IRC log of #maemo for Monday, 2009-04-13

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MakeGhoyou forgot to ping, it's 0-100:32
MakeGhouh-oh, I'm gonna lose. Pong. pong. pong.00:34
MakeGhoFunny how quiet it's here. I wonder if some evil channel operator will get angry for us playing ping pong here, although there's no conversation here anyway. PONG.00:37
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sbx34hi i have a queston about the nokia n80000:41
lbtmaemo is dead .... long live Mer00:41
sbx34what is the max mem card i can get for it00:41
lbtone day when someone buys an N900 the channel will be bright and vibrant again...00:41
lbtsbx34: how wealthy are you?00:41
lbtI think 8Gb00:42
sbx34not very lol00:42
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sbx34oh right00:42
lbtand the N800 can have 200:42
joyrideri've got an 8gig sdhc card in my n810 works without problems ... never tried another card though. (it's even a micro sd with a mini sd adaptor)00:42
sbx34but ur not 100%00:43
sbx34so could i get 2 x 8gb00:43
GeneralAntillessbx34, 2TB00:43
lbtGA - I thought 8 Max?00:44
ShadowJK_People are using 32gig memory cards with N80000:44
GeneralAntilleslbt, why would you think that?00:45
lbtI have seen lots of random limitations around SD/CF etc00:45
lbtwhat's the 770 limit?00:45
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Stskeepsdepends if you hw mod or not00:47
lbtif not?00:47
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cbx33hey guys00:48
sbx34hi :p00:48
cbx33wow been a long time since I been here00:48
sbx34lol well i never been here hehe00:48
cbx33let's see who do I remember, Jaffa, pupnik_00:49
Stskeepsso confusing nicks and numbers.. :P00:49
cbx33I've been using this nick for a loooong time00:49
cbx33is pupnik_ still porting games?00:50
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cbx33what's the limit for SD cards on the latest OS again?00:51
cbx33on n80000:51
cbx33not n81000:51
cbx33ahh GeneralAntilles I remember you too00:52
cbx33I saw a 2Gb limit somewhere00:52
cbx33is that now old and out of date?00:52
ShadowJK_Even the nokia specs are more optimistic than 2gbyte00:52
cbx33not the ones i saw00:52
* Stskeeps uses 2,4gb cards and some use 2x32gb cards :P00:53
GeneralAntilles2TB is the limit.00:53
cbx33thanks guys00:53
cbx33just the info I needed00:53
cbx33has anyone managed to get NX ported yet?00:53
ShadowJK_GeneralAntilles, I suspect without a software upgrade, it stops working "automatically" with untouched store-bought cards somewhere before 2TB though? :-)00:55
GeneralAntillesAs long as you format it to something other than exFAT they'll work just fine.00:55
GeneralAntillesNo software upgrade needed.00:55
cbx33well I'm running he latest anyway00:56
ShadowJK_Nokia specs say 8G for N800 and N810.. I guess that was the biggest card available for testing when they designed the hw00:59
GeneralAntillesCertified, but yes.00:59
lbtthat could be where I got 8Gb then... I thought I'd seen it somewhere :)01:00
cbx33what's the best upnp media player for n800/81001:02
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cbx33or is there even one?01:02
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cbx33I heard canola was a little bloated01:05
cbx33am I wrong?01:05
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lbtdid you get an 8Gb card yet .... if so then "no"01:07
cbx33you'd install it to the card?01:07
cbx33or do you mean for media?01:07
lbtI installed maemo to the card...01:08
lbtN800.... 2 slots01:08
lbtwe rule!01:08
* cbx33 just sold his n800 to sbx3401:08
* cbx33 has an n81001:08
cbx33it still rocks ;)01:08
cbx33catcha later all01:08
lbtpoor N810 owners with tiny 2Gb rootfs01:08
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* ShadowJK_ is still using the nor :)01:09
GeneralAntillesThere's no NOR in the tablets.01:10
ShadowJK_oh :-)01:10
ShadowJK_Well the raw flash then :)01:11
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ShadowJK_not the integrated sd/mmc01:11
lbtthe eensy weensy tiny thing01:11
lbt^ technical term01:12
Pavlovpppp/win 9101:14
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lcukjohnx, \o so are you both settling in nicely now then02:05
pupnik_"It's too bad she won't live!  But then again, who does?"02:08
johnxlcuk, something like that. this is kind of just a stopover though02:08
lcukahhh ok, is it good being home tho02:08
lcuk:) thats what counts02:09
johnxpretty weird though02:09
lcuki bet!02:09
lcukhow long were you over there02:09
johnx2 years02:09
johnxI had visited back home once 1.5 years ago02:09
lcukyou will have culture shock lol02:09
johnxI'm having time shock too02:10
lcukits about 8pm there isnt it02:10
johnxcatching up with friends and realizing they got real jobs and bought houses in the interim O_o;02:10
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lcukyeah, but you travelled halfway round the world!02:11
lcukyou all have some catching up to do02:11
johnxyeah, but it still feels weird because some things feel like they haven't changed at all02:11
GeneralAntillesWhat? It was only 2 years. :P02:12
lcukheh, its similar with us02:12
lcukstrangest change recently was my old school building got knocked down02:12
johnxGeneralAntilles, yeah, just a short visit really :)02:12
johnxlcuk, weird seeing all the computer stores I used to go to closed up or changed into something else02:13
lcukyeah - evolution rather than revolution02:13
lcuki drive past the computer shop i used to be in awe at02:13
lcukits a florists now02:13
johnxheh. all that's old is new again :D02:13
lcukindeed it is johnx :)02:14
johnxturns out selling flowers at brick+mortar stores turned out to be the better business model02:14
lcukplastering tv with adverts about [relatives] day helps too ;)02:14
johnxthe whole mother's day CPU+RAM combo must not have been a hot seller :>02:15
lcuka small bunch of locally grown flowers means more :)02:15
lcukhave you decided if you are coming to copenhagen yet?  and have you made your application if you want to02:16
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johnxI'll decide and apply (or not) by the end of today02:17
johnxI still don't know if I'm all that helpful for a lot of this stuff02:17
lcuki think every member of the community would asnwer in the same way: of fucking course you are helpful02:18
johnxeh, well if you insist. If I don't acccomplish anything up there I'll put it at your feet :>02:19
lcukyou arent intended to accomplish anything, ive got the impression its a brainstorming session :)02:21
johnxI'll try and borrow a brain to take along then :)02:22
lcuk:D wicked02:25
* johnx looks around to see who won't miss their's for a bit :>02:26
qwerty12_N800don't take lcuk's; you'll only see bacon everywhere :P02:27
lcukthere is no bacon in the new liqbase!02:27
lcukthe media folder doesnt contain ANY!02:27
lcukmust be for now02:29
johnxcouldn't get the licensing worked out to redistribute the bacon? sad02:29
lcuklol ill have to put it back02:30
lcukit would be massive bacon!02:30
qwerty12_N800yahoo ads think i need02:30
qwerty12_N800bust lift tablets :(02:30
johnxqwerty12_N800, ouch. I should show you some of my international spam collection though O_o;02:31
qwerty12_N800johnx, heehee, contents of that sound scary :P02:31
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lcukisnt all spam international02:32
johnxmine is more international than most I think02:33
qwerty12_N800showoff. :p02:34
* johnx looks into his spam folder for the first time in months...02:34
johnxspam is really surreal these days to get by bayesian filters ...02:34
lcukqwerty12_N800, did you see the red dwarf episode tonight?02:35
lcukdunno gmail is good at hiding most spam02:35
GeneralAntillesI usually just get empty messages.02:35
lcukive started to recently get random phonecam images sent directly from peoples phones02:35
qwerty12_N800lcuk: nah, was watching the xmen origins film02:35
lcukits awesome!02:35
johnxlcuk, like truck drivers and dock workers?02:36
* lcuk gets an awful lot of things expected to be sent to "*liquid@gmail"02:36
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lcukreal things which dont hit spam cos it isnt02:36
lcuksome are scary02:36
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* johnx raises an eyebrow02:37
lcuktheres a number of users who have things like "mr.liquid@" "real.liquid@" etc02:37
lcukthe only thing i can think is people c&p the address and it stops at the .02:37
johnxaaaah, that makes sense02:38
lcukqwerty12_N800, the dodgy origins one with bluescreen and wires02:39
qwerty12_N800that's the one!02:39
lcuk^^^^^^^^^^^^ HAXX0R PIRATE ALERT ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^ ;)02:40
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qwerty12_N800^^^^^^^^^^ NORTHERNER02:40
johnxquick Mr. PIRATE HAXX0R, help me apprehend the Northerner!02:41
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* lcuk downloads the movie to blend in02:41
lcukthat really has had the streisand effect02:41
tank-manso you are :)02:41
lcukyes, liquid@gmail.com02:42
lcukand im downloading a dodgy pirate movie :O02:42
lcuk^ a dodgy pirate movie02:44
lcukomg, this movie IS dodgy02:44
johnxdoes it have pirates?02:45
lcukis that a ninja with a snorkling mask on?02:45
lcuki take that back, this is made of WIN!02:46
lcukit has sound effects!02:46
lcukthis has win wrote all over it02:46
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pupnik_oh cool i missed the blade runner game entirely in 1997...03:00
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lcukhi Macer \o03:56
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ciroiplcuk: still awake??04:08
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Macerhi lcuk04:11
Macerhope sts gets the n800 soon heh04:11
lcukheh, at least the delivery folks dont have to rely on its gps ;)04:12
Macerthat way when i replace it with an n810... mer will be top notch04:12
GeneralAntillesThe N800 doesn't have GPS.04:12
lcukthats my point ;)04:12
lcukif it was an 810 we could make an excuse04:12
MacerGeneralAntilles: you can hook it up to an ext one ;)04:12
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GeneralAntillesMacer, yes, I have several i-blues04:13
Maceri used to hook it up to my n9504:13
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luke-jrI am seriously planning to switch to Gentoo on my N81004:37
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crazy_impany ideas why the browser stopped working after some days?04:54
crazy_impit doesn't even display the start page anymore04:54
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GeneralAntilles /etc/init.d/tablet-browser-daemon restart05:08
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* johnx has no luck with his N800 and his t-mobile USA SE tm50605:41
johnxhey b-man :)05:42
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b-manhello, johnx :)05:42
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* b-man was allmost successful in emulating Darwin on his N800 using qemu05:44
* b-man loves qemu05:46
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b-mani also have android, FreeBSD, and FreeDOS running :)05:47
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* johnx shakes his head05:48
johnxjust ... wow05:48
johnxcongrats, I guess :)05:48
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b-man-> freedos
b-man-> openbsd  ttp://
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johnxis that arm freebsd or x86 freebsd?05:52
b-manon arm05:53
b-manaka, it's running on my tablet with qemu ;)05:53
johnxwell, yeah, but arm openbsd on qemu would probably be (potentially) faster then x86 openbsd on qemu05:54
johnxxen or kvm would be cool too05:54
johnxand RST38h would finally get freebsd like he's always wanted :>05:55
* b-man 's connection is being annoying slow XP06:00
b-manAndroid omap2 emulation >
b-man(NITdroid) ;)06:05
b-mansplash >
johnxso that's arm-on-arm?06:06
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b-manbut it's a lot safer than installing NITdroid directly on my tablet ;)06:08
lcukgnite /106:08
lcuko/ even lol06:08
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* b-man wonders where xnt is..06:10
b-man~seen xnt06:10
infobotxnt <> was last seen on IRC in channel #maemo, 18d 2h 52m 4s ago, saying: 'this thing won't boot off of my usb :P'.06:10
b-manhmm, been gone for quite a while :P06:11
johnxanyways, back on later06:12
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b-manmy 4½ month old ubuntu install is still working, suprisingly06:15
b-mandispite all of the abuse it's taken06:16
fireunit likes abuse06:19
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fireunwhat it doesnt like, is closed video drivers06:19
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fireunserious, I finally get half way decent video playback, and now the laptop hangs on suspend06:21
fireunso frustrating06:21
fireunone step forward, two steps back = linux littany06:21
* b-man is booting ubuntu on his n800 XD06:21
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b-manwith software renderd OpenGL06:22
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lakinI've got an SDL program running on the n810. The program is a C++ implementation of the logo on  It only updates the rect that contains each ball on each frame.  But there is severe tearing when running it on the n810 - Is there any way to wait for a v-sync to minimize tearing?08:53
lakinOr any other ways of minimizing this tearing?08:53
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Macerthe day the earth stood still is interesting09:42
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aquatixmorning all09:50
thuxafter i have to close browser and browserd from load applet, browser doesn't open any page just say 'updating'? after reboot it works09:52
thuxdo browser need some service to restart?09:53
aquatixthux: you would have to start the browserd from command line again09:53
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aquatixthux: yeah09:53
thuxok thanks09:53
aquatix /etc/init.d/tablet-browser-daemon09:54
aquatixso, if you have killed it, do as root:09:54
aquatix /etc/init.d/tablet-browser-daemon start09:54
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Meiz_n810what does Retu ASIC chip do?10:24
thuxmorning Meiz_n81010:27
thuxretu is flintstones fred in finnish ain't it :)10:28
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* RST38h yawns11:09
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crazy_impaquatix: thanks (and thux for repeating my question :)11:35
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aquatixcrazy_imp: heh :)11:59
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RST38hawfully quiet here today12:08
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RST38hZimbabwe abandoned its national currency at 10E14-a-buill =)12:25
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wazdHello maemo!12:40
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Stskeepshello wazd12:41
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RST38hHello wazd!12:47
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LopLiiihi , my n810 is restarting over and over only with nokia logo, cannot be flashed with error "Sending request  0x42 failed: Connection timed out" .... help ....13:00
`0660take the battery out, put it back in and let it charge for hours before trying to start it13:03
`0660i think that should help13:04
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timelesshello world13:30
timelesscan someone talk me through lp:13:30
Stskeepshad a good easter?13:32
timelessyou mean season when nothing is open?13:32
Stskeepsyeah ;)13:32
Stskeepsthe dorm has a shop that has been open all days, so that's neat :P13:32
timelessthe perforated cardboard is crunchy as usual13:32
* timeless waits for people to google that13:33
Stskeepsanyway, lp?13:33
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Stskeepsright, l10n in maemo is just insane14:22
LopLiiihi again, my n810 is restarting over and over only with nokia logo, cannot be flashed with error "Sending request  0x42 failed: Connection timed out" .......14:26
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Stskeepsand you're running the flasher as root?14:28
Stskeepsand following instructions on14:28
infobotsomebody said flashing was
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LopLiiiyes as root, using wiki.maemo guides ...14:35
Stskeepsnokia cabling and holding down key and such?14:36
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lcukmornin maemo \014:45
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RST38hmorning lcuk15:02
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lcukhiya RST38h15:08
lcukhow in the hell did it get to april already!15:11
thuxwhat quality sound chip is in n800? comparing mp3 players or ipod15:11
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aquatixit's ok15:12
aquatixnot sure about how it holds up to quality media players15:13
aquatixbut i guess it's at least on par with the latest ipods :)15:13
lcukdunno thux, if it doesnt you can whack em round the head with it15:13
thuxthen i try to plug it in some speakers15:13
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lcukthat might help though15:14
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lcukdid anybody ever diagnose the "battery dies for no reason" issue15:20
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jaskaargh, stupid windows flasher, and my only linux laptop broke17:21
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jaskayay, cursing always helps, this time it actually started flashing17:23
* lcuk cannot flash his n800 :(17:24
jaskassu didnt work for me as i stripped out the preinstalled docs package :)17:25
jaskaguess i might as well delete the files next time so it'll proceed17:25
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jaskathere went 100d+ uptime17:28
Stskeepsof tablet? impressive :p17:30
jaskayup :)17:30
RST38hMoo Sts17:30
jaskait serves as my in-house ssh terminal most of the time so it didnt have a chance to crash or anything17:30
Stskeepsmoo RST38h17:30
RST38hSts: Ever installed MeR on a WinCE hardware like that dreaded Glofish phone?17:30
StskeepsRST38h: well, no, but it looks like it has a linux kernel for it17:31
* Stskeeps checks chip17:32
Stskeepsit has Haret support, at least17:32
RST38hCool, let me tell that to the poor soul who has got one of these17:33
RST38hPoor guy still thinks he can live with it, but it is temporary17:35
Stskeepsit's armv4, so it would probably run same sw as openmoko17:35
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Stskeepsarmv4t, that is17:36
StskeepsRST38h: when we get the openmoko port going, it should work for that thing too17:36
RST38hAs soon as he comes to conclusion that his $200 are irrevercibly lost, you may get another guinea pig to experiment on :)17:36
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Stskeepsit just really has to be 640x480 though17:37
Stskeeps(not sure what model he has)17:38
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Stskeepshow 480x640 looks atm:
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RST38hSts: It has got 640x48017:43
Stskeepswell then17:43
Stskeepsthen it should be possible, but with the debian-armel port17:44
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lcukquestion, i have a calendar display.  it has a set of icons along the side, one of them (the up arrow currently) should show an icon for "TODAY" when clicked the calendar should return to show today like it does when it starts17:49
lcukany ideas17:49
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RST38hWhat is the question though?17:51
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lcukwhat kind of icon17:51
lcukim used to just writing the word-  icons are new to me17:51
RST38hUse an alarm clock17:53
RST38hAnd do ask wazd for icons, he is much better at them than any of us17:53
lcukyeah i know :) im just thinking out loud, im feeling better about having toolbars17:54
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RST38hlcuk: this will win from a few changes17:56
lcukwhat will?17:57
RST38hlcuk: 1. put toolbar on the left, like in the previous image 2. make tree level shift smaller to save space 3. use different colors for odd and even rows in the list17:58
lcukoh that, yeah it was just a quick list to show zach some aspects of the cell structure17:58
lcukand how to parse it17:58
lcukmany more changes are coming with it17:58
lcukthat one was with icons im not allowed to use ;)17:59
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lcukbbl anyway18:03
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RST38hlcuk: What is wrong with these icons?18:07
RST38hlook generic18:07
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qwerty12fremantle icons, non-free18:07
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RST38hqwerty: Doesn't Diablo have a similar set of stock icons?18:14
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* RST38h even remembers them being open source18:14
Stskeepsthere's some fugly ones :P18:14
qwerty12The SDK ones are CC licensed but they really look fugly :(18:14
qwerty12The ones used on device aren't free :/18:14
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RST38hhow about finding some decent ones on wikipedia?18:18
RST38hBTW, a classic:
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jaskacarnivorous inflatable doll!18:25
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* qwerty12 remembers an old "only fools and horses episode" where the dolls literally did blow up...18:26
RST38hqwerty: also, see "Wilt" by Tom Sharpe18:26
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BlafaselRST38h: I don't get that.. Is this about a TV series or something? The wiki is - confusing.18:31
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RST38hBlafasel: hehe18:35
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Prozakhello everbody19:01
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Prozakso, i was hoping an experienced maemo user could give me some pointers about Nokia's N8XX gadgets... to see if i should buy either the 800 the 810 or wait for the new one... anyone available?19:13
JaffaNew one should be announced properly RSN - but there's no real information on when it'll be available (hope is summer)19:14
JaffaBut it'll be pricier than an N81019:14
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Prozakbut talking about capabilities, basically what i want is to use it as my PDA, stick my current GSM chip and use it as 3g bluetooth modem for my lap and .. u know... mobile computing.. hehe...19:16
Stskeepsah, it doesn't have 3g inside19:17
Stskeepsthen wait for next one, it does19:17
JaffaIf you want to stick a SIM inside it - you can't use an N810 as it has no GSM/GPRS/UMTS hardware19:17
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Prozakwhaaat rly?19:17
Prozakwoa that sucks19:17
Stskeepsnot really19:18
Stskeepsthey're internet tablets19:18
Prozakdamn i will have to wait :(19:18
Prozakso that means... wifi only?19:18
JaffaAnd Bluetooth to connect to a phone19:18
Stskeepsor usbnet if you hax it19:18
Prozakso.. i'll have to wait19:19
JaffaStskeeps: nice19:19
Prozakso im guessing that maemo only runs in nokia products19:19
Stskeepsmaemo does, but the platform (hildon, etc) runs on other devices too19:20
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slonopotamusit's pda, man :) no stinky communicator/smartphone/whatever19:20
Prozakanyone knows like a cool N8XX killer?19:20
Stskeepsrx-51, hopefully, the next tablet ;)19:20
slonopotamusProzak, there isn't any19:20
Prozakagh.. now i want the summer to come... i need my little hitchiker guide xD19:21
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Prozakthanks for the pointers guys19:22
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* slonopotamus 's wife still uses good old palm Vx to read books. it still doesn't have any alternatives, e-ink readers are too expensive19:24
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* aquatix likes his n810 in portrait mode with fbreader19:24
aquatixwhite font on black bg19:25
* aquatix afk; supper19:25
slonopotamusaquatix, too short battery life19:26
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pupnika translator app on the tablet might sell a few copies19:46
Stskeepsstardict? :P19:47
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Macerindiana jones and the kingdom of the crystal skull was so absolutely horrible19:47
Stskeepssouth park had it right, eh?19:48
Macerthe one where they treated it like a rape victim? :)19:48
Maceri died laughing when they ran in on them raping a stormtrooper19:49
Stskeepsnot that there is anything funny about rape, but yes, they raped that movie :P19:49
Macerbut yeah.. it was just a real real real bad movie19:49
Macerthey tried to go too retro with it.. try to give it the feel of a 1980s hollywood set movie19:49
Macernot to mention the story itself sucked :) as did the screenplay19:50
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Maceri'm downloading a few hd movies19:51
Macerand i made the mistake of giving it the benefit of the doubt19:51
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Macerbut no.. the rumors are true.. it sucks :)19:51
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Jaffaragnar's hinting we "don't need to wait too long anymore. :)" [about product announcements]21:41
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lcukJaffa, so whats the betting on an announcement and then how long after?21:52
Stskeepsno, the discussion is "will rx-51 be out before openpandora"21:53
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lcuklol Stskeeps21:55
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lcukhave you got onto the dev program of pandora or havent you tried21:55
Stskeepsi'm betting on rx-51 first21:55
* ShadowJK wants a touchbook :/21:56
Stskeepslcuk: too much in my hands, and i'm waiting for a touchbook21:57
ShadowJKare you going to buy one or are you getting one for free? :P21:58
Stskeepsno clue.21:58
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Stskeepsmy bet is people will port it solely based on the beagleboard port though21:58
ShadowJKiow you're waiting like the rest of us mortals :)21:58
Stskeepsi just hope macer's N800 make it to .dk before my poland trip21:59
* Jaffa wants a Touchbook and an RX-x1. Would bet on a next-gen Maemo device announcement followed by shipping within 6 weeks21:59
Stskeepsi will be bored to death otherwise21:59
Jaffa(i.e. 6 weeks from announcement to shipping)21:59
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pupniki'm stunned at how little has been done with games since i quit22:00
Stskeepspupnik: should get started on Mer games :P22:00
Stskeepsmuch saner to port22:00
lcukpupnik, speak to joyrider22:00
lcukhes come over from the gp2x community22:00
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pupniki don't think i can make money with computers.  moving on.22:01
ShadowJKI'll bet on announcement mid-may22:01
Stskeepspupnik: computer work income is just bribes from people not understanding your software, in order to get you to help them22:01
lcukShadowJK, problem is i cant think of anything happening around that time where a group of people would all be together22:02
pupnikwell that's not quite true.  i don't think i can make money releasing software.  i can* program things though.22:02
pupnikand those things can be sold soon22:02
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Jaffalcuk: indeed - I can't think of anything big (not done any research) before OSiM/summit :-/22:02
ShadowJKlcuk: i can however think of many work-impeding events before and after22:02
pupniktah tah22:02
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lcukmaybe late may perhaps22:03
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Stskeepsi think fremantle beta latest end of may22:03
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ShadowJKBut I guess it depends if nokia has managed to get rid of the traditional .fi boozing holidays and the "put everything on hold, it's /warm/ outside for a change!"-season22:04
lcukyou have a point22:04
* RST38h moos22:04
lcukif they are anything like us brits, first spot of sunshine and the motorways/beaches are packed and bbq smells heavy in the air22:05
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JaffaShadowJK: actually, if previous experience is to go on they'll release the Maemo 5 lead device and *then* go on holiday whilst we pick up the pieces ;-)22:06
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JaffaSo, we have a hard deadline now :)22:07
lcukits amazing what internet rumours can do lol22:07
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