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| Guest0937_962 | how much time i need to wait after applying for maemo extra upload? | 00:04 |
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| GeneralAntilles | Guest0937_962, usually a day. | 00:05 |
| GeneralAntilles | It's whenever X-Fade gets around to it. | 00:05 |
| Guest0937_962 | usualy? | 00:05 |
| GeneralAntilles | and he's done for today. | 00:05 |
| Guest0937_962 | ok so tomorow ok ok | 00:05 |
| Guest0937_962 | TX GA | 00:05 |
| Guest0937_962 | ;) | 00:05 |
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| eggs1235 | meh | 00:14 |
| GeneralAntilles | hem | 00:17 |
| eggs1235 | do u mirror everfything | 00:18 |
| eggs1235 | this beer is strong | 00:18 |
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| eggs1235 | does static damage n8x0 | 00:21 |
| johnx | why do you ask? | 00:21 |
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| GeneralAntilles | Only if you hit the board. | 00:21 |
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| eggs1235 | i keep getting shocks on everythin i touch in the room i am in | 00:21 |
| eggs1235 | its not normal | 00:22 |
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| eggs1235 | how r u johnx | 00:22 |
| johnx | pretty good | 00:22 |
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| zakari | hi everybody | 00:33 |
| Guysoft422 | hey, is there a way to get the f1-f4 keys on he nokia n810? | 00:34 |
| eggs1235 | i thought some of the f keys were used for dpad etc | 00:35 |
| GeneralAntilles | eggs1235, no, -/+ and fullscreen | 00:35 |
| GeneralAntilles | Menu, Home. | 00:36 |
| qwerty12_N800 | ? dpad is mapped to your normal up, down etc | 00:36 |
| eggs1235 | you know what i meant tho | 00:37 |
| GeneralAntilles | Drunken tableteering is dangerous. | 00:39 |
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| eggs1235 | o_O im not drunk yet | 00:39 |
| Guysoft422 | i have another keyboard question: i seem to have lost my virtual keyboard, it wont start, what could have caused that? | 00:39 |
| johnx | GuySoft, using a usb or bluetooth keyboard? | 00:40 |
| GeneralAntilles | Alternatively, N810? | 00:40 |
| eggs1235 | control panel option | 00:41 |
| eggs1235 | n810 still allows vkb | 00:41 |
| GeneralAntilles | eggs1235, sure, but a broken slide detector (known issue) or a software stick (known issue) can cause trouble. | 00:42 |
| eggs1235 | good point | 00:43 |
| GeneralAntilles | Yeah, that's why I brought it up. :D | 00:43 |
| eggs1235 | but the simplest scenario is its been unticked | 00:43 |
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| eggs1235 | thumb keyboards of anytype are fiddly, i much prefer a desktop | 00:44 |
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| eggs1235 | hmmm xchat is actibe app but hildon shows browser | 00:48 |
| qwerty12_N800 | it's the drink | 00:48 |
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| eggs1235 | the left hand side highlight and nobble are on browser | 00:49 |
| eggs1235 | its not qwerty | 00:49 |
| eggs1235 | ive got 2 browser windows open and xchat | 00:49 |
| eggs1235 | even more curious | 00:50 |
| eggs1235 | when i pressed fullscreen to save a pic lol it has now eaten hildon totally | 00:50 |
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| qwerty12_N800 | it happens, nothing harmful :) (of course, it doesn't help that the browser is a focus whore) | 00:51 |
| eggs1235 | theres no icons and yes im back in windows | 00:51 |
| eggs1235 | :o ive lost all my sidebar | 00:51 |
| eggs1235 | heh i can minimize chat but cant change app | 00:52 |
| eggs1235 | i cant even move applets | 00:53 |
| eggs1235 | or anything, time to sleep | 00:53 |
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| guysoft42 | johnx, USB | 00:54 |
| guysoft42 | hmm, i just found someone reporting the same problem i have: http://www.internettablettalk.com/forums/showthread.php?t=27188 | 00:55 |
| guysoft42 | i carn't seem to post about it too because its in the 'old' area | 00:55 |
| tank-man | guysoft42, you dont need those control apps to change to host mode if youre using those otg usb adaptors | 01:00 |
| guysoft42 | tank-man, i know. it used to work. .then it stoped | 01:00 |
| guysoft42 | now each time i plug it in, it reboots | 01:00 |
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| guysoft42 | tank-man, i also have on older system on at the internal 250MB memory, it works there too | 01:02 |
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| tank-man | have you looked at maybe the output of "dmesg" ? | 01:05 |
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| guysoft42 | tank-man, i am not sure how, it reboot about a second (even less) when i plug it in | 01:06 |
| guysoft42 | tank-man, i need some way to log it to file before it reboots | 01:07 |
| tank-man | you can ssh in from your desktop to see it | 01:07 |
| guysoft42 | tank-man, that might be hard, i will need to reconfigure the wifi here.. | 01:07 |
| guysoft42 | tank-man, because the usb would be in use | 01:08 |
| guysoft42 | tank-man, some bash scripts that echos the dmesg would do better | 01:08 |
| qwerty12_N800 | GuySoft: grab the klogd & syslogd debs from the diablo sdk repo (would give you a link but am on tablet) | 01:08 |
| qwerty12_N800 | kernel log gets dumped into /var/logs or smthing | 01:09 |
| qwerty12_N800 | (with klogd) | 01:09 |
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| guysoft42 | qwerty12_N800, tank-man its rebooting now. i tried writing : while true ; do; dmesg > dm ; done | 01:12 |
| guysoft42 | then i pluged it in | 01:12 |
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| guysoft42 | empty file. so i did the same with two septate dm files.. that should mean while its writing on one, the other would be saved :) | 01:15 |
| guysoft42 | rebooting.. | 01:15 |
| guysoft42 | ok got it. let me paste it | 01:16 |
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| tank-man | you can use ">>" to append the output to a file instead of overwriting it | 01:16 |
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| guysoft42 | tank-man, that would flood the flash, my way is space-effective let me just pull the file and pastbin it | 01:17 |
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| guysoft42 | there, here is the pastebin, and you can see the keyboard. i can also see something strange with the driver: http://pastebin.com/m1c326bdb | 01:20 |
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| man_in_pda | ok | 01:21 |
| guysoft42 | /home/faheem/kernel-source-diablo-2.6.21/kernel-source/drivers/usb/core/inode.c: creating file '002' is that the normal file for the driver? | 01:21 |
| guysoft42 | qwerty12_N800, care to take a look? it might shed light on this | 01:22 |
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| man_in_pda | so, is there a way of rearranging installed applications? | 01:23 |
| guysoft42 | man_in_pda, you mean the menu? yes, in the settings under panels | 01:24 |
| guysoft42 | tank-man, any idea? | 01:24 |
| qwerty12_N800 | GuySoft: Sorry, but I wouldn't probably be able to tell you: logs aren't my speciality & I don't use USB host :/ | 01:24 |
| man_in_pda | ah ty | 01:24 |
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| lardman | guysoft42: are you booting with a hub attached or is that the built in one? | 01:25 |
| guysoft42 | it must be built in. | 01:25 |
| qwerty12_N800 | guysoft42: But I take it that's one of my kernel builds as it's saying /home/faheem - I dunno if that's one of my more stable ones... | 01:25 |
| lardman | guysoft42: ok | 01:26 |
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| guysoft42 | qwerty12_N800, ah i see you are faheem :) | 01:26 |
| qwerty12_N800 | heh, yeah :) | 01:26 |
| guysoft42 | lardman, i also have another keyboard that does the same thing.. | 01:26 |
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| guysoft42 | qwerty12_N800, maybe its your kernel? how can i check what kernel the old system (where it works) is running on? | 01:27 |
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| * guysoft42 boots to the old system.. | 01:27 | |
| guysoft42 | i guess ill just dmesg ther | 01:28 |
| guysoft42 | there* | 01:28 |
| lardman | so this is with a kb plugged in is it? | 01:28 |
| qwerty12_N800 | guysoft42: oh, the kernel is the same for all booted systems | 01:28 |
| lardman | sorry I only came in half way through the explanation | 01:28 |
| man_in_pda | now if only i could find a nice, easy way to get wpa-eap/pap support, i would be extremely happy with my new toy :) | 01:28 |
| guysoft42 | ah sorry lardman do go on | 01:28 |
| lardman | oh you're talking about a kb with a built in hub | 01:29 |
| tank-man | guysoft42, i dont see anything in the log you pasted that tells it to shutdown | 01:30 |
| tank-man | i dont know what is going on | 01:30 |
| lardman | have you disabled watchdog reboots? | 01:31 |
| lardman | just to see if it's the desktop which is taking it down | 01:31 |
| guysoft42 | tank-man, well its not supposed to .. i just made another dmesg from the old system, (where the keyboard works) .. lets see if there more lines | 01:31 |
| man_in_pda | hmm ... all the google bookmarks are google.com and i want them to be google.com.au :) | 01:31 |
| guysoft42 | lardman, my guess is it might be the connection manager that now supports USB network.. | 01:31 |
| lardman | I think I might just be confusing matters as I don't know what's going on, I'll sit back and listen for a while | 01:31 |
| lardman | :) | 01:31 |
| tank-man | my suggestion is use the normal kernel or bug the maintainer of the kernel you are using :) | 01:32 |
| guysoft42 | lardman, you mean bug qwerty12_N800 ? | 01:32 |
| guysoft42 | (dont i do that anyway? :P ) | 01:32 |
| lardman | I agree with tank-man of course, ask him about his odd taste in music while you're at it ;) | 01:33 |
| qwerty12_N800 | guysoft42: hehe, I don't think it's the kernel if it works when booting from a different system on the same machine as the same kernel is always used :) | 01:34 |
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| qwerty12_N800 | lardman: bah, you Bath people, stick to yer classical music :p | 01:35 |
| lardman | qwerty12_N800: lol, I was just listening to some too | 01:36 |
| lardman | qwerty12_N800: T.Rex now | 01:36 |
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| lardman | before your (and my for that matter) time | 01:37 |
| GeneralAntilles | So, question, should the intro paragraph be dropped? http://maemo.org/community/ | 01:37 |
| GeneralAntilles | None of the other sections have intro paragraphs like that. | 01:37 |
| qwerty12_N800 | lardman: Come on, my time, maybe but yours? ;P | 01:38 |
| lardman | qwerty12_N800: hey, I'm only 30 young man! | 01:38 |
| qwerty12_N800 | oh, I thought you were double that :p | 01:39 |
| lardman | GeneralAntilles: I think it's ok | 01:39 |
| man_in_pda | dude, you're ancient! | 01:39 |
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| * lardman adds another reason to his list of "why to strangle qwerty" | 01:39 | |
| lardman | qwerty12_N800: look what you've started! | 01:39 |
| lardman | probably past most of your bed times! :D | 01:40 |
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| lardman | and mine now that I'm getting old | 01:40 |
| qwerty12_N800 | A 60 year old's killing habit? :p | 01:40 |
| guysoft42 | ok! i think i got it | 01:40 |
| guysoft42 | well, the problem not the answer | 01:40 |
| guysoft42 | er - i got disconnection, can people see me here still | 01:41 |
| guysoft42 | ? | 01:41 |
| lardman | qwerty12_N800: I'll get you with my walking stick | 01:41 |
| lardman | guysoft42: yep | 01:41 |
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| man_in_pda | qwerty12_N800, careful, or you won't live to see 30 | 01:41 |
| qwerty12_N800 | ok, now I'm scared :/ | 01:41 |
| b-man16 | lol | 01:41 |
| guysoft42 | this is the old working dmesg: http://pastebin.com/m72f3e955 | 01:41 |
| guysoft42 | it has a line: [ 92.187500] menelaus 1-0072: Setting voltage 'VMMC' to 3000 mV (reg 0x0a, val 0xb8) | 01:41 |
| GeneralAntilles | lardman, save it for the Summit. You can use your size and strength advantage to knock the snot out of him. | 01:42 |
| guysoft42 | ah no. it exists in the old one too, but in different places.. | 01:42 |
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| lardman | GeneralAntilles: he'll fight back with psychological warefare like they did to Noriega | 01:43 |
| * guysoft42 hopes before all #maemo developers kill themselves by beating each other up, they might have an answer to his problem | 01:43 | |
| lardman | qwerty12_N800: are you coming to the summit this year? | 01:45 |
| lardman | speaking of which, what about you Ryan....? | 01:45 |
| GeneralAntilles | Planning on it. | 01:46 |
| qwerty12_N800 | lardman: negative :) | 01:46 |
| b-man16 | qwety12 can't because he's 16 | 01:46 |
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| GeneralAntilles | qwerty12 better come too. | 01:47 |
| b-man16 | *to | 01:47 |
| GeneralAntilles | Otherwise we're sending Jaffa, lardman, lcuk, and lbt to knock on your door. | 01:47 |
| lardman | qwerty12_N800: I can act in loco parentis | 01:47 |
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| lardman | anyway you can get married and drive a tractor at 16 so why not come to the summit? | 01:50 |
| GeneralAntilles | lol | 01:50 |
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| lardman | actually I think you can probably fly a plane at 16 too; driving cars at 17 and voting at 18 are passé | 01:51 |
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| GeneralAntilles | Probably younger than that | 01:51 |
| GeneralAntilles | State-side anyway. | 01:51 |
| lardman | over here I think it's 16 | 01:52 |
| lardman | still pretty young | 01:52 |
| lardman | can't you guys drive at 16 in some states? | 01:52 |
| johnx | 15 in some, IIRC | 01:52 |
| lardman | bloody hell | 01:52 |
| johnx | but yeah, 16 is basically the age for all states | 01:53 |
| lardman | good thing there are no bends over there ;) | 01:53 |
| lardman | johnx: well in the US, Japan is just very narrow I imagine | 01:53 |
| GeneralAntilles | 14 in some. | 01:53 |
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| guysoft42 | here its 17.. | 01:54 |
| man_in_pda | yay colours in xchat :P | 01:54 |
| guysoft42 | man_in_pda, it only works for you | 01:54 |
| * lardman now realises why no-one walks in the US; playstation generation are allowed to drive cars before puberty | 01:54 | |
| GeneralAntilles | The bad drivers really aren't the kids. | 01:54 |
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| GeneralAntilles | Bad drivers are the old people with no reflexes or senses left | 01:55 |
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| lardman | do people drink-drive these days? | 01:55 |
| johnx | lardman, they're allowed to have puberty younger too | 01:55 |
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| guysoft42 | speaking of drivers - can you please help me?!?! | 01:55 |
| johnx | lardman, only politicians and policemen | 01:55 |
| GeneralAntilles | and the middle-aged people who think they know what they're doing so couldn't possibly get in an accident. | 01:55 |
| lardman | guysoft42: lol | 01:55 |
| man_in_pda | of course. nothing works for anyone but me ;) | 01:55 |
| lardman | GeneralAntilles: I hope you're not looking at me | 01:55 |
| GeneralAntilles | lardman, dunno, never seen you drive. :P | 01:56 |
| lardman | sideways and quickly | 01:56 |
| GeneralAntilles | What, got some sort of tuned up Supra? :P | 01:57 |
| johnx | guysoft42, what are you using to set host mode? | 01:57 |
| lardman | nah front-wheel drive, lift off oversteer all the way | 01:57 |
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| GeneralAntilles | Ha | 01:57 |
| johnx | FWD. ugh. | 01:57 |
| johnx | I can barely stand AWD | 01:57 |
| GeneralAntilles | Worst. Thing. Ever. | 01:58 |
| lardman | rwd is expensive over here | 01:58 |
| GeneralAntilles | My mother got a Miata last month. | 01:58 |
| johnx | so don't buy new. :P | 01:58 |
| GeneralAntilles | Fun car | 01:58 |
| guysoft42 | johnx, i have the usb host app installed, but i am not using it to set anything | 01:58 |
| lardman | ah mx-5 | 01:58 |
| guysoft42 | johnx, have you seen the dmesg output? | 01:58 |
| GeneralAntilles | Automatic, though. :( | 01:59 |
| johnx | guysoft42, so you're trying to use a usb keyboard, but you're not setting host mode with anything? | 01:59 |
| guysoft42 | johnx, yes.. works on the old system fine. | 02:00 |
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| guysoft42 | i can also tell you that before the thing reboots the let lights up white, and there is a 'ding' of a reboot | 02:00 |
| johnx | well, what kind of adapter are you using? have you tried setting host mode first? have you tried it without any card plugged in? | 02:00 |
| lardman | I've got one of these, excuse Clarkson: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tvyVnutjJYA | 02:00 |
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| GAN800 | I'm so tired of this piece of shit computer. :( | 02:01 |
| guysoft42 | johnx, it does it in two i have, one i ordered from china, and the other one i soldered two female connectors together | 02:01 |
| guysoft42 | both dont need any setting in the old system, both crash in the new one | 02:01 |
| guysoft42 | its purely something software-related | 02:02 |
| johnx | ok, well answer my other questions then | 02:02 |
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| guysoft42 | johnx, ah, ill try the card idea | 02:02 |
| johnx | try setting host mode too! | 02:02 |
| guysoft42 | ok | 02:03 |
| guysoft42 | did both, still reboots | 02:04 |
| johnx | no ideas. have you been playing with usb networking? | 02:04 |
| guysoft42 | johnx, not in depth.. i really think that is the cause | 02:05 |
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| guysoft42 | johnx, because i dont have that in my old system | 02:05 |
| johnx | yup. running into something similar here | 02:05 |
| johnx | but it only happens when I've been trying to switch from one mode to another | 02:06 |
| johnx | I never get it on a fresh boot | 02:06 |
| guysoft42 | you can recreate the bug?? | 02:06 |
| johnx | not reliably | 02:06 |
| johnx | you have an n810 or n800? | 02:07 |
| guysoft42 | well better than nothing.. here it happens all the time | 02:07 |
| guysoft42 | N810 | 02:07 |
| johnx | I worked around it here by removing *both* cards :> | 02:07 |
| johnx | <- n800 | 02:07 |
| guysoft42 | yay! i am now not the jabbering loony that claims bugs no one ever sees | 02:07 |
| johnx | have you flashed a non-Nokia kernel? | 02:08 |
| guysoft42 | ah! well welll guess what is solderd on my board.. | 02:08 |
| guysoft42 | yes.. i am using qwerty12_N800's | 02:08 |
| johnx | try a nokia kernel | 02:08 |
| johnx | I haven't taken that step yet, but it would be interesting to know | 02:08 |
| guysoft42 | um, if i flash it wont it stop the bootloader? | 02:09 |
| johnx | flash just the kernel | 02:09 |
| johnx | you can use the flasher on the device itself | 02:09 |
| guysoft42 | johnx, link how to do that? | 02:09 |
| guysoft42 | qwerty12_N800, is this safe? | 02:09 |
| johnx | it's how Nokia does it for their SSU updates ;) | 02:10 |
| qwerty12_N800 | guysoft42: sure | 02:10 |
| guysoft42 | whats the command? | 02:10 |
| guysoft42 | qwerty12_N800, what am i loosing that your kernel does/ | 02:10 |
| guysoft42 | ? | 02:10 |
| johnx | I forgot where you store the kernel, but it's: flash-and-reboot | 02:11 |
| johnx | you have to leave the kernel somewhere specific though | 02:11 |
| johnx | you could read the flash-and-reboot script to tell you | 02:11 |
| qwerty12_N800 | johnx: fiasco-flasher -f -k <image> works too :) | 02:11 |
| johnx | qwerty12_N800, right, as long as your usb works reliably ... :> | 02:12 |
| qwerty12_N800 | johnx: flash & reboot script calls that program :) | 02:12 |
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| johnx | aaah, I thought you meant something from the desktop | 02:12 |
| johnx | <- not paying 100% attention, needs more coffee | 02:13 |
| qwerty12_N800 | guysoft42: dunno, I've done a lot of zImages... If you wanna flash another kernel, http://trac.tspre.org/qwerty12/mer_kernel/mer_kernel_2.6.21-zImage_boot_from_initfs.tar is stable | 02:13 |
| qwerty12_N800 | But try a nokia one first :) | 02:13 |
| GeneralAntilles | He puts a different virus in each one. | 02:14 |
| guysoft42 | qwerty12_N800, where do you place the flasher? and where do i get an image from? | 02:14 |
| qwerty12_N800 | guysoft42: the flasher is shipped with diablo (fiasco-flasher as root) and apt-get install -reinstall kernel-diablo-flasher should place the original image on the filesystem | 02:16 |
| qwerty12_N800 | s/-reinstall/--reinstall/ | 02:16 |
| infobot | qwerty12_N800 meant: guysoft42: the flasher is shipped with diablo (fiasco-flasher as root) and apt-get install --reinstall kernel-diablo-flasher should place the original image on the filesystem | 02:16 |
| man_in_pda | so, what's the easiest way to hit Tab using the real keyboard on a n810? :k | 02:17 |
| man_in_pda | * :) | 02:17 |
| johnx | ctrl-i ? | 02:17 |
| man_in_pda | that split the channel off in xchat | 02:18 |
| guysoft42 | E: Command line option 'r' [from -reinstall] is not known.? | 02:19 |
| guysoft42 | nm needed two -- | 02:19 |
| guysoft42 | catalogue.tableteer.nokia.com seems to not wor | 02:20 |
| guysoft42 | work* | 02:20 |
| johnx | man_in_pda, I thought you meant in a terminal. oops | 02:20 |
| man_in_pda | it's ok | 02:20 |
| lardman | guysoft42: that means reboot on the desktop version afaik | 02:20 |
| qwerty12_N800 | guysoft42: eurgh, apt is meant to be patched to auth. to that server :( | 02:21 |
| man_in_pda | need to restart xchat anyway | 02:21 |
| guysoft42 | qwerty12_N800, patched? you meen the red pill? | 02:23 |
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| man_in_pda | damn, "shinshen sho" promised to be like mah-jong, and it's tile-matching | 02:23 |
| qwerty12_N800 | guysoft42: no :( | 02:25 |
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| guysoft42 | qwerty12_N800, so what? | 02:25 |
| qwerty12_N800 | not sure as I can't think of another way to get it (barring extracting it from a fiasco image off the computer) | 02:26 |
| lardman | how old is the current kernel? | 02:28 |
| lardman | https://garage.maemo.org/frs/?group_id=665&release_id=1934 is one you could wget from July 2008, but that sounds a bit old | 02:29 |
| guysoft42 | qwerty12_N800, should i wget 1.1.0? | 02:30 |
| qwerty12_N800 | that seems a little too old | 02:30 |
| lardman | I don't remember what kernel version that was | 02:30 |
| guysoft42 | qwerty12_N800, where can i wget a diffrent one? | 02:31 |
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| qwerty12_N800 | No idea, not for an original one | 02:31 |
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| lardman | hang on, I'm sure I can find one | 02:32 |
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| lardman | what version of the bin file are we on atm? | 02:33 |
| guysoft42 | whey is everything here broken?! : http://wiki.maemo.org/Mer/Releases/0.6 | 02:33 |
| lardman | I have the kernel from DIABLO_5.2008.43-7 handy | 02:33 |
| qwerty12_N800 | 43-7 is latest iirc | 02:33 |
| GeneralAntilles | GuySoft, the latest release is 0.11. . . . | 02:34 |
| lardman | ok, let me upload it then | 02:34 |
| lardman | GeneralAntilles: I think he was talking about my sbc decoder with included kernel | 02:34 |
| qwerty12_N800 | guysoft42: because Mer is now on 0.11 perhaps with 0.12 being released very soon? :P | 02:34 |
| GeneralAntilles | lardman, re the wiki page | 02:34 |
| lardman | ah, ok | 02:35 |
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| guysoft42 | how about?: http://stskeeps.subnetmask.net/mer/0.11/mer-armel-n8x0-kernelstd-v0.11.zImage | 02:35 |
| lardman | guysoft42: http://people.bath.ac.uk/enpsgp/nokia770/temp/zImage.DIABLO.5.43-7 | 02:36 |
| man_in_pda | is there a way to override the background colour of the input box and topic bar in xchat? | 02:36 |
| qwerty12_N800 | man_in_pda: set by theme | 02:37 |
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| man_in_pda | don't really want to change the system theme ... | 02:38 |
| kcowolf | b-man around by any chance? | 02:38 |
| guysoft42 | ok, ready to flash to mer-armel-n8x0-kernelstd-v0.11.zImage | 02:39 |
| johnx | note: I think that's the kernel I'm using | 02:40 |
| guysoft42 | Nothing to flash.? | 02:40 |
| johnx | try the diablo kernel that lardman linked just up above | 02:41 |
| lardman | my one was pristine from the NOLO | 02:41 |
| guysoft42 | ok joelmaher | 02:41 |
| guysoft42 | johnx, * | 02:42 |
| lardman | s/NOLO/FIASCO | 02:42 |
| lardman | bbiam, have to vpn to work | 02:42 |
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| kcowolf | anyone managed to apt-get install ubuntu-desktop from b-man's instructions on the forum (Ubuntu on n810 2.2)? Mine seems to reboot (maybe a crash) during the install | 02:43 |
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| guysoft42 | fasco-flasher: not found? | 02:43 |
| johnx | missed an i | 02:44 |
| johnx | kcowolf, might want to turn off watchdog reboot | 02:44 |
| guysoft42 | flashed.. now i reboot? | 02:44 |
| Pavlov | -R | 02:44 |
| johnx | correct | 02:46 |
| kcowolf | so I'd need to get to R&D mode and disable it? which one should I disable? | 02:49 |
| lardman_ | --set-rd-flags=no-lifeguard-reset | 02:51 |
| kcowolf | My newbie question for today: Out of curiosity, since I'm installing this (Ubuntu for the 810) on an SD card, do I have to be using the tablet while I'm installing it, or could I be using any Linux box? | 02:52 |
| guysoft42 | parasight, wrote reboot.. did the same i guess | 02:54 |
| guysoft42 | booting now | 02:54 |
| guysoft42 | rebooted :( | 02:54 |
| guysoft42 | at least ill flash to the new Mer | 02:54 |
| guysoft42 | is there a way to turn off the connection manager,, i really suspect it | 02:54 |
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| guysoft42 | mer kernel reboots too | 02:56 |
| guysoft42 | is there a way to disable the network manager? | 02:56 |
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| Macer | hm | 02:58 |
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| guysoft42 | i am downloading Mer in the meantime. i have a spare mini-sd and the kernel now | 03:00 |
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| guysoft42 | ill try remove the connection manager | 03:04 |
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| johnx | that probably won't do what you want | 03:06 |
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| man_in_pda | what exactly is mer? | 03:10 |
| johnx | mer is taking the best open source parts of maemo (mostly the UI) and getting it working on a slim ubuntu base | 03:11 |
| man_in_pda | eww | 03:11 |
| guysoft42 | worth a shot | 03:11 |
| johnx | eww? | 03:11 |
| man_in_pda | ubuntu :P | 03:11 |
| guysoft42 | mer is ubuntu based?! | 03:12 |
| johnx | yes | 03:12 |
| man_in_pda | hehe | 03:12 |
| guysoft42 | why the heck not debian? | 03:12 |
| johnx | guysoft42, why debian vs ubuntu? | 03:12 |
| johnx | just curious about your preconceptions | 03:12 |
| man_in_pda | because people think debian sucks for everyone but kernel hackers whereas ubuntu is for 2 yr old idiots? | 03:13 |
| johnx | anyways, the reasons for ubuntu go something like: they're 90% similar anyways, except that ubuntu has/had better support for upstart and it also has a solid 6 month release schedule | 03:14 |
| johnx | when you cut either ubuntu or debian down to the size we're working with they're almost exactly the same except for those two points (and of course version differences) | 03:14 |
| man_in_pda | pfft @ release schedule | 03:14 |
| johnx | man_in_pda, how many distros do you run? | 03:15 |
| man_in_pda | more like scheduled breakages | 03:15 |
| johnx | s/run/manage/ | 03:15 |
| infobot | johnx meant: man_in_pda, how many distros do you manage? | 03:15 |
| man_in_pda | debian unstable on about 5 boxen at home | 03:15 |
| johnx | and you're a debian maintainer? | 03:16 |
| man_in_pda | no | 03:16 |
| guysoft42 | whats maemo-usb-control? | 03:16 |
| johnx | guysoft42, tool to enable host mode | 03:16 |
| johnx | man_in_pda, well, release schedules start to look a little nicer when you're trying to organize your releases based on an upstream distro | 03:16 |
| guysoft42 | johnx, lets try removing it! | 03:17 |
| johnx | guysoft42, ok. | 03:17 |
| guysoft42 | (yay?) | 03:17 |
| man_in_pda | shouldn't do that though | 03:17 |
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| man_in_pda | the harder you try to stick to a release schedule the more likely you are to break stuff | 03:18 |
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| man_in_pda | ubuntu broke floppy support completely once | 03:19 |
| johnx | man_in_pda, it goes something like this: say maemo UI needs gtk version x.2 . Debian has x.1 and no one knows when the release that has x.2 will come out | 03:19 |
| johnx | meanwhile ubuntu either has x.2 or we know when they'll have x.2 | 03:19 |
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| johnx | and don't tell me to follow debian unstable :) | 03:20 |
| man_in_pda | so the solution is to nnot use debian stble releases | 03:20 |
| johnx | heh | 03:20 |
| johnx | I beat you to it | 03:20 |
| man_in_pda | follow testing | 03:20 |
| man_in_pda | *testing* | 03:20 |
| guysoft42 | btw, is there a Mer flashable to an mmc card? | 03:21 |
| man_in_pda | less likely to break stuff than unstable and still keeps relatively up-to-date | 03:21 |
| johnx | basically it sounds like you want to volunteer to work on mer-on-debian and we'd love to have you :) | 03:21 |
| man_in_pda | hehe | 03:21 |
| guysoft42 | well i have easy debian chroot | 03:22 |
| johnx | there's some support for debian lenny and we'd love someone to help us finish it up. it sounds like you're passionate about this, so give us a hand :> | 03:22 |
| johnx | guysoft42, you can install mer to mmc card or internal flash | 03:22 |
| man_in_pda | you fix my wpa-eap/pap problem and you've got a deal! | 03:22 |
| guysoft42 | johnx, how? carnt i just dd it? | 03:22 |
| johnx | man_in_pda, does it work via /etc/network/interfaces and wpasupplicant? does it work with network-manager? if yes then it's already done | 03:23 |
| johnx | guysoft42, you don't want to dd it. you either need to flash it to your internal flash with mtd utils or untar it on your mmc/sd card | 03:23 |
| guysoft42 | still reboots :((( | 03:24 |
| man_in_pda | johnx, is there network-manager and wpa-supplicant packaged for maemo? | 03:24 |
| guysoft42 | i removed connection manager, pc connectivity.. | 03:24 |
| johnx | man_in_pda, nope. it's for mer. :> | 03:24 |
| guysoft42 | johnx, are you using another language apart form english on your device? | 03:24 |
| johnx | guysoft42, nope | 03:24 |
| man_in_pda | so how does that help me? :) | 03:24 |
| johnx | man_in_pda, you work on the debian support and you get working wireless and your favorite distro :D | 03:25 |
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| johnx | Nokia's driver doesn't support Linux wext out of the box, so no wpasupplicant on maemo | 03:25 |
| man_in_pda | i got this thing to Just Work(TM) | 03:25 |
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| johnx | heh. you know you want to hack :) | 03:26 |
| man_in_pda | i don't really want to change the os | 03:26 |
| johnx | then dual boot? | 03:26 |
| johnx | I got mine to just work as well so I could hack on my zaurus | 03:27 |
| johnx | I even resisted hacking on it for about a year or so | 03:27 |
| man_in_pda | would likely be annoying. is there a neat howto? | 03:27 |
| johnx | just run the mer installer it and it will install to sd card | 03:27 |
| johnx | give you a nice bootmenu at the start | 03:27 |
| johnx | You might want to wait for the .12 release coming in the next couple days | 03:27 |
| man_in_pda | i don't mind hacking but i want this pap thing fixed first | 03:28 |
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| johnx | man_in_pda, ask nokia why they didn't decide 1) open source their connection manager or 2) at least provide linux wireless extensions support in their wifi driver | 03:28 |
| johnx | without those it's pretty hard to do anything about the situation in maemo | 03:29 |
| man_in_pda | and i'm getting sick of the background in xchat's input box | 03:29 |
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| johnx | does one of the bugs filed for it have a workaround? | 03:30 |
| man_in_pda | johnx, yeah, would be a lot easier with wext and wpa-supplicant backend, which they really SHOULD have done ages ago | 03:31 |
| man_in_pda | the pap problem or the xchat problem? :P | 03:31 |
| johnx | the pap problem | 03:31 |
| johnx | as for xchat, are you using a dark theme or something? | 03:31 |
| man_in_pda | dark on light hurts my eyes in xchat | 03:32 |
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| man_in_pda | due to all the other colours | 03:32 |
| man_in_pda | so i've set the text box to light on dark | 03:33 |
| man_in_pda | but input and topic boxen are still light background | 03:33 |
| man_in_pda | with light text | 03:33 |
| man_in_pda | it's like touch-typing without the touch | 03:34 |
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| man_in_pda | also, i don't think anyone has assembled a complete pap auth workaround that uses maemo's connection manager | 03:36 |
| guysoft42 | any other guesses why the keyborad is not working? | 03:36 |
| guysoft42 | keyboard* | 03:36 |
| man_in_pda | which would be ideal for me, although anything equally easy (once installed and configured) is fine by me | 03:37 |
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| guysoft42 | johnx, any idea what our systems have in common that makes them show the bug? | 03:39 |
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| johnx | guysoft42, nokia's usb handling is a little buggy it seems | 03:43 |
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| guysoft42 | johnx, it does work here in one place, but not on the other.. must be a reason | 03:46 |
| joelmaher | guysoft42: you mentioned my name | 03:47 |
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| guysoft42 | joelmaher, ah sorry, ment johnx | 03:47 |
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| joelmaher | np | 03:47 |
| guysoft42 | maybe its something with the storage | 03:48 |
| guysoft42 | johnx, do you have your system on the internal flash? | 03:48 |
| tank-man | still working on the keyboard problem ? :) | 03:49 |
| tank-man | have you tried checking if other people using the same kernel are able to get usb keyboard working? | 03:50 |
| guysoft42 | tableteer, yes.. and i have switch 3 kernels since. and johnx finds the same bug when putting mmc cards in his N800.. i have an N810 and carn't remove the internal flash, as you can imagine | 03:51 |
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| johnx | guysoft42, actually I get reboots when trying to use usb network device mode | 03:54 |
| johnx | host mode works great, but I get the biggest problems when switching back and forth | 03:54 |
| guysoft42 | strange, that works fine here | 03:54 |
| lardman_ | night chaps | 03:57 |
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| guysoft42 | johnx, how come netowrk does not work? | 03:59 |
| johnx | I don't know | 03:59 |
| man_in_pda | does "Use textbox colours and fonts" set the background of the input box for anyone using xchat? | 04:00 |
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| guysoft42 | johnx, do you have easy choot? | 04:03 |
| johnx | nope | 04:03 |
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| * guysoft42 really wants to solve this bug | 04:11 | |
| guysoft42 | can anyone else recreate this bug? | 04:12 |
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| man_in_pda | well i like the handwriting mode :) | 04:29 |
| GeneralAntilles | Never used a Newton, have you? | 04:30 |
| johnx | GeneralAntilles, he probably hasn't even used a palm with grafiti 1 :) | 04:33 |
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| man_in_pda | handwriting takes too long. back to tgyping | 04:44 |
| man_in_pda | *typing | 04:44 |
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| lopz | gn | 04:47 |
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| guysoft42 | tank-man, no | 05:02 |
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| fireun | anyone use the powerpoint like openoffice app? | 05:09 |
| man_in_pda | impress? | 05:10 |
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| fireun | man_in_pda: yes? | 05:11 |
| fireun | is it compatible with powerpoint? | 05:13 |
| KurtKraut | fireun: I intend to develop an OpenOffice Impress remote controler for maemo. | 05:13 |
| KurtKraut | fireun: yes, it is. You can also try OpenOffice in your desktop to test and see by yourself compability. Just download it at www.openoffice.org | 05:13 |
| fireun | yes, I have openoffice, I have to make a slideshow to use in class, all they have is powerpoint | 05:14 |
| fireun | guess I'll just have to test it | 05:14 |
| man_in_pda | yeah | 05:16 |
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| man_in_pda | only problem i ever had with ppt exporter in OOo was fonts | 05:17 |
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| luke-jr | wow | 05:53 |
| luke-jr | I'm proud of my N810 | 05:53 |
| luke-jr | it installed all 10 apps while I was gone | 05:53 |
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| shubhambaheti | hi | 08:01 |
| shubhambaheti | anybody ported camerabin ? | 08:01 |
| shubhambaheti | anybody here | 08:01 |
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| man_in_pda | nope | 08:03 |
| man_in_pda | not even you | 08:03 |
| man_in_pda | in fact, especially not you | 08:04 |
| shubhambaheti | yeah | 08:04 |
| Macer | hello | 08:06 |
| Macer | Stskeeps: you around? | 08:06 |
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| Stskeeps | Macer: yeah, but leaving in 5 | 08:10 |
| Macer | just wanted to make sure you got it | 08:10 |
| Stskeeps | well, it's at the post office and picking it up today or tomorrow :) | 08:11 |
| Macer | oh. thought you were back already | 08:11 |
| Stskeeps | yeah, last evening | 08:11 |
| Macer | ok. just let me know when you get it | 08:11 |
| Stskeeps | yep | 08:11 |
| Macer | just want to make sure it made it there | 08:11 |
| Stskeeps | will do | 08:11 |
| Macer | ok.. ttyl | 08:12 |
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| RST38h | moo all | 08:16 |
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| fuzzy | Does pidgin work with the maemo sdk for arm? | 08:48 |
| johnx_ | you mean, will it run in the sdk? | 08:50 |
| johnx_ | that's a firm maybe | 08:50 |
| johnx_ | it runs on the device, but since it relies on the connection manager (I think) it might not behave in the SDK emulator thing | 08:51 |
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| thux | morning | 08:52 |
| johnx_ | morning thux | 08:52 |
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| Jaffa | Morning, all | 09:31 |
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| Stskeeps | morning, Jaffa | 09:31 |
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| johnx_ | the htc touch pro 2 looks impressively similar to an n810 ... | 09:44 |
| Stskeeps | just shows nokia has been ahead for quite a while | 09:45 |
| Stskeeps | which is why i think rx-51 will make an interesting splash | 09:45 |
| johnx_ | ahead but running on the other side of the street :) | 09:45 |
| johnx_ | or ahead but in a different race maybe... | 09:45 |
| Stskeeps | one of these days i'd like to sit down and talk history with the maemo people | 09:46 |
| Stskeeps | just what decisions was made originally | 09:46 |
| johnx_ | in some ways it seems like Nokia really does care about the long game and the big picture | 09:47 |
| johnx_ | cause it certainly hasn't been about playign the short game... | 09:48 |
| Stskeeps | i have a pretty good idea where they're going | 09:49 |
| Stskeeps | especially after considering some talks i had with a nokia research guy at a conference | 09:49 |
| Stskeeps | did i tell you launchpad (the facists) refused our .po files cos of it being actual msgids, and not english strings? | 09:50 |
| Stskeeps | like, tana_fi_internet | 09:50 |
| johnx_ | ah. I heard mumblings about that but didn't realize it was actually a human being who refused them | 09:50 |
| johnx_ | I thought it was some technical limitation | 09:51 |
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| Stskeeps | after a whole month | 09:51 |
| Stskeeps | 'lo alextreme | 09:51 |
| * johnx_ sighs | 09:51 | |
| Stskeeps | johnx_: anyway, claudius will head up the transifex stuff with maemo.org | 09:52 |
| johnx_ | well, that's good at least | 09:52 |
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| Stskeeps | hello v6sa | 09:52 |
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| v6sa | yes? | 10:02 |
| v6sa | Stskeeps: yes? | 10:03 |
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| Stskeeps | just saying hi :P | 10:03 |
| v6sa | haha | 10:03 |
| v6sa | you are? | 10:03 |
| Stskeeps | .. actually because i mistook this channel for #mer, but yeah :) | 10:04 |
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| v6sa | Anybody knows why I can't listen to mp3 or ogg streams from Icecast server? | 10:11 |
| v6sa | with the Maemo player | 10:11 |
| v6sa | I installed OGG support plugin | 10:11 |
| v6sa | For example any of these streams: http://v6sa.itcollege.ee:8500/ | 10:11 |
| v6sa | SCP streams seem to be working (Microsoft Multimedia Server?) | 10:12 |
| Stskeeps | dear god.. just got an e-mail on "Increase female libido" and cos i have read too many fremantle posts recently, i read it as "increase fremantle libido" | 10:15 |
| johnx_ | O_o; | 10:15 |
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| johnx_ | bad n800! stay away from my leg! stop that! | 10:15 |
| * luke-jr tiptoes ouot. | 10:15 | |
| luke-jr | out* | 10:15 |
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| luke-jr | johnx_: I don't think you will have much luck in babies unless you change your plan drastically. | 10:23 |
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| luke-jr | night | 10:23 |
| johnx_ | O_o; | 10:24 |
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| aquatix | Stskeeps: O_o | 10:24 |
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| Stskeeps | morn rkirti | 10:33 |
| rkirti | morning Stskeeps | 10:34 |
| * rkirti is wondering about the set-up I need to be doing for the GSoC,all others are hosting their projects at garage (or so I assume), but they are doing real development ... | 10:35 | |
| Stskeeps | good question really.. is OE git-based or how was it? | 10:35 |
| rkirti | yup, they shifted from monotone to git sometime back | 10:36 |
| Stskeeps | i have trouble with stuff like Mer too, as we aren't a traditional Maemo project - garage focuses on specific projects and packages | 10:36 |
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| Stskeeps | whereas we have 100+ bzr branches, heh | 10:37 |
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| Stskeeps | gave any thought to the copenhagen developer meeting btw? since you GSoCies get priority too | 10:37 |
| rkirti | Stskeeps: I spoke to VDVsx..he said I should be speaking to my mentor , as mentor -student pairs have more likelihood | 10:38 |
| Stskeeps | yeah | 10:38 |
| Stskeeps | florian is .de based so it should be possible i guess | 10:38 |
| Stskeeps | (as far as i recall) | 10:38 |
| * Stskeeps just drove through germany and poland yesterday | 10:39 | |
| Stskeeps | 14 hour drive, phew :P | 10:39 |
| rkirti | I am not particularly sure if I should be applying, since I dont know much apart from OE. As I had said earlier, I would like to | 10:40 |
| Stskeeps | well, it's also for development of the maemo community - so | 10:40 |
| rkirti | be involved, even if its over IRC. But I really doubt if my asking for sponsorship is justified | 10:40 |
| Stskeeps | and it's a good way to kickstart things with mentor and other people in the community, and networking | 10:40 |
| Stskeeps | your job oppurtunities may certainly increase :) | 10:40 |
| Stskeeps | and i'll be there and hopefully some more Mer people as well | 10:41 |
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| * rkirti shall speak to Florian about it. | 10:43 | |
| * Stskeeps ponders how many nokians will be there | 10:43 | |
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| Macer | heh | 10:55 |
| Macer | i will hav eto drive 5 hours to cleveland today | 10:55 |
| Macer | europe must be interesting in that you can drive through many countries instead of like here where you just travel through states | 10:56 |
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| Macer | i guess you can drive through mexico but that would take days before you get to south america and go through one country every 2 hours | 10:57 |
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| till- | especially if you can get cheap fuel and other stuff right behind the border | 11:07 |
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| Macer | till-: heh. well.. in the US it is state by state | 11:12 |
| Macer | you can find cheaper fuel just outside the state border | 11:12 |
| till- | here it's mostly the same | 11:14 |
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| till- | a great thing is schengen i think, traveling without passport control | 11:15 |
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| till- | unless you are from a non-schengen country | 11:16 |
| glass | Macer: theres some downsides to it too | 11:17 |
| glass | Macer: start from germany and head straight east and you'll notice them | 11:17 |
| glass | sooner or later | 11:17 |
| till- | :) | 11:18 |
| Macer | hahha | 11:18 |
| Macer | like euro trip ? :) | 11:18 |
| Macer | "A nickel?? *SLAP* I quit.. I open my own hotel now!" | 11:18 |
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| glass | Macer: eurotrip didn't go toooooooo much east :D | 11:20 |
| glass | they'd have had visa probs and such if they had | 11:21 |
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| X-Fade | Hmm too bad about last.fm. | 11:40 |
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| johnx_ | yeah, and a shame about pandora radio too | 11:40 |
| aquatix | X-Fade: hm? | 11:41 |
| * aquatix did miss something? | 11:41 | |
| johnx_ | mumble, mumble, RIAA will be first up against the wall when the revolution comes ... | 11:41 |
| X-Fade | Free is always a bad business model to start of with. | 11:41 |
| X-Fade | But yeah.. | 11:41 |
| X-Fade | aquatix: No longer free. | 11:41 |
| X-Fade | aquatix: Every free account gets 30 songs and then you have to pay.. | 11:42 |
| dneary | Hi | 11:43 |
| dneary | X-Fade: In your mind, what's the difference between "Get involved" and "Contribute"? | 11:43 |
| dneary | (same question to everyone) | 11:43 |
| dneary | X-Fade: A shame, and yet €3 per month isn't a lot | 11:43 |
| dneary | I will probably sign up | 11:44 |
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| X-Fade | Involved in a project is more than contributing? | 11:44 |
| dneary | X-Fade: http://maemo.org/community | 11:44 |
| X-Fade | dneary: Yeah, it is not too much. | 11:44 |
| glass | involved might mean just throwing your hands in the air generally doing nothing | 11:44 |
| dneary | "Get involved" is a 404 right now | 11:44 |
| X-Fade | dneary: But I think it will put off a lot of people and thus killing the service? | 11:44 |
| aquatix | X-Fade: ah | 11:44 |
| dneary | But I'm trying to think what information you'd put there that isn't already in http://maemo.org/community/contribute | 11:45 |
| dneary | X-Fade: Perhaps | 11:45 |
| dneary | X-Fade: I think that people are ready to pay not much money for a valuable service | 11:45 |
| X-Fade | dneary: Yeah, but all data is supplied by their users? | 11:46 |
| dneary | See Flickr, Basecamp, etc. | 11:46 |
| glass | i pay for flickr | 11:46 |
| X-Fade | dneary: Less users => less acurate? | 11:46 |
| glass | it's convinient | 11:46 |
| dneary | X-Fade: Perhaps | 11:46 |
| dneary | glass: I don't | 11:46 |
| dneary | But I have just recently hit all their limits (albums, photo uploads in a day, and total uploads) | 11:47 |
| dneary | So I'm considering upgrading | 11:47 |
| glass | yep not having limits greatly improves it's usage | 11:47 |
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| X-Fade | dneary: Hmm another thing about that contribute page: Why are the links in the text not orange :) | 11:48 |
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| dneary | X-Fade: Because you've clicked on them already | 11:50 |
| X-Fade | dneary: No, was specified in css. | 11:50 |
| dneary | X-Fade: I pointed this out to Neithan | 11:50 |
| dneary | Shouldn't have been | 11:50 |
| X-Fade | dneary: Should be better now ;) | 11:50 |
| X-Fade | dneary: because of div class="sections" | 11:51 |
| X-Fade | dneary: I think that whole div can just go. | 11:51 |
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| dneary | It was supposed to be a <ul> | 11:52 |
| X-Fade | dneary: No higher up.. | 11:53 |
| dneary | X-Fade: Error trying to edit a page: Fatal error: Call to a member function get_array() on a non-object in /mnt/netapp/pear/midcom/lib/midcom/helper/_styleloader.php(637) : eval()'d code on line 4 | 11:53 |
| X-Fade | dneary: Does it save it anyway? | 11:53 |
| dneary | I don't get the form | 11:53 |
| dneary | This isn't when I save | 11:54 |
| dneary | It's before I get a chance to edit | 11:54 |
| X-Fade | which page? | 11:55 |
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| lardman | morning all | 12:22 |
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| RST38h | X-Fade: There appears to be a problem with karma again | 12:27 |
| X-Fade | RST38h: What's up? | 12:27 |
| RST38h | X-Fade: my profile does not show itt thanks | 12:27 |
| RST38h | Probably does not show some other stuff because the numbers do not add up | 12:28 |
| dneary | X-Fade: Sorry - community/contribute | 12:31 |
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| X-Fade | RST38h: The karma value is correct indeed. The thanks just isn't displayed. | 12:34 |
| X-Fade | RST38h: Which is weird. | 12:34 |
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| Gwl | hi, we are having a problem creating a new maemo garage project.. after submitting it says "Please describe your Registration Purpose in a more comprehensive manner" | 12:41 |
| X-Fade | Gwl: Is your text very short? | 12:42 |
| Gwl | the description should certainly be specific enough.. is there some hard word count or is this just some weird bug? | 12:42 |
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| X-Fade | thopiekar: Hi | 12:43 |
| thopiekar | hi X-Fade :) | 12:43 |
| thopiekar | hi all :P | 12:43 |
| X-Fade | thopiekar: Yesterday we removed the libasound you uploaded, because that is a system lib. | 12:44 |
| X-Fade | thopiekar: And installing breaks people's osso-softare-version. | 12:44 |
| thopiekar | aah ok... I just uploaded it and upgraded it on my device.. and mine was breaked.. I just wanted to inform you about that but nobody replied.. | 12:45 |
| thopiekar | :| | 12:45 |
| mikkov_ | system packages should be automatically rejected | 12:46 |
| X-Fade | mikkov_: Yeah, we would need to check against a list. | 12:46 |
| thopiekar | or special limitations to upload it.. | 12:47 |
| thopiekar | how is the path called where the desktop files for the menu are stored? | 12:47 |
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| thopiekar | I need it to know how the command is called to open "navicore".. a user on n800.de has trouble using it on os2006 @ N770.. | 12:55 |
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| thopiekar | so I want to look into the *.desktop file.. | 12:55 |
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| RST38h | Anyone can enlighten me on how to change total memory size in Linux kernel? | 13:03 |
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| lardman | hmm, username string doesn't fit in the box at the top of maemo.org | 13:14 |
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| lardman | whoa, my profile page is broken too | 13:14 |
| lardman | and my discussion is still very low | 13:14 |
| lardman | just checked as RST38h said something about it | 13:15 |
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| RST38h | the profile prblems have been present before, in the old design | 13:15 |
| lardman | is this knackered for everyone else too? Is this a known issue?: http://maemo.org/profile/view/lardman/ | 13:15 |
| RST38h | with some fields not showing up | 13:15 |
| lardman | I've just got lots of code shown | 13:15 |
| X-Fade | lardman: I'm debugging it ;) | 13:17 |
| X-Fade | lardman: That is why you see data ;) | 13:17 |
| lardman | ah I see | 13:17 |
| lardman | see if you can debug why I still don;t get much karma for mailing list posts while you're at it ;) | 13:17 |
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| X-Fade | RST38h: your problem has been fixed. | 13:26 |
| RST38h | X-Fade: thanks =) | 13:27 |
| lardman | go X-Fade, you're on a roll :) | 13:27 |
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| * lardman considers more coffee to offset the late night | 13:30 | |
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| Stskeeps | Jaffa: RSS on mer page is messing up | 13:46 |
| Stskeeps | it double shows the messages | 13:46 |
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| thopiekar | X-Fade: PING | 13:57 |
| X-Fade | thopiekar: yep | 13:57 |
| thopiekar | do you have some connections to the admins of forum.nokia.com? | 13:58 |
| X-Fade | thopiekar: Not directly no. | 13:59 |
| X-Fade | thopiekar: What's up? | 13:59 |
| thopiekar | I registered myself on the site and typed in the wrong email.. so my login name is now not available.. | 13:59 |
| X-Fade | thopiekar: Ouch ;) | 14:00 |
| thopiekar | and I just cant find any email-address on the site to get in contact with them | 14:00 |
| thopiekar | :| | 14:00 |
| Stskeeps | X-Fade: btw, claudius henrichs will be working on proposals on how we can start playing with Transifex & Mer (with the shared strings with Maemo initially, hopefully using fremantle beta strings as a offset) and maemo.org | 14:01 |
| Stskeeps | (he's heading up our localization area) | 14:01 |
| thopiekar | -.-' I found a formular to contact them but I need to login.. | 14:03 |
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| Stskeeps | X-Fade: and i assume those proposals would be best to push through maemo.org sprint process and such? | 14:06 |
| thopiekar | lol.. the "request-a-new-password" side says that the user "thopiekar" isn't available in the db.. and on the other side its not possible to re-register.. stupid forum :| | 14:06 |
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| thux | is it nokia's forum? | 14:07 |
| thopiekar | yes | 14:07 |
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| jagguli | hi is there a way to install *.install files from the terminal | 14:08 |
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| thopiekar | I just typed in the wrong email at the first time.. and I can't re-register, login and get in contact with the admins of the site.. | 14:08 |
| roope | for the idle speculation theme, i've got only one thing to add: http://tinyurl.com/c2dr7m | 14:08 |
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| thopiekar | thux: are you a member of nokia's forum? | 14:09 |
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| Stskeeps | roope: they're attachable to n8x0s, maybe :> | 14:09 |
| iListenU | Where can be problem? here's screen: http://parduoduv.puslapiai.lt/ (in top)? What i need to do to solve it?? | 14:09 |
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| Stskeeps | yes, leave without getting a answer | 14:10 |
| Stskeeps | or spamming, lovely | 14:10 |
| thux | thopiekar: not sure :) but i pinged one nokia's admins if he knows whaat can be done | 14:10 |
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| thopiekar | thux: great! thanks! | 14:11 |
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| thopiekar | btw. is it possible to control these "usb missile launchers" with a tablet? | 14:12 |
| thopiekar | (driver) | 14:12 |
| Stskeeps | anything's possible | 14:12 |
| Stskeeps | :P | 14:12 |
| thopiekar | ;P | 14:12 |
| * thopiekar is thinking about making a "usb missile launchers"-war at school :D | 14:13 | |
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| thopiekar | Stskeeps: what about these rocket launchers with webcams? | 14:16 |
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| thopiekar | http://tinyurl.com/d97sm4 | 14:16 |
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| thux | thopiekar: you can't login to forum now? | 14:19 |
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| Whits1 | hello | 14:21 |
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| thopiekar | thux: no | 14:22 |
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| thopiekar | whats the name of the admin @ freenode? | 14:23 |
| thopiekar | ^ thux | 14:24 |
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| Whits1 | i do have a little issue here, i try to install cairo 1.8.6 in my scratchbox with maemo installed. Well first the configuration complains about a old version of pixman <0.12.0, so i downloaded 0.15.0, and installed it (its now in /usr/local/lib/pkgconfig/). But even now the cairo config complains about the version... | 14:24 |
| Whits1 | any idea? | 14:24 |
| Whits1 | is there a "ready to use" scratchbox package of cairo 1,8,6 or 1,8,4 | 14:25 |
| lardman | thopiekar: does it do automatic tracking? | 14:25 |
| lardman | I'm sure it could be made to anyway, sounds fun | 14:26 |
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| thopiekar | no manual.. I don't have one but i think it should be programable.. somethink like motion detection should be useful.. | 14:27 |
| thopiekar | :) | 14:27 |
| lardman | pymissle | 14:27 |
| lardman | pymissile even | 14:27 |
| thopiekar | the one without webcams could be enough... | 14:28 |
| lardman | http://code.google.com/p/pymissile/ | 14:28 |
| thopiekar | we could use the tablets webcams then.. | 14:28 |
| lardman | yeah, could always attach a separate webcam | 14:28 |
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| lardman | I wonder if I could program it to hunt and destroy the wasps in my office... | 14:29 |
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| thux | i like maemo sudser is it possible to set pc ubuntu sudo same way? | 14:30 |
| lardman | someone's just done that using a laser to zap mozzies | 14:30 |
| thopiekar | but these usb launchers work on linux, right? in the descriptions there is just win-os's in the list.. | 14:30 |
| radic | is the softwarekeyboard not listed in /dev? | 14:30 |
| thopiekar | thux: yes.. | 14:30 |
| lardman | thopiekar: see pymissile | 14:31 |
| thopiekar | just add yourself to the group 'root'.. | 14:31 |
| thopiekar | lardman: k | 14:31 |
| thopiekar | thux: .. and .. mom plz | 14:31 |
| thux | thopiekar: thanks i tried sudoers lines without luck | 14:32 |
| Stskeeps | radic: no, it's not a input device like that | 14:32 |
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| thopiekar | add to the end of the sudoers file in /etc/ : <%root ALL=NOPASSWD:ALL> | 14:32 |
| thopiekar | without < and > | 14:32 |
| thux | thanks | 14:33 |
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| thopiekar | thux: np | 14:33 |
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| radic | Stskeeps: how can I log all typed stuff withe the softwarekeyboard to a file? | 14:34 |
| Stskeeps | radic: no clue. hack hildon input method? :P | 14:34 |
| Stskeeps | it's OSS, most of it | 14:35 |
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| radic | hm | 14:35 |
| radic | Stskeeps: can the unrealircd compiled statisticly? | 14:36 |
| Stskeeps | radic: what's unrealircd? :P | 14:37 |
| radic | -s | 14:37 |
| thopiekar | it seems that radic is working on a input-logger trojaner for nokia tablets :P | 14:38 |
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| thopiekar | lardman: http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=-5930393724587911462 | 14:41 |
| thopiekar | :P | 14:41 |
| lardman | nice :) | 14:44 |
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| lardman | looks a bit glitchy, I wonder if that;'s the programming team for the US ICBM shield project? ;) | 14:44 |
| Stskeeps | same technology, heh | 14:45 |
| lardman | I'm tempted, just too damn busy atm and if I get one I'll probably forget about it | 14:46 |
| lardman | I wonder if a usb pellet gun exists, that would be pretty cool | 14:46 |
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| X-Fade | Stskeeps: Although community translations are on the Harmattan roadmap, we can probably test that earlier ;) | 15:03 |
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| Macer | lol | 15:16 |
| Macer | just have to love the old star trek | 15:16 |
| aquatix | original series? | 15:17 |
| Macer | yeah | 15:17 |
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| Macer | i'm watching the one where the civilization is time accelerated | 15:17 |
| Macer | well ... the 5 people | 15:18 |
| Macer | heh | 15:18 |
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| Macer | the actors are trying to hold still but you can see them shaking... then they have the cheesy cheap hollywood sets :) | 15:19 |
| aquatix | :) | 15:23 |
| GeneralAntilles | dneary, ping? | 15:23 |
| aquatix | back then it was about state-of-the-art | 15:23 |
| aquatix | Macer: i love those sets | 15:24 |
| aquatix | they are so obviously cardboard and paint | 15:24 |
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| dneary | GeneralAntilles: pong | 15:27 |
| GeneralAntilles | dneary, I'm thinking not only are the Hot/Fresh images slightly confusing, but they take up too much vertical space. | 15:27 |
| Macer | aquatix: kirk was fighting one off with a pillow | 15:28 |
| dneary | GeneralAntilles: They certainly *appear* to | 15:28 |
| Macer | haha | 15:28 |
| Macer | after having sex with the accelerated alien.. they cut to a scene where he is putting his boots back on | 15:29 |
| GeneralAntilles | I also think we have way too much whitespace at the top. | 15:29 |
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| GeneralAntilles | Actually, it seems like we could remove the <h1>'s at the top of most pages to help with that. | 15:30 |
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| mgedmin | wow, look at the new maemo.org | 15:31 |
| * thopiekar knows why root is needed to control a usb-rocket-launcher with pymissile.. | 15:33 | |
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| mgedmin | security reasons | 15:37 |
| mgedmin | you don't want an arbitrary user to launch ICBMs and start a world war by mistake | 15:37 |
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| aquatix | Macer: :) | 15:38 |
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| mgedmin | hm, maemo.org logins do not appear to work | 15:45 |
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| mgedmin | the page doesn't redirect me to the https url when I press the [go] button | 15:46 |
| mgedmin | if I go to https manually, I'm logged in | 15:47 |
| woglinde | mged,om file a bug? | 15:47 |
| GeneralAntilles | Somebody already did. | 15:47 |
| woglinde | *g* | 15:47 |
| GeneralAntilles | https://bugs.maemo.org/show_bug.cgi?id=4366 | 15:47 |
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| GeneralAntilles | dneary, X-Fade, what do you think about killing the intro paragraph? http://maemo.org/community/ | 15:48 |
| Macer | well | 15:49 |
| Macer | here goes.. tiem to drive for 5 hours to cleveland :) | 15:49 |
| Macer | blah | 15:49 |
| Macer | i will let rush hour die down a little more | 15:49 |
| dneary | GeneralAntilles: I like it | 15:49 |
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| dneary | GeneralAntilles: You think it's unnecessary? | 15:49 |
| GeneralAntilles | dneary, then I think we need similar intro paragraphs for support/, development/ and the wiki. | 15:49 |
| GeneralAntilles | Yeah, I don't really see much purpose in it. | 15:50 |
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| X-Fade | GeneralAntilles: The problem with these texts is that they are only valuable to the user the first time. | 15:51 |
| X-Fade | GeneralAntilles: After that they get old. | 15:52 |
| X-Fade | GeneralAntilles: But for a new user it can give a better understanding. | 15:52 |
| GeneralAntilles | There are an awful lot of pages that need to be killed | 15:52 |
| * mgedmin looks around for a spare flamethrower for GeneralAntilles | 15:53 | |
| RST38h | menu at the right needs to be killed on some pages | 15:54 |
| RST38h | if you already have a menu at the page, the second menu just adds to the mess | 15:54 |
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| aquatix | ooh, new maemo.org is shiny | 15:57 |
| aquatix | i guess you guys already got the report `font in login boxes too big'? | 15:57 |
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| GeneralAntilles | Hehe, anybody want to place a bet on when they think everybody will finally have rolled around to the website. ;) | 15:58 |
| RST38h | aquatix: wazd has done a thorough review of fonts, he has found 6 (?) different font sizes on a single page | 15:58 |
| aquatix | ouch | 15:58 |
| RST38h | #define roll around | 15:58 |
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| GeneralAntilles | visit and see the new style | 15:58 |
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| * aquatix generally just reads the rss feed | 15:59 | |
| RST38h | ah, that should be easy to check by looking at login log =) | 15:59 |
| aquatix | but i saw notions of the new design going live here | 15:59 |
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| mgedmin | same here | 16:00 |
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| guysoft42 | lardman|away, johnx_ hey, i opened a bug about the keyboard, with all the data i can think of. So id be happy if you take a look: https://bugs.maemo.org/show_bug.cgi?id=4374 | 16:26 |
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| Stskeeps | Macer: works just fine and it arrived safely | 16:36 |
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| radic_ | Stskeeps: my n800 is to quiet, is there a way to change that? | 16:39 |
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| mgedmin | plug in a louder external speaker ;) | 16:40 |
| mgedmin | in more practical terms, the nokias have two volume controls: one global for the system and a separate one for the media player | 16:41 |
| mgedmin | set both to 100% to get maximum volume | 16:41 |
| v6sa | anybody has noticed that there is not enough RAM on N810 to run even basic stuff | 16:41 |
| v6sa | ? | 16:41 |
| mgedmin | it won't be very loud anyway | 16:41 |
| mgedmin | v6sa: no | 16:41 |
| mgedmin | depends on your definition of "basic stuff" | 16:42 |
| v6sa | browser + music player | 16:42 |
| v6sa | I see 96M active | 16:42 |
| mgedmin | heh | 16:42 |
| radic_ | mgedmin: i did that in mediabox, but it's to quiet | 16:42 |
| mgedmin | the N810 does not have enough RAM to run a browser, yes | 16:42 |
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| v6sa | haha | 16:42 |
| mgedmin | or at least if you want more than one page open | 16:42 |
| v6sa | any suggestions? | 16:42 |
| mgedmin | or a page that actually uses images | 16:42 |
| v6sa | alternative browser? | 16:42 |
| X-Fade | v6sa: Add swap? | 16:42 |
| mgedmin | laptop | 16:42 |
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| v6sa | haha | 16:42 |
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| mgedmin | links in an xterm would work very well | 16:42 |
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| mgedmin | visit more modest websites | 16:43 |
| v6sa | facebook crashes basically | 16:43 |
| v6sa | gmail is okay only in html mode | 16:43 |
| mgedmin | google reader is usable (barely) | 16:43 |
| mgedmin | and I have a swap partition | 16:43 |
| v6sa | me too | 16:43 |
| v6sa | using web is painful | 16:43 |
| v6sa | I would say that this device should have *at least* 256MB of RAM | 16:43 |
| v6sa | 512MB would be better | 16:43 |
| Stskeeps | radic_: i can recommend heavy rock | 16:44 |
| mgedmin | a device with more RAM would be better, yes | 16:44 |
| mgedmin | but a device with a shorter battery life would be worse | 16:44 |
| Stskeeps | v6sa: 256 will be just fine, trust on that | 16:44 |
| radic_ | what are the differences between n800 and n810? | 16:44 |
| v6sa | 128MB is not enough anyways | 16:44 |
| X-Fade | But adding swap really helps. | 16:44 |
| Stskeeps | yes, it is, if you use it wisely :P | 16:44 |
| mgedmin | 5 hours is not enough either | 16:44 |
| radic_ | Stskeeps: i listen to hardcore | 16:44 |
| mgedmin | radic_: the difference is 10 :) | 16:45 |
| mgedmin | basically, hardware keyboard, no fm radio, one minisd slot instead of two full-size sd slots, builtin 2gb flash | 16:45 |
| mgedmin | non-rotating webcam | 16:46 |
| v6sa | any chance of using some webkit based browser? | 16:46 |
| mgedmin | there were alternative browsers for maemo, but none of them usable | 16:47 |
| v6sa | haha | 16:47 |
| v6sa | konqueror from kde? | 16:47 |
| mgedmin | haven't tried that one | 16:47 |
| GeneralAntilles | v6sa, 256MB wasn't feasible in 2007. | 16:48 |
| v6sa | I get 5megabytes reading speed on internal mmc/sd | 16:48 |
| v6sa | is this normal? | 16:48 |
| radic_ | mgedmin: ok, i like the n800 more :) | 16:48 |
| mgedmin | fennec is kinda nice from the user interface perspective, but current betas aren't fast enough and use too much ram | 16:48 |
| v6sa | 5megabytes/s | 16:48 |
| mgedmin | radic_: that's what I thought before I bought a n810 | 16:48 |
| GeneralAntilles | v6sa, 256MB only became an option last year. | 16:48 |
| v6sa | yeah I see | 16:48 |
| mgedmin | oh, I forgot -- the n810 also has a built-in GPS | 16:48 |
| mgedmin | which is rarely useful | 16:48 |
| v6sa | what about the speed of internal memory card? | 16:49 |
| mgedmin | the hardware kb is nice | 16:49 |
| v6sa | 5megabytes/s is normal? | 16:49 |
| * mgedmin shrugs | 16:49 | |
| mgedmin | I seek capacity, not speed, from my storage devices | 16:49 |
| GeneralAntilles | v6sa, depends on your card. | 16:49 |
| mgedmin | which is perhaps a mistake | 16:49 |
| GeneralAntilles | and where are you copying from. | 16:49 |
| v6sa | I am talking about INTERNAL card | 16:49 |
| mgedmin | "internal" -- he probably mean the n810's built-in one | 16:49 |
| v6sa | yees | 16:49 |
| radic_ | mgedmin: i've a external gps reciver | 16:49 |
| mgedmin | v6sa: the n810 had two sd slots, one was called "internal", the other "external" | 16:49 |
| mgedmin | your question could be interpreted as "what's the speed of the card in the internal slot" | 16:50 |
| v6sa | yes I am talking about the built-in one | 16:50 |
| v6sa | yees | 16:50 |
| mgedmin | sorry! | 16:50 |
| v6sa | :D | 16:50 |
| mgedmin | v6sa: the *n800* had two sd slots, one was called "internal", the other "external" | 16:50 |
| v6sa | I have n810 | 16:50 |
| mgedmin | the user interface is the same for both n810 and 800 | 16:50 |
| mgedmin | so the meaning of "internal sd card" could be misunderstood | 16:50 |
| mgedmin | anyway, never measured any speeds | 16:51 |
| radic_ | i bought my n800 in jun 2007 | 16:51 |
| mgedmin | radic_: for me the n810 is better purely from the aesthetical perspective, plus the hardware keyboard is actually nice and very useful | 16:51 |
| mgedmin | I was a big virtual kb fan earlier | 16:51 |
| radic_ | mgedmin: i need full sized sd-slots | 16:52 |
| mgedmin | why am I saying that to you? | 16:52 |
| mgedmin | it was v6sa who first asked about differences between n800 and n810 | 16:52 |
| mgedmin | irc conversations are hard to keep track of | 16:53 |
| radic_ | lol | 16:53 |
| v6sa | haha | 16:53 |
| mgedmin | no, it was you | 16:53 |
| * mgedmin bangs head | 16:54 | |
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| radic_ | i can track it withe using xchat on my n800 | 16:54 |
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| mgedmin | this is why I usually just lurk and ignore conversations :) | 16:54 |
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| mgedmin | I have a wishlist for xchat: when I hold my mouse over a nickname, fade out all the messages except those that are either from this nick or mention it | 16:54 |
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| mgedmin | sort of /lastlog, but in the window, and without moving text around | 16:54 |
| mgedmin | and "holding mouse" is bad UI | 16:55 |
| ameng1 | Any news about the next genaration n8XX? | 16:55 |
| mgedmin | maybe something like "ctrl-click" would be better | 16:55 |
| v6sa | any experience with standard debian apps on n8xx? | 16:55 |
| v6sa | like KDE and stuff? | 16:56 |
| radic_ | why was the capslock removed from the softwarekeyboard? | 16:56 |
| v6sa | ah and how can you type @ with the hardware keyboard??? | 16:57 |
| mgedmin | fn+something, iirc | 16:59 |
| mgedmin | radic_: tap-and-hold shift | 16:59 |
| mgedmin | fn-d in the US variant | 16:59 |
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| radic_ | TEST | 16:59 |
| mgedmin | FAIL | 16:59 |
| radic_ | wow | 16:59 |
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| GeneralAntilles | v6sa: | 17:04 |
| GeneralAntilles | ~rx-51 | 17:04 |
| infobot | hmm... rx-51 is http://maemo.org/community/council/community_highlights_for_december_2008-part_i-january_2009-part_ii/ http://www.linuxdevices.com/news/NS9093153240.html | 17:04 |
| v6sa | eh? | 17:04 |
| GeneralAntilles | Just read it. | 17:04 |
| v6sa | any information about how much RAM it will have? | 17:06 |
| GeneralAntilles | 256MB is a safe bet | 17:06 |
| v6sa | thank god | 17:07 |
| v6sa | altough I would boldly suggest 512MB | 17:07 |
| v6sa | RAM chips are really cheap these days | 17:07 |
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| v6sa | any information about when this is going to be released? | 17:08 |
| v6sa | availible for buying? | 17:08 |
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| GeneralAntilles | Not they aren't. | 17:08 |
| v6sa | eh? | 17:08 |
| GeneralAntilles | RAM is cheap for desktops and laptops with RAM chips the size of half the tablet. | 17:08 |
| GeneralAntilles | s/Not/No/ | 17:09 |
| v6sa | yeah right | 17:09 |
| v6sa | what about release date | 17:09 |
| GeneralAntilles | RAM is NOT cheap when you're putting it in with some amount of NAND on a PoP on a little 12mmx12mm package. | 17:09 |
| v6sa | yesyes | 17:09 |
| GeneralAntilles | RAM is also not cheap on battery. | 17:10 |
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| v6sa | release date?? | 17:11 |
| GeneralAntilles | It's not even been announced. | 17:11 |
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| v6sa | :P | 17:11 |
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| GeneralAntilles | 3 months +/- 2 months is a safe bet, though. | 17:12 |
| v6sa | okay | 17:12 |
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| GAN800 | Hmm, I wonder if I could hook up Netflix streaming to the HAVA. | 17:14 |
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| Stskeeps | huh. | 17:35 |
| Stskeeps | why does n800 service manual say "vibra motor" | 17:35 |
| X-Fade | Heh ;) | 17:36 |
| X-Fade | Solder one on yourself? | 17:36 |
| mgedmin | does it say anything about sim cards? :) | 17:38 |
| lopz | hola | 17:39 |
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| Stskeeps | damnit | 17:46 |
| Stskeeps | problem isn't LCD connector | 17:46 |
| qwerty12 | display itself? | 17:47 |
| Stskeeps | interesting, the touch screen doesn't fit the entire touchscreen, heh | 17:47 |
| jdapena | hi | 17:48 |
| Stskeeps | like, display doesn't fit entire ts | 17:48 |
| jdapena | any garage admin available? | 17:48 |
| RST38h | Anyone knows how I can create an ITT poll? | 17:48 |
| RST38h | Is there a howto? | 17:48 |
| X-Fade | jdapena: yep | 17:48 |
| Stskeeps | RST38h: "add a poll to this post" | 17:48 |
| RST38h | Sts: where is it? | 17:48 |
| qwerty12 | Above the "Submit new thread" button in the full reply page | 17:49 |
| qwerty12 | s/full reply/start new thread/ | 17:49 |
| infobot | qwerty12 meant: Above the "Submit new thread" button in the start new thread page | 17:49 |
| RST38h | ok | 17:49 |
| RST38h | hmm I do not see it | 17:49 |
| RST38h | No I do not have it | 17:50 |
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| GeneralAntilles | bergie! | 17:50 |
| GeneralAntilles | Got my screenshot? :D | 17:50 |
| bergie | ah, sorry | 17:51 |
| bergie | I'm on my way out right now, but I'll see what I can do over the weekend | 17:51 |
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| igagis | Hi | 17:54 |
| igagis | does anybody know if it is possible to get device ID from application? Is there any API for that? | 17:55 |
| igagis | I suppose device ID is the same as wlan MAC address | 17:55 |
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| Stskeeps | GeneralAntilles: hint btw, if you can find pointer calibrations, it usually has touchscreen IDs | 17:56 |
| Stskeeps | i have a ls041yd3 for instance | 17:57 |
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| igagis | Any way to get wlan ID? | 17:58 |
| Stskeeps | igagis: ifconfig wlan0? has it? :P | 17:58 |
| igagis | Stskeeps: probably yes | 17:58 |
| Stskeeps | hack that output up? :P or make a syscall to get the info | 17:59 |
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| igagis | ok, thanks for idea, will try to look at that | 18:00 |
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| * man_in_ltop waves | 18:23 | |
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| man_in_ltop | is there a word processor for maemo? i read somewhere it had abiword but i can't find it in the apps list | 18:24 |
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| GeneralAntilles | It's in Extras-devel | 18:27 |
| GeneralAntilles | ~extras | 18:27 |
| infobot | extra, extra, read all about it, extras is http://wiki.maemo.org/Extras | 18:27 |
| * Stskeeps grrs. not lcd connector | 18:27 | |
| Stskeeps | better not be the screen. | 18:27 |
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| man_in_ltop | thanks | 18:28 |
| w0ot | hi, can someone help me with getting ubuntu jaunty 2.2 running on a nokia n810? | 18:29 |
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| w0ot | anyone? | 18:31 |
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| RST38h | Hmm Viliv S5 now like totally out already | 18:37 |
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| RST38h | "Considered 4 hours [battery life] to be decent" | 18:38 |
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| man_in_ltop | yay, abiword | 18:54 |
| man_in_ltop | gnite | 18:54 |
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| * TheFatal con todo el lag | 19:05 | |
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| jagguli | hi is there a way to install *.install files from the terminal .... anyone | 19:15 |
| GeneralAntilles | dbus, probably. | 19:15 |
| GeneralAntilles | Alternatively you could extract the package name and just apt-get install that. | 19:16 |
| jagguli | GeneralAntilles: but i need to add the repos | 19:16 |
| GeneralAntilles | Or that, too. | 19:16 |
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| jagguli | GeneralAntilles: anyidea whats the name of the application manager comand :) | 19:18 |
| GeneralAntilles | hildon-application-manager | 19:18 |
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| jagguli | GeneralAntilles: nope that dont take any params ... | 19:19 |
| GeneralAntilles | Thus my dbus suggestion. | 19:19 |
| wjt | introspect the app manager! | 19:20 |
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| jagguli | GeneralAntilles: introspect success ... but failed to install bzr | 19:20 |
| qwerty12 | jagguli: dbus-send --print-reply --dest=com.nokia.hildon_application_manager /com/nokia/hildon_application_manager com.nokia.hildon_application_manager.mime_open string:"file:///location/to/.deb" | 19:20 |
| jagguli | the app manager has an option to install from file but it failed for the bzr install file ... probably the file is corrupt .. :) | 19:21 |
| jagguli | thanks GeneralAntilles :) | 19:22 |
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| luke-jr | Where to find gpsdriver_0.5.10_armel.deb ? | 19:35 |
| Stskeeps | closed source | 19:35 |
| Stskeeps | apt-cache show should show you though | 19:35 |
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| luke-jr | Stskeeps: I mean the .deb file even | 19:58 |
| luke-jr | Stskeeps: the repository it seems to come from is password-locked | 19:58 |
| luke-jr | :/ | 19:58 |
| Stskeeps | yeah, apt on tablet auths towards it | 19:58 |
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| lauri_ | nick v6sa | 20:17 |
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| v6sa | haha | 20:17 |
| v6sa | I am idiot | 20:18 |
| slonopotamus | hehe | 20:18 |
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| radic_ | Stskeeps: is there a port of wireshark available? | 20:26 |
| Stskeeps | no clue | 20:26 |
| Stskeeps | in Mer, probably, Maemo, no idea | 20:26 |
| slonopotamus | err | 20:28 |
| slonopotamus | maemo wifi doesn't have wireless extensions? | 20:28 |
| Stskeeps | correct | 20:28 |
| Stskeeps | or at least, not new ones | 20:28 |
| qwerty12 | It's why cx3110x is patch to my knowledge | 20:28 |
| qwerty12 | +ed | 20:28 |
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| luke-jr | slonopotamus: mine does? | 20:30 |
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| Stskeeps | 'lo aladds | 20:47 |
| aladds | hi :-) | 20:48 |
| Stskeeps | how goes? | 20:48 |
| aladds | not bad, not bad | 20:48 |
| aladds | been trying to get my N810 to tether to my old K750i | 20:48 |
| Stskeeps | should be easy | 20:48 |
| Stskeeps | i have a k610i | 20:48 |
| Stskeeps | it even does bluetooth PAN | 20:48 |
| aladds | should I use PAN rather than the usual method? | 20:49 |
| Stskeeps | both should work | 20:49 |
| aladds | hmm | 20:49 |
| * Stskeeps had it working without issue | 20:49 | |
| aladds | it probably doesn't because of having an odd provider | 20:49 |
| aladds | (Blyk) | 20:49 |
| aladds | who I have settings for | 20:50 |
| aladds | but it fails | 20:50 |
| Stskeeps | you have the MMS settings and crap on the k750i too? | 20:50 |
| aladds | yeah | 20:50 |
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| aladds | K750i works fine | 20:50 |
| aladds | that does internet, MMS etc. | 20:50 |
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| Stskeeps | hmm | 20:51 |
| Stskeeps | weird | 20:51 |
| aladds | but the N810 won't have any of it... | 20:51 |
| Stskeeps | try PAN and see how it goes | 20:51 |
| Stskeeps | i really love my k610i .. i can tether at bluetooth and through USB simultaneously | 20:51 |
| aladds | shall do | 20:51 |
| aladds | nice | 20:51 |
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| aladds | cool | 20:52 |
| Stskeeps | i have to try if i can tether two tablets to one phone, too :P | 20:52 |
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| aladds | well the reason i use that (and not my E61i, which has a nice qwerty keyboard and uses the same batteries as the N810) is because with Blyk I get ?15 free credit a month | 20:53 |
| aladds | i also want to boot from internal (or external, I do have a 4GB Class 4 card) SD | 20:54 |
| aladds | because i hate running out of space :P | 20:55 |
| aladds | would the 4GB Class 4 be faster than internal? | 20:55 |
| aladds | could i use RAID? :P | 20:56 |
| aladds | it's wierd how it supports HID | 21:00 |
| Stskeeps | it has a Remote Control feature | 21:00 |
| Stskeeps | probably | 21:00 |
| aladds | i can control the tablet from my phone | 21:00 |
| qwerty12_N800 | In Mer? | 21:00 |
| aladds | nah, OS2008 | 21:00 |
| aladds | but Mer would technically work? | 21:00 |
| qwerty12_N800 | My w810 does so in mer :) | 21:01 |
| qwerty12_N800 | But not in os2008 :/ | 21:01 |
| aladds | i've not tried Mer yet, I shall though, looks fun | 21:01 |
| aladds | no sound is a bit of a show-stopper though :( | 21:02 |
| Stskeeps | your 770 contributions are in there, for sure :) | 21:02 |
| Stskeeps | aladds: oh, we got sound working but someone needs to get pulseaudio not segmentation faulting | 21:02 |
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| aladds | ah | 21:02 |
| aladds | cool :) | 21:02 |
| Stskeeps | feel free to play :P | 21:02 |
| Stskeeps | 0.12 comes out monday | 21:03 |
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| aladds | i'll wait for that then ;-) | 21:05 |
| aladds | PAN setup looks like a pain... :( | 21:05 |
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| * Stskeeps should test Mer and PAN .. hmm | 21:07 | |
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| aladds | ok, so if i know i need to connect to the internet via GPRS and I have a proxy server | 21:14 |
| aladds | (given) | 21:14 |
| aladds | i put the proxy in the advanced bit under http, yes? | 21:14 |
| Stskeeps | i guess | 21:14 |
| aladds | hmm | 21:15 |
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| aladds | grr | 21:25 |
| aladds | it's like it doesn't even try | 21:25 |
| aladds | just says failed | 21:25 |
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| Jaffa | Stskeeps: looking into it | 21:44 |
| woglinde | hi jaffa | 21:44 |
| Stskeeps | Jaffa: ta | 21:44 |
| Jaffa | Stskeeps: sodding Jaiku RSS format keeps changing | 21:45 |
| Stskeeps | yeah.. i'm pondering a new way :P | 21:46 |
| Stskeeps | really tired of jaiku by nw | 21:46 |
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| thp | where can I find the .install files for the maemo-extras repository, so I can link my apps on maemo.org to the correct .install? | 21:50 |
| Stskeeps | 'lo thp, how goes? | 21:51 |
| Stskeeps | and | 21:51 |
| Stskeeps | ~extras | 21:51 |
| infobot | hmm... extras is http://wiki.maemo.org/Extras | 21:51 |
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| Jaffa | Stskeeps: should be fixed, I think | 21:52 |
| Stskeeps | ta | 21:53 |
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| thp | Stskeeps: thanks, but i was looking for the .install for tennix in http://repository.maemo.org/extras/dists/diablo/install/ - are the files there not auto-generated? | 21:53 |
| Stskeeps | ah, those | 21:53 |
| Stskeeps | that's a good question, X-Fade ? | 21:53 |
| Jaffa | thp: AIUI, the autobuilder/promotion interface does them automatically | 21:55 |
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| slonopotamus_ | what the crap is that on maemo.org? | 21:56 |
| slonopotamus_ | have you ever tried to open it from tablet? | 21:56 |
| thp | Jaffa: ok, so i'll wait until tomorrow and then contact X-Fade if the files there still do not appear (i have promoted the package to extras from -devel earlier today) | 21:56 |
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| lardman | eveing all | 22:15 |
| GeneralAntilles | slonopotamus_, could you be more specific? | 22:16 |
| GeneralAntilles | Hey, lardman. | 22:16 |
| lardman | hi GeneralAntilles | 22:17 |
| RST38h | moo lardman | 22:17 |
| lardman | sorry chaps, need to vpn, back in a tick with a trailing _ | 22:18 |
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| GeneralAntilles | Jaffa, you want to take a look at improving the icons on the wiki frontpage? | 22:20 |
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| lardman__ | re | 22:21 |
| s7 | hi everyone | 22:21 |
| woglinde | jo lardman | 22:21 |
| s7 | just got my n810, will test it now :) | 22:22 |
| woglinde | hehe | 22:22 |
| GeneralAntilles | Anybody want to write some intro paragraphs for http://maemo.org/development/ and http://maemo.org/support/ to match http://maemo.org/community/ ? | 22:22 |
| woglinde | update it first | 22:22 |
| GeneralAntilles | ~flashing | 22:22 |
| infobot | it has been said that flashing is http://wiki.maemo.org/Updating_the_tablet_firmware | 22:22 |
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| lardman__ | hey woglinde, RST38h | 22:24 |
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| s7 | thx a lot, i need to read wiki, possibilities and so on first, anyway | 22:26 |
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| lardman | hey qwerty12_N800, so how's about it, coming to the next summit? | 22:34 |
| lardman | tell your parents I'm a very good "in loco parentis" role model, I wouldn't do anything anyone else wouldn't when borrowing someone else's teenager | 22:36 |
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| qwerty12_N800 | lardman: hi, I really would love to but, I really can't :(. If there's one in London though... :) | 22:37 |
| qwerty12_N800 | lol | 22:37 |
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| guysoft42 | qwerty12_N800, https://bugs.maemo.org/show_bug.cgi?id=4374 | 22:38 |
| lardman | aaah, I'm disappointed; anyway I've a few more months to work on you! | 22:38 |
| lardman | and I'll be in London on Wednesday so I may come and give you a stern talking to! | 22:38 |
| qwerty12_N800 | :P | 22:38 |
| lardman | lol | 22:38 |
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| woglinde | *g* | 22:39 |
| guysoft42 | lardman, i am right in that bug report right? | 22:39 |
| qwerty12_N800 | guysoft42: i really wouldn't know :(. I don't even have a usb host adapter | 22:39 |
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| * lardman looks | 22:40 | |
| Stskeeps | guysoft42: you did enable usb host? | 22:40 |
| lardman | guysoft42: no not quite, I don't have a usb keyboard | 22:40 |
| GeneralAntilles | qwerty12_N800, don't be lame. | 22:40 |
| Stskeeps | bbl | 22:40 |
| lardman | sorry for the misunderstanding | 22:40 |
| GeneralAntilles | Parents are a lame excuse. | 22:41 |
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| GeneralAntilles | Tell them there'll be at least a half-dozen good "father figures" there. :P | 22:41 |
| lardman | GeneralAntilles: well if you fly into Heathrow I'll meet you and we can frog march him to the summit ;) | 22:41 |
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| qwerty12_N800 | GeneralAntilles: can't help being so. But my passport isn't current anyway | 22:41 |
| lardman | I've got a large suitcase.... | 22:41 |
| GeneralAntilles | Hehe | 22:42 |
| woglinde | lol | 22:42 |
| lardman | I also hear that for short flights the wheel wells don't get *really* cold | 22:42 |
| lardman | s/wheel/undercarriage | 22:42 |
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| qwerty12_N800 | lardman: the suitcase for all the lethal bizzle albums you have? :p | 22:43 |
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| lardman | if you can't live without them.... | 22:44 |
| lardman | :) | 22:44 |
| lardman | T.Rex again! | 22:44 |
| rm_you | :P | 22:45 |
| lardman | http://www.dailymotion.com/video/xgrmf_t-rex-bang-a-gong-get-it-on_fun | 22:45 |
| lardman | I must have been watching a Vietnam war film recently | 22:46 |
| lardman | as it's even a bit before my time :p | 22:46 |
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| thopiekar1 | could some please check whether it's possible to download this torrent? | 22:50 |
| thopiekar1 | http://thepiratebay.org/torrent/4867339 | 22:50 |
| woglinde | nope | 22:50 |
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| woglinde | oh seems to be legal | 22:51 |
| qwerty12_N800 | legal torrents are the boring ones :( (ikea catalogue for this year anyone?) | 22:52 |
| woglinde | the best think with ikea are the hotdogs | 22:52 |
| * lardman likes their bookshelves | 22:53 | |
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| * qwerty12_N800 likes their little, free, pencils | 22:54 | |
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| thopiekar1 | hmm | 22:58 |
| thopiekar1 | is someone familar in torrent seeding/leeching? | 22:58 |
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| * qwerty12_N800 is a good basta^H^Hleecher... | 22:59 | |
| thopiekar1 | I just want to seed it because it's a virtualmaschine with all you need for developting around nokia tablets for the german community.. | 23:00 |
| thopiekar1 | with androidSDK, sb1 + maemo3, 4 and 5 and eclipse 3.3 and 3.4 as editors.. | 23:01 |
| thopiekar1 | qwerty12_N800: have you checked out my torrent, whether is works? | 23:01 |
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| qwerty12_N800 | on a tablet and transmission already has its allocation problems with 700MB files... | 23:02 |
| thopiekar1 | the torrent needs 2.1GB | 23:02 |
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| lardman | thopiekar1: it appears to work for me, 1 seed , 2 peers atm | 23:12 |
| * Stskeeps ponders what to do with the n800 with the display with problems. | 23:14 | |
| qwerty12_N800 | roll it up & puff | 23:14 |
| GeneralAntilles | Server? | 23:14 |
| lardman | turn it into a usb rocket launcher controller | 23:14 |
| Stskeeps | GeneralAntilles: yeah.. did consider that | 23:14 |
| GeneralAntilles | Builder? | 23:14 |
| Stskeeps | it is battery backed up after all | 23:14 |
| thopiekar_tablet | lardman: hehe | 23:15 |
| lardman | was that server or sever...? ;) | 23:15 |
| lardman | thopiekar_tablet: I do like the sound of those lauchers... :) | 23:15 |
| GeneralAntilles | Webcam missile launched | 23:15 |
| GeneralAntilles | Set it up on your desk so people can pelt you with foam missiles. | 23:16 |
| lardman | I want to kill wasps in my office | 23:16 |
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| thopiekar_tablet | ok thanks for the torrent testing.. if you want you can download it and translate gnome by the language-options in the menu.. | 23:16 |
| lardman | I'm ok thanks, bit busy atm | 23:17 |
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| * thopiekar_tablet thought about a automatic aiming by detecting a red dot of a laiser pointer by a webcam | 23:19 | |
| Guest9172_893 | i wanna concil opinion about new vista theme ;) | 23:19 |
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| thopiekar_tablet | for these rocket launchers | 23:19 |
| lardman | I've got a 21W laser in the lab, might just as well aim it directly | 23:20 |
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| lardman | :) | 23:20 |
| * thopiekar_tablet don't want that maemo gets a windows-os | 23:20 | |
| * lardman imagines the laser head mounted to the usb rocket launcher + webcam to see where it's aiming.... -> dead wasps (and blind officemates) | 23:21 | |
| thopiekar_tablet | hehe | 23:21 |
| * lardman picks up his green goggles | 23:21 | |
| qwerty12_N800 | Tried playing classical music to see if that gets rid of 'em? | 23:22 |
| lardman | was wondering if lethal bizzle in mono would do the job actually | 23:23 |
| lardman | but may suffer severe collateral damage | 23:23 |
| lardman | like everyone in the office :p | 23:23 |
| lardman | :D | 23:23 |
| GeneralAntilles | lol | 23:23 |
| qwerty12_N800 | :D | 23:23 |
| lardman | I'm actually tempted by one of those elastic band flicking gun things, might be quite fun | 23:24 |
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| * lardman remembers his childhood | 23:25 | |
| CutMeOwnThroat | thopiekar_tablet, don't run the bluescreen applet, then | 23:25 |
| lardman | cardboard armout to avoid being shot by the paper pellets and all | 23:25 |
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| lardman | s/armout/armour | 23:26 |
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| qwerty12_N800 | lardman: wow, 1957 must've been the days :) | 23:28 |
| thopiekar_tablet | CutMeOwnThroat: the what? bluescreen applet? | 23:28 |
| lardman | lol, only 1978 thanks | 23:29 |
| qwerty12_N800 | hehe | 23:32 |
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| lardman | ~curse the problems of 2D phase unwrapping | 23:33 |
| infobot | May you be reincarnated as a Windows XP administrator, the problems of 2D phase unwrapping ! | 23:33 |
| lardman | seems suitable | 23:34 |
| thopiekar1 | I don't know to who i'm uploading now.. my upload-speed is very slow.. 2-3kB/s! the optimal speed should be 50kB/s.. who of you is downloading from my torrent and where are you from? | 23:35 |
| lardman | not me | 23:36 |
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| thopiekar1 | hmm | 23:42 |
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| pupnik | wget --restrict-file-names=unix broken on maemo. =windows works fine though | 23:52 |
| pupnik | the irony | 23:52 |
| * pupnik lobbs rotten fruit at people who create incompatible filenames/urls | 23:53 | |
| GeneralAntilles | Lou Lobbs? | 23:53 |
| pupnik | hi GeneralAntilles | 23:55 |
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| pupnik | hows the battle going? | 23:55 |
| GeneralAntilles | Hi, pupnik. | 23:55 |
| GeneralAntilles | Which one? ;) | 23:55 |
| GeneralAntilles | I have many. | 23:55 |
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| GeneralAntilles | Ugh, it's 92°F out | 23:57 |
| * lardman heads off for the night, have a good one chaps | 23:57 | |
| GeneralAntilles | Sure glad I'm not spending the summer here. | 23:57 |
| GeneralAntilles | Later, lardman. | 23:57 |
| pupnik | cheers lardman | 23:58 |
| lardman | 92F! about 45F here | 23:58 |
| lardman | night | 23:58 |
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