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| suihkulokki | LiraNuna, or, since it's just a shell-script, sh -x sb2 ./a.out | 00:01 |
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| LiraNuna | suihkulokki, says it can't find it | 00:07 |
| LiraNuna | http://pastie.org/490598 | 00:08 |
| LiraNuna | this puzzles me | 00:08 |
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| ShadowJK | bleh, this is disappointing | 00:14 |
| ShadowJK | my new E75 has some broadcom bluetooth chip :( | 00:14 |
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| RST38x | is it bad? | 00:19 |
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| kkrusty | has anyone used emacs/tramp to edit files on maemo? Do you need bash for that? | 00:24 |
| ShadowJK | RST38h, well on a scale from E70 to "not broken", it's somewhere in between, I'd guess ;) | 00:24 |
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| ShadowJK | My e70 became too broken :-( | 00:26 |
| ShadowJK | the keymat in the flip part is misaligned, with one keyrow partially behind the bezel | 00:27 |
| ShadowJK | I tried to move it, and that kinda succeeded, but some keys came off | 00:27 |
| RST38h | Shadow: oh | 00:27 |
| ShadowJK | I attached those with superglue.. not quite the right "feel" in them anymore :) | 00:27 |
| RST38h | Mine is fine except for the dpad | 00:27 |
| RST38h | the rest is pretty pristine | 00:27 |
| ShadowJK | And then the joystick is completely unresponsive and needs like a dozen tries at different angles and forces before it responds | 00:27 |
| ShadowJK | :( | 00:28 |
| ShadowJK | and nokia STILL hasn't released a new one :( | 00:28 |
| RST38h | yea I know that feeling | 00:28 |
| ShadowJK | and they aren't selling the old one anymore either :/ | 00:28 |
| RST38h | it's not an iphone, so they won't produce it :) | 00:28 |
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| RST38h | On the other hand, I have tried my wife's 5800 and it is pretty decent | 00:28 |
| ShadowJK | a guy at work has 5800, after a few weeks I asked him how he's getting along with the touchscreen and such | 00:29 |
| ShadowJK | he said it's nice for the "casual" and "idle" pecking you do, but it can be frustrating when you want to fire off a message in hurry | 00:29 |
| ShadowJK | then he'd rather have his old N95 | 00:29 |
| ShadowJK | heh | 00:29 |
| ShadowJK | so I figured I wanted something with real keys | 00:29 |
| RST38h | dunno, it felt fine to me | 00:30 |
| RST38h | for an email that is | 00:30 |
| RST38h | the problem is that the only usable keyboard is full-screen, so we are not talking about ssh here | 00:30 |
| ShadowJK | that too | 00:30 |
| * ShadowJK likes the N810 keyboard better than e75 so far | 00:31 | |
| * RST38h hates n810 keyboard | 00:31 | |
| ShadowJK | though both of course are miles away from the goodness that e70 keyboard was | 00:31 |
| RST38h | bad balance, upper row too close to the upper half | 00:31 |
| ShadowJK | balance is perhaps slightly better | 00:32 |
| mavhc | balance? | 00:32 |
| ShadowJK | but key travel is even smaller than on n810 | 00:32 |
| mavhc | stylus is faster than real keyboard I find | 00:32 |
| RST38h | yep | 00:32 |
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| ShadowJK | I definitely type faster with the real keyboard | 00:33 |
| RST38h | Shadow: even smaller??? | 00:33 |
| RST38h | Hmmm | 00:33 |
| ShadowJK | RST38h, yes | 00:33 |
| ShadowJK | and even flatter | 00:33 |
| RST38h | why have physical keys at all then? | 00:33 |
| ShadowJK | atleast there's a tiny click in them | 00:33 |
| mavhc | but real keyboard is better for screen real estate, and typing without looking | 00:33 |
| ShadowJK | I guess it's cheaper to have physical keys than to have a second touchscreen for the keys :) | 00:33 |
| RST38h | oh, 5800 simulates that with the vibro | 00:33 |
| ShadowJK | Yeah, I can touch-type n810 now | 00:33 |
| mavhc | I did notice the maemo kb doesn't let you roll | 00:34 |
| RST38h | <sleep> | 00:34 |
| ShadowJK | roll? | 00:34 |
| LiraNuna | N810 keyboard is awesome <3 | 00:34 |
| mavhc | update the cursor on "mouse" down, but only select a key on mouse up | 00:34 |
| mavhc | so you can press, adjust, now you know where you're pressing, then release when correct | 00:35 |
| ShadowJK | the onscreen keyboard? | 00:35 |
| mavhc | yes | 00:35 |
| ShadowJK | If I touch a key and slide right it inserts space for me, heh | 00:36 |
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| Macer | ugh | 01:08 |
| Macer | need a larger sd to work in my wii | 01:09 |
| Macer | must try it now. | 01:09 |
| Macer | just so i can get linux to work on it | 01:09 |
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| coldboot | Has anyone successfully used gdb with Scratchbox 2? The "scratchbox2 enabled gdb" says to call "sb2-prepare" in gdb before running, which is supposed to break the program before its main() is called. | 01:19 |
| coldboot | This simply doesn't work though, it tries to set a breakpoint in "_dl_debug_state" which is always pending and never breaks. | 01:19 |
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| Abulafia | yawn | 01:35 |
| b-man16 | *cough* | 01:35 |
| Abulafia | ahem. | 01:36 |
| Abulafia | http://www.flickr.com/photos/jeffblog/3166937730/ | 01:36 |
| Abulafia | chuckle | 01:36 |
| Abulafia | well, i'll be glad to switch from the n810 | 01:38 |
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| Abulafia | oh wow. early stargate ep. theyre trying for "drama." | 01:41 |
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| jaem_N810 | hey folks | 02:09 |
| jaem_N810 | is there an easy way to install the EasyDebian image to the rootfs (I have mine cloned), short of modifying the install scripts? | 02:10 |
| jaem_N810 | ...I guess that might not be a big deal though :S | 02:10 |
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| jaem_N810 | okay, that was painless :P | 02:16 |
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| lardman | night all, catch you next week | 02:24 |
| GAN8001 | lol . . . no wonder some people are more up in arms than others | 02:24 |
| GAN8001 | 4.3" . . . . | 02:24 |
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| jaem_N810 | GAN8001: what's this? | 02:27 |
| jaem_N810 | more of the same? | 02:27 |
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| GAN8001 | jaem_N810, the screen is 4.13" | 02:33 |
| GAN8001 | People keep saying 4.3" | 02:33 |
| GAN8001 | Which is a much bigger difference to 3.5" | 02:33 |
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| * GAN8001 wonders if these people will ever get why I'm so insistent about differentiating between Maemo and maemo.org. | 02:34 | |
| jaem_N810 | ah, okay. I knew that, but I didn't catch that that was why people were so upset | 02:34 |
| jaem_N810 | as for your last comment, enlighten me :P | 02:35 |
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| GAN8001 | jaem_N810, maemo.org is the community owned and operated website, Maemo is the Nokia owned and operated software platform. | 02:36 |
| GAN8001 | People who interchange the two freely get confused when people talk about the community controlling maemo.org and they think it also applies to Maemo. | 02:37 |
| jaem_N810 | that's what I thought, but I wanted to clarify | 02:37 |
| jaem_N810 | yeah, I can see that being an issue | 02:37 |
| mikkov_ | crap,hildon-thumbnailerd (fremantle, scratchbox) started crunging my hd. 82 MB of thumbnails generated so far :) | 02:38 |
| GAN8001 | Then they get pissed at me for correcting them. | 02:38 |
| jaem_N810 | personally, I think all the noise over the leak is ridiculous. If it's even completely true, I'll wait until I have one in my hands to make a judgement | 02:38 |
| * GAN8001 hates Talk at the moment. | 02:38 | |
| jaem_N810 | which, in Canada, may be a while :( | 02:39 |
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| ShadowJK | I am guessing christmas or february for real availability now :) | 02:40 |
| jaem_N810 | the main thing I'm concerned with is how much the carriers will try to lock it down | 02:41 |
| * ShadowJK 'd buy it unlocked | 02:41 | |
| jaem_N810 | I won't be able to afford it unlocked, or I would | 02:41 |
| jaem_N810 | although if Rogers is stupid about it, then I'll wait until I can afford it unocked | 02:41 |
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| ShadowJK | I bought my e75 on contract.. 130e cheaper, and i paid it in full up front.. 0.70euro per month for 2 years. BUT: | 02:42 |
| jaem_N810 | Do you know how many years I've waited to be able to get rid of annoying callers with the "I'm recompiling my kernel" excuse? | 02:42 |
| jaem_N810 | XD | 02:42 |
| jaem_N810 | just kidding | 02:42 |
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| ShadowJK | the store said the operator/nokia dont actually have the crippled/locked version ready yet, so they're actually selling unlocked version | 02:43 |
| ShadowJK | for locked price | 02:43 |
| jaem_N810 | lol | 02:43 |
| ShadowJK | so yeah, 130-(24*0.70) discount and unlocked phone :D | 02:44 |
| jaem_N810 | I hate to speculate, but given Nokia's other offerings, what general price range do you think we'd be looking at for the RX-51 unlocked? | 02:44 |
| jaem_N810 | very general... I'm looking at the maybe/not-a-chance threshold | 02:45 |
| ShadowJK | well, I was expecting N97 like pricing until voice was added, now I'm not sure :) | 02:45 |
| ShadowJK | though even N97 is hard to know what it costs, it's dropped like 200e even before shipping | 02:46 |
| jaem_N810 | how much is it ostensibly at now? | 02:46 |
| jaem_N810 | the N97, that is | 02:46 |
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| jaem_N810 | gah... I don't have wireless on my desktop, so I can't get Internet on it at my mom's house | 02:50 |
| jaem_N810 | (the cable jack is downstairs) | 02:50 |
| jaem_N810 | so I borrowed back my spare router, and am trying to configure it as a client | 02:50 |
| jaem_N810 | lol | 02:50 |
| ShadowJK | nokia finland seems to be taking preorders at 737 (including shipping and 22% tax), but they generally price well above everyone else in order to not aggressively compete with their resellers | 02:51 |
| jaem_N810 | true | 02:51 |
| jaem_N810 | but 737 what? | 02:51 |
| ShadowJK | euro | 02:51 |
| jaem_N810 | eek | 02:51 |
| GAN8001 | jaem_N810, I'm worried about what carriers will do to the platform | 02:51 |
| jaem_N810 | GAN8001: me too | 02:52 |
| jaem_N810 | very much | 02:52 |
| ShadowJK | 671 cheapest /comparable/ available in .fi :) | 02:52 |
| GAN8001 | We've already seen the sort of evil GSM inflicts on the platform hardware-wise | 02:52 |
| GAN8001 | jaem_N810, unlocked isn't even a way to escape from it. | 02:52 |
| jaem_N810 | what in particular? | 02:52 |
| GAN8001 | jaem_N810, the screensize, the hardware keys, the keyboard. | 02:52 |
| jaem_N810 | oh, that | 02:52 |
| ShadowJK | jaem: it tends to be 1eur=1usd when you compare price in the US actually :P | 02:52 |
| jaem_N810 | ShadowJK:, so about 8x that in Canadian? :( | 02:53 |
| GAN8001 | But you can't ship voice without it effecting the platform. | 02:53 |
| GAN8001 | GSM may ruin Maemo. | 02:53 |
| jaem_N810 | why? | 02:53 |
| GAN8001 | Well, the Maemo we know today, anyway. | 02:53 |
| * GAN8001 is pessimistic about the community, the hardware, and the platform. | 02:53 | |
| jaem_N810 | I have high hopes for pessimism | 02:54 |
| GAN8001 | In that order at the moment. | 02:54 |
| jaem_N810 | what does that make me? | 02:54 |
| jaem_N810 | hrm | 02:54 |
| GAN8001 | An cutter? | 02:54 |
| GAN8001 | s/an/a/ | 02:54 |
| jaem_N810 | no | 02:54 |
| jaem_N810 | I was being ironic | 02:54 |
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| jaem_N810 | from my point of view anyway, it seemed like Nokia was getting more open and friendly these days... | 02:55 |
| acydlord | seemed | 02:56 |
| jaem_N810 | and I have to wonder how that's going to fly with a consumer phone | 02:56 |
| GAN8001 | Yeah | 02:56 |
| GAN8001 | It could be a cellular revolution | 02:56 |
| GAN8001 | But Nokia isn't really the company to orchestrate those. | 02:56 |
| jaem_N810 | although if they're even trying, then maybe they have something up their sleeve | 02:56 |
| GAN8001 | They've got too many dinosaurs running the company. | 02:56 |
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| * GAN8001 sighs. | 02:56 | |
| GAN8001 | Shit's stressing me out. | 02:57 |
| jaem_N810 | whatever the controversy now, I find it hard to believe that would completely alienate essentially the whole of the maemo.org community by crippling them now | 02:57 |
| jaem_N810 | mass-market or no, that would be incredibly stupid | 02:57 |
| GAN8001 | I'm three steps from the door at this point. | 02:58 |
| jaem_N810 | :O | 02:59 |
| acydlord | the n810 being advertised everywhere kinda made me facepalm | 02:59 |
| jaem_N810 | how low has it gotten now? | 02:59 |
| jaem_N810 | I haven't been watching | 02:59 |
| acydlord | just that none of the adverts explained it well | 03:00 |
| acydlord | the whole internet everywhere thing was making people think cellphone | 03:00 |
| jaem_N810 | ah | 03:00 |
| jaem_N810 | "Internet in most places" ;) | 03:01 |
| jaem_N810 | speaking of, the IPTV show Hak5 had a segment a while back on DNS tunnelling to bypass portals | 03:01 |
| jaem_N810 | sounds useful for a device like the N810 | 03:01 |
| jaem_N810 | and it's written in Perl | 03:01 |
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| mavhc | there's already an app for that on maemo | 03:04 |
| jaem_N810 | mavhc: oh? what's it called? | 03:05 |
| mavhc | err | 03:05 |
| jaem_N810 | that's the name? | 03:05 |
| mavhc | looking now | 03:06 |
| jaem_N810 | lol | 03:06 |
| Macer | got my 8G sdhc working in my wii | 03:06 |
| Macer | :) | 03:06 |
| mavhc | iodine | 03:06 |
| Macer | oh wtf | 03:06 |
| jaem_N810 | Macer: woot | 03:07 |
| Macer | it's only reading 4G | 03:07 |
| Macer | what a bastard | 03:07 |
| jaem_N810 | mavhc: oh yeah, I saw the manpage for that | 03:07 |
| * Macer starts to become angry | 03:07 | |
| jaem_N810 | it's more complicated, at any rate | 03:07 |
| Macer | mabye this app is just reading less | 03:07 |
| jaem_N810 | although I haven't tried either | 03:07 |
| Macer | h. sure doesn't seem to be.. wtf | 03:07 |
| Macer | guess i will just throw the 4G in there | 03:07 |
| Macer | :) | 03:07 |
| Macer | ugh.. damn homebrew crap :) this is what opensource gives you haha | 03:08 |
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| GAN8001 | Macer, 4.0 has SDHC support | 03:12 |
| GAN8001 | A lot of the Homebrew stuff is still built on the old libs | 03:12 |
| GAN8001 | Which don't yet support SDHC. | 03:12 |
| GAN8001 | So support is mixed. | 03:12 |
| jaem_N810 | Macer: what are you running on the wii? | 03:13 |
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| mirror | error: misc_runner no such directory. | 03:37 |
| mirror | anybody know? | 03:37 |
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| xnt14 | ~sell brian | 03:58 |
| * infobot sells brian to a passing bunch of Ishmaelites | 03:58 | |
| b-man16 | ~$100 | 03:58 |
| * infobot gives b-man16 full service! | 03:58 | |
| xnt14 | ? | 03:58 |
| xnt14 | ~leet | 03:58 |
| infobot | /me is leet cos he can start lines with a / | 03:58 |
| xnt14 | wtf? | 03:58 |
| xnt14 | :P | 03:58 |
| b-man16 | lol | 03:58 |
| xnt14 | ~wtf b-man | 03:58 |
| infobot | usage: wtf <foo>. | 03:58 |
| xnt14 | ~wtf | 03:58 |
| xnt14 | oh :P | 03:59 |
| b-man16 | ~$100 xnt14 | 03:59 |
| xnt14 | ~lol | 03:59 |
| infobot | well, lol is stands for Laughing Out Loud. It is grammatically incorrect to use LOL in the first person; use 'heh' or 'haha' instead. If you want to use LOL, do '/me lol' instead. | 03:59 |
| xnt14 | wrong | 03:59 |
| xnt14 | its supposed to be | 03:59 |
| * xnt14 lols | 03:59 | |
| CutMeOwnThroat | gramatically incorrect? | 03:59 |
| xnt14 | w/e | 04:00 |
| xnt14 | ~cut b-man | 04:00 |
| CutMeOwnThroat | I mean... it's stupid | 04:00 |
| b-man16 | infobot!! | 04:00 |
| xnt14 | oh ok :P | 04:00 |
| CutMeOwnThroat | but gramatically incorrect? | 04:00 |
| xnt14 | infobot is cool | 04:00 |
| xnt14 | no response? | 04:00 |
| xnt14 | :P | 04:00 |
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| xnt14 | ~jump | 04:00 |
| infobot | boing boing boing | 04:00 |
| CutMeOwnThroat | infobot, lawl | 04:00 |
| infobot | i heard lawl is the sound of someone who has been on IRC too much. see also: roffle. | 04:00 |
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| b-man16 | lol | 04:00 |
| xnt14 | ~install linux | 04:00 |
| * infobot runs yum -y localinstall linux-4.2-1.noarch.rpm | 04:00 | |
| xnt14 | lol | 04:00 |
| b-man16 | ~lol | 04:01 |
| infobot | [lol] stands for Laughing Out Loud. It is grammatically incorrect to use LOL in the first person; use 'heh' or 'haha' instead. If you want to use LOL, do '/me lol' instead. | 04:01 |
| xnt14 | lol | 04:01 |
| b-man16 | lol | 04:01 |
| xnt14 | infobot, helloworld | 04:01 |
| infobot | Hello World! | 04:01 |
| xnt14 | :P | 04:01 |
| b-man16 | ~rofl | 04:01 |
| infobot | extra, extra, read all about it, rofl is rolling on the floor laughing | 04:01 |
| xnt14 | ~compile graphiure | 04:01 |
| * infobot runs gcc -o graphiure.o on graphiure | 04:01 | |
| b-man16 | lol | 04:01 |
| xnt14 | you cant compile graphiure :P | 04:01 |
| xnt14 | its js | 04:01 |
| b-man16 | lol | 04:01 |
| xnt14 | ~b-man16 | 04:01 |
| xnt14 | :P | 04:02 |
| b-man16 | ~compile xnt14 | 04:02 |
| * infobot runs gcc -o xnt14.o on xnt14 | 04:02 | |
| b-man16 | lol | 04:02 |
| xnt14 | ~rm b-man16 | 04:02 |
| infobot | b-man16 is an unperson | 04:02 |
| CutMeOwnThroat | infobot, ubuntusmite xnt14 | 04:02 |
| * infobot takes away all the CO2 in the air around xnt14 and replaces it with CO. "It's related to carbon dioxide! It's based on carbon dioxide!" | 04:02 | |
| * xnt14 chokes | 04:02 | |
| b-man16 | lol | 04:02 |
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| b-man16 | lool | 04:02 |
| xnt14 | ~choke CutMeOwnThroat | 04:02 |
| * infobot squeezes CutMeOwnThroat till he turns blue like papa smurf | 04:02 | |
| xnt14 | :P | 04:02 |
| b-man16 | lol | 04:02 |
| CutMeOwnThroat | well, it's using some version of the database from debians bot for sure | 04:03 |
| * b-man16 dies laughing | 04:03 | |
| xnt14 | ~type lol | 04:03 |
| CutMeOwnThroat | gentoosmite xnt14 | 04:03 |
| CutMeOwnThroat | ooo | 04:03 |
| xnt14 | :P | 04:03 |
| xnt14 | debiansmite CutMeOwnThroat | 04:03 |
| b-man16 | ~fix #maemo | 04:03 |
| * infobot opens the hood of #maemo , looks inside and says "that'll be 500 dollars." | 04:03 | |
| b-man16 | lol | 04:03 |
| CutMeOwnThroat | ops | 04:03 |
| nomis | What is happening here? Invasion of the bored wannabe-scriptkiddies? | 04:03 |
| xnt14 | xD | 04:03 |
| CutMeOwnThroat | infobot, gentoosmite xnt14 | 04:03 |
| * infobot spends 9 days recompiling xnt14, and when it's all done, xnt14 runs 2% slower than previously | 04:03 | |
| b-man16 | XD | 04:03 |
| xnt14 | xD | 04:04 |
| b-man16 | lol | 04:04 |
| b-man16 | lol | 04:04 |
| xnt14 | can someone join infobot to #nit-webos? | 04:04 |
| xnt14 | :P | 04:04 |
| xnt14 | ~join #nit-webos | 04:04 |
| CutMeOwnThroat | nomis, nah, wannabe-scriptkiddies have more skillz | 04:04 |
| xnt14 | w/e | 04:04 |
| b-man16 | lol | 04:05 |
| b-man16 | infobot is written in perl | 04:05 |
| xnt14 | ~choke himself | 04:05 |
| * infobot squeezes himself till he turns blue like papa smurf | 04:05 | |
| xnt14 | bad infobot | 04:05 |
| b-man16 | lool | 04:05 |
| xnt14 | lol | 04:05 |
| xnt14 | jk | 04:05 |
| xnt14 | ~run a mile | 04:05 |
| xnt14 | ~code linux | 04:05 |
| b-man16 | ~choke GeneralAntilles | 04:05 |
| * infobot squeezes GeneralAntilles till he turns blue like papa smurf | 04:05 | |
| b-man16 | lol | 04:05 |
| xnt14 | b-man16: bad choice | 04:06 |
| b-man16 | jk | 04:06 |
| xnt14 | I wouldn't choke GA | 04:06 |
| xnt14 | seriously :P | 04:06 |
| xnt14 | ~revenge | 04:06 |
| xnt14 | ~revenge b-man16 | 04:06 |
| * infobot sneaks up behind b-man16 and nails him with a plank of wood, courtesy of xnt14 | 04:06 | |
| xnt14 | XD | 04:06 |
| b-man16 | ~attack xnt14 | 04:06 |
| * infobot grabs a pen, screams like she's possessed, and begins chasing xnt14 | 04:07 | |
| b-man16 | lol | 04:07 |
| xnt14 | nomis: bored is right | 04:07 |
| * xnt14 runs | 04:07 | |
| xnt14 | ~stop | 04:07 |
| infobot | PLEASE STOP! | 04:07 |
| b-man16 | lol | 04:07 |
| xnt14 | lo | 04:07 |
| xnt14 | lol | 04:07 |
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| GAN800 | No more bot abuse, please. | 04:07 |
| xnt14 | ok | 04:07 |
| xnt14 | GAN800: you run infobot? | 04:07 |
| xnt14 | who runs it? | 04:07 |
| * nomis suggests implementing an IRC bot from scratch. You'll learn a lot about badly designed protocols. | 04:08 | |
| nomis | ...and please try it in a different channel... | 04:08 |
| b-man16 | ~segmentation fault | 04:08 |
| xnt14 | nomis: I would if I didn't already have too many projects :P | 04:08 |
| b-man16 | ok | 04:08 |
| b-man16 | lol | 04:08 |
| b-man16 | #random ;) | 04:08 |
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| xnt14 | who runs infobot, anyone know? | 04:09 |
| xnt14 | well *this* infobot | 04:09 |
| nomis | xnt14: I suggest /whois infobot | 04:09 |
| xnt14 | nomis: thanks | 04:10 |
| GAN800 | xnt14, no, but I fight spam. | 04:10 |
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| xnt14 | :P | 04:11 |
| xnt14 | TimRiker: hi :) | 04:11 |
| b-man16 | hello, TimRiker | 04:12 |
| CutMeOwnThroat | he he | 04:12 |
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| b-man16 | ~infobot | 04:16 |
| infobot | methinks infobot is [infobot], or infobot, or likes abuse | 04:16 |
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| b-man16 | TimRiker, awsome bot :D | 04:18 |
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| mib_ahjn8w | for maemo devolopment,how to find the header file? | 05:11 |
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| paul0 | hi | 05:33 |
| paul0 | OS2007 software will work on OS2008? | 05:33 |
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| GAN8001 | No | 05:43 |
| GAN8001 | API break | 05:43 |
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| paul0 | too bad :/ | 05:58 |
| paul0 | i would like to run olsr in my N800 | 05:58 |
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| TimRiker | b-man16: thx. :) he lags sometimes, but generally not as bad as me. :) | 06:00 |
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| b-man16 | XD | 06:01 |
| Macer | awesome | 06:02 |
| Macer | they have an app for a wii that will back up the modified nand for you | 06:02 |
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| Macer | so you don't have to worry about nintendo overwriting it | 06:02 |
| Macer | :) can always go back to where you were | 06:02 |
| Macer | these wii hax0rs sure do put a lot of effort into this sort of stuff | 06:02 |
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| xnt14 | * a hole in time opens up at xnt14's finger * | 06:19 |
| xnt14 | and | 06:19 |
| * xnt14 pokes b-man when he is 14yrs old | 06:20 | |
| xnt14 | :P | 06:20 |
| b-man16 | lol | 06:21 |
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| sanjay6976 | hi | 07:50 |
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| thux | morning | 07:56 |
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| mib_ru8203 | how to find a header file ralative to some class? | 08:00 |
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| Phono | Howdy | 08:01 |
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| StsN800 | morn | 08:02 |
| mib_ru8203 | mom? | 08:02 |
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| mib_ru8203 | maemo pragram | 08:03 |
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| Macer | man | 08:39 |
| Macer | up to like 400GB of wii games :) | 08:39 |
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| inz | mib_ru, depends, but for gtk classes, /usr/include/gtk-2.0/gtk/classname.h (where classname is class name in all-lowercase) | 08:41 |
| inz | mib_ru, for hildon, /usr/include/hildon-1/hildon/class-name.h (where class-name is class name in all lowercase with words separated by dashes) | 08:42 |
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| LiraNuna | any scratchbox2 gurus around? | 08:59 |
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| mib_ru8203 | inz,thanks | 09:19 |
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| Macer | heh | 09:23 |
| Macer | i'm watching the seth mcfarlane movie | 09:23 |
| Macer | covaclade of comedy | 09:23 |
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| Stskeeps | oh boy, seems like peter is getting suckered into talk :P | 10:12 |
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| johnxx | wow...wonder if he got clearance for that last comment O_o | 10:14 |
| * Myrtti is intrigued | 10:15 | |
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| mib_ru8203 | how to get maemo code sample | 10:22 |
| lbt | mib_ru8203: http://maemo.org/development/ | 10:23 |
| johnxx | what kind of sample code are you looking for? a basic hello world? | 10:23 |
| mib_ru8203 | yes,i mean in eclipse | 10:24 |
| lbt | page 1 links to http://maemo.org/development/sources/ | 10:24 |
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| mib_ru8203 | i know the page,but i don't know how to download | 10:25 |
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| mib_ru8203 | so many file | 10:25 |
| mib_ru8203 | i know apt-get source,but it doesn't work | 10:26 |
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| mib_ru8203 | how to read code sample easily? | 10:28 |
| johnxx | maybe something like this? http://maemo.org/development/training/maemo_application_development_content/plain_html/ | 10:28 |
| johnxx | it includes hello world code and has instructions on getting started | 10:29 |
| mib_ru8203 | thanks | 10:29 |
| LiraNuna | anyone have instructions about setting up scratchbox2 for maemo? | 10:29 |
| Macer | hm | 10:30 |
| mib_ru8203 | you can setting up scratchbox1 in directory /opt/scratchbox | 10:30 |
| Macer | have an 80% success rate for these wii games | 10:30 |
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| lbt | LiraNuna: AFAIK suihkulokki is one of the sb2 devs and all round good guy... keep an eye out | 10:31 |
| johnxx | LiraNuna, that's what this is, right? http://maemo-sdk.garage.maemo.org/index.html | 10:31 |
| LiraNuna | lbt, I had a chance talking to him, but he vanished :* | 10:31 |
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| LiraNuna | johnxx, yeah, but there isn't support for 64bit | 10:32 |
| johnxx | ah, well, you might have to improvise a little then | 10:32 |
| LiraNuna | I built my own cross compiler which works | 10:32 |
| LiraNuna | there are no documentations on how to init sb2, and if there are, they are either out of date or invalid | 10:33 |
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| LiraNuna | why is maemo-sdk 32bit only? can't I get the source and compile myself? | 10:38 |
| LiraNuna | scratchbox2 is in the ubuntu repositories, I can't see how a script can have problem when switching archs | 10:39 |
| Jaffa | Morning, all | 10:39 |
| Razumihin | Maemo sdk requires older scratchbox. | 10:40 |
| johnxx | LiraNuna, I think some people have used sb1 on 64-bit distros successfully. I know I tried it as well by disabling some checks. I really don't know what to tell you other than give it a shot | 10:40 |
| johnxx | also, keep in mind that not all of the source behind the maemo-sdk is available | 10:41 |
| LiraNuna | at least I can cross compile | 10:41 |
| LiraNuna | johnxx, I'm trying to do it manually, I don't like hacking a script that is meant for another arch | 10:42 |
| johnxx | then maybe run a 32bit chroot / 32bit vm? | 10:43 |
| johnxx | there's a nice vmware image you can use in virtualbox I hear | 10:43 |
| Razumihin | Yep. I would recommend virtualbox | 10:43 |
| LiraNuna | I already run VB for virtual XP | 10:43 |
| LiraNuna | for applications I'm forced to use | 10:43 |
| johnxx | well, then you're halfway there :) | 10:44 |
| suihkulokki | LiraNuna: where did you get to last night? | 10:44 |
| LiraNuna | suihkulokki, a.out isn't found | 10:44 |
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| qwerty12 | LiraNuna, considering that scratchbox1 has already been built for amd64, why not try that first: http://www.ipi.fi/~pablo/ ? (Besides that, scratchbox2 is more of a pain in the ass) | 10:46 |
| Stskeeps | qwerty12: zenvoid said you knew where to disable hildon window borders btw? | 10:46 |
| * Myrtti ♥ pablo | 10:46 | |
| LiraNuna | I think I had the wrong rootstrap | 10:47 |
| LiraNuna | I had rootfs instead of rootstrap | 10:47 |
| LiraNuna | what I originally had was ~10MB, this one's 140MB | 10:47 |
| qwerty12 | Stskeeps: I don't know where - I said Khertan found out how to get rid of the left, bottom and right borders via the gtkrc | 10:48 |
| Stskeeps | ah | 10:48 |
| suihkulokki | LiraNuna: does sb2 -e ./a.out work ? | 10:51 |
| LiraNuna | suihkulokki, I erased what I had out of frustration, but I think I was using a wrong rootstrap | 10:51 |
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| LiraNuna | nope, same error | 10:54 |
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| LiraNuna | suihkulokki, http://pastie.org/491081 | 10:56 |
| LiraNuna | the libtool config.log says ./a.out not found too | 10:56 |
| Macer | hm. finishing the documentary on chernobyl | 10:56 |
| Macer | always nice to see that there was white hot magma :) | 10:57 |
| Macer | 3000C magma | 10:57 |
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| LiraNuna | suihkulokki, more throughout: http://pastie.org/491087 | 10:57 |
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| rmt_ | LiraNuna, I told you my setup, yes? I debootstrapped a 32bit ubuntu version in a directory, chroot'd to it, and installed the sb2 packages. | 10:59 |
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| LiraNuna | rmt_, I got ~20 chroots and cross compilers envs in my workstations | 10:59 |
| rmt_ | LiraNuna, Configured it as per website, then doing sb2 -e gcc blah blah blah | 10:59 |
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| Passeli | i am trying to run: fakeroot perl -MCPAN -e shell in scratchbox, but it gives me error: /scratchbox/tools/lib/perl5/5.8.4/CPAN/Config.pm | 11:00 |
| rmt_ | LiraNuna, Oh, good, then you'll figure it out no problem! :-) | 11:00 |
| Passeli | did also try to do chmod with fakeroot, but no success | 11:00 |
| Passeli | any suggestions? | 11:00 |
| LiraNuna | rmt_, I always do stuff out of the ordinary, I'd like ONCE to try 'official' dev tools | 11:00 |
| johnxx | LiraNuna, then why not try them? | 11:00 |
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| rmt_ | LiraNuna, Sounds cool. Could you fix all the bugs while you're there? :) | 11:01 |
| LiraNuna | johnxx, I don't need another chroot for i386 system which will chroot an arm system | 11:01 |
| Stskeeps | LiraNuna: i think maemo sdk abstract a lot of the insanity away :P | 11:02 |
| qwerty12 | Passeli: Make sure perl (and perl-modules) are installed in your scratchbox and then type this: export SBOX_REDIRECT_IGNORE=/usr/bin/perl ; export PATH=/usr/bin:$PATH - it'll tell scratchbox's perl to piss off and it'll use Maemo's perl | 11:02 |
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| mib_zdn6h6 | Eclipse error: The software items you selected may not be valid with your current installation" shows up. | 11:03 |
| Passeli | qwerty12: thar worked! thanks! | 11:04 |
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| johnxx | LiraNuna, then what about a vm? | 11:05 |
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| LiraNuna | I'm not trying to bypass a problem, I'm trying to solve/understand it | 11:06 |
| johnxx | fair enough, but often wanting to use the official tools and wanting to solve a problem are going to be two things competing for your time | 11:06 |
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| LiraNuna | http://pastie.org/491100 | 11:10 |
| LiraNuna | it finally found it | 11:10 |
| LiraNuna | in a totally weird way | 11:10 |
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| zakkm | i was wondering if its possible at all, "easily" anyways to have lets say echo theme installed and justttt for the finger keyboard have like another theme .. like a mixture almost.. but just for finger keyboard | 11:12 |
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| * rmt_ modified his image viewer to load images from zipfiles, thereby replacing comix on his 810.. http://trac.corporatism.org/browser for source | 11:14 | |
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| johnxx | rmt_, hey cool :) | 11:14 |
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| johnxx | zakkm, you'd probably want to make a new custom theme, but I think that's possible | 11:15 |
| zakkm | johnxx: im wondering if theres seperate entries for finger keyboard and the rest of the gtk theme in gtkrc | 11:15 |
| qwerty12 | rmt_: Ever tried the Maemo port of cbrpager? It's in C, unlike Comix which is in python, which made it a ton faster than Comix | 11:15 |
| zakkm | or does fingerkeyboard read a certain part of the gtkrc | 11:15 |
| johnxx | it might just be image files | 11:15 |
| zakkm | cbrpages is slow? at least for me | 11:16 |
| rmt_ | qwerty12, Might be good. Mine pipe's unzip, due to buggy VAPI bindings with libgsf | 11:16 |
| qwerty12 | zakkm: there are image files and there are gtkrc entries. Some things (like the font used to display the text displayed) is hardcoded in the hildon input method plugin | 11:17 |
| qwerty12 | s/displayed/typed/ | 11:17 |
| infobot | qwerty12 meant: zakkm: there are image files and there are gtkrc entries. Some things (like the font used to display the text typed) is hardcoded in the hildon input method plugin | 11:17 |
| zakkm | not font | 11:17 |
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| zakkm | i like the felica? nice black background white when pressed... finger keyboard | 11:17 |
| zakkm | but i love the echo everything else ( outside finger keyboard ) | 11:17 |
| Meiz_n810 | qwerty12: could you implement movable-dialogs in Mer theme-changer? | 11:17 |
| zakkm | so i sort of wanted echo + "felica finger keyboard theme" | 11:18 |
| qwerty12 | Meiz_n810: Sorry, I don't touch it anymore | 11:18 |
| Meiz_n810 | k | 11:18 |
| qwerty12 | It's all open for anyone who does wish to | 11:18 |
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| johnxx | qwerty12, don't touch mer or theme changer? | 11:18 |
| qwerty12 | johnxx, in true honesty, both | 11:19 |
| johnxx | real life keeping you busy? | 11:19 |
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| qwerty12 | Yeah.. chatting is easy but packaging (and coding like shit) takes a little more time :) | 11:20 |
| johnxx | I know the feeling :) | 11:21 |
| johnxx | oh how I know the feeling | 11:21 |
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| Stskeeps | yeah, and as i just said in #mer, mer is a volunteer effort not a sect, people can come and go if they want - but we're thankful of all contributions done while in :) | 11:24 |
| * Stskeeps passes qwerty12 a cookie | 11:24 | |
| qwerty12 | Thanks :) | 11:25 |
| johnxx | I think we owe you a lot more than a cookie :) | 11:25 |
| Passeli | qwerty12: when trying to install module with cpan shell, it will crash and create core file | 11:25 |
| Passeli | using file, the content is: core: ELF 32-bit LSB core file Intel 80386, version 1 (SYSV), SVR4-style, SVR4-style, from 'qemu-arm-cvs-m' | 11:25 |
| LiraNuna | funny, ./configure --host=arm-linux-gnueabi --prefix=~/maemo/usr #works just great | 11:25 |
| johnxx | qwerty12, when will you get out towards one of us? or do we have to crash your house to buy you a drink? | 11:25 |
| qwerty12 | Passeli: No idea, sorry, I've had scratchbox segfault even when pasting long commands into it >.< | 11:26 |
| * Stskeeps hugs obs | 11:26 | |
| qwerty12 | johnxx: Considering I'm not of legal age to buy a drink in this country, the second option may not work out well for you :P | 11:27 |
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| johnxx | qwerty12, I've fled countries before, it's just not as big a deal after the first couple times, so don't sweat it on my account | 11:28 |
| qwerty12 | haha | 11:29 |
| qwerty12 | On tmo's birthday session, I misread you as having your 64th birthday :P | 11:29 |
| qwerty12 | *section | 11:29 |
| johnxx | huh? me? | 11:31 |
| johnxx | you make me feel old, but I'm not that old yet :P | 11:31 |
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| qwerty12 | Lol, yeah, it said johnf :P | 11:31 |
| johnxx | aaah | 11:32 |
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| qwerty12 | I hope that's not one of your stolen identities that you've obtained by leaving countries :) | 11:33 |
| johnxx | well, that'd be tellin' :) | 11:34 |
| johnxx | 'night | 11:34 |
| qwerty12 | hehe, g'night | 11:34 |
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| rmt_ | qwerty12, Hmm, it seems a bit slow loading the next image, though. | 11:38 |
| rmt_ | Maybe it re-reads the filelist every time.. | 11:39 |
| qwerty12 | Ah, fair enough. I would classify it as an improvement over Comix but I haven't seen your viewer yet. :) | 11:39 |
| rmt_ | the downside of mine is that it requires a newer gtk .. and it was really designed for fullscreen mode only w/o scrolling.. | 11:40 |
| rmt_ | I guess adding a file load dialog wouldn't be hard, though.. and possibly switching away from using libgee. | 11:40 |
| rmt_ | (to make it run on diablo) | 11:40 |
| qwerty12 | That reminds me, I need to reinstall that patched libgtk with wrap-around menus. I reflashed and I hate the fact that I can't press up when at the first item in a menu to go to the last | 11:41 |
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| tonyyarusso | is it possible to change the username to something other than 'user'? | 11:46 |
| timeless_mbp | install Mer | 11:48 |
| timeless_mbp | or "no, apps expect the username to be user" | 11:48 |
| timeless_mbp | given that dbus expects the root user to be named root | 11:48 |
| timeless_mbp | do you really expect better? :( | 11:48 |
| * timeless_mbp kicks dbus | 11:48 | |
| timeless_mbp | someone disabled the 'root' account on my ubuntu box yesterday and the next time i booted, i couldn't move my mouse or use the keyboard from gdm | 11:49 |
| zakkm | does it really matter? | 11:49 |
| timeless_mbp | tonyyarusso: the only place where it matters that i can think of is ssh, and you can use .ssh/config to change the outbound username | 11:49 |
| zakkm | timeless_mbp: how do you disable root? | 11:49 |
| timeless_mbp | zakkm: dunno, it happened, i don't log all actions taken by me/agents on my behalf | 11:50 |
| tonyyarusso | timeless_mbp: good point - ssh was the main thing I was thinking of. | 11:50 |
| timeless_mbp | the userid was changed from 0 to -1 | 11:50 |
| zakkm | ah | 11:50 |
| timeless_mbp | if you're asking what technically happened to /etc/passwd | 11:50 |
| zakkm | yeah | 11:50 |
| zakkm | i didnt think of that | 11:50 |
| timeless_mbp | i later put in a toor:0 account to chase the problem down | 11:50 |
| timeless_mbp | and eventually mzz (who people can meet this weekend!) figured out how dbus decided to be "special" | 11:51 |
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| Stskeeps | disabling root with changing userid to -1 is insane. just lock the account? :P | 11:52 |
| timeless_mbp | i didn't do it intentionally | 11:53 |
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| timeless_mbp | i have no idea which thing did it | 11:53 |
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| timeless_mbp | believe me, i'll thwap the offender if/when i find him/her | 11:53 |
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| thux | does usb driver effect usb port voltage? | 12:00 |
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| zakkm | a driver cant change voltage can it? | 12:01 |
| zakkm | thux: ^ | 12:01 |
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| thux | strange | 12:02 |
| zakkm | can it? | 12:03 |
| florian | good morning | 12:04 |
| thux | i got usb stick dvb and it needs usb hub with linux but not with vista :p | 12:04 |
| thux | i thought it could be voltage matter | 12:05 |
| qwerty12 | thux: In relation to the tablet: http://talk.maemo.org/showpost.php?p=154920&postcount=30 | 12:06 |
| timeless_mbp | zakkm: afaiu, usb requires hosts to change the voltage to fit valid requests of clients | 12:06 |
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| zakkm | thats not driver though is it | 12:07 |
| zakkm | timeless_mbp: your wording confuses me a bit, thats more device changing it depending on what it needs, not the computer driver changing voltage | 12:08 |
| zakkm | like in windows.. and i install nvidia driver... the nvidia driver cant suddenly be all virus'y on me and start my videocard to overvoltage and break | 12:09 |
| zakkm | could it? | 12:09 |
| thux | and it couldn't be os matter either i suppose? | 12:10 |
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| zakkm | the way i thought it was is like the nokia wants 1.3v lets say to charge it... you plug it in .. the thing sees it wants 1.3v .. it gives it 1.3v | 12:10 |
| timeless_mbp | http://www.usb.org/developers/usbfaq/ | 12:10 |
| timeless_mbp | the USB-IF strongly recommends this soft start circuit be designed such that the device's current draw doesn't exceed the MaxPower specified in the device's configuration descriptor. | 12:11 |
| qwerty12 | zakkm: Why not? Overclocking programs use their own drivers to overclock things and Microsoft seems to push signed drivers a lot. | 12:11 |
| timeless_mbp | zakkm: keep in mind that i'm a software dev, i know nothing about hardware | 12:11 |
| timeless_mbp | otoh, i can pretend to read documents | 12:11 |
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| timeless_mbp | i'm going to assume that the "device's configuration descriptor" is something that one can read dynamically and isn't just something printed in a manual | 12:12 |
| timeless_mbp | based on the way that section is written, it seems like power is vaguely dynamic and at least hypothetically controllable in software | 12:12 |
| thux | damn i thought i could just edit ehci_hcd to crank up more voltage to ubuntu | 12:13 |
| zakkm | qwerty12: so that means oyu could theorically make a program and when ran , it would start to break every hardware mostly, cause it overclocks it to such extreme | 12:13 |
| timeless_mbp | thux: note that i'm only looking at things from a theoretical perspective | 12:13 |
| timeless_mbp | i know nothing about hardware :) | 12:13 |
| Stskeeps | theoretically you can blow up your tablet if you fiddle with BME | 12:13 |
| Stskeeps | :P | 12:13 |
| timeless_mbp | yeah, so "don't do that!" | 12:14 |
| zakkm | qwerty12: overclocking software relies on motherboard support though, i overclock my desktop currently(did through bios) | 12:14 |
| zakkm | Stskeeps: would make a good danish weekend finale :) | 12:14 |
| zakkm | BOOM! | 12:14 |
| Stskeeps | zakkm: i already lost one tablet to development and harsh treatment. :P | 12:14 |
| zakkm | or starting rather.. whos needs a starting gun, just need a tablet and some tech skill :) | 12:15 |
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| X-Fade | Stskeeps: Only one? :) | 12:15 |
| Stskeeps | so far | 12:16 |
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| qwerty12 | Stskeeps: Mine is probably dying too... the screen went all fuzzy on me once and it kept doing that everytime I switched it on at the Nokia logo that NOLO displays. Until I started it up with the charger in... | 12:16 |
| Stskeeps | qwerty12: yeah.. i had that with macer's too | 12:18 |
| * Stskeeps sits down and writes the big todo of danish weekend | 12:18 | |
| Stskeeps | (as in, my todo) | 12:18 |
| Stskeeps | X-Fade: btw, is nokia-binaries token system entirely maemo.org based? | 12:19 |
| X-Fade | Quite a nice bunch there. | 12:19 |
| X-Fade | Stskeeps: What do you mean? | 12:20 |
| Stskeeps | (read: do you have the code if we were to use it for similar situations) | 12:20 |
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| Stskeeps | the system where you agree to a EULA and you get an apt source :) | 12:20 |
| X-Fade | Stskeeps: Marcell wrote it, I guess I can get that for you. (He will be in CPH too btw) | 12:20 |
| Stskeeps | i plan to sit down with you, jeremiah, marcell, qgil and see if we can work something out regarding HW support binaries for N8x0 - the token idea will work just fine | 12:21 |
| X-Fade | Stskeeps: We'll need to have a meeting planned there too. So we can see what you guys would need from us. | 12:21 |
| Stskeeps | yeah | 12:21 |
| X-Fade | Indeed | 12:21 |
| Stskeeps | so far i have the token system and OBS talks | 12:22 |
| X-Fade | repository hosting? | 12:22 |
| X-Fade | pushing community updates in diablo as SSU? :) | 12:22 |
| Stskeeps | i'm not even sure we need repository hosting, unless we make a obs instance for maemo.org in the longer term | 12:22 |
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| Stskeeps | mmm. maybe, i'm not really in that area (i gave up on diablo entirely) | 12:23 |
| X-Fade | Stskeeps: Push community replacement ;) | 12:23 |
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| Stskeeps | i'll gladly give me input though | 12:23 |
| Stskeeps | my | 12:23 |
| Stskeeps | bbl lunch though | 12:24 |
| Macer | there really aren't too many original wii games | 12:28 |
| Macer | they all seem to kind of suck minus the real big name games | 12:28 |
| Macer | mostly all the 3rd party games suck | 12:28 |
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| X-Fade | lcuk_bacon: Just to get it going again? | 12:47 |
| lcuk_bacon | yeah | 12:47 |
| * lcuk_bacon should check how his bug report is goin | 12:48 | |
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| timeless_mbp | X-Fade: ping | 12:48 |
| timeless_mbp | http://maemo.org/news/planet-maemo/ | 12:48 |
| timeless_mbp | hover over " Daniel Gentleman" in firefox | 12:49 |
| X-Fade | timeless_mbp: What's wrong? | 12:49 |
| X-Fade | Ah, space in link? | 12:49 |
| timeless_mbp | yep | 12:49 |
| timeless_mbp | XXX Please Fix Me | 12:49 |
| X-Fade | :) will do.. let me see. | 12:49 |
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| * Stskeeps yawns | 12:50 | |
| timeless_mbp | me sighs | 12:51 |
| timeless_mbp | reading talk v. his article is like night and day | 12:51 |
| * timeless_mbp sighs | 12:52 | |
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| lcuk_bacon | timeless_mbp: which article, hes posted a few last couple of days | 13:00 |
| timeless_mbp | actually, i think i'm wrong about the author | 13:00 |
| lcuk_bacon | i agree, the one from jamie was better | 13:01 |
| amr | hm how annoying | 13:01 |
| amr | installed rtcomm | 13:01 |
| amr | still cant access my msn account | 13:01 |
| amr | but i can in pidgin | 13:01 |
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| * timeless_mbp ponders | 13:02 | |
| timeless_mbp | how is that "annoying"? | 13:02 |
| Robot101 | wjt: so, like, haze right? :) | 13:02 |
| thux | pidgin vs rtcomm which one use more memory? | 13:04 |
| * wjt explodes | 13:04 | |
| amr | timeless_mbp, because it isn't working :( | 13:05 |
| wjt | amr: sorry :( | 13:05 |
| amr | sorry why? | 13:05 |
| wjt | amr: i haven't updated haze or libpurple lately, hence msn doesn't work any more | 13:05 |
| amr | oh | 13:05 |
| amr | :( | 13:05 |
| * Myrtti gives wjt a cookie | 13:06 | |
| amr | ill paypal you 5 of my great british pounds to fix it | 13:06 |
| amr | and possibly a cookie | 13:06 |
| Myrtti | plz fixxor itz? | 13:06 |
| Robot101 | our keen debian packaging minion is away this month doing exams | 13:06 |
| Robot101 | otherwise we could get him to do it | 13:06 |
| amr | lol | 13:06 |
| wjt | right. let's actually email the libpurple packager ... | 13:06 |
| amr | hm, apparently i need to reboot | 13:07 |
| amr | brb my dears | 13:07 |
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| Robot101 | hey, we can send amr to hunt jonny down and get him to do the packages! :) | 13:08 |
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| X-Fade | timeless_mbp: Should be better now. | 13:11 |
| timeless_mbp | :)( | 13:11 |
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| Macer | the wii saga continues | 13:36 |
| Macer | johnxx: you got mer working on the wii? | 13:36 |
| Macer | Wii Linux currently does not support the Wii's built-in WiFi, even though the drivers for this device are built into the Linux kernel. | 13:37 |
| Macer | was wondering if you got the internal wifi to work in mer | 13:37 |
| Stskeeps | think he's asleep | 13:39 |
| Stskeeps | he used ethernet on usb i think | 13:39 |
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| timeless_mbp | > Last edited by Peter@Maemo Marketing; Today at 03:11 AM. | 13:43 |
| timeless_mbp | what the heck was peter doing awake @3am? | 13:43 |
| X-Fade | timeless_mbp: 3am us timezone? | 13:43 |
| lcuk | which post got him out of his slumber | 13:43 |
| Stskeeps | timeless_mbp: browsing Talk, obviously | 13:43 |
| Stskeeps | :P | 13:43 |
| * lcuk has vnc now again | 13:43 | |
| timeless_mbp | X-Fade: why the heck would t.m.o be in a us time zone? | 13:44 |
| timeless_mbp | isn't *.m.o in .eu/.fi? | 13:44 |
| X-Fade | timeless_mbp: talk is in us. | 13:44 |
| timeless_mbp | is there a bug about it not localizing timestamps? | 13:44 |
| Stskeeps | there's a setting in your control panel | 13:44 |
| Stskeeps | for it, afaik | 13:44 |
| X-Fade | But it should show your in timezone. | 13:44 |
| X-Fade | Scroll down to the bottom of the page to check. | 13:45 |
| timeless_mbp | All times are GMT -4. The time now is 06:39 AM. | 13:45 |
| lcuk | or go and see peter and see if hes holding eyes open with matchsticks | 13:45 |
| * timeless_mbp grumbles | 13:45 | |
| timeless_mbp | could someone please fix talk? | 13:46 |
| X-Fade | timeless_mbp: Set your timezone, it says GMT+2 for me. | 13:46 |
| timeless_mbp | 06:39 AM is not a valid time | 13:46 |
| timeless_mbp | the 0 doesn't belong | 13:46 |
| timeless_mbp | didn't they learn *anything* from the end user complaints about the tablets? :) | 13:46 |
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| timeless_mbp | X-Fade: um... is this account connected to garage/wiki? | 13:46 |
| X-Fade | no | 13:47 |
| timeless_mbp | ... | 13:48 |
| timeless_mbp | can't be bothered | 13:48 |
| timeless_mbp | contact me when it's integrated | 13:48 |
| Stskeeps | when sso is made :) | 13:48 |
| timeless_mbp | ok, i finished just in time to get lunch | 13:48 |
| lcuk | SSO is being organised isnt it | 13:48 |
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| Macer | Stskeeps: ah ok. i see | 13:50 |
| Macer | i'm guessing it worked? | 13:50 |
| Macer | i wanted to port gentoo over to it | 13:50 |
| Macer | or ppc debian | 13:50 |
| Macer | i was a little curious if he was able to mount wbfs also | 13:51 |
| Macer | would be nice to be able to do stuff like that on the wii | 13:51 |
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| Macer | maybe even run hellanzb on it | 13:51 |
| qwerty12 | Macer: feel free to build http://gbatemp.net/index.php?showtopic=146731 for it ;) | 13:53 |
| Macer | fuse huh? | 13:54 |
| RST38h | moo all | 13:54 |
| Macer | how unnative :) | 13:54 |
| qwerty12 | moo RST38h | 13:54 |
| Macer | qwerty12: have you tried it? | 13:55 |
| Macer | on the wii itself? :) | 13:55 |
| lcuk | macer, does the wii support xv | 13:56 |
| qwerty12 | Nope, I haven't tried Linux for it, I use the XBOX for that :) | 13:56 |
| Macer | i think i am going to try to install gentoo on it if it's at all possible | 13:56 |
| Macer | lcuk: i have no idea. i haven't even tried yet | 13:56 |
| lcuk | ahhh right | 13:56 |
| Macer | the wii distro looks very unpromising... when johnxx pops up | 13:56 |
| Macer | i will ask him how mer is on it :) | 13:56 |
| * lcuk would like to see liqbase on it one day :) | 13:56 | |
| lcuk | you know | 13:56 |
| Macer | really i would just like to be able to download games straight to it | 13:56 |
| lcuk | someone mentioned about using the new nokia as a wiimote | 13:57 |
| Macer | i have a 400G wbfs hooked up to it now | 13:57 |
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| lcuk | i thought it would be inpractical | 13:57 |
| lcuk | but it could do *more* than a mote | 13:57 |
| Macer | yeah that would be a little aswkard | 13:57 |
| lcuk | cos of the touchpanel under thumb | 13:57 |
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| Macer | i hate the wiimote | 13:57 |
| * lcuk likes it | 13:57 | |
| Macer | especially the c button on the nunchuck | 13:57 |
| Myrtti | could be worse | 13:57 |
| Macer | something about using 2 fingers on the left hand that just throws it off | 13:57 |
| lcuk | ours are mostly stuck in steering wheels lol | 13:58 |
| Myrtti | can I haz a nap? plz | 13:58 |
| * lcuk loves disneys cars | 13:58 | |
| RST38h | Macer: just buy a classic game pad for it | 13:58 |
| Macer | RST38h: i was thinking about doing that | 13:58 |
| lcuk | i help jake to get all the bonuses :) | 13:58 |
| * RST38h puts Myrtti to sleep | 13:58 | |
| Macer | RST38h: is it wired? | 13:58 |
| qwerty12 | Classic Controller sucks; get the gamecube controller instead | 13:58 |
| qwerty12 | Macer: Classic controller connects to wiimote | 13:58 |
| RST38h | Macer: Afaik, it sits on the wiimote | 13:58 |
| Macer | oh | 13:58 |
| qwerty12 | Gamecube controller comes in a wireless form called Wavebird | 13:58 |
| Macer | i hated the gc controller more than the wiimote :) | 13:58 |
| Macer | well. the gc ports were just usb ports right? | 13:59 |
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| Macer | i know the wii uses the usb for its bt | 13:59 |
| qwerty12 | But with homebrew, it's much more supported than the classic controller is. And, normally, it does more iirc | 13:59 |
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| Macer | qwerty12: what is the classic remote basted on ? | 13:59 |
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| Macer | isn't it just like a ps3 controller with a couple less buttons? | 14:00 |
| Macer | i tried playing samurai showdown with the wiimote and almost threw it because it was so crappy to use | 14:00 |
| Macer | mario kart isn't too bad | 14:00 |
| qwerty12 | Mario kart is awesome with a nunchuk | 14:01 |
| Macer | yeah :) it's all about the manual drifting | 14:01 |
| Macer | haha | 14:01 |
| qwerty12 | I hate playing with a wheel; so much less control | 14:01 |
| qwerty12 | yep :) | 14:01 |
| Macer | you get a boost by manual drifting. that was pretty awesome | 14:01 |
| Macer | i don't see how you can play the harder levels in automatic | 14:01 |
| qwerty12 | I haz unlimited star cheat :P | 14:01 |
| Macer | oh that's just wrong | 14:01 |
| Macer | i haven't even tried using the cheat engine on it | 14:02 |
| Macer | what do they call it.. ocarania or something? | 14:02 |
| qwerty12 | Yep, Ocarina | 14:02 |
| Macer | i was more interested in using coverfloader | 14:02 |
| Macer | awesome usb loader :) | 14:02 |
| qwerty12 | I use Gecko OS to load cheats up for games I burned and Loadstructor for games on a USB | 14:02 |
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| qwerty12 | Loadstructor is my favourite as it just makes channels | 14:03 |
| Macer | they have an app that makes channels for games and lets you usb load them from the channel | 14:03 |
| Macer | makes wads to install | 14:03 |
| Macer | thought that was pretty interesting | 14:03 |
| qwerty12 | Yep: http://clusterrr.com/Loadstructor.html | 14:03 |
| Macer | but coverfloader is great | 14:03 |
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| Macer | has a 3d interface and downloads the covers automatically | 14:04 |
| qwerty12 | That's how I used to load my games until I just burnt them and got back to using my SD card back in the Nokia again :) | 14:04 |
| Macer | the normal usb loader looks like something from the neorageX era | 14:04 |
| Macer | well. i was going to try the linux distro they have for it but it looks like it totally sucks and serves no purpose :) | 14:04 |
| Macer | so i want to see how johnxx got mer going on it and if i could use apt | 14:05 |
| Macer | i figure it would just use ppc repos | 14:05 |
| Macer | the wii is just a G4 with an arm for io | 14:05 |
| qwerty12 | I hate the IOS system personally | 14:05 |
| Macer | haha | 14:06 |
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| Macer | i was looking for different ios versions for a while one day | 14:06 |
| Macer | i thought bootmii was cool | 14:06 |
| Macer | can backup the nand in case you do something wrong to it and just restore it | 14:06 |
| qwerty12 | Heh, my one is too shi^H^H^Hnew and I can only install it as IOS - not as boot2 | 14:07 |
| Macer | oh | 14:07 |
| Macer | that sucks | 14:07 |
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| Macer | doesn't that kind of defeat the purpose? | 14:07 |
| Macer | :) | 14:07 |
| Macer | if it can't boot the nand then won't you be kind of screwed if you wanted to restore? | 14:08 |
| qwerty12 | Yeah, its stated that it's for running programs that use Team Twizzers's MINI | 14:08 |
| qwerty12 | Yeah... | 14:08 |
| Macer | what's mini. some sort of hax0red wii kernel? | 14:08 |
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| Macer | i just wish i could run an ftp daemon that mounted the wbfs drive | 14:09 |
| Macer | ftpii doesn't work with the sd for some reason. i am guessing because it lacks sdhc support and i moved up to a 4G | 14:09 |
| qwerty12 | It's their thing for running programs that don't use the IOS system - thereby gaining control of the entire hardware before Nintendo can do anything | 14:10 |
| rmt_ | Hmm.. to get the drag-scrollable area in Gtk, you have to make use of hildon-scroll-area, or it's a gtk thing in general? | 14:10 |
| Macer | qwerty12: ah. i see. | 14:10 |
| Macer | i looked at the older way you had to hack it and using zelda seems like it would have been a pain | 14:10 |
| Macer | the bannerbomb stuff i used took like 30 secs :) | 14:11 |
| Macer | and works with 4.0 | 14:11 |
| qwerty12 | Yep, used bannerbomb and downgraded to 3.2. Then upgraded to 4.0 using Waninkoko's stuff and trucha signed the IOSes :) | 14:11 |
| Macer | i'm still cracking up at overkill's intro | 14:11 |
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| Macer | "he'll cut your balls" "i will cut your motha fuckin balls off" | 14:11 |
| Macer | that shit was a riot | 14:12 |
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| Macer | ah well. i'm going to try out madworld again | 14:12 |
| Macer | i still can't get it to run | 14:12 |
| Macer | gives me a green screen and freezes the wii | 14:13 |
| Macer | i tried every ios out there :) i'm hoping it was because i didn't use the vid patch | 14:13 |
| Macer | some games needed the patch to run | 14:13 |
| qwerty12 | Heh. I'm using cioscorp so my IOSes are old as shit :( | 14:14 |
| Macer | what ver? | 14:14 |
| Macer | i just installed cios v10 a little while ago | 14:14 |
| Macer | hoping that would fix it :) | 14:14 |
| Macer | just get the v10 installer | 14:14 |
| qwerty12 | Oh, cios rev10. Cioscorp is something that replaces the DIP in all the other IOSes to let you load up backups from the disc channel | 14:15 |
| Macer | well. i'm on my last 2 downloads. i think i'm up to 70 games | 14:15 |
| Macer | why not just use the backup channel? | 14:15 |
| qwerty12 | I'm lazy :) | 14:15 |
| Macer | haha | 14:15 |
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| Macer | the 4.0 soft pack has it included :) | 14:16 |
| Macer | it took me a little while to figure all the stuff out because i've never done it and i had a bit of a learning curve as to how it worked | 14:16 |
| qwerty12 | I did everything myself, I don't like using packs - I prefer to know what I'm applying :) | 14:16 |
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| Macer | the pack only installs 3 things.. well.. 2 really | 14:16 |
| Macer | bootmii... and the different ioses that you need | 14:17 |
| Summeli | I have to try that one too | 14:17 |
| Macer | all it is is a collection | 14:17 |
| Summeli | currently I'm also using cios rev9 + backup channel, thanks :) | 14:17 |
| Macer | the methods are the same.. they just packaged the wads for you | 14:17 |
| qwerty12 | Ah, cool | 14:17 |
| Macer | Summeli: use a usb hd and a usb loader ;) | 14:18 |
| Macer | it's great. no disc burning or switching | 14:18 |
| qwerty12 | I'm waiting on Softcorp so I can use the latest IOSes with the backup DIP | 14:18 |
| Macer | qwerty12: doesn't the backup channel do that same exact thing? | 14:18 |
| Macer | i don't know. messing with the stock disc channel sounds scary | 14:19 |
| qwerty12 | Yeah, backup channel doesn't require it but it all comes back up my laziness - I like to load my burnt CDs from the disc channel :) | 14:19 |
| Macer | lol | 14:19 |
| Macer | does it let you force regions? | 14:19 |
| Macer | i kept running into pal/ntsc problems | 14:19 |
| qwerty12 | No :(, I have to go through a channel for that | 14:19 |
| Macer | it is kind of a pain to load usbfloader from homebrew | 14:20 |
| Macer | wish i could add it as a channel but don't know how | 14:20 |
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| Macer | instead of having to load home brew then go into usbfloader | 14:20 |
| Macer | er.. coverfloader | 14:20 |
| Macer | i'll probably look into it later | 14:20 |
| Macer | doing it that way would be totally awesome :) | 14:21 |
| qwerty12 | Hasn't no one done it yet? I used to have the original usb loader as a channel until I replaced it with Uniiloader (plain, borning loader but as a channel, it works well in an emergency :)) | 14:21 |
| qwerty12 | *boring | 14:21 |
| Macer | i don't know | 14:21 |
| Macer | i just got it working yesterday :) | 14:21 |
| Macer | didn't think about it at the time | 14:21 |
| Macer | i still need to mess with teh bootmii ini so i can set a timer on the boot screen | 14:21 |
| Macer | i have to keep getting up and hitting reset every time i want the damn thing to start up | 14:22 |
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| qwerty12 | It supports a timer? All my INI has is just straight autoboot options | 14:22 |
| Macer | i think if you set the autoboot it will default to a 5sec timer | 14:22 |
| qwerty12 | But, as I have it installed an IOS, it doesn't make a difference I guess | 14:22 |
| qwerty12 | Ah | 14:22 |
| Macer | it's messing with my life :) i hate it that i have to sit there and hit the reset button | 14:23 |
| Macer | and to fix it i have to pull the sd.. edit it.. and put it back | 14:23 |
| qwerty12 | You can use a gamecube controller with it :P | 14:23 |
| Macer | i would have to dig one up | 14:23 |
| Macer | i don't even remember wher ei pub my gc controllers | 14:23 |
| Macer | but those are wired anyways and short.. i'd still have to get up to do it | 14:23 |
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| Macer | when i get a chance i will just set the autoboot | 14:24 |
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| qwerty12 | Wavebird is still pretty expensive here, costs about the same as a Wiimote >.< | 14:24 |
| Macer | i'm waiting on a couple more downloads then i'm copying this last batch of games over and then making things a little more perm | 14:24 |
| Macer | what's a wavebird? | 14:25 |
| qwerty12 | Wireless gamecube controller | 14:25 |
| Macer | oh | 14:25 |
| Macer | does it use an ir that you plug into the controller port? | 14:25 |
| qwerty12 | yeah | 14:25 |
| Macer | that sounds pretty good | 14:25 |
| Macer | although it would look ugly keeping the top open | 14:25 |
| Macer | or do you rip the cover off and replace it with the ir? | 14:26 |
| Macer | :) | 14:26 |
| qwerty12 | Yeah, they should have just made that white - they made the cover removable ffs | 14:26 |
| Macer | figured they could have just made the ir the same size of the cover | 14:27 |
| Macer | something that you could replace and that would just go into all 4 ports | 14:27 |
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| Macer | well. the gc ports are just usb ports right? | 14:27 |
| Macer | just a proprietary port shape | 14:28 |
| Macer | ah well.. i'm going to play a game and go to sleep. :) | 14:28 |
| Macer | ttyl.. still playing punch out haha | 14:28 |
| qwerty12 | Reading Yet Another Gamecube Documentation, they seem proprietary :) | 14:28 |
| qwerty12 | Heh, have fun :P | 14:29 |
| Macer | later on today when i wake up | 14:30 |
| Macer | you want to try this mario kart against each other? :) | 14:30 |
| Macer | want to see how good the wii does the whole internet playing crap | 14:30 |
| qwerty12 | Heh, I have to GTFO my computer :) | 14:30 |
| qwerty12 | Another time though :P | 14:31 |
| Macer | i said later ;) | 14:31 |
| Macer | haha.. .cool. if you ever find the time | 14:31 |
| Macer | never used a console for internet play before | 14:31 |
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| Macer | ttyl ;) | 14:31 |
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| lcuk | what are "potato croquettes" | 14:35 |
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| Stskeeps | they're ok | 14:36 |
| lcuk | lol | 14:38 |
| lcuk | doesnt help me know what they are | 14:38 |
| * lcuk cant open google :P | 14:38 | |
| aspect | (deep?) fried mashed potato with stuff in it | 14:39 |
| aspect | sometimes cheese, that goes well | 14:39 |
| lcuk | mmm sounds lovely | 14:40 |
| aspect | they can be pretty yummy | 14:40 |
| lcuk | so they are like posh waffles? | 14:40 |
| aspect | not really | 14:40 |
| lcuk | (this is a really good topic for dinnertime) | 14:40 |
| lcuk | toastie pockets :D | 14:40 |
| aspect | more like little balls of fried potato :) | 14:41 |
| lcuk | cool, so my missus will enjoy eating her balls then | 14:41 |
| * lcuk winces | 14:41 | |
| aspect | dinnertime? what part of the world are you in? | 14:41 |
| lcuk | england | 14:41 |
| aspect | if it's dinner time there, the sun is broken | 14:42 |
| lcuk | 12-1 == dinner time, has been since i was a little kid | 14:42 |
| qwerty12_N800 | it is: it's all wet in London | 14:42 |
| lcuk | tea time is 5-6pm (or later depending on factors outside my control) | 14:42 |
| aspect | ah of course .. european dinner time :) | 14:43 |
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| lcuk | aspect, where are you | 14:43 |
| aspect | australia | 14:43 |
| aspect | I had dinner just a few hours ago :) | 14:44 |
| aspect | and lunch a while before that | 14:44 |
| lcuk | cool, not many aus users in here usually. | 14:45 |
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| fiferboy | lbt: ping | 15:46 |
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| lbt | fiferboy: ack | 15:50 |
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| fiferboy | lbt: acknowledged or frustrated noise? | 15:50 |
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| lbt | acknowledged :) | 15:50 |
| lbt | compiled up last nigh | 15:51 |
| lbt | t | 15:51 |
| lbt | made a few changes | 15:51 |
| lbt | moved the API to d-> | 15:51 |
| lbt | and triggered everything by DynamicPropertyChange Events | 15:51 |
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| fiferboy | lbt: Awesome. Can you send me the source files? | 15:53 |
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| lbt | sure | 15:58 |
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| fiferboy | lbt: Did you rearrange FingerScrollBars at all? | 16:19 |
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| lbt | yes | 16:19 |
| lbt | err | 16:20 |
| lbt | the functions | 16:20 |
| lbt | not the appearance | 16:20 |
| lbt | I only glanced at it at around 2am | 16:20 |
| lbt | :) | 16:20 |
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| fiferboy | :O | 16:22 |
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| fiferboy | hey wazd | 16:41 |
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| fiferboy | lbt: Have you sent the files? | 16:42 |
| Jaffa | hi wazd | 16:42 |
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| amr | hmm, im getting errors installing scratchbox | 16:44 |
| amr | Setting up scratchbox-core (1.0.11) ... | 16:44 |
| amr | dpkg: error processing scratchbox-core (--configure): | 16:44 |
| amr | and then everything else fails | 16:44 |
| amr | /var/lib/dpkg/info/scratchbox-core.postinst: 92: /scratchbox/sbin/sbox_configure: not found | 16:44 |
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| amr | hmms | 16:46 |
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| fiferboy | lbt: Have you put in any Mer flags (Q_OS_MER?) in the Mer Qt build? | 16:53 |
| lbt | not yet | 16:53 |
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| lbt | also, just sorting out the files | 16:54 |
| fiferboy | Gotcha | 16:54 |
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| Stskeeps | http://bsd.tspre.org/~stskeeps/merphone.png | 17:03 |
| Stskeeps | :> | 17:03 |
| RST38h | Where is ">call 555-5555 <enter>" ? =) | 17:04 |
| Stskeeps | hehe | 17:04 |
| Stskeeps | look at Hardware ;) | 17:04 |
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| Bobbe | should be used to it by now | 17:11 |
| Bobbe | lol | 17:11 |
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| lcuk | mobile application optimization - share your tips :) http://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?t=29193 | 17:25 |
| coldboot | Has anyone got gdb working in scratchbox 2 at all? | 17:25 |
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| Jaffa | lcuk: -6.75 glasses for the tiny 3.5" screen? ;-) | 17:28 |
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| danielwilms | lcuk: nice post! | 17:30 |
| * Stskeeps ponders if dabbling in powerlaunch will be good for his sanity | 17:30 | |
| RST38h | lcuk: principles of optimization are nly partically the same | 17:30 |
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| Stskeeps | ' WARNING: due to user now being listed in lifeguard.uids, lifeguard | 17:33 |
| Stskeeps | will do a reset in case of a user-started client respawning too fast | 17:33 |
| Stskeeps | ' | 17:33 |
| Stskeeps | oh boy | 17:33 |
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| lcuk | RST38h, thats exactly what i say | 17:43 |
| lcuk | danielwilms, thanks, thats what i attempted to get over a couple of weeks ago | 17:43 |
| lcuk | and jaffa :P we need telephoto upgrades to our eyes | 17:44 |
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| lcuk | actually, misread you there rst - they are universal | 17:46 |
| lcuk | ive used much the same techniques getting liqbase fast here as I started on the amiga | 17:47 |
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| lcuk | and i do the same in visual basic on windows (there the optimization is for a different reason but same effect) | 17:47 |
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| lopz | hola | 17:50 |
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| sanjay6976 | hi | 17:50 |
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| sanjay6976 | how to run application binaries built on sbox_DIABLO_ARMEL on the device .I tried with run-standalone.sh ./myapp but nothing comes up | 17:52 |
| sanjay6976 | any Idea? :) | 17:52 |
| lcuk | have you tried just actually running the binary | 17:53 |
| lcuk | and i assume you have copied it across and are running from an executable location | 17:54 |
| lcuk | (ie not mmc1/2 by default) | 17:54 |
| sanjay6976 | i was trying from mmc2 | 17:54 |
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| sanjay6976 | so where should i try from | 17:54 |
| sanjay6976 | lcuk:i mean where should i copy the binaries ? | 17:55 |
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| rmt_ | sanjay6976, home directory | 17:59 |
| rmt_ | sanjay6976, mmc1/mmc2 are vfat, and have noexec set by default. | 17:59 |
| rmt_ | (which means that binaries may not be run from them) | 17:59 |
| rmt_ | (it's a security feature) | 18:00 |
| sanjay6976 | where will be the executable location | 18:01 |
| sanjay6976 | k | 18:02 |
| rmt_ | /home/user - I usually create a $HOME/bin wherever I am, and put my own binaries and scripts in there. | 18:02 |
| coldboot | Has anyone got breakpoints in main() working in scratchbox2? | 18:02 |
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| sanjay6976 | one more question can i take the source and run make on my device? | 18:03 |
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| RST38h | yes. | 18:04 |
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| rmt_ | sanjay6976, No.. you can install the necessary build tools on it, but it's very very slow.. it's really not worth it | 18:04 |
| RST38h | that is still yes though | 18:04 |
| rmt_ | It's yes after he installs the dependencies, no beforehand. | 18:04 |
| rmt_ | I'm wondering whether the new ARM's would be good build devices.. | 18:04 |
| rmt_ | Considering getting a beagleboard. Same ops? | 18:05 |
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| sanjay6976 | can you tell what is the make tool that i can use because i need make for my application | 18:08 |
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| Myrtti | sanjay6976: say, what? | 18:09 |
| fiferboy | lbt: Got your changes. Compiling now | 18:10 |
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| sanjay6976 | if i give "make" it says command not found | 18:10 |
| lbt | ah, your application uses make and when you copy it to the device, there is no make | 18:11 |
| lbt | ? | 18:11 |
| sanjay6976 | lbt:yes | 18:11 |
| lbt | you need to install it... | 18:11 |
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| lbt | as root try: apt-get install make | 18:11 |
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| * lbt is in Mer where that will work... not sure about Diablo | 18:12 | |
| sanjay6976 | thanks | 18:12 |
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| sanjay6976 | run-standalone.sh ./myapp is giving me "illegal instruction" | 18:19 |
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| matzenh | sanjay6976: chmod +x myapp | 18:22 |
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| sanjay6976 | still its giving me "illegal instruction" | 18:23 |
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| sanjay6976 | i have copied the executable to /home/user | 18:24 |
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| mikkov_ | is compiled for ARMEL? | 18:24 |
| mikkov_ | is it ... | 18:24 |
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| sanjay6976 | yes | 18:24 |
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| X-Fade | sanjay6976: in scratchbox: file myapp | 18:25 |
| X-Fade | Just to be sure it is not i386. | 18:25 |
| sanjay6976 | yeah its complied on armel | 18:26 |
| X-Fade | sanjay6976: Does file tell you that? | 18:27 |
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| sanjay6976 | x-Fade:sorry but didn't get you | 18:29 |
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| sanjay6976 | file tells me that means | 18:30 |
| X-Fade | sanjay6976: Did 'file' confirm that it actually is an armel binary? | 18:30 |
| sanjay6976 | i have compiled it in armel | 18:30 |
| lbt | sanjay6976: there is a command called "file" ... it tells you information about a file. | 18:30 |
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| X-Fade | sanjay6976: I'm pretty sure that you compiled it in armel, but it actually didn't do that ;) | 18:31 |
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| X-Fade | sanjay6976: file is a utility that can examine any file and tell what it is. | 18:32 |
| lbt | sanjay6976: In scratchbox you must type: file myapp | 18:32 |
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| sanjay6976 | its giving me ELF 32-bit LSB executable, ARM, version 1 (SYSV), for GNU/Linux 2.6.14, dynamically linked (uses shared libs), not stripped | 18:34 |
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| X-Fade | sanjay6976: That should be ok. | 18:35 |
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| X-Fade | sanjay6976: Does your app use any special libs? | 18:36 |
| coldboot | Has anyone got breakpoints in main() working in scratchbox2? | 18:37 |
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| crashanddie | coldboot, nope | 18:37 |
| sanjay6976 | x-Fade:yeah its a qt application and it uses qt libs | 18:37 |
| coldboot | Does anyone here actually use scratchbox 2? | 18:37 |
| crashanddie | coldboot, in opposition to? | 18:37 |
| coldboot | Scratchbox 1 | 18:38 |
| crashanddie | coldboot, why would you use sb1? | 18:38 |
| lbt | sanjay6976: and are they installed on the device? | 18:38 |
| coldboot | crashanddie: I'm sure you can think of a few answers on your own. | 18:38 |
| sanjay6976 | yes | 18:38 |
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| lbt | does qtdemo or any other Qt app work? | 18:39 |
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| sanjay6976 | will check that | 18:39 |
| crashanddie | coldboot, I don't like scratchbox, rather go with sb2 | 18:40 |
| fiferboy | lbt: The latest changes for Fremantle i386 in Scratchbox give me a segfault on starting a Qt program | 18:40 |
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| crashanddie | coldboot, what issues do you get in sb2 when debugging? | 18:41 |
| sanjay6976 | fiferboy:yes that's true the qmake-qt4 command itself is giviging me segmentation fault core dumped | 18:42 |
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| lbt | fiferboy: my Mer ones are fine but they're Diablo based | 18:44 |
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| fiferboy | lbt: I'm going to try a compile for Diablo ARMEL and see what is what | 18:44 |
| lbt | yeah, I'm focused on Mer ATM ... can't keep track of too many OSes | 18:45 |
| crashanddie | sanjay6976, just trace the coredump | 18:45 |
| lbt | I intend to use the fremantle Qt on mer post CPH | 18:45 |
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| oDuda | hello all ! | 18:47 |
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| sanjay6976 | crashanddie:how to trace that if you can tell a bit i don't know particular file that i need to see i mean log file or something | 18:47 |
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| coldboot | crashanddie: It doesn't set breakpoints in main at all. | 18:47 |
| coldboot | I just posted to scratchbox-users about it this morning. | 18:47 |
| coldboot | http://www.mail-archive.com/scratchbox-users@lists.scratchbox.org/msg01124.html | 18:48 |
| oDuda | can i browse all the files and folders in maemo using file manager ? | 18:48 |
| fiferboy | lbt: CPH? | 18:48 |
| X-Fade | CPH baby! | 18:48 |
| lbt | Yeah... | 18:49 |
| crashanddie | sanjay6976, http://bloggerdigest.blogspot.com/2006/09/gnu-gdb-core-dump-debugging.html | 18:49 |
| X-Fade | fiferboy: Copenhagen meeting | 18:49 |
| fiferboy | X-Fade: Thanks. | 18:49 |
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| crashanddie | coldboot, hmm, interesting | 18:51 |
| crashanddie | coldboot, sb2-prepare; b main; r | 18:51 |
| sanjay6976 | X-Fade: thanks i will go through it and try] | 18:51 |
| crashanddie | coldboot, or b main; sb2-prepare; r | 18:51 |
| sanjay6976 | X-Fade:thanks :) | 18:52 |
| crashanddie | X-Fade, you're stealing my karma :( | 18:52 |
| oDuda | can i browse all the files and folders in maemo using file manager ? | 18:52 |
| coldboot | crashanddie: I tried both individually, not in sequence. The message says to use sb2-prepare exclusively to set the breakpoint, it doesn't say to do `br main` afterwards. | 18:53 |
| coldboot | crashanddie: I'll try both ways, though. | 18:53 |
| X-Fade | crashanddie: Huh? | 18:53 |
| sanjay6976 | oDuda:yes u can on device | 18:53 |
| crashanddie | coldboot, actually, it doesn't say that | 18:53 |
| coldboot | crashanddie: It implies that sb2-prepare will set the breakpoint. | 18:53 |
| crashanddie | coldboot, true, badly worded, though, I don't know if what I said is going to work | 18:54 |
| coldboot | crashanddie: Regardless, `sb2-prepare; br main` and `br main; sb2-prepare` do nothing different. | 18:54 |
| oDuda | sanjay6976 thank you... os2008 and n800 only let me browse the main folders, like documents, videos, etc ... | 18:54 |
| sanjay6976 | u need to install package usb-otg | 18:55 |
| coldboot | crashanddie: any ideas? | 18:56 |
| coldboot | crashanddie: Does it work on your system? | 18:56 |
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| crashanddie | coldboot, did you compile with -g? And have you tried putting bps through filename:line ? | 18:56 |
| coldboot | crashanddie: What's bps? | 18:57 |
| crashanddie | coldboot, don't have sb installed at the moment, can't test | 18:57 |
| crashanddie | coldboot, breakpoints | 18:57 |
| crashanddie | coldboot, b main.c:60 | 18:57 |
| coldboot | crashanddie: Yeah I know, I'll try. | 18:57 |
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| crashanddie | coldboot, can you put breakpoints outside the main function? I remember doing some extensive debugging using sb2 so I'm quite surprised to hear this. Would you have the makefile? | 18:58 |
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| coldboot | crashanddie: I've only got a main() function, the Makefile is just a default Makefile made by qmake. I just checked and it wasn't build with debug symbols. | 18:59 |
| oDuda | sanjay6976 thank you ! usb-otg in pc ? but maemo's file manager cannot be used for browse other folders ? | 19:00 |
| _zee | quick question on nokia n810 (there's a lot of confusing info online) I realize there is an expansion available for using regular sized sd, but is 8gb of micro (in a mini adapter)the max i can use? | 19:01 |
| coldboot | crashanddie: Even when compiled with -g, I can't sb2-prepare or set breakpoints by line number. | 19:01 |
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| oDuda | _zee to me, maemo only used 112 MBytes of virtual memory... | 19:02 |
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| crashanddie | oDuda, WHOOOOOOSH | 19:02 |
| crashanddie | _zee, you can't use regular sized SD on the n810, only mini-SD or smaller (micro-SD) | 19:03 |
| oDuda | _zee is that you was asking for ? | 19:03 |
| sanjay6976 | ioDuda:f u install an usb icon comes up on the top bar of te desktop if u click on that u could get a USB UTG host mode | 19:03 |
| _zee | i'd like to put... uh many things [read: music/movies] on it | 19:03 |
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| _zee | it says 8GB Max | 19:04 |
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| crashanddie | _zee, the n810 supports SDHC, so (using the proper adapter) you can put a microSD on it, with 16Gigs | 19:04 |
| coldboot | crashanddie: Can't set a breakpoint in any other arbitrary function that's not main(). | 19:04 |
| crashanddie | _zee, and even 32gb when that comes out | 19:04 |
| _zee | awesome. | 19:04 |
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| oDuda | _zee sorry, i was flying far ! hehe | 19:04 |
| _zee | but putting more than 8 of sdhc doesn't negatively affect battery life/functionality at all? | 19:04 |
| _zee | haha | 19:04 |
| crashanddie | _zee, nope | 19:04 |
| _zee | great | 19:05 |
| crashanddie | _zee, well, it will affect the battery | 19:05 |
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| crashanddie | _zee, in the way that you'll use it more because less bored | 19:05 |
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| _zee | side question, (i'm somewhat of a linux newb), what is the accelerated education path from beginning linux/shell scripting to contributing to maemo? | 19:06 |
| oDuda | sanjay6976 - maemo never browses your own files at any folders ? | 19:07 |
| crashanddie | coldboot, hang on, are you in armel target? | 19:08 |
| mmorais | i can't flash my N800, "To flash the bootloader, you have to supply the X-Loader image" | 19:08 |
| mmorais | how i solve this? | 19:08 |
| coldboot | crashanddie: No, i386 | 19:09 |
| crashanddie | _zee, there's a bunch of different areas in which Maemo can be helped, coding is only one of them, and -- no offence -- we probably already have more than enough coders | 19:09 |
| Stskeeps | we do | 19:09 |
| Stskeeps | ? | 19:09 |
| Stskeeps | :P | 19:09 |
| _zee | haha | 19:09 |
| sanjay6976 | oDuda:do you mean on internalmemory card? | 19:09 |
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| coldboot | _zee: Many years of hard work, zee, many years. | 19:10 |
| amr | whats mmc1 and mmc2 ? | 19:10 |
| coldboot | _zee: To contribute to code, that is. | 19:10 |
| coldboot | amr: Multi-media card 1 and 2. | 19:10 |
| amr | well i got that :p | 19:10 |
| coldboot | amr: There are two sdcards stuck in the nokia n810 | 19:11 |
| amr | theres only one card on the n810! | 19:11 |
| amr | oh are there?! | 19:11 |
| coldboot | amr: Yeah there's two. | 19:11 |
| crashanddie | coldboot, I s'pose you read this? http://maemo-sdk.garage.maemo.org/sdk-plus-debugging-guide.html | 19:11 |
| amr | ones at the bottom, is the other internal or something? | 19:11 |
| crashanddie | amr, one is not-removable | 19:11 |
| amr | ah | 19:11 |
| coldboot | amr: One is brilliantly sized at 256mb, not annoying at all. | 19:11 |
| crashanddie | coldboot, no it's not | 19:11 |
| amr | lol | 19:11 |
| crashanddie | coldboot, one is sized at 2GB, the other one is empty | 19:12 |
| crashanddie | you're referring to the internal root partition | 19:12 |
| coldboot | Yeah | 19:12 |
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| coldboot | It fills up eventually. | 19:12 |
| amr | mmc2 is apparently 1.9GB and mmc1 is apparently 971.1MB | 19:13 |
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| oDuda | sanjay6976: oDuda:do you mean on internalmemory card? -->> yes ! on main internal memory too... | 19:13 |
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| crashanddie | amr, mmc1 is the card you pushed in your n810 | 19:14 |
| coldboot | crashanddie: Thanks, I'll read the debugging guide. | 19:14 |
| crashanddie | amr, so that would be correct if you put a 1GB card in there | 19:14 |
| amr | yep | 19:14 |
| oDuda | sanjay6976 all the folders that maemo have ! | 19:14 |
| amr | makes sense | 19:14 |
| amr | ty | 19:14 |
| sanjay6976 | oDuda:yeah i am able to browse that | 19:14 |
| crashanddie | coldboot, ywnp | 19:14 |
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| crashanddie | oDuda, how about you explain your issue from the start? | 19:15 |
| crashanddie | oDuda, there's a lot of noise in this channel, sum up your issue in one or two lines | 19:15 |
| qwerty12 | oDuda, ln -s / /home/user/MyDocs/all_my_shit | 19:15 |
| crashanddie | I guess that answer summed it up nicely | 19:16 |
| crashanddie | hi qwerty12 o/ | 19:16 |
| qwerty12 | hey crashanddie :) | 19:16 |
| crashanddie | how you doin' neighbour? | 19:16 |
| qwerty12 | I'm good thanks, how about you? | 19:16 |
| sanjay6976 | [sbox-DIABLO_ARMEL: ~] > qmake-qt4 Segmentation fault (core dumped) | 19:16 |
| amr | http://maemo.org/downloads/product/OS2008/geany/ | 19:16 |
| amr | heh, that looks ridiculous | 19:16 |
| opengeekv21 | hi i'm having some problems installing the maemo 5 sdk beta on ubuntu 64 bits someone could help me? | 19:16 |
| sanjay6976 | can anybody help with this i am really struggling with this | 19:17 |
| crashanddie | qwerty12, yeah, i'm good, been working a bit too much lately, taking off some time by helping out on #maemo :) | 19:17 |
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| crashanddie | sanjay6976, did you read up on using the core-dump to see what was going on? | 19:17 |
| qwerty12 | crashanddie: hehe, I've got me exams to go back to at the end of the week :) | 19:17 |
| crashanddie | qwerty12, nice, which ones? | 19:17 |
| oDuda | thank you all ! i just wanna browse all maemo folders on n800 using file manager of maemo too... can i ? | 19:18 |
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| qwerty12 | crashanddie: English Language, Maths (Calculator paper) & History | 19:18 |
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| crashanddie | oDuda, type the command qwerty12 gave you in a console | 19:18 |
| oDuda | qwerty12 | 19:19 |
| oDuda | how ? | 19:19 |
| crashanddie | oDuda, you're the kinda guy who pisses off helpers | 19:19 |
| crashanddie | oDuda, ln -s / /home/user/MyDocs/all_my_shit | 19:19 |
| qwerty12 | Oh, I'm not pissed off, it's the only name that came to my head :P | 19:19 |
| opengeekv21 | i have scratchbox installed but i have problems while running maemo-sdk-install_5.0beta.sh script | 19:19 |
| oDuda | sorry sorry i will search by myself ! sorry... | 19:20 |
| crashanddie | qwerty12, wasn't referring to that, just that the guy doesn't even look up | 19:20 |
| qwerty12 | Ah, I see :) | 19:20 |
| crashanddie | oDuda, main menu, utilities, click down up to x-terminal | 19:20 |
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| crashanddie | [ Waiting for a mission | Send me another one ] | 19:21 |
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| oDuda | i know how to gain root etc i wanna browse... to do this using "ln -s / /home/user/MyDocs/all_my_shit" will let me browse ? | 19:22 |
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| opengeekv21 | what abut installong maemo 5 beta sdk in ubuntu 64 bits? | 19:22 |
| crashanddie | opengeekv21, quite hard to help you out without knowing what the problems are | 19:22 |
| coldboot | crashanddie: The guide doesn't say how to debug with the i386 target. | 19:22 |
| opengeekv21 | crasganddie: i see, i make a copy paste od the error on my terminal | 19:22 |
| crashanddie | opengeekv21, NO | 19:23 |
| crashanddie | opengeekv21, don't post it here | 19:23 |
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| crashanddie | oDuda, yup, it will create a symbolic link in your MyDocs directory (which is displayed in the file browser) to the root of your filesystem | 19:23 |
| opengeekv21 | only 11 lines | 19:23 |
| qwerty12 | ~pastebin | 19:23 |
| crashanddie | opengeekv21, do not post it here | 19:23 |
| infobot | [~pastebin] A "pastebin" is a web-based service where you can paste anything over 3 lines without flooding the channel. Here are links to a few : http://www.pastebin.com , http://pastebin.ca , http://channels.debian.net/paste , http://paste.lisp.org , http://www.rafb.net/paste | 19:23 |
| opengeekv21 | ok | 19:23 |
| crashanddie | coldboot, oh | 19:24 |
| opengeekv21 | crashanddie: it is in pastebin | 19:24 |
| crashanddie | hang on, I'll just guess the link... | 19:25 |
| qwerty12 | http://pastebin.com/m4088ff83 | 19:25 |
| * crashanddie facepalms | 19:25 | |
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| qwerty12 | If you don't have scratchbox running (like that error message suggests), VDSO may be your problem | 19:26 |
| opengeekv21 | opengeekv21: VDSO is down | 19:26 |
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| opengeekv21 | opengeekv21: i've edited a configuration file to deactivate it | 19:26 |
| opengeekv21 | opengeek: *disable it | 19:27 |
| crashanddie | Not the sharpest tool in the shed I take it? Talking to yourself now? | 19:27 |
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| opengeekv21 | crashanddie: i'm a noob i know it | 19:27 |
| amr | does the built in mail client only obey the 'check every 15 mins' rule when it's connected to a network? | 19:28 |
| crashanddie | amr, you can configure it | 19:28 |
| amr | i don't want it trying to connect every 15 mins when it should be offline :p | 19:28 |
| amr | oh? | 19:28 |
| crashanddie | amr, but yeah, by default it only connects when online | 19:28 |
| oDuda | crashanddie: sorry by boring you... im 46 yo and i my job was to support users by 12 years... i hate to bore anybody.. i know what is that... I THANK YOU ! | 19:28 |
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| qwerty12 | opengeekv21: You can try running "sb-menu" and using the killall option to send signal 9 and try running the script again | 19:28 |
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| opengeekv21 | querty12: there is some way to know if i am running a scratchbox session and to kill it? | 19:29 |
| crashanddie | oDuda, you don't bore anyone, don't worry :) | 19:29 |
| amr | sorted, thanks crashanddie | 19:29 |
| crashanddie | oDuda, I just turned exactly half your age :D Just turned 23 yesterday :) | 19:29 |
| amr | happy birthday for yesters | 19:29 |
| qwerty12 | crashanddie: Oh, happy belated birthday :) | 19:29 |
| Stskeeps | scary, i made dsme build under mer | 19:30 |
| crashanddie | thanks :) | 19:30 |
| oDuda | crashanddie Happy Birthday to you ! | 19:30 |
| qwerty12 | opengeekv21: dunno, ps -aux | grep qemu ? | 19:30 |
| * Stskeeps is terrified. | 19:30 | |
| opengeekv21 | carshanddie: happy birthday | 19:30 |
| rmt_ | pview installable for diablo from: deb http://corporatism.org/debs/maemo/diablo/ / | 19:30 |
| opengeekv21 | qwerty12: when i run the first command you said me it gives mi te inconsistencys that in tha pastebin | 19:31 |
| oDuda | crashanddie leons are not so supported of patience | 19:31 |
| rmt_ | Runs with only the libgee0 library as extra now.. quite fast.. purpose built. :) | 19:31 |
| crashanddie | opengeekv21, what did you do exactly to deactivate VDSO? echo 0 > /proc/sys/vm/vdso_enabled as root? | 19:32 |
| ShadowJK | funny, I ordered a mugen battery for my n800.. just finished testing.. It's labeled "1800mAh", but the middke-pin resistor is signaling 1200mAh.. Full charge, rundown until shutdown, analyze logging by ftd, and I arrive at 1152 mAh, which is within error margin for what the battery itself claims :) | 19:32 |
| ShadowJK | 600 "marketing" mAh :) | 19:32 |
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| crashanddie | anyone ever tried the n810 extended battery? | 19:33 |
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| qwerty12 | rmt_: This the viewer that needs a newer GTK? :) | 19:33 |
| opengeekv21 | crashanddie: no i edited /boot/grub/menu.lst with a kopt | 19:33 |
| oDuda | ohhhhh may, 26 is cancer ? | 19:33 |
| crashanddie | opengeekv21, try sudo echo 0 > /proc/sys/vm/vdso_enabled | 19:34 |
| opengeekv21 | ok | 19:34 |
| ShadowJK | crashanddie: the one with the door? I'm tempted to try both | 19:34 |
| opengeekv21 | crashanddie: no such file or directory | 19:34 |
| crashanddie | ShadowJK, eh? | 19:34 |
| crashanddie | opengeekv21, what OS are you running? | 19:34 |
| opengeekv21 | crashanddie: Ubuntu Jaunty 64 bits | 19:35 |
| rmt_ | qwerty12, needed | 19:35 |
| rmt_ | qwerty12, Got rid of the dependencies. | 19:35 |
| ShadowJK | there's one same physical size as standard n810 battery, and one that's thicker and comes with replacement door/cover | 19:35 |
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| rmt_ | qwerty12, Not the comix replacement, though.. that one does need a newer gtk. :-( | 19:35 |
| qwerty12 | rmt_: Awesome, you should think about uploading it to Extras :) | 19:35 |
| rmt_ | qwerty12, Or some custom C. | 19:35 |
| crashanddie | opengeekv21, can you paste the exact line you typed in the console? | 19:35 |
| rmt_ | qwerty12, When I've got it building from source, and the latest vala compiled in scratchbox.. having issues with it atm. | 19:36 |
| qwerty12 | opengeekv21: try the module found here: http://www.ipi.fi/~pablo/ (haven't used it myself) | 19:36 |
| rmt_ | I just deb'd up the binary | 19:36 |
| qwerty12 | Ah | 19:36 |
| crashanddie | ShadowJK, ah, well, I'm tempted to go with the fat one | 19:37 |
| opengeekv21 | crashanddie: echo 0 > /proc/sys/vm/vdso_enabled | 19:37 |
| qwerty12 | rmt_: IIRC, Jaffa maintains vala in Extras. If you need a newer version in there, prod him :) | 19:37 |
| opengeekv21 | qwerty12: what is this? | 19:37 |
| crashanddie | opengeekv21, weird, don't know where vdso could've gone | 19:37 |
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| qwerty12 | opengeekv21: I thought the description was pretty explanatory? | 19:38 |
| opengeekv21 | qwerty12: oh sorry | 19:38 |
| ShadowJK | if the slim n810 is of similar quality as the slim n800 it's not worth it unless you've tortured your existing batery to near-death.. my n800 was second hand and the previous owner had managed to kill the battery to half its original capacity :) | 19:38 |
| rmt_ | Jaffa, *prod* | 19:38 |
| crashanddie | opengeekv21, it's your OS | 19:38 |
| rmt_ | Jaffa, 0.7.2 or 0.7.3 would be good.. I want #if MAEMO :) | 19:38 |
| crashanddie | opengeekv21, scratchbox is broken on 64bit systems since a particular kernel update | 19:38 |
| crashanddie | opengeekv21 & qwerty12: http://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=492702 | 19:39 |
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| qwerty12 | Ah, thanks for the link. 32-bit here, so I'm safe :) | 19:39 |
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| crashanddie | just run debian sarge and you'll be fine :P | 19:40 |
| ShadowJK | and it's not that they sent me an old battery either. It's fresh. To use an analogy, it runs like on steroids until it runs out, and drops incredibly fast at the end. My old battery was old and tired, and complained with low battery warnings ages before tablet shutdown | 19:40 |
| crashanddie | ShadowJK, same here | 19:41 |
| opengeekv21 | crashanddie & qwerty12: thanks | 19:41 |
| crashanddie | ShadowJK, I have a battery that will go for about 2 days full blast and then suddenly just crap out | 19:41 |
| crashanddie | and really like using the interface, battery icon is full, and suddenly screen goes black, completely shut down | 19:42 |
| opengeekv21 | opengeekv21: ill try it on a virtualbox debian/ubuntu 32 bits | 19:42 |
| crashanddie | opengeekv21, wrong nickname again ;) | 19:42 |
| opengeekv21 | qwerty12 & crashanddie: yes, talking to me again | 19:42 |
| crashanddie | :) | 19:42 |
| ShadowJK | will be unteresting to see how the battery metering behaves after a full recharge | 19:42 |
| opengeekv21 | opengeekv12: bye | 19:43 |
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| mgedmin | incidentally, is there a way to change the label of an sd card without reformatting it? | 19:45 |
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| Stskeeps | for the danish weekend people missing info on hotel: sorry for the delay in sending that email out to all sponsored participants. That email should go out in a few hours. | 19:47 |
| Stskeeps | (lcuk, sampppa etc) | 19:47 |
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| timeless_mbp | Stskeeps: which list did you send to? | 19:48 |
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| * timeless_mbp is flying tomorrow morning and will lose access to mailboxes RSN | 19:49 | |
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| Stskeeps | timeless_mbp: i asked the mozilla guy about it since he said on 25th info would come out shortly | 19:49 |
| timeless_mbp | oh, i got some info then | 19:49 |
| Stskeeps | so i was quoting from his mail | 19:49 |
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| Stskeeps | you'll be staying at cabinn too? | 19:50 |
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| crashanddie | mgedmin, tune2fs -L | 19:57 |
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| mgedmin | crashanddie: on a VFAT partition? really? | 19:58 |
| mgedmin | because I don't believe you | 19:58 |
| crashanddie | mgedmin, hmm, you didn't specify a VFAT partition :-* | 19:58 |
| mgedmin | that happens to be the default for all SD cards you buy | 19:58 |
| qwerty12 | mgedmin: dostools comes with mlabel | 19:59 |
| qwerty12 | mgedmin: dostools comes with mlabel | 19:59 |
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| crashanddie | mgedmin, fat partitions also happen to be bad, by default :P | 19:59 |
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| mgedmin | do you suggest thin partitions instead? :) | 20:01 |
| crashanddie | I certainly do | 20:01 |
| crashanddie | though, I think anorexic partitions are a bit too extreme, like reiser, that's murder | 20:01 |
| Stskeeps | what happened to reiser anyway? death sentence or was it canada? :P | 20:03 |
| mgedmin | reiser was impressive: when I switched from ext2 (or was it 3?) to reiserfs, it freed up extra 100 megs on my 700 mb partition | 20:03 |
| mgedmin | it was also likely to corrupt essential system files (/etc/modutils.conf) making the system fail to boot after a crash, which is why I stopped using it | 20:04 |
| thux | how to do mkfs.jffs2? what program needed | 20:04 |
| qwerty12 | mtd-tools/utils | 20:05 |
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| thux | thanks | 20:05 |
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| coldboot | Why would my arm target be compiling extremely slow in scratchbox 2? | 20:07 |
| Stskeeps | it may be fully emulated? | 20:08 |
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| coldboot | Stskeeps: How do you fix that? | 20:08 |
| Stskeeps | well did you point it to a toolchain and not sb2 -e'ing? :P | 20:09 |
| coldboot | You mean run `maemo-sdk set toolchain`? | 20:10 |
| Stskeeps | .. okay, admittedly i never used sdk+ | 20:10 |
| Stskeeps | just sb2 raw | 20:10 |
| Meizirkki | hmm, BSD license seems to be a lot shorter and easier to understand that GPL | 20:10 |
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| coldboot | Stskeeps: What does it mean to use sb2 raw and not sdk+? | 20:11 |
| Meizirkki | s/that/than/ | 20:11 |
| infobot | Meizirkki meant: hmm, BSD license seems to be a lot shorter and easier to understand than GPL | 20:11 |
| coldboot | haha, hilarious | 20:11 |
| coldboot | The fact that someone wrote that bot is so funny. | 20:11 |
| Stskeeps | Meizirkki: yeah, now which is the more free one.. :) | 20:12 |
| coldboot | Stskeeps: I was running scons from within the runtime environment, entered with `maemo-sdk enter runtime`. | 20:12 |
| coldboot | BSD License is really just "Take the code and do whatever you want, just include the license and original author". | 20:12 |
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| qwerty12 | Everyone knows that: http://sam.zoy.org/wtfpl/ is the best license | 20:13 |
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| Makavel | Can I run python apps on meomo? | 20:16 |
| coldboot | Stskeeps: The reason I've been building from within the runtime environment is because python can't be found when I do "sb2 scons". | 20:16 |
| coldboot | Stskeeps: And I've definitely installed python, and scons for maemo... | 20:16 |
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| mgedmin | Makavel: yes, assuming you meant "maemo" | 20:17 |
| Makavel | mgedmin: Yeah.... thanks. It was a typo | 20:17 |
| Makavel | Do i have to install a python runtime or what? | 20:18 |
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| * Stskeeps still ponders if he'll get lynched in cph for some of his views on maemo | 20:18 | |
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| coldboot | Stskeeps: What's cph? | 20:19 |
| coldboot | Stskeeps: What are your views on maemo? | 20:19 |
| Stskeeps | coldboot: 'Maemo is harmed by it's history and still suffers from having had to be fit in a sardine can like hardware previously, taking care not to waste any memory, cpu or storage space. ', etc | 20:20 |
| Myrtti | coldboot: copenhagen | 20:20 |
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| coldboot | ah | 20:20 |
| mgedmin | Makavel: probably | 20:21 |
| Stskeeps | we have a danish developer weekend this week | 20:21 |
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| Stskeeps | i'll probably upset some by saying developing for maemo is a headache, but try to show why and how it can be made better :P | 20:22 |
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| andrewfblack | Hello | 20:23 |
| Stskeeps | lo andrewfblack | 20:24 |
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| opengeekv21 | Stskeeps: making proper precompilated packages | 20:25 |
| opengeekv21 | Stskeeps: Only install a mameo SDK is a headache itself | 20:25 |
| * andrewfblack wonders if he should get a mifi 2200 from Verison | 20:26 | |
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| coldboot | Why would `sb2 python` not find python? | 20:50 |
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| coldboot | When I `maemo-sdk enter runtime`, I can run python, make, scons, etc. When I'm outside and run `sb2 python`, `sb2 scons`, neither work, but `sb2 make` works fine. Where does sb2 load its commands from? | 20:52 |
| GenKreton__ | I am trying to follow Kortsi's instructions on http://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?t=15520 to safely get my data off my continually rebooting n810, but I don't own an sd card, so I was wondering if someone could tell me what /dev/ the internal 2gb card is so I can mount it, delete off the mp3's, and backup my data to it so I can flash? | 20:53 |
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| qwerty12_N800 | GenKreton__: that script looks like it'll backup to the internal 2gb already | 20:56 |
| qwerty12_N800 | (looking at #4) | 20:56 |
| GenKreton__ | qwerty12_N800: can you help me so I can just backup the 128 mb ram to the 2gb internal? | 20:57 |
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| GenKreton__ | I have one shot to get this right, since I can't see if I got it without flashing it and overwriting my 128 mb :) | 20:58 |
| * andrewfblack wonders why Reggie wont update minimalist 2.0 again for me | 20:58 | |
| GenKreton__ | mmcblk0p1 is the 128 mb flash I assume and mtdblock4 | 20:59 |
| Stskeeps | andrewfblack: busy man maybe.. doesn't he run several forums? | 20:59 |
| GenKreton__ | is the external card | 20:59 |
| GenKreton__ | so what device is the internal 2gb? | 20:59 |
| andrewfblack | Stskeeps: yeah but I figured he would drop me a line and say it would take a while sometimes i think my pms get lost in his message box lol | 21:00 |
| coldboot | Does anyone know where the command `sb2` loads programs from? I have python installed in my armel rootstrap, and I can run python from within the runtime environment, but `sb2 python` doesn't work, command not found. | 21:00 |
| qwerty12_N800 | GenKreton__:mtdblock4 is the flash, mmcblk0p1 should be the internal 2gb | 21:00 |
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| GenKreton__ | qwerty12_N800: so what is the dev for the internal 128 mb? | 21:00 |
| qwerty12_N800 | mtdblock4 :) | 21:01 |
| GenKreton__ | oh weird | 21:01 |
| coldboot | Stskeeps: Do you know how to get `sb2 python` to run? | 21:01 |
| Stskeeps | coldboot: sorry no | 21:01 |
| coldboot | Stskeeps: Do you know who uses scratchbox 2 here? | 21:01 |
| Stskeeps | i use OBS now and have left maemo sdk development in the dust :P | 21:01 |
| coldboot | Stskeeps: What's OBS? | 21:01 |
| Stskeeps | opensuse build service but it's not quite ready for maemo devel yet :P | 21:02 |
| coldboot | Stskeeps: Maemo really does suck, it's horrendously awkward to do most complicated things, and there's such a small community it's hard to get help with anything. | 21:02 |
| ShadowJK | ever tried s60? :) | 21:02 |
| Stskeeps | ah, i wouldn't say it's small | 21:02 |
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| lcuk | coldboot, question - why are you using scratchbox to do python dev? | 21:11 |
| lcuk | surely its more logical and simple to just do it on device | 21:11 |
| lcuk | but, if you wanna go the long way round :) | 21:12 |
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| oDuda | <-- the terrific is back | 21:12 |
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| lcuk | hey oDuda \o | 21:14 |
| lcuk | thanks for welcoming me back :D | 21:14 |
| coldboot | lcuk: I'm using scons as my build system, and I can't run it with sb2. | 21:14 |
| coldboot | lcuk: Either way, running `sb2 something_that's_obviously_in_the_path` should work regardless, I would say. | 21:14 |
| lcuk | i wouldnt know, i started developing natively and never looked back | 21:15 |
| lcuk | tho python is such a slow language for anything more than glue | 21:15 |
| crashanddie | and even then | 21:15 |
| zakkm | lcuk: i got my tablet back ;p what was that link for the liqbase "nightly"? | 21:15 |
| coldboot | lcuk: What would you rather have? | 21:15 |
| lcuk | hey seb \o im used to vb lol | 21:15 |
| crashanddie | Python's POO model is pretty dodgy frankly | 21:16 |
| zakkm | i want to check it out | 21:16 |
| lcuk | so its rapid in comparison | 21:16 |
| crashanddie | lcuk, hang on, I got a good video for you, but you've probably already seen it | 21:16 |
| coldboot | lcuk: Personally I can't stand using regular expressions in C++, it's the opposite of elegant. | 21:16 |
| lcuk | :) heh zakkm ive never called it a nightly before but i suppose thats what i t is | 21:16 |
| crashanddie | lcuk, http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hkDD03yeLnU | 21:16 |
| torkiano | hello all, any port documentation for maemo 5? | 21:16 |
| lcuk | me neither | 21:16 |
| zakkm | thats why i put in quotations :P | 21:16 |
| lcuk | so i dont use em | 21:16 |
| lcuk | http://talk.maemo.org/showpost.php?p=285896&postcount=260 | 21:17 |
| zakkm | what do you call it? | 21:17 |
| crashanddie | coldboot, aren't regular expressions the opposite of elegant, no matter the language? | 21:17 |
| lcuk | its a bit old now, and you have to have voted and rated the yt video at least 5 times | 21:17 |
| zakkm | 0508? thats the newest? | 21:17 |
| lcuk | to download it | 21:17 |
| zakkm | does that have the vid 5 stuff? | 21:17 |
| torkiano | All the doc I found is for maemo 4.1, is still valid? (http://maemo.org/maemo_release_documentation/maemo4.1.x/node13.html) | 21:17 |
| coldboot | crashanddie: It's the best way to do string parsing. | 21:17 |
| lcuk | zakkm, its enough surely to start :P | 21:17 |
| zakkm | heh kk | 21:18 |
| crashanddie | coldboot, you're evading the question :P | 21:18 |
| zakkm | thanks :P | 21:18 |
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| |dl9pf| | hi | 21:18 |
| lcuk | http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vt7qB37sLLo watch and rate that and ill open the download lol | 21:18 |
| coldboot | crashanddie: I looked up elegant, to be precise, and regular expressions are the most elegant way to do string parsing, I'd say. | 21:18 |
| coldboot | crashanddie: I meant C++'s representation of them were ugly. | 21:18 |
| zakkm | dang my tablet turned off at night | 21:18 |
| coldboot | crashanddie: regex's certainly beat tedious if conditions to do parsing. | 21:19 |
| lcuk | which part, its a string definition with the same syntax isnt it? | 21:19 |
| lcuk | lol zakkm | 21:19 |
| zakkm | lcuk: ahh i forgot to post, i voted though when you made that | 21:19 |
| lcuk | heh | 21:19 |
| crashanddie | coldboot, I never questioned regexes as such | 21:19 |
| * lcuk is joking of course, its not linked really | 21:19 | |
| crashanddie | coldboot, I just think they're buttugly | 21:19 |
| zakkm | im aware, its already on my tablet ;p | 21:19 |
| lcuk | regexs are brainfucks all to themselves | 21:19 |
| coldboot | crashanddie: I think they're beautiful. ;) | 21:19 |
| lcuk | damn zakkm, there goes my chance of gettin into the top20 | 21:20 |
| lcuk | :P | 21:20 |
| Stskeeps | lcuk: when you know the theory they make sense | 21:20 |
| zakkm | im posting im posting ;p | 21:20 |
| zakkm | we should digg it :) | 21:20 |
| zakkm | "The iphone killer" | 21:20 |
| crashanddie | I think Summer Glau is beautiful, I guess that's the main difference between the two of us coldboot ;) | 21:20 |
| lcuk | Stskeeps, i know what the intent is, it just hurts my head | 21:20 |
| lcuk | :D:D:D:D:D | 21:20 |
| lcuk | zakkm, no you shouldnt | 21:20 |
| lcuk | the :D was about summer glau | 21:21 |
| zakkm | why? | 21:21 |
| zakkm | lol | 21:21 |
| zakkm | you guys watch tscc? | 21:21 |
| crashanddie | w00t, yet another story with 4 diggs, and yet another story titled "iphone killer" | 21:21 |
| crashanddie | the n8x0 will never be an iphone killer | 21:21 |
| lcuk | cos the iphone is amazing and for very good reason it sits as a standard | 21:21 |
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| lcuk | but having said that, i stopped finger painting years ago ;) | 21:22 |
| crashanddie | main reason: the n8x0 DOESN'T DO PHONE :D | 21:22 |
| crashanddie | lcuk, have you seen the new yorker fingerpainting? | 21:22 |
| lcuk | i do think it has sliqness on its side that iphone wont come near | 21:22 |
| zakkm | the ipod OS is very nice ;p | 21:22 |
| lcuk | yeah 1 painting | 21:22 |
| zakkm | how do they make it so fast? | 21:22 |
| crashanddie | zakkm, two things | 21:22 |
| lcuk | low res | 21:22 |
| crashanddie | zakkm, access to the graphics chip | 21:22 |
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| crashanddie | zakkm, one single language and set of libraries on the whole platform | 21:22 |
| lcuk | liqbase gets about 100fps when in same res as iphone | 21:23 |
| lcuk | i think | 21:23 |
| amr | :o | 21:23 |
| lcuk | i havent changed res in months tho lol | 21:23 |
| amr | what is liqbase anyway? | 21:23 |
| lcuk | http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vt7qB37sLLo | 21:23 |
| amr | well ive installed it | 21:23 |
| lcuk | the new one wont get anywhere near that tho lol | 21:23 |
| amr | but i understand theres a libliqbase ? | 21:23 |
| crashanddie | amr, some say it's the antichrist | 21:23 |
| lcuk | its fixed to 800*480 | 21:23 |
| lcuk | there will be | 21:23 |
| zakkm | :D | 21:23 |
| crashanddie | will be? | 21:24 |
| * zakkm supports liqbase more, due to crashanddie statement ;p | 21:24 | |
| amr | everything works so smoothly | 21:24 |
| lcuk | amr, liqbase from extras is the original monolithic first version | 21:24 |
| amr | ah, i have that :p | 21:24 |
| crashanddie | hang on, what's this .so then? | 21:24 |
| zakkm | which rules, i started using drawing for like notes | 21:24 |
| lcuk | my proof of concept, but i use it lots still | 21:24 |
| zakkm | its really better than pen/paper | 21:24 |
| coldboot | crashanddie: So can you not use Python on the iPod? | 21:24 |
| lcuk | the one principle thing people moaned about was how it was all monolithic | 21:25 |
| zakkm | ipod uses C | 21:25 |
| crashanddie | coldboot, not AFAIK | 21:25 |
| zakkm | i was going to code apps for it, sell on app store :P | 21:25 |
| crashanddie | obj-C. There. Fixed that for you. | 21:25 |
| lcuk | libliqbase is the library version, and my playground makes use of the numerous modules now created | 21:25 |
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| amr | oh noice | 21:25 |
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| coldboot | zakkm: I've heard the market for fart applications is lucrative. | 21:25 |
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| crashanddie | lcuk, am I not entitled to an update of libliqbase? | 21:26 |
| zakkm | heh | 21:26 |
| lcuk | when shaped up properly, it will be possible to create a standalone liq* app, which can be integrated into the playground as well | 21:26 |
| zakkm | its good money potential, and im young without a job | 21:26 |
| lcuk | crashanddie, have you paied for yout telephone support? | 21:26 |
| lcuk | -e | 21:26 |
| crashanddie | telephone support? | 21:26 |
| oDuda | lcuk hello ! hows you lcuk ? | 21:26 |
| lcuk | yeah you can only have an update if you are on support | 21:26 |
| crashanddie | what the? | 21:26 |
| zakkm | ? | 21:27 |
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| lcuk | heh, why are you even asking - you are admin on liqbase.codebasehq.com :P | 21:27 |
| crashanddie | zakkm, unless you manage to sell 6000 apps at 10 bucks a year, I don't see the interest | 21:27 |
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| crashanddie | oh right, there's the repository there | 21:27 |
| zakkm | 10 bucks a year? | 21:27 |
| lcuk | you have full unfettered access to all the published source as you know :) | 21:27 |
| crashanddie | zakkm, to make an annual $60k? | 21:27 |
| crashanddie | lcuk, yeah but it's the unpublished I want, you know that | 21:27 |
| zakkm | you add to the store, which ppl buy? | 21:28 |
| zakkm | oh | 21:28 |
| zakkm | heh misread | 21:28 |
| lcuk | hahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahaahahahahahahahahahahaha no | 21:28 |
| zakkm | im not looking for 60k ? | 21:28 |
| crashanddie | don't make me break your other fingers :P | 21:28 |
| lcuk | .|.. lol | 21:28 |
| crashanddie | zakkm, then you're underselling yourself? | 21:28 |
| zakkm | im 18, i dont need 60k | 21:28 |
| crashanddie | sure you do, everybody needs $60k | 21:28 |
| zakkm | i just need a good $20-30 a week? | 21:28 |
| lcuk | its not even nearly ready and i broke it more and it looks weaker than i thought :'( | 21:28 |
| crashanddie | wtf? | 21:28 |
| Stskeeps | 30 a week? you don't visit enough prostitutes | 21:28 |
| crashanddie | zakkm, dude, you can't live off that mate | 21:29 |
| oDuda | (take care, birthday makes the people nervous wrek) | 21:29 |
| crashanddie | zakkm, unless you still live with mum and dad | 21:29 |
| lcuk | depends where he is | 21:29 |
| zakkm | i dont want to make ipod apps to live off of | 21:29 |
| coldboot | crashanddie: He probably lives with his parents. | 21:29 |
| zakkm | im 18 lol ;p | 21:29 |
| crashanddie | so? | 21:29 |
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| zakkm | everybody i know still lives at home | 21:29 |
| crashanddie | no you don't | 21:29 |
| zakkm | ppl are graduating next month and going to uni and such | 21:29 |
| coldboot | zakkm: What's your idea for an app? | 21:29 |
| zakkm | its an expensive city | 21:29 |
| ShadowJK | most people in the world probably consider 30 per week filthy rich :) | 21:30 |
| crashanddie | zakkm, reason more than $30 a week isn't enough to live | 21:30 |
| coldboot | They're probably not in this IRC channel. | 21:30 |
| zakkm | i dont exepct it to | 21:30 |
| crashanddie | ShadowJK, most people in the world don't dream of developping for the iPod | 21:30 |
| lcuk | its not enough to live on your budget, but on zakkm's it will be enough | 21:30 |
| zakkm | lol | 21:30 |
| ShadowJK | hm | 21:30 |
| lcuk | let the lad have fantasies about his earnings | 21:30 |
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| zakkm | i was going to make a few apps and let it like sit | 21:30 |
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| crashanddie | lcuk, don't make assumptions about my lifestyle :P | 21:30 |
| ShadowJK | minimalist theme has /huge/ font... is this predicting n900? ;p | 21:31 |
| lcuk | trust fund for your childrens childrens childrens childrens childrens childrens childrens childrens childrens childrens childrens children | 21:31 |
| coldboot | zakkm: How about you tell us your idea, and you'll get a varied set of opinions telling you whether people would buy it or not. | 21:31 |
| crashanddie | lcuk, just because we met in a fancy hotel doesn't mean anything :P | 21:31 |
| lcuk | heh | 21:31 |
| lcuk | my figner was naked over the weekend :O | 21:31 |
| zakkm | i dont really have any ideas ;p | 21:31 |
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| lcuk | and the scab came off ! its nearly healed | 21:31 |
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| crashanddie | zakkm, how good a coder are you? | 21:31 |
| coldboot | zakkm: That will not sell. | 21:31 |
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| zakkm | grade 11 computer science | 21:31 |
| crashanddie | hang on, lemme rephrase that | 21:31 |
| * lcuk has many ideas for stupid little apps | 21:31 | |
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| crashanddie | zakkm, that's not a skill | 21:32 |
| zakkm | lol | 21:32 |
| zakkm | i would learn | 21:32 |
| zakkm | ;p | 21:32 |
| lcuk | zakkm, get your ass into #liqbase and make silly little apps that do crappy things | 21:32 |
| crashanddie | zakkm, I know a director of IT and he's got a oyster's IQ | 21:32 |
| lcuk | theres a need for lots of them | 21:32 |
| lcuk | oysters are quite intelligent you know | 21:32 |
| zakkm | lcuk: im still at the opening liqbase stage ;p | 21:32 |
| crashanddie | zakkm, your age and your rank don't make you a good or bad coder, it's what you're capable of | 21:32 |
| lcuk | ive never seen one fail a maths test | 21:32 |
| lcuk | have you? | 21:32 |
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| crashanddie | lcuk, I've never seen one succeed | 21:33 |
| zakkm | opening terminal now ;p | 21:33 |
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| lcuk | zakkm, you have to slide out the keyboard as well | 21:33 |
| crashanddie | zakkm, got a portfolio? | 21:33 |
| zakkm | slide keyboard out, im not that lucky to have a n810 ;p | 21:33 |
| crashanddie | lcuk, I'll slide out your keyboard | 21:34 |
| flo_lap | re | 21:34 |
| * lcuk drops your phone in the beer | 21:34 | |
| lcuk | hey flo_lap \o | 21:34 |
| zakkm | lcuk: theres like static whenever i move ;p in liqbase ;p | 21:35 |
| zakkm | like scrolling | 21:35 |
| crashanddie | it's not a bug, it's a feature | 21:35 |
| crashanddie | it's because you're under 21 | 21:35 |
| crashanddie | you're not allowed to see the sexiness of liq* | 21:35 |
| zakkm | its whenever i touch on the screen it happens :( | 21:36 |
| lcuk | zakkm, close the program and restart it | 21:36 |
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| lcuk | its once only thing | 21:36 |
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| lcuk | (per reboot) | 21:36 |
| lcuk | im adding a splash.. | 21:36 |
| zakkm | ohh you got it to switch to performance :p | 21:36 |
| zakkm | in terminal it shows closing, switching from performance to ondemand | 21:37 |
| zakkm | lcuk, im sorry your face is getting attacked :( | 21:37 |
| Myrtti | hmmm | 21:38 |
| Myrtti | is there really xournal for maemo? | 21:38 |
| crashanddie | lcuk, I nearly got a client working on the n810 for finger btw :P | 21:39 |
| Myrtti | or did I read wrong in teh interhwebs? | 21:39 |
| crashanddie | lcuk, did I tell you the database for finger crashed? | 21:39 |
| lcuk | my finger | 21:39 |
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| crashanddie | lcuk, I hit 2^24 entries | 21:39 |
| qwerty12_N800 | crashanddie: you don't need anything to finger a tablet | 21:39 |
| lcuk | nice lol | 21:39 |
| zakkm | Myrtti: should be in extras (application manager) | 21:39 |
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| Myrtti | wohoo | 21:40 |
| Myrtti | I can use that to have my knitting patterns in! | 21:40 |
| crashanddie | lcuk, so now basically, I need to re-write the storage classes, to use the google store | 21:40 |
| Myrtti | brilliant | 21:40 |
| zakkm | lcuk: how do you use the liqcalendar ;p | 21:40 |
| zakkm | Myrtti: there are better alternatives, like the notes in liqbase | 21:41 |
| lcuk | you lick it | 21:41 |
| qwerty12_N800 | Myrtti: chinook extras - the diablo one was borken but the chinook one installs fine under diablo | 21:41 |
| zakkm | lcuk: IVE ALREADY TRIED THAT :( | 21:41 |
| fiferboy | lbt: Diablo ARMEL build segfaults in scratchbox, and doesn't start on the device | 21:41 |
| lcuk | you need /media/mmc1/_cal | 21:41 |
| crashanddie | lcuk, I've written a servlet for the google data store that automagically creates new classes, instantiates an object and stores it based on POST data | 21:41 |
| Myrtti | zakkm: does it open up pdf's so I can annotate them? | 21:41 |
| lcuk | Myrtti, ive seen you wanting stuff for knitting for a while | 21:41 |
| lcuk | remind me again when its not so hectic | 21:41 |
| crashanddie | lcuk, same way around, I can put in request, and it just fetches the object and pushes it through in XML | 21:41 |
| lcuk | i might have an idea | 21:41 |
| Stskeeps | Myrtti: yeah, it annotates pdfs | 21:41 |
| Myrtti | because I have to mark down which rounds I've already knitted | 21:41 |
| zakkm | lcuk: no it opens just i dont know how i got it to write something and why it didnt save | 21:42 |
| Myrtti | ok, might try that then | 21:42 |
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| lcuk | ahh click the header | 21:42 |
| lcuk | its not in finger friendly mode | 21:42 |
| crashanddie | lol | 21:42 |
| lcuk | where the date number is | 21:42 |
| zakkm | ohh | 21:42 |
| zakkm | nothing happens when i press save :( | 21:42 |
| crashanddie | that sounds like a stupid workaround | 21:42 |
| lcuk | my tablet screen is so duffed i cant scroll without it zooming in | 21:42 |
| crashanddie | "Lotus Notes crashes when Audio CD is in CD Player" -> Workaround: "Do not leave Audio CD in CD Player when using Lotus Notes" | 21:43 |
| lcuk | zakkm, have you got /media/mmc1/_cal | 21:43 |
| zakkm | let me check | 21:43 |
| lcuk | its explained in the readme ;) | 21:44 |
| qwerty12_N800 | crashanddie: It's all about Lime^H^H^HiTunes store now anyway ;) | 21:44 |
| crashanddie | lcuk, so yeah, the google datastore performs pretty well | 21:44 |
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| lcuk | this is why i would not create a .deb yet - its NOT user friendly :P | 21:44 |
| lcuk | :D excellent | 21:44 |
| zakkm | i just did the run as root | 21:44 |
| lcuk | teens - they never read things ;) | 21:44 |
| crashanddie | lcuk, I got about 30 gigs worth of emotions :P | 21:45 |
| lcuk | nice seb :) | 21:45 |
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| lcuk | now steer it away from blogs and more at gallery sites and you will get a whole different kind of emotions lol | 21:45 |
| crashanddie | lol | 21:45 |
| crashanddie | don't wanna do that :P | 21:45 |
| lcuk | why not | 21:46 |
| crashanddie | because I want to be able to take a snapshot of what people are thinking | 21:46 |
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| lcuk | heh | 21:46 |
| lcuk | and you will | 21:46 |
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| zakkm | lcuk: you have it automatically check for /media/mmc1 :P | 21:48 |
| zakkm | 13;44;20 filesave, cannot open '/media/mmc1/_cal/day20090511.sketch' for writing | 21:48 |
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| zakkm | no wonder it didnt work ;p i sftp'd it to /home | 21:48 |
| lcuk | zakkm, its a playtest | 21:49 |
| lcuk | in the proper release it will be in proper place | 21:49 |
| Myrtti | lcuk: for years. | 21:49 |
| lcuk | but i keep stuff on mmc cos i can just switch cards and take my stuff to a new machine easily | 21:49 |
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| Myrtti | lcuk: my offer to knit a Tux scarf or mittens or whatever still stands | 21:49 |
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| lcuk | Myrtti, plushy version of the mascot | 21:50 |
| lcuk | slg came up with | 21:50 |
| zakkm | lcuk: i boot from SD, and i lost my other sd card :(, and realized its quicker adding stuff through sftp then plugging in card and such | 21:50 |
| lcuk | the centre one i highlight in my video | 21:50 |
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| Jaffa | rmt_: Will try and do it this evening :) | 21:50 |
| lcuk | zakkm, i was on the plane a couple of weeks ago fumbling trying to switch devices | 21:51 |
| zakkm | no laptop? | 21:51 |
| Myrtti | lcuk: could do | 21:51 |
| rmt_ | So.. I'm thinking about the best way to create a nice flowable with GTK widgets.. | 21:51 |
| lcuk | zakkm, no | 21:52 |
| zakkm | i would of thought you'd have a laptop for journeys and such | 21:52 |
| lcuk | Myrtti, the mascots thing is always good fun, did you read the thread and see some strange suggestions? | 21:52 |
| lcuk | zakkm, i do but liqbase is on my devices | 21:52 |
| rmt_ | A TextView would maybe do the job .. or I could just start adding widgets to a Layout, and ensure that the layout matches the window size.. redraw when it changes. | 21:52 |
| lcuk | -s | 21:52 |
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| coldboot | How would you get scons working from outside scratchbox? `sb2 scons`, or any other program that doesn't work by default? | 21:53 |
| coldboot | It seems the sb2 command only executes a predefined list of programs like ls, make, etc. | 21:54 |
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| rmt_ | And add all items line by line.. filling in free space.. fairly easy to do it if I assume each line has the same height.. harder if I want proper wrapping around images. | 21:54 |
| Myrtti | lcuk: on itt? I don't usually frequent any discussion forums anymore these days | 21:56 |
| lcuk | that was a good thread :) community involvement and a laugh | 21:56 |
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| lcuk | always good to do something folks can get involved in | 21:56 |
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| lcuk | is qt faster than gtk? | 22:07 |
| RST38h | nope | 22:08 |
| lcuk | didnt think so lol | 22:08 |
| lcuk | it can do more | 22:08 |
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| binky | hi everyone | 22:09 |
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| binky | ...specially Stskeeps ... need help with mer again lol | 22:09 |
| Stskeeps | only if you have chocolate cookies | 22:10 |
| binky | Stskeeps, I sell them dirt cheap. | 22:10 |
| Stskeeps | hehe | 22:11 |
| Stskeeps | what was the issue? | 22:11 |
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| binky | That, I could boot it (that is further than I went last time I tried) and the white bar goes until the end (first time it configured sthg I don't remember and asked user and pass), but the it just keeps there in the end and does nothing. I left it a long time and nothing. | 22:12 |
| binky | And now, after 10 seconds with the white bar in the end, a red bar appears, which when completes, makes the device turn off. | 22:13 |
| Stskeeps | right, can we take it in #mer so we don't clutter the channel? | 22:13 |
| binky | ...I forgot there was a channel for Mer! Ok, I will. | 22:14 |
| rmt_ | Hmm.. strange.. compiling vala in sb2, and libvala.so doesn't have some of the necessary libraries linked in.. their functions are shown as "U" in nm.. | 22:16 |
| rmt_ | Which is fine for the library, but then it borks when it reaches valac | 22:17 |
| rmt_ | Must learn more about libtool. | 22:17 |
| lcuk | :( rmt_ | 22:18 |
| lcuk | how is vala shaping out outside of these probs | 22:18 |
| rmt_ | I like it. It's gaining missing functionality. | 22:18 |
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| lcuk | yeah it should | 22:18 |
| rmt_ | I would like more documentation about how to link in normal C code, though. | 22:18 |
| lcuk | missing funcionality? extra language constructs or librarie? | 22:18 |
| rmt_ | VAPI files, mostly. | 22:19 |
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| lcuk | yeah those come with time | 22:19 |
| lcuk | isnt there an automated conversion | 22:19 |
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| rmt_ | For glib libraries, yes.. | 22:19 |
| lcuk | cool | 22:19 |
| rmt_ | gobject libraries.. But I think it still requires tweaks since people don't always follow the naming conventions. | 22:19 |
| Stskeeps | someone needs to check out vala on mer really | 22:19 |
| Stskeeps | and get Tear going | 22:19 |
| lcuk | vala is impressive - its like cfront in many ways | 22:20 |
| rmt_ | I wish I had more time at the moment.. was suckered into doing Zope work.. waved a Django app in front of my face first, then threw the whopper at me. | 22:20 |
| lcuk | w0000t someone signed me up for itunes | 22:21 |
| lcuk | someone called Demetre | 22:21 |
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| * lcuk loves getting odd mails | 22:21 | |
| lcuk | hah rmt | 22:21 |
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| rmt_ | lcuk, I'm working with Grok now .. much nicer than Plone development .. and it can be ported to plone relatively easily later.. | 22:24 |
| lcuk | are these even languages or programs? they all sound made up nowadays | 22:24 |
| rmt_ | Zope 3's powerful and cool, but complicated.. Zope 2's neat and relatively simple.. Plone is a monstrosity. | 22:24 |
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| rmt_ | Plone is a CMS built on Zope 2, which now haphazardly uses Zope 3 features through a layer called Five (2 + 3 = 5) .. it has a lot of followers .. but it's too damn complicated if you're already familiar with parts of the system. | 22:26 |
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| rmt_ | Zope 3 uses XML to configure the application, connect providers with requesters, etc. .. Grok uses some code to do it and mostly avoid XML. | 22:27 |
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| rmt_ | Then there's repoze.bfg, which is more like django or rails, but using Zope 3 technology. | 22:28 |
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| rmt_ | Basically - avoid it all if you can. :-) | 22:28 |
| rmt_ | Ok - got vala to compile.. the hacky way, but that's all I'm doing atm. | 22:29 |
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| Jaffa | rmt_: 0.7.3 on its way to extras-devel as we speak | 22:31 |
| rmt_ | Jaffa, You had no problem compiling it? sb2? | 22:31 |
| * Jaffa needs to find time to properly put libgee up there too | 22:31 | |
| Jaffa | rmt_: sb1 | 22:31 |
| rmt_ | I really should cleanup my build environment. | 22:31 |
| Jaffa | (using mud: just points at tarball - bam!) | 22:32 |
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| rmt_ | Considering getting rid of my 64bit ubuntu install too in favour of 32bit too.. too much screwing around to get 32bit only things working. | 22:32 |
| Myrtti | hm | 22:32 |
| Myrtti | I must be missing out something | 22:33 |
| * Jaffa is still happy with his 64-bit ubuntu | 22:33 | |
| Stskeeps | Myrtti: can't find xournal in extras? :P | 22:33 |
| Myrtti | notes could do annotations on pdfs? looks like it can't open them | 22:33 |
| Jaffa | Seems... "wrong"... to run a 32-bit OS | 22:33 |
| Stskeeps | Myrtti: ah, no, xournal can | 22:33 |
| RST38h | not notes | 22:33 |
| Myrtti | hm | 22:33 |
| RST38h | xournal | 22:33 |
| Myrtti | silly rabbits | 22:33 |
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| RST38h | Jaffa: 64bit mode does not add much usefulness for a normal user | 22:34 |
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| RST38h | Jaffa: it is a bit slower too because 64bit instructions are longer | 22:34 |
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| Jaffa | RST38h: True. When running in 32-bit mode can it use the wider bus to load two instructions at a time, or does it only use half the bus? | 22:35 |
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| RST38h | Jaffa: It always uses the whole bus | 22:35 |
| RST38h | And it loads whatever amount of data fits the incoiming decoding buffer | 22:36 |
| Jaffa | Hmm. | 22:36 |
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| RST38h | x86 assembly language is no longer directly related to what CPU is doing internally, not like arm | 22:36 |
| Jaffa | I also semi-object to changing my OS to better suit the vagaries of Scratchbox and the Maemo SDK; but... | 22:36 |
| RST38h | Jaffa: You won't lose much really | 22:37 |
| Jaffa | RST38h: Ah, I've never done any x86 assembly - just 6502 & ARM. Oh, and some 68k at university | 22:37 |
| RST38h | Jaffa: Modern x86s pretty much "emulate" most of traditional x86 instructions | 22:37 |
| RST38h | Internally, these CPUs are way different | 22:37 |
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| Myrtti | lol | 22:41 |
| Myrtti | who said this is buggy? | 22:41 |
| Myrtti | it's less buggy than in ubuntu jaunty :-D | 22:41 |
| Myrtti | hohohoh | 22:41 |
| Myrtti | ♥ | 22:41 |
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| Myrtti | brilliant | 22:41 |
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| Myrtti | cheers fellers | 22:41 |
| Myrtti | bloody brilliant | 22:41 |
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| Myrtti | I love you guys ♥ | 22:50 |
| lcuk | :D | 22:50 |
| lcuk | Myrtti, you always stand out in a crowd of text | 22:51 |
| Myrtti | ♥ ♥ ♥ #maemo ♥ ♥ ♥ | 22:51 |
| Myrtti | lcuk: the thing is, if this knitting pattern doesn't start to heed to my will, I'll sell the yarn. | 22:52 |
| Myrtti | and it wasn't cheap | 22:52 |
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| Myrtti | if I can make any sense of this pattern, then all the better | 22:52 |
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| lcuk | what is the pattern | 22:52 |
| Myrtti | http://photos1.blogger.com/blogger/4661/2016/1600/pavonmallineule.0.jpg | 22:52 |
| Myrtti | will end up something like that | 22:53 |
| Myrtti | http://www.flickr.com/photos/myrtti/3571275234/ | 22:53 |
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| coldboot | How do you run an arbitrary program with sb2? I can do `sb2 make`, `sb2 ls`, but for many other programs that I've installed, they're not found. However, doing `sb2 'print $PATH'` gives paths to which those non-working programs are in... | 22:54 |
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| lcuk | Myrtti, so the qournal page you are viewing is the pattern itself | 22:55 |
| lcuk | for that piece | 22:55 |
| Myrtti | yeah | 22:56 |
| lcuk | but you keep doing it wrong, or getting your stylus caught up in it | 22:56 |
| Myrtti | all I need to do is to clearly mark the rows I've done | 22:56 |
| lcuk | liqbase could make a pyramid of tiles like that, but it would be better to know the full format required | 22:57 |
| Myrtti | a visual aid to help me keep on the pattern | 22:57 |
| lcuk | thats actually really easy | 22:57 |
| lcuk | you see in the video i do multiselect tag cloud thing | 22:57 |
| lcuk | its essentially the same idea as what you are needing (from the looks of things) | 22:57 |
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| Jaffa | rmt_: Damn. 0.7.3's failed to build on armel: https://garage.maemo.org/builder/diablo/vala_0.7.3/armel.build.log.FAILED.txt | 23:02 |
| Myrtti | lcuk: if there was a way to build a grid of patterns easily, sorta like drag and drop stiches to a grid, that would be what I've dreamt of for years | 23:02 |
| Jaffa | rmt_: Looks like it might depend on a newer glib. I'll have a look after watching ER. | 23:03 |
| rmt_ | Jaffa, Yup - looks that way. | 23:03 |
| rmt_ | Enjoy ER | 23:04 |
| lcuk | Myrtti, :) so if there was a tile of X * Y and you could select one of (lets say) 8 "colors" and paint em wherever | 23:04 |
| Myrtti | lcuk: or black and white characters, like in that picture - o, /, \, m etc | 23:05 |
| lcuk | if we stored them in a text file with whats filled into each location in a grid would that be ok | 23:05 |
| lcuk | yeah i see | 23:05 |
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| lcuk | 00100100100100100100 | 23:06 |
| lcuk | 01001001001001001001 | 23:06 |
| lcuk | 00100100100100100100 | 23:06 |
| lcuk | etc | 23:06 |
| Myrtti | there's actually a xml format for knitting patterns :-) | 23:06 |
| Myrtti | yeah | 23:06 |
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| lcuk | thats what i asked up there ^ | 23:06 |
| lcuk | lol | 23:06 |
| Myrtti | oh, you did? | 23:06 |
| lcuk | yeah dont worry lol | 23:06 |
| Myrtti | I must have been so excited knitting didn't notice | 23:06 |
| lcuk | heh | 23:06 |
| Myrtti | knitml :-) | 23:06 |
| lcuk | im meant to be chilling out preparing for trip | 23:07 |
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| lcuk | Myrtti, find the spec for the knitting things | 23:08 |
| lcuk | and post it to liquid@gmail.com :) | 23:08 |
| Myrtti | will do :-) | 23:09 |
| lcuk | ill bbiab | 23:09 |
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| Myrtti | lcuk: btw, rm_you is going to CPH as well I heard, so you might want to talk with him as well | 23:13 |
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| rm_you | lcuk, Myrtti: yes I was wanting to do something with knitML :P | 23:18 |
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| rmt_ | http://github.com/rmt/maemo-hacks/tree | 23:47 |
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| Jaffa | rmt_: The regexp issue came up before | 23:58 |
| Jaffa | http://mail.gnome.org/archives/vala-list/2008-March/msg00061.html | 23:58 |
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