IRC log of #maemo for Friday, 2009-04-17

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* lbt slaps down Jaffa :D00:52
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thopiekar_tabletto all german members of the channel and those who are familar in the german language.. i would be happy to see you in the new channel #maemo.de.. :)00:57
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luke-jrwhere can I get the Linux sources for Diablo?01:54
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johnxluke-jr, kernel sources?01:55
zakkmanyone have a 12pt gtkrc of nuvoclear theme?01:56
luke-jrjohnx: yes01:57
johnxluke-jr, http://lmgtfy.com/?q=kernel+source+site%3Amaemo.org&l=101:57
luke-jrjohnx: -.-01:57
zakkmhehh01:57
luke-jrjohnx: so which oen is it?01:59
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johnxorig.tar.gz is the original source and diff.gz is Nokia's changes01:59
johnxI guess the latest is this: http://repository.maemo.org/pool/maemo4.1.2/free/k/kernel-source-diablo/02:00
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luke-jrkernel-source-diablo_2.6.21-200842maemo1 ?02:00
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johnxseems like the latest02:01
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luke-jrjohnx: and the config?02:30
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johnxsomething like n800-defconfig02:30
johnxshould be included02:30
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genewitchis there a free/whatever navigation application for the n800?02:38
genewitchwayfinder wants $14 a month02:39
johnxhave you tried maemo mapper?02:39
genewitchis that the default application?02:39
genewitchthat works but won't do routes02:39
johnxthe one installed my default is the one that just says "Map"02:40
johnxmaemo mapper is something else02:40
genewitchwhere would i get it, it's not in the application manager os2008.com or maemo.org?02:41
johnxhttp://maemo.org/downloads/product/OS2008/maemo-mapper/02:41
johnxit can do routes, but it has to be connected to the internet to plan a route02:41
johnxafter that it can go offline02:42
genewitchthat should work02:42
genewitchi want to use it for geocaching and the girl needs it to find places02:43
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johnxah, there's something cool for geocaching...I don't remember the name of the app though02:44
johnxgpxview02:44
johnxnever tried it, but it looks kinda neat02:45
genewitchi'll snag it02:45
genewitchi've never used special applications02:45
genewitchreally, i had a delorme doodad on my laptop and PDA years ago, laptop to get into the area, then pda on foot to find the bugger02:45
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genewitchit was a huge pain and took tons of batteries02:45
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b-man16WTF!! - someone is spaming ITT >:(  http://www.internettablettalk.com/forums/showthread.php?p=280253#post28025302:46
b-man16<gets angry>02:47
johnxwe get spam there all the time. no need to get excited...02:47
johnxjust hit the flag button and it'll get taken care of02:48
genewitchi should get the wayfinder trial and see how it works, i think it comes out to like $40 a year02:49
genewitchif it is amazing i might grab it, if mapper doesn't do what i need02:49
genewitchthe little iblue someone recommended to me seems really accurate, and it also seems really sensitive02:51
genewitchway more so than the other 3 units i've used02:51
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johnxyeah, I've heard good things about it too02:51
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genewitchi hope it can use the external card for it's database, my internal card is almost full because of the map application02:52
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genewitchmaemo-mapper, that is02:52
bootiogot a question about maemo-mapper or any other gps software for the n8xx series. i want to use the GPS functionality without having an internet connection. is that possible?02:53
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johnxbootio, yes02:55
johnxbut maemo mapper uses google maps for routing so you need an internet connection when getting a new route02:55
bootioaww that's how it does it02:56
bootioi figured it probably did something like that02:56
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bootiook- so basically there is no free map data02:56
johnxthere's openstreetmap02:56
bootiothat i can just download a the north east02:56
johnxit's pretty complete in some areas02:56
bootiohmm02:56
johnxgoogle maps is "free" as in no cost02:57
bootioyea-02:57
bootioi meant free as in freedom to copy, modify, etc02:57
genewitchwell the map application doesn't need an internet connection02:57
genewitchand it has east and west maps for US02:57
bootioopenstreetmap or maemo mapper?02:58
genewitchjust map02:58
genewitchin os200802:58
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johnxmaemo mapper can use maps from lots of sources, including google, and openstreetmap02:59
johnxamong others02:59
genewitchi wish delorme knew about the n80003:00
genewitchi really like their software03:00
genewitchtheir gps receivers are trash03:00
genewitchbut, what can you do03:00
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bootioi just want something that works where i don't have to have an active internet connection to get a route planned (as long as the maps are there)03:00
genewitchholy cow, gpxview doesn't need any mapping software, it throws a compass up for you to find caches03:04
johnxis that good or bad?03:04
genewitchbootio: Thomas Guide03:04
* johnx doesn't geocache03:05
genewitchjohnx: it's awesome03:05
johnxvery cool, then :)03:05
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genewitchhaha, mapper has "WIFI Hotspots" as POI03:07
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genewitchjohnx: thanks for mentioning gpxview03:38
genewitchthat's a pretty awesome app03:38
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GeneralAntillesqwerty12_N800, can you run some ports through the alpha SDK so we can get these people to STFU?04:22
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b-man161i hate those things >.<04:31
Proteousewww04:35
Proteousthey are all gooey when you smash em with your fingers04:36
GeneralAntillesThey kill roaches though04:36
Proteousmy farts kill roaches04:36
Proteous...04:36
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Macerhello06:12
Macerhm06:15
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timelesshello world09:09
Stskeepsmorning timeless09:09
timelessanyone here know of an s60 app which makes knocking sounds09:09
timelesspresumably when people in an im group sign in09:09
timelessi'm borrowing an n80 phone because my e61 died09:10
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radicStskeeps: btw. do you know an howto where is discribed how to boot from external memory such as SD-card or USB-stick?09:17
luke-jranyone use Marble for navigation?09:17
Stskeepshttp://wiki.maemo.org/Booting_from_a_flash_card09:17
Stskeeps-> radic09:17
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thuxmorning09:40
RST38hmourning.09:40
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Stskeepsmorn09:40
Stskeepsjesus, 3 days in customs09:41
Stskeepswhat are they doing to my package09:41
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luke-jrStskeeps: playing with it09:42
L0cutus'giorno09:43
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Stskeepsluke-jr: true, tablets are fun :P09:43
Macer_Stskeeps: get it yet?09:44
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StskeepsMacer_: still in customs, heh09:44
Macer_haha09:44
luke-jrI finally broke down and setup cross-distcc09:44
Stskeepsluke-jr: hah-ha09:44
Macer_i think they are booting it and making sure it isn't spy equipment :)09:44
Stskeeps:P09:44
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luke-jrMacer_: then he'll never get it09:44
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luke-jrsince it has a webcam09:44
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Stskeepsluke-jr: not that i in any way appreciate gentoo, - we have a quite well-emulated arm chroot environment with working cross-compiler09:45
Macermaybe searched soem sort of international list and realized i had secret clearance :)09:45
Macernot to mention that if they were to xray it.. it would probably look like some sort of bomb haha09:45
luke-jrStskeeps: ?09:45
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Stskeepsluke-jr: as in, grab a ARM rootstrap, chroot into it, on x86, and still being able to use a cross-compiler to build stuff09:46
Stskeepsspeeds up builds quite a tad :P09:46
luke-jrStskeeps: but that won't failover to native building09:46
Stskeepssure, only gcc is accelerated, and could easily fallover to the normal gcc09:46
Stskeepsas normal gcc is emulated just fine too09:47
luke-jr09:47
luke-jrI mean on the tablet09:47
luke-jrif I'm not on my LAN, I don't want to be stranded w/o the ability to build stuff09:47
Stskeepsheh09:47
Stskeepsnevermind i guess - we have great benefits from our approach09:47
Macerblah. i think i am going to have to use this goddamn artigo as a server or something09:48
Macerjust to see if i will have better luck with glftpd09:48
Stskeepsglftpd .. heh, so many years since i used that last09:49
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pupnikhttp://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lkIY9Pl8IU410:11
pupnikmusic video live10:11
* RST38h ehlos Sts and pupnik10:15
johnxhi RST38h10:16
johnx<- caffeinated10:16
Stskeepsmorning johnx10:16
Stskeepsi see you keep same sleeping rhythm as in japan ;)10:17
johnxheh10:17
johnxit's only midnight here10:17
Stskeepsah, 9 hours behind i guess10:17
johnxI just came back from hanging out with some friends at a local cafe10:17
johnxfree refills on coffee10:17
johnxgot one person definitely rounded up for table duty at LFNW :>10:18
Stskeeps:)10:18
Stskeepswhen was it again?10:18
johnxLFNW? 25th and 26th10:18
johnxdoes OBS have a PPC builder?10:18
Stskeepsi'm not sure but i think it depends on 1) qemu support or 2) actual  hw10:19
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pupniki think growing food, and owning silver is a good fucking idea right now10:19
Stskeepsi have a bomb shelter 10 meters from me, i'll be fine. :P10:19
johnxpupnik, what about growing silver and owning food?10:19
pupnikif you can make money, do it10:20
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pupnikfor those who cant...10:20
thuxis there a fdisk for maemo?10:20
thuxthat sfdisk confuses me :P10:21
Stskeepscfdisk exists10:21
johnxthere's even cfdisk somewhere10:21
Stskeepsthux: sfdisk is neat once you tame it :P10:21
thuxhehe yeah probably10:22
luke-jrI love how the N810 decides to reboot randomly -.-10:24
Stskeepswatchdogs10:24
luke-jrcan they be killed?10:24
Stskeepsyes, but be aware that it is probably for your safety10:26
* Stskeeps has no idea if the battery sw works ok when wd's are disabled :)10:26
johnxit seems to...but at the same time that *would* explain some things10:26
Stskeepsmy worst fear when i was decoding BME communication was that i accidentially tripped something, heh10:27
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johnxsame fear I had doing this to my zaurus' kernel: //is_fatal = 110:28
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luke-jr10:35
luke-jrso how do I kill wds?10:35
Stskeepsflasher options10:35
RST38hBacon?10:36
RST38hHmm...no reaction from the usual suspects10:36
luke-jrmeh10:37
johnxluke-jr, flash to r&d mode10:38
johnxthe closed source flasher has a flag you pass10:38
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luke-jrI don't want to flash again10:42
johnxit's just setting a flag, not reflashing the OS10:43
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jaemhey folks11:04
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jaem...it's dead in here11:08
jaemwhich is said11:08
jaemzombies are much more fun11:08
jaemsad*11:08
glasswell they're undead11:08
thopiekar:P11:09
thopiekarjaem: the geeks are sleeping now :D11:09
X-FadeOr just pre-coffee ;)11:09
thopiekarhehe11:10
johnx<- post coffee11:10
johnxhopefully I'll be able to sleep soon11:10
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X-Fadejohnx: Yeah, but you are on the other side of the world ;)11:10
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johnxslightly different side of the world than I was last month, but yes :)11:11
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jaemjohnx: how do you guys manage to not fall off that side of the world?11:11
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jaemI thought science hadn't figured that out yet11:11
jaemalthough I guess there was a workaround involving a sphere a few hundred years ago11:11
johnxwe had to invent gravity11:12
jaemon a completely different topic, it's great when you leave contacting a prof about something important until way too late, and then they e-mail you back at 12am, 5 minutes after you e-mail them :D11:13
jaemjohnx: we're still working on uninventing it11:13
jaemthat reminds me... in most sci-fi movies, spaceships that only have thrusters on their rear, somehow manage to take off vertically11:13
jaemis there some canonical explanation for that?11:13
johnxpractical doesn't look cool11:14
jaemyeah, fair point11:14
jaemthis is Hollywood11:14
johnxFirefly had it down pretty well11:14
jaemthey don't care if something's completely wrong, as long as 90% of their audience won't know any better11:14
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jaemjohnx: well, that's Firefly :P11:14
johnxI think StarTrek takes care of it with some kind of anti-gravity11:14
jaemand Serenity is a nice ship11:14
jaemI still remember my first thought after watching Wall-E was that they had blatantly broken Newton's laws of motion11:15
jaemWho needs science, anyway?  Of course objects decelerate after the applied force is removed!11:15
glassjaem: most scifi writers and tech guys aren't really tech guys who think stuff through11:16
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JaffaMorning, all11:16
glass(the first tech guys as in 'scifi' tech guys who do the stuff for the shows..)11:16
X-FadeMorning Jaffa11:16
jaemI'm annoyed... I'm having video playback issues on my new laptop, which means my TV-watching is delayed11:17
* jaem wants BSG11:17
jaemmorning, jaffa11:17
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jaemfrom what my friend tells me, it's likely an obscure problem between the player, the codec, and the container I'm using11:17
jaemwhich he only figured out through reading vague forum posts, and going through the specs11:18
jaemand he didn't remember how to fix it :(11:18
jaemdid anyone see today's xkcd?11:19
glasstried another playback solution as a hotfix? like vlc11:19
jaemglass: it's VLC I'm having the issue with11:19
jaemalso XBMC11:19
glassjaem: os?11:19
jaemglass: Arch11:19
glassk, out of ideas then11:19
jaemit plays fine on Windows, AFAIK, although I haven't personally tried this set of files11:19
jaemWindows, with WMP*11:20
jaemsomething tells me that trying to play back HD content with WMP on Wine would make me cry11:20
glassjaem: try mpc in wine with windows codecs?-)11:20
glassdunno, that should be doable11:20
jaemactually, just clicking through the WMP EULA would probably make me cry11:20
jaemglass: mpc?  is that the mpd client, or something else?11:20
glassjaem: media player classic, a 'clone' of early windows media player ui, with hd etc stuff helping options11:21
qwerty12media player classic11:21
jaemoh, that11:21
jaemokay11:21
jaemI'll give it a shot11:21
jaemare the FOSS x264 codecs, etc, readily available?11:22
RST38hmoo, glass.11:23
glassjaem: dunno. warez some codec pack :p11:23
glassjaem: mplayer can also use windows codecs, no?11:23
jaemglass: not that I'm aware of, but I've never looked into it11:23
jaemthat sounds plausible11:23
* glass needs a wakeup11:23
* jaem hits glass over the head with an alarm clock11:24
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* jaem then smashes a mug of coffee over glass's head11:24
jaemthat should do it11:24
thopiekar:D11:24
jaemI don't think I can tunnel adrenaline over IP yet11:24
jaemAvian carrier might support it, but I haven't checked the latest spec11:25
glassthat would make you rich11:25
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jaemyou'll have to do with Espresso11:25
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glassbut i wouldn't stop at adrealine11:25
jaemglass: you would when you got caught11:25
glassat least i'd be spiced up11:26
RST38h"If the backing is placed against a solid surface printed side down, and rubbed, the black dot will transfer to that surface, creating a permanent hole. Tests indicate SCP-133 is capable of penetrating 24" of structural grade titanium"11:26
glasshuh11:26
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jaemthere's a bus driver or two in my home town who will actually enforce the "no drinks on the bus" rule to point of refusing regular commuters a ride, because they have coffee in travel mugs at 6am11:26
jaemthat's just cruel11:27
glasswell thats his powertrip11:27
glasspretty lame powertrip11:27
RST38hReplace coffee with chocolate, leave wrappings everywhere11:27
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RST38hEven better, do not leave any garbage to prevent him from complaining, but MAKE LOUD UNPLEASANT NOISES with the wrapping.11:28
jaem:S11:28
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Stskeepsjaem: i don't blame them though, it's bloody irritating to clean up the stuff :P11:31
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jaemno doubt, but enforcing the letter of the law is often inconvenient mostly for the people who follow the spirit of the law anyway11:32
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glassthe coffee shop should provide paper bags :)11:33
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jaem_it's like someone walking into your house, shooting you, and then paying for half of the bill to clean the blood out of the carpet :S11:35
RST38hnot really11:35
jaem_nice thought, but completely missing the point, and not making things any better11:35
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woglindehi rst11:35
RST38hDrivers are not directly responsible for cleaning up their buses11:35
RST38hmoo woglinde11:35
jaem_hi RST38h11:35
RST38hThere is a cleaning crew that does it11:36
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RST38hhello jaem11:36
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jaem_RST38h: ATI85 is looking purty slick11:36
RST38hso it should11:36
jaem_although my friend criticized the model selector for being too iPhoney... I'm don't really mind it, and it looks good otherwise - was that what you and wazd were going for?11:37
* RST38h just noticed that DirectDraw no longer lets him set 320x240 or 640x480 screen mode with this laptop =(11:37
RST38hjaem: It is supposed to look iphoney11:37
RST38hNothing wrong with copying decent UI when you can11:38
jaem_I didn't think it would happen by accident11:38
RST38hif he does not like it, he can start it from xterm: run-ati85 -help for options11:38
jaem_yeah, it is decent - I think my friend just doesn't like the stigma that goes along with the iPhone (although the actual value of it is up for debate)11:38
jaem_okay, good to know11:38
jaem_he doesn't actually have an NIT, though11:39
jaem_I was just showing him11:39
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woglindehm killall ssh is no good idea11:39
jaem_by the way, what do you folks think about picking up a used N800 to use as an HTPC remote?11:40
jaem_having web/ssh access would be a plus, in my case11:40
yanI cant find microb-engine in repository.maemo.org/pool/maemo5.0prealpha211:40
* Myrtti uses her 770 as a home automation remote11:40
jaem_although my friend can get good deals on Logitech remotes11:40
yanwhere is it11:40
jaem_Myrtti: what sort of automation system do  you have?11:40
yanmust i checkout microb trunk11:41
jaem_I had thought about looking into that, but last I checked, it was expensive to get into11:41
MyrttiZ-wave something, I haven't really looked into it :-)11:41
RST38hjaem: just get a real remote11:41
jaem_and there's only so much we can do in the townhouse, given that its owned by the uni11:41
jaem_RST38h: any reasons in particular, that outweigh the browser and ssh that I mentioned wanting?11:42
jaem_if it's significantly better, sure11:42
RST38hjaem: better sits in your hand, has got tactile buttons, can be dropped without regrets11:42
jaem_hmm11:43
RST38hjaem: does not require additional intercourse to make it work11:43
jaem_I agree with you on [1] and [2], at any rate11:43
jaem_partly, I think I just wanted an excuse to get someone else to pay part of it, so I could have another NIT to play with :P11:43
jaem_although I would beg to differ on [0], possibly11:43
jaem_I don't actually own an N800, but the N810 fits my hand very well, provided it doesn't have a USB cable plugged in11:44
RST38hLandscape gadgets do not sit well in a hand11:44
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RST38hYou are usually supposed to hold them with both hands11:45
jaem_that's true, I guess, but I don't see it as an issue, particularly11:45
jaem_oh well, I'll think about it more11:45
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jaem_it also depends on our choice of Media Center software11:45
jaem_and whether I get a new desktop, so I can repurpose my current one as an HTCP in the first place11:47
lbtjaem_: great idea..... *huge* project to do it properly (with MythTV anyway)11:48
RST38hWhy is it huge?11:48
lbtstate and feedback11:48
jaem_lbt: I like XBMC, but of course, the N8x0 doesn't have IR, and I'm not sure if XBMC supports remote control over telnet, or other backends, which /would/ work with the NITs11:49
lbtyou need the front-end UI to be on the device11:49
lbt'properly' is not IR or telnet11:50
lbttelnet is a network protocol :)11:50
lbteven telnet CLI is just a layered nw protocol11:50
Stskeepsjaem_: BlueMaemo, HID11:50
Stskeeps:P11:50
RST38hlbt: Do not store any state in the tablet11:50
RST38hIt is wrong.11:50
jaem_lbt: I know, but there's a remote control app for Maemo that supports using Telnet, and various other methods, as a substitute for an IR remote11:50
Macerhm11:51
lbtthe state is on the HTPC, not the tablet11:51
RST38hNotice that no remote control will save any state.11:51
jaem_Stskeeps: oh... right *forgot*11:51
Macerbeen maxing out my cable modem for a week11:51
jaem_Stskeeps: that would be much simpler, and BlueMaemo is great11:51
jaem_the UI could use a bit of work, although it's better these days11:51
jaem_Macer: that's why you need More Internets!11:51
Macernaw. it's going 2.5MB/s11:52
lbtI want a tablet remote that *knows* what 'mode' the HTPC is in and provides a suitable UI11:52
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Macerso it's fast enough ;)11:52
lbtnot 'up/down/left/right'11:52
jaem_Macer: that's nothing11:52
Macerheh.. fast enough for me ;)11:52
jaem_we'll have 6 connections next fall term11:52
lbtif I wanted u/d/l/r then a $1 remote is *way* better than buying a 2nd hand N0011:52
lbtN80011:52
Macerit's my home cable modem11:52
jaem_Macer: I'm kidding, slightly11:52
Macerheh. i think 2.5MB/s is ok11:53
jaem_Macer: it's our two cable modems, and four residence lines11:53
jaem_yeah, it is11:53
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jaem_but more is always better11:53
jaem_hehe11:53
jaem_people often get in serious trouble for tunnelling their torrent downloads over their shell account on the school file server11:53
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RST38hlbt: As I said, any attempts to store state in the remote are futile11:53
jaem_my uni is a major data-store and processing facility for the LHC, so we have stupid fast internet11:54
jaem_and a few 15PB storage racks11:54
RST38hlbt: You want to show what state HTPC is in - receive it directly from the HTPC and if it times out, go to main menu11:54
* RST38h has been there before11:54
jaem_RST38h: where?11:54
rmtHmm.. the email app isn't showing the summaries of new emails from the panel anymore (although the LED still blinks when it's off and an email is received) .. where did I change that?11:54
RST38hjaem: inside remote controls.11:55
jaem_rmt: I was getting that the other day, too11:55
Stskeepsrmt: modest will at any given moment try to fuck you over11:55
Stskeeps:P11:55
woglindehm can someone pointme to a test video which is know to work with libvideoacceleration?11:55
rmtMaybe I'll try the ol' windows trick..11:56
jumpulareboot?11:56
rmtyup11:56
jumpulathat's the oldest windows trick i know11:56
jumpulaworks still like a charm11:57
Macerhahaha11:57
jaem_jumpula: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hacker_koan#Enlightenment11:57
jumpula:P11:58
jaem_hmm... interesting: http://www.reason.com/blog/show/127773.html11:59
olin12:01
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oliTesting j2me ssh client :-)12:02
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pupnikreason magazine woke me up jaem_12:06
pupnikthe man who introduced me to it is in federal prison12:06
jaem_pupnik: I hadn't actually heard of it before12:06
jaem_oh?12:07
pupnikhe fought the government12:07
jaem_...12:07
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* Stskeeps gets out his tinfoil hat12:07
pupnikwe don't want to go there, not in this google-channel12:08
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jaempupnik: ...okay, I'll leave it at the first few cryptic comments12:09
jaemlol12:09
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* jaem checks if the latest GIT of VLC will play his videos properly12:11
jaemif they do, I'm off for the night12:11
pupnikthis is not lol12:11
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jaempupnik: okay, sorry12:11
pupnikthis is a fucking gun in your mouth12:11
jaemno offense12:12
pupnikk12:12
pupnikhope i didn't offend either12:12
jaemI wasn't sure whether you were serious12:12
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jaemanyhow, g'night #maemo12:13
woglindenight jaem12:13
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RST38hDid I miss something? Has government faked the universe while I was away?12:16
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rmtWhat do you know, a reboot did the trick.. Suuure, I probably could've changed runlevels or restarted the interface.. but it was about time to check whether it would reboot successfully (and backup my customisations). :-)12:16
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rmtSo - installing bootmenu, and booting from the external card....12:17
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Stskeepspupnik: fodder for your paranoia - thepiratebay people got a year in jail12:23
pupnikfuck you12:24
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woglindeno12:24
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tank-manjail time plus money12:26
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RST38hnow, you scared pupnik off12:36
RST38hcruel punks.12:36
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yananybody related to microb-engine?12:44
X-Fadeyan: Try to ping timeless.12:44
* qwerty12 wonders what http://vokrug.org/ is about12:47
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yan:)12:49
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thopiekarqwerty12: what about translating it?12:51
thopiekarhttp://translate.google.de/translate?prev=hp&hl=de&js=n&u=http%3A%2F%2Fvokrug.org%2F&sl=ru&tl=en12:51
qwerty12OK, that's better, thanks12:52
thopiekarseems to be a gronmayer-it alternative12:52
thopiekar:P np12:52
RST38hhehe, somebody is ripping off PackRat already12:53
RST38hthey are not very good at it, but of course it is the effort that matters :)12:54
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qwerty12RST38h: Getting the AK-47 ready?12:57
jaem_http://3.bp.blogspot.com/_a1qyEHxny0s/R7MU5VsYkDI/AAAAAAAAAQo/ElaWK-MKoLc/s1600-h/hello-kitty-1.jpg12:58
qwerty12lol12:59
RST38hqwerty: Oh yes!12:59
jaem_apparently it's real - I've seen a picture of the 'artist' at a shooting range12:59
RST38hqwerty: http://www.geekologie.com/2009/04/dangerously_delicious_the_bak4.php12:59
jaem_not that that proves anything, this being the internet12:59
jaem_whaa.....?!13:00
qwerty12RST38h: lol, wut?13:00
jaem_RST38h: that's just... just... >_<13:00
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RST38hqwerty: I think certain people here just NEED to see this =)13:02
qwerty12*grin*13:02
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GeneralAntillesAnother gronmayer clone?13:07
GeneralAntillesNice. . . .13:07
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RST38h"This is good news for everyone, in Sweden and internationally, who is making a living or a business from creative activity and who needs to know their rights will protected by law."13:09
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* RST38h rejoices and requires daily video dispatches of PirateBay guys being abused in prison13:09
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jaem_RST38h: TPB is a commercial venture?  That's new to me13:11
jaem_and how are the Big Media corporations involved in "creative activity"?13:12
BlafaselPity. Screw the media guys..13:12
jaem_I'd be glad if TPB won solely because of setting precedent, apart from the ethics/legalities of their indivual case13:12
RST38hThey can't win because they are not settig the rules13:13
RST38hTheir opponents do.13:13
jaem_that's true13:13
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jaem_and that's exactly what's wrong with things13:13
jaem_grr13:13
RST38hWell you can't do much about things that are given to you. But you can adjust your lifestyle to live around them13:14
RST38hAnd if you do just a few careful adjustments, your quality of life will not descrease, and will most likely improve.13:15
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* jaem was just reading the TorrentFreak article13:19
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jaemI liked the comment about how ironic it was that the verdict got leaked before release :P13:20
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csaavedrahello, who can I inquire about the git repos in garage?13:23
X-Fadecsaavedra: You can try me and if I can't help you -> ferenc ;)13:23
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* thopiekar is now going to upgrade his pc with 12GHz and 4GB Ram13:45
thopiekarcu l8er13:45
Razumihin12GHZ?13:45
thopiekar3Ghz x413:45
RazumihinThose don't sum up ;)13:45
RazumihinBut ok :)13:45
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aquatixRazumihin: they do if you multiplex them!14:00
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aquatixjust need to add a phase shifter here and some flux capacitors there14:00
Razumihin:D14:01
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lcukaquatix, you can buy flux capacitors nowadays?14:16
aquatixno, need to build them by hand14:16
aquatixso they might be a tad expensive14:16
lcuk yeah no doubts, especially shipping in all that unobtanium14:17
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jaemdoesn't the US have export restrictions on unobtanium?14:20
jaemit sounds like the sort of thing they would have it for14:20
jaemgrr14:20
lcukjaem, yaeh they have restrictions on quantity per year, but once you build your first one its a bit easier to work around the problem14:21
jaem-grin-14:22
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lcukthere should really be export restrictions on ream dangerous things.14:22
jaemthat reminds me... my laser rod is on order :D14:22
lcuksome of the american tv shows are so bad they should be banned everywhere14:23
jaemlol14:23
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lcukwhat kind of laser are you gettin?14:23
jaemit's just the rod, which we're going to try to talk a physics prof into helping us build a laser with, providing the other parts aren't too expensive14:24
jaemand the rod is erbium-doped14:24
jaemit was only $20, which is dirt cheap14:25
jaemthe optics could be pricey, though14:25
lcukoptics? i thought lasers used no real optics barring a half silvered end14:26
* lcuk has a simplistic view of the world, so i might be wrong lol14:26
jaemI'm not sure of all the details, as my friend is more into that14:26
jaembut I believe there is some14:26
lcukheh, im betting your friend was waving his hands around when trying to explain it14:27
lcuki read the other day scientists have managed to make lasers bend around in an arc14:27
jaemnot really, although admittedly neither of us are that knowledgeable in laser physics14:27
jaembut we're interested in the topic, and it was a good deal, so...14:28
lcuktop banana!14:28
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lcukX-Fade, ping again14:31
X-Fadelcuk: Wazzup?14:31
lcuknuffin major, its that "page #824 has been commented by"  its changed.  they are now spoofing the person who made the change14:32
* RST38h has seen green laser beams bent in arcs back in Vegas14:32
RST38hAnyone cares to explain HOW it has been done?14:33
lcuki believe its the same principle as in bubble chambers of colliders14:34
lcukeffecting the spin and balance (hand waving time) of the beam allows it to interact with the particles in the air and produce an arc14:34
RST38hthe beam is made of photons14:34
X-Fadelcuk: Can you forward me a mail?14:34
lcukRST38h, ill find it in slashdot14:39
lcukeveryone was takin the piss because if you mounted it on a shark it would kill the shark after looping round!14:40
lcukhttp://science.slashdot.org/article.pl?sid=09/04/15/014723414:40
RST38hlcuk: !!!14:42
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RST38hlcuk: Weird part is, I have seen this long before 200914:43
lcukoh, you have a flux capacitor as well o_O14:43
lcukhow long did it take to make it?14:43
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aquatixlcuk: if you have to ask, you don't have enough time for it14:47
* RST38h wonders if there were any controlled substances in the air14:48
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aquatixRST38h: well, i'm in the air14:48
* RST38h bottles aquatix14:48
aquatixbut i'm not exactly what you would call `controlled'14:48
aquatixoh noes, genie in a bottle14:49
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ShadowJKRST38h, the beam is emitting photons, otherwise you wouldn't see it :-)14:49
aquatixthose photons are hitting particles in the air and are reflected14:50
RST38hShadow: Yea, it gets reflected from the dust and vapor in the air14:50
aquatixthat's why you need a cloud of dust, smoke or water to make such a beam visible14:50
aquatixindeed14:50
RST38hIn the clean air, the laser beam is invisible14:50
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RST38hStill, it does not explain why the hell those beams were going in the arcs14:51
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ShadowJKactually a guy in that slashdot article explained :D14:53
ShadowJKso like it's almost same effect as a mirage14:54
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RST38hHot air + laser beam?14:54
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GeneralAntillesWe need a bot to fix camelCase articles15:23
GeneralAntillesI'm really tired of moving them.15:23
crashanddieGeneralAntilles, write it15:24
GeneralAntillescrashanddie, I have plans for lots of bots but absolutely no intention of writing any of them myself. :P15:24
crashanddieGeneralAntilles, shame15:25
crashanddieas a whole, and on you :P15:25
GeneralAntillesYeah, yeah.15:25
mgedminduh, just write a bot to write all those bots15:28
mgedmin(including yourself, then you won't have to do anything at all!)15:28
GeneralAntillesThat still requires writing a bot.15:29
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RST38hMaybe just ignore those articles?15:33
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RST38hJust let them be? No? =)15:33
GeneralAntillesRST38h, article naming has to be consistent.15:33
GeneralAntillesSo, no, ignoring them isn't an option.15:33
RST38hlock them then?15:33
GeneralAntillesHow does that help any more than moving them?15:34
RST38hmakes editors think twice15:34
GeneralAntillesI'd abuse them in here, but tekojo's missing.15:35
lcukGeneralAntilles, whats wrong with the camelcasing and why would shoving them in your bot help?15:35
lcukare they needed forcingto camelcase or from camelcase?15:36
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aquatixlcuk: well, because there might be two articles: maemoArticle and maemoarticle15:36
* RST38h does not get GA's aversion to capitalizing words in titles15:36
GeneralAntillesWiki articles are in sentence case.15:36
lcukcase insensitive wiki?15:36
lcukoooH15:36
lcuktho thats normal i gather15:36
lcukstill shocks me15:36
RST38hThat is how it is done in English. May look weird, but other languages have even weirder practices15:36
aquatixGeneralAntilles: just wondering, aren't there rewrite rules for that?15:37
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GeneralAntillesaquatix, don't have a clue.15:37
lcukdoing a global rename would cause major serious problems then and you throw away the search engine juices flowing into classic articles15:37
GeneralAntillesThere are no classic CamelCase articles.15:38
lcukwhich articles are worst offenders gan15:38
GeneralAntillesNone15:38
GeneralAntillesIt's just when certain people create new articles they forgot.15:38
lcukCamelCase doesnt capitalize the first word does it ?15:38
lcukor is that java version15:38
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* lcuk does all lowercase everything15:38
GeneralAntillesSee, for instance, Nemein backlog15:38
GeneralAntilleshttp://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/CamelCase15:39
lcukthat damned stupid "hot topics" bar on the wiki front page goes over links :O15:39
lcuk(ie the navigation stuffs, i cant click recent15:40
GeneralAntillesChange your layout15:40
GeneralAntilleshttp://wiki.maemo.org/Special:Preferences15:40
GeneralAntillesClick Skin15:40
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lcukbut i didnt log in?15:40
GeneralAntillesMonoBookMaemo2009 is coming together.15:41
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lcukwhats wrong with the nemein backlog page?15:41
lcukapart from typos15:41
GeneralAntilles. . .15:41
GeneralAntillestekojo named it "NemeinBacklog"15:41
GeneralAntillesit should've been "Nemein backlog"15:42
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lcukthen shouldnt the wiki itself suggest changing it to that when you enter it15:42
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GeneralAntillesSure, if you want to write the plugin, feel free.15:43
lcukit wouldnt work anyway15:43
lcukcos i can just do [[generalantilles will shout at me for this title]] or whatever the syntax is15:44
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lcukand create an article inline from that15:44
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GeneralAntillesWhy would you create an article inline?15:46
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Talus_Laptophello mates16:25
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riotis there a good audiostream-player/manager available?16:37
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andre__riot, define "good"? :)16:52
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riotaah, "any"? ;)16:54
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rioti just want to create a nice list with streams so i can easily start radio on the go16:58
GeneralAntillesCanola?16:59
JaffaVideoCenter, Canola, MediaBox, gpodder (perhaps), Media Player17:00
riotoh, shit, i totally missed "internetradio" in mediaplayer17:00
Jaffa:)17:00
rioti mostly play oggs and mp3s ;)17:01
riotthanks :)17:01
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lcukjaffa, do you run those at the same time :D17:24
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cbx333any way to change the left/right balance of the speakers?17:25
cbx333on n810?17:25
Jaffalcuk: if only the CPU were up to it ;-)17:25
Jaffacbx333: I'm not aware of a way through the UI. there may be underlying mechanisms which aren't exposed.17:25
cbx333grr17:25
cbx333my right ear is slightly deaf17:25
cbx333and it's annoying17:26
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cbx333as it "sounds" like the music is coming from the left17:26
lcukcbx333, if you want to make one side louder than the other i suggest you move your head17:26
lcukor alter the position of the device ;)17:26
cbx333I'm using headphones17:26
cbx333:p17:26
lcukahhh lol dunno then17:26
cbx333so neither of those suggestoins is valid :p17:26
JaffaStick a kniting needle in your left ear to compensate ;-p17:26
lcukmy missus is completely deaf in one ear - when things come on that are stereo it just goes completely quiet17:27
lcukouchy!17:27
cbx333Jaffa: prefer not to resort to those levels17:27
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cbx333what is the underlying audio subsystem on the n810?17:28
lcukcbx333, if you could set it as a general default (with a script or something) then you can forget about it17:28
lcukuntil you get annoyed putting wrong side headphone in each ear17:28
cbx333lcuk: well that's what I'm trying to do17:28
cbx333haha17:28
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lcukall i know about the sound is there is esound interfaces, oooh and i hear theres an alsa? thing17:29
lcukbut im not up on linux audio17:29
JaffaThere must be a gstreamer thing, but I dunno if it's app wide17:30
Jaffas/app/system/17:30
infobotJaffa meant: There must be a gstreamer thing, but I dunno if it's system wide17:30
cbx333yeh17:30
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qwerty12_N800cbx333: esd, but alsa programs to control volume work17:30
cbx333is there alsa-mixer?17:30
qwerty12_N800kotczarny had a binary up but his site is down...17:31
lcukping him17:31
qwerty12_N800aumix has been compiled for maemo, it's in some repo somewhere17:31
cbx333anyone here play freera?17:32
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lopzhi17:47
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StskeepsMacer: through customs now17:59
Stskeepswill first get it in a week though, as im going to poland18:00
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orifice_workcan I user a usercontent.css in tear ? Where would it go ?18:49
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orifice_worknm.  its in ~/.tear/userstyles.css18:54
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qwerty12X-Fade: Is there a point to me receiving "page #* has been commented by _anonymous_"? Seeing as anonymous users can't comment...18:56
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lcukqwerty12, they can rate tho18:56
lcukthe notice is wrong, but its sent when someone changes your record18:57
qwerty12Why would I want an email notification fora rating?18:57
qwerty12s/fora/for a/18:57
infobotqwerty12 meant: Why would I want an email notification for a rating?18:57
lcuki like it :$18:57
lcukwhat i dont like is the spoofing if it comes from a regular user18:57
lcuk(ie if I rate your thingy you will get an email directly from me saying i did - but i didnt send it18:57
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Macerjust broke up with my gf.. blah19:11
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JaffaMacer: doh :(19:13
Macerheh. it's ok. it was a long time coming19:16
Maceri just put it off for a while19:16
lcuk:( thats a bit shit19:16
Maceroh i'm not too broken up over it.. it sucks a bit.. but not too bad19:17
Macershit happens19:17
neatojonesI once dated a girl way too long19:17
neatojonesI kept trying to break up with her, but she wouldn't let me19:18
Macerneatojones: yeah.. that seemed to be the same problem i just had19:18
neatojonesMacer: And then she still wouldn't quit calling me.19:18
Maceri tried to break up with her like 10 times already19:18
neatojonesled to a mess19:18
Macerhahhaha19:18
neatojonesand then she got engaged to the guy that my sister liked about 2 months later19:19
Macersame here. she will start calling and calling and i just really want her to sort of fade away19:19
neatojonesGlad I got off that boat.19:19
neatojonesbummer Macer19:19
neatojonesI feel your pain.19:19
Maceri mean i care for the girl but we seriously want way different things19:19
Macerand i finally got fed up and told her that i just really don't want to do it anymore and good bye19:20
neatojonesMy brother always said, "A day without women is like a day without rain."19:20
Macerno. women are great19:21
Maceryou just have to find the right one which is near impossible :)19:21
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neatojonesYou need rain to make things grow and stay exciting.19:21
neatojonesbut, then again, they can get to keep you from other things you enjoy19:21
thuxno woman no cry (b. marley)19:21
Macerthux: haha19:21
Macerthux: i still don't know wtf he was singing about in that song19:22
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neatojonesWell, I'm married.  So, it isn't impossible.19:22
Macerlike.. .the rest of the song doesn't really have to do with women19:22
Macerneatojones: you mean you are married *now*19:22
Macer:)19:22
neatojonesJust gotta figure out what crap you can deal with for the rest of your life Since no one's perfect19:22
Macerstatistically you will get a divorce19:22
neatojonesMacer:  Yep.  Still.19:22
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neatojonesYeah. I keep telling her I'm going to trade her in for a new model* in a few years19:23
neatojonesliterally...a model19:23
neatojones:P19:23
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Macerhah19:23
Macerah well.. going to finish cleaning and take a nap19:23
Macerttyl19:24
neatojoneslater19:24
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lcukits the weekend \o/20:03
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JaffaNot quite :-(20:04
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neatojonesHey everyone.... go post your predictions:  http://www.internettablettalk.com/forums/showthread.php?t=2835120:09
neatojonesqwerty12:  What the heck?20:10
qwerty12Wut? It may be...20:10
qwerty12Unless my crystal ball is messing me around...20:10
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neatojonesI know some people are upset about the wait...but comparing Nokia to Satan goes a little far...20:12
neatojones:)20:12
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qwerty12I guess I'm not gonna win :(20:15
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* RST38h amputates qwerty12's crystal ball20:24
qwerty12NOOO20:25
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lcuklol RST38h dont remove his ball, its the only one hes got left20:25
RST38hIn a piece of brighter news, Nokia Download! has changed its managing entity and they now clearly denote which apps are real free and which ones are crippleware (99% of 'em)20:25
* RST38h gives qwerty12 his ball back20:26
qwerty12Thanks20:26
lcukneatojones, i would prefer to wait and have a decent experience than rush and get it wrong20:27
neatojoneslcuk: I agree with that.20:28
RST38hlcuk: Guess what? You will get both!20:28
RST38hlcuk: You will have to wait and then they will get it all wrong anyway :)20:28
lcukRST38h, im already happy with my current device, high expectations for what ill manage with the new one, but im not at the behest of others code personally :)20:29
RST38hlcuk: Think Modest. Think Clutter. Think Tracker. Think huge green icons on the black background and dialogs missing "close" button.20:29
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RST38hlcuk: Same here, pretty much20:30
lcukRST38h, i have huge black backgrounds and no close buttons now20:30
RST38h'll still be fun to find out how exactly they will screw up this time though.20:30
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lcuki hate to think of it as screwing up20:31
neatojonesI chose May 11 because it's my birthday20:31
neatojonesnot because I think that's gonna be the day :)20:31
neatojonesand July 3rd is the day before the US independence day.20:31
RST38hlcuk: "Every existing user hates it and every new user does not get it" - that is a definition of a screw up20:31
RST38hlcuk: If they get at least ONE of these right, they have got a [partial] success20:32
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lcuki fail to see how collectively it could be so wrong, we havent seen it all and hence unfair assessment20:33
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neatojonesYeah.  It's kind of like seeing an axle and saying it would never work without seeing the wheels mounted20:34
lcukwhat we have seen is that the clothes dont quite fit with existing applications20:34
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lcukbut that doesnt mean that apps written with the UI spec in mind will also look and feel wrong20:35
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RST38hlcuk: Just a few things have to be wrong for the whole thing to be unbearable20:40
RST38hlcuk; Like: slow/unstable web browser + broken mail client + background indexing permanently wasting cpu20:40
RST38hlcuk: tablet is not a pc, it does not have that much 3rd party software and only has a few usage scenarios. Break these - and you have got an epic fail20:41
lcukbut this is linux.  we are in charge of our own destiny, if the device does not suit your personal tastes you can cure it20:41
RST38hlcuk: tablet being "linux" matters to a miniscule group of people20:42
lcukyou are one of them :)20:42
RST38hlcuk: not really20:42
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lcukyou are here and your software makes up a part of the ecosystem20:42
RST38hlcuk: I want tablet to work. If it lets me tweak a few things (being linux), that is a huge plus, but the first thign I want is that it works20:42
RST38hlcuk: My software makes up parts of Windows, Symbian, Win Mobile, FreeBSD, NetBSD, Solaris, and even MSDOS ecosystems20:43
RST38hlcuk: Hell, I have even got a few things written for AmigaOS20:43
lcukheh20:43
RST38hlcuk: So, in a bigger picture of things, Maemo is just one platform, albeit a pretty nice one20:44
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lcukyou do make a good point, and im also hopeful its gonna be excellent.  i personally think that this is part of the hibernation20:46
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RST38hlcuk <-- is talking like an American20:47
lcuk:O20:47
lcuki am northern @/20:48
RST38hDoes it matter THAT MUCH in UK? =)20:48
crashanddieyeah20:48
crashanddielol20:48
crashanddiepeople struggle to understand him20:48
* RST38h vaguely remembers that there is Ireland at the North of UK and the Irish are about as morbid pessimists as Russians20:48
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lcukmy nokia has to hang around my neck and give subtitles20:48
crashanddieRST38h, lmao20:48
crashanddieRST38h, ireland is west of uk20:49
crashanddieRST38h, and not part of it20:49
crashanddieRST38h, you're confused with scotland20:49
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lcukapart from some bit of northern ireland20:49
RST38hcrash: not part of it politically, but I guess they can...mm....walk? :)20:49
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crashanddieRST38h, irish people can fuck off for all I care, they're part of europe and the shengen area, we're not.20:49
RST38hAh no they can't20:49
lcukwould get a bit soggy, theres a big sea in between england and ireland20:49
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* RST38h is real bad on geography it seems20:50
crashanddieit would appear so20:50
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lcukbut your assessment of those from the extreme north (scotland) was spot on!20:50
RST38hHeh20:51
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lcuki put it down to the weather20:51
crashanddieit's like the slashdot post "it would seem the world is having an extraterrestial issue with its northern neighbour -- canada"... erhm, sorry? By world you mean USA? Right20:51
RST38hcrashanddie: I am not THAT bad with geography :)20:51
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crashanddielcuk, 12k :)20:51
RST38hcrashanddie: Just haven't looked at British Islands map closely in a long while20:52
lcukfor bossing some PFYs around?20:52
crashanddielcuk, pfy? Youngest is 31 :D20:52
lcuklol20:52
crashanddieI think20:52
crashanddiedidn't check20:52
RST38hlcuk: It is either weather or a multicentury streak of bad luck :)20:53
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crashanddieRST38h, haven't looked at a map of the US in a long time, still know that new york is on the right hand side, and hawaii is not attached to it20:53
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lcukk, im vanishing20:54
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RST38hcrashanddie: I bet you won't be able to say if Alabama has ocean access without looking at the map though =)20:55
crashanddiei'd say it doesn['t20:56
crashanddiebut am probably wrong20:56
RST38hcrashanddie: yep, but I wouldn't be able to tell it either20:56
lcukgoogle trends just showed a spike, alabama tourist board are doing cartwheels20:59
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RST38hyea, cleaning oil spills away with their hands ASAP =)21:01
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suihkulokkilooking at the map, "does alabama have ocean access" looks like a trick question :)21:02
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Khertan1Hello !21:36
Khertan1ouais et toi ?21:36
Khertan1oups ww21:36
Khertan1someone have already use python-xlib ?21:36
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Khertan1trying to run one of the xlib example code i got an error : XLib.xauth: warning no xauthority details available21:45
Khertan1someone could explain me what it s mean ?21:45
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qwerty12_N800oh, it expects an .Xauthority file but Maemo doesn't have one so I made it generate an empty one  (if it doesn't exist). It can be ignored safely21:47
qwerty12_N800s/have one/have xauth/21:48
infobotqwerty12_N800 meant: oh, it expects an .Xauthority file but Maemo doesn't have xauth so I made it generate an empty one  (if it doesn't exist). It can be ignored safely21:48
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Khertan1oh thanks21:50
Khertan1and what does this file contain ?21:50
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qwerty12_N800usually xauthority data but the  one generated is blank21:52
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Khertan1i see on a google cache on a mailing a high level gui toolkit base on python-xlib21:53
Khertan1but the link is to the forum post is dead21:53
Khertan1did you know something like that ?21:53
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qwerty12_N800No, I wanted to use it for a different, more simpler purpose (setting the name of another app) but I failed in that purpose21:55
Khertan1:)21:55
Khertan1i looking for a simple thing21:55
Khertan1a text box21:55
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Khertan1a checkbox21:55
Khertan1label and button :)21:56
Khertan1nothing complex21:56
Khertan1to do a fast ui for an apps21:56
Khertan1just a test21:56
Khertan1as i m not very happy in fact with gtk21:56
Khertan1at least for a tablet21:56
Khertan1this is not designed to be use on small device21:56
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Khertan1lol : http://blackwm.sourceforge.net/21:58
crashanddieKhertan1, YOU HAVE SEEN THE LIGHT!21:59
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Khertan1crashanddie: haha22:01
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Khertan1crashanddie: and from what i ve see ... qt isn't not better22:01
crashanddieso qt is better?22:02
lcukKhertan1, the problem is lower than gtk on this device22:02
lcukcrash qt has same issues, khertan1, have you tried simply changing your theme to something minimalistic and styleless22:02
Khertan1lcuk ... nope22:02
Khertan1i ven't found any minimalistic theme22:03
lcukit was an idea i had originally22:03
lcukpart of the problem is the amount of drawing ops - removing them should help22:03
Khertan1i more thinking of doing my own GUI Toolkit ...22:03
lcukcome help with mine - the source is on .git server :)22:03
Khertan1done with line, point and line22:03
Khertan1the problem of yours is that ... i can't use it with python22:04
Khertan1:)22:04
lcukyeah i know22:04
lcukbut i do my building on device22:04
lcukjust like you :)22:04
Khertan1and the other problem is that it s seems i'm not enough competent to do the binding myself :)22:04
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lcukhopefully that shouldnt take long - the library is solidifying nicely, im just building the ui components piece by piece now22:06
lcukmaking sure i can use them all as expected22:06
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lcukKhertan1, ill keep my eye out for python people who might have a go at making a binding :)22:07
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fireun"snake people"22:09
lcuko_O22:09
Khertan1lcuk great22:09
lcukhows dayjob comin on?22:10
Khertan1what widget did you have already implemented in the superliqbase toolkit22:11
Khertan1?22:11
lcukhows your dayjob..22:11
Khertan1not so quite good ...22:11
Khertan1i'm rewritting some poorly coded things22:12
Khertan1which i should not rewrite22:12
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Khertan1in my dayjob i'm not suppose to do python things...22:12
Khertan1but the middleware is coded in python ... and is clearly bugged22:12
lcukerr - a label, image, sketch, basic text editor, basic treeview (http://liqbase.net/liq.20090414_232105.lib.scr.png) toolbars (top and side) floating calendar ( http://liqbase.net/liq.20090413_153415.lib.scr.png  ) and a bunch of other secret ones :)22:13
* Khertan1 don't like the toolbar on top or left :) but it s a personnal choice :)22:14
RST38hlcuk: Have you got at least one finished app using liqbase?22:15
lcukbutton style or fact its a toolbar?22:15
lcukyes its released RST38h22:15
lcuki told you i use it all the time22:15
lcuki wouldv carried on writing stuffs in there, but it couldnt do what i needed, hence this rebuild22:16
* lcuk hated the fact it was all mashed together22:16
lcukcoding wise22:16
Khertan1:)22:16
lcukso now everything is built external to the playground22:17
lcukand can run on its own22:17
lcukor can sit just as happily in the playground22:17
RST38hok, is there an application deb?22:18
Khertan1from my test doing some drawing in a gtk.DrawArea and an other test doing the same things with xlib22:18
RST38hand what does application do?22:18
Khertan1it s clear that i ll not use any more gtk :)22:18
lcukliqbase takes notes its in garage :)22:18
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qwerty12_N800Khertan1: you can't use the hildon input method with xlib (unless you do that xmessage stuff) :P22:19
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lcukqwerty12_N800, do you remember the guy that did pyqt scroller22:20
lcukKhertan1, have you tried pyqt22:20
Khertan1qwerty12_N800 ... HO MY GOD ... NO HILDON INPUT ... arg22:20
Khertan1lcuk: from what i ve see on my desktop computer ... i prefer to not install it on my nit22:20
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lcuklbt, you got your qt kinetic vid handy?22:21
lbtyup22:21
lcukKhertan1, its worth a try at the very least22:21
lcuk:)22:22
lbthttp://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4TxAIScXQvk22:22
lbt(Qt, not Shopper)22:22
Khertan1yeah yeah ... i should try. ... but only if there is python binding :)22:22
RST38hlcuk: Lemme reinstall... =)22:22
qwerty12_N800Khertan1: yep, PyQt22:22
Khertan1but using pyqt means learn qt22:22
Khertan1and something i like with gtk ... it s glade22:23
lbtKhertan1: it's beyond you...22:23
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lbtHave you seen QtDesigner?22:23
lbtit runs on the tablet...22:23
lbt(course it's a bit cramped)22:23
lcuki gather david you can take something designed on desktop and copied over22:24
lbtgnuton got QtDesigner to work on the desktop and make tablet apps22:24
lbtso yes22:24
lbtI mean, it's trivial to do normally22:24
lcukgood22:24
lbtI think he did something extra22:25
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lcukhave you had confirmation of your bug by the way22:26
lcukor has it just sat idle22:26
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lbtWe have read your email but require more time to deal with it. We have22:26
lbtassigned it the issue number #251527. Please use this number if you email22:26
Khertan1lbt: don t know that qtdesigner run on a tablet22:27
Khertan1but it could be interesting22:27
lbtwant a screenshot?22:27
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lcuki do!22:27
lbtit's not usable :)22:27
Khertan1:(22:27
Khertan1glade is useable on a nit22:27
Khertan1:)22:27
lbtthe design area is about 2mm^222:27
lcukit could be hacked to usability couldnt it22:27
lbtnah - it's a real-estate issue22:28
lcuklets see pic22:28
lcukheh22:28
lcukpics or it didn't happen!22:28
lbthold on, let me just install it on Mer22:28
Khertan1ah you mean on mer :(22:28
* Khertan1 can't really use it yet22:29
lbtno, I'm booted into Met22:29
lbtMer22:29
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Khertan1ha :)22:29
lbtso it's quicker to install/snap than reboot22:29
lbtOK, Mer has a bigger screen but...22:29
lcuklbt, you are such a good advocate for qt :D22:29
lbtthey should pay me22:30
lbt(or hire me)22:30
lcukheh - when nokians install your shopper you could automatically add a secret entry22:30
lcuk"hire david"22:30
Khertan1lol22:31
qwerty12_N800lcuk: or a license agreement in the preinst, eh? ;P22:31
Khertan1i should do that too on my soft :)22:31
lbtundelete-able22:31
lcukheh22:31
lbtooh, nice qwerty12_N80022:31
lcuk"by installing this software you agree to give lbt a job"22:31
Khertan1the license agreement ... yep the thing that noone read22:31
Khertan1quite good idea22:32
qwerty12_N800lbt: I know :D (lcuk didn't think so :P)22:32
lcukthats cos u called me a northerner \@/22:32
lcuk.excuse me everyone.22:32
lcukqwerty you fuckweasel!22:32
* lcuk coughs22:33
qwerty12_N800northern tosser.  :P22:33
lcuk:D22:33
lcukim goin codin anyway22:33
lcukbbiab22:34
lcuklbt, shout me if you get a photo22:34
* lbt mutters that aptitude is slow with no memory!22:34
Khertan1apt-get install python2.5-qt4*22:34
Khertan1E: Not enough space available22:35
Khertan1:(22:35
qwerty12_N800lbt: real men use dselect22:35
lbtneed to make the OBS repo a higer priority than ubuntu so I get the maemo Qt which has a lower version than the ubuntu one22:36
* Khertan1 must go on22:36
lbt(this is a generic Mer issue too)22:36
qwerty12_N800(and then are forced to tears)22:36
Khertan1bye22:36
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fireunreal men compile from source after applying obscure patches22:36
lbtfireun: real men have their own build system22:36
lbtoh, wait...22:37
* Meiz_n810 opens up wikipedia to see what are the specs of real men22:37
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qwerty12_N800google image it  *cough*22:38
lcuklol qwerty, you can't talk, its set as your homopage :P22:39
qwerty12_N800shit, have you put spyware on my computer? :(22:39
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lcukheh i feel sorry for any poor bastard who does22:40
qwerty12_N800I knew liqbase.x86 was too good to be true...22:40
lcukliqbase.windows7.exe you mean22:41
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cousinitthi all, i'm having trouble trying to install libqt4-dev from the extras repository (I do not have extras-devel activated)23:01
cousinittI get: : Depends: libqt4-help (= 4.4.3-1maemo0) but it is not installable23:01
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cousinittno ideeas ?23:06
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qwerty12_N800I'm pretty sure extras-devel has a higher version - I've got qt4.5, from extras-devel, installed here fine23:09
cousinittbut i have 4.4.3 on my tablet and I would like to compile using that23:09
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qwerty12_N800Time to upgrade?  apt is letting me install libqt4-dev fine23:11
cousinitt4.5 worked for me too form extras-devel23:12
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woglindehm the latest packages have some problems23:25
woglindekeyboard not working23:25
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