zakkm | kfx: refresh? | 06:58 |
| johnx | anyways, got breakfast to eat and hacking to do :) | 06:58 |
| johnx | 'later | 06:58 |
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| GiantTalkingCow | Use imgur.com instead of imageshack next time... it's generally not lag-prone. | 06:58 |
| zakkm | ive never seen lag in imageshack? | 06:59 |
| zakkm | im just so used to the ui and such | 06:59 |
| GiantTalkingCow | Hey, seeing as this is the maemo channel, have any of you ever used the Nokia n810 internet tablet? | 07:00 |
| zakkm | i own a n800 ? | 07:01 |
| kfx | Firefox can't find the server at img41.imageshack.us. | 07:01 |
| kfx | hmm | 07:01 |
| zakkm | kfx: lame, onesec | 07:01 |
| acydlord | my n810 is keeping my bed warm for me and blinking away so i can find it in the dark | 07:01 |
| GiantTalkingCow | acydlord: I'm considering buying one... would you say that the keyboard is any good? | 07:01 |
| kfx | I love the n810 keyboard | 07:01 |
| zakkm | GiantTalkingCow: alot of people complain, some dont | 07:02 |
| zakkm | GiantTalkingCow: the GPS on it is crap , so dont get it for that | 07:02 |
| acydlord | it like it for the most part | 07:02 |
| acydlord | zakkm, gps seems to be working beter for me with the tinygpsd and agps installed | 07:02 |
| acydlord | about 5-10min to fix cold | 07:02 |
| zakkm | its just what ive heard / read in all my maemo life | 07:02 |
| acydlord | about 1-5 mins till fix warm | 07:02 |
| acydlord | but for the most part its shit | 07:03 |
| acydlord | only a couple magnatudes better than cell triangulation | 07:03 |
| GiantTalkingCow | I'm mostly getting it for the apps and keyboard. I had an iPod Touch that I'd gotten as a present, but half a year later I'm fed up with the damn software keyboard, so I'm looking around for a more full featured gadget to use as my PDA. | 07:03 |
| acydlord | the OSKs on the NITs are much better than that crap on the iPoo | 07:04 |
| zakkm | cant beat the ipod firmware :P | 07:04 |
| zakkm | well depends how techy you are | 07:04 |
| zakkm | end user - ipod is unbeatable | 07:04 |
| GiantTalkingCow | zakkm: I beg to differ. | 07:04 |
| acydlord | i dont like the ipod, its not tech, its a toy | 07:04 |
| zakkm | techy, into ssh and such messing with gtk themes, window managers and such.. n8x0's will win | 07:05 |
| zakkm | if your here chances are you would choose tablet over ipod | 07:05 |
| zakkm | but in school, everyday ppl on the street.. you put both side by side | 07:05 |
| zakkm | the ipod would win by far | 07:05 |
| acydlord | mostly due to branding | 07:05 |
| zakkm | no | 07:06 |
| acydlord | i actually went a few years using NITs as my main mobile computer | 07:06 |
| zakkm | its a good product | 07:06 |
| GiantTalkingCow | zakkm: I'm not so sure. It makes a better first impression, but once you ask people what they'd like their device to do, it doesn't hold up so well. It has a nice UI, I'll give it that. | 07:06 |
| zakkm | speed. | 07:06 |
| zakkm | compatibility | 07:06 |
| zakkm | better music management | 07:06 |
| acydlord | not to mention the NITs and the ipod/iphone are designed for completely different reasons | 07:07 |
| zakkm | yeah thats what i mean | 07:07 |
| zakkm | techy - n8x0's ... end user - ipod | 07:07 |
| acydlord | i'm a member of the camp of having a different device for each purpose | 07:07 |
| acydlord | i have an mp3 player, phone, tablet, laptop, etc | 07:07 |
| GiantTalkingCow | The App Store is the iPhone's Achilles' Heel. It's chock full of shovelware, and has no real way to search through it to find the gems. (and there are quite a few) | 07:08 |
| acydlord | anywho i'm off to play some streetfighter | 07:09 |
| acydlord | lates | 07:09 |
| kfx | http://madleet.net/shot.png | 07:10 |
| kfx | that's how I like my computers | 07:10 |
| kfx | as for the n810 it's the lcars-complete theme all the way | 07:10 |
| zakkm | might i add, ew | 07:10 |
| kfx | zero garbage | 07:10 |
| zakkm | zero UI | 07:11 |
| zakkm | that looks very unproductive | 07:11 |
| kfx | I don't measure productivity by the amount of crap I can cram into a screen | 07:11 |
| kfx | I still don't get titlebars | 07:11 |
| kfx | why do you need the window labeled? can't you tell what it is by looking at it? | 07:12 |
| zakkm | minimize, maximize, close ( linux /windows way anyways) | 07:12 |
| zakkm | not always | 07:12 |
| zakkm | if you run a terminal app | 07:12 |
| zakkm | like irssi | 07:12 |
| zakkm | wouldnt you like to know its irssi? | 07:12 |
| zakkm | not everoyne can tell by looking at the window | 07:12 |
| kfx | with dwm, there's no need to do minimize or maximize | 07:12 |
| kfx | and close is a keyboard shortcut | 07:12 |
| kfx | if you can't tell irc by looking at it, it won't be an issue because you won't be using irc | 07:13 |
| zakkm | lol | 07:13 |
| zakkm | ive tried all those | 07:13 |
| zakkm | still prefer proper DE | 07:13 |
| zakkm | of some sort | 07:13 |
| kfx | I've been using dwm since a couple months after it came out | 07:13 |
| kfx | I like computers much better when I don't have to do their job for them | 07:13 |
| zakkm | older ? | 07:13 |
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| zakkm | im guessing your a debian user | 07:14 |
| kfx | lord god no | 07:14 |
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| zakkm | heh | 07:14 |
| zakkm | gentoo? | 07:14 |
| kfx | equally offensive, but for different reasons | 07:15 |
| kfx | I like a distro that doesn't molest upstream source, but also isn't some kind of ricer festival | 07:15 |
| cmug | yay, I compiled and succesfully ran hello world on fremantle | 07:15 |
| kfx | slackware as often as possible | 07:15 |
| zakkm | slackware .. | 07:16 |
| zakkm | wow | 07:16 |
| zakkm | piece of garbage imo | 07:17 |
| Macer | i think i need to put this back on the main server. hellanzb is going extremely slow | 07:17 |
| Macer | i guess 1GHz is kind of slow :) | 07:18 |
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| * zakkm has a overclocked 3ghz machine.. overclocked from 2ghz to 3ghz | 07:18 | |
| kfx | zakkm: it probably looks scary from inside the RDF, I guess | 07:18 |
| zakkm | RDF? | 07:19 |
| Macer | zakkm: i don't think i would have much luck trying to oc a C7 | 07:20 |
| Macer | :) | 07:20 |
| zakkm | heh | 07:20 |
| Macer | i'm just not getting the download speeds i was getting from the dual dual core 1.8GHz fileserver | 07:21 |
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| |troy| | Hmmm. crowded in here | 07:22 |
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| Proteous | shhhhh | 07:22 |
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| Proteous | :P | 07:22 |
| JesperHansen | This Hostel has everything now. Even a drunk guy standing up in the middle of the night and peeing in another guys bed. Good thing there was no one there in that bed :P | 07:23 |
| TroyRollo | I seem to be having some difficulty with getting the QEMU environment described by Marcin Juszkiewicz to work - keep getting a white screen when starting up, and then nothing further. Any ideas? | 07:24 |
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| stskeepsie | morning rm_you | 07:31 |
| rm_you | morning | 07:31 |
| rm_you | been up since like 4 but powerless :P | 07:31 |
| stskeepsie | prolly gonna nap Ã1 more hr myself | 07:31 |
| JesperHansen | rm_you: People waking up at the cabinn? | 07:32 |
| rm_you | yeah looks like | 07:32 |
| rm_you | i also thought the thing was at 9 but this sheet says it is at 10 and recommends we be there by 9:30 | 07:32 |
| rm_you | anyone else at the Cabinn have breakfast plans? | 07:32 |
| JesperHansen | rm_you: Perhaps go down and see if there's anyone there not plugged into the matrix | 07:33 |
| stskeepsie | rm_you: 8.30 we plan to meet up | 07:34 |
| rm_you | k | 07:34 |
| stskeepsie | theeres breakfast at hotel. if they tell you otherwise tell them to call william | 07:35 |
| StsN800 | so if you need food now i think its open | 07:36 |
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| rm_you | oh ok | 07:36 |
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| rm_you | we'll check it out in a minute then | 07:36 |
| JesperHansen | johnx: a good morning to another dane. | 07:37 |
| JesperHansen | (at least for the danish hostmask that is) | 07:37 |
| johnx | :) | 07:37 |
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| Macer | JesperHansen: the danes saved all their jews before they could be rounded up by the nazis to be killed | 08:03 |
| Macer | sounds like a good place to live | 08:04 |
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| zakkm | Macer: still reading on WW2/holocaust? | 08:05 |
| Macer | naw. i'm done. | 08:05 |
| Macer | pretty messed up stuff | 08:05 |
| JesperHansen | Macer: good to know | 08:05 |
| Macer | during the final days of the war.. they were trying their best to kill as many people as possible. huge trainloads of people were all just brought straight to the chambers | 08:06 |
| Macer | that is just like.. seriously messed up | 08:06 |
| Macer | i mean if you saw the pictures of them getting off the trains.. there were thousands | 08:06 |
| Macer | i don't understand how people could kill small children like that | 08:07 |
| zakkm | Macer: most died on the train itself, there was no room to move or breath | 08:08 |
| Macer | there was one death camp that they made look like a train stop. and they didn't realize that they were going into a gas chamber. they thought they were just going ot take showers | 08:08 |
| Macer | the camp had no other purpose other than to kill people | 08:09 |
| rm_you | Macer: morbid topic of conversation for this early in the morning O_o | 08:09 |
| Macer | it's midnight ;) | 08:09 |
| rm_you | that's pretty early in the morning :P | 08:09 |
| Macer | or very late at night | 08:09 |
| rm_you | yeah <_< | 08:10 |
| JesperHansen | Macer: try to keep up with the worlds center :P | 08:10 |
| Macer | i consider it morning around 3 | 08:10 |
| Macer | i dont go off zulu time :) | 08:10 |
| rm_you | lol well, heading down to breakfast | 08:10 |
| rm_you | bbl | 08:10 |
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| zakkm | Macer: where in the world are you | 08:14 |
| Macer | chicago | 08:14 |
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| JesperHansen | another Dane | 08:17 |
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| wazd | http://wiki.maemo.org/images/f/f2/Picture_4_s.jpg <- Jesus Christ! | 08:20 |
| JesperHansen | wazd: notice the high number of danish hostmasks here today :P | 08:21 |
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| CutMeOwnThroat | Macer, hey neighbor | 08:25 |
| zakkm | lol your all at the hotel? | 08:27 |
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| CutMeOwnThroat | eh, keep yer fingers to yerself! | 08:38 |
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| luke-jr | CutMeOwnThroat: it wasn't a finger | 08:39 |
| gnuton | Hi | 08:39 |
| * johnx and rm-you are downstairs eating breakfast | 08:40 | |
| CutMeOwnThroat | it was a whole hand! | 08:40 |
| CutMeOwnThroat | ok, so I'm lying about my client anyway... | 08:42 |
| StsN800 | johnx, no issues? | 08:48 |
| johnx | nope | 08:49 |
| Macer | ok 4 good songs on the fray cd | 08:51 |
| Macer | heh | 08:51 |
| Macer | say when is an awesome song | 08:51 |
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| johnx | the coffee is actually pretty good | 08:52 |
| bacon | johnx which, the crappy cups | 08:55 |
| bacon | or are you downstairs already | 08:55 |
| Macer | does the cup make the coffee? :) | 08:55 |
| bacon | yes! | 08:56 |
| bacon | if there is no handle you cannot sit and enjoy as well, and its polystyrene as well | 08:56 |
| bacon | itx like fakon | 08:57 |
| Macer | haha | 08:59 |
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| amoult | hello | 10:27 |
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| keesj | Morning! | 10:30 |
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| johnx | rm_you, ping :D | 11:06 |
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| rm_you | johnx: pong | 11:07 |
| rm_you | johnx: mums? :P | 11:10 |
| johnx | yeah,that'd be neat. dunno if we have time | 11:10 |
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| rm_you | it is... not that much to do | 11:11 |
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| etrunko | live | 11:39 |
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| stskeepsie | jeremiah_: ping | 12:28 |
| jeremiah_ | stskeepsie: I wanted to know where you were in Real Life, but now I know! | 12:30 |
| stskeepsie | hehe | 12:31 |
| stskeepsie | jeremiah_: you are working on maemian and such during this weekend? | 12:31 |
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| stskeepsie | jeremiah_: because if so me and lbt has a idea to discuss two things: packaging policy, and maemian and scratchboxisms | 12:35 |
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| X-Fade | Sooo, they seem to take the coffee away :( | 12:49 |
| Myrtti | NOOOOO | 12:49 |
| stskeepsie | what? | 12:49 |
| X-Fade | Let's hope they replace it with lunch :) | 12:50 |
| andre__ | coffee fail. | 12:50 |
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| etrunko | WTF | 12:59 |
| etrunko | X-Fade: btw, never trust devices running on batteries to wake you up | 12:59 |
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| qwerty12 | Is it just me or does hildon-desktop crash if you give it a desktop file with the X-Osso-Service field having a D-Bus service name that contains a hyphen? | 13:22 |
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| yerga | qwerty12, it crashes with a hyphen | 13:37 |
| yerga | btw, what's up? ;) | 13:38 |
| yerga | nice to see you again | 13:38 |
| yerga | I thought you had leave us | 13:38 |
| qwerty12 | Thanks yerga, nothing much, I've had exams the past week (this week is a free week) :) | 13:39 |
| yerga | hehe exams, I start the next week | 13:40 |
| qwerty12 | Heh, you do chemistry right? I'm pretty sure yours will be a lot more harder than mine :P :D | 13:42 |
| yerga | I imagine quantum chemistry will be more difficult but the others don't think so ;) | 13:43 |
| qwerty12 | hehe | 13:43 |
| qwerty12 | Bleh, built libsdl-perl against libsdl-mixeroggwav1.2 and Frozen Bubble still won't play sounds in ogg files | 13:45 |
| b0unc3 | good morning | 13:46 |
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| b0unc3 | i have a problem with the hildon_banner... http://pastebin.ca/1440882 | 13:49 |
| b0unc3 | the banner never come up | 13:49 |
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| X-Fade | Ok, lunch was not half bad :) | 14:34 |
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| * GAN8001 does not feel like joining twitter for some stupid feed. | 14:39 | |
| GAN8001 | Why do we need a separe #mozmae channel, anyway? | 14:39 |
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| GAN8001 | http://wiki.maemo.org/index.php?title=User_talk:Bobbin2002&rcid=13790 | 14:40 |
| X-Fade | http://twitterfall.com/ and enter mozmae ;) | 14:41 |
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| GAN8001 | Doesn't work | 14:48 |
| Myrtti | they're tweeting slow | 14:48 |
| GAN8001 | That should be "twitter fail" | 14:48 |
| * lbt sits down | 14:52 | |
| Pavlov | heh | 14:53 |
| Pavlov | so tired. | 14:53 |
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| amoult | does N810 come with any kind of memory card? | 15:00 |
| amoult | I mean is there any mini sd card in sales package | 15:01 |
| GAN8001 | amoult, 256MB, I believe. | 15:02 |
| amoult | I was just about to go to buy a memory card for N810 I just recently bought | 15:04 |
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| mavhc | don't think mine came with one | 15:04 |
| amoult | when I found 4gig class 4 card inside, which the seller didn't mention about (second hand unit) :D | 15:04 |
| mavhc | nice | 15:09 |
| kfx | my 810 didn't come with one | 15:11 |
| mavhc | when will 16GB microsd cards be only twice the price of 8GB ones? | 15:11 |
| X-Fade | mavhc: After the 32GB ones show up? | 15:12 |
| x29a | anybody from germany in here? i have a spare n810 | 15:14 |
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| GAN8001 | bergie, ping? | 15:22 |
| bergie | pong | 15:22 |
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| GAN8001 | bergie, any chance on a screenshot of the fixed Midgard toolbar? | 15:23 |
| bergie | ah... completely forgotten about it | 15:23 |
| bergie | I'm hacking on something right now, but I'll get back to you | 15:23 |
| GAN8001 | OK, thanks. | 15:24 |
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| GAN8001 | There were some complaints on Talk about the floating bar the other day which is what reminded me. | 15:24 |
| X-Fade | GAN8001: You really should have been here btw ;) | 15:24 |
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| X-Fade | GAN8001: Make sure you have your agenda locked for the summit at least! | 15:26 |
| GAN8001 | X-Fade, yeah, passport, work, etc. | 15:26 |
| X-Fade | No excuses ;) | 15:27 |
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| GAN8001 | X-Fade, anyway, there's no need to make me feel worse early on a Saturday morning. :P | 15:27 |
| X-Fade | Oh, I know of several things to add to the pain ;) | 15:29 |
| GAN8001 | Alright, time for work. | 15:30 |
| GAN8001 | Enjoy your hacking, you bastards. | 15:30 |
| Pavlov | hah | 15:30 |
| Pavlov | why aren't you here?? | 15:30 |
| GAN8001 | Pavlov, a variety of reasons. | 15:31 |
| Pavlov | ah well -- next time? | 15:31 |
| GAN8001 | None of them very good individually, but adding up in aggregate. | 15:31 |
| GAN8001 | Planning on the Summit. | 15:31 |
| Pavlov | sweet | 15:31 |
| Pavlov | i'm going to try ot make it as well | 15:31 |
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| kkrusty | are there any plans to add support to google tasks to erminig? | 15:34 |
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| kkrusty | s/support to/support for/ | 15:34 |
| infobot | kkrusty meant: are there any plans to add support for google tasks to erminig? | 15:34 |
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| minra | browser is hanging on "UpdatingS... | 15:48 |
| minra | browser is hanging on "Updating" | 15:48 |
| minra | known problem since yesterday? | 15:48 |
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| kkrusty | minra: restart the browser service | 15:56 |
| minra | ty kkrusty !! | 15:57 |
| kkrusty | well maybe try that. I dont know too much but thats what I did when that happened to me | 15:57 |
| minra | how? | 15:58 |
| GAN800 | /etc/init.d/tablet-browser-daemo restart | 15:59 |
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| kkrusty | GAN800 aww I was just going to type that | 15:59 |
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| kkrusty | you stole my moment :) | 16:00 |
| GAN800 | While trying to find a lightswitch, even. :P | 16:01 |
| kkrusty | GAN800 I hate to be persistant but any idea how I could get any todo management service to work on maemo? | 16:02 |
| * Stskeeps_ yawns | 16:02 | |
| minra | still hangs on updating | 16:02 |
| minra | who supports tear browser? | 16:02 |
| minra | id use that, but it has broken copy/paste | 16:02 |
| lopz | hi | 16:03 |
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| Macer | blah | 16:13 |
| Macer | waiting to board a plane | 16:13 |
| Macer | at least the airport isnt jammed packed | 16:13 |
| Macer | one thing to thank a collapsed economy on | 16:14 |
| minra | heh | 16:14 |
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| minra | dont let the tsa goons steal your laptop | 16:14 |
| minra | can i reinstall browser to fix? or disable "updating"? | 16:16 |
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| minra | can xchat remember my channels? | 16:19 |
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| GAN800 | minra, did you restart it? | 16:21 |
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| minra | yes GAN800 | 16:23 |
| qwerty12_N800 | As root? | 16:23 |
| minra | yes | 16:23 |
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| minra | Nokia-N810-43-7:~# /etc/init.d/tablet-browser-daemon restart | 16:24 |
| kkrusty | minra: how about restarting the tablet? | 16:25 |
| kkrusty | why is it that todo list synchronisation is so neglected? | 16:26 |
| minra | the microsoft solution? | 16:26 |
| kkrusty | minra: unfortunately yes | 16:26 |
| GAN800 | kkrusty, people don't buy these things for PIM. | 16:26 |
| GAN800 | Plus, it's not an easy solution to put together. | 16:26 |
| minra | whoah | 16:27 |
| minra | daemo and daemon exist | 16:27 |
| minra | daemon is empty | 16:27 |
| minra | Nokia-N810-43-7:~# /etc/init.d/tablet-browser-daemo restart | 16:27 |
| minra | sh: /etc/init.d/tablet-browser-daemo: Permission denied | 16:28 |
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| minra | -rw-r--r-- 1 root root 0 May 30 13:00 tablet-browser-daemo | 16:29 |
| minra | 0 | 16:29 |
| minra | bytes | 16:29 |
| kkrusty | GAN800: Well calendars work and I was thinking that todo list synchronisation can only be easier than this | 16:30 |
| qwerty12_N800 | minra: to save time: http://pastebin.com/f2565bcfb | 16:31 |
| minra | cant paste link into tear browser lol | 16:32 |
| minra | jesus | 16:32 |
| minra | ty qwerty12_N800 | 16:33 |
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| kkrusty | GAN800: also there isnt anything for symbian either. | 16:35 |
| kkrusty | GAN800: well actually theres one application but it costs money :( | 16:35 |
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| * kkrusty doesnt want to buy an iphone | 16:39 | |
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| * stskeepsie neither | 16:43 | |
| minra | ty ty qwerty12_N800 - fixed | 16:46 |
| qwerty12_N800 | cool :) | 16:46 |
| minra | why did they get baleeted? | 16:46 |
| minra | mysterious universe | 16:46 |
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| JesperHansen | Happy Caturday! | 16:48 |
| stskeepsie | qwerty12_N800: you're really missing out here :P | 16:49 |
| qwerty12_N800 | stskeepsie: heh, what's it like there? :) | 16:49 |
| stskeepsie | quite nice atmosphere and relaxed | 16:50 |
| stskeepsie | a lot of hacking | 16:50 |
| qwerty12_N800 | :) | 16:51 |
| JesperHansen | And in the presence of girls. Now that's not what you see everyday. | 16:52 |
| Sconk | there is more guys whit long hair then girls in here.. | 16:53 |
| JesperHansen | Sconk: Are you talking about the bold guy? | 16:54 |
| Sconk | bold ? | 16:54 |
| x29a | <b> | 16:54 |
| JesperHansen | or bald might work as well | 16:56 |
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| Myrtti | oh for gods sake... | 17:19 |
| Myrtti | argh | 17:19 |
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| Stskeeps_ | Myrtti? | 17:22 |
| Myrtti | xournal is being idiot | 17:22 |
| Myrtti | annotated a pdf in Ubuntu, moved the damn thing on my n800 and it doesn't work. | 17:22 |
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| Stskeeps_ | ah | 17:23 |
| * Stskeeps_ is just nervous before his presentation :P | 17:23 | |
| Stskeeps_ | either that or i have bad caffeine jitters | 17:24 |
| Myrtti | whut!?! | 17:24 |
| Myrtti | the stupid xoj-files have static link to the pdf? | 17:24 |
| Myrtti | LULWHUT | 17:24 |
| Stskeeps_ | so it's a overlay? | 17:24 |
| Stskeeps_ | interesting | 17:24 |
| Myrtti | oh for fucks sake | 17:24 |
| Myrtti | of course it can't find the pdf from /home/myrtti/pdf/aquila.pdf | 17:24 |
| Myrtti | DAMN YOU | 17:24 |
| Myrtti | doh. | 17:24 |
| Myrtti | idiotic software is being idiotic | 17:25 |
| Myrtti | er, and the xoj-file isn't even a sane xml? | 17:25 |
| Myrtti | what idiocy is this? | 17:26 |
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| Myrtti | "so since we can't have the co-operation module that our inspiration of a software has, we decided to make the cooperation as difficult as possible. Screw you guys!" | 17:29 |
| Myrtti | </cartman chuckle> | 17:30 |
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| b0unc3 | guys i have a problem with the hildon_banner... http://pastebin.ca/1440882 ... the banner never come up... | 17:34 |
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| minra | http://www.collisiondetection.net/mt/archives/2009/03/beho_we_watched.php | 17:42 |
| minra | grape sized single-cell organism found | 17:43 |
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| amr | im using the maps app | 17:45 |
| amr | and in the sat display thing | 17:45 |
| amr | it says 2 with an 8 under it | 17:45 |
| amr | btu i still have no location info available | 17:45 |
| amr | at what point will i actually have that info available? :p | 17:46 |
| minra | you need like 4-5 sats | 17:46 |
| minra | let the device rest n the open, outside, away from buildings, for z minutes | 17:47 |
| minra | 6 | 17:47 |
| minra | if you bought n810 for gps, return it | 17:48 |
| amr | i didnt | 17:48 |
| amr | but if its included, itd be nice to get a signal | 17:48 |
| amr | just once | 17:48 |
| minra | important to not mive it at all while getting a lock | 17:48 |
| minra | move | 17:49 |
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| rm_you | X-Fade: someday this will actually finish uploading to the builder :P | 18:10 |
| X-Fade | rm_you: Shall I just copy the diablo version to the builder? | 18:11 |
| rm_you | hrm | 18:11 |
| rm_you | can try | 18:11 |
| rm_you | that is 0.15-0? | 18:12 |
| X-Fade | rm_you: You tell me ;) | 18:12 |
| rm_you | heh | 18:12 |
| * rm_you checks | 18:12 | |
| rm_you | yes, looking like 0.15-0, should work | 18:12 |
| X-Fade | ok, moment ;) | 18:12 |
| rm_you | eventually this upload of 0.15-2 might go through but it is all Mer changes so whatev | 18:12 |
| X-Fade | building... | 18:14 |
| rm_you | :) | 18:14 |
| rm_you | might fail | 18:14 |
| rm_you | seem to recall my last attempt failing on fremantle possibly... never checked why, could have been that i386 issue i had | 18:15 |
| rm_you | timeless says he's here, BTW | 18:15 |
| rm_you | he is in the presentation room | 18:15 |
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| X-Fade | failed. | 18:16 |
| rm_you | well at least i get logs | 18:16 |
| X-Fade | https://garage.maemo.org/builder/fremantle/advanced-backlight_0.15-0/armel.root.log.FAILED.txt | 18:16 |
| rm_you | E: Couldn't find package libhildondesktop-dev | 18:17 |
| rm_you | what? | 18:17 |
| rm_you | is that... gone? renamed? | 18:17 |
| johnx | hey rm_you | 18:18 |
| johnx | uhm, let me search quick | 18:18 |
| rm_you | lol k | 18:18 |
| X-Fade | I have no idea. | 18:18 |
| rm_you | will ask the fremantle people when I get out, too | 18:18 |
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| yerga | it was renamed to libhildondesktop1-dev | 18:26 |
| rm_you | grar | 18:27 |
| rm_you | k | 18:27 |
| rm_you | thanks | 18:28 |
| rm_you | is the only change I need to make just renaming that in debian/control? or does it affect other things | 18:29 |
| qwerty12 | Is diablo's python2.5-pygame still maintained? | 18:30 |
| rm_you | joy... get to sit through uploading again | 18:31 |
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| rm_you | might be faster outside this room | 18:34 |
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| rm_you | it would be way faster if I exported all the extra icons to an icons package <_< | 18:34 |
| rm_you | would prolly be good, long run | 18:35 |
| rm_you | less up/down, since it would like never change | 18:35 |
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| JesperHansen | rm_you: you're suppose to listen to the presentations :P | 18:35 |
| rm_you | i was | 18:36 |
| JesperHansen | Distracted by shiny object? | 18:36 |
| rm_you | lol yeah walk out here and it finishes like instantly | 18:36 |
| rm_you | working on getting ABL into fremantle-extras-devel so i can install it on the tablets here | 18:36 |
| rm_you | and see how it works | 18:36 |
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| rm_you | yerga: ok so what is "hildon-desktop-dev" called now? | 18:47 |
| rm_you | :P | 18:47 |
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| RST38h | rm_ | 18:48 |
| RST38h | me heya | 18:48 |
| rm_you | yo | 18:48 |
| yerga | rm_you, that should be in libhildondesktop1-dev package too | 18:49 |
| yerga | what need you from hildon-desktop-dev? | 18:50 |
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| rm_you | honestly, at this point, i'm not even sure >_< | 18:50 |
| RST38h | love? | 18:50 |
| rm_you | thanks for the tip tho | 18:50 |
| rm_you | yerga: what about hildon-control-panel-dev? | 18:51 |
| rm_you | same? | 18:51 |
| * RST38h is getting gprs packets in groups of three every 15 secs or so | 18:51 | |
| RST38h | pidgeons might have worked better really... | 18:52 |
| kfx | desktop tower defense is boring; RST38h is playing desktop packet defense | 18:52 |
| yerga | rm_you, hildon-control-panel-dev exists in fremantle | 18:52 |
| rm_you | ah, k | 18:52 |
| kfx | RST38h: soon the packets will get stronger and come in bigger groups. Make sure your device can shoot them down before they get your base! | 18:52 |
| yerga | rm_you, but are you sure that the fremantle version supports statusbar plugins? | 18:53 |
| rm_you | no :P | 18:53 |
| RST38h | wont get stronger, unless mts puts in another tower | 18:53 |
| RST38h | (back to tower defense) | 18:53 |
| rm_you | i'm finding out | 18:53 |
| yerga | or is there nice devices in the meeting? | 18:53 |
| RST38h | it does not, not in the present form | 18:53 |
| rm_you | they have the prototypes, was going to try to install and see what happens O_o | 18:54 |
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| RST38h | btw, I now have another weird reason for having two devices (tablet+phone) | 18:58 |
| RST38h | you place phone at the spot with good gsm signal and use tablet from somewhere comfortable nearby | 18:58 |
| rm_you | heh | 18:58 |
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| stskeepsie | 'lo qwerty12_N800 | 20:37 |
| qwerty12_N800 | hi stskeepsie | 20:37 |
| thopiekar | X-Fade, jeremiah_: PING | 20:38 |
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| sin18 | is the google repository still broken (maemo mapper on N800 - diablo) .. i keep getting 'maps not downloaded' error | 20:39 |
| jeremiah_ | thopiekar: Pong | 20:40 |
| thopiekar | hi jeremiah_ | 20:40 |
| thopiekar | is there a way to get / add opengl headers into diablo? I think that you can remember that I'm working on the mixxx port (tabletDJ) and I'm just fighting with the deps now.. | 20:42 |
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| thopiekar | to build mixxx I would need them.. mixxx detects automaticly whether opengl is available or not.. so it would use the simplewaveform on n8x0's and on the fremantle device the opengl-waveform... | 20:44 |
| jeremiah_ | thopiekar: I think that might be really, really hard. I think the opengl stuff is close to the hardware and really designed to run on fremantle. | 20:46 |
| thopiekar | hmm | 20:47 |
| thopiekar | but isn't it really possible to get the headers without the driver? | 20:48 |
| thopiekar | I'm not 100 per cently sure but opengl-headers of mesa would be enough | 20:49 |
| thopiekar | .. | 20:49 |
| thopiekar | but building mesa in sb1 faild for me.. because of the old version of libdrm2.. | 20:50 |
| thopiekar | :| | 20:50 |
| thopiekar | btw is libdrm2 an important lib and what is it for? | 20:50 |
| kfx | direct rendering manager | 20:52 |
| kfx | kernel-side graphics acceleration lib | 20:52 |
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| thopiekar | so something very important for building other things? I just don't minded how important asound is and I uploaded a newer version of it from ubuntu and breaked others builds here.. so I'm just asking that :P | 20:54 |
| stskeepsie | bbl | 20:54 |
| thopiekar | stskeepsie: going offline? | 20:54 |
| kfx | thopiekar: any 3d accelerated video driver will depend on libdrm | 20:55 |
| thopiekar | hmm | 20:56 |
| thopiekar | wait.. you say any 3d driver.. but we haven't anyone.. | 20:56 |
| thopiekar | so I could upgrade it and build mesa for the opengl-headers right? | 20:57 |
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| kfx | thopiekar: I'm not conversant with the build system or anything like that | 21:00 |
| kfx | I just know what the lib does :V | 21:00 |
| thopiekar | :] | 21:00 |
| thopiekar | jeremiah_: ? | 21:00 |
| johh | I'm trying to get http://hiciu.rootnode.net/arch/wiki/AFR running on the n800. Chroot works fine, but when I try booting, init complains that dev/console doesn't exist and so the kernel panics | 21:02 |
| johh | anyone knows how to resolve that problem? | 21:03 |
| kfx | try mknod /mnt/sda1/dev/console c 5 1 | 21:04 |
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| kfx | just a guess | 21:04 |
| kfx | init needs /dev/console, /dev/zero, and /dev/null to be there iirc | 21:05 |
| kfx | well | 21:05 |
| kfx | not /mnt/sda1 but whatever your chroot is | 21:05 |
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| johh | i don't want to boot it in the chroot, i want to boot it directly | 21:06 |
| johh | so it's strange, that there ist no dev/console | 21:06 |
| oli | does google maps works for you in maemo-mapper? | 21:07 |
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| johh | also strange is that it says dev/console and not /dev/console | 21:09 |
| kfx | johh: you still have to make the node though, because init uses udev or whatever to make the rest | 21:09 |
| kfx | /console, /zero, /null are all static nodes | 21:10 |
| johh | and how can I do that before init, hacking the initfs? | 21:13 |
| kfx | I think you can mknod while it's chrooted | 21:13 |
| kfx | then it'll still be there when you boot into that root | 21:13 |
| kfx | I'm no expert on this stuff, though :/ | 21:14 |
| johh | thanks | 21:15 |
| kfx | good luck | 21:15 |
| johh | ah arch linux booting :D | 21:16 |
| Myrtti | eww | 21:17 |
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| kfx | johh: don't listen to clueless naysayers; I'm not an arch guy but it's a decent distro | 21:19 |
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| sin18 | is anyone else still having issues with google street maps repository (on maemo mapper - diablo) ? | 21:33 |
| sin18 | oli : just saw your comment ... it is not working for me as well. I am using yahoo street for now till it gets resolved | 21:36 |
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| etrunko | beer time | 21:38 |
| johh | n800 running arch linux: http://img2.abload.de/img/rimg0008nupy.jpg arch linux on n800 | 21:38 |
| Corsac | really easy to log in without a keyboard ;p | 21:39 |
| mavhc | usb keyboard? | 21:40 |
| qwerty12_N800 | Configure to auto-login while having the partition mounted in Maemo? | 21:41 |
| tank-man | johh, might be the kernel you are using. what one is it? | 21:41 |
| johh | until now, i only have logged in via chroot but tomorrow i will get one of those usb adapters | 21:41 |
| qwerty12_N800 | Maybe not... I thought it had X running | 21:41 |
| johh | i'm using the standard maemo kernel | 21:42 |
| johh | x isn't yet ported to arm | 21:42 |
| johh | the project porting arch to arm platform is in an early stage | 21:42 |
| tank-man | you need to recompile the kernel with console support | 21:43 |
| johh | http://wiki.maemo.org/Advanced_booting#Boot_messages worked fine for me | 21:44 |
| tank-man | i dont know then | 21:44 |
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| thopiekar | any c++ developters here? | 22:34 |
| thopiekar | could someone please tell me how this can work? | 22:34 |
| thopiekar | mixxx 1.7.0~beta1 - waveformviewerfactory.cpp -- line 64 | 22:35 |
| thopiekar | if(visual != NULL) | 22:35 |
| thopiekar | delete visual; | 22:35 |
| thopiekar | are the "{" and "}" not missing? | 22:35 |
| thopiekar | how should i understand that? | 22:36 |
| kfx | they're not needed if there's only one line of code | 22:36 |
| Noma | if you have only one statement, you don't have to write { and } | 22:36 |
| qwerty12_N800 | For an if statement that only consists of one line, it's not needed | 22:36 |
| kfx | it's the same as if (visual != NULL) { delete visual; } | 22:36 |
| thopiekar | thanks | 22:37 |
| luke-jr | {} around a single statement is silly :/ | 22:37 |
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| luke-jr | isn't 'delete NULL;' valid, anyway? | 22:37 |
| kfx | delete null is a nop | 22:40 |
| kfx | according to ansi, anyhow | 22:40 |
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| LiraNuna | <kfx> delete null is a nop | 22:47 |
| LiraNuna | yeah there's no need to check | 22:47 |
| Firebird | delete checks it for you | 22:48 |
| thopiekar | the next line is the most silliest.. | 22:50 |
| thopiekar | if(visual != NULL) | 22:50 |
| thopiekar | delete visual; | 22:50 |
| thopiekar | visual = NULL; | 22:50 |
| thopiekar | "visual = NULL" overwrites "visual" so there is no need to delete it.. isn't it? | 22:51 |
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| kfx | freeing the memory and assigning NULL to the pointer are different things | 22:54 |
| thopiekar | but where is the difference of changing a value and freeing memory + setting a new value? | 22:55 |
| derf | If you don't understand that difference, you need to stop programming C++ right now. | 22:57 |
| thopiekar | :P | 22:57 |
| derf | Go use Python or something, you'll be happier, and the world much safer. | 22:58 |
| mavhc | and ram much fuller | 22:58 |
| * thopiekar is programing in python and c++ at school.. but it seems that I just learn there the basics of the basics :| | 22:59 | |
| amr | define school | 22:59 |
| derf | No, if he thinks it's okay to assign NULL to something instead of deleting it, I'm going to bet that the Python code will win on memory. | 22:59 |
| * thopiekar will be back in some minutes.. | 22:59 | |
| amr | i imagine being taught programming at highschool and college or university is very different | 22:59 |
| amr | well, i don't imagine :p | 22:59 |
| amr | it IS | 23:00 |
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| ShadowJK | thopiekar, if you just do visual = NULL; then congratulations, you've just leaked memory :) | 23:09 |
| ShadowJK | memory management is perhaps the most challenging part of C and C++, you have to do it yourself :) | 23:10 |
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| thopiekar | are there tutorials like python's: 'a byte of python' for c++? | 23:15 |
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| thopiekar | it looks like I have to get into c++ on myself :| | 23:16 |
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| ShadowJK | I'm "competent" in C, but I'm pretty lost with C++ :) | 23:19 |
| kfx | http://www.cplusplus.com | 23:19 |
| thopiekar | are there docus in german, too? | 23:20 |
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| kfx | no idea | 23:21 |
| thopiekar | don't seems so :| I should google about that.. | 23:22 |
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