IRC log of #maemo for Sunday, 2009-04-12

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GeneralAntilles	lbt, any chance you could try to reduce the right click requirements in Shopper?	00:35
GeneralAntilles	They're really obnoxious, especially since Qt doesn't seem to handle them well.	00:35
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lbt	well, Qt should do the spinny spiral thing like gtk - it's on my todo list	00:37
lbt	but I'm also happy for UI suggestions	00:37
lbt	right now I use it to edit/delete an item	00:37
lbt	(which I very rarely do)	00:37
lbt	how else could I do that - given I need to indicate which item needs acting on ?	00:38
zakkm	have a right click "button" ?	00:38
lbt	?	00:38
zakkm	a button that does the same "action" as right clicking ;p	00:39
lbt	permanently on display on the UI?	00:39
zakkm	yeah	00:39
zakkm	so you click the item, click that then move and click whatever	00:39
zakkm	just a thought lol	00:39
lbt	oh, so click the trash then pick an item?	00:40
zakkm	or that, but i was thinknig of a button that says edit	00:40
zakkm	and you click item.. then edit.. and the edit brings up the right click on the item	00:40
qwerty12_N800	if you only have two actions assigned to the right click, just add them as buttons next to the item	00:40
zakkm	is dropdown menu possibly on maemo/mer?	00:41
zakkm	nonmenu	00:41
lbt	the main reason for gestures is that when you're wandering around the screen goes to sleep	00:41
lbt	touching it wakes it up	00:41
GeneralAntilles	lbt, can you fix the onscreen keyboard behavior so I don't have to edit things all the time?	00:41
GeneralAntilles	Take a cue from the iPhone would be my suggestion as far as avoiding right click.	00:42
lbt	and if I 'touch' the bin icon then it deletes them	00:42
GeneralAntilles	Have a little widget for edit/delete	00:42
GeneralAntilles	Look at how Canola does it.	00:42
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zakkm	lbt: put a "are you sure" ?	00:42
lbt	mmm	00:42
zakkm	should have anyways, for deleting ?	00:42
lbt	'cos I just love waking the screen up and having "are you sure?" <grin>	00:43
zakkm	unless theres undo	00:43
lbt	no, there's "long hold" which is a very deliberate action to get the delete menu	00:43
zakkm	why would that happen?	00:44
zakkm	waking screen up and getting that	00:44
zakkm	screen gets locked when it sleeps doesnt it	00:44
lbt	:D	00:44
zakkm	so your have to push buttons, then touchscreen works	00:44
zakkm	so how would that happen?	00:44
lbt	when you're wandering around the shop the screen goes to sleep	00:44
zakkm	shopper feature or normal maemo?	00:44
lbt	iit's dark so you don't know what you touch to wake it up	00:45
lbt	normal	00:45
zakkm	but it would lock touchscreen at same time, when display goes to sleep?	00:45
zakkm	or did i set that option myself?	00:45
lbt	and I used to find myself touching a tick box and 'selecting' an iterm	00:45
lbt	yourself	00:45
zakkm	oh	00:45
zakkm	then yeah i guess	00:45
lbt	it's a pain when you're shopping :)	00:45
zakkm	lol	00:46
lbt	'cos you unlock it every 30 secs!	00:46
lbt	yup	00:46
zakkm	i dont go big shopping, work in a grocery store, so i pickup a few things when store is closed ;p	00:46
zakkm	no lines, already there, ;p	00:46
zakkm	you guys use shopper while shopping?	00:46
lbt	fair enough - not your typical user though :)	00:46
lbt	yes - all the time	00:47
lbt	it's why I wrote it	00:47
lbt	GeneralAntilles: what do you mean by the "onscreen keyboard behavior so I don't have to edit things all the time"	00:48
zakkm	do you guys use a case for your tablet?	00:48
zakkm	or just put it in your pocket	00:48
lbt	I have a case that clips on my belt	00:49
zakkm	i cant decide between nothing.. the "leather" case or this big case where you slide it in.. it covers it.. and clips it in	00:49
zakkm	http://www.pjbox.co.uk/pics/IPOD%20CASE3.JPG <-- like this but for nokia	00:50
lbt	I have a magnetic flap - easy to slide in/out but can't use it in the case	00:50
zakkm	doesnt let you?	00:51
lbt	cheapo case - covers the screen	00:51
zakkm	heh	00:51
zakkm	the big one i got leaves just the screen and buttons ;p	00:51
zakkm	and power	00:52
lcuk	i used to use my fujitsu loox case	00:52
lcuk	it had a velcro flap that when left open stuck it inside my pocket	00:52
lcuk	i just slid the 810 in and out	00:52
* lcuk mourns his loss		00:53
zakkm	sounds like the leather case, but with velcro	00:53
zakkm	you lost it?	00:53
zakkm	http://www.proporta.com/resizeimage.php?src=F03/i/aluleather_pocketloox720_book.jpg&w=270px&h=230px <-- thats what im using?	00:53
lcuk	yeah, its been "misplaced" somewhere in the house	00:53
qwerty12_N800	lcuk: with the 720, I got no velcro :(	00:53
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zakkm	ohh its different on the inside, nevermind	00:53
lcuk	a fliptop like this https://www.foneplanet.com/images/Acc/seimens/SX-1%20Belt%20Case.jpg	00:55
zakkm	my brother got me a ipaq 3650, the case slide in, fits.. but the leather one that coems with it is nicer	00:55
RST38h	lcuk: that is a reported attack site	00:55
zakkm	whats a attack site?	00:55
lcuk	rst?	00:56
lbt	firefox tells me that too	00:56
RST38h	foneplanet.com one	00:56
lbt	http://safebrowsing.clients.google.com/safebrowsing/diagnostic?client=Iceweasel&hl=en-GB&site=https://www.foneplanet.com/images/Acc/seimens/SX-1BeltCase.jpg	00:56
lbt	Of the 1112 pages that we tested on the site over the past 90 days, 693 page(s) resulted in malicious software being downloaded and installed without user consent	00:57
lcuk	o_O	00:57
lbt	Over the past 90 days, foneplanet.com appeared to function as an intermediary for the infection of 1 site(s) including phone-deal.co.uk/.	00:57
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RST38h	fun!	00:57
lbt	anyhow, thanks for the link !!	00:57
zakkm	GeneralAntilles: what do you use to encode for nokia?	00:58
RST38h	sleep time	00:58
GeneralAntilles	tablet-encode	00:58
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RST38h	that is mencoder, isn't it?	00:58
zakkm	dang, it gives me some mencoder error	00:58
lbt	you ignoring me GA?	00:58
lbt	GeneralAntilles: what do you mean by the "onscreen keyboard behavior so I don't have to edit things all the time"	00:58
zakkm	tried handbrake, works alright, just thinking i could do better	00:58
lbt	<grin>	00:58
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GeneralAntilles	lbt, sorry, elsewhere. :P	01:11
lbt	NP	01:11
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GeneralAntilles	When I press enter to close the finger keyboard it adds a newline at the end	01:12
GeneralAntilles	Which really messes up the item display.	01:12
lbt	ooh - mine doesn't	01:12
lbt	long-click .... edit	01:13
lbt	Edit Item dialog?	01:13
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GeneralAntilles	lbt, new item.	01:26
lbt	weird - I usually use the return key and have never seen that	01:27
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lbt	which Shopper version?	01:27
GeneralAntilles	Latest I guess.	01:28
lbt	hmmm, I'll look - it's a Qt bug anyhow...	01:28
GeneralAntilles	0.5.7	01:28
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matt	Ok, n810 has a webcam, right? Is there a set of tools that I can use to play around with it?	01:54
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lcuk	playaround?	01:54
matt	lcuk: Yeah, just play around with the camera on the thing. Like, something I could stream it over http or something, so I could view it on my desktop or something.	01:55
matt	lcuk: and then have a "security" cam wherever I placed the n810.	01:55
Corsac	hmhm, is there an ntp daemon for maemo?	01:56
lcuk	gtalk has video streaming	01:56
lcuk	its based on gstreamer	01:56
lcuk	so whatever tools are available via that should work i believe	01:56
matt	lcuk: So I could install gtalk on the n810, and the gtalk on my desktop?	01:56
lcuk	its the default internet call app i believe	01:56
qwerty12_N800	corsac, openntpd in extras	01:56
lcuk	ive only done it 810 to 810	01:56
tank-man	matt, something like this? http://garage.maemo.org/projects/gstmjpg	01:57
GeneralAntilles	matt, unfortunately Google doesn't implement their own codec on the GTalk client.	01:57
matt	tank-man: I guess. But I just sorta realized I have no use for it anyways.	01:58
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GeneralAntilles	Hey, johnx.	02:16
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johnx	hey GeneralAntilles	02:20
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* zakkm starts to wonder why anyone would upgrade to OS2008 diablo ;p		02:23
zakkm	whats the worse that can happen from installing apps from diablo repo in OS2007?	02:24
johnx	maybe a reboot loop?	02:24
tank-man	program not work	02:24
GeneralAntilles	It's not API compatible.	02:24
GeneralAntilles	70MHz is one reason.	02:24
GeneralAntilles	Powersaving that doesn't suck is another.	02:24
johnx	libraries not from the stone age is another	02:25
zakkm	i love my os2007 :)	02:25
GeneralAntilles	An application manager that works	02:25
GeneralAntilles	a browser that works	02:26
zakkm	?	02:26
GeneralAntilles	A default theme that isn't ugly as sin.	02:26
zakkm	browser has yet to crash on me	02:26
johnx	zakkm, good for you, but you won't find much help here :)	02:26
GeneralAntilles	Crashing isn't the only metric for "works"	02:26
zakkm	okay	02:26
zakkm	i have yet to come across a problem other than being slower.	02:26
johnx	and it's not microb vs opera it's tear vs opera :)	02:26
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zakkm	yeah i wanted to add tear repository, and try it in os2007 ;p	02:27
johnx	spoiler alert: no way in heck it will work	02:27
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GeneralAntilles	They're not API compatible.	02:27
GeneralAntilles	For the fortieth time.	02:27
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zakkm	lol	02:27
zakkm	wouldnt it get the updated stuff though	02:27
zakkm	like update its dependencies, which would update that	02:27
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johnx	let's pretend it magically got all the updates it needed: then you'd have diablo	02:28
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Macer	haha	02:54
Macer	tear? what happened to microb?	02:54
Macer	why do i care? i sent my n800 to sts haha	02:55
Macer	was going to get an n810 when prices dropped	02:55
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pupnik	o/ prost	04:37
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zakkm	why cant i insmod /mnt/initfs/lib/modules/current/ext2.ko <-- when it exists?	05:04
zakkm	it says unknown symbol in module (-1): no such file or diretory	05:04
GAN800	pfhbl	05:04
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t3chb0t	.	05:08
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pupnik	zakkm: happens to me when the module does not match the kernel version	05:15
zakkm	its a newly flashed install?	05:15
zakkm	odd	05:15
zakkm	trying to get my OS2007 to clone to sd, but it doesnt like me ;p	05:16
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pupnik	zakkm: wasn't there something you needed to do first before that insmod?	05:21
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pupnik	i forgot the howto	05:21
zakkm	http://examplified.net/guide/Nokia_770/Booting_from_MMC/	05:21
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zakkm	pupnik: i did number 1 to 10	05:21
pupnik	:(	05:22
zakkm	?	05:22
pupnik	i haven't done that in 14 months or so	05:22
zakkm	me neither	05:22
pupnik	or no - something like that	05:22
zakkm	http://www.internettablettalk.com/forums/showthread.php?t=8631 , thinking of just trying this one again, see if it will work this time	05:23
zakkm	http://wiki.maemo.org/Booting_from_a_flash_card <--- ****	05:23
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GeneralAntilles	Don't expect things on OS2007 to work.	05:25
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zakkm	its a old guide though	05:25
zakkm	like old method	05:25
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zakkm	im not trying the new mer/fanoush bootmenu, on OS2007 for instance	05:25
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* b-man trys to boot Darwin on his N800 using qemu		06:34
b-man	(MacOS X base)	06:35
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luke-jr	b-man: sick :p	06:43
zakkm	lol	06:45
zakkm	if you get aqua working, id be impressed :P	06:45
GeneralAntilles	Aqua is closed source.	06:47
GeneralAntilles	and Darwin isn't close enough to OS X for that to be feasible.	06:47
zakkm	that just means he cant release it	06:48
zakkm	if hes running in qemu, he can use mac disc iso?"	06:48
GeneralAntilles	Not enough RAM	06:48
zakkm	i didnt mean usable	06:48
GeneralAntilles	No, seriously, not enough RAM to boot.	06:49
zakkm	oh	06:49
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pupnik	http://www.pvv.org/~shane/stasj/pics/humor/4621.html Finland kicks butt.	07:56
zakkm	:)	08:17
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thux	morning	09:01
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Shasie	Hi all	10:14
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RST38h	"We hacked internally Clutter to work in N810 but due legal reasons we were unable to release needed OpenGL-ES drivers for N810."	11:22
lbt	:(	11:24
RST38h	Lovely, isn't it?	11:24
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GeneralAntilles	They're working on it.	11:24
GeneralAntilles	The legal reasons are outlined on the driver justification talk page.	11:25
lbt	for 810?	11:25
RST38h	Nobody is working on N810 any more.	11:25
GeneralAntilles	lbt, for OMAP2	11:25
RST38h	GAN: Ah, so there is still hope? =)	11:25
GeneralAntilles	RST38h, yeah, qgil made it public a few weeks ago on itT.	11:25
* lbt has to go and lookup OMAP		11:25
GeneralAntilles	For shame, lbt.	11:25
GeneralAntilles	I fixed up the OMAP wiki page recently, though, so you should be good to go. :P	11:26
* lbt mutters about UML2		11:26
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* lbt can't find an omap wiki page...		11:28
Pavlov	then you aren't trying very hard	11:28
lbt	https://wiki.maemo.org/Special:Search?search=omap&go=Go	11:29
Pavlov	first hit for "omap wiki" on google is something useful	11:29
lbt	ah, GeneralAntilles meant the OMAP wikipedia page.... he's usually very precise	11:29
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GeneralAntilles	b.m.o, lbt. :P	11:29
lbt	MR maemo.org, not Maemo.org .... <sigh> so fuzzy....	11:30
* lbt ducks		11:30
Pavlov	b.m.o is so confusing	11:30
lbt	yeah "bite me" has no "o"	11:30
* lbt looks for the bmo wikipedia page		11:31
Pavlov	mm, i was thinking of some other reasons	11:31
GeneralAntilles	bugs.maemo.org bugs.mozilla.org	11:31
Pavlov	bugzilla.mozilla.org, but yeah	11:32
GeneralAntilles	I usually just call it bugzilla for more ambiguity and confusion. ;)	11:32
GeneralAntilles	er, right	11:32
* GeneralAntilles doesn't go there very often. :P		11:32
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Stskeeps	so any news from maemoland since i was offline for 5 hours? :P	11:42
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GeneralAntilles	Yeah, we decided on a new uniform for Stskeeps.	11:43
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Stskeeps	oh boy.	11:44
Stskeeps	latex?	11:44
Stskeeps	:P	11:44
GeneralAntilles	You'll find out at the Summit. :P	11:44
Stskeeps	hehe	11:44
Stskeeps	damn.. september will be a busy month	11:45
Stskeeps	moving to poland, probable thesis exam, summit..	11:45
RST38h	General: Given that he is moving to Poland, I have got an idea	11:45
Stskeeps	bringing vodka to summit? :P	11:46
RST38h	No, no...	11:46
RST38h	http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Section_sign (see Polish Police chevron)	11:46
RST38h	Of course, the whole uniform should be black, with thin silvery stripes everywhere, but Darth Vader helmet is optional	11:47
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reisio	oooh, neat	11:52
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aquatix	good moaning	12:05
RST38h	moo aquatix	12:06
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lbt	This is an interesting LWN article on vendors and Linux http://lwn.net/SubscriberLink/327878/722b0fef064e1779/ preaching to the converted but some succint comments and arguments in there	13:40
wazd	Hello maemo	13:41
Stskeeps	lbt: mm, mtc might find it interesting	13:42
* lbt nods		13:42
lbt	can you send me that config.log? or too hard?	13:43
Stskeeps	only by re-creating the build, which i can	13:43
Stskeeps	http://trac.tspre.orgÆ:8000 otherwise	13:44
Stskeeps	http://trac.tspre.orgÆ:8000 otherwise	13:44
Stskeeps	..	13:44
Stskeeps	http://trac.tspre.ororgÃ:8000 otherwise	13:44
Stskeeps	wtf is with my terminal	13:44
Stskeeps	bloody ubuntu.	13:44
Stskeeps	trac . tspre .org port 8000 :P	13:44
lbt	heh	13:44
GeneralAntilles	If Linux ever wants to succeed on the desktop, it needs a DE that doesn't totally suck.	13:45
Stskeeps	this close to just installing mer on it	13:45
lbt	nah - need the internal detail of config.log.... nevermind	13:46
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Stskeeps	i'll push a build so you can get one, lbt	13:46
lbt	'k I'd just like to unblock glib...	13:46
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Stskeeps	monitor trac.tspre.org builder for a glib log i guess	13:48
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Stskeeps	i started it with accelerated gcc	13:48
lbt	where is the build happening ? on trac.tspre.org ?	13:49
lbt	or your local vm	13:49
Stskeeps	a mer vmdk inside a machine at my work	13:49
Stskeeps	using qemu-not-7007	13:49
Stskeeps	build might be slow though cos of the bloody flowstops problem	13:50
lbt	I need the config.log from running ./configure - yes? Which is only in the filesystem on that machine AFAIK	13:50
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Stskeeps	i'll have one for you soon	13:52
lbt	OK - ta	13:52
lbt	wasn't sure if you meant me to monitor a dir somewhere :) NP though	13:53
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qwerty12_N800	ello lcuk	14:36
lcuk	hiya qwerty12_N800 \o	14:40
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aquatix	hahaha: http://failblog.org/2009/04/01/product-fail/	14:52
RST38h	It's bacon!	14:54
RST38h	It is April 1st post though	14:55
RST38h	This one is way better though: http://failblog.files.wordpress.com/2009/04/fail-owned-headline-fail.jpg?w=500&h=282	14:56
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lopz	hola	15:11
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wazd	http://s54.radikal.ru/i144/0904/a3/ba07f472fc19.jpg <- Mer	15:17
wazd	Mer's stylus kb :)	15:17
lbt	how well does it work when you rotate the screen	15:18
wazd	lbt: well, that's special mode for portrait input	15:18
wazd	lbt: it will have another layout for landscape	15:19
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lbt	just mentioning it as the maemo one is a bit poor	15:19
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wazd	lbt: hmm, why so?	15:40
aquatix	wazd: wow, that statusbar looks great	15:41
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* aquatix afk again :)		15:41
aquatix	ciao	15:41
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b-man	i managed to get FreeBSD and FreeDOS booted in Mer with qemu on my tablet :D	18:42
b-man	http://www.bman.maemobox.org/projects/mer/screenshots/screenshot01.png	18:42
b-man	http://www.bman.maemobox.org/projects/mer/screenshots/screenshot00.png	18:42
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Stskeeps	crazy :P	18:43
b-man	XD	18:43
* b-man also was successful with NITdroid emmulation with omap2 support		18:44
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b-man	i could literary run Mer in Mer XD	18:45
Stskeeps	yeah, but that's just vaguely insane :P	18:45
Stskeeps	good to know it works though	18:45
b-man	XD	18:45
* b-man admits that he can be a bit crazy XD		18:46
b-man	i'm just too curious for my own good ;)	18:47
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lakin	Are there any good resources for how to setup the SDL main screen and blit to it for optimal performance with the n810?	19:45
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lakin	http://maemo.org/community/wiki/gamedevelopment/ redirects to the main wiki page. :/	19:48
lakin	http://wiki.maemo.org/Game_development works tho	19:50
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GeneralAntilles	UI discussions are so much fun.	20:04
lcuk	where at this time gan	20:04
GeneralAntilles	itT, as usual.	20:04
lcuk	heh	20:05
lcuk	i made a toolbar seedling :) -> http://liqbase.net/liq.20090412_170810.lib.scr.png	20:05
GeneralAntilles	They always come down to everybody's got an opinion (just like assholes) and 10 other assumptions about how they think other people do or should use their devices.	20:05
GeneralAntilles	I don't get what the end-of-the-world fuss is over the stylus.	20:05
lcuk	you are talking to the wrong person	20:06
GeneralAntilles	It's as if they think Nokia's going to magically disallow their silly desktop ports.	20:06
* Stskeeps will be happy as long as he can run Mer on it.		20:06
GeneralAntilles	If the stylus really were going away, they wouldn't be using a resistive panel. ;)	20:06
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lcuk	they havent got a defined stylus on the 97 have they	20:06
lcuk	its a plectrum	20:07
glass	5800 has a stylus. also ships with a plek	20:07
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lcuk	ive only seen the plectrum (nice as it is) its not quite the same for writing with	20:08
glass	the stylus is embedded in the back, slides out(on 5800)	20:08
GeneralAntilles	Really, we just need a stupid product announcement so these people will STFU and go on to bitching about concrete things.	20:09
* lbt reaches into the air, grabs a passing pigeon and plucks a quill to use as a stylus...		20:09
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GeneralAntilles	I like how people keep proposing the context-sensitive UI.	20:09
GeneralAntilles	What a train wreck.	20:09
lcuk	i 100% agree there gan	20:10
GeneralAntilles	That's when you know you can throw their opinion out with the rest of the garbage. ;)	20:10
lcuk	i have nothing against a touch friendly ui - it works nicely with or without stylus	20:10
LinuxCode	lcuk, you dont ride by bus often do you ?	20:11
LinuxCode	;-p	20:11
LinuxCode	travel	20:11
LinuxCode	-ride	20:11
lcuk	LinuxCode, what does that matter - i did more notes on the plane than at any other time	20:11
LinuxCode	plane = smooth	20:11
LinuxCode	bus = bumpy	20:12
GeneralAntilles	I wonder how these people manage to use their devices with a stylus while walking around.	20:12
LinuxCode	GeneralAntilles, haha	20:12
LinuxCode	either way, any of this is pointless	20:12
LinuxCode	nobody here makes the decisions	20:12
mavhc	who uses a device whilst walking?	20:12
LinuxCode	mavhc, me ?	20:12
GeneralAntilles	mavhc, me, but not with a stylus.	20:12
mavhc	more hardware buttons is better, so I can pause/jump back 10 seconds etc my audio files without having to unlock, use the touchscreen, lock	20:13
LinuxCode	all I know is, on the bus the stylus is useful	20:13
glass	GeneralAntilles: 5800 is quite usable with fingers only	20:13
LinuxCode	otherwise it doesnt really matter too much	20:13
VDVsx	I use my phone when I'm riding my bike :)	20:13
glass	i use it in the bus for reading stuff	20:14
GeneralAntilles	glass, as is my N800.	20:14
LinuxCode	I hope the follow on model will still have a keybaord	20:14
LinuxCode	and I hope this time it will have the pipe symbol readily available	20:14
glass	also the touchscreen reacts even if you have gloves on, which is handy if it's subzero outside..	20:14
lcuk	media player == touch friendly == good whilst walking	20:14
lcuk	taking notes == not something you do whilst walking, but usually you use a pen	20:14
LinuxCode	that was my only beef with the n810	20:14
LinuxCode	had to dump a pipe symbol into the ui	20:15
mavhc	none of the media players are that touch friendly, they all use most of the screen for pointless cover art, and then put the pause button right next to the skip track button, and have no rewind 10 seconds button	20:15
VDVsx	glass, if the 5800 had a proper kinetic scroll will be 100 % usable only with finger's, IMO	20:16
LinuxCode	5800 use mameo ?	20:16
VDVsx	s60	20:17
LinuxCode	errm so ehhh	20:17
mavhc	I generally use canola, at least it has the buttons near the edge of the screen that comes first out of the case	20:17
LinuxCode	nvm	20:17
LinuxCode	I was under the impression we were talking about the next N8xx version	20:17
GeneralAntilles	mavhc, powerlaunch for hardware control.	20:17
LinuxCode	I just hope it will be out soon, I need a mobile replacement	20:18
LinuxCode	mine doesnt cut it anymore	20:18
mavhc	I did try to use my phone as a bluetooth keyboard to control it, but it didn't work as the keys were locked, any way around that?	20:18
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glass	VDVsx: the browser part sucks a bit, i hope they get it better	20:19
GeneralAntilles	mavhc, powerlaunch lets you use the hardware keys for input while locked.	20:20
VDVsx	glass, well at least is better than the n8x0 browser in terms of crashes and flash support, but I only use it a bit :)	20:21
mavhc	I'll have a look, thanks	20:21
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VDVsx	glass, I only have complains about the finger scrolling in the main menus, but I don't use the phone as my primary phone :P	20:22
LinuxCode	speaking of flash	20:28
LinuxCode	why havent we seen an update for the browser or flash ?	20:28
LinuxCode	bbc makes my thing slow down and then complain	20:28
Stskeeps	cos noone cares about diablo anymore? :P	20:28
LinuxCode	the official flah image is still diablo though isnt it ?	20:29
GeneralAntilles	According to Mara, they all left Diablo land to work on Fremantle then "forgot the keys" so they can't get back in.	20:32
GeneralAntilles	More Nokia retardation, business as usual.	20:32
GeneralAntilles	Ranting gets you nowhere, being reasonable gets you nowhere, better to look to the future and move on.	20:32
LinuxCode	GeneralAntilles, Fremantle is stable-ish ?	20:32
GeneralAntilles	Not even close	20:33
LinuxCode	i stick to diablo then	20:33
GeneralAntilles	Still in alpha	20:33
LinuxCode	;-}	20:33
LinuxCode	kk	20:33
* GeneralAntilles sighs.		20:33
LinuxCode	why sigh ? hehe	20:33
LinuxCode	you want me to try fremantle ?	20:33
LinuxCode	;-}	20:34
GeneralAntilles	Because I'm tired of Nokia's nonsense.	20:34
LinuxCode	ahh ok	20:34
LinuxCode	ohh btw guys, any of you use gpesynd ?	20:34
LinuxCode	weirdly I get an error with the calendar in msynctool	20:35
GeneralAntilles	I'm wondering who I need to stab repeatedly to get any sort of useful communication on this https://bugs.maemo.org/show_bug.cgi?id=3845	20:35
Stskeeps	GeneralAntilles: bribing whoever runs the update repositories	20:36
LinuxCode	GeneralAntilles, sounds like a lot of disorganization	20:36
LinuxCode	at least the thread reads that way	20:37
LinuxCode	;-\|	20:37
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* GeneralAntilles cooks up an idea for a new blog post series.		20:37
Stskeeps	"Community and vendor interaction"? :P	20:38
lcuk	GeneralAntilles, this change requires all people coordinate and make the changes together. what happens if people just start pushing packages using the new categories? does it break?	20:38
GeneralAntilles	"How Nokia Fucked the Community"	20:38
LinuxCode	maybe its time to fork an off-spring of maemo	20:38
GeneralAntilles	It'll have daily updates.	20:38
LinuxCode	GeneralAntilles, haha	20:38
GeneralAntilles	lcuk, Nokia looks bad.	20:38
lcuk	not really, advertise the new categories, get package maintainers themselves to use them and THEN nokia looks bad	20:39
lcuk	but at the moment, changing them does nothing for nobody	20:39
GeneralAntilles	I was trying to give them the benefit of the doubt and not offload that ugly customer experience onto Nokia	20:39
GeneralAntilles	But it looks like that wasn't the correct choice	20:39
GeneralAntilles	Yes, really.	20:39
GeneralAntilles	What does a customer think when they see a bunch of ugly unlocalized categories in the application manager?	20:40
lcuk	what wasnt? a list of names that ALL package maintainers must follow	20:40
lcuk	this is entire community change	20:40
GeneralAntilles	They sure aint blaming developers.	20:40
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lcuk	they click all like everyone else	20:40
GeneralAntilles	Not telling package developers to make the change before Nokia shipped the necessary updates.	20:40
lcuk	i never know what category is what and never will do	20:40
GeneralAntilles	lcuk, experienced people, perhaps, but the vast majority of average tablet users, no.	20:41
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GeneralAntilles	Where's jeremiah when you need him?	20:41
lcuk	so - lets suppose nokia changed them - do existing packages fall into them, OR, do things end up in the general catchall?	20:41
lcuk	because the packages themselves dont match	20:42
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sampo	hello... is there some fix for slow fremanlte UI on xephyr with intel driver?	20:42
GeneralAntilles	lcuk, you really didn't pay much attention while this was decided, eh?	20:42
GeneralAntilles	Non-valid categories get tossed into "Other"	20:42
GeneralAntilles	Valid categories get pretty, localized strings.	20:42
lcuk	so - will most current packages end up in all?	20:43
lcuk	"other" sorry	20:43
GeneralAntilles	Yes, because I was telling developers to stick with the current valid list until Nokia updated h-a-m.	20:43
lcuk	facepalm	20:43
* qwerty12 hasn't been sticking with the current list		20:44
lcuk	so bitching at nokia to change something which at the moment will make things worse is good?	20:44
GeneralAntilles	lcuk, oh, another silly lcuk discussion.	20:44
* GeneralAntilles is totally not in the mood.		20:44
GeneralAntilles	It's a chicken and the egg problem.	20:44
GeneralAntilles	Something has to change.	20:44
GeneralAntilles	I'd like to avoid doubling the number of useless categories in the mean time, though.	20:45
lcuk	no its not - put bugs against packages in the wrong places	20:45
lcuk	for all packages	20:45
GeneralAntilles	Then people slowly update it and the category list gets 10 times less useful in the mean time.	20:46
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GeneralAntilles	lcuk, don't be silly.	20:46
GeneralAntilles	Please.	20:46
lcuk	no, then we have ammunition to push nokia to change their end	20:46
lcuk	at the moment, it will make it worse	20:46
* GeneralAntilles sighs.		20:46
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GeneralAntilles	I didn't think we needed that ammunition.	20:47
lcuk	sampo, ive not found a fix for it	20:47
GeneralAntilles	Because I figured on Nokia being reasonable.	20:47
lcuk	i thought the packaging list changes were to be pushed to package builders themselves	20:47
GeneralAntilles	Unfortunately that's not the case, so now you're suggesting I do what I just said I was going to do 5 minutes ago? :P	20:47
sampo	lcuk: so with intel driver it is basically impossible to test anything on emulator ?	20:48
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GeneralAntilles	It's a client-side change.	20:48
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GeneralAntilles	Somebody want to go poke _marcell_ to update r.m.o?	20:50
lcuk	sampo, ymmv, ive seen it running at fullspeed on different hardware	20:50
sampo	i have nvidia on my desktop but my laptop has intel gma4500	20:53
lcuk	GeneralAntilles, what if there was a way to automatically fixup the packages in extras to account for the changes. some sort of intermediate list to expidite a transition? essentially a "packagename,category" list which would be looked up in place of the category in the package itself	20:53
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GeneralAntilles	Then we'd have to replace the maintainer lines on all those packages with autobuilder@maemo.org	20:54
lcuk	i do want your changes to go through, but i cannot see it being a benefit at the start	20:54
GeneralAntilles	It's generally considered bad form to play with other people's packages.	20:54
lcuk	how about we kept this outside the packages themselves	20:54
lcuk	just a small db	20:54
GeneralAntilles	It'll be an immediate benefit	20:54
GeneralAntilles	Because the category list wont like like hell.	20:54
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lcuk	sure it will get out of sync quickly, but it will catch all the stale packages	20:54
GeneralAntilles	How can it be outside the package?	20:54
GeneralAntilles	Then you're back to a h-a-m hack.	20:55
lcuk	you need to hack h-a-m anyway dont you	20:55
GeneralAntilles	That's the point though	20:56
GeneralAntilles	There's no hacking h-a-m unless Nokia ships the hacks.	20:56
GeneralAntilles	So whatever we do, we're stuck waiting for Nokia.	20:56
lcuk	but the change suggested so far does no good short term	20:56
GeneralAntilles	Any transitional stuff is pointless and likely to be more harmful in the longterm than it is beneficial in the short.	20:56
GeneralAntilles	Hardly	20:56
GeneralAntilles	The h-a-m patches immediately cleans up the category list.	20:57
GeneralAntilles	and encourages maintainers to get their packages out of Other.	20:57
Stskeeps	and we can't ship an overriding h-a-m through extras can we?	20:57
lcuk	agreed on motivation	20:57
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lcuk	o_O thats an idea lol	20:58
GeneralAntilles	Stskeeps, not unless you want to ruin updates for 95% of tablet users out there.	20:58
GeneralAntilles	No, it's not.	20:58
GeneralAntilles	We can't ship updates to bundled stuff without breaking the whole bundle.	20:58
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Stskeeps	true	21:00
lcuk	we could rename it p-o-r-k :D	21:00
lcuk	technically, theres nothing stopping an alternative package manager gaining traction	21:00
lcuk	just like in other distros a new one emerges which solves the problems of the existing one	21:00
GeneralAntilles	Except that that would be evil	21:01
GeneralAntilles	and user-hostile	21:01
lcuk	of course it wouldnt	21:01
GeneralAntilles	You're not going to get all users to switch managers	21:03
GeneralAntilles	so you're back to square one again with the categories.	21:03
* GeneralAntilles mutters about Tear not being in Extras.		21:03
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GeneralAntilles	Not so impressed with the current release after all the hype.	21:09
Stskeeps	GeneralAntilles: you're aware that the categories are in fact, in the fremantle HAM though?	21:10
GeneralAntilles	Stskeeps, yes, which is almost worse.	21:10
GeneralAntilles	Since maintainers now have to ship two separate sets if they want localized categories in both.	21:10
Stskeeps	ah	21:10
GeneralAntilles	Tear lies about about:blank	21:11
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lcuk	what do the categories on maemo.org do in different countries?	21:12
lcuk	http://maemo.org/downloads/OS2008/	21:12
lcuk	are they shown in same way for everyone?	21:12
GeneralAntilles	maemo.org is not localized.	21:12
lcuk	but people have categorised their apps - seperate from the package	21:12
GeneralAntilles	So?	21:13
lcuk	and somewhere on the maemo.org server is a list of packagename and category?	21:13
GeneralAntilles	No.	21:13
lcuk	yes	21:13
GeneralAntilles	You'd have to patch apt.	21:13
lcuk	its in the database	21:13
GeneralAntilles	This proposal isn't any different from the one you made 20 minutes ago.	21:13
lcuk	but i wouldnt have to patch 9000 individual packages	21:13
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GeneralAntilles	You don't have to patch other people's packages.	21:14
lcuk	no, im following through on that proposal and thinking about the issues ;)	21:14
GeneralAntilles	lcuk, this has been thought about and discussed quite a lot.	21:14
lcuk	and so far i can see a way to automatically categorize all listed packages in maemo in the correct way	21:14
lcuk	can you?	21:14
GeneralAntilles	I know you weren't there for it, but we've already been through all of these ideas. :)	21:14
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qwerty12_N800	the real problem is nokia sitting on their asses wrt diablo	21:16
qwerty12_N800	suggestions are nice, but if they aren't gonna get up, what can we do?	21:16
lcuk	make sure mer is right :)	21:17
lcuk	mer is about reconstructing maemo in the way the community expects.	21:17
zakkm	wooh :)	21:20
RST38h	nothing we can do	21:21
RST38h	not until becomes a fully functional replacement	21:21
* zakkm thinks most users still runs the default stuff + some stuff in extras		21:23
lcuk	i wouldv thought nokia wouldnt be so dumb as to ignore improvments made in mer - if they are compatible with diablo	21:23
RST38h	s//mer	21:23
zakkm	when i bought my nokia n800, the guy didnt reflash it, and he still had OS2007	21:23
lcuk	so if its shown to work there ..	21:23
RST38h	lcuk: you misunderstand	21:23
zakkm	even though diablo was at like 36-_	21:23
RST38h	lcuk: Nokia does not care about improvements to software by third parties	21:24
ShadowJK_	I bought my N800 second hand a few weeks ago, the guy had said it was flashed to latest OS. I found it had chinook :)	21:24
RST38h	lcuk: In fact, it does not even care about its own software, as long as the hardware running it no longer sells	21:24
RST38h	lcuk: The above statements are pretty much axioms from which you can deduce a lots of Nokia behavior	21:25
lcuk	it was (principally) nokia engineers who put together the HE of the upgrades	21:25
RST38h	engineers != nokia	21:25
RST38h	A few guys may help out the users a bit, if it is ot too much time and their manager agrees	21:26
lcuk	show those same people tangible benefits which work on this device and the same should occur	21:26
zakkm	ShadowJK_: curious, how much did you pay?	21:26
lcuk	uptil now the mod that sparked this debate would be mostly futile	21:26
ShadowJK_	zakkm, iirc 90€ (shipping included)	21:27
RST38h	lcuk: They are all working on Fremantle according to management (qgil)	21:27
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lcuk	yes, and so they should - thats their job	21:27
zakkm	ShadowJK_: heh i paid the exact same, but the guy came to where i work	21:27
RST38h	exactly	21:28
lcuk	right now theres no benefit to diving back into code	21:28
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qwerty12_N800	ello johnx	21:28
mavhc	GeneralAntilles: how do I get it out of pocket mode?	21:28
Stskeeps	'lo johnx	21:29
GeneralAntilles	mavhc, don't remember.	21:29
GeneralAntilles	qwerty12_N800 might be able to help, though.	21:29
johnx	allo all	21:29
johnx	got my zaurus working again :D	21:29
Stskeeps	woo :)	21:29
johnx	and have a reasonable x server for it	21:30
lcuk	heh hello johnx, took almost a month to get it working!	21:30
johnx	should probably do some package cleanup then push it :)	21:30
johnx	lcuk: heh. there were some distractions :P	21:30
GeneralAntilles	johnx, so that's what's been sapping up all of your time, eh? ;)	21:30
lcuk	as always, hope all is well	21:30
qwerty12_N800	mahvc, it got messed up somewhere along the versions... i keep mashing buttons until the power menu comes up, press home & hit reload powerlaunch. it's retarded, i know...	21:31
johnx	GeneralAntilles: yeah, the moving was really no big thing (<- horrible lies)	21:31
Stskeeps	johnx: saw the danish weekend stuff btw?	21:31
johnx	Stskeeps: I did. that's at the end of tthis month?	21:31
Stskeeps	johnx: may	21:31
johnx	aaaah, then I'll call it a firm maybe :)	21:32
mavhc	thanks qwerty12_N800, is there a list of what the default settings are?	21:32
qwerty12_N800	it's a little sparse on docs, i'd just recommend to look at the raw config files in /etc/powerlaunch	21:33
johnx	lcuk: yup. going pretty well. i can take a breath again before jumping back into the fray.	21:34
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lcuk	johnx :) libliqbase is on a git server now	21:36
lcuk	let me know if you wanna have a play	21:36
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johnx	I think I'm good with what I've bitten off so far o_o;	21:38
Stskeeps	johnx: nod basically if you want to see if you can get sponsorship, just follow instructions in http://internettablettalk.com/forums/showpost.php?p=278371&postcount=7 - probably better to do sooner than later according to the nokians :P	21:38
lcuk	oh i know that feeling	21:39
* GeneralAntilles sips and shudders.		21:40
GeneralAntilles	Apparently these people don't know the meaning of too much soy.	21:40
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Stskeeps	johnx: #mer , btw	21:45
johnx	Stskeeps: ah, right. on my zaurus here :)	21:46
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GeneralAntilles	X-Fade, ping?	23:17
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Proteous	PING MOFO	23:22
* Proteous ate too many chocolate bunnies		23:22
GeneralAntilles	I wonder how close Nokia's getting to the beta	23:23
GeneralAntilles	They seem to have largely gone quiet.	23:23
Proteous	that's cause I haxored their gibson	23:23
Proteous	you know, the big iron	23:23
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Proteous	I went around to some low security systems and used the backdoor	23:23
Proteous	so to speak	23:24
Proteous	got a little help from Joey	23:24
GeneralAntilles	Gibson Guitar? What, you set it to play the first 4 bars of Smoke on the Water over and over?	23:24
Proteous	he has experience with such things	23:24
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