IRC log of #maemo for Tuesday, 2009-04-14

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GeneralAntillesJaffa, that's going to be more fun than usual this time around, I think.00:35
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ShadowJKIt will be terrible if they announce more than one device00:52
ShadowJKor worse, several devices with a few months in between00:52
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lbtor a pink device00:53
lbtthat'd be bad00:53
lcuktracy would like the pink device00:53
lcukShadowJK, why would it be terrible though?00:53
lbttold you that'd be bad00:53
lbtwe'd all be bankrupt00:53
lbtand our GFs would nag us00:54
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lbt(never mind the wife!)00:54
lcukshoe shaped nokia lol00:54
jaskarubber boot?00:54
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jaskaah, just different kind of nokia00:55
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lcuki really like this sidebar!00:55
lbtyou mean #maemo?00:55
ShadowJKlcuk: I'm fearful of the usual nokia style of having a zillion devices in many formfactor, hw internals and software/feature combinations, but still none where everything you want is found in any of the devices00:55
lbthow much of the design would have been finalised pre-crunch?00:56
ShadowJKeh probably all of it00:56
lcukShadowJK, i would prefer multiple designs personally, its an aspect of linux that has fascinated me00:56
GeneralAntillesThat hardly has anything to do with Linux00:57
lcukgetting the same code working well on different platforms00:57
lcukits got everything to do with linux actually00:57
GeneralAntillesShadowJK, that's because you want things that can't exist. ;)00:57
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GeneralAntillesand your perfect device will be completely different from somebody else's perfect device.00:58
lcukGeneralAntilles, open code allows people to try to take your code and make it work elsewhere - we wouldnt have most of maemo itself if that were false00:58
GeneralAntillesThus, multiple devices each catering to a different use case.00:58
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GeneralAntilleslcuk, you can also make your own closed code work elsewhere.00:59
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ShadowJKno I mean things they do, or did, on the phone side. Like, want wlan and integrated voip? Then you're a business user and the E-series is for you, and of course as a business user you can't have music player keys or radio00:59
GeneralAntillesBesides, multiple devices aint going to mean multiple CPU archs.00:59
lcukhow do you know? mer is targetted at pretty much anything with a cpu00:59
GeneralAntillesWhat, the N95 doesn't do VoIP?00:59
lcukand qt is similar00:59
GeneralAntillesNokia isn't going to ship an x86 and an ARM device.01:00
GeneralAntillesand ARM-to-ARM is generally ABI compatible within the same generation.01:00
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ShadowJKN95 probably does :)01:01
qwerty12_N801it's a conspiracy because the autobuilder builds for both arm & x86! :p01:01
lcukwho said anything about nokia? i was talking about maemo :)01:01
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GeneralAntillesShadowJK, so, what's your point?01:01
GeneralAntilleslcuk, Maemo isn't going to be released on non-Nokia devices anytime soon.01:02
ShadowJKI want one fullfeatured device, not a whole series of devices castrated in differentiating and interesting ways :)01:03
ShadowJKah well01:04
GeneralAntillesSoftware is another issue entirely.01:06
GeneralAntillesUsing software to differentiate your products from one another is silly.01:06
GeneralAntillesBut the good news is, that's not really possible on Maemo.01:06
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lcukhiya fish \o01:29
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GeneralAntillesIRC: ls: command not found02:38
airtonarantesI've just finished the instalation of maemo SDK, I got but don't understood about nokia binaries, I must to put the lline of repository when the emulator is running?02:40
airtonarantesI'm using fedora02:40
airtonarantesthe nokia binaries is really necessary?02:41
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zakkmyo guys, is $140 USD a good price for my Nokia N800?04:56
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ShadowJKzakkm, if you're selling, yeah05:02
zakkmyeah selling05:02
zakkmsomeone just offered 14005:02
zakkmeverything i got with my nokia, and the f-f adapter but that was only $4 usd at the store05:02
ShadowJKI bought my N800 a couple of weeks ago for 90E, shipping and 4gig card included05:05
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zakkmselling it for 104 euro05:07
zakkm+ shipping05:08
zakkmi really want a n81005:09
* ShadowJK has both05:11
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zakkmcan i buy the 810 off you? :)05:11
zakkm104 euro? :)05:11
zakkmno sd card or nothing05:11
zakkmjust the tablet.05:11
ShadowJKno :)05:12
zakkmthink i should just wait with the money05:12
zakkmnext cool gadget, or wait till n900 and then buy the 810 cause price would drop05:12
zakkmor something05:12
ds3BAH build your own ;)05:13
zakkmif you ever get that beagle one of yours going well, ds3, i might be your first purchaser05:14
GeneralAntillesds3, psh, you don't even have a decent resolution screen. :P05:14
zakkmGA: you think $140 USD is worth it, to sell my nokia n800 for?05:14
GeneralAntillesI think the N800's likely to only get cheaper from here.05:15
zakkmsweet k05:15
zakkmtomorrow it gets shipped out ;p05:15
GeneralAntillesAlthough I suspect the N810 may spike a bit.05:15
zakkmits so expensive05:15
GeneralAntillesSupply is almost gone.05:16
zakkmwith all the netbooks around and such, i thought it would drop alot05:16
zakkmand ipods05:16
zakkmi remember seeing the nokia 770 back before it came out05:16
zakkmand im like woahhh i want one, ahh i dont have that kind of money05:16
zakkmi was 14 mind you05:17
ShadowJKI noticed on an online shop I frequently browse that it's selling shitloads of N81005:17
ShadowJKafter the price drop to 2xxE range05:17
zakkmds3: your on ?05:17
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zakkmi thought i heard somewhere that 810 was gonig to about same price as n800?05:27
ds3GeneralAntilles: find me a source for a decent resolution screen :P05:35
GeneralAntillesFor-parts N810s on eBay? :P05:35
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ds3I rather not touch ebay but I guess I can settle for that05:36
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GeneralAntillesIt seems odd that the only supplies I can find are in the UK.05:36
infobotGeneralAntilles meant: It seems odd that the only suppliers I can find are in the UK.05:36
GeneralAntillesAlthough I think there may be some N800 screens state-side.05:37
ds3and given that they are such nice screens05:37
ds3back to my search for a decent 7" screen05:37
ds3preferably one with a cap. touch screen on it05:38
GeneralAntillesMaybe the Sony screen in the RX-51 will be more available.05:38
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ShasieHi all, Is there any wokaround for bricked n8xx ?Perhaps cold flash ...05:39
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ds3is the Sony RX-51 screen suppose to be transreflective?05:39
GeneralAntillesds3, the part number isn't listed in any catalogs I've been able to dig up, but based on the serial number scheme Sony has on their website it should be.05:39
Shasie0x42 error code (write fail, conn timeout)... and now, even charging screen is never comes. Restarting always on nokia logo..05:42
ShasieI've read somewhere situation like this before ....05:44
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ShasieGeneralAntilles ...05:47
GeneralAntillesDon't know05:49
ShasieI think my initfs flash firmware is corrupt .. Or maybe something more low level. If that happened do you think i could have a chance ? Perhaps some cold-flash?05:53
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GeneralAntillesinitfs can be gone and you wouldn't need a cold flash05:54
GeneralAntillesthe only thing that requires a cold flash is if NOLO gets trashed05:54
GeneralAntillesand if it's showing the Nokia logo, I don't believe NOLO is trashed.05:54
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ShasieDo you ever tried cold flash or maybe someone succesful? And howto guide?05:55
GeneralAntillesYou need to build a serial cable.05:56
GeneralAntillesThat's the hard part.05:56
ShasieNolo detected by flasher but it may corrupted since even charging cant be done05:56
ShasieIts okay if it can be done ....05:59
GeneralAntillesCharging is handled by the initfs05:59
ShasieThen way cant i flash any images to my tablet ... How can i know if nolo is bad?06:01
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luke-jrGeneralAntilles: if the initfs handles charging, how can you charge it to reflash if the initfs is corrupt?06:28
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luke-jror does the NOLO flasher run off AC even w/o battery?06:28
GeneralAntillesPut the battery in another device or something.06:28
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flakeparadigmI've recently won an N810 off of ebay and I'm having difficulties with the GPS. yi[07:00
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flakeparadigmsorry about that07:02
flakeparadigmIt just worked, odd07:04
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tank-manthe internal gps unit on the n810 takes a while to get a lock on07:08
tank-manive heard a-gps helps get a faster lockon07:09
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ds3wonder how horrible it'd be to run a tablet off AA's07:15
ds34xAA's is the same order of power as a 2200mAH Li Ion cell07:16
ds3yeah... like why arent there any07:16
ds3AA's seems ideal for field use07:16
GeneralAntillesSize constraints, I guess?07:17
ds34AA'sis marginally ticker then the Li battery and a simplier charger can be used07:17
zakkmyeah but that would cost alot to recharge :)07:17
ds3cost a lot?07:17
zakkmi guess rechargable batteries07:17
ds3I am just thinking of 2-3 sets of 2500mAH NiMH's07:17
zakkmactually that would be sickk07:17
zakkmbattery dies, just switch batteries07:18
zakkmkeep a bunch of rechargables on me in my backpack07:18
ds3if the current Li Ion can do about 6 days of idle time, I can do almost a month a 4 sets07:18
zakkmthat would look bad of course, but perform amazingly07:18
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ds3and if it gets old, they are easy to replace unlike the Li Ion07:18
zakkmds3:  from a teenagers point of view, thats awesomee ;p07:18
GeneralAntillesThe BP-5L is about 40% of the thickness of an AA.07:19
ds3well... okay, a bit more then margininal07:19
ds340%? it seems more like 60%07:19
zakkmso fit it in somewhere nice07:19
GeneralAntillesCylinders are also space-ineffecient compared to a giant rectangle.07:19
zakkmds3: add a "external AA" battery pack07:19
GeneralAntillesAA or AAA?07:19
zakkmthat fits in perfectly..07:19
zakkmto the back07:19
GeneralAntillesBecause I'm holding an AA up to a BP-5L here and the BP-5L is about 40% of the thickness of the AA.07:20
ds3AAA's are about 900mAH each07:20
zakkmds3: you could have like 15 in backpack though.. battery dies you just switch07:20
zakkmactual power amount shouldnt amtter much07:20
GeneralAntillesPractically speaking, the advantages of having ubiquitous, easily replaceable powercells are moot for most users.07:20
zakkmand mer is suppose to help that alott07:20
ds3zakkm: by that line of reasoning, a million pack of CR2032s....07:21
ds3but I can see the point about cylinders being inefficient07:21
zakkmwho can afford that?07:21
ds3(volume wise)07:21
zakkmwho would do that?07:21
GeneralAntillesA normal NiMH's discharge rate is a problem, too.07:21
zakkmbut they are cheap07:21
GeneralAntillesds3, just buy yourself one of the USB battery packs.07:21
ds3for field use and for long term use, I'd think AA's are superior07:21
ds3GA: I have that... but that's another thing to charge07:22
GeneralAntillesJust buy 2 dozen eneloops and call it a day. ;)07:22
zakkmds3: is it possible, mind you i failed computer engineer , but can you do AA lets say... and have them charge like normal nokia charging.. but it charges the AA batteries, the way a normal niMH charger would?07:22
ds3I've done 3 day long train trips with those things and under heavy use, it is just annoying07:22
GeneralAntillesReally, I'd like to have a nice big capacitor that'd let you change batteries without having to shut down.07:23
GeneralAntillesOr fuel cells.07:23
GeneralAntillesOr maybe a little fission reactor.07:23
GeneralAntillesYeah, that.07:23
zakkmwhats wrong with my idea?07:23
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ds3fuel cells I can go for...esp. an ethanol based one07:23
ds3order a shot of vodka to recharge07:24
GeneralAntillesPortable power storage technology sucks right now.07:24
GeneralAntillesWe need some sort of big breakthrough so the awesomeness factor of mobile devices can go up.07:24
ds3yes but if you have ever used the old HP200's... the AA's are nice07:24
zakkmds3: that prototype all over the web of yours, just curious, how much did that cost to make?07:25
GeneralAntillesI had AAs in my MessagePad 210007:25
ds3zakkm: maybe $200ish.. and that includes parts to build about 3 units (less the screen+touch interface)07:25
zakkm$200 to build 3 of them?07:25
ds3maybe $80 of that is for postage07:25
ds3no, $200 but I ordered parts for 3 units07:26
ds3for 107:26
zakkmso like $600 total?07:26
ds3let me start over07:26
ds3I spent $200 but I have spare parts for 2 more units07:26
zakkmthats good :)07:26
ds3but a lot of that is for shipping07:27
ds3was in a hurry so I used 2nd day a lot07:27
zakkmcosted alot to get it shipped?07:27
zakkmdidnt the beagle board cost alot?07:27
ds3I wanted it done in time ffor a trade show07:27
ds3no, I was doing a talk at the trade show on the beagle so I got it part of the preparation for that07:28
fireunit would be handy, instead of worrying about spilling your drink on your laptop, spilling an alcoholic drink would make it MORE POWERFUL! BWAHA... er..07:29
zakkmds3: thats so cool :)07:29
ds3peoples say the case is ugly... but since I am not an artist...I donno what to do to make it less ungly07:30
zakkmthe thing does look ugly :P07:30
GeneralAntillesCleaning up the ports would help.07:30
zakkmit looks bubble wrapped07:30
zakkmits the concept / tech in it thats cool ;p07:30
ds3zakkm: the screen or?07:30
GeneralAntillesSome slightly less steampunk looking buttons, too.07:31
zakkmlooking at the thing07:31
GeneralAntillesMaybe round some edges.07:31
zakkmshould be steel or aluminum or something07:31
ds3GA: I intend to power the edges but I ran out of time :(07:31
GeneralAntillesMetal would be rather fun.07:31
ds3Okay, someone needs to explain to me what a less steam punk button is07:31
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ds3actually, aluminum would be easy to do, I just figure that would look too ugly07:32
zakkmim sure if you put some forum post, ppl would reply with concept photos of ideal cases07:32
GeneralAntillesMachined aluminum or something would be really nice.07:32
zakkmlike photoshoppedi mages07:32
zakkmthink of the n800 :P07:32
zakkmn810 would be too hard ;p07:32
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ds3my problem is I know how to make cases from almost any material but I lack the artistic side07:32
ds3n810 is doable07:32
GeneralAntillesPut a cap on the joystick07:32
ds3FWIW, the top peice looks bubble because I used textured ABS07:33
GeneralAntillesds3, if you give wazd some specs I'm quite certain he could mock up some case designs for you.07:33
ds3Hmmm I should find some spare PC caps to use on the joystic07:33
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GeneralAntillesReducing the bezel as much as possible will help.07:34
zakkmds3: make a forum post, show it.. and then ask for case designs, im sure tons of ppl will reply with their ideal case.. some might not work, but some may and ones that wont, would give you some idea07:34
ds3zakkm: do you know what is the policy/rule with forum posts? since I am officially commerical - not a device mfg but a consultant doing that as a demo07:35
ds3is asking about it in that context allowed?07:35
GeneralAntillesWhat forum?07:36
zakkmthinking itt07:36
zakkmwouldnt that be alloweed??07:36
ds3I am just erring on the safe side and not saying anything07:36
GeneralAntillesYeah, nobody would care. ;)07:36
zakkmds3: be on the safe side and call it a soon-to-be possibly mer device :)07:37
ds3let me finish a production version of the LCD interface first07:37
ds3then I'll get back to it... get Mer running, get Android running, and maybe something else07:37
GeneralAntillesThis would make a really cool hobby kit.07:37
zakkmor a very good commerical product :)07:38
zakkmseriously, mer device :)07:38
GeneralAntillesCommercially you gotta compete against stuff like the RX-51. ;)07:38
ds3not to brag but it seems Nokia is a bit over staff07:38
zakkmwhy cant it?07:38
ds3the beagle board - 3-4 guys at TI07:38
ds3the case + boards - just myself07:38
ds3what's the staff of Nokia working on all that stuff?07:38
GeneralAntillesYou think the tablet division is overstaffed? Look at the N-series teams. :P07:38
GeneralAntillesMore than one device. ;)07:39
ds3but their work pace is so slow07:39
zakkmthey have alot to consider, unlike in your case07:39
GeneralAntillesYeah, that's what you get when you size up that much.07:39
ds3and the end result is not 100% of what I want...07:39
GeneralAntillesYou sacrifice agility for stability and capability.07:39
ds3it is somewhat interesting taht you mentioned metal case... that would actually solve one of my problems if I were to fully commercialize it - FCC/CE testing is a lot easier with a metal case07:40
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GeneralAntillesIs it really?07:41
ds3full metal == complete faraday cage07:41
GeneralAntillesAh, right.07:41
ds3aluminum is actually so much easier to work with07:41
zakkmFCC? the thing drugs have to pass?07:41
ds3no, RF radiation07:42
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zakkmwow im dumb07:43
ds3but speaking in general terms, I would like to see more custom low volume stuff then the cookie cutter closed designs targeted at the masses (with all the compromises for the masses)07:43
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ds3hoping for some followers ;)07:43
zakkmds3: you could make many models :D07:43
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GeneralAntillesds3, why not manufacture and sell the cases and expansion boards?07:44
ds3zakkm: if I can find a decent 7-9" LCD, i want to do a full size tablet but it seems finding a suitable LCD is the hardest thing07:44
GeneralAntillesThen BYOB07:44
GeneralAntillesBring Your Own Beagle ;)07:44
ds3GeneralAntilles: not announcing anything at the moment but... :)07:44
zakkmi think you should sell them fully completed.07:45
ShasieWith all regulation outthere, it will be hard to get some product go to market07:45
GeneralAntillesWouldn't that do away with FCC issues?07:45
zakkmebay is your friend :)07:45
ds3A kit should07:45
zakkmif not, make it a simple kit :)07:45
GeneralAntillesA kit makes more sense to me.07:46
ds3but like I hinted before, I am not a mfg... I am a consultant07:46
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GeneralAntillesI just don't see a hobbyshop-style mobile device being really competitive with the big commercial vendors just yet.07:46
Shasiea kit will do okay07:46
ds3GeneralAntilles: what is missing?07:46
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GeneralAntillesThough, admittedly, the Pandora seems to be pulling it off.07:46
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zakkmif that thing, you get it to look nice07:47
zakkmmetal aluminum w.e07:47
GeneralAntillesAssume the naive bastards ever get it out the door.07:47
zakkmmer should support it i would think07:47
zakkmi really dont know, but i think they would07:47
ds3Pandora is cool but it is vaporware til it arrive07:47
GeneralAntillesds3, I guess I just don't see normal people buying them.07:47
GeneralAntillesBut, then again, as long as your volume isn't that high, there'll likely be enough hackers to.07:47
Shasiesenior experienced people is the ey of pandora07:47
Shasiebut tht is not a simple too.07:48
GeneralAntillesMer already supports the Beagle, there's not much more to it.07:48
GeneralAntillesSoftware isn't really the important part anyway.07:48
zakkmno, but im thinking mass volume here07:48
zakkmits all about design07:49
zakkmmer is expanding, its going to bee soo amazing07:49
zakkmyou get that thing looking nice, functions okay, i really do think it could mass volume07:49
zakkmnot 1,000s / 10,000s07:50
ShasieZakkm, sorry what is mer ?07:50
zakkmbut enough to reallyyy devote yourself to it, time an profit wise07:50
zakkmShasie: the recreation of maemo07:50
infobotmer is, like,
zakkmits just a bunch of people making a OS for thet tablet to "compete" with maemo07:51
zakkmcause the next version of maemo wont support the current tablets07:51
zakkmin shorttt07:51
zakkmcan run gnome, e17, kde .. whatever you want on it though07:51
zakkmunlike maemo where you cant07:51
GeneralAntillesNot accurate07:51
GeneralAntillesand not really the point07:51
zakkmi said in short lol07:51
GeneralAntillesIt's basically Ubuntu if you strip off Hildon.07:52
GeneralAntillesThe point is more to bring interesting Maemo technologies to other hardware.07:52
zakkmyeah but then you have to know what hildon and ubunut is07:52
GeneralAntillesand less to bring generic stuff to the tablets.07:52
zakkmits a whole new OS in short.. to do what maemo cant / wont07:52
GeneralAntillesIt's Maemo + Ubuntu07:52
ShasieOkay, great07:53
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ds3Mer is the future07:53
zakkmi see it as a whole new distro for the tablet ;p07:53
zakkmspent too much time in the past downloading desktop distros and such, and coming to a conclusion they're all the seame07:53
zakkmjust different settings and configs07:53
zakkmunless you get technical of course07:54
Macergood lord07:54
Macerthe xfiles movie is worse than the indiana jones movie07:54
zakkmwhy would you watch that :P07:54
* zakkm has never seen any indiana jones movie or any episode/movie of xfiles.07:54
zakkmohh wait does that simpsons xfiles ep count? :)07:54
GeneralAntillesGood lord07:55
zakkmds3: seriously though, native mer would be awesome07:55
zakkmds3: i would help in any way you need, i just cant support financially ( 18 yr old high school student, broke )07:56
Maceri mean omg07:56
Macerthis xfiles movie is horrible07:56
ds3zakkm: I will revisit that in a few weeks... need to do the logistics on the LCD interface first07:56
zakkmstop watchhing it07:56
Maceryeah.. i think i am07:57
Macerguess i will try babylon ad07:57
zakkmds3: should i make a itt post for design mockups?07:57
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ds3zakkm: your choice... i won't be able to get to it immediately07:57
zakkmds3: did you see your on umpcportal?07:58
ds3zakkm: yeah.. I subscribe their RSS feeed07:59
ds3lots of cool stuff on umpcportal but they are just too Windows centric07:59
zakkmthats the market :P07:59
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ds3prehaps.... but the stuff chippy does is different from the real mass market08:00
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zakkmhow is it currently powered?08:01
zakkmds3: just a thought, transparentt case08:01
ds3my thing is Li Ion/AC power but I don't have the Li Ion installed for pictures08:01
zakkmthis would be a hobby thing right, transparent case would be cool to hobbyists i would think08:02
ds3zakkm: nice idea but you need to give me a real good reason for that... transparent plastic is a pain to deal with (scratches, poor machining characteristics, etc008:02
zakkmalot of people prefer it, i know so many ppl with transparent cases for portable stuff08:03
GeneralAntillesTransparent is ugly.08:03
zakkmwhat is it , 80 hour project?08:03
zakkmyou finish it, you cant show it08:03
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ds3it is easy enough to do it entirely in polycarb but making sure it isn't scratched is a pain08:04
zakkmjust a thoughtt08:04
ds3*nod* just pointing out the fabrication issues08:04
ds3I suppose acrylic and laser or waterjet might do better08:05
zakkmis it possible to make the screen everything?08:05
LopLiiii have liion, aa batery packs for my 770 with "custom" shape (handmade fabrication)  :)08:05
ds3not with the 4.3" screen, the Beagle is too big08:05
zakkmlike no buttons on side08:05
zakkmalso you know blackberries right08:06
zakkmold style i think now.. at the side it has like a scrollwheel08:06
zakkmcouldnt that work?08:06
ds3just a matter of LCD size08:06
zakkmup and down.. press it it does some button08:06
zakkmno like coming out side08:06
zakkmlike sd card comeso ut of top08:06
ds3I have one of those buttons on there08:07
zakkmthe scroll thing would come out of side08:07
LopLiiiwhat is being talked, somekind of hack ??08:07
zakkmLopLiii: ds3 is making his own "Nokia n800"08:07
LopLiiiwow !!!08:07
zakkmout of a beagle board and whatnot08:07
ds3otherwise known as tired of dealing with the non-open parts of the N800 ;)08:07
GeneralAntillesds3, more specifically?08:08
zakkmds3: should be happy to know, im selling my n800 tomorrow :)08:08
LopLiiinokia is never "open" :)08:08
zakkmfirst good prototyope of yours, im buying it :p08:08
ds3GeneralAntilles: the RETU chip I think?08:08
GeneralAntillesLopLiii, clearly that's not accurate or else we wouldn't be here.08:08
GeneralAntillesds3, ah, yes.08:08
zakkmds3: is touchscreen hard ?08:10
ds3zakkm: hard to do or are you asking if it is a hard surface?08:11
LopLiiii mean will never 100% open :)08:11
GeneralAntillesds3, ha! Took the words out of my mouth. :P08:11
zakkmif i hand you one right now, is it hard to plug in/ get working?08:11
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ds3nope, the touch screen was almost trivial08:11
ds3the golden thing right now is to do a cap. touch screen... now that would bard - in both sense08:12
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zakkmlook is so much :P08:12
ds3problem with cap touch screen is almost no one off the shelf screens08:13
zakkmds3: ever thought of doing it the other way?08:13
LopLiiigeneralantilles, have u ever seen johnx lately?08:13
zakkmportrait vs landscape08:13
GeneralAntillesLopLiii, yesterday.08:14
GeneralAntillesCapacitive seems rather pointless.08:14
GeneralAntillesYou give up too much functionality08:14
ds3zakkm: no reason why it couldn't be done... I have an accelerometer that I didn't get tim to install08:14
GeneralAntillesand if it's not a flush face screen. . . .08:14
ds3you can do anything with a cap touch as resistive08:14
ds3and a cap touch can be done on polycarbonate; thus making it truely impact resistant08:15
GeneralAntillesYou can't draw on a resistive touchscreen.08:15
GeneralAntillesNor can you handwrite.08:15
ds3actually, I think you can08:16
zakkm <-- material?08:16
GeneralAntillesEven if you get a special stylus, the capacitive just isn't accurate enough.08:16
GeneralAntillesNo, you can't. ;)08:16
ds3just need a stylus08:16
GeneralAntillesIt's not accurate enough.08:16
ds3depends on the electronics08:16
GeneralAntillesResistive is really the better all-around solution.08:16
zakkmi dont get why ppl want the pandora08:17
ds3I manage to physically gouge my first palm pilot so...08:17
GeneralAntillesBut I can understand gouging where Palm OS is involved. ;)08:18
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zakkm <-- if only you could get it looking like that :D08:18
ds3well, I wish I can say that but this was simply an accidental brush off a desktop and having it hit the corner of an open file cabinet08:18
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GeneralAntillesI had a desklamp come down one a Viewsonic 15" one time.08:19
ds3so you see why I would much rather have a cap screen08:19
ds3zakkm: how big is that LCD?08:19
infobotGeneralAntilles meant: I had a desklamp come down on a Viewsonic 15" one time.08:19
zakkm <-- doesnt think look like maemo lolllll08:19
GeneralAntillesDurability is a factor, but usability trumps it for me.08:19
zakkmthat is so maemo08:19
zakkmcheck that out08:19
GeneralAntillesThose Chinese are so silly.08:20
zakkmthats so maemo lol08:20
zakkmi like that though08:20
zakkmat left side under "apps" is the time08:20
zakkmnice and small08:20
zakkm <-- is the main article of it08:21
zakkm Other specs on the H9 include built-in speakers, microphone & headphone jacks, 128MB of SDRAM, 64MB ROM, and a 520MHz Intel PXA270 processor08:21
ds3bah 7"08:21
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zakkmim looking for designs and that came up08:22
ds3that is not hard to do08:22
zakkmthought i should share heh08:22
ds37" is not a challenge08:22
zakkm7" would be kool08:24
zakkmstill pocketsize is it?08:24
GeneralAntillesNot even close.08:24
ds3you wear cargo pants? cuz my pockets isn't that big08:24
zakkmdo hope to own one of these one day08:24
zakkmyeah i wear cargos :)08:24
zakkmi lovee pocketts08:24
zakkmmy backpack has like 16 pockets :D08:24
ds3nice thing about a 7" LCD design is there is room for AA batteries ;)08:25
zakkmgotta watch weight.08:25
ds3have you seen the guts of the Touchbook?08:26
ds3there isn't much to it08:26
zakkmoh that08:26
GeneralAntillesBeagle Board with some sort of protrusion.08:26
zakkmugly ;p08:26
zakkmwait, is it a tablet?08:27
ds3tablet with a keyboard/support plug in08:27
zakkmah dont want to think about spending more money heh08:27
zakkmbut you could compete with it08:27
zakkmhonestly all i think you need is a better design / look.. and proper battery08:28
zakkmand LCD.08:28
ds3just trying to picture carrying something like that08:30
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zakkmtouchbook or your thing?08:30
ds3in essence, a 7" LCD tablet is going to be like the top half of a EeePC 70108:30
zakkmthats why i think you should consider screen taking whole thing, and just a bit for thumb holding08:31
ds3I am trying to figure out whywould I want a touchbook08:31
zakkmso you can get a good grip08:31
ds37" diag is too wide for a grip08:31
zakkmyou use both hands on a tablet?08:32
zakkmyou use your nokia with one hand?08:32
ds3yes, I do use the Nokia with one hand08:32
GeneralAntillesMostly for the ARM netbook, I'd say.08:32
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zakkmi cant do that08:32
zakkmi might have small hands mind you08:32
ds3just old one side of it08:32
GeneralAntillesI was laughing of the picture of the guy typing on the CrunchPad vkb.08:32
GeneralAntillesRidiculously awkward.08:33
zakkmi cant do it08:33
zakkmuse my n800 with one hand08:33
zakkmim trying now08:33
ds3I wish the 5way on the N800 is setup differently... right now it is more of an impediment to using the N800 with 1 hand08:33
ds3I just on coming back to 7" is too small for a tablet08:34
zakkm2 hand vs one you shouldnt worry about08:34
zakkmits res, not size that matters imo08:34
ds3I am thinking of something portrait orientedlike a clipboard08:34
ds37" is too small to rest on the arm/wrist08:34
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zakkmyou guys dont use your lap?08:35
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ds3hard to use the lap when one is standing08:35
zakkm7" is big but ppl do great with laptops08:35
zakkmyou cant use a laptop standing?08:35
ds3nope. unless it is a EeePC08:36
ds3then I hold it more like a giant HP200LX08:36
zakkmgotta consider that once you goto 7" , you have alott of room08:36
zakkmwhat about 5 or 6 inch?08:36
ds35" might be interesting08:36
ds3esp. if it is a wide screen08:37
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zakkmit would also be cheaper, having smaller screen08:37
zakkmthough i dont think theres anything wrong with 4'3"08:37
ds3if you are ordering straight from mfg, sure... but pricing gets weird if you go on the secondary market08:38
zakkmthe nokia n800/810 has alott of space around the screen08:38
zakkmyou wouldnt.08:38
zakkmpossibly speaking of course08:38
zakkmhey theorically speaking, would fremantle work on it?08:39
zakkmconsidering its a omap3520 and all?08:39
zakkmillegally speaking of course08:39
ds3probally not08:39
ds3I'd expect it to want the RETU or equiv. chip if it had it08:39
zakkmwas just thinking the alpha works on beagle board and such08:40
zakkmalthough it would change for final08:40
ds3alpha did? hmmm08:40
zakkmdidnt it?08:40
GeneralAntillesYou can strip out the Nokia-specific stuff08:41
GeneralAntillesand that'd be OMAP353008:41
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zakkmwould be illegal though so, i was just curious myself08:42
ds3stripping out the nokia specific stuff was uh.. interesting... on the N800 releases08:42
zakkmwould it be cheaper to bulkbuy beagle boards?08:42
GeneralAntillesThere's a lot less of it now08:43
GeneralAntillesBesides, Maemo SW people are working on making Maemo work on the Beagle.08:43
zakkmso the future ds3 project could run fremantle then?08:44
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GeneralAntilles3rd party stuff would be the only "illegal" part.08:44
GeneralAntillesI don't think Nokia specifies anything about the hardware you run it on in their EULA.08:44
zakkmds3: woohh :)08:45
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zakkmcould become a good maemo/mer alternate :P08:46
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zakkmwatching the fremantle youtube video08:46
zakkmlooks so cool08:46
zakkmso omap3530 will be alot more powerful?08:48
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zakkmcurrent n80008:48
GeneralAntillesAbout 2-3x for most things.08:49
GeneralAntillesPlus the PowerVR and more powerful DSP08:49
zakkmthinking for future, like i want to be able to do youtube and such08:49
zakkmand that couldnt play ;p08:49
zakkmand just normal surfing and multitasking08:49
GeneralAntillesYouTube plays on the N800.08:49
zakkmit wasnt enough.08:49
zakkmnot well08:49
zakkmand i use other flash sites08:49
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zakkmmegavideo and such, which is more bloated08:50
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* RST38h moos evilly09:39
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thuxRST38h: dobroe utro09:40
RST38h"A South Korean blogger named Park Dae-sung has been arrested and charged with destabilizing foreign markets by blogging about declining companies. This is the same blogger who predicted the economic downturn that has been experienced the world over." <--- Argh, they framed the Nostradamus 2.0! =)09:41
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sp3000For any and all steps existing in a parallel universe, follow as directed and add beard.10:52
JaffaMorning, all10:53
JaffaInteresting comments from mvo on #3845 about diablo updates10:54
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RST38hSts: hehe =)10:55
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StskeepsJaffa: that was the kinda thing i hoped was possibe10:57
Stskeeps(i'm not personally going to contribute to that but it seems easy enough to do if we get qgil and mvo in on it.)10:58
* RST38h is going to sacrifice a hamster to the Tentacled One and ask him to make this true10:59
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StskeepsJaffa: also, we can always make .install for Extras include maemo-community-archive-keyring.11:03
Stskeepsas in, it installs it.11:03
Stskeepsthat'd solve the SSU problem.11:03
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fish_are there any news about the next maemo gen? maemo 5 / fremantle? i'm thinking about getting a android G1 or wait for maemo5..11:04
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RST38hfish: supposed released date is end of this year11:06
Stskeepsheh, i wouldn't get a g1, it's locked down11:06
GeneralAntillesRST38h, I don't buy that in the least.11:07
fish_Stskeeps: well, you can root it easily or get a dev-phone which is pretty open out the box11:07
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fish_Stskeeps: i admit thats way more closed than a openmoko, but thats the same for the internet tablets11:08
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fish_Stskeeps: the dev-phone does not enforce any drm or limitations, but therer are some propritary binary blobs, mostly for drivers (--> which is the same on maemo)11:08
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Stskeepsfish_: and dev-phone requires developer fee, etc, and the dev phone doesn't allow you to install apps..11:10
glassfish: but end users are not to be expected to have hacked phones11:11
Stskeepsat least, commercial ones11:11
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fish_Stskeeps: nope, afaik thats wrong11:11
Stskeepsinternet tablets are open, i can install any OS i want11:11
glassyou're supposed to be able to root it's. you're not supposed to be able to root end user androids11:12
Stskeepsand relying on that you can 'rootme' is kinda crap for a G1 :)11:12
glassand thats a big difference11:12
RST38hGeneral: I suspect they will TRY releasing by Christmas time11:12
GeneralAntillesJaffa, I don't think it's worth it to put the effort into more than a single update, but if we could get that last set of fixes out the door. . . .11:12
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GeneralAntillesRST38h, 7 months between beta and release? Bullshit.11:12
RST38hGeneral: It looks like a reasonable date both because of Christams and because of the distance from n810 release11:12
GeneralAntilles2 years?11:12
RST38hGeneral: Yea, I said TRY :)11:12
GeneralAntillesThat's not the least bit reasonable.11:13
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RST38hGeneral: Still they are probabyl targeting Christmas and will miss that11:13
GeneralAntillesFremantle is ~+6 months single Elephanta was dropped.11:13
RST38hThe traditional clusterfuck style11:13
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Stskeepsi think they're targetting semester start really11:13
GeneralAntillesFremantle _would've_ been on track for December 2009.11:13
RST38hhmm why?11:13
GeneralAntillesBut they moved it up by dropping Elephanta.11:13
GeneralAntillesA Christmas release is just silly.11:13
GeneralAntillesThe N810 is already out of production.11:14
GeneralAntillesGoing 8 or 9 months without selling tablets would be insanity.11:14
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RST38hGeneral: Do you believe they will release EARLIER than Christmas?11:14
GeneralAntillesMy money is still on a Summer release.11:15
RST38hLike June/July, as initially promised?11:15
GeneralAntillesNothing's been promised.11:15
GeneralAntillesThe only thing resembling a release date we have is a rumor from the internet.11:15
* Pavlov wonders what the internet rumor is11:15
RST38hPavlov: End of 2009 for release11:15
RST38hNot official by any means11:16
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fish_Stskeeps: the dev-phone is open as much as the internet tablet11:16
GeneralAntillesfish_, I call BS on that one.11:16
fish_Stskeeps: you can install every OS on the G111:16
Stskeepsfish_: fair enough, but also quite more expensive11:16
glassfish: it's _dev_ phone, and thats why they have ridiculous shipping fee and it's not a supposed end user device11:16
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Stskeepsfish_: in either case, i'm looking forward to rx-5111:17
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fish_glass: of course its not that open, and your right: for the end user its more closed than a maemo (aka: your not supposed to get root access)11:19
fish_glass: but for me there is not much difference between an internet tablet and a G1 dev phone11:20
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Stskeepshave anyone actually successfully put another OS on the G1's? the debian on top of android chroot doesn't count11:20
Stskeeps / ADP1's11:21
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fish_Stskeeps: yep, maemo afaik11:21
fish_Stskeeps: err11:21
fish_Stskeeps: openmok11:21
* Jaffa is still optimistic for a summer release - maybe RX-51 first, with RX-71 coming later (late 3Q/early 4Q)11:21
Stskeepsfish_: ah, should direct solca to that11:22
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Stskeepswouldn't be bad to have Mer on  it11:23
fish_Stskeeps: whats closed about the G1 afaik is 'just' the hardware. if you can life without drivers for stuff like bluetooth (or reverse engineer your own) you can run 100% FOSS on it11:23
fish_(but thats just afaik, i talked with some guy last weekend about that)11:24
Stskeepsfish_: ah, i'm not a gnubie. i can live with firmware.11:24
Stskeepsbesides that, i can't find openmoko on g1/adp1, only talk of it and android running on freerunner11:25
fish_anyway: the most important reason why i'm thinking about getting a G1 is: there is no other linux based phone which actually work11:25
RST38hJaffa: What if RX-71 is really a phone? :)11:25
GeneralAntillesThere are lots of Linux-based phones which work fine.11:25
GeneralAntillesAsk Motorola.11:25
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Stskeepsfish_: the initial thought of android and g1 and such was good but i think they screwed up royally somewhere along the way11:26
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fish_Stskeeps: i thought the same until i talked with some smart guys who owns a G1 and played with it11:27
Stskeeps(where does the term screwing up royally come from? UK?)11:27
fish_Stskeeps: now i think its a pretty good approach. even if i really dont like java...11:27
Stskeepsoh, i think android has a good idea and interesting UI, but they're really doing some nasty things with development, SDK licensing, etc :P11:28
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Stskeepsand keeping things behind closed gates11:29
fish_Stskeeps: the licence is gpl2 + apache11:30
Stskeepsand they have the same problem as Maemo. New API, no room for old11:30
Stskeepssure, but it doesn't matter when you only do public code drops once in a while11:30
Stskeepsno open development11:30
Stskeepswith some marketing exceptions, maemo is surprisingly open in that area - i can follow SVN easily11:31
fish_well, there is a git repos at
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svu_alterego, ping?11:38
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* RST38h would rather not ask Motorola about Linux phones, given how Motorola phones work11:44
Stskeepsi tried a motorola phone once and wanted to smash it against the ground11:45
thuxi think many phones have bad hardware11:47
thuxlike ngage qd which supposed to be game phone11:47
Stskeepshehe, i think nokia rather want to forget about ngage :)11:47
floriangood morning11:48
thuxhehe probably11:48
Pavlovsidetalking is the best11:48
aquatixStskeeps: yep, ovi games is the future ;)11:48
thuxyes design was good11:49
Pavlovand by best i mean worst11:49
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thuxi liked it cause it doesn't looked like phone11:50
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aquatixat least it was original11:51
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thuxbut rebooting all the time was bad11:51
thuxhow slow was it 100mhz or something?11:52
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qwerty12You could overclock it by 40Mhz...11:53
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lcukgood morning \o12:28
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lcuklbt, as the self appointed qt tester and all round nice guy (hehe) would you do me a favour and test this little scrolling program in qt12:29
lcuk (hehe)12:29
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RST38hhey lcuk12:30
lcukhiya rst \o12:30
lcukqwerty12, i know you have seen it, so if you could get it tested (or bug david some more today lol)12:31
qwerty12Test the spped?12:31
infobotqwerty12 meant: Test the speed?12:31
qwerty12I have no camera available to me either.12:32
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lcukqwerty, is it smooth, could you read by it, etc12:33
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qwerty12Not sure if I have the PyQT bindings installed, lemme check12:33
lcukeven without a camera if alternatives come up that are viable its a good thing (TM)12:33
lcukill check back in a bit, was just curious when i saw the mail12:34
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qwerty12lcuk: it's pretty decent. I could read using it for sure. But the CPU meter does go up to max when scrolling. And it does stop every two seconds but that seems to be intentional by the way I keep having "go" printed on my console output.12:43
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lcukqwerty12, did it wobble, would you get a headache trying to autoscroll it?12:46
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qwerty12lcuk: it does wobble and would I get a headache? Probably because it's black text on white background.12:49
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qwerty12Not perfect, though12:49
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lbtuses 9Mb of space, that's a bit big don't you think!12:52
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* lbt is still not happy with bluesubaru ;)12:53
lbtworks on the PC12:53
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qwerty12lbt: give him your GTK version to finish ;P12:54
lbtgood idea ;)12:55
lbtlcuk - it works12:55
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lcukqwerty12, i created the first versions of the reader using sdl (since gtk obviously wasnt upto it) and it had a flickery horriblness that igot rid of in liqbase13:17
lcukthanks for testing though, its good to know it can at least work ;)13:17
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lcuklbt \o/ brutal, i bet its silky smooth on pc, or are there perf issues there13:17
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lbtno, it's fine really13:18
lcuklol i know, i just see people in #qt still have perf issues on their super computers13:18
lbt5 secs to launch and uses 50% cpu13:19
lcukthough usually its along the lines of "im trying to show 29 movies in tiles on the screen, why isnt it working"13:19
lcukon tablet?13:19
lcukheh cool13:19
lbt2nd launch - 1st was 9 secs (python cache?)13:19
lcukmost likely, is the python interface full qt?13:20
lbtit's a 1st-cut hack isn't it13:20
lcukor just a subset?13:20
lbtas such it's great13:20
lbtI'm sure it could be optimised and the C++ wouldn't be much bigger13:20
lcukthe problem ive got isnt that its good with simple stuff (liqbase modules are now hackable in a few minutes) its that its slick13:21
lbtplus it could be done as a full html text-widget using rotate13:21
lcuki dont think it can - its the actual screen itself thats more of the problem i fear13:21
lcukill bbl anyway, tis hectic here13:22
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Jaffadisq: you OK?13:53
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JaffaOr, to put it another way, can you stop now?13:53
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GeneralAntillesWonder what this means.
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lcukjaffa, identity crisis lol13:58
CorsacGeneralAntilles: no webkit for freemantle?13:59
lcukGeneralAntilles, i dunno, sounds curious, its either development EUREKA moment, or a "OMGWTFBBQ why didnt we notice this before"13:59
GeneralAntillesCorsac, "freemante"? and what WebKit?14:00
infobotGeneralAntilles meant: Corsac, "freemantle"? and what WebKit?14:00
lcukmer should be renamed freemantle ;)14:00
lcuksince its got most of the stuff lol14:00
GeneralAntillesIt could go either way.14:00
lcukyeah gen, i think we will have to wait and see14:01
CorsacGeneralAntilles: I meant, the next maemo OS browser won't be webkit based?14:01
* lcuk hopes personally its a eureka moment (i like it when they happen in my code)14:01
GeneralAntillesCorsac, why would it be?14:01
GeneralAntillesAnyway, no, it wont.14:02
GeneralAntillesGecko-based, as usual.14:02
Jaffalcuk: like "Oooh, we can just ship Firefox with some extensions since OMAP3 can handle it"?14:02
CorsacI don't know, it'd have been nice :)14:02
lcukjaffa, thats a facepalm moment14:02
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GeneralAntillesJaffa, let's hope the hell not.14:03
airtonarantesHello folks, I'm using ubuntu to set my maemo environment. After I've just finished with scratchbox instalation, I'm not understandind what to do about persmisions. when I'm going to install the maemo sdk installer I get a message like this:
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Corsacairtonarantes: adduser airton sbox; newgrp sbox14:04
Corsacand then re-run the install14:04
Corsacyou are not in the sbox group, that's what it tells you14:05
airtonarantesCorsac, I'll try out14:05
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airtonarantesCorsac, It's a bit weird, because it allows to add an user to sbox even if the sbox group doesn't exist. But is very fine, thanks14:11
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Corsacare you sure it doesn't exist?14:11
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airtonarantesCorsac, I needed to create a sbox group, but the shell were allowing to run adduser in a group that there isn't14:14
GeneralAntillesX-Fade, ping?14:15
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airtonarantesCorsac, thanks, the instalation is running now.14:16
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lcukapt-get install bacon-sandwich14:24
qwerty12You forgot sudo14:24
lcukapt-get install bacon-sandwich-sudo14:25
lcuktho it doesnt effect the taste lol14:25
lcukGeneralAntilles, for copenhagen could we have tshirts please - i dont want mozilla ppl walking around with proper t's and us with nothing14:26
RST38hMeanwhile in .JP:
lcukheh yeah rst i read that earlier14:27
RST38hlcuk: apt-get upgrade bacon-sandwich-sudo !14:27
lcuktis tragic!14:27
Stskeepslcuk: else we'll walk topless in protest!14:27
GeneralAntilleslcuk, we just need somebody to go get a quote and Nokia'll hand over the cash.14:27
RST38hlcuk: Can we please have a fungus that affects golfers?14:27
GeneralAntillesWhere are the cheapest t-shirt printers located?14:27
lcukthe somebody is a member of the council14:27
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GeneralAntillesI say we make X-Fade do it. :P14:27
lcukNOT the cheapest - im sorry but a flimsy paper shirt wont cut it14:27
X-FadeNo way!14:27
GeneralAntilleslcuk, cheapest was the wrong term14:27
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GeneralAntillesX-Fade only shows up to decline work these days. :P14:28
RST38hGeneral: You are at a university, right?14:28
GeneralAntillesTim probably knows some people.14:28
GeneralAntillesRST38h, yeah.14:28
X-FadeGeneralAntilles: I monitor this channel.. but you don't talk of exciting stuff lately ;)14:28
RST38hGeneral: There should be at least ONE place close to campus that prints tshirts then14:29
RST38hMost likely more than one14:29
GeneralAntillesX-Fade, how about package categories?14:29
GeneralAntillesI've got a proposal.14:29
GeneralAntillesRST38h, there are lots of places all over the place that print t-shirts.14:29
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GeneralAntillesFinding one is the easy part.14:29
StskeepsGeneralAntilles: saw my suggestion about the keyring in maemo-extras.install?14:29
GeneralAntillesFinding one that prints good stuff for reasonable prices and is located close enough to the meetup is the issuee.14:30
GeneralAntillesStskeeps, I think so.14:30
GeneralAntillesX-Fade, I say we just pick a date for the changeover and do it.14:30
GeneralAntillesWhether or not Nokia wants to actually support us.14:31
StskeepsGeneralAntilles: and mvo's suggestion on the bug?14:31
GeneralAntillesStskeeps, I say we start by looking at the unreleased Diablo codebases.14:31
JaffaGeneralAntilles: let's not unilaterally piss off Nokia just because they've pissed us off.14:31
GeneralAntillesJaffa, they clearly don't care.14:31
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GeneralAntillesI mean, the package categories couldn't look much worse than they do now.14:32
RST38hGeneral: Oh, you want it to actually be in Europe...14:32
GeneralAntillesAnything's an improvement at this point.14:32
JaffaGeneralAntilles: They might if we start signing things/changing the keys and they get support calls; don't want to jeopardise any default install of extras14:32
GeneralAntillesRST38h, well, you've got to factor in the cost of either shipping it or sending it over with somebody.14:32
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JaffaGeneralAntilles: indeed, I agree - but getting a notional nod from qgil before forcing an update out would be good14:33
GeneralAntillesJaffa, er, I'm just talking about implementing the new package categories.14:33
GeneralAntillesNothing about updates.14:33
RST38hIf at least one guy travels there from the US, simply mail stuff to him14:33
GeneralAntillesautobuilder and policy changes.14:33
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GeneralAntillesStart poking maintainers to transition.14:33
JaffaGeneralAntilles: Oh, not about pushing out the App Mgr update?14:33
GeneralAntillesJaffa, right.14:33
lcukuse cheapo-dhl and get an airdrop!14:33
JaffaThe point of the app mgr update is that we don't piss off developers to improve the users' experience14:34
lcukhundreds of tshirts descending from space with maemo on em :D14:34
GeneralAntillesI wanted to wait on Nokia to push the patches before we started transitioning to the new categories, but since that isn't happening. . . .14:34
RST38hlcuk: I am ok if this happens with n810 hardware =)14:34
X-FadeGeneralAntilles: I think we need to assume that we don't get any updates for diablo at this point.14:35
JaffaGeneralAntilles: suggesting to devs, and warnings on uploaded packages, if it doesn't match a section is sensible whenever we do it. Rejecting packages seems harsh when there's a patch to solve it at the UI level.14:35
X-FadeGeneralAntilles: And thus see what we can do on our end.14:35
GeneralAntillesAh, well, the MicroB thing is good, apparently.14:35
GeneralAntillesX-Fade, yes, that's become abundantly clear.14:35
X-FadeJaffa: We could force them to Other.14:35
GeneralAntillesJaffa, wasn't proposing rejecting.14:36
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GeneralAntillesJaffa, I was just holding off the spam storm to maintainers until we had the pretty new categories.14:36
JaffaGeneralAntilles: just ensuring that we don't reject14:36
JaffaX-Fade: there will be howls from some quarters about changing an uploaded source package at the auto-builder.14:36
GeneralAntillesYeah, bad plan.14:37
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GeneralAntillesNeed to talk to Jeremiah, but let's say we start poking maintainers at the beginning of May?14:37
X-FadeJaffa: Well, we're not actually changing the package. Just post-processing the Packages file ;)14:37
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JaffaX-Fade: hmm :)14:38
JaffaIntroduce warnings ASAP, start actively poking in May - that should give enough time to investigate mvo's suggestion at
GeneralAntillesIf we're going to start a spam storm, think we should do a little package auditing while we're at it?14:40
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JaffaGeneralAntilles: eg?14:42
GeneralAntillesJaffa, come up with a checklist and do a manual review of everything in Extras? Or some variation thereof.14:42
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JaffaGeneralAntilles: interesting14:47
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GeneralAntillesJaffa, not being much of a packager myself, I can't say whether this would be a useful endeavor (or what, exactly, to check for) but it sounds good. ;)14:48
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GeneralAntillesAlso: a pain in the ass.14:51
GeneralAntillesBut hopefully worth it.14:51
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cosmoanyone know if it's possible to write maemo panel applets with Qt instead of GTK?14:53
lcuksince the desktop app itself is gtk it might prove a bit tricky14:54
lcukbut its possibly feasible if you can wire everything up14:54
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keesj_cosmo: in the current setup no because it14:57
keesj_'s a single process thingy14:57
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keesj_there is some trick to do them in python14:57
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keesj_in the next-gen it will be possible14:58
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cosmoairtonarantes: i don't find any mention about panel applets in that14:58
cosmolooks like i'll have to settle to GTK then. Qt could be more future-proof though..14:59
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cosmoon desktop Qt and GTK applets live nicely together, but afaik maemo's panel is different15:00
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ShadowJKhmmm... QT and GTK resident at the same time.. .and all the other stuff.... the ram upgrade is going to be consumed instantly, and a bit more :)15:03
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aquatixmaybe there's a preferences: Enable: [x] GTK [ ] QT15:08
ShadowJKhardly :)15:09
keesj_ShadowJK: it was the same back then in the early day's of the linux desktops15:09
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ShadowJKkeesj_, and still is15:09
ShadowJKit's just that you can fit near-adequate levels of memory in consumer desktops these days15:09
aquatix8 gigs for the win ;)15:10
aquatixand all that to run skype15:10
lcukhello keesj_ \o you have been a bit dark all week.  hows life15:10
aquatixwhich runs better on my n810 anyway15:10
* RST38h wonders what will happen with RAM on RX-5115:10
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aquatixRST38h: the amount? or the usage?15:11
lcukhopefully it will be more15:11
keesj_the war is over for me "wmii + xterm + screen" are my winners, + kde (okular amarok and skype)15:11
* aquatix hopes for a nice upgrade15:11
RST38hIf RX-51 is going to use the same 128kB RAM, with both Qt and GTK resident, + Cutter....15:11
ShadowJKRST38h, 128 would be idiotic, 256 would be max15:11
RST38haquatix: amount15:11
keesj_lcuk: been climbing in fontainebleau15:11
Stskeeps256 + internal sd swap15:11
lcuk:O success?15:11
ShadowJKswap is so slow :(15:11
ShadowJKmaybe with a microdrive15:11
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ShadowJKinstead of sd15:11
RST38hShadow: Somebody (General?) once said there the 128MB RAM + 256MB ROM arrangement is dictated by the Samsung chip availble15:12
RST38hShadow: And there is no combined chip for 256+25615:12
lcukwheres  pics? :D15:12
ShadowJKWhat's the arrangement in N810 though? 128+256+2048 in one chip?15:12
RST38h128+256 on a single samsung chip afaik15:12
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lcuki dont ever touch my 2048 if i can help it15:13
* ShadowJK vaguely recalls someone saying the 256M flash and 2gig flash lived in same chip15:13
* aquatix wouldn't mind a 256MB+512MB arrangement ;)15:13
aquatixor twice that15:13
GeneralAntillesRST38h, that was months ago.15:13
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lcuksod it, just give us proper memory slot in the back15:13
GeneralAntillesThe Beagle's using 256MB+256MB now.15:13
lcuk2 or even4 slots for proper desktop mem15:13
keesjlcuk: none suitable for display15:14
GeneralAntillesShadowJK, they don't.15:14
ShadowJKSupposedly "user data" is going to live on some internal mmc/sd instead of internal raw flash15:14
lcukmaybe, let us upgrade the processor15:14
lcukahhh k keesj you shouldv learnt from last time, climbing naked causing chafing15:14
ShadowJKI hope they manage to speed up WLAN.. I wonder what the bottleneck there is anyway, spi?15:14
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aquatixlcuk: :)15:14
lcukwifi over cat5 ;)15:14
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lcuki best run anyway lol15:15
RST38hGeneral: ok, so the part is now available? cool! =)15:15
RST38hShadow: Would be funny if SPI is the bottleneck :)15:16
aquatixis the SPI bus the main bus in the NITs?15:16
ShadowJKiirc a kernel thread with spi in the name is consuming lots of CPU when wlan maxes out :)15:16
RST38hShdaow: But Nokia has no got competition in terms of web page loading time, in iPhone15:16
* aquatix isn't knowledgeble about the inner workings of an OMAP system15:16
lizardoDoes anyone know how to request for adding a new Product do the maemo bugzilla extras section ( ? I tried contacting Ryan ( GeneralAntilles ?) and Andre Klapper, but no answer yet15:17
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X-Fadelizardo: GeneralAntilles and andre__ should be able to help you, yes.15:18
* GeneralAntilles was being lazy and leaving it up to the paid guy.15:18
andre__lizardo, i'll do it later today15:18
ShadowJKRST38h, oh I just want faster transfer between my desktop and my tablet without having to muck around with usb15:18
andre__it's on my list15:18
ShadowJKor cardswap :)15:18
lizardoandre__: ok tks :)15:18
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andre__sorry, still crawling through tons of mail15:18
lizardoandre__: I would imagine that :)15:19
RST38hShadow: True, my USB isn't even accessible15:19
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RST38hqwerty: No similar work on the n810/n800 wifi driver?15:19
qwerty12RST38h: nope :(, most of the patch applies manually to diablo's cx3110x, just one section that is totally changed. If you have time...15:20
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* Meiz_n810 is now offically using Mer instead of Maemo15:25
Stskeepshehe, it stays up? scary15:25
Stskeepsyou have sound going too?15:25
JaffaMeiz_n810: full time?15:26
StskeepsMeiz_n810: no problems with batteries so far?15:26
andre__lizardo, are you sure with the milestones? you're still targetting e.g. the chinook platform?15:26
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Meiz_n810Jaffa: yes15:27
lizardoandre__: actually, you can just leave the chinook milestone out (it was just a suggestion), currently we target only fremantle and diablo15:28
Meiz_n810Stskeeps: it's a whole day now with random use15:28
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JaffaMeiz_n810: missed anything major yet?15:28
StskeepsMeiz_n810: and indication of battery is what currently?15:28
Meiz_n810Stskeeps: 26% left15:28
andre__Guest90942, maybe interested in reducing your rename noise here?15:28
JaffaIs Mer still using the same kernel (so no powertop)?15:29
Meiz_n810Stskeeps: it's abojt as much as it's usually in Maemo with this usage15:29
RST38hqwerty: If you pastebin both the "new" section and the supposed patch, I can take a look at it quickly15:29
StskeepsJaffa: yeah, but we do patch with some extra goodies15:29
qwerty12RST38h: sorry, I tried a long time ago in a past scratchbox install15:29
andre__lizardo, done15:29
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RST38hqwerty: ok, if you can find the diable file that has to be patched and the patch and send them to me,...15:30
qwerty12Jaffa: , the bottom has the list of patches added15:30
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Meiz_n810Stskeeps: i missed your earlier question, so, yes sound is okay too15:31
qwerty12(although the names aren't descriptive >.<)15:31
qwerty12RST38h: will do, thanks15:31
* Stskeeps would really really prefer to get pulseaudio working15:31
Stskeepsthen we can make really neat apps15:31
Meiz_n810mpd isn't working correctly though15:31
qwerty12Meiz_n810: you'll have to rebuild it and enable libao15:32
Meiz_n810it takes no cpu at all, but it sounds like two trains smahing togetjer15:32
Meiz_n810qwerty12, k15:32
Stskeepssuch a nice soud15:32
qwerty12In Maemo, you have to use libao for mpd output. alsa09 or esd in /etc/ao.conf works15:32
lizardoandre__: verified , thanks again :)15:32
StskeepsMeiz_n810: my plan with 0.12 release is put up a vote for each release on how many can use this release day to day15:33
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Stskeepsand ask those who doesn't, on what they're missing15:33
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qwerty12Stskeeps: I could probably switch to using it with working Xomap, a working copy and paste option on the keyboard and h-i-m on input fields on midori15:34
GeneralAntillesNo finger keyboard, no day-to-day.15:34
Stskeepsqwerty12: i honestly think it's a bad config in HIM somewhere15:34
Meiz_n810no Fn key, no day-to-day ;)15:34
Stskeepsthat keeps us away from xomap15:34
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Stskeepsand i can't debug it until i have a working n800 again15:35
Stskeepsas it's hard to hit the text fields with a scrolling screen :P15:36
qwerty12You're not trying hard enough. :P15:36
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qwerty12disq: psst... we know you're here15:37
qwerty12No need to keep letting us know. :)15:38
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JaffaGuest74330: stop it!15:38
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keesjlcuk: but thanks , at least one person noticed I was offline!15:41
thuxGeneralAntilles: now i know whois the boss here :) generalismus15:42
JaffaWe just let him think he is :)15:42
* GeneralAntilles twirls the banhammer.15:42
* Jaffa goes to find the "Lord Admiral and Imperial Highness Antilles" reference15:43
thuxpersonally i think kicking is good15:43
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thuxin #debian channels sometimes absolutely freedom of speech cause all kind problems15:45
RST38hKicking isn't sporting enough.15:45
RST38hThe proper way is to confuse the victim leading it to commit suicide.15:45
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StskeepsJaffa: what, no bulk update :( how otherwise will my evil plan of getting a thousand voices crying out in agony come through? :P16:04
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lcukStskeeps, is this the evil plan to run "apt-get mer" from diablo ;)16:09
aquatixthat's not evil, that's 133716:10
GeneralAntillesThen make them pay $19.95 to revert.16:10
lcukof course, and would be a fine upgrade path if you ask me :)16:10
JaffaStskeeps: sssh, once we get the key installed everywhere ;-)16:15
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JaffaAnyone know if I can a) see a list of the MAC addresses of all APs with a given SSID in range; b) limit my connection to a specific one?16:49
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JaffaOr I'll have to keep lugging my laptop to/from home to get free train wifi16:51
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RST38hThe apple tree:
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aquatixwhat's this SCP project you talk about and what's it doing in my head?17:49
RST38haquatix: answering the second question, it's making a nest.17:49
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Mikho_would anyone know how to install the default N810 web browser inside scratchbox?18:03
qwerty12Licensing says that the browser can only be used on a tablet. Or something like that.18:04
Mikho_that doesn't make any sense to me18:05
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Mikho_ok then. Would anyone know how to use DBus to use the default browser to open a desired web page?18:06
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qwerty12Mikho_: command line, or a C program?18:07
Mikho_hard to describe18:07
Mikho_I'd like to invoke the browser with a dbus call18:08
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Mikho_but it looks like I can't hardcode the browser to use18:08
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qwerty12 - uri being the website18:09
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Mikho_hmm, that might work18:11
Mikho_how can I find out what kind of commands the browser has exposed for me to use?18:11
qwerty12No idea to tell you the truth, I just stand by with dbus-monitor when I need to find out something.18:12
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Mikho_but osso_browser is the application to use here, and open_new_window is the command?18:13
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Mikho_all right, that's good enough for me, thanks for the info18:13
Mikho_too bad I can't debug it in my development environment18:14
qwerty12The dbus-send equiv is: dbus-send --type=method_call /com/nokia/osso_browser/request string:<website>18:14
Mikho_I see18:14
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bbnshi have you guys heard or used openframework?19:55
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lcukis there a way to clone myself?20:21
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||cw$me2 &= $me20:22
||cwno wait, that's a reference20:22
lcuknoooo references wont throw my missus off20:23
lcuki need at least 2 full complete deep clones of myself20:23
qwerty12/nick bacon not close enough?20:23
lcuknot really, i know im ugly, but lookin like the arse end of a pig? :D20:24
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mmchow to use scratchbox2 ?20:44
lcuki dunno mmc, its a bit voodoo and black arts for my liking, have you read the docs?20:45
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mmcit seems I always get host binaries20:45
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mmci.e.  build (them)20:46
lcukmmc, in original scratchbox you select a target, dunno at all for sb220:46
mmclcuk: I know how to use sb1.  But I would like to stay in my host shell, and just invoke the deb-building commands (which would enter sb)20:47
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lcukyou lost me after "use sb1." i can barely use that let alone actually understand what goes on with it20:48
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jaem_N810hey folks21:24
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jaem_N810my N810 just gave me a notification I have never encountered before, and I can't figure out why...21:26
Stskeeps"n810 dying"?21:27
jaem_N810a chirping noise that I didn't recognize, and a blue flashing LED, which flashed for only a few seonds21:27
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Stskeepsout of battery? :P21:27
jaem_N810but there was no clue as to what it was notifying me of21:27
RST38hthat is "battery dead, I am dying now"21:28
jaem_N810I know all the standard noises21:28
jaem_N810and I'm still at 47%21:28
RST38hmaybe the watchdog?21:28
* jaem_N810 shrugs21:28
lcukmine did that on the first night i had it - bloody lit the entire room up, i thought the aliens had come to take me21:28
jaem_N810lcuk: I've had that...21:28
RST38hfinnish ufo21:29
jaem_N810one night it woke me up, because the LED was reflecting off of my nightstand lamp, right into my eye21:29
lcukWE ARE THE BORG!21:29
* RST38h is always placing it so that the led faces the wall21:30
jaem_N810but I was just browsing the web, when it happened, and I am wondering why21:30
lcuki just turned off every single notification using the led i could find21:30
jaem_N810I've had it for over 6 months, and never heard it21:30
lcuknew mail21:30
jaem_N810I'm trying to figure out which sound it was21:30
lcukisnt there a list on device of what anim modes there are21:30
lcukim sure there is21:31
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lcukif anyone would know, it would be qwerty12.21:31
qwerty12There is, in /etc/mce/mce.ini21:31
jaem_N810yeah, I should look in the mce config21:31
jaem_N810beat me21:31
lcuk:D thank you qwerty1221:32
RST38h"Conventional explosives have proven ineffective at damaging SCP-560...Due to location of Site-00, nuclear warheads are not an option for use on SCP-560."21:32
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jaem_N810it just did it again21:33
jaem_N810qwerty12: does mce log events?21:34
lcuk"this message will self destruct in 5 units [blink led]"21:34
lcukwhy are you laughing! you should be running21:35
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RST38hjaem: not a good sign21:35
qwerty12jaem_N810: no, not to my knowledge :(21:35
RST38hwhat are you running in background?21:35
jaem_N810I was just checking... not a lot21:35
qwerty12jaem_N810: apt-get install ksyslogd and pastebin a syslog21:35
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jaem_N810one sec21:35
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jaem_N810RST38h: why is it bad?21:36
lcukhavign a running app doing stuff21:37
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lcukdo you think its cornfucker or whatever that virus is called?21:37
jaem_N810ksyslogd is not in my pkg lists - what repo is it in?21:37
RST38hjaem: my tablet only does it when it suddenly runs out of battery21:37
lcukjust pastebin ps results or something21:37
RST38hjaem: so, it must be some hard fault21:38
qwerty12jaem_N810: oh, sorry, it's in sdk repo. run "maemo-mini-curl -o 1.deb && maemo-mini-curl -o 2.deb" and dpkg -i 1.deb 2.deb21:39
jaem_N810okay, nvm - false alarm21:39
lcukyou left the dryer on?21:39
lcukleaning on a key!21:40
jaem_N810it appears it /was/ e-mail, only it didn't pop up a visual notification, and I guess I'd never had the sound turned on, so I didn't recognize it21:40
jaem_N810I have to run - I'll be back shortly21:40
qwerty12Is down for anyone else?21:41
qwerty12g.m.o seems messed, a shame as I wanted to upload to the autobuilderz21:42
qwerty12Damn, thanks21:42
jaem_N810lcuk: also useful: http://istheinternetup.creativemisconfiguration.com21:42
jaem_N810^ is what my friend and I came up with21:43
RST38hjaem: umgh...21:43
jaem_N810RST38h: it actually does say no when it's down21:44
lcukjaem_N810, how does that work?21:44
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||cwwell, if you were on the same lan as the web server...21:45
jaem_N810my friend wrote it, but I believe it pings a list of large sites with good uptime (e.g. Google), and if it can't reach any of them, it assumes your internet connection is down, and helpfully returns a page saying so21:45
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jaem_N810||cw: that's kind of the point21:45
qwerty12And if that page never comes, you know it's down anyway :P21:45
jaem_N810I should be getting my BT kbd soon21:46
lcuki was thinking of hooking into the anti-bandwidth it must be using to send the signal back to me to actually get some real data through21:46
jaem_N810I wish I had it now, because my thumbs hurt21:46
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jaem_N810lcuk: NO! not *antibandwidth* even 56k of that could destroy the Internet!21:47
jaem_N810you must be thinking of Unbandwidth21:47
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jaem_N810speaking of, my friend and I are looking at 6 internet lines for our dorm next year21:48
jaem_N810mmm... bits21:48
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jaem_N810'twill be fast21:49
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jaem_N810gah - something is clobbering my battery21:54
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lcuk:O timsamoff made me hungry!22:17
thuxdoes fork bombs work in maemo or are user process limited?22:18
lcuktry em22:19
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lcuk!£$"£$"£$"£^$%&"£$%%$^&"£ just paste that in22:19
lcukor did i miss a semicolon22:19
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Meiz_n810thux: i tried once22:19
Meiz_n810didn't work because of buxybox22:20
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Aveanyone know of a way to completely backup a n810 internal memory (rootfs, kernel etc) so you could later restore it like doing a complete reflash23:11
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lcuknokia knows, and they impart that knowledge by flashing it back to you23:15
Avehow generous of them!23:17
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qwerty12_N800you're not gonna get it in one image. backing up the kernel is pointless as you probably won't have flashed a new one (and if you did, you should know where it can be found), initfs can be backed up with fanoush's initfs_flasher, bootloader is pointless and the rootfs can be backed up either from initfs with bootmenu installed or from a mmc boot23:22
Avehm ok thanks, yeah I got kernel covered23:23
AveI suppose the rootft is my main concern23:23
Avefs ..23:23
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MacerStskeeps:  get it yet?23:39
neatojonesMacer: I think he's asleep23:41
Maceromg i just had an office space moment where 3 people told me about something i did wrong23:41
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