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| oli | is there any n800 stuff for reading qrcodes? | 00:31 |
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| RST38h | [at the cost of severe mental degradation] | 00:42 |
| derf | oli: Yes. | 00:43 |
| derf | But right now that "stuff" is just a test program from maemo-barcode. | 00:43 |
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| lcuk | gsoc project for it i think | 00:43 |
| derf | Really? Awesome. | 00:44 |
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| lardman|tv | oli: derf's qrcode stuff in maemo-barcode | 00:52 |
| lardman|tv | ah, too late | 00:52 |
| * lardman|tv should read the scroll between | 00:52 | |
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| Marques | it's hard port a app to the maemo? | 03:52 |
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| Marques | it is hard to port a program to the maemo? | 03:54 |
| `0660 | i think setting up the sdk is the biggest hurdle :) | 03:55 |
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| Marques | but how i setup the, i need a linux on the desktop | 03:56 |
| Marques | how i setup the sdk?Needs a Linux Distro on the desktop? | 03:57 |
| Marques | a LiveCD works | 03:57 |
| Marques | ? | 03:57 |
| `0660 | you could use vmware image | 03:57 |
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| Marques | yes but the port needs know the programming language right, like the python, C#, and the others?(sorry my bad english, i am brazillian) | 04:00 |
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| ShadowJK | yes | 04:01 |
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| Marques | oh... so i don't go port any program, i don't know any programing language... | 04:03 |
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| Marques | it is much difficulty learn a programing language? | 04:06 |
| lcuk | the language is the easy part, it helps if you explain what the app is currently written in and for what language | 04:07 |
| lcuk | some ports from existing linux apps are easy | 04:07 |
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| lcuk | for other languages and operating systems you are in for much more work and its not trivial | 04:07 |
| Marques | and users of maemo, the KDE port is a window manager only or it change the maemo to other OS?(I am noob on the linux) | 04:09 |
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| lcuk | that doesnt make much sense, what is the app you are trying to port, what os does it currently work on and what language does it use, and if possible which widget toolkit is it using.. | 04:13 |
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| Marques | no i don't want port any program, i am only curious, and like know if KDE is only a windows manager and runs the programs of maemo or KDE is OS and the programs of Maemo don't work on the KDE | 04:17 |
| lcuk | maemo uses a different window manager, but the core gtk code works with extra specific maemoisms | 04:22 |
| lcuk | so a gtk program that can work in kde or gnome can be adjusted to work in maemo | 04:22 |
| lcuk | and vice versa | 04:23 |
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| Marques | but it is automatic or easy?Because i see that the KDE have the OpenOffice, konqueror, GIMP | 04:24 |
| Marques | and the ubuntu anybody have tested? | 04:24 |
| pupnik | yes | 04:25 |
| pupnik | ask only yes/no questions Marques | 04:26 |
| pupnik | makes things easier for me | 04:26 |
| lcuk | Marques, a large complex program does not run well in a constrained screen :) | 04:26 |
| lcuk | gnite tho | 04:26 |
| lcuk | nite pupnik | 04:26 |
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| Marques | but the maemo have a openoffice alternative? | 04:27 |
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| GeneralAntilles | Abiword | 04:45 |
| Guest77195 | .nick jumentous | 04:45 |
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| jumentou | can someone tell me the basics of what parts of maemo are open source and what is closed? essentially can i use maemo on top of an omap based device as i dont need any communication stack | 04:50 |
| ShadowJK | it's not like maemo has much of a communication stack either... | 04:52 |
| jumentou | i know that hildon obviously linux etc are all open | 04:52 |
| ShadowJK | You probably want to check out Mer | 04:52 |
| GAN800 | ~mer | 04:52 |
| infobot | somebody said mer was http://wiki.maemo.org/Mer | 04:52 |
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| jumentou | was thinking of going with ubuntu mid and hildon, but it could be more difficult if it becomes arm based | 04:53 |
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| chx | After years of eyeing the tablets, when buy.com priced it at 199 i could not resist any more. I have my own BT GPS receiver, so that's not a problem. Is there a public transit planner for the maps application it ships with or do I need google maps (which require online connction) for that | 05:18 |
| ShadowJK | i woudlnt expect much from the bundled wayfinder gps app | 05:19 |
| Macer | anybody here have a ps3 with linux on it? | 05:20 |
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| GAN800 | jumentou, MID is probably moving to Mer upstream anyway | 05:24 |
| jumentou | thats interesting, i haven't seen a lot of development recently on MID edition though i'd heard it heading more towards moblin | 05:26 |
| pupnik | do those voltage muscle stimulators work | 05:27 |
| pupnik | my MID could use some toning | 05:27 |
| GAN800 | It was based on Moblin, now it's probably moving to Mer | 05:27 |
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| GAN800 | Canonical is being stupid and shortsighted about the MID range I think. | 05:28 |
| GAN800 | pupnik, newsflash: sweat is very conductive. | 05:28 |
| jumentou | they seem to be more focused on their UNR, any idea of Mer's stability etc, i'm looking at it now but just what you know | 05:29 |
| GAN800 | jumentou, | 05:29 |
| GAN800 | jumentou, it's alpha stage | 05:29 |
| GAN800 | Devel is very unstable at this point | 05:30 |
| GAN800 | Its upstream is only at a beta release, so. . . . | 05:30 |
| jumentou | yea assumed so | 05:30 |
| jumentou | as far as i see though using MID edition really rules me out of using an OMAP chip | 05:31 |
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| GAN800 | Meh, it's only vaguely Atom targeted. But, really, Mer is your best bet in the mobile Linux game at this point. | 05:33 |
| jumentou | its only vaguely atom targetted but the repositorys and prebuilt are all x86 targetted, i could possibly build it all myself but its a lot of work | 05:35 |
| chx | ShadowJK: i see. are there other apps? paid is fine. | 05:41 |
| chx | also. is it possible to get a VGA out for projectors? :) | 05:41 |
| ShadowJK | heh, some people have used usb-vga adapters | 05:41 |
| ShadowJK | (combined with f-f usb adapter and powered usb hub I'd think) | 05:42 |
| ShadowJK | the bundled wayfinder is actually not free to use | 05:42 |
| ShadowJK | well, only navigation costs | 05:42 |
| chx | LOL http://xsisusb.garage.maemo.org/seriously? | 05:43 |
| chx | erm , space before the last word :p | 05:43 |
| chx | thats quite something from a 200 bucks device. | 05:43 |
| ShadowJK | maemo-mapper isnt that great withoyt internet connectivity | 05:44 |
| ShadowJK | I've seen navit mentioned in the forums but I don't know anything about it | 05:45 |
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| chx | more questions... just tell me if i run out of questions quota. did anyone try to bolt a fingerprint reader ? i tried to google | 05:52 |
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| chx | would http://www.retractablecables.com/USB-FireWire/USB_Adapters_USB_A_Male_to_Micro_A_Male_Adapter.html this work with a gender changer? it mentions otg. | 06:42 |
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| ShadowJK | probably | 06:48 |
| ShadowJK | with usb-control (iirc) you can also use a gender changer with the bundled cable | 06:49 |
| ShadowJK | I guess you'd get that one if you want to cut down on cable length :) | 06:49 |
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| ShadowJK | re fingerprint reader... probably not :) | 06:52 |
| ShadowJK | If it works and does something useful when you plug it into a Linux desktop, it could possibly be made to do something on the tablet as well... | 06:52 |
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| Macer | man | 07:10 |
| Macer | it's awesome i was able to build a hidd for this g1 with the android source | 07:10 |
| Macer | now if only i was hardcore enough to make a gui front end for it | 07:10 |
| Macer | heh | 07:10 |
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| RST38h | http://www.schneier.com/blog/archives/2009/05/software_proble.html | 07:46 |
| RST38h | Enjoy | 07:46 |
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| oDuda | hello ! | 08:07 |
| oDuda | hello ow | 08:08 |
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| RST38h | hey asts | 08:10 |
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| Stskeeps | Meiz_n810: i feel your pain | 08:18 |
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| thux | morning | 09:45 |
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| thux | if have working n800 is it worth to buy cheap n810? (230e) | 09:47 |
| ShadowJK | If you want to have two tablets immediately, I guess. | 09:49 |
| thux | not really | 09:50 |
| thux | just thought if n810 is faster or better screen | 09:51 |
| ShadowJK | With OS2008 the N800 runs exactly the same speed as N810 | 09:52 |
| ShadowJK | The N810 does have screen that is fully readable in direct sunlight though | 09:52 |
| thux | brighter then, does it eat more battery? | 09:54 |
| ShadowJK | transreflective | 09:54 |
| Macer | http://linuxdevices.com/news/NS7627904812.html | 09:54 |
| Macer | hm. that's interesting | 09:54 |
| ShadowJK | Like, you could turn off the backlight completely and you could see what's on the screen | 09:55 |
| ShadowJK | (in bright sunlight) | 09:55 |
| ShadowJK | The colours are more washed out than if you're in the shade with backlight on, but it's like night and day compared to N800 which becomes completely unreadable in direct sunlight | 09:55 |
| StsN800 | Macer, i'd rather get a smartq7 | 09:56 |
| Macer | StsN800: yeah i was looking at that also | 09:57 |
| thux | ShadowJK: thanks for info | 09:57 |
| ShadowJK | I guess if sun-readable screen and a uncomfortable keyboard is worth it for you then.. | 09:58 |
| Macer | StsN800: also seems like a lot of the world is going the atom route | 09:58 |
| ShadowJK | but I'd probably wait for the next device, unless you expect it to be too costly for you | 09:58 |
| Macer | gigabyte M528 seems strangly like an n810 | 09:58 |
| StsN800 | Macer, with crap battery times | 09:59 |
| * StsN800 is personally sold on arm | 09:59 | |
| Macer | atom is that bad on the battery | 09:59 |
| Macer | it's x86 isn't it? | 09:59 |
| ShadowJK | Atom is better on battery than other x86 chips... But compared to ARM it's still crud | 10:00 |
| Macer | heh | 10:01 |
| Macer | well. i'm just saying. there is a possibility that xp could run on the devices :) | 10:02 |
| StsN800 | i'm not confident xp would be very power saing | 10:02 |
| Macer | haha. realistically anything sucks up power depending on how it is used | 10:03 |
| Macer | i used to kill my n800 rather quickly because i would constantly use it | 10:03 |
| Macer | damn. that gigabyte costs 650 | 10:04 |
| Macer | gigabyte M528 | 10:04 |
| Macer | screw that | 10:05 |
| StsN800 | oh, and price.. | 10:05 |
| ShadowJK | You'd only use Atom if you're desperate for XP, otherwise ARM wins.. | 10:05 |
| Macer | oh..comes with an hspda modem built in | 10:06 |
| Macer | no.. it's on a mini card | 10:06 |
| Macer | 3.7v 3060mAh battery.. thats pretty strong | 10:06 |
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| LiraNuna | how useable is aircrack-ng is on n8x0? | 10:11 |
| LiraNuna | how open are the drivers and can they be used for packet injections? | 10:11 |
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| Macer | well | 10:13 |
| tank-man | i believe the current open drivers are beta | 10:13 |
| Macer | when is this new n900 (or whatever) going to be released? | 10:13 |
| LiraNuna | I hope we'll see some images of the rx-77 | 10:14 |
| Macer | i actually wouldn't have mind buying a wimax n810 if sprint xohm was't such a miserable failure at its infrastructure building | 10:14 |
| LiraNuna | Macer, don't get a wimax version, it's declared EOL | 10:14 |
| Macer | heh | 10:14 |
| Macer | wimax is dead huh? | 10:15 |
| LiraNuna | I bought one for the wimax and except the black (sexy) look | 10:15 |
| LiraNuna | I got no benefits | 10:15 |
| Macer | they only have it in.. damn. i forgot the city | 10:15 |
| Macer | baltimore? | 10:15 |
| LiraNuna | baltimor | 10:15 |
| LiraNuna | actually | 10:15 |
| Macer | i'm in chicago and they have had "in progress" on their web site for like 2 years | 10:15 |
| LiraNuna | http://www.clearwire.com/ has wimax too | 10:15 |
| Macer | well.. sprint has the odasity to put "with the only 4G network..." in their commercials | 10:16 |
| Macer | they should be ashamed of that | 10:16 |
| LiraNuna | all marketing dude | 10:16 |
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| Macer | clearwire is almost as bad as sprint | 10:17 |
| Macer | heh | 10:17 |
| LiraNuna | yep | 10:17 |
| Macer | wimax is turning to be a huge dud | 10:17 |
| LiraNuna | : | 10:17 |
| LiraNuna | :(* | 10:17 |
| Macer | such potential | 10:17 |
| Macer | what a waste | 10:17 |
| LiraNuna | they say rx-77 has 3G | 10:17 |
| Macer | yeah. i was having a discussion earlier about how the word extreme adds 40% to the price of hardware | 10:18 |
| LiraNuna | or so I think it's called.. | 10:18 |
| * Macer points at the intel x25 ssd | 10:18 | |
| LiraNuna | I don't care about the price - I'd buy it anyway | 10:18 |
| LiraNuna | even though I bought N810WE 3 weeks ago :D | 10:18 |
| LiraNuna | unless it doesn't have HW keyboard... | 10:18 |
| Macer | lol | 10:18 |
| Macer | yah. i learned to love my g1's qwerty | 10:18 |
| LiraNuna | N810's design is so useful | 10:19 |
| Macer | which is why i stopped using my n800 and gave it to sts | 10:19 |
| LiraNuna | HW keyboard makes so much difference | 10:19 |
| ShadowJK | intel x25 is actually good :-) | 10:19 |
| * LiraNuna is an iPhone hater | 10:19 | |
| Macer | ShadowJK: oh no doubt | 10:19 |
| Macer | it is topping out sata controllers :) | 10:19 |
| Macer | but they have 2 versions | 10:19 |
| ShadowJK | It blows every other SSD out of the water | 10:19 |
| ShadowJK | even the MLC version does | 10:20 |
| Macer | a mainsteam version and an extreme version :) | 10:20 |
| Macer | which do you think costs a lot more? | 10:20 |
| Macer | ShadowJK: i'm sure it does | 10:20 |
| Macer | it probably goes 250MB/s for reads | 10:20 |
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| ShadowJK | it's like [floppydisk]--[harddrives][other SSDs][harddrives][other SSDs] ------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- [OCZ Vertex] ------------------------------- [Intel's MLC based] ------ [ Intel's "extreme" ] | 10:21 |
| Macer | lol | 10:21 |
| Macer | i don't think ------- is worth the extra money :) | 10:22 |
| amoult | Robot101 ] [ z4chh ] | 10:22 |
| amoult | oops | 10:22 |
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| Macer | ShadowJK: i'm trying to find the speed differences between the m and e | 10:23 |
| ShadowJK | it has 10X the durability | 10:23 |
| Macer | 10x the durability? | 10:24 |
| ShadowJK | slc instead of mlc, right? | 10:24 |
| Macer | does the m withstand 1000G? | 10:24 |
| Macer | oh | 10:25 |
| Macer | yeah you're right | 10:25 |
| Macer | the write speeds are just as fast as the read | 10:25 |
| Macer | ok... never mind. i was wrong. price justified :) | 10:25 |
| Macer | 250MB/s read and write | 10:26 |
| Macer | wow that is retarded fast | 10:26 |
| ShadowJK | and mostly irrelevant :) | 10:26 |
| Macer | oh.. my bad... | 10:26 |
| Macer | 170MB/s | 10:26 |
| Macer | ShadowJK: yeah i suppose so. there really isn't much that can write to the hd faster than 100MB/s | 10:26 |
| ShadowJK | that's not the point | 10:27 |
| ShadowJK | those are for sequential/streaming reads or writes... | 10:27 |
| Macer | i think the fastest thing i have used was my gbit nic and it topped out at 105MB/s | 10:27 |
| ShadowJK | In normal use very few things do streaming writes or reads... maybe if you had like a camera surveillance thing with 50 cameras that you wanted to record to a single disk... | 10:27 |
| Macer | ShadowJK: yeah i guess that is a valid point too | 10:27 |
| Macer | not many people would be writing huge files to such a small drive | 10:28 |
| Macer | 70MB/s is pretty quick on its own though | 10:28 |
| ShadowJK | http://images.anandtech.com/graphs/thessdanthology_031809001858/18643.png | 10:28 |
| ShadowJK | THAT is what counts :) | 10:28 |
| LiraNuna | anyone's collecting info about the ex-77 in any way? | 10:28 |
| LiraNuna | rx* | 10:28 |
| Macer | even if 170MB is faster :) you get 100MB/s write speeds for it | 10:28 |
| StsN801 | rx-51 and rx-71 are the codenames seen | 10:29 |
| Macer | lol | 10:29 |
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| Macer | that's all you get as a boost from the "extreme" edition? | 10:29 |
| Macer | that's like a race stripe on a car | 10:29 |
| Macer | or the loud muffler that makes it sound faster than it's really going | 10:29 |
| ShadowJK | "Every single drive other than the Intel X25-E, X25-M and OCZ's Vertex is slower than the 2.5" Seagate Momentus 5400.6 hard drive in this test. " | 10:30 |
| amoult | I have a little question about os cloning, wiki page here http://wiki.maemo.org/Booting_from_a_flash_card says that there could be better performance on cloned drive.. | 10:30 |
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| LiraNuna | Stskeeps, I've heard 77 from someone here, so that's what I'm saying :D | 10:31 |
| amoult | would N810 internal sd be faster than where the os is by default? | 10:31 |
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| ShadowJK | http://anandtech.com/storage/showdoc.aspx?i=3531&p=2 nice read about SSDs, anandtech really "gets it" | 10:31 |
| Macer | amoult: not sure what the internal flash is rated but class 6 cards are newer and may go faster | 10:31 |
| ShadowJK | other sites just blindly benchmark read/write speeds, which are meaningless for real life performance :) | 10:31 |
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| amoult | is there significant boost if thats the sole reason I would clone OS? | 10:32 |
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| Macer | amoult: there would be a huge increase in actual storage size for apps etc | 10:32 |
| Macer | and i am sure you will see some gain in speeds depending on the class of sd you use | 10:33 |
| amoult | which class card you would recommend? | 10:33 |
| Macer | 6 is the highest so far i am sure | 10:33 |
| Macer | usually it will have its class on the sd in a circle like thing | 10:33 |
| Macer | if you buy them online they usually list their class | 10:34 |
| * ShadowJK couldn't tell much of a difference between N810 immc and a Class 6 card when doing random-write benchmarks | 10:35 | |
| Macer | It still wasn’t worth $1000, but it was worth a lot more than I originally thought. | 10:35 |
| Macer | haha | 10:35 |
| amoult | yeah, I had some old card and it caused severe battery drain problems. Is there list somewhere which card brands/models are known to work well ? ..or is any new card a safe bet? | 10:36 |
| RST38h | SanDisk works. | 10:37 |
| chx | of course | 10:38 |
| RST38h | That is really all one needs to know, given that SanDisk also tends to produce biggest cards | 10:38 |
| chx | just be careful | 10:38 |
| chx | when you buy off eBay or craigslist | 10:38 |
| chx | you can get .... intersting things | 10:38 |
| RST38h | Ah, but, Micro2Mini adapters from SanDisk only works if you buy an SD one (but not SDHC) | 10:38 |
| chx | SanDisk also tends to be expensive. | 10:38 |
| chx | RST38h: wtf? micro2mini is a mechanical adapter | 10:38 |
| RST38h | chx: once 3-4 months pass, it all becomes crap and costs appropriately | 10:38 |
| Macer | ShadowJK: hey | 10:39 |
| RST38h | chx: yea, that is the funny thing :) | 10:39 |
| Macer | was the problem with the JMicron controller? | 10:39 |
| RST38h | chx: it should be just wires, but SDHC adapter from Sandisk does not work in N810 and SD adapter from their 1gb cards does | 10:39 |
| chx | Macer: in general, JMicron is a problem | 10:39 |
| Macer | oh never mind | 10:39 |
| Macer | heh | 10:39 |
| Macer | he explained what was wrong | 10:39 |
| ShadowJK | basically optimizing for the sequential read/write things everybody was benchmarking ;) | 10:40 |
| chx | Macer: ever tried to use a JMicron SATA controller under an OS where the driver does not cover the raw edges like Linux? | 10:40 |
| ShadowJK | It's not entirely jmicron's "fault" wrt SSD.. Flash based storage is different from harddrives... the block sizes are gigantic in comparison | 10:41 |
| chx | "JMicron SATA/IDE controllers are often incompatible with some boot loaders. In particular, those using GRUB, such as Ubuntu, cannot boot in some conditions" | 10:41 |
| chx | Thats all you need to know about JMicron | 10:41 |
| chx | RUN. | 10:41 |
| chx | FAST. | 10:41 |
| Macer | chx: i'm just reading this article about ssds | 10:42 |
| ShadowJK | So the guy complaining typing a line in AIM chat caused his computer to freeze... Well, if the manufacturer of the SSD has parallelled a bunch of mlc controllers in a raid-0 setup to boost sequential write/read performance, the controller might have to read a megabyte of data or more, modify 512 bytes of it, write it back... and do this several times just for one line of chat (the disk IO being caused by the client logging, presumably) | 10:42 |
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| ShadowJK | I think he explains the structure of flash later on :) | 10:43 |
| Macer | haha | 10:43 |
| Macer | yeah | 10:43 |
| Macer | wow that must have sucked | 10:43 |
| Macer | :) | 10:43 |
| amoult | all 4GB or larger miniSD cards are SDHC right? | 10:43 |
| Macer | i would have been seriously pissed... but he is right when he says they were used to making thumb drives and compact flash drives | 10:44 |
| ShadowJK | amoult, yeah I'd think so | 10:44 |
| Macer | after all these vendors and controller manufacturers were used to making USB sticks and CF cards, not hard drives. | 10:44 |
| ShadowJK | Macer, yeah see, it's perfectly fine for digital cameras, video cameras and such, because there all you need is fast sequential write/read :) | 10:44 |
| chx | why would i want more than 2-4gb? | 10:44 |
| chx | i am just asking. | 10:44 |
| RST38h | amoult: yes | 10:44 |
| RST38h | chx: video. | 10:45 |
| RST38h | with audio close second | 10:45 |
| RST38h | also maps | 10:45 |
| chx | video... what codec do we use on that device (mine is being shipped so i do not know yet). H.264? | 10:45 |
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| ShadowJK | mpeg4 asp | 10:46 |
| ShadowJK | h264 isn't that great | 10:46 |
| Macer | x25e 32GB is 12.88/GB | 10:46 |
| Macer | haha | 10:46 |
| ShadowJK | chx, http://wiki.maemo.org/Video_encoding | 10:46 |
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| * RST38h absolutely hates it when the board does not let him go past 400MHz just because SDRAM chip can't pull at 150MHz | 10:49 | |
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| RST38h | On the other hand, at least it supports 64MB SDRAM | 10:50 |
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| chx | Macer: these SSDs are child toys | 10:51 |
| Macer | maybe | 10:52 |
| Macer | i think that a smaller faster drive is better than a larger slower one any day | 10:52 |
| Macer | at least for the OS drive | 10:52 |
| chx | Macer: the real game beings with Fusio-IO ioDrive | 10:52 |
| Macer | haha | 10:53 |
| Macer | that is interesting | 10:53 |
| chx | and then the RamSan boxes | 10:53 |
| ShadowJK | Macer, yeah.. I'm seriously tempted by OCZ Vertez in 16-32GB range.. | 10:53 |
| chx | of course, we our needs are likely to be different | 10:54 |
| Macer | those are server cards tho | 10:54 |
| Macer | pcie 4x for servers | 10:54 |
| chx | Well, I live that | 10:54 |
| Macer | i'd rather use a cf | 10:54 |
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| chx | what do you do when your database shows you the finger runnning on eight 15K disks in a RAID0+1 ? | 10:54 |
| Macer | hahhha | 10:55 |
| Macer | special circumstance | 10:55 |
| Macer | i was looking at ssds in end user use | 10:55 |
| ShadowJK | chx, don't shout at the disks atleast, Sun proved it makes it worse :) | 10:55 |
| Macer | how much are these cards chx ? | 10:56 |
| pupnik_ | loud noises? | 10:56 |
| chx | Macer: 7000 bucks or so | 10:56 |
| chx | Macer: honestly? not too much | 10:56 |
| Macer | for how large? | 10:56 |
| Macer | how much space does $7000 give you for fusionio card? | 10:56 |
| Macer | that would be a $7000 horror if the thing broke on you :) | 10:57 |
| chx | http://www.cdw.com/shop/products/default.aspx?edc=1694945&cm_mmc=ShoppingFeeds-_-GoogleBase-_-Data%20Storage/Drives-_-1694945_FUSION%20160GB%20IODRIVE%20PCIE%20X4_FUI-FS1-B01-160-ES-421 | 10:58 |
| chx | 160gb | 10:58 |
| chx | the 80gb is just 3000 | 10:58 |
| Macer | hahaha | 10:59 |
| Macer | well.. ill read up on them later | 10:59 |
| Macer | i would love to see what types of redundancy they have | 10:59 |
| doc|home | shit, for 3k I'll say 1s and 0s faster than you can imagine | 10:59 |
| Macer | doc|home: haha | 10:59 |
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| Macer | chx: i was looking at end user ssd | 10:59 |
| Macer | i think a fusionio would be a little overkill for my laptop or something :) | 11:00 |
| Macer | well... desktop i guess since they are pcie cards | 11:00 |
| chx | well, if i were to buy SSD in my notebook I would buy an X25-E | 11:00 |
| * ShadowJK tries to find a fast 1GB SD card | 11:00 | |
| ShadowJK | (my previous one died :( ) | 11:00 |
| chx | even this is a bit overkill, but i am wary of MLC | 11:00 |
| Macer | i am wary of everything | 11:00 |
| Macer | like i said.. those things can break too :) | 11:01 |
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| Macer | i mean don't get me wrong.. for $3000 it sure in teh fuck better not.. and you get what you pay for... | 11:01 |
| chx | Video data rate and resolution is limited to about 800Kbps and 400x240 (352x288 on the 770). | 11:01 |
| Macer | but it can happen :) | 11:01 |
| chx | Sucks. | 11:01 |
| chx | MPlayer for Maemo is not as limited as the built-in Media player, and recommended over the built-in player for all users. More video codecs are supported, higher video bitrates and resolutions will play without framedrop, and external subtitles are supported. | 11:01 |
| Macer | chx: yes it does | 11:01 |
| chx | YAY | 11:01 |
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| Macer | but why would you need more for the n800? | 11:02 |
| Macer | it isn't like it's a high def television | 11:02 |
| chx | x240? | 11:02 |
| chx | pfffft | 11:02 |
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| Macer | heh | 11:02 |
| chx | I want 768x480 | 11:02 |
| chx | or so. | 11:03 |
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| Macer | use an n95 then :) | 11:03 |
| Macer | has a hw decoder | 11:03 |
| chx | hah | 11:03 |
| Macer | even if it uses symbian :-\ | 11:03 |
| Macer | damn you nokia | 11:03 |
| chx | i have a Nokia E51 | 11:03 |
| Macer | MAKE A NEW SYMBIAN | 11:03 |
| chx | an external BT GPS receiver | 11:03 |
| Macer | i want iSymbian | 11:03 |
| Macer | hahaha | 11:03 |
| chx | I am already pretty well equipped | 11:04 |
| chx | but the problem is, sometimes I badly need to SSH when not home | 11:04 |
| Macer | you can't ssh from the e51? | 11:04 |
| chx | now, a freedom slim keyboard is 60 bucks | 11:04 |
| ShadowJK | my E70 is nice for SSH, it even has ctrl key :) | 11:04 |
| chx | i have an E70 too, where is HSDPA? | 11:04 |
| Macer | my g1 is great for it | 11:04 |
| Macer | :) | 11:04 |
| chx | the g1 is a) expensive b) low res. | 11:05 |
| chx | the res is important when flying | 11:05 |
| Macer | it was $180 | 11:05 |
| chx | I want to watch videos | 11:05 |
| chx | with a contract | 11:05 |
| ShadowJK | you need hsdpa for ssh? | 11:05 |
| Macer | haha | 11:05 |
| ShadowJK | isn't wcdma enough :) | 11:05 |
| chx | ShadowJK: not just ssh | 11:05 |
| Macer | you want to watch high res vids on a mobile device? | 11:05 |
| Macer | i mean... doesn't he small screen kind of defeat the purpose? | 11:05 |
| chx | just DVD res. | 11:05 |
| ShadowJK | But yeah, I wish nokia would make a new E70 | 11:05 |
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| Macer | you are correct though. g1 only plays lower res vids | 11:06 |
| Macer | but i mean... you can watch them :) i wasn't expecting the imax experience | 11:06 |
| chx | LOL | 11:06 |
| chx | that imax experience is a ie | 11:06 |
| chx | *lie | 11:06 |
| chx | i mean, sure, we have an imax theatre | 11:06 |
| chx | but then again I was in the Metreon in SF | 11:07 |
| chx | that's.... that's... unbelievable | 11:07 |
| Macer | doesn't imax use like | 11:07 |
| chx | I was SO lucky: i spent less than 24 hours in SF (thanks god, i hate that cesspit) and just when 300 was airing in IMAX in the Metreon | 11:07 |
| chx | that was quite a something | 11:07 |
| Macer | 60 frames per sec film or something? | 11:07 |
| Macer | or something faster... like 120 | 11:08 |
| chx | http://gizmodo.com/5250625/cineplexes-getting-imax-but-is-it-really-imax | 11:08 |
| Macer | they're faking imax? :) | 11:08 |
| Macer | our imax is in the museum | 11:08 |
| Macer | or at least it was last i checked. museum of science and industry | 11:08 |
| chx | well its particularly easy to check | 11:09 |
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| chx | if your imax theatre is like seven stories tall, its real :P | 11:10 |
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| chx | i mean, the Metreon screen is 80 feet tall. | 11:11 |
| ShadowJK | "here are two things you don’t want to do when writing to flash: 1) you don’t want to overwrite data, and 2) you don’t want to erase data. If flash were used as a replacement for DVD-Rs then we wouldn’t have a problem, but it’s being used as a replacement for conventional HDDs. Who thought that would be a good idea?" | 11:12 |
| ShadowJK | heh :) | 11:12 |
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| Macer | but this screen is coupled with the removal of several rows of seats which allows it to be scooted roughly 30 feet closer to the audience, creating a sort of sitting too close the TV effect with a screen that, I was told, is perceived as 75 feet wider than before. | 11:13 |
| Macer | chx: our imax was actually this huge dome thing | 11:14 |
| Macer | it's odd that i was just at the museum and didn't think about it :) | 11:14 |
| chx | yeah those domed stuff is cool | 11:16 |
| chx | *are coo | 11:16 |
| chx | we have an IMAX SR screen which shows movies and a real imax in a museum downtown (Vancouver) | 11:17 |
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| chx | but check these super exciting http://www.tribute.ca/theatre/IMAX+Theatre+Canada+Place/IMAXCN movies | 11:19 |
| * chx yawns | 11:19 | |
| pupnik_ | omnitheater | 11:21 |
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| Macer | heh | 11:22 |
| Macer | film costs $40,000? | 11:22 |
| Macer | i don't understand how the projectors are digital and use film. is that like a digital record player ? | 11:23 |
| chx | night | 11:25 |
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| RST38h | Macer: they read digital movies off perforated film | 11:34 |
| RST38h | Still need a special guy to glue it together if it breaks | 11:35 |
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| rhaamo | hi people | 11:45 |
| rhaamo | i've a small problem ... i've changed the password for "locking" a day i think, but i can't remember it :/ and when starting my n810 it prompt for it :( any ideas to reset it without full reinstall ? i've the bootmenu so i can acces it over the network .. | 11:47 |
| pupnik_ | ask the person you stole it from? | 11:48 |
| pupnik_ | just kidding :) | 11:48 |
| rhaamo | :p | 11:48 |
| pupnik_ | hang around rhaamo maybe someone knows | 11:48 |
| rhaamo | yes :) | 11:49 |
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| pupnik_ | can u ssh to device? | 11:51 |
| rhaamo | it start and prompt directly for password, i can't access to the gui to start wifi :p | 11:52 |
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| lcuk | \o | 11:54 |
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| rhaamo | i've the / mounted via the bootmenu, if someone have ideas to remove the password now :) | 12:08 |
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| pupnik_ | http://www.google.com/search?q=maemo+reset+lock+password rhaamo | 12:17 |
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| pupnik_ | rhaamo - powerline | 12:19 |
| pupnik_ | http://lists.maemo.org/pipermail/maemo-users/2008-March/032983.html | 12:19 |
| rhaamo | thx i will try.. | 12:19 |
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| rhaamo | grmbl, can't exec any binary inside /tmp/ | 12:21 |
| ShadowJK | is it just me or does mp3 play and stream just fine with media player even if you force the device into 133Mhz.. | 12:22 |
| tank-man | maybe boot up in single user mode to change password | 12:23 |
| ShadowJK | not that big of a difference in power consumption though | 12:23 |
| ShadowJK | 166 not 133 | 12:24 |
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| lcuk | is there a way i can create a network share on my n810 and access it directly from windows with \\n810\sharename | 12:28 |
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| ShadowJK | I guess you'd need to get the samba server compiled, installed and setup :) | 12:30 |
| lcuk | thx ShadowJK ill look into i | 12:31 |
| lcuk | t | 12:31 |
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| tank-man | quickest way maybe using the debian chroot and installing samba in there and then adding the share thru the web interface | 12:40 |
| tank-man | localhost:901 | 12:40 |
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| lcuk | tank-man, that doesnt sound quick | 12:50 |
| tank-man | i can't think of a quicker alternative | 12:51 |
| tank-man | unless someone made a package for maemo | 12:51 |
| lcuk | well i found sambe is installed | 12:52 |
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| lcuk | samba | 12:52 |
| lcuk | and ive just added an entry to its conf file and rebooted | 12:53 |
| lcuk | and im just seeing :) | 12:53 |
| pupnik_ | hope rx51 can recharge (if slowly) from USB | 12:55 |
| pupnik_ | and simple usb networking would help for those need-to-xfer-fast moments | 12:55 |
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| lardman | morning all | 13:11 |
| lardman | no roundabouts in sight I hope :) | 13:11 |
| lcuk | heh mornin | 13:12 |
| lcuk | damn @ samba not being full server | 13:13 |
| lardman | so it's definitely called a Merry-go-round | 13:14 |
| lardman | and a carousel is a big one | 13:14 |
| lardman | and a roundabout is a thing you try to slide around in a car, while cursing other people who foolishly pull infront of you | 13:14 |
| lardman | s/carousel is a big one/carousel is a big one with horses and stuff | 13:15 |
| lardman | lcuk: how's Tracy? | 13:18 |
| lcuk | sleeping, she tried to go to work this mornin but came back an hour later | 13:19 |
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| lardman | what's up? | 13:19 |
| lcuk | just a bit poorly | 13:19 |
| lardman | ah, poor thing, pass on my best wishes | 13:19 |
| lcuk | wil do :) | 13:19 |
| lcuk | ive apparantly found an implementation of sshfs for windows! | 13:20 |
| lcuk | thats free! | 13:20 |
| lardman | hmm, my computer seems to think it's 31/12/07 | 13:20 |
| lardman | very odd | 13:20 |
| lcuk | but it IS 31/12/07 - you mustv drunk too much wine last night | 13:21 |
| lardman | hmm | 13:21 |
| lardman | fell through a black hole! | 13:21 |
| lcuk | no? its 31/12/2107 ?? | 13:21 |
| lcuk | didnt you watch the pluto landing last week? | 13:22 |
| lardman | oi | 13:22 |
| lardman | hmm, I'm sure I didn't have a 5' beard when I went to bed last night | 13:22 |
| lcuk | :D | 13:22 |
| lcuk | you missed your wedding and everything! | 13:23 |
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| lardman | :D | 13:23 |
| lardman | damn Amazon and their MP3 downloads, I want a CD! | 13:24 |
| lardman | or do they not exist anymore? | 13:24 |
| lardman | probably holographic laser implants of some such | 13:24 |
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| lcuk | heh cds are good but you are right they are fading | 13:26 |
| lcuk | sshfs to windows works! | 13:26 |
| lcuk | and it was free :D | 13:26 |
| lcuk | and open source ish | 13:26 |
| lardman | good good | 13:26 |
| lcuk | for people wanting to use it themselves its: dokan sshfs | 13:26 |
| lcuk | im viewing my maemo stuff in windows easily :) | 13:27 |
| lcuk | (thats for the benfit of google searchers :D) | 13:27 |
| lcuk | thats actually really good to do | 13:27 |
| lardman | so my comment about roundabouts should now stretch out and educate the world(s)? | 13:28 |
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| lcuk | yeah lol | 13:29 |
| lcuk | but its still a roundabout | 13:29 |
| lcuk | we have never called them merrygorounds | 13:29 |
| lcuk | cos they aint merry | 13:29 |
| lardman | I don't know what you let your children do, but I certainly wouldn't let mine play on one, even on the grassy bit in the moddle | 13:29 |
| lardman | middle | 13:29 |
| lardman | ;) | 13:29 |
| lcuk | heh | 13:29 |
| lardman | well the feeling you get is the same as when you get a bit too "merry" | 13:30 |
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| lardman | I think it works on many levels :) | 13:30 |
| lcuk | i like how some cities make roundabouts a centre piece and so you can use them for directions | 13:30 |
| lardman | Milton Keynes? | 13:31 |
| lardman | The problem with directions near roundabouts is that you're usually lining up for the best line through, hard to read the signs (and the bloody speed limit changes they often stick there too!) | 13:31 |
| lcuk | yeah, but i meant abroad | 13:32 |
| lardman | ah gay Paris | 13:32 |
| derf | John Maynard Friedman? | 13:32 |
| derf | What? | 13:32 |
| lcuk | milton is a nightmare no matter how well you dress it up | 13:32 |
| lardman | has nice concrete cows though | 13:32 |
| lardman | http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Concrete_Cows just in case you don't know | 13:33 |
| derf | There's actually a town named Milton Keynes? | 13:33 |
| lardman | yep | 13:33 |
| glass | ye | 13:33 |
| derf | That's... awesome, I suppose. | 13:33 |
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| lardman | poety + economics, I wonder if that was the effect the town planners were after...? | 13:34 |
| derf | I was thinking of a different Milton. | 13:35 |
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| thopiekar | is there somebody familar in chrooting and xephyr? | 14:23 |
| lcuk | qole is chroot king | 14:23 |
| thopiekar | hmm when is he usually online? | 14:24 |
| lcuk | catch him in itt | 14:25 |
| lcuk | t.m.o tather | 14:25 |
| lcuk | rather | 14:25 |
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| Macer | blah | 15:53 |
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| Macer | ugh. i'm at some usmc administrative screening | 15:56 |
| Macer | and they are playing this song over and over and over and it is driving me nuts | 15:57 |
| Macer | i wonder if they have subliminal shit in it that tries to get you to re-enlist | 15:57 |
| Macer | haha | 15:57 |
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| fiferboy_n810 | lbt: Hey | 16:25 |
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| RST38h | http://www.engadget.com/2009/05/16/keepin-it-real-fake-part-ccvii-nokla-batman-mobile-phone-gets/ | 16:36 |
| RST38h | (but will it pair? =)) | 16:36 |
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| lbt | fiferboy_n810: hi | 16:39 |
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| fiferboy_n810 | lbt: Got your latest code | 16:41 |
| fiferboy_n810 | It fixes the scrollbar jumping at the bottom | 16:41 |
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| RST38h | Anyone knows what package I have to install in Ubuntu to get Xlib.h and other X11 headers | 17:09 |
| soap | apt-cache search? | 17:11 |
| RST38h | search what? | 17:12 |
| * RST38h isn't familiar with apt-cache syntax | 17:13 | |
| yerga | RST38h, libx11-dev? | 17:13 |
| yerga | a useful site is http://packages.ubuntu.com/ | 17:14 |
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| yerga | the section named 'Search the contents of packages' | 17:14 |
| RST38h | yerga: thanks! | 17:14 |
| * RST38h admits that was kinda obvious but he is stupid and used to get all this stuff by default | 17:14 | |
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| lopz | hola | 17:21 |
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| Jaffa | Af'noon | 17:26 |
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| keesj | RST38h: dpkg -S Xlib.h | 17:44 |
| keesj | libx11-dev: /usr/include/X11/Xlib.h | 17:44 |
| RST38h | keesj: ! | 17:45 |
| GAN800 | Hi, Jaffa. | 17:49 |
| keesj | jeremiah uses apt-file search Catalyst/Devel.pm | 17:51 |
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| GAN800 | lcuk, mind moving that to the wiki? | 18:15 |
| lcuk | yes i do mind lol, im working :) it proves qole and jaffa etcs point | 18:16 |
| lcuk | i dont know wiki syntax nor do i care to learn it again for little things | 18:16 |
| lcuk | if its wanted put it there please :) | 18:16 |
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| Macer | omfg | 18:21 |
| RST38h | ? | 18:21 |
| Macer | this shit is reminding me why i didnt re-enlist | 18:21 |
| Macer | the marine corps was like living in the dmv. and i mean the old wait in long ass lines dmv | 18:22 |
| Macer | not the new grab the ticket shit | 18:22 |
| RST38h | What happened anyway? | 18:23 |
| Macer | i am stuck in an inactive ready reserve brief for people who arent active anymore but still obligated for inactive time | 18:24 |
| Macer | and i am dying to go home | 18:24 |
| RST38h | Oh... | 18:24 |
| RST38h | Do they at least pay you for it? | 18:24 |
| Macer | yeah. $200 | 18:25 |
| Macer | from 830-1200 | 18:25 |
| RST38h | For a day of listening to martial bullshit? | 18:25 |
| Macer | but i dont need the money | 18:25 |
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| Macer | yup | 18:25 |
| Macer | and filling out forms | 18:25 |
| Macer | its torture | 18:25 |
| * RST38h didn't get paid for this crap back at the university | 18:26 | |
| Macer | i hope they end it in a couple minutes | 18:26 |
| RST38h | And cellular networks did not exist. | 18:26 |
| Macer | lol | 18:27 |
| thux | RST38h: how long ago that was? | 18:27 |
| RST38h | thux: 1989-1991 | 18:27 |
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| thux | ok | 18:27 |
| RST38h | thux: At some point, I just stopped coming there, figured that I am gonna leave for US anyway so they have no legal leverage on me | 18:28 |
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| thux | ok | 18:29 |
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| GAN800 | lcuk, there isn't anything to learn. | 19:15 |
| GAN800 | You can paste the existing text block in there. | 19:15 |
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| dmsuperman | How do I mount my n800 to my computer with my usb cable? | 19:22 |
| dmsuperman | I forgot | 19:22 |
| Stskeeps | plug it in? :P | 19:22 |
| Stskeeps | it acts as a usb mass storage cable | 19:22 |
| Stskeeps | err. storage | 19:22 |
| dmsuperman | Hrm, it's not showing up :S | 19:22 |
| dmsuperman | Does the device need to be on? | 19:22 |
| Razumihin | Yes. | 19:23 |
| Razumihin | Both the n800 and the computer. | 19:23 |
| Stskeeps | doesnt turn on on its own, nor charges through usb | 19:23 |
| Razumihin | ;) | 19:23 |
| dmsuperman | Is there something magic I need for doing it with linux on the PC? | 19:23 |
| Razumihin | you could manually mount it if you know where it's located under /dev. | 19:24 |
| Razumihin | But if you're using standard ubuntu it should mount. | 19:24 |
| dmsuperman | fdisk -l isn't listing it is my issue :P | 19:25 |
| yerga | dmesg? | 19:25 |
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| GAN800 | Got a pbnb for lunch but forgot chips. | 20:38 |
| GAN800 | /dumbass | 20:38 |
| Stskeeps | hehe | 20:38 |
| Stskeeps | i read it as having penguinbait for lunch :P | 20:38 |
| RST38h | umgh | 20:38 |
| * GAN800 puts a bullet through his brain. | 20:39 | |
| GAN800 | RST38h, had any luck with the Messaging beta on the 5800? | 20:39 |
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| Stskeeps | regretting the 5800 purchase? :P | 20:48 |
| RST38h | GAN: No, I moved it to a folder named Trash and installed an ICQ client | 20:49 |
| RST38h | same with Download and a few other programs | 20:49 |
| GAN800 | Stskeeps, meh, it's a pretty decent phone, but I was expecting more stability and polish. | 20:50 |
| RST38h | it feeels ok if you do not purposely step onto Nokia "services" | 20:51 |
| GAN800 | RST38h, I installed it, it worked once (and looked quite nice) then choked on my gmail inbox and I haven't been able to get anything besides the default mail client since. | 20:51 |
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| RST38h | Public opinion kinda indicates that ProfiMail is the best S60 mail client | 20:53 |
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| RST38h | I would install a cracked version to test, then buy it if you like it | 20:54 |
| RST38h | 22 euros | 20:54 |
| GAN800 | Yeesh | 20:55 |
| GAN800 | I'll just wait for the FOSS Fremantle Modest. . . . | 20:56 |
| Stskeeps | isn't it open source? | 20:56 |
| Stskeeps | it's in fremantle beta afaik | 20:56 |
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| RST38h | GAN: Stakes are low in favor of that :) :( | 20:56 |
| GAN800 | RST38h, did you see the screencast? | 20:56 |
| RST38h | Yes, I did | 20:57 |
| RST38h | But that does not say anything about stability unfortunately | 20:57 |
| GAN800 | Stskeeps, my point was in comparison to the fscking expensice commercial S60 client. ;) | 20:57 |
| GAN800 | RST38h, meh. | 20:57 |
| RST38h | If you remember the Diablo Modest could not even connect to many accounts (including GMail) and still has problems connecting | 20:57 |
| GAN800 | Lunch over. :( | 20:57 |
| RST38h | GAN: Builtin S60 email client is actually ok, although not stellar | 20:58 |
| RST38h | IM client: http://www.series60v5.net/index.php?categoryid=8&p13_sectionid=3&p13_fileid=18 (it was free last time I checked, so you won't violate anything installing it) | 20:59 |
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