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| Guest1273_449 | #nick labaudio | 00:17 |
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| labaudio | hello all | 00:18 |
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| plastun | how can i change width of GtkVScrollbar? I see it in standard multimedia player | 01:19 |
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| wazd | plastun: wide scrollbar is another widget as I remember | 01:25 |
| plastun | hw... i dont know about it | 01:25 |
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| wazd | hm, can't find it in the reference | 01:31 |
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| Woolly | has anyone compiled opencv for maemo? | 02:01 |
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| Woolly | has anyone compiled opencv for maemo before? | 02:09 |
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| Proteous | has anyone compiled opencv for maemo yet? | 02:14 |
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| Proteous | http://lmgtfy.com/?q=opencv+maemo | 02:15 |
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| Proteous | it was tough, but after hours if intensive research I have found you and answer!!! | 02:16 |
| Proteous | s/and/an/ | 02:16 |
| infobot | Proteous meant: it was tough, but after hours if intensive research I have found you an answer!!! | 02:16 |
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| Woolly | if i'm in scratchbox, and i run say, apt-get install automake-1.9, how do i get reconf to use automake-1.9, instead of 1.8.5? | 02:53 |
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| luke-jr | KDE 4.2 is not very snappy when I am compiling in background :< | 03:45 |
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| lopz | good n. | 04:16 |
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| z4chh | this is awesome price | 04:51 |
| z4chh | http://www.buy.com/prod/nokia-n810-internet-tablet-full-pull-out-qwerty-keyboard-810/q/loc/101/206228943.html | 04:51 |
| zakkm | ripoff :D | 04:52 |
| z4chh | zakkm, ? | 04:52 |
| luke-jr | zakkm: sarcasm | 04:52 |
| zakkm | its cause the next one is coming out | 04:52 |
| z4chh | i don't care | 04:52 |
| luke-jr | zakkm: ripoff cuz the next one is coming out? | 04:53 |
| zakkm | thats a ripoff? | 04:53 |
| luke-jr | I got mine for under $200 | 04:53 |
| z4chh | zakkm, do you have an n810? | 04:53 |
| z4chh | luke-jr, used? | 04:53 |
| luke-jr | yep | 04:53 |
| zakkm | have n800, paid $117 usd in person | 04:54 |
| z4chh | i have an n800 also | 04:54 |
| z4chh | im doing development this summer though..i can use both models | 04:55 |
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| AndrewFBlack | Hello | 05:55 |
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| fuzzy | Can maemo support block disk encryption? | 06:03 |
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| kozak | Hi am trying to install maemo on Core2Dou with Ubuntu 8.10 but have a problem installing scratchbox. Can someone tell me if there is a work around? | 09:32 |
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| johnx | only if you can say what the error is :) | 09:33 |
| kozak | sure | 09:33 |
| kozak | This is what it says ! "Currently Scratcbox can only run in 32 bit i386 architecture." | 09:33 |
| johnx | ah, you're running ubuntu x86_64? | 09:34 |
| kozak | yeah | 09:34 |
| johnx | I thought someone had notes on how to force it to install, but I'm not sure where they are | 09:34 |
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| kozak | yeah I do see in the .sh that there is a -F option | 09:35 |
| kozak | will try that | 09:35 |
| kozak | Ok -F works ... I guess | 09:35 |
| kozak | it has started downloading.... | 09:36 |
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| inz | There are also scratchbox x86_64 debs | 09:36 |
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| inz | at http://www.ipi.fi/~pablo/ | 09:38 |
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| Macer | hello | 10:40 |
| Macer | Stskeeps: get it? | 10:41 |
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| Jaffa | Morning, all | 10:51 |
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| Macer | damn | 11:10 |
| Macer | 239 for an n810 from tigerdirect new | 11:10 |
| Macer | that's not bad at all | 11:10 |
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| RST38h | It is coming closer to the next tablet release... | 11:17 |
| `0660 | i guess everyone is now waiting for the next tablet release | 11:18 |
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| RST38h | Most "normal" consumer just bought themselves EEEs I suppose | 11:20 |
| RST38h | s/consumer/consumers | 11:20 |
| `0660 | true | 11:20 |
| `0660 | they don't know what they miss :) | 11:20 |
| RST38h | They are missing Modest and MicroB, for sure... | 11:21 |
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| RST38h | moo wazd | 11:27 |
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| RST38h | ...any attempted access to addresses on this list is blocked, logged (the draft seems to contradict press reports on this point) and redirected to a government page featuring a large stop sign... | 11:41 |
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| thux | morning | 12:05 |
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| Guest5437_331 | dpkg-buildpackage: failure: fakeroot debian/rules clean gave error exit status 126 | 12:13 |
| Guest5437_331 | any clue? | 12:13 |
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| RST38h | Guest: What is debian/rules? | 12:22 |
| RST38h | Is it an executable file? | 12:23 |
| Guest5437_331 | yes is a script for make a deb | 12:24 |
| Guest5437_331 | #!/usr/bin/make -f | 12:24 |
| RST38h | umgh | 12:25 |
| RST38h | And why are you running make with root privileges? | 12:25 |
| Guest5437_331 | is not good? | 12:26 |
| RST38h | Oh dpkg-buildpackage does it... | 12:26 |
| RST38h | well, either way, you should open debian/rules in an editor, find the label "clean:" and look for errors there. | 12:26 |
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| Guest5437_331 | clean: dh_testdir dh_testroot rm -f build-stamp rm -f install-stamp rm -f debian/files | 12:27 |
| Guest5437_331 | ? | 12:27 |
| RST38h | No, no, I am not going to look for errors, you look for errors, ok? | 12:28 |
| Guest5437_331 | ok | 12:28 |
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| GeneralAntilles | dneary, ping? | 13:23 |
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| lardman | morning chaps | 13:35 |
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| lardman | GeneralAntilles: looks like you scared him off | 13:35 |
| GeneralAntilles | I was going to talk to tekojo, too. | 13:35 |
| GeneralAntilles | :P | 13:35 |
| GeneralAntilles | Maybe X-Fade is awake? | 13:36 |
| X-Fade | Lunch | 13:36 |
| X-Fade | /leave Lunch! :) | 13:36 |
| GeneralAntilles | Lunch?! | 13:36 |
| GeneralAntilles | You don't get to eat. I still have things to complain about! | 13:36 |
| GeneralAntilles | Enjoy your lunch. :) | 13:37 |
| lardman | yeah, with the thought that Ryan is going to give you an earful when you've finished! ;) | 13:37 |
| X-Fade | GeneralAntilles: There is always the backscroll ;) | 13:37 |
| GeneralAntilles | I'll just talk to lardman since everybody else here sucks. | 13:38 |
| GeneralAntilles | lardman, how's life? | 13:38 |
| lardman | very very busy, you? | 13:38 |
| GeneralAntilles | At the moment, but finals will be done soon. | 13:38 |
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| lardman | I've got a review meeting next week, then wedding a month later, so still very busy | 13:39 |
| lardman | stag do this weekend, not ideal timing | 13:42 |
| lardman | no-one to blame but myself though :) | 13:42 |
| GeneralAntilles | Hehe | 13:43 |
| lardman | Are your finals the real deal, end of course? | 13:43 |
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| GeneralAntilles | Yeah, for this semester. | 13:43 |
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| lardman | how much longer do you have then? What year are you in? | 13:44 |
| GeneralAntilles | Junior year | 13:44 |
| GeneralAntilles | probably another year and a half | 13:44 |
| lardman | hmm, /me doesn't know American terminology, sophomores and things | 13:45 |
| lardman | sounds like a jellyfish ;) | 13:45 |
| GeneralAntilles | 3rd year. | 13:45 |
| lardman | What do you get, a Master's? | 13:45 |
| GeneralAntilles | Bachelors | 13:46 |
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| lardman | ok | 13:46 |
| GeneralAntilles | A councilor screwed me over by telling me to take an incorrect math class early on | 13:46 |
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| GeneralAntilles | then I screwed myself over by missing a final exam (Tuesday/Thursday thing) so I'm a little behind. ;) | 13:47 |
| lardman | Ok, so you've repeated a year? Or is the system different over there, you have to do a certain number of courses over however long? | 13:47 |
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| GeneralAntilles | No, you have a certain number of credits you need to get to and a certain set of courses you need to complete and you just keep taking courses until you get there. | 13:48 |
| lardman | ah ok, that's quite a good system | 13:49 |
| GeneralAntilles | But as the rest of the CompSci track is highly math-dependent it set me back a bit. | 13:49 |
| GeneralAntilles | Nice and fairly flexible. | 13:49 |
| GeneralAntilles | Although it does give you a bit of rope to hang yourself with if you go too far off in left field in what you're taking. | 13:49 |
| lardman | part of the learning experience hey? ;) | 13:50 |
| GeneralAntilles | Most definitely. | 13:50 |
| * GeneralAntilles sighs. | 13:50 | |
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| GeneralAntilles | A 1.8GHz G5 just doesn't cut it these days. | 13:51 |
| lardman | 8-core? | 13:51 |
| GeneralAntilles | Single CPU | 13:51 |
| GeneralAntilles | I wish I had an 8-core. | 13:52 |
| lardman | how many cores in your single cpu though? | 13:52 |
| GeneralAntilles | Although I may get lucky when I take my 2x2.5GHz into the shop. | 13:52 |
| * lardman needs a new work PC, his P4 3GHz singlehandedly heats the office running all the time | 13:53 | |
| GeneralAntilles | Hehe | 13:53 |
| GeneralAntilles | That's a nice feature during the winter. | 13:53 |
| lardman | no way, I live in a glass room with no heating control, it's always too hot | 13:53 |
| lardman | in fact we often run the aircon during the winter to bring the temp down | 13:53 |
| GeneralAntilles | Hehe | 13:53 |
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| GeneralAntilles | An Android netbook sounds like the silliest thing ever. | 13:58 |
| glass | is g1 still the only android thing really out? | 13:59 |
| GeneralAntilles | I guess there's the G2 just out. | 13:59 |
| glass | oh, it's hit the streets? | 13:59 |
| GeneralAntilles | Dunno | 13:59 |
| GeneralAntilles | I think so, but I haven't been paying very close attention. | 14:00 |
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| Woolly-work | morning, has anyone compiled opencv for maemo with python support? | 14:18 |
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| GeneralAntilles | bergie, ping? | 14:26 |
| bergie | pong | 14:26 |
| GeneralAntilles | bergie, do you happen to have a bug open for the Midgard toolbar not expanding when the font size increases? | 14:26 |
| bergie | I don't, but please post | 14:27 |
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| GeneralAntilles | bergie, can I post a new ticket on trac.midgard-project.org? | 14:27 |
| bergie | yes, please do | 14:28 |
| bergie | these are best handled in the upstream tracker :-) | 14:28 |
| GeneralAntilles | bergie, OK, wrong question, how do I register for an account to do that? :P | 14:28 |
| bergie | GeneralAntilles: http://www.midgard-project.org/community/account/register/midgard_users/ | 14:29 |
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| GeneralAntilles | Ah, OK. | 14:29 |
| GeneralAntilles | bergie, you are also aware that dragging is broken on it, right? | 14:29 |
| bergie | in Safari, right? | 14:29 |
| GeneralAntilles | WebKit, yes. | 14:30 |
| bergie | yep, that is a known issue | 14:31 |
| GeneralAntilles | OK, it's just sort of floating uselessly right in the middle of things I'm trying to look at, so. ;) | 14:31 |
| RST38h | Can this bug be restated as "get rid of the floating toolbar"? =) | 14:32 |
| GeneralAntilles | bergie, it also selects text as I drag it in FF 3 | 14:32 |
| RST38h | Maybe replace it with a thin menu bar at the top of the page? | 14:32 |
| GeneralAntilles | I'd go for that, but that's a lot of functionality to stuff into a menu bar. | 14:32 |
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| bergie | RST38h: there is a thin menu bar option, actually | 14:32 |
| bergie | RST38h: we could try and see how that'd look on maemo.org | 14:33 |
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| RST38h | bergie: Any way to enable it? The floating thing bugs me, literally | 14:33 |
| bergie | RST38h: at the moment this is a site-wide thing, "palette" or "menu" | 14:33 |
| GeneralAntilles | bergie, doest trac take time to sync accounts or something? | 14:35 |
| GeneralAntilles | s/doest/does/ | 14:36 |
| infobot | GeneralAntilles meant: bergie, does trac take time to sync accounts or something? | 14:36 |
| bergie | yeah, I think there is some 15min delay | 14:36 |
| bergie | it is quite similar setup to the current garage -> maemo.org sync | 14:36 |
| GeneralAntilles | OK | 14:37 |
| bergie | ...which we can hopefully replace with LDAP over summer :-) | 14:37 |
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| RST38h | bergie: but if I understand things correctly, the top-of-the-page menu can also be a site wide thing? | 14:38 |
| bergie | yes | 14:39 |
| bergie | we could test it on internal and then decide which way we want to use it | 14:39 |
| bergie | *or* make it user-configurable | 14:39 |
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| GeneralAntilles | user-configurable would be good | 14:39 |
| GeneralAntilles | Do you have a screenshot, though? | 14:39 |
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| bergie | GeneralAntilles: not ATM but I can take one on internal when I get to the office | 14:41 |
| GeneralAntilles | bergie, that'd be excellent. Hard to make a decision when you don't know what one of your options looks like. ;) | 14:42 |
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| bergie | ok, if I don't send a screenshot in about one hour, remind me :-) | 14:43 |
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| GeneralAntilles | Occasionally getting "Fatal error: Call to a member function get_array() on a non-object in /mnt/netapp/pear/midcom/lib/midcom/helper/_styleloader.php(637) : eval()'d code on line 4" when I tried to edit pages. | 14:53 |
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| Macer | i hate wmv | 14:55 |
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| Woolly-work | has anyone managed to compile opencv in scratchbox? | 14:56 |
| Macer | hm. is the new maemo up and running? :) | 14:56 |
| Macer | heh | 14:56 |
| GeneralAntilles | Yes | 14:56 |
| GeneralAntilles | Hmm, we're getting some badly styled links here and there. . . . | 14:56 |
| GeneralAntilles | Hirvinen, ping? | 14:56 |
| Macer | er | 14:57 |
| Macer | what's so "new" about it? | 14:57 |
| GeneralAntilles | Er, you didn't capitalize the m, so I assumed maemo.org. ;) | 14:57 |
| Jaffa | The total different style? | 14:57 |
| GeneralAntilles | No, nothing new with Maemo 5. | 14:57 |
| Macer | that is what i am talking abou tit | 14:58 |
| Macer | about | 14:58 |
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| GeneralAntilles | Ah | 14:58 |
| Macer | it doesn't look very "new" | 14:58 |
| Macer | heh | 14:58 |
| GeneralAntilles | Well, as Jaffa says, the new style. | 14:58 |
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| Macer | it's orange | 14:58 |
| Macer | :) | 14:58 |
| GeneralAntilles | OK, here's a game for everybody. Tell me how many links are in the two paragraphs on this page: http://maemo.org/community/irc/ | 14:58 |
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| Macer | 8 in wiki | 14:59 |
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| Macer | 8 in talk | 15:00 |
| GeneralAntilles | Macer, the RSS feeds are not paragraphs. :P | 15:00 |
| Macer | 3\ | 15:01 |
| Macer | in the 2 paragraphs | 15:01 |
| Macer | but you can't see them until you move your mouse over it | 15:01 |
| GeneralAntilles | 4, actually. | 15:01 |
| GeneralAntilles | But, yes. | 15:01 |
| Macer | oh.. yeah.. there are 4 :) | 15:01 |
| GeneralAntilles | Not sure why they're styled differently from the rest of the links on the site. | 15:02 |
| GeneralAntilles | Another one, guess which <h3> you can click! http://maemo.org/support/ | 15:02 |
| Macer | heh.. sorry. going to eat ;) | 15:02 |
| Macer | i just got home | 15:03 |
| * GeneralAntilles pokes X-Fade. | 15:03 | |
| X-Fade | Don't look at me. | 15:03 |
| * GeneralAntilles covers his eyes and waves a stick around in the air in X-Fade's general direction. | 15:04 | |
| Macer | i want to see how well this pch can play a damn wmv | 15:04 |
| Macer | i hope it doesn't suck | 15:04 |
| Macer | i hate people that use wmv to encode.. i wish they would all just die | 15:04 |
| GeneralAntilles | Amen | 15:04 |
| GeneralAntilles | Worse is Real Video, though. | 15:04 |
| * X-Fade promised to work on wiki styling today. | 15:04 | |
| X-Fade | So that is what I'm doing. | 15:04 |
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| GeneralAntilles | Or that one codec that's competing with h.264, but is Windows-only. | 15:05 |
| GeneralAntilles | X-Fade, blah blah blah | 15:05 |
| GeneralAntilles | X-Fade, is Hirvinen the one I can poke then? :P | 15:05 |
| X-Fade | GeneralAntilles: Why would you poke him? | 15:05 |
| GeneralAntilles | Who's working on general website bugs today? | 15:05 |
| Macer | hm | 15:06 |
| X-Fade | GeneralAntilles: Bugzilla. | 15:06 |
| Macer | hard encoded subs too.. ugh | 15:06 |
| GeneralAntilles | bleh | 15:06 |
| * GeneralAntilles pouts and files some more. | 15:06 | |
| Macer | looks like i'll be deleting 3 episodes of this eleventh hour crap | 15:06 |
| X-Fade | GeneralAntilles: But the links issue is in there already. | 15:06 |
| GeneralAntilles | Macer, I'm usually OK with those as long as it's not in English. | 15:06 |
| Macer | haha | 15:06 |
| Macer | draws your eyes to it and forces you to read it when it's english right? :) | 15:06 |
| Macer | i have that same problem | 15:06 |
| GeneralAntilles | Having an English movie with hardcodded English subs is infuriating though | 15:06 |
| Jaffa | I'd rather stuff used RealVideo than anything else - then I can watch it on my tablet | 15:07 |
| Macer | hahaha | 15:07 |
| Macer | it's like closed caption television :) | 15:07 |
| GeneralAntilles | Jaffa, I can watch DivX on my table. | 15:07 |
| GeneralAntilles | s/table/tablet/ | 15:07 |
| infobot | GeneralAntilles meant: Jaffa, I can watch DivX on my tablet. | 15:07 |
| * GeneralAntilles only wishes he had one of those awesome multitouch tables. | 15:07 | |
| Macer | higher res video on the tablet sucks | 15:07 |
| Macer | even stuff that is normal standard def | 15:08 |
| GeneralAntilles | I usually prefer hardcoded subs when I'm going to need them since the subtitle renders in all of the video playback software I use absolutely suck ass. | 15:08 |
| Macer | i always wound up encoding it as mp4 with an ipod profile to get them to play correctly without stuttering at all | 15:08 |
| Macer | haha | 15:08 |
| GeneralAntilles | I don't get why it's impossible to render subtitles at native resolution instead of video resolution. | 15:08 |
| GeneralAntilles | Apple's DVD player can do it. | 15:08 |
| Jaffa | GeneralAntilles: Not many websites put streaming DivX up | 15:09 |
| Macer | because it is a cruel cruel world :) | 15:09 |
| Macer | yeah. most use flash | 15:09 |
| GeneralAntilles | Jaffa, who's talking about streaming? | 15:09 |
| Macer | :) | 15:09 |
| Jaffa | GeneralAntilles: You know how DVD subtitles work? | 15:09 |
| Macer | GeneralAntilles: some players just suck | 15:09 |
| Macer | pch works really well for subs with mkv | 15:09 |
| GeneralAntilles | Jaffa, magic? | 15:09 |
| Jaffa | GeneralAntilles: 1-bit bitmaps :) | 15:10 |
| Macer | they don't look bad at all. i think the pch itself handles the rendering .. who knows :) | 15:10 |
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| Macer | ah well.. bbl | 15:10 |
| GeneralAntilles | Jaffa, yeah, but what about .srt and VLC? | 15:10 |
| GeneralAntilles | That should just be able to use nice text rendering, but that seems like it's impossible. | 15:10 |
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| GeneralAntilles | Anybody else having trouble with comments? | 15:17 |
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| andre__ | hmm. i dislike missing bugmail. grumble. | 15:28 |
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| Khertan | Hello ! | 15:31 |
| GeneralAntilles | Is anybody working on the bugzilla templates yet? | 15:31 |
| GeneralAntilles | 'morning, Khertan. | 15:31 |
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| Khertan | 'morning GeneralAntilles | 15:35 |
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| lardman | ~lart Windows for being really crap when not rebooted | 15:41 |
| * infobot plops Windows into a giant vat of herring for being really crap when not rebooted | 15:41 | |
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| Khertan | ~lart lardman for using windows | 15:42 |
| * infobot eats lardman and falls over dead for using windows | 15:42 | |
| lardman | ~lart lardman's work for only having Windows based software | 15:42 |
| * infobot judo chops lardman's work for only having Windows based software | 15:42 | |
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| andre__ | GeneralAntilles, not me | 16:07 |
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| Woolly-work | has anyone compiled opencv for maemo? | 16:38 |
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| * man_in_ltop waves | 16:54 | |
| man_in_ltop | so i got myself a nokia n810 :) | 16:55 |
| man_in_ltop | just downloading diablo for it | 16:55 |
| mgedmin | doesn't it come with diablo? | 16:57 |
| mgedmin | maybe not with the latest latest version | 16:57 |
| man_in_ltop | apparently not | 16:57 |
| GeneralAntilles | mgedmin, no. | 16:57 |
| GeneralAntilles | Chinook. | 16:57 |
| GeneralAntilles | Nokia's been a little laggard in updating the manufactured units. | 16:58 |
| man_in_ltop | yeah, 2.2 or something | 16:58 |
| mgedmin | wait... chinook is os2007, diablo is os2008, right? | 16:58 |
| mgedmin | wasn't os2008 released at the same time as n810? | 16:58 |
| man_in_ltop | yeah | 16:58 |
| man_in_ltop | looks like it | 16:58 |
| GeneralAntilles | mgedmin, Bora, Chinook, Diablo. | 16:58 |
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| man_in_ltop | either way, this thing doesn't have diablo :D | 16:59 |
| * mgedmin no longer knows which is which | 16:59 | |
| GeneralAntilles | http://wiki.maemo.org/Codenames | 17:00 |
| GeneralAntilles | Bora was OS2007 | 17:00 |
| GeneralAntilles | Chinook was OS2008.0, Diablo was OS2008.1 | 17:00 |
| parazitus | man_in_ltop: just out of curiosity, how much it costed? | 17:00 |
| man_in_ltop | so, i don't suppose anyone knows a way to get WPA-EAP-TTLS/PAP support? :) | 17:00 |
| man_in_ltop | au$545 | 17:00 |
| GeneralAntilles | Yeesh | 17:00 |
| parazitus | wow, too much.. | 17:00 |
| man_in_ltop | heh | 17:01 |
| locutus | i paid 0 EUR for mine :) | 17:01 |
| man_in_ltop | too much for something that doesn't have the EAP inner auth i need :( | 17:01 |
| Khertan | man_in_ltop: lol | 17:02 |
| mgedmin | ouch | 17:02 |
| man_in_ltop | i'm not kidding | 17:02 |
| Khertan | but you are making me laught ... | 17:02 |
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| man_in_ltop | i got it so i could check my email/discussion boards at uni without lugging around a 2.5 kg laptop ;) | 17:02 |
| mgedmin | what's this EAP thingy used for? ultra-secure corporate/university networks? | 17:02 |
| mgedmin | university, knew it | 17:02 |
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| Woolly-work | In my scratchbox installation, if I upgrade automake, why doesn't it replace the /scratchbox/tools/bin/automake binary with the version that i've just installed? | 17:02 |
| man_in_ltop | and uni has like the ONE eap inner auth that's not supported | 17:03 |
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| mgedmin | Woolly-work: that's just how scratchbox works | 17:03 |
| man_in_ltop | mgedmin, yeah | 17:03 |
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| Woolly-work | mgedmin: damn :( | 17:03 |
| Woolly-work | I'm trying to run autoconf, but it's saying my version is 1.8.5, not 1.9, but 1.9 is installed as automake-1.9 | 17:04 |
| mgedmin | it seems like a rather common complaint | 17:04 |
| mgedmin | but I don't remember anyone saying they found a solution | 17:04 |
| GeneralAntilles | Somebody put together a plugin, I think. | 17:04 |
| GeneralAntilles | But I don't pay any attention when silly WiFi auth discussions come up. | 17:04 |
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| Woolly-work | ls | 17:06 |
| Woolly-work | woops :D | 17:06 |
| Khertan | commands woops :D not found | 17:07 |
| Woolly-work | damn :( | 17:07 |
| mgedmin | Khertan: that was the output of ls, not another command | 17:07 |
| Khertan | command damn :( not found | 17:07 |
| man_in_ltop | you're not doing it right | 17:07 |
| Khertan | mgedmin: man page not found | 17:07 |
| man_in_ltop | space delimits arguments | 17:07 |
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| Khertan | [<c0102fa1>] process_timeout+0x0/0x9 | 17:09 |
| Khertan | Kernel panic - not syncing: Brain with Memory, killing interrupt handler | 17:09 |
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| GeneralAntilles | murrayc, I take it you made that mistake? :P | 17:12 |
| murrayc | GeneralAntilles: What mistake? | 17:12 |
| GeneralAntilles | murrayc, of thinking the final countdown was for the beta SDK. ;) | 17:12 |
| murrayc | No, someone else did. I know better. | 17:13 |
| Khertan | yep ... i think too this was the final countdown to freemantle | 17:13 |
| Khertan | fremantle | 17:13 |
| GeneralAntilles | Anyway, it clearly says maemo.org, and talks about website-related things. | 17:13 |
| Khertan | or what is it s name :) | 17:13 |
| GeneralAntilles | Not sure how it could be more clear. | 17:13 |
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| Khertan | GeneralAntilles: maybe but i got a excuse ... | 17:14 |
| murrayc | GeneralAntilles: "maemo.org website" is clearer but feel free to blame the readers instead. | 17:14 |
| GeneralAntilles | murrayc, done. :) | 17:14 |
| Khertan | seeing black text on black background didn't help ... | 17:14 |
| Khertan | with too much sun in the train trying to fix the blueman-manager error under mer :) | 17:15 |
| Khertan | :) | 17:15 |
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| GeneralAntilles | I really want the hearts/thumbs back. | 17:17 |
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| GeneralAntilles | It's much harder to talk about two thumbs. | 17:17 |
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| Khertan | hum ... | 17:18 |
| Khertan | not sure | 17:18 |
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| Woolly-work | has anyone compiled opencv for maemo successfully? | 17:30 |
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| Woolly-work | has anyone managed to successfully compile opencv for maemo? | 17:44 |
| andre__ | what does "can't find it" exactly mean? | 17:44 |
| man_in_ltop | yay for jabber client with my new maemo-based toy :P | 17:44 |
| man_in_ltop | means he doesn't have a potion of see invisible :P | 17:45 |
| man_in_ltop | wait, this isn't #nethack ;) | 17:45 |
| Woolly-work | andre__: python2.5 wasn't in /usr/bin, fixed now with a re-install | 17:45 |
| Robot101 | so, like, why does the GSoC project to add IM to canola not use telepathy? :( | 17:45 |
| andre__ | Robot101, i also wondered about that | 17:46 |
| etrunko | Robot101: we were talking about it yesterday in #canola | 17:46 |
| etrunko | me and andrunko were trying to convince the guys to do so | 17:46 |
| etrunko | Robot101: you could help us there ;) | 17:47 |
| andre__ | what do they want to try? libpurple instead? | 17:47 |
| wjt | andre__: the carman people wrapped libpurple in python rather than using telepathy | 17:47 |
| andre__ | uhm | 17:47 |
| wjt | andre__: the canola SoC person wants to use pypurple or whatever | 17:47 |
| bergie | why not telepathy? | 17:48 |
| bergie | then it would use maemo's default IM connections automatically | 17:48 |
| etrunko | wjt: yeah, don't know why they didn't try telepathy | 17:48 |
| wazd_ | Wrong question | 17:48 |
| wazd_ | IM in Canola?) | 17:48 |
| wjt | wazd_: well that's a whole other thing | 17:48 |
| Robot101 | etrunko: why do you need more reason than "its the built in device IM stack"? :) | 17:48 |
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| wjt | wazd_: "hey, i want IM and my todo list in a media player!!!" | 17:49 |
| Robot101 | wazd: I don't really opine on whether it's a good idea, but using libpurple is rarely a good idea :) | 17:49 |
| bergie | :-D | 17:49 |
| wazd | wjt: I want it to make coffee :D | 17:49 |
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| andre__ | kitchen sinks. | 17:49 |
| Robot101 | it doesn't do what you expect, at all. but if you do want IM in your media player, it shouldn't sign on totally separately to the rest of your device | 17:49 |
| wjt | I *really* need to write Intravenous (again) so that we can honestly say Telepathy makes coffee | 17:49 |
| Robot101 | that's an absolute certainty | 17:49 |
| bergie | yeah, seems people want *both* canola and liqbase to do *everything* | 17:49 |
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| Vudentz | Robot101, etrunko, it requires to much hack, especially to calls since there are other components which take over, so canola has to guess (register the dbus name before) what is happening. | 17:49 |
| wjt | erm... | 17:50 |
| Robot101 | it should just let you pop up quick notifications or have a little conversation within the player | 17:50 |
| Robot101 | Vudentz: yeah, because integrating libpurple will make calls work soooo much better... | 17:50 |
| etrunko | lol | 17:50 |
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| Robot101 | honestly, why would you ever want to configure your IM accounts inside a media player? :) | 17:51 |
| X-Fade | Robot101: Because you can? :) | 17:52 |
| Robot101 | use them briefly, yes, or know when some events happen, but the device-wide accounts and connections are the only things worth interacting with | 17:52 |
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| Robot101 | like having some notifications when people sign on or message you, maybe a quick reply | 17:52 |
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| Vudentz | Robot101, you mean use mission-control? | 17:53 |
| Robot101 | (I admit the architecture in Diablo isn't ideally suited to this, but the new MC spec and stuff in Fremantle makes life a lot better) | 17:53 |
| Robot101 | ((I still don't think it's going to be like totally insoluble in Diablo though, just maybe not quite so pretty)) | 17:53 |
| lfelipe | Robot101: IM inside canola can be used for lots of different things | 17:54 |
| lfelipe | not only chatting | 17:54 |
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| Robot101 | for the new MC spec we've considered use-cases like notifying messages or accepting calls from within a full-screen media player | 17:54 |
| Vudentz | Robot101, yeah, I would say that the older versions it would be a lot of pain to deal with, especially the stream-engine | 17:54 |
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| lfelipe | trading media with other canola users on the same network (bonjour), etc. | 17:54 |
| etrunko | Robot101: any chance to see that working on diablo then? | 17:54 |
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| wjt | lfelipe: telepathy-salut does file transfers | 17:54 |
| wjt | lfelipe: and tubes | 17:54 |
| lfelipe | wjt: I know, I know | 17:55 |
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| lfelipe | the student and his mentor are already taking a look at telepathy | 17:55 |
| Robot101 | lfelipe: telepathy supports file transfers (bonjour and XMPP) and collaborative stuff... better than libpurple does, if you want to stream files around and stuff | 17:55 |
| etrunko | wjt: yeah, internet is a bunch of tubes after all :P | 17:55 |
| lfelipe | but no one mentioned it before | 17:55 |
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| wjt | lfelipe: *really*? | 17:55 |
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| wjt | like, no-one thought to consider the target platform's IM stack? :) | 17:55 |
| Robot101 | etrunko: I think putting new MC on Diablo would mean the built-in stuff would all die | 17:55 |
| Robot101 | etrunko: but for Mer that's hardly a problem, you can drop Empathy on there | 17:56 |
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| Robot101 | and then it will work in Mer and in Fremantle | 17:56 |
| Robot101 | and on the GNOME/KDE desktop | 17:56 |
| lfelipe | wjt: not in comments that I recall | 17:56 |
| X-Fade | Robot101: Well, we could put it in a community update for diablo. | 17:56 |
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| Robot101 | and generally in the flying car future | 17:56 |
| lfelipe | I honestly don't care which one it uses, as long as it gets done | 17:56 |
| Robot101 | X-Fade: you'd have to gut the Contacts TN plugin and Presence SB plugin I guess, and replace them with some open alternative | 17:57 |
| etrunko | lfelipe: indeed. the big thing is to define the scope of the project | 17:57 |
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| lfelipe | I'm not that familiar with telepathy, so if I'd to decide on something I'd also choose libpurple | 17:57 |
| man_in_pda | so is there no solution or workaround to wpa-eap/pap? | 17:57 |
| lfelipe | it's been there for quite some time, stable, well know, etc. | 17:57 |
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| Robot101 | X-Fade: in Diablo, the RTCom framework built on top of Telepathy isn't very loosely coupled, so if you start turning stuff off you pretty much lose it all | 17:57 |
| wjt | lfelipe: as someone familiar with both telepathy and libpurple... | 17:57 |
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| Robot101 | X-Fade: it's way better in Fremantle | 17:57 |
| wjt | lfelipe: the latter is worlds of pain compared to the former | 17:57 |
| lfelipe | but as I said, it's up to the student and the mentor to decide, and I'm sure that they will do a really nice job on it | 17:57 |
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| lfelipe | antognolli: *cough* *cough* | 17:58 |
| lfelipe | heeheh | 17:58 |
| Robot101 | X-Fade: given Telepathy actually came up with nice specs for separating those things nicely now | 17:58 |
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| Robot101 | (if I could step back in time and give myself a message 3 years ago, it would've been to write that first :D) | 17:58 |
| man_in_ltop | hmm | 17:58 |
| X-Fade | Robot101: Lol ;) | 17:59 |
| man_in_ltop | is there a timeframe on when freemantle will be released? | 17:59 |
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| X-Fade | man_in_ltop: When it is ready? :) | 17:59 |
| man_in_ltop | well | 17:59 |
| man_in_ltop | i read that freemantle MIGHT have wpa-eap/pap support | 17:59 |
| man_in_ltop | which would be superawesomecool for me | 17:59 |
| X-Fade | man_in_ltop: http://wiki.maemo.org/Task:Maemo_roadmap/Fremantle | 17:59 |
| man_in_ltop | cos then i could use the damn thing at uni :D | 18:00 |
| antognolli | lfelipe, Robot101: yeah, we are already looking at them both | 18:00 |
| X-Fade | man_in_ltop: you can even now? | 18:00 |
| X-Fade | man_in_ltop: http://www.valeriovalerio.org/?p=182 | 18:01 |
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| man_in_ltop | pfft | 18:02 |
| man_in_ltop | why does everyone keep assuming that MSChapV2 == PAP? | 18:02 |
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| Woolly-work | I've installed the assorted libcv packages for opencv, but I cant figure out how to add in the Python wrappers | 18:03 |
| Woolly-work | any ideas? | 18:04 |
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| X-Fade | man_in_ltop: The open source driver should be able to support it in combination with wpa_supplicant? | 18:05 |
| luke-jr | I'm wondering why there's no combination wpa_supplicant + kismet ;) | 18:05 |
| GeneralAntilles | X-Fade, could we give the autobuilder a list of restricted packages? | 18:06 |
| zs | hi anyone knows what's the name of application which shows cpu usage, can make screenshot? | 18:07 |
| X-Fade | GeneralAntilles: Buildme could probably check before submitting to the builders. (If we add that ;) | 18:07 |
| man_in_ltop | X-Fade, where to get? | 18:07 |
| qwerty12 | zs: load-applet | 18:07 |
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| Robot101 | antognolli: we're happy to help advise on telepathy use if you need | 18:09 |
| zs | qwerty12, thanks | 18:09 |
| X-Fade | man_in_ltop: Search for cx3110x, that will probably give you enough info. | 18:09 |
| antognolli | Robot101: thanks, we'll ask for it if needed | 18:10 |
| man_in_ltop | um | 18:10 |
| man_in_ltop | hmm | 18:11 |
| man_in_ltop | you sure cx3110x is for nokia n810? | 18:12 |
| qwerty12 | man_in_ltop: if you run lsmod on your N810, you'll most likely find it loaded ;) | 18:13 |
| X-Fade | man_in_ltop: https://garage.maemo.org/pipermail/cx3110x-devel/2008-October/000056.html | 18:13 |
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| lardman | re | 18:13 |
| man_in_ltop | qwerty12, indeed | 18:15 |
| man_in_ltop | http://stlc45xx.garage.maemo.org/ << google shows me this though | 18:16 |
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| qwerty12 | stlc45xx is its fully open source replacement, for newer kernels and it's gonna be used in the next device AFAIK. But it won't compile against 2.6.21 | 18:18 |
| GeneralAntilles | qwerty12, next device? | 18:20 |
| GeneralAntilles | The next device is a TI chipset. | 18:20 |
| man_in_ltop | does diablo update change the kernel? | 18:20 |
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| qwerty12 | GeneralAntilles: Ah, then what is the point of Nokia developing the driver? (Sorry, but I really don't see it being done out of the goodness of their heart for N8x0...) | 18:21 |
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| GeneralAntilles | Out of the goodness of their hearts for the N8x0. | 18:21 |
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| X-Fade | Development is here: http://gitorious.org/projects/stlc45xx | 18:22 |
| X-Fade | Although we might want to ask Kalle to move to git.maemo.org ;) | 18:22 |
| GeneralAntilles | WL1271 http://focus.ti.com/general/docs/wtbu/wtbuproductcontent.tsp?templateId=6123&navigationId=12762&contentId=29993 | 18:22 |
| qwerty12 | Let me know when they actually get a fully working kernel on the N8x0 first ;) | 18:23 |
| qwerty12 | +newer | 18:23 |
| qwerty12 | Well, I guess, at least N810 still has sound support | 18:23 |
| * man_in_ltop wants there to be an easy way to set all this up | 18:26 | |
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| lardman | has there been a Diablo update? | 18:30 |
| lardman | since the last one that is? | 18:30 |
| luke-jr | qwerty12: I don't have sound workign eet | 18:30 |
| qwerty12 | This in Maemo, or Gentoo? | 18:30 |
| luke-jr | Gentoo ☺ | 18:30 |
| GeneralAntilles | lardman, not yet. | 18:31 |
| GeneralAntilles | lardman, but read up on -developers | 18:31 |
| lardman | I read some talk about how to push one, was just wondering if there was a newer kernel scudding about | 18:31 |
| lardman | luke-jr: what kernel are you using? | 18:32 |
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| man_in_ltop | ok | 18:35 |
| man_in_ltop | so now i have wirelesstools installed | 18:35 |
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| GeneralAntilles | bergie, ping? | 18:36 |
| rm_you | X-Fade: maemo has a git repo? :P | 18:38 |
| rm_you | stlc45xx has ONE active developer AFAICT >_> | 18:39 |
| man_in_ltop | yay for openssh-client | 18:39 |
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| Woolly-work | is there a guide for building your own binary image? | 18:42 |
| Woolly-work | I'd like to create one with all the packages that I need for development already added, so I dont need to follow a long list of instructions! | 18:43 |
| rm_you | Woolly-work: just make a really nice install that has everything you want, but do it with RootOnSD, and then make an image of the SD card | 18:44 |
| rm_you | if something breaks or you want to distribute it, just image an SD card with it | 18:44 |
| rm_you | that's the easiest way AFAIK | 18:44 |
| rm_you | if you develop on the tablet, you really want RootOnSD anyway <_< | 18:45 |
| Woolly-work | rm_you: thanks :) why? | 18:45 |
| rm_you | 1) way more space | 18:45 |
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| Woolly-work | how large a card do I need? as I have 5 tablets and might not be able to afford 5 huge ones :P | 18:46 |
| rm_you | 2) if you break something and brick your system, boot to the flash memory with a stock image installed, chroot into the SD card, and fix the problem, instead of having to reflash | 18:46 |
| rm_you | Woolly-work: probably a 4g card would do and those are CHEAP | 18:46 |
| rm_you | even 2g | 18:46 |
| Woolly-work | awesome :) | 18:46 |
| rm_you | hell even 1g | 18:46 |
| rm_you | but | 18:46 |
| rm_you | i'd recommend 2-4g | 18:46 |
| Woolly-work | so a 4G card would work? | 18:47 |
| rm_you | there's a nice wiki page on it | 18:47 |
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| rm_you | 4g is PLEEEENTY | 18:47 |
| rm_you | for like, everything you could possibly want. plus some coding music. | 18:47 |
| Woolly-work | awesome, do you have a link to that wiki? | 18:47 |
| rm_you | sec | 18:47 |
| rm_you | ~rootonsd | 18:47 |
| qwerty12 | ~boot-sd | 18:47 |
| infobot | [boot-sd] https://wiki.maemo.org/Booting_from_a_flash_card | 18:47 |
| rm_you | bah | 18:47 |
| rm_you | thanks qwerty12 :P | 18:47 |
| Woolly-work | thanks guys :) | 18:47 |
| qwerty12 | :P | 18:48 |
| lardman | lol, just don't try an on-device OE build of anything | 18:48 |
| rm_you | yeah it's a bit slow | 18:48 |
| lardman | I was thinking more about space | 18:48 |
| rm_you | i assume you're doing development of your own app, either python or C or something small? :P | 18:48 |
| qwerty12 | lardman: I'm compiling aptitude, watchdog has kicked in plenty... | 18:48 |
| rm_you | lol well yeah | 18:48 |
| Woolly-work | Python yup :) | 18:48 |
| rm_you | on a 4g card you could probably get away with compiling anything, honestly | 18:48 |
| luke-jr | lardman: Diablo's kernel | 18:48 |
| lardman | qwerty12: really, I'd have thought the watchdog kicker would be resident in memory or something | 18:48 |
| rm_you | disable watchdog >_> | 18:49 |
| lardman | luke-jr: ok, so not audio coded driver then | 18:49 |
| rm_you | at least while developing, IMO | 18:49 |
| lardman | s/coded/codec | 18:49 |
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| qwerty12 | rm_you: heh, opened the Makefile and added "--param ggc-min-expand=0 --param ggc-min-heapsize=16384" from a post fanoush wrote. It'll go a lot slower now, but at least I can still use the device :) | 18:50 |
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| rm_you | lardman: hows it going BTW? I kinda disappeared after the summit last fall and havent been on a whole lot since i reappeared in december... haven't been in the loop for a while :P | 18:50 |
| rm_you | qwerty12: heh | 18:50 |
| lardman | rm_you: I'm a bit out of the loop atm too, lots of day-job work + wedding coming up | 18:50 |
| rm_you | lardman: yours? :P | 18:50 |
| lardman | yep | 18:50 |
| rm_you | congratulations :) | 18:51 |
| lardman | thanks | 18:51 |
| lardman | :) | 18:51 |
| rm_you | I guess we understand each other then :) | 18:51 |
| lardman | yeah, frustrating isn't it! | 18:51 |
| rm_you | women tend to take away the time that used to be spent on maemo >_> | 18:51 |
| rm_you | worth it though, i suppose :P | 18:51 |
| lardman | lol, not so much that, more the stuff to be organised, etc., every evening | 18:51 |
| rm_you | ah, yeah | 18:52 |
| rm_you | well, there is the underlying cause :) | 18:52 |
| lardman | plus being too tired to code | 18:52 |
| rm_you | I feel you there >_> | 18:52 |
| lardman | speaking of tired, time to get brain food | 18:52 |
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| rm_you | once this semester is over, not only will I not have a shitton of work to do, but my GF is going to be away for a while | 18:53 |
| rm_you | so i'll be up for a lot of coding :) | 18:53 |
| rm_you | finally get that open control panel done for ABL... *grumble* | 18:53 |
| rm_you | ah right i have to apply your patches still, qwerty | 18:53 |
| rm_you | my scratchbox is down :( | 18:53 |
| rm_you | and i was using johnx' but he is switching to fulltime Mer so no more scratchbox on his machine >_< | 18:54 |
| qwerty12 | rm_you: heh, did you manage to grab them? I removed everything form maemobox because it's shutting down :) | 18:54 |
| rm_you | my server is in too delicate a state currently to try to fix it | 18:54 |
| rm_you | qwerty12: no! i don't have them yet! >_> | 18:54 |
| rm_you | i just saved the link | 18:54 |
| rm_you | so i guess i can delete it from my bookmarks then >_> | 18:55 |
| qwerty12 | Lol, I've got them here, I'll pastebin :) | 18:55 |
| rm_you | why is maemobox going down? | 18:55 |
| rm_you | they need hosting support? | 18:55 |
| rm_you | I could set them up | 18:55 |
| rm_you | I have ridiculously unused hosting | 18:55 |
| qwerty12 | http://www.internettablettalk.com/forums/showthread.php?t=28447 | 18:55 |
| rm_you | noooo | 18:56 |
| rm_you | why haven't i been around | 18:56 |
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| rm_you | i could set him up right now! | 18:56 |
| rm_you | >_< | 18:56 |
| rm_you | if he gets on, tell him to like, CALL ME, or something | 18:56 |
| Woolly-work | rm_you: I'm just reading over this booting from SD card guide, and if I read this correctly, I want to get the firmware image on the tablet to the point where I'm happy with transferring it to the SD card, then copy the image over? | 18:56 |
| rm_you | Woolly-work: that is ONE thought | 18:56 |
| rm_you | what i usually do is just copy the base image | 18:56 |
| Woolly-work | right | 18:57 |
| rm_you | cause i want the flash install to be clean | 18:57 |
| Woolly-work | yes | 18:57 |
| Woolly-work | i see | 18:57 |
| rm_you | and i do all the customization once i boot to the SD | 18:57 |
| Woolly-work | alright | 18:57 |
| qwerty12 | rm_you: http://slexy.org/view/s2eClPmXvP and http://slexy.org/view/s2Qx1YMqk9 | 18:57 |
| rm_you | qwerty12: lol k i will try to save them now... i am not on a good machine for this | 18:57 |
| Woolly-work | if i have an SD card with a diablo image on it, can i put that into another N810 and boot from that straight off the bat? | 18:57 |
| Woolly-work | or is there anything I need to do on the N810 side | 18:57 |
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| rm_you | well | 18:58 |
| qwerty12 | flasher-3.0 --set-root-device :> | 18:58 |
| rm_you | the device itself has to have the bootloader flashed | 18:58 |
| rm_you | but then yes | 18:58 |
| rm_you | so basically, if you flash the bootloader on all of the devices | 18:58 |
| rm_you | and then clone one fully working environment from the one SD card to four others, you can have all 5 devices booting instantly :) | 18:59 |
| Woolly-work | awesome, that's what I need | 18:59 |
| rm_you | I don't think there's anything you need to worry about, IIRC | 18:59 |
| Woolly-work | and the bootloader you are talking about is the bootmenu from fanoush? | 18:59 |
| rm_you | that's what i use | 19:00 |
| Woolly-work | grand, cheers :) | 19:00 |
| rm_you | qwerty12: does that command just change it to boot from a different device? | 19:00 |
| rm_you | and not display a bootmenu? | 19:00 |
| qwerty12 | rm_you: yep, works with or without bootmenu | 19:00 |
| rm_you | qwerty12: cool :P i think i prefer having the menu, myself, but that could work for you Woolly-work :P | 19:01 |
| qwerty12 | To restore the default behaviour, there's a --clear-root-device setting or something in the flasher | 19:01 |
| qwerty12 | Yep, the bootmenu is a lot better but for those times where you can't install it :) | 19:01 |
| Woolly-work | so i'm using flasher3.0 to put the SD card image onto the SD card in the virgin tablet | 19:01 |
| rm_you | no | 19:02 |
| rm_you | err | 19:02 |
| rm_you | i don't think so | 19:02 |
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| rm_you | Woolly-work: flasher3.0 will set which device to boot from, as an alternative to installing fanoush' bootmenu | 19:02 |
| Woolly-work | ahh so flasher3.0 --set-boot-device or whatever it is wont specify an image to flash or anything, it just modifies the bootloader | 19:02 |
| rm_you | Woolly-work: to clone the SD card, I recommend putting it into a cardreader on your main machine, using dd or something to clone the entire disk to binary file, and then using dd to image all the other SD cards :P | 19:03 |
| Woolly-work | yeah, that's what I was going to do :D | 19:03 |
| rm_you | yes | 19:03 |
| Woolly-work | qwerty12: do you know if the set root device falls back to booting from internal if there isn't an SD present? | 19:03 |
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| rm_you | it *should* if it is sane | 19:04 |
| rm_you | qwerty12, thoughts? | 19:04 |
| qwerty12 | Should do, lemme check linuxrc. But bootmenu is much better to use | 19:04 |
| Woolly-work | yeah | 19:04 |
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| qwerty12 | Yep, it goes back to flash | 19:05 |
| Woolly-work | awesome, thanks :) | 19:05 |
| GeneralAntilles | Flash needs to die horribly. | 19:05 |
| rm_you | lol GA | 19:05 |
| Woolly-work | i think i'll go with bootmenu, just to have the menu there, in case | 19:05 |
| GeneralAntilles | Some stupid, idiotic little flash applet has my whole browser locked up. | 19:05 |
| Woolly-work | wrong Flash :D | 19:06 |
| qwerty12 | Grab the pitchforks! | 19:06 |
| rm_you | GA: throw your Flash binary into the aperture science furnace, aka /dev/null | 19:07 |
| rm_you | :P | 19:07 |
| GeneralAntilles | I'm ready to break every piece of technology in this apartment. | 19:07 |
| rm_you | qwerty12: you know you could like, attach those patches to the PATCHES section of my garage project :P | 19:07 |
| rm_you | where they're like, supposed to go :P | 19:07 |
| rm_you | lol | 19:08 |
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| qwerty12 | rm_you: srysly? You could have told me this sooner :P | 19:08 |
| * rm_you just realized this | 19:08 | |
| * qwerty12 never knew this. Hah, I got the 1UP :P | 19:08 | |
| rm_you | https://garage.maemo.org/tracker/?atid=2116&group_id=564&func=browse | 19:08 |
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| rm_you | qwerty12: do you still stick to being online ONLY during specific hours like you did back last year? ( http://outpo.st/irc/ -- see your time distribution image, you are #12) | 19:12 |
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| rm_you | cause that was funny :P | 19:13 |
| rm_you | like ONLY 06-17h | 19:13 |
| rm_you | :P | 19:13 |
| qwerty12 | rm_you: pretty much, yeah :). qwerty12_N800 can be found on here until around 12:30 AM BST :P | 19:14 |
| * rm_you misses jott | 19:14 | |
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| rm_you | brb | 19:15 |
| man_in_ltop | huh | 19:18 |
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| Stskeeps | Macer: got the toll stuff: will have to cash out 76$ but that's cheap compared to how much i would have to pay for a new one | 19:21 |
| Stskeeps | toll/customs | 19:21 |
| Stskeeps | thereÃ's limits on what is considered gifts (price value, so) | 19:21 |
| ShadowJK | how do they arrive at 76? | 19:21 |
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| Stskeeps | ShadowJK: 150 dkk fee, 25% VAT probably | 19:22 |
| Stskeeps | landing at 438kr approx | 19:22 |
| ShadowJK | oh, it's sent through a courier instead of normal mail? | 19:22 |
| Stskeeps | normal mail | 19:22 |
| Stskeeps | facist danish post .. | 19:23 |
| ShadowJK | hm. | 19:23 |
| Stskeeps | :P | 19:23 |
| ShadowJK | fi post lets you handle customs yourself, which doesn't cost you any fees | 19:23 |
| Stskeeps | my gf tells me i should have sent it to poland instead | 19:25 |
| Woolly-work | rm_you: do I need to install e2fsprogs like it says in the wiki? it's been replaced by libuuid1 apparently | 19:25 |
| man_in_ltop | well, i hope to get a working wpa-eap/pap solution by tuesday | 19:26 |
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| * Stskeeps wonders if mer works with wpa-eap or not.. the bug in discussion atm confuses me | 19:27 | |
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| Stskeeps | man_in_ltop: there's a ICD plugin for WPA supplicant afaik | 19:27 |
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| man_in_ltop | where? | 19:28 |
| qwerty12 | It won't compile, wants some functions in some headers that weren't included with it | 19:28 |
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| Macer | Stskeeps? | 19:38 |
| GeneralAntilles | Alright, that was a pain http://wiki.maemo.org/User:Generalantilles/Sandbox/Front_page | 19:38 |
| man_in_ltop | grrrrr | 19:39 |
| rm_you | hrmrm | 19:39 |
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| rm_you | the current front page is broken? or just sucky? | 19:39 |
| GeneralAntilles | http://wiki.maemo.org/ | 19:40 |
| rm_you | i know, i see it | 19:40 |
| GeneralAntilles | Horribly, horribly broken. | 19:40 |
| rm_you | all the boxes are pretty? >_> | 19:40 |
| GeneralAntilles | Mostly because X-Fade broke the templates. :P | 19:40 |
| rm_you | oh | 19:40 |
| rm_you | yeah i see | 19:40 |
| rm_you | the CSS is just bad | 19:40 |
| GeneralAntilles | This new design meshes with http://maemo.org/development/ etc | 19:41 |
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| Stskeeps | Macer: lo | 19:43 |
| Stskeeps | Macer: basically i got hit with a tad of customs fee, but it's not a problem :) | 19:43 |
| Stskeeps | i had mistaken the rules - marking it gift won't get it past | 19:43 |
| Stskeeps | if the value is above a certain amount | 19:45 |
| Stskeeps | but it's very low, like 76$ | 19:45 |
| Stskeeps | which is cheap compared if i had to find it again | 19:45 |
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| man_in_ltop | ok, got it flashed up to diablo :D | 19:46 |
| man_in_ltop | now i just need to reinstall all my stuff :P | 19:46 |
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| slonopotamus | ~ping | 19:52 |
| infobot | ~pong | 19:52 |
| man_in_ltop | so now it's on diablo, i shouldn't need to reflash it, right? | 19:52 |
| slonopotamus | hehe | 19:53 |
| slonopotamus | you just don't have newer os to reflash | 19:53 |
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| mgedmin | and since diablo has SSU, you shouldn't need to reflash it in the future either | 19:54 |
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| man_in_ltop | mgedmin, that is what i meant | 20:02 |
| man_in_ltop | so how exactly does ssu work? | 20:02 |
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| GeneralAntilles | man_in_ltop, it's just apt-get dist-upgrade basically. | 20:03 |
| GeneralAntilles | ~ssu | 20:03 |
| infobot | [ssu] http://wiki.maemo.org/SSU | 20:03 |
| man_in_ltop | ah | 20:03 |
| mgedmin | you go to the Application Installer and install 'OS2008 Feature Upgrade' there | 20:03 |
| mgedmin | then it reboots | 20:03 |
| GeneralAntilles | Except they update a system meta-package. | 20:03 |
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| GeneralAntilles | If somebody wants to figure out what bit of CSS is adding all that white space, this is ready to go: http://wiki.maemo.org/User:Generalantilles/Sandbox/Front_page | 20:06 |
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| mib_ubpiiw | arghhh for my sanity could someone please link me up with xchat for n810 (.deb please) | 20:11 |
| mib_ubpiiw | hi simon | 20:11 |
| qwerty12 | It's in extras | 20:11 |
| GeneralAntilles | ~extras | 20:11 |
| infobot | methinks extras is http://wiki.maemo.org/Extras | 20:11 |
| lardman | hi mib_ubpiiw | 20:11 |
| mib_ubpiiw | arrghh why isnt it listed? | 20:12 |
| man_in_ltop | it is | 20:12 |
| man_in_ltop | you have to enable "maemo extras" in the apps manager | 20:12 |
| mib_ubpiiw | i have other extras things | 20:12 |
| man_in_ltop | well, i'll check mine as soon as midori finishes installing | 20:12 |
| mib_ubpiiw | mmm no i just refreshed | 20:13 |
| mib_ubpiiw | liqbase is there so i know i already have extras | 20:13 |
| GeneralAntilles | http://www.google.com/search?ie=utf8&oe=utf8&q=site:repository.maemo.org+xchat | 20:13 |
| man_in_ltop | i just did a search for xchat | 20:14 |
| man_in_ltop | it's in my list | 20:14 |
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| man_in_ltop | this is on latest diablo, though it was also on chinook | 20:14 |
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| GeneralAntilles | Are you sure it's not installed? | 20:15 |
| GeneralAntilles | Are you browsing "All"? | 20:15 |
| GeneralAntilles | Maybe try apt-get install xchat | 20:16 |
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| bacon | which bright spark asked if it was already installed? | 20:20 |
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| bacon | cos whoever it is needs a beer | 20:20 |
| GeneralAntilles | ;) | 20:20 |
| lardman | mmm, beer | 20:20 |
| bacon | this is tracys machine lol (she might be watchin ok lcuk machine | 20:21 |
| man_in_ltop | it was GeneralAntilles | 20:21 |
| man_in_ltop | unless you're offering a good ginger beer, then it was me | 20:21 |
| bacon | oh, white wine then | 20:21 |
| man_in_ltop | red | 20:21 |
| man_in_ltop | lambrusco | 20:21 |
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| lcuk | she is watching god i cant even surf in peace when u not here | 20:21 |
| * bacon is on holiday | 20:21 | |
| bacon | tracy, right click my name and msg me | 20:22 |
| lcuk | huh how? | 20:22 |
| bacon | right click on bacon | 20:22 |
| * suihkulokki wants to fry bacon | 20:22 | |
| lardman | lcuk: type something like this: "~lart bacon" | 20:22 |
| man_in_ltop | gah, it's 3:30 | 20:22 |
| * lardman wonders if that counts as blasphemy | 20:23 | |
| GeneralAntilles | lol | 20:23 |
| bacon | yes | 20:23 |
| lardman | :p | 20:23 |
| bacon | lol | 20:24 |
| GeneralAntilles | Somebody figure out what's adding all that whitespace http://wiki.maemo.org/Main_Page | 20:24 |
| lardman | don't you just hate it when you once again realise a piece of code is slow, but don't have the time to fix it | 20:24 |
| man_in_ltop | GeneralAntilles, where in particular? | 20:25 |
| bacon | lardman, depends which bits | 20:25 |
| GeneralAntilles | man_in_ltop, between the content and the navbar on the right | 20:25 |
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| man_in_ltop | it's not meant to look like that? | 20:26 |
| GeneralAntilles | man_in_ltop, compare it to http://maemo.org/development/ | 20:26 |
| bacon | anyone know if i can do the following: hotel wifi from laptop and from n810, but then connext via ssh from laptop to 81p | 20:26 |
| man_in_ltop | that's a very different layout | 20:27 |
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| GeneralAntilles | man_in_ltop, um, not really. | 20:27 |
| GeneralAntilles | man_in_ltop, I think you've got a cached Main_Page | 20:27 |
| Jaffa | man_in_ltop: have you got your wiki skin set to monobookmaemo2009 | 20:27 |
| GeneralAntilles | or that | 20:27 |
| GeneralAntilles | Isn't it default now? | 20:27 |
| bacon | lcuk, tracy what are you doin with xchat on yours? | 20:27 |
| * GeneralAntilles is feeling the after-effect of CSS/XHTML toture. | 20:27 | |
| GeneralAntilles | bacon, messaging old boyfriends, duh. | 20:28 |
| Jaffa | GeneralAntilles: I don't know if X-Fade's changed anyone's settings though | 20:28 |
| man_in_ltop | i don't have a login for the wiki | 20:28 |
| GeneralAntilles | No, I guess it's not default yet. | 20:29 |
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| man_in_ltop | yay, vim | 20:30 |
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| bacon | lardman which code is to clow | 20:30 |
| bacon | slow | 20:30 |
| lardman | datacube polynomial fitting and differential generation | 20:30 |
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| lardman | fixable, but I always have something better to do, until I need to use it then I curse | 20:31 |
| bacon | oh that, yeah i left mine slow too | 20:31 |
| lardman | :D | 20:31 |
| bacon | is this a matlab prog | 20:31 |
| lardman | yeah | 20:31 |
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| lardman | everything is a MATLAB prog for me | 20:31 |
| lardman | at work at least | 20:32 |
| bacon | cos ppl in gsoc were talkin about runnin matlab on netbooks | 20:32 |
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| bacon | is matlab code for visual basic then | 20:32 |
| lardman | were they, why? | 20:32 |
| lardman | ah, I do occassionally have to do a little VB it is true | 20:32 |
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| bacon | about how matlab itself would run but you would hafve to be an ubergod to make anything nontrivial run | 20:33 |
| bacon | so best is just throw more metal at it | 20:33 |
| lardman | really, what spec are they talking? I've had Octave running on the N8x0 reasonably happily | 20:33 |
| bacon | run using screen or vnc from a mainframe and slowness goes away ,) | 20:34 |
| lardman | though MATLAB nowadays uses Java for the GUI, so there's an issue straight off | 20:34 |
| bacon | this was related to eee | 20:34 |
| lardman | I was thinking of buying a little intel palmtop sort of machine for running MATLAB when away at conferences | 20:34 |
| bacon | its good to see we arent the only ones who need to optimize | 20:34 |
| bacon | cool | 20:35 |
| bacon | dont let gan hear u say that tho lol | 20:35 |
| lardman | well needs must, need something that can edit PowerPoint too | 20:35 |
| bacon | im thinking about atarting an optimization document for devicesx | 20:36 |
| bacon | if i can ever get used to the wiki lol | 20:36 |
| tank-man | im not a mathmatition, but what does matlab do that octave/maxima doesnt? | 20:37 |
| tank-man | or its just syntax preference? | 20:37 |
| bacon | it puts mat in a lab | 20:37 |
| lardman | inertia I guess | 20:37 |
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| lardman | though I used to use Symulink a lot, which is MATLAB only | 20:38 |
| lardman | simulink even | 20:38 |
| GeneralAntilles | lardman, probably better off with a netbook price/performance/usability-wise for mobile math stuff. | 20:39 |
| lardman | how big are they? | 20:39 |
| lardman | I want something small and portable ideally | 20:39 |
| bacon | does xchat bing if i minimize it and someone shouts | 20:39 |
| lardman | doesn't matter if it's not fast, just as long as it gets the job done (re MATLAB stuff), for trying out ideas, etc | 20:40 |
| GeneralAntilles | About 4 N810s | 20:40 |
| GeneralAntilles | bacon, it'll flash the notification area. | 20:41 |
| GeneralAntilles | lardman, but you're going to be paying ~$600 for a MID versus about $200-$300 for a netbook. | 20:41 |
| GeneralAntilles | A netbook with twice the performance. | 20:41 |
| bacon | im goin over to the laptop its behind me chargin | 20:41 |
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| lardman | GeneralAntilles: work, not me | 20:41 |
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| bacon | get an sgi netbook, tiny and handheld (and the main processing cabinet is on wheels | 20:42 |
| lardman | oi! | 20:42 |
| bacon | Å | 20:43 |
| bacon | ?even | 20:43 |
| locutus | GeneralAntilles: MID? | 20:43 |
| * lardman gets confused by all the acronyms | 20:44 | |
| GeneralAntilles | locutus, Intel's definition. | 20:44 |
| GeneralAntilles | http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mobile_Internet_Device | 20:44 |
| locutus | oh | 20:44 |
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| lardman | GeneralAntilles: you've got a Dell mini right? | 20:45 |
| GeneralAntilles | lardman, yeah. | 20:45 |
| lardman | hmm, browsing randomly the HP 2133 mini-note looks a good size | 20:45 |
| lardman | no idea what's in it mind you :) | 20:45 |
| GeneralAntilles | lardman, the HP Mini 1000 is more expensive, but probably a better choice. | 20:45 |
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| GeneralAntilles | Than the Mini 9 that is. | 20:46 |
| GeneralAntilles | lardman, give it about 6 months, though. | 20:46 |
| GeneralAntilles | Wait for the new chipsets to hit. | 20:46 |
| GeneralAntilles | Since they're significantly less sucky than what's out now. | 20:46 |
| lardman | yeah | 20:47 |
| lardman | and deflation will kick in too ;) | 20:47 |
| bacon | in 6 months we should have omap3 in our hands | 20:47 |
| lardman | I hope it will be less than 6 months | 20:47 |
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| bacon | so do i | 20:48 |
| lardman | I guess I could port my main code to run under Octave, assuming the omap3 will be reasonably quick | 20:48 |
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| lardman | still the ppt issue though | 20:48 |
| mib_tltiel | #nick jackdoor | 20:49 |
| bacon | no linux ppt viewers? | 20:49 |
| GeneralAntilles | ^ yeah, really. | 20:49 |
| lardman | no editors that seem to work | 20:49 |
| GeneralAntilles | That's not an issue. | 20:49 |
| bacon | qole should have oo working nicely on omap | 20:49 |
| mib_tltiel | #nickname jack | 20:49 |
| lardman | didn't work for me at the summit last year | 20:49 |
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| lardman | I foolishly brought a ppt presentation | 20:49 |
| bacon | lol | 20:50 |
| bacon | i foolishly brought a craptop | 20:50 |
| jackdoor | Is it ok if I ask you guys for help with my n810 in this chat? | 20:51 |
| bacon | sure | 20:51 |
| Stskeeps | you can always try | 20:51 |
| jackdoor | thanks | 20:51 |
| bacon | we might not be able to help tho | 20:52 |
| bacon | hiya sts | 20:52 |
| Stskeeps | lo | 20:52 |
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| bacon | hows #liqbase doing without me lol | 20:52 |
| jackdoor | i am booting from the internal card but everytime my n810 boots a black and white menu comes up and i dontknow how to make it boot directly from the internal card | 20:53 |
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| jackdoor | just wondeing if theres a way to get rid of the menu so it boots straight into my internal card | 20:53 |
| qwerty12_N800 | ~boot-sd | 20:54 |
| infobot | i guess boot-sd is https://wiki.maemo.org/Booting_from_a_flash_card | 20:54 |
| qwerty12_N800 | ^there's a section there on how to do so | 20:55 |
| bacon | o/ qwerty | 20:55 |
| qwerty12_N800 | hey bacon :) | 20:55 |
| jackdoor | problem is i dont have a linux computer | 20:55 |
| qwerty12_N800 | (lol, that sounded odd :P) | 20:55 |
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| bacon | lol | 20:56 |
| * bacon sizzles on the griddle | 20:56 | |
| GeneralAntilles | You know, if lcuk weren't such a bacon poser I'm quite certain he'd of died of sodium poisoning. | 20:56 |
| bacon | lol | 20:56 |
| qwerty12_N800 | jackdoor: it's done from tablet, which if you actually read it, you'd know | 20:56 |
| * lcuk is sick of bacon | 20:56 | |
| bacon | tracy | 20:57 |
| bacon | do i eat as much bacon as they think | 20:57 |
| lcuk | yes u do | 20:57 |
| jackdoor | i did ant it said in linux or os x so i assumed it meant a computer | 20:57 |
| lardman | right, I'm heading for home, see you chaps tomorrow | 20:58 |
| bacon | lololoo | 20:58 |
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| bacon | i dont eat much | 20:58 |
| bacon | gnite simon | 20:58 |
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| jackdoor | so i can run that code from my tablet right? | 20:59 |
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| z4chh | im ordered my n810 :) | 21:05 |
| z4chh | i* | 21:05 |
| fred23 | Hi! I'm with Mozilla, working on Fennec (Firefox mobile) and I've hit something in the sapwood theme engine that's slowing down are startup... is any theme-expert online ? | 21:05 |
| Stskeeps | 'herzi' does sapwood, you can probably prod him | 21:06 |
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| fred23 | nice | 21:06 |
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| fred23 | he's not online at the moment.. does he hang out on a different channel ? | 21:06 |
| Stskeeps | nah, just afk atm | 21:07 |
| Stskeeps | catch him earlier | 21:07 |
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| fred23 | Stskeeps: np, thanx | 21:08 |
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| Stskeeps | GeneralAntilles: intentional wiki looks .. lame? :P | 21:39 |
| Stskeeps | as in, wiki main page | 21:39 |
| GeneralAntilles | Stskeeps, switch to MonoBookMaemo2009 | 21:40 |
| Stskeeps | k | 21:41 |
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| GeneralAntilles | Stskeeps, I pulled the trigger too early, but I'm too lazy to revert | 21:42 |
| GeneralAntilles | It looks lame, but at least it doesn't look broken. | 21:42 |
| florian | re | 21:43 |
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| GeneralAntilles | ~rx-51 | 22:35 |
| infobot | hmm... rx-51 is http://maemo.org/community/council/community_highlights_for_december_2008-part_i-january_2009-part_ii/ http://www.linuxdevices.com/news/NS9093153240.html | 22:35 |
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