IRC log of #maemo for Thursday, 2009-04-23

GeneralAntillesFiling a bug00:00
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Guest1273_449#nick labaudio00:17
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labaudiohello all00:18
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plastunhow can i change width of GtkVScrollbar? I see it in standard multimedia player01:19
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wazdplastun: wide scrollbar is another widget as I remember01:25
plastunhw... i dont know about it01:25
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wazdhm, can't find it in the reference01:31
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Woollyhas anyone compiled opencv for maemo?02:01
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Woollyhas anyone compiled opencv for maemo before?02:09
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Proteoushas anyone compiled opencv for maemo yet?02:14
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Proteousit was tough, but after hours if intensive research I have found you and answer!!!02:16
infobotProteous meant: it was tough, but after hours if intensive research I have found you an answer!!!02:16
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Woollyif i'm in scratchbox, and i run say, apt-get install automake-1.9, how do i get reconf to use automake-1.9, instead of 1.8.5?02:53
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luke-jrKDE 4.2 is not very snappy when I am compiling in background :<03:45
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lopzgood n.04:16
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z4chhthis is awesome price04:51
zakkmripoff :D04:52
z4chhzakkm, ?04:52
luke-jrzakkm: sarcasm04:52
zakkmits cause the next one is coming out04:52
z4chhi don't care04:52
luke-jrzakkm: ripoff cuz the next one is coming out?04:53
zakkmthats a ripoff?04:53
luke-jrI got mine for under $20004:53
z4chhzakkm, do you have an n810?04:53
z4chhluke-jr, used?04:53
zakkmhave n800, paid $117 usd  in person04:54
z4chhi have an n800 also04:54
z4chhim doing development this summer though..i can use both models04:55
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fuzzyCan maemo support block disk encryption?06:03
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kozakHi am trying to install maemo on Core2Dou with Ubuntu 8.10 but have a problem installing  scratchbox. Can someone tell me if there is a work around?09:32
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johnxonly if you can say what the error is :)09:33
kozakThis is what it says ! "Currently Scratcbox can only run in 32 bit i386 architecture."09:33
johnxah, you're running ubuntu x86_64?09:34
johnxI thought someone had notes on how to force it to install, but I'm not sure where they are09:34
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kozakyeah I do see in the .sh that there is a -F option09:35
kozakwill try that09:35
kozakOk -F works ... I guess09:35
kozakit has started downloading....09:36
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inzThere are also scratchbox x86_64 debs09:36
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MacerStskeeps: get it?10:41
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JaffaMorning, all10:51
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Macer239 for an n810 from tigerdirect new11:10
Macerthat's not bad at all11:10
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RST38hIt is coming closer to the next tablet release...11:17
`0660i guess everyone is now waiting for the next tablet release11:18
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RST38hMost "normal" consumer just bought themselves EEEs I suppose11:20
`0660they don't know what they miss :)11:20
RST38hThey are missing Modest and MicroB, for sure...11:21
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RST38hmoo wazd11:27
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RST38h...any attempted access to addresses on this list is blocked, logged (the draft seems to contradict press reports on this point) and redirected to a government page featuring a large stop sign...11:41
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Guest5437_331dpkg-buildpackage: failure: fakeroot debian/rules clean gave error exit status 12612:13
Guest5437_331any clue?12:13
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RST38hGuest: What is debian/rules?12:22
RST38hIs it an executable file?12:23
Guest5437_331yes is a script for make a deb12:24
Guest5437_331#!/usr/bin/make -f12:24
RST38hAnd why are you running make with root privileges?12:25
Guest5437_331is not good?12:26
RST38hOh dpkg-buildpackage does it...12:26
RST38hwell, either way, you should open debian/rules in an editor, find the label "clean:" and look for errors there.12:26
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Guest5437_331clean: dh_testdir dh_testroot rm -f build-stamp  rm -f install-stamp rm -f debian/files12:27
RST38hNo, no, I am not going to look for errors, you look for errors, ok?12:28
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GeneralAntillesdneary, ping?13:23
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lardmanmorning chaps13:35
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lardmanGeneralAntilles: looks like you scared him off13:35
GeneralAntillesI was going to talk to tekojo, too.13:35
GeneralAntillesMaybe X-Fade is awake?13:36
X-Fade /leave Lunch! :)13:36
GeneralAntillesYou don't get to eat. I still have things to complain about!13:36
GeneralAntillesEnjoy your lunch. :)13:37
lardmanyeah, with the thought that Ryan is going to give you an earful when you've finished! ;)13:37
X-FadeGeneralAntilles: There is always the backscroll ;)13:37
GeneralAntillesI'll just talk to lardman since everybody else here sucks.13:38
GeneralAntilleslardman, how's life?13:38
lardmanvery very busy, you?13:38
GeneralAntillesAt the moment, but finals will be done soon.13:38
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lardmanI've got a review meeting next week, then wedding a month later, so still very busy13:39
lardmanstag do this weekend, not ideal timing13:42
lardmanno-one to blame but myself though :)13:42
lardmanAre your finals the real deal, end of course?13:43
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GeneralAntillesYeah, for this semester.13:43
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lardmanhow much longer do you have then? What year are you in?13:44
GeneralAntillesJunior year13:44
GeneralAntillesprobably another year and a half13:44
lardmanhmm, /me doesn't know American terminology, sophomores and things13:45
lardmansounds like a jellyfish ;)13:45
GeneralAntilles3rd year.13:45
lardmanWhat do you get, a Master's?13:45
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GeneralAntillesA councilor screwed me over by telling me to take an incorrect math class early on13:46
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GeneralAntillesthen I screwed myself over by missing a final exam (Tuesday/Thursday thing) so I'm a little behind. ;)13:47
lardmanOk, so you've repeated a year? Or is the system different over there, you have to do a certain number of courses over however long?13:47
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GeneralAntillesNo, you have a certain number of credits you need to get to and a certain set of courses you need to complete and you just keep taking courses until you get there.13:48
lardmanah ok, that's quite a good system13:49
GeneralAntillesBut as the rest of the CompSci track is highly math-dependent it set me back a bit.13:49
GeneralAntillesNice and fairly flexible.13:49
GeneralAntillesAlthough it does give you a bit of rope to hang yourself with if you go too far off in left field in what you're taking.13:49
lardmanpart of the learning experience hey? ;)13:50
GeneralAntillesMost definitely.13:50
* GeneralAntilles sighs.13:50
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GeneralAntillesA 1.8GHz G5 just doesn't cut it these days.13:51
GeneralAntillesSingle CPU13:51
GeneralAntillesI wish I had an 8-core.13:52
lardmanhow many cores in your single cpu though?13:52
GeneralAntillesAlthough I may get lucky when I take my 2x2.5GHz into the shop.13:52
* lardman needs a new work PC, his P4 3GHz singlehandedly heats the office running all the time13:53
GeneralAntillesThat's a nice feature during the winter.13:53
lardmanno way, I live in a glass room with no heating control, it's always too hot13:53
lardmanin fact we often run the aircon during the winter to bring the temp down13:53
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GeneralAntillesAn Android netbook sounds like the silliest thing ever.13:58
glassis g1 still the only android thing really out?13:59
GeneralAntillesI guess there's the G2 just out.13:59
glassoh, it's hit the streets?13:59
GeneralAntillesI think so, but I haven't been paying very close attention.14:00
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Woolly-workmorning, has anyone compiled opencv for maemo with python support?14:18
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GeneralAntillesbergie, ping?14:26
GeneralAntillesbergie, do you happen to have a bug open for the Midgard toolbar not expanding when the font size increases?14:26
bergieI don't, but please post14:27
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GeneralAntillesbergie, can I post a new ticket on
bergieyes, please do14:28
bergiethese are best handled in the upstream tracker :-)14:28
GeneralAntillesbergie, OK, wrong question, how do I register for an account to do that? :P14:28
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GeneralAntillesAh, OK.14:29
GeneralAntillesbergie, you are also aware that dragging is broken on it, right?14:29
bergiein Safari, right?14:29
GeneralAntillesWebKit, yes.14:30
bergieyep, that is a known issue14:31
GeneralAntillesOK, it's just sort of floating uselessly right in the middle of things I'm trying to look at, so. ;)14:31
RST38hCan this bug be restated as "get rid of the floating toolbar"? =)14:32
GeneralAntillesbergie, it also selects text as I drag it in FF 314:32
RST38hMaybe replace it with a thin menu bar at the top of the page?14:32
GeneralAntillesI'd go for that, but that's a lot of functionality to stuff into a menu bar.14:32
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bergieRST38h: there is a thin menu bar option, actually14:32
bergieRST38h: we could try and see how that'd look on maemo.org14:33
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RST38hbergie: Any way to enable it? The floating thing bugs me, literally14:33
bergieRST38h: at the moment this is a site-wide thing, "palette" or "menu"14:33
GeneralAntillesbergie, doest trac take time to sync accounts or something?14:35
infobotGeneralAntilles meant: bergie, does trac take time to sync accounts or something?14:36
bergieyeah, I think there is some 15min delay14:36
bergieit is quite similar setup to the current garage -> sync14:36
bergie...which we can hopefully replace with LDAP over summer :-)14:37
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RST38hbergie: but if I understand things correctly, the top-of-the-page menu can also be a site wide thing?14:38
bergiewe could test it on internal and then decide which way we want to use it14:39
bergie*or* make it user-configurable14:39
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GeneralAntillesuser-configurable would be good14:39
GeneralAntillesDo you have a screenshot, though?14:39
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bergieGeneralAntilles: not ATM but I can take one on internal when I get to the office14:41
GeneralAntillesbergie, that'd be excellent. Hard to make a decision when you don't know what one of your options looks like. ;)14:42
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bergieok, if I don't send a screenshot in about one hour, remind me :-)14:43
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GeneralAntillesOccasionally getting "Fatal error: Call to a member function get_array() on a non-object in /mnt/netapp/pear/midcom/lib/midcom/helper/_styleloader.php(637) : eval()'d code on line 4" when I tried to edit pages.14:53
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Maceri hate wmv14:55
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Woolly-workhas anyone managed to compile opencv in scratchbox?14:56
Macerhm. is the new maemo up and running? :)14:56
GeneralAntillesHmm, we're getting some badly styled links here and there. . . .14:56
GeneralAntillesHirvinen, ping?14:56
Macerwhat's so "new" about it?14:57
GeneralAntillesEr, you didn't capitalize the m, so I assumed ;)14:57
JaffaThe total different style?14:57
GeneralAntillesNo, nothing new with Maemo 5.14:57
Macerthat is what i am talking abou tit14:58
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Macerit doesn't look very "new"14:58
GeneralAntillesWell, as Jaffa says, the new style.14:58
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Macerit's orange14:58
GeneralAntillesOK, here's a game for everybody. Tell me how many links are in the two paragraphs on this page:
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Macer8 in wiki14:59
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Macer8 in talk15:00
GeneralAntillesMacer, the RSS feeds are not paragraphs. :P15:00
Macerin the 2 paragraphs15:01
Macerbut you can't see them until you move your mouse over it15:01
GeneralAntilles4, actually.15:01
GeneralAntillesBut, yes.15:01
Maceroh.. yeah.. there are 4 :)15:01
GeneralAntillesNot sure why they're styled differently from the rest of the links on the site.15:02
GeneralAntillesAnother one, guess which <h3> you can click!
Macerheh.. sorry. going to eat ;)15:02
Maceri just got home15:03
* GeneralAntilles pokes X-Fade.15:03
X-FadeDon't look at me.15:03
* GeneralAntilles covers his eyes and waves a stick around in the air in X-Fade's general direction.15:04
Maceri want to see how well this pch can play a damn wmv15:04
Maceri hope it doesn't suck15:04
Maceri hate people that use wmv to encode.. i wish they would all just die15:04
GeneralAntillesWorse is Real Video, though.15:04
* X-Fade promised to work on wiki styling today.15:04
X-FadeSo that is what I'm doing.15:04
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GeneralAntillesOr that one codec that's competing with h.264, but is Windows-only.15:05
GeneralAntillesX-Fade, blah blah blah15:05
GeneralAntillesX-Fade, is Hirvinen the one I can poke then? :P15:05
X-FadeGeneralAntilles: Why would you poke him?15:05
GeneralAntillesWho's working on general website bugs today?15:05
X-FadeGeneralAntilles: Bugzilla.15:06
Macerhard encoded subs too.. ugh15:06
* GeneralAntilles pouts and files some more.15:06
Macerlooks like i'll be deleting 3 episodes of this eleventh hour crap15:06
X-FadeGeneralAntilles: But the links issue is in there already.15:06
GeneralAntillesMacer, I'm usually OK with those as long as it's not in English.15:06
Macerdraws your eyes to it and forces you to read it when it's english right? :)15:06
Maceri have that same problem15:06
GeneralAntillesHaving an English movie with hardcodded English subs is infuriating though15:06
JaffaI'd rather stuff used RealVideo than anything else - then I can watch it on my tablet15:07
Macerit's like closed caption television :)15:07
GeneralAntillesJaffa, I can watch DivX on my table.15:07
infobotGeneralAntilles meant: Jaffa, I can watch DivX on my tablet.15:07
* GeneralAntilles only wishes he had one of those awesome multitouch tables.15:07
Macerhigher res video on the tablet sucks15:07
Macereven stuff that is normal standard def15:08
GeneralAntillesI usually prefer hardcoded subs when I'm going to need them since the subtitle renders in all of the video playback software I use absolutely suck ass.15:08
Maceri always wound up encoding it as mp4 with an ipod profile to get them to play correctly without stuttering at all15:08
GeneralAntillesI don't get why it's impossible to render subtitles at native resolution instead of video resolution.15:08
GeneralAntillesApple's DVD player can do it.15:08
JaffaGeneralAntilles: Not many websites put streaming DivX up15:09
Macerbecause it is a cruel cruel world :)15:09
Maceryeah. most use flash15:09
GeneralAntillesJaffa, who's talking about streaming?15:09
JaffaGeneralAntilles: You know how DVD subtitles work?15:09
MacerGeneralAntilles: some players just suck15:09
Macerpch works really well for subs with mkv15:09
GeneralAntillesJaffa, magic?15:09
JaffaGeneralAntilles: 1-bit bitmaps :)15:10
Macerthey don't look bad at all. i think the pch itself handles the rendering .. who knows :)15:10
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Macerah well.. bbl15:10
GeneralAntillesJaffa, yeah, but what about .srt and VLC?15:10
GeneralAntillesThat should just be able to use nice text rendering, but that seems like it's impossible.15:10
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GeneralAntillesAnybody else having trouble with comments?15:17
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andre__hmm. i dislike missing bugmail. grumble.15:28
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KhertanHello !15:31
GeneralAntillesIs anybody working on the bugzilla templates yet?15:31
GeneralAntilles'morning, Khertan.15:31
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Khertan'morning GeneralAntilles15:35
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lardman~lart Windows for being really crap when not rebooted15:41
* infobot plops Windows into a giant vat of herring for being really crap when not rebooted15:41
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Khertan~lart lardman for using windows15:42
* infobot eats lardman and falls over dead for using windows15:42
lardman~lart lardman's work for only having Windows based software15:42
* infobot judo chops lardman's work for only having Windows based software15:42
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andre__GeneralAntilles, not me16:07
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Woolly-workhas anyone compiled opencv for maemo?16:38
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* man_in_ltop waves16:54
man_in_ltopso i got myself a nokia n810 :)16:55
man_in_ltopjust downloading diablo for it16:55
mgedmindoesn't it come with diablo?16:57
mgedminmaybe not with the latest latest version16:57
man_in_ltopapparently not16:57
GeneralAntillesmgedmin, no.16:57
GeneralAntillesNokia's been a little laggard in updating the manufactured units.16:58
man_in_ltopyeah, 2.2 or something16:58
mgedminwait... chinook is os2007, diablo is os2008, right?16:58
mgedminwasn't os2008 released at the same time as n810?16:58
man_in_ltoplooks like it16:58
GeneralAntillesmgedmin, Bora, Chinook, Diablo.16:58
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man_in_ltopeither way, this thing doesn't have diablo :D16:59
* mgedmin no longer knows which is which16:59
GeneralAntillesBora was OS200717:00
GeneralAntillesChinook was OS2008.0, Diablo was OS2008.117:00
parazitusman_in_ltop: just out of curiosity, how much it costed?17:00
man_in_ltopso, i don't suppose anyone knows a way to get WPA-EAP-TTLS/PAP support? :)17:00
parazituswow, too much..17:00
locutusi paid 0 EUR for mine :)17:01
man_in_ltoptoo much for something that doesn't have the EAP inner auth i need :(17:01
Khertanman_in_ltop: lol17:02
man_in_ltopi'm not kidding17:02
Khertanbut you are making me laught ...17:02
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man_in_ltopi got it so i could check my email/discussion boards at uni without lugging around a 2.5 kg laptop ;)17:02
mgedminwhat's this EAP thingy used for?  ultra-secure corporate/university networks?17:02
mgedminuniversity, knew it17:02
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Woolly-workIn my scratchbox installation, if I upgrade automake, why doesn't it replace the /scratchbox/tools/bin/automake binary with the version that i've just installed?17:02
man_in_ltopand uni has like the ONE eap inner auth that's not supported17:03
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mgedminWoolly-work: that's just how scratchbox works17:03
man_in_ltopmgedmin, yeah17:03
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Woolly-workmgedmin: damn :(17:03
Woolly-workI'm trying to run autoconf, but it's saying my version is 1.8.5, not 1.9, but 1.9 is installed as automake-1.917:04
mgedminit seems like a rather common complaint17:04
mgedminbut I don't remember anyone saying they found a solution17:04
GeneralAntillesSomebody put together a plugin, I think.17:04
GeneralAntillesBut I don't pay any attention when silly WiFi auth discussions come up.17:04
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Woolly-workwoops :D17:06
Khertancommands woops :D not found17:07
Woolly-workdamn :(17:07
mgedminKhertan: that was the output of ls, not another command17:07
Khertancommand damn :( not found17:07
man_in_ltopyou're not doing it right17:07
Khertanmgedmin: man page not found17:07
man_in_ltopspace delimits arguments17:07
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Khertan[<c0102fa1>] process_timeout+0x0/0x917:09
KhertanKernel panic - not syncing: Brain with Memory, killing interrupt handler17:09
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GeneralAntillesmurrayc, I take it you made that mistake? :P17:12
murraycGeneralAntilles: What mistake?17:12
GeneralAntillesmurrayc, of thinking the final countdown was for the beta SDK. ;)17:12
murraycNo, someone else did. I know better.17:13
Khertanyep ... i think too this was the final countdown to freemantle17:13
GeneralAntillesAnyway, it clearly says, and talks about website-related things.17:13
Khertanor what is it s name :)17:13
GeneralAntillesNot sure how it could be more clear.17:13
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KhertanGeneralAntilles: maybe but i got a excuse ...17:14
murraycGeneralAntilles: " website" is clearer but feel free to blame the readers instead.17:14
GeneralAntillesmurrayc, done. :)17:14
Khertanseeing black text on black background didn't help ...17:14
Khertanwith too much sun in the train trying to fix the blueman-manager error under mer :)17:15
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GeneralAntillesI really want the hearts/thumbs back.17:17
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GeneralAntillesIt's much harder to talk about two thumbs.17:17
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Khertanhum ...17:18
Khertannot sure17:18
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Woolly-workhas anyone compiled opencv for maemo successfully?17:30
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Woolly-worki installed python2.5-sdk in maemo and can't find it :(17:32
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Woolly-workhas anyone managed to successfully compile opencv for maemo?17:44
andre__what does "can't find it" exactly mean?17:44
man_in_ltopyay for jabber client with my new maemo-based toy :P17:44
man_in_ltopmeans he doesn't have a potion of see invisible :P17:45
man_in_ltopwait, this isn't #nethack ;)17:45
Woolly-workandre__: python2.5 wasn't in /usr/bin, fixed now with a re-install17:45
Robot101so, like, why does the GSoC project to add IM to canola not use telepathy? :(17:45
andre__Robot101, i also wondered about that17:46
etrunkoRobot101: we were talking about it yesterday in #canola17:46
etrunkome and andrunko were trying to convince the guys to do so17:46
etrunkoRobot101: you could help us there ;)17:47
andre__what do they want to try? libpurple instead?17:47
wjtandre__: the carman people wrapped libpurple in python rather than using telepathy17:47
wjtandre__: the canola SoC person wants to use pypurple or whatever17:47
bergiewhy not telepathy?17:48
bergiethen it would use maemo's default IM connections automatically17:48
etrunkowjt: yeah, don't know why they didn't try telepathy17:48
wazd_Wrong question17:48
wazd_IM in Canola?)17:48
wjtwazd_: well that's a whole other thing17:48
Robot101etrunko: why do you need more reason than "its the built in device IM stack"? :)17:48
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wjtwazd_: "hey, i want IM and my todo list in a media player!!!"17:49
Robot101wazd: I don't really opine on whether it's a good idea, but using libpurple is rarely a good idea :)17:49
wazdwjt: I want it to make coffee :D17:49
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andre__kitchen sinks.17:49
Robot101it doesn't do what you expect, at all. but if you do want IM in your media player, it shouldn't sign on totally separately to the rest of your device17:49
wjtI *really* need to write Intravenous (again) so that we can honestly say Telepathy makes coffee17:49
Robot101that's an absolute certainty17:49
bergieyeah, seems people want *both* canola and liqbase to do *everything*17:49
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VudentzRobot101, etrunko, it requires to much hack, especially to calls since there are other components which take over, so canola has to guess (register the dbus name before) what is happening.17:49
Robot101it should just let you pop up quick notifications or have a little conversation within the player17:50
Robot101Vudentz: yeah, because integrating libpurple will make calls work soooo much better...17:50
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Robot101honestly, why would you ever want to configure your IM accounts inside a media player? :)17:51
X-FadeRobot101: Because you can? :)17:52
Robot101use them briefly, yes, or know when some events happen, but the device-wide accounts and connections are the only things worth interacting with17:52
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Robot101like having some notifications when people sign on or message you, maybe a quick reply17:52
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VudentzRobot101, you mean use mission-control?17:53
Robot101(I admit the architecture in Diablo isn't ideally suited to this, but the new MC spec and stuff in Fremantle makes life a lot better)17:53
Robot101((I still don't think it's going to be like totally insoluble in Diablo though, just maybe not quite so pretty))17:53
lfelipeRobot101: IM inside canola can be used for lots of different things17:54
lfelipenot only chatting17:54
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Robot101for the new MC spec we've considered use-cases like notifying messages or accepting calls from within a full-screen media player17:54
VudentzRobot101, yeah, I would say that the older versions it would be a lot of pain to deal with, especially the stream-engine17:54
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lfelipetrading media with other canola users on the same network (bonjour), etc.17:54
etrunkoRobot101: any chance to see that working on diablo then?17:54
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wjtlfelipe: telepathy-salut does file transfers17:54
wjtlfelipe: and tubes17:54
lfelipewjt: I know, I know17:55
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lfelipethe student and his mentor are already taking a look at telepathy17:55
Robot101lfelipe: telepathy supports file transfers (bonjour and XMPP) and collaborative stuff... better than libpurple does, if you want to stream files around and stuff17:55
etrunkowjt: yeah, internet is a bunch of tubes after all :P17:55
lfelipebut no one mentioned it before17:55
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wjtlfelipe: *really*?17:55
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wjtlike, no-one thought to consider the target platform's IM stack? :)17:55
Robot101etrunko: I think putting new MC on Diablo would mean the built-in stuff would all die17:55
Robot101etrunko: but for Mer that's hardly a problem, you can drop Empathy on there17:56
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Robot101and then it will work in Mer and in Fremantle17:56
Robot101and on the GNOME/KDE desktop17:56
lfelipewjt: not in comments that I recall17:56
X-FadeRobot101: Well, we could put it in a community update for diablo.17:56
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Robot101and generally in the flying car future17:56
lfelipeI honestly don't care which one it uses, as long as it gets done17:56
Robot101X-Fade: you'd have to gut the Contacts TN plugin and Presence SB plugin I guess, and replace them with some open alternative17:57
etrunkolfelipe: indeed. the big thing is to define the scope of the project17:57
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lfelipeI'm not that familiar with telepathy, so if I'd to decide on something I'd also choose libpurple17:57
man_in_pdaso is there no solution or workaround to wpa-eap/pap?17:57
lfelipeit's been there for quite some time, stable, well know, etc.17:57
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Robot101X-Fade: in Diablo, the RTCom framework built on top of Telepathy isn't very loosely coupled, so if you start turning stuff off you pretty much lose it all17:57
wjtlfelipe: as someone familiar with both telepathy and libpurple...17:57
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Robot101X-Fade: it's way better in Fremantle17:57
wjtlfelipe: the latter is worlds of pain compared to the former17:57
lfelipebut as I said, it's up to the student and the mentor to decide, and I'm sure that they will do a really nice job on it17:57
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lfelipeantognolli: *cough* *cough*17:58
Robot101X-Fade: given Telepathy actually came up with nice specs for separating those things nicely now17:58
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Robot101(if I could step back in time and give myself a message 3 years ago, it would've been to write that first :D)17:58
X-FadeRobot101: Lol ;)17:59
man_in_ltopis there a timeframe on when freemantle will be released?17:59
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X-Fademan_in_ltop: When it is ready? :)17:59
man_in_ltopi read that freemantle MIGHT have wpa-eap/pap support17:59
man_in_ltopwhich would be superawesomecool for me17:59
man_in_ltopcos then i could use the damn thing at uni :D18:00
antognollilfelipe, Robot101: yeah, we are already looking at them both18:00
X-Fademan_in_ltop: you can even now?18:00
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man_in_ltopwhy does everyone keep assuming that MSChapV2 == PAP?18:02
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Woolly-workI've installed the assorted libcv packages for opencv, but I cant figure out how to add in the Python wrappers18:03
Woolly-workany ideas?18:04
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X-Fademan_in_ltop: The open source driver should be able to support it in combination with wpa_supplicant?18:05
luke-jrI'm wondering why there's no combination wpa_supplicant + kismet ;)18:05
GeneralAntillesX-Fade, could we give the autobuilder a list of restricted packages?18:06
zshi anyone knows what's the name of application which shows cpu usage, can make screenshot?18:07
X-FadeGeneralAntilles: Buildme could probably check before submitting to the builders. (If we add that ;)18:07
man_in_ltopX-Fade, where to get?18:07
qwerty12zs: load-applet18:07
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Robot101antognolli: we're happy to help advise on telepathy use if you need18:09
zsqwerty12, thanks18:09
X-Fademan_in_ltop: Search for cx3110x, that will probably give you enough info.18:09
antognolliRobot101: thanks, we'll ask for it if needed18:10
man_in_ltopyou sure cx3110x is for nokia n810?18:12
qwerty12man_in_ltop: if you run lsmod on your N810, you'll most likely find it loaded ;)18:13
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man_in_ltopqwerty12, indeed18:15
man_in_ltop << google shows me this though18:16
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qwerty12stlc45xx is its fully open source replacement, for newer kernels and it's gonna be used in the next device AFAIK. But it won't compile against 2.6.2118:18
GeneralAntillesqwerty12, next device?18:20
GeneralAntillesThe next device is a TI chipset.18:20
man_in_ltopdoes diablo update change the kernel?18:20
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qwerty12GeneralAntilles: Ah, then what is the point of Nokia developing the driver? (Sorry, but I really don't see it being done out of the goodness of  their heart for N8x0...)18:21
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GeneralAntillesOut of the goodness of their hearts for the N8x0.18:21
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X-FadeDevelopment is here:
X-FadeAlthough we might want to ask Kalle to move to ;)18:22
qwerty12Let me know when they actually get a fully working kernel on the N8x0 first ;)18:23
qwerty12Well, I guess, at least N810 still has sound support18:23
* man_in_ltop wants there to be an easy way to set all this up18:26
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lardmanhas there been a Diablo update?18:30
lardmansince the last one that is?18:30
luke-jrqwerty12: I don't have sound workign eet18:30
qwerty12This in Maemo, or Gentoo?18:30
luke-jrGentoo ☺18:30
GeneralAntilleslardman, not yet.18:31
GeneralAntilleslardman, but read up on -developers18:31
lardmanI read some talk about how to push one, was just wondering if there was a newer kernel scudding about18:31
lardmanluke-jr: what kernel are you using?18:32
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man_in_ltopso now i have wirelesstools installed18:35
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GeneralAntillesbergie, ping?18:36
rm_youX-Fade: maemo has a git repo? :P18:38
rm_youstlc45xx has ONE active developer AFAICT >_>18:39
man_in_ltopyay for openssh-client18:39
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Woolly-workis there a guide for building your own binary image?18:42
Woolly-workI'd like to create one with all the packages that I need for development already added, so I dont need to follow a long list of instructions!18:43
rm_youWoolly-work: just make a really nice install that has everything you want, but do it with RootOnSD, and then make an image of the SD card18:44
rm_youif something breaks or you want to distribute it, just image an SD card with it18:44
rm_youthat's the easiest way AFAIK18:44
rm_youif you develop on the tablet, you really want RootOnSD anyway <_<18:45
Woolly-workrm_you: thanks :) why?18:45
rm_you1) way more space18:45
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Woolly-workhow large a card do I need? as I have 5 tablets and might not be able to afford 5 huge ones :P18:46
rm_you2) if you break something and brick your system, boot to the flash memory with a stock image installed, chroot into the SD card, and fix the problem, instead of having to reflash18:46
rm_youWoolly-work: probably a 4g card would do and those are CHEAP18:46
rm_youeven 2g18:46
Woolly-workawesome :)18:46
rm_youhell even 1g18:46
rm_youi'd recommend 2-4g18:46
Woolly-workso a 4G card would work?18:47
rm_youthere's a nice wiki page on it18:47
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rm_you4g is PLEEEENTY18:47
rm_youfor like, everything you could possibly want. plus some coding music.18:47
Woolly-workawesome, do you have a link to that wiki?18:47
rm_youthanks qwerty12 :P18:47
Woolly-workthanks guys :)18:47
lardmanlol, just don't try an on-device OE build of anything18:48
rm_youyeah it's a bit slow18:48
lardmanI was thinking more about space18:48
rm_youi assume you're doing development of your own app, either python or C or something small? :P18:48
qwerty12lardman: I'm compiling aptitude, watchdog has kicked in plenty...18:48
rm_youlol well yeah18:48
Woolly-workPython yup :)18:48
rm_youon a 4g card you could probably get away with compiling anything, honestly18:48
luke-jrlardman: Diablo's kernel18:48
lardmanqwerty12: really, I'd have thought the watchdog kicker would be resident in memory or something18:48
rm_youdisable watchdog >_>18:49
lardmanluke-jr: ok, so not audio coded driver then18:49
rm_youat least while developing, IMO18:49
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qwerty12rm_you: heh, opened the Makefile and added "--param ggc-min-expand=0 --param ggc-min-heapsize=16384" from a post fanoush wrote. It'll go a lot slower now, but at least I can still use the device :)18:50
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rm_youlardman: hows it going BTW? I kinda disappeared after the summit last fall and havent been on a whole lot since i reappeared in december... haven't been in the loop for a while :P18:50
rm_youqwerty12: heh18:50
lardmanrm_you: I'm a bit out of the loop atm too, lots of day-job work + wedding coming up18:50
rm_youlardman: yours? :P18:50
rm_youcongratulations :)18:51
rm_youI guess we understand each other then :)18:51
lardmanyeah, frustrating isn't it!18:51
rm_youwomen tend to take away the time that used to be spent on maemo >_>18:51
rm_youworth it though, i suppose :P18:51
lardmanlol, not so much that, more the stuff to be organised, etc., every evening18:51
rm_youah, yeah18:52
rm_youwell, there is the underlying cause :)18:52
lardmanplus being too tired to code18:52
rm_youI feel you there >_>18:52
lardmanspeaking of tired, time to get brain food18:52
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rm_youonce this semester is over, not only will I not have a shitton of work to do, but my GF is going to be away for a while18:53
rm_youso i'll be up for a lot of coding :)18:53
rm_youfinally get that open control panel done for ABL... *grumble*18:53
rm_youah right i have to apply your patches still, qwerty18:53
rm_youmy scratchbox is down :(18:53
rm_youand i was using johnx' but he is switching to fulltime Mer so no more scratchbox on his machine >_<18:54
qwerty12rm_you: heh, did you manage to grab them? I removed everything form maemobox because it's shutting down :)18:54
rm_youmy server is in too delicate a state currently to try to fix it18:54
rm_youqwerty12: no! i don't have them yet! >_>18:54
rm_youi just saved the link18:54
rm_youso i guess i can delete it from my bookmarks then >_>18:55
qwerty12Lol, I've got them here, I'll pastebin :)18:55
rm_youwhy is maemobox going down?18:55
rm_youthey need hosting support?18:55
rm_youI could set them up18:55
rm_youI have ridiculously unused hosting18:55
rm_youwhy haven't i been around18:56
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rm_youi could set him up right now!18:56
rm_youif he gets on, tell him to like, CALL ME, or something18:56
Woolly-workrm_you: I'm just reading over this booting from SD card guide, and if I read this correctly, I want to get the firmware image on the tablet to the point where I'm happy with transferring it to the SD card, then copy the image over?18:56
rm_youWoolly-work: that is ONE thought18:56
rm_youwhat i usually do is just copy the base image18:56
rm_youcause i want the flash install to be clean18:57
Woolly-worki see18:57
rm_youand i do all the customization once i boot to the SD18:57
qwerty12rm_you: and
rm_youqwerty12: lol k i will try to save them now... i am not on a good machine for this18:57
Woolly-workif i have an SD card with a diablo image on it, can i put that into another N810 and boot from that straight off the bat?18:57
Woolly-workor is there anything I need to do on the N810 side18:57
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qwerty12flasher-3.0 --set-root-device :>18:58
rm_youthe device itself has to have the bootloader flashed18:58
rm_youbut then yes18:58
rm_youso basically, if you flash the bootloader on all of the devices18:58
rm_youand then clone one fully working environment from the one SD card to four others, you can have all 5 devices booting instantly :)18:59
Woolly-workawesome, that's what I need18:59
rm_youI don't think there's anything you need to worry about, IIRC18:59
Woolly-workand the bootloader you are talking about is the bootmenu from fanoush?18:59
rm_youthat's what i use19:00
Woolly-workgrand, cheers :)19:00
rm_youqwerty12: does that command just change it to boot from a different device?19:00
rm_youand not display a bootmenu?19:00
qwerty12rm_you: yep, works with or without bootmenu19:00
rm_youqwerty12: cool :P i think i prefer having the menu, myself, but that could work for you Woolly-work :P19:01
qwerty12To restore the default behaviour, there's a --clear-root-device setting or something in the flasher19:01
qwerty12Yep, the bootmenu is a lot better but for those times where you can't install it :)19:01
Woolly-workso i'm using flasher3.0 to put the SD card image onto the SD card in the virgin tablet19:01
rm_youi don't think so19:02
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rm_youWoolly-work: flasher3.0 will set which device to boot from, as an alternative to installing fanoush' bootmenu19:02
Woolly-workahh so flasher3.0 --set-boot-device or whatever it is wont specify an image to flash or anything, it just modifies the bootloader19:02
rm_youWoolly-work: to clone the SD card, I recommend putting it into a cardreader on your main machine, using dd or something to clone the entire disk to binary file, and then using dd to image all the other SD cards :P19:03
Woolly-workyeah, that's what I was going to do :D19:03
Woolly-workqwerty12: do you know if the set root device falls back to booting from internal if there isn't an SD present?19:03
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rm_youit *should* if it is sane19:04
rm_youqwerty12, thoughts?19:04
qwerty12Should do, lemme check linuxrc. But bootmenu is much better to use19:04
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qwerty12Yep, it goes back to flash19:05
Woolly-workawesome, thanks :)19:05
GeneralAntillesFlash needs to die horribly.19:05
rm_youlol GA19:05
Woolly-worki think i'll go with bootmenu, just to have the menu there, in case19:05
GeneralAntillesSome stupid, idiotic little flash applet has my whole browser locked up.19:05
Woolly-workwrong Flash :D19:06
qwerty12Grab the pitchforks!19:06
rm_youGA: throw your Flash binary into the aperture science furnace, aka /dev/null19:07
GeneralAntillesI'm ready to break every piece of technology in this apartment.19:07
rm_youqwerty12: you know you could like, attach those patches to the PATCHES section of my garage project :P19:07
rm_youwhere they're like, supposed to go :P19:07
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qwerty12rm_you: srysly? You could have told me this sooner :P19:08
* rm_you just realized this19:08
* qwerty12 never knew this. Hah, I got the 1UP :P19:08
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rm_youqwerty12: do you still stick to being online ONLY during specific hours like you did back last year? ( -- see your time distribution image, you are #12)19:12
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rm_youcause that was funny :P19:13
rm_youlike ONLY 06-17h19:13
qwerty12rm_you: pretty much, yeah :). qwerty12_N800 can be found on here until around 12:30 AM BST :P19:14
* rm_you misses jott19:14
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StskeepsMacer: got the toll stuff: will have to cash out 76$ but that's cheap compared to how much i would have to pay for a new one19:21
StskeepsthereÃ's limits on what is considered gifts (price value, so)19:21
ShadowJKhow do they arrive at 76?19:21
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StskeepsShadowJK: 150 dkk fee, 25% VAT probably19:22
Stskeepslanding at 438kr approx19:22
ShadowJKoh, it's sent through a courier instead of normal mail?19:22
Stskeepsnormal mail19:22
Stskeepsfacist danish post ..19:23
ShadowJKfi post lets you handle customs yourself, which doesn't cost you any fees19:23
Stskeepsmy gf tells me i should have sent it to poland instead19:25
Woolly-workrm_you: do I need to install e2fsprogs like it says in the wiki? it's been replaced by libuuid1 apparently19:25
man_in_ltopwell, i hope to get a working wpa-eap/pap solution by tuesday19:26
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* Stskeeps wonders if mer works with wpa-eap or not.. the bug in discussion atm confuses me19:27
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Stskeepsman_in_ltop: there's a ICD plugin for WPA supplicant afaik19:27
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qwerty12It won't compile, wants some functions in some headers that weren't included with it19:28
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GeneralAntillesAlright, that was a pain
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rm_youthe current front page is broken? or just sucky?19:39
rm_youi know, i see it19:40
GeneralAntillesHorribly, horribly broken.19:40
rm_youall the boxes are pretty? >_>19:40
GeneralAntillesMostly because X-Fade broke the templates. :P19:40
rm_youyeah i see19:40
rm_youthe CSS is just bad19:40
GeneralAntillesThis new design meshes with etc19:41
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StskeepsMacer: lo19:43
StskeepsMacer: basically i got hit with a tad of customs fee, but it's not a problem :)19:43
Stskeepsi had mistaken the rules - marking it gift won't get it past19:43
Stskeepsif the value is above a certain amount19:45
Stskeepsbut it's very low, like 76$19:45
Stskeepswhich is cheap compared if i had to find it again19:45
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man_in_ltopok, got it flashed up to diablo :D19:46
man_in_ltopnow i just need to reinstall all my stuff :P19:46
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man_in_ltopso now it's on diablo, i shouldn't need to reflash it, right?19:52
slonopotamusyou just don't have newer os to reflash19:53
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mgedminand since diablo has SSU, you shouldn't need to reflash it in the future either19:54
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man_in_ltopmgedmin, that is what i meant20:02
man_in_ltopso how exactly does ssu work?20:02
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GeneralAntillesman_in_ltop, it's just apt-get dist-upgrade basically.20:03
mgedminyou go to the Application Installer and install 'OS2008 Feature Upgrade' there20:03
mgedminthen it reboots20:03
GeneralAntillesExcept they update a system meta-package.20:03
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GeneralAntillesIf somebody wants to figure out what bit of CSS is adding all that white space, this is ready to go:
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mib_ubpiiwarghhh for my sanity could someone please link me up with xchat for n810 (.deb please)20:11
mib_ubpiiwhi simon20:11
qwerty12It's in extras20:11
infobotmethinks extras is
lardmanhi mib_ubpiiw20:11
mib_ubpiiwarrghh why isnt it listed?20:12
man_in_ltopit is20:12
man_in_ltopyou have to enable "maemo extras" in the apps manager20:12
mib_ubpiiwi have other extras things20:12
man_in_ltopwell, i'll check mine as soon as midori finishes installing20:12
mib_ubpiiwmmm no i just refreshed20:13
mib_ubpiiwliqbase is there so i know i already have extras20:13
man_in_ltopi just did a search for xchat20:14
man_in_ltopit's in my list20:14
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man_in_ltopthis is on latest diablo, though it was also on chinook20:14
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GeneralAntillesAre you sure it's not installed?20:15
GeneralAntillesAre you browsing "All"?20:15
GeneralAntillesMaybe try apt-get install xchat20:16
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baconwhich bright spark asked if it was already installed?20:20
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baconcos whoever it is needs a beer20:20
lardmanmmm, beer20:20
baconthis is tracys machine lol (she might be watchin ok lcuk machine20:21
man_in_ltopit was GeneralAntilles20:21
man_in_ltopunless you're offering a good ginger beer, then it was me20:21
baconoh, white wine then20:21
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lcukshe is watching god i cant even surf in peace when u not here20:21
* bacon is on holiday20:21
bacontracy, right click my name and msg me20:22
lcukhuh how?20:22
baconright click on bacon20:22
* suihkulokki wants to fry bacon20:22
lardmanlcuk: type something like this: "~lart bacon"20:22
man_in_ltopgah, it's 3:3020:22
* lardman wonders if that counts as blasphemy20:23
GeneralAntillesSomebody figure out what's adding all that whitespace
lardmandon't you just hate it when you once again realise a piece of code is slow, but don't have the time to fix it20:24
man_in_ltopGeneralAntilles, where in particular?20:25
baconlardman, depends which bits20:25
GeneralAntillesman_in_ltop, between the content and the navbar on the right20:25
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man_in_ltopit's not meant to look like that?20:26
GeneralAntillesman_in_ltop, compare it to
baconanyone know if i can do the following: hotel wifi from laptop and from n810, but then connext via ssh from  laptop to 81p20:26
man_in_ltopthat's a very different layout20:27
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GeneralAntillesman_in_ltop, um, not really.20:27
GeneralAntillesman_in_ltop, I think you've got a cached Main_Page20:27
Jaffaman_in_ltop: have you got your wiki skin set to monobookmaemo200920:27
GeneralAntillesor that20:27
GeneralAntillesIsn't it default now?20:27
baconlcuk, tracy what are you doin with xchat on yours?20:27
* GeneralAntilles is feeling the after-effect of CSS/XHTML toture.20:27
GeneralAntillesbacon, messaging old boyfriends, duh.20:28
JaffaGeneralAntilles: I don't know if X-Fade's changed anyone's settings though20:28
man_in_ltopi don't have a login for the wiki20:28
GeneralAntillesNo, I guess it's not default yet.20:29
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man_in_ltopyay, vim20:30
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baconlardman which code is to clow20:30
lardmandatacube polynomial fitting and differential generation20:30
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lardmanfixable, but I always have something better to do, until I need to use it then I curse20:31
baconoh that, yeah i left mine slow too20:31
baconis this a matlab prog20:31
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lardmaneverything is a MATLAB prog for me20:31
lardmanat work at least20:32
baconcos ppl in gsoc were talkin about runnin matlab on netbooks20:32
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baconis matlab code for visual basic then20:32
lardmanwere they, why?20:32
lardmanah, I do occassionally have to do a little VB it is true20:32
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baconabout how matlab itself would run but you would hafve to be an ubergod to make anything nontrivial run20:33
baconso best is just throw more metal at it20:33
lardmanreally, what spec are they talking? I've had Octave running on the N8x0 reasonably happily20:33
baconrun using screen or vnc from a mainframe and slowness goes away ,)20:34
lardmanthough MATLAB nowadays uses Java for the GUI, so there's an issue straight off20:34
baconthis was related to eee20:34
lardmanI was thinking of buying a little intel palmtop sort of machine for running MATLAB when away at conferences20:34
baconits good to see we arent the only ones who need to optimize20:34
bacondont let gan hear u say that tho lol20:35
lardmanwell needs must, need something that can edit PowerPoint too20:35
baconim thinking about atarting an optimization document for devicesx20:36
baconif i can ever get used to the wiki lol20:36
tank-manim not  a mathmatition, but what does matlab do that octave/maxima doesnt?20:37
tank-manor its just syntax preference?20:37
baconit puts mat in a lab20:37
lardmaninertia I guess20:37
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lardmanthough I used to use Symulink a lot, which is MATLAB only20:38
lardmansimulink even20:38
GeneralAntilleslardman, probably better off with a netbook price/performance/usability-wise for mobile math stuff.20:39
lardmanhow big are they?20:39
lardmanI want something small and portable ideally20:39
bacondoes xchat bing if i minimize it and someone shouts20:39
lardmandoesn't matter if it's not fast, just as long as it gets the job done (re MATLAB stuff), for trying out ideas, etc20:40
GeneralAntillesAbout 4 N810s20:40
GeneralAntillesbacon, it'll flash the notification area.20:41
GeneralAntilleslardman, but you're going to be paying ~$600 for a MID versus about $200-$300 for a netbook.20:41
GeneralAntillesA netbook with twice the performance.20:41
baconim goin over to the laptop its behind me chargin20:41
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lardmanGeneralAntilles: work, not me20:41
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baconget an sgi netbook, tiny and handheld (and the main processing cabinet is on wheels20:42
locutusGeneralAntilles: MID?20:43
* lardman gets confused by all the acronyms20:44
GeneralAntilleslocutus, Intel's definition.20:44
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lardmanGeneralAntilles: you've got a Dell mini right?20:45
GeneralAntilleslardman, yeah.20:45
lardmanhmm, browsing randomly the HP 2133 mini-note looks a good size20:45
lardmanno idea what's in it mind you :)20:45
GeneralAntilleslardman, the HP Mini 1000 is more expensive, but probably a better choice.20:45
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GeneralAntillesThan the Mini 9 that is.20:46
GeneralAntilleslardman, give it about 6 months, though.20:46
GeneralAntillesWait for the new chipsets to hit.20:46
GeneralAntillesSince they're significantly less sucky than what's out now.20:46
lardmanand deflation will kick in too ;)20:47
baconin 6 months we should have omap3 in our hands20:47
lardmanI hope it will be less than 6 months20:47
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baconso do i20:48
lardmanI guess I could port my main code to run under Octave, assuming the omap3 will be reasonably quick20:48
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lardmanstill the ppt issue though20:48
mib_tltiel#nick jackdoor20:49
baconno linux ppt viewers?20:49
GeneralAntilles^ yeah, really.20:49
lardmanno editors that seem to work20:49
GeneralAntillesThat's not an issue.20:49
baconqole should have oo working nicely on omap20:49
mib_tltiel#nickname jack20:49
lardmandidn't work for me at the summit last year20:49
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lardmanI foolishly brought a ppt presentation20:49
baconi foolishly brought a craptop20:50
jackdoorIs it ok if I ask you guys for help with my n810 in this chat?20:51
Stskeepsyou can always try20:51
baconwe might not be able to help tho20:52
baconhiya sts20:52
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baconhows #liqbase doing without me lol20:52
jackdoori am booting from the internal card but everytime my n810 boots a black and white menu comes up and i dontknow how to make it boot directly from the internal card20:53
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jackdoorjust wondeing if theres a way to get rid of the menu so it boots straight into my internal card20:53
infoboti guess boot-sd is
qwerty12_N800^there's a section there on how to do so20:55
bacono/ qwerty20:55
qwerty12_N800hey bacon :)20:55
jackdoorproblem is i dont have a linux computer20:55
qwerty12_N800(lol, that sounded odd :P)20:55
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* bacon sizzles on the griddle20:56
GeneralAntillesYou know, if lcuk weren't such a bacon poser I'm quite certain he'd of died of sodium poisoning.20:56
qwerty12_N800jackdoor: it's done from tablet, which if you actually read it, you'd know20:56
* lcuk is sick of bacon20:56
bacondo i eat as much bacon as they think20:57
lcukyes u do20:57
jackdoori did ant it said in linux or os x so i assumed it meant a computer20:57
lardmanright, I'm heading for home, see you chaps tomorrow20:58
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baconi dont eat much20:58
bacongnite simon20:58
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jackdoorso i can run that code from my tablet right?20:59
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z4chhim ordered my n810 :)21:05
fred23Hi!  I'm with Mozilla, working on Fennec (Firefox mobile) and I've hit something in the sapwood theme engine that's slowing down are startup... is any theme-expert online ?21:05
Stskeeps'herzi' does sapwood, you can probably prod him21:06
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fred23he's not online at the moment.. does he hang out on a different channel ?21:06
Stskeepsnah, just afk atm21:07
Stskeepscatch him earlier21:07
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fred23Stskeeps: np, thanx21:08
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StskeepsGeneralAntilles: intentional wiki looks .. lame? :P21:39
Stskeepsas in, wiki main page21:39
GeneralAntillesStskeeps, switch to MonoBookMaemo200921:40
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GeneralAntillesStskeeps, I pulled the trigger too early, but I'm too lazy to revert21:42
GeneralAntillesIt looks lame, but at least it doesn't look broken.21:42
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infobothmm... rx-51 is
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