IRC log of #maemo for Friday, 2009-05-22

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luke-jrless than 24 hours to figure out how to get my stupid N810 to record audio00:12
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Infektawhy do you only have that much time?00:16
Infektaand i thought i saw an app that did that00:16
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luke-jrInfekta: it just records silence x.x00:17
Infektahave you tried using the headset with it?00:18
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luke-jrInfekta: no, I don't want to use a headset for input :/00:20
luke-jrand I forget where i put it..00:20
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Macerwhite light black rain sucked00:21
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xnt14~seen b-man00:30
infobotb-man is currently on #maemo (32m 32s), last said: 'it's a bit complicated - but i'll figure it out :)'.00:30
xnt1432 mins :P00:30
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jeremiahwhen have an infobot?00:32
jeremiah~seen xfade00:32
infoboti haven't seen 'xfade', jeremiah00:32
jeremiahWell then you suck inforbot00:32
lbt~seen X-Fade00:33
infobotx-fade <> was last seen on IRC in channel #maemo, 1d 6h 54m 45s ago, saying: 'lizardo: Yeah, but at least covering the obvious ones will help.'.00:33
* lbt polishes his shoe on his trouser leg and whistles nonchalantly...00:34
timeless_mbpjeremiah: i'm fairly certain infobot predates you :)00:35
Macerthe damn pay insurance company i have .. has a mailbox that only allows 3MB emails00:36
Macer:) wtf?00:36
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jeremiahMy fingers cannot spell.00:44
jeremiahtimeless_mbp: Impossible, I was born a long, long time ago.00:45
lardman_in a galaxy far, far away....00:45
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lardman_night all00:49
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Macerhow the hell is this woman alive00:51
Macershe was 240 meters from ground 0 in hiroshima00:51
Macerand is like 9000:51
Macerlike.. do some people just not get cancer from atomic bombs or something?00:51
lbtmost of what we know is by observation of these people00:52
lbtshe demonstrates the statistical nature of radiation damage00:53
Maceri suppose so. i guess being iradiated doesn't always end up causing death00:54
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Macerthen they all went back to the city00:55
Macerthey lived in the radation cities and a lot of them survived00:56
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lbtafter a certain time the risk is then the particles in the environment00:58
Macersorry. i am watching white light black rain00:58
Macerand i always just assumed that anybody who had huge doses of radiation in the cities had died00:58
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* lbt worked in nuclear industry many years ago01:06
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b-man~nuke lbt01:23
* infobot prepares 100 missle silos, and targets them at lbt ... B☢☢M!01:23
* lbt lives near AWE Aldermaston.... we have defences...01:23
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lbtAWE = Atomic Weapons Establishment....01:24
b-man~nuke lbt's defences01:24
* infobot prepares 100 missle silos, and targets them at lbt's defences ... B☢☢M!01:24
xnt14~destroy defences01:24
b-man~attack lbt's defences01:25
* infobot grabs a pen, screams like she's possessed, and begins chasing lbt's defences01:25
xnt14that does not make sense xD01:25
b-mani know! XD01:25
xnt14~hack lbt's defences01:26
* infobot teaches lbt's defences nethack so that lbt's defences will play until 6 AM01:26
xnt14now lbt's defences are busy playing nethack xD01:26
xnt14~nuke lbt01:26
* infobot prepares 100 missle silos, and targets them at lbt ... B☢☢M!01:26
b-man~burn lbt's defences01:26
* infobot pours gasoline all over lbt's defences, ignites the fire, and then enjoys some toasty marshmallows with the glorious blaze01:26
xnt14try to not abuse infobot xD01:27
b-manyeah XD01:27
* lbt retreats to #mer01:27
* lbt leaves killer kitten behind01:28
b-manvictory!! XD01:28
b-mannooo!! DX01:28
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* b-man sends killer kitten to #mer01:28
xnt14$cage kitten01:29
* xntbot takes a huge cage and places it over the killer kitten01:29
xnt14xntbot, Im bored, are you?01:30
xntbotb-man, what?01:30
xntbotxnt14, yes I am bored01:30
b-man$xntbot blow up01:31
* xntbot blows up01:31
b-man$cage xnt1401:32
xnt14$fix xntbot01:32
xntbotb-man, I am currently broken01:32
xntbotxnt14, thankyou, I am fixed01:32
b-man$cage xnt1401:32
xnt14$chase b-man01:32
* xntbot grabs a bat and chases b-man01:33
xnt14$% remove cage01:33
* b-man gets beaten by xntbot01:33
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xnt14$stop action(beat,b-man);01:33
xnt14$kick b-man shin01:34
* xntbot kicks b-man in the shin01:34
b-man$kick xnt14 $´#*01:35
xntbotb-man, invalid syntax01:35
xnt14$runover b-man01:35
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xntbotxnt14, unknown command01:35
xnt14oops xD01:35
b-man$kick xnt14 crouch01:35
xntbotb-man, sorry, the "kick" command is only availible to my owner01:36
* xntbot grabs b-man's n800 from hus hand, and runs01:37
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xnt14lol :p01:38
* xntbot dismantles xntbot_01:38
xntboterror: no nick xntbot_01:38
xnt14$action(deathnote, write,"Brian Mckenzie");01:39
* xntbot writes Brian McKenzie in his Deathnote01:39
b-man$action(deathnote, write, "xnt14");01:40
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xntbotb-man, sorry, the action() command is only available to my owner because it allows execution of shell scripts01:42
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xnt14$add F0x01:42
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FireFoxinfobot: kill xntbot01:42
* infobot shoots a charged pseudoelectron gun at xntbot01:42
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xnt14$remove F0x01:42
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xntbot*infobot's charged pseudoelectron shot bounces off of xntbots armor01:44
xnt14$fry infobot01:44
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FireFox~burn infobot01:45
* infobot pours gasoline all over infobot, ignites the fire, and then enjoys some toasty marshmallows with the glorious blaze01:45
FireFox~burn xntbot01:45
* infobot pours gasoline all over xntbot, ignites the fire, and then enjoys some toasty marshmallows with the glorious blaze01:45
* xntbot focuses sunlight via a mirror and burns infobots charred body01:45
* xntbot 's body is fireproof :)01:46
FireFox~screw up xntbot01:46
* infobot asks up xntbot to bend over01:46
xnt14$crack FireFox01:47
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* xntbot cracks FireFox with a hammer01:47
[Fox]~attack xntbot01:48
* infobot grabs a pen, screams like she's possessed, and begins chasing xntbot01:48
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xnt14now the alias is tied to your hostname01:50
* Fox16 changes his mac adress01:50
xnt14thats your ipaddress01:50
* Fox16 changes his ip01:51
* xnt14 checks01:51
xnt14still the same xD01:51
* xnt14 can't change his ip unless he calles verizon, and goes through a crappy phone system, and multiple operators xD (they don't even know what a DHCP Reset is)01:52
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xnt14$clip b-man,phoneline01:53
* b-man pings xnt1401:53
* xntbot goes to ohio,b-man's house and clips b-mans dsl line01:53
xnt14*pong xD01:53
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xnt14wait ping as if in irc ping? or the ping unix command?01:54
b-man   try "/ping" ;)01:54
* xnt14 goes down to the garage to check his fios ONT01:54
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xnt14strangely the fiberoptic activity and the ethernet ectivity light is solid on my ONT01:55
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xnt14$(sudo addsource deb intrepid main)01:57
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xnt14$(sudo apt-get update ; sudo apt-get install paparazzi-bin)01:57
xnt14bot apt-get installs ftw01:57
xntbotxnt14, all commands complete01:58
b-manwhere did you get that bot?????01:58
xnt14$killall xntbot01:58
xnt14$emotion happy01:59
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xnt14@init xntbotv201:59
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xntbotv2hello xnt14, upgrade complete02:00
xntbotv2xntbot version 2.0 development build02:01
xntbotv2info: xntbot 2.0 running on as xntbot in hypervisor kvm02:02
xnt14kvm ftw02:02
xnt14$info verbose=302:03
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xntbotv2info: xntbot 2.0 running on as xntbot in hypervisor kvm, connected clients:,,pool-71-124-32-204.chi01.dsl-w.verizon.net02:03
xntbotv2b-man, sourcecode is not currently available02:04
xnt14not available yet xD02:04
b-manwhat's it written in?02:05
xnt14$bind(xD,"xD? what does that mean?")02:05
xnt14$#! b-man02:05
xntbotv2b-man, I am written in python02:06
xntbotv2xD? what does that mean?02:06
xntbotv2xD? what does that mean?02:06
xntbotv2xD? what does that mean?02:06
xnt14$compile /dv/b-manbot/02:07
xntbotv2Checking /dv/b-manbot02:07
xntbotv2found makefile02:07
xntbotv2Output: make: *** No targets specified Stop.02:08
xntbotv2xD? what does that mean?02:08
xnt14$shell(rm /dv/xntbot/custom_binds/kw/xD);02:08
b-man~fix xntbotv202:08
* infobot opens the hood of xntbotv2 , looks inside and says "that'll be 500 dollars."02:08
LiraNunaanyone knows the maintainer for dosbox maemo?02:09
* xntbotv2 slams his hood shut, and smashes infobots cpu and says "that will be 100,000 dollars"02:09
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xnt14LiraNuna: nope, let me check02:09
LiraNunaARM dynarec for x8602:10
b-manxnt14: lol02:10
LiraNunaoh wow it's old02:10
b-manxntbot needs to replace infobot :)02:11
* xntbotv2 hits himself with a wrench02:11
* b-man lols out loud02:12
xnt14$upgrade, seemless,v3.0i02:12
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xntbotv3ihello xnt14, upgrade complete02:12
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* b-man needs to eat dinner - i'll be back ;)02:13
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xntbotv3i[sleep]Send "$wakeup" to wakeup02:14
xnt14ok now to test out paparazzi
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GeneralAntillesI wish we had some sort of timeframe for implementing Extras QA03:06
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GeneralAntillesNokia and their goddamn charger notices.03:19
GeneralAntillesThese things make me want to never buy Nokia products again.03:19
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LiraNunaNokia better speed up, apple has a netbook coming soon04:05
LiraNunadamn I hate apple hype so bad04:05
shaprWill the next internet table charge from usb? Would make my life easier.04:08
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LiraNunanot much is known about the next tablet04:08
derfshapr: You can get an adapter for the current ones.04:09
LiraNunawould be nice if Nokia started some sort of survey about the next device04:10
LiraNunathough it's nice to be able to browse the sources and get an impression about what is speculative04:10
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timelessgenerally hardware features in maemo devices are similar to other average nokia products as we share purchasing04:13
shaprLiraNuna: Next tablet uses an OMAP3430, will probably have an FM transmitter, I forget the rest.04:13
LiraNunashapr, I know, 3G was also 'announced'04:14
LiraNunaas well as a memory slot and opengl es 2.004:14
LiraNunabut not much details are known04:15
LiraNunaI saw a post on maemo forums about the keyboard layout04:15
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GeneralAntillesshapr, yes, USB.04:20
infobothmm... rx-51 is
GeneralAntillesBasically everything we know.04:21
GeneralAntillesAlthough some stuff I left out (since it seemed obvious to me) and some stuff we've found out since (like the USB transceiver part ;)).04:22
LiraNunaI hope it'll be an N810 lookalike, I really like the way it looks and fells04:27
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timeless_mbpLiraNuna: aww, you mean you don't want the hardware designers to have a job?04:55
LiraNunatimeless, haha04:55
LiraNunatimeless_mbp, well, I meant no radical changes ;D04:55
timeless_mbpok, no Elephant shaped tablets04:56
timeless_mbpi guess we can live with that04:56
timeless_mbptigers ok? :)04:56
timeless_mbpsorry, i'm in a strange mood, starving again04:57
LiraNunanothing's wrong with a little humor :)04:58
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GeneralAntillestimeless_mbp, refrigerators are wonderful pieces of tech.05:08
timeless_mbpoh, i probably have some food at home05:09
timeless_mbpbut it's damp outside05:09
GeneralAntillesWhat, you a witch? :P05:09
GeneralAntillesIt's been raining so much here our pool overflowed05:10
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timeless_mbpyou have a pool05:19
timeless_mbpWhat, are you rich? :P05:19
derfHe lives in Florida.05:19
derfEveryone has a pool.05:19
derfI don't think they make houses without them.05:19
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Macerthey're sending bio-robots to the roof of chernobyl in order to clear the radioactive graphite from it :)05:23
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Macerdon't space suits protect against radioactivity?05:25
GeneralAntillestimeless_mbp, well, my parents do and I'm home for the summer. ;)05:28
timeless_mbpthere was a movie like that recently05:28
* timeless_mbp ponders05:28
GeneralAntillesBut, yes, Florida.05:28
timeless_mbpBad Boys 2?05:28
timeless_mbpthe one where the pool kept flooding :)05:29
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timeless_mbpbtw, how the heck do people read blogspots w/ archives that seem to be hundreds of screens long?05:31
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Bobbethe mascot topic at itt should be
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timeless_mbpghostbusters 3??05:39
timeless_mbpSlashdot just slashvertised the n81005:41
GeneralAntillesBe nice if Nokia could work out some sort of Ovi store deal with Amazon for ebooks.05:43
BobbeGeneralAntilles, I don't think they're giving away Kindle monopoly for any reasonable amounts of money (or a lot more than reasonable, I suppose)05:44
GeneralAntillesBobbe, sure, but one can wish. ;)05:45
timeless_mbpBobbe: amazon released a reader for the ipod05:45
BobbeGeneralAntilles, sure thing05:45
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Bobbetimeless_mbp, yeah, but the MO is completely different05:46
Macerthey were showing deformed chernobyl babies05:47
GeneralAntillesAny way to get the 5800 browser to download an image?05:48
Bobbeno idea05:49
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Bobbewhat happens when you click and hold?05:50
GeneralAntillesAbsolutely nothing.05:50
GeneralAntillesTap'n'hold works in a disappointingly limited number of places.05:50
Bobbewhat other browsers do you have for the N800? does opera mini work fine in it?05:51
GeneralAntillesDidn't bother to try.05:52
GeneralAntillesBrowsing is way inferior to my N800.05:52
Bobbeis it faster to load pages?05:53
BobbeGeneralAntilles, do u use the boxwave screen protector?05:54
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GeneralAntillesBobbe, yes.05:55
GeneralAntillesBobbe, faster to load, easier to use.05:55
GeneralAntillesMuch more functional.05:55
Bobbeyou mean the N800 is05:55
GeneralAntillesThe S60 5th's browser interface is the dumbest shit I've ever seen.05:55
Bobbein the s60 3rd browser you could press 1 to bring an on-screen menu05:56
Bobbenow try and find 1 in the browser05:56
timeless_mbpGeneralAntilles: did you try skyfire?05:56
timeless_mbpBobbe: heh05:56
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BobbeInvisible shield 50% off05:59
* Bobbe bought his boxwave already, but tempted05:59
GeneralAntillestimeless_mbp, no.06:00
GeneralAntillesBobbe, invisible shield isn't as good06:01
GeneralAntilleswell, it's different anyway.06:01
GeneralAntillesI like a protector I can move from unit to unit as needed.06:01
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BobbeWas it 100% re-usable? Did it come off and back in easily?06:01
Bobbewell worth the buy then. Off with IS06:03
BobbeGeneralAntilles, you wouldn't happen to have a case to recommend it, would you? Not one of those silicon ones, more like a pouch where I could put cables and mmcs and stuff06:04
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Bobbe<lyndak>: I would love to change the world, but they won't give me the source code.06:05
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LiraNunaoh wow07:07
LiraNunaPVR SGX GPL drivers07:07
LiraNunawhat's stopping them from giving the MBX drivers then?07:07
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GAN800Different chips, different agreements.07:12
LiraNunaI know, it's just sad :<07:12
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thuxusually mini laptops have atom, but hp got that via model, is it as good/bad as atom ones?08:14
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tank-manmost likely worst08:20
thuxok then i pass just would be cheap now08:21
RST38h[state-of-factly] Get a laptop with a real CPU08:21
luke-jryeah, none of that x86 crap08:21
RST38hluke-jr: What CPU is in the computer you are currently using?08:22
RST38hWhat computer are you using?08:23
thuxi got sempron and turion laptops, but my mini is asus 701 and would need better08:23
RST38hCan your N810 play a movie in DVD quality? Or play a semi-advanced game?08:23
luke-jrRST38h: if TI wasn't jerks? :p08:24
RST38hluke-jr: You really think it has anything to do with TI?08:24
luke-jrI do know that Samsung competitor SoC has hardware acceleration for h.264 decoding08:24
luke-jrI'd be surprised if TI's OMAP didn't08:25
RST38hOk, so you have got h.264 acceleration08:25
RST38hHow about a game of WoW?08:25
luke-jrWoW is a Win16 virtualization layer for WinNT ☺08:25
luke-jrWoW32 is the same, but for Win32 on Win6408:26
RST38hIt is mostly a generic computation task, mind you08:26
luke-jrkinda like WINE08:26
RST38hAh, do not fake ignorance08:26
luke-jrbut WoW-- Windows on Windows08:27
Macerhey! wine is not an emulator!08:27
luke-jrI care not for stupid proprietary games that idiotly overlap existing acronyms08:27
thuxis any mini lap better than others or all same?08:27
luke-jrthux: handheld, or netbook?08:28
luke-jrMacer: nobody said it was08:28
tank-mandefine better08:28
Maceri was just messing around08:29
Maceralthough i personally consider calling something an intepreter just a different word for emulator08:29
thuxbetter hmm like is asus or acer netbooks same or one better than other08:29
luke-jrMacer: WINE isn't an interpreter either08:29
luke-jrthux: define better08:30
Macerit's not?08:30
luke-jrthux: do you mean faster? more reliable?08:30
luke-jrMacer: not at all08:30
Macerwhat is it then?08:30
luke-jrMacer: WINE is just a collection of libraries08:30
luke-jrand a PE loader08:30
thuxyes faster08:30
thuxfastest netbook08:30
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jaem_N810hey folks08:31
luke-jrMacer: with WINE, Windows apps are running the same way they do on Windows08:31
jaem_N810quick question08:31
luke-jrjaem_N810: no, I will not join your cult.08:31
jaem_N810luke-jr: I don't have one08:32
jaem_N810but I do have some pamphlets you might be interested in08:32
Macerluke-jr: then why do they run so crappy?08:32
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jaem_N810Macer: Wine == dereenigne Windows08:33
jaem_N810therefore bugs08:33
luke-jrMacer: they don't08:33
luke-jrMacer: many apps run better in WINE than on Windows08:33
Macerwhen they run? :)08:33
Macerso what prevents them from running?08:33
jaem_N810Macer: exactly08:33
luke-jrMacer: any standard Win32 app should run fine08:33
luke-jrthe problem is mainly with apps that go beyond simple Win3208:34
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luke-jreg, perhaps internal NT native APIs08:34
luke-jror DirectX08:34
Macerwhy should it be a problem if it just uses win libs?08:34
jaem_N810I have a wgotten dump of sequentially numbered JPEGs from a webcomic08:34
Macerisn't directx just a collection of libs used to work with apis?08:34
luke-jrMacer: if it just uses Win libs, there is no problem08:34
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RST38hMacer: No08:34
jaem_N810the stock Maemo image viewer sorts by standard alphanum, and therefore the comics are out of order08:34
luke-jrMacer: DirectX is a collection of special-purpose libraries08:34
tank-manjaem_N810, easy solution is rename your jpgs08:35
jaem_N810is there anything that will sort them numerically? (e.g. 2 < 10)08:35
RST38hMacer: It actually goes pretty deep into the system, the "libraries" are just the interface to the whole iceberg08:35
Macerwell. i think wine is around 30% success rate for me08:35
jaem_N810tank-man: there is that, but my other apps do it properly08:35
thuxRST38h: thanks,08:36
RST38hMacer: Started as a kind of SDL but as everything with Microsoft did not stay that way08:36
jaem_N810it's bedtime here, and I was looking for a quick fix... I'm not good at shell scripting08:36
jaem_N810it's on my list of "to-learn"'s08:37
luke-jrMacer: back when I used WINE, it was pretty much perfect with any app I cared about08:37
luke-jrwhich was like, VirtualDub, Sub Station Alpha, and Myst08:37
Macergoing to the way back when08:38
luke-jrMyst made CD-ROMs a success :p08:38
luke-jreveryone loves Myst08:38
Macerspeaking of myst. i should try playing a newer one08:38
Maceri haven't played myst in forever08:38
luke-jrMacer: they remade the original08:38
luke-jrsmooth 3D instead of snapshots08:38
jaem_N810night, folks08:39
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Macerwoah really?08:39
Macerwhat's it called?08:39
luke-jrthat remake has a few glitches in WINE tho08:39
Maceri have a win box08:39
luke-jrof course, being 3D, it's not strictly Win32 ;)08:39
Maceri want to play myst. how old is it?08:39
Macerintel 945 is kind of a crappy gp08:39
luke-jrthe original or remake?08:40
Macerthe remake08:40
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luke-jrMacer: Nov 200008:40
thuxabout gaming, does dosbox run on tablet?08:40
luke-jrrealMyst: Interactive 3D Edition was a remake of Myst released in November 2000 for Windows PCs, and in January 2002 for the Macs. Unlike Myst and the Masterpiece Edition, realMyst featured free-roaming, real-time 3D graphics instead of pre-rendered stills.08:40
luke-jrthux: no, dosbox isn't an emulator either08:40
luke-jrI think08:41
thuxi personally would need dosemu on tablet, cause got one useful dos program which i use08:42
luke-jrMacer: Myst for PSP was released in 200608:42
RST38hDBaseIII? =)08:42
luke-jrthux: Commander Keen?08:42
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thuxno this is like calculator08:43
luke-jrMacer: Myst for iPhone was literally JUST released :P08:43
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LiraNuna is down?09:18
LiraNunanvm it got back09:18
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BobbeGuys, my battery status icon keeps selecting itself all the time. It interrupts other programs, probably drains my battery little by little, and is fairly annoying in general. Is anybody having the same bug as I do?09:35
Myrttimy bf has that09:36
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x29athe default powerapp or the "advanced" power applet?09:36
BobbeDefault toored pill modeVai no gerenciador de aplicativos e manda adicionar um repositrio novo ()09:37
Bobbemy vnc is bugged too =(09:38
BobbeI didn't install any advanced power monitor apps =)09:38
x29ahmm, works for me, sorry09:38
x29ado you have any settingspage open still in background09:38
x29aor which services are running? is it comming to the foreground because it thinks there is a plug installed (hw issue)?09:39
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Macerwell. now gibbs quit09:40
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Macerwtf ncis!09:40
Macerfirst you kill kate then make gibbs quit!09:40
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StsN800shush with the spoilers09:42
Bobbeconnecting the charger doesn't select the icon09:42
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Bobbehow can I tail the system log to see what happens when the icon auto-selects?09:43
MacerStsN800: are you actually watching it? :)09:43
Maceri figured not too many non-military people watched ncis09:44
StsN800Macer, not actively since i dont have a tv anymore09:44
StsN800its on tv here09:44
Maceryou don't have a computer?09:44
StsN800i do, and i have a media center, but ncis isnt one of the series i actively get09:45
Macerah . i see09:47
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MyrttiI wish that telepathy would give a bit better error information >__<10:02
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StsN800"What Happen?!" type of errors?10:03
MyrttiStsN800: "Network Error" isn't exactly informative10:04
Myrttileaves me in the state of "D'oh"10:04
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Macerhm. that was somewhat odd10:18
Macerthis 1GHz artigo works well as a shell server10:18
Maceramongst a few other things10:18
Macermaybe a web server but it might be a tad bit too slow for anything serious10:19
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t_s_ook, that was scary. was doing some updates and the dpad led blinked, then the tablet rebooted, and next to the nokia logo it came a message about recovering a software update...10:47
Stskeepsyeah, those moments are kinda like the moments where you notice your baby is sitting in the window :P10:50
x29a_or even worse, michael jackson is holding it out of the window10:51
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Stskeepsyeah :P10:51
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JaffaMorning, all10:58
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Stskeepsmorning jafffa11:01
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Stskeepsmorn timeless_mbp11:05
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RST38h  <-- a rare look into modest internals =)11:28
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Stskeepsheh, that's a funny bug11:43
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RST38hSts: From the way those comments sound, it is quite possible that Modest will not show counts of new messages for each account at the top UI screen12:08
RST38hUnless Quim talks sense into these guys of course12:08
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StsN800thats lousy really12:12
StsN800i would continue using claws then12:13
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aquatixas long as Modest doesn't mark read email as read on the imap server, i can't use it12:17
aquatixit seems it only does so when stopping the session12:17
aquatixand that's... never12:17
aquatixas it backgrounds12:17
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suihkulokkiaquatix: bugnumber?12:23
RST38hsuihkulokki: It is irrelevant as none of Modest bugs will be fixed.12:23
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suihkulokkiaquatix: you manage the dovecot server?12:30
RST38hmoo lardman12:30
aquatixsuihkulokki: yep, it's on my VPS12:30
suihkulokkiaquatix: you might want to try dovecot with the rawlog plugin to see what exact imap commands get sent and when:
lardmannice page:
suihkulokkiaquatix: I also think you mixed dovecot and exim4 version numbers in your bug comment :)12:33
aquatixmight be, it's been a while12:33
aquatixsuihkulokki: what i understand is that modest optimises network traffic12:34
aquatixit queues imap commands till it thinks it's done, like at the end of a session12:34
aquatixexcept that only happens when you stop its service12:34
aquatixor break the connection, but then it's too late12:34
roopeThat's weird. I thought I've seen the email message numbers on the default screen.12:36
suihkulokkiaquatix: that's a conclusion built on anecdoctal evidence12:36
suihkulokkihaving systematic evidence (such as logs) is better =)12:37
aquatixwell, i remember checking traffic/logs then12:37
* aquatix will true that rawlog12:37
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RST38hroope: maybe I misunderstood the comments in that bug12:40
roopeThen again, I've tried only one account at a time.12:42
roopeBut hmm.12:42
roopeAnyways, it's a lot nicer than anything previously. :)12:42
RST38hroope: only matters if it is nice enough12:43
RST38hthe Diablo version is not usable by any means12:43
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timeless_mbpRST38h: which app?12:49
roopeI think it's pretty usable now.12:50
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RST38hroope: Oh I tried many times, it is not12:52
roopeHmm, that's weird.12:52
RST38hroope: I can go over the list of concrete problems but it is purely academical now12:52
aquatixhm, doesn't modest have a `refresh' folders option?12:52
RST38haquatix: It does but it does not work if background process failed to connect some time in the past12:53
RST38hFurthermore, for my POP3 account it does not seem to work at all now12:53
roopeok, I'll say this way: I've been using it now for the past weeks and ... I haven't encountered any showstoppers.12:53
roopebut your mileage may vary. :)12:53
RST38hroope: You may be using it in a very much controlled environment, perfect connection, IMAP server, verison of IMAP server is the same as the one they tested it with, etc12:54
aquatixah, restarting the client refreshes the folders12:54
roopePerhaps. I'm using gmail imap.12:54
RST38hroope: Believe me that in the wild it just never works12:54
RST38hYea, GMail access is semidecent now12:54
RST38hUnless you have intermittent WiFi (then it seems to hang until restart) or try to open virtual "folders" with hundreds of items12:55
lcukRST38h, thats always the way, but full on testing and usage as primary system has to account for some confidence12:55
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lcukroope, why arent you using it with nokia ovi servers anyway - i wouldv thought gmail was a swear word :p12:57
roopeNo, it's not a swear word. :)12:57
roopemy email is on gmail, so it's pretty natural of course.12:58
lcukthe harmattan ovi cal looks really cool btw :)12:58
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* RST38h does not see what the purpose of so many "social" apps is though12:59
RST38hOr maybe I just don't have any friends :)12:59
lcukheh rst12:59
RST38hThe whole thing does start looking more and more like comlogs from Hyperion though13:00
RST38hMaybe Nokia should just license the name and adapt it for their devices, given how awkward "multimedia computer" sounds13:01
lcukRST38h, you could add infobot and povbot! :D13:02
lcukthat way you could have updates13:02
MyrttiI wouldn't do a day without delicious.com13:02
lcukhiya Myrtti \o13:03
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RST38hlcuk: that reminds me of a joke where a passerby sees little girl in the sandbox, tearing head off a teddy bear13:03
Myrttilcuk: ohai13:03
RST38hlcuk: So the guy asks "Why are you doing this? Do you hate teddy bears?"13:04
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RST38hlcuk: And the girl answers "Well, I am not that fond of humans either..."13:04
x29ai suspected a punchline referring to the sandbox13:06
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lcukheh x29a me too13:07
lcukMyrtti, which country are you in today then?13:07
Myrttilcuk: Finland13:08
Myrttilcuk: bought flights to uk though already13:08
* RST38h checks out, does not find anything useful... well, mostly13:08
aquatixRST38h: ooh, comlogs13:08
lcukexcellent is this for another short holiday or for longer this time13:09
Myrttilcuk: month or so13:09
Myrttiand no holidays :-P13:09
BogdanRWhat file(s) should I remove from OS2008 to make the initial wizzard appear?13:11
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t_s_otry control panel -> menu -> tools -> clear device or restore original settings...13:12
BogdanRI am interested in doing it from the CLI13:14
t_s_ono clue there, why from the cli btw?13:14
BogdanRI want to rebuild the image13:14
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t_s_oon that modest thing earlier, from what i can tell, modest is not really supposed to background itself, but one can get the same effect by having a connection get triggered that somehow never times out...13:16
t_s_obasically, modest is sitting there, trying to connect to the mail server, but never giving up for some odd reason...13:16
t_s_oalso, one can get the impression that it backgrounds itself by it having a bug ignoring the "do not check mail at a interval" setting...13:17
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aquatixhm, Ovi looks rather nice13:19
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aquatixso harmattan is fremantle+1? it will likely be an upgrade for rx51?13:24
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lardmanI imagine sp13:25
aquatixas there's a lot of talking on harmattan now13:25
aquatixwith its widgets, ovi stuff and such13:25
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lcukMyrtti, all work and no play isnt good13:29
lcukwhats after harmattan?13:29
Myrttilcuk: Quim was asking for names in Jaiku months ago13:29
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MyrttiI still think Ilmatar would be nice13:30
lcuki mean content lol13:30
lcukdont we have an app list already13:30
Myrttilcuk: pink unicorns, muffins and cotton candy13:30
lcukffs at least we will still have a stylus13:31
lcukotherwise unicorns would just be horses13:32
* lcuk needs more cpu power13:34
lcukand more memory13:34
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lcukand more test data13:34
aquatixcompiling stuff?13:34
lcuknahhh i did something last night and it works a treat,  i am just on the ragged edge of whats practical on device13:35
aquatixah right :)13:35
lcukit works really nicely but if i put all the bits in i want it gets a bit of lag - especially when loading the first subset13:36
lcukhmmmm thats changable just by the way i do ...13:37
lcukahhhhh :D13:37
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amrmy n810 just arrived, with a lock code13:38
amrits not the standard '12345' and i dont have the cable to flash it13:38
amradvice? :s13:38
Myrtti"return to seller"13:38
amrthe seller sent me an email saying "forgot the cable, ill forward it later today"13:39
amrjust awaiting his reply regarding the lock code13:39
StsN800try 0000?13:39
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amrand 1234, 1234513:39
amr5555, 5555513:39
amroh wait13:39
amrit was 5555513:39
aquatixnice :)13:39
amrwell, i better run13:40
amrcheers :)13:40
StsN800i would verify if it was stolen though13:40
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aquatixhm, if i close modest, it suddenly marks the mail read13:49
aquatixso it queues13:49
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RST38hit should mark mail read when you open it for reading13:51
RST38hwhose idea was it to queue this stuff?13:51
RST38h(and is there a gconf key to disable this "helpful" feature? =))13:52
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aquatixRST38h: yeah exactly14:04
aquatixi think it's a feature in the library it uses14:04
aquatixto optimise the amount of traffic used14:04
aquatixbut still...14:04
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* RST38h loudly wonders if anyone will fix this stuff14:12
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lcukis there anything built directly into maemo to upload a file to ftp14:37
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t_s_onot that comes to mind14:40
t_s_otho there are ftp clients to be found...14:40
BogdanRI asked earlier what you have to do to see the startup wizzard14:40
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BogdanRI found that out14:40
BogdanRYou have to create to files one in tmp and another one in /home/user14:41
lcukt_s_o, i have a file i want to upload back home and the only pathway i have is via ftp14:41
lcukBogdanR, i wouldnt go through all that, id just reflash14:41
lcukproblem  solved14:41
BogdanRit's a 30 seconds operation and maybe sometimes it comes in handy14:42
lcukeither that, or if i were mega rich, id just buy a new device every time i wanted to see startup screen14:42
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lcuki cant even remember what it looks like heh14:42
BogdanRI am testing Mer now and I can't figure out how to close the calendar once it is opened14:43
lcukmer isnt maemo, and the first boot wizard does other things - like creating a user account..14:44
BogdanRTotally different14:44
BogdanRMaemo was 30 minutes ago and now I am testing Mer :)14:44
BogdanRHow can I install applications to Mer?14:48
JaffaBogdanR: apt-get for random Ubuntu stuff, or the Application Manager as on Maemo14:50
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BogdanRYes, but in the application manager the catalogues are empty14:51
BogdanRCan I use catalogues from Maemo?14:51
JaffaBogdanR: There's a Mer repo which should contain some stuff, I believe. And you can try Maemo Extras - some things may not work straight off though14:52
BogdanRThe Mer repo that is installed in the Application manager seems to be empty14:53
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BogdanRI added the link to the extras repository in the application manager and nothing shows up15:01
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lcuklardman, any further with pvr15:26
lcukand is it possible to break it into the function sized blocks  and let distributed conversion occur15:26
lcukso whether its you alone  or  if people want to join in and help they can15:27
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t_s_ohrmf, how come finefm never wants to install on mer-VM?15:36
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t_s_oand on that note, i cant get the fremantle style dialog windows to behave. no amount of clicking outside their area makes them close. only hitting esc on the keyboard seems to do the trick...15:39
aquatixanyone know whether fremantle can sync with ovi?15:41
Corsac(what's ovi?)15:41
Corsac(it'd be nice if fremantle had real sync and pda capabilities :/)15:42
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fiferboylbt: Are infinite loops that delay the start up of all Qt programs indefinitely desirable?16:11
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murrayct_s_o: You should really put a small-as-possible test case in bugzilla then.16:44
murrayct_s_o: About the dialogs not closing.16:45
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rkirtiMay I know what replaces libgpsbt and libgpsmgr in the latest maemo versions ?16:46
t_s_ohow about this, open up app manager, open up catalogs dialog, try to click outside it, nothing happens...16:46
danielwilmst_s_o: have a look here
t_s_odanielwilms: wrong person ;)16:48
danielwilmshaha ups...damn copy and paste :D16:49
danielwilmsrkirti: have a look here
danielwilmsahhh :)16:49
rkirtidanielwilms, GAN800 : thanks. I couldnt find the source/bin. blob in the diablo repo, maybe I should be looking somewhere else16:51
GAN800rkirti, Diablo arguably isn't 'latest'16:51
GAN800Whether you're after Diablo or Fremantle is important.16:52
VDVsxand liblocation is not OSS atm16:52
rkirtiGAN800:  fair point. my fault there. I am building stuff for diablo (to get started with)16:52
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danielwilmsyep...liblocation is a closed component16:53
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amrhello :)16:56
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rkirtiok. this sounds really silly, but 'it' (== the binary and/or devel headers of liblocation which a full build of diablo should contain) doesnt seem to be in the main diablo or extras-devel repo...17:02
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amrn810 is cool.17:04
rkirtioops. somebody has asked the same question before. Its not in the repo.(wonder why devel-headers cant be in the repo)17:05
danielwilmsrkirti sorry, I've overread that you are developing in diablo...liblocation api is new in  fremantle17:05
rkirtidanielwilms: I see. thanks for that info.17:06
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danielwilmsrkirti no problem...and now I will go into the weekend :) bye bye17:06
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amris it just me that has problems accessing the maemo site on a tablet?17:11
amri did on my 770 and now i am on my n81017:11
amrtotally different connections & places17:11
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GAN800amr, 'problems'?17:17
amrwell, it doesn't load17:17
GAN800It doesn't connect? It shows a blank screen? It throws an error?17:19
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amrone sec and ill try again17:20
amrim fairly sure it just doesnt connect17:20
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andrewfblacksure is quiet today18:21
amrim playing with my new n810 :)18:21
andrewfblackexciting when you first get it isn't it :)18:22
amryeah, very18:22
amrinfinitely better than my broken 77018:22
andrewfblacklol yeah thats am upgrade alright18:23
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amrwell that was weird18:23
amrmy macbook just logged itself out18:23
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coldbootHow can you partition the /dev/mmcblk0p1 device on a nokia n810 device?18:37
coldbootWith cfdisk I get "fatal error; Bad primary partition 0: partition begins after end-of-disk"18:38
n6pfkHi, I get know audio alerts using chat.  Is there a fix?18:39
amrhmm, i hope this is my wireless being funky in my room18:41
amri cant seem to connect to anything besides standard http requests18:42
amron port 8018:42
jeremiahn6pfk: Did you change your settings on your device? You can turn off and on different types of notification.18:44
jeremiahamr: Hard to diagnose from here. :P18:44
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amri'll use the property uni wireless later18:45
amrsee if it's the same problem18:45
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jeremiahIt sounds to me as if someone is blocking ports18:47
jeremiahBut if you can get a shell you can do some telneting.18:47
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amrwell what im doing is sharing the wired internet in my room18:48
amrthrough my laptops wireless18:48
amrand its being flakey18:48
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jeremiahamr: Ah.18:51
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n6pfkYes I set the alerts in settings.18:56
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amrtring to install rootsh19:02
amrstuck @ 50% on preaparing19:02
amrwont advance19:02
amroh, after 5 minutes it progresses :p19:03
amri wonder what took so long19:04
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nomisamr: one possible explantation might be, that it generated the host key and that the entropy pool was exhausted.19:08
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coldbootI've got scratchbox 2, and in the armel target it's not using the optimized compiler, it's using /usr/bin/gcc which is really slow.19:13
coldbootHow would I fix that?19:13
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jeremiahcoldboot: Hmm, good question. I don't know the answer off the top of my head. Did you change your target in scratchbox?19:14
coldbootjeremiah: Yeah I'm in the armel target for sure.19:15
coldbootThis is scratchbox2 remember, it's very different from 1.19:15
jeremiahcoldboot: Which OS, diablo or fremantle19:15
coldbootjeremiah: Diablo19:15
jeremiahYeah, I am just going to confuse your more since I don't know the answer.19:15
jeremiahBut I remember reading somewhere that the optimized compiler should be the default19:16
coldbootWell yeah. ;)19:16
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jasonlifeI'm wondering what people normally do with N810..  After a few months of purchasing nokia, i'm not kind of really into it anymore.. :P19:30
jasonlifeWhat do you do with your nokia guys?19:30
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ProteousI use mine for a gps in the car19:32
coldbootjasonlife: To be honest, I think it really sucks.19:32
ProteousI listen to a ton of podcasts on it in bed19:33
coldbootIt's big, clunky, heavy, has crappy disk capacity, the interface doesn't really have any advantages over Blackberry or iPhone, it doesn't have a cell radio...19:33
ProteousI'm ircing on it right now since my computer is off19:33
coldbootThe keyboard is one of the worst I've ever seen on a mobile device, even worse than the fake iPhone keyboard.19:33
coldbootNot many people develop for the thing.19:34
ProteousI'm pretty quick on the keypad19:34
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RazumihinIt's not that bad really19:34
Proteousfaster then on an iphone anyway19:34
RazumihinAnd I use n810 for small journal notebook replacement.19:34
Proteousbut I @9$?5 92$ !$ 80/9$319:35
Razumihin(and also read ebooks)19:35
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Proteoussometimes I press the func key twice and get gibberish19:35
Proteousit's exciting19:35
RazumihinYeah. That happens.19:36
Proteousmy soon to be ariving n97 will replace my n810 as an in pocket device19:36
RazumihinMy biggest complaints for n810 is still the keyboard and cpu speed.19:36
jasonlifehmm.  can't find really good killer apps on it..19:36
RazumihinEverything i've used have too small screen.19:37
Proteousssh is my killer app19:37
Razumihinvim/emacs :)19:37
Proteousthat and tversity upnp streaming19:37
Razumihinalso firefox with vimperator ;)19:37
jasonlifewhat do you do with vim? I wonder19:37
RazumihinPretty much everything. Editing small parts of text usually.19:38
GAN800jasonlife, GPS, ebooks, podcasts, movies, remote TV streaming, web browsing, email, mobile games, mobile IRC.19:38
GAN800coldboot, you, apparently, haven't used many Blackberries or iPhones.19:38
ProteousI wish the n810 had a better dpad for games19:38
Razumihinn810 is more eeepc replacement than smartphone replacement for me.19:38
Proteoussine it's not a phone...19:39
jasonlifeIs firefox working on n810?19:39
RazumihinWith debian yes.19:39
GAN800jasonlife, default browser is Gecko.19:39
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RazumihinSomewhat slow, but enough for me ;)19:39
dev-zerohi everyone19:39
jasonlifeyes,, I'm using Gecko now..19:39
coldbootGAN800: The blackberry keyboard is the best.19:39
RazumihinThere's no better than Nokia 950019:39
coldbootGAN800: I've had a blackberry for 2 years, and I've got an iPod touch.19:39
Razumihin(i'm still ysing)19:39
GAN800coldboot, UI-wise.19:39
GAN800iPod can't multitask.19:40
dev-zerodoes somebody know whether it's possible to have a PAN connection with the N770 over bluetooth (doesn't matter what firmware, just one)?19:40
coldbootGAN800: Yeah that does suck, I really hate that about the iPhone.19:40
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coldbootGAN800: I can get so much done so quickly with the blackberry, though, as long as it's not media related.19:40
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ProteousI've done DUN on my 77019:40
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RazumihinBut nowadays maemo is still more nerdish gadget. It hasn't got flashy menus like iPod touch, but for cs guy like me it's lot better.19:41
Proteousbut my phone doesn't do pan19:41
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ProteousI don't do anything on my 770 anymore due to the WSOD19:42
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coldbootI think the platform's going to die.19:42
ProteousI think you are going to die19:42
jasonlifeevery platform's going to die19:43
Proteousmaemo.. m a e m maaaaemoooo19:43
coldbootFor the pedantic, I meant the nokia Internet tablets are going to die out very soon.19:43
Proteous(sung to the tune of lola)19:44
GAN800Razumihin, seen the Fremantle Modest screencast?19:44
coldbootOr just remain in obscurity for a while.19:44
coldbootAs they are now.19:44
RazumihinGAN800: Nope19:44
GAN800coldboot, considering Nokia is likely to replace S60 with it in their high-end phones I think you're confused.19:44
RazumihinYes tablets are going to die and they will grow phone capabilities :)19:44
RazumihinGAN800: Oh, it spoke about that.  Yes I read the interview from nokia.19:45
yergaThe aliens are coming in this same instant to kill Maemo19:45
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GAN800Check it out, there's a link to YouTube from the Ars article on the beta SDK.19:45
RazumihinAnd yes, maemo is lot better than S6019:45
coldbootGAN800: That does look more promising. But that S60 thing is huge.19:45
Razumihinfor users and codes alike.19:45
Proteousnokia stopped making the n810 and took a 90percent profit drop, I think they learned thier leason19:45
Razumihincoldboot: Nobody really WANTS to program anythin to s6019:46
Razumihinit's just pure shit.19:46
RazumihinMaemo on the other hand is quite pleasant to develop19:46
ProteousMMMMmmm pure shitt19:46
StsN800Razumihin, but could be nicer19:47
RazumihinStsN800: Yes, but it's lightyears away from symbians.19:47
RazumihinSo I don't complain :)19:47
RazumihinI love that it uses normal arm linux, lot easier to port desktop applications.19:48
RazumihinHope that they put more processing power to the next model.19:49
JaffaOMAP3430. Lots more juice19:49
amr<nomis> amr: one possible explantation might be, that it generated the host key and that the entropy pool was exhausted.19:49
amrsay what19:49
StsN800sounds correct19:50
RazumihinYes. Those new omaps look promising19:50
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RazumihinI wouldn't like to have those intel atom chis inside it.19:51
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Mikhowould somebody know how could I run a program inside scratchbox, from terminal, without using
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Mikhoif my program requires the dbus operates properly19:57
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Mikhorun-standalone seems to connect my program to some other dbus than the one running inside scratchbox19:58
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coldbootHow do you install fdisk on the nokia n810 in Diablo?20:16
coldbootIt says it needs util-linux, which says it needs sysvinit, which won't be installed.20:17
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coldbootcfdisk seemed to start working now.20:19
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* andrewfblack is bored20:44
* StsN800 too20:45
lcukandrewfblack, you seen the moblin overview thingy20:45
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RST38hmoo all20:46
lcukhi there rst20:46
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RST38hheya lcuk20:48
lcukyou got anything more planned for your ti range20:48
lcukor have you exhausted that product line20:48
RST38hwell, I am planning on getting ti83+se, ti84+, and ti84+se working as soon as I get the firmware (Stskeeps, you promised)20:49
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andrewfblacklcuk: yeah I've seen it20:49
RST38hAnd TiLink emulation for loading software20:49
lcukcool, in progress or next on the todo20:50
RST38hTiLink I have partially implemented20:50
RST38hAbsolutely out of time though, too much other work20:50
lcukandrewfblack, what do you think20:50
lcukRST38h, same with everything20:50
lcukwhats on your plate then20:51
* lcuk has about 10 gazillion things as well20:51
RST38hcontract work20:51
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lcukthats a good thing :)20:54
oDudahello hello hello...20:54
RST38h"Exposure to radio waves causes item to type at high speed any information being transmitted over said radio waves."20:54
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andrewfblackGot to figure out what to do at work now that I'm done with Minimalist theme again20:55
lcukoDuda has been kicked : excessive flood on greeting20:55
oDudawhat ?20:55
oDudaits serious ?20:55
lcukRST38h :D that sounds wicked20:55
lcukshame oDuda didnt last long20:55
RST38h"Item was approached by group of ten (10) scientists, at which point all keys began typing frantically in an unknown language."20:55
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oDudalcuk hl20:57
oDudalcuk hl=abreviated form of hello...lol20:58
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lcuklol oDuda21:01
fiferboylbt: Hi?21:01
lcukhiya fiferboy \o21:01
* lcuk isnt lbt tho21:01
fiferboyOkay, it took (a lot) longer than I thought it would, but I have added FingerScrollBars as a property that can be overridden on a widget-by-widget basis, or globally on QApplication21:02
lcukvery nice!21:02
lcukadding a global feature to anything thats got years of preexisting api expectance is tricky21:03
coldbootFor some reason I can't set partitions in fstab to mount "auto". When I try to mount them, it says mounting failed when the "auto" option is present.21:04
coldbootThis is on a nokia n810, any ideas why it can't mount auto?21:04
StsN800ext2.3,jbd, etc not loaded21:04
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coldbootStsN800: You mean during boot?21:05
oDudacan i use maemo theme to create (from) theme to mer ?21:06
StsN800no depmod active21:06
coldbootStsN800: But even after I've booted, it won't mount with the auto option present.21:06
fiferboylbt: Email with source files sent21:06
lcukoDuda, the theme is linked to the positions of the stuff around the desktop (mantlepiece?) and so not directly21:07
lcuki think anyway21:07
oDudalcuk ty - what theme can i use to start from ?21:07
lcuki dunno, ask in #mer or StsN800 here lol21:08
oDudaoh yeah !21:08
oDudaStsN800 - where can i get a Mer theme to make (change) a new one ?21:10
oDudaty boy !21:10
lcukheh Sts21:10
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lcukyou need merbot to just mirror stuff you say21:10
coldbootStsN800: Do you know how to get it to automatically mount partitions on boot?21:12
StsN800coldboot, not using maemo .. add insmod of ext2,3,jbd,mbcache in a init script and mount there21:14
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coldbootStsN800: In an rc*.d script, you mean?21:17
StsN800i dislike parts of maemo21:18
coldbootWhat about in /etc/modprobe.d?21:18
StsN800not used afaik21:18
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coldbootStsN800: I'm trying to remount /usr on the 2 gig sd card that's stuck in the device, since the stupid thing only comes with a 256mb main drive.21:20
coldbootThat's why I'm trying to do this, so I can remount /usr somewhere else.21:20
coldbootIs there a better way to do this?21:20
StsN800compressed. honestly, clone to sd instead21:20
StsN800its well proven solution21:20
coldbootClone to sd?21:20
coldbootWhat do you mean?21:21
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coldbootStsN800: This: ?21:26
* yerga is previewing the first fremantle hot discussion on -developers21:26
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RST38hStskeeps: 84+ BIOS?21:31
StsN800RST38h, not at home sorry21:32
StsN800200km away from it21:32
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RST38hah, I have almost forgotten21:33
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coldbootThis nupgrade script is awful.21:47
StsN800pengunbait console tools might be better21:48
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coldbootStsN800: Do you have a current guide for cloning to the SD card?21:52
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lcukcoldboot, wiki21:52
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coldbootYeah it doesn't work, says it can't find a device with a linux(83) partition on it.21:54
coldbootIt's also trying to access /dev/mmcblk1, which doesn't exist on my device.21:55
coldbootThe script just makes a bunch of assumptions.21:55
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coldbootThere's a bug in the nupgrade script.22:01
coldbootReally crappy search and replace employed in there.22:01
* RST38h is going to hack 5800 into installing the latest firmware22:02
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VDVsx@maemo-devel -> "You can use the keyboard to copy and paste. There are shift and arrows keys."22:10
VDVsxd-pad :P22:10
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StsN800yay dpad22:16
Maceri am watching kung fu the legend continues22:19
Macerit is like a flashback to the early 90s22:19
Macerno. i love older stuff22:19
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Macerolder stuff cracks me up. what makes it even worse is that you can tell they just started to use video encoding when it was encoded22:20
Macerit's like super low res and blocky and shit :)22:20
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RST38hAhhhaa! It found an update!22:25
coldbootHave you guys got gdb running successfully on the nokia n810?22:25
* RST38h prays to the Tentacled One to finish the update successfully22:26
mgedminI remember a wiki page explaining about gdb...22:27
mgedminyou need to rebuild the stuff without frame pointer optimizations or some such to get reliable backtraces22:27
coldbootHow about getting it to simply execute the application? It just sits there for several minutes for me without doing anything.22:27
coldbootZero pages that match "gdb" on maemo's wiki.22:28
coldbootOkay the Maemo wiki's text search is completely broken.22:29
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RST38hHmm...update succeeded but bluetooth still does not work22:34
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coldbootWhere is the script?22:34
coldbootNevermind, it's in scratchbox.22:35
coldbootHow do you get gdb running on an n810?22:36
coldbootHave any of you ever done it successfully?22:36
mgedminthere's a tools repo that has gdb22:36
mgedminI have it installed, I don't recall ever using it22:37
mgedminthe "you need to rebuild stuff with different compiler flags" stops me :)22:37
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coldbootI wonder why this all can't be simple.22:37
mgedminbecause you have to work to make things simple22:37
coldbootDeveloping for this thing is a pain in the ass.22:38
* matan is away: I'm busy22:38
mgedminUbuntu *almost* has it: everything they ship is built from sources on their build machines; the build process produces debug symbols in separate .deb packages22:38
mgedminto debug stuff, you add a repo, apt-get install the necessary -dbgsym packages, and start gdb22:38
mgedminwhere this breaks down: you have to manually figure out *which* -dbgsym packages you need (for the app and all the libraries)22:39
coldbootThat's not that bad.22:39
mgedminalso they have -updates, -proposed, and -backports repositores that often don't have -dbgsym packages22:39
coldbootThere should be a script that does it automatically.22:39
mgedminnot to mention PPAs22:39
coldbootLike apt-get build-dep22:39
coldbootThere should be apt-get debug-dep22:39
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coldbootBut for me, on this stupid nokia device, gdb just sits there when asked to run a program that runs fine without gdb.22:39
mgedminI wouldn't mind a patch to gdb saying "you're missing debug packages for libfoo, libbar, libbaz.  Do you want to install those? [y/N]"22:40
coldbootmgedmin: User friendlyness is not gdb's philosophy.22:40
coldbootBut yeah, that would be great.22:40
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mgedminbut it is Ubuntu's philosophy, that's why I said "a patch" :)22:40
mgedmin suggests looking at
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mgedminthe maemo_launcher stuff also makes debugging harder, which is a cost for optimizing app startup time22:41
mgedminI'm all for optimizing app startup time22:41
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StsN800and mem usage22:42
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parigaudihow do i install the maemo sdk on a NON-debian based linux distro (e.g. mandriva) ?22:43
parigaudiisn't there some distribution-independent generic installer available?22:44
mgedminI think there is, but I don't remember22:44
StsN800theres a guide on it afaik22:45
parigaudiwhat i found looks more like there WAS in some earlier version of the sdk, but this one not:22:46
mgedminwhich SDK version do you want to install?22:47
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RST38hparigaudi: if you want things to work, you need to use one of officially supported distros22:48
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parigaudi... being: debian and derivatives only?22:49
RST38hmore or less22:49
parigaudiwow. that kinda sux. i mean, i do understand that it's easier to not have to deal with multiple distros, but this kinda forces most of the linux developers to install a second distro just for that or not develop for maemo22:51
StsN800i'm with you on tthat one, parigaudi22:52
parigaudias a side reference: even windows mobile development (including the ms device emulator) works fine from any linux distro22:53
coldbootI'm amazed.22:54
StsN800parigaudi, part reason why i started the mer project22:56
* mgedmin is surprised to hear that only debian+derivatives are officially supported22:57
coldbootThis link:
coldbootIs broken, and the Scratchbox 2 install script depends on it.22:58
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coldbootThe maemo-sdk-installer, that is.22:58
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coldbootWhat happened to ?22:59
* matan is back (gone 00:24:48)23:02
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coldbootIs anyone using Scratchbox 2 here?23:18
mgedminI tried it a while ago23:19
mgedminwell, more specifically, I tried maemo-sdk-plus or whatever it was called23:19
mgedminit was based on scratchbox 223:19
mgedminyou couldn't run apt-get install anything inside it, which was a downside23:20
mgedminmaybe it's been fixed since then23:20
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coldbootIt has.23:21
coldbootBut my scratchbox 2 is running the native arm gcc, which is slow as hell.23:22
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Myrttiwould you like to switch your internet service providings to a providings that provides your internet service providings better than your current internet service providings?23:48
mgedminwas that a spam?23:49
lcukMyrtti, :) do you wanna see what ive been doing23:49
lcukoooh and you mariua :D23:49
Myrttilcuk: sure?23:50
lcukheh i would normally post on jaiku but ive moved out :$23:50
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crashanddieMyrtti, it's "internet service providER"23:51
Myrtticrashanddie: why are you bullying me?!23:51
crashanddienot bullying, just correcting23:51
lcukcrashanddie, complain at the vid itself and listen to it23:52
Myrtticrashanddie: FAIL!23:52
mgedminMyrtti: if you put quotation marks around quotes, people wouldn't assume it was you who said them :-)23:52
Myrttimgedmin: but that would RUIN the fun23:52
mgedmin"I can speak English just fine-ings" :-)23:52
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parigaudibtw, do you guys have any info on when the n810 successor (n900? rx-51?) will come out and how much it will cost?23:56
ShadowJKI'm guessing September and 60023:56
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mgedminlcuk: the zoom in/out effect is sweet!23:56
ShadowJKthere's a forum thread for making bets :)23:56
ShadowJKthough I haven't participated23:56
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crashanddiethere's actual bets23:57
ShadowJKi don't remember..23:57
crashanddieor just a win-a-day-of-fame kind of bet?23:57
parigaudi$600 ouch that would hurt23:57
ShadowJKcrashanddie, probably23:57
ShadowJKparigaudi, depends what you mean by "how much" too... these things drop in price continously after release..23:58
parigaudiindeed. the n810 is at a nice price now23:58
lcukmgedmin, :)23:58
crashanddiehow many years after release?23:59
parigaudithat's the prob23:59
crashanddieI don't care, if it comes out and Nokia proves again it's not confused about making it a phone, I'm game and buy it whatever the price23:59
ShadowJKand the N97 has been dropping in price even before the release heh23:59
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