IRC log of #maemo for Saturday, 2009-05-23

ShadowJKMy guess is no regular gsm/3g voice :-)00:00
Macerkung fu the legend continues came out 17 years ago00:00
Maceri feel old :(00:00
parigaudiwhy not regular gsm/3g voice?00:01
crashanddieparigaudi, because it would be absolute shite?00:01
parigaudihow that?00:01
crashanddiespeak englese?00:01
Macerhm. just out of curiousity the new tablet will have an hspda modem correct?00:02
ShadowJKparigaudi, I am guessing they don't want maemo to "take over" from symbian yet.00:02
ShadowJKMacer, yes it's believed so00:02
crashanddieShadowJK, I don't want a bloody phone in there00:02
ShadowJKsince nokia has code for it00:02
Macerhm.. so it can make direct phone calls?00:02
ShadowJKMacer, not necessarily?00:02
crashanddieMacer, nope00:02
parigaudii mean, nobody forces you to use that feature if it has it, and having hdspa without being able to phone kinda forces you to have two devices with you where you could have all in one00:02
Macerwell. that sucks :)00:02
ShadowJKI mean, go buy a huawei modem and see if you can figure out how to make it do a regular call00:03
crashanddieparigaudi, ok, lemme get this straight00:03
* mgedmin had crashanddie's reaction to bloody hardware keyboards, and changed his minds 15 minutes after getting a n81000:03
Macerso you pop a sim into it just to have something that can't be used for voice?00:03
mgedminum, his mind00:03
Maceri mean there's always skype but still00:03
mgedminI only got one00:03
ShadowJKMacer, yeah like on laptops with 3G00:03
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ShadowJKthat just give you internets00:03
crashanddiemgedmin, actually, I still think the keyboard on the n810 is shit00:03
MacerShadowJK: hm. usually that would require a seperate acct/payment00:03
mgedmincrashanddie: do you have one?00:03
parigaudithe fact of having to carry around two devices (which are close to the same hardware-wise) is kinda pointless00:03
crashanddiemgedmin, yup00:03
Macerah well :)00:03
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ShadowJKdunno, I can get 4 parallell sim cards to my primary account :)00:04
mgedmindo you think the n810 would be a better device without it?00:04
MacerShadowJK: i never tried that00:04
crashanddiemgedmin, probably00:04
Macerwonder if tmob does it00:04
mgedminall I can say is: I admire your principles00:04
Macerthen again though. if android gets a little better there won't be a need for the newer tablet00:04
Macerlike if it had cups00:04
crashanddiemgedmin, less bulkier, no slider, so we could probably have had a bigger battery or GPS antenna00:04
Maceri want cups on my damn phone :)00:05
ShadowJKI don't find android attractive at all to me.. atleast not with the current tivoized devices and java-only :)00:05
lcuki have refound the power of the n810 keyboard :)00:05
ShadowJKI love maemo because most of the regular desktop software I use works on it00:05
crashanddiemgedmin, and also: I was probably in a fanboi mode 15 minutes after getting the n810, truth be told, I booted my n810 for the first time in months yesterday00:06
MacerShadowJK: heh well... it has some linux stuff on it also ;)00:06
parigaudiShadowJK: exactly that pseudo-open java-only not-so-really-linux is kinda the total shit about android00:06
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crashanddieparigaudi, pseudo-java as well00:06
mgedmincrashanddie: if I weren't reading e-books on mine, it'd probably also be lying in a drawer for months00:06
Macerparigaudi: haha00:06
ShadowJKparigaudi, agreed00:06
parigaudicrashanddie: indeed00:07
MacerShadowJK: but it can be used on a phone ;)00:07
Maceronce it gets androffice and cups it will be awesome00:07
crashanddieparigaudi, though, iPhone isn't any better, with all the obj-C going round00:07
Macermaybe a few more apps00:07
parigaudiMacer: that's the one big plus: you don't have to carry around _two_ devices00:07
Macerparigaudi: yeah00:07
ShadowJKI wonder how long until someone makes Mer able to do calls on the Freerunner :)00:07
Macerparigaudi: well. you need a bluetooth keyboard00:07
crashanddiethough, people, we have to agree on something: people insisting on developing a whole app in Python on a 400 Mhz CPU? Seriously, they're just being masochists00:07
parigaudicrashanddie: and apple holding developers in an iron grip00:07
Macerbut i would rather carry a bt keyboard and G1 than a phone bt keyboard and tablet00:08
parigaudiMacer: why the bluetooth keyboard?00:08
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Macerparigaudi: for the office app ;)00:08
Maceri was using my n800 for school00:08
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Macerso i didn't have to carry a laptop. everything would fit in my pockets00:08
* ShadowJK rarely carries his N800 and N810 anywhere00:08
crashanddieI don't know what kind of work you guys are doing, but I could never use my n810 for work...00:08
Macerwould even make pdfs of my books so i wouldn't have to carry those either00:08
ShadowJKbut I use them heavily, mostly at home00:08
Macerespecially after it got cups00:09
Macercups was awesome on the n800. i could just show up at home and print over wifi00:09
crashanddieyou've got a cups server at home?00:09
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Macerer...i have a wifi laser printer .. cups supports it00:09
parigaudime neither, i want a device that goes into a pocket, not an office system (when i want to do office stuff, i have a computer, when i'm mobile i wan't something really mobile)00:09
crashanddieoh man, and I thought I was a geek00:09
Macerthe n800 had cups on it for the printing00:09
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Macerparigaudi: well.. the n800 was good for that for the most part00:10
ShadowJKwhen I'm mobile I make do with putty on my E70 :/00:10
parigaudiyeah well, i can live without cups on a mobile device00:11
Myrttin800 <300:11
lcukn800 would be perfect if it had a keyboard :P00:11
lcukwhy would you want to put your cups on device ? wont you spill stuff on it?00:11
crashanddietimeless, I'll give you a free ticket to London if you get SA or 2FA to work on maemo ;)00:12
Macerlcuk: :-P00:12
Myrttilcuk: ;-)00:12
* Myrtti hearts her n80000:12
Macern800 was good but well.. the lack of qwerty00:13
lcukhave you give nyour 770 any love recently/00:13
Macerit drove me nuts pecking at it00:13
crashanddietimeless, SC support is a requirement though, I'll recompile AC to work as middleware on it :P00:13
* lcuk has no bandage on :O00:13
crashanddieAAAAHHHH ZOMBIE00:13
lcukit is00:13
Myrttilcuk: it's on the windowsill back in Warboys, waiting for an inspiration to come and tell me what to do with it00:14
lcukthe skin all peeled off before - i couldv literally given the police my fingerprint00:14
crashanddiefor some reason I'm pretty sure nobody understood what I said to timeless00:14
crashanddietimeless, awesome dude, we can talk in coded messages!00:14
lcukMyrtti, if it runs os2008 stabily for you try bluemaemo00:14
lcukmake it a remote control/keyboard for 80000:14
Myrttilcuk: doesnt00:14
parigaudiunrelated question: what's the status of Qt for Maemo? i believe Nokia/Qt announced they would port it but still haven't?00:14
crashanddieparigaudi, I can tell you this much:00:14
StsN800it's ported00:15
lcukits available00:15
Myrttiwill prolly put Mer on it and let bf do funky stuff with it and the home automation system00:15
lcukbut unofficially00:15
Macerparigaudi: i've used qt3 on it. with kde 3.500:15
Macernever tried kde400:15
StsN800qt4.5 too00:15
lcukinstall the 770 in him and control him from 80000:15
parigaudiyeah well i don't care about kde, just qt, but i  need qt 4.5, not qt300:15
lcukyou would be in heaven lol00:15
lcuk"do the dishes"00:15
Maceri hate doing laundry00:16
Myrttilcuk: but I can tell him over gtalk with my n800 to do the dishes downstairs already - he has n800 himself00:16
Macernext time i think i will just take it somewhere00:16
parigaudiStskeeps:  do i understand correctly that it was ported, but not by Qt Software, but other guys (presumably those who wanted kde on the n810)?00:16
MyrttiI don't mind laundry, I hate the dishes00:16
MacerMyrtti: laundry is a pain. at least you can knock out dishes in one movement00:16
parigaudiStsN800:  do i understand correctly that it was ported, but not by Qt Software, but other guys (presumably those who wanted kde on the n810)?00:16
Macerlaundry takes multiple trips and waiting00:17
crashanddie"Why did she kick you?" "I wanted a fellatio but the wifi died before it transmitted "job""00:17
lcukparigaudi, no, those wanting qt on tablet00:17
lcukgo visit the project and see00:17
parigaudisorry, tab completion on quassel sux00:17
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parigaudicool thx guys00:17
Myrtticrashanddie: mrhmgh00:17
Myrtticrashanddie: you fail in funneh00:17
crashanddieMyrtti, and you fail in life, kiddo, now go back to your cave and learn yourself some English00:18
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lcukcomically challenged ;)00:18
lbtparigaudi: some people use the Mer port of Qt on Maemo. Also there's no current plan to stop the Diablo branch AFAIK00:18
Macerkung fu the legend continues is so pseudo 80s :)00:18
roopeQt is cute.00:18
Maceryou know the early 90s where they were making that transition away from the 80s00:18
lcukoi crashanddie you are an overtired cranky git00:18
crashanddielcuk, better than a touch-based UI designer who gets his fingers chopped off :P00:18
Macerlike the highlander show with the purple versaci suits00:19
crashanddielcuk, yeah, probably true there00:19
Myrtticrashanddie: you fail in sarcasm. Also, extra brownie points for telling a non-native to go learn English.00:19
Myrttisarcasm-dar broken ahoy00:19
crashanddieMyrtti, I ain't native, dumb fuck00:19
crashanddieand that's not the first time I told you that00:19
crashanddiewhy is it people think the fact they weren't raised with a language is an excuse to make mistakes?00:20
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Myrtticrashanddie: then it might not be the first time that I've told you I'm not *EITHER*00:20
crashanddieanyway, have a nice evening everyone, I'm out00:20
parigaudibetter yet: i ain't NO native (to be pronounced with a heavy southern Georgia dialect)00:20
* Myrtti goes to fiddle with thesixtyone.com00:20
roopePeople fail at being not easily annoyed.00:21
crashanddieI'm always afraid when I hear fiddling followed by a website... I've been traumatised by lemonparty.org00:21
* lbt wanders off to a nicer channel...00:21
* lcuk agrees00:21
lcukseb fuck off till you are more sociable00:21
crashanddieaye, take care00:21
coldboothaha lemonparty00:22
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coldbootDoes anyone know how to get scratchbox 2 running the x86 native arm compiler?00:22
coldbootI think my sb2 is running the arm arm compiler, which runs really slow.00:23
lcukroope,  ive got an update :)00:23
coldbootI have the x86 toolchain set...00:23
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roopelcuk: it looks very smooth.00:25
lcukyeah it feels it too00:25
lcukpieces of it will fall over at any second, but im gettin into my mojo with it00:26
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lcukroope, did you see the searching?00:28
roopeyes, looks sweet.00:28
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amrsup yo00:28
Myrttiwohoo, leveled up to level 5 \o/00:29
lbtX-Fade: when you see this... :)   How do I get empowered to manage Mer bugs?00:31
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Macerdamn i'm on load #900:36
* Macer goes to find something productive to do00:37
Maceri just found a flaw in the zimbra ypl licensing :) if you use their login you are forced to use their giant ZIMBRA logo00:38
Macerbut if you use a different portal.. you are golden00:38
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tank-manbad things can happen if is use "chsh" to change my login shell?01:56
tank-manforget it, I like to be safe01:58
tank-manmy /etc/shells file contains lines to shells that don't exist ... sounds bad02:00
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GeneralAntillesCan somebody have lbt ping me or Andre whenever he's back on?02:33
lcukit will be morning now i assume02:35
lcukhave you seen the video yet gan? :$02:36
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GeneralAntilleslcuk, too lazy to click the link.02:42
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lcukyou are in it :P02:43
lcukin your pimpin costume :D02:43
GeneralAntilleslcuk, just so you know, I'm bringing a set of bolt cutters to the Summit. :)02:44
GeneralAntillesGonna finish the job Nokia started.02:44
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xnt14oops, forgot about xchat xD03:33
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lcukgnite z4chh04:03
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disco_stuz4chh = zakkm ?04:04
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LiraNunaany chance the rx-51 is the N97?05:29
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anthonyhi, I have an N810 that came with mmc0 unpartitioned/unformatted.  Where can I get something like fdisk to take care of that?06:00
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Maceropium flowers are nice looking06:06
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thuxcan i use cellphone gps with n800 over bluetooth?08:32
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StsN801matan, in initramfs10:26
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lcukmornin maemo11:27
RST38hmoo lcuk11:28
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lcukhey rst \o11:29
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Infektawhats that mean?11:37
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lcukInfekta, whats what mean11:42
tank-manits a head with a hand in the air11:44
Infektasaid i recieved a ''CTCP VERSION''11:44
tank-manmeans someone wants to know what irc client you are using11:45
lcuku were hacked!11:45
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tank-manin star trek talk, you were scanned11:45
RST38hInfekta: It means you are being hacked!11:46
tank-manshields up!11:46
RST38hInfekta: Look around: are there any suspicious shadows behind you?11:46
lcukquick, raise the shields, dim the lights, modulate the yoghurt machine and bring me a coffee11:46
RST38hlcuk: prepare two-three red shirt for sacrifice after the break11:46
RST38hs/shirt/shirts I guess11:47
lcukill be in my ready room, errr getting ready11:47
Infektait was sent from freenode so i imagine it was more wondering what IRC client im using11:47
RST38hThe server is hacking you11:47
lcukthe freenode race have been involved in a long galactic battle with undernet for a while now11:47
RST38hHaven't you read in newspapers that IRC is where pirates and terrorists are?11:47
lcukRST38h, did you see my vid last night11:48
RST38hno, where is it?11:48
lcukhow often do wifi nets disable themselves and go to sleep11:50
RST38ha router is not supposed to disable itself11:50
RST38hyour tablet will turn wifi off after a while of inactivity11:50
RST38ha few pings usually make it come back though11:51
lcukif its turned off how can it hear a ping11:51
RST38hOh my god! It is an OPERATING SYSTEM in that video!11:51
RST38hlcuk: My guess is that it raises it from the dead every now and then11:52
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RST38honce every few minutes11:52
RST38hSurely Stskeeps or some other guys should be able to tell more precisely11:52
lcukRST38h :O its not11:52
lcukits just my playground :$11:52
RST38hlooks like a media player based on this stuff would eclipse Canola11:53
* RST38h had to abandon ideas of using Canola yesterday - makes video unwatchable11:53
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lcuknahh barring the "omg the music is with the songs" i havent considered a media player lol11:54
Infektanow u guys are CTCP spamming me11:54
Infektawell i am here for that reason @RST38h11:54
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Infektais someone pinging me lol?12:04
johnxRST38h, wakes up every second or two I believe, the router has to support holding messages in a buffer to deal with devices that use PSM12:05
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lcukahhh thx johnx12:06
lcukhiya btw12:06
johnxhey lcuk12:07
lcukare you ready for flying12:07
johnxyup, yup12:07
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johnxgot it all ironed out with my work too :)12:07
lcukare you gettin same flight as rm12:07
johnxhey rm_you12:07
RST38hjohnx: found a job?12:07
lcukheh speak of the devil12:07
rm_youlol @ "going to bed"12:07
RST38hehlo rm_me12:07
johnxRST38h, yup, back at the same place I was before my little adventure12:07
rm_youlcuk, yes12:07
johnxlcuk, yeah, rm_you and I are back in the same area for a while12:08
lcukrm_you, i know you are gettin the same flight as rm_you12:08
Infektaso these incremental pings im getting are from freenode itself?12:08
johnxI see you're getting there around the time we are12:08
rm_youjohnx: so obs is downloading like... all of Mer tonight, for funsies12:08
lcukyeah i am12:08
johnxrm_you, good deal12:08
lcukrm_you, :D something magical happened12:08
rm_youlcuk: lol?12:08
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lcukjohnx, rm_you its a good job you too are mates, otherwise you will be throwing things at each other around the plane12:09
lcukrm_you, (and johnx as well)
johnxInfekta, I don't think it's normal to see more than one or two every so often. how many are you getting12:09
Infektatwo every few minutes or so12:09
lcukjohnx, streisand effect, he pointed it out, everyone started it12:09
rm_youwoo, theres a flash10 deb? :P sweet12:10
johnxhey, cool. you have a neat tag browser :D12:10
johnxrm_you, yeah, for i38612:10
johnxshould be in official ubuntu repos12:10
johnxdamn, lcuk that looks slick as hell12:11
rm_youworking on flash... lol12:11
RST38hjohnx: Heh =)12:11
rm_youthere we go12:11
lcukjohnx, yeah it does :) it feels great as well12:11
johnxRST38h, yup. small company, great people. nice to see the same faces as two years ago12:12
Infektawhere did you find the flash 10 for deb?12:12
lcukbrb (bacon)12:12
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Infektammmm bacon!12:13
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amrmm tablet12:13
johnxInfekta, if you're on ubuntu, you already have it :P12:13
Infektathis channel is really active tonight12:13
johnxif you're on debian, steal it from ubuntu :)12:13
lcukits not tonight anymore12:13
amrtonight? its 10am ! :)12:13
infobotsomebody said ugt was Universal Greeting Time. Created in #mipslinux, it is a rule that states that whenever somebody enters an IRC channel it is always morning, and it is always late when the person leaves. The local time of any other people in the channel, including the greeter, is irrelevant.
johnxanyways, I'm off to bed for real now12:14
johnx'night all12:14
lcukcya later johnx \o12:14
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RST38h'It is not a moral standpoint but a fiscal one,' an official said. 'Prostitution is not an illegal act in Germany, but not paying tax on earned money is.12:16
RST38hOh, she has to pay 19% VAT too =)12:16
rm_youRST38h: lolwut?12:18
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lcukrst, i had a dream about that damned scp article about the surgical statis machine   \@12:19
rm_youbrb need to reboot12:19
rm_youoh damn, can't12:19
RST38hlcuk: The one that carefully disassembles victims into parts and delivers each body part in a plastic cube? =)12:20
lcukrm_you, you are right, no rebooting, have you seen the video12:20
rm_youwell that is why i need to reboot, for sound12:20
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RST38hlcuk: that not even the scariest medical device they have got there =)12:20
* lcuk points a rather flaky yucky finger @ u12:20
lcukno i bet its not, but the idea behind that is mindblowing12:21
RST38hrm_you: vanother virignity-on-ebay stunt gone horribly wrong, I hope this girl isn't studying accounting =)12:21
lcukshe only got 8000?? wasnt there one that did it for 3million or something12:21
RST38hlcuk: .RO, heavily discounted12:21
* lcuk would sell his virginity for 3 million12:22
RST38hlcuk: you have any left/12:22
lcuki have warcraft account details to prove it lol12:22
lcukim joking of course lol12:22
RST38hlcuk: Weird part is I started watching Fringe yesterday, on a suggestion from a friend, and the plots are not nearly as good as SCP12:22
lcukscp is intruiging12:23
lcuka very good idea12:23
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rm_youwhat is SCP?12:26
rm_youbesides a way to transfer files securely :P12:26
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lcukrm_you, RST38h will have to link you12:27
Macerok. 2nd life sucks12:28
* Macer rm -rf12:28
* rm_you rm -rf's YOU12:30
crashanddieIn Soviet Russia, You rm FR12:31
RST38hrm_you: scp-wiki.wikidot.org12:31
crashanddiedamn, that's a pretty bad website name12:31
crashanddietry explaining that on the phone to someone who's not an expert with computers12:31
RST38hrm_you: full of stuff like this
rm_youits .com but i found it12:32
Macerlol. "In the Mossad we have a saying, knives don't run out of bullets."12:32
crashanddieMacer, lol12:32
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rm_youRST38h: that is so very very random O_o12:36
amranyone here use gmail with the built in mail client?12:38
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yergaamr, yes, with imap12:40
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amrim using pop and i cant seem to connect to smtp.googlemail.com12:41
amrretrieving is fine, sending wont connect12:41
amralthough again, this could be my uni internet messing things up12:41
rm_youok now rebooting12:41
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Infektahey lcuk i saw your liqbase vid on utube.. but i still dont quite get what it does12:47
lcukwhich one12:47
Infektathe ''lcuk liqbase overview'' video12:47
Infektai suppose having volume would help rofl12:48
lcuktheres 5
lcukthats the latest one12:48
Infektaah ok12:48
Infektaok wow that is pretty awesome12:48
lcukwatch the whole thing :)12:49
Infektawill do12:52
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rm_youlol ok there got sound12:55
rm_younow to watch the video again12:55
rm_youwhile scratchbox/maemo-sdk installs12:55
lcukwho is GearzVoNKod312:56
rm_youyay sound12:57
rm_youdo you get many donations? >_>12:57
lcukno subtitles tho12:57
lcuktake your curiosity elsewhere12:57
rm_youlol, i keep forgetting just how British you are :P12:57
* rm_you wishes he had or even could fake a British accent12:58
* RST38h adheres to Odo theory on the subject of accents13:00
lcukwhich is?  all i can remember about odo is he has a bukkit13:00
rm_youOdo -> shapeshifter?13:02
lcuklives in a bukkit13:02
rm_youcuz he has shapeshifter AIDS <_<13:03
Infektaim gearzvon kod313:03
lcukahh Infekta lol i havent had any comments on that vid for a while :P13:04
Infektarofl @ the bukkit comment13:04
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lcukInfekta, you infected with something13:27
lcukyou laugh randomly13:27
Infektai laugh at what im doing13:28
Infektai just hijacked my home network with ettercap and am pissing my fam off, then playing stupid about it13:28
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rm_youbrb again13:34
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aquatixInfekta: hijacking their pr0n?13:34
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amrdoes the 'maps' application built in to the n810 actually find your location?13:52
amri don't think i've actually had the gps working yet13:52
aquatixgps might take a while13:52
amrhow long is a while? 10 mins?13:52
aquatixyep, certainly the first time13:53
aquatixwith agps it is a bit faster13:54
glassindoors forever probably13:54
amrwell im on top of the highest hill in the city if that helps13:54
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amrwith it sat on the windowsil13:54
amrmy 6210 navigator gets signal pretty sharpish13:54
lcukantenna envy13:54
lcukthe 810 looks over at the guys with bigger wangs13:55
lcukamr, i dont have problems with gps normally in the car - but something i always do before taking it out is a cold reboot13:57
lcukbecause ive had it sit there with full view of the sky for hours and not get a lock13:57
lcukthen after a reboot and put back in same place it got a lock near instantly13:58
* lcuk has a cargo cult attitude lol13:58
crashanddieis there some kind of tracking app?13:59
crashanddiehmm, maybe mapper can do that13:59
lcukdepending on what you search for the uk gov will do the tracking for oyu13:59
amri saw a post on the talk.maemo about that13:59
crashanddielcuk, not a lot of cameras in the woods I go to :P14:00
crashanddieI probably should not have said that on a logged channel.14:00
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lcukif you go down to the woods today you are in for a big surprise..14:00
amrah stuff it14:00
amrill fiddle with the gps later14:00
crashanddieI'm on ma bike, FASTER THAN THE SUN14:00
amrive got email sortedish, pidgin sorted, mcalendar sync'd with google14:01
amrnow time to sort my contacts14:01
amrany way to import over bluetooth?14:01
amrfrom my phone14:02
lcuki dunno, never tried14:02
* aquatix would like to sync contacts too14:05
aquatixnow it's only synched with my IM stuff14:05
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amrhmm, that might do14:05
amrive got the nokia pc  suite installed14:06
amri suppose i could pull the contacts off from my phone14:06
amrand then upload them to the tablet14:06
aquatixthere's an import option in Contacts14:07
aquatixnot sure what kind of file it takes14:07
lcukdirect neural connection14:07
aquatixsounds nifty14:07
aquatixRST38h: nah, that's too advanced14:08
RST38hscans paper with a camera, translates all contacts into kanji and stores them?14:08
aquatix(hm, OCR on the NIT would be cool)14:08
lcukscan of a photo taken of a printout placed onto a wooden table14:08
aquatixRST38h: enough phones can do that14:08
aquatixapart from the kanji part14:08
aquatixlcuk: lol14:08
amrwhat's that note taking program that uses images?14:08
aquatixamr: iirc, yes14:09
amryeah it is14:09
aquatixbut liqbase rocks14:09
lcukand can only get better14:09
lcukyeah amr, look at the vid14:09
amrwhat accent does that guy have?14:09
amrit sounds familiar...14:10
amrwell i knew that :p14:10
lcukim from manchester14:10
amrim from leeds, yet lack an accent14:10
amrand now im even further north in durham14:10
lcukyou lack a decent football team as well :p14:10
amrhahaha don't i know it :p14:11
amrthankfully i support arsenal14:11
lcukwe all have our cross to bear14:11
t_s_obah, sports...14:13
lcuksport is fun14:13
amrhmm, i need to find more things to fiddle with14:14
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RST38hA 3-year-old New Zealand girl, bored in the early hours of the morning, hopped on her parents' computer and, via auto-logins, managed to buy a used mechanical excavation machine for around $15,000.14:14
crashanddieyelling at a TV and drinking beer doesn't qualify as sport :P14:15
amrsays who!?14:15
crashanddiewell, I guess the yelling makes it active14:15
lcukthe way tracy yells you would think the ref could hear her lol14:16
* lcuk knows the way the game is going from halfway down the road14:16
aquatixnow that's nice14:20
lcukahhh seb,
lcukbut i think golf is just as relaxing to watch14:25
lcukthe harpoons, man them14:30
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pupnik__next device more ram..  reliable gps.  builtin video/ip telephony15:13
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pupnik__not holding much hope for dpad15:19
RST38his there some news? url?15:20
pupnik__maybe no builtin flash but 2x micro-sd?15:20
RST38hnah, forget it15:20
pupnik__just exercising wishcreft15:20
pupnik__yeah users might remove sd and wonder why it 'broke'15:21
RST38hthere is no reason to spend money on 2nd socket when you bundle sd card anyway15:21
RST38hjust solder it in and save on bom15:22
pupnik__32GB Raid0 would be nice15:22
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RST38h32gb is possible no raid though15:22
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pupnik__ram sucks more power than i thought15:24
pupnik__not just a price question15:25
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GeneralAntilleslbt, ping?15:51
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GeneralAntilleslbt, too late. Off to work.15:57
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pupnik__can /tmp be symlinked to vfat mount?16:25
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pupnik__browser wants to use /tmp for downloads16:25
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luke-jrpupnik__: no16:28
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luke-jrpupnik__: even if you could, vfat would screw up /tmp16:29
pupnik__internal does fill fast16:30
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luke-jrpupnik__: stick an 8 GB SD in and install Gentoo :D16:36
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RST38hgo for Slackware instead, it is more eleet than Gentoo!16:50
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pupnik__mini sd not so common16:53
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luke-jrpupnik__: MicroSD + adapter16:54
luke-jrRST38h: is there even a Slackware port?16:54
GAN800pupnik, MiniSD is dead.16:54
luke-jrGAN800: Tell Nokia that16:55
GAN800luke-jr, they're not using it on any current devices.16:56
luke-jrGAN800: yes they are16:56
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luke-jrAFAIK, Nokia's only "current" NIT is N81016:56
luke-jrand N810 only supports MiniSD16:56
GAN800The N810 is not current.16:56
luke-jrno? what's newer?16:56
GAN800Besides, it was designed in 2007 when MiniSD was still alive.16:57
luke-jrI've never seen MiniSD elsewhere16:57
GAN800Nothing, but the N810 is discontinued16:57
* RST38h follows the usual routine to ask the Tentacled One to make Nokia switch to normal SD cards16:57
luke-jrGAN800: last I checked, they still produce it16:58
luke-jrand they have nothing newer16:58
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RST38hNo mini. No micro. Just normally sized SD. The IS enough space inside, no need to bullshit users.16:58
luke-jrthat means "current" in my book16:58
GAN800luke-jr, and don't give me your line of BS.16:58
GAN800It's EoL16:58
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GAN800pupnik__, and, yes, RAM is power hungry.17:00
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lbtGAN800: back now17:05
crashanddieRST38h, micro-SD is probably the way to go though17:06
Stskeepsie4 microsd slots ;p17:11
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RST38hcrashanddie: microsd is uncomfortable as hell to deal with17:14
RST38htoo small, too fiddly17:14
lbtdon't bite your fingernails then17:14
RST38halso more difficult/expensive to crum bigger amounts of flash into it17:15
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* lcuk810 replaces his fingernail with a microsd card17:21
RST38hlcuk: Won't you lose the rest of your finger by trying to use such attachment? =)17:22
crashanddieRST38h, give a whole new meaning to "user interface"17:22
infobotcrashanddie meant: RST38h, gives a whole new meaning to "user interface"17:23
ShadowJKMy Nokia E70 also uses MiniSD :-)17:23
crashanddiedoesn't mean it's any good though :P17:23
ShadowJKNot that it matters much... I actually use microsd in both N800 and N810 :-)17:23
crashanddiejust a wtf-moment on Nokia's behalf17:24
RST38hShadow: Yea, except that it can't do SDHCs so the adapter question does not really arise17:24
GAN800lbt, I gave you editbugs, but it can only be global.17:24
lbtGAN800: OK.. ta.17:24
GAN800So, be careful, etc.17:24
ShadowJKThe wtf-moment was really back when they did fullsize MMC slots /behind/ the battery, so that you had to replace the battery in order to swap the card17:24
* lcuk810 has always lik;ed the idea of a users' interface17:24
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RST38hShadow: Frankly, I do not care much17:25
RST38hShadow: My interaction with the SD card slots is limited to sticking the biggest-available-at-the-moment card there and forgetting about it17:25
ShadowJKindeed :)17:26
RST38hShadow: That does not apply to development crap, but development boards use full sized SDs and have 'em exposed specifically for necrophilia17:26
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unixSnobis 5.2008.43-7 pretty current?17:37
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thuxis m4a usually better quality than mp3?  and if so how to make m4a with linux that way that nokia phone plays it? Sound juicer's made m4a doesn't play in phone17:41
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lcukhello afb17:55
* RST38h fixed the tilt sensor!17:58
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RST38h(why did I hardwire it to FIREL/FIRER buttons anyway?)17:58
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amr-i saw a post on about full linux distros being installed. debian, ubuntu and now fedora18:33
amr-how usable are they?18:33
amr-things sure have changed in the year+ ive been gone18:33
GAN800Non are battery or mobile friendly.18:33
amr-i can imagine18:33
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unixSnobmy device can ping my host, but my host cannot ping my device.  Does maemo drop ping packets when it's in the factory configuration?18:36
amr-i recall my 770 doing the same thing18:36
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lcukunixSnob, i have never had to fiddle with anything to allow pings back18:37
lcukcheck your network18:37
unixSnobthe host and device are both connecting wirelessly to a private fonera network, so there's nothing to configure on the router18:38
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lcukare you using hostname or ip18:38
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lcukyou sure its right18:39
* lcuk has static ips so i know whats what18:39
unixSnobi ran ifconfig to get the ip number18:39
infobotfrom memory, wifi-psm is
unixSnobah.. that sounds familiar18:40
unixSnobI recall hearing about power saving mode over doing things18:40
* unixSnob is disabling power saving mode for the fonera uplink18:41
unixSnobin fact, this is all coming back to me now..  fonera routers specifically have a problem w/ maemo and power saving mode18:42
amr-lcuk, i just realised it was you behind liqbase18:42
amr-i apparently don't read websites18:42
amr-just look for the cute videos18:42
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RST38hit was all him!18:42
RST38hget him! don't let him run away!18:42
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amr-is jaiku popular amongst you guys?18:43
notlcukhe went that way >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>18:43
notlcuki was a member for a while18:43
notlcuki still am lol18:43
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amr-i requested an invite but haven't received one18:43
amr-figured id see what all the fuss was about18:43
lcukbut when they changed the service everyone fragmented again18:44
lcuknow im on twitter18:44
lcukoh hang on18:44
lcuki dunno if i can do invites18:44
amr-oh? whats your twitter name?18:44
amr-lcuk? :p18:44
amr-ohh, you enjoy your watches too18:46
amr-just saw your 'what time is it' link18:46
RST38hBTW, people, how do I disable mouse gestures in Ubuntu Gnome desktop?18:47
lcukamr, which?18:47
RST38hIt is constantly trying to move me to a different workspace18:47
amr-it appears to be just generally cool clocks tho, my bad :p18:47
amr-i enjoy my mechanical watches18:47
lcukyes that sort of catalog page is excellent fodder for the imagination18:48
lcukwhats your mail addy and ill invite you to jaiku18:48
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amr-thanks :)18:48
amr-and ive got it, thanks!18:49
unixSnobha.. booyah!  that was it... turned off power saving, and now I can ping the damn thing18:49
amr-im impressed the uni wireless reaches this far into college18:50
amr-and has lasted this long18:50
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Draciefor kicks could I run the maemo framework on an x86 machine?18:57
inzDracie, dunno what you mean by maemo framework, but many parts are included in ubuntu, for example18:58
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Dracieinz, well I mean matchbox and hildon, and mamo's specific interface configs18:59
DracieI am playing with matchbox, not sure if all the hildon packages are in the ubuntu repo ...  i got this all in a vm18:59
inzDracie, of course you can also use the repositories, which also contain x86 packages, but you don't want to install them in your day-to-day-use install19:00
Dracieyup Its fine if i nuke this ubuntu install I love Virtualization19:01
unixSnobi don't recall what these .install files are.  I downloaded one to my host.  Once I upload it to the device, will the file manager know what to do with it?19:01
StskeepsieDracie: can always try out the Mer vmdk's as well19:01
Stskeepsie(maemo platform mangled into fit on all sorts of devices)19:02
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DracieI might get a beagleboard so I am poking around GUIs19:02
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lcukDracie, buy a tablet, they have a touchscreen which is much more pokable than either your x86 or a beagle19:03
Dracielcuk, yes I would love to buy a n81019:04
DracieI have an ipod touch not too happy with it though19:04
lcukwhats wrong with it then19:05
amr-i just bought an n81019:06
amr-it brings back memories of my 770, such joy19:06
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* unixSnob just read that the 810 wimax edition was discontinued.. wonder why that is19:07
amr-anyone here in the uk thats used 'boingo' before?19:09
Dracielcuk, even jailbroken its a PITA since I don't even have a working toolchain and the repos are far from complete19:10
amr-laff, "city must contain a minimum of 6 chars"19:11
amr-so much for putting my city as 'leeds' then19:11
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GAN800unixSnob, download the .installs on the device. Sprint screwed up the WiMAX deployment.19:13
RST38hamr: Will Leeeds do?19:13
RST38hOr even /_eedz19:14
StskeepsieDracie: good argument19:14
amr-i just put a space at the end heh19:15
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unixSnobGAN800: ok, thanks.  I already copied the install files to the device and file manager was able to handle them.. but i guess there's little point in not downloading them directly19:20
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unixSnobare there any triple sim phones that will work as a gsm modem for the n800?19:23
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unixSnobtriple sim phones seem to be in small supply19:23
Stskeepsieall the drug dealers has them ;)19:24
unixSnobyeah, i suppose they're quite useful for dealers.  one chip for personal, one for legit work, and one for deals19:25
xnt14unixSnob: xD19:26
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DracieI would have to say the last two ipods have been the worst19:27
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xnt14btw stskeeps, how about adding support for this in mer? just tot control waypoints,
DracieI loved my ipod mini it ran UCLinux19:27
xnt14Dracie: my ipod nano 1st gen runs ipodlinux :)19:28
xnt14now only if my ipod touch ran (useable) linux19:28
* xnt14 wonders what ipods have to do with #maemo19:29
xnt14stskeepsie: something like this?
RST38hMental note: Avoid anything using GStreamer on the desktop.19:30
Draciexnt14, my 2nd gen ipod nano was horrible I am happy it either got stolen or was lost19:30
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xnt14Dracie: buy an ipod nano 1st gen and put linux, or if you are willing to put  up with a darwin based os/wait for a useable linux get an ipod touch,
xnt14or iphone19:32
Dracieyeah i saw videos of that  booting19:32
unixSnobit just occurred to me that drug dealers could really use a custom app that takes orders over openvpn19:34
xnt14unixsnob: I sorta doubt that drugdealers know how to write an app :P19:34
* xnt14 doesn't know what phone to get, iphone 3rd gen, nokia n97, HTC Sapphire, Palm Pre...19:35
keesjxnt14: times are hard19:36
unixSnobxnt14: it would have to be user friendly.. developers could write it for them19:36
xnt14unixSnob: yeah...19:36
unixSnobxnt14: there could also be a client app..19:36
lcukunixSnob, i like the principle of ordering a taxi to location via text message and automatic gps19:36
xnt14keesj: :(19:37
lcukexpand on it and allow pizza deliver, or even illicit goods19:37
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xnt14now if iphone linux gets drivers and then android, mer, etc gets ported...19:37
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GAN800xnt14, WinMob is right out.19:37
GAN800Pre is CDMA19:38
Razumihine71 nokia is pretty good.19:38
lcukfor how long though, thats just modem choice19:38
RazumihinToo small screen for me though.19:38
xnt14GAN800: there is going to be a GSM version, I think19:38
RazumihinBut i  myself am waiting for the maemo phone to come out :)19:38
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xnt14Razumihin: I really want a linux/unix phone, and I don't think that nokia is going to make a maemo phone :(19:39
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RazumihinThey are.19:40
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lcuki dont want a linux phone, it gets tiresome having to open a console and type "sudo answercall"19:40
RazumihinI can bet on it ;)19:40
Razumihinlcuk: I would actually prefer that :)19:41
GAN800xnt14, sure, but not soon.19:41
Razumihinxnt14: I have heard from like 5 different nokia employees that it actually exists already.19:41
keesjlcuk is reading to much
xnt14Razumihin: :)19:42
RazumihinBut i don19:42
lcukheh keesj19:42
RST38hRazumihin: They were plaiying with your mind, hehehehehe19:42
xnt14lcuk: :P19:42
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Razumihin't know is it coming now or after a year :)19:42
RST38hGAN800: Never had a problem with BT breaking in 5800 BTW?19:42
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lcukkeesj, i spotted it as a posting on twitter and it made me laugh19:42
RST38hGAN800: As in "Cannot perform Bluetooth operation" every time you try enabling it19:42
lcukbut i couldnt find the link, ta19:42
RazumihinBut i'm pretty happy 9500, e61 and n810 user so no hurry :)19:43
RazumihinBut as a linux hippie I would really prefer linux devices.19:44
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lcukhahahah "Changing your keypad to dvorak layout, where the most commonly used numbers are in the middle row "19:45
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inzlcuk, what do you mean sudo answercall, you keep minicom open all the time, and say ATA when it says RING19:48
crashanddielcuk, lol?19:49
Razumihininz: :D19:49
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crashanddiedvorak keypad? lmao19:49
inzShouln't you SYNACK?19:50
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xnt14keesj: xDDD, that blog is hilarious :P:P19:51
RazumihinFIN ;)19:53
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yigalI have a persistent problem, for months, with sound on OS2008 w/n800 and I'm hoping someone might be able to help me diagnose and even fix it?20:20
lcukwhat sort of problem20:20
yigalif I close or open a window, and number of other system processes the sound resets, there's a popping sound at least not sure what it is20:21
lcukdoes it do this after a reflash20:22
lcukor was there a time rather when it didnt do it20:22
yigallcuk: haven't reflashed, and yes it used to not do this, I believe a system upgrade but what package?20:23
yigalit sounds like /etc/rc.d/alsa restart20:23
yigalalthough I'm not sure if the n800 is even using alsa?20:23
yigalbut it's a similar sound to doing this on a computer20:24
yigalis it more work than worth it, should I just reflash?20:25
lcukits always easiest20:26
yigaleach time a window opens "click-pop"20:26
yigallcuk: :P20:26
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lcukwe could travel round the houses for hours, ive never heard of it before though, you could ask in talk.maemo.org20:27
yigalI did a search but most likely used the wrong keywords20:27
yigalfound nothing, that is20:27
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yigalstart a new thread, but I want to start using Mer anyways so I'll reflash then, problem solved :)20:28
* unixSnob just installed PasswordManager, and there's no integration w/ the web browser :(20:29
unixSnobi mean, i installed passwordsafe20:30
unixSnobdoes password manager integrate w/ the browser?20:30
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GAN800RST38h, not that I've noticed but I never disable it and am several versions behind the rest of the goddamn world.20:37
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amr-when you can no longer get uni wireless, set up a wireless ad-hoc network on your friends laptop across the hall20:48
amr-and mooch off that20:48
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amr-looks pretty nifty20:52
Stskeepsieon the other hand not many people succeed in booting it20:53
amr-thats a bugger20:53
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keesjthat last image , is that a kexec based boot menu?21:01
kfxI think that last image is just a gnome logout menu21:03
Stskeepsieno, that's the deblet/mer rescue menu with a ubuntu skin21:03
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unixSnob_suppose I get a dual sim android phone ( ).. Can I expect this thing to tether to an n800, since there are android tethering apps out there?21:28
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unixSnobi installed timesheet, and it fails to launch because it can't find /usr/share/gpe/pixmaps22:11
unixSnobIs GPE a separate install?22:11
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unixSnobfixed it.  installing another GPE app caused the needed files to get installed22:22
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twoheadedturtleHi all, thanks in advance for any help. I just cloned my flash install to my external drive. Everything seems to be working fine and I'm pretty sure I'm now booted into my external install. However, df says /dev/mmcblk0p2 is mount on / and /dev/mmcblk1p2 is mount on /mnt/initfs. Shouldn't */dev/memblk1p2* be mounted on / not mmcblk0? sfdisk says that /dev/mmcblk0p2 is Empty...22:39
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Stskeepsiethere's a bug where it misrepresents mmcblk0 vs mmcblk1, at least22:40
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rmttwoheadedturtle: I did a little hack where I create my own mtab file, fixing it up..22:54
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rmttwoheadedturtle: It makes me feel better, at least.22:54
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twoheadedturtlesorry about that, internet disconnected for a bit. Anybody have a clue why mmcblk0p2 (an empty partion) is shown as being mounted at /?23:09
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lcuk<rmt> twoheadedturtle: I did a little hack where I create my own mtab file, fixing it up..23:22
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lcuk<rmt> twoheadedturtle: It makes me feel better, at least.23:22
twoheadedturtlehaha ok, but anyone know why it does that? I guess it doesn't really matter as long as things work23:24
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rmttwoheadedturtle, Yeah, people know why.. kernel bug of some sort. Unpredictable naming iirc, so they had to settle on one convention for the initfs.23:28
rmtThink it was ordered one way with the N800, and another with the N810..23:28
twoheadedturtleahh ok, thanks23:28
rmtOr it may have something to do with whether or not you have an external mmc card in there.23:29
rmtWas considering just swapping the nodes around in my initfs image23:29
rmtBut didn't want to screw that up. :-P23:29
twoheadedturtlei have both internal and external in, but i think i remember reading something about the naming stuff23:29
twoheadedturtlehahaha i know right, as long as it works, don't fix it23:30
ShadowJKI experienced the naming was swapped when booting N810 without external card23:30
Macerwell. i have concluded that win7 goes about as fast as xp but has all of the vista crap23:31
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twoheadedturtlehmm, well I have the external card in, and it's not just that it switches between mmcblk0 - mmcblk123:32
twoheadedturtleit's that it uses both23:32
twoheadedturtlehere is my df and sfdisk outputs23:33
twoheadedturtle~ $ df23:33
twoheadedturtleFilesystem           1k-blocks      Used Available Use% Mounted on23:33
twoheadedturtle/dev/mmcblk1p2            4224      2504      1720  59% /mnt/initfs23:33
twoheadedturtlenone                       512        92       420  18% /mnt/initfs/tmp23:33
twoheadedturtle/dev/mmcblk0p2         8819168    479772   7891396   6% /23:33
twoheadedturtlenone                       512        92       420  18% /tmp23:33
twoheadedturtlenone                      1024        72       952   7% /dev23:33
twoheadedturtletmpfs                     1024         0      1024   0% /dev/shm23:33
twoheadedturtle/dev/mmcblk0p1         1922972   1700424    222548  88% /media/mmc223:33
twoheadedturtle~ $ sudo sfdisk -l23:33
twoheadedturtleDisk /dev/mmcblk0: 61440 cylinders, 4 heads, 16 sectors/track23:33
twoheadedturtleUnits = cylinders of 32768 bytes, blocks of 1024 bytes, counting from 023:33
twoheadedturtle   Device Boot Start     End   #cyls    #blocks   Id  System23:33
twoheadedturtle/dev/mmcblk0p1          0+  60210   60211-   1926744    b  W95 FAT3223:33
twoheadedturtle/dev/mmcblk0p2          0       -       0          0    0  Empty23:33
twoheadedturtle/dev/mmcblk0p3          0       -       0          0    0  Empty23:33
twoheadedturtle/dev/mmcblk0p4          0       -       0          0    0  Empty23:33
twoheadedturtleDisk /dev/mmcblk1: 486192 cylinders, 4 heads, 16 sectors/track23:33
twoheadedturtleUnits = cylinders of 32768 bytes, blocks of 1024 bytes, counting from 023:33
twoheadedturtle   Device Boot Start     End   #cyls    #blocks   Id  System23:33
twoheadedturtle/dev/mmcblk1p1          1  100000  100000    3200000    b  W95 FAT3223:33
twoheadedturtle/dev/mmcblk1p2     100001  380000  280000    8960000   83  Linux23:34
twoheadedturtle/dev/mmcblk1p3     380001  486191  106191    3398112   83  Linux23:34
twoheadedturtle/dev/mmcblk1p4          0+      0       1-        31+  83  Linux23:34
twoheadedturtlenotice that /mnt/initfs is correct, mmcblk1p2, but / is wrong, mmcblk0p2 - which from sfdisk is an empty partion23:34
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twoheadedturtlebut like I say things work, and if it's a known, or related to a know issue then I'll leave it be, I just thought maybe i'd done something stupid23:34
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CutMeOwnThroataah, paste-attack23:58

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