IRC log of #maemo for Saturday, 2009-05-30

amrShadowJK is this the AGPS beta?00:01
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* b-man16 bugs luke-jr on #anime00:09
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stskeepsiejeremiah_: pong00:23
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luke-jrb-man16: FAIL00:39
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stskeepsieso you made it to the hostel, JesperHansen? :)00:45
JesperHansenThere are some pretty hot girls here.00:45
JesperHansenHow about your hotel? does it come with girls?00:45
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stskeepsieonly the one at the counter00:46
|Rmuch more difficult ;)00:46
stskeepsiebut yeah, hot girls there probably in your hostel00:46
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stskeepsiei'm engaged though so it's not as fun :P00:46
JesperHansenstskeepsie: "Who will know" :P00:46
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stskeepsiei will, and that's the worst hell. :P00:47
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JesperHansenhmm, free wifi here, but forgot to ask for the access code actually00:47
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JesperHansenI think one maemo weekend guy has already gone to sleep here00:48
JesperHansenthough I cant recognise anyone in darkness...00:48
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baconare you in the pub00:48
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JesperHansenCan anyone write some software for facial recognition for my brain?00:49
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JesperHansenRequirement is it must have nightvision00:49
qwerty12_N800Are you unplugged from the Matrix?00:50
baconjes who are you00:50
baconi was there b400:50
JesperHansenbacon: where?00:50
JesperHansenI am right in the café00:51
baconi was before too00:51
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baconi am in hotel now00:51
luke-jrcome play Yandere in #anime !00:52
JesperHansenbacon: I had a bacon sausage with bread on the way here. There's like the perfect combination of shops on the route to here.00:52
baconits student land lol00:52
JesperHansen<3 student land00:52
baconbut stskeeps warned us against00:52
JesperHansenAnd thank God he did. Now I have all the chicks and bacon for myself!00:53
baconmmm chicks?00:53
JesperHansenActually considered changing hotel, but this might just make up for the 400kr. in difference00:54
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JesperHansenToo tired to recharge laptop... Must resist sleeping...00:55
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baconso jasp00:55
JesperHansenScrew it! I'm gonna sleep. See you tomorrow.00:55
baconare you in student00:55
baconbye then00:55
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maddlerHello World!01:05
Stskeeps_'lo maddler01:05
maddlerhow's going here?01:06
maddlerI've been for quite a long time... :)01:06
Stskeeps_many of us are in copenhagen :P01:07
maddlerhehe :)01:07
Stskeeps_and bloody tired after a long day01:09
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etrunkoX-Fade: booo01:17
Pavlovvery tired01:17
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Pavlovtrying to finish prep for my talk in the morning01:18
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Macerhave to wake up early tomorrow to fly01:21
Maceri hate trips on airplanes01:21
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Pavlovwlel, really my demo01:30
etrunkoPlease write down your nicknames on your badges so we can know who is who01:31
Pavlovoh heh yeah01:32
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stskeepsieget some badges ;p01:35
Macerbadges? :)01:36
stskeepsie might apply to some discussions about device..01:36
Maceris that the kind of brief you're giving?01:37
stskeepsienah :)01:38
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wazdstskeepsie: is your Mer presentation tomorrow?01:39
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StsN800in 17 hrs01:39
wazdStsN800: good luck then :)01:39
wazdStsN800: I've done almost all that I could :)01:40
wazdStsN800: Can you send me the link to the final view of the slides? maybe I can change something01:40
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Macerwhat i would give for the G1 to have the N95's camera01:51
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Fuzzybunnydoes anyone know where I can find a mac guru to chat with02:32
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tank-manIm looking for a hot female to chat with03:21
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GAN800tank-man, you're in the wrong place. :P03:25
tank-manfuzzybunny is too unless his mac question has to do with maemo03:25
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Macerhave to fly to san diego and back tomorrow morn03:56
Macerthen back the same day :) talk about a wasted life03:56
Macersomeone really needs to work on this transporter thing03:56
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amrok someone enlighten me03:57
amri have /media/mmc1 and media/mmc203:57
amrinternal and external yeah03:57
amrbut what is / mounted to?03:57
amrwhere even03:57
amrand where is my homedir stored?03:57
amrwhere do apps install to as standard?03:57
tank-mandf or /etc/mtab (?) will show what root is mounted from03:59
tank-manhome is $HOME or ~04:00
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Maceri finished watching all the ncis seasons04:00
Maceri need something new to watch04:00
amri was just trying to install 'abuse' and it said there is no room left04:00
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amrand im looking at df now, / is at 98%04:01
amrwhile mmcblk0p1 is at 10% and mmcblk1p1 is at 32%04:01
Maceramr: you can boot from the sd04:01
amris it necessary?04:01
Macerand use that as /04:01
Macerprobably considering you're almost full :)04:01
amrmuch effort involved?04:02
Macernot really. i haven't done it in a while but it isn't too bad04:02
b-man16    -- this guy built a 2mhz cpu by hand using a logic board and hundreds of tranzisters lol lol04:02
Macerprobably best to use the internal sd to do it .. use an 8G and you're golden04:02
amrthe internal, as in the 2gb one?04:02
amror my actual card i put in04:02
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Macerwell. i know on an n800 there's an internal sd under the battery and one on the outside.04:03
amrthis is an n810 if it makes any difference04:03
Macerit's probably best to use the internal one04:03
Macersince you rarely take it out04:03
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Maceri'm pretty sure the n810 has both also.. but not positive04:03
Macernever had an n81004:03
amrnot a clue :p04:03
amrthings have sure changed since i had my 77004:04
Macerwhen i had my n800 i had an 8G internal and another one fr the external04:04
Macerafter i got my G1 though.. i stopped using my n800 :)04:05
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amroh, abuse DID install04:06
amroh it just wont run04:07
amrand its 2am... whoops04:07
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Macerhave to clear the hd stuff off my pch04:07
ShadowJK/ is on the 256MB onenand, /media/mmc2 is the internal 2GB MMC, /media/mmc1 is external SD04:08
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amrive filled 256 already?04:09
ShadowJKSo as a tip, keep all your files on one of the memory cards instead of your home directory :)04:10
ShadowJKAnd dedicate the tiny 256 to installing software04:10
amryeah thats quite annoying though04:10
amrhow do i access the internal card through the file manager?04:10
amris it actually there?04:10
ShadowJKin file manager you have "Nokia N810", "Internal memory card", "Removable memory card"04:11
amrill check now04:11
ShadowJK(and "Bluetooth" and "Shared folders")04:11
amrah so you do04:11
amrmy external memory card isn't named, how annoying04:12
ShadowJKif it's a new N810 you've probably for some user manuals, videos and mp3's inside the N810 tree :)04:12
MacerShadowJK: cups is like 100MB :)04:13
ShadowJKI imagine it would be if it includes all the printer drivers..04:13
amrthanks ShadowJK :)04:13
Macercups on the n800 was great04:14
Macerunfortunately though.. no openoffice port :-\04:14
ShadowJKI guess you can get that through debian chroot, though ooo is kinda slow even on desktop..04:15
Maceryou could run koffice in kde with it.. but i wanted openoffice with cups support04:15
Macerused to use it on a G3.. it wasn't too bad and that thing is a piece of junk :)04:15
Maceri think the cpu was slower than the n80004:15
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ShadowJKI actually use gnumeric on desktop too :-)04:15
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Maceri know abiword for maemo didn't have cups support04:16
Maceror printing support at all for that matter04:16
Maceri still wanted the .od* support ... ah well. doesn't matter anymore04:17
Maceri will just patiently wait for androffice :)04:17
ShadowJKI have this feeling quickoffice that came preinstalled on my E75 doesn't support ods :)04:17
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Macerquickoffice supports ms office 07/0804:18
Macerand rtf too right?04:18
Maceri have it on my n9504:18
Macerwhich is another reason i wished my damn n95 would work on tmob 3G04:18
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Macerbut it's ok. once androffice comes out it will all be worth it :)04:19
Macerespecially since i got hid working on my G104:20
amrbed time :)04:20
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Macerso i can use a keyboard with it04:20
Macersleep is a crutch04:20
Macerpiece of crap popcornhour nic04:21
Macerthey need to make a model with a gbit nic in it04:22
Macerat least it plays videos well :)04:22
ProteousI would get a popcorn hour if the interface was cool04:23
Proteousand they got rid of the stupid popcorn logo branding04:23
MacerProteous: it's not that bad04:23
Macerbranding? :)04:23
Macerwhy wouldn't they brand their product?04:24
ProteousI like boxee on my appleTV with the downside of the hardware being too slow for 1080p stuff04:24
ProteousI don't mind branding04:24
Proteousjust mind their logo04:24
Macerwell. its h264 decoder can play 1080p stuff without a problem04:24
Macerfrom my fileserver.. it's great :)04:24
Proteousthe hardware looks great04:25
Macerit's a little flakey every now and then.. maybe once in a great while it might mess up on me. but for the most part i think it's awesome04:25
ProteousI stream dvds and dled TV from my media server to my appletv04:25
Maceri do the same with my pch04:25
Maceri have an old eva700 upstairs (netgear piece of absolute crap)04:26
Maceri use the pch to stream to it04:26
Maceri use it so my son can watch cartoons on it :)04:26
Macerchildren are so spoiled these days.. i remember when watching cartoons was a 3 hour window on tv04:26
Macernow they have 24/7 cartoon channels... dvds... files to download04:27
Maceror you had to wait until saturday when the real good cartoons would come on :)04:27
Macermy son is 3 and he knows there are cartoons somewhere04:27
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Macerif i told him they weren't on to try to trick him he would look at me like i'm stupid04:28
Macerand use the controller to get to them :) he cracks me up sometimes04:28
Maceri need to set up identd.. later04:31
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Maceranybody here set up identd in debian?04:43
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Macerhm. hellanzb seems to be going rather slow on the artigo :)05:26
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rm_youtime to be bored for a couple hours while i wait for people to wake up and my computer's battery dies like... now05:36
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CutMeOwnThroat10pm here05:55
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johnxI'm on UGT05:58
z4chhCutMeOwnThroat, ahhh central timer i see05:58
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wjs_ltopjohnx: I understand that you have Mer running on a Zaurus?05:58
wjs_ltophows it compare to running on the N8x0?05:59
johnxI need to polish it up a little and integrate it into the new imager before I want to release it though05:59
johnxit's a lot slower05:59
wjs_ltopI have a 310005:59
johnxprobably about the same speed (or maybe a little faster) than the 77005:59
johnxbut the zaurus has an older generation processor, half the RAM and slower I/O05:59
johnxa 3100 might actually do better than my c100006:00
johnxI/O to the internal CF should be faster than I/O to SD06:00
zakkmjohnx: hows the danish weekend going?06:00
johnxgood good, got in yesterday afternoon and did some site seeing, today it's down to work though :)06:01
wjs_ltopprocessor's the same though..  But it's a real HD.06:01
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wjs_ltopyes, the SD is really slow on the Z06:01
z4chhjohnx, have you seen lcuk yet?06:01
johnxwjs_ltop: nope, processor in the Zaurus cxx00 is an armv5te with no FPU and the processor in the n8x0 is an armv6e with vector floating point06:01
johnxz4chh: yup06:02
wjs_ltopno, I meant between the 1000 and the 3100..06:02
johnxz4chh he's a floor above me :)06:02
wjs_ltopcomparing Z to Z ?06:02
johnxwjs_ltop: nope, you're right06:02
johnxthought you were saying Z vs N :)06:02
z4chhjohnx, can you tell him to his face "zach be a work'in hard why mastah is gone" ;p06:03
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Macernice to see that rtorrent can move stuff to a "complete" dir :)06:03
Maceri remmeber that being a problem06:03
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johnxz4chh: ahaha, ok06:05
z4chhjohnx, he'll get a kick out of it...might start a his gsoc student06:05
johnxah, right. :) forgot about that06:05
johnxtalked to him a couple times already about mapping in liqbase06:06
johnxhe does the best demos :)06:06
Macerunrar doesn't seem to be working right06:06
johnxer, it has weird command line switches06:07
Macerrar uncompressed it but unrar doesn't06:07
Macerwtf is going on :)06:07
Macerfor extraction?06:07
johnxit's like unrar x file.rar06:07
Macershouldn't it be like unrar x06:07
Maceryeah.. that's what it is :) rar works but unrar gives me an error06:07
johnxwell, then I guess unrar is broken :)06:07
Maceri think so06:07
Macermaybe can just replace the bin with rar since the flags are about the same for uncompressing06:08
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Maceri replaced unrar-free with unrar06:12
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Macerit was the unrar-free06:26
Macerjust goes to show :)06:26
kfxfolks, moblin kicks a moderate amount of ass06:26
kfxeven if it is a ram-hungry monster06:27
johnxtoo bad intel went away from the MID part of moblin long ago06:28
kfxthe interface is okay if you're a mousey type06:29
kfxthey preinstall all the pimlico-project apps :V06:29
johnxexactly, it went from an MID interface to a netbook interface06:30
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johnxas a netbook interface it actually looks pretty darn nice :)06:30
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kfxI'm not really a mouse guy, so it's not for me06:31
kfxbut it's highly polished06:31
johnxcool to see them actually finish something06:31
kfxshame they based so much of it on gnome, though06:31
johnxalso nice to see them working with nokia on pfono06:31
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kfxyeah I'm all frightened and confused by intel these days06:32
kfxI want to hate them because I remember when they were evil, but they seem to be trying hard these days06:32
acydlordas long as intel doesnt pull an ibm i wont be too scared06:32
acydlordremember when they were evil?06:33
acydlordthey still are06:33
acydlordthey just got hosed in the EU for paying companies to not use amd06:33
acydlordand they are still in court over the same thing here06:33
GiantTalkingCowWhat's Intel rumored to be up to now?06:33
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kfxyeah, I know, but at least they're churning out code these days06:34
kfxwhich is more than amd has ever done06:34
acydlordpaying vendors not to use or sell competitors chips06:34
johnxkfx: well, they have radeon drivers that are open source at least06:34
acydlordyeah, all the ati stuff is being worked on06:34
GiantTalkingCowacydlord: Oh that, that's old news... at least they're being held accountable.06:34
acydlordnot to mention for about 5 years there intel was building their procs off of amd whitepapers06:35
johnxacydlord: yeah, I'm waiting for equal performance to the windows drivers before I jump on an ATi chip again06:35
kfxintel video drivers are fabulous06:35
johnxso are nvidia drivers06:35
acydlordyeah, but intel video cards are crap06:35
johnxand in nvidia's case the drivers are attached to fast, cheap cards06:36
acydlordnot hard to make a driver work well for a vid card that will do 64mb max06:36
kfxnvidia drivers give me a lot of problems06:36
kfxprimarily multimonitor/xrandr support06:36
acydlordyeah, i quit bothering with nvidia drivers awhile back06:36
zakkmintel opensources there drivers for linux06:36
zakkmyou cant get better than that ;p06:36
johnxacydlord, yeah, be nice if they fixed that one of these years06:37
acydlordespecially when they hosed the whole stack for vista and linux around the same time06:37
kfxmy last desktop was amd and nvidia06:38
kfxnot getting burned again06:38
acydlordat least nvidia has tesla going for it06:38
kfxcurrently intel and nvidia, but my next video card will be intel06:38
kfxI don't game so I don't need ricer stuff, but I'll give money to companies who use FOSS06:38
johnxmy next x86 machine will be a laptop so it'll be intel/intel for me06:38
johnxbut last time I played with it, intel stuff had some amount of trouble with compiz compared to nvidia cards06:39
kfxI just spent $53k on a cluster from dell that'll be shipping with centos06:39
kfxwell, on behalf of my employer I spent that :V06:39
johnxugh, centos06:39
kfxcentos > ms server 2k806:39
kfxI'll take what I can get06:39
GiantTalkingCowWhen it comes to gaming, it's been my experience that ATI's currently at the top of the heap. Even their midrange stuff packs a lot of bang for the buck.06:39
johnxfair enough06:39
acydlordmy aspire one is the first thing intel i've bought since 9706:40
kfxstrangely, dell wasn't willing to preinstall slackware on my systems06:40
johnxbut centos > a kick in the face > ms server 2k806:40
kfxcentos > debian == a kick in the face > ms server 2k806:40
acydlordi wouldnt call deb a kick in the face06:40
johnxfair enough, I'll drop the distro bashing :)06:40
kfxI'd like to thank debian, ubuntu, and fedora for all shipping broken mptsas drivers in their latest kernels!06:41
kfxI got lots of overtime pay dealing with that mess06:41
acydlordi'm still baffled by the fact that the latest ubuntu update went around muting the pcm volume06:43
johnxheh, I got some good weekend overtime pay unwedging rhel4 after a security update rendered it unbootable06:43
kfxjohnx: hahah06:43
kfxthe most secure computer is one that won't start06:43
acydlordi dumped redhat for centos a few cycles back06:43
johnxit just would be nice if they gave me some release notes about that "intended feature"06:43
kfxacydlord: when society breaks down and there is no law I'm going to kidnap the pulseaudio and gstreamer devs and make them use their own software without root access06:44
acydlordkfx, lmao06:44
acydlordpulseaudio is the worst thing to happen to linux since mark shuttleworth06:44
kfxin order to be allowed to leave they'll have to apologize to the alsa devs06:44
kfxpulseaudio, gstreamer, arts, esd -- these are things I work to keep off my nx servers06:45
GiantTalkingCowacydlord: You're close, but the real worst thing to happen to linux is actually the KDE and Gnome devs' mania for "improving" their DEs by throwing tried and true UI ideas out the window and replacing them with something that might work two years from now.06:46
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kfxone time as a joke I switched one of the nx servers over to fvwm carefully configured to look like stock ubuntu gnome06:46
zakkmpulseaudio is crap06:46
acydlord"lets see how shiny and off the wall we can make it"06:46
zakkmalsa is the best06:46
zakkmeven uninstalled pulse to install alsa in the past06:47
acydlordi'm quite the fan of dwm or openbox06:47
* kfx is running dwm right now06:47
zakkmacydlord: you ever try pekwm?06:47
GiantTalkingCowI just got a look at what's planned for Gnome 3.0 last week... what the hell are they thinking? "Menus are so yesterday! Let's make the users drag each program to a virtual desktop instead!"06:47
acydlordopensuse is the worst when it comes to audio06:47
acydlordtook me like 30 mins to get alsa on there06:47
acydlordhavent tried pekwm06:47
zakkmacydlord: its like a more lightweight openbox, same nothing on screen, right click menu appears06:48
acydlordGiantTalkingCow, i think they've been looking at the palm pre too much06:48
GiantTalkingCowPekwm is quite nice, but could be more configurable.06:48
kfxI think GiantTalkingCow is being facetious06:48
kfxpekwm is configurable to a fault06:48
acydlordi'll have to check it out zakkm, i'm looking for an alternate wm for the distro branch im working on06:48
zakkmi still prefer fluxbox the most, really like one of the themes06:49
zakkmcarb i think its called? its been along time hah06:49
zakkmstarted with a c06:49
kfxI used fluxbox, long ago06:49
GiantTalkingCowkfx: Then I've mixed it up with one of the other similar WMs, my mistake. And no, GiantTalkingCow isn't being facetious... the Gnome devs actually have gone crazy. Let me find a link to a video of the new UI concept.06:49
kfxGiantTalkingCow: no, the gnome devs have always been insane06:49
zakkmi went to mac osx about two years, never touched linux since, though i help a friend out go over sometimes and help, so i sort of keep up-to-date a bit06:49
zakkmGiantTalkingCow: id like to see that too06:50
GiantTalkingCowkfx: Maybe so, but they used to errr on the side of caution. Now they've gone bananas.06:50
kfxif you want proof, hit alt+f2 and type gegls from outer space or free the fish and hit enter06:50
kfxafter using dwm for a couple years I get annoyed when I have to manually position windows06:51
* johnx actually likes gnome ...06:51
zakkmi like gnome too :(06:51
zakkmmostly cause of gtk theming06:51
zakkmbut yeah :D06:51
kfxother things that now annoy me include: title bars, borders bigger than 1px, anything that can't be accessed directly via keyboard06:51
johnxzakkm: actually, I like gnome better than osx :)06:52
GiantTalkingCow Here's a demo... let me see if I can't find a more comprehensive one.06:52
zakkmkfx: borders bigger than 1px can be controlled by gtk theme06:52
zakkmjohnx: so do i, but then again i skin mac i DO NOT LEAVE IT DEFAULT :P06:52
zakkmahh i like mac way more06:52
GiantTalkingCowThis video's a bit choppy, but you'll get the general idea.06:52
GiantTalkingCowThe default OS X skin hurts my eyes... too shiny. I went with one called Metal Muku instead. So much nicer.06:52
johnxzakkm: I don't have enough time in the day to bother trying to hack around everything that annoys me in mac os x06:53
kfxthe default osx skin hurts me too, but mostly because whenever I see it I know I'm about to get RSI06:53
acydlordosx is too mickey moused for my tastes06:53
kfxemphasis on "mouse"06:53
zakkmshould i screenshot for you guys?06:53
johnxacydlord: actually, the keyboard shortcuts on it are one of the things I like06:53
zakkmshow you what i mean?06:53
johnxzakkm: it's not the look, it's the feel06:54
GiantTalkingCowkfx: Since when? Install quicksilver and do everything on the Mac by keyboard instead.06:54
zakkmthe feel is perfect!06:54
kfxdoes osx have a tiling window manager yet06:54
zakkmwhats that?06:54
johnxzakkm: unless what you want differs with what apple thinks you should use06:54
acydlordon my last openbox install i had everything with keyboard shortcuts06:54
johnxkfx: it doesn't even let you snap windows to each other (or even to screen edges)06:55
GiantTalkingCowNative? No. But then again you can just install X11 and use a standard tiling window manager. I have to say I don't see the appeal of them myself.06:55
kfxjohnx: wow06:55
kfxthat's awful06:55
kfxGiantTalkingCow: do you have to install something every time you have to configure things?06:55
johnxand click to focus makes me want to kill sometimes06:55
kfxthe most I interact with a mac is when I ssh into one to make sure it's authenticating against my ldap server06:56
GiantTalkingCowkfx: Generally, no.06:56
johnxkfx: I have a work macbook06:56
zakkm sorry guys took long06:56
zakkmhow can you tell me that looks ugly?06:56
acydlordi couldnt justify the price of mac hardware, especially with their failure rate, just to hack osx into looking like a free linux system06:56
johnxzakkm: I never said anything about looks, but it doesn't solve any of the problems I have with mac :)06:57
kfxwe havea a 65% failure rate on the mac pro motherboards here06:57
zakkmyou guys like the screenshot?06:57
zakkmthink i skinned nicely/06:57
zakkmits a hackintosh, but i did it properly , bought the right hardware and such06:57
johnxyeah, looks nice. the default looks nice too. and so does wmaker06:57
kfxstill waiting for imageshack to answer packets06:57
acydlordit smells of turtlenecks and bloated senses of self entitlement still06:58
zakkmkfx: refresh?06:58
johnxanyways, got breakfast to eat and hacking to do :)06:58
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GiantTalkingCowUse instead of imageshack next time... it's generally not lag-prone.06:58
zakkmive never seen lag in imageshack?06:59
zakkmim just so used to the ui and such06:59
GiantTalkingCowHey, seeing as this is the maemo channel, have any of you ever used the Nokia n810 internet tablet?07:00
zakkmi own a n800 ?07:01
kfxFirefox can't find the server at
zakkmkfx: lame, onesec07:01
acydlordmy n810 is keeping my bed warm for me and blinking away so i can find it in the dark07:01
GiantTalkingCowacydlord: I'm considering buying one... would you say that the keyboard is any good?07:01
kfxI love the n810 keyboard07:01
zakkmGiantTalkingCow: alot of people complain, some dont07:02
zakkmGiantTalkingCow: the GPS on it is crap , so dont get it for that07:02
acydlordit like it for the most part07:02
acydlordzakkm, gps seems to be working beter for me with the tinygpsd and agps installed07:02
acydlordabout 5-10min to fix cold07:02
zakkmits just what ive heard / read in all my maemo life07:02
acydlordabout 1-5 mins till fix warm07:02
acydlordbut for the most part its shit07:03
acydlordonly a couple magnatudes better than cell triangulation07:03
GiantTalkingCowI'm mostly getting it for the apps and keyboard. I had an iPod Touch that I'd gotten as a present, but half a year later I'm fed up with the damn software keyboard, so I'm looking around for a more full featured gadget to use as my PDA.07:03
acydlordthe OSKs on the NITs are much better than that crap on the iPoo07:04
zakkmcant beat the ipod firmware :P07:04
zakkmwell depends how techy you are07:04
zakkmend user - ipod is unbeatable07:04
GiantTalkingCowzakkm: I beg to differ.07:04
acydlordi dont like the ipod, its not tech, its a toy07:04
zakkmtechy, into ssh and such messing with gtk themes, window managers and such.. n8x0's will win07:05
zakkmif your here chances are you would choose tablet over ipod07:05
zakkmbut in school, everyday ppl on the street.. you put both side by side07:05
zakkmthe ipod would win by far07:05
acydlordmostly due to branding07:05
acydlordi actually went a few years using NITs as my main mobile computer07:06
zakkmits a good product07:06
GiantTalkingCowzakkm: I'm not so sure. It makes a better first impression, but once you ask people what they'd like their device to do, it doesn't hold up so well. It has a nice UI, I'll give it that.07:06
zakkmbetter music management07:06
acydlordnot to mention the NITs and the ipod/iphone are designed for completely different reasons07:07
zakkmyeah thats what i mean07:07
zakkmtechy - n8x0's ... end user - ipod07:07
acydlordi'm a member of the camp of having a different device for each purpose07:07
acydlordi have an mp3 player, phone, tablet, laptop, etc07:07
GiantTalkingCowThe App Store is the iPhone's Achilles' Heel. It's chock full of shovelware, and has no real way to search through it to find the gems. (and there are quite a few)07:08
acydlordanywho i'm off to play some streetfighter07:09
kfxthat's how I like my computers07:10
kfxas for the n810 it's the lcars-complete theme all the way07:10
zakkmmight i add, ew07:10
kfxzero garbage07:10
zakkmzero UI07:11
zakkmthat looks very unproductive07:11
kfxI don't measure productivity by the amount of crap I can cram into a screen07:11
kfxI still don't get titlebars07:11
kfxwhy do you need the window labeled?  can't you tell what it is by looking at it?07:12
zakkmminimize, maximize, close ( linux /windows way anyways)07:12
zakkmnot always07:12
zakkmif you run a terminal app07:12
zakkmlike irssi07:12
zakkmwouldnt you like to know its irssi?07:12
zakkmnot everoyne can tell by looking at the window07:12
kfxwith dwm, there's no need to do minimize or maximize07:12
kfxand close is a keyboard shortcut07:12
kfxif you can't tell irc by looking at it, it won't be an issue because you won't be using irc07:13
zakkmive tried all those07:13
zakkmstill prefer proper DE07:13
zakkmof some sort07:13
kfxI've been using dwm since a couple months after it came out07:13
kfxI like computers much better when I don't have to do their job for them07:13
zakkmolder ?07:13
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zakkmim guessing your a debian user07:14
kfxlord god no07:14
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kfxequally offensive, but for different reasons07:15
kfxI like a distro that doesn't molest upstream source, but also isn't some kind of ricer festival07:15
cmugyay, I compiled and succesfully ran hello world on fremantle07:15
kfxslackware as often as possible07:15
zakkmslackware ..07:16
zakkmpiece of garbage imo07:17
Maceri think i need to put this back on the main server. hellanzb is going extremely slow07:17
Maceri guess 1GHz is kind of slow :)07:18
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* zakkm has a overclocked 3ghz machine.. overclocked from 2ghz to 3ghz07:18
kfxzakkm: it probably looks scary from inside the RDF, I guess07:18
Macerzakkm: i don't think i would have much luck trying to oc a C707:20
Maceri'm just not getting the download speeds i was getting from the dual dual core 1.8GHz fileserver07:21
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|troy|Hmmm. crowded in here07:22
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JesperHansenThis Hostel has everything now. Even a drunk guy standing up in the middle of the night and peeing in another guys bed. Good thing there was no one there in that bed :P07:23
TroyRolloI seem to be having some difficulty with getting the QEMU environment described by Marcin Juszkiewicz to work - keep getting a white screen when starting up, and then nothing further. Any ideas?07:24
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stskeepsiemorning rm_you07:31
rm_youbeen up since like 4 but powerless :P07:31
stskeepsieprolly gonna nap Ã1 more hr myself07:31
JesperHansenrm_you: People waking up at the cabinn?07:32
rm_youyeah looks like07:32
rm_youi also thought the thing was at 9 but this sheet says it is at 10 and recommends we be there by 9:3007:32
rm_youanyone else at the Cabinn have breakfast plans?07:32
JesperHansenrm_you: Perhaps go down and see if there's anyone there not plugged into the matrix07:33
stskeepsierm_you: 8.30 we plan to meet up07:34
stskeepsietheeres breakfast at hotel. if they tell you otherwise tell them to call william07:35
StsN800so if you need food now i think its open07:36
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rm_youoh ok07:36
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rm_youwe'll check it out in a minute then07:36
JesperHansenjohnx: a good morning to another dane.07:37
JesperHansen(at least for the danish hostmask that is)07:37
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StsN800right, bbl 1hr. nap07:43
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MacerJesperHansen: the danes saved all their jews before they could be rounded up by the nazis to be killed08:03
Macersounds like a good place to live08:04
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zakkmMacer: still reading on WW2/holocaust?08:05
Macernaw. i'm done.08:05
Macerpretty messed up stuff08:05
JesperHansenMacer: good to know08:05
Macerduring the final days of the war.. they were trying their best to kill as many people as possible. huge trainloads of people were all just brought straight to the chambers08:06
Macerthat is just like.. seriously messed up08:06
Maceri mean if you saw the pictures of them getting off the trains.. there were thousands08:06
Maceri don't understand how people could kill small children like that08:07
zakkmMacer: most died on the train itself, there was no room to move or breath08:08
Macerthere was one death camp that they made look like a train stop. and they didn't realize that they were going into a gas chamber. they thought they were just going ot take showers08:08
Macerthe camp had no other purpose other than to kill people08:09
rm_youMacer: morbid topic of conversation for this early in the morning O_o08:09
Macerit's midnight ;)08:09
rm_youthat's pretty early in the morning :P08:09
Maceror very late at night08:09
rm_youyeah <_<08:10
JesperHansenMacer: try to keep up with the worlds center :P08:10
Maceri consider it morning around 308:10
Maceri dont go off zulu time :)08:10
rm_youlol well, heading down to breakfast08:10
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zakkmMacer: where in the world are you08:14
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JesperHansenanother Dane08:17
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wazd <- Jesus Christ!08:20
JesperHansenwazd: notice the high number of danish hostmasks here today :P08:21
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* rm_you actually goes to breakfast08:22
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CutMeOwnThroatMacer, hey neighbor08:25
zakkmlol your all at the hotel?08:27
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CutMeOwnThroateh, keep yer fingers to yerself!08:38
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luke-jrCutMeOwnThroat: it wasn't a finger08:39
* johnx and rm-you are downstairs eating breakfast08:40
CutMeOwnThroatit was a whole hand!08:40
CutMeOwnThroatok, so I'm lying about my client anyway...08:42
StsN800johnx, no issues?08:48
Macerok 4 good songs on the fray cd08:51
Macersay when is an awesome song08:51
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johnxthe coffee is actually pretty good08:52
baconjohnx which, the crappy cups08:55
baconor are you downstairs already08:55
Macerdoes the cup make the coffee? :)08:55
baconif there is no handle you cannot sit and enjoy as well, and its polystyrene as well08:56
baconitx like fakon08:57
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johnxrm_you, ping :D11:06
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rm_youjohnx: pong11:07
rm_youjohnx: mums? :P11:10
johnxyeah,that'd be neat. dunno if we have time11:10
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rm_youit is... not that much to do11:11
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stskeepsiejeremiah_: ping12:28
jeremiah_stskeepsie: I wanted to know where you were in Real Life, but now I know!12:30
stskeepsiejeremiah_: you are working on maemian and such during this weekend?12:31
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stskeepsiejeremiah_: because if so me and lbt has a idea to discuss two things: packaging policy, and maemian and scratchboxisms12:35
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X-FadeSooo, they seem to take the coffee away :(12:49
X-FadeLet's hope they replace it with lunch :)12:50
andre__coffee fail.12:50
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etrunkoX-Fade: btw, never trust devices running on batteries to wake you up12:59
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qwerty12Is it just me or does hildon-desktop crash if you give it a desktop file with the X-Osso-Service field having a D-Bus service name that contains a hyphen?13:22
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yergaqwerty12, it crashes with a hyphen13:37
yergabtw, what's up? ;)13:38
yerganice to see you again13:38
yergaI thought you had leave us13:38
qwerty12Thanks yerga, nothing much, I've had exams the past week (this week is a free week) :)13:39
yergahehe exams, I start the next week13:40
qwerty12Heh, you do chemistry right? I'm pretty sure yours will be a lot more harder than mine :P :D13:42
yergaI imagine quantum chemistry will be more difficult but the others don't think so ;)13:43
qwerty12Bleh, built libsdl-perl against libsdl-mixeroggwav1.2 and Frozen Bubble still won't play sounds in ogg files13:45
b0unc3good morning13:46
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b0unc3i have a problem with the hildon_banner...
b0unc3the banner never come up13:49
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X-FadeOk, lunch was not half bad :)14:34
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* GAN8001 does not feel like joining twitter for some stupid feed.14:39
GAN8001Why do we need a separe #mozmae channel, anyway?14:39
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X-Fade and enter mozmae ;)14:41
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GAN8001Doesn't work14:48
Myrttithey're tweeting slow14:48
GAN8001That should be "twitter fail"14:48
* lbt sits down14:52
Pavlovso tired.14:53
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amoultdoes N810 come with any kind of memory card?15:00
amoultI mean is there any mini sd card in sales package15:01
GAN8001amoult, 256MB, I believe.15:02
amoultI was just about to go to buy a memory card for N810 I just recently bought15:04
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mavhcdon't think mine came with one15:04
amoultwhen I found 4gig class 4 card inside, which the seller didn't mention about (second hand unit) :D15:04
kfxmy 810 didn't come with one15:11
mavhcwhen will 16GB microsd cards be only twice the price of 8GB ones?15:11
X-Fademavhc: After the 32GB ones show up?15:12
x29aanybody from germany in here? i have a spare n81015:14
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GAN8001bergie, ping?15:22
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GAN8001bergie, any chance on a screenshot of the fixed Midgard toolbar?15:23
bergieah... completely forgotten about it15:23
bergieI'm hacking on something right now, but I'll get back to you15:23
GAN8001OK, thanks.15:24
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GAN8001There were some complaints on Talk about the floating bar the other day which is what reminded me.15:24
X-FadeGAN8001: You really should have been here btw ;)15:24
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X-FadeGAN8001: Make sure you have your agenda locked for the summit at least!15:26
GAN8001X-Fade, yeah, passport, work, etc.15:26
X-FadeNo excuses ;)15:27
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GAN8001X-Fade, anyway, there's no need to make me feel worse early on a Saturday morning. :P15:27
X-FadeOh, I know of several things to add to the pain ;)15:29
GAN8001Alright, time for work.15:30
GAN8001Enjoy your hacking, you bastards.15:30
Pavlovwhy aren't you here??15:30
GAN8001Pavlov, a variety of reasons.15:31
Pavlovah well -- next time?15:31
GAN8001None of them very good individually, but adding up in aggregate.15:31
GAN8001Planning on the Summit.15:31
Pavlovi'm going to try ot make it as well15:31
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kkrustyare there any plans to add support to google tasks to erminig?15:34
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kkrustys/support to/support for/15:34
infobotkkrusty meant: are there any plans to add support for google tasks to erminig?15:34
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minrabrowser is hanging on "UpdatingS...15:48
minrabrowser is hanging on "Updating"15:48
minraknown problem since yesterday?15:48
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kkrustyminra: restart the browser service15:56
minraty kkrusty !!15:57
kkrustywell maybe try that. I dont know too much but thats what I did when that happened to me15:57
GAN800 /etc/init.d/tablet-browser-daemo restart15:59
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kkrustyGAN800 aww I was just going to type that15:59
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kkrustyyou stole my moment :)16:00
GAN800While trying to find a lightswitch, even. :P16:01
kkrustyGAN800 I hate to be persistant but any idea how I could get any todo management service to work on maemo?16:02
* Stskeeps_ yawns16:02
minrastill hangs on updating16:02
minrawho supports tear browser?16:02
minraid use that, but it has broken copy/paste16:02
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Macerwaiting to board a plane16:13
Macerat least the airport isnt jammed packed16:13
Macerone thing to thank a collapsed economy on16:14
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minradont let the tsa goons steal your laptop16:14
minracan i reinstall browser to fix?  or disable "updating"?16:16
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minracan xchat remember my channels?16:19
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GAN800minra, did you restart it?16:21
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minrayes GAN80016:23
qwerty12_N800As root?16:23
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minraNokia-N810-43-7:~# /etc/init.d/tablet-browser-daemon restart16:24
kkrustyminra: how about restarting the tablet?16:25
kkrustywhy is it that todo list synchronisation is so neglected?16:26
minrathe microsoft solution?16:26
kkrustyminra: unfortunately yes16:26
GAN800kkrusty, people don't buy these things for PIM.16:26
GAN800Plus, it's not an easy solution to put together.16:26
minradaemo and daemon exist16:27
minradaemon is empty16:27
minraNokia-N810-43-7:~# /etc/init.d/tablet-browser-daemo restart16:27
minrash: /etc/init.d/tablet-browser-daemo: Permission denied16:28
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minra-rw-r--r--    1 root     root            0 May 30 13:00 tablet-browser-daemo16:29
kkrustyGAN800: Well calendars work and I was thinking that todo list synchronisation can only be easier than this16:30
qwerty12_N800minra: to save time:
minracant paste link into tear browser lol16:32
minraty qwerty12_N80016:33
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kkrustyGAN800: also there isnt anything for symbian either.16:35
kkrustyGAN800: well actually theres one application but it costs money :(16:35
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* kkrusty doesnt want to buy an iphone16:39
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* stskeepsie neither16:43
minraty ty qwerty12_N800 - fixed16:46
qwerty12_N800cool :)16:46
minrawhy did they get baleeted?16:46
minramysterious universe16:46
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JesperHansenHappy Caturday!16:48
stskeepsieqwerty12_N800: you're really missing out here :P16:49
qwerty12_N800stskeepsie: heh, what's it like there? :)16:49
stskeepsiequite nice atmosphere and relaxed16:50
stskeepsiea lot of hacking16:50
JesperHansenAnd in the presence of girls. Now that's not what you see everyday.16:52
Sconkthere is more guys whit long hair then girls in here..16:53
JesperHansenSconk: Are you talking about the bold guy?16:54
Sconkbold ?16:54
JesperHansenor bald might work as well16:56
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Myrttioh for gods sake...17:19
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Myrttixournal is being idiot17:22
Myrttiannotated a pdf in Ubuntu, moved the damn thing on my n800 and it doesn't work.17:22
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* Stskeeps_ is just nervous before his presentation :P17:23
Stskeeps_either that or i have bad caffeine jitters17:24
Myrttithe stupid xoj-files have static link to the pdf?17:24
Stskeeps_so it's a overlay?17:24
Myrttioh for fucks sake17:24
Myrttiof course it can't find the pdf from /home/myrtti/pdf/aquila.pdf17:24
MyrttiDAMN YOU17:24
Myrttiidiotic software is being idiotic17:25
Myrttier, and the xoj-file isn't even a sane xml?17:25
Myrttiwhat idiocy is this?17:26
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Myrtti"so since we can't have the co-operation module that our inspiration of a software has, we decided to make the cooperation as difficult as possible. Screw you guys!"17:29
Myrtti</cartman chuckle>17:30
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b0unc3guys i have a problem with the hildon_banner... ... the banner never come up...17:34
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minragrape sized single-cell organism found17:43
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amrim using the maps app17:45
amrand in the sat display thing17:45
amrit says 2 with an 8 under it17:45
amrbtu i still have no location info available17:45
amrat what point will i actually have that info available? :p17:46
minrayou need like 4-5 sats17:46
minralet the device rest n the open,  outside, away from buildings,  for z minutes17:47
minraif you bought n810 for gps, return it17:48
amri didnt17:48
amrbut if its included, itd be nice to get a signal17:48
amrjust once17:48
minraimportant to not mive it at all while getting a lock17:48
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rm_youX-Fade: someday this will actually finish uploading to the builder :P18:10
X-Faderm_you: Shall I just copy the diablo version to the builder?18:11
rm_youcan try18:11
rm_youthat is 0.15-0?18:12
X-Faderm_you: You tell me ;)18:12
* rm_you checks18:12
rm_youyes, looking like 0.15-0, should work18:12
X-Fadeok, moment ;)18:12
rm_youeventually this upload of 0.15-2 might go through but it is all Mer changes so whatev18:12
rm_youmight fail18:14
rm_youseem to recall my last attempt failing on fremantle possibly... never checked why, could have been that i386 issue i had18:15
rm_youtimeless says he's here, BTW18:15
rm_youhe is in the presentation room18:15
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rm_youwell at least i get logs18:16
rm_youE: Couldn't find package libhildondesktop-dev18:17
rm_youis that... gone? renamed?18:17
johnxhey rm_you18:18
johnxuhm, let me search quick18:18
rm_youlol k18:18
X-FadeI have no idea.18:18
rm_youwill ask the fremantle people when I get out, too18:18
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yergait was renamed to libhildondesktop1-dev18:26
rm_youis the only change I need to make just renaming that in debian/control? or does it affect other things18:29
qwerty12Is diablo's python2.5-pygame still maintained?18:30
rm_youjoy... get to sit through uploading again18:31
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rm_youmight be faster outside this room18:34
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rm_youit would be way faster if I exported all the extra icons to an icons package <_<18:34
rm_youwould prolly be good, long run18:35
rm_youless up/down, since it would like never change18:35
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JesperHansenrm_you: you're suppose to listen to the presentations :P18:35
rm_youi was18:36
JesperHansenDistracted by shiny object?18:36
rm_youlol yeah walk out here and it finishes like instantly18:36
rm_youworking on getting ABL into fremantle-extras-devel so i can install it on the tablets here18:36
rm_youand see how it works18:36
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rm_youyerga: ok so what is "hildon-desktop-dev" called now?18:47
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RST38hme heya18:48
yergarm_you, that should be in libhildondesktop1-dev package too18:49
yergawhat need you from hildon-desktop-dev?18:50
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rm_youhonestly, at this point, i'm not even sure >_<18:50
rm_youthanks for the tip tho18:50
rm_youyerga: what about hildon-control-panel-dev?18:51
* RST38h is getting gprs packets in groups of three every 15 secs or so18:51
RST38hpidgeons might have worked better really...18:52
kfxdesktop tower defense is boring; RST38h is playing desktop packet defense18:52
yergarm_you, hildon-control-panel-dev exists in fremantle18:52
rm_youah, k18:52
kfxRST38h: soon the packets will get stronger and come in bigger groups.  Make sure your device can shoot them down before they get your base!18:52
yergarm_you, but are you sure that the fremantle version supports statusbar plugins?18:53
rm_youno :P18:53
RST38hwont get stronger, unless mts puts in another tower18:53
RST38h(back to tower defense)18:53
rm_youi'm finding out18:53
yergaor is there nice devices in the meeting?18:53
RST38hit does not, not in the present form18:53
rm_youthey have the prototypes, was going to try to  install and see what happens O_o18:54
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RST38hbtw, I now have another weird reason for having two devices (tablet+phone)18:58
RST38hyou place phone at the spot with good gsm signal and use tablet from somewhere comfortable nearby18:58
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stskeepsie'lo qwerty12_N80020:37
qwerty12_N800hi stskeepsie20:37
thopiekarX-Fade, jeremiah_: PING20:38
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sin18is the google repository still broken (maemo mapper on N800 - diablo) .. i keep getting 'maps not downloaded' error20:39
jeremiah_thopiekar: Pong20:40
thopiekarhi jeremiah_20:40
thopiekaris there a way to get / add opengl headers into diablo? I think that you can remember that I'm working on the mixxx port (tabletDJ) and I'm just fighting with the deps now..20:42
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thopiekarto build mixxx I would need them.. mixxx detects automaticly whether opengl is available or not.. so it would use the simplewaveform on n8x0's and on the fremantle device the opengl-waveform...20:44
jeremiah_thopiekar: I think that might be really, really hard. I think the opengl stuff is close to the hardware and really designed to run on fremantle.20:46
thopiekarbut isn't it really possible to get the headers without the driver?20:48
thopiekarI'm not 100 per cently sure but opengl-headers of mesa would be enough20:49
thopiekarbut building mesa in sb1 faild for me.. because of the old version of libdrm2..20:50
thopiekarbtw is libdrm2 an important lib and what is it for?20:50
kfxdirect rendering manager20:52
kfxkernel-side graphics acceleration lib20:52
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thopiekarso something very important for building other things? I just don't minded how important asound is and I uploaded a newer version of it from ubuntu and breaked others builds here.. so I'm just asking that :P20:54
thopiekarstskeepsie: going offline?20:54
kfxthopiekar: any 3d accelerated video driver will depend on libdrm20:55
thopiekarwait.. you say any 3d driver.. but we haven't anyone..20:56
thopiekarso I could upgrade it and build mesa for the opengl-headers right?20:57
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kfxthopiekar: I'm not conversant with the build system or anything like that21:00
kfxI just know what the lib does :V21:00
thopiekarjeremiah_: ?21:00
johhI'm trying to get running on the n800. Chroot works fine, but when I try booting, init complains that dev/console doesn't exist and so the kernel panics21:02
johhanyone knows how to resolve that problem?21:03
kfxtry mknod /mnt/sda1/dev/console c 5 121:04
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kfxjust a guess21:04
kfxinit needs /dev/console, /dev/zero, and /dev/null to be there iirc21:05
kfxnot /mnt/sda1 but whatever your chroot is21:05
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johhi don't want to boot it in the chroot, i want to boot it directly21:06
johhso it's strange, that there ist no dev/console21:06
olidoes google maps works for you in maemo-mapper?21:07
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johhalso strange is that it says dev/console and not /dev/console21:09
kfxjohh: you still have to make the node though, because init uses udev or whatever to make the rest21:09
kfx /console, /zero, /null are all static nodes21:10
johhand how can I do that before init, hacking the initfs?21:13
kfxI think you can mknod while it's chrooted21:13
kfxthen it'll still be there when you boot into that root21:13
kfxI'm no expert on this stuff, though :/21:14
kfxgood luck21:15
johhah arch linux booting :D21:16
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kfxjohh: don't listen to clueless naysayers; I'm not an arch guy but it's a decent distro21:19
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sin18is anyone else still having issues with google street maps repository (on maemo mapper - diablo) ?21:33
sin18oli : just saw your comment ...  it is not working for me as well. I am using yahoo street for now till it gets resolved21:36
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etrunkobeer time21:38
johhn800 running arch linux: arch linux on n80021:38
Corsacreally easy to log in without a keyboard ;p21:39
mavhcusb keyboard?21:40
qwerty12_N800Configure to auto-login while having the partition mounted in Maemo?21:41
tank-manjohh, might be the kernel you are using. what one is it?21:41
johhuntil now, i only have logged in via chroot but tomorrow i will get one of those usb adapters21:41
qwerty12_N800Maybe not... I thought it had X running21:41
johhi'm using the standard maemo kernel21:42
johhx isn't yet ported to arm21:42
johhthe project porting arch to arm platform is in an early stage21:42
tank-manyou need to recompile the kernel with console support21:43
johh worked fine for me21:44
tank-mani dont know then21:44
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thopiekarany c++ developters here?22:34
thopiekarcould someone please tell me how this can work?22:34
thopiekarmixxx 1.7.0~beta1 - waveformviewerfactory.cpp -- line 6422:35
thopiekar            if(visual != NULL)22:35
thopiekar                delete visual;22:35
thopiekarare the "{" and "}" not missing?22:35
thopiekarhow should i understand that?22:36
kfxthey're not needed if there's only one line of code22:36
Nomaif you have only one statement, you don't have to write { and }22:36
qwerty12_N800For an if statement that only consists of one line, it's not needed22:36
kfxit's the same as if (visual != NULL) { delete visual; }22:36
luke-jr{} around a single statement is silly :/22:37
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luke-jrisn't 'delete NULL;' valid, anyway?22:37
kfxdelete null is a nop22:40
kfxaccording to ansi, anyhow22:40
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LiraNuna<kfx> delete null is a nop22:47
LiraNunayeah there's no need to check22:47
Firebirddelete checks it for you22:48
thopiekarthe next line is the most silliest..22:50
thopiekar            if(visual != NULL)22:50
thopiekar                delete visual;22:50
thopiekar            visual = NULL;22:50
thopiekar"visual = NULL" overwrites "visual" so there is no need to delete it.. isn't it?22:51
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kfxfreeing the memory and assigning NULL to the pointer are different things22:54
thopiekarbut where is the difference of changing a value and freeing memory + setting a new value?22:55
derfIf you don't understand that difference, you need to stop programming C++ right now.22:57
derfGo use Python or something, you'll be happier, and the world much safer.22:58
mavhcand ram much fuller22:58
* thopiekar is programing in python and c++ at school.. but it seems that I just learn there the basics of the basics :|22:59
amrdefine school22:59
derfNo, if he thinks it's okay to assign NULL to something instead of deleting it, I'm going to bet that the Python code will win on memory.22:59
* thopiekar will be back in some minutes..22:59
amri imagine being taught programming at highschool and college or university is very different22:59
amrwell, i don't imagine :p22:59
amrit IS23:00
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ShadowJKthopiekar, if you just do visual = NULL; then congratulations, you've just leaked memory :)23:09
ShadowJKmemory management is perhaps the most challenging part of C and C++, you have to do it yourself :)23:10
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thopiekarare there tutorials like python's: 'a byte of python' for c++?23:15
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thopiekarit looks like I have to get into c++ on myself :|23:16
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ShadowJKI'm "competent" in C, but I'm pretty lost with C++ :)23:19
thopiekarare there docus in german, too?23:20
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kfxno idea23:21
thopiekardon't seems so :| I should google about that..23:22
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thopiekarthanks all of you anyway :)23:28
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