| lcuk | silence at the expense of extra limbs! | 00:00 |
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| GeneralAntilles | They need to get a Honda powerplant | 00:00 |
| GeneralAntilles | Those things are silent. | 00:00 |
| RST38h | that is the gasoline engine they are using | 00:00 |
| RST38h | besides, do you really want It to approach silently behind your back? =) | 00:01 |
| lcuk | it should drag a chain behind it and let out a low tense breathing sound | 00:01 |
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| GeneralAntilles | It's like painting a giant bullseye on the squad | 00:01 |
| lcuk | it depends where it would be used | 00:02 |
| GeneralAntilles | Squads like that don't generally move around in areas where combat isn't a possibility. | 00:03 |
| * RST38h suspects that is NOT what will be used, but THIS will: http://www.metacafe.com/watch/533982/spy_plane_predator/ | 00:03 | |
| GeneralAntilles | The average pack load has gotten pretty ridiculous in recent years. | 00:04 |
| GeneralAntilles | For carrying cargo? | 00:04 |
| RST38h | For hitting targets | 00:04 |
| lbt | Qt now runs on Mer ;) http://www.flickr.com/photos/96141280@N00/3508663122/ I hereby declare it day-2-day usable.... ;) | 00:04 |
| RST38h | Isn't this what people with guns were originally for? | 00:04 |
| GeneralAntilles | The big dog is for carrying cargo. | 00:05 |
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| RST38h | Yea, I know | 00:05 |
| GeneralAntilles | lbt, xserver work yet> | 00:05 |
| RST38h | All I mean is that it makes more political sense to use small plane airstrikes instead | 00:05 |
| lbt | bootifully | 00:05 |
| GeneralAntilles | Eh, they tried initially in Iraq | 00:06 |
| GeneralAntilles | Fact of the matter you need troops on the ground | 00:06 |
| RST38h | Once you place people on the ground, you have got a potential PR problem on your hands | 00:06 |
| RST38h | General: Depends on what you want to do. If you want to occupy places then yes | 00:06 |
| RST38h | Occupying Iraq or Afghanistan is pretty stupid though. | 00:07 |
| GeneralAntilles | Nationbuilding silliness is about as stupid as it gets | 00:07 |
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| lcuk | OMG @ what quim just realised | 00:08 |
| RST38h | General: Exactly | 00:09 |
| RST38h | And if US wants to hit a bunch of towelheads, the Predator and/or marines will do the job with minimal potential damage | 00:10 |
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| StsN800 | lcuk: its official: maemo.org is bad for your fingers. | 00:11 |
| johnx | lbt, congrats. very cool. | 00:13 |
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| lbt | johnx: thanks ;) | 00:15 |
| lbt | it works well | 00:15 |
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| GeneralAntilles | Just a heads up to Mer developers. I'm going to find a new thing to harp on until everything is 100% feature-complete compared to Maemo, so don't get disheartened by it. :P | 00:19 |
| lcuk | :D lbt, so the gradient thingy slicing bug is cured, or this is that it made it through obs? | 00:19 |
| lbt | this is the 'old' version using css | 00:19 |
| lbt | css didn't have the bug | 00:20 |
| lcuk | yeah, i meant the version of qt | 00:20 |
| lbt | Oh, Qt still has the bug for gradients | 00:20 |
| lcuk | did obs take much wrangling? | 00:20 |
| lbt | I just don't use that kind of gradient | 00:20 |
| lbt | no | 00:20 |
| lcuk | yeah completely understandable | 00:20 |
| lbt | stupid bug in xargs | 00:20 |
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| lcuk | ahhh yeah i heard you mentioning | 00:21 |
| lbt | and qt-dev tries to setup scratchbox... | 00:21 |
| lcuk | something about 48.9k vs 50k or something | 00:21 |
| lbt | stupid stupid stupid bug | 00:21 |
| lbt | yeah args_max | 00:21 |
| lbt | max chars on a command line | 00:21 |
| lcuk | off by 1? | 00:21 |
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| GeneralAntilles | http://developers.slashdot.org/article.pl?sid=09/05/06/2050216 | 00:21 |
| GeneralAntilles | Hum | 00:21 |
| lcuk | heh | 00:21 |
| lbt | off by 230945 | 00:21 |
| johnx | GeneralAntilles, depends on how you harp on them. :P | 00:21 |
| lcuk | is that arm specific thou? | 00:22 |
| lcuk | or something generally | 00:22 |
| lcuk | in the config | 00:22 |
| GeneralAntilles | johnx, anytime somebody mentions day-to-day usable. ;) | 00:23 |
| lbt | xargs/qemu I think | 00:23 |
| lbt | maybe sysconf is to blame? | 00:23 |
| johnx | GeneralAntilles, everyone has their own metric :P | 00:23 |
| lcuk | dunno, dun care - you solved it :D | 00:23 |
| lcuk | which is a win | 00:23 |
| GeneralAntilles | Anybody have a better history on that issue? Sounds like a pretty intense metric. | 00:23 |
| GeneralAntilles | johnx, mine is the shitty xserver at the moment. ;) | 00:23 |
| GeneralAntilles | Once that's fixed, it'll be the finger keyboard | 00:23 |
| johnx | GeneralAntilles, finger keyboard should come as soon as Nokia gives us source (or is that source out already?) | 00:24 |
| GeneralAntilles | Dunno if it was included in the beta | 00:24 |
| lbt | virtual keyb you mean? | 00:24 |
| johnx | yeah, the software "finger" keyboard (as opposed to the software "stylus" keyboard) | 00:25 |
| lcuk | do you have one with extra extra big keys? :$ | 00:25 |
| GeneralAntilles | Finger keyboard is what I mean | 00:25 |
| * lbt is ignorant | 00:25 | |
| GeneralAntilles | The virtual keyboard is the half-screen stylus keyboard | 00:25 |
| GeneralAntilles | The finger keyboard is the fullscreen keyboard | 00:26 |
| GeneralAntilles | The hardware keyboard is the hardware keyboard | 00:26 |
| johnx | though even in Nokia they don't seem to be entirely consistent in naming | 00:26 |
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| GeneralAntilles | Which is why we have to be. ;) | 00:26 |
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| lcuk | how are bluetooth keystroked registered - ie from bluemaemo to another nokia device? | 00:27 |
| GeneralAntilles | Bluemaemo is a serial keyboard | 00:27 |
| GeneralAntilles | Most are HID | 00:27 |
| lcuk | just another definition | 00:28 |
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| penguinbait | lcuk, I loaded liqbase after watching the video, is that version available somewhere? Is this your next version? | 00:38 |
| lcuk | yeah, its the one im working on right now | 00:39 |
| penguinbait | I love the drawing program, I used it in a meeting to design some virtual servers today, it was cool | 00:39 |
| lcuk | me too :) | 00:39 |
| lcuk | i just like drawing over everything | 00:40 |
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| penguinbait | what new functionality is coming in new version? | 00:40 |
| penguinbait | and when do you anticipate it will be done? | 00:41 |
| lcuk | hopefully quite a bit | 00:41 |
| lcuk | i just noticed its not a priv server anymore | 00:41 |
| lcuk | keesj has posted a git clone of it | 00:41 |
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| penguinbait | lcuk, you said your using gcc on tablet, do you also have autoconf and make? | 00:43 |
| lcuk | no autoconf not dpkg-buildpackage | 00:43 |
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| VDVsx | lcuk, bluemaemo use the bluetooth hid profile | 00:55 |
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| lcuk | yeah VDVsx i meant how does the other end distinguish input as differently to virtual/finger/hardware keys | 00:57 |
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| VDVsx | lcuk, is like a usb keyboard, the bluetooth link send the commands to the kernel and the kernel redirect them to the normal usb-hid control :P | 01:00 |
| lcuk | i know.. | 01:00 |
| VDVsx | so should be seen as hardware keystrokes | 01:00 |
| lcuk | that wasnt what i was getting at - basically gan mentioned 3 ways to get key input in, bluemaemo is a 4th | 01:01 |
| lcuk | yeah | 01:01 |
| VDVsx | virtual input = finger input | 01:01 |
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| johnx | and from an app point of view, bluetooth keyboard, usb keyboard and input from another device running blue maemo should be pretty much indistinguishable | 01:03 |
| VDVsx | lcuk, i.e I only see two input ways in the app, virtual keyboard (finger, stylues) or hardware keyboard (usb, bluetooth, device buttons) | 01:04 |
| VDVsx | johnx, true | 01:04 |
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| lcuk | gnite chaps | 01:08 |
| VDVsx | gnite lcuk | 01:08 |
| johnx | 'night lcuk | 01:09 |
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| penguinbait | QOLE (Quality of Life Enhancements) how appropiate | 01:36 |
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| GAN800 | penguinbait, always the classy one, eh? | 01:47 |
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| lardman | evening | 01:49 |
| lardman | anyone have handy the link to the online browsable tablet kernel source? | 01:49 |
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| luke-jr | lardman: Diablo or latest OMAP Linux? | 01:50 |
| lardman | ah found it: http://mxr.maemo.org/ | 01:50 |
| lardman | thanks though | 01:50 |
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| lardman | I just got a useful reply back from Startech.com (usb2vga people), which is nice | 01:59 |
| GAN800 | Just buy it. :P | 02:00 |
| lardman | I dunno which one though! | 02:00 |
| lardman | I'm tempted by the 4-in-1 now as it has built in power, better than fiddling with powered hubs etc | 02:00 |
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| GAN800 | Sis-based? | 02:01 |
| lardman | no idea, but a chap on itt has got it recognised by that driver so one assumes so | 02:01 |
| lardman | shame these companies don't publish a bit more info on the chipsets, even the usb ids would be better than nothing | 02:02 |
| * lardman goes to put the recycling out | 02:03 | |
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| GAN800 | lardman's ultra-modern home doesn't generate any trash? | 02:04 |
| GAN800 | ohshit! There it is, reductio ad Hitlerum http://talk.maemo.org/showpost.php?p=285045&postcount=149 | 02:05 |
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| lardman | GAN800: so much trash I have to split it into recycling and non, otherwise I can't get it all out in one go ;) | 02:08 |
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| lardman | nothing wrong with saluting victory.... | 02:10 |
| GAN800 | lol | 02:10 |
| johnx | 'later all. off to SoCal for a couple days :D woo! | 02:11 |
| GAN800 | Have fun | 02:11 |
| lardman | +1 | 02:11 |
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| lardman | fyi this is what I was talking about: http://talk.maemo.org/showpost.php?p=282019&postcount=49 | 02:12 |
| johnx | lardman, cool beans :) | 02:13 |
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| [A2K] | why i can not install python2.5-qt4? | 02:21 |
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| [A2K] | http://dumpz.org/8334/ | 02:21 |
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| [A2K] | from extras-devel | 02:21 |
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| [A2K] | looks like python2.5-qt4-core is version 4.4.3-maemo9, but all other qt4 packages require -maemo7 | 02:22 |
| [A2K] | where to get python2.5-qt4-core_4.4.3-maemo7_armel.deb ? | 02:22 |
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| GAN800 | Strict dependencies? | 02:24 |
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| penguinbait | GAN800, did I do something? | 02:41 |
| GAN800 | The personal attacks are nice. | 02:41 |
| penguinbait | on who? | 02:42 |
| GAN800 | Me | 02:42 |
| penguinbait | huh? | 02:42 |
| penguinbait | how did I attack you? | 02:42 |
| penguinbait | If you would ave said GA, ok, I take that one | 02:42 |
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| GAN800 | /whois is your friend | 02:43 |
| GAN800 | At least I manage to avoid personal attacks when discussing things with people | 02:43 |
| zakkm | whats wrong with GA? | 02:43 |
| xnt14 | ? | 02:43 |
| lardman | night all | 02:43 |
| GAN800 | and you think the council is creating a divide. . . . | 02:43 |
| xnt14 | lardman: night | 02:43 |
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| penguinbait | haha | 02:43 |
| penguinbait | you want to replay the IRC logs from yesterday | 02:44 |
| penguinbait | I liked the troll GA | 02:44 |
| penguinbait | http://talk.maemo.org/showpost.php?p=285042&postcount=16 | 02:44 |
| xnt14 | pb: wtf? | 02:45 |
| penguinbait | I think that the council is creating a divide? | 02:45 |
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| penguinbait | I think that the council is divided, when you are attaking qole | 02:45 |
| penguinbait | on public forums | 02:46 |
| GAN800 | There was no attack | 02:46 |
| GAN800 | I was calling him out for denigrating a maemo.org staff member for no purpose. | 02:46 |
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| penguinbait | if you think so | 02:47 |
| GAN800 | Re-read my post. | 02:47 |
| penguinbait | I think you were denigrating him for no purpose | 02:47 |
| Knirch | you called him out since he pointed out you saying bugzilla is not a suuport tool... .. what? | 02:48 |
| GAN800 | Then you need to read the bug | 02:48 |
| GAN800 | Knirch, nah, earlier, the smoking comment response. | 02:48 |
| Knirch | s/tool/system/ | 02:48 |
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| infobot | Knirch meant: you called him out since he pointed out you saying bugzilla is not a suuport system... .. what? | 02:48 |
| penguinbait | One of the responsibilities of being a council member is to not encourage discord when it's neither merited nor deserved | 02:48 |
| GAN800 | penguinbait, do you think his comment towards X-Fade was justified? | 02:49 |
| penguinbait | I guess I can see how you think this is appropiate comment to make to another council member | 02:49 |
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| GAN800 | Yes/no? | 02:51 |
| GAN800 | Was that justified or not? | 02:51 |
| penguinbait | I guess send me the post I dont know I don't see it | 02:53 |
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| GeneralAntilles | http://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?p=284901 | 02:54 |
| GeneralAntilles | Post #32 | 02:54 |
| GeneralAntilles | Which has since been edited. | 02:54 |
| GeneralAntilles | The removed text is available in post #34 | 02:55 |
| GeneralAntilles | penguinbait, this is the root of my beef with qole. | 02:55 |
| GeneralAntilles | I could see how you might think that it was an unjustified "attack" on my part if you didn't realize what the root of the discussion was. | 02:55 |
| Knirch | I don't get it | 02:55 |
| GeneralAntilles | Knirch, qole essentially accused X-Fade of being hostile to bug reporters. | 02:56 |
| GeneralAntilles | See this bug for the "hostility" https://bugs.maemo.org/show_bug.cgi?id=4417 | 02:57 |
| GeneralAntilles | jandmdickerson's post turned out to be a joke, but qole reacted as if there was actual hostility. http://talk.maemo.org/showpost.php?p=284787&postcount=31 | 02:57 |
| penguinbait | Well its hard to comment on any of this as I do not see X-fades remarks, only in your post | 02:58 |
| GeneralAntilles | penguinbait, please see his comment on bug #4417 which is linked above. | 02:58 |
| GeneralAntilles | There is no hostility | 02:58 |
| GeneralAntilles | Which is why I took issue with qole's post. | 02:58 |
| Knirch | I still don't get it | 03:00 |
| Knirch | how is this relevant to the discussion in the forum | 03:00 |
| Knirch | thread hijackers! | 03:00 |
| penguinbait | I am getting lost in all this, but, the fact is, you should have taken it offline with him, not tried to adminish him in the forum | 03:00 |
| penguinbait | whether he did or not, | 03:01 |
| penguinbait | s/adminish/admonish | 03:01 |
| GeneralAntilles | Open is open | 03:01 |
| GeneralAntilles | I wasn't really prepared to let that sit in the open uncontested. | 03:02 |
| GeneralAntilles | perhaps I should have taken it up in private, but I generally don't think like that. | 03:02 |
| penguinbait | Your not really prepared to let much sit GA | 03:02 |
| Knirch | *headdesk* | 03:02 |
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| GeneralAntilles | Not when someone is attacking somebody else without reason. | 03:02 |
| penguinbait | If it was any other member I would agree | 03:02 |
| GeneralAntilles | penguinbait, perhaps you need to set your bias aside then. | 03:02 |
| penguinbait | But I think as council members, it would have been better to take that offline | 03:02 |
| GeneralAntilles | penguinbait, and I'd appreciate if you could avoid personal attacks in the future | 03:03 |
| penguinbait | me to GA | 03:03 |
| GeneralAntilles | as it doesn't nothing but break down discussions to bickering. | 03:03 |
| penguinbait | I would appreciate it if you would stop | 03:03 |
| GeneralAntilles | What personal attack, exactly? | 03:03 |
| penguinbait | You came into this chat room yesterday and attacked me for 5 minutes straight | 03:03 |
| GeneralAntilles | I didn't attack you. | 03:04 |
| GeneralAntilles | Attacks look like this: http://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?p=285033#post285033 | 03:05 |
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| GeneralAntilles | Your definition of "attack" seems to be rather different from mine. | 03:06 |
| penguinbait | 16 was perhaps an attack as I made you look like a troll, 14 was just the truth | 03:06 |
| GeneralAntilles | Sounds like an opinion to me. | 03:07 |
| GeneralAntilles | But, really, when you spend the past few days doing what you've been doing, you shouldn't expect mild responses. | 03:07 |
| penguinbait | what have I been doing GA? | 03:08 |
| penguinbait | soliciting community support for my agenda? | 03:08 |
| GeneralAntilles | penguinbait, an awful lot of spewing of bile. | 03:08 |
| penguinbait | you could learn from that? | 03:08 |
| GeneralAntilles | A lot of shouting, and a lot of attacks flinging left and right. | 03:08 |
| penguinbait | Sure GA, thats what happened | 03:09 |
| GeneralAntilles | Clearly you and I don't see eye to eye (or even seem to be seeing the same reality. . . .) | 03:11 |
| penguinbait | this is true GA, but its not a new thing | 03:11 |
| GeneralAntilles | I just ask that you don't tear the whole place down while you're gathering your "community support" | 03:11 |
| GeneralAntilles | Because you're doing a pretty damn good job at the moment. | 03:11 |
| penguinbait | What I really want you to understand is that I am not alone, and we are not all wrong. | 03:11 |
| penguinbait | So its the people that are upset with the changes that were made that are tearing the community apart, not the changes themselves | 03:12 |
| penguinbait | I personally think its neither the chanes nor the people asking for additional changes. It is the response those people get when they attemp to request additional options that is ruining the community | 03:13 |
| timeless_mbp | fwiw, i'm flying west in <6hrs | 03:16 |
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| timeless_mbp | i'll be back eventually | 03:16 |
| zakkm | is the maemo danish weekend this weekend? | 03:16 |
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| timeless_mbp | no | 03:19 |
| timeless_mbp | this is something else | 03:19 |
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| sp3000 | have fun at your something else! :) | 03:58 |
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| AndrewFBlack | Hello | 04:04 |
| GeneralAntilles | Howdy | 04:06 |
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| AndrewFBlack | PBs poll nees another option I'm coming to forums less becuase of this thread http://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?t=28648 | 04:13 |
| AndrewFBlack | anyone have any comments on talks minimalist theme screenshots I've posted? | 04:14 |
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| GeneralAntilles | I didn't see the screenshots, were they in the first post? | 04:17 |
| AndrewFBlack | yeah | 04:17 |
| GeneralAntilles | Hum, wonder how heavy a maemo.org gif would be for the header. | 04:19 |
| AndrewFBlack | I thought about it | 04:20 |
| AndrewFBlack | anyone have a photoshop file or a png of that file? | 04:20 |
| GeneralAntilles | http://maemo.org/legal/terms_of_use/trademarks/logos/ | 04:20 |
| GeneralAntilles | ~mo-logos is http://maemo.org/legal/terms_of_use/trademarks/logos/ | 04:21 |
| infobot | GeneralAntilles: okay | 04:21 |
| GeneralAntilles | AndrewFBlack, I'd almost say it'd be nice to clone the rounded box style from maemo.org, but it's really a waste of bandwidth and rendering time. | 04:25 |
| GeneralAntilles | It's too bad WebKit chokes on the CSS boxes and they don't really work elsewhere | 04:26 |
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| AndrewFBlack | lol it had round boxes before but I removed them people everyone said it was wasted of rendering time | 04:29 |
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| AndrewFBlack | http://i133.photobucket.com/albums/q41/andrewfblack/Ss-1.png what you thing GeneralAntilles | 04:39 |
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| AndrewFBlack | b-man you tried using openoffice base on Mer yet? | 04:41 |
| b-man | nope, not yet | 04:41 |
| AndrewFBlack | well I guess I'll just have to try it for myself | 04:41 |
| b-man | :) | 04:42 |
| AndrewFBlack | got a database at work I use daily and would love to use tablet with it | 04:42 |
| * b-man wants to install gimp | 04:42 | |
| AndrewFBlack | lol will it run? | 04:42 |
| b-man | yes XD | 04:42 |
| AndrewFBlack | well? | 04:42 |
| b-man | yup | 04:43 |
| AndrewFBlack | cool | 04:43 |
| * b-man made his ubuntu rescue menu with gimp on his tablet ;) | 04:43 | |
| b-man | +splash | 04:44 |
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| Andrewfblack | there back in a decent irc client | 04:49 |
| b-man | xchat? | 04:49 |
| Andrewfblack | I give up on a free open source irc client on windows | 04:49 |
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| Andrewfblack | Mirc | 04:49 |
| zakkm | mirc is windows only | 04:50 |
| zakkm | isnt it? | 04:50 |
| * b-man doesn't ever use Windows | 04:50 | |
| b-man | unless i'm forced lol | 04:50 |
| zakkm | xchat is a good alternate to xchat | 04:50 |
| fireun | um | 04:50 |
| zakkm | very similar | 04:50 |
| fireun | irssi | 04:50 |
| Andrewfblack | yeah Mirc is windows I use several windows computers | 04:50 |
| zakkm | on tablet? | 04:50 |
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| zakkm | irssi? | 04:50 |
| zakkm | that sounds really bad | 04:51 |
| Andrewfblack | xchat for windows is nice but its not free | 04:51 |
| b-man | indeed :P | 04:51 |
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| Andrewfblack | I was trying to stay open source and all on even windows when I can but I was using Berirc and it doens't evne have auto complete for peoples names | 04:55 |
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| Macer | wow | 04:55 |
| Macer | i threw out my back and had to go to the ER | 04:55 |
| dhp | hey | 04:55 |
| Macer | thank god we don't have national healthcare :) | 04:56 |
| dhp | got a bit of a maemo question | 04:56 |
| dhp | not sure how the input interface works.. | 04:56 |
| dhp | i've got that python2.5-edje-demo keyboard installed.. i'd like to make it the default | 04:56 |
| dhp | how would I go about that? | 04:56 |
| luke-jr | Andrewfblack: my desktop system is 100% Free software | 04:56 |
| luke-jr | Andrewfblack: and FYI, X-Chat is Free always, even on Windows | 04:57 |
| Andrewfblack | luke-jr your right but the nice packaged windows install for xchat isn't free | 04:58 |
| luke-jr | Andrewfblack: no? so compile it yourself | 04:58 |
| Andrewfblack | well I have things like gimp but I also have my photoshop depending on what i'm working on | 04:58 |
| * Andrewfblack is to lazy | 04:58 | |
| luke-jr | ah, Windows is still stuck w GIMP | 04:59 |
| Andrewfblack | GeneralAntilles you around? | 04:59 |
| dhp | or does anyone know where I might start looking as to how maemo handles the onscreen vkbd ? | 05:01 |
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| GeneralAntilles | Andrewfblack, vaguely. | 05:02 |
| GeneralAntilles | Andrewfblack, I'll see if I can do a gif with a real background. | 05:03 |
| Andrewfblack | I can | 05:03 |
| Andrewfblack | shouldn't matter should it? | 05:04 |
| Andrewfblack | image looks like crap because I recolored it after I resized it | 05:05 |
| GeneralAntilles | Ah | 05:05 |
| Andrewfblack | was more of a quick how does this look kind of thing | 05:06 |
| GeneralAntilles | Andrewfblack, I wonder if it'd be worth putting the rest of the header links and left-aligning the logo at some point. | 05:06 |
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| penguinbait | viva la community | 05:08 |
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| GeneralAntilles | Andrewfblack, I'm thinking it might be worthwile to either remove or move some of the stuff in the top navbar | 05:10 |
| GeneralAntilles | It's consuming a lot of space at the top of the page | 05:10 |
| Andrewfblack | like? | 05:10 |
| GeneralAntilles | alternatively it may be easier just to move the whole block to the bottom | 05:10 |
| GeneralAntilles | You know how the member name in the header on the regular Talk theme links to the user's "home" page? | 05:11 |
| Andrewfblack | wouldn't it suck to have to scroll all the way down for new post link | 05:11 |
| GeneralAntilles | The subscriptions, buddy list, and user cp can probably be accessed from there | 05:11 |
| GeneralAntilles | I'm proposing that the Talk FAQ be dropped totally in bugzilla | 05:12 |
| Andrewfblack | ok | 05:12 |
| GeneralAntilles | Can you reduce "Forum Home" to "Home easily? | 05:12 |
| Andrewfblack | Yep | 05:12 |
| GeneralAntilles | Maybe "New" and "Today" for New Posts and Today's Posts? | 05:12 |
| GeneralAntilles | and, actually, maybe unbold the whole thing. | 05:13 |
| Andrewfblack | well if I drop FAQ, move subscrions and buddy list ot user cp, then shorten Forum Home,New Posts, and Todays post it should take up no more then one line | 05:14 |
| GeneralAntilles | Yeah, that'll be good | 05:15 |
| Andrewfblack | Member list can go to user CP as well | 05:15 |
| GeneralAntilles | OK, look here: http://talk.maemo.org/ | 05:15 |
| GeneralAntilles | See how the forum list under each section is shown as a single box? | 05:15 |
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| Andrewfblack | yep | 05:15 |
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| GeneralAntilles | Can you make it match that easily? | 05:16 |
| Andrewfblack | yep | 05:16 |
| aspect | is there a way to launch a 3rd-party virtual keyboard on pressing the middle d-pad button? | 05:16 |
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| GeneralAntilles | Andrewfblack, I think I like the idea of sticking the whole maemo.org navigation bar at the top (Community, Downloads, etc.) but for now, can you just left-align the maemo.org logo? | 05:17 |
| Andrewfblack | yeah I can, you don't think maemo.org nav bar will wait space? Also do you want the orange bar under header? | 05:22 |
| GeneralAntilles | Andrewfblack, nah, I'm thinking if we can fit it next to the logo. | 05:22 |
| GeneralAntilles | On the same line | 05:22 |
| GeneralAntilles | Yeah, if it's one line it's fine where it is. | 05:22 |
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| Andrewfblack | so instead of looking like http://talk.maemo.org/ put all the top bar links on same line as logo | 05:25 |
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| GeneralAntilles | Yeah | 05:26 |
| GeneralAntilles | see if it can't be made to look somewhat similar to the maemo.org navbar | 05:26 |
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| Andrewfblack | GeneralAntilles all your suggestions have been done except for Maemo.org nav bar so far | 05:42 |
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| GeneralAntilles | Andrewfblack, cool, how's it look? | 05:45 |
| xnt14 | Andrewfblack: http://www.andrewblck.com/Stuff/Screenshot-1.png ??? | 05:46 |
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| Andrewfblack | xnt14 wow thats a old screenshot | 05:53 |
| xnt14 | :P ok | 05:54 |
| Andrewfblack | he was asking about minimalist theme | 05:54 |
| xnt14 | I just found it while randomly surfing the interwebs :P | 05:54 |
| Andrewfblack | lol nice | 05:54 |
| xnt14 | :) | 05:54 |
| * xnt14 is compiling google chrome v8 on linux, and wonders why google chose scon over make (Why google why...) :P | 05:55 | |
| xnt14 | v8 = google chrome js engine | 05:55 |
| Andrewfblack | GeneralAntilles was to lazy to do this one in tablet but you get the idea http://i133.photobucket.com/albums/q41/andrewfblack/screenshot.jpg | 05:57 |
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| Pavlov | tracemonkey is faster on arm | 05:58 |
| xnt14 | Pavlov: im just testing it out, firefox ftw :) | 05:59 |
| Pavlov | ;) | 05:59 |
| xnt14 | :) | 05:59 |
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| Andrewfblack | wow minimalist is looking good | 06:04 |
| * Andrewfblack doesn't feel bad talking his own project up | 06:06 | |
| Pavlov | xnt14: its actually pretty cool, its getting faster and faster | 06:07 |
| Pavlov | on arm | 06:07 |
| xnt14 | :) ,yup now if only we could put chromium on Maemo or Mer... :P | 06:08 |
| fireun | or even a V8 | 06:11 |
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| Macer | damn | 06:15 |
| Macer | fuck chromium | 06:15 |
| Macer | it's wine | 06:15 |
| fireun | are you thinking of chrome? | 06:16 |
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| pferrill | Anyone have the Maemo 5 SDK up and running on Ubuntu 9.04? | 06:29 |
| pferrill | I'm getting errors when I try to install the Nokia Binaries in the x86 host | 06:30 |
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| zakkm | why is it when i press the power button on my nokia, i dont get the menu popped up anymore ( newest diablo ) | 06:42 |
| xnt14 | night everyone | 06:45 |
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| zakkm | whats a good pdf reader for nokia? ( textbook pdfs ) | 06:46 |
| aspect | zakkm: I like xournal, cause you can scribble on them | 06:48 |
| zakkm | it can read pdfs? | 06:48 |
| luke-jr | zakkm: I use Okular | 06:48 |
| zakkm | Okular? | 06:48 |
| luke-jr | yup | 06:48 |
| zakkm | on nokia? | 06:49 |
| luke-jr | good old Okular | 06:49 |
| zakkm | its been ported? | 06:49 |
| luke-jr | ported? | 06:49 |
| zakkm | i liked it on desktop | 06:49 |
| zakkm | i need one for maemo :P | 06:49 |
| luke-jr | o | 06:49 |
| luke-jr | I run Gentoo | 06:49 |
| zakkm | i use mac on desktop .. i read in "Preview" | 06:49 |
| zakkm | but i need to read a bunch of pdf's .. like 500pg long ones | 06:49 |
| zakkm | pure text | 06:49 |
| luke-jr | could always install Gentoo ;) | 06:49 |
| zakkm | pdf reader on nokia .. default one doesnt work well | 06:49 |
| zakkm | hah | 06:49 |
| luke-jr | become user number 4 | 06:50 |
| zakkm | then okular? | 06:50 |
| luke-jr | yeah | 06:50 |
| zakkm | that was my plan you know | 06:50 |
| luke-jr | KDE 4.2 ;) | 06:50 |
| zakkm | before i got my n800 | 06:50 |
| zakkm | to port gentoo to the tablet | 06:50 |
| luke-jr | zakkm: it's running ok | 06:50 |
| zakkm | at least a year ago | 06:50 |
| zakkm | kde4? :P | 06:50 |
| luke-jr | maybe you should join the dark side | 06:50 |
| luke-jr | well | 06:50 |
| luke-jr | Gentoo is running OK | 06:50 |
| luke-jr | KDE 4… not so much | 06:50 |
| luke-jr | <.< | 06:50 |
| luke-jr | I wish there was a good mapping/driving directions app tho | 06:51 |
| luke-jr | Marble kinda sucks | 06:51 |
| zakkm | google maps ?:D | 06:51 |
| luke-jr | zakkm: I'm considering writing a Plasma replacement that works similar to Hildon | 06:51 |
| luke-jr | Google Maps doesn't work offline | 06:51 |
| zakkm | driving directions, that would require alot of disk space | 06:52 |
| zakkm | to store | 06:52 |
| luke-jr | why? | 06:52 |
| luke-jr | in theory Navit does it, but it's GTK+ | 06:53 |
| zakkm | wouldnt it? | 06:53 |
| zakkm | to store such data | 06:53 |
| zakkm | hah that would be slow though :P | 06:53 |
| luke-jr | … | 06:53 |
| luke-jr | it's the same data used for the maps | 06:54 |
| zakkm | thats awesome :P | 06:56 |
| zakkm | kde4 hah sounds so slow | 06:56 |
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| luke-jr | zakkm: Plasma is the main problem | 07:09 |
| zakkm | for speed? | 07:10 |
| zakkm | luke-jr: for speed? | 07:12 |
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| zakkm | is there a way to have backlight lower than 1 but higher than 0 ? ( n800 ) | 07:41 |
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| zakkm | in advanced backlight | 07:41 |
| StsN800 | it goes 0..127 i think | 07:41 |
| zakkm | yeah i need like 0.5 | 07:44 |
| zakkm | when i turn off my light in my room and lie in bed.. 0 is off and is wayy to low | 07:44 |
| zakkm | and 1 is way too bright | 07:44 |
| StsN800 | yeah i agree | 07:45 |
| StsN800 | except the control is i=0..127, i integer | 07:45 |
| StsN800 | on kernel level | 07:45 |
| zakkm | integer = no decimal place right? | 07:45 |
| zakkm | been a while since i did programming | 07:46 |
| StsN800 | right, or math | 07:46 |
| zakkm | i failed grade 11 math, havent done math since | 07:46 |
| zakkm | :( | 07:47 |
| zakkm | numpty physics game wont quit :( | 07:47 |
| zakkm | Stskeeps: that sucks, not having one between that | 07:48 |
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| man_in_pda | ok, that was scary | 07:57 |
| luke-jr | zakkm: what? | 07:57 |
| luke-jr | zakkm: what does Plasma have to do with speed? | 07:57 |
| man_in_pda | n810 wouldn't boot | 07:57 |
| zakkm | you saying plasma is what makes kde4 slow? | 07:57 |
| zakkm | ah i want to try soemthing besides maemo :P | 07:57 |
| luke-jr | zakkm: who said it was slow? | 07:57 |
| zakkm | kde4 is slow ;p | 07:58 |
| man_in_pda | and i got a usb F-F adapter | 07:58 |
| luke-jr | better than GNOME | 07:58 |
| zakkm | man_in_pda: you got a f-f adapter for n810? | 07:58 |
| luke-jr | now compiling cmake | 07:58 |
| luke-jr | THAT is slow | 07:58 |
| GeneralAntilles | zakkm, the hardware doesn't have any more levels. | 07:58 |
| man_in_pda | zakkm, no, generic f-f adapter | 07:59 |
| zakkm | 1 is too bright and 0 is too low :( | 07:59 |
| GeneralAntilles | If you want to notch it down a level, you're stuck soldering in a resistor. | 07:59 |
| zakkm | that sucks | 07:59 |
| zakkm | i thought it might be software :( | 07:59 |
| luke-jr | in fact, I just aborted cmake compile it's too slow | 07:59 |
| GeneralAntilles | Be thankful we've got what we do. | 07:59 |
| GeneralAntilles | Laptops are often far less generous in their provided backlight levels. | 07:59 |
| luke-jr | zakkm: try a lens over the LCD | 08:00 |
| luke-jr | like a tinted screen protector | 08:00 |
| zakkm | i use my nokia before i sleep like laying in bed and 0 well cant see anything at all its off and 1 is too bright it hurts my eyes after awhile | 08:00 |
| zakkm | wouldnt know where to obtain one | 08:00 |
| luke-jr | me either ^^ | 08:00 |
| luke-jr | could probably get colours at some art store | 08:00 |
| zakkm | and its touchscreen the tablet, so it would be even harder to find | 08:01 |
| zakkm | hah | 08:01 |
| zakkm | paint my screen protector? :D | 08:01 |
| man_in_pda | wondering how to get usb keyboard set up | 08:01 |
| zakkm | that would be cool | 08:01 |
| zakkm | man_in_pda: onesec | 08:01 |
| luke-jr | zakkm: btw, http://slonopotamus.org/gentoo-on-n8x0 | 08:01 |
| zakkm | yeah i was reading that | 08:01 |
| zakkm | man_in_pda: https://garage.maemo.org/projects/usb-otg-plugin/ <-- would add a statusbar icon, and then you can click on the icon.. then first one for host mode .. and then start typing | 08:02 |
| zakkm | man_in_pda: http://wiki.maemo.org/USB_host_mode <-- wiki page | 08:02 |
| zakkm | luke-jr: would hate to compile long though, how well does it perform? | 08:02 |
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| luke-jr | zakkm: it runs kismet fine | 08:03 |
| luke-jr | and nano | 08:03 |
| luke-jr | and KDE 4.2 somewhat OK | 08:03 |
| luke-jr | but I've been using console for a week or so now | 08:03 |
| zakkm | i have n800, i would require onscreen keyboard | 08:03 |
| zakkm | or ssh | 08:03 |
| luke-jr | oh | 08:03 |
| luke-jr | I think slono has a standard X OSK | 08:04 |
| zakkm | luke-jr: i want to try penguinbait's old kde 3 i think :D | 08:04 |
| zakkm | the one in maemo :p | 08:04 |
| luke-jr | O.o | 08:04 |
| luke-jr | it'd be *so* tempting to switch to KDE 3 all around if it was Qt4 | 08:05 |
| zakkm | hah | 08:05 |
| zakkm | couldnt you do kde4 in maemo ? | 08:05 |
| luke-jr | why? | 08:05 |
| luke-jr | Maemo is what I dislike | 08:05 |
| luke-jr | KDE 4 is also what I dislike | 08:05 |
| zakkm | hah | 08:05 |
| luke-jr | Gentoo and KDE 3 are what I like | 08:06 |
| zakkm | what do you like? | 08:06 |
| zakkm | ah | 08:06 |
| zakkm | you tried it? | 08:06 |
| zakkm | gentoo + kde3? | 08:06 |
| luke-jr | I also like Qt4, and don't use Qt3/GTK+ | 08:06 |
| luke-jr | no | 08:06 |
| luke-jr | KDE 3 is Qt3 :< | 08:06 |
| luke-jr | I'm sure it would work tho | 08:06 |
| zakkm | lol | 08:06 |
| zakkm | not much dfiference ;p | 08:06 |
| luke-jr | KDE 3 doesn't have Plasma crap | 08:07 |
| luke-jr | and has working PIM | 08:07 |
| zakkm | i prefer 3 to 4 :P | 08:07 |
| luke-jr | my point exactly | 08:07 |
| luke-jr | but 3 requires old Qt3 | 08:07 |
| zakkm | im a mac guy though :D | 08:08 |
| man_in_pda | YAY | 08:09 |
| man_in_pda | i has keyboard | 08:09 |
| zakkm | man_in_pda: :D | 08:10 |
| zakkm | man_in_pda: dont you have a physical one on the nokia though? | 08:10 |
| man_in_pda | numlock light doesn't seem to come on though | 08:10 |
| zakkm | it works though. | 08:10 |
| zakkm | should | 08:10 |
| man_in_pda | and the keyboard is about 5-6 times as big as the device ;) | 08:11 |
| man_in_pda | yes, it works | 08:11 |
| man_in_pda | SO DOES CAPS-LOCK | 08:11 |
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| zakkm | man_in_pda: so lucky you have physical keyboard :p | 08:11 |
| man_in_pda | Already had one :P | 08:12 |
| zakkm | no attached to nokia | 08:12 |
| man_in_pda | now i have a full-size one :D | 08:12 |
| man_in_pda | n810 has a hardware keyboard | 08:12 |
| luke-jr | a crappy one :< | 08:12 |
| zakkm | lol | 08:13 |
| man_in_pda | maybe, but it works | 08:13 |
| zakkm | i want the n810 :D | 08:13 |
| zakkm | ill trade you guys :P | 08:13 |
| zakkm | n800 + $50 ? :D | 08:13 |
| zakkm | and f-f adapter | 08:13 |
| man_in_pda | no deal | 08:13 |
| luke-jr | zakkm: I'm not sure what I could do with a N800 | 08:14 |
| luke-jr | seems useless tbh | 08:14 |
| luke-jr | no GPS, no keyboard.. | 08:14 |
| zakkm | ? | 08:14 |
| zakkm | hah | 08:14 |
| man_in_pda | n800 + ... one hundred ... BILLION DOLLARS! | 08:14 |
| zakkm | onscreen, big onscreen | 08:14 |
| luke-jr | seriously, that's everything I do with my N810 | 08:14 |
| man_in_pda | n810 has big screen too :P | 08:14 |
| zakkm | yeah gps sucks though i thought | 08:14 |
| zakkm | noo | 08:14 |
| zakkm | the onscreen keyboard is huge | 08:14 |
| luke-jr | write notes and GPS | 08:14 |
| luke-jr | zakkm: GPS is usable | 08:14 |
| zakkm | the finger keyboard | 08:14 |
| man_in_pda | oh right | 08:15 |
| man_in_pda | n810 has that too | 08:15 |
| man_in_pda | it's big | 08:15 |
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| man_in_pda | hehe, alt-tab doesn't work :P | 08:17 |
| zakkm | should, just once though, then you use arrow keys | 08:17 |
| zakkm | and prses enter to select | 08:17 |
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| man_in_pda | ooh, shift-alt-tab brings up the apps menu | 08:18 |
| zakkm | heh | 08:20 |
| zakkm | thing sucks battery :D | 08:20 |
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| man_in_pda | lol, alt+f4 is application's menu | 08:27 |
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| zakkm | how would i go about and installing the 48mhz kernel from http://intr.overt.org/5.2008.43-mmc-kernel/ ? | 08:31 |
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| StsN801 | morning qgil :) | 09:49 |
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| thux | morning | 10:16 |
| qgil | morninggg | 10:17 |
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| RST38h | moo all | 10:20 |
| aquatix | morning all | 10:23 |
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| LiraNuna | can anyone help me booting b-man's ubuntu? | 10:33 |
| Stskeeps | only god can help you, i'd say :P | 10:34 |
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| aquatix | b-man? | 10:37 |
| thux | where is official ubuntu for tablets | 10:37 |
| radic | in wiche packed is "ar" included? | 10:38 |
| aquatix | radic: what distro? | 10:38 |
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| Stskeeps | thux: not official | 10:39 |
| thux | but rumors about official n8x0 ubuntu | 10:40 |
| thux | have heard them long time | 10:40 |
| thux | that tablet-ubuntu comes and is much better than maemo | 10:41 |
| suihkulokki | haha | 10:41 |
| radic | aquatix: OS2008 diablo | 10:41 |
| Stskeeps | eh, b-man made a port of ubuntu (largely based on deblet and Mer work), and Mer is based on top of ubuntu | 10:41 |
| Stskeeps | the "better than maemo" i don't think anyone claimed | 10:41 |
| Stskeeps | especially since maemo is expert at power saving | 10:42 |
| thux | Stskeeps: yes i don't talk about b-mans port | 10:42 |
| thux | even one nokia guy said to me that official ubuntu for tablets is coming | 10:43 |
| thux | but haven't see it yet | 10:43 |
| Stskeeps | thux: maybe rx-51 :P | 10:44 |
| Stskeeps | that's more likely i'd say | 10:44 |
| thux | they are then porting it? | 10:44 |
| Stskeeps | no idea | 10:44 |
| thux | ok | 10:44 |
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| thux | so many rumors around | 10:46 |
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| jaem_N810 | hey folks | 10:50 |
| jaem_N810 | is there an easy way to stop (or mute) playback of the media player home widget at a specified time? | 10:50 |
| Stskeeps | morning jaem_N810 | 10:50 |
| jaem_N810 | I should be asleep, but I want music - however, it will wake me up early if I leave it on | 10:51 |
| jaem_N810 | :P | 10:51 |
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| * jaem_N810 thinks... | 10:51 | |
| jaem_N810 | "I should be asleep... so I'll go on IRC!" | 10:52 |
| jaem_N810 | that's kind of like me wasting time reading blogs about productivity a few weeks ago | 10:52 |
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| Stskeeps | better than me waking up and checking iTT at 4am | 10:52 |
| Stskeeps | :P | 10:52 |
| jaem_N810 | night... I'll read the scrollback in the morning if anyone has ideas | 10:52 |
| jaem_N810 | haha | 10:52 |
| Stskeeps | did you know debian packaging btw? | 10:53 |
| jaem_N810 | the N810 is great for sleepness nights | 10:53 |
| jaem_N810 | I've done a bit, but it drives me nuts | 10:53 |
| jaem_N810 | why do you ask? | 10:53 |
| jaem_N810 | I like Arch | 10:53 |
| jaem_N810 | 's pkgs | 10:53 |
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| Stskeeps | ah, trying to find people to do tiny things but even if they're tiny, they make a big difference | 10:54 |
| jaem_N810 | well, I could probably stomach some packaging for that :P | 10:54 |
| jaem_N810 | I'll have to get back to you about that tomorrow, though | 10:55 |
| Stskeeps | *nod* | 10:55 |
| jaem_N810 | night! | 10:55 |
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| thux | i got error 'mv: cannot rename 'hello-world.inactive': No such file or directory' when installing garage deb, is it important? | 11:24 |
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| qgil | X-Fade: do you know how to make that users clicking to "Roadmap" in the nav bar at http://maemo.org/development/ go directly to http://wiki.maemo.org/Task:Maemo_roadmap/Fremantle ? I want to deprecate https://maemo.org/development/roadmap/ completely | 11:31 |
| qgil | or even better to http://wiki.maemo.org/Task:Maemo_roadmap so we don't need to change it release by release | 11:32 |
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| florian | good morning | 11:41 |
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| b0unc3 | good morning | 11:47 |
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| pupnik | https://omapzoom.org/gf/project/omapzoomhome/ didn't see this before, another odd omap device | 12:12 |
| florian | that's an interesting toy | 12:13 |
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| pupnik | hehe @ $1500 | 12:19 |
| pupnik | but it's meant as a dev platform, which could be a reasonable business model | 12:19 |
| pupnik | let ppl do their work on real hardware, before building their own device | 12:19 |
| Stskeeps | that's how the companies do it | 12:20 |
| andre__ | heja Stskeeps, so https://bugs.maemo.org/show_bug.cgi?id=3858 is still valid for Fremantle beta, right? | 12:21 |
| * Stskeeps checks | 12:21 | |
| pupnik | Stskeeps: actually probably more useful as a demo unit, since you can get 10x beagleboards for the price | 12:22 |
| * andre__ updating some version numbers | 12:22 | |
| Stskeeps | andre__: no, actually not - they have seperated out libhildondesktop-dev from hildon-desktop | 12:23 |
| Stskeeps | as far as i can tell | 12:23 |
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| Stskeeps | that the bug is still a pain in the ass for the old hildon-desktop i guess is our own problem :) | 12:23 |
| RST38h | OMAP Zoom is an official OMAP dev platform from TI | 12:23 |
| andre__ | Stskeeps, oha. feel free to add a comment. | 12:23 |
| RST38h | Unless you are a company, forget it | 12:24 |
| RST38h | Expensive, heavy, and huge, more like a demo item | 12:24 |
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| Stskeeps | andre__: commented | 12:25 |
| andre__ | thanks a lot | 12:26 |
| Stskeeps | i'm just happy to see it being seperated | 12:26 |
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| Stskeeps | it's a pain in the ass when we port :) | 12:26 |
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| rmt | Yoyo | 12:27 |
| Stskeeps | morning | 12:27 |
| rmt | Anyone created a CIA World Factbook app? | 12:27 |
| andre__ | i'll ping internally... | 12:27 |
| rmt | Opera has a nice widget for it, which uses their reformatted for a small screen pages.. | 12:28 |
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| X-Fade | qgil: Roadmap redirected. | 13:51 |
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| lardman | morning chaps | 13:54 |
| Stskeeps | morning lardman :) | 13:55 |
| lardman | ~lart Windows for stealing the focus, I just wrote "hey" in the middle of my report, grrr! | 13:55 |
| * infobot hooks into a hydrant and hoses Windows down for stealing the focus, I just wrote "hey" in the middle of my report, grrr! | 13:55 | |
| lardman | Stskeeps: hey anyway :) | 13:56 |
| lardman | How's Mer coming along? | 13:56 |
| Stskeeps | almost there with fully-built-in-OBS | 13:56 |
| * lardman gives a subtle hint that a mailing list would be good ;) | 13:56 | |
| Stskeeps | http://wiki.maemo.org/Mer/Awareness , https://garage.maemo.org/pipermail/mer-chatter/ | 13:57 |
| Stskeeps | we're microblogging to it so it makes nice digests | 13:57 |
| lardman | ah good stuff, nice to be able to read the digests | 13:57 |
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| Stskeeps | the default mode is set to be digest so | 13:57 |
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| Stskeeps | seems like qwerty12 has changed his priorities and no longer on irc and in mer, kinda sucks :/ he'll be missed | 13:58 |
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| lardman | probably exam time coming up too | 13:58 |
| Stskeeps | yeah | 13:58 |
| Stskeeps | i don't blame him, i'm downsizing a bit too, difficult month ahead | 13:59 |
| lardman | well I've been quiet all year on pretty much all forms, I've had a busy one so far | 13:59 |
| Stskeeps | yeah, and you're getting married soon :) | 13:59 |
| lardman | yep, end of this month :) | 13:59 |
| Stskeeps | i'll toast to that at the cph meeting ;) | 14:00 |
| lardman | cool, thanks :) | 14:00 |
| lardman | I would have liked to pop along and actually find some time to do some coding | 14:00 |
| lardman | when I get back from honeymoon I should have some free time at last :) | 14:00 |
| Stskeeps | hehe | 14:01 |
| lardman | taking weeks out in the middle of the year doesn't help the conference paper writing, etc | 14:01 |
| qgil | X-Fade: thanks for the rediroadmap | 14:01 |
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| lardman | hey qgil | 14:01 |
| lardman | Stskeeps: right am subscribed | 14:02 |
| Stskeeps | *nod* you'll be spammed with a digest daily, if the messages in it <30 ;) | 14:02 |
| qgil | hi my dear bride :) | 14:02 |
| * lardman would prefer s/bride/groom ;) | 14:02 | |
| qgil | ah, details | 14:02 |
| lardman | lol | 14:02 |
| lardman | it's all in the name lard-"man" ;) | 14:03 |
| lardman | qgil: holding up to the onslaught of "when will the next tablet be out" questions? | 14:05 |
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| * Stskeeps wonders idly if the talk.* wars have calmed down | 14:06 | |
| X-Fade | Stskeeps: Time heals all wounds ;) | 14:06 |
| Stskeeps | haven't seen a post in 5 hours about theme/etc/community complaining/etc | 14:06 |
| lardman | probably just waiting for the caffeine to take effect before they kick off again ;) | 14:07 |
| dneary | hey ho | 14:07 |
| lardman | hi dneary, how's things? | 14:07 |
| dneary | so so | 14:07 |
| dneary | Been a busy week on another project | 14:08 |
| lardman | oh, what's up, swine flu? | 14:08 |
| lardman | ah worse then ;) | 14:08 |
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| Stskeeps | oh that's interesting | 14:12 |
| Stskeeps | http://www.gbax.com/smartq5.html | 14:12 |
| lardman | pretty cheap isn't it | 14:13 |
| Stskeeps | well, 120 quid | 14:13 |
| lardman | I saw some reports of >£100 ? | 14:13 |
| Stskeeps | price on gbax is 129.99 | 14:14 |
| lardman | yeah | 14:14 |
| lardman | what's the (processor, memory, flash) spec? | 14:14 |
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| Stskeeps | http://wiki.maemo.org/Mer/Hardware/SmartQ5 | 14:14 |
| lardman | no kb anyway so I don't want one, but still interesting | 14:15 |
| Stskeeps | it's fully hackable, too | 14:15 |
| lardman | pm too? | 14:16 |
| Stskeeps | as far as i can tell | 14:16 |
| Stskeeps | kernel source has everything | 14:16 |
| lardman | interesting, hw accel too | 14:16 |
| Stskeeps | well, under a samsung NDA .. :P | 14:16 |
| lardman | which the hw accel? | 14:16 |
| Stskeeps | yeah | 14:16 |
| lardman | oh crap | 14:17 |
| Stskeeps | but their firmware does not have the libraries | 14:17 |
| Stskeeps | just the video codecs | 14:17 |
| lardman | better than nothing I suppose | 14:17 |
| Stskeeps | but besides that, it's quite open: i have kernel & firmware maker and all that jazz | 14:17 |
| lardman | I wonder if the 3D stuff could be obtained | 14:17 |
| Stskeeps | i could build a Mer image in 23 hours | 14:17 |
| lardman | still shame it has no kb | 14:18 |
| lardman | I wonder if they use Jazelle on it | 14:19 |
| lardman | would be nice to officially rev eng that | 14:19 |
| Stskeeps | yeah, on the other hand | 14:19 |
| Stskeeps | it's tinier than a n800 and lighter | 14:19 |
| lardman | what's the screen size? 4.3" still? | 14:19 |
| Stskeeps | yeah | 14:19 |
| Stskeeps | just no dpad | 14:19 |
| lardman | ok, so not too bad | 14:20 |
| Stskeeps | but there's the 3 buttons on top | 14:20 |
| lardman | I never use the dpad anyway makes no odds to me | 14:20 |
| RST38h | probably not using jazelle | 14:20 |
| RST38h | jazelle = $$$ | 14:20 |
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| lardman | no, shame, I can't find any binaries to rev eng in a more legal manner | 14:20 |
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| lardman | ~lart Stskeeps for distracting lardman from report writing ;) | 14:27 |
| * infobot gives Stskeeps a good seeing to for distracting lardman from report writing ;) | 14:27 | |
| lardman | hmm, infobot is getting a bit rude | 14:27 |
| Stskeeps | hehe | 14:27 |
| RST38h | ~lawyers lardman | 14:28 |
| RST38h | no, that one did not work | 14:28 |
| lardman | phew, would have been time consuming and expensive too! :) | 14:29 |
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| * lardman finds himself being pulled toward Google on a quest to look for some 3D drivers/clues/other hw which uses that Samsung chip | 14:34 | |
| Stskeeps | morning jeremiah_ | 14:38 |
| ShadowJK | heh cool, I didn't realize fring made a version for N8x0 | 14:40 |
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| RST38h | ShadowJK: Given that their S60 version is a pos, it does not change much | 14:50 |
| Stskeeps | why do i get really really bad vibes from gbax.com.. | 14:51 |
| ShadowJK | ah well, if they make crappy S60 version that must mean their brains aren't suffering symbian-brainrot yet, and as such surely the N810 version will be awesome and made with the enthusiasm of someone who just escaped from a dungeon pit | 14:52 |
| RST38h | Mmmm...am I the only one sensing a fallacy in this logic? =) | 14:52 |
| lardman | Stskeeps: because they're involved with the Pandora too? | 14:53 |
| Stskeeps | lardman: ah, yeah | 14:54 |
| Stskeeps | that's probably why | 14:54 |
| lardman | if I see anything with Pandora comparisons I wonder a little | 14:54 |
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| pupnik | i think RST38h should build the new dosbox cvs and -fprofile-generate / -fprofile_use | 14:56 |
| ShadowJK | does that actually help... | 14:57 |
| * ShadowJK blinks | 14:57 | |
| RST38h | pupnik: Why? | 14:57 |
| pupnik | cause i cant | 14:57 |
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| RST38h | I can't either - got a child on my hands, and once I pass her to my wife got the rest of this work day to complete | 14:58 |
| Stskeeps | i have reached a new low. i'm signing up for a chinese forum through translate.google.com. | 14:59 |
| * pupnik accepts | 14:59 | |
| RST38h | ahhahaha | 15:00 |
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| aquatix | Stskeeps: lol | 15:05 |
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| RST38h | "...based on anecdotal evidence, it appears that the SCP was commissioned to journey to the sun under orders of Shi Huang Ti. Whether it was for a military expedition or a petitionerÁ | 15:36 |
| RST38h | s journey appears unclear so far." | 15:36 |
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| *** GeneralAntilles changes topic to "maemo.org May sprint meeting today (2009-05-07) @ 1330 UTC in #maemo-meeting | Welcome to #maemo | http://maemo.org | Maemo Community Council http://maemo.org/community/council | http://mxr.maemo.org | http://mg.pov.lt/maemo-irclog" | 15:55 | |
| * GeneralAntilles yawns loudly | 15:55 | |
| Stskeeps | morning, and welcome to another day of not so fun Talk threads :P | 15:56 |
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| b-man | hay, Stskeeps | 16:00 |
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| man_in_pda | hmm | 16:03 |
| man_in_pda | ah, there we go | 16:03 |
| man_in_pda | numlock working again :D | 16:03 |
| b-man | Stskeeps: btw, i herd about someone talking about including a new feature in the installer witch would allow you to install different environments | 16:03 |
| b-man | sounds interesting | 16:04 |
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| man_in_pda | yay, nethack with full-sized keyboard | 16:04 |
| GeneralAntilles | Woo, r.m.o updated. | 16:04 |
| b-man | r.m.o? | 16:05 |
| andre__ | repository | 16:05 |
| b-man | ah | 16:05 |
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| GeneralAntilles | Ah, Talk, how I hate you. | 16:07 |
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| * timsamoff just got home from dropping my 30-year-old son off at daycare. | 16:19 | |
| sjgadsby | Thirty? | 16:19 |
| sjgadsby | They grow so quickly. | 16:20 |
| timsamoff | Ha ha ha! | 16:20 |
| timsamoff | Yeah, funny typo in a recent Maemo-related interview. | 16:20 |
| sjgadsby | I must have missed that one. | 16:20 |
| penguinbait | I put my ten year old on my shoulders yesterday and bent over, I can no longer turn my head | 16:20 |
| timsamoff | I'll bet my 3-year-old weighs as much as your 10-year-old. :p | 16:21 |
| sjgadsby | Wow, it's like the opposite of those old "my dad can beat up your dad" arguments. | 16:21 |
| timsamoff | ;) | 16:21 |
| timsamoff | sjgadsby: Thanks for all of the "talk" spam reporting. Just squashed the last two. | 16:23 |
| sjgadsby | No problem, timsamoff. I just feel bad for all the email spam I generate to the mods by reporting spam. | 16:24 |
| timsamoff | Nah. It's a good thing. | 16:24 |
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| penguinbait | cmon, tim, how big is your 3 year old :) or is he really 30 :) | 16:28 |
| GeneralAntilles | Sprint meeting in 2 minutes. | 16:28 |
| penguinbait | although my 10 year old only ways 65lbs | 16:28 |
| timsamoff | penguinbait: Ok, you win. Mine's only 38. | 16:29 |
| penguinbait | where is the sprint meeting held? | 16:30 |
| danielwilms | #maemo-meeting | 16:30 |
| penguinbait | thanks | 16:31 |
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| RST38h | .NET Micro Framework kaboom. | 16:36 |
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| lardman | hmm, does that SmartQ 5 actually have wifi, I'm doubtful | 16:56 |
| lardman | and the link from slashgear shows pretty shocking video decoding, not ideal | 16:57 |
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| StsN801 | lardman, it even has meshable wifi | 17:00 |
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| StsN801 | and mplayer.. i think some actual xine/mplayer would help | 17:01 |
| lardman | I didn't see a wifi module load in the dmesg output | 17:02 |
| lardman | and on the product page it talks about connection over EDGE rather than talking about wifi | 17:02 |
| lardman | it was in Chinese mind you | 17:02 |
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| StsN801 | ah, its there. http://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?t=27433&page=5 | 17:04 |
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| lardman | you got a physical machine? | 17:05 |
| StsN801 | yeah | 17:05 |
| lardman | cool | 17:06 |
| lardman | well in that case I trust your judgement, I thought we were still speculating | 17:06 |
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| StsN801 | nah, the company sent me one | 17:06 |
| lardman | that's ok :) | 17:07 |
| lardman | so does mplayer work on it? | 17:07 |
| StsN801 | didn't test yet | 17:07 |
| lardman | were those very poor mp4 outputs an anomaly? | 17:07 |
| StsN801 | it is probably an artefact of shitty os;) | 17:08 |
| lardman | perhaps | 17:08 |
| lardman | the hw acceleration should sort it out though | 17:08 |
| StsN801 | mm | 17:09 |
| suihkulokki | on samsung? | 17:09 |
| StsN801 | its fbdev though | 17:09 |
| suihkulokki | the hw acceleration for samsung s3c chips only works for very selected codecs and bitrates | 17:10 |
| StsN801 | thought so | 17:10 |
| lardman | yeah, I thought mp4 was one of the accelerated ones though | 17:11 |
| lardman | http://semicon.samsung.de/applicationprocessors/documents/6410_PTB.pdf p5 | 17:12 |
| qgil | hi, can you acces http://maemo.org/development/sdks/maemo_5_examples/ ? | 17:13 |
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| StsN801 | 404 | 17:14 |
| X-Fade | qgil: No, 404 | 17:14 |
| qgil | strange | 17:15 |
| qgil | the internet is becoming multidimensional lately | 17:15 |
| qgil | ah wait, can it be a matter of permissions? | 17:15 |
| aquatix | neat | 17:15 |
| X-Fade | qgil: Yeah, it is a rights problem. | 17:16 |
| X-Fade | qgil: I can read it with my admin account | 17:16 |
| qgil | "everyone" - "read"? | 17:17 |
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| X-Fade | qgil: Should be enough. | 17:17 |
| qgil | then... | 17:18 |
| qgil | it's set that way already | 17:18 |
| X-Fade | qgil: No, it is a red cross. | 17:18 |
| X-Fade | qgil: So that means !read ;) | 17:18 |
| X-Fade | qgil: Needs to be a green tickmark. | 17:19 |
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| qgil | I'm just a middleman here, as usual | 17:19 |
| qgil | so now: http://maemo.org/development/sdks/maemo_5_examples/ | 17:20 |
| X-Fade | Yep, works | 17:20 |
| lbt | yes | 17:20 |
| timsamoff | Working now. | 17:20 |
| X-Fade | Well the images are broken. | 17:20 |
| X-Fade | But.. | 17:20 |
| X-Fade | And there is a typo: "fartoot" instead of fakeroot ;) | 17:20 |
| * timsamoff is laughing uncontrollably. | 17:21 | |
| * timsamoff is so mature. | 17:21 | |
| lardman | don't worry, I was also laughing | 17:22 |
| lardman | actually that shouldn't stop you worrying, I should just join you :) | 17:22 |
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| suihkulokki | fakeroot is even unneeded in this case... | 17:22 |
| timsamoff | Someone should come up with a fartroot utility, just in case. ;) | 17:22 |
| ShadowJK | fbdev seriously hurts | 17:24 |
| ShadowJK | (for video playback) | 17:24 |
| qgil | alright, now we see why it was pulled :) | 17:24 |
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| X-Fade | qgil: ;) | 17:26 |
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| mtsu_Matt | gah! my N810 is being delievered today, but I need to leave in about an hour for my last exam | 17:29 |
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| RST38h | exam or n810 unboxing? unboxing or the exam? it is a really hard choice... | 17:40 |
| mtsu_Matt | well, the class was hell (boring teacher more than anything) so I'd hate to have to repeat it | 17:40 |
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| mtsu_Matt | in brighter news, I got an A in my parallel class. | 17:40 |
| lardman | the old fire alarm trick? | 17:40 |
| lardman | or a bomb threat? | 17:40 |
| lardman | or swine flu outbreak | 17:41 |
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| RST38h | the swine flu!!! | 17:41 |
| mtsu_Matt | 95 on the exam, and the teacher was checking through to see if I'd done it all because I was finished so fast | 17:41 |
| lardman | checking for your crib sheet more likely! ;) | 17:41 |
| RST38h | what was the subject anyway* | 17:41 |
| mtsu_Matt | yeah, our school keeps send out info about swine flu | 17:42 |
| mtsu_Matt | seems like it'd be more effective if they sprayed down the lab keyboards with disinfectent | 17:42 |
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| lardman | over here they are planning on giving people marks based on their coursework if swine flu closes schools | 17:45 |
| lardman | then again mtsu_Matt may be over here anyway | 17:45 |
| mtsu_Matt | I'm in TN,USA | 17:45 |
| timsamoff | lardman: Isn't it bacon flu? | 17:45 |
| lardman | ah ok, I'm in the UK | 17:45 |
| lardman | timsamoff: yep, so we need to eat more to reduce the number of pigs, easy ;) | 17:45 |
| timsamoff | Hehe. | 17:46 |
| mtsu_Matt | oh well, I'm off, hopfully there'll be a toy waiting for me when I get back | 17:46 |
| lardman | good luck on both fronts | 17:47 |
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| RST38h | lardman: so, willing to bet on whether he bricks it before midnight today? | 17:48 |
| mtsu_Matt | I heard that | 17:48 |
| RST38h | hehe | 17:48 |
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| mtsu_Matt | thanks for the luck lardman, I just came back to say it just got here | 17:48 |
| RST38h | ah real good luck now | 17:49 |
| lardman | ah well let's hope your luck holds then :) | 17:49 |
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| lardman | RST38h: well there's "brick" and brick ;) | 17:49 |
| lardman | perhaps the former, not the latter though | 17:50 |
| mtsu_Matt | I thought you could just copy back your OS from backup, re-flash it | 17:50 |
| RST38h | yea the latter is a bit difficult to accomplish | 17:50 |
| mtsu_Matt | can you brick it where flashing doesn't work? | 17:50 |
| lardman | probably, but you have to try quite hard | 17:50 |
| RST38h | if you try hard | 17:50 |
| StsN801 | very hard | 17:51 |
| lardman | we won't tell you how though | 17:52 |
| lardman | not yet | 17:52 |
| mtsu_Matt | right then, cheerio chaps | 17:53 |
| lardman | cu | 17:53 |
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| GeneralAntilles | fartoot. . . . | 17:58 |
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| rm_you | sprint meeting today? :P | 17:59 |
| Stskeeps | just missed it | 17:59 |
| *** rm_you changes topic to "maemo.org Masprinty sprint meeting today (2009-05-07) @ 1330 UTC in damn | Welcome to #maemo | http://maemo.org | Maemo Community Council http://maemo.org/community/council | http://mxr.maemo.org | http://mg.pov.lt/maemo-irclog" | 17:59 | |
| X-Fade | rm_you: just finished. | 17:59 |
| rm_you | damn | 17:59 |
| rm_you | also | 17:59 |
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| rm_you | wtf how did i do that | 17:59 |
| X-Fade | I'll post the log. | 17:59 |
| *** rm_you changes topic to "maemo.org May sprint meeting today (2009-05-07) @ 1330 UTC in damn | Welcome to #maemo | http://maemo.org | Maemo Community Council http://maemo.org/community/council | http://mxr.maemo.org | http://mg.pov.lt/maemo-irclog" | 17:59 | |
| penguinbait | I can compile my own OS, but I cannot seem to figure out how to add a picture a wiki page, can external linked images be added? | 17:59 |
| rm_you | well, fixed | 17:59 |
| rm_you | but wtf | 17:59 |
| rm_you | i shouldnt have permissions to change the topic IMO? | 17:59 |
| Stskeeps | rm_you: been like that forever here | 18:00 |
| rm_you | penguinbait: yes | 18:00 |
| rm_you | lol ok whatev, just have to be more careful where i click :) | 18:00 |
| X-Fade | rm_you: The title is like a wiki ;) | 18:00 |
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| rm_you | oh oops missed one part rofl | 18:00 |
| *** rm_you changes topic to "maemo.org May sprint meeting today (2009-05-07) @ 1330 UTC in #maemo-meeting | Welcome to #maemo | http://maemo.org | Maemo Community Council http://maemo.org/community/council | http://mxr.maemo.org | http://mg.pov.lt/maemo-irclog" | 18:00 | |
| penguinbait | any advice on format? [[Image:http://penguinbait.com/zelda.png]] does not seem to be working for me? | 18:00 |
| rm_you | still had "damn" :P | 18:01 |
| rm_you | err, Image:? | 18:01 |
| X-Fade | penguinbait: Not all wikis allow external images. | 18:01 |
| rm_you | which wiki is this? | 18:01 |
| Stskeeps | you can upload without issue though | 18:01 |
| penguinbait | http://wiki.maemo.org/Alternative_desktop_environments | 18:01 |
| penguinbait | upload? | 18:02 |
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| GeneralAntilles | http://wiki.maemo.org/Special:Upload | 18:02 |
| Stskeeps | penguinbait: yeah, there's a "upload" button :) | 18:05 |
| penguinbait | thanks | 18:05 |
| timsamoff | Have a good day/night everyone. | 18:05 |
| lardman | night timsamoff | 18:05 |
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| Stskeeps | lardman: they have some codecs in module form but we obviously don't distribute thos | 18:06 |
| Stskeeps | e | 18:06 |
| Stskeeps | and i'm actually not sure the firmware actually uses the codecs | 18:06 |
| lardman | Stskeeps: interesting | 18:06 |
| lardman | i was wondering that from the poor performance of the videos | 18:06 |
| lardman | though the codecs may just be very picky of course | 18:06 |
| Stskeeps | i just got word the second donated smartq made it to the receiver :) | 18:06 |
| lardman | are they willing to donate technical documentation? | 18:07 |
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| Stskeeps | so far i've gotten info on how to access rs232 console, how to boot from SD entirely (with boot sector and internal rom), kernel, firmware builder | 18:08 |
| Stskeeps | a lot of the samsung stuff is already out there though | 18:08 |
| Stskeeps | it seems to be pretty similar to SMDK6410 | 18:08 |
| lardman | some info on hw accel would be good - cpu info manual, etc | 18:08 |
| Stskeeps | yeah - except i'm not 100% that's the vendors field | 18:08 |
| lardman | no nor am I | 18:09 |
| lardman | but they might be able to just pass it on ;) | 18:09 |
| Stskeeps | i suspect the openmoko people might have stuff as well | 18:09 |
| Stskeeps | it looks a bit like the "gta03" they were working on | 18:09 |
| lardman | yeah I saw some stuff about adding support for the chip to the kernel | 18:10 |
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| penguinbait | can I resize in the image on the wiki, or do I need to do it before upload? | 18:11 |
| luke-jr | why won't ITT let me send PMs? | 18:11 |
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| Stskeeps | http://www.mt-system.ru/documents/smdk6410_users_manual_rev1.0.pdf | 18:12 |
| penguinbait | are you at your limit? | 18:12 |
| luke-jr | penguinbait: I just joined | 18:12 |
| penguinbait | ah, very low limit | 18:13 |
| penguinbait | or none at all? | 18:13 |
| luke-jr | I haven't sent a single PM either ;) | 18:13 |
| penguinbait | have you made posts? | 18:13 |
| lardman | yeah, was just downloading that | 18:13 |
| luke-jr | no | 18:13 |
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| lardman | hmm, that's more a physical connection user manual | 18:14 |
| lardman | need the cpu manual | 18:14 |
| lardman | have to wait and see if I request to join the Samsung site registered users is allowed | 18:16 |
| GeneralAntilles | penguinbait, http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Images | 18:16 |
| GeneralAntilles | Resizing is done is the inline element. | 18:16 |
| penguinbait | I did it manually, but thanks | 18:17 |
| lardman | Interesting Imagination Technologies are asking what they can do to help the community (to get more exposure), I wonder if I should ask for PowerVR info or wait for Quim | 18:18 |
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| GAN8001 | lardman, Quim's talking to TI this month. | 18:18 |
| GAN8001 | They're working on it, so I'd just wait | 18:18 |
| lardman | I will do | 18:19 |
| luke-jr | I'm more interested in GPS specs than PowerVR tbh -.- | 18:19 |
| lardman | on the n810? | 18:20 |
| luke-jr | yeah | 18:20 |
| lardman | hmm | 18:20 |
| lardman | what do you want to know specifically? | 18:20 |
| Guest001_330 | Hi. I tried to install Android on my n810 with this procedure (http://www.spaziocellulare.com/News/2008/07/02/come-installare-android-sulln810/), but it says "Impossible installing android-installer". Any ideas? Thank you very much! | 18:20 |
| luke-jr | maybe if you can get PowerVR stuff without Quim, he might be willing to reassign his talks to GPS? :/ | 18:20 |
| luke-jr | lardman: specs for how to access the chip | 18:20 |
| lardman | I've no chance without Quim | 18:20 |
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| lardman | luke-jr: just reverse engineer the gpsdriver code | 18:20 |
| luke-jr | o | 18:20 |
| luke-jr | lardman: faster said than done | 18:21 |
| lardman | but either the chipset or the antenna is crap anyway | 18:21 |
| lardman | how large is gpsdriver? | 18:21 |
| luke-jr | lardman: ~100 KB IIRC | 18:21 |
| lardman | I'm not sure you'll be able to improve it really | 18:21 |
| luke-jr | it seems to implement the actual GPS positioning | 18:21 |
| luke-jr | I don't care to improve it. | 18:22 |
| lbt | Guest001_330: not seen android discussed much here :( | 18:22 |
| luke-jr | it works pretty good for me. | 18:22 |
| lardman | oh right, just want to talk to it in an open source fashion? | 18:22 |
| Guest001_330 | The thread on ITT about android-installer was deleted... | 18:23 |
| StsN801 | nah, moved | 18:23 |
| StsN801 | check in alternatives | 18:23 |
| luke-jr | lardman: and without GNOME libs, for example | 18:24 |
| lardman | gpsdriver doesn't rely on anything gnome | 18:24 |
| lardman | it's command line | 18:24 |
| StsN801 | he claims gconf is gnome | 18:25 |
| lardman | ah I see | 18:25 |
| lardman | ok | 18:25 |
| luke-jr | Description: Gnome Configuration System and Daemon | 18:25 |
| luke-jr | (gnome-base category on Gentoo, as well) | 18:26 |
| StsN801 | yeah but the important part is the latter | 18:26 |
| luke-jr | yeah, but either way it depends on GTK+/glib, which I don't want installed ;) | 18:26 |
| luke-jr | gah, made a post and STILL cant' send PMs -.- | 18:27 |
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| lardman | luke-jr: remind me about gpsdriver if I'm online tonight | 18:29 |
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| jaem_N810_afk | lardman: ping! | 18:58 |
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| lardman | jaem_N810_afk: pong | 18:58 |
| jaem_N810 | I just woke up and read the scrollback, and had something to add RE: exams :P | 18:59 |
| jaem_N810 | I was taking a aphysics exam first year, and forgot to turn off jmy cell phone... | 18:59 |
| jaem_N810 | which wouldn't have been that bad, except... | 18:59 |
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| jaem_N810 | the ringer was full-volume, and set to an air raid siren | 18:59 |
| lardman | lol | 19:00 |
| jaem_N810 | the prof actually tried to evacuate the class before I said "that's... my... phone >_<" | 19:00 |
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| lardman | :D | 19:00 |
| lardman | wonderful | 19:00 |
| jaem_N810 | yes! | 19:00 |
| jaem_N810 | he never mentioned it | 19:00 |
| jaem_N810 | ever again | 19:01 |
| lardman | probably thought you were embarrassed enough already | 19:01 |
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| jaem_N810 | I figured he was | 19:01 |
| jaem_N810 | I thought it was funny, albeit unfortunate | 19:02 |
| lardman | :) | 19:02 |
| * jaem_N810 goes to pour water on himself | 19:02 | |
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| penguinbait | Has hell frozen over?? The planets out of alignment? | 19:05 |
| Meizirkki | Hell froze when "Lordi" won EuroVision song contest | 19:06 |
| StsN801 | true | 19:06 |
| penguinbait | Texrat defended me, basically called me a community uniter | 19:07 |
| penguinbait | I must be dreaming, we never agree on anything | 19:08 |
| penguinbait | It's mot april fools day in Finlad or something is it? | 19:09 |
| lardman | perhaps it was a crafty ruse? ;) | 19:09 |
| lcuk | community untier u mean :P | 19:09 |
| penguinbait | hehe | 19:09 |
| penguinbait | trouble maker, dick, arsehole | 19:10 |
| lcuk | debate is good and its only effective if there are people passionate about both camps | 19:10 |
| penguinbait | I answer to lots of things :) | 19:10 |
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| penguinbait | I have just never fought with anyone like I have fought with Texrat on the forums | 19:11 |
| penguinbait | OK, maybe GA | 19:11 |
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| lcuk | i conflict with my boss often about things (im not a yes man) but in the end we find a path where he gets what he wants and i do it the way i want without breaking too much stuff | 19:12 |
| lardman | so those wrist locks I taught you are working then...? No need to break things any more :) | 19:13 |
| lcuk | heh yeah | 19:13 |
| lcuk | .me has gone back to typin one handed :S | 19:14 |
| lcuk | / | 19:14 |
| StsN801 | i dont get the whole anti maemo.org sentiment by many. the community is too inactive and unfocused and maemo.org is a excellent way for projects to get hosting,support,inclusion etc, | 19:15 |
| lardman | it's probably just that people want something new to focus on | 19:15 |
| lcuk | i didnt know there was an explicit anti maemo.org sentiment? as far as a portal goes its coming along nicely | 19:17 |
| lbt | yeah, what colour bikeshed.... | 19:17 |
| lbt | like that's the most important thing for the future of the N8x0 | 19:17 |
| lcuk | theme wars dont really make life too bad, its just momentum | 19:17 |
| lbt | right... | 19:17 |
| StsN801 | orange revolution! | 19:17 |
| * lbt goes to find the xserver code in Mer and remove all non-orangey colours | 19:18 | |
| lcuk | being reminded of the subject every 3 lines makes my blood boil tho!" :D :p | 19:18 |
| lcuk | heh | 19:18 |
| lardman | hold your hands near the screenwash reservoir then | 19:18 |
| lardman | ;) | 19:18 |
| lcuk | heh | 19:20 |
| lardman | got to go, might be back on later on | 19:20 |
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| lcuk | kcya | 19:20 |
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| jaem_N810 | a friend and I were discussing how terribly Hollyood handles science and technology in movies | 19:32 |
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| ShadowJK | or anything else really | 19:33 |
| jaem_N810 | and we decided it would be amusing to spoof their horribly fake "hacker" movies and such by making one about a pair of uni students (us) who run the Internet from their dorm room | 19:33 |
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| jaska | a real hacker movie | 19:33 |
| jaem_N810 | we have enoug equipment that the most gullible might just be fooled | 19:33 |
| jaska | 1.5 hours of filming a terminal window | 19:33 |
| jaem_N810 | haha | 19:33 |
| jaem_N810 | that too | 19:33 |
| jaska | and grunting noises, scratching head | 19:33 |
| crashanddie | what should I do if after plugging in my n810 to the charger, it says "NOKIA", and then the screen just dies? If I pull the battery and try again, it just keeps rebooting like that for 5 minutes | 19:34 |
| crashanddie | ideas? | 19:34 |
| jaem_N810 | submit it to some "artsy" film festival | 19:34 |
| jaem_N810 | they might take it, if you pitched it with flowery language | 19:34 |
| ShadowJK | crashanddie, what's happened right before it started doing that? | 19:34 |
| ShadowJK | did you run down the battery? | 19:34 |
| crashanddie | ShadowJK: yeah, might have been unpowered for a couple of weeks | 19:34 |
| jaem_N810 | wait... it crashes... and dies? | 19:34 |
| jaem_N810 | no kidding ;) | 19:35 |
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| crashanddie | jaem_N810: swallow a knife kiddo, go back to your wet dreams of fame by crappy movies ;) | 19:35 |
| jaem_N810 | I was kidding :S | 19:35 |
| ShadowJK | hm, I suppose it could be stuck booting and noticing the battery is dangerously empty and shut down | 19:35 |
| jaem_N810 | and that's a terrible thing to say :O | 19:36 |
| jaem_N810 | lol | 19:36 |
| ShadowJK | there's actually some sort of amateur movie about that already, so... | 19:36 |
| jaem_N810 | oh? | 19:36 |
| crashanddie | ShadowJK: It's what I suspect as well, though I've had it plugged in on the charger for most of the day so I'm starting to wonder | 19:36 |
| ShadowJK | but about internet pirates :) | 19:36 |
| crashanddie | li-on batteries don't really like to be drained do they/ | 19:36 |
| jaem_N810 | so I've heard | 19:37 |
| crashanddie | lcuk: got a spare battery for me mate? | 19:37 |
| ShadowJK | They have a habbit of venting gas violently if they're recharged after being completely emptied :) | 19:37 |
| * RST38h vents gas: http://pastebin.com/d7cf54e52 | 19:38 | |
| jaem_N810 | ShadowJK: are you serious? I thought that was just shoddy/damaged/overheated batteries | 19:38 |
| ShadowJK | crashanddie, I don't suppose you have a DMM? | 19:38 |
| crashanddie | DMM? | 19:38 |
| ShadowJK | digital multimeter | 19:38 |
| crashanddie | yeah I do actually, hang on | 19:39 |
| ShadowJK | jaem_N810, fully discharged counts as "damaged" | 19:39 |
| crashanddie | (at work, might take a while to find it) | 19:39 |
| jaem_N810 | ShadowJK: does the N810 have any protection against that? | 19:39 |
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| ShadowJK | crashanddie, set it to DC Volts, make sure the leads are in COM and Vma holes. Whatever you do, don't have the leads plugged into any holes marked "10ADC", and don't have the dial in A area :) | 19:40 |
| ShadowJK | jaem_N810, yes it would refuse to charge a battery that's dangerously empty | 19:40 |
| jaem_N810 | I know I have accidentally run it down once, although I otherwise make sure not to | 19:40 |
| jaem_N810 | well, that's good, anyway | 19:40 |
| jaem_N810 | I was thinking of something that would kill it before it reaches that point in discharge | 19:41 |
| penguinbait | I run my 810 down to dead all the time, never a problem? | 19:41 |
| ShadowJK | "dangerously" low is somewhere around 2.8-3.0 volts. The system shuts down at about 3.5 Volts and there's another threshold at 3.2V. | 19:41 |
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| crashanddie | ShadowJK: I have an electronics degree ;) | 19:41 |
| jaem_N810 | oh, ok | 19:41 |
| ShadowJK | But there are things still running after you shut down, like the clock.. | 19:41 |
| jaem_N810 | crashanddie: in progress for me | 19:41 |
| xnt_atschool | Hello World! | 19:41 |
| jaem_N810 | hello snt | 19:41 |
| jaem_N810 | xnt* | 19:41 |
| xnt_atschool | im in tech class | 19:41 |
| jaem_N810 | fun? | 19:41 |
| xnt_atschool | installing debian on my other server | 19:41 |
| xnt_atschool | yup | 19:41 |
| jaem_N810 | nice | 19:41 |
| jaem_N810 | xnt - did you get around to trying Arch? | 19:42 |
| crashanddie | ShadowJK: obviously the MM has gone footch | 19:42 |
| ShadowJK | footch? | 19:42 |
| crashanddie | gone | 19:42 |
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| xnt_atschool | yeah I installed it in a vm, but I haven't gotten around to installing on real hardware | 19:42 |
| * xnt_atschool hates the schools internet (So slow 20minutes to dl debian packages) | 19:43 | |
| crashanddie | ooh | 19:43 |
| crashanddie | I take it having some kind of black ink on the battery is not a good sign | 19:43 |
| Stskeeps | nah | 19:43 |
| Stskeeps | that's normal | 19:43 |
| jaem_N810 | xnt_at_school: my uni is a data/processing center for the LHC, so we have *lots* of BW | 19:43 |
| xnt_atschool | :) | 19:44 |
| jaem_N810 | and a couple 15PB arrays to boot | 19:44 |
| ShadowJK | crashanddie, on the terminals? | 19:44 |
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| xnt_atschool | 30 mins :( | 19:44 |
| * xnt_atschool still needs to set up a wifi network, so I can get online with my ipod and nit | 19:44 | |
| xnt_atschool | but I Can still setup usb networking :) | 19:45 |
| * xnt_atschool has 24 computers at school with burned powersupplies, and I fixed them an I plan to create my own parallel computing cluster :) | 19:45 | |
| xnt_atschool | *and | 19:46 |
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| jaem_N810 | nice | 19:46 |
| RST38h | jaem: Have you got plans on what to do when LHC causes the end of the world? =) | 19:46 |
| xnt_atschool | :) | 19:46 |
| jaem_N810 | RST38h: yes | 19:46 |
| RST38h | jaem: elaborate =) | 19:46 |
| * xnt_atschool will get in a shuttle to moon/mars | 19:46 | |
| jaem_N810 | read a book written by a real physicist, and ignore it | 19:46 |
| RST38h | you mean, ignore the end of the world while reading a book? | 19:47 |
| xnt_atschool | but if it causes the end of the entire universe, then no | 19:47 |
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| jaem_N810 | well, if the book disproves reality, then it shouldn't be too hard | 19:47 |
| xnt_atschool | btw is irc encrypted/obfusicated? | 19:47 |
| jaem_N810 | not by default | 19:48 |
| jaem_N810 | some is | 19:48 |
| jaem_N810 | Freenode doesn't support SSL, afaik | 19:48 |
| * xnt_atschool hopes that the school doesn't know how to use a packet sniffer | 19:48 | |
| jaem_N810 | lol | 19:48 |
| xnt_atschool | lol | 19:48 |
| RST38h | and if it does? | 19:48 |
| jaem_N810 | tunnel it? | 19:48 |
| xnt_atschool | yup | 19:48 |
| * xnt_atschool looks if HydraIRC Supports socks | 19:48 | |
| crashanddie | hang on, how much is the input supposed to be? | 19:48 |
| xnt_atschool | cant use xchat | 19:48 |
| jaem_N810 | ah | 19:49 |
| jaem_N810 | yeah, that's an issue | 19:49 |
| xnt_atschool | the school proxy blocks it because it has the word "chat" in it :P | 19:49 |
| RST38h | ssh to an outside shell account and irc from there | 19:49 |
| ShadowJK | crashanddie, hm? | 19:49 |
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| crashanddie | ShadowJK: what's the power supply supposed to give out? | 19:49 |
| jaska | sounds like a schutzstaffel school | 19:49 |
| crashanddie | ShadowJK: how many V/A ? | 19:49 |
| crashanddie | cuz I only have this only :-* | 19:50 |
| ShadowJK | mine gives 6.something Volts | 19:50 |
| jaem_N810 | xnt_at_school: what exactly triggers the blocking? | 19:50 |
| crashanddie | maybe not for the n810 | 19:50 |
| crashanddie | ShadowJK: this one is 5V 350mA | 19:50 |
| ShadowJK | yeah but they actually give out more | 19:50 |
| xnt_atschool | school uses a proxy | 19:50 |
| xnt_atschool | on the main router | 19:50 |
| crashanddie | ShadowJK: IIRC, this one was for a bluetooth earpiece | 19:50 |
| jaem_N810 | yes, but where does the offending instance of the word "chat" occur? | 19:51 |
| xnt_atschool | im on my comp I built from the broken comps my school throws out | 19:51 |
| xnt_atschool | the url | 19:51 |
| jaem_N810 | ah | 19:51 |
| xnt_atschool | wait | 19:51 |
| jaem_N810 | are you using chat.freenode.net? | 19:51 |
| crashanddie | xnt_at_school: set up ssh server on a box at home, apache + mod_proxy, also setup cgiirc and you're good to go | 19:52 |
| crashanddie | xnt_at_school: ssh tunnels ftw | 19:52 |
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| jaem_N810 | amen to that :D | 19:52 |
| xnt_atschool | yup ssh tunnel ftw | 19:52 |
| * xnt_atschool has vpn on his router but it only work on his ipod for some reason | 19:53 | |
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| ShadowJK | crashanddie, might be worth finding a nokia "fast charger", they can give out more than the device consumes, i think | 19:53 |
| jaem_N810 | bye | 19:53 |
| xnt_atschool | sayanara jaem | 19:53 |
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| GAN8001 | lcuk, you need to read talk more closely, then. | 19:53 |
| crashanddie | ShadowJK: yeah, I'll ask lcuk to give it a go this weekend, will see from there | 19:53 |
| GAN8001 | lcuk, apparently maemo.org is a hostile takeover of the independent itT community by Nokia. | 19:53 |
| crashanddie | GAN8001: lmao | 19:54 |
| RST38h | GAN: It is you who should read it less closely :) | 19:54 |
| crashanddie | GAN8001: and the chinese FBI wants to hijack the builders for themselves | 19:54 |
| RST38h | crashanddie: THAT by the way we have evidence for | 19:55 |
| RST38h | crashanddie: Stskeeps just registered for a chinese developers' forum yesterday! | 19:55 |
| crashanddie | yeah yeah yeah | 19:55 |
| GAN8001 | RST38h, it's my job to read things closely. | 19:55 |
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| xnt_atschool | :P | 19:55 |
| xnt_atschool | btw http://xceleo.com/fl.PNG | 19:56 |
| xnt_atschool | the proxy | 19:56 |
| xnt_atschool | 24 mins :) | 19:56 |
| * xnt_atschool hates lhric | 19:56 | |
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| RST38h | GAN: Don't take it as your job. Quim actually gets PAID for this and even he does not react to every forum loony. | 19:56 |
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| crashanddie | xnt_at_school: i2p | 19:56 |
| * xnt_atschool can read sortof really fast | 19:56 | |
| xnt_atschool | ? | 19:57 |
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| * xnt_atschool imagines the sysadmin walking into the tech room for his irc comments :P | 19:57 | |
| Stskeeps | did you get your tablet back? :P | 19:58 |
| xnt_atschool | Nope ;( | 19:58 |
| crashanddie | xnt_atschool: stop the ego trip, he's got better things to do | 19:58 |
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| crashanddie | anyway | 19:59 |
| xnt_atschool | http://www.lhric.org/ | 19:59 |
| * xnt_atschool notices the apple new thing | 19:59 | |
| crashanddie | Gotta go, going up to Manchester, take care people | 19:59 |
| xnt_atschool | lhric are the people who gave my school the servers/comps | 20:00 |
| xnt_atschool | crashanddie: k bye | 20:00 |
| xnt_atschool | now my pos school blocked twitter | 20:01 |
| xnt_atschool | :( | 20:01 |
| * xnt_atschool really wants a phone with unlimited data + tether + router | 20:01 | |
| xnt_atschool | wow just wow, :P http://eram.k12.ny.us/admin | 20:02 |
| xnt_atschool | if I owned the school | 20:02 |
| xnt_atschool | I would change it to eram.k12.ny.us/root_98537n57905fh07 | 20:03 |
| Stskeeps | and you might not want to divulge that info in a logged channel :) | 20:03 |
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| crashanddie | xnt_atschool: uninteresting monologues are not allowed on this channel | 20:03 |
| * ShadowJK has a subscription with unlimited data and no phone, and 2 sim cards (parallell cards, I can get a total of 5!) | 20:03 | |
| crashanddie | and now he's faking the fact that he got owned by the sysadmin | 20:03 |
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| ShadowJK | Or he changed firewall settings and the pos firewall rebooted? | 20:04 |
| * xnt_atschool notices | 20:04 | |
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| GAN8001 | RST38h, by "forum loony" you mean people like penguinbait? | 20:04 |
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| penguinbait | hey GA, whats up | 20:05 |
| xnt_atschool | hello pb | 20:05 |
| RST38h | GAN: Last time I checked, penguinbait actually had a point | 20:05 |
| * xnt_atschool 's irc client is real crappy | 20:05 | |
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| RST38h | GAN: So unless he went all mad in the last 8 hours, no | 20:05 |
| GAN8001 | RST38h, point is, it's not just the "loonies" who have strange ideas about maemo.org | 20:05 |
| ShadowJK | <GAN8001> lcuk, apparently maemo.org is a hostile takeover of the independent itT community by Nokia. | 20:05 |
| xnt_atschool | pb: what are you running on your tablet? | 20:05 |
| ShadowJK | doesn't that fit into nokia's world domination plan? | 20:06 |
| RST38h | GAN: There is really easy way to control damage there | 20:06 |
| GAN8001 | Either way, my only point is that the opinion is certainly a popular one on Talk. | 20:06 |
| GAN8001 | and I was surprised that lcuk missed it. | 20:06 |
| RST38h | GAN: Just devise a way to make ITT look closer to the original design at the least cost | 20:06 |
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| GAN8001 | RST38h, hey, presto! Let me just get out my magic wand here! | 20:06 |
| ShadowJK | RST38h, free sunshades for all? | 20:06 |
| RST38h | GAN: Change the layout a little bit, change a few colors, then write a huge ITT post about how you addressed public feedback | 20:07 |
| RST38h | Shadow: Well, you won't be able to satisfy all and the sunshades will be mostly made of html cardboard, but yes | 20:07 |
| xnt|school | how about useing greasemonkey to change it to the old theme? | 20:07 |
| penguinbait | I personally think this is the best option I have seen | 20:07 |
| penguinbait | https://bugs.maemo.org/show_bug.cgi?id=4467 | 20:07 |
| GAN8001 | RST38h, all of these things have already happened. | 20:07 |
| RST38h | GAN: Not really | 20:08 |
| penguinbait | See I don't want the standard theme altered | 20:08 |
| GAN8001 | The layout and colors have changed dramatically since Talk first launched. | 20:08 |
| RST38h | GAN: That is why they are still raving =) | 20:08 |
| penguinbait | we want a choice, like we used to have | 20:08 |
| lcuk | missed what? ive been a bit drugged up recently | 20:08 |
| GAN8001 | penguinbait, this is exactly the problem. Everybody wants different things. | 20:08 |
| Stskeeps | people should stop friggen discussing and actually do something | 20:08 |
| penguinbait | no GA, most just want other color options | 20:08 |
| GAN8001 | Some people want one set of layout changes, others want another. Some other people want one set of color changes, and others want yet another. | 20:08 |
| xnt|school | well Personally Im ok with the current theme, just want darker color | 20:09 |
| GAN8001 | It's not a clear-cut issue. | 20:09 |
| xnt|school | I can try to help with the color thing | 20:09 |
| Stskeeps | mer has done things people have discussed within community and nokia for ages, sometimes it just takes doing instead of talking | 20:09 |
| Stskeeps | :P | 20:09 |
| penguinbait | Perhaps if council decided to address this is a logical manner we could move on | 20:09 |
| RST38h | GAN: Well the color issue gets addressed by implementing #4667 on ITT | 20:09 |
| GAN8001 | penguinbait, put together a dark theme and Reggie will install it | 20:09 |
| RST38h | GAN: And it really should be as simple as writing some JS | 20:09 |
| GAN8001 | It's as simple as that. | 20:09 |
| GAN8001 | None of the paid personnel are going to be working on it, though. | 20:09 |
| RST38h | GAN: Will satisfy everyone, more or less | 20:09 |
| * xnt|school is good at js | 20:10 | |
| GAN8001 | I'd say that is both reasonable and logical. | 20:10 |
| penguinbait | It seems like the best option I have seen, that will make the most people happy | 20:10 |
| xnt|school | RST38h: js or css? | 20:10 |
| RST38h | GAN: As far as layout stuff goes, if that useless right column is removed and the amount of posts shown at a page is maximized, that should do the job | 20:10 |
| ShadowJK | Stskeeps, seen monty python's "life of brian"? | 20:10 |
| RST38h | xnt: js modifying css attributes dynamically | 20:10 |
| GAN8001 | RST38h, useless for you is not useless for somebody else. | 20:10 |
| ShadowJK | i think that was the title.. | 20:10 |
| xnt|school | oh ok :P | 20:10 |
| GAN8001 | This is the problem with the vast majority of layout change proposals. | 20:11 |
| RST38h | GAN: I have yet to see anyone (outside of the designers team) who finds the right column useful | 20:11 |
| Stskeeps | RST38h: i love the right column | 20:11 |
| Stskeeps | i don't have to click "new posts" all the time anymore | 20:11 |
| RST38h | Sts: Really? How do you use it? | 20:11 |
| Stskeeps | saves me a lot of time | 20:11 |
| * xnt|school is 100% fine with the current layout but wants the color changed, and he will try to work on it :) | 20:11 | |
| GAN8001 | RST38h, people don't usually tend to speak up when they're satisfied with something. | 20:12 |
| RST38h | Sts: But what if you just have a special page for that, showing 2-3 times as many new posts? | 20:12 |
| GAN8001 | So the only people you see talking are the people that really hate the changes. | 20:12 |
| RST38h | GAN: That's 100% true unfortunately | 20:12 |
| Stskeeps | RST38h: doesn't matter, i get the info while i browse anyway | 20:12 |
| Stskeeps | i use new posts initially | 20:12 |
| Stskeeps | and the right column for rest | 20:12 |
| Stskeeps | and new posts popping up as i browse | 20:12 |
| RST38h | Ah | 20:12 |
| GAN8001 | RST38h, so don't pretend like not seeing people talk about it implies implicit support of your position. | 20:12 |
| lcuk | i like the ispy thing :$ | 20:12 |
| lcuk | i didnt know it existed before | 20:13 |
| penguinbait | So Jaffa, GA, Quim, Reggie, andrewfblack, they have put up a loud counter fight | 20:13 |
| penguinbait | with no real loss if they would just let it happen? | 20:13 |
| Stskeeps | didn't it start at "this has been discussed at several meetings"? | 20:13 |
| RST38h | GAN: I guess this can be kinda determined with a vote | 20:13 |
| GAN8001 | RST38h, no more polls. | 20:13 |
| GAN8001 | Polls just entrench people | 20:14 |
| * sp3000 votes the bikeshed on fire | 20:14 | |
| penguinbait | reggie suggested yesterday I should run a poll and see who wins classic, or dark theme | 20:14 |
| RST38h | Ah, everybody is already in trenches anyway judging from the discussion | 20:14 |
| GAN8001 | penguinbait, it's as simple as this: if you want a dark theme, put one together and Reggie will put it up. | 20:14 |
| penguinbait | I agree with GA, polls are done | 20:14 |
| GAN8001 | That's all there is to it. | 20:14 |
| penguinbait | Not a good enough answer GA | 20:14 |
| RST38h | penguinbait: GAN has a point, why don't you try to create a new theme? | 20:14 |
| penguinbait | sorry, thanks for playing | 20:14 |
| GAN8001 | penguinbait, tough, that's the answer you get. | 20:14 |
| penguinbait | I looked into it | 20:14 |
| GAN8001 | sp3000, why don't we set you on fire? :D | 20:15 |
| penguinbait | I am not a web developer, nor do I want to be | 20:15 |
| RST38h | penguinbait: And if Reggie backs off his word and does not put it up, then the ball is in his court | 20:15 |
| RST38h | penguinbait: Neither am I but I do this stuff when absolutely needed | 20:15 |
| GAN8001 | penguinbait, then find somebody who is | 20:15 |
| sp3000 | GAN8001: I'm reminded of wicker man now :) | 20:15 |
| GAN8001 | If it really has as much support as you claim, then surely you'll be able to dredge one person up. | 20:16 |
| RST38h | penguinbait: it is no rocket science | 20:16 |
| penguinbait | How many people have to go do this, why not just use bug 4467 and make people happy | 20:16 |
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| RST38h | my guess is that they have got some images in orange color | 20:16 |
| GAN8001 | The paid personnel are working on more important things than satisfying the wishes of an extremely vocal minority | 20:16 |
| RST38h | not easily changed when the color scheme css is changed | 20:16 |
| penguinbait | Its all about community involvment, I want more, some people seem to only want an ilusion of community involvment | 20:16 |
| GAN8001 | Like making sure Extras and the rest of the website is ready for Fremantle | 20:17 |
| suihkulokki | What is the whine today about? | 20:17 |
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| GAN8001 | and planning the Maemo Summit. | 20:17 |
| GAN8001 | suihkulokki, no change. | 20:17 |
| * suihkulokki goes fetch popcorn | 20:17 | |
| RST38h | suihkolokki: same | 20:17 |
| RST38h | suihkolokki: probably won't stop until somebody DOES provide a dark themse | 20:17 |
| Stskeeps | .. isn't Minimalist dark? | 20:17 |
| GAN8001 | RST38h, it wont step then, either. | 20:17 |
| Stskeeps | or am i just dense? | 20:17 |
| penguinbait | shit I got a box to go rebuild, carry on | 20:17 |
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| GAN8001 | Andrew is working on a dark version of minimalist, yes. | 20:17 |
| xnt|school | Stskeeps: I don't think people like the layout | 20:17 |
| RST38h | Sts: Yea, it is dark, I do not know why penguinbait does not use it | 20:18 |
| RST38h | but it has got some problems on its own | 20:18 |
| Stskeeps | of course | 20:18 |
| Stskeeps | but some things has to be sacrificed | 20:18 |
| RST38h | Personally, I mostly miss mobile themes | 20:18 |
| GAN8001 | RST38h, file an enhancement | 20:18 |
| RST38h | Not having these is a real problem :( | 20:18 |
| GAN8001 | If it's just a default vBulletin theme, they get updated when vBulletin does, so. . . . | 20:19 |
| RST38h | I guess it was something cutom | 20:19 |
| RST38h | custom | 20:19 |
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| GAN8001 | Well, find something that suits you and get Reggie to install it. | 20:19 |
| thopiekar | hi | 20:19 |
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| thopiekar | is it normal that the menu-buttons of http://openbossa.indt.org/canola/ aren't working? | 20:20 |
| RST38h | let's see what google brings up... | 20:20 |
| xnt|school | GAN: So If I make a theme I can send it to reggie, and get him to install it for the whole forum or just me? | 20:21 |
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| fiferboy | lbt: ping | 20:22 |
| GAN8001 | xnt|school, you can discuss it with him. | 20:22 |
| xnt|school | ok g2g, to class | 20:22 |
| GAN8001 | xnt|school, but we're not just installing any and every theme that gets offered up. | 20:22 |
| xnt|school | GAN: ok thanks | 20:22 |
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| RST38h | GAN: what version of vbulletin are we talking about? | 20:23 |
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| GAN8001 | 3.8.x | 20:23 |
| RST38h | a'ok | 20:23 |
| GAN8001 | Maybe .3 | 20:24 |
| GAN8001 | It says at the bottom in the footer | 20:24 |
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| RST38h | Here is one: http://www.vbulletin.org/forum/showthread.php?t=174375 | 20:30 |
| GAN8001 | Open an enhancement if you think it's appropriate | 20:31 |
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| RST38h | GAN: 4487 | 20:38 |
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| RST38h | GAN: As I expected - "WONTFIX" from Reggie. | 20:52 |
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| RST38h | GAN: It does not make sense to file any requests for changes or improvements of ITT or maemo.org, it looks | 20:52 |
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| GAN8001 | RST38h, don't make me generate a buglist for you. | 20:54 |
| GAN8001 | That statement is clearly and demonstrably false. | 20:54 |
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| RST38h | GAN: well, if it is some clear bug that only needs a quick fix, filing it may work | 20:55 |
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| z4chh | there any reason why the itt wiki is not working? | 20:56 |
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| GAN8001 | z4chh, as I said several times on the forums, the itT wiki was going to be deprecated in favor the maemo.org wiki when Talk went live. | 20:56 |
| z4chh | GAN8001, sorry don't read the forums much | 20:57 |
| GAN8001 | Out of 1034 bugs in the classification maemo.org Website, 641 were RESOLVED FIXED while only 82 were WONTFIX. | 20:57 |
| GAN8001 | Those numbers pretty well refute your "theory" | 20:57 |
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| RST38h | GAN: How many of 641 were requests for enhancements? | 20:59 |
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| GAN8001 | Of 1034 bugs in the component maemo.org Website, 200 of these are enhancements. Of these, 112 have been RESOLVED FIXED, and only 21 are WONTFIX. | 21:04 |
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| RST38h | ok | 21:08 |
| RST38h | sounds reasonable indeed | 21:08 |
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| lbt | fiferboy: pong | 21:16 |
| fiferboy | lbt: Hey. Are you using Qt mostly on Mer now? | 21:17 |
| lbt | well | 21:17 |
| lbt | I'm working on it | 21:17 |
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| lbt | not many Qt apps | 21:17 |
| fiferboy | Are there any performance or appearance differences? | 21:17 |
| luke-jr | we need a Qt mapping app :/ | 21:18 |
| lbt | qtmapper exists | 21:18 |
| luke-jr | qtmapper also is pathetic | 21:18 |
| luke-jr | :/ | 21:18 |
| lcuk | an app to map the qt libraries :P | 21:18 |
| lbt | no, it appears very similar to maemo Qt | 21:18 |
| lbt | some minor issues | 21:18 |
| lbt | such as vkbd not initiated in some widgets | 21:19 |
| luke-jr | qtmapper has 4 buttons, 2 of which are zoom | 21:19 |
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| lbt | qt-dev has sbox-isms | 21:19 |
| lbt | luke-jr: let me know when you submit a patch | 21:19 |
| fiferboy | How is finger scroll coming? | 21:19 |
| lbt | it works fine | 21:19 |
| lbt | actually ran all the qtdemos | 21:20 |
| lbt | and it works on them | 21:20 |
| luke-jr | lbt: from QtMapper's codebase size, starting from scratch seems more practical tbh | 21:20 |
| lbt | luke-jr: feel free | 21:20 |
| fiferboy | Nice. I was trying to think of cases to test | 21:20 |
| lbt | found the bug gnuton mentioned | 21:20 |
| luke-jr | I'm busy fixing bootmenu up :p | 21:20 |
| fiferboy | lbt: Which bug? | 21:20 |
| lbt | oh, it also works on qtdesigner | 21:20 |
| lbt | which is a bit slow and cramped on the tablet!! | 21:21 |
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| lbt | the scrollbar itself is a child of the scrollarea | 21:21 |
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| fiferboy | Wow, that is some impressive coding to have a drop in work in all those cases | 21:21 |
| lbt | and if you fingerscroll it | 21:21 |
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| lbt | it goes wrong | 21:21 |
| lbt | actually it is impressive | 21:21 |
| lbt | but it's the Qt design that makes it work | 21:21 |
| fiferboy | Have you thought about styling the scrollbar to make it match Fremantle? | 21:22 |
| lbt | well, it takes 40hrs to compile Qt | 21:22 |
| florian | re | 21:22 |
| lbt | so iterations are hard | 21:22 |
| Dantonic | what prog are you guys discussing? | 21:22 |
| lbt | why does florian keep saying re | 21:22 |
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| fiferboy | I have never actually complete the compile in scratchbox. | 21:23 |
| Stskeeps | lbt: re-hi? :P | 21:23 |
| lbt | oh this is not sbox | 21:23 |
| lbt | it's qemu | 21:23 |
| lbt | much cleaner | 21:23 |
| fiferboy | Right, but when I compile it for Hildon I use scratchbox. At least, I would if there was any hope of my computer ever finishing | 21:23 |
| lbt | funny though - my sbox1 setup "just works" | 21:24 |
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| lbt | (and it uses native gcc and all 3 cores so it's an overnight compile) | 21:24 |
| fiferboy | I can send you some code to style the scrollbar like Fremantle, if you would like | 21:24 |
| lbt | I'd like to setup a debian-mer in qt4-x11 | 21:25 |
| lbt | and have patchsets in there | 21:25 |
| lbt | (so yes) | 21:25 |
| lbt | (but that's how I'd like it) | 21:25 |
| lbt | I will be basing Mer on fremantle qt anyway | 21:25 |
| lbt | need to check it's not GL based though | 21:26 |
| lbt | oh, also got QTablet moving | 21:26 |
| lbt | packaging that tonight I hope | 21:26 |
| lbt | mmm kiwi | 21:26 |
| fiferboy | I've heard of QTablet | 21:26 |
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| lbt | http://qtablet.laginen.net/doku.php | 21:26 |
| lbt | bit embryonic | 21:27 |
| fiferboy | The blog mentions something about a pannable widget, which I assume is different from yours. | 21:28 |
| fiferboy | I think it is in the QAnimationFramework code | 21:28 |
| lbt | yep, I have it running on x86 | 21:28 |
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| lbt | once I package it I'll do an armel build | 21:28 |
| lbt | I also have qtanimationframework waiting | 21:29 |
| fiferboy | Can you tell from the x86 build how complete it is? | 21:29 |
| lbt | yes :( | 21:30 |
| fiferboy | Not very? | 21:30 |
| lbt | well, it doesn't make me think it'll be the #1 ui anytime soon | 21:31 |
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| lbt | but it's small and neat | 21:31 |
| fiferboy | Can you tell if there is any advantage for Qt applications? Faster startup or smoother execuation? | 21:32 |
| luke-jr | yeah, GTK+ sucks | 21:32 |
| fiferboy | luke-jr: I don't think you want to open that particular can of worms here... | 21:33 |
| lbt | well, I assume that once the .so are in memory that it'll be quicker | 21:33 |
| GeneralAntilles | Toolkit wars are about as silly as it gets. | 21:34 |
| GeneralAntilles | Some things work better for some developers, others for other developers. | 21:34 |
| fiferboy | Language wars are good too | 21:34 |
| lbt | whereas colour scheme wars... | 21:34 |
| lbt | they're for the brave | 21:34 |
| GeneralAntilles | The only thing that matters to the end user is that the applications do what they expect them to do in the manner that they expect. | 21:34 |
| GeneralAntilles | lbt, it stopped being about the colors a long time ago. | 21:34 |
| fiferboy | GeneralAntilles: I haven't been following closely, what's it about now? | 21:35 |
| GeneralAntilles | fiferboy, it's mostly about a lot of hostility, negativity and entrenched positions. | 21:35 |
| fiferboy | Doesn't sound like I'm missing out on much, then | 21:36 |
| GeneralAntilles | Nope | 21:36 |
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| fiferboy | lbt: I missed your comment about .so in memory. That's what I thought, but I guess it is hard to tell until you have it running on the tablet | 21:37 |
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| lbt | yes, and gtk is already in there.... when I have pure Qt versions of all the hildon apps I'll let you know... | 21:38 |
| lbt | circa 2020 | 21:38 |
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| fiferboy | GeneralAntilles: Do you remember the roadmap for more Qt integration? Is it the "H" release? | 21:39 |
| GeneralAntilles | Harmattan | 21:39 |
| GeneralAntilles | Which seems likely to be in a 2010-ish timeframe | 21:39 |
| fiferboy | Right. hopefully that is before OS2020 | 21:39 |
| GeneralAntilles | Since, supposedly, there's something relevant coming up in October. | 21:40 |
| fiferboy | lbt: Did you ever try FlickCharm on the tablet? | 21:41 |
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| lbt | no, I admit I read the flickcharm code after I wrote mine and never actually ran it <blush> I stole some optimisations from it and also noticed some areas I think I did better. | 21:43 |
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| fiferboy | I was wondering if there was any performance difference. | 21:45 |
| lbt | I doubt it ... very similar design | 21:45 |
| lbt | mine is more invasive though | 21:46 |
| lbt | flickcharm is designed to be an addon widget to new apps | 21:46 |
| lbt | mine, of course, has to cope with existing apps | 21:46 |
| lbt | so it does things like monitore widget add/remove on the scrollarea | 21:46 |
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| lbt | and intercepts events on them too | 21:46 |
| fiferboy | My tablet struggles with a 1100 item list with photos and FlickCharm. I guess it is just too much for the tablet. | 21:46 |
| fiferboy | Maybe I will try to optimize my paint code for my QItemDelegates | 21:47 |
| lbt | yes, I doubt that's flickcharm per se | 21:47 |
| Passeli | lbt: what stuff are you talking about? | 21:47 |
| fiferboy | With no images it is fairly smooth | 21:48 |
| lbt | Qt port to Mer and some extra finger friendly things | 21:48 |
| lbt | Passel Dantonic ^^ | 21:48 |
| lcuk | fiferboy, how can you expect 1000 images to be smooth anyway | 21:49 |
| lcuk | thats a lorra memory and caching and loading and destroying as you go | 21:49 |
| lcuk | or are they tiny pics | 21:49 |
| fiferboy | Well, not every line has an image. I didn't really expect it to me smooth, but I was hoping. | 21:50 |
| fiferboy | They are about 100x100, so tiny. | 21:50 |
| lbt | fiferboy: if we ever get opengl... maybe | 21:50 |
| lcuk | i once tested liqbase with 25000 sketches in the graffiti wall | 21:50 |
| lcuk | it was lovely | 21:50 |
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| fiferboy | lbt: That would help. Or just a bit more horsepower. Or a little less overhead. | 21:50 |
| slonopotamus | hmm... mplayer can output to fbcon. tablets have fbcon module. anyone tried? | 21:51 |
| fiferboy | lcuk: I assume you are using some pretty optimized thumbnailing code :) | 21:51 |
| Stskeeps | slonopotamus: you dont need fbcon loaded to do that | 21:51 |
| Stskeeps | afaik | 21:51 |
| lcuk | fiferboy, for the sketches? no they are all fully in memory, for pictures yeah i would need to thumbnail them | 21:51 |
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| lcuk | sketches are tiny | 21:52 |
| lcuk | photos are massive | 21:52 |
| slonopotamus | Stskeeps, i wonder if it is better/worse than playing through X | 21:52 |
| lcuk | the blit routines dont care about size tho | 21:52 |
| fiferboy | How much memory is the average sketch? | 21:52 |
| slonopotamus | btw | 21:52 |
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| lcuk | out of 1500 sketches in my current working set, the largest is 99k on disk - they take up less memory when loaded | 21:53 |
| lcuk | most are 10-30k | 21:53 |
| lcuk | a sketch is a collection of strokes | 21:53 |
| lardman | hmm, less memory when loaded? | 21:53 |
| slonopotamus | lcuk, i couldn't find liqbase sources tarball :/ (didn't search much though) | 21:53 |
| lcuk | a stroke is just txyzp | 21:53 |
| lcuk | lardman, yeah - writing out the data in ascii | 21:54 |
| lcuk | vs holding binary ints | 21:54 |
| lardman | lol | 21:54 |
| lardman | oh really? | 21:54 |
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| lcuk | slonopotamus, its not released | 21:54 |
| lardman | why not use some sort of binary format then? | 21:54 |
| lcuk | its not ready | 21:54 |
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| lcuk | cos i wanted to see what they looked like | 21:54 |
| lcuk | and i wanted to put them through irc | 21:54 |
| lcuk | but thats a different story | 21:54 |
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| slonopotamus | lcuk, oh. i read you decided to open it | 21:54 |
| lcuk | i stopped that as soon as i got kicked lol | 21:55 |
| lcuk | slonopotamus, you can come and have a peek at the git if you like :) | 21:55 |
| GAN8001 | lcuk, telepathy | 21:55 |
| GAN8001 | User Jabber or something. | 21:55 |
| GAN8001 | s/User/Use/ | 21:55 |
| infobot | GAN8001 meant: Use Jabber or something. | 21:55 |
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| lcuk | step into #liqbase :) | 21:55 |
| lcuk | gan you havent seen what i want to do with it all yet | 21:55 |
| GAN8001 | I don't want to get my feet dirty. :P | 21:56 |
| fiferboy | lbt: Do your qemu compiled binaries run on the device with no problems? | 21:56 |
| lardman | Wierd, ordered a book through Amazon marketplace for ~£94 and it was shipped straight from Wiley (publisher) with an invoice which says ~£117, hope I don't get charged that | 21:56 |
| lbt | fiferboy: of course :) | 21:56 |
| GAN8001 | lardman, sue! | 21:56 |
| lbt | the next Mer release is 100% pure OBS | 21:56 |
| lardman | GAN8001: bloody Americans! ;) | 21:56 |
| GAN8001 | Ehehe | 21:56 |
| fiferboy | Even with the qt4-dev scratchbox issues? Or is that just for building against your binaries? | 21:56 |
| lbt | well, it's only a silly script in qt4-dev.postinst | 21:57 |
| lbt | actually I need to fix that | 21:57 |
| fiferboy | lbt: Oops, I meant on a device running Hildon... | 21:57 |
| lbt | fiferboy: did you want my Qt finger binaries ? (Andrew?) | 21:58 |
| fiferboy | lbt: I would very much like to try them out. | 21:58 |
| lbt | yeah, they'll be ready thursday from OBS... | 21:58 |
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| fiferboy | Excellent. I only have FlickCharm used in a few places in my code, but I have some places that your fingerscrolling will be much better | 21:59 |
| fiferboy | Drag and drop scrolling widgets come to mind... | 21:59 |
| lbt | works on drag'n'drop too | 22:00 |
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| lbt | you have to 'push and hold' to 'grab' an item | 22:00 |
| lbt | and 'touch and move' to scroll | 22:01 |
| fiferboy | I saw your video with drag'n'drop, quite impressive | 22:01 |
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| lbt | it's quite intuitive | 22:01 |
| fiferboy | And push and hold still works with context menu? | 22:01 |
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| lbt | yes | 22:02 |
| lbt | no spinner in Qt though | 22:02 |
| lbt | (yet) | 22:02 |
| fiferboy | I saw the email about that. A spinner would be nice at some point. | 22:02 |
| fiferboy | Is the timeout for 'push and hold' configurable? | 22:03 |
| lbt | fiferboy: msged you the url | 22:04 |
| lbt | not as such... | 22:04 |
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| lbt | (before my time that!) | 22:04 |
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| fiferboy | What is the timeout to pick up a dragable item versus the timeout for context menu? | 22:05 |
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| yonkeltron | so, is this the wrong place to ask about installing android on the nokia 810? | 22:05 |
| Stskeeps | -- sortof, #nitdroid also exists :) | 22:06 |
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| lbt | fiferboy: draggable ~0.2 sec ... click 2sec | 22:08 |
| lbt | yonkeltron: you want Mer instead... Android is for phones | 22:08 |
| yonkeltron | Mer? | 22:08 |
| lbt | funny you should ask yonkeltron | 22:08 |
| yonkeltron | lbt: and i'm pretty sure android is moving off of phones | 22:08 |
| yonkeltron | lbt: enlighten me? | 22:08 |
| lbt | http://wiki.maemo.org/Mer | 22:08 |
| Stskeeps | yonkeltron: heh, and android on a netbook would be a nightmare to use | 22:09 |
| * Stskeeps yawns and goes back to hacking | 22:09 | |
| * lbt shudders at the thought of it | 22:09 | |
| RST38h | Sts: depends | 22:09 |
| * lbt stops yabbering and hits QTablet with a ./debian | 22:09 | |
| RST38h | Sts: one thing for sure - that netbook isn't gonna run Office =) | 22:09 |
| Stskeeps | hehe | 22:10 |
| lbt | Oh, Mer status FWIW .... http://pastebin.com/d521ac498 | 22:10 |
| RST38h | Maybe they are planning to place android into firmware and let it run in quick-boot mode? | 22:10 |
| yonkeltron | lbt: screenshots of mer, perhaps? | 22:11 |
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| lbt | yonkeltron: follow that link... I'd dig them up but my Qt upload is killing my connection | 22:11 |
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| lbt | try About | 22:12 |
| lbt | yup http://wiki.maemo.org/Mer/About | 22:12 |
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| Stskeeps | that's old screenshots though | 22:13 |
| Stskeeps | http://wiki.maemo.org/Mer/Releases/0.12#Screenshots | 22:13 |
| Stskeeps | more recent | 22:13 |
| RST38h | for god's sake, fix that purple | 22:14 |
| lcuk | Stskeeps, lbt, how on earth would mer cause doomsday | 22:14 |
| lbt | failure to release? | 22:14 |
| lcuk | possibly | 22:14 |
| fiferboy | mer needs to be more orange... | 22:14 |
| Stskeeps | lcuk: i can mention a couple of ways | 22:15 |
| Stskeeps | maemo.org themed, eh? :P | 22:15 |
| lbt | fiferboy: http://www.flickr.com/photos/96141280@N00/3508663122/ | 22:15 |
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| yonkeltron | mer seems nike | 22:22 |
| yonkeltron | nice, too | 22:22 |
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| yonkeltron | lbt: so, if i wanted to install mer, where would i start? | 22:24 |
| lbt | http://wiki.maemo.org/Mer/Documentation/Installation | 22:25 |
| yonkeltron | also, is there a list of Mer pages somewhere? | 22:25 |
| lbt | http://wiki.maemo.org/Mer links to almost all of them.... dig around a bit... | 22:25 |
| yonkeltron | oh! it's there below | 22:26 |
| lbt | :D | 22:26 |
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| GAN8001 | Talking to Apple about meeting halfway. . . . | 22:37 |
| lbt | fiferboy: they're uploaded now | 22:39 |
| fiferboy | lbt: Got them, thanks! | 22:39 |
| lcuk | the n800 just took a trip down the stairs | 22:40 |
| fiferboy | My old Zaurus took a running leap onto a concrete sidewalk once | 22:41 |
| VDVsx | lcuk, np, it's a nokia : http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LqB4UdpUoGM | 22:41 |
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| lcuk | ooooh VDVsx | 22:45 |
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| fiferboy | lbt: Your libraries use newer versions of certain packages (libgcc1, libstdc++6,etc) than Hildon does | 22:50 |
| lbt | aww - so they won't install? | 22:51 |
| lbt | they're ubuntu9.04 based so that makes sens | 22:51 |
| lbt | e | 22:51 |
| fiferboy | Not with a clean dpkg, I'm going to try to force the depends | 22:51 |
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| lbt | fremantle Qt is configured -opengl es2 \ | 22:54 |
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| Ko_deZ | Hi all. I have just built a PC to put in my car, and I need a GUI for it. Maemo seems to hit the spot exactly. Can I install the maemo interface on any computer? | 22:55 |
| fiferboy | They work fine if I force the depends | 22:55 |
| lbt | Ko_deZ: yes.... | 22:56 |
| lbt | fiferboy: cool | 22:56 |
| Ko_deZ | It is a core duo (not 64bit) regular computer (micro ATX) with a 7" touch-screen. | 22:56 |
| lbt | Ko_deZ: you may want to look at Mer as a more open solution... community version of Mer | 22:56 |
| lbt | essentially Ubuntu with touch | 22:56 |
| Ko_deZ | lbt: awsome. I tried googling for a guide, but did not find a whole lot. | 22:56 |
| lbt | and we almost have dl'able i586 | 22:57 |
| lbt | http://wiki.maemo.org/Mer | 22:57 |
| lbt | it is alpha at the moment | 22:57 |
| Ko_deZ | lbt: The main issue is that I need big icons and stuff. Should be able to change songs while driving. 7" and 800x480 is not a whole lot. | 22:57 |
| fiferboy | lbt: Finger scrolling works as well as I could expect (great on small lists with no pics, clunky on huge lists with pics) | 22:57 |
| Ko_deZ | lbt: Will look into Mer though. Thanks. | 22:57 |
| lbt | Ko_deZ: it's the right answer IMHO | 22:57 |
| lbt | we're on #mer | 22:57 |
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| lbt | fiferboy: yes - but a huge list is a bad ui | 22:58 |
| lbt | so fix that first ;) | 22:58 |
| fiferboy | Well, that is basically what my application does - lists. | 22:59 |
| lbt | heh | 22:59 |
| lbt | smaller lists ... ? | 22:59 |
| lcuk | big lists are amazing | 23:00 |
| fiferboy | I have options to filter down the list based on what you want to see, and break it up into sublists, but about half the time I want to see the whole list | 23:00 |
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| lcuk | "see" the whole list, or have all list items there to be scrollable | 23:01 |
| lcuk | "whoa dudes, check out my new 800*48000000000000 lcs | 23:01 |
| lcuk | lcd | 23:01 |
| fiferboy | lcuk: Have the whole list scrollable | 23:01 |
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| lcuk | did you know the bookreader in liqbase is just a listviewer | 23:01 |
| Andrewfblack | Hello | 23:01 |
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| fiferboy | lbt: Selection works great, drag and drop is really impressive, having every scroll area automatically pannable is very refreshing. | 23:03 |
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| lbt | cool - comments to qt4-dev too ;) | 23:03 |
| fiferboy | I will. | 23:03 |
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| fiferboy | Only case I have seen is when a widget is disabled it is still scrollable, even though it isn't with scroll bars. | 23:04 |
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| RST38h | Hello, Andrewfblack | 23:05 |
| RST38h | Andrew: Sorry for a stupid question but where are the new shots of minimalist? | 23:05 |
| Andrewfblack | First post | 23:06 |
| RST38h | ack. | 23:06 |
| Andrewfblack | things have changed a little bit you can tell from first post what new menu looks like the other 3 have old menu on it | 23:06 |
| Andrewfblack | Anyone have any last menu ideas get them in now. I'm going to be taking it out for a beta run soon. | 23:07 |
| RST38h | checking | 23:07 |
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| fiferboy | lbt: QWebView widgets are not scrollable with your code. | 23:09 |
| lbt | no | 23:09 |
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| lbt | need to do the same simple hack sometime soon | 23:10 |
| fiferboy | Thought I would bring it up, as that is a useful place for finger scrolling. | 23:10 |
| lbt | yes, need to id all the widgets that can pan | 23:11 |
| fiferboy | Are there any others you know of that don't inherit QAbstractScrollArea? | 23:11 |
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| xnt14 | hello world! | 23:12 |
| xnt14 | im back from school | 23:12 |
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| RST38h | Andrew: The post author / date /etc can be shown in a single line | 23:14 |
| RST38h | Andrew: Also, I think there is no need to make it white, I would go for a thin 1-pixel frame around post header+body and a thin 1-pixel line separating header from the body | 23:15 |
| RST38h | Andrew: this way it is clear which header relates to which post | 23:15 |
| RST38h | Andrew: the number of top menu items can be reduced and their font size made smaller - right now they are bigger than titles on those shots | 23:16 |
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| RST38h | Andrew: Stuff like Bugs, Talk FAQ, Buddy List, Member List does not have to be there on top | 23:16 |
| RST38h | These items are rarely used | 23:16 |
| RST38h | For the top menu bar I would leave: Home | New | Today | Mark Read | User CP | Subscriptions | 23:17 |
| RST38h | Dunno what Viaspy is so no opinion on that. "Today", "Subscriptions", "Mark Read" can be dropped if the total width becomes a problem (mobile) | 23:18 |
| roope | hi. | 23:18 |
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| RST38h | That's about all feedback. | 23:18 |
| fiferboy | lbt: Do you have any plans or ideas to add a bounce or overshoot? I notice Fremantle has one... | 23:18 |
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| lbt | I'd like to | 23:19 |
| lbt | fremantle gtk? | 23:19 |
| fiferboy | Yes. | 23:21 |
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| fiferboy | It does the "overshoot and scroll back" if I remember correctly. | 23:21 |
| fiferboy | I only tried it breifly in the SDK, though. | 23:21 |
| lbt | yes, 3 features: fingerscroll, bounce, smooth-single-item | 23:21 |
| lbt | but I think we keep them separate | 23:22 |
| lcuk | best way to check out the sdk is with vcn on a tablet | 23:22 |
| lcuk | vnc | 23:22 |
| lbt | to allow any ones to go in | 23:22 |
| lcuk | but can i ask, whats the deal with bouncing and overshooting - the list ended, it stopped | 23:22 |
| fiferboy | smooth-single-item is a good one | 23:22 |
| fiferboy | I'm thinking more for integration with Fremantle, to make the behaviour as close as possible. | 23:23 |
| fiferboy | But other than that, I don't know. | 23:23 |
| fiferboy | Because Apple does it? | 23:23 |
| kfx | :/ | 23:23 |
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| pferrill | anybody get the Freemantle Beta SDK running on Ubuntu 9.04? | 23:24 |
| lbt | it looks cool and sells devices | 23:24 |
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| roope | Go ask Disney. :) | 23:25 |
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| fiferboy | lbt: How are you going to keep them separate? | 23:26 |
| lbt | oh, just seperate patches I meant... | 23:26 |
| lbt | ie make one work, then another, then another | 23:26 |
| fiferboy | Ah, gotcha | 23:26 |
| fiferboy | Right, an incremental approach. | 23:27 |
| lbt | so they can be accepted individually if they aren't all ready in time | 23:27 |
| lcuk | fiferboy, to use something my mother once said if apple jumped off a bridge would you follow? | 23:27 |
| lcuk | :D | 23:27 |
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| fiferboy | I send a (hopefully) rave review of the fingerscroll to qt4-dev | 23:27 |
| lbt | just saw :) Thanks! | 23:28 |
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| fred23 | Hi ! I'd like to file a bug concerning the binutils_2.18.50 found on maemo freemantle pool... But I don't know which "product" to choose from bugzilla.maemo... Does "core" seem acceptable ? thanx | 23:28 |
| fiferboy | lcuk: I'm not saying we should do it because Apple did, but because Fremantle Gtk does and it would be nice to follow the UI | 23:28 |
| lcuk | of course | 23:28 |
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| fiferboy | What if we push Apple off that bridge, though? | 23:28 |
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| paul0 | Maemo uses cryptography to connect to gtalk and sip accounts? | 23:29 |
| lcuk | then you chuck oranges and melons and make a nice fruit salad at the bottom | 23:29 |
| fiferboy | :) | 23:29 |
| fiferboy | lbt: Thanks for letting me try the code. Maybe I can make some contributions. | 23:29 |
| fiferboy | I've got to get going now, though. | 23:29 |
| lcuk | \o hi roope | 23:29 |
| lbt | would be good .... l8r | 23:30 |
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| fred23 | Hi ! I'd like to file a bug concerning the binutils_2.18.50 found on maemo freemantle pool... But I don't know which "product" to choose from bugzilla.maemo... Does "core" seem acceptable ? thanx | 23:30 |
| roope | hi lcuk. | 23:30 |
| Stskeeps | someone really needs to check if some people on Talk are taking their meds. | 23:31 |
| lcuk | heh | 23:31 |
| Stskeeps | and we need a FOAD button. | 23:32 |
| Stskeeps | :P | 23:32 |
| lcuk | isnt that added to moderators interface :D | 23:32 |
| roope | I'd only hope people would have more ... important things to talk about. | 23:32 |
| Stskeeps | please release RX-51 so people will start drooling instead of bitching | 23:33 |
| lcuk | lol roope, at least people are discussing things | 23:33 |
| Stskeeps | this long wait is causing community psychosis, obviously ;) | 23:33 |
| b-man | heh | 23:33 |
| roope | Go and turn off the lights at your room if you want dark things. :) | 23:33 |
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| roope | But yes, that's true of course. rx-51. | 23:33 |
| lcuk | but then itt seems even brighter | 23:34 |
| lcuk | Stskeeps, could you make mer omap driver invert everything | 23:34 |
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| Stskeeps | lcuk: .. anything's possible | 23:34 |
| lcuk | o_O :D | 23:35 |
| lcuk | you have mer on beagle dont you | 23:35 |
| Stskeeps | not at home and i think i erased my installation | 23:35 |
| lcuk | have others been testing it | 23:36 |
| Stskeeps | yeah, kozak for instance | 23:36 |
| lcuk | top banana | 23:36 |
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| suihkulokki | the value of feedback from forums in general seems just way too low be worth reading | 23:37 |
| * b-man trys to think of something that would be fun/useful for Mer that he could create | 23:37 | |
| lcuk | b-man, build an rx-51 from scratch that we can install mer into :) | 23:37 |
| b-man | lol | 23:37 |
| lcuk | might be a bit fiddly soldering the transistors ontothe homemade omap3 chip | 23:38 |
| Stskeeps | b-man: did you sign up for mer-chatter yet? | 23:38 |
| b-man | yup | 23:38 |
| Stskeeps | k | 23:38 |
| Stskeeps | and be in #mer too if so :P | 23:39 |
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| b-man | i was thinking about a menu, kinda like gdm, but it would allow you to boot into different desktop environments | 23:39 |
| Stskeeps | nah - the idea is "Switch to LXDE" etc in powerlaunch menu. | 23:40 |
| Stskeeps | best thing you can do right now is learn powerlaunch scripting | 23:40 |
| Stskeeps | we need someone who can do it | 23:40 |
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| * b-man could try | 23:41 | |
| lcuk | didnt the last person to do that go insane? | 23:41 |
| b-man | lol | 23:41 |
| Stskeeps | b-man: http://powerlaunch.garage.maemo.org/powerlaunch.html | 23:41 |
| Stskeeps | basically it's a language for tablet behaviour | 23:42 |
| lcuk | with the "switch to....." doesnt powerlaunch have to work in each WM? | 23:42 |
| kfx | ...does the author of powerlaunch discuss anywhere why it has an app-specific scripting language | 23:42 |
| Stskeeps | entirely possible | 23:42 |
| Stskeeps | kfx: because there's nothing quite like powerlaunch | 23:43 |
| Stskeeps | but if you want the real reason: he's a computer scientist | 23:43 |
| Stskeeps | :P | 23:43 |
| lcuk | kfx, because sometimes you head down a path and before you realise it you cannot easily change direction | 23:43 |
| kfx | okay that second one is way more believeable :) | 23:43 |
| b-man | XD | 23:43 |
| * b-man may go insane doing this, but he will continue insane or not XD | 23:44 | |
| Stskeeps | b-man: ask me any questions you might have | 23:45 |
| b-man | ok | 23:45 |
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| Stskeeps | read "Config file", "Namespaces", "Handlers" | 23:46 |
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| xnt | hi | 23:57 |
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