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| b-man | http://www.ohiolinux.org/ | 00:32 |
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| lakin_ | So I have a simple animation working on my n810 (OS2008), using SDL. But there is terrible tearing going on. I've looked around on google for the past few days and found that the general opinion is that this is life with this device. I tried the Xsp approach but it still tears fairly badly, although it is somewhat minimized. Are there good resources on this that I've missed? | 00:36 |
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| lakin_ | For the record I'm fine with moving away from SDL if there is a better way to get fullscreen updates that don't tear | 00:37 |
| lcuk | liqapp_log("nobble | 00:39 |
| lcuk | http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iMXp0Dg_UaY | 00:39 |
| lcuk | that even lol | 00:39 |
| lcuk | lakin_, :) take a look | 00:39 |
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| lakin_ | Does that answer my question or are you just pimping your app? | 00:42 |
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| lcuk | you tell me | 00:42 |
| lcuk | what are you trying to do, ill tell you if its compatible | 00:42 |
| lcuk | you mention animation, what sort are you aiming for | 00:43 |
| lakin_ | just seeing whether the n810 is suitable for fast 2d animations, right now it's just a simple animation, later it'll be some games. It's mostly 2D image blitting stuff | 00:43 |
| lcuk | do you need pixel level control | 00:43 |
| lcuk | lakin_, if you have a tablet already, install liqbase and take some photos | 00:44 |
| lcuk | it shows you a group of bouncing images, play with it and tell me if its useful | 00:44 |
| lcuk | the new framework is very close to release, there is a library and an application appears to only require a small amount of code (so far!) | 00:45 |
| lakin_ | I'm so confused - how does me taking a bunch of photos and playing with your app help me find the development API's that let me do things like v-sync or double buffering, or at the very least minimize tearing. | 00:45 |
| lcuk | its tells youif the device is cable to your expectations | 00:45 |
| lcuk | capable | 00:45 |
| lcuk | you have seen it as you dont like it, have a look and see if it will be worth your time investigating my project further :) | 00:46 |
| lcuk | i am merely trying to save you time | 00:46 |
| lakin_ | Does the n810 have so many versions that I have to run a test-suite to figure out if my particular device is capable of this or not? | 00:47 |
| lcuk | not at all lakin_, its just liqbase is the only thing which manages to render tear free graphics (apart from the media player) | 00:49 |
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| lakin_ | So it is possible. | 00:49 |
| lcuk | yes, my code is in garage, have fun | 00:50 |
| b-man | wb, zakkm | 00:51 |
| zakkm | ;o thanks b-man :) | 00:51 |
| b-man | np XD | 00:51 |
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| zakkm | how goes your ubuntu? | 00:52 |
| lakin_ | lcuk: heh, would it have been easier to say: liqbase renders stuff without tearing, the code is in garage, enjoy | 00:52 |
| b-man | zakkm: it's goings ok, allthough things have slown down | 00:53 |
| b-man | dramaticly | 00:53 |
| ShadowJK | hm | 00:53 |
| zakkm | development, or it started going slower | 00:53 |
| ShadowJK | lcuk: are you doing doublebuffere full frames? | 00:54 |
| b-man | zakkm: development - i've been quite busy with highschool related stuff | 00:54 |
| lcuk | lakin_, well since i doubt you could decipher the garage code in time to actually continue your project in a reasonable time i was trying to be nice and let you in on the beta of the new framework | 00:54 |
| zakkm | 12th grade? | 00:54 |
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| b-man | no, 10th | 00:55 |
| zakkm | wow | 00:55 |
| b-man | XD | 00:55 |
| lakin_ | lcuk: sounds great - but I'm still not certain what liqbase even is | 00:55 |
| zakkm | so young and so smart :) | 00:55 |
| b-man | :) | 00:55 |
| * b-man was building robots in the 7th grade | 00:55 | |
| zakkm | wow | 00:56 |
| ShadowJK | lakin: demo going towards becoming an api for smooth tearfree | 00:56 |
| lcuk | :D i love robot building | 00:56 |
| ShadowJK | is my guess | 00:56 |
| zakkm | my school would love you :) our robot wins competitions all the time | 00:56 |
| zakkm | went nationals last year | 00:56 |
| b-man | i grew up around computers | 00:56 |
| lcuk | lol b-man, potted in a midi-tower | 00:56 |
| b-man | ?? | 00:56 |
| zakkm | hahah | 00:57 |
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| zakkm | b-man ate chips for breakfast :) | 00:57 |
| zakkm | right b-man? | 00:57 |
| b-man | shure XD | 00:57 |
| b-man | i didn't mean it that way :P | 00:58 |
| lakin_ | hrrm - I still see tearing in liqbase on the camera app when things are moving around quickly | 00:58 |
| * b-man 's dad use to work for GM | 00:58 | |
| b-man | and phenux contact | 00:58 |
| zakkm | ;o | 00:58 |
| lcuk | lakin_, thats not the screen tearing though lol, thats me not locking when i grab the camera image | 00:58 |
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| b-man | i use to salvage all sorts of computers and disect them | 00:59 |
| * b-man has been tenkering with computer parts since he was 2 | 01:00 | |
| lakin_ | lcuk: so basically if you use xv directly one can achieve it. Sweet. I'll keep poking around the code - thx | 01:01 |
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| lakin_ | I'll also keep up with liqbase development | 01:08 |
| lcuk | :) | 01:08 |
| zakkm | and so lcuk discovered his greatest supporter.. *narroates* | 01:09 |
| lcuk | that cant be true, my mum doesnt come on irc :P | 01:10 |
| zakkm | /s/his/liqbase | 01:10 |
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| zakkm | hah | 01:10 |
| lcuk | :O | 01:10 |
| zakkm | lcuk mom, your one lucky mum, such a great child you have :) | 01:11 |
| lakin_ | lcuk: are there any good tutorials or api references for xv online? | 01:11 |
| lcuk_mum | lcuk: oi, it's past yer bedtime! | 01:11 |
| lcuk | absolutely none! | 01:11 |
| lakin_ | my initial googling hasn't found any | 01:11 |
| lakin_ | Did you just use the source as an example? | 01:11 |
| lcuk | its all from scratch - xv is just a plain surface | 01:11 |
| lcuk | its a bare bitmap surface | 01:11 |
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| lcuk | i just used my noggin and coded up the entire graphics library | 01:12 |
| lcuk | cos i needed it | 01:12 |
| zakkm | i once had an online buddy many years ago, used to play board games together online, like before yahoo games | 01:12 |
| zakkm | and his mom would play to in her own account | 01:12 |
| Ave | I'm trying to dump mtdblock4 over bootmenu/usb/ssh but the damn thing timeouts before the dump is done | 01:12 |
| Ave | whats causing this? | 01:12 |
| lcuk | are u sure he was he and not his mum all along | 01:12 |
| zakkm | they were seperate people | 01:13 |
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| zakkm | i remember one time he hasnt been on in awhile, out of ordinary.. was on as much as you guys are on this channel | 01:13 |
| zakkm | i msged his mom shes like hes grounded | 01:13 |
| qwerty12_N800 | Ave: lol, no, don't do it like that | 01:13 |
| Ave | to memory card? | 01:14 |
| zakkm | AVve, you try tar'ing / | 01:14 |
| zakkm | Ave* | 01:14 |
| zakkm | and then copy the tar over. .then extract? | 01:14 |
| Ave | as in mount the fs etc | 01:14 |
| qwerty12_N800 | Ave: got a memory card with ~256mb free? | 01:14 |
| lcuk | and feather'ing | 01:14 |
| zakkm | do the old clone to SD.. .just dont install bootloader :P | 01:14 |
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| Ave | well, I thought that I could dump the whole fs from block device and later restore that as is | 01:14 |
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| zakkm | Ave: do clone to sd, just dont do the bootloader part, quit it at that stage | 01:15 |
| qwerty12_N800 | Ave: you can remake the jffs2 file | 01:15 |
| Ave | where is the bootloader located? | 01:15 |
| zakkm | no idea | 01:15 |
| qwerty12_N800 | Ave: wait, i statically built mtd-tools for initfs a while back | 01:15 |
| qwerty12_N800 | Ave: got your memory card mounted? | 01:16 |
| Ave | not atm, I cant network in parallel with wlan and usb it seems | 01:17 |
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| qwerty12_N800 | mounted on the tablet | 01:17 |
| qwerty12_N800 | i assume this is in bootmenu? | 01:17 |
| Ave | yeah I can do that | 01:18 |
| Ave | need to make some more space there first .. | 01:18 |
| Ave | but uh, the problem was, bootmenu network rescue kills the network and returns to menu after a while | 01:19 |
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| Ave | few minutes, perhaps | 01:19 |
| Ave | ~5-6 | 01:19 |
| infobot | -1 | 01:19 |
| qwerty12_N800 | Ave: enable rd-mode via flasher | 01:19 |
| qwerty12_N800 | You can disable it when done, just that dsme won't reboot the tablet while in initfs | 01:20 |
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| Ave | ah so its some watchdog doing that? | 01:20 |
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| qwerty12_N800 | Yeah, dsme likes its system to have started booting by then... | 01:22 |
| Ave | is there some gotchas with the rd-mode? if I leave it on permanently | 01:22 |
| qwerty12_N800 | the tablet comes on with one press, can be annoying if you're walking around with the tablet in a pocket | 01:23 |
| lcuk | finger usable? :: http://liqbase.net/liq.20090414_232105.lib.scr.png | 01:24 |
| Ave | okies | 01:24 |
| Ave | so, on with the dump, whats wrong with dd'ing the whole mtdblock4 (usb or mmc)? | 01:25 |
| Ave | thats supposed to represeng the nand flash right? | 01:25 |
| qwerty12_N800 | the flasher won't accept it for flashing | 01:26 |
| qwerty12_N800 | I assume you're in RD-Mode now? | 01:26 |
| Ave | you mean its not possible to write back into the same device? | 01:26 |
| Ave | uh ok .. I'll mount the rootfs and tar the thing into mmc | 01:27 |
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| qwerty12_N800 | I had a better idea actually... | 01:27 |
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| Ave | shoot | 01:28 |
| qwerty12_N800 | Once mounted, you can mkfs.jffs2 it. this allows you to restore it easily from the flasher | 01:29 |
| qwerty12_N800 | *if* it ever responds, I've got mkfs.jffs2 here: http://qwerty12.maemobox.org/initfs/ | 01:29 |
| Ave | sorry, don't quite get it, why would I do that? | 01:30 |
| Ave | I just want a backup of my rootfs | 01:30 |
| Ave | I already got kernel and initfs | 01:30 |
| qwerty12_N800 | And that gets you one. | 01:30 |
| qwerty12_N800 | A proper one. | 01:30 |
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| qwerty12_N800 | But it's getting late here anyway | 01:31 |
| Ave | site doesnt appear to respond there | 01:31 |
| Ave | btw the (new?) initfs_flasher package has mkfs.jffs2 | 01:34 |
| qwerty12_N800 | yeah, was working 10 mins ago (go figure :/), but once mkfs.jffs2 is there, you can do mkfs.jffs2 -r /<mountpoint of rootfs> -o /<mmc mountpount>/rootfs.jffs2 -e 128 -l -n and you'll get a jffs2 fie on the memory card. Mount your memory card on the computer, copy the jffs2 file and when you need to restore, do a flasher-3.0 -f -r <jffs2 file> | 01:35 |
| qwerty12_N800 | won't run in initfs | 01:35 |
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| Ave | ah | 01:37 |
| Ave | ok thanks | 01:37 |
| qwerty12_N800 | Sorry, I dunno when it'll be up but that link has an mtd-utils that will run in initfs - just scp it to /tmp | 01:37 |
| qwerty12_N800 | s/it/the mkfs.jffs2 binary/ | 01:38 |
| infobot | qwerty12_N800 meant: Sorry, I dunno when the mkfs.jffs2 binary'll be up but that link has an mtd-utils that will run in initfs - just scp it to /tmp | 01:38 |
| qwerty12_N800 | gah | 01:38 |
| Ave | k, I'll check back later, thanks for the help | 01:38 |
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| b-man | i'm back | 01:44 |
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| b-man | ~ping | 02:23 |
| infobot | ~pong | 02:23 |
| b-man | ~burn himself | 02:24 |
| * infobot pours gasoline all over himself, ignites the fire, and then enjoys some toasty marshmallows with the glorious blaze | 02:24 | |
| b-man | XD | 02:24 |
| b-man | ~burn his N810 | 02:25 |
| * infobot pours gasoline all over his N810, ignites the fire, and then enjoys some toasty marshmallows with the glorious blaze | 02:25 | |
| b-man | LOL | 02:25 |
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| airtonarantes | I got it, maemo emulator on ubuntu but it hasn't nothing package installed. is it normal? | 02:31 |
| FireFox16 | hmm | 02:32 |
| FireFox16 | i think so | 02:33 |
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| Ave | airtonarantes: you mean qemu-arm? | 02:36 |
| Ave | or scratchbox | 02:37 |
| airtonarantes | Ave, scratchbox | 02:37 |
| Ave | its clean | 02:37 |
| airtonarantes | Ave, When I use the device (hasn't yet). Can I use the line commando like I'm using on emulator? | 02:39 |
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| GeneralAntilles | It's not an emulator. | 02:42 |
| qwerty12_N800 | It's not a tablet emulator, nor was it intended to be one. You don't get the user-esque apps. | 02:42 |
| Macer | i tell you... every month a little piece of me rejoices that i cancelled att :) | 02:47 |
| Macer | and a little piece of me is sad that my n95 doesn't support tmob 3G | 02:47 |
| Macer | but the G1 is good.. it is no N95 with its mature symbian .. but still good | 02:48 |
| Macer | that's what was good about symbian.. everything just worked :) | 02:48 |
| qwerty12_N800 | Sell the N95 to someone in Europe and get the American model :P | 02:48 |
| Macer | i have the american model | 02:48 |
| Macer | it doesn't support a 1700 band | 02:49 |
| Macer | i might just sell it to sell it | 02:49 |
| Macer | although it has a couple scratches.. nothing a made in china repair kit can't fix | 02:49 |
| Macer | :) | 02:49 |
| Macer | i was going to fix it up and sell it | 02:49 |
| * FireFox16 will never sell his N800, NEVER!!!!!!!!!!!! | 02:54 | |
| MakeGho | you'll have a personal museum? | 02:55 |
| FireFox16 | shure XD | 02:55 |
| FireFox16 | or i'll just use it untill it's unusable | 02:56 |
| FireFox16 | kinda what happened to my PSP XD ) | 02:57 |
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| Ave | qwerty12_N800: turns out your way (mkfs.jffs2) was the only one to get the job done .. | 03:11 |
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| AndrewFBlack | Hello | 03:11 |
| Ave | the busybox tar doesnt like >100 char path/filenames, cp to fat mmc1 fails also | 03:12 |
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| AndrewFBlack | GeneralAntilles you around? | 03:13 |
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| GeneralAntilles | Hmm? | 03:14 |
| qwerty12_N800 | Ave: heh, the real benefit in that method is the simplicity of restoring | 03:14 |
| Ave | indeed, its perfect | 03:14 |
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| Ave | so in theory, I could do a full restore from fiasco binary and then restore my own rootfs over that and it'd be 100% | 03:16 |
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| Ave | then just run initfs_flasher again to get bootmenu .. | 03:16 |
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| AndrewFBlack | I wonder if I should read the 12 pages of itt posts I've been in the last few weeks or just clear then and start over | 03:17 |
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| GeneralAntilles | Probably read. | 03:17 |
| GeneralAntilles | Just glaze some of the bickering. | 03:17 |
| GeneralAntilles | Ave, or just flash your rootfs. | 03:18 |
| GeneralAntilles | Unless you've trashed your kernel and initfs or something. | 03:18 |
| Ave | I'm assuming total bork | 03:18 |
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| guysoft42 | hey, does this interest you maemo people? some gps fun with my nokia n810: http://guysoft.wordpress.com/2009/04/15/north-gps-fun/ | 04:31 |
| Z357765413591701 | hmm | 04:31 |
| guysoft42 | Z357765413591701, is that a 'hmm' of interest? :) | 04:33 |
| Z357765413591701 | yes XD | 04:34 |
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| b-man | awsome :) | 04:35 |
| guysoft42 | i thought i might take the opportunity to ask what one has to do in order to get in to the planet.. i might have other stuff to blog about. | 04:35 |
| * b-man notices a picture of a stick covered in catepillars... lol | 04:37 | |
| b-man | anyways.. | 04:38 |
| GuySoft | b-man, yes had to get that one in.. it was head on with a picture of a crab though :) | 04:40 |
| b-man | heh | 04:42 |
| b-man | where was this? | 04:42 |
| b-man | oh | 04:43 |
| b-man | Israel | 04:43 |
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| b-man | hello, Shadow__X | 04:44 |
| Shadow__X | hello | 04:45 |
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| guysoft42 | b-man, yep.. | 04:55 |
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| * Z357765413591701 wonders if he should get back into developing ubuntu-n8x0 | 05:01 | |
| Z357765413591701 | i should | 05:02 |
| Z357765413591701 | i will :D | 05:02 |
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| b-man | i also should be more active in the forum :P | 05:11 |
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| luke-jr | how do I play .ilbc on a normal desktop? | 06:10 |
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| luke-jr | LVM2 on Maemo-- doable? | 07:27 |
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| eut | hello | 07:58 |
| eut | i'm running 2006 on a 770, how can i upgrade to the latest? | 07:59 |
| eut | (hasnt been used in a year or so) | 07:59 |
| GeneralAntilles | If anybody needs a HAVA, this is a great price: http://www.woot.com/ | 08:00 |
| eut | i've done an apt-get update/upgrade but it only updated 4 packages | 08:02 |
| GeneralAntilles | ~flashing | 08:02 |
| infobot | i heard flashing is http://wiki.maemo.org/Updating_the_tablet_firmware | 08:02 |
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| eut | thanks, i'll do that | 08:04 |
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| eut | btw, what is the hacker editions? | 08:05 |
| eut | is that hardware or software? | 08:05 |
| GeneralAntilles | Software | 08:06 |
| eut | what is the benefit of the hacker edition? | 08:08 |
| GeneralAntilles | Newer software. | 08:08 |
| eut | ok cool, i'll go with that one then | 08:08 |
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| eut | so it looks like the newest version for 770 is os2008 HE? | 08:09 |
| eut | do i want to download the sources or the SU-18_2008_....bin image? | 08:15 |
| eut | hmm | 08:21 |
| eut | i'm not seeing any console messages | 08:21 |
| eut | i'm just seeing "NOKIA" and a little usb symbol in the upper right corner | 08:24 |
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| Stskeeps | ' | 08:43 |
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| thux | morning | 08:51 |
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| * luke-jr is installign Gentoo | 08:53 | |
| thux | luke-jr: on tablet? | 08:55 |
| luke-jr | yeah, N810 | 08:56 |
| thux | cool | 08:56 |
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| luke-jr | Maemo just isn't cutting it for me | 08:56 |
| luke-jr | I end up mostly typing notes that don't make it into my main PC | 08:56 |
| thux | luke-jr: any documentation gentoo on tablet? | 08:57 |
| luke-jr | http://slonopotamus.org/gentoo-on-n8x0 | 08:57 |
| luke-jr | that's what I'm using | 08:57 |
| luke-jr | love the GCC flag to use less RAM | 08:58 |
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| eut | how can i search through and install packages on the device without going to maemo.org? | 09:09 |
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| MikaT | eut: apt-cache search <package> | 09:21 |
| MikaT | eut: apt-get install <package> | 09:21 |
| MikaT | eut: ...from command line, that is. | 09:21 |
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| eut | sources.lst is empty | 09:22 |
| MikaT | eut: There is also the Application Manager, if you prefer a GUI. | 09:22 |
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| eut | i also dont know how to become root | 09:24 |
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| MikaT | eut: You need to flash the image to R&D mode, and then issue command "sudo gainroot" from command line. I guess there were some "Red Pill" instructions too, but I can't remember them. You better google them. | 09:25 |
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| eut | i recently flashed the image by following the instructions here: http://wiki.maemo.org/Updating_the_tablet_firmware | 09:26 |
| MikaT | eut: and /etc/apt/sources.list is empty by default, but there is /etc/apt/sources.list.d/ directory that has a file. | 09:26 |
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| MikaT | eut: Ok, then you might need the "Red Pill" instructions for becoming a root. I hope they work, I have not used it myself. | 09:28 |
| eut | sudo gainroot, Enable RD mode if you want to break your device | 09:28 |
| eut | break your device? o0 | 09:28 |
| MikaT | eut: Yup, it's easier being a root ;) | 09:29 |
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| MikaT | eut: Just becoming a root wont break your device, but you can do real damage, as a root, if you are not careful. | 09:30 |
| eut | ah gotcha | 09:30 |
| eut | so how do i become root? | 09:30 |
| MikaT | eut: try to google "maemo Red Pill".... | 09:30 |
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| MikaT | eut: plan B is to re-flash your device: http://wiki.maemo.org/Flasher | 09:32 |
| eut | http://wiki.maemo.org/Red_Pill_mode | 09:32 |
| eut | haha | 09:33 |
| eut | red pill, matrix, break your device. these devs are great | 09:33 |
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| eut | arg | 09:35 |
| eut | so i'm in red pill, now what? | 09:35 |
| eut | i still cannot do sudo gainroot | 09:35 |
| eut | bah, i'll just reflash | 09:36 |
| MikaT | eut: Ok, sounds like red pill might not work then. | 09:37 |
| MikaT | eut: That's good. | 09:37 |
| MikaT | If you can do that. Add --enable-rd-mode parameter and that's it :) | 09:37 |
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| eut | what does -f do? | 09:37 |
| eut | previously i was flashing with -F SU...bin -f -R | 09:38 |
| MikaT | ./flasher --help | 09:38 |
| eut | now -F SU...bin --enable-rd-mode -R? | 09:38 |
| MikaT | --flash, -f Load and flash all supplied images | 09:38 |
| GeneralAntilles | ~root-access | 09:38 |
| infobot | well, root-access is http://wiki.maemo.org/Root_access | 09:38 |
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| MikaT | eut: oh, by the way, you can try just sudo ./flasher --enable-rd-mode even without reflashing. | 09:40 |
| eut | doh.. | 09:40 |
| eut | too late | 09:40 |
| MikaT | Ok :) Sorry, my memory is not at its peek yet ;) | 09:40 |
| eut | is that temporary or permanent? | 09:41 |
| GeneralAntilles | Permanent | 09:42 |
| GeneralAntilles | Please see | 09:42 |
| GeneralAntilles | ~root-access | 09:42 |
| infobot | root-access is, like, http://wiki.maemo.org/Root_access | 09:42 |
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| eut | ok | 09:42 |
| eut | well it has already finished flashing so not too bad | 09:42 |
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| eut | is there cisco vpn software so that i can connect to vpns? | 09:45 |
| gomiam | eut: on maemo? | 09:46 |
| gomiam | yup | 09:46 |
| gomiam | search for vpnc | 09:47 |
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| Macer | im watching 1080p 1984 dune =) | 09:51 |
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| jaska | ooh, extended version too?:D | 09:55 |
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| Macer | no | 09:57 |
| Macer | shitty one =) | 09:57 |
| Macer | i thought patrick stewart overdid it in the extended version | 09:58 |
| brut- | has anyone had any odd issues putting in an 8gb microSD card into an N810 and the 810 locking up shortly thereafter? | 09:58 |
| Macer | he went on these shakespearean sililoquies | 09:58 |
| Macer | like he bribed the director for a moment in the light | 09:59 |
| brut- | I'm thinking I've got a bad miniSD adapter; it's done it in 2 N810s with different microSD chips, but I'm not 110% sure yet | 09:59 |
| Macer | brut-: never used a msd in my n800 | 09:59 |
| brut- | Macer: ah :( | 10:00 |
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| brut- | how much storage does your n800 have onboard? | 10:00 |
| Addison | Greetings and salutations gentlemen! | 10:00 |
| brut- | g'day mate | 10:01 |
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| Addison | Heya brut! | 10:01 |
| Macer | i forgot | 10:01 |
| Macer | 256MB i think | 10:01 |
| Addison | Did Bundyo just take off like two seconds ago from here? | 10:01 |
| luke-jr | brut-: N800 takes two full sized SD :/ | 10:01 |
| Macer | ask Stskeeps ... i sent it to him | 10:02 |
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| Macer | i had 16G in it tho. 2x8G sd | 10:03 |
| Addison | So, anything exciting going on tonight? | 10:03 |
| luke-jr | Addison: installing Gentoo on N810 | 10:03 |
| Addison | Hold on while I google that. :) | 10:03 |
| luke-jr | … | 10:03 |
| Macer | does gentoo have an arm install? | 10:03 |
| luke-jr | Macer: uh, sure | 10:04 |
| Macer | haha | 10:04 |
| luke-jr | Gentoo has any platform GCC supports I think | 10:04 |
| Macer | wow | 10:04 |
| brut- | 2 full sized SDs? ouch | 10:04 |
| Macer | that sounds good but how are you going to get the other stuff working? | 10:04 |
| Macer | doesnt an n810 have 2 slots? | 10:05 |
| brut- | only 1 as far as I can find | 10:05 |
| brut- | under the backstand | 10:05 |
| L0cutus | 'ndi | 10:05 |
| Macer | there isnt an internal one? | 10:05 |
| Macer | under the battery? | 10:05 |
| Addison | Oh dear lord, installing Gentoo looks like a big confusing turd to install. Plus I don't even know what it would do. | 10:05 |
| Macer | it is | 10:05 |
| Macer | it is a pain | 10:06 |
| brut- | apparently there is: "# MiniSDHC card slot (replacing two full-size SDHC slots, one internal, one external)" | 10:06 |
| Macer | once you do it 50 times you get used to it | 10:06 |
| Addison | Got a few screenshots to show, Macer? | 10:06 |
| brut- | hmmph, I supposed the internal one is a mini too | 10:06 |
| Macer | Addison: no.. i havent used gentoo in like a year | 10:07 |
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| Addison | Okay, Macer. Just thought I'd ask. | 10:07 |
| Macer | it is ok | 10:07 |
| Addison | So Gentoo on the tablet is a piece I take it? | 10:07 |
| Macer | i suppose.. if you dont mind building everything | 10:07 |
| Macer | piece? | 10:08 |
| Addison | By piece, I meant piece of shi... | 10:08 |
| Macer | just use mer =) | 10:08 |
| Addison | t! | 10:08 |
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| Macer | i dont know. never tried gentoo on my n800 | 10:08 |
| Macer | used it for a while tho. debian is better | 10:09 |
| Macer | for a server.. nexenta is the best | 10:09 |
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| Macer | :) | 10:09 |
| Addison | Okay. Pop quiz. You can choose "back up" on the tablet. Can that be shared with others so they don't have to rifle through all the hoops to get their tablet tweaked out like what some of you guys have? | 10:10 |
| luke-jr | Macer: the N810 has only one external miniSDHC slot | 10:12 |
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| luke-jr | Macer: miniSDHC is virtually non-existent except as microSDHC adapters ☺ | 10:12 |
| luke-jr | Macer: the internal card is not accessible without taking it apart | 10:12 |
| Addison | I wish someone would upload their tweaked out customed N800 internal memory and throw it up on Rapidshare or something so others could enjoy their settings. | 10:12 |
| gomiam | Addison: probably... yes | 10:13 |
| luke-jr | Addison: illegal | 10:13 |
| gomiam | luke-jr: what? | 10:13 |
| gomiam | how can it be illegal? | 10:13 |
| luke-jr | gomiam: sharing the entire memory is not legal | 10:13 |
| luke-jr | due to Nokia including proprietary stuff | 10:13 |
| Addison | Yeah, luke, I was thinking that it might be. I'm not asking for paid applications, just the weird crud you guys always seem to be compiling. | 10:13 |
| gomiam | Addison: do you want the flash content or a backup available? | 10:14 |
| Macer | addison... install mer | 10:15 |
| Addison | I'd like to do a fresh flash and then choose "restore back up" or whatever it is and have the same experience that you guys enjoy. | 10:15 |
| Macer | =) | 10:15 |
| Macer | it has an install program | 10:15 |
| Macer | does 99% of it for you | 10:15 |
| Addison | Right now my tablet is a fluffy, cornball, piece of turd. I've got Dosbox, Maemoscreenshot and Telnet installed. And that's about it. :( | 10:15 |
| luke-jr | grr | 10:15 |
| gomiam | luke-jr: so Addison wants a backup available, not the flash memory. I.e., I would back up my current setup and make it available. | 10:15 |
| luke-jr | KDE 4 is not tested on ARM for Gentoo :< | 10:15 |
| Macer | kde4 on an n800? | 10:16 |
| luke-jr | gomiam: I highly doubt backup does more than personal docs | 10:16 |
| luke-jr | Macer: N810 | 10:16 |
| Macer | that would probably be disgustingly slow | 10:16 |
| Addison | Gomiam, if you would do that, you would become my personal hero! | 10:16 |
| luke-jr | I wonder. | 10:16 |
| Macer | kde3.5 was bad enough | 10:16 |
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| luke-jr | Macer: KDE 4 is better than 3.5 on resources | 10:16 |
| gomiam | luke-jr: oh, it does, I assure you. It also saves your connections, your package selection... | 10:16 |
| luke-jr | at least in theory | 10:17 |
| aquatix | morning all | 10:17 |
| Macer | although i think pb seriously overbloated his install | 10:17 |
| Macer | luke-jr: i disagree | 10:17 |
| gomiam | luke-jr: in theory _and_ in practice. I have flashed my N800 enough times to know it works | 10:17 |
| luke-jr | gomiam: KDE 4? | 10:17 |
| gomiam | after restoring, I only need a WiFi connection to reinstall the selected apps. | 10:17 |
| Macer | kde4? | 10:17 |
| gomiam | luke-jr: oops, sorry. I thought you were still talking about backups. | 10:18 |
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| luke-jr | lol | 10:18 |
| Macer | haha | 10:18 |
| Macer | Addison: half of it is doing it yourself | 10:18 |
| Macer | you should try it | 10:19 |
| gomiam | Addison: I have little to no customisation done, besides the packages I have installed. | 10:19 |
| Macer | and... stock maemo has thousands of apps you can install | 10:19 |
| gomiam | I might tell what apps and repositories I'm using, though :P | 10:19 |
| Macer | so you can have more than telnet on it | 10:19 |
| luke-jr | like KDE 4 | 10:19 |
| Addison | Okay. That works good enough for me, gomiam. | 10:21 |
| Addison | Hey, I was so pumped when I got Telnet to work. That just shows you how far behind in the times I am. :) | 10:22 |
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| gomiam | Addison: ok, let me try and dump my repository and package selection | 10:25 |
| Addison | Ah nuts. I think I need to head out. Hey gomiam, could you send that to me as a private message or post it on the message board? | 10:26 |
| gomiam | notice it's an N800 | 10:26 |
| Addison | I've got some serious drinking to do tonight and I'm well behind right now. | 10:26 |
| Addison | I've got a keg of beer and a snorkel with my name on it. *lol* | 10:26 |
| gomiam | Addison: look it up at http://gomiam.blogspot.com/ I'll write the info there :) | 10:26 |
| Addison | Okay. I'll bookmark it. Thanks! | 10:27 |
| Addison | Dude, you're a Spaniard? | 10:27 |
| Addison | I can speak a little Spanish.... How's this.... "Yo' esa! I didn't axe for no sprinklez on my ice creeeem!" | 10:28 |
| Addison | Pretty good. Yeah? | 10:28 |
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| Addison | Okay. Gotta go. Have a great night everyone! | 10:29 |
| luke-jr | … | 10:29 |
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| Jaffa | Morning, all | 10:46 |
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| cosmo | is it some known bug that causes locking/unlocking touch screen very slow? | 10:50 |
| cosmo | i think it also runs battery down fast and causes random reboots | 10:50 |
| * Jaffa 's N810 has been very slow locking & unlocking the touchscreen over the past few days - not sure what's caused it | 10:51 | |
| Jaffa | Oh, and modest's email checker's broken again | 10:51 |
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| cosmo | i do have a lot of 3rd party apps installed, so it might be one of them causing it | 10:52 |
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| * aquatix wonders why hildon-desktop has grown to use so much memory over time and take about 6% cpu all the time | 10:54 | |
| aquatix | any applets that are known to cause this? | 10:54 |
| aquatix | i use statusbar clock, load applet, clock, weather, quick contacts and the rss applet in non-scrolling mode | 10:55 |
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| Jaffa | qwerty12_N800: ping | 11:14 |
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| aquatix | anyone has an idea? :) | 11:21 |
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| qwerty12_N800 | *yawn* | 11:23 |
| qwerty12_N800 | Jaffa: pong | 11:23 |
| aquatix | morning qwerty12_N800 | 11:23 |
| qwerty12_N800 | hey aquatix | 11:24 |
| * aquatix hands qwerty12_N800 a cup of $favourite_hot_drink | 11:24 | |
| qwerty12_N800 | ta | 11:24 |
| Jaffa | qwerty12_N800: http://wiki.maemo.org/index.php?title=Mer/Sprints/0.12&diff=12521&oldid=prev - I don't remember suggesting that | 11:25 |
| qwerty12_N800 | Jaffa: hmm, sorry, I must've put the wrong name down (stskeeps had me there initially). Lemme check the logs | 11:26 |
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| Jaffa | qwerty12_N800: ta :) | 11:28 |
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| qwerty12_N800 | Jaffa: apologies, Andre told Stskeeps about it | 11:33 |
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| eichi | hello | 11:59 |
| eichi | what is the easiest way, to make something like a fast-editable-allways-visible note? | 12:00 |
| eichi | i want something on the screen, i can note, where my bisycle is parked | 12:00 |
| eichi | should go fast | 12:00 |
| eichi | at the moment, i use mTask with home applet | 12:01 |
| eichi | but maybe, there is something, like a one-click-edit note? | 12:01 |
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| aquatix | eichi: new note? | 12:17 |
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| aquatix | maybe a homescreen applet can be made to add a new note with a one-line input | 12:17 |
| aquatix | through dbus or something | 12:17 |
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| lcuk | eichi, not yet, but the new liqbase should fit your needs once released :) | 12:35 |
| lcuk | you should even be able to take a picture as well ;) | 12:35 |
| eichi | lcuk, lol ;D nice idea | 12:35 |
| lcuk | alternatively, you could tie a piece of string between your bike and yourself | 12:36 |
| lcuk | sorta quantum entanglement | 12:36 |
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| RST38h | moo all | 13:01 |
| qwerty12 | baa RST38h | 13:01 |
| GeneralAntilles | Ha, I like how Nokia just amends and appends random shit to the category list with no discussion. | 13:03 |
| Myrtti | baabaa | 13:03 |
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| thux | dobroe | 13:04 |
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| * thux wonders why slopopotamus gentoo doesn't use the same wifi driver that nitroid uses | 13:08 | |
| qwerty12 | Because it uses 2.6.21 kernel. | 13:08 |
| qwerty12 | Mer, also currently using 2.6.21 on tablets, still uses cx3110x. | 13:08 |
| thux | ok | 13:09 |
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| * lcuk appends GeneralAntilles to the category list. new applicaitons can be grouped by you now! | 13:22 | |
| GeneralAntilles | Woo! | 13:22 |
| Stskeeps | i thought "General" on iTT was about GA :P | 13:22 |
| GeneralAntilles | Boingo still hasn't fixed theirs. | 13:22 |
| lcuk | heh | 13:22 |
| GeneralAntilles | Stskeeps, I think that every time I see it written. :P | 13:23 |
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| lcuk | did anyone reach an agreement about ranking on itt? | 13:30 |
| Stskeeps | GA > * | 13:31 |
| Stskeeps | i guess | 13:31 |
| GeneralAntilles | Bwawawa! | 13:31 |
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| LopLiii | is there exist better browser than os 2007HE stocks? | 13:49 |
| LopLiii | i mean performance wise | 13:50 |
| qwerty12 | Upgrade to OS2008HE and install Tear | 13:50 |
| LopLiii | hi, qwerty12, will os2008HE making general app speed more slowly than 2007he? | 13:51 |
| qwerty12 | Hi, probably, I hear it isn't as fast and demands more swap but if I'm being more honest, even on a N800 with OS2008, I use Tear instead of the default browser | 13:53 |
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| qwerty12 | :/ | 13:53 |
| Stskeeps | or try out Mer on 770 :P 0.12 will be a lot more stable | 13:56 |
| Mikho_ | would anyone know how to find out the default web browser setting from within a C++ program, inside scratchbox environment or N810? | 13:57 |
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| RST38h | qwerty: tear has got the same problem as microb, made worse by kinetic scrolling | 14:08 |
| lcuk | what problem :O | 14:08 |
| qwerty12 | RST38h: it's not perfect, but I, sure as hell, find it faster than MicroB :) | 14:09 |
| RST38h | qwerty: you try scrolling it, it suddenly stalls, eating 100% CPU, then either continues scrolling (MicroB) or decides it has been a click (both), or the kinetic stuff goes haywire (Tear) | 14:09 |
| RST38h | oh it is faster than MicroB | 14:09 |
| RST38h | But these weird scrolling behaviours make me feel like I am walking a minefield | 14:09 |
| lcuk | heh | 14:09 |
| t_s_o | yep, never understood the need for kinetics... | 14:11 |
| qwerty12 | Hopefully, Bundyo will add a toggle option for it | 14:12 |
| GeneralAntilles | It's funny, because webkit-eal's scrolling works GREAT | 14:12 |
| _berto_ | I think I'll compile Links for the table one of these days ... | 14:13 |
| _berto_ | *tablet | 14:13 |
| qwerty12 | We have links, links2, and elinks somewhere afaik | 14:13 |
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| lcuk | oh shit, i meant to stop at you | 14:13 |
| lcuk | BACK BACK BACK | 14:13 |
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| lcuk | \o hola t_s_o | 14:14 |
| t_s_o | webkit-eal had/has the ability to tune the scrolling response, depending on what version your using | 14:14 |
| RST38h | LYNX | 14:14 |
| t_s_o | lcuk | 14:14 |
| _berto_ | qwerty12: really ? I took a quick look some time ago and I didn't see it | 14:15 |
| lcuk | yeah t_s_o | 14:15 |
| t_s_o | http://www.coolest-gadgets.com/20090414/the-usb-apple-fan/ <- do i smell a pun? | 14:15 |
| _berto_ | t_s_o: 'fan' or 'coolest' ? :-D | 14:16 |
| t_s_o | :P | 14:16 |
| qwerty12 | _berto_: links2 is here: http://quinput.eu/debfarm/pool/ | 14:17 |
| qwerty12 | Although, it's probably old by now... | 14:17 |
| _berto_ | qwerty12: thx | 14:17 |
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| ShadowJK | in tear you can scroll on more things, microb seems to occasionally need some double-tripple-quad-tapping to convince it I don't want to mark text | 14:39 |
| RST38h | That too | 14:40 |
| RST38h | Anyways, we have no control of MicroB, but Bundyo is a perfectly reasonable guy | 14:40 |
| RST38h | So, I suggest a few of us bring up the scrolling problem at the iTT thread | 14:40 |
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| ShadowJK | I've also experienced tear's love for sending the page scrolling at incredible speeds :) | 14:41 |
| RST38h | Shadow: That is what I mean by kinetic stuff going haywire | 14:41 |
| ShadowJK | Yeah | 14:41 |
| RST38h | Works like a charm on mobile pages though | 14:41 |
| ShadowJK | It happens for me mostly when the touchscreen loses track of the stylus | 14:41 |
| RST38h | which, surprise, happens when the tablet has been doing "something" at 100% CPU for the past 5-10 seconds | 14:42 |
| RST38h | so that when it arrives to the next stylus acquisition point, the stylus can be anywhere, including user's ear | 14:43 |
| lcuk | mouse event goes from position 90 to position 380 in one event timeslice and your page contents fuck off to the southpole | 14:43 |
| RST38h | yeah | 14:44 |
| lcuk | hah | 14:44 |
| ShadowJK | Oh I meant when I start dragging stylus in the sensitive area of the screen and accidentally move it across the less sensitive area without increasing pressure, it registers as quintuple-clicks and other fun stuff which occasionally makes tear send the page at warp speed | 14:44 |
| RST38h | Shadow: that too but it must be super easy to fix | 14:45 |
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| ShadowJK | I think the input stuff in linux is able to attach timestamps to events, but atleast a year ago on Linux desktop, Xorg itself was ignoring it | 14:45 |
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| lcuk | ShadowJK, i have a bad screen on my main dev 810 - its not sensitive to finger stuff, the kinetic never goes mad tho | 14:46 |
| ShadowJK | on a related note, I wish someone made load applet not show CPU use as 100-Idle | 14:47 |
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| lcuk | why? cos it always shows as 1 nobble? | 14:48 |
| ShadowJK | actually I don't know what load applet measures, by just watching at it I'm not sure if it's looking at current CPU frequency or looking at idle time | 14:49 |
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| lcuk | it might be just random | 14:49 |
| ShadowJK | But anyway, CPU usage as 100-idle treats IO load as CPU load | 14:50 |
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| Bstrd | hello alterego | 15:36 |
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| Stskeeps | Macer: tablet is under customs processing now | 15:50 |
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| GeneralAntilles | It's gonna arrive in pieces. | 15:53 |
| Stskeeps | probably | 15:53 |
| Stskeeps | we'll see how it goes | 15:53 |
| GeneralAntilles | Either that, or it's going to be a bomb. :P | 15:53 |
| GeneralAntilles | Macer's a Nokia agent. | 15:54 |
| Stskeeps | my tablet is just getting worse and worse | 15:54 |
| Stskeeps | it's at the point i have difficulties using it | 15:54 |
| Stskeeps | .. and i don't feel like starting to use the 770 actively | 15:55 |
| Stskeeps | :P | 15:55 |
| qwerty12_N800 | Is this the point where you go to your fiancee that you're not gonna give her the 770, but she can have the next model up instead? :p | 15:56 |
| GeneralAntilles | This is the point where he begs for forgiveness with 3 RX-51s. | 15:56 |
| Stskeeps | qwerty12_N800: first thing she said when coming home was "oh, i didn't take my laptop along from poland, assuming i can use the 770 for the while being" | 15:57 |
| Stskeeps | 770/tablet | 15:57 |
| qwerty12_N800 | poor girl, she's in for a surprise... | 15:58 |
| Stskeeps | well, she can actually stand it - the wifi "blindness" issue is kinda annoying though | 15:59 |
| Stskeeps | have considered getting latest mer on it and see if it helps | 16:00 |
| Stskeeps | qwerty12_N800: did anyone experiment with suspend to disk yet on n8x0 anyway? | 16:00 |
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| GeneralAntilles | Recently or in general? | 16:01 |
| qwerty12_N800 | not to my knowledge | 16:01 |
| Stskeeps | in general | 16:01 |
| Stskeeps | the battery switch use case would be useful, heh | 16:02 |
| GeneralAntilles | I'm pretty sure somebody looked into it. | 16:02 |
| Stskeeps | qwerty12_N800: also we should look at s2ram at some point | 16:03 |
| qwerty12_N800 | My understanding is, that amongst other difiiculties, watchdog kicks in | 16:03 |
| Stskeeps | ah - i actually did some experiments with it in ireland | 16:04 |
| Stskeeps | it doesn't | 16:04 |
| qwerty12_N800 | Stskeeps: I assume the script, as the author of the program has never heard of sharing source... | 16:04 |
| Stskeeps | yes, script | 16:04 |
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| Stskeeps | but i think we can do some interesting things if we really want to | 16:07 |
| Stskeeps | argh, the script disappeare | 16:08 |
| Stskeeps | d | 16:08 |
| * Stskeeps grabs from mirror | 16:09 | |
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| GeneralAntilles | What sort of powersaving are you looking at with s2ram? 60 days? | 16:09 |
| qwerty12_N800 | ftp.iasi.roedu.net/mirrors/openwrt.org/people/mbm/n800/suspend.sh | 16:10 |
| Stskeeps | qwerty12_N800: yeah, just found it | 16:10 |
| Stskeeps | GeneralAntilles: fanoush claimed 30 days at some point | 16:10 |
| GeneralAntilles | Stskeeps, that wasn't s2ram | 16:10 |
| GeneralAntilles | that was just idle. | 16:10 |
| Stskeeps | k | 16:10 |
| Stskeeps | then i don't know, we'll find out i guess | 16:10 |
| GeneralAntilles | Which actually makes me think that s2ram may not be worth the effort. | 16:11 |
| Stskeeps | i don't mind something like S2ram for long journeys without powerplug | 16:11 |
| GeneralAntilles | Although s2disk may be. | 16:11 |
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| Stskeeps | as reboots are nasty | 16:11 |
| qwerty12_N800 | Stskeeps: should be trivial to add it to powerlaunch | 16:11 |
| Stskeeps | yeah.. i wouldn't mind s2disk either | 16:11 |
| GeneralAntilles | s2disk seems like less work | 16:12 |
| Stskeeps | depends on how badly written the arm parts are | 16:12 |
| GeneralAntilles | Since there's no watchdog kicking or anything that needs to be done. | 16:12 |
| Stskeeps | i mean, we have a race condition in kexec | 16:12 |
| Stskeeps | we'll see, - once mer is more stable it's worth looking into | 16:13 |
| GeneralAntilles | What'd a RAM dump to disk take? About 15 seconds? | 16:14 |
| X-Fade | With full cpu and IO ;) | 16:14 |
| X-Fade | Which is exactly why you don't want a reboot. | 16:14 |
| X-Fade | So I'm not sure if save and restore will win you anything. | 16:15 |
| X-Fade | Sounds like a reboot to me. | 16:15 |
| GeneralAntilles | Yeah, true. | 16:15 |
| GeneralAntilles | Though at least you're saved app launching. | 16:15 |
| X-Fade | Well flightmode + locked will probably save you more. | 16:16 |
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| X-Fade | Unless you need to wait several days. | 16:16 |
| GeneralAntilles | and unless you've got something freaking out in the background | 16:16 |
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| GeneralAntilles | or using 0.1% CPU | 16:17 |
| X-Fade | Yeah, but that is something you can test beforehand ;) | 16:17 |
| GeneralAntilles | It's a tough one to troubleshoot | 16:17 |
| GeneralAntilles | since top certainly doesn't help. | 16:17 |
| X-Fade | No, but a clean image does.. | 16:17 |
| GeneralAntilles | That sounds fun. :P | 16:18 |
| X-Fade | Btw those FRUCT guys seems to do some long running tests for leaks and performance drains. | 16:18 |
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| Stskeeps | i'd like a more visual indicator of how "hot" a program is running the system | 16:19 |
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| lcuk | i mostly get battery death when nothing is technically running | 16:20 |
| lcuk | or showing as busy | 16:20 |
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| * lcuk thinks its mostly extra interfaces | 16:21 | |
| lcuk | maybe the powervr :O | 16:21 |
| Stskeeps | heh @ the MAC address thread | 16:21 |
| Stskeeps | and this shows why the eula is needed :P | 16:22 |
| qwerty12_N800 | ever googled N800 back cover? | 16:22 |
| Stskeeps | i have before i got a 770 gotten a MAC through google, though | 16:22 |
| Stskeeps | as there was a xomap problem | 16:23 |
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| ilovemistakes | hello everybody. is it possible to use gconf for storing data with maemo-sdk+ and sb2? reading is fine, but on write gconf says he has no writable databases. | 17:29 |
| Macer | blah | 17:30 |
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| ShadowJK | working powertop would be nice | 17:39 |
| * ShadowJK sighs | 17:40 | |
| ShadowJK | microsd is evil | 17:40 |
| ShadowJK | it's too small :( | 17:40 |
| qwerty12_N800 | if you disable wifi & compile the kernel with the required option, it's possible... | 17:41 |
| qwerty12_N800 | have wifi enabled however and the tablet hangs | 17:41 |
| ShadowJK | heh | 17:41 |
| ShadowJK | I had sound die on me the other day | 17:41 |
| ShadowJK | and the tablet would freeze a few seconds whenever it tried to play something | 17:42 |
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| qwerty12_N800 | Heh, mplayer always does that to me when I forget to toggle its alsa output to bluetooth | 17:43 |
| ShadowJK | dmesg was full of page allocation failures. dsp_dld seemed to want a 1meg chunk of ram in kernel | 17:43 |
| ShadowJK | after a few days uptime, heckn after a few minutes, 1Meg of contigous kernel memory is impossible to find :) | 17:43 |
| qwerty12_N800 | uprecords on my tablet says:" 1 0 days, 23:07:26 | Linux 2.6.21-omap1 Tue Apr 14 10:34:06 2009" :( | 17:44 |
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| ShadowJK | hm, has nobody made anything to answer the question "what's using CPU when the screen is off?" yet? :-) | 17:46 |
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| lopz | HOLA | 17:51 |
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| timsamoff | OT Question: If an organization completely blocks SMTP, is there another type of gateway (aside from web-based tech) to send mail? | 17:58 |
| woglinde | hm??? | 17:59 |
| ShadowJK | I think one variant of ssl encrypted smtp uses another port | 17:59 |
| woglinde | ig they block its policy | 17:59 |
| woglinde | and I wouldnt bypass the policy | 18:00 |
| timsamoff | All SMTP is blocked (regardless of SSL ports, etc.). | 18:00 |
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| ShadowJK | Well you'd have to experiment how they block it :-) | 18:00 |
| timsamoff | woglinde do you work in IT. ;) | 18:00 |
| woglinde | I would rather ask | 18:00 |
| timsamoff | I've asked -- I've gotten them to open IMAP, but they won't budge in SMTP. | 18:01 |
| ShadowJK | If they aren't that competent they'll only have blocked port 25, or blocked everything except http. | 18:01 |
| ShadowJK | Oh, that sounds like they've blocked everything then :-) | 18:01 |
| timsamoff | Yes. Unfortunately. | 18:01 |
| woglinde | ah you freenlancer there? | 18:01 |
| woglinde | args are | 18:02 |
| timsamoff | Actually, I'm at a public library. | 18:02 |
| woglinde | hehe | 18:02 |
| timsamoff | They are very competent here... And, very nice to open IMAP for me. But, what good is receiving if you can't give. (I'm a giver, you know.) | 18:02 |
| woglinde | hm you shpuld respect it | 18:02 |
| woglinde | or be not nice and use a http or dns tunneÃl | 18:03 |
| woglinde | hm seems some letters are on tge worng place on my keyboard | 18:03 |
| timsamoff | Right... Is there a way to do that via SMTP settings in a desktop email app, though? | 18:03 |
| ShadowJK | timsamoff, no way | 18:03 |
| timsamoff | Hmmm... I'm not trying to be malicious, of course. Webmail for 8 hours a day is difficult. | 18:04 |
| jukey | maybe port 443 (SSL) is free | 18:05 |
| timsamoff | jukey: Don't know if I've tried that one. 465 is not open, though. I'll check. | 18:05 |
| jukey | but you need a destination for your tunnel | 18:05 |
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| timsamoff | Hmmm... I think I can do that. I will check. | 18:06 |
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| ShadowJK | That destination becomes your new origin on the internet so you're not really using their intarwebs for sending emails through a bloodpressure friendly interface :D | 18:07 |
| timsamoff | Ok. Thanks, everyone! | 18:07 |
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| derf | http://www.popsci.com/bacon | 18:16 |
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| lcuk | derf, you called? | 18:21 |
| X-Fade | Heh, notification on bacon? :) | 18:21 |
| Myrtti | BACON! | 18:21 |
| lcuk | :D abso-piggin-lutely | 18:21 |
| GeneralAntilles | lcuk always makes me think of the Bacon Bits dog. | 18:22 |
| lcuk | timsamoff, was it you that baconified me? | 18:22 |
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| lcuk | look at this>> http://bacolicio.us/http://liqbase.net/ | 18:22 |
| lcuk | its beggin strips gan, and i tell ya, im never eating that crap agian | 18:22 |
| GeneralAntilles | Er, right. | 18:22 |
| * GeneralAntilles is addled. | 18:22 | |
| lcuk | in reality if i consumed as much bacon as i put out, i would be well and truly dead by now | 18:23 |
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| GeneralAntilles | Hehe | 18:24 |
| lcuk | i have a new food stuff though that is as scrumptious as bacon and a little less likely to harden my arteries | 18:24 |
| lcuk | home baked: lemon n lime drizzle cake | 18:25 |
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| * lcuk gets hungry at the thought | 18:25 | |
| lcuk | i best go back to work tho | 18:25 |
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| timsamoff | lcuk: 'twas. | 18:33 |
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| slonopotamus_ | luke-jr, ahha! i remembered i saw you somewhere | 20:06 |
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| * lcuk ponders what wouldv happened if i had gone for an ipod touch | 20:09 | |
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| lcuk | gone | 20:10 |
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| maemo_VDVsx | lcuk, instead of the tablet ? :) | 20:27 |
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| lcuk | yeha | 20:28 |
| lcuk | you in the conflict meeting? | 20:28 |
| maemo_VDVsx | yes | 20:28 |
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| lcuk | X-Fade, | 20:34 |
| lcuk | ping | 20:34 |
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| freex_ | hi all | 20:38 |
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| freex_ | if i want to mount a windows-share i need a FAT32 partition. is this correct?! | 20:39 |
| freex_ | there is no way to access NTFS partitions? | 20:39 |
| luke-jr | sounds like BS to me | 20:39 |
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| trofi | mounting network SMB share requires mount.smbfs/mount.cifs/smbnetfs/fusesmb/etc | 20:41 |
| ShadowJK | over network the filesystem doesn't matter | 20:41 |
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| lcuk | Free_x over wifi, the problem is not the filesystem, its that maemo cannot access password protected shares | 20:43 |
| freex_ | i can see the server and shares. but no files in it | 20:43 |
| freex_ | in an article on the inet is written, that i have to use FAT32 | 20:44 |
| nikosapi | Sorry to bug you guys again about GSOC, but is it normal that I haven't recieved any comments on my proposal yet? | 20:44 |
| lcuk | i dont see how since the filesystem information is not sent over the ether (afaik) | 20:44 |
| nikosapi | the FS shouldn't make a difference | 20:45 |
| freex_ | ok! | 20:45 |
| freex_ | lcuk | 20:45 |
| freex_ | thx! | 20:45 |
| lcuk | you! are! welcome! | 20:45 |
| ShadowJK | freex_: if you connected harddrive to tablet via usb, then harddrive couldn't be ntfs formatted | 20:45 |
| ShadowJK | but ober network it makes no difference | 20:45 |
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| freex_ | ok ShadowJK! | 20:46 |
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| qwerty12_N800 | RST38h: Seeing as you're the one mooing, for you own safety, I'd advise you not to go... | 20:49 |
| qwerty12_N800 | s/you/your | 20:49 |
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| RST38h | qwerty: I am sick. | 20:50 |
| RST38h | qwerty: And this way, I at least have a chance of spreading the disease to as many victims as possible. | 20:50 |
| qwerty12_N800 | hehe | 20:51 |
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| cityOfLights | any one alive? | 22:08 |
| luke-jr | no | 22:09 |
| cityOfLights | ok, I got this issue: | 22:09 |
| cityOfLights | I am using the boot of SD and I had ocasinaly my device died when the battery was out | 22:10 |
| cityOfLights | I then saw odities, and when I try to fsck it, it constantly shows the same problems | 22:10 |
| cityOfLights | and I can't fix it using -a | 22:10 |
| cityOfLights | it is ext2, is there anything to do but format it? | 22:10 |
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| lcuk | cityOfLights, sounds like the card is on its way out perhaps - for the price of a new one it might be worth it | 22:13 |
| lcuk | unless you enjoy recovering correupted data regularly | 22:13 |
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| cityOfLights | it is a brand new 16Gb sandisk | 22:14 |
| lcuk | ohhh | 22:14 |
| cityOfLights | and I replaced a 8Gb new transcad that gave me the same issue | 22:14 |
| lcuk | what problems | 22:14 |
| luke-jr | cityOfLights: afaik, Nseries don't support > 8 GB | 22:14 |
| Stskeeps | eh, n800 has been seen with 2x32gb | 22:14 |
| cityOfLights | 8 gb and 16 worked for a while | 22:15 |
| qwerty12_N800 | cityoflights: using a 48mhz sd speed kernel? | 22:15 |
| cityOfLights | let me see | 22:17 |
| cityOfLights | I think it the stock kernel that I got after the last official nokia update | 22:17 |
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| cityOfLights | I run 2.6.21-omap1 #1 Tue Jan 20 22:44:37 armv61 unknown | 22:23 |
| cityOfLights | in the about I see 5.2008.43-7 | 22:23 |
| qwerty12_N800 | what does cat /proc/version say? | 22:24 |
| cityOfLights | Linux version 2.6.21-omap1 (matan@matan) (gcc version 3.4.4 (release) (CodeSourcery ARM 2005q3-2)) #1 Tue Jan 20 22:44:37 IST 2009 | 22:24 |
| cityOfLights | oh right this is a version that can run pptp | 22:25 |
| qwerty12_N800 | that's not a nokia kernel | 22:25 |
| cityOfLights | so it was compiled manually | 22:25 |
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| cityOfLights | I could still run with the 8Gb using the original kernel from nokia | 22:25 |
| cityOfLights | need I swith back to the original kernel to try to fix my sd? | 22:27 |
| qwerty12_N800 | well, it depends i guess. the kernel may not be your problem, but for me, I'd get corruptions with the 48mhz one | 22:28 |
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| cityOfLights | ok, pls remind me, I think I can burn back the nokia kernel without the usb - right? | 22:34 |
| Razumihin | I had some strange bug with sd also. | 22:34 |
| Razumihin | The whole device locked and I couldn | 22:34 |
| Razumihin | t use sd even from commandline. | 22:34 |
| Razumihin | Only thing that helped was flashing the device. | 22:35 |
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| cityOfLights | but I think I will try to flash the kernel only , right? | 22:35 |
| cityOfLights | what qwerty? | 22:35 |
| Razumihin | Hmm? | 22:36 |
| qwerty12_N800 | sorry, mer's h-i-m. go figure... | 22:36 |
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| cityOfLights | what is the osso-software-version-rx34-unlocked package/ | 22:55 |
| cityOfLights | ? | 22:55 |
| cityOfLights | I want to re-install the diablo kernel | 22:55 |
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| usicow | I'm trying to make a symlink from /media/mmc1/music to /media/mmc2/music, but I'm getting the error Operation not permitted. | 22:57 |
| usicow | The command I'm using is: ln -s /media/mmc1/music /media/mmc2/music | 22:57 |
| usicow | does anyone know whats wrong? | 22:58 |
| qwerty12_N800 | fat* doesn't support symlinks | 22:58 |
| usicow | strange.. I thought I had done this before.. | 22:59 |
| usicow | but is the internal drive fat? | 22:59 |
| qwerty12_N800 | Yes, unless you reformatted it to something different, it most likely will be | 23:00 |
| usicow | what I'm trying to do is make it to the media player (when I open it) automatically looks in mmc1/music (my own memory card) rather than the internal one. Is that possible? | 23:01 |
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| qwerty12_N800 | it should do by default, it just sounds like the list of available tracks haven't refreshed. if we're talking about the default one, running metalayer-crawler from a terminal forces a refresh | 23:03 |
| usicow | cool thanks | 23:03 |
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| usicow | hmm that didnt seem to work.. it was very quick by the way.. and I still cant see the mp3's on my own memory card. | 23:04 |
| qwerty12_N800 | odd :/ | 23:05 |
| usicow | yeah the only way I can get to them is by opening the file manager and selecting them from there. | 23:06 |
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| lakin | lcuk: Playing with liqbase - the blit test tears just like my program does | 23:18 |
| lcuk | shit | 23:21 |
| * lcuk is devistated | 23:21 | |
| lcuk | do you wanna upload a vid of it tearin, cos ive never seen it happen | 23:22 |
| lakin | The blit test is the png of the Maemo site | 23:22 |
| lakin | the best place to see it is the edge of the picture of Dr. Ari Jaaksi | 23:22 |
| lakin | The edge will show it clearly if you quickly drag back and forth diagonally | 23:23 |
| * lcuk fails to see it | 23:23 | |
| lakin | I don't have a camera to take a video of it | 23:23 |
| lakin | Otherwise I would | 23:23 |
| lcuk | wheres your app then so i can see how bad you mean | 23:23 |
| RST38h | "We will seek out the Americans and if we capture them we will slaughter them," said a 25-year-old pirate based in the Somali port of Harardhere who gave only his first name, Ismail. | 23:23 |
| lakin | lcuk: the app is on my computer | 23:24 |
| lcuk | and i gather you are running in ondemand mode and at 640*480 | 23:24 |
| RST38h | ho ho ho, the war is on =) | 23:24 |
| lakin | lcuk: I'm running whatever came on the machine - I haven't messed with it at all | 23:24 |
| lcuk | chuck us the source ill build it here and have a see what i must be doing wrong | 23:24 |
| lakin | hrmm My app won't really be able to show you what's wrong with liqbase | 23:24 |
| lakin | It'll just show you what's wrong with my app | 23:25 |
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| lcuk | lakin, sure it would | 23:25 |
| lakin | lcuk: is there a way to take a video using the device itself? | 23:25 |
| lcuk | if i can see how bad it is in yours i can have a quantative assessment of just how bad your tearing is | 23:26 |
| lakin | aaah | 23:26 |
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| lcuk | so is liqbase broken then? | 23:27 |
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| lakin | lcuk: what do you mean by is liqbase broken? It tears, yes, but from my understanding of the hardware this is to be expected | 23:32 |
| lakin | there simiply is not enough bandwidth to update the entire screen without tearing. | 23:32 |
| lcuk | lakin, there is a tiny sdl test app on here, http://liquid.googlepages.com/testfiles that was the closest I could get a bitmap to scroll using "normal" libraries. since you have a magic touch, make it work as smoothly as liqbase | 23:32 |
| lakin | what do you mean "since I have a magic touch? | 23:32 |
| lcuk | liqbase DOES get under the bandwidth window using YUV | 23:32 |
| lcuk | if your machine is busy though or something gets in the way of the transfer you can still get tearing | 23:33 |
| lcuk | you might know that the YUV format used by xv has a full resolution greyscale and half resolution chroma channels which ends up at less bandwidth than the 16bit format normally used | 23:34 |
| lakin | right, that makes sense | 23:34 |
| lakin | But it also has to be time properly | 23:35 |
| lcuk | not my job | 23:35 |
| lcuk | xv does whatever it does | 23:36 |
| lakin | timed properly, you have to start the update directly after a v-sync to 'beat' the next refresh. From my understanding the LCD doesn't give a v-sync, so xv (or SDL) can't time it properly | 23:36 |
| lakin | But all I've read are a bunch of mailing list posts, the people writing them could be wrong | 23:36 |
| lcuk | seems to work for me and for mplayer and for the built in media player | 23:36 |
| lakin | It's harder to see tearing in movies | 23:36 |
| lakin | But you're right, it definitely could me my device | 23:37 |
| lcuk | course it isnt, the sdl test up there tears and wobbles, liqbase is rocksteady | 23:37 |
| lcuk | i cant read books with the sdl prototype i made, i can and do with liqbase | 23:37 |
| lakin | How does it affect reading books? | 23:38 |
| lakin | I read books with the PDF reader on it all the time. | 23:38 |
| lakin | works great | 23:38 |
| lakin | The text isn't moving while I'm reading | 23:38 |
| lcuk | autoscrolling reader | 23:38 |
| lcuk | press [menu] whilst on a book | 23:39 |
| lakin | even choosing "Continue reading" the app just freezes for me | 23:40 |
| lcuk | do you wanna mail me the log ill have a look at whats goin on for you | 23:40 |
| lcuk | run it from the console its quite verbose | 23:41 |
| lakin | You mean for the freeze? | 23:41 |
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| lcuk | yeah, shouldnt lock up i go in and out of there every night | 23:42 |
| lakin | Maybe I don't have the newest version? | 23:42 |
| lcuk | what version have you got (it tells you on startup) | 23:42 |
| lakin | I installed the latest test deb: http://liqbase.net/up/liqbase_0.1.5_armel.deb | 23:43 |
| lcuk | yeah thats the last .deb built | 23:43 |
| lcuk | not had any probs tho, garage has later code, but no book related mods have been made (that i can remember anyway!) | 23:44 |
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| lakin | how do I tell if I'm running ondemand and the resolution? | 23:46 |
| lcuk | go into the options dialogs | 23:46 |
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| lcuk | one for resolution and one for cpu throttling | 23:46 |
| lakin | I'm running at 800*480 | 23:47 |
| lakin | ondemand | 23:47 |
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| lakin | on 640*480 - the tearing is lessened, but is still there. | 23:48 |
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| lcuk | i fail to see it, but at 640*480 the image is being scale blitted - its actually faster at 800*480 | 23:49 |
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| lakin | Sorry man, wish there was an easier way for me to demo it to you | 23:51 |
| lakin | It's quite obvious on my machine - perhaps my LCD has a faster refresh than yours? | 23:51 |
| lcuk | i still fail to see the problem, its a blit test - i didnt even know i could do color until i wrote that | 23:52 |
| lcuk | are you getting actual artifacts? | 23:52 |
| lcuk | cos you just mentioned at 800*480 - the software defaults to 640*480 because some users experience glitches when run for the first time after a reboot | 23:53 |
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| lcuk | (shutting down and reopening stopped them totally until reboot) | 23:54 |
| lcuk | so a workaround was just to lower res for default install | 23:54 |
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| lakin | It's a tear, I'm getting the top half of the image rendered in a different x,y position than the bottom half | 23:54 |
| lakin | which means that the edges of the photo within the photo are misaligned | 23:55 |
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| guysoft422 | hey, i had this idea. if i have a camera, that holds in its jpg header the time when photos were taken, and a gpx recording done with my nokia N810.. shouldn't i be able to cross the information and get geo-positioning of my photos? | 23:55 |
| lcuk | im panning over all 10 images and letting it scroll and im not seeing any breakage of ari's head! | 23:55 |
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| RST38h | is it a good thing? | 23:56 |
| lakin | *shrug* - it's very obvious on my machine | 23:56 |
| lcuk | well thats what im thinking | 23:56 |
| lcuk | no matter how fast i pan ari stays in one piece | 23:57 |
| lakin | Like, I said maybe my LCD refresh is fast enough that I get tearing, and your LCD refresh is slower | 23:57 |
| lcuk | what about on the graffiti wall | 23:57 |
| lcuk | can you break apart from sketches | 23:57 |
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| lakin | lcuk: the graffiti wall isn't moving | 23:59 |
| lcuk | sure it is | 23:59 |
| lcuk | you can scroll up and down it | 23:59 |
| * lcuk sets his going and watches it scroll kinetically for miles | 23:59 | |
| lakin | only if you have enough sketches | 23:59 |
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