IRC log of #maemo for Wednesday, 2009-05-27

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suihkulokkiLiraNuna, or, since it's just a shell-script, sh -x sb2 ./a.out00:01
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LiraNunasuihkulokki, says it can't find it00:07
LiraNunathis puzzles me00:08
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ShadowJKbleh, this is disappointing00:14
ShadowJKmy new E75 has some broadcom bluetooth chip :(00:14
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RST38xis it bad?00:19
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kkrustyhas anyone used emacs/tramp to edit files on maemo? Do you need bash for that?00:24
ShadowJKRST38h, well on a scale from E70 to "not broken", it's somewhere in between, I'd guess ;)00:24
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ShadowJKMy e70 became too broken :-(00:26
ShadowJKthe keymat in the flip part is misaligned, with one keyrow partially behind the bezel00:27
ShadowJKI tried to move it, and that kinda succeeded, but some keys came off00:27
RST38hShadow: oh00:27
ShadowJKI attached those with superglue.. not quite the right "feel" in them anymore :)00:27
RST38hMine is fine except for the dpad00:27
RST38hthe rest is pretty pristine00:27
ShadowJKAnd then the joystick is completely unresponsive and needs like a dozen tries at different angles and forces before it responds00:27
ShadowJKand nokia STILL hasn't released a new one :(00:28
RST38hyea I know that feeling00:28
ShadowJKand they aren't selling the old one anymore either :/00:28
RST38hit's not an iphone, so they won't produce it :)00:28
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RST38hOn the other hand, I have tried my wife's 5800 and it is pretty decent00:28
ShadowJKa guy at work has 5800, after a few weeks I asked him how he's getting along with the touchscreen and such00:29
ShadowJKhe said it's nice for the "casual" and "idle" pecking you do, but it can be frustrating when you want to fire off a message in hurry00:29
ShadowJKthen he'd rather have his old N9500:29
ShadowJKso I figured I wanted something with real keys00:29
RST38hdunno, it felt fine to me00:30
RST38hfor an email that is00:30
RST38hthe problem is that the only usable keyboard is full-screen, so we are not talking about ssh here00:30
ShadowJKthat too00:30
* ShadowJK likes the N810 keyboard better than e75 so far00:31
* RST38h hates n810 keyboard00:31
ShadowJKthough both of course are miles away from the goodness that e70 keyboard was00:31
RST38hbad balance, upper row too close to the upper half00:31
ShadowJKbalance is perhaps slightly better00:32
ShadowJKbut key travel is even smaller than on n81000:32
mavhcstylus is faster than real keyboard I find00:32
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ShadowJKI definitely type faster with the real keyboard00:33
RST38hShadow: even smaller???00:33
ShadowJKRST38h, yes00:33
ShadowJKand even flatter00:33
RST38hwhy have physical keys at all then?00:33
ShadowJKatleast there's a tiny click in them00:33
mavhcbut real keyboard is better for screen real estate, and typing without looking00:33
ShadowJKI guess it's cheaper to have physical keys than to have a second touchscreen for the keys :)00:33
RST38hoh, 5800 simulates that with the vibro00:33
ShadowJKYeah, I can touch-type n810 now00:33
mavhcI did notice the maemo kb doesn't let you roll00:34
LiraNunaN810 keyboard is awesome <300:34
mavhcupdate the cursor on "mouse" down, but only select a key on mouse up00:34
mavhcso you can press, adjust, now you know where you're pressing, then release when correct00:35
ShadowJKthe onscreen keyboard?00:35
ShadowJKIf I touch a key and slide right it inserts space for me, heh00:36
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Macerneed a larger sd to work in my wii01:09
Macermust try it now.01:09
Macerjust so i can get linux to work on it01:09
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coldbootHas anyone successfully used gdb with Scratchbox 2? The "scratchbox2 enabled gdb" says to call "sb2-prepare" in gdb before running, which is supposed to break the program before its main() is called.01:19
coldbootThis simply doesn't work though, it tries to set a breakpoint in "_dl_debug_state" which is always pending and never breaks.01:19
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Abulafiawell, i'll be glad to switch from the n81001:38
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Abulafiaoh wow. early stargate ep. theyre trying for "drama."01:41
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Maceranybody here use osx with a samba share?01:53
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jaem_N810hey folks02:09
jaem_N810is there an easy way to install the EasyDebian image to the rootfs (I have mine cloned), short of modifying the install scripts?02:10
jaem_N810...I guess that might not be a big deal though :S02:10
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jaem_N810okay, that was painless :P02:16
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lardmannight all, catch you next week02:24
GAN8001lol . . . no wonder some people are more up in arms than others02:24
GAN80014.3" . . . .02:24
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jaem_N810GAN8001: what's this?02:27
jaem_N810more of the same?02:27
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GAN8001jaem_N810, the screen is 4.13"02:33
GAN8001People keep saying 4.3"02:33
GAN8001Which is a much bigger difference to 3.5"02:33
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* GAN8001 wonders if these people will ever get why I'm so insistent about differentiating between Maemo and
jaem_N810ah, okay.  I knew that, but I didn't catch that that was why people were so upset02:34
jaem_N810as for your last comment, enlighten me :P02:35
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GAN8001jaem_N810, is the community owned and operated website, Maemo is the Nokia owned and operated software platform.02:36
GAN8001People who interchange the two freely get confused when people talk about the community controlling and they think it also applies to Maemo.02:37
jaem_N810that's what I thought, but I wanted to clarify02:37
jaem_N810yeah, I can see that being an issue02:37
mikkov_crap,hildon-thumbnailerd (fremantle, scratchbox) started crunging my hd. 82 MB of thumbnails generated so far :)02:38
GAN8001Then they get pissed at me for correcting them.02:38
jaem_N810personally, I think all the noise over the leak is ridiculous.  If it's even completely true, I'll wait until I have one in my hands to make a judgement02:38
* GAN8001 hates Talk at the moment.02:38
jaem_N810which, in Canada, may be a while :(02:39
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ShadowJKI am guessing christmas or february for real availability now :)02:40
jaem_N810the main thing I'm concerned with is how much the carriers will try to lock it down02:41
* ShadowJK 'd buy it unlocked02:41
jaem_N810I won't be able to afford it unlocked, or I would02:41
jaem_N810although if Rogers is stupid about it, then I'll wait until I can afford it unocked02:41
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ShadowJKI bought my e75 on contract.. 130e cheaper, and i paid it in full up front.. 0.70euro per month for 2 years. BUT:02:42
jaem_N810Do you know how many years I've waited to be able to get rid of annoying callers with the "I'm recompiling my kernel" excuse?02:42
jaem_N810just kidding02:42
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ShadowJKthe store said the operator/nokia dont actually have the crippled/locked version ready yet, so they're actually selling unlocked version02:43
ShadowJKfor locked price02:43
ShadowJKso yeah, 130-(24*0.70) discount and unlocked phone :D02:44
jaem_N810I hate to speculate, but given Nokia's other offerings, what general price range do you think we'd be looking at for the RX-51 unlocked?02:44
jaem_N810very general... I'm looking at the maybe/not-a-chance threshold02:45
ShadowJKwell, I was expecting N97 like pricing until voice was added, now I'm not sure :)02:45
ShadowJKthough even N97 is hard to know what it costs, it's dropped like 200e even before shipping02:46
jaem_N810how much is it ostensibly at now?02:46
jaem_N810the N97, that is02:46
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jaem_N810gah... I don't have wireless on my desktop, so I can't get Internet on it at my mom's house02:50
jaem_N810(the cable jack is downstairs)02:50
jaem_N810so I borrowed back my spare router, and am trying to configure it as a client02:50
ShadowJKnokia finland seems to be taking preorders at 737 (including shipping and 22% tax), but they generally price well above everyone else in order to not aggressively compete with their resellers02:51
jaem_N810but 737 what?02:51
GAN8001jaem_N810, I'm worried about what carriers will do to the platform02:51
jaem_N810GAN8001: me too02:52
jaem_N810very much02:52
ShadowJK671 cheapest /comparable/ available in .fi :)02:52
GAN8001We've already seen the sort of evil GSM inflicts on the platform hardware-wise02:52
GAN8001jaem_N810, unlocked isn't even a way to escape from it.02:52
jaem_N810what in particular?02:52
GAN8001jaem_N810, the screensize, the hardware keys, the keyboard.02:52
jaem_N810oh, that02:52
ShadowJKjaem: it tends to be 1eur=1usd when you compare price in the US actually :P02:52
jaem_N810ShadowJK:, so about 8x that in Canadian? :(02:53
GAN8001But you can't ship voice without it effecting the platform.02:53
GAN8001GSM may ruin Maemo.02:53
GAN8001Well, the Maemo we know today, anyway.02:53
* GAN8001 is pessimistic about the community, the hardware, and the platform.02:53
jaem_N810I have high hopes for pessimism02:54
GAN8001In that order at the moment.02:54
jaem_N810what does that make me?02:54
GAN8001An cutter?02:54
jaem_N810I was being ironic02:54
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jaem_N810from my point of view anyway, it seemed like Nokia was getting more open and friendly these days...02:55
jaem_N810and I have to wonder how that's going to fly with a consumer phone02:56
GAN8001It could be a cellular revolution02:56
GAN8001But Nokia isn't really the company to orchestrate those.02:56
jaem_N810although if they're even trying, then maybe they have something up their sleeve02:56
GAN8001They've got too many dinosaurs running the company.02:56
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* GAN8001 sighs.02:56
GAN8001Shit's stressing me out.02:57
jaem_N810whatever the controversy now, I find it hard to believe that would completely alienate essentially the whole of the community by crippling them now02:57
jaem_N810mass-market or no, that would be incredibly stupid02:57
GAN8001I'm three steps from the door at this point.02:58
acydlordthe n810 being advertised everywhere kinda made me facepalm02:59
jaem_N810how low has it gotten now?02:59
jaem_N810I haven't been watching02:59
acydlordjust that none of the adverts explained it well03:00
acydlordthe whole internet everywhere thing was making people think cellphone03:00
jaem_N810"Internet in most places" ;)03:01
jaem_N810speaking of, the IPTV show Hak5 had a segment a while back on DNS tunnelling to bypass portals03:01
jaem_N810sounds useful for a device like the N81003:01
jaem_N810and it's written in Perl03:01
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mavhcthere's already an app for that on maemo03:04
jaem_N810mavhc: oh? what's it called?03:05
jaem_N810that's the name?03:05
mavhclooking now03:06
Macergot my 8G sdhc working in my wii03:06
Maceroh wtf03:06
jaem_N810Macer: woot03:07
Macerit's only reading 4G03:07
Macerwhat a bastard03:07
jaem_N810mavhc: oh yeah, I saw the manpage for that03:07
* Macer starts to become angry03:07
jaem_N810it's more complicated, at any rate03:07
Macermabye this app is just reading less03:07
jaem_N810although I haven't tried either03:07
Macerh. sure doesn't seem to be.. wtf03:07
Macerguess i will just throw the 4G in there03:07
Macerugh.. damn homebrew crap :) this is what opensource gives you haha03:08
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GAN8001Macer, 4.0 has SDHC support03:12
GAN8001A lot of the Homebrew stuff is still built on the old libs03:12
GAN8001Which don't yet support SDHC.03:12
GAN8001So support is mixed.03:12
jaem_N810Macer: what are you running on the wii?03:13
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mirrorerror: misc_runner no such directory.03:37
mirroranybody know?03:37
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xnt14~sell brian03:58
* infobot sells brian to a passing bunch of Ishmaelites03:58
* infobot gives b-man16 full service!03:58
infobot/me is leet cos he can start lines with a /03:58
xnt14~wtf b-man03:58
infobotusage: wtf <foo>.03:58
xnt14oh :P03:59
b-man16~$100 xnt1403:59
infobotwell, lol is stands for Laughing Out Loud. It is grammatically incorrect to use LOL in the first person; use 'heh' or 'haha' instead. If you want to use LOL, do '/me lol' instead.03:59
xnt14its supposed to be03:59
* xnt14 lols03:59
CutMeOwnThroatgramatically incorrect?03:59
xnt14~cut b-man04:00
CutMeOwnThroatI mean... it's stupid04:00
xnt14oh ok :P04:00
CutMeOwnThroatbut gramatically incorrect?04:00
xnt14infobot is cool04:00
xnt14no response?04:00
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infobotboing boing boing04:00
CutMeOwnThroatinfobot, lawl04:00
infoboti heard lawl is the sound of someone who has been on IRC too much. see also: roffle.04:00
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xnt14~install linux04:00
* infobot runs yum -y localinstall linux-4.2-1.noarch.rpm04:00
infobot[lol] stands for Laughing Out Loud. It is grammatically incorrect to use LOL in the first person; use 'heh' or 'haha' instead. If you want to use LOL, do '/me lol' instead.04:01
xnt14infobot, helloworld04:01
infobotHello World!04:01
infobotextra, extra, read all about it, rofl is rolling on the floor laughing04:01
xnt14~compile graphiure04:01
* infobot runs gcc -o graphiure.o on graphiure04:01
xnt14you cant compile graphiure :P04:01
xnt14its js04:01
b-man16~compile xnt1404:02
* infobot runs gcc -o xnt14.o on xnt1404:02
xnt14~rm b-man1604:02
infobotb-man16 is an unperson04:02
CutMeOwnThroatinfobot, ubuntusmite xnt1404:02
* infobot takes away all the CO2 in the air around xnt14 and replaces it with CO. "It's related to carbon dioxide! It's based on carbon dioxide!"04:02
* xnt14 chokes04:02
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xnt14~choke CutMeOwnThroat04:02
* infobot squeezes CutMeOwnThroat till he turns blue like papa smurf04:02
CutMeOwnThroatwell, it's using some version of the database from debians bot for sure04:03
* b-man16 dies laughing04:03
xnt14~type lol04:03
CutMeOwnThroatgentoosmite xnt1404:03
xnt14debiansmite CutMeOwnThroat04:03
b-man16~fix #maemo04:03
* infobot opens the hood of #maemo , looks inside and says "that'll be 500 dollars."04:03
nomisWhat is happening here? Invasion of the bored wannabe-scriptkiddies?04:03
CutMeOwnThroatinfobot, gentoosmite xnt1404:03
* infobot spends 9 days recompiling xnt14, and when it's all done, xnt14 runs 2% slower than previously04:03
xnt14can someone join infobot to #nit-webos?04:04
xnt14~join #nit-webos04:04
CutMeOwnThroatnomis, nah, wannabe-scriptkiddies have more skillz04:04
b-man16infobot is written in perl04:05
xnt14~choke himself04:05
* infobot squeezes himself till he turns blue like papa smurf04:05
xnt14bad infobot04:05
xnt14~run a mile04:05
xnt14~code linux04:05
b-man16~choke GeneralAntilles04:05
* infobot squeezes GeneralAntilles till he turns blue like papa smurf04:05
xnt14b-man16: bad choice04:06
xnt14I wouldn't choke GA04:06
xnt14seriously :P04:06
xnt14~revenge b-man1604:06
* infobot sneaks up behind b-man16 and nails him with a plank of wood, courtesy of xnt1404:06
b-man16~attack xnt1404:06
* infobot grabs a pen, screams like she's possessed, and begins chasing xnt1404:07
xnt14nomis: bored is right04:07
* xnt14 runs04:07
infobotPLEASE STOP!04:07
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GAN800No more bot abuse, please.04:07
xnt14GAN800: you run infobot?04:07
xnt14who runs it?04:07
* nomis suggests implementing an IRC bot from scratch. You'll learn a lot about badly designed protocols.04:08
nomis...and please try it in a different channel...04:08
b-man16~segmentation fault04:08
xnt14nomis: I would if I didn't already have too many projects :P04:08
b-man16#random ;)04:08
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xnt14who runs infobot, anyone know?04:09
xnt14well *this* infobot04:09
nomisxnt14: I suggest /whois infobot04:09
xnt14nomis: thanks04:10
GAN800xnt14, no, but I fight spam.04:10
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xnt14TimRiker: hi :)04:11
b-man16hello, TimRiker04:12
CutMeOwnThroathe he04:12
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infobotmethinks infobot is [infobot], or infobot, or likes abuse04:16
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b-man16TimRiker, awsome bot :D04:18
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mib_ahjn8wfor  maemo devolopment,how to find the header file?05:11
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paul0OS2007 software will work on OS2008?05:33
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GAN8001API break05:43
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paul0too bad :/05:58
paul0i would like to run olsr in my N80005:58
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TimRikerb-man16: thx. :) he lags sometimes, but generally not as bad as me. :)06:00
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Macerthey have an app for a wii that will back up the modified nand for you06:02
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Macerso you don't have to worry about nintendo overwriting it06:02
Macer:) can always go back to where you were06:02
Macerthese wii hax0rs sure do put a lot of effort into this sort of stuff06:02
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xnt14* a hole in time opens up at xnt14's finger *06:19
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mib_ru8203how to find a header file ralative to some class?08:00
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mib_ru8203maemo pragram08:03
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Macerup to like 400GB of wii games :)08:39
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inzmib_ru, depends, but for gtk classes, /usr/include/gtk-2.0/gtk/classname.h (where classname is class name in all-lowercase)08:41
inzmib_ru, for hildon, /usr/include/hildon-1/hildon/class-name.h (where class-name is class name in all lowercase with words separated by dashes)08:42
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LiraNunaany scratchbox2 gurus around?08:59
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Maceri'm watching the seth mcfarlane movie09:23
Macercovaclade of comedy09:23
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Stskeepsoh boy, seems like peter is getting suckered into talk :P10:12
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johnxxwow...wonder if he got clearance for that last comment O_o10:14
* Myrtti is intrigued10:15
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mib_ru8203how to get maemo code sample10:22
johnxxwhat kind of sample code are you looking for? a basic hello world?10:23
mib_ru8203yes,i mean in eclipse10:24
lbtpage 1 links to
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mib_ru8203i know the page,but i don't know how to download10:25
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mib_ru8203so  many file10:25
mib_ru8203i know apt-get source,but it doesn't work10:26
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mib_ru8203how to read code sample easily?10:28
johnxxmaybe something like this?
johnxxit includes hello world code and has instructions on getting started10:29
LiraNunaanyone have instructions about setting up scratchbox2 for maemo?10:29
mib_ru8203you can setting up scratchbox1 in directory /opt/scratchbox10:30
Macerhave an 80% success rate for these wii games10:30
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lbtLiraNuna: AFAIK suihkulokki is one of the sb2 devs and all round good guy... keep an eye out10:31
johnxxLiraNuna, that's what this is, right?
LiraNunalbt, I had a chance talking to him, but he vanished :*10:31
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LiraNunajohnxx, yeah, but there isn't support for 64bit10:32
johnxxah, well, you might have to improvise a little then10:32
LiraNunaI built my own cross compiler which works10:32
LiraNunathere are no documentations on how to init sb2, and if there are, they are either out of date or invalid10:33
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LiraNunawhy is maemo-sdk 32bit only? can't I get the source and compile myself?10:38
LiraNunascratchbox2 is in the ubuntu repositories, I can't see how a script can have problem when switching archs10:39
JaffaMorning, all10:39
RazumihinMaemo sdk requires older scratchbox.10:40
johnxxLiraNuna, I think some people have used sb1 on 64-bit distros successfully.  I know I tried it as well by disabling some checks. I really don't know what to tell you other than give it a shot10:40
johnxxalso, keep in mind that not all of the source behind the maemo-sdk is available10:41
LiraNunaat least I can cross compile10:41
LiraNunajohnxx, I'm trying to do it manually, I don't like hacking a script that is meant for another arch10:42
johnxxthen maybe run a 32bit chroot / 32bit vm?10:43
johnxxthere's a nice vmware image you can use in virtualbox I hear10:43
RazumihinYep. I would recommend virtualbox10:43
LiraNunaI already run VB for virtual XP10:43
LiraNunafor applications I'm forced to use10:43
johnxxwell, then you're halfway there :)10:44
suihkulokkiLiraNuna: where did you get to last night?10:44
LiraNunasuihkulokki, a.out isn't found10:44
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qwerty12LiraNuna, considering that scratchbox1 has already been built for amd64, why not try that first: ? (Besides that, scratchbox2 is more of a pain in the ass)10:46
Stskeepsqwerty12: zenvoid said you knew where to disable hildon window borders btw?10:46
* Myrtti ♥ pablo10:46
LiraNunaI think I had the wrong rootstrap10:47
LiraNunaI had rootfs instead of rootstrap10:47
LiraNunawhat I originally had was ~10MB, this one's 140MB10:47
qwerty12Stskeeps: I don't know where - I said Khertan found out how to get rid of the left, bottom and right borders via the gtkrc10:48
suihkulokkiLiraNuna: does sb2 -e ./a.out work ?10:51
LiraNunasuihkulokki, I erased what I had out of frustration, but I think I was using a wrong rootstrap10:51
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LiraNunanope, same error10:54
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LiraNunathe libtool config.log says ./a.out not found too10:56
Macerhm. finishing the documentary on chernobyl10:56
Maceralways nice to see that there was white hot magma :)10:57
Macer3000C magma10:57
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LiraNunasuihkulokki, more throughout:
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rmt_LiraNuna, I told you my setup, yes?  I debootstrapped a 32bit ubuntu version in a directory, chroot'd to it, and installed the sb2 packages.10:59
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LiraNunarmt_, I got ~20 chroots and cross compilers envs in my workstations10:59
rmt_LiraNuna, Configured it as per website, then doing sb2 -e gcc blah blah blah10:59
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Passelii am trying to run: fakeroot perl -MCPAN -e shell in scratchbox, but it gives me error: /scratchbox/tools/lib/perl5/5.8.4/CPAN/Config.pm11:00
rmt_LiraNuna, Oh, good, then you'll figure it out no problem! :-)11:00
Passelidid also try to do chmod with fakeroot, but no success11:00
Passeliany suggestions?11:00
LiraNunarmt_, I always do stuff out of the ordinary, I'd like ONCE to try 'official' dev tools11:00
johnxxLiraNuna, then why not try them?11:00
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rmt_LiraNuna, Sounds cool.  Could you fix all the bugs while you're there? :)11:01
LiraNunajohnxx, I don't need another chroot for i386 system which will chroot an arm system11:01
StskeepsLiraNuna: i think maemo sdk abstract a lot of the insanity away :P11:02
qwerty12Passeli: Make sure perl (and perl-modules) are installed in your scratchbox and then type this: export SBOX_REDIRECT_IGNORE=/usr/bin/perl ; export PATH=/usr/bin:$PATH - it'll tell scratchbox's perl to piss off and it'll use Maemo's perl11:02
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mib_zdn6h6Eclipse error: The software items you selected may not be valid with your current installation" shows up.11:03
Passeliqwerty12: thar worked! thanks!11:04
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johnxxLiraNuna, then what about a vm?11:05
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LiraNunaI'm not trying to bypass a problem, I'm trying to solve/understand it11:06
johnxxfair enough, but often wanting to use the official tools and wanting to solve a problem are going to be two things competing for your time11:06
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LiraNunait finally found it11:10
LiraNunain a totally weird way11:10
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zakkmi was wondering if its possible at all, "easily" anyways to have lets say echo theme installed and justttt for the finger keyboard have like another theme .. like a mixture almost.. but just for finger keyboard11:12
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* rmt_ modified his image viewer to load images from zipfiles, thereby replacing comix on his 810.. for source11:14
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johnxxrmt_, hey cool :)11:14
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johnxxzakkm, you'd probably want to make a new custom theme, but I think that's possible11:15
zakkmjohnxx: im wondering if theres seperate entries for finger keyboard and the rest of the gtk theme in gtkrc11:15
qwerty12rmt_: Ever tried the Maemo port of cbrpager? It's in C, unlike Comix which is in python, which made it a ton faster than Comix11:15
zakkmor does fingerkeyboard read a certain part of the gtkrc11:15
johnxxit might just be image files11:15
zakkmcbrpages is slow? at least for me11:16
rmt_qwerty12, Might be good. Mine pipe's unzip, due to buggy VAPI bindings with libgsf11:16
qwerty12zakkm: there are image files and there are gtkrc entries. Some things (like the font used to display the text displayed) is hardcoded in the hildon input method plugin11:17
infobotqwerty12 meant: zakkm: there are image files and there are gtkrc entries. Some things (like the font used to display the text typed) is hardcoded in the hildon input method plugin11:17
zakkmnot font11:17
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zakkmi like the felica? nice black background white when pressed... finger keyboard11:17
zakkmbut i love the echo everything else ( outside finger keyboard )11:17
Meiz_n810qwerty12: could you implement movable-dialogs in Mer theme-changer?11:17
zakkmso i sort of wanted echo + "felica finger keyboard theme"11:18
qwerty12Meiz_n810: Sorry, I don't touch it anymore11:18
qwerty12It's all open for anyone who does wish to11:18
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johnxxqwerty12, don't touch mer or theme changer?11:18
qwerty12johnxx, in true honesty, both11:19
johnxxreal life keeping you busy?11:19
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qwerty12Yeah.. chatting is easy but packaging (and coding like shit) takes a little more time :)11:20
johnxxI know the feeling :)11:21
johnxxoh how I know the feeling11:21
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Stskeepsyeah, and as i just said in #mer, mer is a volunteer effort not a sect, people can come and go if they want - but we're thankful of all contributions done while in :)11:24
* Stskeeps passes qwerty12 a cookie11:24
qwerty12Thanks :)11:25
johnxxI think we owe you a lot more than a cookie :)11:25
Passeliqwerty12: when trying to install module with cpan shell, it will crash and create core file11:25
Passeliusing file, the content is: core: ELF 32-bit LSB core file Intel 80386, version 1 (SYSV), SVR4-style, SVR4-style, from 'qemu-arm-cvs-m'11:25
LiraNunafunny, ./configure --host=arm-linux-gnueabi --prefix=~/maemo/usr  #works just great11:25
johnxxqwerty12, when will you get out towards one of us? or do we have to crash your house to buy you a drink?11:25
qwerty12Passeli: No idea, sorry, I've had scratchbox segfault even when pasting long commands into it >.<11:26
* Stskeeps hugs obs11:26
qwerty12johnxx: Considering I'm not of legal age to buy a drink in this country, the second option may not work out well for you :P11:27
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johnxxqwerty12, I've fled countries before, it's just not as big a deal after the first couple times, so don't sweat it on my account11:28
qwerty12On tmo's birthday session, I misread you as having your 64th birthday :P11:29
johnxxhuh? me?11:31
johnxxyou make me feel old, but I'm not that old yet :P11:31
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qwerty12Lol, yeah, it said johnf :P11:31
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qwerty12I hope that's not one of your stolen identities that you've obtained by leaving countries :)11:33
johnxxwell, that'd be tellin' :)11:34
qwerty12hehe, g'night11:34
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rmt_qwerty12, Hmm, it seems a bit slow loading the next image, though.11:38
rmt_Maybe it re-reads the filelist every time..11:39
qwerty12Ah, fair enough. I would classify it as an improvement over Comix but I haven't seen your viewer yet. :)11:39
rmt_the downside of mine is that it requires a newer gtk .. and it was really designed for fullscreen mode only w/o scrolling..11:40
rmt_I guess adding a file load dialog wouldn't be hard, though.. and possibly switching away from using libgee.11:40
rmt_(to make it run on diablo)11:40
qwerty12That reminds me, I need to reinstall that patched libgtk with wrap-around menus. I reflashed and I hate the fact that I can't press up when at the first item in a menu to go to the last11:41
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tonyyarussois it possible to change the username to something other than 'user'?11:46
timeless_mbpinstall Mer11:48
timeless_mbpor "no, apps expect the username to be user"11:48
timeless_mbpgiven that dbus expects the root user to be named root11:48
timeless_mbpdo you really expect better? :(11:48
* timeless_mbp kicks dbus11:48
timeless_mbpsomeone disabled the 'root' account on my ubuntu box yesterday and the next time i booted, i couldn't move my mouse or use the keyboard from gdm11:49
zakkmdoes it really matter?11:49
timeless_mbptonyyarusso: the only place where it matters that i can think of is ssh, and you can use .ssh/config to change the outbound username11:49
zakkmtimeless_mbp: how do you disable root?11:49
timeless_mbpzakkm: dunno, it happened, i don't log all actions taken by me/agents on my behalf11:50
tonyyarussotimeless_mbp: good point - ssh was the main thing I was thinking of.11:50
timeless_mbpthe userid was changed from 0 to -111:50
timeless_mbpif you're asking what technically happened to /etc/passwd11:50
zakkmi didnt think of that11:50
timeless_mbpi later put in a toor:0 account to chase the problem down11:50
timeless_mbpand eventually mzz (who people can meet this weekend!) figured out how dbus decided to be "special"11:51
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Stskeepsdisabling root with changing userid to -1 is insane. just lock the account? :P11:52
timeless_mbpi didn't do it intentionally11:53
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timeless_mbpi have no idea which thing did it11:53
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timeless_mbpbelieve me, i'll thwap the offender if/when i find him/her11:53
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thuxdoes usb driver effect usb port voltage?12:00
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zakkma driver cant change voltage can it?12:01
zakkmthux: ^12:01
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zakkmcan it?12:03
floriangood morning12:04
thuxi got usb stick dvb and it needs usb hub with linux but not with vista :p12:04
thuxi thought it could be voltage matter12:05
qwerty12thux: In relation to the tablet:
timeless_mbpzakkm: afaiu, usb requires hosts to change the voltage to fit valid requests of clients12:06
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zakkmthats not driver though is it12:07
zakkmtimeless_mbp: your wording confuses me a bit, thats more device changing it depending on what it needs, not the computer driver changing voltage12:08
zakkmlike in windows.. and i install nvidia driver... the nvidia driver cant suddenly be all virus'y on me and start my videocard to overvoltage and break12:09
zakkmcould it?12:09
thuxand it couldn't be os matter either i suppose?12:10
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zakkmthe way i thought it was is like the nokia wants 1.3v lets say to charge it... you plug it in .. the thing sees it wants 1.3v .. it gives it 1.3v12:10
timeless_mbpthe USB-IF strongly recommends this soft start circuit be designed such that the device's current draw doesn't exceed the MaxPower specified in the device's configuration descriptor.12:11
qwerty12zakkm: Why not? Overclocking programs use their own drivers to overclock things and Microsoft seems to push signed drivers a lot.12:11
timeless_mbpzakkm: keep in mind that i'm a software dev, i know nothing about hardware12:11
timeless_mbpotoh, i can pretend to read documents12:11
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timeless_mbpi'm going to assume that the "device's configuration descriptor" is something that one can read dynamically and isn't just something printed in a manual12:12
timeless_mbpbased on the way that section is written, it seems like power is vaguely dynamic and at least hypothetically controllable in software12:12
thuxdamn i thought i could just edit ehci_hcd to crank up more voltage to ubuntu12:13
zakkmqwerty12: so that means oyu could theorically make a program and when ran , it would start to break every hardware mostly, cause it overclocks it to such extreme12:13
timeless_mbpthux: note that i'm only looking at things from a theoretical perspective12:13
timeless_mbpi know nothing about hardware :)12:13
Stskeepstheoretically you can blow up your tablet if you fiddle with BME12:13
timeless_mbpyeah, so "don't do that!"12:14
zakkmqwerty12: overclocking software relies on motherboard support though, i overclock my desktop currently(did through bios)12:14
zakkmStskeeps: would make a good danish weekend finale :)12:14
Stskeepszakkm: i already lost one tablet to development and harsh treatment. :P12:14
zakkmor starting rather.. whos needs a starting gun, just need a tablet and some tech skill :)12:15
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X-FadeStskeeps: Only one? :)12:15
Stskeepsso far12:16
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qwerty12Stskeeps: Mine is probably dying too... the screen went all fuzzy on me once and it kept doing that everytime I switched it on at the Nokia logo that NOLO displays. Until I started it up with the charger in...12:16
Stskeepsqwerty12: yeah..  i had that with macer's too12:18
* Stskeeps sits down and writes the big todo of danish weekend12:18
Stskeeps(as in, my todo)12:18
StskeepsX-Fade: btw, is nokia-binaries token system entirely based?12:19
X-FadeQuite a nice bunch there.12:19
X-FadeStskeeps: What do you mean?12:20
Stskeeps(read: do you have the code if we were to use it for similar situations)12:20
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Stskeepsthe system where you agree to a EULA and you get an apt source :)12:20
X-FadeStskeeps: Marcell wrote it, I guess I can get that for you. (He will be in CPH too btw)12:20
Stskeepsi plan to sit down with you, jeremiah, marcell, qgil and see if we can work something out regarding HW support binaries for N8x0 - the token idea will work just fine12:21
X-FadeStskeeps: We'll need to have a meeting planned there too. So we can see what you guys would need from us.12:21
Stskeepsso far i have the token system and OBS talks12:22
X-Faderepository hosting?12:22
X-Fadepushing community updates in diablo as SSU? :)12:22
Stskeepsi'm not even sure we need repository hosting, unless we make a obs instance for in the longer term12:22
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Stskeepsmmm. maybe, i'm not really in that area (i gave up on diablo entirely)12:23
X-FadeStskeeps: Push community replacement ;)12:23
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Stskeepsi'll gladly give me input though12:23
Stskeepsbbl lunch though12:24
Macerthere really aren't too many original wii games12:28
Macerthey all seem to kind of suck minus the real big name games12:28
Macermostly all the 3rd party games suck12:28
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X-Fadelcuk_bacon: Just to get it going again?12:47
* lcuk_bacon should check how his bug report is goin12:48
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timeless_mbpX-Fade: ping12:48
timeless_mbphover over "   Daniel Gentleman" in firefox12:49
X-Fadetimeless_mbp: What's wrong?12:49
X-FadeAh, space in link?12:49
timeless_mbpXXX Please Fix Me12:49
X-Fade:) will do.. let me see.12:49
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timeless_mbpme sighs12:51
timeless_mbpreading talk v. his article is like night and day12:51
* timeless_mbp sighs12:52
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lcuk_bacontimeless_mbp: which article, hes posted a few last couple of days13:00
timeless_mbpactually, i think i'm wrong about the author13:00
lcuk_baconi agree, the one from jamie was better13:01
amrhm how annoying13:01
amrinstalled rtcomm13:01
amrstill cant access my msn account13:01
amrbut i can in pidgin13:01
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* timeless_mbp ponders13:02
timeless_mbphow is that "annoying"?13:02
Robot101wjt: so, like, haze right? :)13:02
thuxpidgin vs rtcomm which one use more memory?13:04
* wjt explodes13:04
amrtimeless_mbp, because it isn't working :(13:05
wjtamr: sorry :(13:05
amrsorry why?13:05
wjtamr: i haven't updated haze or libpurple lately, hence msn doesn't work any more13:05
* Myrtti gives wjt a cookie13:06
amrill paypal you 5 of my great british pounds to fix it13:06
amrand possibly a cookie13:06
Myrttiplz fixxor itz?13:06
Robot101our keen debian packaging minion is away this month doing exams13:06
Robot101otherwise we could get him to do it13:06
wjtright. let's actually email the libpurple packager ...13:06
amrhm, apparently i need to reboot13:07
amrbrb my dears13:07
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Robot101hey, we can send amr to hunt jonny down and get him to do the packages! :)13:08
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X-Fadetimeless_mbp: Should be better now.13:11
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Macerthe wii saga continues13:36
Macerjohnxx: you got mer working on the wii?13:36
MacerWii Linux currently does not support the Wii's built-in WiFi, even though the drivers for this device are built into the Linux kernel.13:37
Macerwas wondering if you got the internal wifi to work in mer13:37
Stskeepsthink he's asleep13:39
Stskeepshe used ethernet on usb i think13:39
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timeless_mbp>  Last edited by Peter@Maemo Marketing; Today at 03:11 AM.13:43
timeless_mbpwhat the heck was peter doing awake @3am?13:43
X-Fadetimeless_mbp: 3am us timezone?13:43
lcukwhich post got him out of his slumber13:43
Stskeepstimeless_mbp: browsing Talk, obviously13:43
* lcuk has vnc now again13:43
timeless_mbpX-Fade: why the heck would t.m.o be in a us time zone?13:44
timeless_mbpisn't *.m.o in .eu/.fi?13:44
X-Fadetimeless_mbp: talk is in us.13:44
timeless_mbpis there a bug about it not localizing timestamps?13:44
Stskeepsthere's a setting in your control panel13:44
Stskeepsfor it, afaik13:44
X-FadeBut it should show your in timezone.13:44
X-FadeScroll down to the bottom of the page to check.13:45
timeless_mbpAll times are GMT -4. The time now is 06:39 AM.13:45
lcukor go and see peter and see if hes holding eyes open with matchsticks13:45
* timeless_mbp grumbles13:45
timeless_mbpcould someone please fix talk?13:46
X-Fadetimeless_mbp: Set your timezone, it says GMT+2 for me.13:46
timeless_mbp06:39 AM is not a valid time13:46
timeless_mbpthe 0 doesn't belong13:46
timeless_mbpdidn't they learn *anything* from the end user complaints about the tablets? :)13:46
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timeless_mbpX-Fade: um... is this account connected to garage/wiki?13:46
timeless_mbpcan't be bothered13:48
timeless_mbpcontact me when it's integrated13:48
Stskeepswhen sso is made :)13:48
timeless_mbpok, i finished just in time to get lunch13:48
lcukSSO is being organised isnt it13:48
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MacerStskeeps: ah ok. i see13:50
Maceri'm guessing it worked?13:50
Maceri wanted to port gentoo over to it13:50
Maceror ppc debian13:50
Maceri was a little curious if he was able to mount wbfs also13:51
Macerwould be nice to be able to do stuff like that on the wii13:51
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Macermaybe even run hellanzb on it13:51
qwerty12Macer: feel free to build for it ;)13:53
Macerfuse huh?13:54
RST38hmoo all13:54
Macerhow unnative :)13:54
qwerty12moo RST38h13:54
Macerqwerty12: have you tried it?13:55
Maceron the wii itself? :)13:55
lcukmacer, does the wii support xv13:56
qwerty12Nope, I haven't tried Linux for it, I use the XBOX for that :)13:56
Maceri think i am going to try to install gentoo on it if it's at all possible13:56
Macerlcuk: i have no idea. i haven't even tried yet13:56
lcukahhh right13:56
Macerthe wii distro looks very unpromising... when johnxx pops up13:56
Maceri will ask him how mer is on it :)13:56
* lcuk would like to see liqbase on it one day :)13:56
lcukyou know13:56
Macerreally i would just like to be able to download games straight to it13:56
lcuksomeone mentioned about using the new nokia as a wiimote13:57
Maceri have a 400G wbfs hooked up to it now13:57
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lcuki thought it would be inpractical13:57
lcukbut it could do *more* than a mote13:57
Maceryeah that would be a little aswkard13:57
lcukcos of the touchpanel under thumb13:57
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Maceri hate the wiimote13:57
* lcuk likes it13:57
Macerespecially the c button on the nunchuck13:57
Myrtticould be worse13:57
Macersomething about using 2 fingers on the left hand that just throws it off13:57
lcukours are mostly stuck in steering wheels lol13:58
Myrttican I haz a nap? plz13:58
* lcuk loves disneys cars 13:58
RST38hMacer: just buy a classic game pad for it13:58
MacerRST38h: i was thinking about doing that13:58
lcuki help jake to get all the bonuses :)13:58
* RST38h puts Myrtti to sleep13:58
MacerRST38h: is it wired?13:58
qwerty12Classic Controller sucks; get the gamecube controller instead13:58
qwerty12Macer: Classic controller connects to wiimote13:58
RST38hMacer: Afaik, it sits on the wiimote13:58
qwerty12Gamecube controller comes in a wireless form called Wavebird13:58
Maceri hated the gc controller more than the wiimote :)13:58
Macerwell. the gc ports were just usb ports right?13:59
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Maceri know the wii uses the usb for its bt13:59
qwerty12But with homebrew, it's much more supported than the classic controller is. And, normally, it does more iirc13:59
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Macerqwerty12: what is the classic remote basted on ?13:59
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Macerisn't it just like a ps3 controller with a couple less buttons?14:00
Maceri tried playing samurai showdown with the wiimote and almost threw it because it was so crappy to use14:00
Macermario kart isn't too bad14:00
qwerty12Mario kart is awesome with a nunchuk14:01
Maceryeah :) it's all about the manual drifting14:01
qwerty12I hate playing with a wheel; so much less control14:01
qwerty12yep :)14:01
Maceryou get a boost by manual drifting. that was pretty awesome14:01
Maceri don't see how you can play the harder levels in automatic14:01
qwerty12I haz unlimited star cheat :P14:01
Maceroh that's just wrong14:01
Maceri haven't even tried using the cheat engine on it14:02
Macerwhat do they call it.. ocarania or something?14:02
qwerty12Yep, Ocarina14:02
Maceri was more interested in using coverfloader14:02
Macerawesome usb loader :)14:02
qwerty12I use Gecko OS to load cheats up for games I burned and Loadstructor for games on a USB14:02
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qwerty12Loadstructor is my favourite as it just makes channels14:03
Macerthey have an app that makes channels for games and lets you usb load them from the channel14:03
Macermakes wads to install14:03
Macerthought that was pretty interesting14:03
Macerbut coverfloader is great14:03
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Macerhas a 3d interface and downloads the covers automatically14:04
qwerty12That's how I used to load my games until I just burnt them and got back to using my SD card back in the Nokia again :)14:04
Macerthe normal usb loader looks like something from the neorageX era14:04
Macerwell. i was going to try the linux distro they have for it but it looks like it totally sucks and serves no purpose :)14:04
Macerso i want to see how johnxx got mer going on it and if i could use apt14:05
Maceri figure it would just use ppc repos14:05
Macerthe wii is just a G4 with an arm for io14:05
qwerty12I hate the IOS system personally14:05
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Maceri was looking for different ios versions for a while one day14:06
Maceri thought bootmii was cool14:06
Macercan backup the nand in case you do something wrong to it and just restore it14:06
qwerty12Heh, my one is too shi^H^H^Hnew and I can only install it as IOS - not as boot214:07
Macerthat sucks14:07
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Macerdoesn't that kind of defeat the purpose?14:07
Macerif it can't boot the nand then won't you be kind of screwed if you wanted to restore?14:08
qwerty12Yeah, its stated that it's for running programs that use Team Twizzers's MINI14:08
Macerwhat's mini. some sort of hax0red wii kernel?14:08
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Maceri just wish i could run an ftp daemon that mounted the wbfs drive14:09
Macerftpii doesn't work with the sd for some reason. i am guessing because it lacks sdhc support and i moved up to a 4G14:09
qwerty12It's their thing for running programs that don't use the IOS system - thereby gaining control of the entire hardware before Nintendo can do anything14:10
rmt_Hmm.. to get the drag-scrollable area in Gtk, you have to make use of hildon-scroll-area, or it's a gtk thing in general?14:10
Macerqwerty12: ah. i see.14:10
Maceri looked at the older way you had to hack it and using zelda seems like it would have been a pain14:10
Macerthe bannerbomb stuff i used took like 30 secs :)14:11
Macerand works with 4.014:11
qwerty12Yep, used bannerbomb and downgraded to 3.2. Then upgraded to 4.0 using Waninkoko's stuff and trucha signed the IOSes :)14:11
Maceri'm still cracking up at overkill's intro14:11
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Macer"he'll cut your balls" "i will cut your motha fuckin balls off"14:11
Macerthat shit was a riot14:12
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Macerah well. i'm going to try out madworld again14:12
Maceri still can't get it to run14:12
Macergives me a green screen and freezes the wii14:13
Maceri tried every ios out there :) i'm hoping it was because i didn't use the vid patch14:13
Macersome games needed the patch to run14:13
qwerty12Heh. I'm using cioscorp so my IOSes are old as shit :(14:14
Macerwhat ver?14:14
Maceri just installed cios v10 a little while ago14:14
Macerhoping that would fix it :)14:14
Macerjust get the v10 installer14:14
qwerty12Oh, cios rev10. Cioscorp is something that replaces the DIP in all the other IOSes to let you load up backups from the disc channel14:15
Macerwell. i'm on my last 2 downloads. i think i'm up to 70 games14:15
Macerwhy not just use the backup channel?14:15
qwerty12I'm lazy :)14:15
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Macerthe 4.0 soft pack has it included :)14:16
Macerit took me a little while to figure all the stuff out because i've never done it and i had a bit of a learning curve as to how it worked14:16
qwerty12I did everything myself, I don't like using packs - I prefer to know what I'm applying :)14:16
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Macerthe pack only installs 3 things.. well.. 2 really14:16
Macerbootmii... and the different ioses that you need14:17
SummeliI have to try that one too14:17
Macerall it is is a collection14:17
Summelicurrently I'm also using cios rev9 + backup channel, thanks :)14:17
Macerthe methods are the same.. they just packaged the wads for you14:17
qwerty12Ah, cool14:17
MacerSummeli: use a usb hd and a usb loader ;)14:18
Macerit's great. no disc burning or switching14:18
qwerty12I'm waiting on Softcorp so I can use the latest IOSes with the backup DIP14:18
Macerqwerty12: doesn't the backup channel do that same exact thing?14:18
Maceri don't know. messing with the stock disc channel sounds scary14:19
qwerty12Yeah, backup channel doesn't require it but it all comes back up my laziness - I like to load my burnt CDs from the disc channel :)14:19
Macerdoes it let you force regions?14:19
Maceri kept running into pal/ntsc problems14:19
qwerty12No :(, I have to go through a channel for that14:19
Macerit is kind of a pain to load usbfloader from homebrew14:20
Macerwish i could add it as a channel but don't know how14:20
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Macerinstead of having to load home brew then go into usbfloader14:20
Macerer.. coverfloader14:20
Maceri'll probably look into it later14:20
Macerdoing it that way would be totally awesome :)14:21
qwerty12Hasn't no one done it yet? I used to have the original usb loader as a channel until I replaced it with Uniiloader (plain, borning loader but as a channel, it works well in an emergency :))14:21
Maceri don't know14:21
Maceri just got it working yesterday :)14:21
Macerdidn't think about it at the time14:21
Maceri still need to mess with teh bootmii ini so i can set a timer on the boot screen14:21
Maceri have to keep getting up and hitting reset every time i want the damn thing to start up14:22
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qwerty12It supports a timer? All my INI has is just straight autoboot options14:22
Maceri think if you set the autoboot it will default to a 5sec timer14:22
qwerty12But, as I have it installed an IOS, it doesn't make a difference I guess14:22
Macerit's messing with my life :) i hate it that i have to sit there and hit the reset button14:23
Macerand to fix it i have to pull the sd.. edit it.. and put it back14:23
qwerty12You can use a gamecube controller with it :P14:23
Maceri would have to dig one up14:23
Maceri don't even remember wher ei pub my gc controllers14:23
Macerbut those are wired anyways and short.. i'd still have to get up to do it14:23
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Macerwhen i get a chance i will just set the autoboot14:24
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qwerty12Wavebird is still pretty expensive here, costs about the same as a Wiimote >.<14:24
Maceri'm waiting on a couple more downloads then i'm copying this last batch of games over and then making things a little more perm14:24
Macerwhat's a wavebird?14:25
qwerty12Wireless gamecube controller14:25
Macerdoes it use an ir that you plug into the controller port?14:25
Macerthat sounds pretty good14:25
Maceralthough it would look ugly keeping the top open14:25
Maceror do you rip the cover off and replace it with the ir?14:26
qwerty12Yeah, they should have just made that white - they made the cover removable ffs14:26
Macerfigured they could have just made the ir the same size of the cover14:27
Macersomething that you could replace and that would just go into all 4 ports14:27
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Macerwell. the gc ports are just usb ports right?14:27
Macerjust a proprietary port shape14:28
Macerah well.. i'm going to play a game and go to sleep. :)14:28
Macerttyl.. still playing punch out haha14:28
qwerty12Reading Yet Another Gamecube Documentation, they seem proprietary :)14:28
qwerty12Heh, have fun :P14:29
Macerlater on today when i wake up14:30
Maceryou want to try this mario kart against each other? :)14:30
Macerwant to see how good the wii does the whole internet playing crap14:30
qwerty12Heh, I have to GTFO my computer :)14:30
qwerty12Another time though :P14:31
Maceri said later ;)14:31
Macerhaha.. .cool. if you ever find the time14:31
Macernever used a console for internet play before14:31
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Macerttyl ;)14:31
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lcukwhat are "potato croquettes"14:35
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Stskeepsthey're ok14:36
lcukdoesnt help me  know what they are14:38
* lcuk cant open google :P14:38
aspect(deep?) fried mashed potato with stuff in it14:39
aspectsometimes cheese, that goes well14:39
lcukmmm sounds lovely14:40
aspectthey can be pretty yummy14:40
lcukso they are like posh waffles?14:40
aspectnot really14:40
lcuk(this is a really good topic for dinnertime)14:40
lcuktoastie pockets :D14:40
aspectmore like little balls of fried potato :)14:41
lcukcool, so my missus will enjoy eating her balls then14:41
* lcuk winces14:41
aspectdinnertime? what part of the world are you in?14:41
aspectif it's dinner time there, the sun is broken14:42
lcuk12-1 == dinner time, has been since i was a little kid14:42
qwerty12_N800it is: it's all wet in London14:42
lcuktea time is 5-6pm (or later depending on factors outside my control)14:42
aspectah of course .. european dinner time :)14:43
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lcukaspect, where are you14:43
aspectI had dinner just a few hours ago :)14:44
aspectand lunch a while before that14:44
lcukcool, not many aus users in here usually.14:45
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fiferboylbt: ping15:46
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lbtfiferboy: ack15:50
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fiferboylbt: acknowledged or frustrated noise?15:50
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lbtacknowledged :)15:50
lbtcompiled up last nigh15:51
lbtmade a few changes15:51
lbtmoved the API to d->15:51
lbtand triggered everything by DynamicPropertyChange Events15:51
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fiferboylbt: Awesome.  Can you send me the source files?15:53
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fiferboylbt: Did you rearrange FingerScrollBars at all?16:19
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lbtthe functions16:20
lbtnot the appearance16:20
lbtI only glanced at it at around 2am16:20
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wazdheya everybody16:37
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Bobbehey wazd16:41
fiferboyhey wazd16:41
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fiferboylbt: Have you sent the files?16:42
Jaffahi wazd16:42
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amrhmm, im getting errors installing scratchbox16:44
amrSetting up scratchbox-core (1.0.11) ...16:44
amrdpkg: error processing scratchbox-core (--configure):16:44
amrand then everything else fails16:44
amr/var/lib/dpkg/info/scratchbox-core.postinst: 92: /scratchbox/sbin/sbox_configure: not found16:44
* fiferboy is installing Mer16:45
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fiferboylbt: Have you put in any Mer flags (Q_OS_MER?) in the Mer Qt build?16:53
lbtnot yet16:53
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lbtalso, just sorting out the files16:54
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RST38hWhere is ">call 555-5555 <enter>" ? =)17:04
Stskeepslook at Hardware ;)17:04
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Bobbewazd, can't believe I fell for the rick'rolling17:11
Bobbeshould be used to it by now17:11
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lcukmobile application optimization - share your tips :)
coldbootHas anyone got gdb working in scratchbox 2 at all?17:25
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Jaffalcuk: -6.75 glasses for the tiny 3.5" screen? ;-)17:28
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danielwilmslcuk: nice post!17:30
* Stskeeps ponders if dabbling in powerlaunch will be good for his sanity17:30
RST38hlcuk: principles of optimization are nly partically the same17:30
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Stskeeps'    WARNING: due to user now being listed in lifeguard.uids, lifeguard17:33
Stskeeps    will do a reset in case of a user-started client respawning too fast17:33
Stskeepsoh boy17:33
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lcukRST38h, thats exactly what i say17:43
lcukdanielwilms, thanks, thats what i attempted to get over a couple of weeks ago17:43
lcukand jaffa :P we need telephoto upgrades to our eyes17:44
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lcukactually, misread you there rst - they are universal17:46
lcukive used much the same techniques getting liqbase fast here as I started on the amiga17:47
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lcukand i do the same in visual basic on windows (there the optimization is for a different reason but same effect)17:47
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sanjay6976how to run application binaries built on sbox_DIABLO_ARMEL on the device .I tried with ./myapp but nothing comes up17:52
sanjay6976any Idea? :)17:52
lcukhave you tried just actually running the binary17:53
lcukand i assume you have copied it across and are running from an executable location17:54
lcuk(ie not mmc1/2 by default)17:54
sanjay6976i was trying from mmc217:54
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sanjay6976so  where should i try from17:54
sanjay6976lcuk:i mean where should i copy the binaries ?17:55
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rmt_sanjay6976, home directory17:59
rmt_sanjay6976, mmc1/mmc2 are vfat, and have noexec set by default.17:59
rmt_(which means that binaries may not be run from them)17:59
rmt_(it's a security feature)18:00
sanjay6976where will be the executable location18:01
rmt_/home/user - I usually create a $HOME/bin wherever I am, and put my own binaries and scripts in there.18:02
coldbootHas anyone got breakpoints in main() working in scratchbox2?18:02
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sanjay6976one more question can i take the source and run make on my device?18:03
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rmt_sanjay6976, No.. you can install the necessary build tools on it, but it's very very slow.. it's really not worth it18:04
RST38hthat is still yes though18:04
rmt_It's yes after he installs the dependencies, no beforehand.18:04
rmt_I'm wondering whether the new ARM's would be good build devices..18:04
rmt_Considering getting a beagleboard.  Same ops?18:05
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sanjay6976can you tell what is the make tool that i can use because i need make for my application18:08
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Myrttisanjay6976: say, what?18:09
fiferboylbt: Got your changes.  Compiling now18:10
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sanjay6976if i give "make" it says command not found18:10
lbtah, your application uses make and when you copy it to the device, there is no make18:11
lbtyou need to install it...18:11
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lbtas root try: apt-get install make18:11
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* lbt is in Mer where that will work... not sure about Diablo18:12
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*** mgedmin has joined #maemo18:18 ./myapp is giving  me "illegal instruction"18:19
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matzenhsanjay6976: chmod +x myapp18:22
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sanjay6976still its giving me "illegal instruction"18:23
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sanjay6976i have copied the executable to /home/user18:24
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mikkov_is compiled for ARMEL?18:24
mikkov_is it ...18:24
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X-Fadesanjay6976: in scratchbox: file myapp18:25
X-FadeJust to be sure it is not i386.18:25
sanjay6976yeah its complied on armel18:26
X-Fadesanjay6976: Does file tell you that?18:27
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sanjay6976x-Fade:sorry but didn't get you18:29
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sanjay6976file tells me that means18:30
X-Fadesanjay6976: Did 'file' confirm that it actually is an armel binary?18:30
sanjay6976i have compiled it in armel18:30
lbtsanjay6976: there is a command called "file" ... it tells you information about a file.18:30
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X-Fadesanjay6976: I'm pretty sure that you compiled it in armel, but it actually didn't do that ;)18:31
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X-Fadesanjay6976: file is a utility that can examine any file and tell what it is.18:32
lbtsanjay6976: In scratchbox you must type: file myapp18:32
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sanjay6976its giving me  ELF 32-bit LSB executable, ARM, version 1 (SYSV), for GNU/Linux 2.6.14, dynamically linked (uses shared libs), not stripped18:34
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X-Fadesanjay6976: That should be ok.18:35
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X-Fadesanjay6976: Does your app use any special libs?18:36
coldbootHas anyone got breakpoints in main() working in scratchbox2?18:37
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crashanddiecoldboot, nope18:37
sanjay6976x-Fade:yeah its a qt application and it uses qt libs18:37
coldbootDoes anyone here actually use scratchbox 2?18:37
crashanddiecoldboot, in opposition to?18:37
coldbootScratchbox 118:38
crashanddiecoldboot, why would you use sb1?18:38
lbtsanjay6976: and are they installed on the device?18:38
coldbootcrashanddie: I'm sure you can think of a few answers on your own.18:38
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lbtdoes qtdemo or any other Qt app work?18:39
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sanjay6976will check that18:39
crashanddiecoldboot, I don't like scratchbox, rather go with sb218:40
fiferboylbt: The latest changes for Fremantle i386 in Scratchbox give me a segfault on starting a Qt program18:40
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crashanddiecoldboot, what issues do you get in sb2 when debugging?18:41
sanjay6976fiferboy:yes that's true the qmake-qt4 command itself is giviging me segmentation fault core dumped18:42
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lbtfiferboy: my Mer ones are fine but they're Diablo based18:44
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fiferboylbt: I'm going to try a compile for Diablo ARMEL and see what is what18:44
lbtyeah, I'm focused on Mer ATM ... can't keep track of too many OSes18:45
crashanddiesanjay6976, just trace the coredump18:45
lbtI intend to use the fremantle Qt on mer post CPH18:45
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oDudahello all !18:47
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sanjay6976crashanddie:how to trace that if you can tell a bit i don't know particular file that i need to see i mean log file or something18:47
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coldbootcrashanddie: It doesn't set breakpoints in main at all.18:47
coldbootI just posted to scratchbox-users about it this morning.18:47
oDudacan i browse all the files and folders in maemo using file manager ?18:48
fiferboylbt: CPH?18:48
X-FadeCPH baby!18:48
X-Fadefiferboy: Copenhagen meeting18:49
fiferboyX-Fade: Thanks.18:49
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crashanddiecoldboot, hmm, interesting18:51
crashanddiecoldboot, sb2-prepare; b main; r18:51
sanjay6976X-Fade: thanks i will go through it and try]18:51
crashanddiecoldboot, or b main; sb2-prepare; r18:51
sanjay6976X-Fade:thanks :)18:52
crashanddieX-Fade, you're stealing my karma :(18:52
oDudacan i browse all the files and folders in maemo using file manager ?18:52
coldbootcrashanddie: I tried both individually, not in sequence. The message says to use sb2-prepare exclusively to set the breakpoint, it doesn't say to do `br main` afterwards.18:53
coldbootcrashanddie: I'll try both ways, though.18:53
X-Fadecrashanddie: Huh?18:53
sanjay6976oDuda:yes u can on device18:53
crashanddiecoldboot, actually, it doesn't say that18:53
coldbootcrashanddie: It implies that sb2-prepare will set the breakpoint.18:53
crashanddiecoldboot, true, badly worded, though, I don't know if what I said is going to work18:54
coldbootcrashanddie: Regardless, `sb2-prepare; br main` and `br main; sb2-prepare` do nothing different.18:54
oDudasanjay6976 thank you... os2008 and n800 only let me browse the main folders, like documents, videos, etc ...18:54
sanjay6976u need to install package usb-otg18:55
coldbootcrashanddie: any ideas?18:56
coldbootcrashanddie: Does it work on your system?18:56
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crashanddiecoldboot, did you compile with -g? And have you tried putting bps through filename:line ?18:56
coldbootcrashanddie: What's bps?18:57
crashanddiecoldboot, don't have sb installed at the moment, can't test18:57
crashanddiecoldboot, breakpoints18:57
crashanddiecoldboot, b main.c:6018:57
coldbootcrashanddie: Yeah I know, I'll try.18:57
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crashanddiecoldboot, can you put breakpoints outside the main function? I remember doing some extensive debugging using sb2 so I'm quite surprised to hear this. Would you have the makefile?18:58
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coldbootcrashanddie: I've only got a main() function, the Makefile is just a default Makefile made by qmake. I just checked and it wasn't build with debug symbols.18:59
oDudasanjay6976 thank you ! usb-otg in pc ? but maemo's file manager cannot be used for browse other folders ?19:00
_zeequick question on nokia n810 (there's a lot of confusing info online)  I realize there is an expansion available for using regular sized sd, but is 8gb of micro (in a mini adapter)the max i can use?19:01
coldbootcrashanddie: Even when compiled with -g, I can't sb2-prepare or set breakpoints by line number.19:01
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oDuda_zee to me, maemo only used 112 MBytes of virtual memory...19:02
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crashanddieoDuda, WHOOOOOOSH19:02
crashanddie_zee, you can't use regular sized SD on the n810, only mini-SD or smaller (micro-SD)19:03
oDuda_zee is that you was asking for ?19:03
sanjay6976ioDuda:f u install an usb icon comes up on the top bar of te desktop if u click on that u could get a USB UTG host mode19:03
_zeei'd like to put... uh many things [read: music/movies] on it19:03
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_zeeit says 8GB Max19:04
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crashanddie_zee, the n810 supports SDHC, so (using the proper adapter) you can put a microSD on it, with 16Gigs19:04
coldbootcrashanddie: Can't set a breakpoint in any other arbitrary function that's not main().19:04
crashanddie_zee, and even 32gb when that comes out19:04
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oDuda_zee sorry, i was flying far ! hehe19:04
_zeebut putting more than 8 of sdhc doesn't negatively affect battery life/functionality at all?19:04
crashanddie_zee, nope19:04
crashanddie_zee, well, it will affect the battery19:05
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crashanddie_zee, in the way that you'll use it more because less bored19:05
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_zeeside question, (i'm somewhat of a linux newb), what is the accelerated education path from beginning linux/shell scripting to contributing to maemo?19:06
oDudasanjay6976 - maemo never browses your own files at any folders ?19:07
crashanddiecoldboot, hang on, are you in armel target?19:08
mmoraisi can't flash my N800, "To flash the bootloader, you have to supply the X-Loader image"19:08
mmoraishow i solve this?19:08
coldbootcrashanddie: No, i38619:09
crashanddie_zee, there's a bunch of different areas in which Maemo can be helped, coding is only one of them, and -- no offence -- we probably already have more than enough coders19:09
Stskeepswe do19:09
sanjay6976oDuda:do you mean on internalmemory card?19:09
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coldboot_zee: Many years of hard work, zee, many years.19:10
amrwhats mmc1 and mmc2 ?19:10
coldboot_zee: To contribute to code, that is.19:10
coldbootamr: Multi-media card 1 and 2.19:10
amrwell i got that :p19:10
coldbootamr: There are two sdcards stuck in the nokia n81019:11
amrtheres only one card on the n810!19:11
amroh are there?!19:11
coldbootamr: Yeah there's two.19:11
crashanddiecoldboot, I s'pose you read this?
amrones at the bottom, is the other internal or something?19:11
crashanddieamr, one is not-removable19:11
coldbootamr: One is brilliantly sized at 256mb, not annoying at all.19:11
crashanddiecoldboot, no it's not19:11
crashanddiecoldboot, one is sized at 2GB, the other one is empty19:12
crashanddieyou're referring to the internal root partition19:12
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coldbootIt fills up eventually.19:12
amrmmc2 is apparently 1.9GB and mmc1 is apparently 971.1MB19:13
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oDudasanjay6976: oDuda:do you mean on internalmemory card? -->> yes ! on main internal memory too...19:13
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crashanddieamr, mmc1 is the card you pushed in your n81019:14
coldbootcrashanddie: Thanks, I'll read the debugging guide.19:14
crashanddieamr, so that would be correct if you put a 1GB card in there19:14
oDudasanjay6976 all the folders that maemo have !19:14
amrmakes sense19:14
sanjay6976oDuda:yeah i am able to browse that19:14
crashanddiecoldboot, ywnp19:14
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crashanddieoDuda, how about you explain your issue from the start?19:15
crashanddieoDuda, there's a lot of noise in this channel, sum up your issue in one or two lines19:15
qwerty12oDuda, ln -s / /home/user/MyDocs/all_my_shit19:15
crashanddieI guess that answer summed it up nicely19:16
crashanddiehi qwerty12 o/19:16
qwerty12hey crashanddie :)19:16
crashanddiehow you doin' neighbour?19:16
qwerty12I'm good thanks, how about you?19:16
sanjay6976[sbox-DIABLO_ARMEL: ~] > qmake-qt4  Segmentation fault (core dumped)19:16
amrheh, that looks ridiculous19:16
opengeekv21hi i'm having some problems installing the maemo 5 sdk beta on ubuntu 64 bits someone could help me?19:16
sanjay6976can anybody help with  this i am really struggling with this19:17
crashanddieqwerty12, yeah, i'm good, been working a bit too much lately, taking off some time by helping out on #maemo :)19:17
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crashanddiesanjay6976, did you read up on using the core-dump to see what was going on?19:17
qwerty12crashanddie: hehe, I've got me exams to go back to at the end of the week :)19:17
crashanddieqwerty12, nice, which ones?19:17
oDudathank you all ! i just wanna browse all maemo folders on n800 using file manager of maemo too... can i ?19:18
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qwerty12crashanddie: English Language, Maths (Calculator paper) & History19:18
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crashanddieoDuda, type the command qwerty12 gave you in a console19:18
oDudahow ?19:19
crashanddieoDuda, you're the kinda guy who pisses off helpers19:19
crashanddieoDuda, ln -s / /home/user/MyDocs/all_my_shit19:19
qwerty12Oh, I'm not pissed off, it's the only name that came to my head :P19:19
opengeekv21i have scratchbox installed but i have problems while running script19:19
oDudasorry sorry i will search by myself ! sorry...19:20
crashanddieqwerty12, wasn't referring to that, just that the guy doesn't even look up19:20
qwerty12Ah, I see :)19:20
crashanddieoDuda, main menu, utilities, click down up to x-terminal19:20
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crashanddie[ Waiting for a mission | Send me another one ]19:21
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oDudai know how to gain root etc i wanna browse... to do this using "ln -s / /home/user/MyDocs/all_my_shit" will let me browse ?19:22
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opengeekv21what abut installong maemo 5 beta sdk in ubuntu 64 bits?19:22
crashanddieopengeekv21, quite hard to help you out without knowing what the problems are19:22
coldbootcrashanddie: The guide doesn't say how to debug with the i386 target.19:22
opengeekv21crasganddie: i see, i make a copy paste od the error on my terminal19:22
crashanddieopengeekv21, NO19:23
crashanddieopengeekv21, don't post it here19:23
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crashanddieoDuda, yup, it will create a symbolic link in your MyDocs directory (which is displayed in the file browser) to the root of your filesystem19:23
opengeekv21only 11 lines19:23
crashanddieopengeekv21, do not post it here19:23
infobot[~pastebin] A "pastebin" is a web-based service where you can paste anything over 3 lines without flooding the channel. Here are links to a few : , , , ,
crashanddiecoldboot, oh19:24
opengeekv21crashanddie: it is in pastebin19:24
crashanddiehang on, I'll just guess the link...19:25
* crashanddie facepalms19:25
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qwerty12If you don't have scratchbox running (like that error message suggests), VDSO may be your problem19:26
opengeekv21opengeekv21: VDSO is down19:26
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opengeekv21opengeekv21: i've edited a configuration file to deactivate it19:26
opengeekv21opengeek: *disable it19:27
crashanddieNot the sharpest tool in the shed I take it? Talking to yourself now?19:27
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opengeekv21crashanddie: i'm a noob i know it19:27
amrdoes the built in mail client only obey the 'check every 15 mins' rule when it's connected to a network?19:28
crashanddieamr, you can configure it19:28
amri don't want it trying to connect every 15 mins when it should be offline :p19:28
crashanddieamr, but yeah, by default it only connects when online19:28
oDudacrashanddie: sorry by boring you... im 46 yo and i my job was to support users by 12 years... i hate to bore anybody.. i know what is that... I THANK YOU !19:28
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qwerty12opengeekv21: You can try running "sb-menu" and using the killall option to send signal 9 and try running the script again19:28
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opengeekv21querty12: there is some way to know if i am running a scratchbox session and to kill it?19:29
crashanddieoDuda, you don't bore anyone, don't worry :)19:29
amrsorted, thanks crashanddie19:29
crashanddieoDuda, I just turned exactly half your age :D Just turned 23 yesterday :)19:29
amrhappy birthday for yesters19:29
qwerty12crashanddie: Oh, happy belated birthday :)19:29
Stskeepsscary, i made dsme build under mer19:30
crashanddiethanks :)19:30
oDudacrashanddie Happy Birthday to you !19:30
qwerty12opengeekv21: dunno, ps -aux | grep qemu ?19:30
* Stskeeps is terrified.19:30
opengeekv21carshanddie: happy birthday19:30
rmt_pview installable for diablo from: deb /19:30
opengeekv21qwerty12: when i run the first command you said me it gives mi te inconsistencys that in tha pastebin19:31
oDudacrashanddie leons are not so supported of patience19:31
rmt_Runs with only the libgee0 library as extra now.. quite fast.. purpose built. :)19:31
crashanddieopengeekv21, what did you do exactly to deactivate VDSO? echo 0 > /proc/sys/vm/vdso_enabled as root?19:32
ShadowJKfunny, I ordered a mugen battery for my n800.. just finished testing.. It's labeled "1800mAh", but the middke-pin resistor is signaling 1200mAh.. Full charge, rundown until shutdown, analyze logging by ftd, and I arrive at 1152 mAh, which is within error margin for what the battery itself claims :)19:32
ShadowJK600 "marketing" mAh :)19:32
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crashanddieanyone ever tried the n810 extended battery?19:33
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qwerty12rmt_: This the viewer that needs a newer GTK? :)19:33
opengeekv21crashanddie: no i edited /boot/grub/menu.lst with a kopt19:33
oDudaohhhhh may, 26 is cancer ?19:33
crashanddieopengeekv21, try sudo echo 0 > /proc/sys/vm/vdso_enabled19:34
ShadowJKcrashanddie: the one with the door? I'm tempted to try both19:34
opengeekv21crashanddie: no such file or directory19:34
crashanddieShadowJK, eh?19:34
crashanddieopengeekv21, what OS are you running?19:34
opengeekv21crashanddie: Ubuntu Jaunty 64 bits19:35
rmt_qwerty12, needed19:35
rmt_qwerty12, Got rid of the dependencies.19:35
ShadowJKthere's one same physical size as standard n810 battery, and one that's thicker and comes with replacement door/cover19:35
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rmt_qwerty12, Not the comix replacement, though.. that one does need a newer gtk. :-(19:35
qwerty12rmt_: Awesome, you should think about uploading it to Extras :)19:35
rmt_qwerty12, Or some custom C.19:35
crashanddieopengeekv21, can you paste the exact line you typed in the console?19:35
rmt_qwerty12, When I've got it building from source, and the latest vala compiled in scratchbox.. having issues with it atm.19:36
qwerty12opengeekv21: try the module found here: (haven't used it myself)19:36
rmt_I just deb'd up the binary19:36
crashanddieShadowJK, ah, well, I'm tempted to go with the fat one19:37
opengeekv21crashanddie: echo 0 > /proc/sys/vm/vdso_enabled19:37
qwerty12rmt_: IIRC, Jaffa maintains vala in Extras. If you need a newer version in there, prod him :)19:37
opengeekv21qwerty12: what is this?19:37
crashanddieopengeekv21, weird, don't know where vdso could've gone19:37
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qwerty12opengeekv21: I thought the description was pretty explanatory?19:38
opengeekv21qwerty12: oh sorry19:38
ShadowJKif the slim n810 is of similar quality as the slim n800 it's not worth it unless you've tortured your existing batery to near-death.. my n800 was second hand and the previous owner had managed to kill the battery to half its original capacity :)19:38
rmt_Jaffa, *prod*19:38
crashanddieopengeekv21, it's your OS19:38
rmt_Jaffa, 0.7.2 or 0.7.3 would be good.. I want #if MAEMO :)19:38
crashanddieopengeekv21, scratchbox is broken on 64bit systems since a particular kernel update19:38
crashanddieopengeekv21 & qwerty12:
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qwerty12Ah, thanks for the link. 32-bit here, so I'm safe :)19:39
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crashanddiejust run debian sarge and you'll be fine :P19:40
ShadowJKand it's not that they sent me an old battery either. It's fresh. To use an analogy, it runs like on steroids until it runs out, and drops incredibly fast at the end. My old battery was old and tired, and complained with low battery warnings ages before tablet shutdown19:40
crashanddieShadowJK, same here19:41
opengeekv21crashanddie & qwerty12: thanks19:41
crashanddieShadowJK, I have a battery that will go for about 2 days full blast and then suddenly just crap out19:41
crashanddieand really like using the interface, battery icon is full, and suddenly screen goes black, completely shut down19:42
opengeekv21opengeekv21: ill try it on a virtualbox debian/ubuntu 32 bits19:42
crashanddieopengeekv21, wrong nickname again ;)19:42
opengeekv21qwerty12 & crashanddie: yes, talking to me again19:42
ShadowJKwill be unteresting to see how the battery metering behaves after a full recharge19:42
opengeekv21opengeekv12: bye19:43
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mgedminincidentally, is there a way to change the label of an sd card without reformatting it?19:45
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Stskeepsfor the danish weekend people missing info on hotel: sorry for the delay in sending that email out to all sponsored participants. That email should go out in a few hours.19:47
Stskeeps(lcuk, sampppa etc)19:47
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timeless_mbpStskeeps: which list did you send to?19:48
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* timeless_mbp is flying tomorrow morning and will lose access to mailboxes RSN19:49
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Stskeepstimeless_mbp: i asked the mozilla guy about it since he said on 25th info would come out shortly19:49
timeless_mbpoh, i got some info then19:49
Stskeepsso i was quoting from his mail19:49
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Stskeepsyou'll be staying at cabinn too?19:50
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crashanddiemgedmin, tune2fs -L19:57
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mgedmincrashanddie: on a VFAT partition? really?19:58
mgedminbecause I don't believe you19:58
crashanddiemgedmin, hmm, you didn't specify a VFAT partition :-*19:58
mgedminthat happens to be the default for all SD cards you buy19:58
qwerty12mgedmin: dostools comes with mlabel19:59
qwerty12mgedmin: dostools comes with mlabel19:59
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crashanddiemgedmin, fat partitions also happen to be bad, by default :P19:59
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mgedmindo you suggest thin partitions instead? :)20:01
crashanddieI certainly do20:01
crashanddiethough, I think anorexic partitions are a bit too extreme, like reiser, that's murder20:01
Stskeepswhat happened to reiser anyway? death sentence or was it canada? :P20:03
mgedminreiser was impressive: when I switched from ext2 (or was it 3?) to reiserfs, it freed up extra 100 megs on my 700 mb partition20:03
mgedminit was also likely to corrupt essential system files (/etc/modutils.conf) making the system fail to boot after a crash, which is why I stopped using it20:04
thuxhow to do mkfs.jffs2? what program needed20:04
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coldbootWhy would my arm target be compiling extremely slow in scratchbox 2?20:07
Stskeepsit may be fully emulated?20:08
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coldbootStskeeps: How do you fix that?20:08
Stskeepswell did you point it to a toolchain and not sb2 -e'ing? :P20:09
coldbootYou mean run `maemo-sdk set toolchain`?20:10
Stskeeps.. okay, admittedly i never used sdk+20:10
Stskeepsjust sb2 raw20:10
Meizirkkihmm, BSD license seems to be a lot shorter and easier to understand that GPL20:10
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coldbootStskeeps: What does it mean to use sb2 raw and not sdk+?20:11
infobotMeizirkki meant: hmm, BSD license seems to be a lot shorter and easier to understand than GPL20:11
coldboothaha, hilarious20:11
coldbootThe fact that someone wrote that bot is so funny.20:11
StskeepsMeizirkki: yeah, now which is the more free one.. :)20:12
coldbootStskeeps: I was running scons from within the runtime environment, entered with `maemo-sdk enter runtime`.20:12
coldbootBSD License is really just "Take the code and do whatever you want, just include the license and original author".20:12
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qwerty12Everyone knows that: is the best license20:13
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MakavelCan I run python apps on meomo?20:16
coldbootStskeeps: The reason I've been building from within the runtime environment is because python can't be found when I do "sb2 scons".20:16
coldbootStskeeps: And I've definitely installed python, and scons for maemo...20:16
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mgedminMakavel: yes, assuming you meant "maemo"20:17
Makavelmgedmin: Yeah.... thanks. It was a typo20:17
MakavelDo i have to install a python runtime or what?20:18
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* Stskeeps still ponders if he'll get lynched in cph for some of his views on maemo20:18
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coldbootStskeeps: What's cph?20:19
coldbootStskeeps: What are your views on maemo?20:19
Stskeepscoldboot: 'Maemo is harmed by it's history and still suffers from having had to be fit in a sardine can like hardware previously, taking care not to waste any memory, cpu or storage space. ', etc20:20
Myrtticoldboot: copenhagen20:20
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mgedminMakavel: probably20:21
Stskeepswe have a danish developer weekend this week20:21
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Stskeepsi'll probably upset some by saying developing for maemo is a headache, but try to show why and how it can be made better :P20:22
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Stskeepslo andrewfblack20:24
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opengeekv21Stskeeps: making proper precompilated packages20:25
opengeekv21Stskeeps: Only install a mameo SDK is a headache itself20:25
* andrewfblack wonders if he should get a mifi 2200 from Verison20:26
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coldbootWhy would `sb2 python` not find python?20:50
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coldbootWhen I `maemo-sdk enter runtime`, I can run python, make, scons, etc. When I'm outside and run `sb2 python`, `sb2 scons`, neither work, but `sb2 make` works fine. Where does sb2 load its commands from?20:52
GenKreton__I am trying to follow Kortsi's instructions on to safely get my data off my continually rebooting n810, but I don't own an sd card, so I was wondering if someone could tell me what /dev/ the internal 2gb card is so I can mount it, delete off the mp3's, and backup my data to it so I can flash?20:53
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qwerty12_N800GenKreton__: that script looks like  it'll backup to the internal 2gb already20:56
qwerty12_N800(looking at #4)20:56
GenKreton__qwerty12_N800: can you help me so I can just backup the 128 mb ram to the 2gb internal?20:57
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GenKreton__I have one shot to get this right, since I can't see if I got it without flashing it and overwriting my 128 mb :)20:58
* andrewfblack wonders why Reggie wont update minimalist 2.0 again for me20:58
GenKreton__mmcblk0p1 is the 128 mb flash I assume and mtdblock420:59
Stskeepsandrewfblack: busy man maybe.. doesn't he run several forums?20:59
GenKreton__is the external card20:59
GenKreton__so what device is the internal 2gb?20:59
andrewfblackStskeeps: yeah but I figured he would drop me a line and say it would take a while sometimes i think my pms get lost in his message box lol21:00
coldbootDoes anyone know where the command `sb2` loads programs from? I have python installed in my armel rootstrap, and I can run python from within the runtime environment, but `sb2 python` doesn't work, command not found.21:00
qwerty12_N800GenKreton__:mtdblock4 is the flash, mmcblk0p1 should be the internal 2gb21:00
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GenKreton__qwerty12_N800: so what is the dev for the internal 128 mb?21:00
qwerty12_N800mtdblock4 :)21:01
GenKreton__oh weird21:01
coldbootStskeeps: Do you know how to get `sb2 python` to run?21:01
Stskeepscoldboot: sorry no21:01
coldbootStskeeps: Do you know who uses scratchbox 2 here?21:01
Stskeepsi use OBS now and have left maemo sdk development in the dust :P21:01
coldbootStskeeps: What's OBS?21:01
Stskeepsopensuse build service but it's not quite ready for maemo devel yet :P21:02
coldbootStskeeps: Maemo really does suck, it's horrendously awkward to do most complicated things, and there's such a small community it's hard to get help with anything.21:02
ShadowJKever tried s60? :)21:02
Stskeepsah, i wouldn't say it's small21:02
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lcukcoldboot, question - why are you using scratchbox to do python dev?21:11
lcuksurely its more logical and simple to just do it on device21:11
lcukbut, if you wanna go the long way round :)21:12
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oDuda<-- the terrific is back21:12
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lcukhey oDuda \o21:14
lcukthanks for welcoming me back :D21:14
coldbootlcuk: I'm using scons as my build system, and I can't run it with sb2.21:14
coldbootlcuk: Either way, running `sb2 something_that's_obviously_in_the_path` should work regardless, I would say.21:14
lcuki wouldnt know, i started developing natively and never looked back21:15
lcuktho python is such a slow language for anything more than glue21:15
crashanddieand even then21:15
zakkmlcuk: i got my tablet back ;p what was that link for the liqbase "nightly"?21:15
coldbootlcuk: What would you rather have?21:15
lcukhey seb \o im used to vb lol21:15
crashanddiePython's POO model is pretty dodgy frankly21:16
zakkmi want to check it out21:16
lcukso its rapid in comparison21:16
crashanddielcuk, hang on, I got a good video for you, but you've probably already seen it21:16
coldbootlcuk: Personally I can't stand using regular expressions in C++, it's the opposite of elegant.21:16
lcuk:) heh zakkm ive never called it a nightly before but i suppose thats what i t is21:16
torkianohello all, any port documentation for maemo 5?21:16
lcukme neither21:16
zakkmthats why i put in quotations :P21:16
lcukso i dont use em21:16
zakkmwhat do you call it?21:17
crashanddiecoldboot, aren't regular expressions the opposite of elegant, no matter the language?21:17
lcukits a bit old now, and you have to have voted and rated the yt video at least 5 times21:17
zakkm0508? thats the newest?21:17
lcukto download it21:17
zakkmdoes that have the vid 5 stuff?21:17
torkianoAll the doc I found is for maemo 4.1, is still valid? (
coldbootcrashanddie: It's the best way to do string parsing.21:17
lcukzakkm, its enough surely to start :P21:17
zakkmheh kk21:18
crashanddiecoldboot, you're evading the question :P21:18
zakkmthanks :P21:18
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lcuk   watch and rate that and ill open the download lol21:18
coldbootcrashanddie: I looked up elegant, to be precise, and regular expressions are the most elegant way to do string parsing, I'd say.21:18
coldbootcrashanddie: I meant C++'s representation of them were ugly.21:18
zakkmdang my tablet turned off at night21:18
coldbootcrashanddie: regex's certainly beat tedious if conditions to do parsing.21:19
lcukwhich part, its a string definition with the same syntax isnt it?21:19
lcuklol zakkm21:19
zakkmlcuk: ahh i forgot to post, i voted though when you made that21:19
crashanddiecoldboot, I never questioned regexes as such21:19
* lcuk is joking of course, its not linked really 21:19
crashanddiecoldboot, I just think they're buttugly21:19
zakkmim aware, its already on my tablet ;p21:19
lcukregexs are brainfucks all to themselves21:19
coldbootcrashanddie: I think they're beautiful. ;)21:19
lcukdamn zakkm, there goes my chance of gettin into the top2021:20
Stskeepslcuk: when you know the theory they make sense21:20
zakkmim posting im posting ;p21:20
zakkmwe should digg it :)21:20
zakkm"The iphone killer"21:20
crashanddieI think Summer Glau is beautiful, I guess that's the main difference between the two of us coldboot ;)21:20
lcukStskeeps, i know what the intent is, it just hurts my head21:20
lcukzakkm, no you shouldnt21:20
lcukthe :D was about summer glau21:21
zakkmyou guys watch tscc?21:21
crashanddiew00t, yet another story with 4 diggs, and yet another story titled "iphone killer"21:21
crashanddiethe n8x0 will never be an iphone killer21:21
lcukcos the iphone is amazing and for very good reason it sits as a standard21:21
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lcukbut having said that, i stopped finger painting years ago ;)21:22
crashanddiemain reason: the n8x0 DOESN'T DO PHONE :D21:22
crashanddielcuk, have you seen the new yorker fingerpainting?21:22
lcuki do think it has sliqness on its side that iphone wont come near21:22
zakkmthe ipod OS is very nice ;p21:22
lcukyeah 1 painting21:22
zakkmhow do they make it so fast?21:22
crashanddiezakkm, two things21:22
lcuklow res21:22
crashanddiezakkm, access to the graphics chip21:22
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crashanddiezakkm, one single language and set of libraries on the whole platform21:22
lcukliqbase gets about 100fps when in same res as iphone21:23
lcuki think21:23
lcuki havent changed res in months tho lol21:23
amrwhat is liqbase anyway?21:23
amrwell ive installed it21:23
lcukthe new one wont get anywhere near that tho lol21:23
amrbut i understand theres a libliqbase ?21:23
crashanddieamr, some say it's the antichrist21:23
lcukits fixed to 800*48021:23
lcukthere will be21:23
crashanddiewill be?21:24
* zakkm supports liqbase more, due to crashanddie statement ;p21:24
amreverything works so smoothly21:24
lcukamr, liqbase from extras is the original monolithic first version21:24
amrah, i have that :p21:24
crashanddiehang on, what's this .so then?21:24
zakkmwhich rules, i started using drawing for like notes21:24
lcukmy proof of concept, but i use it lots still21:24
zakkmits really better than pen/paper21:24
coldbootcrashanddie: So can you not use Python on the iPod?21:24
lcukthe one principle thing people moaned about was how it was all monolithic21:25
zakkmipod uses C21:25
crashanddiecoldboot, not AFAIK21:25
zakkmi was going to code apps for it, sell on app store :P21:25
crashanddieobj-C. There. Fixed that for you.21:25
lcuklibliqbase is the library version, and my playground makes use of the numerous modules now created21:25
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amroh noice21:25
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coldbootzakkm: I've heard the market for fart applications is lucrative.21:25
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crashanddielcuk, am I not entitled to an update of libliqbase?21:26
lcukwhen shaped up properly, it will be possible to create a standalone liq* app, which can be integrated into the playground as well21:26
zakkmits good money potential, and im young without a job21:26
lcukcrashanddie, have you paied for yout telephone support?21:26
crashanddietelephone support?21:26
oDudalcuk hello ! hows you lcuk ?21:26
lcukyeah you can only have an update if you are on support21:26
crashanddiewhat the?21:26
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lcukheh, why are you even asking - you are admin on :P21:27
crashanddiezakkm, unless you manage to sell 6000 apps at 10 bucks a year, I don't see the interest21:27
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crashanddieoh right, there's the repository there21:27
zakkm10 bucks a year?21:27
lcukyou have full unfettered access to all the published source as you know :)21:27
crashanddiezakkm, to make an annual $60k?21:27
crashanddielcuk, yeah but it's the unpublished I want, you know that21:27
zakkmyou add to the store, which ppl buy?21:28
zakkmheh misread21:28
lcukhahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahaahahahahahahahahahahaha no21:28
zakkmim not looking for 60k ?21:28
crashanddiedon't make me break your other fingers :P21:28
lcuk.|.. lol21:28
crashanddiezakkm, then you're underselling yourself?21:28
zakkmim 18, i dont need 60k21:28
crashanddiesure you do, everybody needs $60k21:28
zakkmi just need a good $20-30 a week?21:28
lcukits not even nearly ready and i broke it more and it looks weaker than i thought :'(21:28
Stskeeps30 a week? you don't visit enough prostitutes21:28
crashanddiezakkm, dude, you can't live off that mate21:29
oDuda(take care, birthday makes the people nervous wrek)21:29
crashanddiezakkm, unless you still live with mum and dad21:29
lcukdepends where he is21:29
zakkmi dont want to make ipod apps to live off of21:29
coldbootcrashanddie: He probably lives with his parents.21:29
zakkmim 18 lol ;p21:29
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zakkmeverybody i know still lives at home21:29
crashanddieno you don't21:29
zakkmppl are graduating next month and going to uni and such21:29
coldbootzakkm: What's your idea for an app?21:29
zakkmits an expensive city21:29
ShadowJKmost people in the world probably consider 30 per week filthy rich :)21:30
crashanddiezakkm, reason more than $30 a week isn't enough to live21:30
coldbootThey're probably not in this IRC channel.21:30
zakkmi dont exepct it to21:30
crashanddieShadowJK, most people in the world don't dream of developping for the iPod21:30
lcukits not enough to live on your budget, but on zakkm's it will be enough21:30
lcuklet the lad have fantasies about his earnings21:30
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zakkmi was going to make a few apps and let it like sit21:30
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crashanddielcuk, don't make assumptions about my lifestyle :P21:30
ShadowJKminimalist theme has /huge/ font... is this predicting n900? ;p21:31
lcuktrust fund for your childrens childrens childrens childrens childrens childrens childrens childrens childrens childrens childrens children21:31
coldbootzakkm: How about you tell us your idea, and you'll get a varied set of opinions telling you whether people would buy it or not.21:31
crashanddielcuk, just because we met in a fancy hotel doesn't mean anything :P21:31
lcukmy figner was naked over the weekend :O21:31
zakkmi dont really have any ideas ;p21:31
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lcukand the scab came off ! its nearly healed21:31
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crashanddiezakkm, how good a coder are you?21:31
coldbootzakkm: That will not sell.21:31
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zakkmgrade 11 computer science21:31
crashanddiehang on, lemme rephrase that21:31
* lcuk has many ideas for stupid little apps21:31
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crashanddiezakkm, that's not a skill21:32
zakkmi would learn21:32
lcukzakkm, get your ass into #liqbase and make silly little apps that do crappy things21:32
crashanddiezakkm, I know a director of IT and he's got a oyster's IQ21:32
lcuktheres a need for lots of them21:32
lcukoysters are quite intelligent you know21:32
zakkmlcuk: im still at the opening liqbase stage ;p21:32
crashanddiezakkm, your age and your rank don't make you a good or bad coder, it's what you're capable of21:32
lcukive never seen one fail a maths test21:32
lcukhave you?21:32
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crashanddielcuk, I've never seen one succeed21:33
zakkmopening terminal now ;p21:33
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lcukzakkm, you have to slide out the keyboard as well21:33
crashanddiezakkm, got a portfolio?21:33
zakkmslide keyboard out, im not that lucky to have a n810 ;p21:33
crashanddielcuk, I'll slide out your keyboard21:34
* lcuk drops your phone in the beer21:34
lcukhey flo_lap \o21:34
zakkmlcuk: theres like static whenever i move ;p in liqbase ;p21:35
zakkmlike scrolling21:35
crashanddieit's not a bug, it's a feature21:35
crashanddieit's because you're under 2121:35
crashanddieyou're not allowed to see the sexiness of liq*21:35
zakkmits whenever i touch on the screen it happens :(21:36
lcukzakkm, close the program and restart it21:36
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lcukits once only thing21:36
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lcuk(per reboot)21:36
lcukim adding a splash..21:36
zakkmohh you got it to switch to performance :p21:36
zakkmin terminal it shows closing, switching from performance to ondemand21:37
zakkmlcuk, im sorry your face is getting attacked :(21:37
Myrttiis there really xournal for maemo?21:38
crashanddielcuk, I nearly got a client working on the n810 for finger btw :P21:39
Myrttior did I read wrong in teh interhwebs?21:39
crashanddielcuk, did I tell you the database for finger crashed?21:39
lcukmy finger21:39
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crashanddielcuk, I hit 2^24 entries21:39
qwerty12_N800crashanddie: you don't need anything to finger a tablet21:39
lcuknice lol21:39
zakkmMyrtti: should be in extras (application manager)21:39
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MyrttiI can use that to have my knitting patterns in!21:40
crashanddielcuk, so now basically, I need to re-write the storage classes, to use the google store21:40
zakkmlcuk: how do you use the liqcalendar ;p21:40
zakkmMyrtti: there are better alternatives, like the notes in liqbase21:41
lcukyou lick it21:41
qwerty12_N800Myrtti: chinook extras - the diablo one was borken but the chinook one installs fine under diablo21:41
zakkmlcuk: IVE ALREADY TRIED THAT :(21:41
fiferboylbt: Diablo ARMEL build segfaults in scratchbox, and doesn't start on the device21:41
lcukyou need /media/mmc1/_cal21:41
crashanddielcuk, I've written a servlet for the google data store that automagically creates new classes, instantiates an object and stores it based on POST data21:41
Myrttizakkm: does it open up pdf's so I can annotate them?21:41
lcukMyrtti, ive seen you wanting stuff for knitting for a while21:41
lcukremind me again when its not so hectic21:41
crashanddielcuk, same way around, I can put in request, and it just fetches the object and pushes it through in XML21:41
lcuki might have an idea21:41
StskeepsMyrtti: yeah, it annotates pdfs21:41
Myrttibecause I have to mark down which rounds I've already knitted21:41
zakkmlcuk: no it opens just i dont know how i got it to write something and why it didnt save21:42
Myrttiok, might try that then21:42
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lcukahh click the header21:42
lcukits not in finger friendly mode21:42
lcukwhere the date number is21:42
zakkmnothing happens when i press save :(21:42
crashanddiethat sounds like a stupid workaround21:42
lcukmy tablet screen is so duffed i cant scroll without it zooming in21:42
crashanddie"Lotus Notes crashes when Audio CD is in CD Player" -> Workaround: "Do not leave Audio CD in CD Player when using Lotus Notes"21:43
lcukzakkm, have you got /media/mmc1/_cal21:43
zakkmlet me check21:43
lcukits explained in the readme ;)21:44
qwerty12_N800crashanddie: It's all about Lime^H^H^HiTunes store now anyway ;)21:44
crashanddielcuk, so yeah, the google datastore performs pretty well21:44
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lcukthis is why i would not create a .deb yet - its NOT user friendly :P21:44
lcuk:D excellent21:44
zakkmi just did the run as root21:44
lcukteens - they never read things ;)21:44
crashanddielcuk, I got about 30 gigs worth of emotions :P21:45
lcuknice seb :)21:45
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lcuknow steer it away from blogs and more at gallery sites and you will get a whole different kind of emotions lol21:45
crashanddiedon't wanna do that :P21:45
lcukwhy not21:46
crashanddiebecause I want to be able to take a snapshot of what people are thinking21:46
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lcukand you will21:46
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zakkmlcuk: you have it automatically check for /media/mmc1 :P21:48
zakkm13;44;20 filesave, cannot open '/media/mmc1/_cal/day20090511.sketch' for writing21:48
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zakkmno wonder it didnt work ;p i sftp'd it to /home21:48
lcukzakkm, its a playtest21:49
lcukin the proper release it will be in proper place21:49
Myrttilcuk: for years.21:49
lcukbut i keep stuff on mmc cos i can just switch cards and take my stuff to a new machine easily21:49
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Myrttilcuk: my offer to knit a Tux scarf or mittens or whatever still stands21:49
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lcukMyrtti, plushy version of the mascot21:50
lcukslg came up with21:50
zakkmlcuk: i boot from SD, and i lost my other sd card :(, and realized its quicker adding stuff through sftp then plugging in card and such21:50
lcukthe centre one i highlight in my video21:50
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Jaffarmt_: Will try and do it this evening :)21:50
lcukzakkm, i was on the plane a couple of weeks ago fumbling trying to switch devices21:51
zakkmno laptop?21:51
Myrttilcuk: could do21:51
rmt_So.. I'm thinking about the best way to create a nice flowable with GTK widgets..21:51
lcukzakkm, no21:52
zakkmi would of thought you'd have a laptop for journeys and such21:52
lcukMyrtti, the mascots thing is always good fun, did you read the thread and see some strange suggestions?21:52
lcukzakkm, i do but liqbase is on my devices21:52
rmt_A TextView would maybe do the job .. or I could just start adding widgets to a Layout, and ensure that the layout matches the window size.. redraw when it changes.21:52
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coldbootHow would you get scons working from outside scratchbox? `sb2 scons`, or any other program that doesn't work by default?21:53
coldbootIt seems the sb2 command only executes a predefined list of programs like ls, make, etc.21:54
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rmt_And add all items line by line.. filling in free space.. fairly easy to do it if I assume each line has the same height.. harder if I want proper wrapping around images.21:54
Myrttilcuk: on itt? I don't usually frequent any discussion forums anymore these days21:56
lcukthat was a good thread :) community involvement and a laugh21:56
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lcukalways good to do something folks can get involved in21:56
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lcukis qt faster than gtk?22:07
lcukdidnt think so lol22:08
lcukit can do more22:08
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binkyhi everyone22:09
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binky...specially Stskeeps ... need help with mer again lol22:09
Stskeepsonly if you have chocolate cookies22:10
binkyStskeeps, I sell them dirt cheap.22:10
Stskeepswhat was the issue?22:11
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binkyThat, I could boot it (that is further than I went last time I tried) and the white bar goes until the end (first time it configured sthg I don't remember and asked user and pass), but the it just keeps there in the end and does nothing. I left it a long time and nothing.22:12
binkyAnd now, after 10 seconds with the white bar in the end, a red bar appears, which when completes, makes the device turn off.22:13
Stskeepsright, can we take it in #mer so we don't clutter the channel?22:13
binky...I forgot there was a channel for Mer! Ok, I will.22:14
rmt_Hmm.. strange.. compiling vala in sb2, and doesn't have some of the necessary libraries linked in.. their functions are shown as "U" in nm..22:16
rmt_Which is fine for the library, but then it borks when it reaches valac22:17
rmt_Must learn more about libtool.22:17
lcuk:( rmt_22:18
lcukhow is vala shaping out outside of these probs22:18
rmt_I like it.  It's gaining missing functionality.22:18
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lcukyeah it should22:18
rmt_I would like more documentation about how to link in normal C code, though.22:18
lcukmissing funcionality? extra language constructs or librarie?22:18
rmt_VAPI files, mostly.22:19
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lcukyeah those come with time22:19
lcukisnt there an automated conversion22:19
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rmt_For glib libraries, yes..22:19
rmt_gobject libraries.. But I think it still requires tweaks since people don't always follow the naming conventions.22:19
Stskeepssomeone needs to check out vala on mer really22:19
Stskeepsand get Tear going22:19
lcukvala is impressive - its like cfront in many ways22:20
rmt_I wish I had more time at the moment.. was suckered into doing Zope work.. waved a Django app in front of my face first, then threw the whopper at me.22:20
lcukw0000t someone signed me up for itunes22:21
lcuksomeone called Demetre22:21
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* lcuk loves getting odd mails22:21
lcukhah rmt22:21
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rmt_lcuk, I'm working with Grok now .. much nicer than Plone development .. and it can be ported to plone relatively easily later..22:24
lcukare these even languages or programs? they all sound made up nowadays22:24
rmt_Zope 3's powerful and cool, but complicated.. Zope 2's neat and relatively simple.. Plone is a monstrosity.22:24
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rmt_Plone is a CMS built on Zope 2, which now haphazardly uses Zope 3 features through a layer called Five (2 + 3 = 5) .. it has a lot of followers .. but it's too damn complicated if you're already familiar with parts of the system.22:26
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rmt_Zope 3 uses XML to configure the application, connect providers with requesters, etc. .. Grok uses some code to do it and mostly avoid XML.22:27
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rmt_Then there's repoze.bfg, which is more like django or rails, but using Zope 3 technology.22:28
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rmt_Basically - avoid it all if you can. :-)22:28
rmt_Ok - got vala to compile.. the hacky way, but that's all I'm doing atm.22:29
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Jaffarmt_: 0.7.3 on its way to extras-devel as we speak22:31
rmt_Jaffa, You had no problem compiling it?  sb2?22:31
* Jaffa needs to find time to properly put libgee up there too22:31
Jaffarmt_: sb122:31
rmt_I really should cleanup my build environment.22:31
Jaffa(using mud: just points at tarball - bam!)22:32
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rmt_Considering getting rid of my 64bit ubuntu install too in favour of 32bit too.. too much screwing around to get 32bit only things working.22:32
MyrttiI must be missing out something22:33
* Jaffa is still happy with his 64-bit ubuntu22:33
StskeepsMyrtti: can't find xournal in extras? :P22:33
Myrttinotes could do annotations on pdfs? looks like it can't open them22:33
JaffaSeems... "wrong"... to run a 32-bit OS22:33
StskeepsMyrtti: ah, no, xournal can22:33
RST38hnot notes22:33
Myrttisilly rabbits22:33
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RST38hJaffa: 64bit mode does not add much usefulness for a normal user22:34
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RST38hJaffa: it is a bit slower too because 64bit instructions are longer22:34
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JaffaRST38h: True. When running in 32-bit mode can it use the wider bus to load two instructions at a time, or does it only use half the bus?22:35
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RST38hJaffa: It always uses the whole bus22:35
RST38hAnd it loads whatever amount of data fits the incoiming decoding buffer22:36
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RST38hx86 assembly language is no longer directly related to what CPU is doing internally, not like arm22:36
JaffaI also semi-object to changing my OS to better suit the vagaries of Scratchbox and the Maemo SDK; but...22:36
RST38hJaffa: You won't lose much really22:37
JaffaRST38h: Ah, I've never done any x86 assembly - just 6502 & ARM. Oh, and some 68k at university22:37
RST38hJaffa: Modern x86s pretty much "emulate" most of traditional x86 instructions22:37
RST38hInternally, these CPUs are way different22:37
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Myrttiwho said this is buggy?22:41
Myrttiit's less buggy than in ubuntu jaunty :-D22:41
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Myrtticheers fellers22:41
Myrttibloody brilliant22:41
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MyrttiI love you guys ♥22:50
lcukMyrtti, you always stand out in a crowd of text22:51
Myrtti♥ ♥ ♥ #maemo ♥ ♥ ♥22:51
Myrttilcuk: the thing is, if this knitting pattern doesn't start to heed to my will, I'll sell the yarn.22:52
Myrttiand it wasn't cheap22:52
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Myrttiif I can make any sense of this pattern, then all the better22:52
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lcukwhat is the pattern22:52
Myrttiwill end up something like that22:53
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coldbootHow do you run an arbitrary program with sb2? I can do `sb2 make`, `sb2 ls`, but for many other programs that I've installed, they're not found. However, doing `sb2 'print $PATH'` gives paths to which those non-working programs are in...22:54
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lcukMyrtti, so the qournal page you are viewing is the pattern itself22:55
lcukfor that piece22:55
lcukbut you keep doing it wrong, or getting your stylus caught up in it22:56
Myrttiall I need to do is to clearly mark the rows I've done22:56
lcukliqbase could make a pyramid of tiles like that, but it would be better to know the full format required22:57
Myrttia visual aid to help me keep on the pattern22:57
lcukthats actually really easy22:57
lcukyou see  in the video i do multiselect tag cloud thing22:57
lcukits essentially the same idea as what you are needing (from the looks of things)22:57
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Jaffarmt_: Damn. 0.7.3's failed to build on armel:
Myrttilcuk: if there was a way to build a grid of patterns easily, sorta like drag and drop stiches to a grid, that would be what I've dreamt of for years23:02
Jaffarmt_: Looks like it might depend on a newer glib. I'll have a look after watching ER.23:03
rmt_Jaffa, Yup - looks that way.23:03
rmt_Enjoy ER23:04
lcukMyrtti, :) so if there was a tile of X * Y and you could select one of (lets say) 8 "colors" and paint em wherever23:04
Myrttilcuk: or black and white characters, like in that picture - o, /, \, m etc23:05
lcukif we stored them in a text file with whats filled into each location in a grid would that be ok23:05
lcukyeah i see23:05
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Myrttithere's actually a xml format for knitting patterns :-)23:06
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lcukthats what i asked up there ^23:06
Myrttioh, you did?23:06
lcukyeah dont worry lol23:06
MyrttiI must have been so excited knitting didn't notice23:06
Myrttiknitml :-)23:06
lcukim meant to be chilling out preparing for trip23:07
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lcukMyrtti, find the spec for the knitting things23:08
lcukand post it to :)23:08
Myrttiwill do :-)23:09
lcukill bbiab23:09
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Myrttilcuk: btw, rm_you is going to CPH as well I heard, so you might want to talk with him as well23:13
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rm_youlcuk, Myrtti: yes I was wanting to do something with knitML :P23:18
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Jaffarmt_: The regexp issue came up before23:58
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