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| GeneralAntilles | pupnik_, itT is moving to talk.maemo.org | 00:00 |
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| pupnik_ | achso | 00:01 |
| coeus82 | GeneralAntilles: when is that happening? I saw the post for that but it was several months old | 00:03 |
| GeneralAntilles | coeus82, this week. | 00:03 |
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| xnt | http://xceleo.com/kvm.png :) | 00:07 |
| * xnt wonders if maemo will work in kvm | 00:07 | |
| xnt | or mer | 00:07 |
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| johnx | xnt, that's a neat frontend. what is it? | 00:08 |
| GeneralAntilles | Hey, timely. | 00:09 |
| johnx | and we do have a vmware image for mer, so give it a shot :) | 00:09 |
| xnt | johnx: its virt-manager from the ubuntu repos | 00:09 |
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| xnt | ok | 00:09 |
| * xnt notices 0.13 release | 00:10 | |
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| xnt | do you guys have a iso for mer? | 00:11 |
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| xnt | rootfs to iso? | 00:12 |
| xnt | putting the rootfs to an iso | 00:12 |
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| xnt | vmdk almost done downloading | 00:15 |
| * xnt is glad that he has fios | 00:15 | |
| Macer | wtf | 00:16 |
| Macer | i installed gnome in debian | 00:16 |
| Macer | and now the network settings won't stick and i can't figure it out | 00:16 |
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| xnt | *****0.12 release :P | 00:18 |
| pupnik_ | good idea to move itt to maemo.org | 00:18 |
| pupnik_ | better interlinking | 00:18 |
| xnt | btw ***** means 5 messages before | 00:19 |
| GeneralAntilles | pupnik_, screenshots: http://www.internettablettalk.com/forums/showthread.php?t=28594 | 00:19 |
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| xnt | GA: Nice but I would like a dark theme, easier on the eyes | 00:20 |
| GeneralAntilles | xnt, AFB's going to convert Minimalistic. | 00:20 |
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| xnt | ok :) | 00:20 |
| xnt | vm is being created :) | 00:21 |
| Corsac | ok, I hate MM crashing because of bad gconf settings | 00:21 |
| xnt | what kernel is mer? | 00:23 |
| xnt | 2.6 or 2.4 | 00:23 |
| Corsac | 2.6.21 | 00:23 |
| xnt | Corsac : thanks | 00:24 |
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| xnt | johnx: http://xceleo.com/kvm-mer.png :) I got it working | 00:33 |
| johnx | awesome news. would you mind if I added that screenshot to the wiki? | 00:34 |
| xnt | nope i wouldn't mind ) | 00:34 |
| xnt | :) | 00:34 |
| johnx | also, you might be interested in joining #mer :) | 00:34 |
| xnt | and I can add in the directions later | 00:34 |
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| xnt | oops I forgot :P I just reinstalled ubuntu on my xps so I need to reconfigure xchat | 00:35 |
| ScriptRipper | lbt: did you check how far the arm build came : https://build.opensuse.org/project/monitor?project=Maemo%3AMer%3ADevel | 00:37 |
| lbt | yeah - I'm looking at pulseaudio | 00:37 |
| lbt | and upstart | 00:37 |
| lbt | so I can promote them | 00:38 |
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| z4chh | anyone else thing there n810's metal faceplate looks like it has a blue-ish tint? | 02:22 |
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| fireun | (think their) | 02:23 |
| z4chh | indeed | 02:23 |
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| z4chh | just wondering because i got my n810 today, and i pulled it out and was like "wtf, it looks blue" | 02:24 |
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| pjrm | i've forgotten my garage/wiki maemo.org password. How do i get it reset or mailed to me? | 02:25 |
| z4chh | it is probably just because of the reflection of light though | 02:25 |
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| z4chh | i did get some complaments today when i was using it :D | 02:26 |
| z4chh | mostly... "hey zach...is that your new iphone?" | 02:26 |
| z4chh | ;p | 02:26 |
| luke-jr | z4chh: reflection of the felt case? | 02:27 |
| luke-jr | I hope you told them how iPhone sucks? ;) | 02:27 |
| z4chh | luke-jr, no the metal faceplate to me at least appears to be a blue-ish tint in the light | 02:27 |
| z4chh | luke-jr, nah i didn't want to confuse him more than he was ..i was just like "no....not exactly" | 02:28 |
| z4chh | ;p | 02:28 |
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| z4chh | if i said the iphone sucked to most people my age (highschoolers)....they would dismiss it automatically, everyone just about has an ipod, iphone, ipod touch w/e (except me) hah | 02:30 |
| z4chh | i won't have anything to do with apple myself..i will never buy their products and if i accidently accquired one for free..it will be sold as soon as possible or be in the trash ;) | 02:31 |
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| luke-jr | can you write down my address and label it "Trash"? | 02:31 |
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| z4chh | xD | 02:32 |
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| z4chh | im trying to get used to n810 keyboard by typing pointless stuff in notes as fast as i can | 02:36 |
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| z4chh | i do really like it though! | 02:39 |
| z4chh | especially having a n800 for like 2 years | 02:39 |
| xnt | z4chh: actually the only thing I find wrong with the iphone/ipod is the sdk restrictions :P but i sort of hate the iphoneos, linux+ mer/maemo+ iphone+ hw keyboard(maybe?)= my dream device | 02:41 |
| pjrm | xnt: if not using apple software, then what's the appeal of the iphone ? | 02:42 |
| xnt | iphone = quality hardware (sort of :P) | 02:42 |
| pjrm | nokia tablets have a higher resolution screen, for example (last time i looked at iphone specs) | 02:43 |
| xnt | iphone res: 320 x 480 but i really don't care | 02:43 |
| xnt | i have both | 02:43 |
| xnt | and I like the n810 for its hackability | 02:43 |
| xnt | and hw kb | 02:43 |
| xnt | and I like the iphone for its sleekness | 02:43 |
| z4chh | apple does come out with some sleek stuff...but i refuse to marry them | 02:44 |
| pupnik_ | the metal case picks up blue from the sky | 02:45 |
| z4chh | really? | 02:45 |
| pupnik_ | but it's also a bit blue | 02:45 |
| pupnik_ | grey with a hint of blue | 02:45 |
| z4chh | oh ok | 02:45 |
| pupnik_ | on a sunny day, mine looks bluer | 02:45 |
| pupnik_ | under incandescent, it looks brown-grey | 02:46 |
| z4chh | i have been using it outside for the short time ive had it so far | 02:46 |
| pupnik_ | kind of neat | 02:46 |
| z4chh | i love the transreflective display! | 02:46 |
| z4chh | with my n800...it just totally fails outside | 02:47 |
| pupnik_ | yes. wait til you get used to the keyboard | 02:47 |
| pupnik_ | it totally owns tapping the screen | 02:47 |
| z4chh | being an n800 owner for all this time, im really pleased with this n810 i got | 02:47 |
| z4chh | of course the major drawback is the sd slots | 02:48 |
| pupnik_ | i'm very harsh on mine - unprotected in pockets, pens, pencils, even a screwdriver find use as stylus | 02:48 |
| z4chh | but ive got an n800 with 2x 16gb sdhc :) | 02:48 |
| pupnik_ | nice | 02:48 |
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| z4chh | i like the little case it came with hah | 02:48 |
| z4chh | it actually fits in there pretty snug | 02:49 |
| pupnik_ | yeah | 02:49 |
| pupnik_ | wonder where mine is | 02:49 |
| z4chh | and i like the thin stylus | 02:49 |
| pupnik_ | i'm just saying it's quite a tank | 02:49 |
| pupnik_ | has survived several drops | 02:49 |
| z4chh | does it look beaten up? | 02:49 |
| pupnik_ | no. can't see a scratch on the screen - the kickstand got a bit bent during a fall though | 02:49 |
| z4chh | the little black cloth it came with is nice also | 02:50 |
| z4chh | does a lot better than my shirt | 02:50 |
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| johnx | hey lcuk :) | 02:53 |
| z4chh | hi lcuk | 02:53 |
| lcuk | hiya | 02:54 |
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| torkiano | mmmm | 03:43 |
| torkiano | maemo 5 beta is out? | 03:43 |
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| GeneralAntilles | Not yet | 03:44 |
| torkiano | I think soon :) | 03:45 |
| torkiano | http://maemo.org/api_refs/5.0/beta/ | 03:45 |
| zakkm | last edited- today? | 03:46 |
| CutMeOwnThroat | z4chh, specially if you ever have an apple laptop, let me trash it for you | 03:50 |
| zakkm | apple laptops are awesome! | 03:51 |
| z4chh | o_o | 03:52 |
| z4chh | that uhm sarcasm? ;p | 03:52 |
| CutMeOwnThroat | zakkm, they are - and you can just put linux on them like on any laptop :) | 03:52 |
| GeneralAntilles | Apple latops are surprisingly failure prone. | 03:53 |
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| zakkm | apple is a high brand, totally get what you pay for | 03:53 |
| CutMeOwnThroat | yeah... like...failure to let themselves be bought at a reasonable price | 03:54 |
| CutMeOwnThroat | but that wouldn't matter, because I would just "trash" (ahem) it for z4chh | 03:54 |
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| zakkm | i wish i could have a apple laptop | 03:55 |
| zakkm | run osx as a desktop | 03:56 |
| CutMeOwnThroat | of course, it might also be fun to play around with the apple os for a while | 03:56 |
| CutMeOwnThroat | although it'd surely get on my nerves for being different after a while | 03:56 |
| zakkm | ;o | 03:57 |
| zakkm | apple OS is the only true OS, windows isnt a os ;p its garbage | 03:57 |
| GeneralAntilles | CutMeOwnThroat, what's your current desktop? | 03:57 |
| CutMeOwnThroat | GeneralAntilles, hmm, how to answer that | 03:57 |
| CutMeOwnThroat | custom configured fvwm2 | 03:58 |
| zakkm | no fvwm-crystal? :) | 03:58 |
| zakkm | and you choose that over osx? | 03:58 |
| GeneralAntilles | CutMeOwnThroat, yeah, I don't think Aqua would cut it for you. | 03:58 |
| zakkm | generalantilles: still using adium irc, or did you go back? | 03:58 |
| GeneralAntilles | zakkm, still using it. | 03:59 |
| CutMeOwnThroat | well... a) my own config is what I'm used to for years, so ... yeah, even if it looks ugly and everything I prefer it | 03:59 |
| GeneralAntilles | The background CPU consumption alone is enough to make me switch at this point. | 03:59 |
| zakkm | did you set it to automatically join channels? | 03:59 |
| GeneralAntilles | Nope | 03:59 |
| GeneralAntilles | I need to tweak the theme at some point. | 04:00 |
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| zakkm | i use the default "Smooth operator" :D | 04:00 |
| CutMeOwnThroat | and b) my comment on osx was more about the underlying system - it'd be annoying because device structure and other things would be different so you start over learning | 04:00 |
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| zakkm | you dont have to learn anything ;p | 04:00 |
| zakkm | it doesnt require you too | 04:01 |
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| CutMeOwnThroat | it does, when I want to change something | 04:01 |
| CutMeOwnThroat | or need to | 04:01 |
| zakkm | i was referring to its a easy OS | 04:01 |
| zakkm | installs are drag and drop. dock is awesome ;p better built in stuff | 04:02 |
| zakkm | generalantilles: did you see "Knots" ? | 04:02 |
| zakkm | for the tablet? | 04:02 |
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| CutMeOwnThroat | hm, I actually already had fvwm-crystal installed | 04:02 |
| zakkm | cause it pwns :) | 04:03 |
| zakkm | reason i bought my old nokia 770 was to try and run fvwm-crystal on it ;p | 04:03 |
| GeneralAntilles | zakkm, many months ago. | 04:03 |
| zakkm | generalantilles: just discovered it like 20 hours ago, and the guy helped me set it up , works so nice : ) | 04:03 |
| CutMeOwnThroat | ... now I'll have to start a 2nd Xserver and see what it looks like | 04:04 |
| luke-jr | be glad you don't live in the USA | 04:05 |
| luke-jr | unless you do | 04:05 |
| luke-jr | then run for it | 04:05 |
| zakkm | ? | 04:06 |
| zakkm | luke-jr: ? | 04:06 |
| luke-jr | zakkm: this country is worse than a dictatorship | 04:07 |
| zakkm | lol | 04:07 |
| CutMeOwnThroat | luke-jr, so how many dictatorships have you lived in, exactly? | 04:07 |
| GeneralAntilles | lol | 04:07 |
| zakkm | i know enough in the US , some arent doing so bad | 04:07 |
| luke-jr | CutMeOwnThroat: none | 04:07 |
| CutMeOwnThroat | hmmmm... | 04:07 |
| GeneralAntilles | US is bad, but it's better than the alternatives. | 04:07 |
| luke-jr | GeneralAntilles: is it? | 04:08 |
| zakkm | i live in CANADA :) | 04:08 |
| luke-jr | we have no rights | 04:08 |
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| GeneralAntilles | We have a helluva lot of rights compared to most places. | 04:08 |
| luke-jr | zakkm: ok, I guess you just made GeneralAntilles's point about alternatives | 04:08 |
| luke-jr | GeneralAntilles: only if you don't exercise them ;)- | 04:08 |
| CutMeOwnThroat | luke-jr, how many countries ruled by a dictator have you VISITED, then? | 04:08 |
| luke-jr | try to exercise your rights, and you'll end up dead or in jail | 04:08 |
| zakkm | rights dont have to be used? | 04:08 |
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| luke-jr | CutMeOwnThroat: I cannot leave the state of Nebraska. | 04:08 |
| zakkm | luke-jr: not everybody lives where you live | 04:09 |
| luke-jr | zakkm: they're rights on paper only | 04:09 |
| CutMeOwnThroat | you can't? | 04:09 |
| luke-jr | CutMeOwnThroat: not without being punished for it | 04:09 |
| CutMeOwnThroat | good place for rights, on paper | 04:09 |
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| luke-jr | or at least chased | 04:09 |
| zakkm | even better is stoned :) | 04:09 |
| zakkm | good ole cave people :D | 04:09 |
| zakkm | written in stone :) | 04:10 |
| luke-jr | maybe single people have some rights | 04:10 |
| zakkm | ? | 04:10 |
| zakkm | why cant you leave a state? | 04:10 |
| xnt | ? | 04:10 |
| zakkm | luke-jr: why cant you leave the state? | 04:10 |
| * xnt is confused | 04:10 | |
| CutMeOwnThroat | zakkm, compiz would be funny if you could use 4 dimensinal hypercubes... can't understand why it wouldn't support this | 04:10 |
| zakkm | you can add more than 4? | 04:11 |
| zakkm | you can have 64 sides? | 04:11 |
| xnt | cmot: yeah | 04:11 |
| xnt | zakkm: yes that is possible (i think) | 04:11 |
| CutMeOwnThroat | zakkm, yes, but it only becomse a type of torus | 04:11 |
| luke-jr | zakkm: they'll chase me and arrest me | 04:11 |
| luke-jr | http://www.senatornancyschaefer.com/newsletters_updates.php?filter=43 | 04:11 |
| zakkm | cutmeownthroat: you dont have unofficial / extras plugins installed do you? | 04:11 |
| zakkm | theres more to compiz than in repository | 04:12 |
| zakkm | svn and git has tonssssssssss of plugins.. 100's worth | 04:12 |
| zakkm | that arent in any repository | 04:12 |
| CutMeOwnThroat | I tried all the stuff that Debian had | 04:12 |
| luke-jr | zakkm: they make a profit off denying my rights | 04:12 |
| CutMeOwnThroat | but the desktop just wouldn't become big enough for me | 04:12 |
| luke-jr | a huge profit | 04:12 |
| CutMeOwnThroat | I GOT IT! | 04:12 |
| zakkm | big enouigh? | 04:13 |
| CutMeOwnThroat | luke-jr, is the gopher they show around on gophers day! | 04:13 |
| zakkm | bigger monitor, lower DPI, ? | 04:13 |
| luke-jr | CutMeOwnThroat: go read the article | 04:13 |
| xnt | cmot: compiz-svn | 04:14 |
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| killfill | hi | 04:15 |
| killfill | its impossible to download nokia's firmware... | 04:15 |
| killfill | ( RX-34_DIABLO_5.2008.43-7_PR_COMBINED_MR0_ARM.bin ) | 04:15 |
| killfill | where could i download it form another place? | 04:15 |
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| luke-jr | killfill: you can't; keep trying | 04:15 |
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| killfill | 916bytes/s.. :S | 04:16 |
| luke-jr | killfill: Nokia is closed source, so it's illegal for us to send it to you | 04:16 |
| luke-jr | sorry | 04:16 |
| killfill | :S | 04:16 |
| killfill | isnt there a open-source one?.. :P | 04:16 |
| luke-jr | yeah, that was my reaction at some points too | 04:16 |
| luke-jr | nope | 04:16 |
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| luke-jr | Nokia may market their stuff as open source, but it's a lie. It is not possible to use it without closed source | 04:17 |
| killfill | yup | 04:17 |
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| luke-jr | hm | 04:17 |
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| luke-jr | I wonder if they do in fact advertise that | 04:17 |
| GeneralAntilles | luke-jr, Nokia doesn't market their stuff as open source. | 04:17 |
| luke-jr | ah, just rumour then :< | 04:18 |
| GeneralAntilles | So you say something like it's a fact, then wonder if it's actually true 30 seconds later? | 04:18 |
| luke-jr | or false hope | 04:18 |
| luke-jr | GeneralAntilles: "may" | 04:18 |
| GeneralAntilles | I don't think may means what you think it means in that context. | 04:18 |
| luke-jr | eg, I didn't say "Nokia does market…" | 04:18 |
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| CutMeOwnThroat | and which of them is you? | 04:22 |
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| xnt | luke-jr: that story is messed up, read the part about the foster parent leaving the baby in the car | 04:24 |
| xnt | well the actions of the cps is | 04:25 |
| CutMeOwnThroat | xnt, and anyway... he's the grandma? rright | 04:25 |
| xnt | no read ctrl+f in firefox: While in their anxiety and turmoil to get their child home, the baby was left for hours in a car to die in the heat in her car seat by a foster parent who forgot a | 04:27 |
| xnt | copy and paste that segment then do ctrl+f and paste | 04:27 |
| CutMeOwnThroat | it also fails to mention that the mother was a drug-addict, which was the reason the child was taken from her in the first place | 04:27 |
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| CutMeOwnThroat | open needles lying around all over the house when they 1st took the kid | 04:28 |
| xnt | and the grandmother? | 04:28 |
| CutMeOwnThroat | a dealer? | 04:28 |
| CutMeOwnThroat | what do I know | 04:28 |
| xnt | :P nevermind | 04:28 |
| CutMeOwnThroat | I just say the article doesn't even mention why it was taken away | 04:29 |
| CutMeOwnThroat | this is clearly written in a one-sided way | 04:29 |
| xnt | well the point is that the part about the car is sad | 04:29 |
| luke-jr | xnt: it's all true | 04:29 |
| xnt | seriously killing a baby because of carelessness? | 04:29 |
| luke-jr | no, CPS being abusive | 04:30 |
| xnt | exactly | 04:30 |
| CutMeOwnThroat | so you can't leave your state because you're locked into a car? | 04:30 |
| xnt | ? | 04:31 |
| luke-jr | CutMeOwnThroat: because the state kidnapped my kids | 04:32 |
| xnt | cmot, luke-jr: read little brother its a cc book http://craphound.com/littlebrother/download/ | 04:32 |
| xnt | brb | 04:32 |
| luke-jr | xnt: why? | 04:33 |
| luke-jr | I know from experience that CPS has no legitimacy in at least the majority of their abuse. | 04:34 |
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| xnt | luke-jr: its about a 17 year old in sf and his city is attacked and the dhs violates the bill of rights, and takes everyone's privacy away, and how he stopped them, its a good read, and it has linux in it too :) | 04:37 |
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| z4chh | how come transfering a backup folder from device to another doesn't get recognized by the backup/restore program? | 04:43 |
| z4chh | ahhh | 04:47 |
| z4chh | it has to be in a folder called backups | 04:47 |
| z4chh | :) | 04:47 |
| z4chh | butter me up | 04:48 |
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| z4chh | i get a Connection refused when i try to ssh onto my new n810..did i miss something during install? o_o | 05:48 |
| zakkm | you have ssh installed on tablet? | 05:49 |
| zakkm | did you say yes to adding key when you tried connecting? | 05:49 |
| zakkm | did you connect user@ip ? | 05:49 |
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| CutMeOwnThroat | did you do it from inside the NAT... | 05:52 |
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| z4chh | eh NAT? | 05:53 |
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| z4chh | zakkm, all that checks out | 05:53 |
| z4chh | Connection Refused is usually a hosts.deny error o.o | 05:54 |
| z4chh | in which case i would add in the sshd: ALL: ALLOW | 05:54 |
| z4chh | hosts.allow | 05:54 |
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| zakkm | z4chh: it shouldnt have to | 05:55 |
| zakkm | z4chh: openssh or dropbear ssh? | 05:55 |
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| z4chh | openssh | 05:56 |
| z4chh | i have that...and openssh-client openssh-server | 05:56 |
| zakkm | you installed, you set a key | 05:57 |
| z4chh | no | 05:57 |
| z4chh | a password maybe | 05:57 |
| zakkm | nokia contrlling pc or pc controlling computer? | 05:57 |
| z4chh | i guess that is key | 05:57 |
| zakkm | password gets encrypted = key . | 05:57 |
| zakkm | compute ryou put ssh root@192.168.x.xxx ? | 05:57 |
| z4chh | im using remote computer to ssh onto my new n810 | 05:57 |
| zakkm | and said yes to allow? | 05:57 |
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| z4chh | nah right away i get | 05:58 |
| z4chh | ssh: connect to host 10.13.37.252 port 22: Connection refused | 05:58 |
| zakkm | you connecting from same wireless? | 05:58 |
| zakkm | same network? | 05:58 |
| johnx | try sshing to the tablet from itself | 05:58 |
| z4chh | yes | 05:58 |
| z4chh | johnx, that works :D | 05:59 |
| zakkm | oh on 10 | 05:59 |
| zakkm | ssh root@10.13.37.252 ? | 05:59 |
| zakkm | you did? | 05:59 |
| johnx | yeah, give that a shot too | 05:59 |
| z4chh | johnx, my tablet can ssh onto the machine that i tried to ssh into my tablet with | 05:59 |
| z4chh | zakkm, yes | 05:59 |
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| zakkm | you check ifconfig wlan0 to make sure thats the right ip of the tablet? | 05:59 |
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| z4chh | whoa wtf | 05:59 |
| johnx | ok, next step, try turning off wifi power saving mode temporarily to test | 05:59 |
| z4chh | it magically worked when i just did it now o_O | 06:00 |
| johnx | could be a wifi power saving issue | 06:00 |
| zakkm | wooh | 06:00 |
| zakkm | ;p | 06:00 |
| zakkm | johnx: what tablet you have? :) | 06:00 |
| z4chh | thanks for your help, although im not a big fan of getting something to work and having no idea how | 06:01 |
| z4chh | ;p | 06:01 |
| johnx | if it fails later, look at wifi psm | 06:01 |
| johnx | zakkm, n800 | 06:01 |
| z4chh | alright | 06:01 |
| zakkm | z4chh: you check out knots? :) | 06:01 |
| zakkm | coolest app ever :D | 06:02 |
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| z4chh | johnx, from a long time n800 user and recent n810 owner...i say getting an n810 is worth it ;p | 06:02 |
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| z4chh | zakkm, no what is it? | 06:02 |
| johnx | z4chh, why? | 06:02 |
| zakkm | it lets you share your media from your computer | 06:02 |
| zakkm | and view it on your tablet | 06:02 |
| zakkm | it transcodes while you start video | 06:02 |
| zakkm | computer would transcode on-the-fly | 06:02 |
| zakkm | nice ui on tablet and such | 06:02 |
| zakkm | i want a n810 :D | 06:02 |
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| zakkm | so expensive | 06:03 |
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| johnx | back later, gotta eat dinner | 06:03 |
| luke-jr | oh fun | 06:04 |
| luke-jr | retarded telepathy-gabble eats 99% CPU | 06:04 |
| luke-jr | any way to kill it off? | 06:04 |
| luke-jr | (permenantly) | 06:04 |
| zakkm | whats gabby? | 06:04 |
| zakkm | hey you happen to know the msn haze fix? :) | 06:04 |
| z4chh | johnx, well since you may not share my views..from a logical standpoint 1. it is dropped in price significantly 2. it is a sleek device with some truly nice upgrades (just dont have the sd slots) 3. n810 comes with some cool stuff | 06:04 |
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| z4chh | alright hmmm ssh connection closed, i try ssh again, connection refused (again)..i turned off psm..no effect | 06:11 |
| z4chh | this is odd | 06:11 |
| zakkm | heh | 06:11 |
| zakkm | kill it? | 06:11 |
| zakkm | does sftp work? | 06:11 |
| z4chh | no o.o | 06:12 |
| z4chh | connection refused >.> | 06:13 |
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| luke-jr | why does my wifi think it is 00:02:ee:c0:ff:ee ? | 06:33 |
| luke-jr | :/ | 06:33 |
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| man_in_pda | are there light-weight themes for maemo/hildon? | 07:34 |
| GeneralAntilles | light-weight? | 07:35 |
| man_in_pda | :) | 07:35 |
| GeneralAntilles | There isn't much weight to the default themes. | 07:35 |
| zakkm | minimalistic you mean? | 07:36 |
| GeneralAntilles | Hildon, not itT. | 07:36 |
| man_in_pda | well | 07:37 |
| zakkm | in terms of cpu/ram and such, you cant really get much quicker / less system intensive | 07:37 |
| zakkm | you can get smaller fonts and transparent ui ? | 07:37 |
| man_in_pda | hmm | 07:40 |
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| zakkm | hey is it possible to have more than 127 brightness's on n800, having brightness at 1 is too high for me and 0 makes everything total darkness on n800 | 08:33 |
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| GeneralAntilles | No, that's the hardware limit. | 08:35 |
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| johnx | zakkm, also, cross posting isn't cool :P | 08:36 |
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| thux | morning, morgon, dobroe utro, | 09:04 |
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| paul0 | i've just read about the Maemo 5 (Fremantle), it wil run on N800? | 09:23 |
| StsN800 | nop | 09:26 |
| paul0 | :/ | 09:28 |
| StsN800 | ~mer | 09:31 |
| infobot | mer is probably http://wiki.maemo.org/Mer | 09:31 |
| StsN800 | will be the cloz | 09:31 |
| StsN800 | closest api wise | 09:31 |
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| radic | what's the repository for abiword? | 10:02 |
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| aquatix | radic: isn't it in Extra? | 10:11 |
| radic | no | 10:11 |
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| danielwilms | its in extras-devel | 10:13 |
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| radic | danielwilms: ahh, that's not in my list | 10:15 |
| radic | can you give me the entry? | 10:15 |
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| danielwilms | radic: the url is http://repository.maemo.org/extras-devel | 10:17 |
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| danielwilms | radic: the rest u can take from the extras-entry, depends on the release you are using ;) | 10:20 |
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| Jaffa | re | 10:55 |
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| Stskeeps | morning | 11:08 |
| keesj | HI | 11:09 |
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| * Stskeeps ponders if today or tomorrow is beta release | 11:10 | |
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| Macer | for? | 11:17 |
| Macer | how is that n800 working out Stskeeps ? | 11:18 |
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| Macer | no scrolling screen helping a bit? ;) | 11:18 |
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| Stskeeps | Macer: yeah | 11:24 |
| Stskeeps | i had a small scare when it started flickering different colours all of a sudden, but i think that was just an odd fluke | 11:24 |
| Stskeeps | didn't happen again | 11:25 |
| Stskeeps | if so that'd just be the lcd connector | 11:25 |
| Stskeeps | which i know how to put in place | 11:25 |
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| mgedmin | telling horror stories next to a bonfire? | 11:29 |
| * rmt yawwwwnlegs | 11:29 | |
| mgedmin | have I ever told how I cracked my n810's LCD? | 11:30 |
| Stskeeps | did you see my scrolling LCD? :P | 11:30 |
| mgedmin | no | 11:33 |
| Stskeeps | http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hcm5TYGwTwU | 11:34 |
| RST38h | Sts: It is gently reminding you that it is time to buy n9x0? =) | 11:37 |
| Stskeeps | after a year, yes | 11:37 |
| RST38h | Does not look like a problem with LCD though | 11:37 |
| Stskeeps | probably blizzard chip | 11:38 |
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| Stskeeps | mgedmin: you were the one to log #maemo or how was it? | 13:06 |
| Stskeeps | nm, i'll just use your script :) | 13:07 |
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| mgedmin | Stskeeps: yep | 13:45 |
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| wazd_n800 | Heyhey! | 13:54 |
| wazd_n800 | Beta SDK released! | 13:54 |
| Stskeeps | woo! | 13:55 |
| Stskeeps | i don't see it yet :p | 13:55 |
| wazd_n800 | I'm at Fruct, it was announced | 13:55 |
| Stskeeps | hehe | 13:55 |
| Jaffa | Indeed :) | 13:55 |
| Jaffa | No announcement on maemo.org yet. | 13:56 |
| X-Fade | Well, announce != available ;) | 13:56 |
| Jaffa | wazd_n800: anything with the announcement, or is it just the SDK? | 13:56 |
| * Jaffa likes getting the beta SDK, but would rather have some h/w :) | 13:56 | |
| wazd_n800 | X-Fade well, they told that it's already available | 13:56 |
| X-Fade | wazd_n800: Marketing speech ;) | 13:57 |
| Stskeeps | there goes the week | 13:57 |
| Jaffa | wazd_n800: Perhaps it is if you can randomly guess URLs. | 13:57 |
| Stskeeps | wazd_n800: saw any demos? | 13:58 |
| wazd_n800 | well, they started to describe it right now | 13:58 |
| wazd_n800 | Stskeeps, maybe they will show'em later | 13:58 |
| Stskeeps | Jaffa: heads up btw, we'll change where rss comes from, as i want to drop jaiku | 13:59 |
| Stskeeps | there'll come a mail around about the "new ways" later | 13:59 |
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| wazd_n800 | I'll keep you in touch) | 14:00 |
| Jaffa | Stskeeps: cool, if you can get them side-by-side running for a while (or the new one set up before dropping Jaiku), I should be able to make the transition seamless. | 14:00 |
| Stskeeps | yep | 14:00 |
| RST38h | moo wazd | 14:00 |
| RST38h | wazd: So what is new in the beta SDK? | 14:01 |
| mikkov_ | this was earlier at itt http://maemo.org/api_refs/5.0/beta/ | 14:01 |
| Stskeeps | mikkov_: nothing interesting though, some new widgets thoug | 14:01 |
| wazd_n800 | RST38h, they're telling bout SDK+ now( | 14:03 |
| Jaffa | Beta SDK should contain a frozen API and proper documentation (incl. UI guidelines) and some Hildon Desktop stuff. | 14:03 |
| wazd_n800 | BTW, Mer was already mentioned by Eero Tamminen) | 14:03 |
| Stskeeps | wazd_n800: should shake Eero's hand - he has done a really impressive job with Maemo and streamlining it with performance | 14:04 |
| wazd_n800 | lcuk, ping?) | 14:07 |
| wazd_n800 | sts | 14:07 |
| wazd_n800 | Stskeeps, ok) | 14:07 |
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| RST38h | wazd: MaemoSDK+ is different stuff, old too | 14:08 |
| RST38h | aka Scratchbox2, basically | 14:08 |
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| wazd_n800 | they actually shown Beta SDK maemo.org page sooo X-Fade is hiding something :P | 14:10 |
| X-Fade | wazd_n800: Heh, I don't have it. Honestly. | 14:10 |
| * RST38h counts scalpels and scissors, while looking at X-Fade meaningfully | 14:12 | |
| X-Fade | RST38h: I'm on your side of the firewall, so really.. I don't have it. | 14:13 |
| RST38h | :) | 14:14 |
| RST38h | X-Fade: Hour later or earlier, it does not really matter | 14:14 |
| RST38h | Would be cool if at least some of the applications are included though... | 14:15 |
| lcuk | wazd_n800, hi | 14:15 |
| lcuk | have you met up with vlad then | 14:15 |
| RST38h | moo lcuk | 14:16 |
| lcuk | hey rst | 14:16 |
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| mikkov_ | Maemo 5 Beta SDK link is appearing and disapperaring at http://maemo.org/development/sdks/ menubar | 14:17 |
| lcuk | its like the tardis | 14:18 |
| X-Fade | mikkov_: <blink>link</blink> ? :D | 14:18 |
| lcuk | lol X-Fade | 14:18 |
| mikkov_ | reloading makes it appear and disappear randomly | 14:18 |
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| mikkov_ | http://maemo.org/development/sdks/maemo_5_beta_sdk/ | 14:19 |
| Stskeeps | works on and off | 14:19 |
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| RST38h | Not here | 14:19 |
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| mikkov_ | now it works | 14:19 |
| lcuk | server side blink! | 14:19 |
| lcuk | web 2.0 | 14:19 |
| mikkov_ | now it disappeared :) | 14:20 |
| lcuk | the poor 770 on the desk at the side of x-fade is up in smoke | 14:20 |
| X-Fade | lcuk: Cracked the case open and added a fan ;) | 14:20 |
| RST38h | It shows up in Firefox but not in IE | 14:20 |
| RST38h | Sneaky | 14:20 |
| wazd_n800 | lcuk: heya) | 14:20 |
| RST38h | X-Fade: So, does it levitate now? =) | 14:20 |
| X-Fade | RST38h: Well one thing is for sure, we don't check for your browser ;) | 14:21 |
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| Stskeeps | FM transmit api, neat | 14:21 |
| RST38h | status area and task switcher are still missing | 14:21 |
| X-Fade | You're probably hopping from server to server by the loadbalancer. | 14:21 |
| lcuk | x-fade does the difference indicate you actually have a cluster :O | 14:21 |
| RST38h | so, it is more like alpha than beta... | 14:21 |
| wazd_n800 | lcuk: Vlad told me bout your drunk parties :D | 14:21 |
| Stskeeps | RST38h: check if it says "alpha" in top | 14:21 |
| RST38h | AH! | 14:21 |
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| RST38h | Sts: looks like release notes are still from Alpha! | 14:22 |
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| Stskeeps | sdk release days are kinda like christmas | 14:23 |
| Stskeeps | :P | 14:23 |
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| wazd_n800 | lcuk: Vlad asks, how's your finger? | 14:23 |
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| wazd_n800 | so, is beta online? | 14:24 |
| X-Fade | wazd_n800: no | 14:24 |
| lcuk | wazd_n800, it hurts like a bitch, but the electric shock feeling has stopped | 14:24 |
| lcuk | X-Fade, did you see the xray :O | 14:25 |
| mikkov_ | here's something but I can't login http://maemo.org/development/sdks/maemo_5_beta_docs/ | 14:28 |
| X-Fade | Lol, detective mikkov ;) | 14:28 |
| wazd_n800 | =)) | 14:28 |
| lcuk | \o danielwilms | 14:29 |
| mikkov_ | the link is at beta sdk page if happen to be lucky to get it loaded | 14:29 |
| mikkov_ | there is no installer links yet | 14:29 |
| lcuk | wazd_n800, i had to stay mostly sober, but on the first night i drank more than usual lol | 14:31 |
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| RST38h | maemo_5_beta_sdk page is gone again | 14:33 |
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| RST38h | Meanwhile, the fit-width-to-view debacle continues... | 14:38 |
| andre__ | does it? | 14:38 |
| RST38h | yea, check the ITT | 14:38 |
| Stskeeps | 'lo andre__ | 14:39 |
| andre__ | maybe "debacle" is a too strong word to me :) | 14:39 |
| andre__ | heja | 14:39 |
| RST38h | andre: lots of responses to this thread | 14:40 |
| * RST38h would really just suggest that Nokia keeps the option but reimplements it in some saner way | 14:40 | |
| andre__ | ...which i wouldn't call a debacle, but open source culture :-P | 14:40 |
| andre__ | hmm, well. to me it's broken by design | 14:40 |
| cosmo_ | is there ping6 available for os2008 somewhere? | 14:41 |
| RST38h | andre: this has nothing to do with open source culture, it is just a bunch of vocal users disagreeing with a decisionmade by the manufacturer | 14:41 |
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| RST38h | andre: dunno, maybe some redefinition of how it operates would work | 14:41 |
| andre__ | cosmo_, if so, it's included in busybox | 14:41 |
| andre__ | RST38h, hmm, right | 14:42 |
| RST38h | andre: because the need to reflow the page that does not fit the screen is indeed there | 14:42 |
| andre__ | cosmo_, ping6 should be available in Fremantle according to https://bugs.maemo.org/show_bug.cgi?id=989#c19 | 14:42 |
| cosmo_ | andre__: nope. i guess ipv6 is not "officially supported" | 14:42 |
| andre__ | it's not for Diablo | 14:43 |
| * Stskeeps really thought it was in maemo4 | 14:43 | |
| RST38h | andre: Maybe replace "Fit" with "Attempt to fit" and bail out when the page layout does not allow it | 14:43 |
| lcuk | how would you know the page doesnt allow it? | 14:43 |
| andre__ | RST38h, i agree there's a need. however, the current approach is busted. and rewriting it does not seem to be an option - dead end. don't know myself (not a dev), but that's the feedback i've heard | 14:44 |
| lcuk | RST38h, websites that supportfit to width themselves do it already? | 14:45 |
| lcuk | thats normal html | 14:45 |
| lcuk | moan at site operators for expecting too much space | 14:45 |
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| * lcuk has a pet peeve with sites that DONT adjust themselves to my window | 14:46 | |
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| RST38h | lcuk: Oh nobody does it nowadays, including our very own "new maemo.org design" (sic) | 14:46 |
| lcuk | on my desktop i hate seeing sites with huge white gaps at the sides cos they deem it right to automatically cuttext into thin columns | 14:46 |
| RST38h | lcuk: But some sites can still be reflown | 14:46 |
| andre__ | *drumroll*: http://repository.maemo.org/pool/maemo5.0beta/ | 14:46 |
| jjo | it's not all there yet | 14:47 |
| jjo | please wait a while ;) | 14:47 |
| Stskeeps | Jaffa: http://n2.nabble.com/Mer-Chatter-f2732813.xml | 14:47 |
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| RST38h | lcuk: Things went out of the window the moment some bright mind decided to introduce CSS | 14:47 |
| * lcuk watches as andre__'s drumsticks are confescated lol | 14:48 | |
| RST38h | lcuk: I still remember the famous "IMG tag considered harmful" argument, but what really killed HTML was CSS | 14:48 |
| lcuk | nothing "killed" html, sites have always had the ability to misbehave and layout badly | 14:49 |
| andre__ | grumble. :-P | 14:49 |
| lcuk | isnt geocities just being taken down now lol | 14:49 |
| andre__ | no, there's a company continuing with geocities iirc | 14:49 |
| lcuk | the site itself is goin down, there was a posting about someone archiving it with a view to making it available | 14:49 |
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| lcuk | (slashdot posting) | 14:50 |
| RST38h | lcuk: yes but before CSS it could still be controlled | 14:50 |
| andre__ | lcuk, http://www.jimdo.com/geocities | 14:50 |
| lcuk | css gives MORE power to you though, since you yourself can use local css to overwrite anything | 14:50 |
| andre__ | but you're right it seems | 14:50 |
| RST38h | lcuk: once these monkeys became able to place elements at fixed coordinates, all went to shit | 14:50 |
| lcuk | i have always had that with tables | 14:51 |
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| RST38h | lcuk: you can basically write a parses that verifies a tree of tables | 14:51 |
| RST38h | s/parses/parser | 14:51 |
| Stskeeps | mm, fresh kernel | 14:51 |
| RST38h | lcuk: with CSS it becomes too complicated | 14:52 |
| Stskeeps | tv-out, it seems | 14:52 |
| * RST38h imagines his <tentative> N9x0 connected to a TV and playing Castlevania | 14:52 | |
| lcuk | oooh | 14:52 |
| Stskeeps | fmrx | 14:53 |
| RST38h | Just please give me a screen that I can press with my finger not being afraid to break it | 14:53 |
| lcuk | thats not the tv tho | 14:53 |
| Stskeeps | oh foo | 14:53 |
| Stskeeps | microsd | 14:53 |
| lcuk | ? | 14:54 |
| * lcuk goes back to work | 14:54 | |
| lcuk | Stskeeps, i have lots of microsd's - i keep losing em | 14:54 |
| lcuk | o_O i should replace my fingernail with one | 14:55 |
| lcuk | bbl | 14:55 |
| Stskeeps | hm, resistive ts | 14:55 |
| Stskeeps | (tsc2005) | 14:55 |
| * Stskeeps wonders wtf about IR support though | 14:56 | |
| X-Fade | tv remote ;) | 14:56 |
| * RST38h is ok about resistive TS as long as it is the same as in 5800 | 14:59 | |
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| Stskeeps | kulve: new xserver-xorg-video-fbdev has new stuff, it seems | 15:03 |
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| RST38h | lcuk: http://www.theregister.co.uk/2009/04/28/irish_yorkshire/ ! | 15:06 |
| kulve | Stskeeps: oh, need to check it our | 15:06 |
| kulve | out | 15:06 |
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| Jaffa | Stskeeps: do you want the subtitle to be the content, if present? | 15:21 |
| Stskeeps | Jaffa: ideally subject = the text in feed | 15:22 |
| Stskeeps | and then redirect to nabble post | 15:22 |
| Jaffa | OK | 15:22 |
| Stskeeps | the idea is to make mer-chatter "microbloggin" | 15:22 |
| Stskeeps | where we combine subject (what was accomplished, in short) and then full explanation if such is exists | 15:22 |
| Stskeeps | will put a bot in #mer that can send out mails upon a command as well | 15:23 |
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| Jaffa | New modest UI looks interesting on http://maemo.org/news/announcements/call_to_developers_maemo_5_beta_sdk_out/ | 15:25 |
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| Stskeeps | 'lo roope :) | 15:25 |
| Jaffa | hi roope | 15:25 |
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| RST38h | Jaffa: When you leave only 1/4 of the screen to actual email message, that is not "interesting" but plain stupid =( | 15:26 |
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| roope | Hi. | 15:26 |
| roope | rst38h: it scrolls and expands. | 15:27 |
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| RST38h | roope: Expands under what conditions? | 15:27 |
| Stskeeps | The libhildon library is now developed openly in its garage project. | 15:27 |
| Stskeeps | neat | 15:27 |
| RST38h | Sts: finally! | 15:27 |
| Stskeeps | The Help library is dropped. Diablo applications that use context-sensitive help and use the libhildonhelp library would need to remove the dependencies from their packages inorder to work in Fremantle. | 15:27 |
| Stskeeps | yay, no help | 15:27 |
| roope | If there's more text, I think. Unless if that screenshot is of some other mail client. | 15:28 |
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| roope | lemme check. | 15:28 |
| RST38h | roope: the screenshot seems to show the send-message interface | 15:28 |
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| Jaffa | ...of modest. | 15:30 |
| Jaffa | RST38h: I was assuming the dialogue would act as roope is describing - otherwise, yes, it's a bit crap. | 15:30 |
| RST38h | aha, task switcher and status area are still missing | 15:30 |
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| roope | Ah, yes, it scales. If there is more text than what fits the area, the area expands. | 15:30 |
| roope | So that eventualyl the whole page is of the text field. | 15:31 |
| RST38h | Jaffa: I can't see how it can expand in that particular screenshot - no Ui controls for that and no text to begin with | 15:31 |
| * Meizirkki wornders why the hell more and more companies are saying their devices can run linux OR android ... | 15:31 | |
| roope | It's pretty neat, in a way. | 15:31 |
| RST38h | roope: Kinda like some IM clients? | 15:31 |
| roope | Yes. | 15:31 |
| RST38h | I see...hmm, that should be neat then | 15:31 |
| roope | The entire box scales, even up to more than one page height. As high as it needs to go. | 15:32 |
| RST38h | Meizirkki: more bullets on the feature list = more interest | 15:32 |
| roope | The new email is _so_ much better than the old one. :) | 15:32 |
| Stskeeps | it actually works? | 15:32 |
| Stskeeps | :P | 15:32 |
| roope | Yes, it's actually usable. :) | 15:32 |
| * Stskeeps has wanted to throw his tablet out the window at times over Modest. | 15:32 | |
| Stskeeps | :p | 15:32 |
| Myrtti | does it actually play nice with IMAP? | 15:33 |
| RST38h | roope: will there be a Diablo version? =) | 15:33 |
| roope | I use it with my gmail imap, and yeah, it's pretty cool. | 15:33 |
| RST38h | Does it work with POP3 too now? =) | 15:33 |
| Myrtti | roope: so sent mails are put to gmail imap sent mails and not internal sent mail folder? | 15:33 |
| roope | the gmail labels work, for instance. | 15:33 |
| Myrtti | woot | 15:33 |
| Jaffa | RST38h: If it's now open, we could backport it | 15:33 |
| X-Fade | Jaffa: It is in git.maemo.org, so ;) | 15:34 |
| * Myrtti licks Jaffa | 15:34 | |
| Myrtti | please do backport it :-D | 15:34 |
| roope | myrtti: I don't recall right now. | 15:35 |
| Jaffa | If we're going to do a community SSU containing HAM, we ould do one including modest as well | 15:35 |
| RST38h | Jaffa: This depends on how far its dependencies are from diablo though | 15:35 |
| Jaffa | RST38h: indeed | 15:36 |
| RST38h | roope: gmail labels will work independently on the mail client | 15:36 |
| roope | But for the features I think (?) people can just install it and test it for themselvse. | 15:36 |
| RST38h | roope: gmail exposes labelled items as separate IMAP folders | 15:36 |
| roope | rst38h: ok. well, they work, anyway. :) | 15:36 |
| RST38h | roope: I am more interested in whether it still gets stuck when it fails to establish a connection | 15:37 |
| Myrtti | the part that really sucks with the old email client is that if you use it with imap, and send mail, the sent mail remain on the device and are not put into the imap folder, and there is no nice way of subscribing the imap ones anyway | 15:37 |
| RST38h | rooper: the current modest is very sensitiive to connection failures, it goes bonkers and continues to go bonkers until I make it save config | 15:37 |
| RST38h | And POP3 is just so weirdly broken that I can't even describe it =( | 15:38 |
| roope | I've done only limited testing with the new one, but my initial impressions are mostly very positive. | 15:38 |
| roope | But i haven't tried pop, for instance. | 15:38 |
| roope | (since imap is the better alternative anyway). :) | 15:38 |
| andre__ | RST38h, file me some modest bugs please (if you refer to recent code and not to diablo) :) | 15:39 |
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| * Stskeeps wonders what a beta release now will do to the speculation threads | 15:55 | |
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| Stskeeps | timsamoff: you're more than welcome to idle in #mer too ;) | 15:56 |
| timsamoff | 'T'salright... ;) I've got a meeting (I think) in #maemo-meeting, so I'm cleaning up. | 15:57 |
| Stskeeps | hehe | 15:57 |
| * Stskeeps tries to get an overview of how much we have to do to integrate fremantle beta pieces | 15:57 | |
| * Myrtti loves rsync | 15:57 | |
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| RST38h | andre: There is no point filing bugs, they will not be fixed. | 15:58 |
| RST38h | andre: in fact, the last ones I have filed on Modest still have not been fixed in Diablo. | 15:59 |
| * timsamoff has English muffin and coffee. | 15:59 | |
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| danielwilms | - | 16:04 |
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| danielwilms | Stskeeps: :D typed in the wrong window i guess ;) | 16:05 |
| Stskeeps | hehe | 16:05 |
| keesj | RST38h: modest was moving to open source again... | 16:05 |
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| Jaffa | Stskeeps: mer-chatter now should be being included | 16:10 |
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| Stskeeps | Jaffa: thanks | 16:11 |
| timsamoff | Jaffa: Do you guys call English muffins English muffins? Or just muffins? | 16:11 |
| Myrtti | mmmmm muffins | 16:11 |
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| wjt | timsamoff: i for one call them “muffins” | 16:12 |
| Jaffa | We have two things we call "muffins": light, sweet cakes (I think you call them "muffins") and savoury flat, dusty things, often served at McDonalds with eggs in for breakfast (are these "English" muffins?) | 16:12 |
| timsamoff | Jaffa: Yes, but... There are better English muffins than that! | 16:13 |
| timsamoff | Jaffa: http://www.wolfermans.com/gifts/store/home__10053_10005 | 16:13 |
| Jaffa | http://onefh.files.wordpress.com/2008/11/plain-old-muffin.jpg is a "muffin" and http://www.weightlossresources.co.uk/images/bacon-egg-muffin.jpg is a (breakfast) muffin. | 16:13 |
| Jaffa | We also have crumpets which may be closer to what that picture is showing | 16:14 |
| wjt | crumpets and muffins are *so* not interchangable | 16:15 |
| timsamoff | Jaffa: I will try to smuggle a Wolferman's English muffin to the next Summit for you. ;) | 16:16 |
| RST38h | depends on what you are doing with them | 16:16 |
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| Jaffa | wjt: No, indeed - but look at the picture - it has holes in. | 16:17 |
| wjt | hmm | 16:18 |
| wjt | they look suspicous | 16:18 |
| wjt | i wouldn't trust 'em | 16:18 |
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| timeless_mbp | hello | 16:22 |
| * timeless_mbp recovers macbook | 16:23 | |
| timeless_mbp | so... it turns out that my mac just forgot how to load my zpool... and now i know how to... so i have a happy mac :) | 16:23 |
| timeless_mbp | well, mostly | 16:23 |
| RST38h | andre: Are you the guy accepting bug reports on the new SDK documentation? | 16:24 |
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| Stskeeps | timsamoff: woo :) | 16:25 |
| Stskeeps | err, timeless_mbp: woo :) | 16:25 |
| Stskeeps | wasn't that the problem i pondered it was? :P | 16:25 |
| timeless_mbp | what did you ponder the problem to be? | 16:25 |
| timeless_mbp | RST38h: there is a guy accepting it | 16:26 |
| timeless_mbp | it isn't really andre, but you should be able to contact the primary person directly | 16:26 |
| timeless_mbp | or file a bug in bugzilla in the SDK area, they should be reading them | 16:26 |
| Stskeeps | timeless_mbp: that you lost your zpool.cache and needed to zpool import again? :P | 16:27 |
| danielwilms | RST38h: but what's wrong with the documemtation...perhaps its fast solvable ;) | 16:27 |
| timeless_mbp | what's a zpool.cache? | 16:27 |
| timeless_mbp | but basically, yes, i need to zpool import at each boot :( | 16:27 |
| Stskeeps | timeless_mbp: it's the cache in /etc with what pools are loaded | 16:27 |
| RST38h | daniel: it should be | 16:29 |
| RST38h | daniel: Check http://maemo.org/development/sdks/maemo_5_beta_docs/using_multimedia_components/ | 16:29 |
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| RST38h | daniel: 1. there is a huge blacked out block; 2. there is a stray </a> (just found it) | 16:29 |
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| RST38h | daniel: And 3. All the code samples come up on grey background for some reason, I would suggest wheat instead because it closely mimics the paper | 16:30 |
| Myrtti | theheheheheh *snork | 16:30 |
| Myrtti | * | 16:31 |
| * thux powertop seems to really work even with amd cpu | 16:31 | |
| thux | i have a silent lap now! | 16:32 |
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| Stskeeps | RST38h: blacked out block.. SCP? | 16:33 |
| RST38h | Sts: may actually hide a meme making reader gay! =) | 16:34 |
| Jaffa | thux: even with C-states? | 16:35 |
| * Myrtti confesses nothing | 16:35 | |
| thux | Jaffa: what is C-states? | 16:35 |
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| danielwilms | RST38h: 1. I dont see, 2. changed, 3. it is meant to be like this ;) | 16:37 |
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| thux | but not silent all the time once in while one fan blows air, but powertop put on laptop-mode and increased time when writes dirty buffers | 16:37 |
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| andre__ | RST38h, just file everything+1 :) | 16:47 |
| RST38h | daniel: 1. black rectangle starts a few lines below g_warning ("Error getting item %d " | 16:47 |
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| lopz | hola | 16:48 |
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| RST38h | Folks, could somebody verify that the blacked out part is present for daniel? URL is http://maemo.org/development/sdks/maemo_5_beta_docs/using_multimedia_components/ | 16:48 |
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| RST38h | daniel: As to #3, could you please consider changing the color? Gray really *isn't* the best background color for reading. I do not think you have seen many books printed on gray paper | 16:49 |
| timsamoff | RST38h: The background is part of the main site style, no? | 16:50 |
| Myrtti | timsamoff: I guess he means the code snippets | 16:50 |
| timsamoff | Right... I think that's in the main site CSS. As X-Fade. | 16:51 |
| danielwilms | timsamoff yes it is | 16:51 |
| Myrtti | timsamoff: I know it is | 16:51 |
| RST38h | timsamoff: Well, if the code snippet background is part of the main site style then that is your bug report not daniel's | 16:51 |
| Myrtti | RST38h: the gray background is legacy of the old training material | 16:51 |
| timsamoff | Lodge a report to have it change. ;) | 16:51 |
| RST38h | Myrtti: does it mean it is there to stay? =) | 16:52 |
| timsamoff | *changed. | 16:52 |
| Myrtti | RST38h: not necessarily, I just explained where it roots from | 16:52 |
| RST38h | timsamoff: It has been already done, see https://bugs.maemo.org/show_bug.cgi?id=4394 | 16:52 |
| timsamoff | Oh, ok. :) | 16:52 |
| timsamoff | Although the product/component is wrong if you want something on the website changed. | 16:53 |
| RST38h | timsamoff: yes, I will change it in a moment | 16:54 |
| timsamoff | Ok. | 16:54 |
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| RST38h | timsamoff: my suggestion is to use #FFFFF0 or similar color | 16:54 |
| RST38h | slightly off-white | 16:54 |
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| timsamoff | I have no preference as long as you're warm anf uzzy. :p | 16:54 |
| timsamoff | *fuzzy | 16:55 |
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| Myrtti | old lace | 16:55 |
| Myrtti | oldlace, which would be... | 16:55 |
| Myrtti | #FDF5E6 | 16:56 |
| RST38h | yea | 16:56 |
| timsamoff | If it were me, I'd use #fffbf2. | 16:56 |
| RST38h | except that it is shown as white on my notebook | 16:57 |
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| Myrtti | http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Old_Lace_(color) | 16:57 |
| RST38h | Toshiba was too greedy and put low bpp LCD into it | 16:57 |
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| danielwilms | can anyone reproduce this?? https://bugs.maemo.org/show_bug.cgi?id=4391 | 16:58 |
| * RST38h checked and found that Lenovo is also greedy - #fffbf2 will look white on Thinkpadfs | 16:58 | |
| X-Fade | Better now? | 16:59 |
| Stskeeps | RST38h: no blackout in ff3 | 16:59 |
| RST38h | X-Fade: Oh yessss | 16:59 |
| danielwilms | X-Fade good! | 16:59 |
| RST38h | Sts: IE6 shows no blackout too | 16:59 |
| RST38h | But FF3 does | 17:00 |
| timsamoff | Looks fine in FF3 to me (Mac). | 17:00 |
| X-Fade | looks fine to me in FF3 windows | 17:01 |
| RST38h | Wait, I have got a funny idea...I am looking at it through an Intel proxy | 17:01 |
| RST38h | Maybe THAT thing blacks it out?!? | 17:01 |
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| Jaffa | danielwilms: not in Firefox 3.0.9, IE7 or Google Chrome | 17:02 |
| RST38h | daniel: Close it then, and I will double check from home just in case | 17:03 |
| X-Fade | I even added a print.css for printing the docs last week ;) | 17:03 |
| X-Fade | Although that needs some tweakng still ;) | 17:03 |
| danielwilms | RST38h: ok | 17:03 |
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| apopelo | hi | 17:10 |
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| apopelo | i've created a greasemonkey script for iPhone version of GMail | 17:10 |
| apopelo | it adjusts size of all elements to fit tablet's screen | 17:11 |
| apopelo | http://popelo.com/trash/better-google-for-iphone-v2-screenshot.png | 17:11 |
| apopelo | if somebody interested, details are here - http://www.internettablettalk.com/forums/showthread.php?t=28604 | 17:11 |
| Macer | yawn | 17:13 |
| Macer | im tired | 17:13 |
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| keesj | apopelo: but why didn't you read my mail :P | 17:17 |
| apopelo | keesj: :P | 17:18 |
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| Jaffa | apopelo: Has Greasemonkey been ported to microb? | 17:20 |
| apopelo | Jaffa: yup | 17:22 |
| apopelo | Jaffa: http://browser-extras.garage.maemo.org/news/3/ | 17:22 |
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| Jaffa | apopelo: How well does it work in microb, without any of the whizzy HTML 5 features? | 17:28 |
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| apopelo | Jaffa: well, i didn't experience any problems yet | 17:31 |
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| falkinski | Hi I'm trying to setup ssh on my N810 and I need to know how I create a new user in the terminal. Command for Ubuntu/Debian 'adduser' does not work. What should I do? | 18:05 |
| keesj | the user is called "user" | 18:06 |
| Jaffa | falkinski: The question which immediately comes to mind is "why do you want to add a new user?". You've got both "root" and "user" already. | 18:06 |
| keesj | so ssh user@n810 | 18:06 |
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| keesj | and vi .ssh/config Host n810 \nUser user onyour local machine | 18:07 |
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| falkinski | Jaffa: Need to make a user with a password (ssh asks for it) and I dont remember the fabric made password | 18:07 |
| keesj | or use Mer :p | 18:07 |
| qwerty12 | falkinski, you can ssh in as root and "su - user" to get a shell as "user" if you don't wish to give "user" a password | 18:08 |
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| keesj | I use ssh keys most of the time , but that all doesn't answer his question :p | 18:13 |
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| keesj | on my install there is a useradd command btw | 18:14 |
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| falkinski | Thx all, it's working | 18:15 |
| keesj | rly? | 18:15 |
| falkinski | Yepp | 18:16 |
| falkinski | qwerty12 told me to change root pw so now it works yay | 18:17 |
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| oilinki | I start to think if there would be different users/user profiles for different situations for n810 | 18:21 |
| oilinki | could it be beneficial | 18:22 |
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| oilinki | at least different profiles for family members could be usefull if someone else would like to take the device for usage. | 18:23 |
| falkinski | oilinki: Like a loginpage? | 18:24 |
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| oilinki | then one profile for car usage with easy access to mapper and music. | 18:24 |
| oilinki | falkinski: login page for different users. profiles for different usage. | 18:25 |
| StsN801 | maemo is very hardcoded to user sadly | 18:26 |
| oilinki | one time I did function for n810. when ever it left the home network, maemo mapper started. then again, when coming back to home wlan area, mapper closed and POI's were updated to the server so that it could be shared with other devices. | 18:28 |
| oilinki | anyway it would be nice if the device would sense the environment and act accordingly | 18:30 |
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| timeless_mbp | Stskeeps: hey, i don't suppose you speak LaunchD ? :) | 18:39 |
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| Stskeeps | timeless_mbp: sorry, i don't have a mac so :P | 18:47 |
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| VDVsx | wow, I can color maemopad icons in the beta sdk, lolool | 18:56 |
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| VDVsx | mouse over the icons make them blue :P | 18:57 |
| VDVsx | nice feature,lolol | 18:57 |
| Stskeeps | hehe | 18:57 |
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| * RST38h has read the list of swine flu symptoms and came to conclusion that he has it. | 19:02 | |
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| RST38h | RUN FOR YOUR LIVES! | 19:02 |
| qwerty12 | HOLY SHIT | 19:02 |
| qwerty12 | I knew you mooing would come to no good | 19:02 |
| jeremiah_ | Dude, you're a gonner. | 19:02 |
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| dneary | Hi | 19:03 |
| dneary | X-Fade: I'd be afraid I'm about to make a mistake | 19:03 |
| X-Fade | dneary: Then maybe you should not do it? :) | 19:03 |
| dneary | Will you be able to review a change to maemo2midgard? | 19:03 |
| X-Fade | sure | 19:03 |
| dneary | X-Fade: I don't have any way to test what effect the change will have on the web bage | 19:04 |
| dneary | I'll attach a patch to the "Karma isn't formatted right" bug | 19:04 |
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| dneary | X-Fade: https://bugs.maemo.org/show_bug.cgi?id=4365 | 19:07 |
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| VDVsx_ | anyone have success installing apps from fremantle-extras in the beta sdk ? | 19:10 |
| X-Fade | VDVsx_: They shouldn't ;) | 19:10 |
| VDVsx_ | I got this: http://pastebin.ca/1406240 | 19:10 |
| RST38h | Which reminds me to add fremantle-extras to dput.cf, install the sdk and try recompiling | 19:11 |
| RST38h | X-Fade: Does SB2 support Fremantle already? | 19:11 |
| X-Fade | RST38h: I have no idea. | 19:11 |
| VDVsx_ | X-Fade, why ? | 19:11 |
| X-Fade | VDVsx_: Because there is no Fremantle extras .. | 19:11 |
| VDVsx_ | ok extras-devel :P | 19:12 |
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| jeremiah_ | /var/lib/dpkg/info/leafpad.postinst: line 7: maemo-select-menu-location: command not found | 19:13 |
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| jeremiah_ | ^^ looks like that might be your problem | 19:14 |
| X-Fade | Yeah, but that should just be available. | 19:14 |
| qwerty12 | maemo-select-menu-location is depreciated in Fremantle but a dummy binary should be there... | 19:14 |
| X-Fade | As that is a core script. | 19:14 |
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| X-Fade | Hmm this should be updated too: http://hildon-app-mgr.garage.maemo.org/packaging-devel.html | 19:14 |
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| jeremiah_ | VDVsx_: You had these problems in the beta SDK for frementle right? I can fireup my SDK and see if I can repeat those problems, then file a bug if needed. | 19:16 |
| VDVsx_ | jeremiah_, ok, thanks | 19:16 |
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| jeremiah_ | It was leafpad you installed? | 19:17 |
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| VDVsx_ | jeremiah_, yup, but it happens in other apps too | 19:17 |
| X-Fade | VDVsx_: Yeah, I would image that to happen as this was perfecty valid in diablo etc. | 19:18 |
| Macer | yawn | 19:18 |
| VDVsx_ | X-Fade, yah, but those apps worked fine in the alpha SDK | 19:19 |
| Stskeeps | jeremiah_: you have a novell account/build opensuse? if so, you should see something | 19:19 |
| X-Fade | VDVsx_: Well, then you might have found a real bug... | 19:19 |
| jeremiah_ | Stskeeps: I am not sure that I do. | 19:19 |
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| Macer | novell? | 19:20 |
| Stskeeps | jeremiah_: it should ask you for a signup if you go to https://build.opensuse.org/project/monitor?project=Maemo%3AMer%3ADevel | 19:20 |
| Stskeeps | Macer: there'll be openid support later | 19:20 |
| woglinde | hi | 19:20 |
| Stskeeps | (gsoc project) | 19:20 |
| Macer | like... novell as in ipx? | 19:21 |
| Stskeeps | yeah, but thats kinda old novell | 19:21 |
| Stskeeps | novell owns suse, remember? | 19:21 |
| Macer | heh | 19:21 |
| woglinde | novell bought suse some time ago | 19:21 |
| Macer | what was wrong with ipx/spx? | 19:21 |
| woglinde | macer didnt performe well? | 19:22 |
| Macer | was it just that ipv4 had an easier numbering scheme? | 19:22 |
| Macer | woglinde: sure it did =) | 19:22 |
| jeremiah_ | Stskeeps: It turns out I did. :P | 19:23 |
| Stskeeps | jeremiah_: hehe | 19:23 |
| jeremiah_ | The project is called Maemo Mer Devel? | 19:23 |
| Stskeeps | yeah, well, the path | 19:23 |
| Stskeeps | it's a tree structure.. no idea who came up with the :'s ;) | 19:24 |
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| luke-jr | Macer: protocol wars aren't won by technological advantages | 19:25 |
| Stskeeps | jeremiah_: anyway, what you see on that page is the builder status, after 2 days of putting in packages - no scratchbox involved for the armv5 compilation, it builds the Mer packages both for Debian and for Ubuntu, both arm and x86 | 19:25 |
| luke-jr | they are won all too often by popularity | 19:25 |
| woglinde | macer wasnt the darpa which forced the use of ipv4 | 19:25 |
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| Stskeeps | jeremiah_: the packages in there come from sub-projects, where we promoted them with a simple command: osc copypac -k Maemo:Mer:Devel:MaemoCommon packagename Maemo:Mer:Devel | 19:25 |
| Stskeeps | to promote a package (and rebuild) in Testing repository, you can do osc copypac -k Maemo:Mer:Devel packagename Maemo:Mer:Testing | 19:26 |
| Stskeeps | and it'll resolve dependancies and do everything right | 19:26 |
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| Macer | luke-jr: i suppose so | 19:26 |
| jeremiah_ | Stskeeps: Jeez, that is pretty amazing | 19:26 |
| jeremiah_ | It is slow though, I search for mer and it is still searching. | 19:27 |
| Macer | plus i dont think ipx was well suited for a wider area | 19:27 |
| Stskeeps | jeremiah_: searching? odd :P | 19:27 |
| Stskeeps | jeremiah_: but it's week days so OBS itself is pretty busy | 19:27 |
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| Macer | i feel like playing quake 3 | 19:27 |
| Macer | i bet a ton of people still do =) | 19:28 |
| Stskeeps | jeremiah_: also, it will automatically rebuild when new versions come in, so you always know a package busting stuff | 19:28 |
| Stskeeps | and it will be up to date ABI wise too | 19:28 |
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| woglinde | macer quake 3 still had the ipx stuff? | 19:28 |
| luke-jr | Macer: I'm more apt to play Quake 1 | 19:28 |
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| Stskeeps | jeremiah_: lbt and ScriptRipper will hopefully do more justice to OBS presentation at the developer weekend | 19:28 |
| Macer | luke-jr: yah. quake 1 is still fun | 19:28 |
| luke-jr | Macer: familiar with the RuneQuake mod? | 19:28 |
| Stskeeps | jeremiah_: but i'm absolutely sold personally, it's been a breeze getting it to work | 19:28 |
| Macer | you can rocket jump | 19:29 |
| Macer | =) | 19:29 |
| jeremiah_ | Stskeeps: What is the goal here? To use this as a automated testbuilding server? | 19:29 |
| Macer | luke-jr: never played with the rune mod | 19:29 |
| Stskeeps | jeremiah_: goal is that it's the builder. people can build locally too if they so want | 19:29 |
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| Stskeeps | we have moved our builder stuff and repositories fully to OBS as part of the 0.13 sprint | 19:29 |
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| Macer | Stskeeps: cant you make a wan based distcc? | 19:30 |
| jeremiah_ | Stskeeps: So you don't build anything locally, you just create the package files and push it to the builder? | 19:30 |
| Macer | =) | 19:30 |
| Stskeeps | jeremiah_: correct | 19:30 |
| Stskeeps | jeremiah_: you -can- build locally if you so want | 19:30 |
| jeremiah_ | Stskeeps: Very interesting. | 19:30 |
| Stskeeps | it can even compile ARM locally | 19:30 |
| Macer | like the crypto busting app | 19:30 |
| Stskeeps | without any use of scratchbox | 19:30 |
| Stskeeps | and it works without a hiss | 19:30 |
| jeremiah_ | Stskeeps: I would want to, but it is nice for others not to have to jump through all the hoops. | 19:30 |
| Macer | wonder why nobody ever tried that | 19:31 |
| jeremiah_ | of building locally that is | 19:31 |
| Stskeeps | jeremiah_: and people have their own "home" projects as well, to develop on | 19:31 |
| jeremiah_ | Stskeeps: So you can use it like a forge? | 19:31 |
| Macer | what was the name of the app that would sit there using cpu idle time to crack crypto? | 19:31 |
| Stskeeps | nah, not that far, but you can use it personally as a builder before pushing to "real" projects | 19:31 |
| Stskeeps | such as moving it into Devel | 19:31 |
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| luke-jr | Macer: that would be pretty cool | 19:31 |
| luke-jr | kismet + wpa_supplicant + aircrack all in one ;) | 19:32 |
| Macer | luke-jr: there was something that did it | 19:32 |
| jeremiah_ | Stskeeps: That is quite useful, because a lot of the packages that get pushed to extras-devel don't build | 19:32 |
| Macer | would run a client and use millions of computers and distribute for computations | 19:32 |
| X-Fade | jeremiah_: Huh? | 19:32 |
| luke-jr | Macer: eh, I don't mean that, that's boring :p | 19:32 |
| Macer | luke-jr: haha | 19:33 |
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| jeremiah_ | X-Fade: Recently failed: zsync, qtmeetings, | 19:33 |
| Stskeeps | jeremiah_: and OBS is fully downloadable, and you can set up your own instance if you so want to | 19:33 |
| luke-jr | Macer: really I just want kismet+wpa_supplicant | 19:33 |
| Stskeeps | like obs.maemo.org :P | 19:33 |
| Macer | well cracking crypto can take forever | 19:33 |
| X-Fade | jeremiah_: Yeah, they fail to build. But don't end up in extras-devel.. | 19:33 |
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| luke-jr | Macer: connect to APs whenever possible, but also make wifi maps in the background | 19:33 |
| jeremiah_ | Stskeeps: That would be good because then we could do package policy checking first, then autobuilding. | 19:34 |
| luke-jr | Macer: WEP cracking can take minutes | 19:34 |
| Macer | but anything can be brute open with enough time and resourses | 19:34 |
| Macer | wep is for losers | 19:34 |
| Macer | haha | 19:34 |
| Stskeeps | jeremiah_: anyway.. we hope to knock people's socks off with a good presentation :) | 19:35 |
| jeremiah_ | Stskeeps: Do that! | 19:35 |
| luke-jr | Macer: WEP is fine, IMO, as long as i have an equivalent open | 19:35 |
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| jeremiah_ | Stskeeps: I look forward to it! | 19:35 |
| Macer | no. it sucks | 19:36 |
| Macer | =) bbl | 19:36 |
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| jeremiah_ | Stskeeps: So the parent project is Maemo Mer 0.13? | 19:38 |
| jeremiah_ | Stskeeps: And the subprojects build on different arches? | 19:38 |
| Stskeeps | nah .. it's a tad simpler than that :) | 19:38 |
| jeremiah_ | i.e. Beagleboard and Nokia N810? | 19:38 |
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| Stskeeps | jeremiah_: ok, Mer:Devel compiles towards Debian and Ubuntu repositories, and subprojects (Mer:Devel:MaemoCommon) compiles against Devel | 19:39 |
| Stskeeps | so, when a package compiles in MaemoCommon, we move it onto the Devel repository, and things that need to recompile recompile | 19:39 |
| Stskeeps | :MaemoCommon is where we work and test packages before unleashing to unwitting users | 19:39 |
| Stskeeps | and :Devel is like debian's "unstable" | 19:40 |
| Stskeeps | when a package doesn't break everything, we promote it to Testing | 19:40 |
| Stskeeps | and eventually we copy Testing to a release, 0.13 | 19:40 |
| jeremiah_ | So you do a freeze like debian does? | 19:40 |
| jeremiah_ | Hmm, cool | 19:41 |
| Stskeeps | sortof, feature freeze, and at the moment, everything that's in Testing by 0.13, becomes Mer 0.13 | 19:41 |
| Stskeeps | http://wiki.maemo.org/Mer/Build is our work in progres | 19:41 |
| Stskeeps | s | 19:41 |
| jeremiah_ | Stskeeps: Can you just pound on the build servers as much as you want? Can you schedule ten builds a day? | 19:41 |
| Stskeeps | jeremiah_: it schedules it itself | 19:42 |
| jeremiah_ | aha | 19:42 |
| Stskeeps | https://build.opensuse.org/project/monitor?project=Maemo%3AMer%3ADevel%3AMaemoCommon | 19:42 |
| Stskeeps | i just uploaded a new version of libhildon | 19:42 |
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| jeremiah_ | The only problem I see is the proprietary bits to build on Nokia hardware. | 19:42 |
| jeremiah_ | How do you see solving that? | 19:42 |
| jeremiah_ | Obviously I doubt that code will get pushed to OBS | 19:42 |
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| Stskeeps | yea, obviously - but if there was a obs.maemo.org, or a feature to "hide" the properitary bits - since you can run your own instance, noone stops you from having a local repository with the bits | 19:43 |
| Stskeeps | funny fact too - you can copy packages between OBS instances | 19:43 |
| Stskeeps | so from obs.maemo.org to the real OBS. | 19:44 |
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| jeremiah_ | Stskeeps: That would be great - make the package really portable. | 19:45 |
| Stskeeps | and between projects, build targets, etc | 19:45 |
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| Stskeeps | also, you're always sure your packages are up to date, recompiled, no lingering ABI problems, etc | 19:47 |
| Stskeeps | if i drop in libhildon (which i will later), it will recompile things | 19:47 |
| jeremiah_ | Sweet | 19:47 |
| Stskeeps | a -lot- of potential in this stuff :P | 19:48 |
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| slonopotamus_ | hehe | 19:50 |
| slonopotamus_ | letz drop in glibc and see what'll happen | 19:51 |
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| Stskeeps | slonopotamus_: sure, - one of my ideas would be dropping in gcc with optimized flags for armv6+vfp. | 19:51 |
| slonopotamus_ | btw | 19:52 |
| slonopotamus_ | fbdev! | 19:52 |
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| slonopotamus_ | it perfectly plays video, as i saw, right? | 19:52 |
| slonopotamus_ | omapfb can be thrown out? | 19:52 |
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| Stskeeps | sortof | 19:53 |
| * slonopotamus_ lost link to Meiz xorg.conf :( | 19:53 | |
| Stskeeps | you need to fb_update_mode auto | 19:53 |
| slonopotamus_ | Stskeeps, err | 19:53 |
| slonopotamus_ | Stskeeps, 20hz? | 19:53 |
| slonopotamus_ | Stskeeps, how it shown video so smooth in auto mode? | 19:54 |
| Stskeeps | no clue, but it does | 19:54 |
| slonopotamus_ | maaaagic | 19:54 |
| slonopotamus_ | Stskeeps, gimme link once more please? | 19:55 |
| Stskeeps | trac.tspre.org/meiz somewhere | 19:56 |
| slonopotamus_ | thanks | 19:56 |
| slonopotamus_ | i've bookmarked it :) | 19:57 |
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| slonopotamus_ | Option"UseFBDev""true" | 19:59 |
| slonopotamus_ | i don't understand what driver will receive it | 19:59 |
| slonopotamus_ | http://trac.tspre.org/meiz/xorg.conf | 19:59 |
| slonopotamus_ | no meiz online :( | 20:00 |
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| VDVsx | jeremiah_, did you already tried to install some apps in the sdk ? | 20:03 |
| jeremiah_ | VDVsx: I did, but I was not in the fremantle sdk. :( | 20:04 |
| jeremiah_ | I am moving to that now. | 20:04 |
| VDVsx | jeremiah_, you have the beta right ? | 20:05 |
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| jeremiah_ | VDVsx: Yeah, it is running in a virtual machine | 20:07 |
| Stskeeps | VDVsx: maemo-menu-select-location should be a null-op | 20:11 |
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| jeremiah_ | VDVsx: Have you run apt-get update? | 20:16 |
| jeremiah_ | And apt-get upgrade? | 20:16 |
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| lbt | where are the fremantle beta sources | 20:17 |
| VDVsx | jeremiah_, tes | 20:17 |
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| VDVsx | *yes | 20:17 |
| jeremiah_ | VDVsx: Just thought I would check - I figured you might have. | 20:17 |
| * timeless_mbp pokes jeremiah_ | 20:18 | |
| jeremiah_ | lbt: http://maemo.org/development/sdks/maemo_5-0/ | 20:18 |
| * jeremiah_ runs and hides | 20:18 | |
| etrunko | lcuk: you might be interested in this: http://www.thekitchn.com/thekitchn/ingredients-meat/bacon-pops-goat-cheese-balls-with-herbs-pecans-bacon-082974 | 20:18 |
| etrunko | heh | 20:18 |
| jeremiah_ | Bacon pops! | 20:18 |
| lbt | http://repository.maemo.org/pool/maemo5.0/free/ gives a 404 | 20:18 |
| RST38h | Please please please create Fremantle target for SB2 =) | 20:18 |
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| jeremiah_ | lbt: Try the URL I sent ^^ | 20:19 |
| VDVsx | I also notice that the program switcher gone in the beta UI | 20:19 |
| lbt | I did :) then I went to Highlights and "Open source packages can be found here." and clicked "here" | 20:19 |
| Stskeeps | interestin | 20:19 |
| Stskeeps | h | 20:19 |
| Stskeeps | hildon HIG | 20:19 |
| yerga | lbt, it's maemo5.0beta | 20:20 |
| jeremiah_ | lbt: The Software Development Kit is in pre-alpha | 20:20 |
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| Stskeeps | http://maemo.org/api_refs/5.0/beta/hig/html/c465.html#input-hardware | 20:20 |
| GeneralAntilles | Stskeeps, hildon-inmate-guard? | 20:20 |
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| Stskeeps | A two-touch happens when the user taps down with a finger and just after that, without lifting the finger, taps another position with another finger. | 20:21 |
| Stskeeps | interesting | 20:21 |
| lbt | found it yerga, jeremiah_ ... ta... just going to pull the source :) | 20:21 |
| * VDVsx notice that hildon HIG tutorial was written by a university classmate :P | 20:22 | |
| slonopotamus | :D | 20:22 |
| yerga | mmm, bluez has this in the changelog: "Unable to answer a waiting call with BH-903 headset" | 20:23 |
| yerga | could the rx-51 be linked to a phone and a headset at the same time? | 20:24 |
| Stskeeps | yerga: can be Internet Call though | 20:24 |
| yerga | Stskeeps, yes maybe ;) | 20:24 |
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| jeremiah_ | VDVsx: I am definitely getting problems too. | 20:24 |
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| lbt | can the new caller send DTMF? | 20:26 |
| lbt | I don't think the maemo one can | 20:26 |
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| VDVsx | jeremiah_, but the funny thing is that the apps are actually installed, but you will got this error everytime you use apt-get | 20:26 |
| Stskeeps | is hildon application manager installed? | 20:27 |
| VDVsx | yes, at least it shows up inside the hildon-desktop :P | 20:27 |
| Stskeeps | hmm | 20:28 |
| GeneralAntilles | So, who wants to bet the RX-71 has one of these "always present" keyboards? | 20:28 |
| Stskeeps | check HAM changelog if they removed maemo-select-menu-location | 20:28 |
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| jeremiah_ | VDVsx: weird. | 20:28 |
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| zap | Is 5.2008.43-7 the latest Maemo version? | 20:29 |
| GeneralAntilles | zap, yes. | 20:30 |
| mikkov_ | sb 64-bit installation still sucks | 20:30 |
| zap | no more updates since then? | 20:30 |
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| zap | got a new N810, that is | 20:30 |
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| GeneralAntilles | zap, no, but we may push a community update in the coming months. | 20:31 |
| zap | with a new kernel? | 20:31 |
| * Stskeeps is so glad that libhildon is no longer under wraps. | 20:31 | |
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| lcuk | mmmmmmmm bacon thanks etrunko | 20:32 |
| * lcuk can barely type | 20:32 | |
| etrunko | :) | 20:32 |
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| etrunko | watch out so your keyboard don't get wet | 20:33 |
| lcuk | well im just thinkinj what else i can use that bacon dip with | 20:33 |
| jeremiah_ | lcuk: Bacon? | 20:34 |
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| lcuk | http://www.thekitchn.com/thekitchn/ingredients-meat/bacon-pops-goat-cheese-balls-with-herbs-pecans-bacon-082974 | 20:34 |
| jeremiah_ | What about dipping huge chunks of bacon in the bacon dip? | 20:34 |
| lcuk | etrunko passed on the excellent mouthwatering link | 20:34 |
| lcuk | thats a damned fine idea | 20:34 |
| jeremiah_ | Who created the libgstream-plugins-bad package? | 20:34 |
| jeremiah_ | It won't install. :-/ | 20:35 |
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| CutMeOwnThroat | apt-cache show libgstream-plugins-bad knows | 20:35 |
| _berto_ | Stskeeps: now you can join us/complain/beat us in the hildon-devel mailing list ;) | 20:35 |
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| VDVsx | jeremiah_, I also notice a lot of visual defects in the beta sdk, I can change icons color with a mouse over :), problems with the dialogs and icons, etc... | 20:36 |
| VDVsx | things get worse compared with the aplha sdk | 20:36 |
| Stskeeps | _berto_: oh, i'm absolutely happy about libhildon :) | 20:36 |
| * VDVsx gonna fill bugs | 20:36 | |
| Stskeeps | i've never had the slightest problem with it, and i might actually submit patches | 20:36 |
| _berto_ | well, there are still some bugs :) | 20:37 |
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| etrunko | lcuk: "Extra-bacon option: If you aren't content to simply roll these in bacon, then fry an additional two strips of bacon and crumble them into the cheese mixture itself. " | 20:37 |
| etrunko | perfect! | 20:37 |
| Stskeeps | _berto_: probably, but i meant in terms of integration / porting to Mer :P | 20:37 |
| _berto_ | Stskeeps: ahahah, ok :) | 20:37 |
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| lcuk | etrunko, im slightly concerned all this bacon consumption might lead to pig-flu | 20:38 |
| * lcuk eats anyway | 20:38 | |
| etrunko | hehe | 20:38 |
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| jeremiah_ | VDVsx: Hmm - yeah, time to file some bugs against the beta | 20:39 |
| jeremiah_ | I guess I missed the alpha, or did we go from pre-alpha to beta? | 20:39 |
| Stskeeps | we went from pre-alpha to pre-alpha2 to alpha to beta | 20:39 |
| jeremiah_ | sheesh | 20:40 |
| VDVsx | I have to do a screencast in order to show those visual defects :) | 20:40 |
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| woglinde | ew | 20:41 |
| woglinde | re | 20:41 |
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| Stskeeps | ok | 20:43 |
| Stskeeps | where is osso-system-lock-l10n-public source | 20:44 |
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| Stskeeps | _berto_: (how come libhildon depends on that btw?) | 20:44 |
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| _berto_ | Stskeeps: hmmm... those are translation strings | 20:45 |
| Stskeeps | yeah, i know that part ;) but why libhildon depends on it | 20:46 |
| _berto_ | they should be available | 20:46 |
| Stskeeps | yeah, they are as deb but not source package | 20:46 |
| Stskeeps | i'll file a bug | 20:46 |
| _berto_ | thanks | 20:46 |
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| _berto_ | Stskeeps: that dependency is for one single string I think | 20:50 |
| Stskeeps | k | 20:50 |
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| Stskeeps | i'll assume they just forgot the source, just dropped libhildon into our builder, built fine (we do some minor debian/control stuff) | 20:51 |
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| _berto_ | Stskeeps: just saw the bug report, thanks | 20:58 |
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| Stskeeps | _berto_: always, i prefer to have zero deltas :P | 20:59 |
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| _berto_ | Stskeeps: obviously :) | 21:03 |
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| rmt_ | LASAGNA! | 21:23 |
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| rmt_ | It is truly the food of the gods. | 21:23 |
| lcuk | :O | 21:24 |
| rmt_ | Or dogs, depending on who makes it. | 21:24 |
| lcuk | heh | 21:24 |
| rmt_ | I once had a lasagna in Rome that I wouldn't feed to any pet of mine. | 21:24 |
| rmt_ | I didn't know at that time that Lasagna is a north Italian dish, and you're very lucky indeed if you get a good lasagna anywhere else in Italy. | 21:25 |
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| timeless_mbp | heh | 21:33 |
| lcuk | hey timeless \o | 21:34 |
| timeless_mbp | hi | 21:34 |
| * timeless_mbp is trying to get msoffice.mac to not mess up | 21:35 | |
| * timeless_mbp is failing miserably | 21:35 | |
| timeless_mbp | i think it decided to eat my mailbox | 21:35 |
| timeless_mbp | or maybe i'm confused :) | 21:35 |
| lcuk | in some situations thats not a bad thing lol | 21:35 |
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| GeneralAntilles | Why in the world do you need that? | 21:37 |
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| timeless_mbp | well, i don't really | 21:53 |
| timeless_mbp | but i'm trying to retire my dell | 21:53 |
| timeless_mbp | and it had outlook | 21:53 |
| timeless_mbp | so i was trying to setup entourage | 21:53 |
| timeless_mbp | which i actually had setup | 21:53 |
| timeless_mbp | but office.mac has issues w/ my system, so the SP1 thing doesn't install properly :( | 21:54 |
| GeneralAntilles | Entourage sucks. | 21:55 |
| timeless_mbp | people say that | 21:56 |
| * timeless_mbp shrugs | 21:56 | |
| * timeless_mbp is too hungry to care | 21:56 | |
| timeless_mbp | is there a picasa.mac? | 21:56 |
| timeless_mbp | ooh, there is :) | 21:56 |
| Jaffa | re | 21:56 |
| GeneralAntilles | What's wrong with Mail.app? | 21:56 |
| GeneralAntilles | Hey, Jaffa. | 21:57 |
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| timeless_mbp | hi Jaffa | 21:59 |
| timeless_mbp | how's mail.app's exchange server support? :) | 21:59 |
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| GeneralAntilles | Didn't they add that for Leopard? | 22:00 |
| [A2K]_ | hi. | 22:00 |
| [A2K]_ | how can i use user js in tear? | 22:00 |
| * timeless_mbp shrugs | 22:00 | |
| GeneralAntilles | Maybe Snow Leopard | 22:01 |
| * RST38h curses Sigmatel again. | 22:01 | |
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| RST38h | These guys produce(d) decent, fast, cheap chips. But why the hell should they make 'em so complicated??? | 22:01 |
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| Stskeeps | evening qgil :) | 22:02 |
| Stskeeps | congratulations on the beta release | 22:03 |
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| lcuk | Jaffa, was reggie perrin good then or not | 22:03 |
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| qgil | hi there Stskeeps - reading the feedback on the beta release here in IRC... :) | 22:07 |
| Jaffa | lcuk: it started out a bit laughter-track heqavy, but by the end I liked it | 22:07 |
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| qgil | thanks Stskeeps - as usual my own merits are basically none | 22:08 |
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| timeless_mbp | hey qgil | 22:10 |
| Jaffa | qgil: so how long until we can run this on a non-x86 and non-Beagleboard device? ;-)s | 22:11 |
| timeless_mbp | Jaffa: what, it doesn't work as Mer on an n810? :) | 22:11 |
| GeneralAntilles | qgil, gotta convince more of the people with greater merits to show up here. :D | 22:12 |
| RST38h | Tear 0.3.1-1 > Tear 0.3-6 ? | 22:12 |
| Stskeeps | timeless_mbp: regarding Mer, not Beta yet, waiting on mb 4410 :P | 22:12 |
| Jaffa | Not tall of it, no ;-p | 22:13 |
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| * timeless_mbp considers setting up OSOL on this MBP in VBox | 22:13 | |
| GeneralAntilles | Modest looks really slick in that screenshot. | 22:13 |
| GeneralAntilles | Can't wait for somebody to put up a screencast. | 22:13 |
| timeless_mbp | then i could try to do my mirroring from it ... | 22:14 |
| qgil | GeneralAntilles: at least you have a bunch more now at https://garage.maemo.org/projects/hildon/ | 22:14 |
| Jaffa | OSOL? | 22:14 |
| * Stskeeps is happy to see libhildon no longer under wraps | 22:14 | |
| qgil | and https://garage.maemo.org/projects/modest/ | 22:14 |
| GeneralAntilles | qgil, finally getting Hildon out is really nice. | 22:14 |
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| Jaffa | qgil: does modest still have internal email lists or is deev (rather than code) now completely open? | 22:16 |
| Jaffa | s/deev/dev/ | 22:16 |
| infobot | Jaffa meant: qgil: does modest still have internal email lists or is dev (rather than code) now completely open? | 22:16 |
| qgil | Jaffa: the Modest development happens now in that garage project commit by commit | 22:16 |
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| Jaffa | qgil: cool | 22:17 |
| lbt | hi qgil | 22:17 |
| qgil | they have no reasons to have internal only discussions, although they have plenty of internal bugs and they will continue dealing with those there | 22:17 |
| lbt | any news on Denmark sponsorship - or a timeframe? | 22:17 |
| qgil | Jaffa: then there is also the project management communication (sprints, priorities, deadlines) that I guess will continue being private | 22:18 |
| qgil | lbt: it has been basically about me being busy lik hell before this beta release + the Mozilla crew still not having found THE hotel to place the sponsored participants | 22:19 |
| GeneralAntilles | sjgadsby, just a heads up, I think I'm done Thanks!-ing bug jars for now. :P | 22:19 |
| GeneralAntilles | Went back and hit all the old ones. | 22:19 |
| sjgadsby | Ha! | 22:19 |
| timeless_mbp | heh | 22:19 |
| lbt | sure - just checking that it's not about needing more info etc | 22:19 |
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| GeneralAntilles | So, no more Thanks! whoring for you from me. :D | 22:19 |
| sjgadsby | No, I must have more power! | 22:19 |
| GeneralAntilles | You were catching up and I really had to pick it up to regain my lead. | 22:20 |
| lbt | BTW Fremantle is 'uploaded' to OBS (for some definition of uploaded) | 22:20 |
| qgil | jeremiah_: "lbt: The Software Development Kit is in pre-alpha", what do you mean? | 22:20 |
| sjgadsby | Hehe. | 22:20 |
| radic | where are the configs of apache2 located? | 22:20 |
| Jaffa | sjgadsby! | 22:21 |
| qgil | lbt: sorry but... who are you? :) email address or name I can recognize from lists/blog (my head is a waste now) | 22:21 |
| lbt | david greaves | 22:21 |
| qgil | aahhhm, ok now I see | 22:21 |
| Stskeeps | qt, shopper, etc :P | 22:21 |
| sjgadsby | Well, GeneralAntilles, just keep pointing people to the same old information on Fremantle, and I'll keep thanking you for doing so. That will land you two or three dozen Thanks! a day. | 22:22 |
| lbt | Mer/OBS + Qt fingerscrolling | 22:22 |
| qgil | yes, yes, I know | 22:22 |
| lbt | hehe | 22:22 |
| sjgadsby | Hey, Jaffa. What's up? | 22:22 |
| GeneralAntilles | sjgadsby, it's almost too easy, isn't it? ;) | 22:22 |
| Jaffa | sjgadsby: wonderfully laggy train wifi | 22:23 |
| qgil | sjgadsby: this reminds me that I was willing to do the sticky for the Maemo 5 forum but... I thouhg better to leave it to GA or someone | 22:23 |
| GeneralAntilles | sjgadsby, I do, however want to echo Jaffa's comments in thanking you for being awesome. ;) | 22:23 |
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| sjgadsby | That's why GA's opposed to a FAQ, qgil. He wants the Thanks! for reposting the same stuff over and over. | 22:24 |
| qgil | since it's not very elegant that a Nokia employee links (or omits) interesting links especulating about potential hw etc :) | 22:24 |
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| GeneralAntilles | lol | 22:24 |
| Jaffa | qgil: good if you only link to the right stuff ;-) | 22:24 |
| radic | Stskeeps: you are awake? | 22:25 |
| Stskeeps | radic: no | 22:25 |
| qgil | jaffa, we could always rely on the "what can we expect... threads since they contain references about any im/possible device you can build nowadays :) | 22:26 |
| Jaffa | heh | 22:26 |
| radic | Stskeeps: can you say me where i can find the configs and www folder of the apache2 port? | 22:26 |
| Stskeeps | radic: no idea sorry. /var/www and /etc/apache2 would be a good shot. | 22:26 |
| Stskeeps | qgil: free research ;) | 22:27 |
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| Jaffa | SWhat do you realistically expect to see in th N900?" "10 hr battery life actively browsing!" | 22:27 |
| qgil | jeremiah_: "I guess I missed the alpha, or did we go from pre-alpha to beta?" heh :) | 22:27 |
| timeless_mbp | Jaffa: 10mins :) | 22:27 |
| lbt | http://maemo.org/development/sdks/maemo_5-0/ has a bad link (for now) to the source | 22:28 |
| radic | Stskeeps: i thought the same | 22:28 |
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| lcuk | i suppose nokia could get the RTG powersource up and running in time | 22:28 |
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| sjgadsby | I thought they were moving to Zero Point Modules? | 22:29 |
| GeneralAntilles | Jaffa, don't forget playing music, too! | 22:29 |
| lbt | I think the N900 should come with a nail file | 22:29 |
| timeless_mbp | sjgadsby: star gates are expensive to run... | 22:29 |
| lcuk | post it in the thread then! | 22:29 |
| timeless_mbp | and then there's the explosive tendencies of naquada | 22:29 |
| lcuk | zero point might be good for a gravity gun | 22:29 |
| lbt | to sharpen fingernails to a point so you don't need a stylus... | 22:29 |
| * Jaffa kree | 22:29 | |
| lcuk | but not really practical | 22:30 |
| lcuk | lbt, im SERIOUSLY thinking about getting a stylus attachment | 22:30 |
| Stskeeps | lcuk: for your finger? | 22:30 |
| lcuk | yeah :D | 22:30 |
| GeneralAntilles | lbt, Nokia should offer free finger surgery. | 22:30 |
| lbt | I told him... he needs a 6mm hex socket | 22:31 |
| lcuk | it might make me feel a bit better lol | 22:31 |
| qgil | lbt: http://maemo.org/development/sdks/maemo_5-0/ fixd and thanks | 22:31 |
| RST38h | lcuk: but won't a little trackball be better? | 22:31 |
| lcuk | \o hey qgil, can i offer you some more garlic? | 22:31 |
| qgil | I'm well served today, thanks | 22:31 |
| lcuk | heh | 22:31 |
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| qgil | alright, and now to answer a couple of things in ITt | 22:32 |
| timeless_mbp | lcuk: got some nice wooden stakes? | 22:32 |
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| qgil | I have seen that expectation that the jump from beta to final could be as short as from alpha to beta | 22:32 |
| lcuk | no, but having the stitches felt like bamboo torture | 22:32 |
| woglinde | beta as out? | 22:32 |
| lbt | heh fremantle build-essential failed to build.... | 22:32 |
| woglinde | is | 22:32 |
| Jaffa | GeneralAntilles: : and counsellling for all the people distraught at the changes to "their" pplatform | 22:33 |
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| RST38h | qgil: Fremantle target for MaemoSDK+. Please. | 22:33 |
| Stskeeps | i thought there was one? | 22:34 |
| RST38h | On the other hand, it won't be of much use if QEMU does not run properly =( | 22:34 |
| RST38h | Sts: Not according to MaemoSDK+ site | 22:34 |
| GeneralAntilles | Jaffa, I can't help but imagine that most of it is kneejerk irrationality. | 22:34 |
| GeneralAntilles | I experienced a bit of it myself, so I'm thinking it should pass. ;) | 22:34 |
| suihkulokki | RST38h: the latest SDK+ should have much improved qemu | 22:34 |
| woglinde | suihkulokki it is backported to sb1 too | 22:35 |
| RST38h | suihkulokki: Fremantle notes say that developers should use x86 target and avoid armel because qemu is still broken | 22:35 |
| RST38h | suihkulokki: So, I guess it is real hardware or bust. | 22:36 |
| qgil | RST38h: yes, it should come - if you want to lobby you can do it at https://garage.maemo.org/projects/maemo-sdk/ :) | 22:36 |
| timeless_mbp | RST38h: we just got a new qemu drop internally last week iirc | 22:36 |
| qgil | suihkulokki can forward too | 22:36 |
| timeless_mbp | i'm not sure if there's an equivalent public sbox drop | 22:36 |
| timeless_mbp | but i'd assume there is/was/will be | 22:37 |
| qgil | any thanks about qemu can be directed to suihkulokki | 22:37 |
| RST38h | qgil: I already wrote to Jukka Pekka | 22:37 |
| RST38h | qgil: Hope he will put in a word in favor of this | 22:38 |
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| suihkulokki | timeless_mbp: already in public scratchbox.org and Maemo SDK+ drop :) | 22:38 |
| qgil | RST38h: it should come, like the beagle, the Qt... it's just that we are releasing almost as soon as we can without waiting much for the others | 22:38 |
| timeless_mbp | oh good :) | 22:38 |
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| qgil | now for the next releases there will be more bugfixs and incremental improvements than anything else, so we can wait a bit more to sync everything on a same day | 22:39 |
| RST38h | qgil: is there some reason why status area and the task switcher are still not there, btw? | 22:39 |
| suihkulokki | RST38h: well the problem is that people want to do silly things like us scratchbox as a system simulator | 22:40 |
| RST38h | suihkulokki: People don't have much of a choice I guess... :) | 22:40 |
| suihkulokki | RST38h: system qemu :) | 22:40 |
| lbt | qgil: any thoughts on native fingerscrolling in Qt for fremantle? | 22:41 |
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| RST38h | suihkulokki: actually platform vs. application mode simulation is the old argument | 22:41 |
| lbt | did you see the youtube vid? | 22:41 |
| qgil | RST38h: yes, there is. task switcher is considered a relevant end user feature and it's being left for later as it doesn't provide anything relevant to developers | 22:41 |
| RST38h | suihkulokki: with application mode people usually losing it, in most cases ) | 22:41 |
| RST38h | qgil: Ah | 22:42 |
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| qgil | RST38h: status area *could* be out in a next beta release, it's about looking a bit more to it. | 22:42 |
| qgil | RST38h: developers can develop status area plugins, so they need it in the sdk to check and test | 22:42 |
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| GeneralAntilles | qgil, we need the status area for Advanced Backlight. ;) | 22:44 |
| timeless_mbp | GeneralAntilles: oh, that's real important w/o hardware | 22:44 |
| qgil | GeneralAntilles: I see, but what features would be missing in Fremantle? | 22:44 |
| timeless_mbp | qgil: backlight lives in the status bar | 22:44 |
| timeless_mbp | w/o it, you can't do anything | 22:44 |
| qgil | timeless_mbp: I know | 22:44 |
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| qgil | I'm asking what features provided by AB are missing in the Fremantle stock OS | 22:45 |
| timeless_mbp | but seriously, i don't see the point in worrying about backlight w/o hardware | 22:45 |
| timeless_mbp | technically iirc backlight can control audio too | 22:45 |
| timeless_mbp | which could be testable | 22:45 |
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| timeless_mbp | iirc the audio stack has changed for fremantle | 22:45 |
| DavidePalm | Hey how do I purge a program? sudo apt-get purge "program" | 22:45 |
| DavidePalm | ? | 22:45 |
| GeneralAntilles | qgil, having not seen any Fremantle statusbar applets, I can't say. | 22:45 |
| timeless_mbp | so it's probably justifiable | 22:45 |
| qgil | GeneralAntilles: do you have anywhere the list of features provided by AB? | 22:46 |
| Jaffa | GeneralAntilles: can you reply to reggie with .org? This connection's too laggy, and all I've got is modest | 22:46 |
| GeneralAntilles | qgil, at the very least, I doubt very much you guys are providing a combined backlight/volume applets. | 22:46 |
| GeneralAntilles | qgil, the Downloads etry? | 22:46 |
| GeneralAntilles | s/etry/entry/ | 22:46 |
| infobot | GeneralAntilles meant: qgil, the Downloads entry? | 22:46 |
| DavidePalm | What's the syntax to purge a program? why is sudo apt-get purge "program" wrong? | 22:47 |
| GeneralAntilles | Finer grained backlight control, a combined applet, eventually a improved control panels for both. | 22:47 |
| GeneralAntilles | Jaffa, in a bit. | 22:47 |
| Jaffa | DavidePalm: thing of dpkg --purge ? | 22:47 |
| Jaffa | GeneralAntilles: ta - I should be home in quarter of an hour or so | 22:48 |
| DavidePalm | Jaffa idk does that work too? not very good at linux | 22:48 |
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| DavidePalm | Jaffa I was just looking at the apt-get options and "purge" seemed like what I needed, but I can't make it work | 22:48 |
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| qgil | fFiner grained backlight control is expected to be in the sales release | 22:48 |
| rowayda333 | hi | 22:48 |
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| aquatix | DavidePalm: apt-get remove --purge <package> | 22:48 |
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| qgil | a combined applet, well the backlight is still in the control panel - not sure how essential that is | 22:49 |
| DavidePalm | aquatix thanks | 22:49 |
| GeneralAntilles | qgil, fine grained enough to support all available levels of backlight? | 22:49 |
| rowayda333 | áé ÍÏ åÕÑé | 22:50 |
| qgil | GeneralAntilles: I would need to check, but it should go from very very dark to vry very bright with the same widget used by the volume | 22:50 |
| rowayda333 | egyptian | 22:50 |
| qgil | GeneralAntilles: as said in the FIXED enhancement request, btw | 22:50 |
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| RST38h | qgil: Here is a rather weird question; | 22:51 |
| Myrtti | oh noes | 22:51 |
| GeneralAntilles | qgil, anyway, put the status bar area in the next beta or don't I don't have the energy or free brain power at the moment to try to play the justtification game. . . . | 22:51 |
| Myrtti | my bf wants to install scratchbox | 22:51 |
| Myrtti | this'll be painful | 22:51 |
| Myrtti | "come and help me install it" | 22:51 |
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| RST38h | qgil: Will the new OS version / hardware return valid pressure values for the stylus? | 22:51 |
| Stskeeps | Myrtti: talk him out of it! | 22:51 |
| lcuk | Myrtti, its quite simple, ive even managed it a few times now! | 22:51 |
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| RST38h | Myrtti: Install SB2! | 22:52 |
| qgil | GeneralAntilles: yes, sure. I only want to say that a) putting it or not doesn't depend of BA and b) I think Fremantle actually has taken your feedback and provides to users what you were offering before - no intent of argue now :) | 22:52 |
| lbt | qgil: any thoughts on how I get my native fingerscrolling in Qt for fremantle? http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4TxAIScXQvk | 22:52 |
| qgil | RST38h: it is indeed a weird question :) | 22:52 |
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| qgil | RST38h: same or better "pressure values for the stylus", I guess | 22:53 |
| * suihkulokki thinks we should provide MER and {ubuntu,debian}-armel targets in maemo-sdk+ too | 22:53 | |
| RST38h | qgil: The basic reasn is that there are a few applications using the pressure value and some people who would like to use tablets for painting | 22:53 |
| suihkulokki | now that we don't depend on sb1, it should be feasible | 22:53 |
| RST38h | qgil: but the values returned by n8x0 devices are both somewhat bogus and uneven across the sensor | 22:53 |
| qgil | lbt: for Qt stuff you better ask the Qt4Maemo project since I have no idea myself | 22:54 |
| GeneralAntilles | qgil, you'll forgive me if I'm dubious about Nokia providing what we want. ;) | 22:54 |
| qgil | GeneralAntilles: now it's me the one tired to discuss ;) | 22:54 |
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| RST38h | suihkulokki: Either that, or our friend Stskeeps will just go with OpenEmbedded, screwing SB completely | 22:54 |
| Stskeeps | .. | 22:54 |
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| Stskeeps | OE? | 22:54 |
| Stskeeps | are you insane? | 22:54 |
| Stskeeps | :P | 22:54 |
| RST38h | Sts: Is it worse? =) | 22:55 |
| GeneralAntilles | qgil, anyway, there are a lot of planned advanced backlight features that I know Nokia isn't implementing in their stock applets. | 22:55 |
| Stskeeps | RST38h: we have gone with OBS, :P | 22:55 |
| * RST38h uses OE for the Sigmatel stuff, it seems ok | 22:55 | |
| qgil | RST38h: if you point to the bug(s) you are referring to I can tell more (there are different issues in Diablo and I'm not sure which one worries you now) | 22:55 |
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| GeneralAntilles | qgil, and rm_you is just about to have free time to develop them again. | 22:55 |
| RST38h | qgil: I do not think there is a bug report for the stylus pressure | 22:55 |
| qgil | GeneralAntilles: sure, as said it is also our interest to activate the status area in the sdk so we can allow developers like rm_you do whatever please them | 22:56 |
| RST38h | qgil: And it IS partially a hardware issue having to do with displays being slightly bent when mounted into n8x0s | 22:56 |
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| lcuk | RST38h, pressure is available and readable on 8x0? | 22:56 |
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| RST38h | qgil: The verify that, turn your tablet at ~30o angle to a fluorescent light and look at the screen | 22:56 |
| * lcuk makes use of it | 22:56 | |
| RST38h | lcuk: yep | 22:56 |
| qgil | RST38h: I recall one that could be reproduced in Diablo by drawing 1001 traces with the Sketch in certain way, I resoved as FIXED in Fremantle since I couldn't reproduce what I reproduced in Diablo/N810 | 22:57 |
| RST38h | lcuk: except that it isn't reliable | 22:57 |
| RST38h | qgil: This sounds more like a problem with Sketch :) | 22:57 |
| johnx | RST38h, think the reliability is a hardware or software thing? | 22:57 |
| qgil | RST38h: no, it was a problem detecting pressure of the stylus | 22:58 |
| lcuk | if you can reliably press with the same pressure anywhere repeatadly on any touchscreen then ill give you a beer | 22:58 |
| qgil | sjgadsby maybe recalls the bug | 22:58 |
| RST38h | johnx: Depends, but I usually make effort to make my software 100% reliable | 22:58 |
| RST38h | qgil: Oh | 22:58 |
| johnx | RST38h, that's not the Unix way :) | 22:58 |
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| RST38h | lcuk: Well, touchpads somehow manage it :) | 22:58 |
| sjgadsby | qgil: It sounds familiar, but I'd have to search for it. | 22:58 |
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| RST38h | johnx: I worked for an ATC software vendor. | 22:59 |
| lcuk | RST38h, i did notice that the threshhold on my old 810 was screwed .. | 22:59 |
| RST38h | johnx: Mistakes can be VERY costly in ATC | 22:59 |
| RST38h | lcuk: you are not alone | 22:59 |
| lcuk | the replacement from the summit that hadnt been leaned on worked perfectly (it was when i did the multitouch thing months ago | 22:59 |
| johnx | and I've noticed my touchscreen has been getting less sensitive over the years | 23:00 |
| RST38h | is the right side less sensitive than the left side? | 23:00 |
| lcuk | isnt that expected? | 23:00 |
| lcuk | no, mine is left side where i stroke more | 23:00 |
| lcuk | centre portion | 23:00 |
| RST38h | no idea, not familiar enough with the technology | 23:00 |
| johnx | yeah, but I really have to mash on it now, and drag-to-scroll tends to get interpreted as a series of clicks | 23:00 |
| qgil | RST38h: https://bugs.maemo.org/show_bug.cgi?id=2844 | 23:00 |
| johnx | RST38h, I have a deadish area on the left side of my n800 | 23:01 |
| lcuk | johnx, might be possible to adjust the threshhold x11 uses to convert from the raw values | 23:01 |
| RST38h | qgil: That's not it, only deals with coordinates | 23:01 |
| lcuk | i dont know enough to know tho | 23:01 |
| johnx | probably possible to tweak it at the tslib level, under X11 actually ... | 23:01 |
| RST38h | qgil: But I can confirm that THIS bug also occurs to me | 23:02 |
| dantonic | Hey I'm following the maemo.org guide to partition to install boot on the memory card. It talks about a 1 GB SD Card. I have a 2GB SD, would it be more beneficial to make the first partition bigger than 480MB? Is the VFAT Partition the one where the system will boot from? | 23:02 |
| lcuk | RST38h, to find out more read up on touchscreens in nintendo DSs - they commonly die (much worse than nokias from what i know) kids are harder on them | 23:02 |
| lcuk | yes johnx | 23:02 |
| lcuk | but x11 uses a fixed threshold | 23:02 |
| RST38h | lcuk: My kid has a generic GBA | 23:02 |
| lcuk | from the reporting in tslib | 23:02 |
| RST38h | lcuk: no touch screen, and I routinely buy used games for $5 apiece when in US | 23:03 |
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| RST38h | lcuk: But it is almost unimaginable what torture GBA can survive | 23:03 |
| GeneralAntilles | dantonic, not it does not boot from VFAT. | 23:03 |
| johnx | dantonic, the filesystem will be on the ext2/3 part. the vfat is just for storing files and can be accessed by a computer when plugged into the tablet by usb | 23:03 |
| GeneralAntilles | qgil, really, the most important part, adv-backlight is open source. | 23:04 |
| qgil | GeneralAntilles: ah yes | 23:05 |
| lcuk | and community built :D | 23:05 |
| qgil | benny1967 "Looks a lot like S60." - I guess we have different experiences with S60 (or Maemo 5) | 23:06 |
| GeneralAntilles | qwerty12 needs to compile XChat etc so these people will quiet down. | 23:06 |
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| konttori_ | what? beta desktop is still not the full version? | 23:12 |
| lcuk | any reason why scp would hang when starting a copy? | 23:12 |
| konttori_ | is there any diff to alpha version? | 23:12 |
| GeneralAntilles | konttori_, fun, right? | 23:12 |
| GeneralAntilles | Modest is in there now. | 23:12 |
| GeneralAntilles | APIs are frozen | 23:12 |
| * konttori_ still cannot release theme maker | 23:12 | |
| konttori_ | if desktop is not full | 23:12 |
| GeneralAntilles | We seem to be simultaneously ahead of and behind the roadmap. | 23:13 |
| RST38h | lcuk: connection problem | 23:13 |
| lcuk | ssh works flawlessly | 23:13 |
| konttori_ | not that them maker would be really needed until the device is in the hands of people | 23:14 |
| lcuk | im asking it to copy a 60mb folder | 23:14 |
| RST38h | lcuk: It may be scanning files | 23:14 |
| RST38h | filenames really | 23:14 |
| GeneralAntilles | konttori_, I know the synthesize.us people would appreciate it, though. | 23:14 |
| konttori_ | hmm... but they propably are willing to wait until getting the full stuff. | 23:15 |
| konttori_ | anyway, great that the beta is out! | 23:16 |
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| dantonic | does anyone here boot from the flashcard? | 23:16 |
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| dantonic | GeneralAntilles I know you do right? | 23:16 |
| GeneralAntilles | dantonic, yeah. | 23:17 |
| dantonic | GeneralAntilles when partitioning, is the VFAT partition the one that it will boot from? and what's the linux_83 partition? | 23:17 |
| GeneralAntilles | No, as said by johnx and myself earlier, VFAT is for filestorage and swap. | 23:17 |
| johnx | dantonic, it boots from the linux partition | 23:18 |
| GeneralAntilles | It boots from the EXT2/3 partition (linux_83) | 23:18 |
| dantonic | oh sorry msust have missed it | 23:18 |
| dantonic | for some reason it didnt highlight | 23:18 |
| dantonic | ok | 23:18 |
| dantonic | I apologize | 23:18 |
| johnx | no problem :) | 23:18 |
| johnx | how is the beta out and there's not announcement on planet maemo? | 23:19 |
| GeneralAntilles | Announcement is in announcements | 23:19 |
| dantonic | so If I'm partitioning a 2gb card.. should I double it? do I need double the swap? or probably can go with still 480mb for the swap? | 23:19 |
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| GeneralAntilles | Swap really shouldn't be more than RAM | 23:19 |
| dantonic | so 480 is already too much? how much ram we got in these guys anyway I forget | 23:20 |
| GeneralAntilles | 128MB | 23:21 |
| GeneralAntilles | Well, 480MB gives you some room for filestorage | 23:21 |
| GeneralAntilles | Are you planning on attaching this tablet to a Windows or OS X machine? | 23:21 |
| dantonic | ah ok... well I have an 8GB external card | 23:21 |
| dantonic | GeneralAntilles what do you mean by "attaching"? | 23:22 |
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| GeneralAntilles | dantonic, connecting with USB | 23:27 |
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| dantonic | GeneralAntilles, yes to windows | 23:34 |
| dantonic | Hey after a flash does restoring settings and e-mail does only that? I kinda want a fresh install, but would be nice to just let it configure my internet and e-mail settings automatically. | 23:38 |
| dantonic | will it clutter the tablet up with any of the previous stuff other than just the basic settings? | 23:39 |
| johnx | it depends on what you choose to restore, IIRC | 23:39 |
| dantonic | I chose just settings and e-mail | 23:39 |
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| zap | mmmh... anybody knows why the bash package was removed from Extras? | 23:43 |
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| qgil | It will be interesting to see how many beta sdk related news feature a maemo.org logo :) http://www.umpcportal.com/2009/04/maemo-5-sdk-is-now-in-beta-get-developing | 23:50 |
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| X-Fade | qgil: Is there even a Maemo logo ;) | 23:50 |
| GeneralAntilles | Yeah, you need some kind of graphic to use. | 23:51 |
| GeneralAntilles | Announcements are on maemo.org, too. | 23:52 |
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| X-Fade | The same problem you have when we want people to find us in google. People search for Nokia N810, we don't talk about N810 at all ;) | 23:52 |
| timeless_mbp | us = ? | 23:53 |
| GeneralAntilles | It'd probably improve pretty quickly if Nokia put out some kind of Maemo logo. | 23:53 |
| X-Fade | It seems we need to mix in a little of Nokia in maemo.org and a bit of maemo.org in Nokia's marketing ;) | 23:53 |
| X-Fade | timeless_mbp: maemo.org, sorry. | 23:53 |
| GeneralAntilles | X-Fade, you see the wiki patch? | 23:54 |
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| GeneralAntilles | lol, the capitalization on the <h1> here is pretty classy: http://maemo.org/legal/terms_of_use/trademarks/logos/ | 23:54 |
| X-Fade | GeneralAntilles: No, just dropping by. Couch surfing ;) | 23:55 |
| X-Fade | GeneralAntilles: Heh, that is CSS capitalization ;) | 23:55 |
| GeneralAntilles | X-Fade, you know you're not allowed to be in here and not be pestered by work, right? :P | 23:55 |
| dantonic | hey when I do apt-get install e2fsprogs | 23:55 |
| dantonic | I get package not available | 23:56 |
| X-Fade | /ignore GeneralAntilles | 23:56 |
| X-Fade | Oh, did I say that out loud? :) | 23:56 |
| * GeneralAntilles sends in the clones. | 23:56 | |
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| dantonic | lol GeneralAntilles | 23:56 |
| qgil | in that UMPCportal article: "More info about Freeemantle" - first time I see it spelled with 3 "e", influence of certain UMPC? | 23:56 |
| X-Fade | Btw, did people notice the HIG? http://maemo.org/api_refs/5.0/beta/hig/html/index.html | 23:58 |
| johnx | OMG, a public HIG | 23:58 |
| X-Fade | Or HHIG in this case ;) | 23:58 |
| johnx | did it leak or something? | 23:58 |
| GeneralAntilles | I say we should just go with the flow and let people use as many e's as they're comfortable with. | 23:58 |
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| johnx | freeeeeeeeeeeemntl! | 23:59 |
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