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| luke-jr | how to play .ilbc? | 01:08 |
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| cyrus_mc | Trying to right a udev rule for my N810. Using the same device and same rule that i use on my desktoip, does not work on maemo. I added a file 010_local.rules in /etc/udev/rules.d. Do I need to run some command to update a master rules file or does it read from there? | 01:09 |
| LiraNuna | oh wow, maemo on the beagleboard? | 01:11 |
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| luke-jr | cyrus_mc: not sure Maemo uses udev at all | 01:12 |
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| cyrus_mc | luke-jr - pretty sure it does as the udev daemon is running | 01:13 |
| luke-jr | hum | 01:13 |
| luke-jr | I wouldn't know, don't use Maemo | 01:13 |
| zakkm | you turn off udev, maemo wont boot | 01:13 |
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| FireFox | heh, ironic lol XD | 01:24 |
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| FireFox | hi! | 01:28 |
| * FireFox is b-man | 01:28 | |
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| xnt14 | helloworld! haven't been on irc for a long time | 01:28 |
| FireFox | indeed | 01:28 |
| xnt14 | :) | 01:28 |
| FireFox | what have you been up to? :) | 01:29 |
| xnt14 | look to the left of your irc windows :P | 01:29 |
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| xnt14 | lol | 01:30 |
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| FireFox | FoxFire: lol | 01:42 |
| FireFox16 | lol | 01:42 |
| FireFox | re: FureFox16: LOL XD | 01:42 |
| FireFox | *FireFox16 | 01:42 |
| FireFox16 | LOL | 01:43 |
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| FireFox | OMGLOLROFL!!! OMGLOLROFL!!! OMGLOLROFL!!! | 01:43 |
| FireFox | 0.o | 01:43 |
| b-man16 | LFORLOLGMO! LFORLOLGMO! LFORLOLGMO! | 01:43 |
| b-man16 | xD | 01:43 |
| b-man16 | o.0 | 01:44 |
| FireFox | XD | 01:44 |
| b-man16 | xD | 01:44 |
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| b-man16 | xD | 01:44 |
| FireFox | @everyone - i'm the real b-man16 lol | 01:44 |
| FireFox | XD | 01:44 |
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| xnt14 | XD | 01:44 |
| b-man16 | @everyone - im the real xnt14 lol | 01:45 |
| b-man16 | xD | 01:45 |
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| b-man16 | Identity crisis lol | 01:45 |
| xnt14 | lcuk: XD | 01:45 |
| FireFox | who? | 01:45 |
| b-man16 | Firefox/lcuk xD | 01:45 |
| xnt14 | yuo! | 01:45 |
| xnt14 | *you | 01:45 |
| FireFox | how long does this last for | 01:45 |
| b-man16 | dunne | 01:45 |
| b-man16 | *dunno | 01:46 |
| * FireFox feels odd | 01:46 | |
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| xnt14 | as long as you want lol | 01:46 |
| b-man16 | this is fun xd | 01:46 |
| lcuk | shouldnt | 01:46 |
| b-man16 | xD | 01:46 |
| xnt14 | yeahhh!! | 01:46 |
| lcuk | cos firefox is passworded | 01:46 |
| lcuk | i thought you had 10 seconds or something | 01:46 |
| * xnt14 is b-man btw lol | 01:46 | |
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| xnt14 | b-man16 is xnt14 lol | 01:47 |
| *** is is now known as b-man16 | 01:47 | |
| * b-man16 is b-man btw lol | 01:47 | |
| b-man16 | lol | 01:47 |
| xnt14 | nooooooo!!!!! | 01:47 |
| b-man16 | lol | 01:47 |
| * lcuk gets back to code | 01:48 | |
| * xnt14 is the _REAL_ b-man XD | 01:48 | |
| * b-man16 gets back to coding his cms, but might hang here for a while xD | 01:48 | |
| xnt14 | XD | 01:48 |
| * b-man16 is the _REAL_ b-man XD | 01:48 | |
| xnt14 | aaaahhhhhhhh!!!!!!! | 01:48 |
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| b-man16 | xDDD | 01:49 |
| b-man16 | lol | 01:49 |
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| * xnt14 is the absolute [[[[[[[[[[[[REAL]]]]]]]]]]]] b-man XD | 01:50 | |
| * b-man16 is the absolute [[[[[[[[[[[[REAL]]]]]]]]]]]] b-man XD | 01:50 | |
| xnt14 | mememe!!! | 01:50 |
| b-man16 | mememe!!! | 01:50 |
| b-man16 | xD | 01:50 |
| xnt14 | stop that XD | 01:50 |
| * b-man16 is the canonical b-man | 01:50 | |
| b-man16 | canonical = true | 01:51 |
| * xnt14 is the genetic b-man | 01:51 | |
| b-man16 | xD | 01:51 |
| * b-man16 is the genetic b-man | 01:51 | |
| xnt14 | ahhhhhh!! | 01:51 |
| * b-man16 's name is Brian | 01:51 | |
| xnt14 | b-man16: what's my birthday | 01:52 |
| Bobbe | how would anyone check the answer to that | 01:52 |
| b-man16 | xnt's b-day is jan 9th 1995 | 01:52 |
| Bobbe | ? | 01:52 |
| b-man16 | he told me | 01:52 |
| b-man16 | xD | 01:52 |
| xnt14 | exactly! - October, 11 1992 | 01:52 |
| xnt14 | no! | 01:52 |
| xnt14 | 1992 | 01:52 |
| b-man16 | thats my b-day | 01:52 |
| xnt14 | nooo!!! | 01:53 |
| b-man16 | I told you xD | 01:53 |
| xnt14 | ahhhh!!! | 01:53 |
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| luke-jr | http://dashjr.org/maps/wifi/ | 01:53 |
| xnt14 | b-man16: what's my sister's age? | 01:53 |
| derf | This channel is filled with children. | 01:53 |
| b-man16 | 15 | 01:53 |
| xnt14 | 0.o | 01:53 |
| b-man16 | ops | 01:54 |
| b-man16 | kb slipped | 01:54 |
| b-man16 | 14 | 01:54 |
| xnt14 | no!!! hahahahaha!!! | 01:54 |
| xnt14 | 15 | 01:54 |
| xnt14 | as of April 31 | 01:54 |
| ds3 | wonder if software license agreements are valid for minors.. Hmmm | 01:54 |
| b-man16 | xD | 01:54 |
| ds3 | ;) | 01:54 |
| b-man16 | ds3: dunno | 01:54 |
| b-man16 | xd | 01:55 |
| derf | ds3: They could also be FBI agents. | 01:55 |
| xnt14 | b-man16: ha! | 01:55 |
| derf | If this "sister" makes an appearance, we'll know which is which. | 01:55 |
| * xnt14 is the real b-man | 01:55 | |
| * b-man16 is the real b-man | 01:55 | |
| b-man16 | ok than | 01:55 |
| b-man16 | *then | 01:55 |
| b-man16 | whats my dad's name? | 01:55 |
| ds3 | derf: nothing wrong with considering hypothetical software/ip legal issues :D | 01:57 |
| * xnt14 needs to eat dinner - will continue after XD | 01:57 | |
| b-man16 | XD | 01:57 |
| b-man16 | ok | 01:57 |
| derf | ds3: The problem is, if they cannot consent to the license, they do not have any right to use the software at _all_. | 01:57 |
| b-man16 | derf: are you saying I can't legally use linux? xD | 01:59 |
| derf | b-man16: Maybe if your mom says it's okay. | 02:01 |
| b-man16 | lol | 02:01 |
| b-man16 | so then I can't even own a nit? | 02:01 |
| b-man16 | or a computer | 02:01 |
| b-man16 | with windows/linux(eula/gpl) | 02:02 |
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| b-man16 | or mac | 02:02 |
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| b-man16 | without my parents permission | 02:03 |
| derf | I'm pretty sure most of the EULAs are unenforcable anyway. | 02:03 |
| derf | But the GPL is not. | 02:03 |
| b-man16 | so | 02:05 |
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| * b-man16 would be stuck in windowsland if the government cared about software license agreements and minors :P | 02:06 | |
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| b-man16 | aand then | 02:07 |
| derf | I'm not sure exactly how license agreements work with minors. | 02:07 |
| b-man16 | they come out with gpl v4 XD | 02:07 |
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| derf | I know for contracts, minors are allowed to make them, but are also allowed to void them at any time. | 02:07 |
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| b-man16 | FBI Agents LOL | 02:09 |
| b-man16 | <log> | 02:09 |
| b-man16 | <derf> ds3: They could also be FBI agents. | 02:09 |
| b-man16 | <xnt14> b-man16: ha! | 02:09 |
| b-man16 | <derf> If this "sister" makes an appearance, we'll know which is which. | 02:09 |
| b-man16 | </log | 02:09 |
| b-man16 | *> | 02:09 |
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| kpel | night | 02:12 |
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| luke-jr | derf: wrong | 02:17 |
| luke-jr | ds3: minors cannot contract | 02:18 |
| luke-jr | BUT | 02:18 |
| luke-jr | Copyright is about copying, not using ;) | 02:18 |
| luke-jr | so minor simply cannot copy | 02:18 |
| derf | luke-jr: That means they can't legally obtain the software in the first place. | 02:19 |
| luke-jr | derf: why? | 02:19 |
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| luke-jr | derf: in case you're unaware, copying is done by the distributor, not the receiver | 02:21 |
| xnt14 | b-man16: i'm back | 02:21 |
| luke-jr | that's why you can never lose a lawsuit if you only download | 02:21 |
| b-man16 | ok | 02:21 |
| * xnt14 is the real b-man XD | 02:22 | |
| * b-man16 is the reald b-man XD | 02:23 | |
| b-man16 | *real | 02:23 |
| xnt14 | > /whois ;) | 02:23 |
| xnt14 | lol | 02:23 |
| b-man16 | lol | 02:23 |
| b-man16 | ok brian, gtfo my nick | 02:24 |
| xnt14 | ok lol | 02:24 |
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| xnt[waiting] | ok | 02:24 |
| luke-jr | kids | 02:24 |
| b-man16 | ok | 02:24 |
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| xnt14 | luke-jr: xD | 02:24 |
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| luke-jr | Maemo Recorder sucks (aka, doesn't actually record anything) | 02:30 |
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| ds3 | but EULAs govern usage not copying | 02:33 |
| timeless_mbp | copyright generally covers copying :) | 02:36 |
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| * GAN800 wonders how to fix the 5800 email client. | 02:36 | |
| GAN800 | timeless_mbp, I have some time to poke at MXR tonight. | 02:37 |
| GAN800 | I'll probably try to get Bugzilla out of the way first, though. | 02:38 |
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| timeless_mbp | k | 02:38 |
| timeless_mbp | i should sleep. i'm back in HEL so it's 2:30a | 02:38 |
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| rm_you | is there documentation somewhere for installing scratchbox2/maemo? | 02:41 |
| rm_you | i only see stuff about sb apophis (scratchbox 1?) | 02:41 |
| rm_you | Stskeeps: where is the documentation for whatever build system Mer uses? | 02:44 |
| rm_you | need to set it up | 02:44 |
| GAN800 | wiki.maem.org | 02:46 |
| rm_you | the wiki is showing stuff about the VM | 02:46 |
| GAN800 | Mer/Build or somesuch | 02:46 |
| rm_you | but johnx was talking about some build environment that SuSe or something used | 02:46 |
| rm_you | Open Build Environment? | 02:46 |
| rm_you | i forgot the exact name, unfortunately | 02:46 |
| GAN800 | openSUSE Build Service. Mer docs for it are on the wiki. | 02:47 |
| rm_you | bah | 02:47 |
| * rm_you looks more | 02:47 | |
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| GAN800 | rm_you, http://wiki.maemo.org/Mer/Build | 02:49 |
| rm_you | yeah i found it, was looking at the dev page, didnt notice the link at first to the main article :P | 02:49 |
| GAN800 | rm_you, competence woo? | 02:50 |
| rm_you | indeed >_< | 02:50 |
| rm_you | ok well that failed | 02:51 |
| rm_you | i guess i'll wait till johnx gets home from work | 02:52 |
| rm_you | and apparently i'm not allowed to use scratchbox since i have 64bit now >_> | 02:52 |
| rm_you | i guess i'll set up a 32bit chroot | 02:52 |
| GAN800 | usuk | 02:53 |
| GAN800 | That's why you can't use sb. :p | 02:54 |
| rm_you | well sb2 INSTALLS | 02:55 |
| rm_you | i guess maemo just doesn't support it? >_> | 02:55 |
| rm_you | i mean, if it is IN THE REPOS for 64bit ubuntu, it probably does work... | 02:55 |
| GAN800 | Not at the moment. | 02:55 |
| rm_you | >_> | 02:55 |
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| Macer | well | 03:02 |
| chx | hi. | 03:02 |
| chx | I am trying to understand the GPS situation. The N810 I ordered will come with Wayfinder. It does not route. Nevermind, I do not have a car anyways. But, is there a POI database? Is it possible to use Google Maps with the GPS? The smartphone version of Google Maps does that. | 03:03 |
| chx | Googling does not help too much | 03:03 |
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| chx | most information is from 2007 which sounds a bit dated | 03:05 |
| rm_you | chx: MaemoMapper | 03:05 |
| rm_you | chx: uses googlemaps and google POIs | 03:06 |
| rm_you | chx: also, i thought wayfinder did routes | 03:06 |
| chx | rm_you: then whats the outrageous 3yr licence you need to buy for wayfinder? | 03:06 |
| chx | rm_you: also what i need is the public transit routing in google maps | 03:06 |
| chx | rm_you: works on my cellphone -- but i would prefer a bigger screen | 03:06 |
| GAN800 | Maemo Mapper | 03:07 |
| rm_you | chx: MaemoMapper does google routing, not sure if it does the public transit ones tho | 03:07 |
| chx | http://www.google.com/mobile/default/maps.html | 03:07 |
| chx | says Java | 03:07 |
| rm_you | the three year license is for the ability to use wayfinder at all... and it includes routing capabilities as it is vector based, not image based like maemomapper | 03:08 |
| chx | is there a Java VM? | 03:08 |
| rm_you | but maemo mapper is free and uses google maps and POI and routing | 03:08 |
| GAN800 | wayfinder license is for routing | 03:08 |
| lcuk | most days you travel on your normal route, and you can pick up monthly licenses as required for very little money | 03:09 |
| lcuk | you only need the routing when you are going somewhere you dont know :) | 03:09 |
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| chx | uh huh | 03:10 |
| chx | I live in Vancouver | 03:10 |
| lcuk | the built in maps application is good :) | 03:10 |
| chx | and I do not have a car | 03:10 |
| chx | is that enough or should I detail? | 03:10 |
| lcuk | :) i was trying to let you know its good and just because you have no car does not mean you dont occasionally need routing | 03:11 |
| chx | I need public transit routing all the time | 03:11 |
| chx | thats the problem | 03:11 |
| chx | this place is vast | 03:11 |
| lcuk | i had the same problem in berlin :) | 03:11 |
| lcuk | i didnt know which train to catch to get me where | 03:12 |
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| lcuk | i ended up downloading a jpg map of the metro and using that | 03:12 |
| chx | yeah but Vancouver is about four times as large as Berlin area-wise. | 03:12 |
| lcuk | that wouldnt have been much of a problem :) | 03:13 |
| rm_you | lolyeah i remember you tiled it in liqbase :P | 03:13 |
| lcuk | yeah it was 10*10 zoomable | 03:13 |
| lcuk | rm_you, ive got a map showing manchester nowadays :) | 03:14 |
| chx | really the best would be if Google Maps mobile would simply run inside Jalimo | 03:14 |
| chx | or, there is a Palm OS binary | 03:14 |
| chx | I hear there is a Palm OS VM? | 03:14 |
| chx | ooooooh | 03:15 |
| chx | http://www.access-company.com/products/gvm/ | 03:15 |
| chx | Garnet VM supports some of the most popular applications in the mobile market including, Google Maps™, | 03:15 |
| * chx thinks he was not alone trying to run Google Maps on the N810 if that's the first app the company mentions. | 03:16 | |
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| chx | yay | 03:16 |
| chx | another problem down :) | 03:16 |
| GAN800 | Silly, silly Android | 03:17 |
| Bobbe | didn't get that GAN800 | 03:17 |
| GAN800 | Bobbe, general observation | 03:18 |
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| GAN800 | Same with Tegra | 03:18 |
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| chx | Anyone here runs Garnet and has a BT receiver? Does it work now? Again, msot information found by Google is very dated | 03:20 |
| chx | *BT GPS receiver | 03:20 |
| rm_you | havent tried | 03:20 |
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| z4chh | Is there anything in /proc for battery info? | 04:06 |
| kfx | /sys/power iirc | 04:07 |
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| kfx | no wait that's suspend stuff | 04:08 |
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| GAN8001 | ShadowJK, yes, no effect. | 04:55 |
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| z4chh | wow | 05:12 |
| z4chh | http://www.buy.com/retail/Product.asp?sku=206228943 | 05:12 |
| z4chh | get your $199 n810 :) | 05:12 |
| tank-man | wow is when it is $100 :) | 05:12 |
| z4chh | im wow'ed because i paid $220 for mine 2 weeks ago | 05:13 |
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| chx | z4chh: I bought it there last week | 05:39 |
| chx | z4chh: today it shipped | 05:39 |
| chx | z4chh: takes time to get here. | 05:39 |
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| labaudio | someone is familary whit startup application? | 05:44 |
| labaudio | like maemosplash | 05:44 |
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| Bobbe | guys, I'm having some trouble adding the default repo | 05:57 |
| Bobbe | (using diablo 47-3) | 05:57 |
| Bobbe | Adding manually, the url is http://repository.maemo.org | 05:57 |
| Bobbe | distro is to be left blank | 05:57 |
| Bobbe | free / non-free | 05:57 |
| Bobbe | right? | 05:58 |
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| GAN800 | 'default'? | 06:27 |
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| Bobbe_ | tried that. didn't work (unless my wifi's broken) | 06:32 |
| Bobbe_ | but i don't think it is | 06:32 |
| Bobbe_ | just a quick question. Shouldn't there be a http://repository.maemo.org/dists/diablo directory? | 06:32 |
| Bobbe_ | sorry | 06:33 |
| GAN800 | What is the 'default' repo? | 06:33 |
| GAN800 | SDK or device? | 06:33 |
| * Bobbe_ lost | 06:34 | |
| Bobbe_ | the default repo in App Manager? | 06:34 |
| Bobbe_ | there was none | 06:34 |
| Bobbe_ | I was just flashed my device. The repos that come with it are all tableteer | 06:34 |
| Bobbe_ | o_O | 06:34 |
| Bobbe_ | Is that supposed to be so? | 06:34 |
| Bobbe_ | I *have just flashed my device | 06:36 |
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| Bobbe | I just saw this topic on itt about a guy who couldn't install e2fsprogs | 06:38 |
| Bobbe | I had the same problem, but I tried a different (probably q&d) solution. I added the default repo manually but put chinook as distribution | 06:39 |
| Bobbe | then it showed | 06:41 |
| Bobbe | I went through the repo and noticed that there is a http://repository.maemo.org/dists/chinook/free and http://repository.maemo.org/dists/chinook/non-free | 06:41 |
| Bobbe | but diablo only had http://repository.maemo.org/dists/diablo/tools and http://repository.maemo.org/dists/diablo/sdk | 06:41 |
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| GAN800 | Bobbe, you only need Extras | 06:46 |
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| Bobbe | e2fsprogs is not in extras | 06:50 |
| Bobbe | ah, new posts on the thread | 06:50 |
| Bobbe | it is in extras-devel, hasn't been promoted to extras, apparently | 06:50 |
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| Macer | hello | 07:06 |
| Macer | got kicked from a channel because i was pro fascist :) | 07:07 |
| Macer | haha | 07:07 |
| Bobbe | isn't that just fascist of them? | 07:07 |
| luke-jr | Macer: not #anime | 07:07 |
| luke-jr | #anime is almost anarchy | 07:07 |
| luke-jr | XD | 07:07 |
| luke-jr | 27/47 people are ops | 07:09 |
| Macer | lol | 07:09 |
| Macer | it was so efnet :) | 07:09 |
| Macer | ironically enough it was in an offtopic room | 07:09 |
| Macer | i guess when we started to argue about how fascism is better or worse.. he said to show him a fascist country that works | 07:09 |
| Macer | and i told him saudi arabia haha | 07:09 |
| Macer | then he said that there are 80,000 homeless children in saudi arabia | 07:10 |
| Macer | and i was like... they are not saudi then.. probably iraqi trash :) | 07:10 |
| Bobbe | why is stskeeps at the topic of #anime? | 07:10 |
| Bobbe | lmao | 07:10 |
| luke-jr | he is? LOL | 07:10 |
| luke-jr | nice | 07:10 |
| Macer | damn i should get some food | 07:11 |
| luke-jr | [22:53:40] ⁂ The channel topic is "4-4-2-3 | I am the operator with my orgone accumulator. | Change your mind. | Stskeeps works as a student programmer at a university | ToAruShiroiNeko ga faggotto nano desu!". | 07:11 |
| Macer | haha | 07:11 |
| luke-jr | do you suppose someone should tell someone that p54spi is broken? | 07:12 |
| Macer | i think i'm going to hit up mcdonalds | 07:12 |
| luke-jr | no wai | 07:13 |
| Macer | or burger king. or taco bell.. i'm pretty hungry now | 07:13 |
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| Bobbe | brb | 07:30 |
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| Macer | yawn | 08:28 |
| Bobbe | yawn (2) | 08:32 |
| Bobbe | Macer, u got google maps to run on your NIT? | 08:32 |
| Stskeeps | http://www.mobilecrunch.com/2009/05/18/exclusive-leaked-screenshot-of-nokias-maemo-harmattan/ | 08:32 |
| Stskeeps | neat! | 08:32 |
| Bobbe | über neat! | 08:33 |
| Bobbe | multiple desktops maybe? | 08:33 |
| tank-man | "Can I do this on my iPhone?" | 08:34 |
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| Bobbe | vertically scrollable page | 08:34 |
| Bobbe | I really think multiple desktops would be cooler than scrolling my desktop | 08:34 |
| Bobbe | but still | 08:35 |
| Bobbe | kick-ass | 08:36 |
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| Macer | anybody around? | 08:50 |
| thux | morning all mighty maemo people | 08:52 |
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| Macer | Not enough random bytes available. Please do some other work to give | 09:00 |
| Macer | the OS a chance to collect more entropy! (Need 288 more bytes) | 09:00 |
| Macer | wtf | 09:00 |
| Macer | :) i'm trying to figure out this tor + gpg + freenode shit | 09:00 |
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| Corsac | apt-get install randomsound | 09:02 |
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| Macer | randomsound huh? | 09:07 |
| Macer | thanks :) that seemed to have done the trick | 09:08 |
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| Corsac | it's a tool which use the sound card to add entropy to the pool | 09:08 |
| Corsac | cat /proc/sys/kernel/random/entropy_avail will tell you | 09:09 |
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| luke-jr | cool, so I just need to generate some noise and play it to crack your system | 09:12 |
| Corsac | not really :) | 09:12 |
| thux | can one do that cat /proc/kcore > /dev/audio in tablets? | 09:14 |
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| luke-jr | … | 09:15 |
| luke-jr | why the heck would you want to do that? | 09:15 |
| Stskeeps | to hear satans voice | 09:16 |
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| Corsac | the you need to use tac | 09:17 |
| Corsac | then* | 09:17 |
| luke-jr | tac? | 09:17 |
| Corsac | tac - concatenate and print files in reverse | 09:18 |
| Corsac | the opposite of cat | 09:18 |
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| luke-jr | yes but | 09:19 |
| luke-jr | wtf does it have to do with /proc/kcore? | 09:19 |
| chx | Macer: unless you have a very serious reason (you live in China, Iran or similar) do not use Tor with Freenode. | 09:20 |
| luke-jr | chx: do those countries monitor FreeNode? | 09:20 |
| Stskeeps | doesn't the US count as an oppresive country? ;) | 09:20 |
| Corsac | luke-jr: don't you know that to hear satan voice you need to play led zeppelin LP in reverse? | 09:20 |
| luke-jr | Stskeeps: yeah, but I don't think they actively watch FreeNode | 09:20 |
| Stskeeps | luke-jr: heck, they block blip.tv in china.. | 09:20 |
| luke-jr | Corsac: tac works with text/plain | 09:21 |
| chx | luke-jr: those countries, I am afraid monitor anything if they deem necessary. | 09:21 |
| Stskeeps | and don't underestimate IRC monitoring | 09:21 |
| Corsac | luke-jr: that's sad :( | 09:21 |
| luke-jr | Stskeeps: well, don't overestimate Tor | 09:21 |
| luke-jr | Tor is a joke | 09:21 |
| chx | Stskeeps: the US on an opressive scale would be somewhere in the low ranges of the middle | 09:21 |
| luke-jr | chx: low ranges of the high, more like | 09:21 |
| chx | luke-jr: dont underestimate Tor, its strong enough | 09:21 |
| chx | luke-jr: You have not lived in an oppressive country. I *did*. | 09:22 |
| luke-jr | chx: I do. | 09:22 |
| chx | where? | 09:22 |
| luke-jr | Omaha, Nebraska | 09:22 |
| chx | You have no idea what are you talking of | 09:22 |
| luke-jr | no? | 09:22 |
| chx | I grew up in Hungary when it was a socialist state | 09:22 |
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| luke-jr | you managed to get out | 09:23 |
| luke-jr | how long did that take? | 09:23 |
| chx | I immigrated in 2006 | 09:23 |
| chx | 17 years after the socialist regime ended | 09:23 |
| luke-jr | chx: how long did the government actively prevent you from leaving? | 09:23 |
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| chx | Me? did not, i was a kid. My uncle however, literally fled the country in the clothes he was wearing | 09:24 |
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| luke-jr | at least he was capable of doing it | 09:24 |
| luke-jr | I doubt I would get far if I tried. | 09:24 |
| chx | you must be high | 09:24 |
| luke-jr | lol | 09:24 |
| Stskeeps | he's a gentoo user, of course he is | 09:24 |
| Stskeeps | :P | 09:24 |
| chx | you can freely travel wherever you want whenever you want | 09:24 |
| * Stskeeps runs | 09:24 | |
| luke-jr | chx: nope | 09:24 |
| chx | nope????? | 09:25 |
| chx | tell me more. | 09:25 |
| chx | you have thousands and thousands of miles of unprotected borders | 09:25 |
| chx | in case you needed to escape | 09:25 |
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| luke-jr | chx: ah, but they don't need to protect the borders when they can just hold my family hostage | 09:25 |
| chx | but most everyone can board a plane | 09:25 |
| luke-jr | there are means of forcing people to stay other than physical force | 09:26 |
| chx | what stops you from putting the family in a 4WD (you can buy whatever car you want not just the one that the state throws at you after years of waiting) and drive to the border, be it Mexican or Canadian | 09:26 |
| luke-jr | chx: police, search crews, etc | 09:26 |
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| luke-jr | and sheer distance to either border | 09:27 |
| chx | in an opressive state if you do that, you risk being blown up by mines or simply shot | 09:27 |
| chx | you truly have no idea what you are talking of | 09:27 |
| chx | you have an amendent which disallows the police to search you out of whim | 09:28 |
| chx | and you can buy a firearm | 09:28 |
| luke-jr | chx: a useless amendment that nobody protects from violation | 09:28 |
| chx | not so useless | 09:28 |
| luke-jr | I can buy a firearm if someone says I can | 09:28 |
| luke-jr | just asking will trigger red alarms | 09:28 |
| chx | you are interesting | 09:29 |
| chx | I met a number of USA citizens | 09:29 |
| chx | but nor of your kind | 09:29 |
| chx | I read of it, of course | 09:29 |
| luke-jr | chx: how many Nebraskans? | 09:29 |
| luke-jr | under active persecution? | 09:29 |
| chx | but never thought you actually exist | 09:29 |
| chx | I long ago stopped trying to explain how living a socialist state was | 09:29 |
| luke-jr | chx: shall I make a race for the border, and you can watch the manhunt in the news? | 09:30 |
| chx | luke-jr: noone would care. | 09:30 |
| chx | you guys simply can not imagine what it was | 09:30 |
| luke-jr | chx: bet you'd hear about it | 09:30 |
| Stskeeps | chx: some people ought to watch things like der leben der andres (the life of others) :P | 09:30 |
| Stskeeps | and so on | 09:30 |
| luke-jr | Amber Alert or such bs | 09:31 |
| chx | I met the USA police on one occassion | 09:31 |
| chx | a drunken kid caused a minor accident with the car I was traveling in | 09:32 |
| chx | and I got scared to death 'cos my passport was not with me | 09:32 |
| chx | And I thought I will get arrested and thrown out of hte country | 09:32 |
| chx | The police did not care about me and that was when my USA friends explained that the police can not ask for documents from me as I was not involved | 09:33 |
| luke-jr | http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/AMBER_Alert | 09:33 |
| chx | this is vastly different -- even today, the police would id everyone on spot and if you do not have id, you are in trouble | 09:33 |
| chx | luke-jr: how can someone raise an Amber alert when the child is with the parents? | 09:34 |
| luke-jr | chx: just claim the parents are the abducters | 09:34 |
| luke-jr | or omit that info altogether | 09:35 |
| luke-jr | according to the wikipedia article, 50% of Amber Alerts are abused that way | 09:36 |
| thux | but there is no kcore under /proc | 09:36 |
| luke-jr | "Only 70 of the 233 AMBER Alerts issued in 2004 (30%) were actually children taken by strangers or who were unlawfully traveling with adults other than their legal guardians." | 09:36 |
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| thux | in my ubuntu x86 box i can do sudo cat /proc/kcore > /dev/audio is kcore under diffrent name in maemo? | 09:38 |
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| luke-jr | chx: http://www.senatornancyschaefer.com/newsletters_updates.php?filter=43 | 09:41 |
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| ssvb | RST38x: Friday, 2009-05-15 "RST38h> Current Xv only exposes YUV buffers" - that's not quite right, XV on internet tablets has support for rgb565 format... | 09:42 |
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| ssvb | I just need to make a decent demo which could show its benefits :) | 09:43 |
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| LiraNuna | anyone knows what the N87 will run? | 10:51 |
| Stskeeps | windows ce! | 10:52 |
| Stskeeps | :P | 10:52 |
| LiraNuna | eew :< | 10:52 |
| Jaffa | Morning, all | 10:52 |
| LiraNuna | I'd love it if it would run maemo | 10:52 |
| LiraNuna | I personally hate the iphone, and N97 looks hot | 10:53 |
| Stskeeps | i wouldn't mind a touch phone like the one with screenshots leaked | 10:53 |
| * LiraNuna wonders at what maemo5 is aimed for | 10:54 | |
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| Jaffa | LiraNuna: That's easy - RX-51 and RX-71 | 10:54 |
| LiraNuna | haha | 10:54 |
| LiraNuna | Jaffa, yeah, but since they got "3G" support, won't that make them also phones? | 10:55 |
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| LiraNuna | a phone running omap3 with ogles2.0 is just... just... | 10:55 |
| Jaffa | LiraNuna: Is a laptop with a SIM card slot a phone? | 10:55 |
| LiraNuna | I meant, won't that make them marketable as | 10:56 |
| Jaffa | My guess is that they'll primarily still be MID-type devices - but you'll be able to make a vopice call with a headset (and, maybe, in an emergency sideways talking) | 10:56 |
| LiraNuna | I'd love to know what the N97 runs; if it won't be open, it just won't be fun | 10:56 |
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| LiraNuna | I mean, if they put maemo on it - it means flash support | 11:01 |
| inz | LiraNuna, Symbian (S60 5th Edition) | 11:01 |
| LiraNuna | noooo | 11:01 |
| LiraNuna | :< | 11:01 |
| aquatix | LiraNuna: see gsmarena.com for example | 11:01 |
| aquatix | there's a lot known about it | 11:01 |
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| Macer | http://www.thelawthatneverwas.com/new/7th_circuit.mp3 | 11:31 |
| Macer | that is awesome | 11:31 |
| RST38x | Heh, supposed Harmattan screenshot leaked | 11:32 |
| Stskeeps | looks decent though | 11:33 |
| RST38x | Looks like a mockup though | 11:33 |
| RST38x | But a logical mockup, most elements can be found in previous Nokia UIs | 11:34 |
| Jaffa | URL? | 11:34 |
| RST38x | http://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?p=288533#post288533 | 11:34 |
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| cosmo | RST38x: no picture on that page | 11:37 |
| RST38x | cosmo: Go to the first page of the thread find the link there and click it. | 11:38 |
| cosmo | ok thanks.. http://gizmodo.com/5260260/nokias-leaked-future-tablet-screenshot-large-smartphone | 11:39 |
| cosmo | looks like it finally has PIM functions | 11:40 |
| bergie | interesting | 11:40 |
| Myrtti | OY! the map isn't in helsinki! not authentic then ;-) | 11:41 |
| Myrtti | *chuckles* | 11:41 |
| bergie | finally somebody puts today's meetings on map | 11:41 |
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| * bergie would've appreaciated that back when doing sales calls | 11:41 | |
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| Myrtti | bergie: I usually scribble clouds and unicorns on my memo pads, wouldn't that suffice as a map ;-) | 11:42 |
| bergie | Myrtti: yes, a "Here be dragons" sort of map :-) | 11:42 |
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| aquatix | but Harmattan is the successor of Fremantle, so won't be in the n900? | 11:49 |
| aquatix | or at least not from the start | 11:49 |
| RST38x | yep | 11:49 |
| inz | Myrtti, the Map _is_ in helsinki | 11:52 |
| inz | Myrtti, the area on the right is Eteläranta | 11:52 |
| * RST38x considers PIM the most useless application =) | 11:52 | |
| Myrtti | inz: oh, is it? I don't have my glasses on :-( | 11:54 |
| inz | Myrtti, and the "Client meeting" would be at the corner of Bulevardi and Fredrikinkatu | 11:54 |
| Myrtti | can't see jack shit. | 11:54 |
| Myrtti | :-( | 11:54 |
| inz | Sure, the names aren't readable | 11:55 |
| inz | But recognising [ 1 ] in red gave a hint that it would be somewhere in Helsinki-Turku, and Turku is very unlikely (also it is unlikely to have a harbour in east in turku) | 11:55 |
| Myrtti | I need to get new glasses :-/ | 11:57 |
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| * aquatix hands Myrtti pink glasses | 12:07 | |
| Macer | :) | 12:07 |
| Macer | trying to look at al asad on google maps to see if i can find the PX i used to go to | 12:07 |
| Macer | heh | 12:07 |
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| RST38x | Macer: Better look at Tokyo while you still can! | 12:11 |
| Macer | ? | 12:11 |
| Macer | why do you say that? | 12:11 |
| Macer | are they going to force google maps to not spy on them? :) | 12:12 |
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| RST38x | Macer: japan has force google to redo all streetview images of japan | 12:12 |
| Macer | i can't find the stadium in al asad | 12:12 |
| Macer | really? why? | 12:12 |
| RST38x | Macer: with the camera 16" lower so that it does not look over fences | 12:12 |
| Macer | lol | 12:12 |
| RST38x | So, that is your last chance to peer into Japanese backyards =) | 12:13 |
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| Macer | are they dirty or something? | 12:13 |
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| Macer | in the karate kid .. mr miagi had an awesome back yard | 12:13 |
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| Macer | wooden decks and nice gardens | 12:13 |
| RST38x | Macer: they look pretty regular so I do not know what the big fuss is about | 12:13 |
| Macer | they don't want some rich japanese businessman getting caught having sex with minors on google maps | 12:14 |
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| Macer | hm. i just can't find this damn stadium. bbl. going to keep looking | 12:14 |
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| RST38x | Macer: maybe it got bombed since the last time you have been there? =) | 12:15 |
| Macer | possibly | 12:15 |
| Macer | when i was there we would get hit with short range rockets all the time | 12:15 |
| RST38x | Shit, our IT department is killing my computer | 12:15 |
| Macer | but for the most part al asad was a really safe place :) | 12:15 |
| Macer | killing your computer? | 12:15 |
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| RST38x | Quietly tried to sneak a service pack in yesterday. As I went home, that got interrupted. | 12:16 |
| RST38x | Today, the service pack is rolling itself back for the last 40 minutes | 12:16 |
| Myrtti | stupid hangnails | 12:16 |
| aquatix | RST38x: oh, happy joy joy | 12:16 |
| RST38x | Rebooted twice, that seems to have killed it good | 12:16 |
| aquatix | RST38x: so you're billing that time on the IT department now? | 12:17 |
| RST38x | aquatix: No, although I am going to complain to the management (again) | 12:17 |
| RST38x | These guys are supposed to SERVICE computers not take them from employees for hours at a time | 12:18 |
| Stskeeps | RST38x: remember, xp startup doesn't qualify as work time! | 12:18 |
| Stskeeps | :P | 12:18 |
| glass | everything counts as work time when you're on a monthly salary | 12:19 |
| glass | ask wally | 12:19 |
| Stskeeps | yeah, true | 12:19 |
| Stskeeps | i work by that :P | 12:19 |
| RST38x | Sts: Does methodical slaughter of every single IT geek in the visibility range qualify as work time? | 12:20 |
| Macer | that's awesome | 12:20 |
| Macer | i can see the place i was sleeping in on the big base in rhamadi | 12:20 |
| Stskeeps | RST38x: that's a good question, i guess there's case law for it | 12:20 |
| Stskeeps | with employees going postal | 12:20 |
| Macer | er. ramadi | 12:20 |
| Macer | wow that was a big city | 12:20 |
| Macer | it would actually be a pretty nice city if it wasn't all blown up and stuff | 12:21 |
| Macer | some of the buildings we had to stay in were beautiful... well made cement buildings with nice marble floors and stairs | 12:21 |
| RST38x | Sts: I guess it should be made a rule that when someone goes postal on the IT department, he gets some slack in court | 12:21 |
| Stskeeps | RST38x: i think the judge can sympatise :P | 12:21 |
| Macer | haha | 12:21 |
| Macer | RST38x: you're supposed to get in good with the IT guys | 12:22 |
| Macer | so they give you admin on your computer :) | 12:22 |
| Macer | and leave you alone haha | 12:22 |
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| sanjay6976 | hi | 12:23 |
| aquatix | Macer: :) | 12:23 |
| Macer | one of the network admins in iraq hooked me up all the time because i showed him how to xforward his firewall app with ssh | 12:23 |
| Macer | ran a line to my tent and everything :) gave me my own govt laptop (you can only use govt laptops on the govt network) | 12:23 |
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| sanjay6976 | while building my application in ARMEL gives error "mmap: No such device or address" any suggestion? | 12:24 |
| Macer | believe it or not.. one of the biggest things to trade there.. was chocolate :) i got a huge box of chocolate that made it there because we had a few colder weeks so it didn't melt | 12:24 |
| Macer | that shit was literally worth its weight in gold | 12:24 |
| Stskeeps | sanjay6976: ubuntu? | 12:24 |
| aquatix | Macer: why does that sound like 1984? | 12:25 |
| sanjay6976 | no fedora | 12:25 |
| Macer | aquatix: lol | 12:25 |
| Macer | well.. because i worked for big brother ;) | 12:25 |
| aquatix | ghehehe | 12:25 |
| Macer | that's why it sounds like 1984 | 12:25 |
| Macer | i'm a big fan of "the system" | 12:25 |
| sanjay6976 | Stskeeps:No on Fedora | 12:25 |
| aquatix | Macer: you like rewriting history? :) | 12:27 |
| Macer | not really. but if i lived in the star wars world. i would be with the empire :) | 12:27 |
| aquatix | `back in 2008, Nokia was the biggest in NIT' | 12:27 |
| aquatix | ghehe | 12:27 |
| aquatix | the empire wasn't all that bad | 12:28 |
| Macer | no it wasn't. i mean .. if the damn people weren't fighting them all the time i think things would have worked out | 12:28 |
| aquatix | :) | 12:28 |
| sanjay6976 | while building my application in ARMEL gives error "mmap: No such device or address"on fedora any suggestion? | 12:28 |
| aquatix | it was just some father-son complex ripping apart a perfectly fine universe | 12:28 |
| Macer | history has shown that the greatest advanced cultures had a dictatorship with a leader who though of their country or empire before their own power | 12:29 |
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| Macer | not too many people realize how young the united states is | 12:29 |
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| Macer | we are like the basketball superstar who came straight out of high school | 12:30 |
| aquatix | you are aware that you sound a tad cocky? ;) | 12:30 |
| Macer | i didn't mean it like that | 12:30 |
| aquatix | hehe | 12:30 |
| Macer | i just meant that the US went very fast in its development | 12:30 |
| sanjay6976 | any suggestion | 12:31 |
| aquatix | myeah, it built on the mix of established cultures | 12:31 |
| Macer | we are like a supermassive star | 12:31 |
| aquatix | and it helped that it consumed quite some researchers from europe after WW2 | 12:31 |
| Macer | sure we are big and give off a lot of heat.. but in the end we die sooner than the smaller ones | 12:31 |
| aquatix | heh, and that | 12:32 |
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| Macer | it is amazing how much fuel we use :) | 12:33 |
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| sanjay6976 | hile building my application in ARMEL gives error "mmap: No such device or address"any help | 12:33 |
| Macer | i was reading up on how much dead life we burn up in fuel.. millions of years of dying animals and we are just eating it up | 12:33 |
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| Macer | in the end canada will rule the world :) | 12:34 |
| aquatix | sanjay6976: not sure whether repeating it helps that much | 12:34 |
| aquatix | Macer: canada? why canada? | 12:35 |
| aquatix | i think it'll go back to the old world sooner | 12:35 |
| Macer | 30 million people with as much land as the US who has 300million? | 12:35 |
| aquatix | i hope for canada that they'll stick with being relatively peacefull | 12:35 |
| Macer | aquatix: of course they will | 12:36 |
| Macer | they are letting everybody else beat each other up and tire themselves out | 12:36 |
| Macer | in the background with nobody really noticing them | 12:36 |
| sanjay6976 | aquatix :any idea how to solve the problem | 12:36 |
| aquatix | sanjay6976: what device does it try to access? | 12:36 |
| aquatix | Macer: i like underground :) | 12:37 |
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| sanjay6976 | no idea actually i am tryin to build the binaries for putting it on N810 for that i am giving a qmake | 12:38 |
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| Macer | i wonder how internal canada's economy is | 12:38 |
| Macer | i mean i can't see them really importing much | 12:38 |
| aquatix | check cia worldfacts :) | 12:38 |
| aquatix | that site has some interesting stats | 12:38 |
| Macer | cia worldfacts? | 12:39 |
| aquatix | https://www.cia.gov/library/publications/the-world-factbook/ | 12:40 |
| aquatix | damn handy | 12:40 |
| Macer | yeah. i'm looking at it now | 12:40 |
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| Macer | canada just simply asked britan to let them go ? | 12:41 |
| sanjay6976 | aquatix:no idea actually i am tryin to build the binaries for putting it on N810 for that i am giving a qmake | 12:42 |
| aquatix | lunch, bbl | 12:43 |
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| Jaffa | http://www31.wolframalpha.com/input/?i=exports+and+imports+of+canada | 12:53 |
| Jaffa | Canada exports: $497.8bn, imports: $468.7bn | 12:53 |
| RST38x | Most exports are natural resources afaik | 12:55 |
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| lardman | morning | 13:02 |
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| Stskeeps | morning lardman, timeless_mbp | 13:12 |
| Macer | wow. the world factbook has an illicit drug section too huh? the cia is awesome | 13:12 |
| lardman | hey Stskeeps | 13:12 |
| lcuk | mornin guys \o | 13:15 |
| lardman | hi lcuk | 13:15 |
| lcuk | quick question, can i run a system() command asynchronously | 13:15 |
| * lcuk isnt working on it now but might need it | 13:15 | |
| timeless_mbp | hello | 13:15 |
| * timeless_mbp is back in finland :( | 13:15 | |
| lcuk | thats not a bad thing | 13:16 |
| timeless_mbp | HEL even | 13:16 |
| * lardman curses M$ Equation version 3.0 | 13:16 | |
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| timeless_mbp | isn't 3.0 ancient? | 13:17 |
| Stskeeps | lcuk: yes, but requires forking and waitpiD :P | 13:17 |
| Stskeeps | (if i recall correctly) | 13:17 |
| lcuk | ahhh cool, ok Stskeeps thanks ill look later | 13:17 |
| lcuk | its just to do a splash screen on first boot so glitches happen there and not in the main app :) | 13:17 |
| * lcuk never did get to the bottom of why some machines exhibit it and others dont | 13:18 | |
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| lardman | timeless_mbp: I'm using office 2004 I think | 13:19 |
| * lcuk now just has to work out whether im on first run since bootup or not ;) | 13:19 | |
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| lardman | 2003 even | 13:20 |
| lcuk | lardman, :D like he said, ancient :P | 13:20 |
| lardman | so yes :) | 13:20 |
| lcuk | u havent got the ribbon | 13:20 |
| * lcuk hates the fuffin ribbon | 13:20 | |
| lardman | nope | 13:20 |
| lardman | though I'm going to buy a new PC soon, so I guess I'll get the ribbon, and the vista | 13:20 |
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| RST38x | DO NOT get Vista | 13:24 |
| lcuk | ewww lardman if you get the vista you will be shunned lol | 13:24 |
| Jaffa | lardman: have mer as your primary OS ;-) | 13:24 |
| RST38x | (Do not get the ribbon either although it is less evil than Vista) | 13:24 |
| lardman | as soon as Mer can edit ppt presentations then no worries :) | 13:25 |
| lardman | I hasten to add I don't want vista either | 13:25 |
| RST38x | Vista==Pain | 13:25 |
| lcuk | it can edit them now, no guarantees they will work afterwards tho | 13:25 |
| lardman | hmm, not well though in my experience | 13:26 |
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| lardman | not Mer's fault mind you | 13:26 |
| lcuk | vista works, for limited quantities of work | 13:27 |
| RST38x | lcuk: Quantities insufficient to make you scratch your eyes out | 13:27 |
| timeless_mbp | the ribbon is nice | 13:27 |
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| lardman | I need a new headphone socket and a >= nVidia 9 series graphics card | 13:28 |
| RST38x | which is pretty small as far as vista goes | 13:28 |
| timeless_mbp | especially in w7 for things like Notepad, Wordpad and Paint | 13:28 |
| lardman | not too bothered about the OS, as long as ppt will work, and MATLAB | 13:28 |
| timeless_mbp | did you buy matlab or steal it? :) | 13:28 |
| lardman | Work, bought | 13:28 |
| lardman | site license in fact | 13:28 |
| timeless_mbp | sorry, i'm so used to talking to students/ex-students | 13:29 |
| lcuk | lardman, playing with cuda? | 13:29 |
| lardman | I plan to | 13:29 |
| lardman | timeless_mbp: np | 13:29 |
| lcuk | excellent! | 13:30 |
| lardman | though I won't be doing anything till the summer when I'm back | 13:30 |
| lcuk | it offers some wicked speedups, and the "interactive simulation relaxation environments" you can make with it are fantastic (doom plays really quickly! :p) | 13:30 |
| lardman | must also try to retain Admin rights to the new PC, no to Active Directory! | 13:31 |
| lardman | lcuk: do you have a linky for the Doom CUDA mod? | 13:31 |
| lardman | or was that a pisstake? | 13:31 |
| thux | why not this command work? sudo chroot /debian/media/mmc2 /bin/bash | 13:31 |
| Stskeeps | is your mmc2 ext3? :P | 13:31 |
| Stskeeps | also, that question is a can of worms | 13:32 |
| Stskeeps | :P | 13:32 |
| lcuk | pisstake cos i cant remember the name of todays game of the week | 13:32 |
| lardman | am past my days of playing Doom3 or Far Cry with the other chaps | 13:32 |
| thux | i installed easy-deb-chroot and downloaded image | 13:32 |
| lardman | all a bit too busy these days | 13:32 |
| lcuk | im surprised you cannot run a scientific simulation of yourself inside these super cards | 13:33 |
| lcuk | if the announcements are anything to go by you should be able to | 13:33 |
| thux | how i then change root? | 13:33 |
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| derf | I was not impressed by CUDA. | 13:35 |
| derf | Though the newer versions of it look somewhat better. | 13:36 |
| lardman | what was wrong with it? | 13:36 |
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| derf | It just seemed like a hacked-up rush job. | 13:37 |
| lardman | fair enough | 13:37 |
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| derf | Stupid stuff like, anything declared to reside in constant memory is allocated for the lifetime of the application (so you can't have different modules use constant memory for different purposes). | 13:38 |
| derf | (note "constant" memory just means it can't be changed by programs running on the card, the controlling application is free to change it) | 13:38 |
| derf | Or the fact that any variable declared to reside in shared memory gets put at the same address. | 13:39 |
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| derf | NVIDIA actually recommends you declare a big buffer and compute the addresses yourself. | 13:39 |
| lardman | not a big issue for me as I'm doing simulation code | 13:40 |
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| derf | Me, I thought I'd just make a struct. But I mean, seriously, this is what we have compilers _for_. | 13:40 |
| derf | lardman: Right. It looks like it was designed to make one-off demos. | 13:40 |
| glass | isn't everything | 13:40 |
| derf | Some of us have to make actual production systems. | 13:41 |
| glass | derf: plenty of actual production systems done in that fashion | 13:41 |
| derf | glass: When given tools like CUDA to work with, I'm not surprised. | 13:41 |
| lardman | yeah, that's why I have to write my own simulation code :) | 13:41 |
| derf | I would also complain about the lack of 3D textures, but that's been added to later versions. | 13:42 |
| derf | But there's still no read-modify-write for textures (in-place). | 13:42 |
| derf | Even though it's technically possible (I can do it from OpenGL fragment programs with no issue). | 13:43 |
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| crashanddie | Is there an extended battery for the n800 ? | 13:57 |
| Stskeeps | wasn't there that mugen thing? | 13:57 |
| crashanddie | mugen? | 13:58 |
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| Stskeeps | search mugen battery n80 | 13:59 |
| Stskeeps | 0 | 13:59 |
| lcuk | the mugen was for the n810, not sure if there was one for n800 tho | 13:59 |
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| crashanddie | there is a mugen for the n800, but no battery cover | 14:01 |
| lcuk | make one out of a cereal box and some sticky back plastic | 14:03 |
| lcuk | bbl | 14:03 |
| mgedmin | you killed my firefox! | 14:04 |
| * mgedmin searched for "mugen battery n80", clicked on the first link, and firefox started eating 100% cpu non-responsively | 14:04 | |
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| lardman | that Wolfram search is actually quite useful for factual number type things | 14:19 |
| lcuk | i wouldnt expect anything else from wolfram | 14:20 |
| lardman | other than a wierd book? | 14:20 |
| lcuk | heh | 14:21 |
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| glass | lardman: it's a great tool for 3rd grader looking for answers on his homework | 14:22 |
| glass | other than that | 14:22 |
| glass | i'm not so sure | 14:22 |
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| lardman | well I wouldn't really know where to look for populations and the like | 14:23 |
| lardman | e.g. Bath has just under 100k people | 14:23 |
| glass | dunno. wikipedia? isn't that where w gets it anyways | 14:23 |
| lardman | no idea | 14:23 |
| jeremiah_ | It shows the sources at the bottom of the search | 14:23 |
| jeremiah_ | So yeah, a lot of data comes from Wikipedia | 14:23 |
| jeremiah_ | But they integrate other sources as well. | 14:24 |
| aspect | probably a lot of gapminder.org's sources too | 14:24 |
| glass | they should replace "knoweledge" with "information" imho thouh | 14:24 |
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| lardman | http://www.citypopulation.de/ | 14:25 |
| lardman | ah-ha | 14:25 |
| lcuk | doesnt cia factbook show world cities and stuff | 14:25 |
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| lcuk | errr cia spybook | 14:25 |
| jeremiah_ | CIA factbook is really good, lots of info | 14:25 |
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| jeremiah_ | Hardly a spy book though if it is on the web | 14:26 |
| lcuk | the real thing comes neatly bound in human flesh and delivered by black helicopters | 14:26 |
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| lardman | and you need to use a cipher to reveal the real message | 14:26 |
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| jeremiah_ | As if. You are confusing them with some competent security force. | 14:27 |
| lcuk | yeah double rot13 is a bitch to decode | 14:27 |
| lcuk | o_O just had a tech savvy friend say "never heard of twitter" | 14:28 |
| lardman | hmm, I never really use it | 14:29 |
| lcuk | but you know of it | 14:29 |
| lardman | I never knew what it was though, didn't pay it any attention | 14:29 |
| liri | did anyone try that ContacInfo tool? | 14:30 |
| lcuk | fair enough | 14:30 |
| lardman | lcuk: I don't think people are that bothered with what I'm thinking or doing, unless I have something to say | 14:30 |
| liri | there's also a sync tool which as I understand from the description successfully syncs Calendar (using the Dates application) and Contacts (the internal contacts of the maemo software) very nicely against Evolution | 14:30 |
| lardman | lcuk: and even then they probably don't care! :) | 14:30 |
| lcuk | heh | 14:31 |
| lcuk | liri, sounds very nice | 14:31 |
| liri | it does | 14:31 |
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| * lcuk would like to make his bobble heads come to life | 14:31 | |
| liri | I haven't had a chance to try it, I will hopefuly do it tomorrow | 14:31 |
| lcuk | and to sync my calendar - just with my other machines tho :) | 14:31 |
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| liri | wel | 14:32 |
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| liri | is there a good way to sync evolution with a nokia 6280 phone? | 14:32 |
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| lardman | syncing with phone would be good, but I just can't find the motivation to do that sort of stuff | 14:32 |
| lcuk | dunno | 14:32 |
| liri | then I would have Gmail <-> Evolution <-> Nokia/N810 and that would be NICE | 14:33 |
| lcuk | my problem is that none of the services knnow or understand sketches :) | 14:33 |
| * lcuk will just have to build one that does | 14:33 | |
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| Jaffa | lcuk: Plugin to OpenSync and/or Conduit? | 14:36 |
| * Jaffa hasn't really used either but the theories look good | 14:36 | |
| lcuk | are they zeroconf? | 14:36 |
| RST38x | moo all | 14:36 |
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| lcuk | ie could my grandma set it up | 14:36 |
| Corsac | not really | 14:37 |
| Corsac | well, maybe conduit, but not opensync | 14:37 |
| Corsac | syncevolution might become interesting once it doesn't depends on funambol stuff | 14:37 |
| lardman | for all we know lcuk's grandma may have written punchcard programmes by hand | 14:37 |
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| lcuk | heh | 14:38 |
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| lcuk | knowing my mindset, she prolly reinvented punchcards to be silky smooth to go through the machine faster ;) | 14:38 |
| Corsac | I don't really know devices with real pda functionalities and good linux support | 14:38 |
| Corsac | something with multiple calendars supports, external calendars, sync, contacts, ldap contacts etc. | 14:39 |
| lardman | lcuk: are you saying you shave your legs? | 14:39 |
| * RST38x typed "c2h5oh" into Wolfram Alpha and got bullshit back | 14:39 | |
| liri | hey, that looks like gibbrish to me too :) | 14:40 |
| lardman | ah, you need to use the TeX for subscript perhaps... ;) | 14:40 |
| lcuk | armpits only i bleach my legs | 14:40 |
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| sanjay6976 | hi | 14:41 |
| liri | guys, where can I get flite installed? I see it is only available in the extras chinook repo | 14:41 |
| RST38x | Can I enter subscripts into Alpha? Will it understand? :) | 14:41 |
| RST38x | Hehehe, try typing Z80 into Alpha | 14:42 |
| sanjay6976 | I have a maemo application its running on my x86 maemo emulator i want to put this application on my device N810 what i have to do | 14:42 |
| sanjay6976 | ? | 14:43 |
| lardman | RST38x: stick Ethanol in instead, then try putting their interpretation of the formula (ch3ch2oh) back in | 14:43 |
| lardman | coth(3) square Gunter chains x 0 | 14:43 |
| lardman | hmm | 14:43 |
| lardman | I wonder where Gunter comes from in that input...? | 14:44 |
| derf | "Ch" is short for "Gunter chain". | 14:45 |
| lcuk | sanjay6976, you could try building the .deb for it and installing it on device itself.. | 14:45 |
| derf | At least as a measurement unit. | 14:45 |
| lcuk | alternatively you can copy the binary (built for armel) and hope it finds all its deps | 14:45 |
| lcuk | if you are tweaking a preinstalled app this works nicely | 14:45 |
| lardman | never knew it was a Gunter chain | 14:45 |
| sanjay6976 | lcuk:thanks will try it | 14:46 |
| lcuk | np :) | 14:46 |
| lcuk | hello danielwilms \o | 14:46 |
| lardman | hmm, http://www46.wolframalpha.com/input/?i=gunter+chain, 1 chain is the length of a cricket pitch (22 yards), sounds a bit small | 14:46 |
| lcuk | puttin 42 into wolfram gives me gibberish | 14:47 |
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| lcuk | i wanted the question | 14:47 |
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| lardman | ?=42 | 14:47 |
| derf | lcuk: You need the next generation knowledge engine: http://wolframsbeta.com/ | 14:48 |
| RST38x | lardman: his site is stupid. | 14:48 |
| RST38x | s/his/this | 14:48 |
| lcuk | derf!!! | 14:48 |
| RST38x | try typing "mp3" | 14:48 |
| RST38x | Oh shit....I thought Z80 and MP3 were funny... | 14:49 |
| lcuk | search box is limited to 200 characters | 14:50 |
| RST38x | But try "racoon"! :))) | 14:50 |
| lcuk | i wanted to enter pi to 1000000 dp | 14:50 |
| lardman | RST38x: random! | 14:51 |
| lardman | hmm, try this: pi to 10 decimal places, replace 10 with any number, n, note you always get n-1 decimal places | 14:51 |
| lardman | I think we've killed it: "Computation timed out." | 14:52 |
| lcuk | if you ask it for "pie to 10 decimal places" it thinks its a measurement | 14:53 |
| lardman | what about "pie for 10 places"? | 14:53 |
| derf | Whee! "Column[{Null,{}[[2,1]],ItemSize->inf]" | 14:53 |
| derf | lcuk: N[Pi,1000000] | 14:54 |
| * lcuk wanted pie tho | 14:54 | |
| lcuk | im hungry :( | 14:54 |
| aquatix | hmmm, pie | 14:54 |
| derf | Oh. Too bad. | 14:54 |
| derf | It's a computational knowledge engine. Not a computational food engine. | 14:54 |
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| lcuk | actually, it tells me the nutricional qualities of pie | 14:55 |
| lcuk | if you enter it alone | 14:55 |
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| lcuk | but a pie to 10dp s a distance | 14:55 |
| lardman | Tea. Earl Grey. Hot | 14:56 |
| lcuk | ^nutritional | 14:56 |
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| lcuk | oh shit! it tells nutricion facts about bacon | 14:57 |
| lcuk | NEVER visit it | 14:57 |
| lardman | cool :) http://www46.wolframalpha.com/input/?i=bacon&a=*C.bacon-_*City-&a=*EAC.ExpandedFood.PreparedCuredPorkBacon-_**a.PreparedCuredPorkBacon-.dflt- | 14:57 |
| lcuk | you assumed it was a city! | 14:58 |
| lcuk | a whole island tho | 14:58 |
| lardman | interesting, specific heat capacity for bacon is 1.51 j/gC | 14:58 |
| lcuk | is that before or after ingestion? | 14:58 |
| lardman | dunno, didn't say whether it was wet with water or acid | 14:59 |
| lcuk | good point | 14:59 |
| lcuk | file a bug? | 14:59 |
| lardman | must be pretty dry though, Cp for water is much higher | 14:59 |
| roope | http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=e0DbcUUO-hI I didn't know it to be so complicated. | 15:00 |
| RST38x | lardman: random was nice =) | 15:00 |
| wazd | Hola Maemo | 15:01 |
| RST38x | lardman: care to find out what happens if we input "exit"? :) | 15:01 |
| RST38x | heya wazd | 15:01 |
| RST38x | wazd: Surely, you haven't drawn that Harmattan screenshot yourself? ;) | 15:01 |
| lardman | roope: you've made me hungry! | 15:01 |
| wazd | RST38x: nope, I'd imagine something more outstanding :) But still I think it's fake | 15:02 |
| RST38x | wazd: it looks like a mockup | 15:03 |
| Stskeeps | i wouldn't mind that kind of interface though | 15:03 |
| Stskeeps | seems intuitive | 15:03 |
| wazd | it has 630x909 resolution. What the hell is that?) | 15:04 |
| glass | hah | 15:04 |
| Stskeeps | wazd: time warping rx-2000 | 15:04 |
| Stskeeps | er, rx-3000 | 15:04 |
| Stskeeps | alters space -and- time to give you a bigger screen | 15:05 |
| Stskeeps | :P | 15:05 |
| Corsac | let's do the timewarp again | 15:05 |
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| RST38x | wazd: vertical 909 is ok, it is scrolled | 15:05 |
| RST38x | wazd: horizontal 630 does pose a few questions =) | 15:05 |
| lardman | due in October this year perhaps | 15:05 |
| Stskeeps | Corsac: i've yet to introduce my gf to that movie .. i probably should | 15:05 |
| RST38x | Sts: Time Bandits? =) | 15:06 |
| wazd | Also I see some pretty basic UI mistakes so I don't think Nokia would do such stuff | 15:06 |
| Stskeeps | RST38x: nah, rocky horror picture show | 15:06 |
| RST38x | oh | 15:06 |
| Corsac | Stskeeps: do you have a local theater with a cast? | 15:06 |
| Stskeeps | Corsac: they played it 2-3 years ago, before i started dating my gf | 15:07 |
| Corsac | arg | 15:07 |
| wazd | Corsac: he has rx-3000 that bends space and time :D | 15:09 |
| Stskeeps | i wish, then i could go back and slap myself for not taking enough time to study this math | 15:10 |
| derf | No time like the present. | 15:16 |
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| lardman | ~slap Stskeeps | 15:17 |
| * infobot slaps Stskeeps, keep your grubby fingers to yourself! | 15:17 | |
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| lardman | bacon time! | 15:18 |
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| * lcuk looks at his watch | 15:18 | |
| lcuk | its 20 past the bacon | 15:19 |
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| aquatix | is it? | 15:19 |
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| lcuk | yeah aquatix | 15:20 |
| lcuk | didnt you get the memo :P | 15:20 |
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| lcuk | i wonder what spec machine we are gonna need to run harmattan | 15:20 |
| * aquatix never eats bacon at 2PM | 15:20 | |
| lcuk | your clock is wrong then | 15:20 |
| Dudacao | hello all ! | 15:20 |
| lcuk | its 120 lol | 15:20 |
| aquatix | lcuk: no, your clock is wrong | 15:21 |
| aquatix | mine is right! | 15:21 |
| aquatix | hey Dudacao | 15:21 |
| Dudacao | hey aquatix | 15:21 |
| lcuk | i am closer to mt than you :P | 15:22 |
| Dudacao | aquatix maemo remains in development ? | 15:22 |
| lcuk | gmt | 15:22 |
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| aquatix | lcuk: butbutbut! | 15:28 |
| aquatix | lcuk: enjoy your bacon :) | 15:28 |
| aquatix | Dudacao: well, there's maemo5 around the corner | 15:29 |
| aquatix | and Mer is getting quite some attention | 15:29 |
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| cosmo | any hints on nice apps to spend time while flying? | 15:37 |
| RST38x | Crimson Fields | 15:37 |
| RST38x | just 600kB, lots of time waste | 15:38 |
| Jaffa | cosmo: Media Player and all eps of Doctor Who from 2005 onwards (my plan for the flight to San Francisco in a couple of weeks) | 15:38 |
| Jaffa | RST38x: Game, I assume? | 15:38 |
| RST38x | yes | 15:39 |
| cosmo | i'll install crimson fields. i've seen almost all doctor who's and my gf wants to watch them also so i can't watch the rest :-) | 15:39 |
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| Jaffa | cosmo: I watched them all (at least once ;-)) on first broadcast, so Mrs. Jaffa & Jaffa Jr. have already seen them | 15:40 |
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| * aquatix has the dvd boxes | 15:43 | |
| aquatix | we're waiting for the new episodes now :) | 15:43 |
| cosmo | i think i'll take some muppet show episodes if i get bored of crimson fields | 15:44 |
| Dudacao | aquatix ty by your attention... and which do we choose... maemo or mer ? | 15:45 |
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| RST38x | Jaffa: Starting with the B&W one? | 15:45 |
| aquatix | Dudacao: that really depends on what you want | 15:48 |
| aquatix | Mer is a work in progress | 15:48 |
| aquatix | a kind of Maemo (OS2008) by the community | 15:48 |
| aquatix | Maemo5 is for the to-be-released RX-51 tablet | 15:49 |
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| Dudacao | N800 will be able to use Maemo5 ? | 15:49 |
| aquatix | not likely | 15:49 |
| aquatix | that's why Mer is being created | 15:49 |
| Dudacao | N800 hardware is not enough to Maemo5 ? | 15:50 |
| lcuk | but the diablo system you can get on your n800 is nice and fully featured and works currently and has lots of apps for it :) | 15:50 |
| aquatix | maemo5 will use a lot of 3D stuff | 15:51 |
| GAN8001 | Dudacao, no, not really. | 15:51 |
| Jaffa | RST38x: Some of them are lost :-( I think I've seen most from Jon Pertwee onwards, but in really messed up o rder | 15:52 |
| aquatix | but OS2008 Diablo works just fine on the n810 and n800 | 15:52 |
| cosmo | great.. even maemo.org frontpage doesn't work on maemo browser :-/ | 15:52 |
| * aquatix loves Tear 0.3.1 | 15:52 | |
| aquatix | it's damn snappy | 15:52 |
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| Dudacao | yes ! im just using it (OS2008) very nice job... stable... many features/software.. | 15:53 |
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| RST38x | Jaffa: order does not matter there :) | 15:53 |
| Jaffa | :) | 15:53 |
| GeneralAntilles | cosmo, it works fine. | 15:53 |
| cosmo | GeneralAntilles: try searching | 15:54 |
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| cosmo | at least in my just flashed device the search box is too small and the text isn't shown | 15:54 |
| Dudacao | ty GAN8001 ... | 15:54 |
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| Dudacao | thank you all by attention ! just leaving... | 16:03 |
| Dudacao | thank you aquatix... | 16:03 |
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| thux | what command that easy-deb chroot icon run to get in chroot environment or is it script? | 16:08 |
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| GAN8001 | dneary, ping? | 16:18 |
| dneary | GAN8001: pong | 16:19 |
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| GAN8001 | dneary, can you take a look at the ITS to wiki migration thread on Talk? | 16:20 |
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| dneary | GAN800: Sure | 16:20 |
| dneary | I had a look | 16:20 |
| dneary | The current situation looks like "the old wiki is off-line - can we have it back please?" | 16:21 |
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| GAN800 | Er, Krisse's Internet Tablet School thread. | 16:21 |
| * RST38x does not get something: to the best of his knowledge, there is just a handful of ITT threads that are worth archiving in Wiki. Can't these be done by hand? | 16:24 | |
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| RST38x | Basically, select posts containing useful stuff, make a summary, place it at Wiki. Is there anything wrong with that? | 16:24 |
| GAN800 | RST38x, honestly, that's what I say. | 16:25 |
| GAN800 | But now we're talking about 3 different things. | 16:26 |
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| RST38x | heh, everybody going nuts about possibility of unremovable ads widgets in Harmattan | 16:28 |
| RST38x | THe funny thing is, the original presentation author probably mentioned them as an afterthought | 16:28 |
| tank-man | unremovable = you don't have control of what is displayed | 16:28 |
| RST38x | unremovable = you cannot remove them | 16:28 |
| tank-man | it all comes down to control and freedom with OSS most of the time | 16:29 |
| RST38x | "BTW, if the big cheeses ask us, we can do THIS too" | 16:29 |
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| RST38x | tank: NITs are commercial devices from Nokia, running commercial software suites based on the free OS | 16:29 |
| RST38x | tank: So this "freedom of OSS" stuff does not apply | 16:30 |
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| tank-man | im saying users of OSS usually want/like freedom and control | 16:30 |
| RST38x | And, if you are stupid enough to buy your gadgets subsidized, why do you complain about lack of freedom? | 16:30 |
| RST38x | s/buy/rent | 16:30 |
| GAN800 | It's mostly irrelevant rumor at this point. | 16:30 |
| RST38x | Basically, yes | 16:30 |
| Stskeeps | also, i don't believe it would be easy for nokia to hardwire ads :) | 16:31 |
| RST38x | Sts: Easy to do it for average consumers | 16:31 |
| Stskeeps | sure, but when even john doe knows what a jailbreak is.. | 16:31 |
| RST38x | Sts: Probably less easy to do it to us, but I know a few ways | 16:31 |
| RST38x | John Doe won't | 16:32 |
| tank-man | Its all about balance, im not on the extreme edge like Richard Stallman | 16:32 |
| RST38x | Sts: In fact, it is irrelevant whether these ads can be removed or not | 16:32 |
| Stskeeps | cos most will keep them by standard? ;) | 16:33 |
| RST38x | Sts: What matters is that the Phone Company management making Decisions believes that the ads are unremovable | 16:33 |
| RST38x | Sts: Same with DRM | 16:33 |
| RST38x | Same with antivirus packages BTW ;) | 16:33 |
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| lopz | hola | 16:35 |
| aquatix | antivirus what? :) | 16:36 |
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| timeless_mbp | tank-man: btw, you're wrong | 16:37 |
| timeless_mbp | most users of software want software that works | 16:37 |
| andrewfblack | Hello | 16:37 |
| timeless_mbp | that's all they want | 16:37 |
| thux | can there be low level virus that will run on every intel no matter what os on it? | 16:37 |
| timeless_mbp | when you use a web browser | 16:37 |
| tank-man | i said users of opensource software | 16:38 |
| Stskeeps | thux: boot sector virus? ;p | 16:38 |
| timeless_mbp | do you want to be able to randomly tweak the bits that are sent over the wire | 16:38 |
| andrewfblack | RST38x: you around? | 16:38 |
| timeless_mbp | or do you want it to render youtube? | 16:38 |
| RST38x | andrew: yes | 16:38 |
| RST38x | thux: there are two ways to do that | 16:39 |
| RST38x | thux: One is via BIOS update another via microcode update in the CPU | 16:39 |
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| RST38x | thux: The microcode update differs from model to model | 16:39 |
| RST38x | thux: So it won't "run" on all Intel CPUs | 16:40 |
| RST38x | thux: The BIOS update is a bit more reliable but I suspect you won't be able to cover all existing BIOSes | 16:40 |
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| RST38x | Either way, it is kind of difficult to do invisibly to the user | 16:40 |
| thux | RST38x: thanks i have wondered that many times, cause many think that os choiche protects virus | 16:41 |
| thux | but assembler x86 virus is then possible | 16:42 |
| RST38x | What is "assembler x86 virus" | 16:43 |
| RST38x | ? | 16:43 |
| Razumihin | Hey, does anyone use emacs on n810? :D | 16:43 |
| thux | RST38x: like hardware virus | 16:44 |
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| Razumihin | I'm using it with debian chroot and I cannot figure out how to set meta key to chr butto. | 16:44 |
| Razumihin | (emacs could solve bad calendar issues...) | 16:45 |
| lizardo | jeremiah_: may I ask why did you upload gstremaer 0.10.13 to fremantle extras-devel repository, if gstreamer 0.10.22 (newer) is already on the SDK ? | 16:45 |
| RST38x | thux:these words do not make any sense to me | 16:45 |
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| RST38x | Any computer virus compiled into an x86 binary is an "assembler x86 virus" | 16:45 |
| thux | RST38x: which doesn't need os support don't need windows i mean | 16:46 |
| RST38x | "Hardware virus" I do not understand | 16:46 |
| RST38x | thux: Ah, yes, that is possible of course. | 16:46 |
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| Mikho | would anyone know of a libwebkit-1.0-1 library for i386? | 16:47 |
| Mikho | the armel lib is there in the repository alright, but not i386 | 16:47 |
| thux | yeah i have bad english and i don't know much about computers :p | 16:47 |
| Stskeeps | Mikho: Tear/Bundyo's? | 16:48 |
| Stskeeps | we have one, but not for maemo :P | 16:48 |
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| Mikho | tear/bundyo? | 16:50 |
| fiferboy | lbt: Hey David | 16:50 |
| Stskeeps | Mikho: well bundyo has made some patches matching with HIM and such so | 16:51 |
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| lardman | hmm, no bacon :( | 17:06 |
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| lcuk | location based bacon delivery service! | 17:08 |
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| lardman | will email Holly to request some bacon for supper | 17:08 |
| lcuk | you could use the same logistics as pizza delivery | 17:08 |
| derf | You could just order bacon on a pizza. | 17:09 |
| lcuk | lardman, i think that will just get you in trouble | 17:09 |
| lardman | would you like extra toppings with your bacon? What are the choices? Bacon. Yes please. | 17:09 |
| lcuk | but then you get all the extra bread stuff | 17:09 |
| derf | No one says you have to eat it. | 17:09 |
| lardman | yeah, it just dilutes | 17:10 |
| lcuk | hmm i might try that then | 17:10 |
| lcuk | some pizza places do burgers | 17:10 |
| lcuk | a double bacon bacon burger with an extra portion of bacon on the side | 17:11 |
| Mikho | found only armel packages... | 17:11 |
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| macmaN6789 | anyone running a full linux distro on their tablet here? | 17:13 |
| lcuk | define "full" maemo itself is a complete distro isnt it | 17:14 |
| macmaN6789 | gentoo or ubuntu | 17:14 |
| macmaN6789 | something with XOrg | 17:14 |
| macmaN6789 | I'd like to know if Virtual keyword would work for Display | 17:16 |
| macmaN6789 | before I go out buying a big sd card and start installing it | 17:16 |
| macmaN6789 | nobody seems to have tried it, or at least I have found nobody saying anything | 17:16 |
| lcuk | pass talk.maemo.org might be better | 17:17 |
| lcuk | or see if anyone in #mer has any experience | 17:17 |
| macmaN6789 | yep posted a few questions on talk | 17:17 |
| macmaN6789 | ok #mer sounds like an idea | 17:17 |
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| lardman | oo, does #mer exist now on irc? | 17:18 |
| macmaN6789 | it doz | 17:19 |
| lardman | hmm, I don't seem able to join it | 17:19 |
| lardman | or is that my rubbish client playing up? | 17:19 |
| macmaN6789 | I just joined it | 17:19 |
| macmaN6789 | with pidgin | 17:19 |
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| lardman | hmm, bbiam | 17:21 |
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| lardman | right, worked that time | 17:22 |
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| lcuk | lardman, it worked the time before as well | 17:26 |
| lcuk | but your ui didnt show it | 17:26 |
| lcuk | you joined and quit eventually | 17:26 |
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| lardman | hmm, ok, crap client | 17:28 |
| lardman | thanks though | 17:28 |
| lardman | computer's been up too long, and it is a Windows machine | 17:28 |
| lardman | 1239/2 hours | 17:29 |
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| lardman | yow, nearly a month, no wonder | 17:29 |
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| lcuk | lardman, did you miss shrove errr patch tuesday? | 17:32 |
| lardman | dunno, were there some recent patches? | 17:32 |
| murrayc | Is anyone running Diablo in scratchbox? Can you tell me if the on-screen keyboard works in scratchbox? | 17:32 |
| lardman | I've not had the computer trying to switch itself off I don't think | 17:33 |
| lcuk | it normally does | 17:33 |
| lcuk | murrayc, not in scratchbox | 17:33 |
| * lcuk keeps as far away from that as practical | 17:34 | |
| murrayc | lcuk: Thanks. How annoying. | 17:34 |
| lcuk | i didnt think much was included in scratchbox tho | 17:35 |
| lcuk | as in a bare bones system to test stuff, and its taken that you have a hw keyboard on your big pc.. | 17:35 |
| lcuk | murrayc, actual confirmation, in the known limitations of the sdk-relnotes-4.0 | 17:37 |
| lcuk | - Virtual keyboard is not provided. | 17:37 |
| lcuk | http://tablets-dev.nokia.com/4.0/maemo-sdk-relnotes_4.0.txt | 17:37 |
| X-Fade | lcuk: diablo is 4.1 | 17:37 |
| lcuk | thats a good point and in checking its not listed as a llimitation in 4.1 | 17:38 |
| lcuk | o_O | 17:38 |
| * lcuk must have a really outdated scratchbox then lol | 17:38 | |
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| murrayc | lcuk: Thanks. I guess it's still a limitation but was not mentioned. | 17:43 |
| lcuk | :( | 17:44 |
| murrayc | Ha. That document's funny. "Features: ... virtual keyboard", "Known Limitations: Virtual keyboard is not provided." | 17:44 |
| lcuk | its a virtual virtual keyboard | 17:44 |
| woglinde | hi | 17:44 |
| lcuk | you have to bake it yourself and hold it up infront of the screen | 17:44 |
| murrayc | Pure virtual. | 17:44 |
| lcuk | should call it a quantum keyboard then | 17:45 |
| lcuk | hi woglinde | 17:45 |
| lcuk | you dont know whether its there or not until you call the interface method | 17:45 |
| RST38x | virtual void Keyboard(void) = 0; ? | 17:45 |
| murrayc | I'd still like to hear from anyone that's using diablo (4.1). Maybe it's really there now. | 17:46 |
| murrayc | <andre> Re on-screen keyboard: the middle mouse button in scratchbox simulated the finger press feature, and this worked in <Fremantle iirc | 17:46 |
| andre_k | people are free to prove me wrong though :) | 17:47 |
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| murrayc | I'm trying to figure out if I should have any expectation of it working in Fremantle (even future SDK releases). | 17:49 |
| murrayc | Which is all part of figuring out how to get the example hildon input method working on Fremantle. | 17:49 |
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| Stskeeps | murrayc: yeah, that one doesn't work in fremantle as the fremantle HIM(F) one is hardwired to thumb keyboard. | 17:51 |
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| murrayc | Stskeeps: Meaning that no plugins are possible ever? | 17:52 |
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| * RST38x sheds a tear for the virtual keyboard | 17:53 | |
| RST38x | In fact, I only used thumb keyboard a couple of times: I am unable to invoke it | 17:53 |
| Stskeeps | murrayc: well, that is what i'm wondering - i think you may need to diff HIM(F) from diablo to fremantle, - i think they removed stylus keyboard support | 17:54 |
| murrayc | They did. | 17:54 |
| murrayc | That's intentional. | 17:54 |
| Stskeeps | even from the framework, which is kinda silly | 17:54 |
| Stskeeps | stylus keyboard gone, sure | 17:54 |
| Stskeeps | but from framework? :P | 17:54 |
| murrayc | I hope they didn't remove the possibility to implement other input methods. | 17:54 |
| murrayc | Yeah, what would be the point of a framework that wasn't a framework. | 17:55 |
| RST38x | Sts: I think it is done to avoid it resizing app window | 17:55 |
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| Stskeeps | murrayc: i'm willing to admit i'm not 100% sure if it's the cause of Mer that the stylus keyboard doesn't work though. | 17:55 |
| rkirti_ | I am trying to do a native build of libconic before I add it to OE, the configure script complains about missing osso-ic , but I dont see osso-ic in the repo, and if I am not mistaken, it has been replaced..Where am I goofing up ? | 17:56 |
| Stskeeps | rkirti_: icd2-osso-ic or something | 17:56 |
| Stskeeps | murrayc: but when we upgraded to fremantle HIMF it died | 17:56 |
| rkirti_ | Stskeeps: ooh ok. thanks. | 17:56 |
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| murrayc | Stskeeps: The functionality has been intentionally removed from Maemo in general, though there's no reason to remove it from the framework. | 17:56 |
| Stskeeps | yeah | 17:56 |
| Stskeeps | which is what i tried to hint at in my bug but im not sure they got it :) | 17:57 |
| murrayc | Fremantle is obviously all touchy. | 17:57 |
| murrayc | Stskeeps: Bug URL? | 17:57 |
| RST38x | murrayc: Will be funny if the device comes out with the same unprotected LCD display | 17:57 |
| Stskeeps | https://bugs.maemo.org/show_bug.cgi?id=4178 , murrayc | 17:58 |
| andre_k | https://bugs.maemo.org/show_bug.cgi?id=4178 | 17:58 |
| Stskeeps | (you're cced on that..) | 17:58 |
| Stskeeps | :P | 17:58 |
| murrayc | Oh, that one. I was hoping for something to help me with exactly that. | 17:58 |
| murrayc | I'm meant to close that bug. | 17:58 |
| Stskeeps | ah | 17:58 |
| Stskeeps | you can implement a thumb keyboard though | 17:58 |
| Stskeeps | since it's hardwired to it :P | 17:58 |
| jeremiah_ | lizardo: I was moving tools from diablo to fremantle. I overlooked the fact that there was a newer version of gstreamer. I'll remove the old one and put back the new one. | 17:59 |
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| Stskeeps | and honestly a thumb keyboard example makes more sense -- but it would have been delicious if they didn't remove the functionality, since HIMF is supposed to be non-maemo | 18:00 |
| murrayc | Stskeeps: Are you Carsten Munk? | 18:00 |
| Stskeeps | yeah | 18:00 |
| jeremiah_ | The _real_ Carsten Munk? | 18:00 |
| Stskeeps | no, i have a middle name too | 18:00 |
| Stskeeps | :P | 18:01 |
| woglinde | lol | 18:01 |
| jeremiah_ | :P | 18:01 |
| Jaffa | I'm Carsten Munk, and so's my wife. | 18:01 |
| jeremiah_ | Is your middle name "Mer"? | 18:01 |
| RST38x | Jaffa: How do you tell each other apart? | 18:01 |
| * jeremiah_ I'm Carsten Munk | 18:01 | |
| Jaffa | Nah, his middle name's "why does this fscking open component have a build dependency on yet another closed library" | 18:01 |
| jeremiah_ | heh | 18:01 |
| Jaffa | RST38x: Boobies | 18:01 |
| RST38x | Ah | 18:01 |
| jeremiah_ | Carsten has boobies? | 18:01 |
| Stskeeps | this conversation went from technical to extremely weird. :P | 18:02 |
| * Jaffa 's bad. | 18:02 | |
| lizardo | jeremiah_: actually, the newer version (gstreamer 0.10.22) is only on the SDK repository, not extras-devel | 18:03 |
| lizardo | jeremiah_: so you just need to remove it packages will keep using the version in the SDK repository | 18:03 |
| Stskeeps | murrayc: in order of priorities we're actually mostly interested in fixing the framework being hardwired, but a thumb keyboard is also nice | 18:03 |
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| X-Fade | lizardo, jeremiah_: You only need to add the lib to extras-devel when it is not in the device by default ;) | 18:04 |
| lizardo | X-Fade: how do we now whether the package will appear in the device rootfs ? | 18:04 |
| lizardo | now -> know | 18:04 |
| Stskeeps | murrayc: because then we can work with stylus keyboards on the devices it makes sense on, and a thumb kbd etc where it's needed | 18:05 |
| X-Fade | lizardo: Well, if it is in the SDK, it should? | 18:05 |
| Stskeeps | (and we don't need deltas from HIMF in fremantle) | 18:05 |
| murrayc | Stskeeps: Yeah. | 18:05 |
| murrayc | Stskeeps: But you won't know if it can be done until it has been done. | 18:05 |
| lizardo | X-Fade: AFAIK, various packages that appear in the SDK repository will not end up in the device rootfs (as shipped in the product .bin) | 18:05 |
| Stskeeps | murrayc: yeah | 18:05 |
| X-Fade | lizardo: Well gstreamer is pretty basic. It will be in the device ;) | 18:06 |
| lizardo | X-Fade: for sure :) | 18:06 |
| X-Fade | lizardo: But not all plugins probably. | 18:06 |
| lizardo | X-Fade: I was just wondering if knew some (public) way of checking the packages that will be on the device :) | 18:07 |
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| lcuk | barring dev tools themselves, why should things provided in the Software Development Kit for a device have stuff that will be excluded from the device | 18:07 |
| X-Fade | lizardo: Not by asking me ;) | 18:07 |
| Stskeeps | murrayc: but finding exactly where it ended up being hardwired might be interesting as well - in the past it searched after stylus plugins and thumb plugins and used them based on what was needed, and i don't see why there can't be a setting to defaulting to thumb keyboard or stylus keyboard :P | 18:07 |
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| murrayc | Stskeeps: Hopefully I'll have things figured out over the next few days. | 18:08 |
| Stskeeps | yep, feel free to prod me if you need any comments :P | 18:09 |
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| lizardo | X-Fade: my personal policy regarding this (which we are using for pymaemo) is to not upload any dependencies already shipped in the SDK, and when the actual device becomes available, we upload those packages that are ONLY in the SDK | 18:22 |
| luke-jr | Maemo Recorder sucks, cuz it records silence -.- | 18:24 |
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| Jaffa | konttori_: ping | 18:32 |
| lcuk | luke-jrsometimessilenceisgoodbecauseithelpstodifferentiatethesignalfromthenoisebutiknowwhatyoumean | 18:33 |
| Jaffa | konttori_: USBControl in Diablo Extras - any reason why not? http://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?t=29046 | 18:34 |
| mgedmin | lcuk: don't forget to take a breath | 18:34 |
| * luke-jr glares at lcuk | 18:34 | |
| lcuk | but silence is more important than noise :) | 18:35 |
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| lcuk | mgedmin, hiya, are you comin to copenhagen? | 18:37 |
| * lcuk thinks you are | 18:37 | |
| mgedmin | probably not | 18:38 |
| mgedmin | it conflicts with a local open source user's meeting | 18:38 |
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| lcuk | booo | 18:39 |
| lcuk | i was told copenhagen is a lovely city, i get the feeling though i wont see too much of it | 18:39 |
| Stskeeps | you can scare peeps on christiana with your finger | 18:40 |
| Stskeeps | :P | 18:40 |
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| konttori_ | Jaffa: pong | 18:43 |
| oDuda | hello all ! | 18:43 |
| konttori_ | Jaffa: why not! | 18:43 |
| oDuda | can somebody explain me some things ? | 18:43 |
| Jaffa | konttori_: need a hand, or can you sort it? ;-) | 18:45 |
| konttori_ | Jaffa: I'll test on fremantle and then make a package | 18:45 |
| konttori_ | I can take care of it | 18:45 |
| Jaffa | konttori_: perfect, thanks | 18:45 |
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| * Jaffa will test on fremantle if you send me a device ;-) | 18:45 | |
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| oDuda | please somebody ? | 18:48 |
| Stskeeps | oDuda: it's better to ask so people can choose. | 18:48 |
| oDuda | hahahaha ok thanks Stskeeps ! you here too ?!?!?! | 18:48 |
| Stskeeps | i'm actually a voice inside your head. | 18:49 |
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| oDuda | Stskeeps: is about Mer too... when i flash it at N800 it will be put directly to card ? | 18:50 |
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| oDuda | when i flash Mer to N800 where it will be put ? | 18:54 |
| Corsac | hmhmh, I missed http://www.mobilecrunch.com/2009/05/18/exclusive-leaked-screenshot-of-nokias-maemo-harmattan/ :) | 18:55 |
| thopiekar | hi | 18:56 |
| thopiekar | I want to create a AdHoc with my friends Ipod to connect the ssh-server on his device.. | 18:57 |
| thopiekar | How can I get the IP of his device on my tablet | 18:57 |
| lardman | nmap | 18:58 |
| lardman | not sure if there's a version for Diablo mind you | 18:58 |
| thopiekar | is it by default on my tablet | 18:58 |
| thopiekar | ? | 18:58 |
| lardman | you could always ask him of course | 18:58 |
| lardman | no, you'd need to install it | 18:59 |
| thopiekar | k | 18:59 |
| thopiekar | I can make my own package of ubuntu then | 18:59 |
| thopiekar | thanks lardman | 18:59 |
| lardman | actually hang on a minute | 18:59 |
| thopiekar | kk | 18:59 |
| lardman | you want an adhoc network between the two devices? | 18:59 |
| thopiekar | yes | 18:59 |
| thopiekar | I just created one with my friend but there was no way to get the ip | 19:00 |
| lardman | oh I see, so you have the connection up? | 19:00 |
| thopiekar | yes | 19:00 |
| thopiekar | not atm.. I created the connection at school :P | 19:00 |
| thopiekar | with him | 19:00 |
| lardman | well chances are you'll have a close ip address, so you could just try pinging the ones close to yours, otherwise nmap it is | 19:00 |
| thopiekar | k | 19:01 |
| lardman | ah, well to connect directly to his device you'll need a server to issue an ip address, or zeroconf | 19:01 |
| thopiekar | have you found a package for it? | 19:01 |
| lardman | I've not looked lately, sorry | 19:01 |
| thopiekar | no problem :) | 19:01 |
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| lardman | I wonder if, being an Apple product, the ipod supports Bonjour/zeroconf/whatever it's called these days? Or if you'll need to have a dhcp server running for him to connect to? | 19:02 |
| thopiekar | hasn't every tablet got a dhcp-server? | 19:03 |
| lardman | -client, not a server | 19:03 |
| thopiekar | the connection between the devices was fine.. | 19:03 |
| lardman | oh ok | 19:03 |
| thopiekar | so no notifications about problems on both.. | 19:03 |
| lardman | looks like nmap is available for 2007 | 19:05 |
| lardman | anyway, I hope it works | 19:07 |
| lardman | cu all later | 19:07 |
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| samueldr | hi all | 19:09 |
| samueldr | http://www.mobilecrunch.com/2009/05/18/leaked-nokia-bringing-maemo-to-phones-could-be-ad-supported/ | 19:09 |
| samueldr | this and the follow-up http://www.mobilecrunch.com/2009/05/18/exclusive-leaked-screenshot-of-nokias-maemo-harmattan/ | 19:10 |
| samueldr | bogus? | 19:10 |
| samueldr | looks interesting | 19:10 |
| Stskeeps | yeah, but good publicity | 19:11 |
| Stskeeps | except for the "lastest" | 19:11 |
| Stskeeps | heh | 19:12 |
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| Stskeeps | whoever came up with the organizer with the kinetically scrolling page needs a medal | 19:12 |
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| Stskeeps | that's actually bloody brilliant | 19:12 |
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| Corsac | kinetically scrolling? | 19:14 |
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| andre_k | GeneralAntilles, ping | 19:16 |
| samueldr | but it would be interesting to see nokia uising maemo on their phones | 19:17 |
| samueldr | bad though if they used too many closed-source apps for the phone parts | 19:17 |
| Corsac | definitely | 19:17 |
| Stskeeps | if it's a phonet or at mode, who cares? :P | 19:17 |
| lcuk | Stskeeps, isnt that the norm now :P ive had a kinetic disorganiser for months now | 19:17 |
| Stskeeps | it's 80-20% still | 19:17 |
| Corsac | what's a kinetic stuff? :/ | 19:17 |
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| Stskeeps | kinetic scroll | 19:18 |
| Stskeeps | like in Tear | 19:18 |
| Corsac | tear? | 19:18 |
| Corsac | Tear? | 19:18 |
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| lcuk | Corsac, panning around a screen using kinetic bursts and the page carries on when you list hand up | 19:18 |
| lcuk | liqbase makes extensive use of it :) | 19:18 |
| lcuk | lift ^ | 19:18 |
| andre_k | GeneralAntilles, ah, uh... unpinging :) | 19:18 |
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| Corsac | yeah but I never used libqbase, sorry :> | 19:19 |
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| Corsac | is the iphone using it? | 19:19 |
| Corsac | I think I saw someone doing that, so if it is, ok, I understand :) | 19:19 |
| lcuk | i dunno ive never used an iphone | 19:19 |
| Stskeeps | andre_k: you're not coming to cph btw? | 19:20 |
| lcuk | oh, sorry yes i have | 19:20 |
| Jaffa | andre_k: Hmm, #3942 is beginning to annoy me | 19:20 |
| lcuk | once | 19:20 |
| Corsac | (is libqbase available in maemo repositories?) | 19:20 |
| lcuk | yeah | 19:20 |
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| lcuk | the original stable version :) the new framework is progressing steadily :) | 19:20 |
| andre_k | Stskeeps, i will be in cph in 10 days. who spread wrong rumors?! :-P | 19:21 |
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| Stskeeps | andre_k: you're not on participants list :P | 19:21 |
| Stskeeps | oh | 19:21 |
| Stskeeps | there | 19:21 |
| Stskeeps | bloody mozilla | 19:21 |
| andre_k | WHAT? | 19:21 |
| andre_k | ah. | 19:21 |
| andre_k | yeah. | 19:21 |
| andre_k | tell me in their face! in cph!!! :) | 19:21 |
| lcuk | Corsac, new framework doofer preview: http://liqbase.net/liq.20090519_002913.lib.scr.png | 19:21 |
| andre_k | Jaffa, yes, it sucks | 19:21 |
| Stskeeps | whoever made ff3 unstable needs a beating, yes | 19:21 |
| Stskeeps | :P | 19:21 |
| andre_k | Jaffa, hope it will receive more attention in the next weeks. i should ping again... | 19:22 |
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| RST38x | lcuk: Seriously, get in touch with wazd about the UI | 19:25 |
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| derf | http://www24.wolframalpha.com/input/?i=P%3DNP%3F | 19:57 |
| Stskeeps | under development? ;) | 19:58 |
| derf | They'll e-mail you when they figure it out. | 19:58 |
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| Stskeeps | hehe | 19:59 |
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| Macer | can't seem to install daemon tools in win7 | 20:11 |
| Macer | that kind of sucks | 20:11 |
| GAN800 | andre_k, pong? | 20:12 |
| GAN800 | Oh, nevermind. | 20:12 |
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| GAN800 | andre_k, any chance you could be available this Sunday or Monday? | 20:26 |
| Macer | well... got daemontools to install afterall | 20:28 |
| GAN800 | lol, Mer vs Android | 20:28 |
| Macer | ugh. why can't win7 have multiple desktops | 20:28 |
| Macer | bastards | 20:28 |
| Stskeeps | GAN800: not getting into that one.. | 20:28 |
| Stskeeps | :P | 20:29 |
| GAN800 | Where to begin. . . . | 20:29 |
| GAN800 | Stskeeps, do it. | 20:29 |
| Stskeeps | i have my academic career to save atm | 20:29 |
| GAN800 | GeraldKo isn't a troll | 20:29 |
| Stskeeps | :P | 20:29 |
| GAN800 | Good education opportunity. :p | 20:29 |
| RST38x | in psychology, not cs though | 20:30 |
| andre_k | GAN800, monday definitely, sunday maybe | 20:30 |
| andre_k | don't know exactly when to go back home on sunday, i'm currently travelling a bit :) | 20:31 |
| andre_k | but might work later in the evening (europe time) | 20:31 |
| GAN800 | andre_k, Monday is perfect. I can get most of the work done on Sunday then we can hammer out the rest Monday. What time is best for you? | 20:32 |
| Macer | [12:34:40] Mike_lifeguard | Macer: I just meant that linux has had that for a long time... I was implying that linux is better... which is it :D | 20:34 |
| Macer | it is that kind of ignorance that makes me hate linux sometimes :) | 20:34 |
| andre_k | GAN800, monday until/before 17:00utc i can definitely be around :) | 20:34 |
| Macer | just like catholic priests that rape boys | 20:34 |
| andre_k | cool | 20:34 |
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| luke-jr | Macer: Catholic priests don't rape boys | 20:36 |
| Macer | demons do? | 20:36 |
| toggles_w | daemons | 20:36 |
| luke-jr | demonic frauds, at least | 20:36 |
| Macer | must be the govt water flouride | 20:37 |
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| Macer | luke-jr: i agree | 20:37 |
| Macer | but there are too many linux users that make statements like that | 20:37 |
| Macer | i was telling him that i was suprised that win7 didn't have multiple desktops | 20:38 |
| Macer | and i also stated that multiple desktops is not a "feature of Linux" but a feature of the wm that you use in X | 20:38 |
| Macer | X which is run on a ton of operating systems :) | 20:38 |
| Stskeeps | GeneralAntilles: http://talk.maemo.org/showpost.php?p=288634&postcount=624 | 20:39 |
| Razumihin | I have never understood multiple desktops without tiling windowmanager... It's a chaos anyhow. | 20:39 |
| Macer | but i am still kind of pissed MS couldn't throw in a few lines of code to make multiple desktops | 20:39 |
| Macer | Razumihin: it comes in handy sometimes | 20:39 |
| Macer | i use it a lot in osx | 20:40 |
| Razumihin | Macer: I have tried but it annoys me more than helps. | 20:40 |
| mgedmin | heh, the trick is to have at most 2 windows per workspace | 20:40 |
| Macer | Razumihin: heh. guess it's a taste. but win7 should have at least had the feature. maybe it does and i just haven't seen it | 20:40 |
| Razumihin | But I normally use xmonad so almost any other wm seems annoying.. | 20:40 |
| mgedmin | then instead of a big mess on your only desktop you have four or more clean workspaces | 20:40 |
| Razumihin | mgedmin: Yes and a tiling windowmanager | 20:41 |
| Razumihin | It | 20:41 |
| Macer | mgedmin: or use a ulti high res 52" monitor? :) | 20:41 |
| Razumihin | 's no use when you're wasting the space. | 20:41 |
| Macer | ultra | 20:41 |
| Macer | that would be nice to have.. just mount it on the wall behind the desk or something... then you have all the space in the world haha | 20:42 |
| RST38x | mgedmin: the real trick is to do away with anything but 2-3 xterms :) | 20:42 |
| RST38x | and maybe a web browser | 20:42 |
| Macer | hm. guess is hould try to install openoffice on win7 | 20:42 |
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| Macer | i sure wish androffice woudl come out already.. i need something for my G1 that i can do office work on | 20:43 |
| Macer | what i would give for cups on my g1 :) | 20:43 |
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| Dantonic | hey when is the new tablet coming out? | 20:44 |
| Stskeeps | wish we knew | 20:44 |
| Macer | never!!! | 20:44 |
| Macer | :) | 20:44 |
| Dantonic | lol | 20:45 |
| Macer | they have to get rid of the n810 surplus first | 20:45 |
| Dantonic | i'm tired of waiting | 20:45 |
| Macer | get a gigabyte x86 based tablet | 20:45 |
| Macer | they have one that looks exactly like an n810 | 20:45 |
| * Macer hides under a rock | 20:45 | |
| lcuk | cost? | 20:45 |
| Dantonic | oh? are those good? don't know anything about em. | 20:46 |
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| RST38x | absolutely cool | 20:46 |
| fiferboy | lbt: ping? | 20:46 |
| RST38x | they can run Office! | 20:46 |
| Dantonic | macer link? | 20:46 |
| Macer | RST38x: haha... are you being serious? | 20:47 |
| Macer | i thought they were cool too but i figured people were kind of hateful here of atom based stuff | 20:47 |
| Macer | Dantonic: i will see if i can find it again | 20:48 |
| Dantonic | oh atom, isnt battery life very crappy? | 20:48 |
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| Macer | http://www.linuxdevices.com/news/NS2016342472.html | 20:48 |
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| RST38x | Dantonic: but you are going to have it plugged in most of the time aren't you? | 20:49 |
| Dantonic | no | 20:49 |
| Macer | The 6.0 x 3.1 x 0.9-inch device sold by Aigo and Gigabyte weighs a scant 10.6 ounces and offers 3.5 to 5.5 hours battery life | 20:49 |
| Macer | 3.5 to 5.5 of battery life while in use doesn't seem too bad to me | 20:49 |
| Macer | but you can always buy spare batteries :) especially if you are willing to pay $500-600 for that thing | 20:50 |
| luke-jr | Macer: they can ship me the N810 surplus | 20:50 |
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| luke-jr | I'll take it off their hands.. | 20:50 |
| Macer | luke-jr: weren't you telling me earlier how crappy you thought your n810 was? | 20:50 |
| Macer | :) | 20:50 |
| luke-jr | Macer: indeed | 20:50 |
| Macer | haha | 20:50 |
| luke-jr | but with so many, I could justify spending the time to reverse engineer it all | 20:51 |
| luke-jr | possibly | 20:51 |
| Macer | i think the n810 would be great if sprint and clearwire actually had wimax in more than like...1 small city | 20:51 |
| RST38x | THEM all? :) | 20:51 |
| Macer | :) | 20:51 |
| luke-jr | and make it USABLE | 20:51 |
| luke-jr | Macer: N810 doesn't do WiMax | 20:51 |
| Dantonic | out of my price range, was looking around 300 to 400 | 20:51 |
| Macer | luke-jr: there is a wimax version | 20:51 |
| luke-jr | Macer: not in stock anywhere, AFAIK | 20:51 |
| mgedmin | or was | 20:51 |
| Macer | er..... | 20:51 |
| mgedmin | I heard it was silently discontinued | 20:51 |
| luke-jr | it was discontinued | 20:51 |
| mgedmin | since you can't get wimax connectivity anywhere anyway | 20:52 |
| Macer | they all sold out in baltimore :) | 20:52 |
| Macer | the entire stock is probably there haha | 20:52 |
| lcuk | but black helicopters did not descend and take the worlds stock away | 20:52 |
| luke-jr | lol | 20:52 |
| Macer | mgedmin: that is what i meant | 20:52 |
| * RST38x can get WiMax connectivity pretty much anywhere | 20:52 | |
| luke-jr | Macer: Diablo doesn't even have WiMax support IIRC | 20:52 |
| Macer | baltimore is the only city that has it | 20:52 |
| Dantonic | i just tether my n800 to my cell and have 3g wherever | 20:52 |
| luke-jr | or at least, the Diablo initfs doesn't have the WiMax firmware | 20:52 |
| mgedmin | RST38x: I challenge you to come *here* and get WiMax connectivity | 20:53 |
| luke-jr | hm, is it possible to tether for phone, not just data? | 20:53 |
| Macer | http://www.amazon.com/Nokia-02700T6-Portable-Internet-Tablet/dp/B001CZJIIM/ref=sr_1_1?ie=UTF8&s=electronics&qid=1242755568&sr=8-1 | 20:53 |
| Macer | luke-jr: are you serious? | 20:53 |
| luke-jr | Macer: yeah | 20:53 |
| Stskeeps | luke-jr: .. be a bluetooth headset maybe | 20:53 |
| Dantonic | i think it is but haven't seen a prog for it yet | 20:53 |
| RST38x | mgedmin: You have got 3G cell, do not complain | 20:53 |
| lcuk | i didnt realise the g1 was so low resolution | 20:53 |
| Macer | :) there are plenty of them | 20:53 |
| Stskeeps | there's a daemon for it | 20:53 |
| luke-jr | Stskeeps: hm, might be good enough | 20:54 |
| luke-jr | that Boost plan has too low bandwidth for VoIP | 20:54 |
| Stskeeps | tso mentioned one, -i think- | 20:54 |
| luke-jr | so I was thinking, have my PBX dial the phone and bridge | 20:54 |
| luke-jr | might be expensive tho | 20:54 |
| luke-jr | unless | 20:54 |
| Dantonic | macer plenty of what? | 20:54 |
| Macer | wimax n810s :) | 20:54 |
| luke-jr | maybe I can have N810 tell the phone to dial my PBX? | 20:54 |
| Dantonic | oh | 20:54 |
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| Macer | luke-jr: that sounds similar to what skype's abortion did on the g1 | 20:55 |
| Macer | i'm still pissed about that | 20:55 |
| luke-jr | O.o | 20:55 |
| Macer | it calls a number (using minutes) and not only kills minutes but skype credit in the process | 20:56 |
| oDuda | just here ! | 20:56 |
| Macer | :) | 20:56 |
| luke-jr | >_< | 20:56 |
| Stskeeps | Macer: neat | 20:56 |
| Dantonic | luke-jr, i'd love a prog that would allow me to answer my phone and speak through my n800 'phonelink' had a glimpse of that, letting you answer from n800 but can't speak through it | 20:56 |
| Stskeeps | Macer: now noone can bitch about skype on n8x0 :P | 20:56 |
| Macer | Stskeeps: not really. i just wifi tether my wifi skype phone to my g1 | 20:56 |
| luke-jr | hmm | 20:56 |
| oDuda | i wanna remove some icons from Maemo menus... hows ? | 20:56 |
| Macer | Stskeeps: lol! | 20:56 |
| Macer | skype on the tablet was great | 20:56 |
| Macer | (compared to most) | 20:56 |
| luke-jr | anyone know if Freerunner hardware is open? | 20:56 |
| Macer | although i think that the n95 with fring was the best (when att wasn't acting like shit which it usually did) | 20:57 |
| luke-jr | maybe we could do a community project to combine N810 with Freerunner XD | 20:57 |
| Stskeeps | http://nohands.sourceforge.net/ | 20:57 |
| Stskeeps | port this and be famous | 20:57 |
| luke-jr | and make it clamshell while we're at it | 20:57 |
| Macer | hahaha | 20:57 |
| oilinki | Macer: can you make call with fring over edge? | 20:57 |
| luke-jr | Stskeeps: how does it need porting? | 20:57 |
| Stskeeps | (that's a daemon to act as a bluetooth handset) | 20:58 |
| Macer | oilinki: over 3G you can | 20:58 |
| Stskeeps | nfi | 20:58 |
| Stskeeps | but port it | 20:58 |
| Macer | never tried edge | 20:58 |
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| Macer | but the 3G here from att is CRAP | 20:58 |
| Stskeeps | you can answer calls on your phone using your tablet headset that way prolly | 20:58 |
| Macer | even their voice system is crap here in chicago | 20:58 |
| Macer | constantly dropping and disconnecting | 20:58 |
| luke-jr | Stskeeps: oh, it's GTK | 20:58 |
| Macer | losing net connections | 20:58 |
| Macer | it's horrible :) | 20:58 |
| oDuda | i cant answer that | 20:58 |
| luke-jr | so you mean rewrite as a daemon, and make a Qt interface ;) | 20:58 |
| Macer | they tried to blame it on my (at the time) $550 n95 | 20:59 |
| Macer | lol | 20:59 |
| oilinki | Macer: ok. also n810 voip over the phone 3g works as well. | 20:59 |
| Macer | so i put my sim in one of their awesome $20 razors | 20:59 |
| Macer | oilinki: i know | 20:59 |
| Macer | i used to do it wifi tethered to my G1 | 20:59 |
| Dantonic | Stskeeps> you can answer calls on your phone using your tablet headset that way prolly can u do that??? | 20:59 |
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| Macer | tmob here is awesome. it's a shame my n95 doesn't support their freqs :( | 20:59 |
| luke-jr | oilinki: is that practical with the crappy 5 GB limits? | 20:59 |
| Stskeeps | Dantonic: if it gets ported | 21:00 |
| Macer | i want a tmob 3G supporting n95 | 21:00 |
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| Dantonic | what prog is it? | 21:00 |
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| oDuda | i used phonelink | 21:00 |
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| Macer | this weechat color is kind of irritating | 21:00 |
| Macer | i think i might go back to irssi :) | 21:00 |
| oilinki | luke-jr: different world out here. in singapore there is no limits. in thailand only edge and timelimits. | 21:01 |
| oDuda | n800 and palm 650... but i cant answer... n800 only advise... | 21:01 |
| Macer | i thought the windowing system was interesting but i think not anymore | 21:01 |
| luke-jr | oilinki: ah | 21:01 |
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| DavidePalm | <--------- Dantonic | 21:02 |
| DavidePalm | so hang on... it is possible to make the N800 work as a bluetooth extension of the cell phone? | 21:02 |
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| Macer | leave it to ms to stick people with this stupid vista start menu | 21:03 |
| oDuda | DavidePalm: i used a Palm 650 and N800(OS2008) to connect | 21:03 |
| Macer | i hate the newer start menu :) | 21:03 |
| DavidePalm | oDuda a palm 650? | 21:03 |
| oDuda | N800 see Palm ringing... but do not gets me responding it | 21:03 |
| oDuda | yes ! | 21:03 |
| oilinki | luke-jr: and on some cases it makes sense even with limits. I'm using voip to call other countries, which in this way is much cheaper (and I have my own number where to call back as well) | 21:03 |
| lcuk | Macer, theres a fix for that | 21:03 |
| lcuk | hold on lemme get u a link | 21:03 |
| DavidePalm | right but you cannot speak through the N800? | 21:04 |
| lcuk | http://www.ubuntu.com/ | 21:04 |
| Macer | lcuk: hahahah! | 21:04 |
| Stskeeps | DavidePalm: techically if fsomeone implemented that deamon, and speak through n800 or headset | 21:04 |
| Stskeeps | :P | 21:04 |
| * Macer points at the new default kde menu | 21:04 | |
| oDuda | yes ! i cant respond through the N800... | 21:04 |
| Macer | i need a win box ;) | 21:04 |
| DavidePalm | Stskeeps idk what fsomeone is that's a prog? | 21:04 |
| oDuda | DavidePalm i used phonelink | 21:04 |
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| lcuk | Macer, be thankful your entire os isnt covered in a ribbon | 21:04 |
| Macer | lcuk: hahahhaa! | 21:05 |
| Macer | true | 21:05 |
| * mgedmin finds this picture: http://4.bp.blogspot.com/_Ki_XGZxWsq4/ShLaBtjJf_I/AAAAAAAAFdw/vWvn1yQwL3A/s1600-h/harm.jpg overloaded and confusing | 21:05 | |
| DavidePalm | ya oDuda but phonelink just let's you answer... kinda useless it would be nice if you could fully use your phone through the N800 | 21:05 |
| suihkulokki | all-ribbon os is probably coming in win 7 | 21:05 |
| lcuk | me too marius | 21:05 |
| lcuk | theres no grouping and everything is flat and same | 21:05 |
| lcuk | apart from the pretty looking map :$ | 21:05 |
| * lcuk likes that bit | 21:05 | |
| oDuda | DavidePalm so, i cant answer through... but N800 warns a call... | 21:06 |
| Stskeeps | DavidePalm: no, the no-hands thing | 21:06 |
| mgedmin | yeah, it's a splash of colours in the otherwise semi uniform grey blob ;) | 21:06 |
| * lcuk should use his free spot on liqbase currently to put map back | 21:06 | |
| DavidePalm | oDuda, ya but the phone rings and warns me too i dont really see the point | 21:06 |
| lcuk | mgedmin, have you seen recent views | 21:06 |
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| mgedmin | probably not | 21:06 |
| oDuda | DavidePalm point ? | 21:06 |
| mgedmin | I read maemo planet | 21:06 |
| mgedmin | but not ITT | 21:06 |
| lcuk | http://liqbase.net/liq.20090519_002913.lib.scr.png | 21:06 |
| DavidePalm | oDuda, I don't think it's very useful | 21:07 |
| mgedmin | this one I've seen | 21:07 |
| lcuk | its better to touch :) | 21:07 |
| mgedmin | but where's the anti-aliasing??? :) | 21:07 |
| lcuk | it all feels as fluid as the older one did :) | 21:07 |
| Macer | omg and frigging user authorization crap | 21:07 |
| lcuk | aa on 225dpi isnt really needed.. | 21:07 |
| Macer | it's like sudo without the need for a password | 21:07 |
| lcuk | but if there were more processing power it would be added :) | 21:08 |
| oDuda | DavidePalm yes you need to have the TWO devices to talk, when only one does the work :-) | 21:08 |
| oDuda | DavidePalm know, its funny to see a neighbor advising you that palm 650 is ringing... hahahahaha | 21:09 |
| lcuk | gotta go shopping | 21:09 |
| lcuk | bbl | 21:09 |
| Macer | palm messed up naming it WebOS | 21:09 |
| Macer | web is so 1990s | 21:09 |
| oDuda | DavidePalm the N800 shows a menu: Ok / Cancel - but nothing works... | 21:10 |
| lcuk | tell that to the arachnaphobiacs | 21:10 |
| aquatix | lcuk: that's a new UI? | 21:11 |
| DavidePalm | oDuda, when receiving a call? | 21:11 |
| oDuda | I cant find how to remove an icon from maemo menu... | 21:11 |
| DavidePalm | oDuda yes but I can't answer it from phone link can I? | 21:11 |
| oDuda | DavidePalm yes ! | 21:11 |
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| DavidePalm | I mean I have to still pick up my phone | 21:11 |
| DavidePalm | and answer that | 21:11 |
| oDuda | DavidePalm i think we cant answer... but Nokia says that its is possible... | 21:12 |
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| DavidePalm | yeah... plus phonelink doesnt even work with my phone :( SE TM506 | 21:12 |
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| Macer | wonder if virtualwin will work with win7 :) | 21:13 |
| oDuda | phonelink seds SMS too... but do not receives... | 21:13 |
| oDuda | bah | 21:13 |
| Stskeeps | Macer: what was your nexenta issue the other day though? | 21:13 |
| oDuda | sends * | 21:13 |
| Macer | Stskeeps: i was going to use a samba pdc for all net auth and fileserving | 21:13 |
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| DavidePalm | yea.. oDuda that's useless to me heh | 21:14 |
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| Stskeeps | Macer: ah | 21:14 |
| Macer | i couldn't access the ldap database for some reason | 21:14 |
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| oDuda | DavidePalm useless to all of us... | 21:14 |
| Macer | even after installing it and trying to use the pw from the apt-get install | 21:14 |
| DavidePalm | I mean it could be a great program if it was made to work properly... | 21:14 |
| DavidePalm | but the way it is is kinda pointless | 21:14 |
| Macer | it kept telling me that i was using the wrong password :) so i gave up for now | 21:14 |
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| Macer | but sooner or later i need to turn it into an auth server | 21:14 |
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| Macer | although for the windows boxes.. using samba will work for that just as well | 21:15 |
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| oDuda | DavidePalm navigate through the Palm 650 Edge is too expensive here... but was a more resource... | 21:15 |
| Macer | but i was hoping on getting AD working with samba and using it as a pdc that works across multiple operating systems | 21:15 |
| Macer | mostly linux wind and osx .. i'm sure all 3 can access a samba pdc | 21:15 |
| Macer | i may very well not require ldap for this but it would be nice to figure out | 21:16 |
| Macer | and it has to be the nexenta box because that one has the most kick to it | 21:16 |
| Macer | it also took me a minute to figure out how nexenta makes zfs snapshots :) | 21:17 |
| Macer | that was bit of a learning curve as half my stuff disappeared when i accidently rolled back 2 months | 21:18 |
| Stskeeps | hehe | 21:18 |
| Macer | ever put your keys down. and you check your pockets and they aren't where they are normally and you have that moment of dread before finding them on a counter? | 21:18 |
| oDuda | <-- leaving | Bye All !!!!... | 21:18 |
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| Macer | blah screw this. i'm goign to get a burger | 21:20 |
| Macer | working on getting this win7 box where i need it to bee | 21:20 |
| Macer | to bad it is going to expire at the end of 2010 | 21:20 |
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| rm_you | Stskeeps: does the opensuse build environment work on a 64bit system? | 21:22 |
| Stskeeps | i think so, it's all python afaik | 21:22 |
| rm_you | hrmrm | 21:22 |
| Stskeeps | http://www.digitimes.com/news/a20090514PD215.html <- touchscreen rumour | 21:22 |
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| Macer | Stskeeps: you should work on making an n800 hurd kernel | 21:25 |
| * Macer grins | 21:25 | |
| Stskeeps | Macer: /whois stskeeps | 21:26 |
| Stskeeps | that said, i have actually studied the hurd source. | 21:26 |
| Stskeeps | :P | 21:26 |
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| Macer | Stskeeps: don't get it | 21:31 |
| Macer | -@- [Stskeeps] (n=chobits@84.238.11.16): death to all gnubies | 21:31 |
| Stskeeps | gnu hurd. :P | 21:31 |
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| Macer | aren't you using a ton of gnu tools in mer? :) | 21:31 |
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| Stskeeps | sure, doesn't mean i have to like some off their followers ;) | 21:31 |
| Stskeeps | of | 21:32 |
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| Stskeeps | anyway, it comes from a time when i had a very nasty encounter with debian-legal :) | 21:32 |
| Stskeeps | has stayed there since | 21:32 |
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| Macer | you know. it was the angel Gabriel who came to mohammed and gave him the prophecies | 21:33 |
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| Stskeeps | wasn't gabriel the messenger or did i forget my biblical upbringing? :P | 21:33 |
| Macer | the same gabriel of the old testament .. and in the koran mohammad calls christians and jews men of god | 21:33 |
| Macer | :) | 21:34 |
| Stskeeps | yeah, i know that | 21:34 |
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| Macer | so basically there has been tons of blood spilled.. over the same God | 21:35 |
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| Macer | hence... 1239123676378564 linux distributions... and a hurd kernel that can not be made | 21:35 |
| Stskeeps | yup | 21:35 |
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| dhrachov | Hello, where can I find "Click to install!" icon in scalable graphic format? Thanks | 21:36 |
| Macer | because program development seems to follow the path of religion :) | 21:36 |
| Macer | disagreements over the same goal | 21:36 |
| kfx | Macer: I think you'll find that programming and religion follow the path of human history there | 21:36 |
| Macer | kfx: well. i think i have to agree with you there ;) | 21:37 |
| Macer | i don't understand why debian-legal would have such a hissy fit when the slogan is "free and open software" | 21:37 |
| Macer | i think they should change it to "somewhat free when we agree with what you are doing and only open if you conform to our intepretation of what the main goal is software" | 21:38 |
| Macer | or... SFWWAWWYADAOOIYCTOIOFS | 21:38 |
| Macer | pronounced "Sfwayadiositofis" (because that sounds latin and witty) | 21:39 |
| Macer | or "tofis" for short | 21:40 |
| toggles_w | wow, just played with the vbox image, pretty nice! need some im,email, and voip and i'd use it daily | 21:40 |
| luke-jr | Macer: what's the problem with debian? | 21:40 |
| Macer | luke-jr: well. i am no developer. but evidently anybody that wishes to do anything nearly resembling debian they have a hissy fit | 21:41 |
| luke-jr | O.o | 21:41 |
| Macer | then try to control the project | 21:42 |
| Macer | then when they can't .. say the project isnt this or that | 21:42 |
| Stskeeps | Macer: ah, my encounter wasn't OS related | 21:42 |
| Macer | then say it shouldn't have gnu it its name becuause 2 lines of code were this or that | 21:42 |
| Macer | it is amazing how much control certain "projects" try to impose on this idealogy of free and open software | 21:42 |
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| Macer | which is why i think MS and apple go it right with their dictatorship of their individual goals :) | 21:43 |
| Macer | go/got | 21:43 |
| Macer | and why i love fascism | 21:43 |
| Macer | haha | 21:44 |
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| locutus | Macer: naw, MS and Apple dont have stylish uniforms, the Real Fascists did! | 21:44 |
| Macer | locutus: they do on the top floors :) | 21:44 |
| suihkulokki | MS and apple have a simple goal - making lots and lots of money | 21:44 |
| Macer | suihkulokki: exactly | 21:44 |
| Macer | but at least it is a common goal | 21:44 |
| locutus | Macer: sick | 21:44 |
| Corsac | Macer: you're amazed by the control certain projects try to impose, yet you admire MS/apple way of doing thing? :) | 21:45 |
| Macer | where as gnu's goal was to make free and open software | 21:45 |
| * locutus starts singing | 21:45 | |
| locutus | HACKERS BE FREE, BE FREE | 21:45 |
| Macer | lol | 21:45 |
| locutus | SHARE THE SOURCE | 21:45 |
| locutus | AND HELP YOUR FELLOW MAN | 21:45 |
| Macer | Corsac: yes.. because no matter what this is the style that is imposed everywhere else anyways | 21:45 |
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| Macer | someone will disagree with the development of a distribution.. they will say fuck you.. make their own. and then start imposing the same rules | 21:45 |
| Macer | at least when a dev goes to apple or ms.. they know where they stand | 21:46 |
| Macer | they give their idea.. and if it is accepted it stays and if it is not it goes | 21:46 |
| Macer | if they see an idea that isn't theirs.. they strongarm it with money and take it as their own | 21:46 |
| suihkulokki | that's the beauty of free software - if you are not happy where debian, redhat or gentoo is going.. you can fork and go the way you prefer :) | 21:47 |
| Macer | devs for gnu or open based things do not.. they are confused. like Americans who think that free speech really means they can say anything | 21:47 |
| tank-man | "fuck off with your 'startrek ideas'" | 21:47 |
| * Stskeeps gets the popcorn | 21:47 | |
| Macer | suihkulokki: which is why there are more distributions than you can count now | 21:47 |
| Macer | and why ms and apple still rule the OS world :) | 21:48 |
| locutus | BUT I CAN LIVE IN MY OWN PRIVATE WORLD | 21:48 |
| Stskeeps | bwhaha. just passed 666 thanks on iTT. | 21:48 |
| Macer | locutus: you can if you make something from start to finish. but like anything else. you will see that others like it and will soon become the monster you once hated | 21:49 |
| aquatix | Macer: that's also because the general public don't even know there is another thing than that `windows thing' | 21:49 |
| Macer | aquatix: because there isn't a strong linux marketing structure | 21:49 |
| locutus | Macer: i run Debian with a homebrewn desktop environment on top | 21:49 |
| Macer | it is the radio controlled airplane of the OS world :) | 21:49 |
| locutus | Macer: i still LIKE it (: | 21:49 |
| aquatix | Macer: and see how popular those are now :) | 21:49 |
| Macer | amongst all of them Redhat probably has the best structure for marketing in a "niche" market | 21:50 |
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| aquatix | ubuntu has good marketing by pushing netbook and MID deployments | 21:50 |
| Macer | when you have a lot of individuals all fanning out instead of staying the course because they dont have to. you wind up with Linux | 21:51 |
| Macer | when you have a dictatorship .. you have ms and apple :) | 21:51 |
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| Macer | multibillion dollar conglomerates with employee health spas and game rooms | 21:51 |
| suihkulokki | fwiw the american army is replacing fighter jets with radio controller plane squadrons.. much cheaper and safer :) | 21:51 |
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| Macer | suihkulokki: and they probably use a windows app to control them :) | 21:52 |
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| Macer | in the Marines they used Redhat for a blue force tracker system that kept updates of units on the ground. i thought that was interesting. nice to see that the redhat dictatorship is working somewhat | 21:52 |
| Macer | they should call it "Free" and not open when describing what linux is :) | 21:53 |
| Macer | because the openness will only keep it where it is... the thing that never was in mainstream desktop use | 21:53 |
| Macer | </rant> | 21:54 |
| Macer | hahah.. bbl. going to eat | 21:54 |
| locutus | Macer: actually -due- to 'open'ness Linux is rather popular in the defence industries | 21:56 |
| Macer | maybe special applications | 21:56 |
| Macer | but i am willing to bet that about 90% of military end user desktops use windows | 21:57 |
| locutus | yes DESKTOPS | 21:57 |
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| locutus | but not integrated systems | 21:57 |
| locutus | like say, Aircraft avionics | 21:57 |
| locutus | see the JSF for example | 21:57 |
| Macer | true. which accounts for a very small percentage | 21:57 |
| Macer | of actual use | 21:57 |
| locutus | the US DOD will only license OS'n for which they get full source access for in weapons systems | 21:57 |
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| Macer | which again. accounts for an incredibly small amount of linux based use | 21:59 |
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| Macer | plus.. most defense contractors use proprietary operating systems | 21:59 |
| Macer | which the develop and maintain on their own | 21:59 |
| Macer | so debian-legal doesn't come along asking for the source used to run the nuclear warheads | 22:00 |
| Stskeeps | yeah, that'd be a blast of a gpl violation to find | 22:01 |
| Stskeeps | :P | 22:01 |
| suihkulokki | Macer: iirc they use EMP-proof ppc workstations at control centers | 22:01 |
| suihkulokki | (for the rc control that is, the discussion has wandered) | 22:02 |
| Macer | well. when iw as in the military i never got the chance to tour the warhead bunkers :) | 22:02 |
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| lbt | fiferboy: pong | 22:02 |
| fiferboy | lbt: Hey, how's it going? | 22:02 |
| suihkulokki | of course, EMP shielded computer is expensive like shit and complete overkill for a enemy like taliban | 22:02 |
| lbt | not bad... been busy for the past couple days | 22:03 |
| Macer | suihkulokki: i don't think they had the taliban in mind when creating those types of things ;) | 22:03 |
| Proteous | I wrap all my PCs in tin foil | 22:03 |
| Macer | ok. going to get some food. ttyl | 22:03 |
| Proteous | MUHAHAHAHAHA | 22:03 |
| fiferboy | lbt: Understandable. | 22:03 |
| fiferboy | I haven't had any stability problems with your Qt build | 22:04 |
| lbt | that's good | 22:04 |
| Proteous | I did, but only when I tried to get it to climb the stairs | 22:04 |
| Proteous | nothing a little duct tape can't fix though | 22:04 |
| lbt | I have added some api calls into it | 22:04 |
| lbt | bool fingerScrollable(); | 22:05 |
| lbt | void fingerScrollable(bool); | 22:05 |
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| lbt | and a dynamic property too | 22:05 |
| Proteous | stair climbing? | 22:05 |
| fiferboy | lbt: I imagine these API calls have to be inside an "#ifdef HILDON" ? | 22:06 |
| lbt | yes... but I also did qabstractscrollarea->setProperty("FingerScrollable", true); | 22:06 |
| lbt | and I was wondering about handling a dynamicProperty event | 22:07 |
| lbt | which wouldn't need it | 22:07 |
| lbt | but I think that's overkill | 22:07 |
| fiferboy | Ah, so it defaults on and can be over ridden on a widget-by-widget basis | 22:07 |
| lbt | yes | 22:07 |
| konttori_ | Jaffa: ping | 22:07 |
| lbt | I think QTablet needs to disable it | 22:07 |
| lbt | or, if you grow your own you can do | 22:08 |
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| lbt | if ! property("FingerScrollable")... setup-my-event-filters... | 22:08 |
| fiferboy | That sounds good. | 22:08 |
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| konttori_ | Jaffa: I made an upload to extras-devel now. It's still a blind packaged version, I haven't tested it yet on fremantle, nor diablo device. | 22:09 |
| konttori_ | so, if it builds, could you verify that it works. | 22:09 |
| fiferboy | What about accessor functions to change things like VMAX and decceleration? | 22:09 |
| lbt | no, nothing like that yet... | 22:09 |
| lbt | minimal API that works | 22:10 |
| konttori_ | I have my small cub sleeping in my arms atm and it's pretty hard to test stuff. Typing works though. | 22:10 |
| Proteous | bear cub? | 22:10 |
| konttori_ | I'll then also upload it to fremantle. | 22:10 |
| lbt | I did wonder about PrivateScroller cf AstractSlider | 22:10 |
| konttori_ | lol. baby. anyway, she's just snoring so much that cub feels more accurate | 22:10 |
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| lbt | instead of fingerScrollable() etc | 22:11 |
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| tds5016 | hello all. | 22:11 |
| lbt | having fingerScroller() return an object pointer to a QAbstractScrollAreaPrivateScroller | 22:11 |
| lbt | and then setFingerScroller() to replace it with a tweaked one | 22:12 |
| lbt | so if you want to change VMAX then just reimpliment | 22:12 |
| tds5016 | is there an easy way to get the mac address with python? | 22:12 |
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| suihkulokki | Macer: http://digitalproducer.digitalmedianet.com/articles/viewarticle.jsp?id=731015 | 22:13 |
| lbt | (or we extend QAbstractScrollAreaPrivateScroller API and you instantiate one and ammend it and set it) | 22:13 |
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| lbt | nb the term panController may make it compare with pannableArea | 22:14 |
| lbt | which I think gtk uses | 22:14 |
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| mgedmin | what the heck? | 22:15 |
| mgedmin | as soon as I try to type something in an ssh session, my n810 falls offline | 22:15 |
| fiferboy | lbt: Actually, I think VMAX is okay but it seems to slow down too quickly | 22:15 |
| mgedmin | I blame the AP and maemo's power savings, of course | 22:15 |
| fiferboy | What is the decceleration? | 22:15 |
| lbt | 50% | 22:15 |
| lbt | OVERSHOOT_DECEL_PC | 22:16 |
| fiferboy | lbt: Do you know how that compares to the h-p-a decelerarion property at 0.9? | 22:17 |
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| fiferboy | I doubt they are 1:1 equivalent, depending on how each implements deceleration | 22:18 |
| lbt | wait... | 22:18 |
| lbt | DECEL_PC = 85 | 22:18 |
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| fiferboy | Ah,so I would think they are fairly close. | 22:20 |
| lbt | just looking at h-p-a.cc | 22:20 |
| Stskeeps | mgedmin: there's a circular syslogd in busybox i think | 22:20 |
| lbt | 1:1 by the look of it... so long as they use the same framerate | 22:21 |
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| * mgedmin tries to remember if there are any access point settings that might play bad with nits | 22:27 | |
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| mgedmin | hm, DTIM is already set to 1, beacon interval is 100ms | 22:31 |
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| mgedmin | rtt min/avg/max/mdev = 490.189/20743.724/49717.384/14067.338 ms, pipe 39 | 22:36 |
| mgedmin | ouch, a latency of 49 seconds (!) | 22:36 |
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| lcuk | mgedmin, :) just the person i was thinking of | 22:41 |
| lcuk | im just at the point of transfering the license for liqbase GPL to the library as LGPL, the widgets and apps I have created and continue to create under the GPL are still valid to stay and are ok to be linked to the LGPL arent they | 22:42 |
| mgedmin | uh, yes | 22:43 |
| mgedmin | you know that IANAL, right? | 22:43 |
| lcuk | i know :) | 22:43 |
| lcuk | but i also know you spoke very wise works in Berlin :) | 22:43 |
| lcuk | words | 22:44 |
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| lcuk | infact, ill hold off on the change for now | 22:45 |
| Jaffa | konttori_: pong | 22:47 |
| Jaffa | konttori_: will do | 22:47 |
| konttori_ | Jaffa: it's in diablo | 22:47 |
| konttori_ | not in chinook. if you say thumbs up, I'll upload to chinook as well | 22:48 |
| * Jaffa will test post-Daily Show | 22:48 | |
| konttori_ | cool | 22:48 |
| lcuk | aquatix, yes | 22:49 |
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| * mgedmin has UI hate | 22:50 | |
| mgedmin | aaargh "cannot edit connection while connected to the internet" -- then GIMME A "DISCONNECT" BUTTON DAMNIT!!!! | 22:51 |
| mgedmin | and it's a modal subdialog of a modal subdialog, so I have to close three windows before I can disconnect, and then I have to re-open those windows back | 22:51 |
| lcuk | "sorry cannot disconnect whilst connection closing warning dialog onscreen" | 22:51 |
| mgedmin | Nokia UI designers, be happy there aren't Internet-controllable voltage spikes connected to your chairs | 22:51 |
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| lcuk | :) | 22:52 |
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| lcuk | mgedmin, that would actually be quite relaxing for some folks | 22:54 |
| * lcuk used to have a TENS machine | 22:54 | |
| * Myrtti wants one | 22:54 | |
| * mgedmin wonders if "tens" is a googlable word | 22:56 | |
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| fiferboy | lbt: Finger scrolling still does wierd things when dragged off horizontally | 22:56 |
| luke-jr | http://luke.dashjr.org/tmp/handheld-shell.png <-- ideal case IMO | 22:57 |
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| mgedmin | a physical implementation of that is probably tricky | 22:58 |
| lcuk | luke-jr, "open typing in hand" works until you want to press the screen - the 810 has annoying habit of tipping backwards - that is principle reason for my wooden crate :) | 23:00 |
| Jaffa | mgedmin: That dialgoue pisses me off too (both for UI & technical reasons ;-) | 23:00 |
| lcuk | my x41 is a rotatable slate | 23:00 |
| lcuk | and that does everything mentioned in that picture apart from the kickstand | 23:00 |
| mgedmin | point | 23:01 |
| mgedmin | the picture doesn't depict "fits in a pocket" | 23:01 |
| lcuk | oh i missed the in pocket bit lol | 23:02 |
| lcuk | didnt the old zauruses do that lot tho | 23:02 |
| mgedmin | the transition between tablet and open (typing in hand) is different, I suspect | 23:02 |
| lcuk | http://www.ma.utexas.edu/users/voloch/Hall/zaurus4.jpg | 23:03 |
| mgedmin | the x41 wants you to swivel the screen 180 degrees and then open/close it | 23:03 |
| mgedmin | the picture implies sliding like on a n810 | 23:03 |
| lcuk | TRANSFORMERS robots in discguise | 23:03 |
| lcuk | +spelling | 23:03 |
| * lcuk blames it on the finger from hell | 23:04 | |
| lcuk | does anyone remember the rubics magic | 23:04 |
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| mgedmin | you disguised that word obviously, I was able to recognize it anyway! | 23:07 |
| lcuk | heh | 23:07 |
| mgedmin | speaking of transformers, http://www.bigbadtoystore.com/bbts/product.aspx?product=TAK10927&mode=retail&picture=out | 23:08 |
| lcuk | are you homebound for a while then marius, or are you jetsetting anywhere exciting in the near future | 23:08 |
| mgedmin | I'm relaxing (um, er, that is, working) at home | 23:08 |
| luke-jr | lcuk: huh? | 23:08 |
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| lcuk | if you rpess on the screen of the 810 with the keyboard open the 810 tips backwards.. | 23:09 |
| lcuk | i give up | 23:09 |
| lcuk | somebody get me a secretary. STAT | 23:09 |
| luke-jr | lcuk: not if you're holding it.. | 23:09 |
| luke-jr | which *is* the entire purpsoe of that position | 23:10 |
| ShadowJK | sometimes it tips back even with keyboard closed | 23:10 |
| mgedmin | but how can you touch-type if you're holding it in one hand, eh? | 23:10 |
| * lcuk cant touch type at all at the moment | 23:11 | |
| lcuk | its SO strange to use wrong fingers to do typing | 23:11 |
| luke-jr | mgedmin: thumbs | 23:11 |
| lcuk | you cant use your thumbs if its on the desk | 23:12 |
| luke-jr | then you type like normal :p | 23:12 |
| lcuk | and you cant draw if its upright like a laptop | 23:12 |
| lcuk | so when you draw on the 810 it tips back | 23:12 |
| lcuk | like i said originally | 23:12 |
| luke-jr | fine, scrap the touchscreen and add an eraser-mouse | 23:12 |
| lcuk | but i bought a fuffin touch device so i could draw on it | 23:12 |
| lcuk | :P | 23:12 |
| luke-jr | so have both | 23:12 |
| luke-jr | -.- | 23:12 |
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| lcuk | ewww no | 23:13 |
| luke-jr | sigh | 23:13 |
| lcuk | i wouldnt polute liqbase with mouse input | 23:13 |
| lcuk | pollute | 23:13 |
| luke-jr | screw liqbase | 23:13 |
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| * mgedmin now wants to control the n810's volume over ssh | 23:22 | |
| kfx | alsamixer? | 23:23 |
| mgedmin | apt-cache search mixer -> not much | 23:24 |
| mgedmin | there are probably dbus commands | 23:25 |
| mgedmin | gconf! | 23:26 |
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| mgedmin | ouch, dash has no functions | 23:32 |
| tds5016 | can someone tell me why python's uuid class keeps returning a different result for the uuid.getnode()? | 23:33 |
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| Macer | word | 23:33 |
| Macer | hm | 23:34 |
| suihkulokki | mgedmin: most certainly it does. | 23:34 |
| mgedmin | have I got the syntax wrong then? | 23:34 |
| Macer | weechat doesnt seem to work too well in connectbot | 23:34 |
| mgedmin | probably | 23:34 |
| mgedmin | most likely | 23:34 |
| * mgedmin is writing a shell script to gently fade out the music | 23:35 | |
| suihkulokki | name () { command1; command2; .. } | 23:36 |
| mgedmin | I forgot the () | 23:36 |
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| tds5016 | Is there aynoen here that programs in python for the maemo? | 23:41 |
| tds5016 | I need some definite help with getting the mac address. | 23:41 |
| tds5016 | uuid.getnode() fails every time. | 23:41 |
| mgedmin | and by "fails" you mean? | 23:42 |
| mgedmin | ah, returns different addresses | 23:42 |
| mgedmin | well, it seems to work just fine for me | 23:43 |
| mgedmin | OS2008, python 2.5.2 | 23:43 |
| mgedmin | hm, python 2.5.2-1osso2 from I've-no-idea-where | 23:43 |
| mgedmin | the version in repository.maemo.org is 2.5.2-1osso4 | 23:43 |
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| mgedmin | app manager doesn't offer upgrades | 23:46 |
| mgedmin | my fade-out script, if anyone's interested: http://pastie.org/483285 | 23:47 |
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| coldboot | Nice | 23:49 |
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| RST38x | Hmmm...the Pope apparently travels with a little refrigerated case containing human blood. | 23:59 |
| Macer | going to try out quake live | 23:59 |
| Macer | h3h | 23:59 |
| Macer | er.. heh | 23:59 |
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