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lcukVDVsx, you around?00:16
VDVsxlcuk, yup00:17
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lcukqwerty12_N800, where abouts in the fremantle alpha are the icons?02:01
GeneralAntillesSame place as Diablo02:01
GeneralAntillesThere's also a package puttering about in the repo.02:01
lcukim lost in a silly folder tree:02:02
lcuklike this /scratchbox/device_tools/gdb-6.8/02:02
lcukthanks though, thats prob easier02:02
lcukis that basically all the icons used in the entire theme and stuff?02:03
qwerty12_N800theme specific gfx are inside the theme pkg02:03
lcukill just copy of the whole icons folder for now02:04
lcukthanks :D im just having a play with some of the ui "real" ui bits for the config dialogs02:04
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mikkov_qwerty12: midori is not installable because of missing libidn1102:06
lcukGeneralAntilles, ive been having some fun the last couple of weeks with this lot, ive just made this big thing:
lcuk im thinking of having a new background02:07
qwerty12_N800mikkov_: bollocks >.<, I'd thought I'd promoted the required deps. (I can't remember specifying libidn as a Build-Dep anywhere...). Thanks for the heads up, I'll sort it in the morning :)02:08
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lcukhas any application for maemo been written to automatically post into an itt thread?02:11
mikkov_just noticed that crawl is missing a library too...02:11
ds3lcuk: spammer bot that can go anywhere?02:12
qwerty12_N800lcuk, please, itT already has enough spam problems as it is ;)02:12
lcukds3, thinking of the "show off your desktop" thread02:12
lcukliqbase can already upload things to my server, im just pondering making it upload things to itt ;)02:13
GeneralAntilleslcuk, sure, but we'll have to dock you 500 karma points. :P02:22
lcukthats ok, my Thanksbot will soon make up for that :P02:23
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GeneralAntillesStskeeps, Blueman isn't even a good answer. :\03:04
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StskeepsGeneralAntilles: well if hildonized..03:15
GeneralAntillesStskeeps, right now I can't get it to work at all.03:16
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zakkmhow odd05:55
zakkmzak:Downloads zak$ sudo ./flasher-2.0.macosx -F RX-34_2007SE_4.2007.38-2_PR_COMBINED_MR0_ARM.bin -f -R05:55
zakkmsudo: unable to execute ./flasher-2.0.macosx: Bad CPU type in executable05:55
GeneralAntillesIt's corrupted05:59
GeneralAntillesSafari likes to do that sometimes.05:59
zakkmits weird, saved as attachment *RX- ...06:00
zakkmwoooh 2007OS, turned out running 770flasher program made it work .. weird06:01
zakkmthis is for fun, i got everything on my SD card.. ( cloned to sd )06:01
GeneralAntilles770Flasher bundles its own copy.06:01
zakkmof flasher?06:02
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zakkmwhat the06:03
zakkmno connections avaliable, for wifi?06:03
zakkmlol 2007OS has more brightness levels than diablo06:04
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GeneralAntillesYou're not using Advanced Backlight?06:07
matt___I'm looking for a "bash" command that will do the same as clear for my nokian810. I want to clear stuff.06:07
matt___in terminal I mean.06:07
zakkmi am, its just funny the default06:07
GeneralAntillesOS2008 forgot about the N80006:08
GeneralAntillesand the N810 has a light sensor to help with brightness.06:08
zakkmi dont find this any slower?06:08
GeneralAntillesIt's a fresh system06:08
zakkmim sure if i run normal apps, it will change though06:09
GeneralAntillesFresh systems are always faster than ones bogged down by 50 suspect packages.06:09
zakkmits linux, thats not suppose to happen06:09
zakkm2007 repository still strong?06:09
GeneralAntillesSays who?06:09
GeneralAntillesWhat Linux says is that you don't need to reboot every day to keep it running decently06:10
zakkmnot like package adding, i just meant stable wise and such06:10
zakkmit still works and all?06:10
zakkmyou just restart X :)06:10
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zakkmbut windows does indeed get bloated overtime, what bloats linux over time06:10
matt___in terminal, how can I clear the screen?06:12
zakkmGeneralAntilles: is the battery life lower in 770?06:12
zakkmlike noticeably?06:12
GeneralAntilles770 doesn't implement a lot of the powersaving features that are available on OS2008.06:12
zakkmoh sorry i meant 2007OS06:13
GeneralAntillesmatt___, I don't know if there's a way by default.06:13
zakkmnot 770 nokia06:13
zakkmmatt_ clr06:13
Proteoustype clear?06:13
GeneralAntillesYes, OS2007 doesn't implement cpufreq or anything like that.06:13
GeneralAntillesProteous, don't think that's bundled with Busybox06:13
zakkmwould i still get an alright battery life?06:13
zakkmi want to stick with 2007 heh06:14
zakkmand then jump to mer, when i think its ready06:14
Proteouspress enter like 20 times?06:14
fireunat some point... when ever that is06:14
GeneralAntillesOS2007 sucks.06:14
zakkmfor what i do, i dont think its bad06:15
GeneralAntillesIt's slower, the software is old and buggy, and it has a lot fewer features.06:15
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zakkmbattery life will annoy me06:16
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zakkmold and buggy, i havent had a crash yet, or seen a crash much in maemo at all06:16
zakkmonly way is if you check logs ;p06:16
zakkmwhats mistral?06:16
zakkmis that safe to use on 2007os?06:16
GeneralAntillesNot API-compatible.06:17
zakkmits in gronmayers 2007OS repo list06:17
fireunhah, michael j fox did a cameo on rescue me, bitchin.06:17
fireunzakkm: are you still arguing os choice?06:17
zakkmahh can os2007 be cloned to SD?06:18
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fireunguys, let it go - run whatever works for ya, until you run something else.06:18
zakkmfireun : no ive decided on 2007 , and then im going to jump to mer.. but i havent used 2007 in soo long, so i m asking GA for help, as im doing stuff06:18
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fireundoesnt look like you're getting the help you're looking for... (:06:19
zakkmyeah i am?06:19
fireunGeneralAntilles: nothing personal (:06:19
zakkm"is that safe for 2007os" "OS 2006 , not api-compatible "06:19
fireunzakkm: ok, as you were then.06:19
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zakkm"would i get a alright battery" " 2007 doesnt implement alot of powersaving features that are avaliable on os2008"06:19
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zakkmfireun: whats your favourite?06:20
zakkmby UI that is06:20
zakkmUI / look06:20
zakkmnot talknig speed or anything06:20
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zakkmon the nokia, whats your favourite UI06:20
fireunfireun: OS de jur06:21
fireunzakkm: 2007 for stability, 2008 for wizbang06:21
zakkmOS er jur?06:21
zakkmi was counting mer ui, ubuntu ui , e17 one and all06:21
fireunbut 2008 sucks battery unless I manually select offline mode when I put the shell back on06:21
GeneralAntillesfireun, 770 != N80006:21
fireunGeneralAntilles: ?06:22
GeneralAntillesOS2008 is more stable than OS2007 on OMAP2 hardware06:22
zakkmi personaly think the 770 looks better than the n800.06:22
zakkmthe actual tablet06:22
zakkmand the n810 beats them both06:22
fireunI'll be aiming to try mer, but at this point want android compatibility for the future app selection06:22
fireunso, hard to say until I try em all out06:22
zakkmGeneralAntilles: would a repo for basic games be alright if its mistral?06:23
fireunI like the shell of the 77006:23
zakkmjust battlegweled and stuff06:23
zakkmandroid , i didnt think of that06:23
GeneralAntillesIt's not API-compatible.06:24
zakkmis it possible to update 2007OS browser?06:24
zakkmso it wont work at all?06:24
zakkmim not going to be developing for it, it must be in 2007OS choices for a reason wouldnt it?06:24
zakkmi love adding all repos06:24
fireunGeneralAntilles: well whats the point then?06:24
zakkmand then going through all the packages :)06:24
zakkmdoes anyone use claw-mail on nokia?06:25
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fireunseriously, wtf, why wouldnt nitroid be api compatible with android? you lose the whole point otherwise06:26
zakkmi think he was talking about mistral and me adding repo, not android06:27
fireunlets hope so.06:27
zakkmnitdroid would of been good if it had sound and dsp :p06:28
zakkmproper onscreen keyboard too06:28
zakkmfireun: what tablet you own?06:28
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zakkmGeneralAntilles: When i select side menu , theres a weird constant delay, is that cpu related or is there a delay field in gconf?06:29
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fireunConnecticut public university?06:40
zakkmwow just installed theme-os06 .. they didnt look half bad06:41
fireunChaos Prorogation Uncertainty?06:42
zakkmhey GeneralAntilles: do you know how i can view my iCal calendar on nokia?06:44
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zakkmGeneralAntilles: This is so perfect :)07:38
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RST38hmoo all08:02
zakkmRST38h: isnt 2007OS awesome? :)08:03
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RST38hzakkm: How would I know? Running OS2008 here08:05
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zakkmi downgraded :)08:06
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zakkmwhen i enter my user and password in opera ( 2007OS) it says scope "this page only" .. whats scope?09:04
Proteousdamn, you've discovered my password stealing script09:05
Proteousnew I should have done more testing09:05
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Proteousjust means what pages it will autofill that password on09:05
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zakkmProteous: oh sweet, thanks09:27
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konttori_has anyone tried making a music player on top of MAFW yet?09:46
MacerSunOS alicia 5.11 NexentaOS_20081207 i86pc i386 i86pc Solaris09:47
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thuxsometimes mediaplayer sayz stream not supported sometimes it just plays it? (yle arena wmv)10:00
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thuxis there a mplayer plugin for microb browser?10:02
zakkmthux: never seen it/heard of one for microb10:03
zakkmthux: you google'd ?10:03
zakkmthux: <-- what you want10:03
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GeneralAntilleskonttori_, no, but I bet you'd get more bites if you shipped out some sneaky peak hardware. ;)10:16
konttori_GeneralAntilles: oh, I was just planning to convert ukmp today to use mafw for playback10:17
konttori_and just wondered if anyone had tried it for playback use10:17
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lcukmornin konttori_ \o10:36
konttori_lcuk: morning10:36
konttori_I'm just uploading 'last diablo version' of ukmp10:37
konttori_and then moving to convert ukmp to use tracker and mafw.10:37
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Stskeepssounds like a sane decision10:37
konttori_I already tested ukmp last week on the device. Onl needed to fix about 10 lines to get it working in fremantle10:38
konttori_but music playback was not working10:38
konttori_as fremantle does not have the osso-media-server10:38
lcukseems reasonable to me :D10:38
lcukare you still locked into rotated oreintation?10:39
lcuk+correct spelling10:39
konttori_lcuk: yeah.10:40
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konttori_well, I haven't updated ukmp lately at all, except to fix that it now uses osso-media-server so that playback quality is a bit better than with just direct playbin call10:40
konttori_but the diablo autobuilder is not working atm10:41
lcukplayback quality itself improves? :D10:41
lcuksuper library to the rescue!10:41
konttori_well, osso-media-server seems to have 'optimal' settings10:41
lcukcheck qwerty isnt building something lol10:42
konttori_and I don't really have the patience to find out the optimal settings.10:42
lcukagreed there10:42
lcukhas the snow gone yet10:42
konttori_ah. mtdos was building in diablo queue10:42
konttori_lcuk: yeah. snow is totally gone10:42
lcukgood, maybe now england will start to get warmer too !10:43
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konttori_lcuk: have you been working on clutter yet?10:48
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konttori_I'm kind of pondering whether I would do my next project on pyclutter, or on qgraphicsview.10:48
konttori_and as c++ app or as python app.10:48
thuxzakkm: thanks10:57
zakkmthux: your welcome :)!10:58
zakkmthux: google is your friend,  i googled mplayer-plugin maemo. and it was the first link.10:58
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lcukkonttori_, c++ is a lovely language, if used right, you should gain nice access to the qt libraries as well ;)10:59
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lcukmornin qwerty12 \o10:59
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qwerty12ello lcuk10:59
thuxyeah should ask google first :)10:59
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lcukyou havin a lazy day today qwerty or are you upto stuff11:00
* lcuk is gonna eat lots of chocolate and put up with people fixing his roof11:00
qwerty12No, finally packaging the installer I'd made for stskeeps for a battery monitor11:01
lcukkc battery mon?11:01
lcukor the one you found but needed a tweak from11:02
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qwerty12Nah, the one that requires a closed source component :)11:03
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aquatixgood moaning11:03
Stskeepsmorning aquatix11:03
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* lcukx41 hears banging on the roof :O11:36
GeneralAntillesRoof repair is the worst.11:36
GeneralAntillesIt's like you're living in an aquarium or something.11:37
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GeneralAntillesPeople crawling past the windows outside11:37
lcukget that anyway downstairs lol11:37
GeneralAntillesWalking, pounding, and tapping on the roof all day.11:37
lcukmost shocking we had was at work one day (3rd floor)  suddenly someone appeared at my window11:38
lcuki almost shat myself11:38
RST38hSounds like a typical day in our building11:39
RST38hExcept here they seemingly use dentist drills on the walls11:39
aquatixlcuk: so since then, you don't watch pr0n at work anymore?11:44
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zakkmthe new terminator ep, theres someone in it that looks like someone i knew from work not more than a month ago11:53
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aquatixzakkm: haha11:56
aquatixalways fun those lookalikes11:56
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aquatixi sometimes have it the other way around11:57
aquatixthat i see someone on the street and i think `hey i know that guy! oh wait, from $series...'11:57
zakkmits weird cause she just changed her hair color11:57
zakkmbut soo identical, i really think its her11:58
zakkmaquatix: not even a lookalike, its an extra11:58
zakkmlike 2min for just this particular episode11:59
aquatixheh :)11:59
aquatixan ex colleague of mine sometimes figures in advertisments12:00
aquatixeven on tv12:00
aquatixthat's kinda weird too :)12:00
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zakkmthis is going to suck cause ill neve rget to ask her12:04
zakkmshe quit, and then i did12:04
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RST38hWhat if you start seeing people in StarTrek red shirts on the street?12:05
RST38hIs it a good sign or a bad sign?12:05
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zakkmbad :)12:06
RST38hAh, another iPhone thread on iTT12:07
lcukx41its a good sign RST38h, as long as your wardrobe isnt overly red ;)12:10
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RST38hlcuk: Yea, that is what I figured12:20
RST38hlcuk: Look for a mirror, check your own shirt, if it is red, RUN THE HELL AWAY while you still can12:20
* zakkm only wears black shirts, thinks hes safe :)12:20
RST38hzakkm: That makes you a Steve Jobs wannabe though12:20
RST38h*Especially* if it is turtlenecks12:21
zakkmI do run Mac OSX :)12:21
RST38hSee? Tolya12:21
zakkmand am a fanboy12:21
zakkmand honestly, who doesnt want to be a steve jobs?12:21
zakkmwhat kind of statement is that12:21
zakkmlast i checked, he had a good life12:21
glasswho would want to be steve jobs?12:21
glasshe's a douchebag12:21
glassa good life just depens on your standards12:22
zakkmyeah but if your him, you would change things12:22
RST38hgiven that the guy has got cancer, I am not sure there is a good answer to this question12:22
glasszakkm: if i were him, i would be him, not me in his body overnight or shit like that12:22
zakkmat a later age in his life, and cancer could be cured in time12:22
lcukx41its ok, im sure steve jobs is refactoring his own dna coding so he can just switch to intel or something12:23
RST38hIn unrelated news, anyone is interested in ATI85 source code?12:23
zakkmlcukx41: whats with the x41?12:23
glasswhats ati85?12:23
lcukx41x41 lenovo tabletpc12:23
zakkmgraphing calculator model 83 .12:23
RST38hShould I release the sources or should I use time for something more useful?12:23
zakkm83 is the main one used for school12:23
zakkmRST38h: found it odd, before i went to OS2007 .. i had them all. but when updated it was only 85 , not 83?12:24
glasswhats different between ati-85 and ti85 then? i used to have ti8512:24
lcukx41release if its not a hassle, but you are working on it12:24
zakkmglass: NOTHING12:24
zakkma = artifical12:24
glass'kay then12:24
zakkmartitical TI.12:24
zakkmor something12:24
zakkmalmost real TI ?12:24
zakkmglass: never seen the app?12:24
zakkmits a screenshot of the calculator... with fully working buttons12:24
glasszakkm: the emu? yeah, but i'm not that intrested. it's just a calculator :)12:25
lcukx41RST38h: my view on source is that on the whole if its an active codebase then its less of a problem12:25
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RST38hlcuk: Ok, so nobody cares, in all practicality12:25
zakkmRST38h: can you releaseit for OS2007?12:25
RST38hzakkm: starting with 1.3, the model seleciton is done through a menu12:25
zakkmwhat happened to TI-83 one?12:25
zakkmwish i knew that in class12:26
RST38hzakkm: And no, I cant release it for OS200712:26
zakkmi updated im like ohh crap i gotta use a real calculator now12:26
RST38hPress FullScreen button and then select ti8312:26
zakkmno dependencies on OS2007?12:26
zakkmwhy do you call it ATI85 then?12:27
zakkmif its all of them, that confused me12:27
zakkmTI Calculators12:27
zakkmor something12:27
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zakkmnice job on it too, showed it to some people they were impressed12:28
zakkmim like yo check out my touchscreen graphic calculator12:28
zakkm(grade 12 classes)12:28
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lcukx41zakkm: what did the iphonecrowd retaliate with12:54
lcukx41or did a friend show you a real original ti calc :P12:55
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astar0thi 've receive a n810 and i've questions about it13:35
astar0thi saw we can upgrade the firmware, their is many version.13:36
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astar0thcan i safely upgrade with the 5.2008.43-7  version ?13:37
Stskeepsyes, i think it's the latest one13:37
astar0thoh and i 've install the SDK13:38
astar0thunfortunatelly i'm on gentoo and i've some probleme to find xephyr X server13:39
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b0unc3good morning13:47
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ssvbastar0th: google "gentoo xephyr" -> Gentoo users compile x11-base/xorg-server with USE=”kdrive”13:52
crazy_im1is there already a new kernel version ported for the n810?13:53
Stskeepscrazy_im1: there's a GSoC project to bring it fully up to date13:56
Stskeepswell, or hopefully going to be one13:56
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crazy_im1is a lot of uniq stuff in the kernel?14:00
ssvbcrazy_im1: do you have a strong urge to run a new kernel?14:00
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crazy_im1ssvb: just thinking about making a openwrt target for the n81014:01
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ssvbcrazy_im1: new kernels are somewhat working, at least you can boot them to a shell14:02
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Stskeepsssvb: btw, the problem with people's screens scrolling isn't a sw/X problem at least, probably a loose wire or something (mine ran into it as well)14:03
ssvbcrazy_im1: ensuring that they don't have new bugs, no functionality is broken and you can boot and run full maemo system is harder14:03
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lbthello gnuton :D14:25
gnutonhei Daviid :D14:25
lbtare you going to copenhagen at end May?14:26
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mattIn the terminal on my nokia n810, please tell me there is a way I can clear the screen.15:51
mattStskeeps: It doesn't work for me.15:52
Stskeepseh. :P15:52
GnutOnMobilelbt: no. I'll be in helsinki15:52
tank-manpress enter a few times :)15:52
matttank-man: You talking to me? Yeah...I'm wanting to use clear in a bash command.15:53
tank-manyea i just tried "clear" not there15:54
matttank-man: I know...and I really want it to be. sudo apt-get install clear :)15:54
tank-manmaybe if you have a debian chroot setup, you can just copy the "clear" binary over with out any compiling15:56
matttank-man: Possibly...not sure. Could work.15:57
matttank-man: Do you think an ubuntu install would provide the right clear?15:58
tank-manyou have an ubuntu installed on your n810 ?\15:58
matttank-man: No no....on my server. It is i386 though, so probably not.15:59
aquatixmatt: or do ctrl+l15:59
aquatixthat's a shortcute for the `clear' command15:59
tank-manim not too familiar with apt-get but maybe you can get a armel binary for clear from your ubuntu server15:59
mattaquatix: Can I do that in a bash file?15:59
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aquatixwhat shell do you use btw?16:00
aquatixas i seem to have `clear' on ubuntu16:00
aquatixin bash16:00
tank-manif this is for a small shell script, the ugly hack is to "echo " empty lines a couple times16:00
mattaquatix: I'm talking about on maemo terminal.16:00
matttank-man: True. But not what I want.16:01
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aquatixmatt: ah, `clear' indeed doesn't work in maemo term16:01
mattaquatix: tank-man Can you check on your nokia n810 and see if you have a /usr/bin/clear , because I do, but I had to chmod +x it, and it still doesn't work.16:01
tank-mannot there16:02
aquatixand not here too16:02
matttank-man: aquatix That's odd. perhaps I accidently copied before I copied :)16:02
aquatixmaybe you can put ^l in the script16:02
aquatixnot sure that works though16:02
aquatixor type a ctrl+v+ctrl+l or something16:03
mattaquatix: dunno, probably not, but does ctrl+l work in n810?16:03
tank-manctl+l works for me16:03
mattso what does it do?16:03
aquatixwhat it should  do, clear the terminal :)16:04
mattaquatix: tank-man I mean, it is just a substitute for the full command isn't it?16:04
tank-manor ctrl+l could be the terminal emulator im using (konsole on my desktop)16:04
aquatixyeah, except that the `clear' command isn't found, but ctrl+l works16:04
aquatixthis is on the device itself16:04
mattaquatix: I'm just suggesting that perhaps it is something other than clear.16:04
mattlets see if it works over ssh.16:04
mattyes, i was on my desktop ssh'd into my nokia, and it worked.16:05
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aquatixcls or whatever doesn't seem to work too16:07
Stskeepsbusyboxism probably16:07
mattaquatix: I know, but the fact that ctl+l works makes me think I can get it to work.16:08
Stskeepsjust do what clear does :P16:08
mattStskeeps: What?16:08
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Stskeepsas in, busybox not having 'clear'16:10
mattStskeeps: Well do you know what I can do about it?16:11
Stskeepscurs_clear could probably be a way, through curses16:12
mattStskeeps: not found.16:13
Stskeepsyeah, but i was talking of a C function :P16:14
mattStskeeps: I don't quite follow.16:14
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juergbimatt: are you looking for something like this? echo -n -e "\033[2J\033[0;0f"16:18
juergbi(terminal escape codes to clear screen and position cursor at 0, 0)16:18
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aquatixjuergbi: that looks useful16:18
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lcukVDVsx, how many hours away is the meeting, im shit with clocks and mine keep varying between +-2hours16:27
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mattjuergbi: I love you. I could techincally create a bash script with that in it and then name it as "clear" and place it in /usr/bin/ couldn't i?16:29
juergbimat: sure. i haven't tested it with the maemo terminal, but i don't see why it shouldn't work there16:30
mattjuergbi: It worked beautifully. Thanks.16:31
mattIs there a way to check the physical status of a cd tray? example, type command, it tells you whether it is opened or closed?16:33
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tank-manmaybe "eject"16:37
matttank-man: I use eject to eject the cd's but I don't think it'll tell the status.16:37
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tank-manyou have that eject script bound to a physical key on a keyboard ?16:39
matttank-man: No, I've written a simple bash script so I can hit 1 2 3 4 depending on whether I want to open or close scd0 or scd116:40
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VDVsxlcuk, 3h 5m :)16:55
VDVsxlcuk, you are in UTC+1 right ? :)16:56
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Stskeepswhat meeting? :P16:58
Stskeepsis it the copenhagen developer meeting happening this weekend that the newspapers talked about? ;p16:58
VDVsxyes :) ehheeh, GSoC meeting16:58
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wazdhello world17:01
RST38hhello wazd17:01
Stskeepshello wazd17:01
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worldhello wazd17:09
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RST38hBandai's Project A.i.R. is a $525 blue grid that blows up17:16
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lcukVDVsx, thanks, 6pm my time then17:35
VDVsxlcuk, Yes, I'm in the same timezone :)17:36
lcukVDVsx, ive had no end of conflicts with my clocks the last couple of weeks17:37
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lbtgnuton: yell when you're around...17:56
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lcuklbt, wont he have to eat much more before he is a round?17:58
lbthe's italian - he's probably oval already17:58
lcukmore than likely17:59
lbtphew - just looking at how svn does branches ... scary ... especially when the source is Qt!18:00
lcukim quite impressed with git now i am using it18:02
lcuki was afraid of losing updates and things18:02
lcukbut knowing i do keep a complete local repo even thou i push and merge with the server is a great comfort :)18:03
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lbtgit stash18:04
lbtand yes the safety it offfers is huge18:05
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* konttori_ successfully moved ukmp to use the new album art thumbnailing model as described in
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* RST38h wonders if he should try UKMP18:13
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RST38hOsso Player is too dumb, Canola too heavy, MediaBox too buggy18:15
aquatixRST38h: well, just try :)18:15
aquatixit's only 600KB18:15
lcukRST38h, you should, its another portrait app :)18:18
konttori_RST38h: well, you can try it out. I just updated the diablo version18:21
konttori_I modified it to do the portrait app to see how nicely portrait works for music player type of cases, where you have long lists18:21
konttori_scanlining looks a bit bad in the 'old' devices (except 770) when portrait mode is used18:23
konttori_on the bright side, it's not an issue in the 'new' devices.18:23
konttori_or so I'm guessing...18:23
aquatixit scanlines a bit while scrolling album art18:25
aquatixquite a bit18:25
aquatixon n81018:25
konttori_yeah. on 770 it's better18:25
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disco_stuis there rotation for 43-7?18:42
RST38hkonttori: you are using dbus to send commands to osso media player or mplayer?18:43
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konttori_RST38h: in diablo?18:48
konttori_I'm calling osso-media-serv to playback music18:48
konttori_(on the latest version 1.86)18:49
RST38hthen it will have the same sync problems as the other python based players =(18:49
konttori_on all previous versions it has been calling gst directly18:49
konttori_RST38h: what problems?18:49
konttori_I switched to osso-media so that there would be no problems18:49
RST38hkonttori: playback getting stuck in play mode, even after the player is quit18:49
konttori_RST38h: Um. Hmm... I think I stop playing when I quit.18:50
RST38hkonttori: So does the MediaBox guy18:50
konttori_it's just a matter of calling stop() before quitting18:50
RST38hOnly, apparently, not all dbus messages come through and get handled by the player18:50
konttori_ah. crap.18:50
RST38hCanola guys have got even more problems wit mplayer18:50
konttori_really? mplayer rocks and it's rock solid. why would you have probs with it?18:51
RST38hWell, try playing a file or a stream, then switching to a different screen18:51
RST38hQuite often, it will continue showing mplayer overlay18:51
RST38hIf you do play.pause multiple times on a stream, it will usually get stuck in some state where the stream is not playing but canola thinks it is18:52
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pcdso1Can I install os2007 applications on os2008?18:57
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tank-manpcdso1, sure but problems can happen19:01
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ShadowJKcorruption when switching window in mplayer can be fixed by using vo xv instead of omapfb19:04
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pcdso1thanks tank-man19:05
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konttori_Hmm.. looks like pygame in fremantle is not able to open png or jpg images.19:06
RST38hShadow: It is not corruption. Mplayer continues playing19:07
lcukkonttori_, thats a bit of a shitter19:07
RST38hShadow: It is basically not getting a message from Canola to stop19:07
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konttori_lcuk: it was able to do that some days ago when I tested ukmp on the device19:08
lcukperhaps its a different issue then? location of media or path specified not correct?19:09
lcukor a bad regression bug19:09
lcuk"error removed media loading capabilities"19:09
RST38hah shit, this laptop no longer allows me to set 320x240 screen mode19:09
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lcukwhy cant i make my n810 do wake on lan19:18
qwerty12I was gonna say that it's probably easier to make your router do it but then I remembered.19:19
lbtlcuk: do you mean send a WoL ?19:19
tank-manwake on lan is old, the future is mind reading devices like this
Stskeepslcuk: receive is bloody difficult. send is easier19:20
lcukheh no, i mean wake my n810 up when i need it over the network19:20
lbtyou need the mouse-trap game19:20
* lcuk DOES understand the difficulties with implemtning such a thing over wifi19:20
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lbtmy GPS device does wake-on-bluetooth... wonder if that's easier?19:21
lcuk:D robot computer - get an old desktop opening and closing its drawer as required19:21
tank-manmouse trap setup lol19:21
lcukthats quite a good feature lbt19:21
tank-manmy gps wakes on bt too if its not in logging mode19:22
tank-manqstarz bt-q 100019:24
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konttori_who is handling the python packages in fremantle?20:27
Stskeepsanderson lizardo, openbossa20:28
Stskeeps(at indt), i think20:28
konttori_Wed Apr 8 15:34:04 EEST 2009 was integrated to fremantle a version of pygame that doesn't support png images.20:28
konttori_ok, thanks.20:29
konttori_andrei1089: sorry, wrong channel: are you handling python packages in maemo?20:29
konttori_(see above)20:30
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konttori_pygame.image.get_extended returns False20:33
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edbartoshVDVsx: hi, have I missed GSoC meeting?20:36
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RST38hkonttori: libgif is way more convenient than libpng =)20:43
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konttori_RST38h: lol. Anyway, I copied diablo version of pygame to the fremantle and it worked just fine20:46
konttori_(even on the device)20:46
RST38hwhat device???20:47
RST38hplease, elaborate starting from this point =020:47
Stskeepsthe day even RST38h started being intensely curious about next device :>20:48
RST38hCuriosity killed the cat (i.e. you have to be curious *sneakely*(20:50
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* konttori_ would really like to comment more, but alas, cannot. 20:56
RST38htranslation: it is NOT a Beagle board20:56
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konttori_oh, definitely not.20:57
konttori_however, that would also be nice to have.20:57
konttori_although, I would probably rather have the nvidia chipset that is capable of fullhd so that I could jack that to my video projector to serve as a media center.20:58
RST38hyou will still have problems decoding20:58
konttori_well, with hardware decoder, that should not be an issue21:00
RST38hgiven the current zoo of video encoding formats, the only thing that guarantees decent playback is a fast general purpose cpu21:00
RST38h(NOT an Atom :))21:00
ShadowJKMy atom almost does 1080p h264 :)21:01
ShadowJKbut almost doesn't count :)21:01
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konttori_RST38h: hmmpph. I'm not entirely sure about that. DSPs these days have really good support for stream decoding. software only has to jack out the container stuff.21:01
ShadowJK(dualcore version of atom)21:01
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* RST38h knows that his 2.4GHz P4 does not do 1080p well21:01
konttori_inside, content tends to be in only a handful of codeks (and their few variants)21:01
RST38hkonttori: the latter is not true unfortunately21:02
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ShadowJKYeah, mplayer with nvidia's vdpau in linux plays practically all formats of h26421:02
RST38hkonttori: you would be surprised to see what goes around in our communal net21:02
* konttori_ has no idea what goes on in there21:02
* RST38h especially hates Matroska 21:02
konttori_and has only a few times cursed that his 360 does not support mkv21:03
RST38hWhoever came up with this crappy container format has to be crucified21:03
ShadowJKmatroska isn't a codec21:03
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RST38hShadow: Who cares? You still need to decode it during playback21:03
konttori_but, mkv internally usually has h264 of mp421:03
ShadowJKYeah what konttori says21:03
konttori_RST38h: you don't need to decode mkv.21:03
ShadowJKWell you do, but the overhead is minimal21:03
RST38hkonttori: I do, in order to get to formats it encapsulates21:03
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konttori_you just need to look at which point the actual stream starts and then you send that to the decoder.21:04
RST38hShadow: That is what you say. Unfortunately, the "matroska splitter" drops dframes like crazy and crashes when I try to rewind21:04
RST38h+ there are "open source" people encoding their audio (and sometimes video) with Ogg21:05
ShadowJKOh yeah, theora is something that probably has no hw decoder21:05
RST38hMay hungry penguins feast on their steaming guts...21:05
konttori_yeah, probably won't have for many years to come21:05
ShadowJKI will temporarily forgive matroska for all its ugly because atleast it isn't ogg21:06
RST38hOne is worth another21:06
RST38hAnd I have not even got to subtitle encodings...21:06
RST38hAnyways, just pointing out that specialized DSP will leave too many bases uncovered21:07
konttori_mkv is the best container ever21:07
konttori_(well, probably mpe7 will be better)21:07
* RST38h glares at konttori 21:07
ShadowJKI'm not convinced mpeg is able to make a container format that isn't so complex and comittee-designed that every implementation ends up incompatible with every other implementation..21:08
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ShadowJKlike mxf..21:08
RST38hkonttori: [bleah] it is XML [bleah]21:08
ShadowJKmkv is xml ;-)21:09
konttori_Shadow__X: true! I agree that it's going to be a monster (mpeg7)21:09
* RST38h goes to the restroom NOW.21:09
RST38hThey should delegate standards design to Chinese.21:10
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ShadowJKI think mkv is going to be the most "usable" for quite some time forward, until a sufficient amount of people have both been able to obtain, and able to agree on how to read the upcoming mpeg7 spec, and agreed on a common subset of useful things, because the whole thing is probably going to be too monstrous, kinda like the whole of mpeg4 being too monstrous for anyone to ever have implemented all of it (3D facial textures anyone?)21:10
RST38hWho will actually come up with a practical standard they (and everybody else) can use21:10
RST38hShadow: MKV is supported by exactly 1 (one) piece of software and even that support is crashy21:11
ShadowJKRST38h, Oh yeah, that's another thing that any mainstream DSP/GPU wont do in hardware, CAVC (Chinese AVC, codec developed with more focus on CPU friendlieness than h264)21:11
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RST38hActually, Theora can be classified the same21:12
ShadowJKYou know, MPlayer contains two different implementations of matroska... It used to have 3, but support for using the official libmatroska was removed at some point :)21:12
ShadowJKIt's interesting to note that Nvidia's VDPAU GPU-decode acceleration doesn't seem to support mpeg4 ASP..21:14
ShadowJKVIA's GPUs do support that iirc21:14
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RST38hShadow: I have no bile left to spew, please stop! =)21:18
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ShadowJKRST38h, mpeg7 will probably include java and silverlight21:22
RST38hAnd they will use XSL as splitter?21:23
ShadowJKThere will be 9-level deep wrapping in the form of <data format="MS PROPRIETARY" encoding="BASE64">ABADASDKJNFEWE</data>21:25
RST38hyes, that is what I expected21:26
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lbtand the docs will say "see implementation for spec"21:26
RST38hThe video stream will be encoded in ASCII MIME and formatted to 65 characters per line21:26
GeneralAntillestank-man, OS2007 and OS2008 are not API compatible.21:26
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RST38hwith XML tags around it for neatness21:27
* ShadowJK is guessing N900 will have hw-accelerated h263, h264, mpeg4, wmv, mp3, aac21:27
* ShadowJK wouldn't be surprised if it has bluecore7 :D21:27
RST38hShadow: who cares? better tell if it will have a dpad21:27
lbtShadowJK: congrats - you won a prize!21:27
GeneralAntillesShadowJK, audio wont be accelerated.21:27
ShadowJKoh :-(21:27
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RST38hGan: Ummm, why?21:28
GeneralAntillesThe DSP is doing video acceleration.21:28
ShadowJKIt can't do two things at once?21:28
* lbt wants accelerated audio... soup dragon effect....21:28
GeneralAntillesThe CPU handles audio, the DSP handles video.21:28
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ShadowJKaw, now how am I going to decode those juicy 1080p h264 with 8 channel flac21:29
GeneralAntillesD1 is about the limit for h.264 with the DSP21:29
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RST38hShadow: Get a ULV ia3221:29
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RST38hShadow: the mobile version with the huge cache21:29
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GeneralAntillesI wonder what the potential powersaving might be decoding audio dsp-side when you're not dealing with any video.21:44
Pavlovprobably pretty good21:44
Pavlovdoing audio on the cpu is going to be expensive even if its only using 10%21:45
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ShadowJKheh, compare mplayer vs default player on N8x0?21:46
GeneralAntillesIs it more expensive than keeping the CPU on to feed the DSP, though?21:46
GeneralAntillesShadowJK, OMAP3's powersaving architecture is a lot different from OMAP2's.21:47
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zakkmlcukx41: nobody has a real TI-83, well none i showed they use the non-graphing one. and the guy thought it was cool, still prefered his ipod though22:02
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lakinSo, I have a program compiling and running in the scratchbox.  Now I want to try it out on the device itself.  I had hoped that if I compiled for the ARMEL target that I could just copy the files over and run them, but no such luck.  Any tutorials on this part of the process?22:59
Stskeepsthat is usually the way to do it - library dependancy maybe?23:00
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lcuklakin, what error is it coming up with when you copy it over23:02
lakinlcuk: ha!  Got it.  couldn't chmod the excutable on the drive where I put it, switch it's location and it's working23:03
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* RST38h FOUND A BUG!23:33
RST38hIn SMLAL!23:33
Stskeepssmlal? :P23:34
Stskeeps.. better not be anything to deal with Standard ML23:34
ssvbStskeeps: it's ARM instruction23:36
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ssvbRST38h: a bug in emulator or in silicon or in documentation?23:36
RST38hemlator, fortunately23:37
RST38hSilicon would be WAY more expensive to fix :)23:37
RST38hHaving said that, the bug came down to two characters in 2000+ lines of assembly, so it was almost as bad as silicon23:38
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