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| RST38h | Sts: How is .PL btw? | 00:04 |
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| Stskeeps | it was fine, i was just down south in denmark this weekend | 00:04 |
| b-man16 | Stskeeps: btw, i (might) be representing Mer at LinuxFest this fall btw | 00:05 |
| Stskeeps | b-man16: alright, better do it well | 00:06 |
| Stskeeps | there'll hopefully be plenty material to use | 00:06 |
| b-man16 | indeed | 00:06 |
| Stskeeps | RST38h: some claim TI developers SDK has the roms btw | 00:06 |
| Stskeeps | ( http://education.ti.com/educationportal/sites/US/productDetail/us_sdk_73_83_84.html ) | 00:07 |
| * Stskeeps glances at http://wiki.theplaz.com/How-to_Create_a_TI-83_Plus_ROM_Image | 00:08 | |
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| Stskeeps | also, my xp is kinda dead :P | 00:09 |
| Stskeeps | which seems to be needed | 00:09 |
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| RST38h | Sts: TI only offers ROM update not a complete ROM | 00:13 |
| Stskeeps | even the SDK? :P | 00:13 |
| RST38h | Sts: Not sure have not tried | 00:13 |
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| RST38h | My guess is that you can use any computer to dump it, just send the ti program over tilink and get the file with standard ti tools | 00:13 |
| RST38h | conversion I can do by myself | 00:13 |
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| Stskeeps | RST38h: http://wiki.theplaz.com/How-to_Create_a_TI-83_Plus_ROM_Image#TI.27s_SDK | 00:17 |
| Stskeeps | looks sane | 00:17 |
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| RST38h | Trying... | 00:36 |
| RST38h | Sts: Does not have 84+, 83+SE, or 84+SE | 00:38 |
| RST38h | wait, se is there | 00:38 |
| b-man16 | ~seen qwerty12_N800 | 00:39 |
| infobot | qwerty12_n800 <n=faheem@78-105-80-81.zone3.bethere.co.uk> was last seen on IRC in channel #maemo, 20d 15h 10m 13s ago, saying: 'radic: advanced-backlight?'. | 00:39 |
| b-man16 | 20 days!?!?!? O.0 | 00:39 |
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| lcuk | RST38h, more calculators to digest | 01:36 |
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| skibur | http://www.skibur.com is almost up | 02:16 |
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| w30 | what app do I need for ping command in x terminal? | 02:33 |
| zakkm | ping ;p | 02:34 |
| zakkm | w30: ping | 02:34 |
| zakkm | w30: for maemo, its called "iputils" | 02:34 |
| w30 | duh, ok! | 02:35 |
| zakkm | w30: http://maemo.org/development/tools/doc/diablo/iputils/ here | 02:35 |
| w30 | zakkm, thanks, | 02:35 |
| zakkm | w30: getting download deb, onesec | 02:35 |
| zakkm | w3 | 02:35 |
| zakkm | w30: http://repository.maemo.org/pool/maemo4.1/free/i/iputils/iputils-ping_20020927-6osso1_armel.deb | 02:35 |
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| zakkm | w30: you know how to install from deb? | 02:36 |
| zakkm | w30: apt-get install iptuils-ping should also work i think sicne its in maemo repositories | 02:36 |
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| w30 | zakkm, yeah, but been a while, I can find out how again *smile* | 02:38 |
| w30 | zakkm, thanks | 02:38 |
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| zakkm | w30: you download to nokia tablet... in application manager, press menu key.. Install- from file.. select deb | 02:41 |
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| w30 | zakkm, I have a folder somewhere with debs and the installer stuff somewhere in 160 gigs of stuff | 02:41 |
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| zakkm | oh wow okay i dont know | 02:43 |
| zakkm | deb is installer though. | 02:43 |
| zakkm | the "setup .exe" for tablet | 02:43 |
| w30 | zakkm, thats cool, I like that better than the old way before I upgraded the 770 OS | 02:44 |
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| zakkm | your on 770? | 02:46 |
| w30 | zakkm, w30 wants a 810 but can't afford one. | 02:46 |
| zakkm | yeah so do i ;p | 02:47 |
| zakkm | my 770 wsod 2 weeks after i got it | 02:47 |
| zakkm | and after that i was so broke so i saved upp sooo much and bought a n800 | 02:47 |
| zakkm | got a parttime job and everything | 02:47 |
| zakkm | and now wishing i got a n810, but financially it wasnt worth it | 02:47 |
| w30 | zakkm, what's wsod? Went South of Denver? | 02:48 |
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| zakkm | white screen of death | 02:49 |
| zakkm | evantually your 770 will stop working | 02:49 |
| zakkm | on its own, huge design flaw | 02:49 |
| zakkm | whatever you do .. do not turn it off or restart it okay? | 02:49 |
| zakkm | one day randomly you do that.. the screen will stay white.. and never ever change | 02:50 |
| Bobbe | lol | 02:50 |
| zakkm | w30: okay? | 02:50 |
| Bobbe | so... prophetic | 02:50 |
| w30 | zakkm, I have had absolutely no trouble with mine execpt the do ate through the power cord and now it is joined with gray duct tabe | 02:51 |
| w30 | do/dog | 02:51 |
| w30 | zakkm, I turn it off at least twice a day. | 02:52 |
| zakkm | w30: do not ever turn it off | 02:52 |
| zakkm | theres no point for one.. and one day you will turn it on and it will stay white | 02:52 |
| zakkm | the screen controller evantually breaks on its own, and you cant repair it | 02:53 |
| zakkm | w30: charge it, leave it on.. do not turn off/restart it .. it takes so much power to do that anywayas its not worth it | 02:53 |
| zakkm | the power to turn it off and on.. is about 4 days of battery | 02:53 |
| zakkm | if the ui screws up, you kill hildon-desktop | 02:54 |
| Bobbe | really? | 02:54 |
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| zakkm | yes | 02:55 |
| zakkm | on the 770 it breaks.. not n800/n810 | 02:55 |
| zakkm | but battery wise, yes | 02:55 |
| zakkm | you shouldnt turn off the tablet | 02:56 |
| zakkm | its like a ipod, you shouldnt do it with a ipod too | 02:56 |
| zakkm | laptops are a different story.. | 02:56 |
| w30 | zakkm, I got one of the first ones that were avilable after the initial backordered ones were filled. | 02:57 |
| zakkm | w30: so the good ones, even still you shouldnt turn it off , its more of a wast eof battery then leaving it on | 02:57 |
| w30 | zakkm, I would like to do the phone stuff on the 810, so if it breaks I will ask Santa for an 810. | 03:00 |
| zakkm | phone stuff on the 810? | 03:01 |
| zakkm | can have skype on 770 | 03:01 |
| zakkm | and call and such, has builtin speaker+mic | 03:01 |
| w30 | zakkm, skype etc. video phone | 03:01 |
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| GAN8001 | zakkm, two days. | 03:02 |
| zakkm | w30: if you install 2007HE, you can use skype. | 03:02 |
| zakkm | GAN800: w30 said turns off twice a day... i was trying to say should just leave it on, so i exaggerated a little ;p | 03:03 |
| GAN8001 | Bobbe, yes. The powersaving is targetted at good idle life, not fast, lightweight boots. | 03:03 |
| GAN8001 | zakkm, ah, sorry. | 03:03 |
| zakkm | also doesnt the 770 have worse battery? | 03:03 |
| GAN8001 | One cycle is 2 days of idle if you're getting about 10 days total. | 03:03 |
| zakkm | and 2006/07 worse battery life.. making it more than 2days idle? :P | 03:03 |
| w30 | zakkm, to really make it work I will have to update to a bluetooth phone or else stick close to wifi | 03:04 |
| GAN8001 | zakkm, BP-5L for 770 and N800, BP-4L for N810 | 03:04 |
| GAN8001 | All 1500mAh | 03:04 |
| zakkm | ohh | 03:04 |
| zakkm | just a guess | 03:04 |
| GAN8001 | zakkm, the 770's WiFi powersaving was nowhere near as good. | 03:04 |
| zakkm | but yeah w30, you'd be better off battery life wise and time wise to just leave it on than turn off tablet | 03:04 |
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| lcuk | i have pink skin under neath the scar tissue :O the two halves have joined (only near the edge for now) :O | 03:05 |
| w30 | zakkm, I have an 110 volt inverter for my car lighter so a battery life of a couple of hours for laptop or 770 works for me. | 03:05 |
| zakkm | lcuk: what are you talking about? | 03:06 |
| lcuk | the skin around where i had my stitches in is peeling revealing nice clean new skin underneath :) | 03:07 |
| zakkm | car lighter, ... i think i need to start talking to people my age :) | 03:07 |
| w30 | lcuk, My dog got super glued together, so go to a vet! | 03:07 |
| zakkm | lcuk: oh thats cool, show your children? :) | 03:07 |
| zakkm | did you groose them out? :) | 03:07 |
| lcuk | yeah one runs away the other tries to grab it | 03:07 |
| zakkm | hehh :) | 03:08 |
| lcuk | w30, i wouldv prefered glue | 03:09 |
| lcuk | its the end of my finger | 03:09 |
| lcuk | and i had stitches whilst could still feel | 03:09 |
| zakkm | how do you type :( | 03:09 |
| lcuk | differently | 03:10 |
| * zakkm learns the first thing he will worry about when his hand gets injured is if he will ever be able to type again ;p | 03:10 | |
| * zakkm thinks hes not like all the other highschool boys ;p | 03:10 | |
| lcuk | for the first week it was like fort knox i had a metal spoon cast around it to put the bone back together | 03:10 |
| w30 | car lighter: translated 12 volt auxillary power terminal, either keyed or battery sourced | 03:10 |
| lcuk | and help keep it from falling out | 03:10 |
| zakkm | w30: heh im implying you have a car .. therefore most likely older. i dont know anything about cars | 03:11 |
| w30 | zakkm, he's worried about pumping his fist | 03:12 |
| zakkm | lcuk: may i ask what you do for a career, highly curious, i always like see you here and such and wonder where you have time for a job | 03:13 |
| w30 | heh,heh, | 03:13 |
| lcuk | :) | 03:13 |
| zakkm | stskeeps too , but hes not here to ask | 03:13 |
| lcuk | i have a family, a fulltime dayjob and im creating liqbase :) http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vt7qB37sLLo | 03:14 |
| zakkm | yeah what dayjob, if you dont mind sharing | 03:14 |
| zakkm | omg i should go and get my n800 back from friend , i want to test out the liqbase! ;p | 03:14 |
| lcuk | software development :) | 03:14 |
| zakkm | lent it to him like two weeks ago , bit more | 03:15 |
| lcuk | in visual basic | 03:15 |
| zakkm | oh cool | 03:15 |
| zakkm | pays well? | 03:15 |
| lcuk | none of your damned business :) | 03:16 |
| zakkm | i have a friend who is doing it, his dad is a programming very old very uhh strict by-the-book programming, his dad used to work for redhat too, and my friend he said he plans to make $150+ a hour, but that just seems insanely too high to me | 03:16 |
| zakkm | i dont mean exact numbers ;p | 03:16 |
| zakkm | i meant like enough, nice job security, not too much stressful | 03:17 |
| zakkm | like as a career to go into it | 03:17 |
| zakkm | i keep hearing like really high numbers and then really low numbers | 03:18 |
| zakkm | my school computer programming has like automatic access to some nice programming university called University of Waterloo | 03:18 |
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| w30 | zakkm, thanks for the help, I'm going to see if I can get my 770 to ping the network. | 03:27 |
| w30 | bye | 03:27 |
| zakkm | w30 try not to turn it off if you can, would save more battery | 03:27 |
| zakkm | w30: bye | 03:27 |
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| jaem_N810 | hey folks | 03:35 |
| jaem_N810 | a bit OT, but can anyone recommend any good Nokia phones available in Canada? (e.g. Rogers) | 03:36 |
| jaem_N810 | I'm hoping to ditch my current carrier this fall | 03:36 |
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| GAN8001 | jaem_N810, buy unlocked? | 04:04 |
| GAN8001 | jaem_N810, 5800 or E71 | 04:04 |
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| Reimor | hi | 04:10 |
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| b-man16 | hello | 04:12 |
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| jaem_N810 | GAN8001: I would buy it unlocked, but y budget is limited | 04:18 |
| jaem_N810 | and given that I won't be switching carriers, and likely won't be out of the country, that's not a big deal | 04:19 |
| jaem_N810 | thanks, though | 04:19 |
| jaem_N810 | I was looking at the E71... | 04:19 |
| jaem_N810 | how locked down is the software? I know it's not like Maemo, but what level of control do you have over the OS? | 04:20 |
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| ShadowJK | well by default you get to install apps, as long as they're signed by the creator recently | 04:25 |
| jaem_N810 | can you self-sign your own? | 04:26 |
| ShadowJK | yeah | 04:26 |
| jaem_N810 | and does the Qt port work on this model? | 04:26 |
| ShadowJK | but if you want to develop for symbian you should probably have your head examined by a professional | 04:26 |
| jaem_N810 | lol | 04:26 |
| jaem_N810 | I would just like to be able to tinker with it | 04:27 |
| jaem_N810 | it may not be fun, but if I *can't*, that's a big limitation | 04:27 |
| jaem_N810 | bbiab - dinner | 04:27 |
| ShadowJK | you cant modify the os | 04:27 |
| ShadowJK | for tinkering... there's python available :P | 04:27 |
| ShadowJK | it tries hard to hide symian-isms from you, though you still encounter them | 04:28 |
| ShadowJK | dunno about qt, but: http://www.forum.nokia.com/Tools_Docs_and_Code/Tools/Runtimes/Qt_for_S60/ | 04:30 |
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| jaem_N810 | ShadowJK: python sounds good, and I presume there's an ssh client available? | 04:51 |
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| ShadowJK | jaem_N810, there's a port of putty | 04:59 |
| ShadowJK | http://s2putty.sourceforge.net/ | 04:59 |
| ShadowJK | If you think tinkering/developing on/for maemo is cumbersome, difficult or complex, then you've seen nothing yet :) | 05:00 |
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| jaem_N810 | ShadowJK: thanks for the info | 05:05 |
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| GAN800 | jaem, the alternative is to buy really cheap and wait out the Maemo phone. | 05:18 |
| GAN800 | Or perhaps an open source Symbian model. | 05:19 |
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| ShadowJK | There might be opensource symbian, but I doubt we'd see handsets that aren't tivoized | 05:24 |
| GAN8001 | Sure, but it's sure to be a step forward from the current arrangement. | 05:29 |
| Macer | heh | 05:36 |
| Macer | got a usb hdd with wii isos on it that get loaded by an app in homebrew | 05:36 |
| Macer | it's awesome | 05:36 |
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| xnt14 | btw everyone, im working on this webdeb framework, and I plan to make it nit compatible | 07:02 |
| xnt14 | http://code.google.com/p/graphiure/ | 07:02 |
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| xnt14 | *webdev | 07:03 |
| EdLin | hello, if you had a choice between keeping a dell netbook, an iPod touch, or a N810, which would you pick and why? Not at troll, I'm interested in getting an N810. | 07:03 |
| xnt14 | EdLin: well, have a eeepc 701, a ipod touch , and a n810, it all depends on what you want to do | 07:04 |
| xnt14 | *I | 07:04 |
| Bobbe | depends on what you'll need to do with it | 07:04 |
| acydlord | yeah, i have an aspire one, and an n810 | 07:04 |
| Bobbe | between an Ipod Touch and an N800, it's a no-brainer, at least for me | 07:05 |
| xnt14 | Netbool if you want to browse the web and have a regular pc platforkm | 07:05 |
| xnt14 | *platform | 07:05 |
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| Bobbe | now if you don't mind have to carry a netbook everywhere, u should get the dell | 07:05 |
| Bobbe | *having | 07:05 |
| Bobbe | I do, that's why I got an n800 | 07:05 |
| EdLin | xnt14: I want mostly to browse, youtube, RSS, music, but also to tether it to a phone when neccesary. | 07:05 |
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| Bobbe | and of course my n800 was 1/3 of the price of a (good for anything) netbook | 07:06 |
| xnt14 | ipod can rss/youtube/music fine, but the ipod can't tether | 07:06 |
| Bobbe | EdLin, what do u mean by tethering to a phone? | 07:06 |
| xnt14 | n810 can tether but some phone it doesn't tether(blackberry) | 07:06 |
| EdLin | I have a sprint palm centro, I hear it can tether to it and provide a better internet experience.... | 07:06 |
| xnt14 | Bobbe: getting internet from a phone | 07:06 |
| Bobbe | ah, ok | 07:07 |
| xnt14 | oh yeah | 07:07 |
| Bobbe | does the ipod do that at all? | 07:07 |
| EdLin | and the centro has PIM, which it lacks, making it complement. | 07:07 |
| Bobbe | i thought it was wifi only | 07:07 |
| EdLin | the iPod does not, the dell mini 9 does. | 07:07 |
| xnt14 | christefano has a centro , and he said the it works like a charm | 07:07 |
| xnt14 | hes away right now | 07:08 |
| acydlord | i have my n810, aao, and phone all in an urbantools slotbar bag | 07:08 |
| EdLin | aao? | 07:08 |
| acydlord | acer aspire one | 07:08 |
| xnt14 | aao? | 07:08 |
| xnt14 | oh lol xD | 07:08 |
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| EdLin | I'd love to keep the dell mini 9 and have this too, but I'm not like that palm investor with the utility belt, I only have room for so many gadgets. | 07:09 |
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| xnt14 | well, how good are you with linux? | 07:09 |
| acydlord | i cant wait till i get my palm pre | 07:10 |
| EdLin | I've used Linux since 1991, though currently I use OS X a lot. | 07:10 |
| xnt14 | oh ok then | 07:10 |
| xnt14 | well, it all depends | 07:10 |
| GAN800 | EdLin, wait a few months for the new tablet. | 07:10 |
| acydlord | slotbar is pretty close to a utility belt | 07:10 |
| GAN800 | ~rx-51 | 07:10 |
| infobot | it has been said that rx-51 is http://maemo.org/community/council/community_highlights_for_december_2008-part_i-january_2009-part_ii/ http://www.linuxdevices.com/news/NS9093153240.html | 07:10 |
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| xnt14 | acydlord: im stuck between iphone 3rd Gen, palm pre, g1/2/3 | 07:11 |
| EdLin | GAN800: when's it coming out? Does it need a new cell plan other than sprint? | 07:11 |
| GAN800 | EdLin, it's not a cellphone. | 07:11 |
| xnt14 | Edlin: its a tablet not a phone | 07:11 |
| xnt14 | you don't need a plan | 07:12 |
| EdLin | yes, but it mentioned HSPA connectivity. | 07:12 |
| GAN800 | EdLin, not been announced, but it should be relatively soon. | 07:12 |
| GAN800 | You can put a SIM in there or not. | 07:12 |
| GAN800 | it's about equivalent to the Mini 9 with HSPA. | 07:12 |
| EdLin | will they break tethering as part of the deal? | 07:12 |
| acydlord | it's the pre for me, not a fan of the iphone at all, and not happy with android yet | 07:13 |
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| GAN800 | By the way, I'd recommend the HP netbook over the Dell. | 07:13 |
| GAN800 | EdLin, er, no. | 07:13 |
| EdLin | GAN800: too late, I have the dell. | 07:13 |
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| GAN800 | EdLin, the system isn't closed enough for them to manage that. | 07:13 |
| EdLin | cool | 07:13 |
| acydlord | some of the hp netbooks are pure fail | 07:13 |
| GAN800 | Besides, Nokia doesn't get your money when you get a plan so they'd have no incentive. | 07:14 |
| EdLin | the mini 9 is excellent in terms of hardware hackability, in terms of keyboard though it's a bit of a loss. | 07:14 |
| acydlord | the aspire one is quite hackable from the hardware end | 07:15 |
| acydlord | solderless touchscreen mod FTW | 07:15 |
| EdLin | neat | 07:15 |
| GAN800 | Anyway, the next tablet will be closer to netbook performance than iPod/N810 performance. | 07:15 |
| EdLin | GAN800: what will the price be like? | 07:16 |
| acydlord | that and the itouch is just a toy | 07:16 |
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| GAN800 | EdLin, about where the N810 was new. | 07:17 |
| EdLin | GAN800: I need it to be sub-$300, because that's about what I'd be selling the mini 9 for at a minimum. | 07:17 |
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| GAN800 | Then I'd recommend buying the N810 now and then upgrading once the prices drop on the next tablet sometime next year. | 07:18 |
| acydlord | my n810 was only $140 shipped =x | 07:18 |
| EdLin | from where? | 07:19 |
| acydlord | from nokia | 07:19 |
| EdLin | that's US dollars?! | 07:19 |
| acydlord | yeah | 07:19 |
| EdLin | OK, how. :-) | 07:19 |
| acydlord | developers discount for the win | 07:19 |
| EdLin | ah.... | 07:19 |
| EdLin | well, I'm an admin more than a developer. | 07:20 |
| EdLin | though I'm semi-fluent in several programming languages. | 07:20 |
| EdLin | IOW I know enough to get me into trouble, and not enough to get me out of it. | 07:21 |
| GAN800 | They're contributor discounts now | 07:22 |
| GAN800 | Also apply to doc writers, bug filers, and general community contributors. | 07:23 |
| acydlord | they gave a couple for adding documentation didnt they? | 07:23 |
| acydlord | yeah | 07:23 |
| EdLin | well, I can't write too many docs for it without ever having seen one. :-) | 07:23 |
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| EdLin | OK, it looks like everyone is going to sleep. I guess I'll have a midnight snack and maybe do the same. | 07:27 |
| EdLin | thanks for the help, it's a friendly channel. | 07:27 |
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| rm_you | if I'm using g_debug() to do debug output, where does that GO? | 07:59 |
| rm_you | i used to use it and now i've forgotten >_> | 07:59 |
| Stskeeps | mer? .xsession-errors | 08:00 |
| rm_you | not mer :/ | 08:00 |
| rm_you | like, where does ALL of the debug text from all of the statusbar applets and home applets and stuff GO? what logfile or whatever do i need to be looking at? | 08:06 |
| Stskeeps | i think dev null when in maemo. might bee wrong | 08:13 |
| LiraNuna | launch your program from osso-term ? | 08:13 |
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| thux | morning | 08:14 |
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| Macer | i swear to god | 08:16 |
| Macer | if i can find the asshole that decided to use hfs+ | 08:16 |
| Macer | i would shoot him | 08:16 |
| * Macer marks another thing he utterly hates about osx | 08:16 | |
| |R | haha | 08:16 |
| johnx_ | Macer: for what? there are linux drivers for it | 08:16 |
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| rm_you | LiraNuna: is a statusbar-applet | 08:17 |
| Macer | because it forks | 08:17 |
| Macer | over network filesystems | 08:17 |
| Macer | and makes these ._filename files | 08:17 |
| Macer | and for the life of me i can't figure out a way to stop it from doing that | 08:17 |
| johnx_ | oh noes. so stop using a mac | 08:17 |
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| Macer | so if you say copy foo over a samba share | 08:17 |
| Macer | it makes foo | 08:17 |
| Macer | and ._foo | 08:17 |
| Macer | it sends forked data over as a ._ file | 08:18 |
| Macer | johnx_: i think you're right | 08:18 |
| Macer | i should sell it on ebay and get a netbook or something | 08:18 |
| * johnx_ uses a ._macbook | 08:18 | |
| Macer | i put debian on it... but the damn wifi wouldn't connect adhoc | 08:18 |
| johnx_ | well, right now at least | 08:18 |
| Macer | haha | 08:18 |
| Macer | me too.. got it for $500 | 08:19 |
| johnx_ | work gave me one for free | 08:19 |
| Macer | which prevented me from getting another laptop | 08:19 |
| johnx_ | and a copy of vmware fusion | 08:19 |
| Macer | maybe that's what i should do | 08:19 |
| Macer | just run fusion full screen the entire time | 08:19 |
| johnx_ | meh | 08:19 |
| johnx_ | waste of CPU power for most things | 08:19 |
| johnx_ | mac os x isn't bad | 08:19 |
| johnx_ | you have to choose to not let it annoy you | 08:19 |
| Macer | well.. i'm going to hunt down a way to get rid of the ._ files | 08:19 |
| Macer | there has to be a way so it doesn't do that | 08:20 |
| johnx_ | once I have cash, I'm getting a thinkpad x200 (no matter what RST38h says) | 08:20 |
| Macer | do they still make thinkpads? | 08:20 |
| Stskeeps | morning | 08:20 |
| Macer | i thought lenovo bought ibm out | 08:20 |
| johnx_ | Macer: IBM, no, Lenovo, yes | 08:20 |
| Macer | or bought their laptop division | 08:20 |
| Macer | oh screw that :) | 08:20 |
| johnx_ | Stskeeps: morning. :) | 08:20 |
| Macer | you should be ashamed :) thinkpads were awesome when ibm made them | 08:20 |
| Macer | i don't know about lenovo tho | 08:21 |
| johnx_ | Macer: you never even used one ... | 08:21 |
| johnx_ | I've had some hands on time, read plenty of reviews | 08:21 |
| Macer | i know but still | 08:21 |
| johnx_ | they seem like a nice machine | 08:21 |
| Macer | toshiba laptops used to be pretty good | 08:21 |
| Macer | now they seem like crap | 08:21 |
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| Macer | all the pc brandnames seem like crap | 08:21 |
| Macer | there is one thing i can say about macs.. minus the optical drive .... | 08:21 |
| johnx_ | plastic macbooks are much more cheap feeling than a thinkpad | 08:21 |
| Macer | they don't seem to be so shitty | 08:22 |
| johnx_ | they stain, they crack | 08:22 |
| johnx_ | their chargers catch on fire | 08:22 |
| Macer | lol?! | 08:22 |
| Macer | what? :) | 08:22 |
| Macer | i got one of those clear cases that snap onto it | 08:22 |
| johnx_ | my work has like 20+ of these things | 08:22 |
| johnx_ | I would know :) | 08:22 |
| Macer | if i take it off it's like brand new minus the wear on the mouse | 08:22 |
| Macer | the case has been brutalized though :) | 08:22 |
| johnx_ | anyways, back to hacking :) | 08:22 |
| Macer | lol | 08:23 |
| Macer | yeah me too | 08:23 |
| Macer | i'm hax0ring osx so it isn't as gay without replacing it | 08:23 |
| Macer | like the christian camps that try to pray the gay away | 08:23 |
| Macer | actually.. i'm copying cover art over to the wii | 08:23 |
| Macer | :) | 08:23 |
| Macer | i got the usb loader to work and it works awesome like | 08:24 |
| Macer | there's also another app i wanted to try out | 08:24 |
| Macer | it turns isos into wads and you install games on the external hd as channels in the wii menu | 08:24 |
| sisto | hi! | 08:24 |
| Macer | i've been running into ntsc/pal issues i suppose | 08:24 |
| Macer | :-\ | 08:24 |
| sisto | I wanna talk about maemo 5 a bit | 08:24 |
| Macer | some get forced and others do not... punch out is pretty entertaining though. couldn't get madworld working tho :-\ | 08:25 |
| sisto | I've been reading about it and can't see any new major features to look forward to | 08:25 |
| sisto | what are you looking forward to? | 08:25 |
| sisto | i was expecting something like java support | 08:26 |
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| sisto | but any major new feature would do | 08:27 |
| sisto | *will | 08:27 |
| sisto | I've just read about hsdpa. ok that's big | 08:29 |
| sisto | I would love to have opengl on the upcoming tablet | 08:29 |
| sisto | hopefully they'll stick it in | 08:30 |
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| sisto | it would be nice if instead of being an internet tablet it was more like an all purpose device | 08:31 |
| sisto | and have better support for multimedia and games | 08:31 |
| sisto | faster video acceleration would cover those two points | 08:32 |
| johnx_ | sisto: it will have those things and a 5 mega pixel camera | 08:34 |
| GAN800 | ~rx-51 | 08:35 |
| infobot | hmm... rx-51 is http://maemo.org/community/council/community_highlights_for_december_2008-part_i-january_2009-part_ii/ http://www.linuxdevices.com/news/NS9093153240.html | 08:35 |
| sisto | johnx_: are you kidding me? | 08:35 |
| sisto | that's awesome | 08:35 |
| johnx_ | yeah, GPS+decent camera+celluar inet connection= lots of cool projects to do | 08:36 |
| Macer | johnx_: :) | 08:37 |
| Macer | you realize | 08:37 |
| Macer | you guys are going to get a hold of one of those things | 08:37 |
| Macer | and forget about mer | 08:37 |
| Macer | haha | 08:37 |
| Stskeeps | neat, http://www.mobilecrunch.com/2009/05/24/exclusive-everything-there-is-to-know-about-nokias-next-tablet/ | 08:37 |
| johnx_ | Macer: still haven't forgotten about my zaurus :) | 08:38 |
| johnx_ | Macer: also, who says I'll be running maemo 5 on the rx-51 | 08:38 |
| Macer | how does it feel being the last one? :-D | 08:38 |
| Macer | haha | 08:38 |
| thux | Stskeeps: is it true that .dk is bicycle friendly country where almost everybody use bicycle? | 08:38 |
| Macer | johnx_: you don't really know what to expect on maemo 5.. you might be stuck with it for a while | 08:38 |
| Stskeeps | thux: quite a lot of people do | 08:38 |
| thux | cool | 08:39 |
| Macer | go green! | 08:39 |
| Stskeeps | (you people want to see the url i just posted) | 08:39 |
| Stskeeps | even though there's nothing -that- new | 08:39 |
| Macer | ironically enough. all those people riding bikes probably shop at stores for their food | 08:39 |
| johnx_ | Macer: we know verywhat's in maemo 5. we've been basing mer on it for a while now :) | 08:39 |
| thux | just red about .dk bicycling in newspaper | 08:39 |
| Macer | so technically the bikes are also run from fossil fuels even if people are riding them | 08:39 |
| Macer | johnx_: until you get a hold of the hardware tho.. ;) | 08:40 |
| Macer | you never know what to expect | 08:40 |
| Macer | so in a way you're doing it all with one eye open | 08:40 |
| johnx_ | Macer: hmm? I am looking forward to new hardware, but mer is pretty cross platform... | 08:40 |
| thux | but from here .fi you have to drive through .se to get in .dk and newspaper said that .se isn't bicycle friendly :P | 08:40 |
| Macer | that it is.. and i'm sure you have worked hard for that.. but.... | 08:41 |
| Macer | how many people run windows 3.11 on an i7 :) | 08:41 |
| Macer | although i'm sure you will have a good base to work with | 08:41 |
| Macer | kind of like when you have a 2 bedroom apartment... you fill it up with furniture.... | 08:42 |
| Macer | then move to a 4 story townhouse and realize you really don't have much since there is so much more space to work with | 08:42 |
| johnx_ | Macer: Mer uses the Maemo 5 versions of most software you know... | 08:42 |
| johnx_ | only the WM is different | 08:43 |
| Stskeeps | i'd run mer on my rx-51 :ÆP | 08:43 |
| Stskeeps | hm | 08:43 |
| Macer | heh.. i'm just saying | 08:43 |
| Stskeeps | how big is the current tablet screen, 4.3"? | 08:43 |
| Macer | you will find that after you fill up the n800.. the new tablet is going to open up a lot of space | 08:43 |
| johnx_ | 4.3" on the N800 and 4.1" (?) on the N810 I think | 08:43 |
| Macer | that will require much more work | 08:43 |
| Stskeeps | johnx_: hm, i wonder why 3.5" in the leaked info | 08:44 |
| johnx_ | Stskeeps: to pull it down to phone size | 08:44 |
| Macer | is it possible to hook up a usb keyboard onto an n800s usb port? | 08:44 |
| Stskeeps | some of the specs are a bit awkward | 08:44 |
| johnx_ | I already suspected 3.5" based on the LCD part number | 08:44 |
| Stskeeps | such as 1320 mAh battery | 08:44 |
| Stskeeps | no mention of bluetooth, fm tx/rx etc | 08:44 |
| johnx_ | if it doesn't have bluetooth I will be completely confused | 08:45 |
| Macer | haha | 08:45 |
| johnx_ | and 1320 is only slightly less than we have currently, isn't it? | 08:45 |
| Stskeeps | 2000mAh | 08:45 |
| Stskeeps | er | 08:45 |
| Stskeeps | yeah | 08:45 |
| Stskeeps | true, it is | 08:45 |
| Stskeeps | 1500 mAh or something | 08:45 |
| Stskeeps | still, 32gb internal storage sounds neat | 08:45 |
| RST38h | So, gentlemen, have you all been salivating at that leaked N900 data? =) | 08:46 |
| Macer | how big is base maemo5? | 08:46 |
| Stskeeps | RST38h: in progress, but it seems to be lacking | 08:46 |
| Stskeeps | Macer: not that big | 08:46 |
| johnx_ | RST38h: knew most of it already | 08:46 |
| johnx_ | nice to have my guess on screen size confirmed :> | 08:46 |
| johnx_ | also nice to see what looks like t-mobile (US) friendly 3G (woo!) | 08:47 |
| RST38h | johnx: yes but they have got an image! | 08:47 |
| Macer | heh | 08:47 |
| Stskeeps | RST38h: eh, i only see a render | 08:47 |
| Macer | you sure that is a real image? | 08:47 |
| johnx_ | RST38h: it looks like vector art I do while trying to follow a gimp tutorial | 08:48 |
| Macer | haha | 08:48 |
| Stskeeps | Cellular voice or VOIP both supported | 08:48 |
| Stskeeps | hah, knew it | 08:48 |
| Macer | woah | 08:48 |
| RST38h | johnx: They say they had to render it by hand being afraid of watermarks in the original images | 08:48 |
| Macer | now that's awesome | 08:48 |
| RST38h | NO DPAD THOUGH | 08:48 |
| Macer | Stskeeps: what about tmob support? :) | 08:48 |
| Stskeeps | Macer: read the article about that | 08:48 |
| * RST38h cries, weeps, starts scaling walls whle tearing his hair out | 08:48 | |
| johnx_ | makes me feel happy about my pandora order actually | 08:49 |
| Macer | # T-Mobile USA: August/September 2009 | 08:49 |
| Macer | woah | 08:49 |
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| Macer | ok. i'm impressed | 08:49 |
| johnx_ | lots of battery, full sized USB, nice big screen, and a ... D-pad | 08:49 |
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| Macer | hm | 08:50 |
| Macer | looking for the price | 08:50 |
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| |R | so uhm no GPS ? | 08:50 |
| RST38h | 256MB RAM, good | 08:50 |
| RST38h | Macer: $700. | 08:50 |
| johnx_ | with 256MB of RAM, mer will fly, I kind of bet maemo 5 is gonna be a bit sluggish | 08:50 |
| Macer | ouch! | 08:50 |
| Macer | 700?! :) | 08:50 |
| RST38h | They all start at $700 nowadays :) | 08:51 |
| Macer | well that won't last long | 08:51 |
| Macer | but looking at the gigabyte atom thing that looks like a clone | 08:51 |
| RST38h | July-September, heh | 08:51 |
| Macer | of an n900.... :) | 08:51 |
| Macer | er.. n800 | 08:51 |
| Macer | n810 (damnit) | 08:51 |
| Stskeeps | RST38h: back to yghb and so on as dpad ;) | 08:51 |
| RST38h | Shit, why no DPAD? =( | 08:51 |
| Macer | i suppose they do price things like that | 08:51 |
| RST38h | will be smaller than N810 too... | 08:52 |
| * johnx_ does the pandora dance, wonders if it might ship the same year as the n900 | 08:52 | |
| RST38h | johnx: You mentioned something about screen size, is it smaller than N810? | 08:52 |
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| Stskeeps | i wonder if this phone mentioned is rx-51 or rx-71 | 08:52 |
| RST38h | what phone? | 08:53 |
| sisto | it's a lot smaller than the n810 | 08:53 |
| johnx_ | RST38h: the leak calls the n900 as having a 3.5" screen | 08:53 |
| sisto | neat | 08:53 |
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| johnx_ | based on sony part numbers turned up on the web, that looks accurate | 08:53 |
| |R | i think i'll like the new format better than an n810 | 08:54 |
| johnx_ | though I could never find that specific part number mentioned inthe kernel, it certainly seems to fall closely in the lineup | 08:54 |
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| RST38h | johnx: What is n810 screen size? | 08:55 |
| Stskeeps | RST38h: after trying fremantle stuff on non-dpad machines i can understand why they did away with it and sized the tablet down though | 08:55 |
| |R | RST38h: 4.1" | 08:55 |
| Stskeeps | as it's fully navigatable without | 08:55 |
| sisto | what they say might be a proximity sensor could also be the light sensor | 08:55 |
| Stskeeps | sisto: it's most likely the light sensor | 08:56 |
| RST38h | Here goes ebook reading.... | 08:56 |
| RST38h | Sts: Can't play games without dpad. | 08:56 |
| RST38h | Sts: Does not matter how navigatable it is. | 08:57 |
| |R | wasd ? | 08:57 |
| sisto | yeah we'll miss the d-pad | 08:57 |
| inz | hjkl? | 08:57 |
| |R | hehe :) | 08:57 |
| sisto | or not | 08:58 |
| sisto | we'll have to see | 08:58 |
| RST38h | Smaller display definitely isn't good. Hopefully, it is some kind of mistake | 08:58 |
| johnx_ | RST38h: I'm gonna bet no mistake. | 08:59 |
| |R | is it a (what's that iPhone screen tech name again?) screen ? | 08:59 |
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| RST38h | johnx: yea, betting on the worst outcome has never failed me too. | 09:00 |
| sisto | multitouch? | 09:00 |
| |R | transductive or something like that? | 09:01 |
| sisto | i'm betting for smaller screen considering the device itself is a lot smaller | 09:01 |
| sisto | capacitive? | 09:01 |
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| johnx_ | RST38h: well, in the kernel is an LCD name, and on parts sites are similar names that refer to transflective 3.5" displays | 09:01 |
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| johnx_ | BTW, I was right that Nokia would find a way to make the D-pad worse than the N810 :> | 09:01 |
| |R | sisto: probably :) | 09:03 |
| sisto | it's very similar to the n97 | 09:04 |
| Stskeeps | what are the n97 launch dates again? if they line up, that's frightening :P | 09:04 |
| sisto | except the n97's specs are a lot lower | 09:04 |
| sisto | I hope Nokia does a good job marketing the n900 | 09:05 |
| RST38h | johnx: hehe | 09:05 |
| luke-jr | I hope SmartQ puts out a model w/ keyboard so I don't need to consider a N900 | 09:05 |
| RST38h | johnx: right now, all things point out that I will end up with a 5800 or its successor as my main device | 09:06 |
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| |R | Can the N900 really be cell phone data only or is adding voice just a software (ofono) issue? | 09:06 |
| johnx_ | RST38h: that would be a bummer to a lot of us that would love the hell out of your emulators on faster hardware | 09:06 |
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| RST38h | johnx: well, if Nokia gives me developer discount, I will port all these | 09:07 |
| johnx_ | |R: I'm thinking phone capabilities were always a part of it, but Nokia didn't want to tip their hand | 09:07 |
| RST38h | johnx: By "main device" I mean something I carry daily | 09:07 |
| johnx_ | I also assume that "main device" would see more dev time though ;) | 09:08 |
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| |R | johnx_: hopefully :) | 09:08 |
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| RST38h | johnx: All my stuff is portable | 09:08 |
| sisto | was the accelerometer confirmed? | 09:08 |
| RST38h | johnx: Most changes happen to the portable core code | 09:08 |
| sisto | i guess it's just a rumor for now | 09:08 |
| Stskeeps | sisto: yeah, MCE states that | 09:09 |
| Stskeeps | it doesn't work without an accelerometer to tell it | 09:09 |
| RST38h | all right, work time. | 09:09 |
| RST38h | poor little E70 has got sick dpad but I can still use it for IRC =) | 09:09 |
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| |R | I wonder if the device will be able to run I2P | 09:10 |
| sisto | Stskeeps: MCE? | 09:11 |
| Stskeeps | .. machine control entity | 09:12 |
| Stskeeps | i gotta run to the bus though | 09:12 |
| sisto | thx | 09:12 |
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| Timix | I'am new user on maemo garage. we have a little project in there. I would like to know where I can get an address to my project folders for subversion control. | 09:15 |
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| rm_you | wow, failing at figuring out how to get GPS location, thought it was supposed to be really easy >_< | 09:45 |
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| Jaffa | http://www.mobilecrunch.com/2009/05/24/exclusive-everything-there-is-to-know-about-nokias-next-tablet/ has some things which make it sound reasonable | 09:52 |
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| * Jaffa reads the scrollback a little. | 09:56 | |
| Jaffa | Hmm, much smaller than an N810 but significantly thicker. | 09:56 |
| Jaffa | Heh, "Nokia intends... Jaiku/Twitter app called 'Mauku'" | 09:57 |
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| johnx | nice to have independent confirmation, but ... they could have written this whole article from one itt/t.m.o thread | 10:01 |
| Sts|office | mm, i love work sometimes | 10:04 |
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| Sts|office | "we need this debian package updated, and these rootfs's made" | 10:04 |
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| aquatix | hm, 3.5" touchscreen for that n900? | 10:47 |
| Corsac | seems si | 10:48 |
| Corsac | so | 10:48 |
| aquatix | hm | 10:49 |
| aquatix | that's 0.7" smaller than the n810 right? | 10:50 |
| aquatix | :/ | 10:50 |
| johnx | a little smaller than the zaurus clamshells | 10:51 |
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| johnx | it's not *that* small | 10:51 |
| johnx | hey wazd :) | 10:51 |
| wazd | hola everybody! | 10:51 |
| wazd | http://www.engadget.com/2009/05/25/nokias-n810-successor-coming-later-this-year-with-3g-and-maemo/ | 10:51 |
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| mavhc | if your n800/n810 broke today, what would you do? | 10:53 |
| Stskeeps | ask for donations | 10:54 |
| Stskeeps | :P | 10:54 |
| wazd | mavhc: it won't :) | 10:54 |
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| RST38h | wazd: Yea. No dpad. Smaller screen. | 10:55 |
| wazd | RST38h: wait what?) | 10:56 |
| wazd | RST38h: why smaller screen?( | 10:56 |
| wazd | aaaw | 10:56 |
| wazd | missed that row( | 10:56 |
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| Stskeeps | the specs don't seem complete though | 10:57 |
| johnx | some things we can take for granted | 10:58 |
| mavhc | I don't see them going with a smaller screen | 10:58 |
| johnx | I don't think anyone would release a smartphone without gps and bt at this point | 10:58 |
| johnx | mavhc: bet you dollars to donuts it's 3.5" | 10:58 |
| mavhc | how much are donuts? | 10:59 |
| johnx | like 50c to 75c here | 11:00 |
| johnx | and they taste better than money anyways | 11:00 |
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| mavhc | money can be exchanged for goods and services | 11:02 |
| johnx | donuts can do *overly emphatic wink* | 11:02 |
| johnx | s/do/too/ | 11:03 |
| infobot | johnx meant: toonuts can do *overly emphatic wink* | 11:03 |
| johnx | fail | 11:03 |
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| Macer | lol omg | 11:11 |
| Macer | house of the dead overkill's intro made me just bust out laughing | 11:11 |
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| Macer | it was like a sam l jackson moment | 11:11 |
| Macer | "he'll cut your balls" "i'm gonna cut your motha fuckin balls!" | 11:12 |
| Macer | it was like the mexican preview in grindhouse | 11:12 |
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| Sho_ | so I assume http://www.mobilecrunch.com/2009/05/24/exclusive-everything-there-is-to-know-about-nokias-next-tablet/ is already the talk of the town | 11:49 |
| Stskeeps | yeah | 11:49 |
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| aquatix | yep | 11:50 |
| aquatix | but if it's real, and thus a phone, i might just want it :) | 11:50 |
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| Stskeeps | nothing new honestly though | 11:50 |
| Stskeeps | except for the obvious phone-ness | 11:51 |
| RST38h | too phoney, indeed | 11:51 |
| Stskeeps | well there's talk of rx-51 and rx-71 so | 11:51 |
| Sho_ | Yeah, screen's too small | 11:51 |
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| Sho_ | 3.5" (vs. 4.1" for the N810) | 11:52 |
| Stskeeps | on the other hand | 11:52 |
| Sho_ | Same screen res, but physiclaly smaller | 11:52 |
| Stskeeps | a maemophone? | 11:52 |
| aquatix | screen is too small for a tablet, but if it's a phone, the whole thing becomes more... phoney | 11:52 |
| aquatix | Stskeeps: yep :) | 11:52 |
| * aquatix likes | 11:52 | |
| RST38h | Maybe if it is indeed a phone, I can carry it instead of a phone... | 11:54 |
| Sho_ | hm well, my primary application for the N810 has actually been reading, so I'm unhappy about the smaller screen | 11:55 |
| Stskeeps | Sho_: i still think there'll be multiple models | 11:55 |
| johnxx | I'm betting 3.5" will represent the biggest screen though | 11:55 |
| rm_you | i need a phone... O_o | 11:55 |
| RST38h | Sho: Same here | 11:55 |
| RST38h | johnx: Biggest among what? | 11:56 |
| johnxx | I bet the rx-51 with a 3.5" screen represents the biggest physical screen size of the maemo 5 lineup | 11:56 |
| * johnxx will bump the font size and cope | 11:56 | |
| * RST38h wonders if this screen will be well protected | 11:56 | |
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| RST38h | N800 and N810 have exposed screens that are difficult to clean and scary to touch | 11:57 |
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| johnxx | and yet, my n800 is just fine after more than two years of banging on it | 11:57 |
| RST38h | My N810 protector is all scratched now | 11:57 |
| rm_you | gphone has exposed screen and has not had any problems afaict, same with 99% of phones with open screens | 11:58 |
| RST38h | BTW, why so many people complain about supposed carrier lockin of N900? Who said anything abut carrier lockin? | 11:58 |
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| RST38h | rm_you: 5800 has protected screen, feels way better | 11:58 |
| johnxx | well, judging from t-mobile's past I find it hard to believe that the t-mobile branded version will actually have all the features enabled out of the gate | 11:59 |
| johnxx | RST38h, is it capacitive? | 11:59 |
| RST38h | johnx: nope | 11:59 |
| johnxx | huh, just a harder plastic? | 11:59 |
| RST38h | just covered with cheap sturdy plastic | 11:59 |
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| RST38h | Nokia's cheaper generic line of devices is actually way better built than N-series devices (and E-series too lately) | 12:00 |
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| atharva | hi friend s i m tring to run gui appliication in scratchbox .. I tried to start xephyr from command line outside srcatchbox but it is giving error : Could not init font path element /usr/share/fonts/X11/cyrillic, removing from list! | 12:01 |
| atharva | please help me how to resolve it | 12:01 |
| johnxx | that should just be a warning | 12:01 |
| johnxx | does it crash? | 12:01 |
| RST38h | that's a warning | 12:01 |
| atharva | no | 12:01 |
| RST38h | then ignore it | 12:01 |
| atharva | but when i run gtkhelloworld it says problems with font | 12:02 |
| atharva | Could not init font path element /usr/share/fonts/X11/cyrillic, removing from list! | 12:02 |
| atharva | sorry the error isNo fonts found; this probably means that the fontconfig | 12:02 |
| atharva | library is not correctly configured. You may need to | 12:02 |
| atharva | edit the fonts.conf configuration file. More information | 12:02 |
| atharva | about fontconfig can be found in the fontconfig(3) manual | 12:02 |
| atharva | what's the problem? | 12:03 |
| Corsac | maybe fontconfig library is not correctly configured? | 12:04 |
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| atharva | do i hv to configure it inside scratchbox? | 12:06 |
| RST38h | atharva: this directory is supposed to contain cyrillic X11 fonts | 12:06 |
| RST38h | atharva: Unless you are trying to use cyrillic fonts, you can safely ignore the warning | 12:06 |
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| atharva | ok thanks i will try again | 12:07 |
| atharva | :) | 12:07 |
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| danielwilms | atharva: this warning is a xephyr thing...here are some hints to get rid of it...haven't tested it by myself though | 12:08 |
| danielwilms | http://www.debianhelp.org/node/1218 | 12:08 |
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| ifvoid | hello! | 12:09 |
| danielwilms | but it shouldnt be a problem in general as the others said | 12:09 |
| ifvoid | how do I find out which Maemo version is running on my N800? | 12:09 |
| RST38h | Install cyrillic fonts or remove path from config file | 12:09 |
| RST38h | And you will get rid of it | 12:09 |
| atharva | ok thanks guys | 12:10 |
| johnxx | ifvoid, main menu -> settings -> control panel -> about | 12:10 |
| amr | is it normal for the n810s screen to stay on after i've switched it to lock? | 12:10 |
| ifvoid | johnxx: yeah, that says "unknown" | 12:10 |
| amr | like my 770 used to turn off the screen | 12:10 |
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| amr | its like the backlight is still on very very very faintly | 12:11 |
| aquatix | amr: it stays on for a little bit, then switches off here | 12:11 |
| amr | hmm, mine didn't | 12:11 |
| amr | i've just had it away for a few hours | 12:11 |
| aquatix | it should :/ | 12:11 |
| aquatix | odd | 12:11 |
| johnxx | ifvoid, I think that was a bug in an older version, so I can probably say "you don't have the latest version" | 12:11 |
| amr | maybe a reboot would help | 12:11 |
| johnxx | amr, is it plugged in to power? | 12:11 |
| amr | no | 12:11 |
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| ifvoid | johnxx: isn't there an other way to check (from the command lien for example)? | 12:12 |
| amr | its just been charged | 12:12 |
| amr | the procedure to put it away for a bit is just simply to slide the lock button, isn't it? | 12:12 |
| amr | and put it in that sleeve if you want | 12:12 |
| johnxx | ifvoid, apt-cache policy osso-software-version-rx34 | 12:13 |
| amr | when i slide the lock, it says touch screen & keys locked, the backlight dims and it looks like its off | 12:13 |
| amr | but if i hold it under my desk, you can tell the backlight is still on | 12:13 |
| amr | very faintly, but still there | 12:13 |
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| ifvoid | johnxx: that package doesn't exist | 12:16 |
| amr | hmmms | 12:16 |
| amr | most puzzlin | 12:16 |
| amr | g | 12:16 |
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| johnxx | ifvoid, might explain the <unknown> then | 12:17 |
| johnxx | is it just saying "installed: (none)" or is it really saying something like no such package? | 12:17 |
| johnxx | errr, oops | 12:18 |
| johnxx | n810, right | 12:18 |
| johnxx | try this: apt-cache policy osso-software-version-rx44 | 12:18 |
| johnxx | (44 instead of 34) | 12:18 |
| johnxx | 34 is the n800 ;) | 12:18 |
| rm_you | hrm | 12:19 |
| rm_you | punching through my firewall from this side could be difficult... | 12:19 |
| amr | johnxx, who is that for? | 12:19 |
| johnxx | amr, it's for ifvoid | 12:19 |
| amr | my bad | 12:19 |
| rm_you | need to poke a hole for mysql and can't get any commandline browser to work on my router's conf page (w3m, elinks, links2) | 12:20 |
| rm_you | suggestions? | 12:20 |
| * lcuk wakes | 12:20 | |
| amr | hello lcuk, solve my sleeping issue :p | 12:20 |
| johnxx | rm_you, no ideas. why are you stuck in the CLI? | 12:20 |
| rm_you | currently trying to install X and firefox on my server to use firefox over ssh X forwarding >_> | 12:20 |
| johnxx | why not forward an ssh port and tunnel in | 12:20 |
| lcuk | you cant sleep amr? | 12:20 |
| johnxx | amr, in the display section, try setting dim and turn off to be the same number (ie, both 1 minute) | 12:21 |
| rm_you | johnxx: my server does not as of yet have any graphical anything | 12:21 |
| johnxx | rm_you, <johnxx> why not forward an ssh port and tunnel in | 12:21 |
| amr | lcuk, my tablet cant :P | 12:21 |
| rm_you | johnxx: tunnel what in? | 12:21 |
| amr | johnxx, ill try that now | 12:21 |
| rm_you | johnxx: vnc? still requires X? | 12:22 |
| amr | right, lets see if that works | 12:22 |
| johnxx | nope, just uses it like a cheap vpn so you can use your desktop browser | 12:22 |
| amr | thats probs why my battery is only lasting just a day :p | 12:22 |
| amr | and it worked, you bloody star johnxx | 12:23 |
| amr | thanks :) | 12:23 |
| johnxx | amr, cool beans :) | 12:23 |
| johnxx | it still should be timing out after a while though and actually turning off the backlight | 12:23 |
| johnxx | might be hard to tell on the n810 since the screen is transflective | 12:23 |
| amr | yeah, i set dim to be 10 secs, off to be 30 | 12:23 |
| amr | ill try it normally now | 12:23 |
| rm_you | eh got midori running over X11 forwarding :) | 12:24 |
| amr | yep :) woowoo | 12:24 |
| johnxx | yay. everyone's happy | 12:24 |
| * johnxx sleeps | 12:24 | |
| lcuk | amr, take the battery out :) | 12:25 |
| atharva | hi friends , I am runnign xephyr outside sracthbox , and then i m trying to execute command "run-standalone.sh ./example_hildonprogram" . Now i m getting this msg "AF Warning: '/etc/osso-af-init/keyboard.defs' not found AF Warning: '/etc/osso-af-init/sdl.defs' not found" plz help | 12:25 |
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| amr | lcuk, heh :p | 12:26 |
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| rm_you | johnxx: ok so i think i have a better idea | 12:26 |
| johnxx | rm_you, then letting me get some sleep? :P let's hear it | 12:27 |
| rm_you | johnxx: curl is easier to use and lighter weight that mysql, i'll just write up some quick PHP pages to do the submit and pull | 12:27 |
| rm_you | and use CURL tabletside | 12:27 |
| rm_you | easier for everyone | 12:27 |
| johnxx | <_< | 12:27 |
| Stskeeps | do i dare to ask what you're working on? :P | 12:27 |
| rm_you | yes? no? :P | 12:27 |
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| atharva | :( | 12:28 |
| lcuk | web 2.0 advanced backlight with remote dimming using AJAX :p | 12:28 |
| rm_you | :P | 12:28 |
| johnxx | Stskeeps, a little app that displays your location on a map as well as the location of other people | 12:29 |
| johnxx | emphasis on quick, easy and lightweight | 12:29 |
| Stskeeps | ah | 12:29 |
| Stskeeps | neat | 12:29 |
| RST38h | atharva: Please, stop asking us about all these warnings | 12:29 |
| Stskeeps | for cph? ;) | 12:29 |
| rm_you | and their status... and also hopefully on-the-fly shared POIs | 12:29 |
| rm_you | yes | 12:29 |
| RST38h | atharva: Only complain if your app does not work | 12:29 |
| Stskeeps | hehe | 12:30 |
| amr | that sounds cool rm_you | 12:30 |
| RST38h | Because yes, Scratchbox is a bitch, and it complains like a bitch, and it is broken | 12:30 |
| johnxx | rm_you, though, if you're going to do that you might as well use the jabber xml format for location info | 12:30 |
| atharva | it is not working RST38h | 12:30 |
| * johnxx is really sleeping now, won't respond anymore | 12:30 | |
| RST38h | atharva: Then what is the error message? | 12:30 |
| rm_you | this still won't require jabber though <_< | 12:30 |
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| amr | there need to be more pretty apps | 12:31 |
| amr | and easy to use :p | 12:31 |
| atharva | i dont understand which is error n which is warning | 12:31 |
| amr | ive noticed lots of great programming & ideas | 12:31 |
| amr | just their interfaces are u-g-l-y | 12:31 |
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| atharva | is this error or warning ? "/home/atharva/.osso/current-gtk-key-theme:1: Unable to find include file: "keybindings.rc" | 12:32 |
| atharva | ? | 12:32 |
| rm_you | amr: many programmers are not artists, and take a functional over aesthetic approach to GUI design | 12:33 |
| rm_you | also, some are just complete retards when it comes to UI design in general, and can't even achieve a functional UI regardless of aesthetic T_T | 12:34 |
| RST38h | Ehehehe | 12:34 |
| RST38h | N76 is back with a vengeance | 12:35 |
| lcuk | you can also get an evolutionary design coming out of nowhere :P | 12:35 |
| * RST38h finds it ironic how Nokia is occupying poor Motorola's niche now | 12:36 | |
| wazd | everything properly functional is always aeshetic | 12:36 |
| wazd | I don't know anything that worked like a charm but looked shitty | 12:37 |
| amr | its a shame that so many potentially good things are let down by a god awful UI | 12:37 |
| amr | youd have thought with the tablet being an on-the-go type of device that design would be pretty important to everyone | 12:38 |
| RST38h | wazd: aluminium crates used to carre milk packs back in .SU | 12:38 |
| RST38h | s/carre/carry | 12:38 |
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| RST38h | wazd: were ugly like shit, worked like a charm | 12:39 |
| lcuk | wazd \o hi, have you seen the new video | 12:39 |
| wazd | lcuk: heya, nope :) | 12:39 |
| wazd | RST38h: well, .su design school is an exception xD | 12:40 |
| wazd | RST38h: Some mutation or something :) | 12:40 |
| lcuk | oooh you are in for a treat then :D | 12:40 |
| lcuk | http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vt7qB37sLLo | 12:40 |
| RST38h | wazd: That and anything made by IBM | 12:40 |
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| amr | bloody HELL its warm! | 12:45 |
| wazd | lcuk: looks impressive, awesome tech demo, still no sense for me :( | 12:46 |
| amr | anyone fancy teaching me graph theory before my exam tomorrow? | 12:47 |
| RST38h | lcuk, it really has to DO something to make sense | 12:47 |
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| lcuk | wazd, its much more than a demo, its just being built from the inside out :) there are numerous apps that it can be used for. i was speaking to vlad and he would like to see omweather in there, i can see the user pics being able to send messages its an image/media viewer its like my brain. its got a complete calendar which works just like the one on my wall... and theres about 30 plugins there already | 12:52 |
| * lcuk should make a calculator to make rst happy | 12:53 | |
| wazd | lcuk: why not just use native environment for all these apps?) | 12:55 |
| roope | craigslist looks like shit but works like a charm. :) | 12:56 |
| amr | lol | 12:56 |
| amr | same with ebay | 12:56 |
| roope | As did ICQ. and Napster. And all those back in the days. | 12:56 |
| wazd | lcuk: what's the point of having two OMW's on one device, one native and one inside liqbase?) | 12:56 |
| wazd | roope, well, I don't see any shit in ICQ) | 12:56 |
| roope | I think there's a huge number of examples of things that work like a charm but look like shit. :) | 12:57 |
| amr | canola is a nice app tho | 12:57 |
| RST38h | ICQ depends on what client you are using | 12:57 |
| amr | you can tell thought went into the design | 12:57 |
| RST38h | Their server infrastructure started like shit but it is now in much better shape | 12:57 |
| roope | well, the ICQ UI was a horrorfest back in the days. Like in 2000. | 12:58 |
| wazd | I've noticed that canola spends a lot of time to load battery and wlan status | 12:58 |
| amr | can the tablets access wpa-enterprise networks? | 12:58 |
| amr | wazd, my point was that its pretty :p | 12:59 |
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| lcuk | wazd, wouldnt there be 2 versions of omweather anyway one gtk and one clutter | 12:59 |
| wazd | lcuk: they are for different devices | 13:00 |
| lcuk | or even one flash if we look at your site | 13:00 |
| wazd | lcuk: no, no flash OMWeather :D | 13:00 |
| lcuk | but the gtk one would work on the new device wouldnt it | 13:00 |
| wazd | lcuk: I really don't see any reason to use old versions on the new hardware | 13:01 |
| lcuk | heheh :) | 13:01 |
| lcuk | so its ok to redesign something if you see the point, but not if others do ;) | 13:01 |
| wazd | lcuk: right now we're concentrated on making new version look and feel mindblowing :) | 13:01 |
| lcuk | of course, as we all are | 13:02 |
| amr | new version of what? | 13:02 |
| wazd | amr: OMWeather | 13:02 |
| amr | oic | 13:02 |
| amr | i use that :) | 13:02 |
| rm_you | i like Mer's "it's 34 degrees in helsinki" app. it satisfies all of my weather needs :) | 13:03 |
| wazd | Right now I'm working on settings menu concept | 13:05 |
| RST38h | 40 foot poster includes over 1,000 versions of 150 different types of Unix. | 13:05 |
| wazd | I want it to be usable both portrait and landscape | 13:05 |
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| rm_you | RST38h: i printed something like that four years ago and unfurled it across the entire length of the classroom for my presentation on UNIX :P | 13:05 |
| rm_you | it was very dramatic :) | 13:06 |
| RST38h | rm_you: yes but this stuff is better, it weights 10 pounds and is weatherproof =) | 13:06 |
| RST38h | You can literalyl wrap buildings in it | 13:06 |
| rm_you | lol | 13:07 |
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| rm_you | god I love opera link sooo much | 13:08 |
| rm_you | opera sync, whatever it is exactly | 13:08 |
| rm_you | <3 | 13:08 |
| thux | do somebody know will turion go to sempron socket? can i replace my sempron with turion? | 13:09 |
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| amr | quake is pretty damn cool | 13:14 |
| amr | and works surprisingly well | 13:14 |
| Stskeeps | morning timeless_mbp | 13:15 |
| timeless_mbp | 1:15pm :( | 13:15 |
| amr | if it makes you feel better it's only 11:10 in the UK :) | 13:15 |
| thux | timeless_mbp: where are you? you got same zone than .fi | 13:17 |
| timeless_mbp | HEL | 13:17 |
| timeless_mbp | for this time, there aren't many choices | 13:17 |
| timeless_mbp | i could be in .il, but that wouldn't be particularly logical | 13:17 |
| timeless_mbp | btw, /whois timeless_mbp is your friend | 13:18 |
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| Stskeeps | neat, the freerunner can act as a bluetool gps | 13:21 |
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| Stskeeps | th | 13:22 |
| thux | isn't same timezone go north to south so many possibilities where to be in every zone | 13:23 |
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| timeless_mbp | thux: technically yes, practically, no | 13:24 |
| timeless_mbp | if i'm in UTC-12 | 13:26 |
| timeless_mbp | how many major locations are actually there? | 13:26 |
| timeless_mbp | for EEST, there are very few civilized countries | 13:26 |
| amr | hmm, i installed that accounts-haze plugin | 13:27 |
| timeless_mbp | i mean, sure, i could be in Egypt (or Israel as I already mentioned), but would you think i was in Sudan? :) | 13:27 |
| amr | and added an MSN account but it still said "no accounts" mm | 13:27 |
| thux | i also thought that meizi_irkki is only other fi in this channel, but good to hear that more people from hell :) | 13:27 |
| amr | hmm* | 13:27 |
| timeless_mbp | oh there can be a bunch of us | 13:27 |
| timeless_mbp | qgil comes in at times | 13:27 |
| suihkulokki | thux: hehe | 13:27 |
| timeless_mbp | suihkulokki of course | 13:27 |
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| suihkulokki | run /who #maemo and you'll see this channel infested by people in finland | 13:29 |
| timeless_mbp | and some people from .nokia.com | 13:29 |
| timeless_mbp | which is always more disturbing | 13:29 |
| thux | suihkulokki: ok you just use exellent english i thought you are americans | 13:30 |
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| timeless_mbp | if their names are funny, they probably aren't Americans | 13:30 |
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| timeless_mbp | that said, suihkulokki's English is relatively good | 13:31 |
| jumpula | only relatively? :p | 13:31 |
| timeless_mbp | jumpula: localized compliment | 13:31 |
| jumpula | hehe | 13:32 |
| timeless_mbp | 2009-05-24 (Sunday): | 13:32 |
| timeless_mbp | suihkulokkia "accident" that makes lots of profit? | 13:32 |
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| timeless_mbp | 2009-05-24 (Sunday): <suihkulokki> a "accident" that makes lots of profit? | 13:33 |
| timeless_mbp | points for trying to use an article. but only partial credit (failure to use 'an' to match the vowel starting the following word) | 13:33 |
| timeless_mbp | jumpula: oddly a quick look shows that the only Finnish trait you have is not talking enough ;-) | 13:35 |
| thux | timeless_mbp: but you are native speaker aren't you? | 13:35 |
| timeless_mbp | thux: indeed I am | 13:35 |
| suihkulokki | bah, my english is still better than timeless_mbps finnish :P | 13:35 |
| timeless_mbp | joo | 13:35 |
| timeless_mbp | but I'd hope that you could distinguish between a native speaker and a non native speaker | 13:35 |
| timeless_mbp | whereas you said "i thought you are americans" | 13:36 |
| suihkulokki | it's easier to detect native speakers when listening, many native speakers are terrible writers | 13:36 |
| timeless_mbp | fwiw, you should have written "were Americans" (thought is past tense, so were is the proper verb for agreement, and note that in English all proper nouns are capitalized -- yes, I'm making a point of capitalizing them in these sentences.) | 13:37 |
| jumpula | how much is enough when it comes to talking? :) | 13:37 |
| timeless_mbp | suihkulokki: they are, yes, however the mistakes that Finns make are not the same as the mistakes that native speakers make | 13:38 |
| thux | true it is easier unfortunately no sound in irc yet | 13:38 |
| timeless_mbp | jumpula: to be confused for someone who isn't a Finn? | 13:38 |
| timeless_mbp | jumpula: compare the amount and length of your sentences to suihkulokki's (and yes, I'm aware he's a Finn, but I'm merely comparing wrt quietness ) | 13:40 |
| jumpula | now i'm just confused :p | 13:40 |
| suihkulokki | that's a common state for you :) | 13:41 |
| jumpula | suihkulokki could be mistaken for a native english speaker but i couldn't? | 13:41 |
| amr | ok, im trying to install rtcomm | 13:41 |
| jumpula | if i understood correctly, that is :) | 13:41 |
| amr | it errored saying it can't find telepathy-haze, i've added a few more repositories | 13:41 |
| amr | and uninstalled the old installer, which installer do i want to use? | 13:41 |
| amr | the one linked on the rtcomm.garage.maemo.org site? | 13:41 |
| timeless_mbp | jumpula: you couldn't be confused for an American because you don't talk enough | 13:42 |
| timeless_mbp | suihkulokki talks enough, but what he says almost immediately indicates he isn't a native speaker | 13:42 |
| thux | since so many from hell, local link http://www.puhelinvertailu.com/uutiset.cfm/2009/05/25/nokian_ensimmainen_maemo_kannykka_vuosi_nettiin_jo_kesalla_myyntiin | 13:42 |
| timeless_mbp | gah, stupid web site | 13:43 |
| timeless_mbp | it has a British flag | 13:43 |
| timeless_mbp | but the flag takes me to http://www.afterdawn.com/ | 13:43 |
| jumpula | you'd rather have the link take you to her majesty's home page? | 13:44 |
| amr | god save the queen | 13:44 |
| timeless_mbp | i'd rather a translation... | 13:44 |
| jumpula | :) | 13:44 |
| timeless_mbp | http://translate.google.com/translate?prev=hp&hl=en&js=n&u=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.puhelinvertailu.com%2Fuutiset.cfm%2F2009%2F05%2F25%2Fnokian_ensimmainen_maemo_kannykka_vuosi_nettiin_jo_kesalla_myyntiin&sl=fi&tl=en&history_state0= | 13:44 |
| timeless_mbp | vaguely works | 13:44 |
| timeless_mbp | oh wow, now i know someone is lying | 13:45 |
| timeless_mbp | Puhelimen ominaisuudet ovat lähes identtiset N97 :n kanssa, erona ainoastaan tarkempi näyttö ja Maemo-alusta, josta kuvissa esiintyy MobileCrunchin mukaan viides sukupolvi. | 13:46 |
| timeless_mbp | could someone contribute a better translation of that? | 13:46 |
| Stskeeps | timeless_mbp: if you see mobilecrunch that article seems 1:1 to that article | 13:46 |
| slonopotamus | uh... anyone figured out where's mac address in /dev/mtd1? :) | 13:47 |
| jumpula | the phone's features are nearly identical with N97, the differences are larger display and maemo platform from which a 5th generation is displayed in the image | 13:47 |
| Stskeeps | slonopotamus: i thought luke did? | 13:47 |
| jumpula | as there's no picture in the display in the image, the statement is a bit confusing one | 13:48 |
| thux | and for sale in summer? | 13:48 |
| jumpula | hmm. i think i did a non-native speaker mistake above :p | 13:48 |
| jumpula | on the display? | 13:49 |
| timeless_mbp | "shown" | 13:49 |
| timeless_mbp | and "picture" | 13:49 |
| Mikho_ | what's the difference between launching an application from the command line, inside maemo, and DBus launching it with the information contained in the corresponding .service file? | 13:49 |
| thux | soon is summertime then we can buy new maemo | 13:49 |
| amr | hmms, my msn account adds but doesnt connect now ive installed rtcomm | 13:49 |
| jumpula | aye, better that way | 13:49 |
| Mikho_ | why does my program work when it's launched by DBus, and never when it's run from the command line? | 13:49 |
| jumpula | thux: assuming the source is reliable | 13:50 |
| timeless_mbp | > The phone features are almost identical with N97's, the only difference between an accurate display and the Maemo platform from which the images occur MobileCrunchin the fifth generation. | 13:50 |
| timeless_mbp | is what google gave me | 13:50 |
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| amr | anyone had msn(haze) problems when using rtcomm? | 13:50 |
| timeless_mbp | which as you can tell is Garbage Out | 13:50 |
| jumpula | accurate in this case mean has a larger resolution | 13:50 |
| amr | when pressing the presence icon in the status bar i get "Disconnected, Network error" | 13:50 |
| timeless_mbp | jumpula: could you load my translate link and try to improve google's translation of the sentence? | 13:51 |
| timeless_mbp | don't fix it too much | 13:51 |
| slonopotamus | Stskeeps, btw. you said it isn't a block device. what kind of a device it is then? | 13:51 |
| amr | and with irc | 13:51 |
| amr | :( | 13:51 |
| timeless_mbp | just teach it the bit for larger resolution | 13:51 |
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| timeless_mbp | sp3000: i don't suppose you're around to grab lunch for me in advance? | 13:52 |
| jumpula | timeless_mbp: i'd have to rewrite the entire page. the translation is awful. | 13:52 |
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| jumpula | and the finnish part is bit poorly written with respect to terms used | 13:53 |
| jumpula | exact translation would be "more accurate display" like google suggests | 13:54 |
| timeless_mbp | oh | 13:54 |
| timeless_mbp | ok, then don't touch it | 13:54 |
| timeless_mbp | wow, so this article is even after the Italian article | 13:55 |
| timeless_mbp | an italian coworker pointed to it and said that's the last place to get a translation | 13:56 |
| timeless_mbp | and then he ran off to enjoy a vacation | 13:56 |
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| Mikho_ | does anyone know if DBus does anything else than execute the file specified in the service file, when it autostarts an application? | 14:00 |
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| Stskeeps | slonopotamus: mtd? :P | 14:02 |
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| RST38h | Mikho: It does | 14:23 |
| RST38h | Mikho: DBus is supposed to send your program a specific DBus message to which you have to answer. If you do not, DBus will consider your app hung and kill it off in a while | 14:24 |
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| Mikho_ | ok | 14:30 |
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| Mikho_ | how would it differ from me starting the executable from the command line? | 14:30 |
| RST38h | starting stuff from command line does not require DBus | 14:32 |
| Mikho_ | the executable does call osso_initialize properly | 14:32 |
| RST38h | In fact, you do not need to use .service file | 14:32 |
| RST38h | You canstart executables directly from .desktop file | 14:33 |
| Mikho_ | also, even if I start it from the command line, I'm able to receive dbus messages ok | 14:33 |
| Mikho_ | but still, the program doesn't work properly | 14:33 |
| Mikho_ | it won't get shut down or anything | 14:33 |
| RST38h | This is too vague description | 14:34 |
| Mikho_ | it's because I have no idea what's wrong exactly | 14:35 |
| Mikho_ | i'm just trying to find out, by first finding out how starting the program from DBus and from command line differ | 14:35 |
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| * slonopotamus wonders, wtf is 'starting the program from DBus' | 14:36 | |
| timeless_mbp | slonopotamus: technically you can | 14:37 |
| timeless_mbp | if you try to use dbus to talk to something which isn't there, dbus has provisions to make it happen | 14:37 |
| timeless_mbp | not that it's important | 14:38 |
| matzenh | hi, the maemo repository have problem? Temporary failure resolving 'repository.maemo.org' | 14:38 |
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| timeless_mbp | matzenh: wfm :) | 14:38 |
| slonopotamus | timeless_mbp, oh my. is it used in practice? | 14:38 |
| timeless_mbp | sadly | 14:38 |
| timeless_mbp | (yes) | 14:38 |
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| timeless_mbp | it's an interesting feature of the dbus "bus" design | 14:39 |
| timeless_mbp | ouch | 14:39 |
| timeless_mbp | my w7 is currently Dumping physical memory to disk: 30 | 14:39 |
| Mikho_ | somehow the two starting methods differ, and something in the commandline method causes my program to not work properly | 14:39 |
| X-Fade | matzenh: http://downforeveryoneorjustme.com/repository.maemo.org | 14:39 |
| slonopotamus | http://downforeveryoneorjustme.com/downforeveryoneorjustme.com hehe | 14:40 |
| timeless_mbp | slonopotamus: awesome | 14:41 |
| Stskeeps | X-Fade: http://downforeveryoneorjustme.com/garage.maemo.org | 14:41 |
| X-Fade | Stskeeps: That one is just slow. | 14:42 |
| Stskeeps | ah | 14:42 |
| X-Fade | Stskeeps: Very very slow. | 14:42 |
| timeless_mbp | and uses https | 14:42 |
| Stskeeps | wasn't me! ;) | 14:42 |
| timeless_mbp | and very very very slow | 14:42 |
| timeless_mbp | you sure it isn't down? | 14:42 |
| timeless_mbp | it's doing a very good impression of down | 14:42 |
| X-Fade | timeless_mbp: Yes, because I'm logged in via ssh. But it is very slow. | 14:43 |
| Stskeeps | it's crawling ;) | 14:43 |
| timeless_mbp | is it being DoS'd? | 14:43 |
| timeless_mbp | oh wow, i got the page! | 14:43 |
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| timeless_mbp | it's not quite dead yet | 14:43 |
| timeless_mbp | someone should tell Pauli Kauppinen that "New release available" is a bad news headline | 14:45 |
| timeless_mbp | New release available | 14:45 |
| timeless_mbp | Pauli Kauppinen - 2009-05-14 11:21 | 14:45 |
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| timeless_mbp | --- new release of *what*? :( | 14:45 |
| timeless_mbp | (and yes, i could _eventually_ figure it out, but it took too long) | 14:45 |
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| RST38h | EXTZV! CMPZV! INSV! | 16:13 |
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| Paavo | garage seems a bit slow today | 16:15 |
| Stskeeps | RST38h: gone mad? :P | 16:16 |
| zap | there is a burst of rumours about N900 on russian websites. Is this related to something real, or it's just rumours? | 16:16 |
| Stskeeps | zap: http://www.mobilecrunch.com/2009/05/24/exclusive-everything-there-is-to-know-about-nokias-next-tablet/ | 16:17 |
| zap | omg, is this a real photo or just a 3D design? | 16:17 |
| jaska | if thats a photo i am jebus | 16:18 |
| Stskeeps | 3d rendering | 16:18 |
| Stskeeps | :P | 16:18 |
| aquatix | that's a 3D design they did themselves | 16:18 |
| Stskeeps | based on alleged photos | 16:18 |
| aquatix | as they couldn't publish the images from the documents | 16:18 |
| zap | the keyboard is awful | 16:18 |
| * aquatix misses the dpad | 16:18 | |
| Stskeeps | recall that that is probably a rx34 | 16:19 |
| jaska | o.O no d-pad? | 16:19 |
| zap | I wonder how one is supposed to play games on it | 16:19 |
| Stskeeps | err | 16:19 |
| Stskeeps | rx71 | 16:19 |
| zap | buy a wiimote : | 16:19 |
| jaska | wasd?:P | 16:19 |
| RST38h | Sts: Just invoking the spirit of VAX | 16:22 |
| RST38h | zap: They could not post photos | 16:22 |
| RST38h | zap: Saying that photos may be watermarked | 16:22 |
| RST38h | zap: 3.5" screen instead of 4.3" | 16:23 |
| RST38h | zap: So book reading is also kinda problematic | 16:23 |
| zap | yes, downsize is questionable solution | 16:23 |
| zap | on other hand, I'll be able to throw out my phone at last, and use just one device instead of two | 16:23 |
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| * aquatix has read books on 2.8" :) | 16:24 | |
| RST38h | zap: IF it is a full phone | 16:24 |
| aquatix | zap: yep | 16:24 |
| * RST38h read books on E70 but it does not mean a thing | 16:24 | |
| zap | and much less problems with finding screen film for it | 16:24 |
| RST38h | heh | 16:24 |
| RST38h | zap: I secretly hope they covered the screen 5800-style | 16:25 |
| aquatix | i love reading books on my n810 though | 16:25 |
| zap | look at N95/96, they aren't | 16:25 |
| zap | to read books you can buy a plastic Frenel lens :) | 16:25 |
| aquatix | RST38h: wel, they say it looks a lot like the n97, which - i think - uses the same protection as the 5800 | 16:25 |
| RST38h | aquatix: Not guaranteed given that N97 is N-series | 16:26 |
| aquatix | zap: i read at my sony ericsson m600i; not much text at once on the screen, but it has a jogdial, which is awesome for scrolling/reading | 16:26 |
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| aquatix | RST38h: hm | 16:26 |
| RST38h | aquatix: 5800 looks kinda cheap in comparison but once you start using it, it feels way better than fragile N-stuff | 16:26 |
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| RST38h | Hehe, FBReader guys will finally have to implement autoscrolling :))) | 16:27 |
| RST38h | Tie it up to the tilt sensor or something | 16:27 |
| aquatix | heh | 16:28 |
| * aquatix doesn't really like autoscrolling | 16:28 | |
| * zap secretly hopes that N900 will have more controls accessible without sliding out the keyboard | 16:28 | |
| aquatix | but that's personal | 16:28 |
| aquatix | zap: yeah | 16:28 |
| aquatix | zap: at least some dpad-like thing | 16:29 |
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| zap | judging by 3d model, there isn't any :( | 16:29 |
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| aquatix | that'd suck majorly | 16:29 |
| aquatix | but the n97 has some dpad-like thing in a corner | 16:29 |
| wazd | news bout 3.5" screen suck | 16:30 |
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| Stskeeps | wazd: well if you are doing clever marketing, you release a phone first, then the tablet version | 16:30 |
| Stskeeps | (we do have rx-51 and rx-71) | 16:31 |
| Stskeeps | the phone they talk about sounds like a rx-71 | 16:31 |
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| wazd | Stskeeps: I still don't think that it would be a phone | 16:43 |
| wazd | Cause why Intel and Nokia would develop linux phone stack if Nokia already have one?) | 16:43 |
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| doc|work | wazd: nokia owns maemo, qte and symbian | 16:45 |
| wazd | doc|work: thanks Cap :D | 16:46 |
| doc|work | wazd: sorry, just saying, redundancy doesn't seem to bother them too much | 16:46 |
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| wazd | doc|work: well, I think they have just enough stuff to support all of their various hardware | 16:47 |
| wazd | doc|work: Nokia doesnt own Bentley, Manchester United and McDonalds :) | 16:48 |
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| doc|work | I think you might have missed my point :) | 16:49 |
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| mavhc | I'd assume they'd make s60 their entry level phones, and maemo their new smartphone | 16:54 |
| inz | I hope they killall S60 and linux everything ;) | 16:55 |
| inz | (I'm sure there are full pleothra of 3rd parties that would die because of that, but nevermind them. | 16:55 |
| inz | +) | 16:56 |
| mavhc | you just transition, old entry level phones die, smartphones become entry level, new smartphones appear | 16:56 |
| fiferboy | lbt: ping | 16:56 |
| fiferboy | Hey wazd | 16:56 |
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| aquatix | mavhc: no, not new smartphones, multimedia/pocket computers ;) | 16:57 |
| inz | mavhc, but I want S60 dead. now. ;) | 16:58 |
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| aquatix | symbian^2 then? | 16:58 |
| mavhc | why? | 16:58 |
| inz | mavhc, because any Symbian code makes my want to cleanse my eyes... ...with sandpaper | 16:59 |
| inz | mavhc, and I don't want to | 16:59 |
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| mavhc | ignore it? | 17:00 |
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| inz | mavhc, I've coded in symbian "C++" once, it will haunt me for the rest of my life... ;) | 17:08 |
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| lbt | fiferboy: pong | 17:11 |
| fiferboy | lbt: How's it going? | 17:11 |
| lbt | not bad... checked in the branch to gitorious | 17:11 |
| lbt | and building locally under qemu | 17:12 |
| fiferboy | I am going to text using Fremantl SDK to see if it looks okay, but I have to start a Qt rebuild | 17:12 |
| fiferboy | That might take a while. If there are any changes I will send them to you or check them into git. | 17:13 |
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| luke-jr | fiferboy: how do you get Qt to build? | 17:18 |
| fiferboy | luke-jr: Check out the source, mv either "debian.diablo" or "debian.fremantle" to "debian" then "dpkg -rfakeroot -nc -b" and wait six days | 17:19 |
| Stskeeps | 4 works too | 17:19 |
| Stskeeps | :P | 17:19 |
| luke-jr | fiferboy: don't want to use Debian/Mer, just want to build Qt w/o running out of RAM :p | 17:20 |
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| fiferboy | I'm building in scratchbox using a virtualbox session on an extremely underpowered laptop | 17:20 |
| luke-jr | o | 17:21 |
| luke-jr | cross-compiling | 17:21 |
| fiferboy | I have never waited long enough for it to complete (if it does complete with this setup), but I just need one .so file less than halfway through the build | 17:21 |
| luke-jr | <.< | 17:21 |
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| lbt | luke-jr: that's how I do it for Diablo too... you can add -j<n> too if you have multiple cores | 17:26 |
| luke-jr | afaik, the N810 has only one core | 17:26 |
| lbt | you want to build Qt on the tablet | 17:27 |
| luke-jr | yep | 17:27 |
| lbt | sure | 17:27 |
| lbt | make sure you have some swap | 17:27 |
| luke-jr | lbt: 1 GB, but watchdog won't let it swap that much | 17:27 |
| luke-jr | tbh, I have cross-distcc setup, so compiling isn't too big a problem | 17:27 |
| lbt | let us know how it goes ;) | 17:27 |
| luke-jr | it's linking that runs out of RAM | 17:28 |
| lbt | yep... | 17:28 |
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| fiferboy | luke-jr: linking seems to run out of memory in my setup, too. Swaps like crazy but never gets anywhere | 17:30 |
| luke-jr | fiferboy: really? hmm | 17:30 |
| luke-jr | fiferboy: is your linker a cross-linker, or native-built? | 17:31 |
| luke-jr | maybe it's an ARM bug? | 17:31 |
| luke-jr | GCC ARM* | 17:31 |
| fiferboy | luke-jr: I can only assign about 500 MB to my virtualbox session, that is likely why | 17:31 |
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| luke-jr | oh crap | 17:32 |
| luke-jr | apparently ld requires 1.3 GB of memory for qt webkit | 17:32 |
| lbt | should be fine on an N810... just what they're designed for ;) | 17:33 |
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| fiferboy | luke-jr: :O That would do it! | 17:34 |
| luke-jr | fiferboy: some bug report mentioned it loading *.o before even starting | 17:34 |
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| * RST38h luuuurves coding for Symbian in C++! | 17:41 | |
| RST38h | It is suuuuch a pretty minefield, and it blows up at different spots on each phone too! Variety! | 17:42 |
| RST38h | Besides, once you get this experience, you have basically made yourself employable for foreseeable future =) | 17:43 |
| nomis | Oh, I'd guess that you don't even need Symbian for this :) | 17:43 |
| nomis | (for the minefield) | 17:43 |
| RST38h | nomis: *I* don't, but your mileage may vary =) | 17:43 |
| Stskeeps | RST38h: so the appeal of maemo is that it is actually saner than symbian? :P | 17:44 |
| RST38h | Sts: Yea, Unix-derived platforms are way saner | 17:45 |
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| k-s | eh | 17:46 |
| nomis | ...unless you look at the socket API... :) | 17:46 |
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| RST38h | nomis: It's ok | 17:47 |
| RST38h | nomis: The biggest PITA is audio | 17:47 |
| nomis | RST38h: well, the problem with sockets is, that you suddenly have no documentation if you want to use e.g. netlink. | 17:47 |
| RST38h | Anyone who even expresses a desire to design a new audio framework for Linux has to be immediately hospitalized and given daily aminazin shots | 17:47 |
| nomis | for networking it is kind of OK. | 17:47 |
| RST38h | nomis: Plenty of examples around | 17:48 |
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| nomis | RST38h: I know, still having a hard time to figure out all the things you can do with it. | 17:48 |
| fiferboy | Yay Fire Drills. | 17:49 |
| Stskeeps | famous last wors | 17:49 |
| Stskeeps | +d | 17:49 |
| fiferboy | Stskeeps: Nah, it's done already | 17:50 |
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| Jaffa | "BeagleBoard and maemo" thread on -developers makes interesting reading. | 17:51 |
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| xnt14 | c/join #liqbase | 17:52 |
| xnt14 | oh opps xD | 17:52 |
| Stskeeps | Jaffa: yeah, it'll definately make the weekend interesting | 17:52 |
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| GAN800 | Smaller battery and smaller screen . . . urgh | 17:54 |
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| Stskeeps | morning GAN800, welcome to hell! :) | 17:54 |
| Stskeeps | also, i think that's a rx-71. | 17:54 |
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| xnt14 | rofl | 17:55 |
| zakkm | Stskeeps: new n900 news is out? | 17:55 |
| Stskeeps | zakkm: yeah, some leak | 17:55 |
| * xnt14 checks maemo.org | 17:55 | |
| zakkm | :o | 17:55 |
| GAN800 | Stskeeps, I agree. | 17:55 |
| zakkm | Stskeeps: link please | 17:55 |
| Meizirkki | garage.maemo.org down..? | 17:56 |
| Stskeeps | Meizirkki: just very slow | 17:56 |
| Meizirkki | k | 17:56 |
| Stskeeps | zakkm: http://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?t=29151 has a lot of discussion | 17:56 |
| zakkm | wow | 17:56 |
| zakkm | july? thats earlier | 17:56 |
| xnt14 | ahhh, that sorta looks like a kirf knockoff | 17:57 |
| zakkm | Browser: Firefox 3 with support for Flash 9.4 | 17:57 |
| zakkm | no flash 10? :P | 17:57 |
| Stskeeps | xnt14: ignore the rendering | 17:57 |
| xnt14 | oh ok :P | 17:57 |
| zakkm | 32GB internal storage, expandable up to 48GB via external memory | 17:57 |
| zakkm | that must cost alot ;p | 17:58 |
| xnt14 | same cpu as palm pre? webos port? | 17:58 |
| * xnt14 hopes for a better gps | 17:58 | |
| zakkm | its the omap3520 isnt it? | 17:58 |
| zakkm | the n900 | 17:58 |
| xnt14 | yay, 5mp camera | 17:58 |
| xnt14 | 32gb storage | 17:58 |
| Jaffa | Stskeeps: RX-71 had more keys, according to the kernel | 17:58 |
| xnt14 | well, now theres one more device I HAVE to buy :P | 17:59 |
| Jaffa | GAN800: Yeah, smaller device and smaller screen not good. Will feel very thick next to N810. Keyboard looks a bit naff. | 17:59 |
| xnt14 | well, yay, t-mobile! | 17:59 |
| Jaffa | Oh well. TV time. tmo can wait for later. | 17:59 |
| xnt14 | but... | 17:59 |
| zakkm | it seems really bad, im sure that "leak" is fake :) | 18:00 |
| * xnt14 will get a tmo plan after he gets an iphone... | 18:00 | |
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| * xnt14 wonders why everyone is worrying over the small screen :P | 18:01 | |
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| zakkm | maemo is small enough in 4.3" | 18:02 |
| zakkm | so now they are doing 3.5" in 800x480? :P | 18:02 |
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| GAN800 | OMAP3430 | 18:04 |
| GAN800 | 4.1" | 18:04 |
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| Meizirkki | it's gonna be 4.1"? | 18:05 |
| xnt14 | it hits engadget: http://www.engadget.com/2009/05/25/nokias-n810-successor-coming-later-this-year-with-3g-and-maemo/ | 18:05 |
| * xnt14 doesn't mind | 18:05 | |
| * mgedmin tried browsing the web on his N810 today, and remembered why he never does that | 18:07 | |
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| zakkm | it sucks, browsing on tablet | 18:08 |
| xnt14 | well, it all depends on the site... | 18:08 |
| zakkm | mplayer/ pidgin is really nice in maemo | 18:08 |
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| xnt14 | although 95% of all sites are crap in microb | 18:08 |
| zakkm | i had no pc at night yesterday, so i used my tablet | 18:08 |
| zakkm | heh dont you use Tear? | 18:08 |
| * RST38h browses web on an E70, so N810 does not feel that bad | 18:09 | |
| zakkm | e70 has wifi? | 18:09 |
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| RST38h | Has wifi, egprs, and 3g | 18:10 |
| xnt14 | 0.0 | 18:10 |
| xnt14 | :P | 18:10 |
| RST38h | http://www.thebestpageintheuniverse.net/c.cgi?u=iphone | 18:10 |
| zakkm | why would you diss the iphone | 18:11 |
| zakkm | its a great project | 18:11 |
| zakkm | product* | 18:11 |
| xnt14 | although apple screwed up on the sdk, and the appstore | 18:12 |
| xnt14 | other than that its great | 18:12 |
| RST38h | zakkm: fallomorphing as many Apple nuts as possible is a kind of a sport | 18:12 |
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| RST38h | zakkm: As in "how many can you enrage with one post" | 18:13 |
| xnt14 | and a haptic touch plugin is on cydia | 18:13 |
| zakkm | heh im planning on making ipod apps ;p | 18:13 |
| xnt14 | yeah, but objective-c = impossible syntax | 18:14 |
| RST38h | ObjC isn't that bad | 18:14 |
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| zakkm | good money potential ;p | 18:16 |
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| zakkm | i learned im recently broke | 18:16 |
| xnt14 | sadly apple also screwed up with the sdk, mac only | 18:17 |
| zakkm | i only use Mac OSX :P | 18:17 |
| xnt14 | brb | 18:17 |
| zakkm | they didnt screw it up? | 18:17 |
| zakkm | its part of Xcode | 18:17 |
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| xnt14 | xD, I still need to buy a mac, and i don't have a hackint0xsh compatible computer :( | 18:19 |
| EdLin | xnt14: get a mac mini, it's fairly affordable. :-) | 18:19 |
| zakkm | heh | 18:20 |
| zakkm | hackintosh compatible isnt hard ;p | 18:20 |
| EdLin | unless it's an AMD system | 18:20 |
| zakkm | id sell you my dg31pr motherboard for $40 usd? | 18:20 |
| zakkm | 100% support | 18:20 |
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| zakkm | if you have a system and try, sometimes it is trial and error, but if your looking to buy, its not hard at all | 18:21 |
| EdLin | I'd sell you my dell mini 9 for $300, it's also hackintoshable, though I'd get a larger SSD if I wanted to run xcode on it. :-) | 18:21 |
| zakkm | wish i had $300 :P | 18:21 |
| xnt14 | :) | 18:21 |
| GeneralAntilles | andre__, ping? | 18:21 |
| EdLin | zakkm: so do I, hence the offer. | 18:21 |
| zakkm | id sell you my overclocked 50% to 3.0ghz... hugee ass heatsink , full mac osx support, on it now .. for your dell mini :P | 18:22 |
| xnt14 | I wish my parents would let me buy stuff from people from irc X( | 18:22 |
| zakkm | heh | 18:22 |
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| xnt14 | they are like, only buy from a trusted source | 18:22 |
| EdLin | zakkm: not interested in another desktop. | 18:22 |
| zakkm | xnt14: people would most likely put on ebay, and then link you and you click "buy now" | 18:22 |
| zakkm | so it goes through ebay safely | 18:23 |
| xnt14 | although I asked my dad if I can build my own desktop, and he said yes... | 18:23 |
| zakkm | makes sure your the only one that clicks it, by messing with keywords and such | 18:23 |
| zakkm | EdLin: what is your motherboard? | 18:23 |
| xnt14 | so, now im in the market to get parts for a destop | 18:23 |
| timeless_mbp_ | hey, how do i find out if i have a wiki.maemo.org account? :) | 18:23 |
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| EdLin | zakkm: I have a mac mini and a dell mini 9, I have no idea what my motherboard is. ;-) | 18:23 |
| GeneralAntilles | timeless_mbp, Garage. | 18:24 |
| zakkm | dell mini 9 has mac support? | 18:24 |
| xnt14 | :P | 18:24 |
| EdLin | zakkm: unofficial of course. | 18:24 |
| zakkm | ohh | 18:24 |
| zakkm | xnt14: whats yours? hehh been reading wrong | 18:24 |
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| zakkm | officially.. | 18:24 |
| GeneralAntilles | Oops, Rover leak on the lists. . . . | 18:24 |
| xnt14 | my main desktop is a dell xps 600, nvidia/dell mb | 18:24 |
| zakkm | xnt14: i was looking for exact motherboard model | 18:25 |
| EdLin | zakkm: the dell mini 9 is the most hackintoshable netbook... Mine is right now running Windows 7 RC for the heck of it though, I'm probably going to hackintosh it again - especially if I want to sell it. | 18:25 |
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| xnt14 | my server is a dell precision 360, which runs tiger perfectly | 18:25 |
| xnt14 | but | 18:25 |
| xnt14 | tiger = no iphone sdk | 18:25 |
| zakkm | lol the only thing that makes it the most hackintosh is that it has a nice wifi card | 18:25 |
| zakkm | so run leopard on it? :P | 18:25 |
| xnt14 | lol | 18:25 |
| xnt14 | I tried | 18:26 |
| zakkm | try harder ;p | 18:26 |
| xnt14 | it didn't work | 18:26 |
| EdLin | zakkm: everything's supported, not just the wifi. Only thing that doesn't work now reportedly is MMC support for the SD card slot, which otherwise is supported. | 18:26 |
| xnt14 | and I tried 5 different distros on my xps, but none of them would boot | 18:26 |
| zakkm | EdLin: i meant, in all netbooks its just the wifi thats missing unless you swap it... thats the only think that makes the dell mini 9 the best | 18:27 |
| xnt14 | iatkos would boot the installer, but after install it would jusk kernel panic | 18:27 |
| zakkm | xnt: boot with a different kernel ;p | 18:27 |
| EdLin | zakkm: yeah, you're probably right. | 18:27 |
| * xnt14 googles if a asus eee pc 701 would run osx XD | 18:27 | |
| zakkm | yeah it should | 18:27 |
| EdLin | zakkm: I mostly got it because it was a netbook, decent looking, and expandable. | 18:27 |
| EdLin | zakkm: oh yes, and runs Ubuntu well | 18:28 |
| zakkm | wish i could afford one :) | 18:28 |
| zakkm | eww ubuntu | 18:28 |
| zakkm | at least use the newest moblin 2.0 | 18:28 |
| EdLin | zakkm: moblin is nice, but no wifi support. | 18:28 |
| xnt14 | I already tried that, the only thing I didn't try was efi pc | 18:28 |
| zakkm | EdLin: did you see the new 2.0 beta? | 18:28 |
| zakkm | nice new UI and all | 18:28 |
| zakkm | not crappy xfce, they made their own | 18:28 |
| EdLin | zakkm: I saw it, I was just looking at it yesterday online. | 18:29 |
| zakkm | xnt14: you need the efi bootloader. | 18:29 |
| EdLin | zakkm: I started to download it, but when I saw no wifi I aborted. | 18:29 |
| zakkm | thats weird | 18:29 |
| zakkm | cant install ? | 18:29 |
| * xnt14 's dad has a laptop which is with his uncle right now, which runs 10.5.6 almost flawlessly | 18:29 | |
| zakkm | its fedora-based i believe | 18:29 |
| xnt14 | sadly thats my dads laptop | 18:29 |
| zakkm | heh | 18:29 |
| zakkm | 701 should run it | 18:30 |
| xnt14 | so its win7 rc only :( | 18:30 |
| xnt14 | it would? | 18:30 |
| xnt14 | :) | 18:30 |
| xnt14 | it has a celeron 900 | 18:30 |
| zakkm | yeah i know | 18:30 |
| zakkm | i was going to buy one | 18:30 |
| xnt14 | I thought it wouldn't work | 18:30 |
| xnt14 | xD | 18:30 |
| zakkm | yeahh it does work | 18:30 |
| EdLin | xnt14: the 701 will run it, but not too well I guess since it has such a small screen, OS X likes to have some screen real-estate. | 18:30 |
| zakkm | yeah youd run into resolution/screensize troubles on a 7" | 18:31 |
| xnt14 | external screen? | 18:31 |
| zakkm | but support wise, its perfectly fine | 18:31 |
| xnt14 | so... | 18:31 |
| xnt14 | usb vga card? | 18:31 |
| xnt14 | :P | 18:31 |
| zakkm | it doesnt have a builtin one? | 18:31 |
| EdLin | run Linux on it. What kind of Linux hacker are you anyway? ;-) | 18:32 |
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| xnt14 | it does but when I put ubuntu on it, it wouldn't go above 800x600 | 18:32 |
| zakkm | ubuntu sucks :) | 18:32 |
| zakkm | learned that years ago | 18:32 |
| xnt14 | :P | 18:32 |
| zakkm | fedora is worse but still | 18:32 |
| xnt14 | not that much | 18:32 |
| xnt14 | fedora is a real pos | 18:32 |
| EdLin | I love Slackware. | 18:32 |
| EdLin | too bad they dropped GNOME | 18:33 |
| zakkm | i love gentoo :) | 18:33 |
| xnt14 | it screwed up my xps's grub, | 18:33 |
| zakkm | theres still dropline gnome? or can compile it | 18:33 |
| * xnt14 has gentoo on his ps3 | 18:33 | |
| zakkm | how well does that run? | 18:33 |
| EdLin | zakkm: compiling GNOME by hand is a real bear. | 18:33 |
| zakkm | friend wanted to try it on his ps3 | 18:33 |
| xnt14 | pretty good, just no 3d gfx | 18:33 |
| zakkm | full keyboard/mouse support? | 18:33 |
| xnt14 | yeah | 18:33 |
| zakkm | internet? | 18:33 |
| xnt14 | I had ubuntu on my ps3 before gentto | 18:33 |
| xnt14 | *gentoo | 18:34 |
| xnt14 | yeah | 18:34 |
| zakkm | does it screw up ps3? | 18:34 |
| xnt14 | full internet | 18:34 |
| xnt14 | no | 18:34 |
| EdLin | zakkm: linux is officially supported on the PS3. | 18:34 |
| xnt14 | fedora screwed up my xps's bl | 18:34 |
| xnt14 | *grub | 18:34 |
| fiferboy | lbt: After I clone the qt-maemo git repo, how do I get your fingerscroll branch? | 18:34 |
| xnt14 | yeah | 18:34 |
| zakkm | i dont own a ps3 ;p or any console for that matter except a ps1 | 18:34 |
| EdLin | I have an xbox 360 | 18:34 |
| andre__ | GeneralAntilles, pong | 18:34 |
| zakkm | i cant afford anything :p | 18:34 |
| GeneralAntilles | andre__, OK, I've got some stuff ready. | 18:35 |
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| nomis | fiferboy: I don't know specifically, but try "git branch -a" and see if there is something that resembles the branch you're looking for. | 18:35 |
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| andre__ | GAN8001, nice... still busy with some bugmail here... want to send me a patch or how to proceed? can't promise that i will have time later today (appointment) but definitely by tomorrow | 18:36 |
| fiferboy | nomis: Thanks, there is a branch "origin/fingerscroll" but I can't check it out ("is ambiguous") | 18:36 |
| xnt14 | zakkm: http://howto.wired.com/wiki/Run_Mac_OS_X_on_an_Eee_PC ? | 18:36 |
| fiferboy | nomis: Oops, because I created a duplicate branch in my local repo | 18:37 |
| GAN8001 | andre__, I can send a patch. | 18:37 |
| nomis | fiferboy: try git checkout -b my-fingerscroll-branch origin/fingerscroll | 18:37 |
| GAN8001 | andre__, it's largely guesswork since I can't test it. | 18:37 |
| zakkm | xnt14: thats really old. | 18:38 |
| xnt14 | oh xD | 18:38 |
| lbt | fiferboy: git checkout fingerscroll | 18:38 |
| zakkm | you know how to make a bootable usb drive? | 18:38 |
| lbt | unetbootin | 18:38 |
| fiferboy | nomis: Thanks, that worked! | 18:38 |
| zakkm | xnt14: that follows a real mac disc. | 18:39 |
| fiferboy | lbt: Whenever I did that it created a new branch, but didn't have the changes of your branch | 18:39 |
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| andre__ | GAN8001, send me mail | 18:39 |
| lbt | what I think you just did is create a new branch based on the origin branch | 18:39 |
| lbt | did you do a git clone? | 18:40 |
| fiferboy | lbt: Yes. I really don't understand git (good thing I didn't have anything to do with the maemo git branch!) | 18:40 |
| fiferboy | lbt: I did a git clone based on the URI on the qt-maemo page | 18:40 |
| fiferboy | lbt: git clone git://gitorious.org/+qt-maemo-developers/qt/qt-maemo.git | 18:41 |
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| lbt | when? | 18:41 |
| lbt | before I created my branch? | 18:41 |
| fiferboy | lbt: About 30 minutes ago. | 18:41 |
| GeneralAntilles | andre__, done. | 18:41 |
| fiferboy | Your branch was there. | 18:41 |
| lbt | ah :) | 18:41 |
| fiferboy | Wasn't it? | 18:42 |
| lbt | yes | 18:42 |
| andre__ | thanks | 18:42 |
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| GeneralAntilles | dneary, geneven doesn't remember the first election. | 18:42 |
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| fiferboy | lbt: But when I run git branch -a it shows me: | 18:42 |
| dneary | GeneralAntilles: Ah - explains things | 18:42 |
| fiferboy | master | 18:42 |
| fiferboy | origin/4.5 | 18:42 |
| fiferboy | origin/HEAD | 18:42 |
| fiferboy | origin/fingerscroll | 18:42 |
| fiferboy | origin/master | 18:42 |
| GeneralAntilles | dneary, really, he generally doesn't understand much. ;) | 18:43 |
| nomis | fiferboy: -a also shows the remote branches. | 18:43 |
| GeneralAntilles | There's still the whole Maemo/maemo.org confusion. | 18:43 |
| GeneralAntilles | A lot of these people seem to think that itT has been absorbed by Nokia. | 18:44 |
| fiferboy | nomis: What I don't unserstand is why git checkout fingerscroll didn't work as I expected | 18:44 |
| lbt | it really should have | 18:44 |
| GeneralAntilles | I like how Kate's head seems to show up in a lot of the Maemo-related Engadget posts. | 18:44 |
| nomis | uh, is the "origin/" supposed to be optional? | 18:45 |
| dneary | GeneralAntilles: Well, you know my feelings on that | 18:45 |
| dneary | If there's confusion, it's bacuse the whole thing isn't clear | 18:45 |
| GeneralAntilles | dneary, different issue. Different understandings. | 18:45 |
| GeneralAntilles | Their view basically amounts to conspiracy theory. | 18:45 |
| xnt14 | wait, how do I uninstall scratchbox? | 18:45 |
| dneary | Who's "their"? | 18:46 |
| GeneralAntilles | dneary, most of the people in that "Open Letter" thread. | 18:46 |
| fiferboy | lbt: I notice Antonio hasn't put the debian directories in there yet. | 18:46 |
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| lbt | I hadn't ;) | 18:47 |
| fiferboy | lbt: In fact, none of the maemo-releated changes have been commited yet, other than yours. | 18:47 |
| dneary | GeneralAntilles: There's a definite need for more diplomacy when dealing with a group that are suspicious of Nokia to begin with and pretty cynical | 18:47 |
| GeneralAntilles | dneary, you haven't been reading enough Talk. | 18:47 |
| lbt | yes, he's working on setting them up as branches | 18:47 |
| fiferboy | That was a waste of time, I can't build from git yet. Oh well. | 18:47 |
| dneary | GeneralAntilles: I think I said that :) | 18:48 |
| fiferboy | Back to SVN for the moment | 18:48 |
| GeneralAntilles | It starts there, but then they start flinging personal attacks whenever they get the chance. | 18:48 |
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| GeneralAntilles | dneary, well, my point is, there's a lot of history here. | 18:48 |
| Stskeeps | GeneralAntilles: 90% of the opinions are fairly sane though in that thread.. it's time to back off a bit for all involved :P | 18:48 |
| dneary | Seems like there definitely is a "them & us" then | 18:48 |
| GeneralAntilles | Stskeeps, sane, thinly veiled personal attacks. | 18:49 |
| GeneralAntilles | Stskeeps, anyway, I'm not involving myself. | 18:49 |
| Stskeeps | k | 18:49 |
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| thux | thinly veiled too fine words for bad english like me :p | 18:51 |
| GeneralAntilles | thux, lightly disguised. | 18:52 |
| thux | ah | 18:52 |
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| * Stskeeps watches mer try to boot on his freerunner | 18:54 | |
| * lbt watches Ubuntu fail to login on his laptop | 18:57 | |
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| Stskeeps | bizarre. | 18:58 |
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| lcuk | is ^ | 19:01 |
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| z4chh | automake/autoconfig avaliable for the tablets? | 19:03 |
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| lcuk | guys, scratchbox - if i have installed scratchbox and the fremantle sdk into it, do i have to reinstall everything including scratchbox to do some dev on diablo | 19:36 |
| lcuk | or can i just add the diablo devkit into it | 19:37 |
| Stskeeps | merphone: http://bsd.tspre.org/~stskeeps/100_3187.JPG ;p | 19:37 |
| lcuk | (H) thats hot | 19:37 |
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| GAN8001 | We need to buy Stskeeps a real camera. | 19:38 |
| Stskeeps | it was just shaking :P | 19:38 |
| Stskeeps | from the excitement | 19:38 |
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| xnt14 | awesome mer phone :) | 19:41 |
| xnt14 | but I agree new camera | 19:41 |
| xnt14 | :P | 19:41 |
| xnt14 | and... | 19:42 |
| * xnt14 needs a new hdd, stupid server... | 19:42 | |
| timeless_mbp | GAN8001: ping | 19:42 |
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| timeless_mbp | Stskeeps: ping | 19:47 |
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| Stskeeps | timeless_mbp: pong | 19:57 |
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| timeless_mbp | sorry, my ping timed out :) | 20:06 |
| timeless_mbp | i was hunting for a pretty picture | 20:06 |
| GAN8001 | timeless_mbp, pong? | 20:12 |
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| slonopotamus | muahaha | 20:47 |
| slonopotamus | got segfault in close() :D | 20:47 |
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| Stskeeps | evening qwerty12_N800, howøw is it going? | 20:48 |
| Stskeeps | -ow | 20:48 |
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| qwerty12_N800 | Stskeeps, hi, all good. Got a week off. :) | 20:49 |
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| RST38h | moo qwerty | 20:53 |
| Stskeeps | qwerty12_N800: hehe, much needed. exams ahead or? | 20:53 |
| qwerty12_N800 | hi RST38h | 20:53 |
| qwerty12_N800 | Stskeeps, yep | 20:53 |
| Stskeeps | qwerty12_N800: i have a nasty nasty linear algebra exam coming up - and the copenhagen weekend :P | 20:54 |
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| qwerty12_N800 | Stskeeps, hehe, which one is the most challenging? :P | 20:55 |
| Stskeeps | qwerty12_N800: one can totally fuck up my life, .. i guess the second one can too? ;) | 20:55 |
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| qwerty12_N800 | Stskeeps, hehe | 20:56 |
| Stskeeps | the weird things you have to do for a thesis | 20:58 |
| Stskeeps | right now i'm watching videos of some woman doing exersises.. | 20:58 |
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| Corsac | Stskeeps: you call it that way? | 21:00 |
| qwerty12_N800 | I think that is a trait shared by many (men)... | 21:00 |
| Stskeeps | Corsac: it's not porn nor is it very interesting to watch :P | 21:00 |
| florian | re | 21:01 |
| kfx | I should get a degree in watching women in exercise video | 21:01 |
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| Stskeeps | my specialization will be in pervasive healthcare, so | 21:02 |
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| oDuda | hello ! i wanna remove gizmo icon from maemo menu... somebody? | 21:05 |
| qwerty12_N800 | as root: rm /usr/share/applications/hildon/gizmo-project.desktop | 21:06 |
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| RST38h | all right, so, what's cooking? | 21:08 |
| Stskeeps | Peter@Marketing responded in N900 specs | 21:09 |
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| * lcuk Stskeeps link | 21:10 | |
| lcuk | -me | 21:10 |
| Stskeeps | http://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?t=29151&page=13 | 21:10 |
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| oDuda | qwerty12_N800 thank you ! too much ! | 21:11 |
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| oDuda | qwerty12_N800 rooth is needed, so ? | 21:12 |
| oDuda | said rootsh | 21:12 |
| RST38h | Sts: Alas, his answer does not take into account fbreader users running it full screen | 21:12 |
| qwerty12_N800 | oDuda, yep, whatever is your favourite way of becoming root :) | 21:13 |
| Stskeeps | RST38h: yeah, i thught the exact same thing | 21:13 |
| Stskeeps | +o | 21:13 |
| Stskeeps | qwerty12_N800: docpurge with your change works perfectly btw, much appreciated. | 21:13 |
| qwerty12_N800 | oh, cool :) | 21:13 |
| Stskeeps | goshawk made new packaging for it as there were license doubts of the old one | 21:13 |
| Stskeeps | (and it used some non-debhelper thing) | 21:14 |
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| oDuda | qwerty12_N800 one more: is a way to gain root withouth any installing ? | 21:15 |
| qwerty12_N800 | Stskeeps, did you go for the dd method, or decide to use 'touch', out of curiosity? | 21:15 |
| qwerty12_N800 | oDuda, by enabling rd-mode but you don't wanna go there... | 21:16 |
| oDuda | qwerty12_N800 thank you ! :-) | 21:16 |
| RST38h | Anyone knows if FBreader author is on IRC? | 21:16 |
| oDuda | rd mode is by flasher ? | 21:17 |
| GAN8001 | qwerty12_N800, fuck you. :P | 21:17 |
| qwerty12_N800 | ~seen MishaS | 21:17 |
| infobot | mishas <n=MishaS@a91-154-119-97.elisa-laajakaista.fi> was last seen on IRC in channel #maemo, 247d 9h 7m 38s ago, saying: 't_s_o, it seems to have minor severity and low priority... i wouldn't have high hopes...'. | 21:17 |
| qwerty12_N800 | oDuda, yes... | 21:17 |
| oDuda | ty | 21:17 |
| qwerty12_N800 | GAN8001, muhahaha, hello to you too :p | 21:18 |
| Stskeeps | qwerty12_N800: i used whatever you pasted on that post in qole's thread | 21:18 |
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| RST38h | qwerty: Ehhh | 21:19 |
| qwerty12_N800 | RST38h, it may be faster dropping an e-mail :> | 21:20 |
| RST38h | too early for that yet | 21:20 |
| * RST38h has got a few ideas on how to deal with the smaller screen in n900 | 21:20 | |
| Stskeeps | tv out? ;p | 21:20 |
| qwerty12_N800 | x11vnc? | 21:21 |
| Stskeeps | miniprojector? | 21:21 |
| qwerty12_N800 | voodoo? cursing nokia? | 21:21 |
| Stskeeps | buying a smartq7? :P | 21:21 |
| RST38h | Sts: No, a little zoom tied to the touch spot | 21:22 |
| RST38h | Sts: i.e. you touch the screen and it shows a zoom of what you have just touched right above your finger | 21:22 |
| Stskeeps | ah | 21:22 |
| RST38h | Sts: And, when you press at the top/bottom of the screen, it will slowly scroll | 21:23 |
| RST38h | while maintaining zoom of course | 21:23 |
| GAN8001 | qwerty12_N800, where did you crawl off to? | 21:23 |
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| GAN8001 | Peter's explanation is idiotic. | 21:25 |
| GAN8001 | They really don't get their users or soething. | 21:25 |
| RST38h | I am surprised he gave an explanation at all | 21:25 |
| qwerty12_N800 | GAN800, had (and still do have) exams but I've got this week off. Plus, I was having fun making my Wii run homebrew (amongst other things, *cough*) :P | 21:25 |
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| GAN8001 | I find it hilarious that they're trying to analyze my post. | 21:26 |
| GAN8001 | I have access to nothing more interesting than what they have. | 21:26 |
| Stskeeps | on the other hand | 21:27 |
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| Stskeeps | the people coming out of the woodwork does confirm this was a real leak, even though most of these things were already known :P | 21:27 |
| qwerty12_N800 | GAN8001, I thought, you being a maemo.org council member, had access to all of Nokia's workings? </sarcasm> :p | 21:28 |
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| GAN8001 | qwerty12_N800, well, apparently, I'm evil now. | 21:28 |
| Stskeeps | "now"? :P | 21:28 |
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| Stskeeps | ;) | 21:28 |
| GAN8001 | and it's reasonable to masquerade an "Open Letter" thread as a "let's attack GA" thread. | 21:29 |
| qwerty12_N800 | :( | 21:29 |
| GAN8001 | I need to block Talk with a proxy or something | 21:29 |
| lcuk | that never works | 21:30 |
| GAN8001 | qwerty12_N800, you out of school yet? | 21:30 |
| Stskeeps | i tried that with slashdot | 21:30 |
| lcuk | get one of the moderators to REALLY block you | 21:30 |
| Stskeeps | failed miserably | 21:30 |
| lcuk | heh sts ditto | 21:30 |
| lcuk | timesink | 21:30 |
| RST38h | GAN: Just let 'em be | 21:31 |
| GAN8001 | Stskeeps, this damn insanity better blow over soon or I'm just going to have to walk out completely. | 21:31 |
| RST38h | Nobody is after you | 21:31 |
| GAN8001 | Just aint worth it. | 21:31 |
| RST38h | It is just that the transfer to talk.maemo.org has not been handled properly | 21:32 |
| Stskeeps | GAN8001: actually i read it as a message to several personalities, but that's how it is | 21:32 |
| qwerty12_N800 | GAN8001, for all practical purposes, yes. Just got to go back for exams. | 21:32 |
| Stskeeps | GAN8001: because it's been attack-counterattack-countercounterattack etc in some of the threads and that's just noise, from both "sides" | 21:33 |
| Stskeeps | so it's more of a call to calm the fuck down :P | 21:33 |
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| GAN800 | Stskeeps, there's a non-public history to Texrat's blow-up. | 21:34 |
| Stskeeps | probably, but i honestly think it's time to get back to business :P | 21:35 |
| GAN800 | Piece of shit Modest | 21:37 |
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| GAN800 | Who the fuck came up with the save to drafts dialog | 21:37 |
| oDuda | qwerty_N800 - can you translate this "apt-get remove skype-installer" to gizmo please ? | 21:37 |
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| GAN800 | That UI designer needs bamboo under his nails. | 21:38 |
| Stskeeps | i personally haven't been able to see any community work through all the noise lately so i'm just looking forward to getting good community info again :P | 21:38 |
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| Stskeeps | right, tea | 21:39 |
| kfx | man, if maemo had an sdk more like mer's my life would be way easier | 21:39 |
| Stskeeps | kfx: me throwing a massive fit over scratchbox is part reason why mer exists | 21:39 |
| qwerty12_N800 | oDuda, 'dpkg -S /usr/share/applications/hildon/gizmo-project.desktop' says: gizmo-installer but, thanks to osso-software-version, you don't want to remove it... dpkg -L gizmo-installer if neeeded and delete the files manually | 21:40 |
| qwerty12_N800 | s/neeeded/needed/ | 21:40 |
| infobot | qwerty12_N800 meant: oDuda, 'dpkg -S /usr/share/applications/hildon/gizmo-project.desktop' says: gizmo-installer but, thanks to osso-software-version, you don't want to remove it... dpkg -L gizmo-installer if needed and delete the files manually | 21:40 |
| kfx | scratchbox is like a well-researched, carefully-planned, cunningly-crafted set of tools designed to make easier the difficult task of interefering with everything I try to do | 21:40 |
| Stskeeps | kfx++ | 21:41 |
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| lcuk | lol kfx | 21:41 |
| kfx | it's quite comprehensive | 21:42 |
| oDuda | qwerty_N800 ty | 21:42 |
| kfx | if I somehow stumble into accidentally making something work right scratchbox promptly crashes in a last-ditch effort to confound me | 21:42 |
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| lcuk | i have to say, it does work normally on the rare occasions i tried it - but then again that was for small amounts of simple | 21:43 |
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| qwerty12_N800 | My biggest scratchbox annoyance is its fuck up of autotools. I've ended up passing extra libs as ldflags all because scratchbox bolloxes up an autoreconf | 21:44 |
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| lcuk | its not even practical to do a vmk of diablo+sdk libraries is it | 21:45 |
| lcuk | i know mer is designed and can work like that already | 21:45 |
| lcuk | mmmm | 21:46 |
| lcuk | thats a great tagline | 21:46 |
| GAN8001 | qwerty12_N800, by the way, we kind of assume you left for good. :P | 21:46 |
| lcuk | "liqbase :: northern powered" | 21:46 |
| Stskeeps | yeah, we divided your developer rebate rx-51's amongst us | 21:47 |
| Stskeeps | :P | 21:47 |
| qwerty12_N800 | GAN8001, qwerties don't die, we multiply! (your keyboard is the proof :p) | 21:47 |
| * lcuk thinks qwertys rebate should be subsidised by community kitty as well | 21:48 | |
| qwerty12_N800 | Meh, I'll hold out for the -71. the rx-51 is a joke | 21:48 |
| GAN800 | we were talking about taking up a collection to get you a device so you'd come back but lardman blew it on booze and hookers. | 21:48 |
| lcuk | and bacon | 21:48 |
| Stskeeps | microsd is too friggen small. | 21:49 |
| lcuk | fingernail sized | 21:49 |
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| * lcuk takes his off and shows you | 21:49 | |
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| lcuk | the side stitching has healed more or less now! | 21:50 |
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| * RST38h cackles at the thought that RX-71 may well end up being a standard flip-cover cell phone | 21:50 | |
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| * Stskeeps curses over openmoko casing | 21:52 | |
| GAN800 | RST38h, there's always Pandora and Mer I guess. | 21:52 |
| RST38h | GAN: Pandora isn't. | 21:52 |
| RST38h | GAN: SmartQ 7 looks like an interesting idea though | 21:52 |
| lcuk | Stskeeps, are the accel units accessible in the moko | 21:53 |
| Stskeeps | yeah | 21:53 |
| Stskeeps | they're excellent | 21:53 |
| Stskeeps | better than the nokia ones | 21:53 |
| lcuk | how can you tell? | 21:53 |
| Stskeeps | specs | 21:53 |
| Stskeeps | 35hz nokia ones, 100 or 400hz openmoko ones | 21:53 |
| lcuk | are they accessible using the same api | 21:53 |
| lcuk | ahh does that matter? | 21:53 |
| Stskeeps | hz = amount of samples per second | 21:54 |
| lcuk | yeah i know that lol | 21:54 |
| lcuk | but if you only show x fps what does it really matter? | 21:54 |
| lcuk | its like the difference between a normal mouse and a super gaming high res mouse | 21:54 |
| lcuk | both will get the pointer around the screen | 21:54 |
| lcuk | and you have to be an mouseophile to notice the difference | 21:55 |
| mgedmin | hm | 21:55 |
| * lcuk is used to compromise | 21:55 | |
| mgedmin | actually, the thing with mice, you'll notice when you reach the end of the mouse pad, I think | 21:55 |
| lcuk | mgedmin, not the same thing really | 21:55 |
| lcuk | super gaming mice have extreme silly dpi | 21:55 |
| lcuk | and transmission speeds beyond anything needed | 21:55 |
| mgedmin | which is different from hz :) | 21:56 |
| mgedmin | the dpi thing is noticeable | 21:56 |
| lcuk | sampling frequency | 21:56 |
| * lcuk thinks mgedmin is a mousophile | 21:56 | |
| lcuk | :P | 21:56 |
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| mgedmin | observe this traditional trackpoint, how smooth the motion, how close to the home row, how red the cap | 21:57 |
| lcuk | heh | 21:57 |
| kfx | mmmm trackpoints | 21:57 |
| lcuk | i work at about 1/10 speed using a computer nipple | 21:58 |
| kfx | I'm so conflicted about netbooks. Sony makes one with a trackpoint! But then I'd be giving money to Sony! augh | 21:58 |
| lcuk | i just got a 12" lenovo | 21:58 |
| lcuk | smaller than normal but not cut down | 21:58 |
| Corsac | the s12? | 21:59 |
| Corsac | or a real thinkpad? | 21:59 |
| lcuk | x41 touch | 21:59 |
| GAN800 | 'thanks to the Mer team and qole and PB' Ehehe | 21:59 |
| Corsac | tablet :) | 21:59 |
| Stskeeps | GAN800: mm? :P | 21:59 |
| kfx | I'm leaning toward getting one of the last x61s that has 1400x1050 | 21:59 |
| lcuk | yeah | 21:59 |
| Corsac | kfx: no x61s has 1400x1050 | 22:00 |
| Corsac | kfx: only x61t | 22:00 |
| lcuk | the higher res would be nice | 22:00 |
| lcuk | but for what i need its ok | 22:00 |
| kfx | sorry, the s was a pluralization sigil there :) | 22:00 |
| GAN800 | Stskeeps, you got lumped in. :p | 22:00 |
| Corsac | no x61 has 1400x1050 either :) | 22:00 |
| Corsac | you'll have to take a tablet | 22:00 |
| kfx | works for me | 22:00 |
| Stskeeps | GAN800: in what now | 22:01 |
| kfx | as long as it's a ~12" screen | 22:01 |
| GAN800 | http://talk.maemo.org/showpost.php?p=289948&postcount=136 | 22:01 |
| Corsac | if you don't hate widescreen as much as me, you may want to look at x200s, 1440×900 | 22:02 |
| kfx | I don't mind widescreen, but I can get the older model way cheaper | 22:03 |
| Corsac | yeah but x200s might be cheaper than a tablet (not sure about second hand though) | 22:05 |
| Stskeeps | GAN800: yeah.. my usual mantra "there's no Mer without Maemo." | 22:06 |
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| CutMeOwnThroat | is there a simple way to compile debian packages for maemo, then? | 22:14 |
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| minra | bundyo, gemrb 0.4.0 just released | 22:17 |
| lbt | CutMeOwnThroat: you mean port from Debian to Maemo? | 22:17 |
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| xnt14 | im back | 22:18 |
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| * lcuk lobs a custard pie @ xnt14 | 22:19 | |
| * xnt14 dodges | 22:19 | |
| xnt14 | ~attack lcuk | 22:19 |
| * infobot grabs a pen, screams like she's possessed, and begins chasing lcuk | 22:19 | |
| xnt14 | xD | 22:19 |
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| xnt14 | hold on a sec | 22:20 |
| lcuk | i need an anti attack attacking irc bot of my own! | 22:20 |
| lcuk | bacon | 22:20 |
| lcuk | :D | 22:20 |
| lbt | lcuk: just don't get bman started too... they had a hell of a skirmish the other night.... | 22:20 |
| lcuk | lol lbt | 22:20 |
| kfx | is there a matching ~retreat command | 22:20 |
| lcuk | the liqirc bots respond to bacon :$ | 22:20 |
| lcuk | they get kicked out of the chan if they start | 22:20 |
| xnt14 | well | 22:21 |
| lcuk | kfx, it doesnt understand french :O | 22:21 |
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| xnt14 | $mayhem | 22:21 |
| * xntbot causes mayhem | 22:21 | |
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| lcuk | hahah | 22:22 |
| xnt14 | $remove(from="userdb",value="lcuk") | 22:22 |
| xntbot | done | 22:22 |
| xnt14 | :) | 22:22 |
| xnt14 | now lcuk can't use my bot against me | 22:22 |
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| lbt | $remove(from="userdb",value="xnt14") | 22:23 |
| qwerty12_N800 | oh, I thought that was its 'people to be stalked' list | 22:23 |
| xntbot | lcuk, sorry, my owner has blocked you | 22:23 |
| lcuk | xnt14, i wrote my bot originally to do sketching over irc | 22:23 |
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| xnt14 | oh so, I can | 22:23 |
| xnt14 | $draw box | 22:23 |
| lcuk | it got kicked for flooding | 22:24 |
| * xntbot draws a box on liqbase's sketch function | 22:24 | |
| xnt14 | yeah | 22:24 |
| xnt14 | so make it one way | 22:24 |
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| lcuk | you mean in a pm | 22:25 |
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| xnt14 | maybe | 22:25 |
| lcuk | i like what you did there tho | 22:25 |
| xnt14 | just make is so you type "%draw box 0,0" and it would draw a box | 22:25 |
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| xnt14 | and maybe give feedback | 22:25 |
| lcuk | yeah - the graphics library is simple enough to handle the syntax | 22:25 |
| xnt14 | hold on a second | 22:26 |
| lcuk | ive got a parser somewhere | 22:26 |
| xnt14 | $add(draw, from="/dv/xntbot/draw.bp") | 22:26 |
| lcuk | you know the search box in liqbase | 22:27 |
| xnt14 | yeah | 22:27 |
| lcuk | i was thinking of allowing command syntax in there too | 22:27 |
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| xnt14 | so... | 22:27 |
| xnt14 | like this | 22:27 |
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| xnt14 | $simulate(draw.bp); | 22:28 |
| lcuk | just like the console :) | 22:28 |
| lcuk | i dont see anything you do btw | 22:28 |
| xnt14 | $draw circle 15,15 | 22:28 |
| lcuk | or are those just examples | 22:28 |
| xnt14 | its just a simulation | 22:28 |
| xntbot | Circle Drawn | 22:28 |
| lcuk | lotta lag | 22:29 |
| lcuk | :P | 22:29 |
| xnt14 | :P | 22:29 |
| xnt14 | wait was that public? | 22:29 |
| * lardman pours a beer | 22:29 | |
| lcuk | you should know lol | 22:29 |
| lcuk | hey lardman \o | 22:29 |
| lardman | hi lcuk | 22:29 |
| xnt14 | ... | 22:29 |
| xnt14 | kvm | 22:30 |
| xnt14 | *nvm | 22:30 |
| * xnt14 watches | 22:30 | |
| qwerty12_N800 | ello lardman | 22:30 |
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| lardman | hey qwerty12_N800 | 22:30 |
| lardman | did I see you say you have a week off? | 22:30 |
| qwerty12_N800 | yep, your eyes do not trick you ;) | 22:31 |
| lardman | but you're a student, so what's new?! ;) | 22:31 |
| * lardman browses the n900 revelaed thread on Talk once again, in the vague hope that someone's discovered the screen size was reported wrongly | 22:32 | |
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| * xnt14 is bored (again...) | 22:34 | |
| xnt14 | $unbored | 22:34 |
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| xntbot | get unbored | 22:34 |
| xnt14 | :P | 22:34 |
| xnt14 | that was random | 22:34 |
| lardman | $unboard=TRUE | 22:34 |
| xnt14 | board? xD | 22:35 |
| xnt14 | im board xD | 22:35 |
| lardman | I'm getting married in a few days, no time for boredom in amongst the stuff to be done! ;) | 22:35 |
| xnt14 | yeah... | 22:35 |
| xnt14 | no time for boredom :P | 22:36 |
| lardman | yep, I'm looking forward to some next week :) | 22:36 |
| xnt14 | :) | 22:36 |
| lcuk | takin your tablet on honeymoon? | 22:37 |
| lardman | of course | 22:37 |
| lardman | ! | 22:37 |
| lcuk | hahaha | 22:37 |
| lcuk | tracy would ban mine | 22:37 |
| rm_you | lol | 22:38 |
| GAN800 | lardman, still another model. | 22:38 |
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| lardman | I'll probably only use it to look at photos mind you | 22:38 |
| GAN800 | But I can't believe how fucking thick and retarded Nokia is. | 22:38 |
| lardman | GAN800: the "n900" stuff? Fingers crossed then | 22:38 |
| GAN800 | 'How can we best fuck this up?' must be the question they asl themselves every day | 22:38 |
| GAN800 | 'How can we ruin your day today?' | 22:39 |
| rm_you | GAN800: ? | 22:39 |
| lardman | probably a Boolean operation along the lines of: design = !(community design ideas) | 22:39 |
| rm_you | something else after the leak? or just referring to that | 22:39 |
| GAN800 | design == whatever the worst ideas we can come up with are | 22:39 |
| lcuk | actually community design has shown itself to be not universally great | 22:39 |
| * rm_you just woke up | 22:40 | |
| lardman | rm_you: there was supposed to be an RX-51 and a -71 iirc from the kernel patch | 22:40 |
| mavhc | community can't design, it can only evolve | 22:41 |
| rm_you | ... and why is that making GA rant? :P | 22:41 |
| lardman | ok so not designs, but in terms of wishes, I think most power users would like a screen as large (and I'd like one a little larger in fact) | 22:41 |
| minra | if true, looks great - 32gB internal | 22:41 |
| mavhc | if they're going to announce an actual tablet they'd better do it quickly now | 22:41 |
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| mavhc | 256MB ram still seems small to me | 22:42 |
| minra | why mavhc | 22:42 |
| mavhc | because everyone's freaking out | 22:42 |
| minra | whats the rush | 22:42 |
| Stskeeps | mavhc: 256mb + swap is more than enough for maemo like things | 22:42 |
| rm_you | i was hoping they'd do it at the hackfest next weekend | 22:42 |
| Stskeeps | heck, mer is bloated in comparison to maemo, and it actually fits nicely in 100mb :P | 22:42 |
| minra | awxd make a better dpad anyway | 22:42 |
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| GAN800 | rm_you, Talk has put me in a bad fucking mood. | 22:43 |
| rm_you | ah | 22:43 |
| mavhc | the recent announcement of this intel/nokia phone stack is odd, considering the timing | 22:43 |
| minra | i think it is smart to make smaller | 22:43 |
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| GAN800 | rm_you, read the open letter insanity for funtimes. | 22:43 |
| minra | less bezel would have been nice | 22:43 |
| rm_you | GAN800: linky? | 22:44 |
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| GAN800 | mavhc, 512MB would impact battery life. | 22:44 |
| mavhc | the n810 is too big to hold by your ear anyway | 22:44 |
| GAN800 | http://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?p=289967 | 22:44 |
| lardman | hmm, confirmation from Mara too | 22:44 |
| * lardman reads the Talk thread backlog | 22:44 | |
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| Jaffa | lardman: ditto | 22:45 |
| lcuk | http://johndyer.name/lab/pv3d/sizer/ | 22:45 |
| lcuk | add dimensions to this from ages ago someone did for n810 and iphone and stuff | 22:45 |
| minra | n810 just doesnt have enough dpi :) | 22:45 |
| lardman | It's not making me overly happy mind you, but at least I can head off on honeymoon not worrying that I'll miss the release of something exciting | 22:45 |
| lcuk | (unboxing thread for n810!) | 22:45 |
| lardman | I do need a new phone though.... | 22:46 |
| xnt14 | yeah | 22:46 |
| xnt14 | so do I | 22:46 |
| Jaffa | Bit bulky for a primary phone | 22:46 |
| Jaffa | (for me, anyway) | 22:46 |
| xnt14 | stuck with a blackberry | 22:46 |
| lardman | I need to draw it out on paper and see how big, how does it compare to an iPhone? | 22:46 |
| lcuk | lardman, as i say | 22:47 |
| lcuk | http://johndyer.name/lab/pv3d/sizer/ | 22:47 |
| lcuk | add to that | 22:47 |
| lcuk | and see | 22:47 |
| lardman | lcuk: sorry, missed that line | 22:47 |
| GAN800 | iPhone is 3.5" LCD | 22:47 |
| CutMeOwnThroat | lbt, yes .. although I'd not call it porting if it's already compiled for the same architecture | 22:47 |
| Jaffa | iPhone is thinner than an N810 (11mm vs. 14mm). 18mm is fscking huge | 22:47 |
| lardman | and compared to the new model? | 22:47 |
| * lbt struggles to recall CutMeOwnThroat's precise question | 22:48 | |
| Jaffa | "N900" is, allegedly, 18mm | 22:48 |
| mavhc | why make it thicker? | 22:48 |
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| lardman | to fit the gubbins in | 22:48 |
| mavhc | which gubbins? | 22:48 |
| CutMeOwnThroat | <CutMeOwnThroat> is there a simple way to compile debian packages for maemo, then | 22:48 |
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| Jaffa | mavhc: smaller width & height mean more depth needed for the similar/more amount of hardware | 22:48 |
| Jaffa | (also explains smaller battery?) | 22:48 |
| lardman | yeah | 22:48 |
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| * Stskeeps ponders why noone has pointed out that if people hate the n900 ui so much, they can easily change it | 22:49 | |
| Jaffa | mavhc: FM RX/TX, accelerometers, HSPA chip | 22:49 |
| lardman | and I guess the omap3 + power saving has moved on too, so it may even have better life | 22:49 |
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| lbt | more than install scratchbox and type dpkg-buildpkg -b ?? | 22:49 |
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| CutMeOwnThroat | sounds easy enough :) | 22:49 |
| Meiz_n810 | FM TX? | 22:50 |
| lbt | I used to apt-get source locally | 22:50 |
| mavhc | tbh I've no idea where the gubbins are on the n810, there's the back section, with the battery, kb, aerials, and the top section, with the screen. no idea where the gubbins fit | 22:50 |
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| lbt | then move it into sbox and do that... | 22:50 |
| lbt | got ddd working.... | 22:50 |
| lardman | Meiz_n810: yeah, with RDS too | 22:50 |
| * Meiz_n810 think Fm transmitter is useless | 22:50 | |
| lbt | you often have to chase down dependencies since Maemo is a bit sparse... | 22:50 |
| lardman | Meiz_n810: in car? | 22:51 |
| lbt | you may want to consider Mer if that gets heavy | 22:51 |
| mavhc | rds is apparently easy to hack | 22:51 |
| CutMeOwnThroat | lbt, brb, phone | 22:51 |
| lardman | in general, or this particular chipset? | 22:51 |
| lbt | although usually in Mer your package is also there | 22:51 |
| qwerty12_N800 | Meiz_n810: think of the prank possibilities! | 22:51 |
| Meiz_n810 | lardman: i don't have a car :P | 22:51 |
| xnt14 | :P | 22:51 |
| lardman | regarding RDS, and the fact it can also receive, think of traffic info (TMC) | 22:51 |
| lardman | Hmm, from Peter: http://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?t=29151&page=13 | 22:52 |
| lardman | sounds like that's official then | 22:52 |
| mavhc | seems odd that at the same time as everyone wants to add a 3.5mm audio input to their car stereo the car stereos have become so integrated into the dashboard it's much more difficult than 10 years ago | 22:52 |
| Stskeeps | lardman: i honestly think it's quite a brilliant marketing move | 22:53 |
| Stskeeps | release a phone to attract new people, release a tablet afterwards | 22:53 |
| Stskeeps | heck, release a 7" version.. :P | 22:53 |
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| Stskeeps | it's a well laid path suckering people into using maemo on more things | 22:54 |
| mavhc | first, wait for apple to release whatever they're going to do, then respond | 22:54 |
| lardman | well perhaps, we'll have to see what happens | 22:54 |
| * Jaffa thinks a massively popular phone-style device would be fantastic for Maemo. It'll just end up being a different Maemo and device to the ones we've grown with. | 22:54 | |
| lardman | yep | 22:54 |
| Stskeeps | i would love a open maemophone | 22:54 |
| Stskeeps | especially after spending some time with the freerunner.. | 22:54 |
| * Meiz_n810 wants Cortex-A9 based netbook | 22:54 | |
| Stskeeps | :P | 22:54 |
| Stskeeps | Meiz_n810: touch book | 22:55 |
| Meiz_n810 | Stskeeps: Cortex-A9? | 22:55 |
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| lardman | I want a kb though! | 22:55 |
| Stskeeps | Meiz_n810: fair enough, a8 | 22:55 |
| Meiz_n810 | A9 would be nice | 22:55 |
| Meiz_n810 | 1GHz 4-core | 22:56 |
| Meiz_n810 | and still a long battery life :) | 22:56 |
| * lcuk doesnt even run his laptop at 1ghz | 22:56 | |
| mavhc | what don't you like about the freerunner Stskeeps? | 22:56 |
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| Stskeeps | mavhc: armv4t, for starters, their mini sd slot, the awkward position of buttons, the software(s) | 22:57 |
| Stskeeps | i kinda like their gps and accelerometer though | 22:57 |
| * xnt14 runs his laptop at 2.11Ghz | 22:57 | |
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| mavhc | the microsd slot is badly placed? | 22:58 |
| Stskeeps | evening johnx | 22:58 |
| timelys | Stskeeps, ping | 22:58 |
| Stskeeps | timelys: pong | 22:58 |
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| Stskeeps | mavhc: nah, that one is okay, it's just a bitch to get up | 22:58 |
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| GeneralAntilles | Meiz_n810, wait until next year. | 23:00 |
| Meiz_n810 | Cortex-A9 will come 2010? | 23:01 |
| Meiz_n810 | great | 23:01 |
| GeneralAntilles | Yes | 23:01 |
| lardman | so, is the n810 screen actually smaller than that on the n800? | 23:01 |
| GeneralAntilles | ES units are just being produced. | 23:01 |
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| GeneralAntilles | lardman, no, they're all the same size. | 23:01 |
| GeneralAntilles | 4.13" | 23:01 |
| lardman | I thought so | 23:01 |
| lardman | but the Pandora screen is slightly larger then, at 4.3" | 23:02 |
| minra | i am getting the 2453rd one | 23:02 |
| johnx | morning :) | 23:03 |
| minra | hope n900 gets sold at retail stores | 23:03 |
| minra | hi | 23:03 |
| lardman | I will have to send an email and see if they are taking the Google checkout orders | 23:03 |
| rm_you | god, why is everyone freaking out? just wait for Nokia to tell you what the actual device is, THEN freak out, I hate rumors and speculation <_< | 23:04 |
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| qwerty12_N800 | hi johnx | 23:04 |
| johnx | morning qwerty12_N800 :D | 23:04 |
| lardman | rm_you: not enough news :) | 23:04 |
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| lardman | lol @ http://talk.maemo.org/showpost.php?p=290000&postcount=176 | 23:05 |
| mavhc | who's this texrat, and why does he want the sarcasm to stop, doesn't he realise some of us are british? | 23:06 |
| lardman | he was a Nokia employee | 23:06 |
| Jaffa | USian. | 23:07 |
| GAN800 | The he had a meltdown | 23:07 |
| johnx | the funny thing is, I already assumed those were the specs months ago and was still looking forward to it | 23:07 |
| Jaffa | Laid-off. | 23:07 |
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| Jaffa | johnx: didn't share the screen part number joy ;-) | 23:07 |
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| johnx | GA and I were talking about it on here | 23:07 |
| johnx | it's in the logs | 23:08 |
| Jaffa | Ah well | 23:08 |
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| johnx | that was like 6 months ago and all I came up with was a hunch, nothing I could really be certain of | 23:08 |
| Jaffa | A post on tmo would hopefully distract from such things as "Open letter to the Maemo community" | 23:08 |
| lardman | at least Peter's last comment leaves room for there to be a proper 'tablet' device | 23:08 |
| Stskeeps | johnx: the question is if it's in rx51 or rx71 config | 23:09 |
| johnx | that's the rx51 | 23:09 |
| johnx | the rx71 won't have a qwerty pad I think | 23:09 |
| * Jaffa breathes deeply, as Texrat exhorts, as his "letter" of pleading to stop the sniping is nothing but full of sniping. | 23:09 | |
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| johnx | also, any zaurus users have known that a 3.5" to 3.8" screen is totally usable | 23:09 |
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| lardman | johnx: I disagree, I was more than happy to go up the scale | 23:10 |
| lardman | well usable perhaps, but not ideal for anything I wanted to use it for | 23:10 |
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| johnx | I was too, but going down by .8" of screen size in exchange by tons more power I'll take it | 23:10 |
| * Meiz_n810 will use his broken n810 until Cortex-A9 jumps out | 23:10 | |
| lardman | videos on the Zaurus were always painful, the size that is | 23:11 |
| mavhc | can't we just make a stretchy screen? | 23:11 |
| lardman | and reading stuff, webpages, docs, etc. were equally so | 23:11 |
| * johnx shrugs | 23:11 | |
| GAN800 | 4.1", 1024x600 | 23:11 |
| GAN800 | make my year | 23:11 |
| lardman | It was a cool device to hack with, but not to be productive with (imho), for that I need something more like the Psion 5 | 23:11 |
| johnx | I still use my zaurus from time to time. biggest with the zaurus for me was lack of RAM | 23:11 |
| johnx | GAN800: I bet they're still hilariously tied to 800x480 in some way :> | 23:12 |
| mavhc | seeing as the n810 can't actually play 800x480 videos... | 23:12 |
| lardman | GAN800: res is really of little interest to me, actual size of words on the screen is | 23:12 |
| Stskeeps | i wonder if you can make a touchscreen magnifying glass | 23:12 |
| Stskeeps | as in, touchscreen surface on it | 23:12 |
| Proteous | heh | 23:13 |
| lardman | like the ones you get in the back of an atlas :) | 23:13 |
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| * Proteous TVs to watch some head | 23:13 | |
| Proteous | er | 23:14 |
| qwerty12_N800 | haha | 23:14 |
| johnx | Stskeeps: I wonder if that was the idea behind the palm pre's curved screen... | 23:14 |
| Stskeeps | johnx: heck, i'd go for retina overlay.. | 23:15 |
| Stskeeps | :P | 23:15 |
| Proteous | not sure how the touchscreen would work on that though | 23:15 |
| Proteous | sounds painfull | 23:15 |
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| kfx | I hate cisco cleanaccess so much | 23:16 |
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| johnx | kfx: I just hate cisco so much | 23:16 |
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| kfx | excellent point | 23:17 |
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| * Stskeeps glances oddly at his freerunner | 23:18 | |
| johnx | I've had far too much interaction with them to have any warm and fuzzy feelings towards them | 23:18 |
| Stskeeps | why does it claim it signed on to a network.. | 23:18 |
| Stskeeps | (i put in a hong kong FCCW card) | 23:18 |
| GAN800 | HAXERS | 23:18 |
| johnx | Stskeeps: the CIA is tracking you | 23:18 |
| Stskeeps | johnx: i have one of the most predictable patterns, heck, they dont even need to track me, just follow me for a day | 23:19 |
| Stskeeps | :P | 23:19 |
| kfx | "connected to network ECHELON" | 23:20 |
| johnx | you ascribe fairly optimistic levels of competency ... | 23:20 |
| mavhc | top secret things are competant, no oversight to tell you to do something stupid | 23:21 |
| CutMeOwnThroat | lbt, I'm not sure how scratchbox works... I see I can install it on in i386 system, tough... | 23:22 |
| minra | the new talk.maemo.org works great on tablet. good job! fast... | 23:23 |
| Stskeeps | bbl sleep | 23:23 |
| GAN800 | looks like a really shitty kickstand, too. | 23:23 |
| GAN800 | http://www.cellpassion.com/news/2009/05/25/nokia-rover-is-an-n97-killer-internet-tablet.aspx | 23:23 |
| GAN800 | Nokia sure knows how to screw the pooch | 23:24 |
| minra | scratchbox lets you build programs for maemo CutMeOwnThroat | 23:24 |
| johnx | 'night Stskeeps | 23:24 |
| minra | it compiles to arm or x86 | 23:24 |
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| johnx | minra: you can do either | 23:24 |
| CutMeOwnThroat | ok, but it can't contain all the libraries one needs ... | 23:25 |
| minra | or | 23:25 |
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| minra | you need to download missing ones into scratchbox environment | 23:25 |
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| CutMeOwnThroat | mm, no README.Debian | 23:26 |
| johnx | CutMeOwnThroat: check out the guide online | 23:27 |
| CutMeOwnThroat | checking the regular readme now | 23:27 |
| lbt | CutMeOwnThroat: what do you actually want to do? | 23:28 |
| CutMeOwnThroat | lbt, just get some simple packages that I miss (e.g. less) | 23:28 |
| Jaffa | GAN800: That photo looks very odd - a Diablo-ish screenshot? | 23:28 |
| GAN800 | Jaffa, yeah, looks like Maemo 3 icons on Chinook. | 23:28 |
| CutMeOwnThroat | lbt, perhaps some less-simple stuff somewhat lateron :) | 23:30 |
| |R | # | 23:30 |
| |R | Bands: GSM Quad-Band 850, 900, 1800, 1900. WCDMA 900, 1700/2100, 2100 <- does that mean ... all at the same time? | 23:30 |
| lbt | In that case sbox is what you want | 23:30 |
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| CutMeOwnThroat | I'd seen it mentioned... was just hesitant, so thanks for the kick :) | 23:31 |
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| johnx | though, just so you know, I think less is available from somewhere | 23:32 |
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| CutMeOwnThroat | apropos... what's doing the job of iwconfig? that network-manager itself? | 23:33 |
| lbt | what's the latest fremantle dev env? | 23:33 |
| lbt | http://maemo.org/development/sdks/pre_alpha_installation/ | 23:33 |
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| GAN800 | beta | 23:34 |
| lbt | <sigh> http://maemo.org/development/sdks/maemo_5-0/ gives ^^ link | 23:34 |
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| minra | any way to get hidef youtubes playing back without hiccups on mplayer (via mytube)? | 23:35 |
| CutMeOwnThroat | lbt, last 3 sentences you were not talking to me, were you? | 23:36 |
| lbt | no :) | 23:36 |
| CutMeOwnThroat | good :) | 23:36 |
| johnx | minra: what resolution and video/audio codecs are they? | 23:36 |
| lbt | Need to setup sbox on a laptop for the Danish weekend though | 23:36 |
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| minra | i dont know | 23:36 |
| minra | flash video | 23:36 |
| minra | even if i hide mplayer, the audio hiccups | 23:37 |
| minra | maybe i try -vo null | 23:37 |
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| Stskeeps | timeless_mbp: ooo impress | 23:38 |
| timeless_mbp | i'm sorry :) | 23:39 |
| qwerty12_N800 | minra, -novideo - vo null just stops it from being outputted, not decoded | 23:39 |
| minra | meh | 23:39 |
| CutMeOwnThroat | minra, -novideo | 23:40 |
| qwerty12_N800 | there's a difference, believe me, even more o when regarding the tablet ;) | 23:40 |
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| kfx | 3.5" screen? ugh | 23:41 |
| Stskeeps | timeless_mbp: at least it antialiases text | 23:41 |
| johnx | heh, screen size is the same as the touch ... | 23:42 |
| rm_you | timeless_mbp: so i see you're going to be at CPH? | 23:43 |
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| CutMeOwnThroat | johnx, and you guys were right, the media-player that comes with the N818 shows better performance than mplayer.... although that's strange, thinking how obsessed the mplayer guys are with good performance :) | 23:44 |
| timeless_mbp | :) | 23:44 |
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| johnx | CutMeOwnThroat: depends on the codec used | 23:45 |
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| johnx | nokia has a better ARM AAC decoder I believe, which makes a huge difference | 23:45 |
| CutMeOwnThroat | hehe... weelll... too true, I installed mplayer because the other player couldn't decode the 1st video I tried at all :) | 23:45 |
| johnx | also, keep in mind that mplayer for x86 and for ARM will have different levels of optimization | 23:45 |
| johnx | the mp3 decoder in mplayer-arm is *fast* for example | 23:46 |
| CutMeOwnThroat | easy to imagine, I found lots of discussions on it | 23:47 |
| CutMeOwnThroat | they probably didn't put too much effort into other architectures than x86 | 23:48 |
| GeneralAntilles | There's a lot of room for opts in MPlayer | 23:48 |
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| johnx | the "they" for mplayer x86 and mplayer arm are different people | 23:48 |
| GeneralAntilles | 3.5" . . . I'm inclined to be really pissed at Nokia for making me waste a ton of time and effort on a platform they're going to hamstring. | 23:49 |
| johnx | the people (person?) optimizing mplayer for ARM put in a lot of work, but in the end ran out of energy since they weren't getting much help | 23:49 |
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| johnx | GeneralAntilles: yeah, just like everyone looked at the iphone and said "3.5", I'll stick to the Newton." | 23:50 |
| minra | phone customers dont buy n810 sized appliances GeneralAntilles | 23:50 |
| GeneralAntilles | johnx, that's exactly what I did. | 23:50 |
| johnx | GeneralAntilles: you're not the "core market" :) | 23:50 |
| GeneralAntilles | I don't want a phone, I want an internet tablet. | 23:50 |
| lbt | Mer | 23:50 |
| johnx | phones sell, ipods sell, tablets don't | 23:50 |
| GeneralAntilles | and unfortunately I've wasted years of my life on a platform that's going in a direction that doesn't work for me. | 23:51 |
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| johnx | GeneralAntilles: come to the dark side. We'll be supporting some pretty interesting hardware | 23:51 |
| lbt | You mean the next device doesn't work | 23:51 |
| johnx | s/dark/light/ | 23:51 |
| infobot | johnx meant: GeneralAntilles: come to the light side. We'll be supporting some pretty interesting hardware | 23:51 |
| GeneralAntilles | johnx, I'm burnt out. | 23:51 |
| minra | i think maemo will have life on larger devices | 23:51 |
| kfx | 15:40 < johnx> GeneralAntilles: you're not the "core market" :) | 23:52 |
| kfx | there is no "core market" for a $700 pocket-sized linux tablet | 23:52 |
| minra | i say johnx old chap you wouldnt happen to have any more ui tweaks for exult? | 23:53 |
| lbt | GeneralAntilles: now I suggest : ask not what you can do for Maemo, but what Maemo can do for you... | 23:53 |
| CutMeOwnThroat | kfx, you mean it's like... all spread out? | 23:53 |
| Jaffa | lbt: :-) | 23:54 |
| Jaffa | GeneralAntilles: There's always some recoup to be made from device programmes & ebay. | 23:54 |
| GeneralAntilles | lbt, not much. | 23:54 |
| GeneralAntilles | Jaffa, sounds like a worthwhile blog post. | 23:54 |
| Jaffa | Though looking at the timescales at mobilecrunch, a European device programme in October (post-summit?) would not be fun | 23:54 |
| CutMeOwnThroat | johnx, ok, I never bothered with mplayer enough to know that... I just liked how well it worked on x86 and read a bit on the fights the authors picked with debian and others | 23:55 |
| GeneralAntilles | Let's home there's something in the RX-71 | 23:55 |
| kfx | I spend a looot of time picking fights with debian | 23:56 |
| johnx | minra: I never even played exult ... | 23:56 |
| kfx | about as much time as they spend patching software until it stops working | 23:56 |
| GeneralAntilles | If not, I suspect I'll be moving on. | 23:56 |
| johnx | GeneralAntilles: it'd be a shame to have you head off right when Mer is starting to come together | 23:56 |
| CutMeOwnThroat | kfx, hehe, well, they probably got good reasons to do so :) | 23:57 |
| minra | johnx sorry, nm | 23:57 |
| lbt | GeneralAntilles: and that's what I meant... Mer is using the maemo stuff (and contributing back!) | 23:57 |
| johnx | especially since the smartq 7 would fit a lot of people's wants/needs | 23:58 |
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| minra | maybe you should wait to try the n900 b4 judging it | 23:58 |
| GeneralAntilles | minra, 3.5" doesn't leave me with a lot of hope. | 23:58 |
| lbt | minra: sacrilige!! | 23:58 |
| GeneralAntilles | My two big use cases are basically torpedoed by that size. | 23:58 |
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| GeneralAntilles | johnx, SmartQ is slow. | 23:58 |
| kfx | CutMeOwnThroat: yeah, they generally do: http://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=363516 | 23:59 |
| sanjay6976 | hi | 23:59 |
| GeneralAntilles | Cheap Chineses non-upgrade to my N800. | 23:59 |
| * GeneralAntilles sighs. | 23:59 | |
| minra | i am typing in a 3.5 window now | 23:59 |
| johnx | GeneralAntilles: well, it's no cortex a8 to be sure, but it seems faster than the n8x0 | 23:59 |
| minra | left side is hildon menu bar. bottom side is the text assist | 23:59 |
| minra | which i cannot seem to turn off | 23:59 |
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