| lakin | And it's harder to see the tears cause you can only scroll vertically, not diagonally | 00:00 |
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| lcuk | but they were clear as day in sdl when i was doing it there | 00:00 |
| lcuk | same with the bookreader stuff | 00:01 |
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| lakin | I'm not saying your code is as bad as the SDL code that you wrote. I'm simply saying that on my machine, scrolling diagonally on the blit test results in tearing that is as severe as the SDL apps that I have running on the machine | 00:01 |
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| lakin | Which means I'm back to the beginning - trying to figure out a way to render animation on this thing without the tearing. | 00:02 |
| lcuk | then based on everything ive heard and seen, i would at this point say your machine is faulty \:p/ | 00:02 |
| lakin | lol | 00:02 |
| lakin | A faster LCD refresh rate would exhibit the same symptoms without my machine being faulty. But it's entirely possible that it is | 00:03 |
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| lcuk | does the map tear? | 00:04 |
| lcuk | cos if it did the trainlines would be broken and ive never seen it | 00:05 |
| lakin | yeah, it tears | 00:07 |
| lcuk | its a real shame you cant make a video showing it | 00:07 |
| lcuk | can you see the tearing in any of the vids of mine on youtube? | 00:08 |
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| lcuk | i know its harder to tell, but whenever i see other 8x0 vids its still noticable | 00:09 |
| * lakin looks | 00:09 | |
| lcuk | http://www.youtube.com/user/lcukmaemo | 00:09 |
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| lakin | Do you do any diagonal scrolling | 00:10 |
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| lcuk | i assume i do at some point in the vids | 00:11 |
| lcuk | but ive got coding to do | 00:11 |
| lcuk | give me a shout if you find anything | 00:11 |
| lakin | lcuk: sure - if you have a high quality video device maybe you could upload a video of diagonal scrolling of the blittest/map test and let me see it so I can help figure out if it is indeed my machine, or if I'm seeing things? | 00:12 |
| lcuk | i fail to see it, you prove your case to me | 00:13 |
| lcuk | ive got work to do :) | 00:13 |
| lakin | So do I | 00:13 |
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| lakin | lcuk: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BfuY_fglmD8 there is tearing in that one | 00:21 |
| lakin | But it's hard to see/point out due to the video compression - but I'm pretty sure it's there | 00:21 |
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| lcuk | lakin - where? i quite clearly whizz the map around fullscreen panning and still fail to see it - timecodes exist for a reason | 00:25 |
| lakin | 2:05 | 00:26 |
| lcuk | at 205 i scaleblitted too few items for a screen so it didnt draw everything | 00:26 |
| lcuk | that surely isnt what you mean? | 00:26 |
| lcuk | ie i made it too thin to need to draw all the screen | 00:27 |
| lcuk | it doesnt actually tear tho? | 00:27 |
| lakin | I'm saying that on the edge of the picture that's really dark, the edge isn't lined up | 00:27 |
| lcuk | before that when its big enough to be moving diagonally | 00:27 |
| lakin | again, it _could_ be due in this case to video compression | 00:27 |
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| lcuk | well the map is panned around laglessly and you can clearly see each trainline and they all stay together according to my eyes - do they for you? | 00:28 |
| lakin | what time code is that in? | 00:29 |
| lcuk | 2:30 | 00:29 |
| lakin | definitely see it | 00:29 |
| lakin | again it could (in this case) be due to the video compression | 00:30 |
| lcuk | whatever, gnite | 00:30 |
| lakin | g'night | 00:30 |
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| Blafasel | Hmm.. Interesting conversation.. | 00:31 |
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| thopiekar | k | 00:32 |
| lakin | Anyone else see the tearing in liqbase - or is it just me? I'm willing to admit that my n810 might be defective, but if it is I'd like to determine that definitively so I can get it fixed or get a new one | 00:32 |
| thopiekar | the question that makes me going crazy the last days is how to call my sync'ing app... atm I'm aiming to get it working syncing a folder with a ftp-server.. as a gui I have choosen (py)qt4.. | 00:33 |
| lakin | personally I'm not terribly interested in liqbase - more interested in documentation about how to code in a way that avoids the tearing myself. But because it's so clearly there in liqbase, and that's the apparent "gold-standard" in terms of graphics stuff on Maemo - it's got me thinking that it's actually impossible | 00:34 |
| lakin | or that my device is defective | 00:35 |
| lakin | any other opinions? | 00:35 |
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| guysoft422 | yay, i found what i needed;http://freefoote.dview.net/linux_gpscorr.html .. this is really cool. | 00:48 |
| guysoft422 | with this, and a working maemo mapper, i can geo-locate pictuers with any camera that has a synced time data.. | 00:49 |
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| joyrider | lakin is your "animation" fullscreen ? if not try using updaterects if you haven't already tried that or are doing that, instead of sdl_flip so that you don't update the whole screen. it doesn't get rid of tearing but according to the wiki makes it happen less | 00:54 |
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| lakin | joyrider: did that, tearing is still terrible | 00:55 |
| lakin | Even tried the Xsp version | 00:55 |
| lakin | I have a half written version based on the yuv Xv that's in liqbase. I'll probably finish that as the tearing in liqbase is much _less_ than my SDL version now that I look at it again, but tearing is still there | 00:56 |
| joyrider | hmm i really don't notice it on my device / game(s) except when i ran that scrolling demo thing | 00:56 |
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| lakin | joyrider: run which scrolling demo thing? | 00:56 |
| joyrider | it's an sdl test that just scrolls ans image with text that makes the tearing really noticeable | 00:57 |
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| lakin | heh, ok. Have you tried liqbase? | 00:59 |
| joyrider | No i haven't, but i think i don't notice the tearing because i limited my fps to 30 and 40 in my games it seems to happen more often when having more fps | 00:59 |
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| joyrider | i'll try liqbase to see if i can notice it, but i really didn't notice it until i ran that sdl scrolling demo on my device | 01:00 |
| joyrider | i didn't even know what it was before that :) | 01:00 |
| lakin | heh | 01:00 |
| joyrider | btw do u have a sample somewhere of the animation in question ? | 01:01 |
| lakin | of my animation? No, not really | 01:02 |
| lakin | I should prepare one | 01:02 |
| joyrider | where exactly do u notice it in liqbase ? | 01:03 |
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| lakin | In the map / blit demo | 01:04 |
| lakin | you have to click on 'options' to get those options | 01:04 |
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| lakin | In the blit test I notice it most when scrolling diagonally | 01:05 |
| lakin | there is a picture that is close to black (or at least really dark) and the edges will misalign pretty badly on my device | 01:05 |
| joyrider | hmm can't tell that i notice it | 01:06 |
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| lakin | Ok, cool. | 01:07 |
| lakin | thanks for checking into it. Maybe it is my device | 01:07 |
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| joyrider | if you'd like i can test out your binary if you have one, to see if i can notice it on my device | 01:08 |
| lakin | Yeah, let me rebuild it | 01:08 |
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| thopiekar | good night.. | 01:13 |
| thopiekar | cu l8er | 01:13 |
| joyrider | bye | 01:13 |
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| lakin | joyrider: http://lakin.weckers.net/static/logo/sa-logo.tar.gz there is a terrible version, but it runs and shows the tearing | 01:28 |
| joyrider | ok i'll try it out | 01:28 |
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| joyrider | hmm i can see it quite clear now yes | 01:32 |
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| lakin | more clearly than in liqbase, huh? | 01:33 |
| joyrider | yes | 01:34 |
| lbt | night all | 01:35 |
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| lakin | joyrider: heh, at least it runs. *smirk* | 01:35 |
| lakin | I'll keep going with the yuv/xv based one see if that helps at all | 01:35 |
| joyrider | hehe yes :) | 01:35 |
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| johnx | hallo | 03:01 |
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| qwerty12_N800 | ello johnx | 03:03 |
| johnx | hey qwerty12_N800. How goes it? | 03:03 |
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| qwerty12_N800 | i'm all good, thanks. How about you? :) | 03:04 |
| johnx | pretty good actually. Just got done updating (read: rewrting) my resume. total PITA, but it's done (!) | 03:05 |
| qwerty12_N800 | hehe, I'll have to start preparing for college interviews in a few weeks... | 03:06 |
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| johnx | now it's time to play with mer on my newly undead zaurus :D | 03:13 |
| johnx | wow. madness. you starting college in fall 2009 or 2010? | 03:13 |
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| qwerty12_N800 | johnx: heh, this year :/ | 03:26 |
| johnx | why the ':/ | 03:26 |
| johnx | ? | 03:26 |
| qwerty12_N800 | dunno, just the fact that i'll be leaving school and such :) | 03:27 |
| johnx | always good to move onto new things once in a while. keeps you on your toes :D | 03:28 |
| qwerty12_N800 | :D | 03:28 |
| qwerty12_N800 | Midori was pretty stable actually, turns out hildon-desktop was killing it because it was missing an osso_initalize... | 03:29 |
| johnx | ah! can't believe I didn't think of that | 03:30 |
| qwerty12_N800 | yeah, I only noticed when someone said it wasn't crashing when launched from the terminal | 03:30 |
| johnx | well that's pretty awesome then | 03:31 |
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| luke-jr | ugh, libX11 takes forever to build | 04:08 |
| johnx | luke-jr, building natively on the n800? | 04:08 |
| luke-jr | N810, but yes | 04:09 |
| luke-jr | I am installing Gentoo | 04:09 |
| luke-jr | btw, check out my map http://dashjr.org/maps/wifi/ | 04:09 |
| johnx | did you look at using opensuse builder? | 04:10 |
| luke-jr | no | 04:10 |
| luke-jr | ooooo, navit is a CPU hog | 04:10 |
| * luke-jr kills it | 04:10 | |
| johnx | strange. that map scrolls a lot slower than the normal google maps... | 04:11 |
| luke-jr | johnx: it has a ton of AP points | 04:11 |
| luke-jr | johnx: zoom out a bit ;) | 04:11 |
| GeneralAntilles | krisse's back (temporarily) | 04:13 |
| GeneralAntilles | and just as confused as ever. | 04:13 |
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| luke-jr | who's krisse? | 04:14 |
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| GeneralAntilles | The person behind the Tablet School and Tablet Scene. | 04:18 |
| GeneralAntilles | Who lost her head a few months ago and left the community. | 04:19 |
| luke-jr | wtf? | 04:19 |
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| npatt0n | does anybody know what the defualt root password is for the nokia n810 | 04:33 |
| zakkm | there isnt one | 04:33 |
| zakkm | you would passwd and set one | 04:33 |
| zakkm | npatt0n: does it ask for one? | 04:33 |
| npatt0n | yeah | 04:33 |
| zakkm | npatt0n: you need packages to become root for default terminal? | 04:33 |
| zakkm | try sudo gainroot | 04:34 |
| zakkm | that should make you root | 04:34 |
| npatt0n | I'm trying to set proxy settings | 04:34 |
| johnx | I think the default password is unmatchable. Install rootsh or openssh-server to get root | 04:34 |
| npatt0n | when I do sudo gain root it still asks for a password | 04:34 |
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| zakkm | yeah iwas thinking its hashed or something, not something you could type/random | 04:35 |
| npatt0n | ok | 04:35 |
| zakkm | gainroot< --- one word? | 04:35 |
| zakkm | its not sudo gain root | 04:35 |
| npatt0n | do you know how I can get tear to work with an http proxy? | 04:35 |
| zakkm | i dont, still use OS2007 :) | 04:35 |
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| zakkm | sorry | 04:35 |
| npatt0n | o | 04:36 |
| npatt0n | ok | 04:36 |
| npatt0n | well thanks anyway | 04:36 |
| johnx | npatt0n, it might honor environment variables like HTTP_PROXY (sp?). I don't really know | 04:36 |
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| zakkm | johnx: according to forum, it doesnt | 04:36 |
| luke-jr | YAY | 04:37 |
| luke-jr | libX11 finished compiling | 04:37 |
| zakkm | npatt0n: setting http proxy for the hotspot doesnt work? | 04:37 |
| zakkm | luke-jr: slow machine? :) | 04:37 |
| luke-jr | zakkm: N810 | 04:37 |
| zakkm | you compile on the nokia itself? | 04:37 |
| luke-jr | yeah | 04:37 |
| luke-jr | I do now | 04:37 |
| luke-jr | XD | 04:37 |
| zakkm | seems best effective, but very slow method | 04:38 |
| luke-jr | I'm not going to even try tempting KDE 4.2 to cross compile | 04:38 |
| zakkm | 12 hours? :) | 04:38 |
| luke-jr | I know KDE 3.5 was impossible | 04:38 |
| zakkm | kde4 would compile faster than kde3. | 04:38 |
| zakkm | they dont use gcc for kde4. | 04:38 |
| luke-jr | bs | 04:38 |
| luke-jr | everything uses gcc | 04:38 |
| zakkm | they use cmake for kde4? | 04:39 |
| luke-jr | … | 04:39 |
| luke-jr | gcc is a compiler | 04:39 |
| luke-jr | cmake is a build system | 04:39 |
| zakkm | ahh | 04:39 |
| zakkm | so im wrong | 04:39 |
| luke-jr | build system doesn't take up significant time | 04:39 |
| zakkm | i remember desktop though, it took faster to do kde4 than kde3? | 04:39 |
| luke-jr | maybe | 04:39 |
| zakkm | might of been less packages tohugh mind you | 04:39 |
| luke-jr | but not because it doesn't use GCC ;) | 04:39 |
| zakkm | gentoo x86_64 | 04:39 |
| luke-jr | yeah | 04:39 |
| luke-jr | I'm installing Gentoo on my N810 | 04:40 |
| zakkm | got the right cflags? | 04:40 |
| luke-jr | yeah | 04:40 |
| luke-jr | ☺ | 04:40 |
| zakkm | luke-jr: put compile dir, in ram.. some of it | 04:40 |
| zakkm | it would help compile time | 04:40 |
| luke-jr | -march=armv6j -mtune=arm1136jf-s -mfpu=vfp | 04:40 |
| luke-jr | --param ggc-min-expand=0 --param ggc-min-heapsize=32768 | 04:41 |
| zakkm | wow | 04:41 |
| zakkm | i dont know what half that stuff is ;p but it looks complete ;p | 04:41 |
| luke-jr | would it? N810 is short on RAM already.. | 04:41 |
| zakkm | put a % | 04:41 |
| luke-jr | ? | 04:41 |
| zakkm | mount with % of ram | 04:41 |
| luke-jr | … | 04:41 |
| zakkm | rather than a meg amount | 04:41 |
| luke-jr | then it would just run out of space | 04:41 |
| zakkm | no | 04:42 |
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| zakkm | ohh | 04:42 |
| zakkm | didnt think straight | 04:42 |
| zakkm | i guess if you do it for small packages? | 04:42 |
| luke-jr | maybe | 04:43 |
| zakkm | helped alot on desktop, cut by like 2-3x but didnt have ram to worry about | 04:43 |
| luke-jr | I'll let vanilla-sources finish first ☺ | 04:43 |
| luke-jr | then I'll do benchmark | 04:43 |
| luke-jr | on some small pkg | 04:43 |
| zakkm | just use time | 04:43 |
| zakkm | time emerge .. | 04:44 |
| luke-jr | I know | 04:44 |
| zakkm | when i think of benchmark i think of some hugee program to test cpu and such ;p | 04:44 |
| zakkm | i wanted to try and "port" gentoo, but im not skilled enough | 04:45 |
| zakkm | luke-jr: what would you install on it? | 04:46 |
| z4chh | zakkm, same here with arch ;o | 04:46 |
| zakkm | whats the purpose your doing it for | 04:46 |
| zakkm | z4chh: arch doesnt have ARM support? | 04:46 |
| zakkm | z4chh: arch is x86/x86_64, it would be impossible. | 04:47 |
| johnx | I think you'd just end up swapping more on the tablet | 04:47 |
| z4chh | arch doesn't support it officially | 04:47 |
| luke-jr | zakkm: ? | 04:47 |
| zakkm | arch supports it unofficially? | 04:48 |
| luke-jr | http://slonopotamus.org/gentoo-on-n8x0 | 04:48 |
| zakkm | noo | 04:48 |
| zakkm | luke-jr: gentoo does, archlinux doesnt | 04:48 |
| zakkm | z4chh: arch is fully opensource? | 04:48 |
| z4chh | zakkm, it would be possible but hard | 04:48 |
| luke-jr | zakkm: Gentoo for N810 is unofficial | 04:49 |
| zakkm | yeah but gentoo has ARM support | 04:49 |
| zakkm | Archlinux is x86 only. | 04:49 |
| zakkm | luke-jr: link doesnt work | 04:49 |
| zakkm | Safari can’t open the page “http://slonopotamus.org/gentoo-on-n8x0” because it can’t find the server “slonopotamus.org”. | 04:49 |
| z4chh | zakkm, you can compile for ARM | 04:49 |
| luke-jr | zakkm: fix your DNS server | 04:49 |
| zakkm | fix it? i wasnt aware it was broken | 04:50 |
| zakkm | its my default ISP dns server? | 04:50 |
| luke-jr | that error says it is | 04:50 |
| zakkm | i know | 04:50 |
| zakkm | im messing around | 04:50 |
| johnx | zakkm, comes up here | 04:50 |
| zakkm | i didnt mess with my dns server though, its my default isp one | 04:50 |
| johnx | then it looks like you need to fix *their* DNS server :) | 04:50 |
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| zakkm | doesnt work even if i google it | 04:51 |
| zakkm | google cache works though ;p | 04:51 |
| zakkm | lol weirdd | 04:51 |
| zakkm | went to google cache one, then gentoo on n8x0 which took it off cache, and it works | 04:51 |
| zakkm | yeah i saw this page before, i was sort of waiting for the wifi though :) | 04:51 |
| luke-jr | zakkm: it works, just not documented | 04:51 |
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| zakkm | and im tired of messing much with my tablet, i installed OS2007 on it just so i would be stuck and cant mess with it | 04:52 |
| luke-jr | why 2007? | 04:52 |
| luke-jr | old | 04:52 |
| zakkm | exactly | 04:52 |
| zakkm | i couldnt do anything with it | 04:52 |
| luke-jr | O.o | 04:52 |
| luke-jr | why buy it | 04:52 |
| zakkm | ? | 04:52 |
| zakkm | lol i use it purely as a mplayer player | 04:52 |
| zakkm | it has mplayer. runs fine | 04:53 |
| zakkm | simple web and modest | 04:53 |
| luke-jr | O.o | 04:53 |
| zakkm | got newest evince going | 04:53 |
| zakkm | i used to mess with it, im just tired of it | 04:53 |
| zakkm | luke-jr: thought of a different location for portage tree? | 04:54 |
| luke-jr | no? | 04:54 |
| luke-jr | why would I? | 04:54 |
| zakkm | storage wise? | 04:54 |
| luke-jr | perfectly happy with it in /usr/portage | 04:54 |
| luke-jr | my rootfs is 7 GB | 04:55 |
| zakkm | :) | 04:55 |
| zakkm | i only have a 4gb card | 04:55 |
| luke-jr | me too until Newegg had a deal | 04:55 |
| luke-jr | $16 for 8 GB | 04:55 |
| zakkm | why not O3? | 04:55 |
| luke-jr | O3? | 04:55 |
| zakkm | Replace -Os optimization level with -O2 | 04:56 |
| luke-jr | because I'm more concerned with memory use ☺ | 04:56 |
| luke-jr | and smaller size fits better in CPU cache | 04:56 |
| luke-jr | the other N810/Gentoo guy is using -O2 | 04:56 |
| zakkm | do you have parrellelfetch? | 04:56 |
| luke-jr | we're going to compare | 04:56 |
| Pavlov | Os os often faster than O2 | 04:56 |
| Pavlov | or O3 | 04:56 |
| luke-jr | dunno | 04:56 |
| Pavlov | er, is | 04:56 |
| zakkm | its a make.conf "tweak" | 04:57 |
| zakkm | By default when you emerge a long list of packages in Gentoo you have to download each package completely before the build process can begin. This can be a large bottleneck, especially if your internet connection is not very fast. | 04:57 |
| zakkm | From now on Portage will fetch the source files for the next package in the list even while it is compiling another package. | 04:57 |
| luke-jr | zakkm: screen -S fetch emerge -f … | 04:57 |
| luke-jr | ☺ | 04:57 |
| zakkm | just a simple make.conf "addon" though | 04:57 |
| zakkm | FEATURES="parallel-fetch" | 04:57 |
| luke-jr | if I want parallel fetch, I want it to fetch everything, not just the next pkg | 04:58 |
| luke-jr | all 1..100 pkg files | 04:58 |
| luke-jr | while 1 is compiling | 04:58 |
| zakkm | not everybody knows that though. | 04:58 |
| zakkm | lol | 04:58 |
| zakkm | im just looking through your guide thinking of little tweaks to it | 04:58 |
| luke-jr | not my guide | 04:58 |
| zakkm | not saying you should do them, just yeah | 04:59 |
| zakkm | oh | 04:59 |
| luke-jr | though I think I'll be stuck writing docs for kb | 04:59 |
| luke-jr | the guy who made that guide only has N800 | 04:59 |
| zakkm | i have a n800 :) | 04:59 |
| zakkm | so mad, i want n810 lol | 04:59 |
| luke-jr | the keyboard sucks | 04:59 |
| luke-jr | get a bluetooth one and be happy ☺ | 04:59 |
| zakkm | ill trade you my 800 and $50 , ill add a female to female adapter with it :P | 05:00 |
| zakkm | so you can plug in usb keyboards | 05:00 |
| luke-jr | lol | 05:00 |
| zakkm | im serious? | 05:00 |
| luke-jr | if you can hack that N800 into my Zaurus C760's shell, I'll do the trade ;) | 05:00 |
| luke-jr | C760 keyboard was awesome | 05:01 |
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| zakkm | i cant hack. | 05:01 |
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| b-man | lol | 05:01 |
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| luke-jr | … | 05:01 |
| zakkm | b-man: isnt my n800 + $50 cash + female to female adapter .. worth luke-jr's n810 ? | 05:01 |
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| zakkm | b-man: isnt my n800 + $50 cash + female to female adapter .. worth luke-jr's n810 ? | 05:01 |
| luke-jr | unfortunately, zakkm, I like to compute while driving | 05:02 |
| luke-jr | I don't see how I could do that at all with a N800 | 05:02 |
| zakkm | my trading my n800 too | 05:02 |
| zakkm | ?? | 05:02 |
| luke-jr | ? | 05:02 |
| zakkm | onscreen keyboard? no diff ;p | 05:02 |
| * GeneralAntilles remembers to stay off the road while luke-jr is driving. | 05:02 | |
| luke-jr | very diff | 05:02 |
| luke-jr | lol GeneralAntilles | 05:02 |
| luke-jr | I'm safe ☺ | 05:02 |
| * b-man uses his N800 for just about anything | 05:02 | |
| luke-jr | I keep one hand on the wheel and glance at the road often | 05:02 |
| GeneralAntilles | luke-jr, bullshit. | 05:03 |
| GeneralAntilles | You're, what, 18? | 05:03 |
| luke-jr | XD | 05:03 |
| luke-jr | no | 05:03 |
| b-man | lol | 05:03 |
| luke-jr | 23 | 05:03 |
| zakkm | IM 18! :) | 05:03 |
| GeneralAntilles | Worse | 05:03 |
| b-man | i'm 16 XD | 05:03 |
| luke-jr | GeneralAntilles: I've been driving 7 years with no tickets or accidents | 05:03 |
| luke-jr | that's gotta count for SOMETHING | 05:04 |
| zakkm | luck. | 05:04 |
| GeneralAntilles | Which just means you've been lulled into a false sense of security. | 05:04 |
| luke-jr | >_< | 05:04 |
| GeneralAntilles | Accidents don't have to be caused by you. | 05:04 |
| luke-jr | GeneralAntilles: I even avoided a very close call successfully | 05:04 |
| luke-jr | I had to accelerate in reverse, on ice | 05:04 |
| luke-jr | the guy coming down the hill couldn't stop | 05:05 |
| luke-jr | and either side of the road had a ditch | 05:05 |
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| johnx | well, just think of how much *better* of a driver you'd be if you focused all your attention on driving :P | 05:06 |
| luke-jr | though admittedly, that was probably God's handiwork and not my own, given how freaked out I was | 05:06 |
| b-man | lol | 05:06 |
| luke-jr | johnx: but then I'd miss kismet picking up APs! | 05:06 |
| lcuk | luke-jr, where abouts are you | 05:06 |
| luke-jr | lcuk: Omaha, why? | 05:06 |
| * b-man starts screwing around with FreeDos on his N800 | 05:07 | |
| lcuk | thank fuck im in a different country :) you are driving a 1 tonne killing machine. concentrate on the road | 05:07 |
| b-man | lol | 05:07 |
| luke-jr | XD | 05:07 |
| johnx | lcuk++ | 05:07 |
| luke-jr | Omaha Linux User Group opinions seem to be more pro-computing-while-driving | 05:08 |
| GeneralAntilles | Definitely avoid Omaha | 05:09 |
| b-man | lol | 05:09 |
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| b-man | GeneralAntilles: http://www.ohiolinux.org/ | 05:10 |
| luke-jr | oh | 05:11 |
| b-man | XD | 05:11 |
| luke-jr | they just realized I wasn't talking about Kansas | 05:11 |
| luke-jr | and that there are other cars around | 05:11 |
| luke-jr | guess they don't support me :< | 05:11 |
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| luke-jr | … they tell me to stick to texting/twittering | 05:12 |
| luke-jr | wtf | 05:12 |
| luke-jr | how is that different? | 05:12 |
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| luke-jr | rofl | 05:16 |
| luke-jr | "you are driving, coding, installing linux on an N810 AND on IRC⁇⁇?" | 05:16 |
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| Z357765413591701 | LOL!!!!!! XD XD XD XD XD | 05:17 |
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| luke-jr | FireFox16: stop that | 05:19 |
| FireFox16 | ok XD | 05:19 |
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| * FireFox16 discovers that the arm port of qemu also supports intel core2duo emulation | 05:22 | |
| FireFox16 | >:) | 05:23 |
| * FireFox16 's tablet is going to blow up | 05:23 | |
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| zakkm | /me requests a video of Firefox16's tablet blowing up | 05:24 |
| zakkm | what the /me doesnt work? | 05:24 |
| FireFox16 | XD | 05:24 |
| * FireFox16 | 05:25 | |
| luke-jr | zakkm: you put a space before it | 05:25 |
| * zakkm ah | 05:26 | |
| zakkm | ohh | 05:26 |
| zakkm | -.- | 05:26 |
| FireFox16 | lol | 05:26 |
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| luke-jr | hmm | 05:52 |
| luke-jr | 2 seconds difference tmpfs vs MMC for compiling | 05:52 |
| luke-jr | ed | 05:52 |
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| zakkm | luke-jr: it probably went into swap then / how long was total compile? | 06:00 |
| luke-jr | zakkm: about 3 mins | 06:07 |
| zakkm | oh wow | 06:07 |
| luke-jr | closer to 4 | 06:07 |
| zakkm | then thers not enough ram, i assume | 06:07 |
| zakkm | you sure you tmpfs the right directory? | 06:07 |
| zakkm | .. /var/tmp/portage? | 06:07 |
| luke-jr | yes | 06:08 |
| luke-jr | I am timing a larger build now | 06:08 |
| zakkm | it probably lacks ram then | 06:10 |
| luke-jr | or teh compile was too short | 06:11 |
| luke-jr | and the time was all dependency calculations | 06:11 |
| luke-jr | that si why I am timing a longer build | 06:11 |
| zakkm | theorically it would work more significantly cause it would have faster read and write | 06:11 |
| zakkm | and compile relies quite alot on that | 06:11 |
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| luke-jr | tslib | 06:12 |
| luke-jr | 14 min 16 sec with tmpfs | 06:13 |
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| luke-jr | 13m36s with MMC | 06:27 |
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| Macer | Stskeeps: get it yet? | 07:04 |
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| luke-jr | >>> Emerging (18 of 67) x11-proto/scrnsaverproto-1.1.0 | 08:07 |
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| Stskeeps | Macer: under customs treatment | 08:39 |
| johnx | hey Stskeeps | 08:43 |
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| RST38h | moo johnx, sts | 09:06 |
| johnx | how goes it on this fine morning (?) RST38h? | 09:06 |
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| RST38h | johnx: still sick | 09:08 |
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| RST38h | johnx: and the thermometer shows 35.9oC which probably means the rigor mortis is not that far off. | 09:09 |
| johnx | bummer. sorry to hear that | 09:09 |
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| thux | morning | 09:28 |
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| jaem | hey folks | 09:36 |
| Meiz_n810 | hi jaem | 09:37 |
| jaem | how're things in #maemo? | 09:38 |
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| jaem | oh wow... there's an obvious typo in my new laptop's BIOS | 09:45 |
| jaem | oops | 09:45 |
| qrit | i finally broke down and ordered n810! and amazon shipped it 4 hours later, says tomarrow should be here! :D | 09:48 |
| jaem | qrit: woot! | 09:49 |
| jaem | I hope you like it :D | 09:49 |
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| qrit | hope so too been curious about it for a long time :) you have one? | 09:49 |
| jaem | yep - since last September | 09:50 |
| qrit | what kind of typo we talking about in your bios? | 09:50 |
| qrit | cool beans!! what do you use it for the most? | 09:50 |
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| jaem | qrit[0]: they spelled one their headings "diagnotics" [sic] | 09:51 |
| jaem | qrit[1]: the N810 is really a jack of all trades, so to speak - it doesn't do all things amazingly, but it's useful for so many different things that it makes up for it | 09:52 |
| jaem | it's great around campus, as I can just pull it out of my belt pouch and look up something on the spot | 09:52 |
| jaem | or (tunnelling through my desktop with SSH) fiddle with my bank account when I'm out, and forgot to move money to the account that the debit card works with | 09:53 |
| jaem | chatting | 09:53 |
| jaem | a bit of music | 09:53 |
| qrit | heck ya! | 09:53 |
| qrit | i will use it to read web pages to help fall asleep, I know | 09:54 |
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| jaem | video playback is decent, although you have to encode for the tablet, generally (use MPlayer, or another player that relies on it, as it has better performance) | 09:54 |
| qrit | right on | 09:54 |
| Stskeeps | morning johnx, RST38h, jaem | 09:54 |
| jaem | qrit: yes - it's good for that... and for when you can't sleep all night, and eventually just give up and read blogs | 09:54 |
| jaem | morning Stskeeps | 09:54 |
| qrit | salivitating at maemo software avail to down load :) | 09:54 |
| jaem | qrit: there is some nice stuff | 09:55 |
| Stskeeps | you should salivate further at the possibility of 90% of all ubuntu or debian software too :P | 09:55 |
| qrit | yes, that too!! very much so :) | 09:55 |
| jaem | Stskeeps: I'm suffering from dehydration from salivating over that for so long already | 09:55 |
| qrit | i look forward to being able to play nethack on break at work | 09:56 |
| jaem | is it bad that I keep accumulating computers faster than I can get to the store to buy network cable? | 09:56 |
| jaem | I should have just got 6 lengths last time instead of two | 09:56 |
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| whm | can anyone point me to an example how to make image-viewer (the default one) to open a picture i just saved? | 09:57 |
| qrit | sounds like you having too much fun, jaem :) | 09:57 |
| jaem | qrit: oh yes | 09:58 |
| whm | it seems image-viewer does not accept command line parameters, so i have to use dbus, right? | 09:58 |
| qwerty12 | yes, wait a sec | 09:58 |
| jaem | I somehow managed to get three free laptops in about a month, all no more than 2-1/2 or so years old | 09:58 |
| jaem | I'm currently fighting with ImageBin so I can show you folks | 09:58 |
| jaem | gah - what the heck, I'll just upload it elsewhere | 09:59 |
| qrit | sweet :) | 09:59 |
| qwerty12 | whm: in theory, dbus-send --type=method_call --dest=com.nokia.image_viewer /usr/bin/image_viewer com.nokia.image_viewer.mime_open string:file://<path to image> | 09:59 |
| L0cutus | 'giorno | 10:00 |
| * jaem logs into his school shell account | 10:00 | |
| jaem | they use CSh - blech | 10:00 |
| jaem | my .cshrc has one line in it | 10:00 |
| jaem | /bin/bash | 10:00 |
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| jaem | http://www.sfu.ca/~jgm3/images/IMG_3177_sm.jpeg | 10:03 |
| jaem | there we go | 10:03 |
| whm | qwerty12 thanks | 10:03 |
| whm | i actually need to do it from a Qt application, but that gives an idea :) | 10:05 |
| qrit | way too many screens, jaem :) how big is the second from the right? | 10:06 |
| jaem | from left: 15, 17, 15, 17, 24, 14 | 10:06 |
| jaem | all in inches | 10:06 |
| qrit | that is the room you should hibernate in winter to keep warm you know? | 10:06 |
| jaem | yeah, I do | 10:07 |
| x29a | jaem: yay at the wrt ;) | 10:09 |
| jaem | x29a: it isn't currently booting from it, but I've installed a 512MB SD card in there | 10:09 |
| x29a | sweet | 10:10 |
| x29a | im happy with tomato on mine | 10:10 |
| johnx | tomato is proving to be quite rocking here too | 10:10 |
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| b0unc3 | good morning | 10:32 |
| Woolly | morning | 10:32 |
| Woolly | is it possible to monitor the foreground application on the N810? | 10:33 |
| Woolly | if so, how? :D | 10:34 |
| Stskeeps | probably some libhildonwm stuff maybe | 10:34 |
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| Woolly | I wonder I can request the foreground app from the dbus with a service object | 10:35 |
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| Woolly | Stskeeps: do you know if libhildonwm has python bindings? | 10:42 |
| Stskeeps | .. maybe? python-hildondesktop | 10:42 |
| Stskeeps | not sure | 10:42 |
| Woolly | hmm | 10:43 |
| Woolly | i'll have a look at hildondesktop anyway, cheers :) | 10:43 |
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| Woolly | does anyone know if there is an equivalent of the wnck python module for hildon? | 11:24 |
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| Woolly | does anyone know how to monitor the application with window focus? | 11:36 |
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| florian | good morning | 11:40 |
| Woolly | morning florian | 11:42 |
| Woolly | do you perhaps know the answer to my question? | 11:42 |
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| florian | Woolly: I'm nut sure what you want to achieve | 11:43 |
| florian | s/nut/not | 11:43 |
| Woolly | I want to write a command line application (in Python, hopefully) that will spit out the name of the application the user is currently using | 11:43 |
| Woolly | so i open up modest, it prints "modest", i open up terminal, it prints "terminal", i change back to modest, it prints "modest" | 11:44 |
| florian | ah | 11:44 |
| florian | yes it should be possible to get the id of the current toplevel window and find out the name of the matching binary | 11:45 |
| florian | but i don't know offhand how to do this. | 11:45 |
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| Woolly | and whether it's possible in python :( | 11:46 |
| Woolly | thanks anyway :) | 11:47 |
| Stskeeps | X-Fade: oh, btw - you mentioned something about the problem of OBS being the "locked" repositories; - OBS support bulk import of releases (debs from dvds, etc) and does this normally | 11:51 |
| X-Fade | Stskeeps: Yeah, I see no problems other than having to run it locallly. | 11:51 |
| X-Fade | Stskeeps: Talked with ScriptRipper yesterday. | 11:52 |
| Stskeeps | alright | 11:52 |
| Stskeeps | we're getting radically closer to a working Mer environment in this regard, so it could be a good way to start out to see what benefits OBS brings | 11:52 |
| X-Fade | Indeed. | 11:53 |
| Stskeeps | i'm personally sold, and i'm difficult to satisfy :P | 11:53 |
| X-Fade | If you can get experiences before the Kopenhagen meeting, that would be great. | 11:53 |
| Stskeeps | yeah, that's the plan | 11:53 |
| Stskeeps | after 0.12 we're moving Mer sources to OBS | 11:53 |
| X-Fade | So we can sit down and evaluate benefits and needs. | 11:53 |
| Stskeeps | and lbt will be the local expert in this area | 11:53 |
| GeneralAntilles | Stskeeps, I was talking to johnx about you talking to the dev platform team about OBS | 11:54 |
| Stskeeps | GeneralAntilles: mm? | 11:54 |
| lbt | m? | 11:54 |
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| X-Fade | One thing we need to check is if developers work in SB, will they have SB-isms in their packages. | 11:54 |
| lbt | me too | 11:54 |
| Stskeeps | yeah, they do | 11:54 |
| X-Fade | Which cause problems in OBS. | 11:54 |
| Stskeeps | it's very very rare though | 11:55 |
| Stskeeps | and often a matter of re-autogen.sh'ing | 11:55 |
| lbt | X-Fade: and OBS and SB1 can co-exist | 11:55 |
| GeneralAntilles | Stskeeps, well, if OBS is a superior replacement to scratchbox, it seems worthwhile to convince Nokia to move that way ASAP | 11:55 |
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| lbt | reasonably | 11:55 |
| X-Fade | lbt: As long as it is transparant for the developer. | 11:55 |
| Stskeeps | GeneralAntilles: yes, but i'm not sure it's reasonable to expect for Fremantle, though | 11:55 |
| lbt | it's not transparent | 11:55 |
| GeneralAntilles | Stskeeps, no, but maybe Harmattan | 11:56 |
| Stskeeps | if anything, Mer and maemo.org can bring the experiences to Maemo SW | 11:56 |
| lbt | http://wiki.maemo.org/Mer/Build#Co-existing_with_Scratchbox | 11:56 |
| GeneralAntilles | and talking sooner is always better than later. | 11:56 |
| X-Fade | Stskeeps: That is why I like Mer to check it out first ;) | 11:56 |
| lbt | (actually that page has a step-by-step "using OBS") | 11:56 |
| GeneralAntilles | Since Harmattan is in that stage right now. | 11:56 |
| Stskeeps | GeneralAntilles: yeah.. i hope we can make a talk on the developer meeting | 11:56 |
| Stskeeps | lbt: might be worth noting SB1-OBS coexistence is only if cross-building locally | 11:57 |
| lbt | true | 11:57 |
| GeneralAntilles | Might fire off an email to -developers, Soumya or something. | 11:58 |
| Stskeeps | X-Fade: besides that, we have a bunch of patches to fix sbisms, in Mer | 11:58 |
| X-Fade | Stskeeps: Well, I think most developers will want to compile locally when testing their app. | 11:58 |
| Stskeeps | yeah, true | 11:58 |
| X-Fade | Unless you're Khertan ;) | 11:59 |
| GeneralAntilles | Then everybody should just steer clear. ;) | 11:59 |
| * Stskeeps curses danish customs | 12:00 | |
| X-Fade | Stskeeps: 'Gift' ;) | 12:00 |
| Stskeeps | X-Fade: yeah, it was sent like that | 12:00 |
| X-Fade | Stskeeps: Ah, well then they can't do anything about it ;) | 12:00 |
| * Stskeeps will probably be tablet-less for his poland trip. lovely. have to drag laptop. | 12:00 | |
| X-Fade | But they can be slow, of course. | 12:01 |
| GeneralAntilles | Bleh, FAQ | 12:04 |
| GeneralAntilles | What a pain | 12:04 |
| X-Fade | GeneralAntilles: Especially as there is FAQ already ;) | 12:04 |
| GeneralAntilles | FAQs are such a ridiculous pain in the ass to maintain. | 12:04 |
| GeneralAntilles | If people can't find things without the FAQ, I don't think the FAQ is likely to help. | 12:05 |
| * Stskeeps wonders who jukey is | 12:05 | |
| GeneralAntilles | http://maemo.org/profile/view/jukey/ | 12:05 |
| Stskeeps | mk | 12:06 |
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| Woolly | Does anyone know how to get the ID of the window with focus? | 12:08 |
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| qwerty12 | Woolly: I have a really dirty example in C that was the combination of mashing code together? | 12:08 |
| Stskeeps | isn't all code that? | 12:09 |
| qwerty12 | It just prints out the PID of the active window | 12:09 |
| Stskeeps | :P | 12:09 |
| qwerty12 | Ah, but this was done by me | 12:09 |
| Woolly | qwerty12: could I take a look, please? | 12:09 |
| qwerty12 | Woolly: warning: it's extremely dirty: http://pastebin.com/d55587bfa | 12:10 |
| Woolly | haha thanks :D | 12:10 |
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| Stskeeps | X-Fade: prodded ScriptRipper about hackfest, could be good to have him along :) | 12:16 |
| Stskeeps | ah, he's in here too ;) | 12:16 |
| ScriptRipper | ill check if i can come. i am in munich, so i got some way to go to kopenhagen | 12:17 |
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| Stskeeps | *nod* there's a straight plane as well | 12:18 |
| X-Fade | SAS will bring you there ;) | 12:19 |
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| alexga | hi, any garage sysadmin around? | 12:58 |
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| X-Fade | alexga: Yes. | 12:59 |
| Woolly | anyone worked with python-xlib before? | 12:59 |
| alexga | X-Fade, I requested an account but I did not receive the confirmation email | 13:00 |
| qwerty12 | Woolly: no, but I uploaded it to Extras | 13:00 |
| Woolly | :( | 13:01 |
| Woolly | someone must have asked this before somewhere, i just cant find it | 13:02 |
| Woolly | if I could get the code you pastebinned into python, i'd be very happy | 13:04 |
| X-Fade | alexga: That is because you misspelled the company you work for ;) | 13:04 |
| alexga | X-Fade, :), how can I fix that? | 13:04 |
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| X-Fade | I updated your email address. | 13:06 |
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| X-Fade | alexga: Just request a new confirmation here: https://garage.maemo.org/account/pending-resend.php | 13:07 |
| GeneralAntilles | I wonder where Jeremiah is hiding | 13:07 |
| Stskeeps | he's in oslo for a talk afaik | 13:08 |
| X-Fade | GeneralAntilles: If you would read the Sprint -> activity log, you would know ;) | 13:08 |
| Stskeeps | yeah | 13:08 |
| alexga | X-Fade, ok, thanks for your help :) | 13:08 |
| Stskeeps | that's where i read it too :P | 13:08 |
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| GeneralAntilles | X-Fade, that's confusing | 13:10 |
| GeneralAntilles | Completely skipped over that block of text. | 13:10 |
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| Woolly | does anyone know where to find API documentation for python2.5-hildondesktop? | 13:20 |
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| Woolly | does anyone know how I can get the currently focussed window, in python? | 13:30 |
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| RST38h | EHLO all who I have not ehloed today yet | 13:41 |
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| Woolly | qwerty12: are you around? | 14:02 |
| qwerty12 | Yep | 14:02 |
| Woolly | do you have an executable binary of that source you sent me? | 14:03 |
| Woolly | I'm at home just now, and cant compile it :( | 14:03 |
| qwerty12 | Yes, but bear in mind that it prints the pid of the window - not the window id itself (it does query for the active window though) | 14:04 |
| Woolly | that should be okay? | 14:04 |
| qwerty12 | http://qwerty12.maemobox.org/getwindowpid | 14:05 |
| Woolly | could i then use ps ax to look up the PID to see what application it's using? | 14:05 |
| Woolly | what application the PID belongs to* | 14:05 |
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| qwerty12 | Probably, but it's just easier to modify it to just get the UTF8_STRING string instead | 14:07 |
| qwerty12 | Which should get the title for most apps (I think there's exceptions) | 14:07 |
| qwerty12 | But I suck when it comes to all this anyway | 14:07 |
| Woolly | me too :( | 14:07 |
| Woolly | instead of requesting _NET_WM_PID, i should be requesting something else? | 14:08 |
| Woolly | _NET_WM_UTF8_STRING perhaps? | 14:08 |
| Woolly | i have no idea! | 14:08 |
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| Woolly | ahha _NET_ACTIVE_WINDOW | 14:11 |
| Woolly | now if only i could compile the damn thing! | 14:11 |
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| Stskeeps | RST38h: http://mobilitics.blogspot.com/2009/03/why-nokia-wants-my-email-password.html | 14:28 |
| RST38h | Sts: Like he needs to ask "why"! =) | 14:29 |
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| RST38h | In related news, Nokia apparently stopped making money in 1q2009 | 14:33 |
| Stskeeps | with all that marketing information of the competitors at hand? unpossible | 14:34 |
| RST38h | 4mil euro | 14:34 |
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| RST38h | That is how much Nokia made in 1q2009. In 1q2008 it made 1.2bil | 14:34 |
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| RST38h | OTOH, Intel is doing pretty well =) | 14:36 |
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| * ShadowJK wonders if nokia first tests the imap server from their own server, and then have the handset test it and if it doesn't work, concludes that the operator is being an asshat and blocking it | 14:38 | |
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| RST38h | Shadow: I think they just use Modest codebase and do not test at all :) | 14:41 |
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| GAN800 | qwerty12_N800, can you kill the subcategories package? | 15:04 |
| qwerty12_N800 | X-Fade can delete packages | 15:05 |
| qwerty12_N800 | I can't but I wouldn't be upset to see that one go :) | 15:05 |
| lcuk | if i hook up my 810 using usb lead and ive got a memory card formatted as something2 (very technical i cant remember the name) can i access it over usb | 15:06 |
| X-Fade | I can kill it. | 15:06 |
| lcuk | ext2! | 15:06 |
| lcuk | X-Fade, with fire | 15:07 |
| X-Fade | qwerty12_N800: Removed, although it will take some time for the index to be regenerated. | 15:08 |
| GAN800 | Do we want to start the packaging spam with the library maintainers? | 15:08 |
| X-Fade | Maybe create a nice wiki page explaining the idea? | 15:08 |
| X-Fade | And then point them to it? | 15:08 |
| GAN800 | lcuk, assuming whatever you're connecting it to supports ext | 15:08 |
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| GAN800 | qwerty12, X-Fade, Jaffa, mikkov_, whomever, you guys want to start thinking about what might be useful to look for in a packaging audit? | 15:10 |
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| GeneralAntilles | @Digia may very well trigger a watchdog reset trying to load itT. | 15:12 |
| lcuk | thanks gan :) tis ubuntu laptop ill make sure first \o | 15:12 |
| RST38h | Ahhahaha | 15:12 |
| GeneralAntilles | Ah, good, it came out of it. | 15:13 |
| GeneralAntilles | OK then, there's 20MB I don't need to keep on there. | 15:13 |
| RST38h | Trying to load ITT in @Digia may well cause a localized case of nuclear winter or something | 15:13 |
| * RST38h wonders how this thing works in mobile phones though | 15:13 | |
| qwerty12_N800 | RST38h: it's for UIQ - it'd probably pass looking at the fact SE shipped UIQ phones with Opera... | 15:14 |
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| RST38h | qwerty: UIQ or not, those phones have even less resources than the tablets | 15:15 |
| qwerty12_N800 | @scene is a pretty awesome youtube client though. Shame Digia@Web doesn't match up to it | 15:17 |
| lcuk | o_O "this tweet is made using maemo 5 OS running on a mobile computer." | 15:21 |
| RST38h | And this message is probably longer than the tweet itself | 15:22 |
| Stskeeps | lcuk: ? | 15:22 |
| GAN800 | lcuk, whores | 15:22 |
| GAN800 | X-Fade, you got any fun useragents yet. | 15:22 |
| lcuk | http://twitter.com/luovanto | 15:23 |
| X-Fade | GAN800: Pretty predictable ones. | 15:23 |
| lcuk | not me of course | 15:23 |
| Stskeeps | "mobile computer"? :P | 15:23 |
| * lcuk has only just started twittering (twattering? twottering?) | 15:23 | |
| Stskeeps | twat | 15:24 |
| Jaffa | "twatting" or "tweeting" ;-) | 15:24 |
| Jaffa | "I tweet, you twat"? ;-) | 15:24 |
| lcuk | tracy thinks thats the most disgusting word in the entire english language and is very careful about who she calls | 15:24 |
| GAN800 | I wish twitter would die already | 15:25 |
| lcuk | unless of course some twat just cut her up at the roundabout! | 15:25 |
| Jaffa | lcuk: heh | 15:25 |
| * lcuk grabs his coat | 15:25 | |
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| GAN800 | Jaffa, watch, what Nokia's got cooking is MicroB embedded in h-a-m loading maemo.nokia.com/downloads (sans maemo.org integration). ;) | 15:31 |
| Jaffa | GAN800: ...and I wouldn't be surprised :-/ | 15:32 |
| GAN800 | Yeah, nor would I. :\ | 15:33 |
| X-Fade | not sans. | 15:34 |
| GAN800 | X-Fade, they're just misleading you. ;) | 15:34 |
| X-Fade | no comment ;) | 15:35 |
| lcuk | does this mean we can remove the specific icon from the packages for the new os? | 15:35 |
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| VDVsx | Jaffa, GAN800, I think the council should raise the voice again about the maemo brainstorm implementation, it make no sense to me implement all the ideatorrent functions again just because the maemo.org site use midgard, but it just my opinion :) | 15:39 |
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| VDVsx | and I doubt it will be ready by the end of April also | 15:40 |
| X-Fade | VDVsx: It is just that adding another service to our servers is a _major_ pain. | 15:41 |
| X-Fade | It seems easy, until you got to maintain it. | 15:41 |
| X-Fade | And integrate accounts etc etc. | 15:41 |
| GAN800 | VDVsx, it's not as clear as all that unfortunately. | 15:41 |
| GAN800 | Need a drupal/Midgard eal. :D | 15:42 |
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| X-Fade | Adding drupal for instance, means you need to check every php upgrade, mysql upgrade etc if they still work. | 15:42 |
| lcuk | if could somehow clone x-fade then perhaps it would be possible, he could have stay at home niels, working niels, server support niels and irc niels | 15:42 |
| X-Fade | Proper maintenance is not that easy ;) | 15:42 |
| lcuk | infact, we should anyway with just a short shell script ;) | 15:43 |
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| lcuk | (and i hope to god i got your name right) | 15:43 |
| X-Fade | And when you add services, your checklist becomes longer and longer. | 15:43 |
| GAN800 | lcuk, we're replacing you with a shell script next. :P | 15:44 |
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| VDVsx | X-Fade, ok I understand,but I would prefer to use a stable system than pass the rest of the year waiting for the new one to become stable :P, but is just my opinion, I also dunno if it is easy to port ideatorrent to midgrad | 15:46 |
| X-Fade | VDVsx: Basic functionality is easy. | 15:47 |
| X-Fade | VDVsx: And a deadline has been committed to, so I wouldn't worry? | 15:47 |
| GAN800 | Anybody else want to address krisse's sales numbers post? | 15:47 |
| VDVsx | X-Fade, ok, we will see :) | 15:48 |
| Stskeeps | GAN800: you can always twist it into a discussion on Maemo as an OS on non-Nokia devices | 15:49 |
| lcuk | how do you think the first ideastorm type app came into being? how did they manage the brainstorming to end up with it? | 15:49 |
| GAN800 | Meh | 15:49 |
| Stskeeps | and the fact none of the other providers have actually come up with something that works like Maemo | 15:49 |
| GAN800 | She's got the wrong perspective | 15:49 |
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| GAN800 | and some incorrect assumptions about the divisions money making ability | 15:50 |
| Stskeeps | i guess a lot of research in maemo has landed in other divisions | 15:50 |
| GAN800 | crashanddie ran some rough numbers and it sure looks like they're probably in the black | 15:51 |
| GAN800 | That too | 15:51 |
| Stskeeps | also, how come every other division is firing when maemo is hiring? :P | 15:51 |
| GAN800 | But absolute numbers aren't really useful | 15:51 |
| Stskeeps | no sane manager would allow that :) | 15:51 |
| GAN800 | Right | 15:51 |
| Stskeeps | if there wasn't a + to the tablets or a long term viable goal | 15:51 |
| * RST38h yawns | 15:52 | |
| GAN800 | Every public statement I've seen about tablet sales has been surprise at the numbers. | 15:52 |
| RST38h | Gentlemen, what you see on a device is not Maemo but Hildon and Hildon did come from a non-Maemo device | 15:52 |
| Stskeeps | true, and they were way ahead with a lot of that stuff | 15:53 |
| RST38h | Yes, except that this stuff has been known since early EPOC times | 15:53 |
| RST38h | (look at Psion organizers and you will see some similar features) | 15:53 |
| Stskeeps | *nod* | 15:54 |
| Stskeeps | the power management tricks and RAM saving stuff too | 15:54 |
| Stskeeps | are neat | 15:54 |
| RST38h | Now, other people also tried some of that but they failed | 15:54 |
| X-Fade | Hildon was designed for Series90, IIRC. | 15:54 |
| RST38h | power management stuff came directly from Symbian | 15:54 |
| GAN800 | It's evolved a lot since then | 15:54 |
| X-Fade | http://www.i-symbian.com/images/Misc/epocproto.jpg | 15:55 |
| Mikho_ | does anybody know what is the fullscreen button on keyboard when working with maemo running inside scratchbox? | 15:55 |
| Stskeeps | Mikho_: f5-f6-f7, one of those | 15:55 |
| Mikho_ | ok, thanks | 15:56 |
| Jaffa | VDVsx: no reason you can't post this - I'm just worried about it becoming another half-finished midgard module (like the calendar, or the fora) which is unfair perhaps, as as X-Fade says, they've committed to a deadline | 15:56 |
| qwerty12_N800 | Mikho_: F6 | 15:56 |
| Stskeeps | X-Fade: heh, that's a netbook right there :P | 15:56 |
| X-Fade | Anyway, Hildon existed in 2003 already, so ;) | 15:56 |
| Stskeeps | RST38h: from SW pov it seems we've succeed in mer in replicating the power saving methods, which is interesting | 15:57 |
| Stskeeps | as in, i understand what makes it tick :P | 15:59 |
| Stskeeps | there's probably a bunch of stuff on the kernel-hw stuff, but still | 15:59 |
| GAN800 | Has the multi-unit version of ati85 been released yet? | 15:59 |
| GAN800 | Yeah, lot of powersaving is in kernel | 16:00 |
| X-Fade | GAN800: About Downloads. m.n.o will just fetch from our Downloads through our api. | 16:00 |
| GAN800 | Yeah, I know, only kidding. :P | 16:00 |
| Stskeeps | for good measure, why not re microb rendering, and .install? | 16:01 |
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| X-Fade | Stskeeps: ? | 16:02 |
| Stskeeps | as in, why not just reduce HAM to be "Installed applications" "Upgrades" and handling .install files, and then simply get apps through the browser :P | 16:02 |
| Stskeeps | much more adaptable | 16:02 |
| GAN800 | Sloooow | 16:02 |
| Stskeeps | well, in microb maybe.. | 16:02 |
| GAN800 | ugly | 16:02 |
| GAN800 | native makes more sense | 16:03 |
| X-Fade | Most important, not offline. | 16:03 |
| Stskeeps | mm | 16:03 |
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| X-Fade | Although a dbus service could be useful. | 16:05 |
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| X-Fade | GAN800: We might want to think about warning people who put packages in user/* which are not meant to be in user. (Like libs etc) | 16:10 |
| Jaffa | X-Fade: how do you decide? | 16:10 |
| X-Fade | Jaffa: Well, that is the hard part ;) | 16:10 |
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| X-Fade | Jaffa: Obviously libgnokii doesn't belong there. | 16:11 |
| X-Fade | Jaffa: But gnokii itself does. | 16:11 |
| Jaffa | X-Fade: but "librarian" (a notional book-shelf app) would | 16:11 |
| GAN800 | X-Fade, I think I'll setup some wiki pages for it this weekend. | 16:11 |
| X-Fade | Jaffa: Yes, so we need to be smart ;) | 16:12 |
| Jaffa | X-Fade: We might want to think about solving the Halting Problem and prove that P=NP too whilst we're at it ;-) | 16:12 |
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| X-Fade | Jaffa: Well, you can check if it is a dependency for another package and if it starts with lib ;) | 16:12 |
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| X-Fade | But there are probably more things that need to be tested for. | 16:13 |
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| GAN800 | Is there (or should there) be a list of valid non-user/ categories? | 16:15 |
| Jaffa | X-Fade: ah, if it's a dependency of something else is a good measure - I like that | 16:15 |
| X-Fade | GAN800: Anything goes? | 16:15 |
| Jaffa | GAN800: Debian policy - but basically, meh | 16:15 |
| GAN800 | Fair enough | 16:16 |
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| X-Fade | Jaffa: Btw, I'll look for the repo key. | 16:20 |
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| Jaffa | X-Fade: cool | 16:21 |
| X-Fade | See if I have it somewhere ;) | 16:21 |
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| Jaffa | No-one's jumping up and down at Nokia, so I reckon we go for it :) | 16:21 |
| GAN800 | X-Fade, any idea where Marcell's hiding? | 16:21 |
| X-Fade | GAN800: Crazy busy with SDK testing, I think. | 16:21 |
| GAN800 | Jaffa, this is where Ari hulks out in the server room. ;) | 16:21 |
| RST38h | Sts: that is surprising given how elaborate the power saving stuff is =) | 16:22 |
| GAN800 | I want my new r.m.o. :( | 16:22 |
| * Jaffa would love to have the community domain-modifying package pushed out to existing users, but dropping it into the Extras .install works :) | 16:22 | |
| RST38h | GAN800: If you mean the one where calc model is selected via a menu, yes | 16:22 |
| X-Fade | GAN800: Nah, Jaffa had dinner with Ari. ;) | 16:22 |
| RST38h | GAN800: BTW, if you have got a 84+ or 83+SE or 84+SE, I would appreciate a ROm dump =) | 16:22 |
| GAN800 | RST38h, it's out? I just updated but can't seem to figure that out. | 16:22 |
| Jaffa | He buys good wine - I'm keeping him on side ;-) | 16:22 |
| RST38h | GAN800: [FullScreen] button :) | 16:23 |
| Jaffa | Ahhh! | 16:23 |
| * Jaffa was wondering how to get to it :) | 16:23 | |
| GAN800 | RST38h, 84s, my sister lost my 83. Got a step-by-step? | 16:23 |
| GAN800 | Ha | 16:24 |
| GAN800 | What's the menu key bound to? | 16:24 |
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| RST38h | GAN800: it should not be bound to anything, as it is hidden with the keyboard anyway | 16:24 |
| GAN800 | Not on N800 | 16:25 |
| GAN800 | The menu key makes way more sense to me than the fullscreen key. | 16:25 |
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| RST38h | GAN800: ROM dumping proggie: http://www.ticalc.org/archives/files/fileinfo/373/37341.html | 16:26 |
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| RST38h | Should come with instructions. | 16:26 |
| RST38h | GAN800: No problem, I will bind it to either key, although FullScreen definitely makes more sense on n810, when you hold it vertically | 16:26 |
| GAN800 | DOS, not gonna happen soon. | 16:26 |
| RST38h | Argh, a Mac nut... | 16:27 |
| RST38h | Ok, let's see if there is anything available for MacOS... | 16:27 |
| GAN800 | Or Linux | 16:27 |
| GAN800 | I just don't have easy access to Windows machines most of the time. | 16:27 |
| RST38h | Wait, you should be ok as long as you can receive stuff from 84+ | 16:27 |
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| RST38h | "rom8x is a console program that will aid one in creating a ROM file. It does not require a specific linking software, as everything on the calculator-end is saved into an AppVar which is sendable via all computer<->calculator linking software" | 16:28 |
| GAN800 | Is there the slightest chance of getting 68k stuff? | 16:28 |
| RST38h | Yea. If somebody pays me ~$4-6k for writing a decent 68k core | 16:29 |
| GAN800 | Fair enough | 16:29 |
| RST38h | Notice that it should not necessarily be done for the calc project | 16:29 |
| GAN800 | I got too used to the 89ti | 16:30 |
| RST38h | Just ANY customer who needs a 68k-based emulation and is willing to license 68k core non-exclusively | 16:30 |
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| RST38h | Ok, about the rom8x thing: if you read the instructions, it looks like you can just upload and run the 8x program from the Get subdirectory and receive dump using any calc connectivity software | 16:32 |
| RST38h | No need to run rom8x.exe, as it is simply a convertor | 16:32 |
| GAN800 | I think I can get ahold of an 83+ SE but it'll be a few weeks. | 16:33 |
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| RST38h | If you at least figure out how to dump 84+SE, it will prvide me with a couple of weeks of owkr | 16:37 |
| RST38h | work | 16:37 |
| RST38h | Also, I probably won't include ROM into the package (users will have to download their own), because this model is still being widely sold | 16:37 |
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| qwerty12_N800 | Not even maemo-mini-curl in postinst? =) | 16:38 |
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| GAN800 | TI's new touchscreen calcs freak me out. | 16:40 |
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| RST38h | they have got touchscreen calcs now??? | 16:48 |
| * RST38h googles | 16:48 | |
| GAN800 | n-spite | 16:49 |
| RST38h | And Casio too.... And even HP is still making some calcs | 16:49 |
| GAN800 | s/spite/spire/ | 16:49 |
| infobot | GAN800 meant: n-spire | 16:49 |
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| GAN800 | They're riduclously powerful | 16:49 |
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| RST38h | They should just release a software-only version of this stuff for common handhelds (WinMo) and phones | 16:51 |
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| infobot | I herald you, my supreme master! Lead us into the light of your wisdom and power | 16:54 |
| GAN800 | Entry is such a pain though | 16:54 |
| GAN800 | and what about testing? | 16:54 |
| RichiH | as i am sure someone from nokia is around here: http://mobilitics.blogspot.com/2009/03/why-nokia-wants-my-email-password.html | 16:54 |
| RichiH | it would be nice if someone could escalate this to whereever | 16:54 |
| doc|home | wtf | 16:55 |
| RST38h | RichiH: I doubt anybody here can | 16:55 |
| GAN800 | Maemo != S60 | 16:56 |
| * RichiH knows | 16:56 | |
| GAN800 | As far as I'm aware, there's a Symbian channel | 16:56 |
| RST38h | And even if it were in Maemo, neither Quim nor engineers have any steer on political decisions | 16:56 |
| RichiH | but maemo is tied rather close to nokia | 16:56 |
| RST38h | RichiH: The proper place to vent is Forum Nokia | 16:56 |
| GAN800 | Maemo SW is a long ways away from S60 | 16:56 |
| RichiH | GAN800: hmm, there is. sorry | 16:56 |
| GAN800 | Nokia Care is a good option | 16:57 |
| whm | according to blog owner nokia is aware of this | 16:57 |
| whm | that's a big screw-up though | 16:58 |
| * lbt wonders if it would have happened in a more open development environment... | 16:59 | |
| GAN800 | probably | 16:59 |
| GAN800 | I mean, look at Debian and ssl. ;) | 17:00 |
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| GAN800 | Less likely, but there's no guarantees. | 17:00 |
| whm | :D | 17:00 |
| X-Fade | Even if the code is available, there need to be people actually looking. | 17:01 |
| whm | if this is big, then debian & ssl was planet-like :) | 17:01 |
| RichiH | GAN800: totally different situations, but a valid point | 17:01 |
| X-Fade | And understanding the code. | 17:01 |
| RichiH | the debian ssl bug was prolly one of the worst things ever, so yes :) | 17:01 |
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| RST38h | GAN800: Nokia Care *probably* puts your reports directly into trash can | 17:02 |
| GAN800 | When it's open, you have the opportunity to catch it, but, like X-Fade say, you need eyes on it. | 17:03 |
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| GAN800 | RST38h, they don't | 17:03 |
| RST38h | But at the Forum there is some chance to get response from a living being | 17:03 |
| GAN800 | Individually they aren't a whole lot of good | 17:03 |
| GAN800 | But in aggregate people definitely pay attention. | 17:03 |
| RST38h | Statistically, maybe | 17:03 |
| RST38h | That is no path to personal gratification and/or vindication though :) | 17:04 |
| GAN800 | Every Nokian I've ever talked to bout it has recommended Nokia Care, so. . . . | 17:04 |
| GAN800 | s/bout/about/ | 17:04 |
| infobot | GAN800 meant: Every Nokian I've ever talked to about it has recommended Nokia Care, so. . . . | 17:04 |
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| RST38h | GAn800: Just means it is a corporate policy | 17:05 |
| GAN800 | Hardly | 17:05 |
| GAN800 | Anyway, whatever. | 17:05 |
| GAN800 | I care exactly this || much about S60 | 17:06 |
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| Klinsen | http://klinsen.mybrute.com/ | 18:26 |
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| X-Fade | Lol ;) | 18:27 |
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| luke-jr | http://mobilitics.blogspot.com/2009/03/why-nokia-wants-my-email-password.html | 18:33 |
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| * qwerty12 has seen that for the 3rd time today | 18:34 | |
| qwerty12 | on this chan | 18:34 |
| luke-jr | >_< | 18:34 |
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| qwerty12 | I don't think there is even any identi.ca clients for Maemo, forget OpenID | 18:59 |
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| Myrtti | I don't know if there are *any* clients that support openid | 19:00 |
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| luke-jr | how many people here use swap? | 19:16 |
| Shasie | i do for sure :) | 19:19 |
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| gomiam | luke-jr: I do too | 19:19 |
| ||cw | almost required on the 770 | 19:21 |
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| ||cw | makes a HUGE difference | 19:21 |
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| RST38h | Symbian has been ported to Atom. Weird. | 20:20 |
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| VDVsx | RST38h, source ? | 20:21 |
| jaska | :( | 20:21 |
| jaska | i wish theyd put it in the trashcan already | 20:21 |
| luke-jr | >>> Emerging (4 of 8) x11-base/xorg-server-1.3.0.0-r6 | 20:24 |
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| suihkulokki | VDVsx: http://blog.symbian.org/2009/04/16/symbian-on-intels-atom/ | 20:25 |
| RST38h | http://www.engadget.com/2009/04/16/symbian-ports-its-platform-to-atom-just-for-the-heck-of-it/ | 20:25 |
| suihkulokki | the last chapter makes my brain explode | 20:25 |
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| RST38h | jaska: Hey, stop offending Symbian! It is the only alternative we have to Win Mobile! | 20:26 |
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| luke-jr | RST38h: Linux works | 20:27 |
| RST38h | luke: How many smartphones with Linux can you name? | 20:27 |
| luke-jr | define smartphone | 20:28 |
| luke-jr | I fully intend to use my N810 as a phone | 20:28 |
| VDVsx | RST38h, well, I liked symbian a lot until I started developing to the plataform :P | 20:28 |
| lcuk | lol | 20:28 |
| RST38h | luke: Thanks for proving my point =) | 20:28 |
| lcuk | luke-jr, i hope to god you are parked up | 20:29 |
| RST38h | VDVsx: Yes, it is pain. | 20:29 |
| luke-jr | lcuk: ? | 20:29 |
| luke-jr | 'luke-jr' is my desktop ☺ | 20:29 |
| luke-jr | Luke-N810 and Luke-Jr2 are my N810 | 20:29 |
| RST38h | VDVsx: But it works, makes calls, receives calls, does not make user commit suicide in the process like Win Mobile | 20:29 |
| ShadowJK | my symbian phone doesn't always agree to make calls :-) | 20:30 |
| ShadowJK | or receive them | 20:30 |
| RST38h | Never failed me. | 20:30 |
| lcuk | i can see the microsoft ticket now: "user committed suicide whilst on important business call" Fixed in sp2 | 20:30 |
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| luke-jr | Microsoft has tickets? | 20:31 |
| luke-jr | I thought they just fixed things randomly, when they did fix things | 20:31 |
| ShadowJK | It's typical early-nokia (and also iphone had this bug) where the phone sometimes fails to switch back to gsm after you leave a 3G area | 20:31 |
| VDVsx | RST38h, from a user perspective a still like symbian :), and the s60 5ed is very responsive and fast :), I don't comment Win Mob :P | 20:31 |
| RST38h | Shadow: Ah, I have no 3G | 20:31 |
| RST38h | Shadow: E70 supports it but MTS *still* hasn't paid bribes to proper people, apparently | 20:32 |
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| RST38h | VDVsx: It isn't that bad to program for either, but you have to wrap everything because the default APIs are pure nightmare | 20:32 |
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| ShadowJK | MTS... was that the awesome south african operator that had a web-to-sms gateway in 1997? :-) | 20:34 |
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| VDVsx | RST38h, probably, I don't have much experience with symbian c++,I need to do some prototypes and now I'm doing it with python, but at some point I will need to switch to symbian c++ :( | 20:37 |
| ShadowJK | ah no that was mtn... maybe | 20:37 |
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| GnutOnMobile | hi | 21:11 |
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| lcuk | hi GnutOnMobile \o | 21:13 |
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| fauxmight | luke-jr: when you say you'll use n810 as a phone, are you intending to run your own asterisk server? | 21:23 |
| luke-jr | fauxmight: have been for 5 years | 21:24 |
| fauxmight | With n810? | 21:24 |
| luke-jr | no | 21:24 |
| fauxmight | Do you use ipkall for incoming? | 21:24 |
| luke-jr | no | 21:24 |
| luke-jr | I use Google GrandCentral for incoming | 21:24 |
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| fauxmight | Ah. | 21:24 |
| luke-jr | free phone service ftw | 21:24 |
| fauxmight | I have no other phone number, so the free Seattle workks quite nicely. | 21:24 |
| fauxmight | n810 as phone has been allright for me, but I've never completely eradicated one-way audio on some incoming calls when the 810 is behind different firewall than * server. | 21:25 |
| q_ | how long do you have to charge n810 the first time? couple hours? | 21:25 |
| luke-jr | I do wish Google didn't force me to go through Gizmo tho | 21:25 |
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| luke-jr | fauxmight: yeah, I plan to switch to IAX2 ASAP | 21:26 |
| fauxmight | ahh, that would be a breaking point for me. | 21:26 |
| luke-jr | heck, right now I get one-way audio even on the same LAN | 21:26 |
| fauxmight | I had IAX for quite a while, but with no IAX in telepathy, it was more work than it was worth and call quality was often subpar. | 21:26 |
| luke-jr | I'm installing Gentoo on my N810 | 21:27 |
| fauxmight | I switched back to SIP and dealt with the firewall. | 21:27 |
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| fauxmight | Cool. Slonopotomus method or mine? | 21:27 |
| fauxmight | s/firewall/nat | 21:27 |
| luke-jr | fauxmight: you have one? | 21:28 |
| luke-jr | slono's | 21:28 |
| fauxmight | http://nosocomia.com:8099/n810-gentoo/ | 21:29 |
| luke-jr | oh, that's you? | 21:29 |
| luke-jr | heh | 21:29 |
| luke-jr | you stopped updating ;) | 21:29 |
| fauxmight | I stopped working on it, too. | 21:29 |
| luke-jr | I went with the most recent date | 21:29 |
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| lcuk | waiting for the build to finish | 21:29 |
| fauxmight | I'm pretty sure slono's gotten further, but I really hate the maemo kernel. | 21:29 |
| luke-jr | 1239902548: === (4 of 8) Compiling/Packaging (x11-base/xorg-server-1.3.0.0-r6::/usr/portage/x11-base/xorg-server/xorg-server-1.3.0.0-r6.ebuild) | 21:29 |
| fauxmight | nice :) | 21:30 |
| luke-jr | fauxmight: why'd you give up? | 21:30 |
| fauxmight | Are you compiling native? | 21:30 |
| fauxmight | Time. | 21:30 |
| luke-jr | yes | 21:30 |
| fauxmight | I just don't have the time to keep playing. I'll get back to it eventually. | 21:30 |
| luke-jr | fauxmight: more people = less time each ;) | 21:30 |
| fauxmight | I really want a clean catalyst-built n810 stage with proper arm optimizations. | 21:30 |
| luke-jr | I'm sure slono wouldn't mind opening his overlay up for us to work on | 21:31 |
| luke-jr | fauxmight: slono's got proper optimizations | 21:31 |
| fauxmight | That was my goal, but it got a bit overwhelming. By the time slono stepped up, I'd been out of it a while. | 21:31 |
| luke-jr | he used crossdev instead of catalyst tho | 21:31 |
| luke-jr | -march=armv6j -mtune=arm1136jf-s -mfpu=vfp | 21:31 |
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| fauxmight | He's got an overlay, now? | 21:31 |
| luke-jr | --param ggc-min-expand=0 --param ggc-min-heapsize=32768 | 21:31 |
| luke-jr | yes | 21:31 |
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| luke-jr | the first flagset are the CPU stuff | 21:32 |
| * fauxmight 's been gone too long :) | 21:32 | |
| luke-jr | the second flagset makes GCC use a sane amount of RAM | 21:32 |
| luke-jr | overlay has boot scripts, X.org drivers, etc | 21:32 |
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| luke-jr | wifi drivers too, but he hasn't documented yet | 21:32 |
| fauxmight | I got wifi going, but I used the lin-omap kernel to do so. | 21:33 |
| luke-jr | yeah | 21:33 |
| fauxmight | and stlc45 | 21:33 |
| luke-jr | I might get to that sometime | 21:33 |
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| luke-jr | does stlc45 work yet? | 21:33 |
| luke-jr | I mean well | 21:33 |
| fauxmight | Yes. | 21:33 |
| fauxmight | Yes. | 21:33 |
| luke-jr | does it support packet injection? :D | 21:33 |
| fauxmight | Probably bad power mgt, though. | 21:33 |
| luke-jr | ah | 21:33 |
| luke-jr | well, the proprietary driver is bad pwr mgmt too | 21:33 |
| luke-jr | it tries to use the stupid power saving mode all the time | 21:34 |
| luke-jr | which is a flawed concept IMO | 21:34 |
| fauxmight | ah, the 'oposite' kind of bad power m. | 21:34 |
| luke-jr | >_< | 21:34 |
| fauxmight | Will you use asterisk on 810 as your sip/iax phone, or xlite/ekiga/friends? | 21:35 |
| luke-jr | not sure yet | 21:35 |
| fauxmight | I had asterisk native in maemo when I was using IAX and did the IAX/sip translation on the phone. | 21:35 |
| luke-jr | honestly, I've never found a softphone that I like | 21:35 |
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| fauxmight | It was good for the nat cross, but bad for quality. | 21:35 |
| luke-jr | I'm a Qt4-only guy | 21:36 |
| luke-jr | I hard mask GTK ☺ | 21:36 |
| fauxmight | telepathy sofia in diablo is oddly the best I've seen. | 21:36 |
| fauxmight | ech. | 21:36 |
| fauxmight | reverse that here. | 21:36 |
| luke-jr | I'm installing KDE 4.2 on my N810 | 21:36 |
| fauxmight | e16, baby | 21:36 |
| luke-jr | maybe I'll just wait for KDE 4.3 which should support Jingle video/voice | 21:36 |
| luke-jr | e16? | 21:36 |
| * luke-jr would consider alternate DEs, provided they are Qt4 ;) | 21:37 | |
| * aquatix should try e16 | 21:37 | |
| fauxmight | I'd be interested to know how it performs. If I ever get back to it, I will likely wrap some small bash around asterisk console for softphone. | 21:37 |
| aquatix | or rather, e17 | 21:37 |
| RST38h | XFCE anyone? | 21:37 |
| aquatix | xfce rocks | 21:37 |
| Meiz_n810 | there will be plasma-mid too | 21:37 |
| fauxmight | e16 = enlightenment Not a bit e17 fan. | 21:37 |
| luke-jr | plasma-mid? | 21:37 |
| * aquatix has used it since the early betas of 4.0 | 21:38 | |
| Meiz_n810 | yep | 21:38 |
| luke-jr | wtf is that | 21:38 |
| Meiz_n810 | it plasma for MIDs | 21:38 |
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| luke-jr | Meiz_n810: what is a MID? | 21:38 |
| luke-jr | I presume you don't mean MIDI | 21:38 |
| Meiz_n810 | Mobile Internet Device | 21:38 |
| luke-jr | what's wrong with the current plasma? | 21:38 |
| Meiz_n810 | Internet Tablets are MIDs | 21:38 |
| luke-jr | and why does plasma care if I have internet or not? | 21:39 |
| Meiz_n810 | luke-jr, plasma-mid will be more touchscreen optimized | 21:39 |
| Meiz_n810 | mids are small devices with touchscreen | 21:39 |
| luke-jr | Meiz_n810: so I should be installing KDE 4.3 beta? | 21:39 |
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| Meiz_n810 | luke-jr: plasma-mid is not available yey | 21:40 |
| luke-jr | uh | 21:40 |
| Meiz_n810 | s/yey/yet | 21:40 |
| luke-jr | if it's not available, how will it be in 4.3? | 21:40 |
| Meiz_n810 | it won't | 21:40 |
| Meiz_n810 | but maybe with 4.4 | 21:40 |
| RST38h | Gizmodo went severely audiofilish lately | 21:40 |
| luke-jr | pfft | 21:40 |
| * RST38h wonders when this craze will end | 21:41 | |
| luke-jr | by the time KDE 4.4 is out, I will have moved on from N810 I'm sure | 21:41 |
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| RST38h | SCP-570 is to be contained within a reinforced synthetic diamond case, 6 cm thick and layered with various motion and stress detection equipment. | 21:44 |
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| RST38h | ping | 22:49 |
| joyrider | timeout | 22:49 |
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| * RST38h pulls the plug | 22:51 | |
| lcuk | nooooooooooooooooooooooooo i hadn't saved | 22:52 |
| lbt | if I boot diablo with 32222222222222222222222222222222222222222 | 22:52 |
| lbt | cats! | 22:53 |
| qwerty12_N800 | Nah, it's more like 666 | 22:53 |
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| lbt | :) | 22:53 |
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| lbt | you too eh? | 22:53 |
| RST38h | lcuk: If you were using PICO though, you would have a backup file! =) | 22:53 |
| qwerty12_N800 | :D | 22:53 |
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| luke-jr | is it possible to use a fingerprint to authenticate with the N810's ts? | 22:57 |
| lcuk | yeah | 22:57 |
| lbt | low accuracy though | 22:58 |
| luke-jr | lbt: enough to avoid casual spoofing? | 22:58 |
| luke-jr | eg, lock out petty theives | 22:58 |
| lbt | yes | 22:58 |
| lbt | provided you keep it in a locked case | 22:58 |
| luke-jr | … | 22:58 |
| lbt | na | 22:58 |
| lbt | the resolution is orders of magnitude too low | 22:58 |
| lcuk | and put a big sign up "beward of the leapord" | 22:58 |
| lcuk | e | 22:59 |
| lbt | you may be able to photograph your finger though | 22:59 |
| lcuk | ffs | 22:59 |
| lcuk | undo | 22:59 |
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| lcuk | revert | 22:59 |
| lcuk | back | 22:59 |
| lbt | ^H | 22:59 |
| RST38h | AFAIK, fingerprints have 1/50 repeat rate, for a single finger | 22:59 |
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| RST38h | Next time somebody takes them from you, keep this in mind =) | 22:59 |
| lcuk | i almost did a fake fingerprint detector a while back | 23:00 |
| luke-jr | hum | 23:00 |
| luke-jr | face recog? | 23:00 |
| luke-jr | I presume the VGA is way too low res for retina ;) | 23:00 |
| lcuk | wouldv sneakily pressed one of the hardkeys when "authenticating" | 23:00 |
| lcuk | should be decent enough, its lighting | 23:00 |
| lcuk | but you could strobe the display - liqbase does a camera flash effect ;) | 23:00 |
| * RST38h votes for blood samples | 23:00 | |
| lcuk | dna! | 23:01 |
| RST38h | Why make login procedure easy? | 23:01 |
| RST38h | Then every idiotic busybody will be able to login | 23:01 |
| lbt | best way would be to remove the SD card | 23:01 |
| lbt | and have a ssh key on it | 23:01 |
| lcuk | fiddly | 23:01 |
| luke-jr | liqbase? | 23:01 |
| lcuk | if you could use the usb in same manner | 23:01 |
| lbt | usb key | 23:02 |
| lbt | yes | 23:02 |
| luke-jr | lbt: SD card is my rootfs | 23:02 |
| RST38h | Ah, TX wants to secede! Jesus, just for this once, I am asking YOU, not the Tentacled One, please, PLEASE, make this happen! | 23:02 |
| lbt | that'll stop em | 23:02 |
| lcuk | something small enough to still allow closing the kickstand | 23:02 |
| luke-jr | RST38h: link? | 23:02 |
| RST38h | luke: http://nyulocal.com/national/2009/04/16/gov-perry-texas-might-secede/ | 23:03 |
| lbt | lcuk... did you see http://www.flickr.com/photos/96141280@N00/3447533770/ | 23:03 |
| lbt | very first run of Qt shopper on Mer | 23:03 |
| lcuk | it says "cannot authenticate, please press palm on screen" | 23:03 |
| lbt | (copied binary so no icons...) | 23:04 |
| lcuk | nice! | 23:04 |
| lcuk | when are you making butties? | 23:05 |
| lbt | it is quite good now... I really wanted the battery charged to do a video | 23:05 |
| lbt | not allowed | 23:05 |
| lbt | I put on too much weight! | 23:05 |
| lcuk | all the more for me :D | 23:05 |
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| * lbt sniffs sadly | 23:05 | |
| lcuk | ill let you know how nice they are | 23:05 |
| lbt | with avacado and mayonaisse | 23:06 |
| lcuk | bleugh! avacado on bacon butties? | 23:07 |
| lbt | mmm | 23:07 |
| lbt | no brown sauce or ketchup <ugh> | 23:07 |
| lcuk | thats, like, an evil combination | 23:07 |
| lcuk | i can understand BLT (even thats pushing it!) | 23:07 |
| lbt | nah, it means you can eat them when the bacon is cold | 23:08 |
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| lbt | so if you sneak down in the middle of the night | 23:08 |
| lbt | and can't cook | 23:08 |
| lcuk | bacon is delicious at any temp :D | 23:08 |
| lbt | but if it doesn't melt the butter? | 23:08 |
| lcuk | heh when i cant cook i reach for the drizzle cake | 23:08 |
| lcuk | you melt your butter? i just eat it in spoonfuls out of the tub | 23:09 |
| lcuk | ive never tried it any other way | 23:09 |
| * lcuk actually heaved then | 23:09 | |
| lbt | do the N800 batteries get worse with age? | 23:11 |
| lcuk | all batteries do i think | 23:11 |
| lcuk | you runnin mer? | 23:11 |
| lbt | mines < 1 yr | 23:11 |
| lbt | I know Mer eats them | 23:12 |
| lbt | but mainly Diablo | 23:12 |
| luke-jr | RST38h: New Hampshire too ö | 23:12 |
| lcuk | my 810 is over a year old now and is just as happy as at the start | 23:12 |
| * Jaffa yawns | 23:13 | |
| lcuk | hey jaf | 23:13 |
| * lbt yanwed in sympathy.... irc is spooky | 23:13 | |
| Jaffa | :) | 23:13 |
| lcuk | luke-jr, google will tell you | 23:13 |
| johnx|n800 | my battery is just about toast after two years | 23:16 |
| lcuk | thats cos you have been driving at 300mph since you got it | 23:16 |
| johnx|n800 | actually I didn't do all that much driving for the last 2 years | 23:17 |
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