IRC log of #maemo for Friday, 2009-05-29

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GAN800Threadcrapping indeed00:07
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eukreign3couldn't get fennec to work, giving up00:15
eukreign3it needed libgpsbt which i didn't have and can't seem to find anywhere00:15
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qwerty12_N800Did you choose to install the closed nokia binaries during install?00:16
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eukreign3qwerty12_N800: i'm using the vmware maemo sdk00:31
eukreign3so i didn't have to install anything00:31
eukreign3is it possible that some things are missing from that?00:32
eukreign3the whole point of using the vmware image is so that everything is already correctly preconfigured...00:32
eukreign3or so they claim :-D00:32
qwerty12_N800IIRC, the vmware image has a script on the desktop which'll install the things that cannot be redistributed with the image legally00:33
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eukreign3there are no scripts on the desktop other than the ESBox icon00:33
qwerty12_N800Hmm, been a long while since I last used it. Read 2.4 of:
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GAN800jamiebennett, X-Fade wont be back on 'til tomorrow.00:40
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eukreign3qwerty12_N800: doing that now, thanks for the tip00:44
eukreign3it's installing 77 new pacakges00:44
jaskahmm, hows the performance of the internal sd on n810 compared to a random class6?00:44
eukreign3including the ones i couldn't find :-)00:44
jaskajust wondering whether i should clone onto internal or a separate :|00:44
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eukreign3i have fennec running in the sdk00:51
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eukreign3the /usr/bin/fakeroot is missing in the ARMEL target as well00:55
eukreign3am i the only one who has the this problem?00:55
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eukreign3also, can't install anything through the Application manager00:58
eukreign3works fine through apt-get00:58
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Guest6384_664a master of pigin faq here?02:35
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KurtKrautI've seen there is no sshfs for Maemo. How should I mount a remote partition/folder in Maemo?02:52
rzrnfs ?02:53
qwerty12_N800Your eyes decieve you then. ;) FUSE and sshfs are in Extras02:53
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KurtKrautqwerty12_N800: I thought I had extras set. How can I enable it?02:54
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xnt14~seen b-man1602:57
infobotb-man16 <> was last seen on IRC in channel #maemo, 22h 20m 20s ago, saying: 'hello, penguinbait :)'.02:57
qwerty12_N800KurtKraut: I think it's a package that does not show up in the application manager by default - you'll have to apt-get install sshfs02:57
xnt1422 hours :p02:57
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KurtKrautqwerty12_N800: that worked. Thanks.02:59
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kkrustyis there any hope for an RTM client for maemo?04:05
kkrustyZutun doesnt work and so does Doneit04:05
kkrustyand theres a canola plugin from what I hear but thats months away I bet04:05
kkrustyis maemo dying?04:07
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eukreign3so, i'm working on my user interface and just when i thought i was done i realized that when you click on an entry box the whole thing gets squished because of the onscreen keyboard the pops up04:20
eukreign3is there anyway to disable the onscreen keyboard or is there a best practice for how to handle squishing your app when it comes up04:21
zakkmeukreign3: its done by a command04:21
eukreign3i guess i can put my form in a scrolledwindow...04:21
zakkmyou cant really block it, you can make stylus one come up04:22
zakkmor you can rewrite the box spot04:22
zakkmlike coding04:22
eukreign3okay, so i have to compensate for it04:22
zakkmthere should be an alternate command04:22
eukreign3well, i think i'm just going to stick my form into a scrolledwindow04:22
zakkmive never coded so unfortunately i cant help you, but there should be another uhh coding line you can replace with, and it wont come up04:22
eukreign3i have 7 inputs stacked ontop of each other, looks fine until you click into an input, then they get squished because they don't fit04:23
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Macerdoctors still use maggots to pull dead flesh off of people05:20
luke-jrno wai05:20
Macerthose wacky maggots and their need to feed on dead flesh05:20
Macernaw. zombies eat live brains05:21
Macerwow Germans were nuts05:21
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acydlordwell all the zombie attacks in the news lately i havent heard of any brain noms05:22
acydlordmostly arms and legs05:22
Macerstill watching the documentary about auschwitz05:23
Macer:) i'm on part 1005:23
acydlorddo they cover the telekenesis projects and all the other mind warfare crap?05:23
Macerno. it's more a sympathy documentary . they only showed the tests in twis05:24
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Macerwhere the doctors would inject disease into twins and wait for one to die then murder the other one at the same time to compare them05:24
Maceronly mindfucked people do things like that05:25
GAN8001Macer, works really well as they only eat the necrotic flesh.05:25
Macerwell. hopefully i never get gangrene05:26
Macerwow. the mossad went to south america and found the death camp people that ran away to south america05:26
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* GAN8001 wishes he had some honey.05:27
zakkmtelekinesis is real , what you guys on about :)05:28
Macerwell. wonder what that would mean for a telekenetic jew in auschwitz05:28
zakkmmy family is jewish, from the UK too05:29
zakkmive gone atheist, but yeah05:29
Macerbritan police officers deported jews to the nazis from the british isles05:29
zakkmyou guys believe in telekinesis?05:30
Macerthe french did too.05:30
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b-man16~seen xnt1405:58
infobotxnt14 <> was last seen on IRC in channel #maemo, 3h 35s ago, saying: '22 hours :p'.05:58
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marnanelI have a question about .install files and the garage extras-devel repository.  When I try to install from , the app manager scans the repo but then claims there's no package called rfk, which there is.  What am I doing wrong here?  Did I misunderstand the syntax?06:01
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GAN8001Got the right dist?06:11
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GAN8001marnanel, I don't see it here:
marnanelGAN8001: it's in
marnanelis that bad?  did I put it in the wrong place?06:14
GAN8001Well, what are you trying to install it on?06:14
zakkmGAN8001: extras-devel not extras06:14
zakkmmarnanel: thats fremantle.. not diablo06:14
zakkmyou cant run that on the tablet.06:14
marnaneloh, sorry.06:15
zakkmthats for the next version of the tablet, thats not out yet06:15
GAN8001zakkm, bleh, typos on r.m.o links.06:15
* marnanel moves it to diablo and tries again then06:15
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zakkmis maemo garage any good , i never check it06:16
GAN8001Good for?06:17
zakkmseeing latest news/updates06:18
zakkmgeneral everyday "rss feed reading"06:18
zakkmof maemo stuff06:18
GAN8001Downloads is good for software06:19
GAN8001Planet for news06:19
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zakkmplanet doesnt update often06:20
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zakkmahh i miss the n800 skin :(06:20
zakkmahh os200706:20
GAN8001OS2008 is the only OS that has shipped reasonably bearable default themes.06:21
zakkmis it possible to go back to old hildon-desktop?06:21
zakkmand theme?06:21
zakkmlike have diablo.. with 2007s look?06:21
zakkmGAN8001: would "quick instructions" still apply?06:23
zakkmi get  .. 404 not found06:26
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zakkmThe following packages will be REMOVED:06:43
zakkm  osso-software-version-rx3406:43
zakkmis that okay to do?06:43
Macerzakkm: i thought os2007 looked rather similar to 200806:47
Maceror vice versa06:47
zakkm2007 looks different ;p06:49
zakkmits more stylus than fingered06:49
zakkmand the themes are much different06:49
Maceri ran it for like 2 weeks .. then 2008 came out06:53
Maceri never really looked back06:53
acydlordi still remember the 770 days06:54
* acydlord sighs06:54
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Macerisn't it strange that the secretary of state during the abomb bombings was named burns06:56
zakkm770 was awesome, until mine wsod and i had no warranty :(06:57
zakkmit was only like two weeks old06:57
zakkmi would of got another but i was scared that would do the same06:57
acydlordi traded mine for a lcd panel after i got my n80006:57
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zakkmthats sick06:58
zakkmi got my n800 for a good deal at the time06:58
acydlordi got my n800 for full price06:58
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acydlordwas gonna stick with it but i got the discount on the n81006:58
acydlordand then traded my n800 for a bike that wound up getting stolen06:59
Macern810s are like $200 nowadays06:59
zakkmive wanted the 770 since it came out in 2005 , like when it got annonced06:59
zakkmand it wasnt until like late 2008 till i owned one06:59
Macerthere are like a billion cricket places popping up here06:59
zakkmwheres here06:59
zakkm$200 ,which i could afford that07:00
Maceri think every other day there is a new place selling cricket stuff07:00
Macerreminds me of primeco07:00
zakkmheh rising sport?07:00
Maceryeah. it's going to follow the same path though07:00
Macersell cheap. build the customer base.. then screw everybody over07:00
acydlordcricket as in the sport or the wireless carrier?07:01
Macerwireless carrier07:01
zakkmi thought the sport hah07:01
acydlordahh, they've been out here for years, they are huge on the west coast07:01
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zakkmi use Koodo :)07:01
Maceri lived in oceanside for years and never saw a cricket place07:01
zakkmi live in toronto, canada07:01
acydlordallow me to refrain07:02
zakkmpay $25 a month ( $28 after tax ) i get everything i need07:02
acydlordthey are huge in areas where people have bad credit07:02
Macerzakkm: that is how cricket is07:02
Maceri wonder what type of network they use07:02
zakkmjust curious, what happens if yourlike 2 days late on cell bill?07:02
acydlordcricket uses cdma07:02
zakkmmy cell bill was due on the 27th and its now the 29th07:02
zakkmi use cdma :D07:02
Macerah. like sprint?07:02
zakkmcdma is getting huge07:03
Macermaybe they will have wimax support :-D (yeah right)07:03
acydlordyeah, except they only have a few towers or rent time on others and their service is rather spotty07:03
zakkmthe next tablet is going to have 3g ?07:03
acydlordlol, they just got data this last year07:03
Maceri wonder why the japanese decided to bomb pearl harbor07:04
zakkmwatch the movie and find out ;p07:04
Macerzakkm: it's supposed to07:04
zakkmit does.07:04
Macerzakkm: i am reading on wikipedia.. but i'm actually reading more abouthte bombings07:04
zakkmnobody saw it coming07:04
Maceroppenheimer had a huge head07:05
Macerhe reminds me of brain from pinky and the brain07:05
zakkmpearl harbor was a brillant move07:05
Macerno it wasn't07:05
Macerthey should have concentrated on China07:06
Macerjust as germany shouldn't have opened a 2nd front against russia07:06
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Macer70 million people died during ww207:08
zakkmMacer: and alot died after the war07:10
zakkmMacer: ww2 caused alot of problems, for one.. Hitler figured out how to counterfeit british money beautifully, and decided to do it, in order to screw up their currency / help win the war07:11
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zakkmMacer: books onit too
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zakkmmade over 200mil pounds a month. and in 1940 that was alot ;p07:14
Macerthe size of the United States Navy was significantly increased and after the Japanese incursion into Indochina, the United States embargoed iron, steel and mechanical parts against Japan.07:21
Macerthere's the reason :)07:21
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chxzakkm: have you managed to get rotate working?09:13
zakkmnot at all, ive done it in the past though many times09:13
zakkmi didnt exactly put much thought into doing it this time09:14
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thuxsecurity experts claim to our leading newspaper reporter that you can see into web-server root just wiping out part of web-address? that cannot be true can't it?09:16
zakkmits not09:17
zakkmtheres htaccess blocking it09:17
StsN800.seen stskeeps09:17
thuxpity that reporters believe everything09:17
StsN800~seen stskeeps09:17
infobotstskeeps <n=chobits@> was last seen on IRC in channel #maemo, 10h 30m 16s ago, saying: 'i get angry when the normal browser starts at the moment .. :P'.09:17
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StsN800when did i drop off the channel?09:18
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zakkmStsN800: do you use stylus or finger, for typing on n800?09:20
StsN800thux, thanks09:22
StsN800zakkm, mixed09:22
zakkmi meant purely typing, not surfng around/clicking09:24
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StsN801random idea: tslib noticing through accelerometer that ones hand with stylus probably moved cos of shaking bus and adjusts accordingly10:18
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aquatixStsN801: stylus? O:)10:42
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Myrttibtw is there any ocr stuff for maemo yet?11:00
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* RST38h moos11:18
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amris there a powerpoint viewew for maemo?11:34
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tank-manmaybe openoffice, or print to pdf from ms office11:40
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amrhmm, good idea11:41
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floriangood morning12:00
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Guest97442rwa mać12:25
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thopiekardoes anyone know why I get this output? .. I want to build mixxx of ubuntu's sources in my editor eclipse.. building by dpkg-buildpackage works and all deps are installed by apt-get build-deps mixxx .. so where is the problem and why are there errors although there should be any...13:02
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qwerty12hannesw: ping13:03
hanneswhi qwerty1213:04
hanneswwhats up?13:04
qwerty12hey hannesw, just wondering if you've got your pywebkitgtk stuff uploaded somewhere? :)13:04
hanneswbut I haven't done anything in a long time.13:06
qwerty12No problem, thank you!13:06
hanneswyou're welcome13:06
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thopiekarqwerty12: aren't you so good in porting? which editor are you using? I'm using eclipse but I have the problem as described above? Can you help me please?13:10
sanjay6976how to install "make" on my N81013:11
sanjay6976i want to run make command13:12
qwerty12thopiekar: I suck at it. I use gedit and vim.13:13
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* thopiekar hates diablo because of its old version of asound... in fremantle building portaudio19 works.. -.-'13:27
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Macerblah. have to install adobe CS413:49
qwerty12I installed the CS4 Master Collection a few days ago. Took me an hour for it to finish >.<13:53
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Macerqwerty12: yeah. it does seem to take quite a while13:57
Macerbut then again i'm installing off of the wifi13:58
oDudahello !13:58
Macerprobably should have copied the image over first13:58
MacerCS4 seems huge13:59
Maceri should have just installed acrobat.. that is all i really need13:59
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qwerty12Macer: Heh, don't fancy your chances then, this was an uncompressed 7z with setup running of the harddrive itself :P14:01
Maceroh. i'm installing on my mb using a dmg that's on my fileserver14:01
Macerit's been about 15 minutes and it's 1/3 :)14:02
Macerand all i needed was acrobat to tell you the truth. but i suppose i don't have much on the mb so i just decided to install all of it14:03
Maceri have to fly to california tommorrow and then back to chicago in the same day14:03
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Macerthank god they're non-stop flights14:03
Macerone flight goes to boston.. then to california from there. wtf is up with that?14:04
Macerand it's cheaper to take that flight than going straight from chicago to california14:04
Macerairlines don't make sense sometimes14:05
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Macernever realized how much crap is in CS414:07
Macerthere's like 20 things it installs14:08
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stskeepsieharbaum: where in .dk are you atm?14:12
harbaumcabinn in14:13
stskeepsiek, we'll be there later today14:13
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harbaumjust arrived, checking emails and getting the n810 a little charge14:13
stskeepsieat airport waiting for lcuk,johnx,r_you14:14
harbaumwhere are you?14:14
stskeepsiemet qgil,marcell earlier  and x-fade14:14
harbaumi thought about joining you, but waiting 3 hours at the airport was a little too long14:14
stskeepsiethe last two are making it to hotel atm14:14
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Macernambla meeting?14:19
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qwerty12_N800stskeepsie: knock 'em dead with your presentation ;)14:24
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Macerblah. still installing. wtf14:31
Maceri just need to do 1 thing14:31
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thopiekaromfg! scratchbox's "cp" don't know the option "-t"!14:49
thopiekaris there a way to fix that?14:49
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* thopiekar can't understand why sb is that buggy..14:51
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suihkulokkithopiekar: umm, you are aware that -t is a relatively new gnu extension?14:53
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mikkov_screen d15:12
thopiekarsuihkulokki: no.. so I have to edit these two lines.. right?15:12
thopiekarfind $(CURDIR)/* -maxdepth 0 -not -path '$(DEB_BUILD_DIR)*' | \15:12
thopiekarxargs cp -rlf -t $(DEB_BUILD_DIR)/$*15:12
qwerty12_N800mikkov_: irssi user? ;)15:12
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mikkov_yes, and also a screen user :)15:13
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GAN8001Somebody want to go throw tomatoes at Alexey? :P15:34
RST38hGAN: Which one?15:35
* RST38h has got two or three in tomato-throwing distance15:35
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GAN8001RST38h, for mentioning an iPhone on-list. ;)15:40
qwerty12_N800GAN8001: for using an iPhone to post to maemo-community?15:40
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qwerty12_N800Yep :p15:41
GAN8001One should at least have enough shame to not mention it publicly.15:43
GAN8001bergie, any chance on that fixed toolbar screenshot?15:43
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stskeepsieat hotel now16:04
andrewfblackHey stskeepsie16:04
Pavlovyou guys coming to the party thing tonight?16:04
stskeepsieyeah obviously16:05
stskeepsieim sponsoe16:05
stskeepsiered but wasnt on hotel list, lovely16:05
Pavlovgonna be good i think16:05
Pavlovthe building here is pretty cool16:06
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stskeepsielo lbtN80016:07
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lbtN800big rooms...16:08
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fiferboylbtN800: Hi16:11
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KotCzarnyis it worth to upgrade to diablo?16:12
lbtN800hi fiferboy16:12
lbtN800in cph16:12
fiferboyNice!  I hear there is a party tonight16:13
wazdдщ ьфуьщ16:15
wazdlo maemo :)16:15
MeizirkkiMy n810 screen is now even more cracked >_<16:15
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Meizirkkiello wazd16:15
fiferboylbtN800: I haven't been able to find that patch you were talking about, but I did come across a good argument for turning scrollPerPixel on by default16:15
stskeepsielbt, will be 3 mins late16:15
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RST38hmoo wazd16:41
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JesperHansenChecked in at Sleep in Heaven :-)16:42
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qwerty12_N800That name sounds... ominious16:43
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wazdRST38h: heya16:45
wazdVlad told me that Nokia canceled Clutter support for Maemo 5 apps, it will work only for desktop effects for now16:46
wazdCan anybody confirm?16:46
JesperHansendidn't Stskeeps_ decide to go out and eat or did the computer catch a cold16:46
JesperHansenalong with lcuk which is Gary.. and...16:47
wazdCause if it is - that's really kind of unfair16:47
StsN800JesperHansen, yes, just left nørreport16:47
StsN800we couldnt find you so16:48
wazdWe spent a fricking load of time to make some cool things with Clutter16:48
JesperHansenStsN800: Said I had to leave you there to go to the other Hotel16:48
RST38hwazd: No way???16:48
RST38hwazd: Drop this shitbomb onto t.m.o16:48
wazdRST38h: well, that was my words, just in russian and uncensored :)16:48
RST38hwazd: Then get some popcorn :)16:48
wazdStsN800: Can you please ask Quim or someone there if it's true16:49
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RST38hAlthough I can probably understand it from technical point of view16:49
wazdRST38h: well, I have an option that Vlad just missunderstood something16:50
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StsN800JesperHansen, ah16:50
StsN800wazd, will try16:50
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RST38hSomebody mentioned once that Clutter basically locks OpenGL API from everybody else when it is running16:50
wazdRST38h: Vlad said that there's the problem with hildon-desktop or something16:50
RST38hwazd: It may only be true for widgets16:50
wazdStsN800: thanks! Hows cph?)16:51
RST38hwazd: but still it is worth checking with Quim, just to see the expression on his face16:51
wazdRST38h: I'm really ok with canceling functions, shit happens, it's life, but I'm slightly pissed off cause we've done too much work on it16:52
wazdRST38h: especially Vlad16:52
wazdWe've made some animated weather icons'n'stuff16:53
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RST38hCan't you do this without clutter?16:53
RST38hThe easiest way would be to use giflib probably16:53
RST38h(avoid pnglib/mnglib, they are both pure horror)16:54
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wazdRST38h: I don't really know, our brains are in "God fucking damned!" mode right now)16:55
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wazdRST38h: and I think giflib can help, but it's a load of another work again16:56
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RST38hnot much16:56
RST38hit makes playing gif animations real easy16:56
wazdRST38h: Clutter is like Flash, you move around objects, transform them, fade in/ont and other stuff16:56
RST38hit isn't like flash because it is built on top of glib16:57
JesperHansenStsN800: I might catch up with you later. Gotta visit some friends first though on the route. Where you at atm?16:57
RST38hflash is easy, glib stuff is hairy16:57
wazdRST38h: Our icons were not just a row of frames16:57
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woglindewazd time to switch to qt and animation framework16:57
wazdRST38h: the were, hmm, like directed actions of tiny parts like drops and clouds16:57
RST38hwazd: Well, as far as moving objects around is concerned, you can just use my EMULib16:57
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RST38hwazd: it will even work on a plain fb0 so no changes made by Nokia to high level APIs will ever affect it16:58
wazdRST38h: It's not a big deal to switch or do something instead16:58
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wazdRST38h: the deal is to spend much time on something that became useless16:59
RST38hwazd: I think it is painfully clear by now that Nokia does not consider developers a priority16:59
RST38hwazd: It does its own app development and sometimes discloses related APIs to developers16:59
RST38hSo, I would not rely on anything high level17:00
StsN800JesperHansen, rådhuspladsen17:00
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JesperHansenStsN800: kk, I actually dont really know where that is on the map, but I'll find it. If there's anything I should know that you get to know from here, then give me a msg. on 6012890317:04
JesperHansenGreat weather in CPH, there's the Carnival this weekend with lightly dress samba girls. You're all missing out.17:04
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danilocesarAre someone here having problems to download GoogleMaps with Maemo Mapper?17:13
Corsacyeah, the url changes sometimes iirc17:14
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stskeepsiemm bacon burgers17:23
danilocesarCorsac: gnuit should release a new version so... lets wait17:24
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chxSo.... is there any offline way to use the GPS...?17:36
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RST38hMaps application supplied by Nokia17:38
RST38hor predownloading maps into Maemo Mapper17:38
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chxhm, the Maps on the device said '7 days trial'17:39
till-the navigation17:40
till-not the maps17:40
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RST38hignore the navigation crap17:41
wjs_ltopNavit works as well, if your in a location with good OSM maps17:41
till-wayfinder works quite well17:41
till-showing your position and the maps, just the navigation requires a license17:41
wjs_ltopPersonally I don't find the GPS functionality as bad as it's made out to be on the N810..  Sure, sometimes it takes a bit of time to locate, but usually less then a minute.17:42
mgedminif you're standing still17:43
mgedminit's worse if you're moving17:43
wjs_ltopNavit gives you the navigation function.  And seems to be actively developed.17:43
chxwhen i start the Map application it asks "continue navigation trial" / enter license key / purchase navigation17:43
wjs_ltopI haven't found the GPS function to loose signal, once it's aquired it.17:43
chxthere does not seem to be a "go away" functionality :)17:43
RST38hmgedmin: worked fine for me when moving17:43
RST38hmgedmin: initial acquisition appears to be better when standing still17:43
RST38hchx: Ignore it17:44
wjs_ltopI did find that if you don't have your time set correctly, it takes much longer to aquire.17:44
wjs_ltopsignal lock.17:44
wjs_ltopHas anybody tried the new gps daemon that I see available in the packages?  Does it work better?17:45
RST38hit is written in python, right?17:45
qwerty12_N800the frontend is iirc17:45
wjs_ltopDon't know, just noticed it, but was too chicken to install it..17:45
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qwerty12_N800Does anyone know if the program that provides the pairing dialog is open source? It sets HILDON_GTK_INPUT_MODE_NUMERIC which is useless when your GPS's passcode is NAVMAN :)17:54
coldboot|homeIs there anyone who has been able to get remote debugging working on the n810, or debugging working in Scratchbox 2?17:54
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coldboot|homeIf so, how did you do it?17:54
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coldboot|homeI've got remote debugging working on the n810, but for some reason it won't set breakpoints in some arbitrary Qt functions, but some others work fine.17:57
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coldboot|homeDebugging on Scratchbox doesn't work at all, it won't set any breakpoints and the documentation is useless.17:57
coldboot|homeIt says you have to link in the threading library that your program uses. In my case it's pthreads, but linking that into the maemo custom gdb 6.6 by typing -lpthreads into the Makefile manually doesn't change anything.17:58
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woglindecoldboot you could use ddd17:59
woglindefor graphical stuff17:59
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chxhey this thingie , even if nothing else, is a great Skype phone18:08
chxpity it does not do video in Skype :(18:08
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gomiamchx: true, true... at least it does through GTalk18:09
chxrly? intersting!18:10
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toggles_wand with ekiga if you can ever get it to register, yet to make it work with empathy though18:13
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Macersamurai gun is almost as dumb18:29
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mib_n14gaxIn gtk2.0 how to find the api reference?18:35
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mib_n14gaxwhen i want to find a function's function and find the discription relative to it,how i should do?18:36
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* thopiekar is tried of sb1 and all that buggy tools..18:41
* thopiekar dreams of full dev-environment without stupid 3rd-party-tools like sb1's18:42
coldboot|homewoglinde: Have you used it before? It is a graphical bug.18:42
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chxSkype cant do text chats while phoning?18:46
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RST38hwindoze version can18:48
thuxdoes /proc/cpuinfo show current real cpu speed?18:51
dnearyJaffa: Ping?18:51
dnearyGAN800: Ping?18:51
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Jaffadneary: pong18:55
dnearyJaffa: What do you expect from brainstorm moderators?18:58
dnearyJaffa: How many, and who do you think is best placed to do it?18:58
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woglindecoldboot hm?18:59
Jaffadneary: andre is an obvious candidate. I'd expect them to be merging similar, trying to keep one item per "brainstorm", closing/deleting spam or abusive things, helping tease out the actual meat18:59
Jaffadneary: There're a couple of levels in there, but a lot of it overlaps with the exact role of the bugsmaster19:00
dnearyOK - so if it's growing out of bugzilla, sjgadsby would be another obvious candidate19:00
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* Jaffa nods19:00
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dnearyI've been pushing Henri to have the same technical way of operation as Ubuntu19:00
JaffaIs there a handy dandy URL describing how they do it?19:00
dnearySubmitted ideas go into a moderator queue, and get published once 2 moderators approve them19:00
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dnearyJaffa: No, I've been looking for their guidelines all afternoon19:01
Jaffadneary: gah19:02
coldbootwoglinde: ddd is just a frontend to gdb, now that I remember, that won't help at all.19:02
coldbootIt seems like barely anyone actually seriously writes software for this device.19:03
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dnearyJaffa: I think that there aren't any guidelines on moderator behaviour, I'm wondering whether any are needed19:06
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dnearyJaffa: I guess I wasn't looking very hard :}19:13
woglindecoldboot hm are there qt-dbg packages?19:13
woglindecoldboot maybee antonio strip to many debug symbols in the packages19:14
coldbootwoglinde: Yeah I've got libqt4-dbg installed.19:14
woglindethen I have no clue too19:14
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coldbootIt's a lot more complicated than that.19:22
coldbootIn scratchbox apparently you have to compile your own gdb and link in the threading library your program uses.19:22
coldbootHowever there's no documentation on how to do that, and nobody answers questions here.19:22
baconnobody ever needs to go that far19:23
coldbootIf you're writing software, eventually you end up using a debugger to debug.19:23
baconi dont19:23
coldbootYou've never used one before?19:24
baconyeah use one every day in vb19:24
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baconbut in linux and c no19:24
baconi just code defensively and write many logs19:24
coldbootI've got this bug where whenever you click something in Qt that inherits from a QAbstractItemView (ie any sort of table), the screen flashes and you see tearing.19:24
coldbootIt makes no sense at all.19:25
baconthis screen tears anyway for everyone but lcuk so meh19:25
coldbootIt doesn't tear in any other situation.19:25
baconhave you got new hardware then?19:26
coldbootIt does it on all of the 6 nokia n810 devices we have here, and all instances of Scratchbox 2.19:27
coldbootIt's not a hardware problem.19:27
coldbootWriting a simple Qt application from scratch doesn't exhibit the same behaviour when clicking a QAbstractItemView, so it's something with our application.19:27
baconbut the screen refresh tears on all 8x0 devices19:27
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coldbootIt's not just simple tearing, you see quite significant artifacts on the screen, like horizontal white bars.19:28
baconof course there might be something emphasising it more for you19:28
baconlbt had that19:28
baconhe raised a qt bug about it19:28
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coldbootDo you have that bug number or a link?19:29
coldbootI wasn't able to find anything related, because this sort of thing is so hard to search for.19:29
baconi have nothing i am halfway round the world from my house19:29
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baconbut lbt is 3 rooms away19:29
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coldbootThree rooms away from you?19:30
lbtN800a qt bug... nah19:30
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coldbootI definitely don't think it's a Qt bug if I can't reproduce it in a blank Qt program with a QAbstractItemView child.19:30
lbtN800wassup coldboot19:31
coldbootHey lbtN80019:31
* lbtN800 isnt good on n80019:31
coldbootDo you know how to get gdb working in Scratchbox 2 with a Qt app (implying it has pthreads), or remotely on the n810?19:32
lbtN800i ran ddd on tablet19:32
lbtN800it hurts19:32
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baconomg more scab19:33
lbtN800i decided qdebug was saner19:33
coldbootIs qdebug based on gdb at all?19:33
lbtN800nah  it's  more derived from prtintf19:33
coldbootSo you can't set breakpoints?19:34
lbtN800no it really is print19:34
coldbootOkay that's useless then.19:35
lbtN800heh    ymmv19:35
lbtN800gdb works on tablet19:36
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johnxlcuk, get down here ;p19:37
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johnxpeople are starting to head out19:39
suihkulokkilbtN800, coldboot, qemu linux-user doesn't support ptrace syscall19:39
coldbootsuihkulokki: What are the implications of that?19:40
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suihkulokkicoldboot: gdb, strace and other tools that use ptrace won't work19:41
johnxlcuk, get down here ;p19:41
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johnxlcuk, get down here ;p lbt is here with us19:42
coldbootsuihkulokki: Why is there a Scratchbox 2 debugging guide telling you how to use gdb in Scratchbox 2, then?19:42
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coldbootHere's the guide:
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coldbootUnder this heading: "Debugging issues with Scratchbox-2"19:43
coldbootAre you sure ptrace won't work with qemu?19:45
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coldbootgdb doesn't even work on this stupid device.19:49
coldbootIt just fhangs there indefinitely.19:49
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coldbootNo wait, it gets killed and the device reboots.19:50
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suihkulokkicoldboot: it works in sb2 on x86 targets20:00
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coldbootsuihkulokki: That's what I'm attempting to get it working on, however it doesn't work when you have threads.20:19
coldbootsuihkulokki: The guide says to link gdb with the thread library you're using, and Qt uses pthreads. I tried that, but I get the same results.20:19
coldbootsuihkulokki: Have you successfully got sb2 debugging a Qt program with gdb?20:20
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coldbootsuihkulokki: I take it you haven't used gdb for a program with threads in sb2?20:59
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amri havent been able to get a gps signal since ive had my n810 lol21:08
amrive walked to the library which takes 10 mins, and i didnt get a signal21:08
amri walked back from my exam which took 20/3021:08
amrand i didnt get a signal21:08
ShadowJKdiablo with a-gps installed? :)21:08
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GAN800How's hacking?21:13
Proteousmy n97 should be shipping out today21:13
zakkmGAN800: are you at the danish weekend?21:13
* Myrtti still wants N9621:13
Proteouscomplete with super web bug discount21:13
GAN800zakkm, nope21:13
zakkmare you not going, or did it not start already?21:13
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GAN800Proteus, aren't you gonna feel silly if Rover comes out next month. :p21:14
GAN800zakkm, not going.21:14
ProteousGAN, depends on the phone functionality of Rover21:14
Proteousbut since I got my n97 at sucha steap discount I could just sell it on ebay and make a profit21:15
MyrttiProteous: how much?21:15
GAN800under 50021:16
ProteousI got $244 off the MSRP and a free $80 bluetooth headset21:16
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zakkmyou guys know the nokia 9300?21:16
zakkm9300 smartphone, with symbian?21:17
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Myrttizakkm: the log?21:17
ShadowJKis that like... Series80?21:17
Myrttioh, that's not even a log21:17
zakkmfriend and i got a nokia 770 + that for $120 ... he went and sold that on craigslist for $150 hah21:17
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coldbootThe n810s go for like $180.21:21
coldbootOh wait, 770 is different completely.21:21
ShadowJKhey I saw a N800 on display in a brick and mortar store last week21:21
zakkmit was over a year ago.21:21
zakkmim just talking about the phone21:21
zakkmgetting cheap and selling online fo rprofit21:21
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* jeremiah_ On the train to Copenhagen.21:28
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jeremiah_It will be cool to see people like X-Fade and stskeepsie in RL21:28
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Jaffajeremiah_: have fun :)21:29
JaffaHave a beer for me21:29
jeremiah_Just hope someone has a charger for my N810 since I left mine at home.21:29
jeremiah_Jaffa: I promise to have a beer for your :)21:29
JaffaI'd *guess* there may be one or two ;-)21:29
GAN800Who brought a trout to go Nokian bashing? ;)21:29
jeremiah_If there is no beer, I'm going home21:30
jeremiah_GAN800: Trout?21:30
GAN800You didn't hear? It's BYOC. ;)21:30
MyrttiGAN800: shouldn't it be a wellie?21:30
jeremiah_GAN800: Bring your own C?21:30
t_s_ohmm, beta4 of garnetvm?21:31
Jaffat_s_o: so it'd appear21:31
GAN800Charger. ;)21:31
tank-mant_s_o, you got an email?21:31
* jeremiah_ is slow in the head21:31
t_s_otank-man: yep21:31
GAN800Ha, right!21:31
* RST38h moos slightly21:32
t_s_ohmm, the link is to
t_s_osheesh, they want to do the registration loop again?! why not include a "existing user" code in the mail?21:33
GAN800The 5800's inertial scrolling is a cruel joke.21:33
GAN800It's like the page is sliding on sandpaper.21:34
ShadowJKI guess it's an improvement from Tear's accidental light-speed :-)21:34
GAN800I hope we get some trickledown from the N9721:34
jeremiah_Myrtti: Nice boots.21:34
GAN800webkit-eal's is perfect with a small tweak.21:34
ShadowJKGAN800, based on their past performance, I'd doubt it :-)21:34
GAN800ShadowJK, one more thing that thoroughly pisses me off about Symbian21:35
tank-mant_s_o, use your old dl link from last year or whenever, it links to the new beta21:35
GAN800Product teirs should not be software-based.21:35
ShadowJKYou know, it's much more pleasant to go from Symbian to Maemo :)21:35
t_s_otank-man: didnt save the mail from that far back...21:35
tank-mangmail :)21:35
t_s_oyeah right, and just hand over my personal life to them in the process21:36
zakkmmaemo its that hard ;p21:37
zakkmisnt *21:37
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Myrttit_s_o: come, come to the dark side, we have 7.3 gig mailboxes and COOKIES!21:38
wjs_ltopamr: is your time/date/timezone set correctly?21:38
wjs_ltopamr: if you go into the Map application there is an icon like a satellite,  If you click on that It should show you things..21:39
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jeremiah_oh jeez, how um, modern. We have a twitter tag for the CPH weekend - mozmae21:41
zakkmthe map application is so cool :P21:42
jeremiah_Now crossing over the oresund bridge from Sweden into Denmark.21:42
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t_s_ocute, i think garnetvm just crashed my tablet...21:45
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tank-mant_s_o, new expiry date is november 30, 200921:46
jeremiah_And by that I mean /c :)21:47
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zakkmtheres a new garnet vm21:55
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ShadowJKGAN800, the symbian signed thing is however the best part, way to kill freeware software alltogether :-)21:58
ShadowJKor instead of freeware, let's say hobbyist21:59
ShadowJKhobbyist freeware21:59
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t_s_oShadowJK: just like any other level of control, it was put there to stop someone from doing something undesierable, like say a over the air stealth install of some program that would copy the devices address book++22:10
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qwerty12_N800It was there because most of the shareware/commercial programs available were cracked & distributed so easily. there must've been quite a few 0days...22:13
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amrwjs_ltop, the date/time/timezone are all set correctly22:13
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amrand it shows uh, levels?22:13
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amr19:07 <ShadowJK> diablo with a-gps installed? :)22:15
amrif diablo is version 5.2008.43-22:16
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ShadowJKamr: yeah.. installing a-gps might help22:43
ShadowJKyou install it, and first time you set your approximate position22:43
ShadowJKthere's also something on the forums about deleting nvd_data, might wanna search22:44
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marcelo_someone knows why this page is not working?
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jeremiah_stskeepsie: ping22:49
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Guest0317_390how to create a .install file from my application for future in download section?22:51
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jeremiah_Guest0317_390: I think there is a link on the wiki about install files. I should look that up for you.22:51
jeremiah_Jaffa How has the JavaOne been so far?22:52
Guest0317_390ok tx i wait22:52
jeremiah_drats, just missed him22:52
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