IRC log of #maemo for Sunday, 2009-05-24

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mateusi'm sorry this question, scratchbox have is support the mamona?00:48
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amrthis doesn't bode well02:01
amrfor the n810, whats the procedure for putting it away for a while02:01
amri slide the key lock thing and then put it in the sleeve02:01
amri've done it twice now and the battery has gone flat02:02
ShadowJKIf you're connected to a wifi accesspoint that doesn't support, or has crappy wifi psm, the wireless will drain the battery in a few hours02:03
amrah shit, i don't turn it into offline mode02:03
amrthat's probably it02:03
amri was used to my 770's slide turning it into "standby" and putting itself into offline mode02:03
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amroh hrm, i did put it into offline mode02:08
amri think02:08
amrwell ill just see what happens tonight02:08
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ShadowJKcheck that bluetooth+gps is disabled02:09
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ShadowJKafter offlining it and slide-lock, check again in an hour or two to see if it reconnected.. apps can request internet connectivity to be activated02:10
ShadowJKThough "Offline mode" from the powerbutton menu probably shouldn't allow that02:10
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amrill have a tinker02:12
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GeneralAntillesTalk can burn.02:34
lcukheh @ you writing that through gritted teeth gan :D02:36
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GeneralAntilleslcuk, I don't get the irrationality.02:41
GeneralAntillesIt just makes me angry whenever I read topics there.02:42
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lcukheh, find zen somewhere02:43
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GeneralAntilleslcuk, pretty much anywhere but Talk these days.02:45
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amrhi :)02:46
lcukhiya amr02:46
amrnext door's wifi, bed and irc02:47
amrlife is good..... except for exams02:47
GeneralAntillesamr, the rtcomm beta may be a better solution than Pidgin, by the way.02:47
amrscary, i was just about to install that lol02:48
lcukxchat is even better02:48
lcuksimpler i think02:48
GeneralAntillesamr, not perfect, but it saves space and isn't quite as obnoxious as Pidgin.02:48
GeneralAntilleslcuk, I'm assuming for IM. ;)02:49
amrim on xchat now02:49
amryeah, for im02:49
lcuki added a basic irc listening bot in liqbase02:49
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lcukit just logs everything to a liqcell window in mono font, but it shows the effect of connecting02:49
lcukhiya ssvb \o02:50
amrhow long has it taken you to write liqbase?02:50
amri havent looked at the source but its pretty sweet looking from the vids02:51
lcukwell i knew that i wanted to touch wayyyyyyy back when i had a spectrum02:51
lcukcos i had a touch pen02:51
lcukthen i saw something described as "the devils tablet" and that was a handheld lcd tablet with chorded pen02:51
lcukit was about £20000 :)02:52
amrouch lol02:52
lcuksince then ive been daydreaming about touching my code02:52
GeneralAntillesCalculators are probably faster these days.02:52
amri started years ago on a casio tablet02:52
lcukgan :) and they are - i hold in my hand more power than then02:52
amrmonochrome, serial connections etc02:53
amrhad a big userbase with lots ofv silly apps02:53
lcuki found code for rendering a mandelbrot fractal image for my spectrum - the initial first iconic mandel-bug shape took it over 24 hours to render!02:53
GeneralAntilleslcuk, I still think you would love the Newton.02:54
lcukjust before christmas i wrote a touch based fractal explorer :)02:54
amrthen had a palm 150? then 515 then a nokia 770 :p02:54
lcuki probably will gan02:54
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amroh, spectrum02:54
amrnm :p02:54
lcukit never got released and was nothing major, just a mo, ill check if the module is in the classic liqbase svn02:55
lcuk9th of november lol02:55
amrhmm, need to make xchat open links :p02:56
GeneralAntillesamr, tap'n'hold02:57
amraha, ty02:57
amrthe theremin app is pretty cool02:57
lcukyou will like boxar as well02:57
lcukthose apps are the confirmation for me that this device can do realtime audio02:58
lcuki keep wanting wind noise when scrolling02:58
lcukor as someone amazingly suggested - a page flipping noise when scrolling through a book02:58
amrthatd be snazzy02:59
lcukyeah it would02:59
amroh dear me, i went to bed to sleep so i can get up early to revise03:00
amrinstead im playing with my tablet03:00
lcukhow well do you tube vids play on the tablet03:01
amrnot sure03:04
amrboxar is COOL btw :D03:04
timeless_mbplcuk: that url fails? :(03:06
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lcukdoesnt now03:07
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lcuktheres also
lcukit was the last thing i did before i rebuilt liqbase03:08
lcukonce i knew what it felt like to zoom in :)03:08
amrhmmm, i need telepathy-haze03:10
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lcukgnite amr03:20
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Macerhow depressing03:50
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rm_youhey, someone here with osc working want to tell me wtf i did wrong with the setup?05:11
rm_youmkdir: cannot create directory `/home/adam/Mer/.build-root/': File exists05:11
rm_youcan not create BUILD_ROOT=/home/adam/Mer/.build-root/. Exit...05:11
rm_you... it creates it, so yes it exists already... it is trying to create it twice?05:12
rm_youdid i use an extra slash or something that is making it explode?05:12
rm_youStskeepsie: ideas?05:12
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rm_yougah well brb rebooting to fix intel video driver issues...05:15
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xnt14~seen b-man06:38
infobotb-man <> was last seen on IRC in channel #maemo, 2d 4h 27m 21s ago, saying: 'wtf'.06:39
xnt14oh ok06:40
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lardmanmorning all07:06
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johnx__morning lardman07:06
lardmanhi johnx__07:07
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* lardman wonders if he should just go back to bed, ~5am is too early07:09
Maceranybody here ever mod a wii?07:10
* lardman has never owned a console, so no, sorry07:10
johnxMacer: I did the twilight hack07:11
johnxno hardware mods though07:11
Macertwilight hack?07:11
johnxMacer: it takes advantage of a buffer overflow in twilight princess07:12
Macerisn't compatible with newer wii menus tho07:13
johnxi guess not07:13
Macerscrew that. i will buy this solderless mod chip they have that is supposed to work extremely well07:13
johnxshould have gotten into it sooner ;)07:13
johnxyou could just wait until they find a hack for a new game07:14
Macerwell. the mod chip doesn't require a hack07:15
Maceralthough it does require opening it up.. but mine is way out of warranty anyways07:15
Macerand they're only $250 so blah ;)07:15
Macerit's not like before when you couldn't find wiis07:15
Macerdon't even have to solder :)07:16
johnxi suppose so07:17
johnxI think software hacks are a lot more elegant though07:17
lardmanwhat does the hack allow?07:18
johnxeverything :)07:18
johnxright up to running linux on your wii07:19
lardmanah, ok07:19
lardmanbut it wouldn't, for example, allow me to clutch the wii remote, wish for a Fremantle device, and it would appear?07:19
* lardman wonders at the definition of everything... ;)07:19
johnxit would allow you to run mer on your wii and flip at it with the wiimote once I get around to cleaning it up ;)07:21
lardmansounds cool07:21
Maceryeah .. i have v4.0u07:22
rm_yougah is the version of VIM in extras totally borken? >_>07:22
Macerso i'm screwed with this hack07:22
Maceralthough there is another one07:22
Macerbanner bomb?07:22
johnxnever heard of it07:23
johnxhaven't touched my wii in a couple weeks07:23
* johnx face palms07:23
Maceroh. 4.0 lets you use an sdhc07:23
Macerwhich is awesome07:23
johnxlinux on wii had sdhc support for a while ;)07:23
Macerhow is it on the wii?07:24
* Macer wants to hax0r his wii now haha07:24
Maceri have had it for this long and really haven't done much with it07:24
Maceri'm going to hax0r it soon :) i'm downloading the bannerbomb exploit07:25
Macerhopefully i don't brick it lol07:25
johnxnah, the hacks on the wii are usually pretty safe07:25
johnxnintendo isn't out to brick people's consoles (unlike sony and the psp, or apple and the iphone)07:25
lardmanI'm heading back to bed, 5am was too early :) See you chaps later07:25
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Macerprobably because they realize the larger market won't go through the trouble07:26
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Macerjohnx: ?07:35
MacerGet a DOL or ELF07:35
Macerwtf is that?07:36
johnxELF is a type of binary07:37
johnxlinux uses ELF binaries, so does the wii07:37
Macerwell i know that but the instructions...07:37
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johnxthe DOL is a wrapper around ELF from what I can tell07:37
MacerGet a DOL or ELF (why not bootmii?) and put it on the SD as /boot.dol or /boot.elf.07:37
johnxmorning GAN80007:37
Macerwhere the hell do i find boot.dol or boot.elf? :)07:38
johnxMacer: yeah, and that program will get run07:38
GAN800Hi, johnx.07:38
johnxMacer, so find *any* program and name it boot.dol or boot.elf07:38
johnxlike, in your case, homebrew channel might be nice :)07:39
Macerlol. that is what i'm using07:40
Macerlet's see if this works :)07:42
Macerif it does it will be entirely too easy07:42
johnxwhen I did it twilight hack and homebrew channel came in a zip file that I unpacked onto an sd card07:44
johnxway way too easy :)07:45
johnxnot so much?07:46
Macerinstallation failed :)07:46
Macerdoesn't work. i think i need a newer homebrew?07:48
Macerhomebrew actually tried to install but it won't install07:48
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Macerah. have to use the hackmii instlaler07:56
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johnxgood deal07:59
johnxit's cool that the hack works08:00
Macerheh.. i don't know exactly what to install first08:02
Macerthey don't have much in way of instrtuctions08:02
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Maceri guess i will just go in order but this is a nice hack08:03
Macerhas a neat little installer and everything :)08:03
johnxyeah, homebrew browser + homebrew channel are a nice setup08:04
Macerwhat is the difference between installing bootmii as boot2 or ios?08:04
johnxhaven't messed with bootmi though08:04
johnxerrr....I have no idea :)08:04
Macerhaha i don't either08:04
MacerFor many people, that will be enough.  For the intrepid or foolish, HackMii Installer v0.1 can install BootMii Beta 1 on your Wii, either in front of boot2 or as an IOS.08:05
Macerscrew it.. i'll just pick one :)08:05
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Macerwtf. why isn't my wii remote working for this menu for bootmii08:14
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GAN800and they call me revisionist. . . .08:16
Macerwell. i got homebrew to run on this thing08:22
Macerdon't know exactly what good it is08:22
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GAN800Macer, emulators mostly.08:32
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GAN800Macer, mplayer08:33
StsN800morn GAN80008:39
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RST38hMoo Sts, Macer, GAN08:45
johnxmorning StsN800, RST38h08:47
RST38hheya johnx08:48
StsN800morn johnnx08:48
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* RST38h checks the forums and finds out banana peel flying all around there08:50
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StsN801gah fonera router08:52
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Maceri already figured that out ;)09:15
Maceralthough i rarely use dvds09:15
Maceri just wanted it because you never know :)09:15
Macernow all i need to find his this usb loader thing09:16
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BobbeGuys, how do you record your n800 running, say, for a video tutorial?09:46
BobbeI wanna do one on cloning the OS to the mmc in Portuguese09:47
Bobbeis there a screen recorder app for the n800? I tried looking but got nothing09:47
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johnxI think lots of people either use a digital camera that can record video or use vnc from their desktop/laptop09:49
johnxRST38h: a couple weeks ago we were talking about Tear and slashdot. with the cookie bug fixed in tear it's actually quite enjoyable to look at slashdot. just played with it today09:50
Bobberun vncserver from the n800 and connect through my pc. Ok, that might work. Won't the video be a bit sluggish?09:50
johnxit might, but you can speed it up later if you want ;)09:50
Bobbewill try that. thanks johnx ;)09:50
RST38hjohnx: I have got a version of Tear that is a few weeks old (0.3.1?)09:51
johnxmake sure you pickup the fixed webkit then09:51
RST38hjohnx: Slashdot still unusable with it09:51
johnxit's at the top of the 0.3.1 thread09:51
RST38hyea, I have got both then. May need to update once more.09:51
johnxit's working ok here, even comments09:53
johnxtakes about 15 seconds to load the main page and maybe 20 to load comments09:53
thuxdoes tear have config file somewhere?09:53
Sho_thux: it uses an sqlite database for config storage, afaik09:54
thuxSho_: ok, so it cannot be easily edited?09:54
johnxit has an about:config type thing I think09:55
Sho_thux: not from outside the app anyway, no09:55
johnxRST38h: I get the feeling that the fancy js crufy isn't enabled in the comments for me09:55
johnxthus making the whole site much more usable09:55
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Macerfuck yeah11:02
Macerfinished hax0ring my wii :)11:02
Macerneed to download some games11:02
StsN801now you can put mer on it;p11:02
Maceri will if you make a wii build :)11:03
Macerthey actually have a linux distro for it (go figure)11:03
Macergod knows there is a distro for everything nowadays11:03
Maceri'm going to install linux on my penis11:03
Macerruns 2.2411:04
StsN801we actually have mer for wii-johnx ported it11:04
Macerwow really?11:04
StsN801its a powerpc so11:04
Macerthought they had arm wiis11:04
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johnxmaybe one of their sound chips is an ARM, but the main CPU is a PPC11:05
johnxit's almost the same as the Gamecube PPC, except faster11:05
Macerwhat kind?11:05
Macerdamn. honestly didn't know that11:05
johnxit's pretty close to a Mac G311:05
Macerwhat is it like a G4?11:05
Macera g3?!11:05
Macerwelcome to 199011:05
Maceri guess that explains why it's not hd?11:05
johnxyou're off by 10 years :P11:06
Macerprobably uses some archaic ati too? :)11:06
Macerlike a radeon x70011:06
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StsN801wii doesn't really need fancy gfx though11:06
johnxand really, a G3 at ~700MHz feels insanely fast after compiling on an n800 :)11:07
johnxlike, kernel compile inside a half hour fast :)11:07
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Macermy g3 was like...11:13
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Macer350MHz or some crap11:13
Macermaybe 40011:13
johnxwell, they kept the architecture and bumped the speed11:13
johnxjust like the atom is an overclocked original pentium ;P11:13
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Macerman i'm still stuck on the girl from ncis11:15
Macerif i get a girlfriend i want her to be a hot colored eyed doctor like her with the sweet voice :)11:15
johnxthat sounds awkard11:15
Maceri'm about to bust out the stalker kit11:15
johnxs/awkard/very awkard/11:16
infobotjohnx meant: that sounds very awkard11:16
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radics/test/muhh blah/11:16
infobotradic meant: muhh blah11:16
Maceri hope this wii hackery works11:18
Macerthat would be amazing11:18
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Macerno mod chip and it just kind of works?11:18
Maceri won't believe it until i see it11:18
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johnxdidn't you already run the hack and you're just installing stuff now?11:20
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Macerwell. i got the backup channel installed11:20
Maceri'm downloading something to burn and test out11:21
Macermight give me a reason to get more dvds ;)11:21
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Macerit has about 20 mins to go for the download11:21
johnxMacer: blah. onto warezing before you even check out what's available for free? :/11:21
Macerwell.. i did that too11:22
Macerit has abrowser with like... mplayer and stuff11:22
Maceropen stuff.. nothing specail11:22
Macerhas quake1 :)11:22
Macerworks pretty good with teh pistol thing i got11:22
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johnxhas a full debian-based distro too11:23
Macerfor wii?11:23
Macerhow does one use a keyboard for that?11:23
Macera bt keyboard?11:23
Maceror is there an actual wii keyboard? :)11:23
Maceri just can't see a wii running things good11:23
johnxand yet you didn't try it ...11:24
johnxalso, uhm, usb ports are in the back11:24
johnxand yeah, bt or onscreen is an option as well11:24
johnxwas thinking tear would work pretty well with kinetic scrolling and a wiimote11:24
Stskeepshehe, that'd be a fancy demo11:28
johnxeven I'm not optimistic enough to claim I can pull that off *soon*11:29
johnxI'll haul the wii along with me anyways though11:29
Stskeepshehe, and hope it doesn't get mistaken for something in the security checks :P11:31
Stskeepsimagine the trouble beagleboard people have. :11:31
Maceri want this stupid download to finish already11:32
Maceri need the 20GB/s internet connection11:32
johnxheh, I can just picture how well a beagleboard+homemade battery pack would go over with US "homeland security"11:33
Macerwtf is it used for anyways?11:35
Stskeepsbeagleboard? beagleboard.org11:35
Maceryeah. i'm looking at it now11:35
Stskeepsit's a omap3 basically11:35
Macerno arm windows?11:37
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Stskeepspft :P11:37
Stskeepsit has windows ce. :P11:37
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Macer800MB to go!11:42
Macercmon punch out11:42
Maceri hope i don't have stupid problems11:42
Macerlike ntsc / pal compatibility11:42
Maceri'm going to be pissed if i do11:42
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rkirti_Do I need to custom build and reinstall my gtk  with the MAEMO_CHANGES  defined to manually compile osso stuff (which currently breaks due to TAP and HOLD stuff being undefined)?12:03
Sts|officeyes - you need to use maemo gtk for that12:03
Macerisn't it strange that almost all advancements in the electronic industry are made in order to make things go faster12:05
Sts|officeyeah, but people have realized the ghz border have been hit12:05
roopeor consume less power.12:05
Sts|officeor yeah, consume less power12:05
Macerwell.. not only cpu power12:06
Macerhard drives.. burners...12:06
Sts|officecos time is money12:06
Macersometimes i think they already have things that can go the true maximum speed but hold them back12:06
Macerhm. wonder if the wii can use a usb hard drives for video12:07
Macerblah. that is a waste of time12:07
Maceri have a popcornhour :)12:07
Macerwhat i need is a wii app that can use samba12:07
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johnxMacer: it's an app called linux12:13
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aquatixMacer: hard drives generally only become bigger12:16
aquatixtheir change in speed is less steep than what you see with cpus and memory12:16
aquatixMacer: ah, you have such a popcorn? how do you like it?12:17
rkirti_Sts|office: the source repo for maemo-gtk isnt quite visible on any search engine. It seems to be svn but that needs a login - and my doesnt seem to work..12:17
* aquatix wants to build something similar12:17
Stskeepsrkirti_: naah. sec :)12:17
Stskeepstry ?12:18
Maceraquatix: it's great12:18
Maceraquatix: hey .. i have a fully functional mboard if you want it12:18
Macerfor an a11012:18
Maceryou'll need an adapter and a remote control and case for it tho12:18
Macerwhen my a100 broke they sent me an a110 mboard by accident then sent me the a100s replacement and didn't care about the 11012:19
rkirti_Stskeeps: ok. I ignored this page earlier since there seems to be an evidence of maemo-gtk-2.10 on the web ..12:19 otherwise12:20
aquatixMacer: hm, i was thinking about a pentium-m 1.6GHz mobo i could buy from a guy i know12:20
aquatixnot sure whether a popcorn is fast enough12:20
Macermy bad12:22
Maceri doubt it12:22
aquatixyour bad?12:22
aquatixi was just wondering in general :)12:22
aquatixbut can a popcorn play 720p?12:22
Macer1080p ;)12:25
Macerdoes a fair job of it12:25
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aquatixhm :)12:26
Macerso far it hasn't had many problems playing whatever i throw at it12:27
Macerand the firmware updates are constant and good12:27
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aquatixi have a nice tv card which i barely used yet and want to put into the machine; then i'll have a dvcr, mediabox and such12:28
aquatixi have a regular CRT tv anyway12:29
thuxdoes lsusb -vvvv tell correct port voltage or just what it supposed to be?12:29
atharvahi all, can sumbudy help me how to install pymaemo, I would like  to develop application for maemo platform using python12:29
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Maceraquatix: best thing i ever used was in windows12:31
Macersome open source project things12:31
Macerit's good12:31
aquatixthinking about xbmc or something12:31
Macerbut it takes too much power to play high def12:31
amrgraph theory is a meanie.12:31
Maceryou need something strong12:31
Macer720p might play on mid grade hardware but you need at least 2.6GHz dual core for high def12:31
Macerbecause the player is going to use 100% of one of the cores decoding it no matter what you use12:32
Macerat least for pc hardware unless you find a good h264 hw decoder that works with teh player12:32
Macerthis shit works12:35
Maceri can play wii games :)12:35
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Maceri am playing a burned punch out now12:36
Macerno mod needed12:36
Macerthat is awesome12:36
Macertime to download every wii game out there now :)12:41
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lbtso my wife has a theory than man-flu evolved into swine-flu.... and it wasn't much of a jump...12:53
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Macerhm. ftpd for wii12:56
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ShadowJKAlthough this new "swine flu" didn't come from swine at all.13:01
Macertell that to the idiots slaughtering pigs :)13:03
Macerlike it's mad cow13:04
Maceri'm going to run out of space downloading all this crap13:04
* RST38h moos13:05
* RST38h especially liked the hypothesis that H1N1 came from the same lab that developed Tamiflu, by accident13:05
Macer 6.3T  1.5T  4.8T13:05
Macermaybe not soon.. i suppose i can rm them after i burn them13:05
suihkulokkia "accident" that makes lots of profit?13:05
Stskeepswasn't that the plot of mission impossible 2?13:06
Macersuihkulokki: i would believe it if the magic vaccine came out right after13:06
Macer"ChemPham Inc says it has the new swine flu vaccine readily available.."13:06
Macerdrug companies is where it's at :)13:07
RST38hSts: Apparently, it was not, let me dig some articles13:07
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Maceri wonder if the steering wheel thing is necessary to play mario kart13:08
StskeepsRST38h: very authorative url..13:08
Maceri'd give it to him if it was dancewithshadows.gov13:08
Macersome dude came on another # telling us how people were taking over computers with rootkit13:09
Macerit was a riot13:09
RST38hSts: It's ok, just google the names you find there13:09
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* RST38h really just pasted the first url that came up on google13:09
RST38hOf course the guy may just be trying to get some publicity13:10
MacerRST38h: you think? :)13:10
Macerare there ads on the site?13:10
RST38hMacer: I have no opinion on the subject, need more data.13:10
johnxprobably not. it would be totally unethical to take advantage of peoples' fear in order to make a quick buck13:11
johnxI mean what is the precendent of that?13:11
RST38hMacer: Gibbs has promised to publish an article on his research into H1N1 origins, so let us just wait for that13:11
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Macerthat would probably be on a .edu or .gov ;)13:11
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RST38hSemiofficial WHO answer:
Macer In no other game, for example, can you grab hold of a leather-clad enemy and impale him anus first on a rusty spike13:12
Macerdamn there are like a million rock band games13:13
Maceri never understood its appeal13:13
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RST38hIt is some teenage thing13:14
Maceri suppose13:14
Macerdid you see the south park where they try to reach 1million?13:14
Macerand one of them gets strung out on a game called chasing the dragon? :)13:15
Macerit was great13:15
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RST38hWeird part is , these games have been available years ago and there weren't any following13:15
Macernice to see they have bloody games on wii13:15
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* RST38h does not watch Southpark since finding Mr Hanky on TV during diner13:15
Macerage restricted video.. and all you have to do is enter your birthday13:16
Macermadworld looks awesome13:17
RazumihinHmm... scratchbox won't run on amd64? :P13:22
RST38hnot without some coaxing anyway13:27
RazumihinHmm... maybe i will install 32bit linux on virtualbox or something.13:27
RazumihinAnd sdk wont work with scratchbox2?13:28
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* thux had to install vista on two laptops :P suffering sunday13:32
* johnx jailbroke 10 ipod touches last week as part of his job13:33
lcuki can think of better things to do than install vista13:33
lcukooh look, i can pull my finger nail out!13:33
lcukheh johnx13:34
thuxi will give them away and that's why install orginal software13:36
RazumihinI just rebooted my computer to vista :(13:37
thuxbad laptops only good for typewriters13:37
RazumihinIsn't ubuntu better in typewriting than vista?13:37
RazumihinAt least i get suicidal thoughts every time i have to do something else besides playing games in vista.13:38
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RST38hYou can always imagine it is just an extremely anal retentive version of MacOS X13:38
RazumihinHaha. Nah, osx is _almost_ usable.13:39
Razumihin(i'm using it to irc right now)13:39
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RazumihinI have to use some adobe software so i have macbook with osx as my secondary desktop computer:)13:39
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thuxRazumihin: yes probably ubuntu is better but they rather have them with vistas13:42
Macerwell :)13:45
Macerwii does have some nice looking games13:45
* Macer works on the linux install now13:45
lcukjohnx, how can i get one of these13:45
RST38hbut why?13:46
johnxmaybe dynamism will get you one13:46
johnxthere are a couple other import sites, but I can't think of them right now and I'm off to bed in a sec actually13:47
johnxit being 4AM and all :)13:47
johnxif you poke at me again tomorrow I might be able to dredge up the sites from my memory13:47
lcukheh cool - still dont realize time diffs13:48
lcukRST38h, just because the more i look at em the more i ponder what if13:48
Maceri was always a big fan of the wikipedia contact lenses13:51
Macerwonder if darpa is working on it13:52
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RST38hlcuk: Closed, locked, try your luck with SmartQ14:01
lcukits the keyboard i like on that one actually14:02
RST38hMacer: Personally, I would prefer a truly intelligent flame bot to that14:02
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RST38hMacer: Imagine releasing a bunch of these on itt!14:02
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Macermy wii has found new life14:07
Macerit's actually worth using again. i should have done this a long time ago14:07
Maceri just figured modding it meant ripping it open and soldering shit all over the place14:08
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Maceri remember when to mod a ps2 you had to solder in like the pins and there were like 30 of them :)14:08
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lcukMacer, what did you need to do to your wii14:09
lcukand was it easy breaking into it14:09
* lcuk hated ripping down the wii14:09
Macerlcuk: it was pretty easy14:10
Macerneeded to download a few things onto an sd and run a few apps14:10
Macernow i can burn games and play them in a backup channel :)14:10
Macerit was all software14:10
Macerit's great14:10
lcukwhat if those games include updates14:10
Macerdon't know14:10
lcukcos ive seen a few do that now14:10
Maceri'm still running the latest firmeware14:10
Macer4.0u or something14:11
lcukdid you have yours updating over the wifi and stuff14:11
Maceryeah. i did that before i realized it probably wouldn't be a good thing :)14:11
Macerbut it seems to have maintained the same firmware ... there are a lot of extra steps but it still works just fine14:11
lcukcos we never configured ours and without major nintendo foo they wont ever touch the public internet even if it finds my wifi lol14:11
Macerespecially using the 4.0 mod pack14:11
Macerlike... minus the learning curve.. it took like 5 mins :)14:12
lcuki have always liked the wii14:12
Macerwith it... it took like 3014:12
lcuki think aspects of liqbase would work on it :$14:12
Macerwell.. sooner or later i am going to try to install linux on it14:12
Macerbut i haven't tried an sdhc and honestly don't see the need14:12
lcukyeah johnx was toying with mer14:12
Maceri think all i would have to do is copy the sd over to a new one and try it14:13
lcuksounds good14:13
Macer4.0 is supposed to support it14:13
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Maceri dunno though.. and i don't want to break it :) it's awesome for running l33t w4r3z games14:13
Maceri'm burning house of the dead now14:13
Macerand i think the backup channel lets you copy them to a usb drive if you borrow them but not really sure14:14
lcukthe kids have a nice collection of wii games now14:14
Macerlol. you wouldn't have had to buy them ;)14:14
Maceri'm downloading kids games for my 3 yr old son14:14
lcukdont mind paying tho tbh14:14
Maceri don't either but still14:14
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Macerless time at a store :) no lines14:14
Macerno online ordering and ups14:14
lcukthe amount of playtime we get is well worth the small money invested :)14:15
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lcukwould do the sd stuff only for homebrew and testing14:15
Macerhomebrew is easy14:15
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Macerthe backup channel was the pain14:16
Maceralthough homebrew isn't all that14:16
Maceri mean it has a few things that are interesting but for the most part i don't see the appeal.. it's like... using a low res pc with shitty apps :)14:16
Macernow if it could run osx.. that would be something14:16
lcukbut the screen cant14:16
Maceri think it does like...14:17
lcukits like running a maemo tablet from far away14:17
Macersome aweful res14:17
Maceri forgot what it maxes out at i think 420p14:17
Maceror some crap like that.. it's just not worth it14:17
lcukdunno i havent got a hd tv14:17
Macerwell.. i do and the games look good.. but the rest looks like crap14:17
Macerso i might just leave it alone and just use it for game playing :) since that's what it is supposed to be used for14:18
Maceri don't really see a need to use it as anything else unless i'm desperate14:18
Macerit would be nice to have samba or something on it14:18
Macerthey have a usb iso mounter but i haven't tried yet14:19
Macerso you can hook up an external hd with a bunch of isos on it instead of burning the games14:19
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Macerwii mer would be good if i had a kb for the thing14:19
Maceri want to play madworld :)14:20
Macerand house of the dead.. i think i am going to try them out now.. ttyl14:20
lcukheh cool cya later Macer14:20
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Macerlol. house of the dead is comical!14:35
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lcukhiya danielwilms \o16:02
danielwilmshey lcuk :)16:02
lcukhows the weather over there on this sunday16:02
lcukand more importantly, why arent you out enjoying it lol16:02
danielwilmsweather was quite ok this its cloudy...and well...some fixes with the SSO before my vacations next week ;)16:03
lcukahhh vacation time16:03
lcukyou seen the new vid of liqbase ?16:04
danielwilmsnooo...just came in16:04
lcukshows it as intended without messing with copying and folders and stuff16:04
lcukjust a mo16:04
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danielwilmswow...looks great16:06
lcukyou have only seen a bit so far :P16:06
danielwilmsalready impressed16:06
lcukand the vid only includes a fractioon of the pieces as well ;)16:06
lcukbut it gives the mood and feeling i hope to achieve :)16:07
danielwilmshow do u realize the search??16:08
lcukemerges out of simple pieces lol16:08
lcuki explain how its done16:09
lcuki even show you!16:09
lcukit wont scale forever and does need caching and does require thumbnailing etc16:10
lcukso tracker will be good, but the basis is there16:10
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danielwilmsok...sounds interesting16:10
danielwilmsa nice video!16:10
lcukyeah, much better than fish and abstract nonesense16:11
lcuki actually show how i like to use it and stuff16:11
danielwilmsyep...good overview about those things!16:11
lcukright at the start of liqbase i allowed every sketch to have a written tagline16:11
lcukand sometime mid process i removed it for some reason16:11
lcukbut now all my old tagged sketches are included in the search16:12
lcukill be putting the text ui back for sketches and photos16:12
lcukand allowing tagging etc there :)16:12
danielwilmsyay...a useful thing16:12
lcukyeah - the search feels like my brain itself16:13
lcukas i am typing or scrolling i see flashes of things from other topics and remember lots16:13
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lcukits so nice to have :)16:13
danielwilms:)16:13 coffee here on sundays :)16:14
lcukheh take a flask16:14
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thuxlcuk: looked really nice, but what is liqbase?16:18
lcukliqbase is the core groundwork for creating code i can touch and interact with16:19
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lcukvanishing, cya later danielwilms \o16:25
danielwilmslcuk bye bye16:25
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MacerWii Linux currently does not support the Wii's built-in WiFi, even though the drivers for this device are built into the Linux kernel.16:59
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Stskeepsusb wifi :P17:07
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danielwilmsbienvenido ;)17:13
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keesjSetting up osso-fm-transmitter-l10n-ruru (6.0+r6710+0m5) that something new for me.17:34
Stskeepsyeah, there'll be a fm transmitter api17:34
keesjwith RDS ?17:34
Stskeepsnot sure, maybe17:35
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keesjFM trasmitters seam so old-fashion17:36
Stskeepsvery useful in cars17:36
keesjin a few years there will be no FM in cars any more17:36
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Stskeepsor for hacking society :P17:36
keesj"Single white male seeking female, I have nice car and am a great hacker as you can see"17:37
danielwilmsthe docu is not ready yet for the fm tx api...coming soon17:37
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kkrustyWhen I bought an n800 about 2 years ago it had a sticker on the screen which I never took off. Is that the screen protecter?17:40
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GAN800keesj, chipset supports RDS on both sides so it'll be a driver issue.17:53
GAN800kkrusty, the sticker is attached to thee factory shipping protector.17:53
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kkrustyGAN800: right. thanks17:58
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zakkmanything interesting been happening in the tablet "scene" in the past two weeks? i been away.19:38
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lcukzakkm, i have given another update :)19:46
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lcukhiya konttori \o19:47
zakkmliqbase update?19:47
lcukzakkm theres a video of progress19:48
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zakkmdo link please19:48
lcukthe source is out there but not as a published package or anything yet19:48
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zakkmoh wow19:49
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lcukwatch it all first19:49
lcukand comment on the youtube thing :P19:49
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zakkmyou see the new moblin 2.0?19:50
xnt14lcuk: nice19:50
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zakkmlcuk: you see the new moblin 2.0 UI?19:51
xnt14zakkm: yeah, but my eee701 doesn't have a atom proc so I can run it :(19:51
zakkmthat should be nokia's UI :P19:51
zakkmwell mer19:51
zakkmit actually needs an atom chip?19:52
Robot101zakkm: it uses SSE319:52
lcukfor what?19:52
Robot101it could be rebuilt, but the binaries they provide use it19:52
GAN800zakkm, yeah, because it's so great for finger usage and not-Clutter. . . .19:53
zakkmthe celeron 900 doesnt have sse3?19:53
zakkmit must..?19:53
xnt14lcuk: I just saw the liqbase page and I have to say Awesome!19:53
zakkmthe 701 is suppose to have hackintosh support, and mac requires sse2 and 319:53
lcukxnt14, say that on the youtube page lol :D19:53
xnt14zakkm: nope :(, but my uncle has a hp mini19:54
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lcukbut ty, i agree19:54
xnt14lcuk: ok, but...19:54
* xnt14 hasn't signed on to his youtube acc in months19:54
* xnt14 is signing on...19:54
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zakkm*just learned you can use your google account on youtube*19:54
lcukoooh real commitment lol19:54
lcukkonttori, have you seen yet19:55
lcukit does what i spoke about at the summit19:55
zakkmlcuk: does that have a text viewer?19:55
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lcukzakkm, :) practically the first thing i say in the first ever video is that i want a book reader19:56
lcukyes, fully kinetic floating document reader exists and is being worked on.  ive still not made it do what the other older reader did19:57
lcukbut its coming along nicely19:57
lcukand im stepping gently there because i want to include good support to add new formats easily19:57
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xnt14lcuk: done19:57
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* xnt14 is trying out the xmonad wm19:58
zakkmi gone back to reading textbooks hah19:58
zakkmlike proper paperback19:58
xnt14nice, but i can haz c :xD19:58
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xnt14zakkm: I like to read books on my ipod (well mainly my nit but i don't have it right now) than read paper books :P19:59
lcukzakkm, im reading latest niven book in hardback :)19:59
lcuki hope you rated the vid as well :P19:59
zakkmi live in toronto, Canada so its not like i pay for it, public library is awesome but i dont know19:59
zakkmThanks for rating!20:00
lcukxnt14, monad was something i looked at when i was thinking about a compositing wm20:00
xnt14lcuk: done20:00
lcukit would work nicely20:00
xnt14lcuk: :)20:00
zakkmlcuk: you should make a whole WM/DE out of liqbase :P20:00
lcukxnt on a small device like this being able to focus properly and shift around is important20:00
lcukthe benefit of it being in the framework over just a WM is that its multilayered20:01
zakkmyou guys actually use the stylus?20:01
lcukapps can be designed with deep rich levels to explore20:01
* xnt14 is now really pissed off, because he just wasted 2 hours installing debian and now the freaking harddrive crashed and everything segfaults20:01
lcukive already got about 20 baseline screens which i didnt go over in the vid20:01
xnt14zakkm: me not much20:01
lcukfor all different things20:01
lcukzakkm, i do20:01
xnt14lcuk: :)20:01
lcukwhen im not typing20:01
zakkmwatching the video, i notice the stylus , im thinknig wow i didnt think people use it20:02
zakkmah i want a n810 so much20:02
lcukzakkm, i stopped fingerpainting when i was young ;)20:02
xnt14ok... now it won't even boot,,20:02
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zakkmlent my n800 to a friend for like 2 weeks, going to get it back today for a day so i can try some new stuff :P20:02
lcukand my screen is duffed up so much i cant use it lol20:02
* lcuk saves the good n810 for when he really needs it20:03
xnt14and now it just sits there and it says press f1 to retry boot, press f2 to setup20:03
xnt14lcuk :)20:03
* xnt14 wants his n810 back20:03
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lcukwhat happened to it20:03
xnt14I was in gym class, and it fell out of my pocket and the teacher confiscated it and they can keep it until the end if the year20:04
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lcukhow long is end of your year then20:05
xnt14one more month20:05
lcukcant you offer a bribe lol20:06
xnt14lcuk: btw the map thing, how about adding a gmaps dl button?20:06
lcukxnt14 lol20:06
zakkmxnt14: still, didnt that happen like ages ago?20:06
lcukthere is something called floatmap2 in the library at the moment20:06
xnt14zakkm: yeah :(20:06
lcukwhich was me just playing with google maps20:06
lcuki wouldv left it in properly20:06
lcukbut i got banned from google so i stopped lol20:06
zakkmgot banned from google? wow20:06
zakkmi never heard of that20:06
lcukso it exists but its safer for me to just leave it with a single large static map20:07
lcukzakkm, tilemap downloading20:07
zakkmlcuk: is the map just a picture file?20:07
xnt14I have to dl all the maptiles of my area and put them on my sd?20:07
lcuki set it to download each tile as required20:07
lcukand i panned across the world20:07
lcukand it loads each visible tile20:07
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lcukso i had about 100 concurrent connections to google servers20:07
lcukand they stopped giving me maps for a while :$20:08
xnt14:$ indeed20:08
xnt14multitouch? YAY :P xD20:08
lcuk*sorry sergey&larry)20:08
zakkmi want real multitouch :D20:09
GAN800zakkm, no you don't20:09
GAN800No more liqbase with capacitive.20:09
lcukxnt14, i havent done anything yet about fake multitouch but i know its available, theres a few things i want in place before i decide on how to use it20:09
lcukcourse there is20:09
lcukjust no drawing20:09
lcukor note taking20:10
lcukor designing20:10
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xnt14GAN800: well nit +multitouch + iphone stylus (you now the one for the iphone which some company came out with) = working liqbase20:10
xnt14lcuk: wait is liqbase a maemo app, or a os?20:11
lcukewww have you tried to write notes with a crayon20:11
xnt14oh yeah :P20:11
xnt14I once took notes with a marker cap on my nit20:12
lcukxnt14, liqbase is just my the basis I need to work in the way I like to work20:12
xnt14lcuk: so its a app?20:12
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xnt14how do you launch it?20:12
lcukits a library20:12
lcuki run a binary20:12
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lcukthe first iteration of liqbase was a single monolithic app20:13
GAN800xnt14, no.20:13
lcuknow it is a library with many plugins for the different visual aspects20:13
xnt14so the base is a library, and you wrote an app which uses the library to make the nice ui?20:13
xnt14GAN800: ok :P20:13
GAN800xnt14, capacitive simply isn't precise enough. Stylus or no.20:13
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xnt14lcuk: :) ok20:14
zakkmim so glad i quit programming / computer engineering in school :)20:14
lcukand any individual plugin can be run as a standalone app or can exist within the main playground20:14
lcukso if people are solely interested in the book reader they should be able to install and run just that20:14
xnt14so I can run maemo mapper, or xterm and it would show up in the ui?20:14
xnt14oh ok :P20:14
lcukits not a compositing x11 window manager20:14
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zakkmlcuk: for now... :P20:15
xnt14liqbase + n900 = ?20:15
zakkmThe Revolution20:15
xnt14omap3 + liqbase = compiz for the nit ? :P20:16
xnt14lcuk: this is available?20:17
zakkmlol compiz, on such a small screen20:17
zakkmsuch a waste20:17
xnt14you mean I can run it if I had my n810?20:17
lcuki doubt it personally, im sure theres better window managers - liqbase is yuv based, it would be hard to get the live rgb stuff into it, but it would be good for others to try20:17
xnt14zakkm: yeah:20:17
lcukxnt14, the video is me demonstrating it on my 81020:17
xnt14lcuk:yeah I know, but you mean I can dl it and run it?20:18
lcuknot easily yet20:18
lcukthere is no package20:18
xnt14ok but I can compile it?20:18
lcukits very building site ish and has lots of bugs20:18
xnt14i dont care20:18
lcuki want it to be essentially ready before release20:18
zakkmlcuk: cant you just fakeroot build-deb?20:18
lcukthen google knows where to find libliqbase :)20:19
zakkmdoes it have compile errors/blocks?20:19
xnt14is there a binary I can download?20:19
lcukzakkm, i have no debianisms installed20:19
xnt14just the bin?20:19
lcukits grown entirely directly on tablet20:19
lcukit needs heavy work first20:19
lcukthere IS a playtest bin20:19
lcukjust a me20:19
xnt14wait is it all in one folder?20:19
lcukits not got everything but its enough to see20:19
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xnt14or is it spread all over the fs?20:20
lcukall in one folder on my memorystick20:20
lcukwith a git server obviously lol20:20
xnt14how big is it?20:20
lcukbut i need to get the debianisms right first20:20
lcukthe binary is about 5mb20:20
lcukthe git is about 60 i think20:20
lcukfollow the instructions from the posting and you can get it on your machine20:21
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xnt14ok :)20:21
* xnt14 needs to get his nit back from his parents20:22
zakkmlcuk: run in performance cpu mode - this version doesn't try to upgrade itself yet.20:22
lcukyeah i know..20:22
zakkmyour going to make it self-update?20:22
lcukuser choosable same as it was in original liqbase20:22
lcukbut with a tick to say "run in blah automatically"20:23
zakkmupdate to performance mode or update to newest version of liqbase?20:23
lcukupgrade the cpu setting20:24
lcuktea ready bbl20:25
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xnt14YAY, got my nit back20:50
* xnt14 downloads liqbase beta20:50
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xnt14now to install liqbase20:54
lcuks/install liqbase/install the very shaky pretest dodgy version of liqbase/20:54
xnt14lcuk: nice, microb friendly page20:54
lcukyou can install the older monolithic app if you like, i still use it to this day, but the new framework is what i have been discussing20:56
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xnt14lcuk: the one on maemotalk or the one on
xnt14which one?20:57
lcukthis post >> << explains the very shakey playtest binary installation instructions20:57
xnt14oh ok then20:58
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lcukthere is a full complete original liqbase which is tested and stable but does not do the zooming or other really flashy things :) that is in the app installer20:58
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xnt14ok :)20:59
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RST38hmoo all21:02
lcukhey RST38h \o21:02
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RST38hhow are things? =)21:03
* xnt14 wgets it21:04
xnt14hello RST38h21:05
xnt14lcuk: double gziped? :P21:06
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xnt14OMFG!!!! Awesome!!!!21:13
xnt14still a little glitchy but still awesome!!!21:13
lcukwhich places have glitches21:13
lcuki have seen and corrected most i had from the playtest21:14
lcuktheres an awful lot the playtest wont do actually21:14
lcukbut its enough to see21:14
xnt14lcuk: when I hit the thing above the time, and then I scroll the list, it glitches21:16
lcukxnt14, when you get back, close and reopen vworld21:18
lcukits a known bug seemingly hardware related on certain machines21:18
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xnt14im back21:29
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xnt14im back21:56
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zeenixcalvaris: i wonder why you look so familiar? :P22:43
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timeless_mbphey, my parents sent me an Ad for a Nokia device they saw in the Washingon Post23:13
infobottimeless_mbp meant: hey, my parents sent me an Ad for a Nokia device they saw in the Washington Post23:13
timeless_mbpbut i think it's really an at&t ad23:13
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timeless_mbpi just have a pdf of the thing23:25
timeless_mbpit's not really so interesting23:26
timeless_mbpi'm mostly amazed to hear of any advertising for Nokia products in the US23:26
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* keesj is a little confused about libts and tslib on
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keesjbooth are 1.0.4 but are those meta packages containing the same thing?23:36
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lcukkeesj, one is for writing on the front of the tablet, and one is for writing on the back?23:36
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Stskeepskeesj: one is source package the other is binary23:37
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keesjbut it looks like for example tslib-dev was renamed to libts-dev23:40
Stskeepsyeah, to match with debian naming probably23:40
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b-man16Stskeeps: lol23:46
Stskeepsnot me23:46
Stskeepsit's some crazy malay23:46
b-man16 XD23:47
Stskeepsbored at school are you23:49
Stskeepswait, it's sunday. sunday school?23:49
b-man16nope, 3 day holiday weekend23:49
xnt14not me23:49
xnt14b-man: same here23:49
xnt14no school monday23:49
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xnt14wait isn't qwerty12's name faheem?23:50
xnt14on the da, look under his name23:50
xnt14john xD23:51
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Stskeepssilly youngins. get coding instead of wasting your time with your current hormonal inbalances23:51
* xnt14 is theming liqbase xD, not coding23:52
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