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| thopiekar_tablet | to all german members of the channel and those who are familar in the german language.. i would be happy to see you in the new channel #maemo.de.. :) | 00:57 |
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| luke-jr | where can I get the Linux sources for Diablo? | 01:54 |
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| johnx | luke-jr, kernel sources? | 01:55 |
| zakkm | anyone have a 12pt gtkrc of nuvoclear theme? | 01:56 |
| luke-jr | johnx: yes | 01:57 |
| johnx | luke-jr, http://lmgtfy.com/?q=kernel+source+site%3Amaemo.org&l=1 | 01:57 |
| luke-jr | johnx: -.- | 01:57 |
| zakkm | hehh | 01:57 |
| luke-jr | johnx: so which oen is it? | 01:59 |
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| johnx | orig.tar.gz is the original source and diff.gz is Nokia's changes | 01:59 |
| johnx | I guess the latest is this: http://repository.maemo.org/pool/maemo4.1.2/free/k/kernel-source-diablo/ | 02:00 |
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| luke-jr | kernel-source-diablo_2.6.21-200842maemo1 ? | 02:00 |
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| johnx | seems like the latest | 02:01 |
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| luke-jr | johnx: and the config? | 02:30 |
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| johnx | something like n800-defconfig | 02:30 |
| johnx | should be included | 02:30 |
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| genewitch | is there a free/whatever navigation application for the n800? | 02:38 |
| genewitch | wayfinder wants $14 a month | 02:39 |
| johnx | have you tried maemo mapper? | 02:39 |
| genewitch | is that the default application? | 02:39 |
| genewitch | that works but won't do routes | 02:39 |
| johnx | the one installed my default is the one that just says "Map" | 02:40 |
| johnx | maemo mapper is something else | 02:40 |
| genewitch | where would i get it, it's not in the application manager os2008.com or maemo.org? | 02:41 |
| johnx | http://maemo.org/downloads/product/OS2008/maemo-mapper/ | 02:41 |
| johnx | it can do routes, but it has to be connected to the internet to plan a route | 02:41 |
| johnx | after that it can go offline | 02:42 |
| genewitch | that should work | 02:42 |
| genewitch | i want to use it for geocaching and the girl needs it to find places | 02:43 |
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| johnx | ah, there's something cool for geocaching...I don't remember the name of the app though | 02:44 |
| johnx | gpxview | 02:44 |
| johnx | never tried it, but it looks kinda neat | 02:45 |
| genewitch | i'll snag it | 02:45 |
| genewitch | i've never used special applications | 02:45 |
| genewitch | really, i had a delorme doodad on my laptop and PDA years ago, laptop to get into the area, then pda on foot to find the bugger | 02:45 |
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| genewitch | it was a huge pain and took tons of batteries | 02:45 |
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| b-man16 | WTF!! - someone is spaming ITT >:( http://www.internettablettalk.com/forums/showthread.php?p=280253#post280253 | 02:46 |
| b-man16 | <gets angry> | 02:47 |
| johnx | we get spam there all the time. no need to get excited... | 02:47 |
| johnx | just hit the flag button and it'll get taken care of | 02:48 |
| genewitch | i should get the wayfinder trial and see how it works, i think it comes out to like $40 a year | 02:49 |
| genewitch | if it is amazing i might grab it, if mapper doesn't do what i need | 02:49 |
| genewitch | the little iblue someone recommended to me seems really accurate, and it also seems really sensitive | 02:51 |
| genewitch | way more so than the other 3 units i've used | 02:51 |
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| johnx | yeah, I've heard good things about it too | 02:51 |
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| genewitch | i hope it can use the external card for it's database, my internal card is almost full because of the map application | 02:52 |
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| genewitch | maemo-mapper, that is | 02:52 |
| bootio | got a question about maemo-mapper or any other gps software for the n8xx series. i want to use the GPS functionality without having an internet connection. is that possible? | 02:53 |
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| johnx | bootio, yes | 02:55 |
| johnx | but maemo mapper uses google maps for routing so you need an internet connection when getting a new route | 02:55 |
| bootio | aww that's how it does it | 02:56 |
| bootio | i figured it probably did something like that | 02:56 |
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| bootio | ok- so basically there is no free map data | 02:56 |
| johnx | there's openstreetmap | 02:56 |
| bootio | that i can just download a the north east | 02:56 |
| johnx | it's pretty complete in some areas | 02:56 |
| bootio | hmm | 02:56 |
| johnx | google maps is "free" as in no cost | 02:57 |
| bootio | yea- | 02:57 |
| bootio | i meant free as in freedom to copy, modify, etc | 02:57 |
| genewitch | well the map application doesn't need an internet connection | 02:57 |
| genewitch | and it has east and west maps for US | 02:57 |
| bootio | openstreetmap or maemo mapper? | 02:58 |
| genewitch | just map | 02:58 |
| genewitch | in os2008 | 02:58 |
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| johnx | maemo mapper can use maps from lots of sources, including google, and openstreetmap | 02:59 |
| johnx | among others | 02:59 |
| genewitch | i wish delorme knew about the n800 | 03:00 |
| genewitch | i really like their software | 03:00 |
| genewitch | their gps receivers are trash | 03:00 |
| genewitch | but, what can you do | 03:00 |
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| bootio | i just want something that works where i don't have to have an active internet connection to get a route planned (as long as the maps are there) | 03:00 |
| genewitch | holy cow, gpxview doesn't need any mapping software, it throws a compass up for you to find caches | 03:04 |
| johnx | is that good or bad? | 03:04 |
| genewitch | bootio: Thomas Guide | 03:04 |
| * johnx doesn't geocache | 03:05 | |
| genewitch | johnx: it's awesome | 03:05 |
| johnx | very cool, then :) | 03:05 |
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| genewitch | haha, mapper has "WIFI Hotspots" as POI | 03:07 |
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| genewitch | johnx: thanks for mentioning gpxview | 03:38 |
| genewitch | that's a pretty awesome app | 03:38 |
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| GeneralAntilles | qwerty12_N800, can you run some ports through the alpha SDK so we can get these people to STFU? | 04:22 |
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| b-man161 | i hate those things >.< | 04:31 |
| Proteous | ewww | 04:35 |
| Proteous | they are all gooey when you smash em with your fingers | 04:36 |
| GeneralAntilles | They kill roaches though | 04:36 |
| Proteous | my farts kill roaches | 04:36 |
| Proteous | ... | 04:36 |
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| timeless | hello world | 09:09 |
| Stskeeps | morning timeless | 09:09 |
| timeless | anyone here know of an s60 app which makes knocking sounds | 09:09 |
| timeless | presumably when people in an im group sign in | 09:09 |
| timeless | i'm borrowing an n80 phone because my e61 died | 09:10 |
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| radic | Stskeeps: btw. do you know an howto where is discribed how to boot from external memory such as SD-card or USB-stick? | 09:17 |
| luke-jr | anyone use Marble for navigation? | 09:17 |
| Stskeeps | http://wiki.maemo.org/Booting_from_a_flash_card | 09:17 |
| Stskeeps | -> radic | 09:17 |
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| thux | morning | 09:40 |
| RST38h | mourning. | 09:40 |
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| Stskeeps | morn | 09:40 |
| Stskeeps | jesus, 3 days in customs | 09:41 |
| Stskeeps | what are they doing to my package | 09:41 |
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| luke-jr | Stskeeps: playing with it | 09:42 |
| L0cutus | 'giorno | 09:43 |
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| Stskeeps | luke-jr: true, tablets are fun :P | 09:43 |
| Macer_ | Stskeeps: get it yet? | 09:44 |
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| Stskeeps | Macer_: still in customs, heh | 09:44 |
| Macer_ | haha | 09:44 |
| luke-jr | I finally broke down and setup cross-distcc | 09:44 |
| Stskeeps | luke-jr: hah-ha | 09:44 |
| Macer_ | i think they are booting it and making sure it isn't spy equipment :) | 09:44 |
| Stskeeps | :P | 09:44 |
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| luke-jr | Macer_: then he'll never get it | 09:44 |
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| luke-jr | since it has a webcam | 09:44 |
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| Stskeeps | luke-jr: not that i in any way appreciate gentoo, - we have a quite well-emulated arm chroot environment with working cross-compiler | 09:45 |
| Macer | maybe searched soem sort of international list and realized i had secret clearance :) | 09:45 |
| Macer | not to mention that if they were to xray it.. it would probably look like some sort of bomb haha | 09:45 |
| luke-jr | Stskeeps: ? | 09:45 |
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| Stskeeps | luke-jr: as in, grab a ARM rootstrap, chroot into it, on x86, and still being able to use a cross-compiler to build stuff | 09:46 |
| Stskeeps | speeds up builds quite a tad :P | 09:46 |
| luke-jr | Stskeeps: but that won't failover to native building | 09:46 |
| Stskeeps | sure, only gcc is accelerated, and could easily fallover to the normal gcc | 09:46 |
| Stskeeps | as normal gcc is emulated just fine too | 09:47 |
| luke-jr | … | 09:47 |
| luke-jr | I mean on the tablet | 09:47 |
| luke-jr | if I'm not on my LAN, I don't want to be stranded w/o the ability to build stuff | 09:47 |
| Stskeeps | heh | 09:47 |
| Stskeeps | nevermind i guess - we have great benefits from our approach | 09:47 |
| Macer | blah. i think i am going to have to use this goddamn artigo as a server or something | 09:48 |
| Macer | just to see if i will have better luck with glftpd | 09:48 |
| Stskeeps | glftpd .. heh, so many years since i used that last | 09:49 |
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| pupnik | http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lkIY9Pl8IU4 | 10:11 |
| pupnik | music video live | 10:11 |
| * RST38h ehlos Sts and pupnik | 10:15 | |
| johnx | hi RST38h | 10:16 |
| johnx | <- caffeinated | 10:16 |
| Stskeeps | morning johnx | 10:16 |
| Stskeeps | i see you keep same sleeping rhythm as in japan ;) | 10:17 |
| johnx | heh | 10:17 |
| johnx | it's only midnight here | 10:17 |
| Stskeeps | ah, 9 hours behind i guess | 10:17 |
| johnx | I just came back from hanging out with some friends at a local cafe | 10:17 |
| johnx | free refills on coffee | 10:17 |
| johnx | got one person definitely rounded up for table duty at LFNW :> | 10:18 |
| Stskeeps | :) | 10:18 |
| Stskeeps | when was it again? | 10:18 |
| johnx | LFNW? 25th and 26th | 10:18 |
| johnx | does OBS have a PPC builder? | 10:18 |
| Stskeeps | i'm not sure but i think it depends on 1) qemu support or 2) actual hw | 10:19 |
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| pupnik | i think growing food, and owning silver is a good fucking idea right now | 10:19 |
| Stskeeps | i have a bomb shelter 10 meters from me, i'll be fine. :P | 10:19 |
| johnx | pupnik, what about growing silver and owning food? | 10:19 |
| pupnik | if you can make money, do it | 10:20 |
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| pupnik | for those who cant... | 10:20 |
| thux | is there a fdisk for maemo? | 10:20 |
| thux | that sfdisk confuses me :P | 10:21 |
| Stskeeps | cfdisk exists | 10:21 |
| johnx | there's even cfdisk somewhere | 10:21 |
| Stskeeps | thux: sfdisk is neat once you tame it :P | 10:21 |
| thux | hehe yeah probably | 10:22 |
| luke-jr | I love how the N810 decides to reboot randomly -.- | 10:24 |
| Stskeeps | watchdogs | 10:24 |
| luke-jr | can they be killed? | 10:24 |
| Stskeeps | yes, but be aware that it is probably for your safety | 10:26 |
| * Stskeeps has no idea if the battery sw works ok when wd's are disabled :) | 10:26 | |
| johnx | it seems to...but at the same time that *would* explain some things | 10:26 |
| Stskeeps | my worst fear when i was decoding BME communication was that i accidentially tripped something, heh | 10:27 |
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| johnx | same fear I had doing this to my zaurus' kernel: //is_fatal = 1 | 10:28 |
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| luke-jr | … | 10:35 |
| luke-jr | so how do I kill wds? | 10:35 |
| Stskeeps | flasher options | 10:35 |
| RST38h | Bacon? | 10:36 |
| RST38h | Hmm...no reaction from the usual suspects | 10:36 |
| luke-jr | meh | 10:37 |
| johnx | luke-jr, flash to r&d mode | 10:38 |
| johnx | the closed source flasher has a flag you pass | 10:38 |
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| luke-jr | I don't want to flash again | 10:42 |
| johnx | it's just setting a flag, not reflashing the OS | 10:43 |
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| jaem | hey folks | 11:04 |
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| jaem | ...it's dead in here | 11:08 |
| jaem | which is said | 11:08 |
| jaem | zombies are much more fun | 11:08 |
| jaem | sad* | 11:08 |
| glass | well they're undead | 11:08 |
| thopiekar | :P | 11:09 |
| thopiekar | jaem: the geeks are sleeping now :D | 11:09 |
| X-Fade | Or just pre-coffee ;) | 11:09 |
| thopiekar | hehe | 11:10 |
| johnx | <- post coffee | 11:10 |
| johnx | hopefully I'll be able to sleep soon | 11:10 |
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| X-Fade | johnx: Yeah, but you are on the other side of the world ;) | 11:10 |
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| johnx | slightly different side of the world than I was last month, but yes :) | 11:11 |
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| jaem | johnx: how do you guys manage to not fall off that side of the world? | 11:11 |
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| jaem | I thought science hadn't figured that out yet | 11:11 |
| jaem | although I guess there was a workaround involving a sphere a few hundred years ago | 11:11 |
| johnx | we had to invent gravity | 11:12 |
| jaem | on a completely different topic, it's great when you leave contacting a prof about something important until way too late, and then they e-mail you back at 12am, 5 minutes after you e-mail them :D | 11:13 |
| jaem | johnx: we're still working on uninventing it | 11:13 |
| jaem | that reminds me... in most sci-fi movies, spaceships that only have thrusters on their rear, somehow manage to take off vertically | 11:13 |
| jaem | is there some canonical explanation for that? | 11:13 |
| johnx | practical doesn't look cool | 11:14 |
| jaem | yeah, fair point | 11:14 |
| jaem | this is Hollywood | 11:14 |
| johnx | Firefly had it down pretty well | 11:14 |
| jaem | they don't care if something's completely wrong, as long as 90% of their audience won't know any better | 11:14 |
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| jaem | johnx: well, that's Firefly :P | 11:14 |
| johnx | I think StarTrek takes care of it with some kind of anti-gravity | 11:14 |
| jaem | and Serenity is a nice ship | 11:14 |
| jaem | I still remember my first thought after watching Wall-E was that they had blatantly broken Newton's laws of motion | 11:15 |
| jaem | Who needs science, anyway? Of course objects decelerate after the applied force is removed! | 11:15 |
| glass | jaem: most scifi writers and tech guys aren't really tech guys who think stuff through | 11:16 |
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| Jaffa | Morning, all | 11:16 |
| glass | (the first tech guys as in 'scifi' tech guys who do the stuff for the shows..) | 11:16 |
| X-Fade | Morning Jaffa | 11:16 |
| jaem | I'm annoyed... I'm having video playback issues on my new laptop, which means my TV-watching is delayed | 11:17 |
| * jaem wants BSG | 11:17 | |
| jaem | morning, jaffa | 11:17 |
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| jaem | from what my friend tells me, it's likely an obscure problem between the player, the codec, and the container I'm using | 11:17 |
| jaem | which he only figured out through reading vague forum posts, and going through the specs | 11:18 |
| jaem | and he didn't remember how to fix it :( | 11:18 |
| jaem | did anyone see today's xkcd? | 11:19 |
| glass | tried another playback solution as a hotfix? like vlc | 11:19 |
| jaem | glass: it's VLC I'm having the issue with | 11:19 |
| jaem | also XBMC | 11:19 |
| glass | jaem: os? | 11:19 |
| jaem | glass: Arch | 11:19 |
| glass | k, out of ideas then | 11:19 |
| jaem | it plays fine on Windows, AFAIK, although I haven't personally tried this set of files | 11:19 |
| jaem | Windows, with WMP* | 11:20 |
| jaem | something tells me that trying to play back HD content with WMP on Wine would make me cry | 11:20 |
| glass | jaem: try mpc in wine with windows codecs?-) | 11:20 |
| glass | dunno, that should be doable | 11:20 |
| jaem | actually, just clicking through the WMP EULA would probably make me cry | 11:20 |
| jaem | glass: mpc? is that the mpd client, or something else? | 11:20 |
| glass | jaem: media player classic, a 'clone' of early windows media player ui, with hd etc stuff helping options | 11:21 |
| qwerty12 | media player classic | 11:21 |
| jaem | oh, that | 11:21 |
| jaem | okay | 11:21 |
| jaem | I'll give it a shot | 11:21 |
| jaem | are the FOSS x264 codecs, etc, readily available? | 11:22 |
| RST38h | moo, glass. | 11:23 |
| glass | jaem: dunno. warez some codec pack :p | 11:23 |
| glass | jaem: mplayer can also use windows codecs, no? | 11:23 |
| jaem | glass: not that I'm aware of, but I've never looked into it | 11:23 |
| jaem | that sounds plausible | 11:23 |
| * glass needs a wakeup | 11:23 | |
| * jaem hits glass over the head with an alarm clock | 11:24 | |
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| * jaem then smashes a mug of coffee over glass's head | 11:24 | |
| jaem | that should do it | 11:24 |
| thopiekar | :D | 11:24 |
| jaem | I don't think I can tunnel adrenaline over IP yet | 11:24 |
| jaem | Avian carrier might support it, but I haven't checked the latest spec | 11:25 |
| glass | that would make you rich | 11:25 |
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| jaem | you'll have to do with Espresso | 11:25 |
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| glass | but i wouldn't stop at adrealine | 11:25 |
| jaem | glass: you would when you got caught | 11:25 |
| glass | at least i'd be spiced up | 11:26 |
| RST38h | "If the backing is placed against a solid surface printed side down, and rubbed, the black dot will transfer to that surface, creating a permanent hole. Tests indicate SCP-133 is capable of penetrating 24" of structural grade titanium" | 11:26 |
| glass | huh | 11:26 |
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| jaem | there's a bus driver or two in my home town who will actually enforce the "no drinks on the bus" rule to point of refusing regular commuters a ride, because they have coffee in travel mugs at 6am | 11:26 |
| jaem | that's just cruel | 11:27 |
| glass | well thats his powertrip | 11:27 |
| glass | pretty lame powertrip | 11:27 |
| RST38h | Replace coffee with chocolate, leave wrappings everywhere | 11:27 |
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| RST38h | Even better, do not leave any garbage to prevent him from complaining, but MAKE LOUD UNPLEASANT NOISES with the wrapping. | 11:28 |
| jaem | :S | 11:28 |
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| Stskeeps | jaem: i don't blame them though, it's bloody irritating to clean up the stuff :P | 11:31 |
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| jaem | no doubt, but enforcing the letter of the law is often inconvenient mostly for the people who follow the spirit of the law anyway | 11:32 |
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| glass | the coffee shop should provide paper bags :) | 11:33 |
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| jaem_ | it's like someone walking into your house, shooting you, and then paying for half of the bill to clean the blood out of the carpet :S | 11:35 |
| RST38h | not really | 11:35 |
| jaem_ | nice thought, but completely missing the point, and not making things any better | 11:35 |
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| woglinde | hi rst | 11:35 |
| RST38h | Drivers are not directly responsible for cleaning up their buses | 11:35 |
| RST38h | moo woglinde | 11:35 |
| jaem_ | hi RST38h | 11:35 |
| RST38h | There is a cleaning crew that does it | 11:36 |
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| RST38h | hello jaem | 11:36 |
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| jaem_ | RST38h: ATI85 is looking purty slick | 11:36 |
| RST38h | so it should | 11:36 |
| jaem_ | although my friend criticized the model selector for being too iPhoney... I'm don't really mind it, and it looks good otherwise - was that what you and wazd were going for? | 11:37 |
| * RST38h just noticed that DirectDraw no longer lets him set 320x240 or 640x480 screen mode with this laptop =( | 11:37 | |
| RST38h | jaem: It is supposed to look iphoney | 11:37 |
| RST38h | Nothing wrong with copying decent UI when you can | 11:38 |
| jaem_ | I didn't think it would happen by accident | 11:38 |
| RST38h | if he does not like it, he can start it from xterm: run-ati85 -help for options | 11:38 |
| jaem_ | yeah, it is decent - I think my friend just doesn't like the stigma that goes along with the iPhone (although the actual value of it is up for debate) | 11:38 |
| jaem_ | okay, good to know | 11:38 |
| jaem_ | he doesn't actually have an NIT, though | 11:39 |
| jaem_ | I was just showing him | 11:39 |
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| woglinde | hm killall ssh is no good idea | 11:39 |
| jaem_ | by the way, what do you folks think about picking up a used N800 to use as an HTPC remote? | 11:40 |
| jaem_ | having web/ssh access would be a plus, in my case | 11:40 |
| yan | I cant find microb-engine in repository.maemo.org/pool/maemo5.0prealpha2 | 11:40 |
| * Myrtti uses her 770 as a home automation remote | 11:40 | |
| jaem_ | although my friend can get good deals on Logitech remotes | 11:40 |
| yan | where is it | 11:40 |
| jaem_ | Myrtti: what sort of automation system do you have? | 11:40 |
| yan | must i checkout microb trunk | 11:41 |
| jaem_ | I had thought about looking into that, but last I checked, it was expensive to get into | 11:41 |
| Myrtti | Z-wave something, I haven't really looked into it :-) | 11:41 |
| RST38h | jaem: just get a real remote | 11:41 |
| jaem_ | and there's only so much we can do in the townhouse, given that its owned by the uni | 11:41 |
| jaem_ | RST38h: any reasons in particular, that outweigh the browser and ssh that I mentioned wanting? | 11:42 |
| jaem_ | if it's significantly better, sure | 11:42 |
| RST38h | jaem: better sits in your hand, has got tactile buttons, can be dropped without regrets | 11:42 |
| jaem_ | hmm | 11:43 |
| RST38h | jaem: does not require additional intercourse to make it work | 11:43 |
| jaem_ | I agree with you on [1] and [2], at any rate | 11:43 |
| jaem_ | partly, I think I just wanted an excuse to get someone else to pay part of it, so I could have another NIT to play with :P | 11:43 |
| jaem_ | although I would beg to differ on [0], possibly | 11:43 |
| jaem_ | I don't actually own an N800, but the N810 fits my hand very well, provided it doesn't have a USB cable plugged in | 11:44 |
| RST38h | Landscape gadgets do not sit well in a hand | 11:44 |
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| RST38h | You are usually supposed to hold them with both hands | 11:45 |
| jaem_ | that's true, I guess, but I don't see it as an issue, particularly | 11:45 |
| jaem_ | oh well, I'll think about it more | 11:45 |
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| jaem_ | it also depends on our choice of Media Center software | 11:45 |
| jaem_ | and whether I get a new desktop, so I can repurpose my current one as an HTCP in the first place | 11:47 |
| lbt | jaem_: great idea..... *huge* project to do it properly (with MythTV anyway) | 11:48 |
| RST38h | Why is it huge? | 11:48 |
| lbt | state and feedback | 11:48 |
| jaem_ | lbt: I like XBMC, but of course, the N8x0 doesn't have IR, and I'm not sure if XBMC supports remote control over telnet, or other backends, which /would/ work with the NITs | 11:49 |
| lbt | you need the front-end UI to be on the device | 11:49 |
| lbt | 'properly' is not IR or telnet | 11:50 |
| lbt | telnet is a network protocol :) | 11:50 |
| lbt | even telnet CLI is just a layered nw protocol | 11:50 |
| Stskeeps | jaem_: BlueMaemo, HID | 11:50 |
| Stskeeps | :P | 11:50 |
| RST38h | lbt: Do not store any state in the tablet | 11:50 |
| RST38h | It is wrong. | 11:50 |
| jaem_ | lbt: I know, but there's a remote control app for Maemo that supports using Telnet, and various other methods, as a substitute for an IR remote | 11:50 |
| Macer | hm | 11:51 |
| lbt | the state is on the HTPC, not the tablet | 11:51 |
| RST38h | Notice that no remote control will save any state. | 11:51 |
| jaem_ | Stskeeps: oh... right *forgot* | 11:51 |
| Macer | been maxing out my cable modem for a week | 11:51 |
| jaem_ | Stskeeps: that would be much simpler, and BlueMaemo is great | 11:51 |
| jaem_ | the UI could use a bit of work, although it's better these days | 11:51 |
| jaem_ | Macer: that's why you need More Internets! | 11:51 |
| Macer | naw. it's going 2.5MB/s | 11:52 |
| lbt | I want a tablet remote that *knows* what 'mode' the HTPC is in and provides a suitable UI | 11:52 |
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| Macer | so it's fast enough ;) | 11:52 |
| lbt | not 'up/down/left/right' | 11:52 |
| jaem_ | Macer: that's nothing | 11:52 |
| Macer | heh.. fast enough for me ;) | 11:52 |
| jaem_ | we'll have 6 connections next fall term | 11:52 |
| lbt | if I wanted u/d/l/r then a $1 remote is *way* better than buying a 2nd hand N00 | 11:52 |
| lbt | N800 | 11:52 |
| Macer | it's my home cable modem | 11:52 |
| jaem_ | Macer: I'm kidding, slightly | 11:52 |
| Macer | heh. i think 2.5MB/s is ok | 11:53 |
| jaem_ | Macer: it's our two cable modems, and four residence lines | 11:53 |
| jaem_ | yeah, it is | 11:53 |
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| jaem_ | but more is always better | 11:53 |
| jaem_ | hehe | 11:53 |
| jaem_ | people often get in serious trouble for tunnelling their torrent downloads over their shell account on the school file server | 11:53 |
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| RST38h | lbt: As I said, any attempts to store state in the remote are futile | 11:53 |
| jaem_ | my uni is a major data-store and processing facility for the LHC, so we have stupid fast internet | 11:54 |
| jaem_ | and a few 15PB storage racks | 11:54 |
| RST38h | lbt: You want to show what state HTPC is in - receive it directly from the HTPC and if it times out, go to main menu | 11:54 |
| * RST38h has been there before | 11:54 | |
| jaem_ | RST38h: where? | 11:54 |
| rmt | Hmm.. the email app isn't showing the summaries of new emails from the panel anymore (although the LED still blinks when it's off and an email is received) .. where did I change that? | 11:54 |
| RST38h | jaem: inside remote controls. | 11:55 |
| jaem_ | rmt: I was getting that the other day, too | 11:55 |
| Stskeeps | rmt: modest will at any given moment try to fuck you over | 11:55 |
| Stskeeps | :P | 11:55 |
| woglinde | hm can someone pointme to a test video which is know to work with libvideoacceleration? | 11:55 |
| rmt | Maybe I'll try the ol' windows trick.. | 11:56 |
| jumpula | reboot? | 11:56 |
| rmt | yup | 11:56 |
| jumpula | that's the oldest windows trick i know | 11:56 |
| jumpula | works still like a charm | 11:57 |
| Macer | hahaha | 11:57 |
| jaem_ | jumpula: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hacker_koan#Enlightenment | 11:57 |
| jumpula | :P | 11:58 |
| jaem_ | hmm... interesting: http://www.reason.com/blog/show/127773.html | 11:59 |
| oli | n | 12:01 |
| oli | n | 12:02 |
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| oli | Testing j2me ssh client :-) | 12:02 |
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| pupnik | reason magazine woke me up jaem_ | 12:06 |
| pupnik | the man who introduced me to it is in federal prison | 12:06 |
| jaem_ | pupnik: I hadn't actually heard of it before | 12:06 |
| jaem_ | oh? | 12:07 |
| pupnik | he fought the government | 12:07 |
| jaem_ | ... | 12:07 |
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| pupnik | we don't want to go there, not in this google-channel | 12:08 |
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| jaem | pupnik: ...okay, I'll leave it at the first few cryptic comments | 12:09 |
| jaem | lol | 12:09 |
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| * jaem checks if the latest GIT of VLC will play his videos properly | 12:11 | |
| jaem | if they do, I'm off for the night | 12:11 |
| pupnik | this is not lol | 12:11 |
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| jaem | pupnik: okay, sorry | 12:11 |
| pupnik | this is a fucking gun in your mouth | 12:11 |
| jaem | no offense | 12:12 |
| pupnik | k | 12:12 |
| pupnik | hope i didn't offend either | 12:12 |
| jaem | I wasn't sure whether you were serious | 12:12 |
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| jaem | anyhow, g'night #maemo | 12:13 |
| woglinde | night jaem | 12:13 |
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| RST38h | Did I miss something? Has government faked the universe while I was away? | 12:16 |
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| rmt | What do you know, a reboot did the trick.. Suuure, I probably could've changed runlevels or restarted the interface.. but it was about time to check whether it would reboot successfully (and backup my customisations). :-) | 12:16 |
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| rmt | So - installing bootmenu, and booting from the external card.... | 12:17 |
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| Stskeeps | pupnik: fodder for your paranoia - thepiratebay people got a year in jail | 12:23 |
| pupnik | fuck you | 12:24 |
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| woglinde | no | 12:24 |
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| tank-man | jail time plus money | 12:26 |
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| RST38h | now, you scared pupnik off | 12:36 |
| RST38h | cruel punks. | 12:36 |
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| yan | anybody related to microb-engine? | 12:44 |
| X-Fade | yan: Try to ping timeless. | 12:44 |
| * qwerty12 wonders what http://vokrug.org/ is about | 12:47 | |
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| yan | :) | 12:49 |
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| thopiekar | qwerty12: what about translating it? | 12:51 |
| thopiekar | http://translate.google.de/translate?prev=hp&hl=de&js=n&u=http%3A%2F%2Fvokrug.org%2F&sl=ru&tl=en | 12:51 |
| qwerty12 | OK, that's better, thanks | 12:52 |
| thopiekar | seems to be a gronmayer-it alternative | 12:52 |
| thopiekar | :P np | 12:52 |
| RST38h | hehe, somebody is ripping off PackRat already | 12:53 |
| RST38h | they are not very good at it, but of course it is the effort that matters :) | 12:54 |
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| qwerty12 | RST38h: Getting the AK-47 ready? | 12:57 |
| jaem_ | http://3.bp.blogspot.com/_a1qyEHxny0s/R7MU5VsYkDI/AAAAAAAAAQo/ElaWK-MKoLc/s1600-h/hello-kitty-1.jpg | 12:58 |
| qwerty12 | lol | 12:59 |
| RST38h | qwerty: Oh yes! | 12:59 |
| jaem_ | apparently it's real - I've seen a picture of the 'artist' at a shooting range | 12:59 |
| RST38h | qwerty: http://www.geekologie.com/2009/04/dangerously_delicious_the_bak4.php | 12:59 |
| jaem_ | not that that proves anything, this being the internet | 12:59 |
| jaem_ | whaa.....?! | 13:00 |
| qwerty12 | RST38h: lol, wut? | 13:00 |
| jaem_ | RST38h: that's just... just... >_< | 13:00 |
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| RST38h | qwerty: I think certain people here just NEED to see this =) | 13:02 |
| qwerty12 | *grin* | 13:02 |
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| GeneralAntilles | Another gronmayer clone? | 13:07 |
| GeneralAntilles | Nice. . . . | 13:07 |
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| RST38h | "This is good news for everyone, in Sweden and internationally, who is making a living or a business from creative activity and who needs to know their rights will protected by law." | 13:09 |
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| * RST38h rejoices and requires daily video dispatches of PirateBay guys being abused in prison | 13:09 | |
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| jaem_ | RST38h: TPB is a commercial venture? That's new to me | 13:11 |
| jaem_ | and how are the Big Media corporations involved in "creative activity"? | 13:12 |
| Blafasel | Pity. Screw the media guys.. | 13:12 |
| jaem_ | I'd be glad if TPB won solely because of setting precedent, apart from the ethics/legalities of their indivual case | 13:12 |
| RST38h | They can't win because they are not settig the rules | 13:13 |
| RST38h | Their opponents do. | 13:13 |
| jaem_ | that's true | 13:13 |
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| jaem_ | and that's exactly what's wrong with things | 13:13 |
| jaem_ | grr | 13:13 |
| RST38h | Well you can't do much about things that are given to you. But you can adjust your lifestyle to live around them | 13:14 |
| RST38h | And if you do just a few careful adjustments, your quality of life will not descrease, and will most likely improve. | 13:15 |
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| * jaem was just reading the TorrentFreak article | 13:19 | |
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| jaem | I liked the comment about how ironic it was that the verdict got leaked before release :P | 13:20 |
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| csaavedra | hello, who can I inquire about the git repos in garage? | 13:23 |
| X-Fade | csaavedra: You can try me and if I can't help you -> ferenc ;) | 13:23 |
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| * thopiekar is now going to upgrade his pc with 12GHz and 4GB Ram | 13:45 | |
| thopiekar | cu l8er | 13:45 |
| Razumihin | 12GHZ? | 13:45 |
| thopiekar | 3Ghz x4 | 13:45 |
| Razumihin | Those don't sum up ;) | 13:45 |
| Razumihin | But ok :) | 13:45 |
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| aquatix | Razumihin: they do if you multiplex them! | 14:00 |
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| aquatix | just need to add a phase shifter here and some flux capacitors there | 14:00 |
| Razumihin | :D | 14:01 |
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| lcuk | aquatix, you can buy flux capacitors nowadays? | 14:16 |
| aquatix | no, need to build them by hand | 14:16 |
| aquatix | so they might be a tad expensive | 14:16 |
| lcuk | yeah no doubts, especially shipping in all that unobtanium | 14:17 |
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| jaem | doesn't the US have export restrictions on unobtanium? | 14:20 |
| jaem | it sounds like the sort of thing they would have it for | 14:20 |
| jaem | grr | 14:20 |
| lcuk | jaem, yaeh they have restrictions on quantity per year, but once you build your first one its a bit easier to work around the problem | 14:21 |
| jaem | -grin- | 14:22 |
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| lcuk | there should really be export restrictions on ream dangerous things. | 14:22 |
| jaem | that reminds me... my laser rod is on order :D | 14:22 |
| lcuk | some of the american tv shows are so bad they should be banned everywhere | 14:23 |
| jaem | lol | 14:23 |
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| lcuk | what kind of laser are you gettin? | 14:23 |
| jaem | it's just the rod, which we're going to try to talk a physics prof into helping us build a laser with, providing the other parts aren't too expensive | 14:24 |
| jaem | and the rod is erbium-doped | 14:24 |
| jaem | it was only $20, which is dirt cheap | 14:25 |
| jaem | the optics could be pricey, though | 14:25 |
| lcuk | optics? i thought lasers used no real optics barring a half silvered end | 14:26 |
| * lcuk has a simplistic view of the world, so i might be wrong lol | 14:26 | |
| jaem | I'm not sure of all the details, as my friend is more into that | 14:26 |
| jaem | but I believe there is some | 14:26 |
| lcuk | heh, im betting your friend was waving his hands around when trying to explain it | 14:27 |
| lcuk | i read the other day scientists have managed to make lasers bend around in an arc | 14:27 |
| jaem | not really, although admittedly neither of us are that knowledgeable in laser physics | 14:27 |
| jaem | but we're interested in the topic, and it was a good deal, so... | 14:28 |
| lcuk | top banana! | 14:28 |
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| lcuk | X-Fade, ping again | 14:31 |
| X-Fade | lcuk: Wazzup? | 14:31 |
| lcuk | nuffin major, its that "page #824 has been commented by" its changed. they are now spoofing the person who made the change | 14:32 |
| * RST38h has seen green laser beams bent in arcs back in Vegas | 14:32 | |
| RST38h | Anyone cares to explain HOW it has been done? | 14:33 |
| lcuk | i believe its the same principle as in bubble chambers of colliders | 14:34 |
| lcuk | effecting the spin and balance (hand waving time) of the beam allows it to interact with the particles in the air and produce an arc | 14:34 |
| RST38h | the beam is made of photons | 14:34 |
| X-Fade | lcuk: Can you forward me a mail? | 14:34 |
| lcuk | RST38h, ill find it in slashdot | 14:39 |
| lcuk | everyone was takin the piss because if you mounted it on a shark it would kill the shark after looping round! | 14:40 |
| lcuk | http://science.slashdot.org/article.pl?sid=09/04/15/0147234 | 14:40 |
| RST38h | lcuk: !!! | 14:42 |
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| RST38h | lcuk: Weird part is, I have seen this long before 2009 | 14:43 |
| lcuk | oh, you have a flux capacitor as well o_O | 14:43 |
| lcuk | how long did it take to make it? | 14:43 |
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| aquatix | lcuk: if you have to ask, you don't have enough time for it | 14:47 |
| * RST38h wonders if there were any controlled substances in the air | 14:48 | |
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| aquatix | RST38h: well, i'm in the air | 14:48 |
| * RST38h bottles aquatix | 14:48 | |
| aquatix | but i'm not exactly what you would call `controlled' | 14:48 |
| aquatix | oh noes, genie in a bottle | 14:49 |
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| ShadowJK | RST38h, the beam is emitting photons, otherwise you wouldn't see it :-) | 14:49 |
| aquatix | those photons are hitting particles in the air and are reflected | 14:50 |
| RST38h | Shadow: Yea, it gets reflected from the dust and vapor in the air | 14:50 |
| aquatix | that's why you need a cloud of dust, smoke or water to make such a beam visible | 14:50 |
| aquatix | indeed | 14:50 |
| RST38h | In the clean air, the laser beam is invisible | 14:50 |
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| RST38h | Still, it does not explain why the hell those beams were going in the arcs | 14:51 |
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| ShadowJK | actually a guy in that slashdot article explained :D | 14:53 |
| ShadowJK | so like it's almost same effect as a mirage | 14:54 |
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| RST38h | Hot air + laser beam? | 14:54 |
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| GeneralAntilles | We need a bot to fix camelCase articles | 15:23 |
| GeneralAntilles | I'm really tired of moving them. | 15:23 |
| crashanddie | GeneralAntilles, write it | 15:24 |
| GeneralAntilles | crashanddie, I have plans for lots of bots but absolutely no intention of writing any of them myself. :P | 15:24 |
| crashanddie | GeneralAntilles, shame | 15:25 |
| crashanddie | as a whole, and on you :P | 15:25 |
| GeneralAntilles | Yeah, yeah. | 15:25 |
| mgedmin | duh, just write a bot to write all those bots | 15:28 |
| mgedmin | (including yourself, then you won't have to do anything at all!) | 15:28 |
| GeneralAntilles | That still requires writing a bot. | 15:29 |
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| RST38h | Maybe just ignore those articles? | 15:33 |
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| RST38h | Just let them be? No? =) | 15:33 |
| GeneralAntilles | RST38h, article naming has to be consistent. | 15:33 |
| GeneralAntilles | So, no, ignoring them isn't an option. | 15:33 |
| RST38h | lock them then? | 15:33 |
| GeneralAntilles | How does that help any more than moving them? | 15:34 |
| RST38h | makes editors think twice | 15:34 |
| GeneralAntilles | I'd abuse them in here, but tekojo's missing. | 15:35 |
| lcuk | GeneralAntilles, whats wrong with the camelcasing and why would shoving them in your bot help? | 15:35 |
| lcuk | are they needed forcingto camelcase or from camelcase? | 15:36 |
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| aquatix | lcuk: well, because there might be two articles: maemoArticle and maemoarticle | 15:36 |
| * RST38h does not get GA's aversion to capitalizing words in titles | 15:36 | |
| GeneralAntilles | Wiki articles are in sentence case. | 15:36 |
| lcuk | case insensitive wiki? | 15:36 |
| lcuk | oooH | 15:36 |
| lcuk | tho thats normal i gather | 15:36 |
| lcuk | still shocks me | 15:36 |
| RST38h | That is how it is done in English. May look weird, but other languages have even weirder practices | 15:36 |
| aquatix | GeneralAntilles: just wondering, aren't there rewrite rules for that? | 15:37 |
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| GeneralAntilles | aquatix, don't have a clue. | 15:37 |
| lcuk | doing a global rename would cause major serious problems then and you throw away the search engine juices flowing into classic articles | 15:37 |
| GeneralAntilles | There are no classic CamelCase articles. | 15:38 |
| lcuk | which articles are worst offenders gan | 15:38 |
| GeneralAntilles | None | 15:38 |
| GeneralAntilles | It's just when certain people create new articles they forgot. | 15:38 |
| lcuk | CamelCase doesnt capitalize the first word does it ? | 15:38 |
| lcuk | or is that java version | 15:38 |
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| * lcuk does all lowercase everything | 15:38 | |
| GeneralAntilles | See, for instance, Nemein backlog | 15:38 |
| GeneralAntilles | http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/CamelCase | 15:39 |
| lcuk | that damned stupid "hot topics" bar on the wiki front page goes over links :O | 15:39 |
| lcuk | (ie the navigation stuffs, i cant click recent | 15:40 |
| GeneralAntilles | Change your layout | 15:40 |
| GeneralAntilles | http://wiki.maemo.org/Special:Preferences | 15:40 |
| GeneralAntilles | Click Skin | 15:40 |
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| lcuk | but i didnt log in? | 15:40 |
| GeneralAntilles | MonoBookMaemo2009 is coming together. | 15:41 |
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| lcuk | whats wrong with the nemein backlog page? | 15:41 |
| lcuk | apart from typos | 15:41 |
| GeneralAntilles | . . . | 15:41 |
| GeneralAntilles | tekojo named it "NemeinBacklog" | 15:41 |
| GeneralAntilles | it should've been "Nemein backlog" | 15:42 |
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| lcuk | then shouldnt the wiki itself suggest changing it to that when you enter it | 15:42 |
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| GeneralAntilles | Sure, if you want to write the plugin, feel free. | 15:43 |
| lcuk | it wouldnt work anyway | 15:43 |
| lcuk | cos i can just do [[generalantilles will shout at me for this title]] or whatever the syntax is | 15:44 |
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| lcuk | and create an article inline from that | 15:44 |
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| GeneralAntilles | Why would you create an article inline? | 15:46 |
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| Talus_Laptop | hello mates | 16:25 |
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| riot | is there a good audiostream-player/manager available? | 16:37 |
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| andre__ | riot, define "good"? :) | 16:52 |
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| riot | aah, "any"? ;) | 16:54 |
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| riot | i just want to create a nice list with streams so i can easily start radio on the go | 16:58 |
| GeneralAntilles | Canola? | 16:59 |
| Jaffa | VideoCenter, Canola, MediaBox, gpodder (perhaps), Media Player | 17:00 |
| riot | oh, shit, i totally missed "internetradio" in mediaplayer | 17:00 |
| Jaffa | :) | 17:00 |
| riot | i mostly play oggs and mp3s ;) | 17:01 |
| riot | thanks :) | 17:01 |
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| lcuk | jaffa, do you run those at the same time :D | 17:24 |
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| cbx333 | any way to change the left/right balance of the speakers? | 17:25 |
| cbx333 | on n810? | 17:25 |
| Jaffa | lcuk: if only the CPU were up to it ;-) | 17:25 |
| Jaffa | cbx333: I'm not aware of a way through the UI. there may be underlying mechanisms which aren't exposed. | 17:25 |
| cbx333 | grr | 17:25 |
| cbx333 | my right ear is slightly deaf | 17:25 |
| cbx333 | and it's annoying | 17:26 |
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| cbx333 | as it "sounds" like the music is coming from the left | 17:26 |
| lcuk | cbx333, if you want to make one side louder than the other i suggest you move your head | 17:26 |
| lcuk | or alter the position of the device ;) | 17:26 |
| cbx333 | I'm using headphones | 17:26 |
| cbx333 | :p | 17:26 |
| lcuk | ahhh lol dunno then | 17:26 |
| cbx333 | so neither of those suggestoins is valid :p | 17:26 |
| Jaffa | Stick a kniting needle in your left ear to compensate ;-p | 17:26 |
| lcuk | my missus is completely deaf in one ear - when things come on that are stereo it just goes completely quiet | 17:27 |
| lcuk | ouchy! | 17:27 |
| cbx333 | Jaffa: prefer not to resort to those levels | 17:27 |
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| cbx333 | what is the underlying audio subsystem on the n810? | 17:28 |
| lcuk | cbx333, if you could set it as a general default (with a script or something) then you can forget about it | 17:28 |
| lcuk | until you get annoyed putting wrong side headphone in each ear | 17:28 |
| cbx333 | lcuk: well that's what I'm trying to do | 17:28 |
| cbx333 | haha | 17:28 |
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| lcuk | all i know about the sound is there is esound interfaces, oooh and i hear theres an alsa? thing | 17:29 |
| lcuk | but im not up on linux audio | 17:29 |
| Jaffa | There must be a gstreamer thing, but I dunno if it's app wide | 17:30 |
| Jaffa | s/app/system/ | 17:30 |
| infobot | Jaffa meant: There must be a gstreamer thing, but I dunno if it's system wide | 17:30 |
| cbx333 | yeh | 17:30 |
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| qwerty12_N800 | cbx333: esd, but alsa programs to control volume work | 17:30 |
| cbx333 | is there alsa-mixer? | 17:30 |
| qwerty12_N800 | kotczarny had a binary up but his site is down... | 17:31 |
| lcuk | ping him | 17:31 |
| qwerty12_N800 | aumix has been compiled for maemo, it's in some repo somewhere | 17:31 |
| cbx333 | anyone here play freera? | 17:32 |
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| lopz | hi | 17:47 |
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| Stskeeps | Macer: through customs now | 17:59 |
| Stskeeps | will first get it in a week though, as im going to poland | 18:00 |
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| orifice_work | can I user a usercontent.css in tear ? Where would it go ? | 18:49 |
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| orifice_work | nm. its in ~/.tear/userstyles.css | 18:54 |
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| qwerty12 | X-Fade: Is there a point to me receiving "page #* has been commented by _anonymous_"? Seeing as anonymous users can't comment... | 18:56 |
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| lcuk | qwerty12, they can rate tho | 18:56 |
| lcuk | the notice is wrong, but its sent when someone changes your record | 18:57 |
| qwerty12 | Why would I want an email notification fora rating? | 18:57 |
| qwerty12 | s/fora/for a/ | 18:57 |
| infobot | qwerty12 meant: Why would I want an email notification for a rating? | 18:57 |
| lcuk | i like it :$ | 18:57 |
| lcuk | what i dont like is the spoofing if it comes from a regular user | 18:57 |
| lcuk | (ie if I rate your thingy you will get an email directly from me saying i did - but i didnt send it | 18:57 |
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| Macer | just broke up with my gf.. blah | 19:11 |
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| Jaffa | Macer: doh :( | 19:13 |
| Macer | heh. it's ok. it was a long time coming | 19:16 |
| Macer | i just put it off for a while | 19:16 |
| lcuk | :( thats a bit shit | 19:16 |
| Macer | oh i'm not too broken up over it.. it sucks a bit.. but not too bad | 19:17 |
| Macer | shit happens | 19:17 |
| neatojones | I once dated a girl way too long | 19:17 |
| neatojones | I kept trying to break up with her, but she wouldn't let me | 19:18 |
| Macer | neatojones: yeah.. that seemed to be the same problem i just had | 19:18 |
| neatojones | Macer: And then she still wouldn't quit calling me. | 19:18 |
| Macer | i tried to break up with her like 10 times already | 19:18 |
| neatojones | led to a mess | 19:18 |
| Macer | hahhaha | 19:18 |
| neatojones | and then she got engaged to the guy that my sister liked about 2 months later | 19:19 |
| Macer | same here. she will start calling and calling and i just really want her to sort of fade away | 19:19 |
| neatojones | Glad I got off that boat. | 19:19 |
| neatojones | bummer Macer | 19:19 |
| neatojones | I feel your pain. | 19:19 |
| Macer | i mean i care for the girl but we seriously want way different things | 19:19 |
| Macer | and i finally got fed up and told her that i just really don't want to do it anymore and good bye | 19:20 |
| neatojones | My brother always said, "A day without women is like a day without rain." | 19:20 |
| Macer | no. women are great | 19:21 |
| Macer | you just have to find the right one which is near impossible :) | 19:21 |
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| neatojones | You need rain to make things grow and stay exciting. | 19:21 |
| neatojones | but, then again, they can get to keep you from other things you enjoy | 19:21 |
| thux | no woman no cry (b. marley) | 19:21 |
| Macer | thux: haha | 19:21 |
| Macer | thux: i still don't know wtf he was singing about in that song | 19:22 |
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| neatojones | Well, I'm married. So, it isn't impossible. | 19:22 |
| Macer | like.. .the rest of the song doesn't really have to do with women | 19:22 |
| Macer | neatojones: you mean you are married *now* | 19:22 |
| Macer | :) | 19:22 |
| neatojones | Just gotta figure out what crap you can deal with for the rest of your life Since no one's perfect | 19:22 |
| Macer | statistically you will get a divorce | 19:22 |
| neatojones | Macer: Yep. Still. | 19:22 |
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| neatojones | Yeah. I keep telling her I'm going to trade her in for a new model* in a few years | 19:23 |
| neatojones | literally...a model | 19:23 |
| neatojones | :P | 19:23 |
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| Macer | hah | 19:23 |
| Macer | ah well.. going to finish cleaning and take a nap | 19:23 |
| Macer | ttyl | 19:24 |
| neatojones | later | 19:24 |
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| lcuk | its the weekend \o/ | 20:03 |
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| Jaffa | Not quite :-( | 20:04 |
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| neatojones | Hey everyone.... go post your predictions: http://www.internettablettalk.com/forums/showthread.php?t=28351 | 20:09 |
| neatojones | qwerty12: What the heck? | 20:10 |
| qwerty12 | Wut? It may be... | 20:10 |
| qwerty12 | Unless my crystal ball is messing me around... | 20:10 |
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| neatojones | I know some people are upset about the wait...but comparing Nokia to Satan goes a little far... | 20:12 |
| neatojones | :) | 20:12 |
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| qwerty12 | I guess I'm not gonna win :( | 20:15 |
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| * RST38h amputates qwerty12's crystal ball | 20:24 | |
| qwerty12 | NOOO | 20:25 |
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| lcuk | lol RST38h dont remove his ball, its the only one hes got left | 20:25 |
| RST38h | In a piece of brighter news, Nokia Download! has changed its managing entity and they now clearly denote which apps are real free and which ones are crippleware (99% of 'em) | 20:25 |
| * RST38h gives qwerty12 his ball back | 20:26 | |
| qwerty12 | Thanks | 20:26 |
| lcuk | neatojones, i would prefer to wait and have a decent experience than rush and get it wrong | 20:27 |
| neatojones | lcuk: I agree with that. | 20:28 |
| RST38h | lcuk: Guess what? You will get both! | 20:28 |
| RST38h | lcuk: You will have to wait and then they will get it all wrong anyway :) | 20:28 |
| lcuk | RST38h, im already happy with my current device, high expectations for what ill manage with the new one, but im not at the behest of others code personally :) | 20:29 |
| RST38h | lcuk: Think Modest. Think Clutter. Think Tracker. Think huge green icons on the black background and dialogs missing "close" button. | 20:29 |
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| RST38h | lcuk: Same here, pretty much | 20:30 |
| lcuk | RST38h, i have huge black backgrounds and no close buttons now | 20:30 |
| RST38h | 'll still be fun to find out how exactly they will screw up this time though. | 20:30 |
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| lcuk | i hate to think of it as screwing up | 20:31 |
| neatojones | I chose May 11 because it's my birthday | 20:31 |
| neatojones | not because I think that's gonna be the day :) | 20:31 |
| neatojones | and July 3rd is the day before the US independence day. | 20:31 |
| RST38h | lcuk: "Every existing user hates it and every new user does not get it" - that is a definition of a screw up | 20:31 |
| RST38h | lcuk: If they get at least ONE of these right, they have got a [partial] success | 20:32 |
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| lcuk | i fail to see how collectively it could be so wrong, we havent seen it all and hence unfair assessment | 20:33 |
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| neatojones | Yeah. It's kind of like seeing an axle and saying it would never work without seeing the wheels mounted | 20:34 |
| lcuk | what we have seen is that the clothes dont quite fit with existing applications | 20:34 |
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| lcuk | but that doesnt mean that apps written with the UI spec in mind will also look and feel wrong | 20:35 |
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| RST38h | lcuk: Just a few things have to be wrong for the whole thing to be unbearable | 20:40 |
| RST38h | lcuk; Like: slow/unstable web browser + broken mail client + background indexing permanently wasting cpu | 20:40 |
| RST38h | lcuk: tablet is not a pc, it does not have that much 3rd party software and only has a few usage scenarios. Break these - and you have got an epic fail | 20:41 |
| lcuk | but this is linux. we are in charge of our own destiny, if the device does not suit your personal tastes you can cure it | 20:41 |
| RST38h | lcuk: tablet being "linux" matters to a miniscule group of people | 20:42 |
| lcuk | you are one of them :) | 20:42 |
| RST38h | lcuk: not really | 20:42 |
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| lcuk | you are here and your software makes up a part of the ecosystem | 20:42 |
| RST38h | lcuk: I want tablet to work. If it lets me tweak a few things (being linux), that is a huge plus, but the first thign I want is that it works | 20:42 |
| RST38h | lcuk: My software makes up parts of Windows, Symbian, Win Mobile, FreeBSD, NetBSD, Solaris, and even MSDOS ecosystems | 20:43 |
| RST38h | lcuk: Hell, I have even got a few things written for AmigaOS | 20:43 |
| lcuk | heh | 20:43 |
| RST38h | lcuk: So, in a bigger picture of things, Maemo is just one platform, albeit a pretty nice one | 20:44 |
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| lcuk | you do make a good point, and im also hopeful its gonna be excellent. i personally think that this is part of the hibernation | 20:46 |
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| RST38h | lcuk <-- is talking like an American | 20:47 |
| lcuk | :O | 20:47 |
| lcuk | i am northern @/ | 20:48 |
| RST38h | Does it matter THAT MUCH in UK? =) | 20:48 |
| crashanddie | yeah | 20:48 |
| crashanddie | lol | 20:48 |
| crashanddie | people struggle to understand him | 20:48 |
| * RST38h vaguely remembers that there is Ireland at the North of UK and the Irish are about as morbid pessimists as Russians | 20:48 | |
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| lcuk | my nokia has to hang around my neck and give subtitles | 20:48 |
| crashanddie | RST38h, lmao | 20:48 |
| crashanddie | RST38h, ireland is west of uk | 20:49 |
| crashanddie | RST38h, and not part of it | 20:49 |
| crashanddie | RST38h, you're confused with scotland | 20:49 |
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| lcuk | apart from some bit of northern ireland | 20:49 |
| RST38h | crash: not part of it politically, but I guess they can...mm....walk? :) | 20:49 |
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| crashanddie | RST38h, irish people can fuck off for all I care, they're part of europe and the shengen area, we're not. | 20:49 |
| RST38h | Ah no they can't | 20:49 |
| lcuk | would get a bit soggy, theres a big sea in between england and ireland | 20:49 |
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| * RST38h is real bad on geography it seems | 20:50 | |
| crashanddie | it would appear so | 20:50 |
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| lcuk | but your assessment of those from the extreme north (scotland) was spot on! | 20:50 |
| RST38h | Heh | 20:51 |
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| lcuk | i put it down to the weather | 20:51 |
| crashanddie | it's like the slashdot post "it would seem the world is having an extraterrestial issue with its northern neighbour -- canada"... erhm, sorry? By world you mean USA? Right | 20:51 |
| RST38h | crashanddie: I am not THAT bad with geography :) | 20:51 |
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| crashanddie | lcuk, 12k :) | 20:51 |
| RST38h | crashanddie: Just haven't looked at British Islands map closely in a long while | 20:52 |
| lcuk | for bossing some PFYs around? | 20:52 |
| crashanddie | lcuk, pfy? Youngest is 31 :D | 20:52 |
| lcuk | lol | 20:52 |
| crashanddie | I think | 20:52 |
| crashanddie | didn't check | 20:52 |
| RST38h | lcuk: It is either weather or a multicentury streak of bad luck :) | 20:53 |
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| crashanddie | RST38h, haven't looked at a map of the US in a long time, still know that new york is on the right hand side, and hawaii is not attached to it | 20:53 |
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| lcuk | k, im vanishing | 20:54 |
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| RST38h | crashanddie: I bet you won't be able to say if Alabama has ocean access without looking at the map though =) | 20:55 |
| crashanddie | i'd say it doesn['t | 20:56 |
| crashanddie | but am probably wrong | 20:56 |
| RST38h | crashanddie: yep, but I wouldn't be able to tell it either | 20:56 |
| lcuk | google trends just showed a spike, alabama tourist board are doing cartwheels | 20:59 |
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| RST38h | yea, cleaning oil spills away with their hands ASAP =) | 21:01 |
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| suihkulokki | looking at the map, "does alabama have ocean access" looks like a trick question :) | 21:02 |
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| Khertan1 | Hello ! | 21:36 |
| Khertan1 | ouais et toi ? | 21:36 |
| Khertan1 | oups ww | 21:36 |
| Khertan1 | someone have already use python-xlib ? | 21:36 |
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| Khertan1 | trying to run one of the xlib example code i got an error : XLib.xauth: warning no xauthority details available | 21:45 |
| Khertan1 | someone could explain me what it s mean ? | 21:45 |
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| qwerty12_N800 | oh, it expects an .Xauthority file but Maemo doesn't have one so I made it generate an empty one (if it doesn't exist). It can be ignored safely | 21:47 |
| qwerty12_N800 | s/have one/have xauth/ | 21:48 |
| infobot | qwerty12_N800 meant: oh, it expects an .Xauthority file but Maemo doesn't have xauth so I made it generate an empty one (if it doesn't exist). It can be ignored safely | 21:48 |
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| Khertan1 | oh thanks | 21:50 |
| Khertan1 | and what does this file contain ? | 21:50 |
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| qwerty12_N800 | usually xauthority data but the one generated is blank | 21:52 |
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| Khertan1 | i see on a google cache on a mailing a high level gui toolkit base on python-xlib | 21:53 |
| Khertan1 | but the link is to the forum post is dead | 21:53 |
| Khertan1 | did you know something like that ? | 21:53 |
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| qwerty12_N800 | No, I wanted to use it for a different, more simpler purpose (setting the name of another app) but I failed in that purpose | 21:55 |
| Khertan1 | :) | 21:55 |
| Khertan1 | i looking for a simple thing | 21:55 |
| Khertan1 | a text box | 21:55 |
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| Khertan1 | a checkbox | 21:55 |
| Khertan1 | label and button :) | 21:56 |
| Khertan1 | nothing complex | 21:56 |
| Khertan1 | to do a fast ui for an apps | 21:56 |
| Khertan1 | just a test | 21:56 |
| Khertan1 | as i m not very happy in fact with gtk | 21:56 |
| Khertan1 | at least for a tablet | 21:56 |
| Khertan1 | this is not designed to be use on small device | 21:56 |
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| Khertan1 | lol : http://blackwm.sourceforge.net/ | 21:58 |
| crashanddie | Khertan1, YOU HAVE SEEN THE LIGHT! | 21:59 |
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| Khertan1 | crashanddie: haha | 22:01 |
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| Khertan1 | crashanddie: and from what i ve see ... qt isn't not better | 22:01 |
| crashanddie | so qt is better? | 22:02 |
| lcuk | Khertan1, the problem is lower than gtk on this device | 22:02 |
| lcuk | crash qt has same issues, khertan1, have you tried simply changing your theme to something minimalistic and styleless | 22:02 |
| Khertan1 | lcuk ... nope | 22:02 |
| Khertan1 | i ven't found any minimalistic theme | 22:03 |
| lcuk | it was an idea i had originally | 22:03 |
| lcuk | part of the problem is the amount of drawing ops - removing them should help | 22:03 |
| Khertan1 | i more thinking of doing my own GUI Toolkit ... | 22:03 |
| lcuk | come help with mine - the source is on .git server :) | 22:03 |
| Khertan1 | done with line, point and line | 22:03 |
| Khertan1 | the problem of yours is that ... i can't use it with python | 22:04 |
| Khertan1 | :) | 22:04 |
| lcuk | yeah i know | 22:04 |
| lcuk | but i do my building on device | 22:04 |
| lcuk | just like you :) | 22:04 |
| Khertan1 | and the other problem is that it s seems i'm not enough competent to do the binding myself :) | 22:04 |
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| lcuk | hopefully that shouldnt take long - the library is solidifying nicely, im just building the ui components piece by piece now | 22:06 |
| lcuk | making sure i can use them all as expected | 22:06 |
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| lcuk | Khertan1, ill keep my eye out for python people who might have a go at making a binding :) | 22:07 |
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| fireun | "snake people" | 22:09 |
| lcuk | o_O | 22:09 |
| Khertan1 | lcuk great | 22:09 |
| lcuk | hows dayjob comin on? | 22:10 |
| Khertan1 | what widget did you have already implemented in the superliqbase toolkit | 22:11 |
| Khertan1 | ? | 22:11 |
| lcuk | hows your dayjob.. | 22:11 |
| Khertan1 | not so quite good ... | 22:11 |
| Khertan1 | i'm rewritting some poorly coded things | 22:12 |
| Khertan1 | which i should not rewrite | 22:12 |
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| Khertan1 | in my dayjob i'm not suppose to do python things... | 22:12 |
| Khertan1 | but the middleware is coded in python ... and is clearly bugged | 22:12 |
| lcuk | err - a label, image, sketch, basic text editor, basic treeview (http://liqbase.net/liq.20090414_232105.lib.scr.png) toolbars (top and side) floating calendar ( http://liqbase.net/liq.20090413_153415.lib.scr.png ) and a bunch of other secret ones :) | 22:13 |
| * Khertan1 don't like the toolbar on top or left :) but it s a personnal choice :) | 22:14 | |
| RST38h | lcuk: Have you got at least one finished app using liqbase? | 22:15 |
| lcuk | button style or fact its a toolbar? | 22:15 |
| lcuk | yes its released RST38h | 22:15 |
| lcuk | i told you i use it all the time | 22:15 |
| lcuk | i wouldv carried on writing stuffs in there, but it couldnt do what i needed, hence this rebuild | 22:16 |
| * lcuk hated the fact it was all mashed together | 22:16 | |
| lcuk | coding wise | 22:16 |
| Khertan1 | :) | 22:16 |
| lcuk | so now everything is built external to the playground | 22:17 |
| lcuk | and can run on its own | 22:17 |
| lcuk | or can sit just as happily in the playground | 22:17 |
| RST38h | ok, is there an application deb? | 22:18 |
| Khertan1 | from my test doing some drawing in a gtk.DrawArea and an other test doing the same things with xlib | 22:18 |
| RST38h | and what does application do? | 22:18 |
| Khertan1 | it s clear that i ll not use any more gtk :) | 22:18 |
| lcuk | liqbase takes notes its in garage :) | 22:18 |
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| qwerty12_N800 | Khertan1: you can't use the hildon input method with xlib (unless you do that xmessage stuff) :P | 22:19 |
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| lcuk | qwerty12_N800, do you remember the guy that did pyqt scroller | 22:20 |
| lcuk | Khertan1, have you tried pyqt | 22:20 |
| Khertan1 | qwerty12_N800 ... HO MY GOD ... NO HILDON INPUT ... arg | 22:20 |
| Khertan1 | lcuk: from what i ve see on my desktop computer ... i prefer to not install it on my nit | 22:20 |
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| lcuk | lbt, you got your qt kinetic vid handy? | 22:21 |
| lbt | yup | 22:21 |
| lcuk | Khertan1, its worth a try at the very least | 22:21 |
| lcuk | :) | 22:22 |
| lbt | http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4TxAIScXQvk | 22:22 |
| lbt | (Qt, not Shopper) | 22:22 |
| Khertan1 | yeah yeah ... i should try. ... but only if there is python binding :) | 22:22 |
| RST38h | lcuk: Lemme reinstall... =) | 22:22 |
| qwerty12_N800 | Khertan1: yep, PyQt | 22:22 |
| Khertan1 | but using pyqt means learn qt | 22:22 |
| Khertan1 | and something i like with gtk ... it s glade | 22:23 |
| lbt | Khertan1: it's beyond you... | 22:23 |
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| lbt | Have you seen QtDesigner? | 22:23 |
| lbt | it runs on the tablet... | 22:23 |
| lbt | (course it's a bit cramped) | 22:23 |
| lcuk | i gather david you can take something designed on desktop and copied over | 22:24 |
| lbt | gnuton got QtDesigner to work on the desktop and make tablet apps | 22:24 |
| lbt | so yes | 22:24 |
| lbt | I mean, it's trivial to do normally | 22:24 |
| lcuk | good | 22:24 |
| lbt | I think he did something extra | 22:25 |
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| lcuk | have you had confirmation of your bug by the way | 22:26 |
| lcuk | or has it just sat idle | 22:26 |
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| lbt | We have read your email but require more time to deal with it. We have | 22:26 |
| lbt | assigned it the issue number #251527. Please use this number if you email | 22:26 |
| Khertan1 | lbt: don t know that qtdesigner run on a tablet | 22:27 |
| Khertan1 | but it could be interesting | 22:27 |
| lbt | want a screenshot? | 22:27 |
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| lcuk | i do! | 22:27 |
| lbt | it's not usable :) | 22:27 |
| Khertan1 | :( | 22:27 |
| Khertan1 | glade is useable on a nit | 22:27 |
| Khertan1 | :) | 22:27 |
| lbt | the design area is about 2mm^2 | 22:27 |
| lcuk | it could be hacked to usability couldnt it | 22:27 |
| lbt | nah - it's a real-estate issue | 22:28 |
| lcuk | lets see pic | 22:28 |
| lcuk | heh | 22:28 |
| lcuk | pics or it didn't happen! | 22:28 |
| lbt | hold on, let me just install it on Mer | 22:28 |
| Khertan1 | ah you mean on mer :( | 22:28 |
| * Khertan1 can't really use it yet | 22:29 | |
| lbt | no, I'm booted into Met | 22:29 |
| lbt | Mer | 22:29 |
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| Khertan1 | ha :) | 22:29 |
| lbt | so it's quicker to install/snap than reboot | 22:29 |
| lbt | OK, Mer has a bigger screen but... | 22:29 |
| lcuk | lbt, you are such a good advocate for qt :D | 22:29 |
| lbt | they should pay me | 22:30 |
| lbt | (or hire me) | 22:30 |
| lcuk | heh - when nokians install your shopper you could automatically add a secret entry | 22:30 |
| lcuk | "hire david" | 22:30 |
| Khertan1 | lol | 22:31 |
| qwerty12_N800 | lcuk: or a license agreement in the preinst, eh? ;P | 22:31 |
| Khertan1 | i should do that too on my soft :) | 22:31 |
| lbt | undelete-able | 22:31 |
| lcuk | heh | 22:31 |
| lbt | ooh, nice qwerty12_N800 | 22:31 |
| lcuk | "by installing this software you agree to give lbt a job" | 22:31 |
| Khertan1 | the license agreement ... yep the thing that noone read | 22:31 |
| Khertan1 | quite good idea | 22:32 |
| qwerty12_N800 | lbt: I know :D (lcuk didn't think so :P) | 22:32 |
| lcuk | thats cos u called me a northerner \@/ | 22:32 |
| lcuk | .excuse me everyone. | 22:32 |
| lcuk | qwerty you fuckweasel! | 22:32 |
| * lcuk coughs | 22:33 | |
| qwerty12_N800 | northern tosser. :P | 22:33 |
| lcuk | :D | 22:33 |
| lcuk | im goin codin anyway | 22:33 |
| lcuk | bbiab | 22:34 |
| lcuk | lbt, shout me if you get a photo | 22:34 |
| * lbt mutters that aptitude is slow with no memory! | 22:34 | |
| Khertan1 | apt-get install python2.5-qt4* | 22:34 |
| Khertan1 | E: Not enough space available | 22:35 |
| Khertan1 | :( | 22:35 |
| qwerty12_N800 | lbt: real men use dselect | 22:35 |
| lbt | need to make the OBS repo a higer priority than ubuntu so I get the maemo Qt which has a lower version than the ubuntu one | 22:36 |
| * Khertan1 must go on | 22:36 | |
| lbt | (this is a generic Mer issue too) | 22:36 |
| qwerty12_N800 | (and then are forced to tears) | 22:36 |
| Khertan1 | bye | 22:36 |
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| fireun | real men compile from source after applying obscure patches | 22:36 |
| lbt | fireun: real men have their own build system | 22:36 |
| lbt | oh, wait... | 22:37 |
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| qwerty12_N800 | google image it *cough* | 22:38 |
| lcuk | lol qwerty, you can't talk, its set as your homopage :P | 22:39 |
| qwerty12_N800 | shit, have you put spyware on my computer? :( | 22:39 |
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| lcuk | heh i feel sorry for any poor bastard who does | 22:40 |
| qwerty12_N800 | I knew liqbase.x86 was too good to be true... | 22:40 |
| lcuk | liqbase.windows7.exe you mean | 22:41 |
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| cousinitt | hi all, i'm having trouble trying to install libqt4-dev from the extras repository (I do not have extras-devel activated) | 23:01 |
| cousinitt | I get: : Depends: libqt4-help (= 4.4.3-1maemo0) but it is not installable | 23:01 |
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| cousinitt | no ideeas ? | 23:06 |
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| qwerty12_N800 | I'm pretty sure extras-devel has a higher version - I've got qt4.5, from extras-devel, installed here fine | 23:09 |
| cousinitt | but i have 4.4.3 on my tablet and I would like to compile using that | 23:09 |
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| qwerty12_N800 | Time to upgrade? apt is letting me install libqt4-dev fine | 23:11 |
| cousinitt | 4.5 worked for me too form extras-devel | 23:12 |
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| woglinde | hm the latest packages have some problems | 23:25 |
| woglinde | keyboard not working | 23:25 |
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