IRC log of #maemo for Friday, 2009-04-10

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GeneralAntillesWho else thinks it's rice pudding time?00:17
JaffaI think it's post-Heroes sleep time00:17
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lcukme, providing you put a blob of jam in the middle00:17
lcukjaffa, you drunk all your milk and done some burps?00:17
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GeneralAntillesBleh, milk's bad.00:18
GeneralAntillesGotta go to the grocery store tomorrow00:19
GeneralAntillesAbout half the stuff on my list is buy-one-get-one-free.00:19
lcukBOGOF offers are evil things00:19
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lcuki always come back with stuff i never intended00:21
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lcukbut i have twice as much crap!00:21
lcuklack of a decent shopper application00:21
lcukneeds to be tied with the fridget n8x000:22
* qwerty12_N800 gets the popcorn00:22
lcukand scan things00:22
lcukhopefully after summer everything will be together :)00:23
* lcuk is learning how to be a jedi00:23
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wazdgoodbye world!00:27
* lbt slaps lcuk again00:27
lbtjust 'cos he needs00:27
lbt'cos he's on #mer00:27
lbtand it's not00:27
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JaffaIRC doesn't yet count towards karma (unless I missed a memo)00:28
lcuk:D heh, you know damned well i think highly of your project by the way :P it is begging for barcode goodness00:29
JaffaGiven my recent massive drop in karma (damn you X-Fade) I wouldn't be surprised00:29
lbtWHAT ... I'm outa here00:29
lcuk:O u lost karma?00:29
GeneralAntillesIt's the Jaffa deduction.00:30
lcukif(fruity($user)) karma-=100;00:30
JaffaIt's shifted again. mgedmin was above me earlier in the week at - but now the ordering looks familiar, just with lower scores00:30
JaffaOi. Less of the fruity ;-)00:30
GeneralAntillesMan, fanoush dropped a lot.00:31
lbtwhen you mouseover each of the section headings it should say what they're for00:31
lcukusing which voice?00:31
lcukPLEASE use KITT or something :D00:31
lcuk"micheal, you are in the tins section"00:32
lbt<sigh> in
lcukhow do you mouseover?00:32
lcukim thinking about your shopper lol00:32
lbthave you seen wazd's graphics?00:33
lbthe's suggested lots of UI changes too... lots on the list00:34
lbtbeen dead busy on OBS though - and then Qt kinetics for gnuton00:36
lcukyeah ive seen00:36
lcukive had a busy week as well00:36
lcuki got liqbase onto a git server and have been fixing up and solidyfing a lot of code00:37
lbtgood stuff00:37
lcukits also being documented :)00:37
lcukz4chh has set the ball rolling on this one :)00:38
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lcukif you get curious #liqbase will get you a login :P00:39
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GeneralAntillesAh, conspiracies.01:17
Stskeepsbacon is actually rx-51?01:17
lcukrx-51 contains bacon01:18
lcukits more like a cpu01:18
ds3Mmmm bacon01:18
GeneralAntillesTalk transition silliness.01:18
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tds5016can anyone tell me how to get access to the gps with python?01:56
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tds5016ShadowJK:  thanks man!02:02
tds5016where can I download that library?02:02
tds5016or does it come iwth python?02:02
tds5016and will that let me get access to the on board gps?02:03
ShadowJKI don't think it was installed with the python-device-env thing02:03
ShadowJKBut if you have rootsh or openssh installed, get root and apt-get install python2.5-gpsbt02:03
tds5016ShadowJK:  it's not in the repos :-/.02:03
ShadowJKIt's not visible in application manager02:04
ShadowJKit's in the repos though02:04
tds5016sudo apt-cache search python2.5-gpsbt doesn't pull it up :-/.02:05
ShadowJKwhat about just gpsbt?02:05
tds5016that driver is there.02:06
tds5016yeah, that's there.02:06
tds5016will that include the python bindings?02:06
tds5016it says it has the newest version :-/.02:07
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tds5016I hope it's already installed.02:07
tds5016I guess I COULD just run the sample code and see if it outputs it. haha.02:08
ShadowJKyeah or import gpsbt in a python shell...02:08
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tds5016wait... that is for a gps connected over bluetooth.02:08
ShadowJKworks fine for internal gps02:08
tds5016that will pull the internal one?02:08
ShadowJKDescription: Library for finding paired GPS BT device and internal GPS device02:08
tds5016haha, too bad I never get a damned connection with it. haha.02:08
ShadowJK The lib uses libgpsmgr API to start and stop gpsd.02:08
ShadowJKIt doesn't work indoors :)02:09
ShadowJKit helps to have a-gps installed02:09
tds5016what's a-gps?02:09
ShadowJKassisted gps, fetches some data from internet instead of having to wait until there's been clear satellite signal long enough to download it from the satellite02:10
ShadowJKbut still, it doesn't work indoors, except sometimes if you put it in a window and the window faces in the right direction :)02:11
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ShadowJKhm, I hope you've flashed to the diablo firmware and enabled extras repository in application manager? :)02:13
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tds5016hmm, gpsbt isn't found by python :-(02:19
tds5016I am on diabloe.02:19
tds5016and I do have extras enabled.02:19
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GeneralAntilleslol Beagle MID02:52
GeneralAntillesIt's huuuge02:52
ds3it was not a finished thing02:54
ds3some of that is not accurate02:55
GeneralAntillesThe Beagle's giant ass ports aren't conducive to building compact devices.02:56
lcukas a proof of concept though it wins hands down02:57
GeneralAntilles"was said to have consumed about 80 people hours."02:57
GeneralAntillesI want some people hours.02:57
lcukthey have an omap3 based tablet before nokia or pandora :P02:57
GeneralAntilleslcuk, Archos beat both by almost a year.02:57
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lcukdeflated, but its not openopen is it02:58
GeneralAntillesYou didn't specific open.02:59
infobotGeneralAntilles meant: You didn't specify open.02:59
lcukdidnt realise archos was on it though03:00
GeneralAntillesArchos 503:00
GeneralAntillesFrom last Summer03:00
lcukcool then03:01
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ds3GA: yes, that was one of the things that irked me; had the design the middle layer around them03:06
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ds3had to design03:07
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ds3GA: that is mine... and I had to juggle the plastic around the connectors03:07
ds3the S-Video was the the most irksome03:07
GeneralAntillesStupid nick coloring03:08
GeneralAntillesThought you were lcuk and it was a bit of a non-sequitor. :P03:08
ds3Oh haha03:08
ds3the problem with finishing it in about 80hrs is having to expediate shipping of some stuff03:09
ds3that adds up :(03:09
ds3and I am working on making it thinner... knocking off 0.25" is a no brainer03:10
zakkmany chance theres a screenshot for hildon-theme-sumea-mer  ?03:10
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GeneralAntillesWe need nanotech or something to make hobbyist mobile devices more feasible. :D03:10
ds3other then the ports, what else would you like to make smaller?03:11
GeneralAntillesLess bezel or more buttons.03:11
GeneralAntilles800x480 is a minimum03:12
ds3got a source for a cheap 800x480 LCD?03:12
ds3that was my problem03:12
zakkmyou guys are going to make a MID?03:12
GeneralAntillesFound some N810 panels, but they were all from the UK. :\03:12
ds3zakkm: made one ;)03:13
ds3it just sucks03:13
zakkmds3: screenshot?03:13
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zakkmthat was you?03:14
zakkmi saw it on engadget03:14
ds3I am the nut03:14
zakkmwow, i got so intersted in that03:15
GeneralAntillesBe nice to get some expansion boards for the Beagle03:15
zakkmdoes it work well?03:15
ds3there is a tidal wave of them on the way03:15
GeneralAntillesReally? Good.03:15
zakkmhow good is the beagle mid?03:15
ds3it works... it is a prototype... an idea. I wanted to do something that not too long ago was out of the hands of us mortals03:16
ds3it isn't good... needs better software for starters03:16
zakkmgoing to market it? :P03:16
ds3maybe as a kit if anyone wants to buy it03:16
ds3like GA said, it is big, bulky and...03:16
GeneralAntillesHobby kit would work.03:17
ds3GA: any particular expansion ability you are looking for?03:17
ds3expansion boards are nearly trivial to slap together03:17
GeneralAntillesTarget the modelling crowd. ;)03:17
GeneralAntillesds3, Gumstix has a nice set.03:18
ds3you can hand wire them; that's what I did before03:18
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ds3GA: gumstix connectors blow chunks03:18
GeneralAntillesDo they?03:18
ds3tiny so you have to spin a PCB03:18
ds3beagle has a 0.1" header so you can hand wire it03:19
ds3can't dead bug those plastic thingies03:19
GeneralAntillesA wireless connectivity board would be good03:19
GeneralAntillesEspecially since the USB stuff has suspect powersaving.03:20
zakkmds3: you should keep working on the beagle mid, could become sickk :P03:20
zakkmlike real market03:20
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ds3GA: Bluetooth sufficient?03:22
GeneralAntillesWiFi would be nice.03:22
ds3zakkm: got to do stuff to pay the bills first :/03:22
zakkmright, always important03:22
zakkmwish i could pay my bills, my money just seems to go less and less03:23
ds3why is everyone wanting WiFi? I find I rarely use my WiFi on my N800 outside of home03:23
GeneralAntillesBecause we like to connect our devices to the internet?03:23
ds3I use bluetooth for that outside of home03:23
ds3the so call free wifi rarely works well03:23
zakkmwifi is important ;p03:24
GeneralAntillesWell, I have WiFi in most of the places I spend most of my time.03:24
zakkmspeaking from a teenagers point of view03:24
ds3I must manage to avoid those places03:24
zakkmthe ipod touch did so well because it had wifi, and it had a easy fast browser ;p03:24
GeneralAntillesHome, school, work.03:24
ds3the free places either 1 - lack signal strength or 2 - their DHCP servers are so overloaded I can't get an address03:25
ds3dataplan + bt tether is slow but much more reliable03:25
GeneralAntillesI have that, too.03:25
zakkmcould you stick a beagle board into an actual n800/n810?03:25
GeneralAntillesBut don't want to have to rely on it when I have faster and more reliable WiFi as an option.03:26
ds3no, case is a bit too small03:26
GeneralAntillesBet you could shoehorn an Overo in there though03:26
ds3when I first got the N800, I was trying to switch to the local wifi and that was frustrating03:26
zakkmn800 should of came with a faster cpu03:27
GeneralAntillesHSPA in the next one(s) should be nice03:27
GeneralAntilleszakkm, there wasn't anything faster in 2007.03:27
zakkmis there any rumour that there will be more than one tablet coming out?03:28
GeneralAntillesThere are two codenames listed in the kernel: RX-51 and RX-71.03:28
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zakkmlike 2.. a 16gb weaker model.. and a 32gb faster.. or something03:28
ds3GA: well, isn't the 2430 slightly faster?03:28
GeneralAntillesds3, very marginally, but it wasn't out in 2007.03:29
GeneralAntillesWell, when the N800 was out, anyway.03:29
GeneralAntilleszakkm, I suspect the differences will be larger than that.03:30
GeneralAntillesProbably the same SoC, but maybe different formfactors.03:30
zakkmidea of what i meant by two.03:30
zakkmcause i dont have money and would like a faster tablet ;p03:30
zakkmalthough i believe n810 price will drop :)03:30
GeneralAntillesThe N810 is not faster.03:31
zakkmi know03:31
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zakkmbut at least its a upgrade from n80003:31
ds3build your own!03:31
zakkmi wont have enough for a n90003:31
zakkmor whatever it will be called03:31
GeneralAntillesIt's not really an upgrade over the N80003:31
zakkmbuild? im not that techy to be able to03:31
GeneralAntillesIt's more of a sidegrade.03:31
zakkmi like phyiscal keyboards03:31
zakkmvery much hate onscreen03:31
zakkmi didnt buy the ipod, cause the onscreen one was really small03:32
zakkmit drives me crazy03:32
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GeneralAntillesJust wait for the price drop.03:32
zakkmcant wait ! :)03:33
zakkmyou think i should sell the n800 and wait03:33
zakkmi dont mind not having one, and for mer testing i can use virtualbox03:34
GeneralAntillesI'd keep the N800 and wait.03:34
* fireun keeps the 770s and waits03:34
zakkmmy 770 wsod :(03:34
zakkmand then i didnt have warranty03:34
fireunthe audio plug on one of mine is toast due to too many drops while plugged into the stereo03:35
zakkm770 was cool, i would of kept it if i didnt wsod'd03:35
fireunand it also needs to have 2008 wiped and 2007he put back on03:35
zakkmbut i got a nice deal for n800 ( $110 USD )03:35
zakkmand they came to where i work, so convinent too03:36
* fireun doesnt want to say what his first 770 cost03:36
zakkmmy 770 was $85 :D03:36
zakkm$62 USD03:36
zakkmi like 2007OS better than diablo heh03:37
zakkmif it wasnt for that DSP thing, i would be using 200703:37
* fireun waits for mer to be usable03:37
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fireunandroid would be fine too, if it was reviewed as being no slower than 200803:37
fireunbut I know it aint there yet03:38
zakkmit is fast, just unstable heh03:38
zakkmnitdroid is so unstable03:38
zakkmbut its faster than maemo03:38
fireununstable is what I've got with 2008, so I'm in no hurry03:38
fireununstable AND slow03:38
zakkmsystem reboots? freezes?03:38
fireunand a memory/cpu hog03:38
zakkmlack of onscreen keyboard working03:38
GeneralAntillesI've paid full price for two tablets.03:39
fireunI have the cpu/mem applet going, so its clear that the slowdowns/freezing is because its out of swap/ram03:39
zakkm2008 is slow on 770, i remember it heh03:39
fireun2007HE at least keeps its hat on03:39
zakkmbut on n800 its the opposite03:39
zakkmi love 2007 UI03:39
fireun2008 starts out faster, but slows from there03:40
zakkmmight reflash with it just for fun :D03:40
fireunI know its never going to be fast hardware, I just want reliable, solid and "stable" net browser/note editor03:41
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fireunIM would be nice, but its kind of a one or maybe two app device, running IM just takes resources that would make browsing more useful (:03:41
zakkmthats why they should of shipped with faster processors :)03:41
fireunI also use it as the net-music-stream->stereo widget03:41
fireunalthough it would be nice to control it remotely so I dont have to go into the other room to restart a stream or switch streams03:42
zakkmwhy not mpd?03:42
zakkmmpd should do03:42
fireunzakkm: I'm over the "needs faster, more ram, bigger screen, bigger drive" craving mode.03:42
zakkmhave  mpd server in other room, and run like sonata on your tablet03:42
zakkmlol i get jealous by ppl with ipod touch's, it goes so fast03:43
fireunbigger better blah blah more money/never satisfied =gets old03:43
zakkmi kno03:43
zakkmi want a 770 ;p03:43
zakkmscared it would of wsod again though03:43
GeneralAntilles770 is the suck03:44
fireunwhat causes wsod? overflashwritting?03:44
fireunGeneralAntilles: you kids just want the shiny03:44
zakkmlcd screen controller i believe03:44
GeneralAntillesOvervoltage on the controller03:44
GeneralAntillesfireun, nah, I want a decent browsing experience a reasonably fast video decoding.03:45
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zakkmhey guys , this is intersting, an actual distro that takes a maemo sort of window manager approach03:55
zakkmdesktop distro*03:55
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zakkm <-- other screenshot03:56
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tds5016hello. where can I get pygpsbt?04:00
tds5016I don't see it in the repos.04:00
ds3heh.... "it's small too" ... under 48MB....04:01
ds3the distro04:04
ds3it is almost like calling a Chevy tahoe a small car04:05
tds5016oh. haha.04:05
tds5016this is kinda frustrating that pygpsbt didn't install with python :-/04:05
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tds5016nvm... I had to run sudo apt-get update to get the apt-cache to update.04:10
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zakkmds3: just thought it reminded me of maemo/mer04:19
zakkmhome, menu and stuff at left side.. apps on right side04:19
tds5016wow, maemo and python are like a freakin' dream to develop with!04:20
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ds3zakkm: it does look like it... I just fine the claim of size funny04:20
zakkmclaim of size?04:20
zakkmits downloadable?04:21
zakkmsaw it on distrowatch04:21
tds5016anyone know where I can start the gps/04:25
tds5016a quick app that'll try to start the gps, that is.04:26
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ds3it says under 48M on the page04:29
tds5016how do I open up the gps to try to get a signal?04:36
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zakkmds3: i know, its not lying and its 48mb iso, compressed of course04:40
zakkmsuppose to boot in under 10 seconds too04:40
ds3even if it is uncompressed, 48M isn't exactly small04:41
tds5016wow, the gps on this is absolutely worthless...04:42
Pavlovon the n810?04:42
tds5016haha, I can't get a damned connection no matter WHAT I do.04:43
Pavlovyeah it is a joke04:43
Pavlovgo outside04:43
Pavlovwait 20 minutes04:43
tds5016... I was.04:43
tds5016oh, 20 minutes....04:43
tds5016 really?04:43
zakkmits unusable04:43
tds5016yeah, pretty much.04:44
zakkmit is a gps, but it is very very unusable04:44
tds5016and the fact it had a gps and a camera in it was part of why we bought it.04:45
zakkmthat was a mistake :D04:45
zakkmwanna sell it? :)04:46
tds5016oh well, we'll probably end up buying a cheap bluetooth gps.04:46
tds5016nope. not at all.04:46
tds5016I was one for personal use after developing for it.04:46
zakkmoffer up my n800 and $50  ?04:46
tds5016the thing is beautifully easy to develop for!04:46
tds5016haha, it'd be nice if I could rip the GPS out of this thing complete.04:47
tds5016I won't need this for a while... but do you know how I can install a python program on the maemo?04:48
tds5016without using the command line to launch it*04:48
qwerty12_N800a desktop file in /usr/share/applications/hildon (the folder is full of tons of them)04:49
tds5016of python apps?04:50
tds5016how do I give it an icon, and a place in the menu?04:50
qwerty12_N800no, a desktop file04:50
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tds5016oh, I don't want it to be a desktop file. haha. I need to be able to launch the program from a menu.04:50
tds5016well, that would be the most desireable solution, that is.04:50
qwerty12_N800yes, a desktop file is required for that.04:51
lcukthe .desktop file related to an installed program is what is run when you click on a menu item04:51
qwerty12_N800just look in the folder, you'll get what i'm saying.04:51
tds5016oh okay, thanks! I'll probably be back to bother you guys about that again :-)04:51
lcukit also tells the menu itself what icon to use04:51
tds5016oh okay :-)04:51
tds5016I'll be back to bother you guys for that.04:51
lcukand the actual command line to execute04:51
lcuktds5016, khertan does lots of python stuff04:52
tds5016I really have to get home now. haha, it's been a long day of playing with this device. I gotta say, I'm kinda stoked for how it'll turn out :-)04:52
lcukhe also has a python app packager04:52
tds5016lcuk: I'm learning python as I go. haha.04:52
lcukspecifically geared to setting up a .deb from a python app04:52
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* lcuk wonders why he is still awake04:53
tds5016oh, an installer would be a crazy sexy solution, and I like debs ;-)04:53
tds5016haha, that's one thing debian did right, for the most part.04:54
tds5016haha, the package management is pretty sexy haha.04:54
* qwerty12_N800 blames lcuk for his being awake 04:54
tds5016haha, I blame PSU ;-)04:54
tds5016I shoulda known better than to say I'd do research.04:55
tds5016if you ever go to a university that is known for research, take no part in it, unless u wanna have WAYY to much to do.04:55
lcukif you ever go to a university where you are actually being pushed to learn and you dont want to be there ;) give up your seat for someone who does04:56
tds5016haha, lcuk this is for funding for the college mostly.04:57
tds5016haha, not being pushed to learn.04:57
tds5016I enjoy learning, as is.04:57
tds5016haha, plus I like to bitch, obviously :-D04:57
tds5016actually, I'm just talking shit, I love this place, in total honesty.04:57
tds5016I'm going to be sorry to leave, but I'm gonna get warm weather when I go :-D.04:58
tds5016sorry, I'm off topic, I know.04:58
lcukdamn you04:58
tds5016damn me?04:58
lcukwhere are you heading to04:58
tds5016San Jose, California :-)04:58
lcuki live in manchester england, it rains04:58
zakkmlcuk: my mom grew up there :)04:59
zakkmbeautiful placeee :P04:59
tds5016oh, I'd love to go to england. haha. Just to visit though.04:59
zakkmbeen to manchester, 3 trips04:59
tds5016the rain/dreary weather = stab myself in the face.04:59
zakkmlike 3 plane trips04:59
tds5016you a big manchester united fan?04:59
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lcuklast time i flew back from france, it was sunshine all the way, until we descended into the clouds04:59
lcuki have forgotten what the sun actually looks like05:00
lcukbarring photographs05:00
zakkmlcuk: you close to bury?05:00
lcukwork near there, live on the other side of town tho05:00
tds5016haha, yeah, I've forgotten what ground looks like, it snows so damned much in State College, PA05:00
tds5016it's always like three feet of snow.05:00
zakkmever go into "town" in bury05:00
zakkmtheres like the market, and Asda and stuff05:01
tds5016mmkay, I gotta leave my office and get back to my apartment. haha.05:01
lcukbeen a few times, its nothing special05:01
zakkmmy favourite05:01
zakkmtheres like a weird shopping center05:01
zakkmand a subway and library05:01
lcukyou knwo far too much05:01
zakkmI live in Toronto , Canada.05:02
lcukremove bury from your mind :)05:02
zakkmhow do i know far too much?05:02
lcuktheres more good stuff lol05:02
zakkmits the only place i do know05:02
zakkmwell you said manchester.05:02
tds5016lcuk: I think he's stalking you....05:02
lcuki suppose its better than being asked if im a MUFC fan ;)05:02
zakkmdidnt go into manchester all that much, cant remember it anyways .. i got a black eye in blackpool05:02
lcukheh, from a 17stone girl with a mustache?05:03
lcukyour black eye05:03
tds5016haha, were you drunk and getting frisky with her?05:03
zakkmcant remember how it happened05:03
zakkmit was like 5 years ago05:03
lcukthats what she said05:03
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tds5016and btw, wtf is a stone?05:04
zakkm11 lbs05:04
zakkm1 stone = 11 lbs05:04
tds5016sorry, I'm such a sad american :-/.05:04
zakkm17 stones = 187 lbs.. weight05:04
tds5016wow, that was some ridiculous quick conversions going on, you have to do that one often?05:04
zakkmin the uk they use pebbles and stones.. rather than lbs05:04
zakkmdo what?05:04
lcukheh @ peblles05:05
tds5016haha, I'm gonna start measuring in stones just to throw people off from now on.05:05
zakkmits 11 .. 11x17 = 187 doesnt it?05:05
zakkmim a grocery store cashier.. mess with numbers enough05:05
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zakkmlcuk: you like manchester?05:06
Lanzagoogle says 14lbs per stone05:06
lcukyeah, but would prefer it to be warmer05:06
tds5016I'm going to be a software engineer for a fortune 500, I have a feeling I'm going to be dealing with numbers a bit more than I'd like to. haha.05:06
zakkm14? really?05:06
zakkmi was told it was 11 when i was younger05:06
zakkmdamn im wrong, im sorry05:07
tds5016lcuk: haha, the american women prove it...05:07
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tds5016okay, time to finally get home.05:08
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tds5016thanks for all your help tonight guys.05:11
tds5016I'll talk to you all tomorrow.05:11
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lcuk\o gnite05:31
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JaffaMorning, all10:17
Stskeepsmorning jaffa10:18
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b0unc3good morning10:24
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RST38hMo[u]rning all10:48
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Stskeepsdoes anyone understand why the home city / out city thing is needed in Maemo? :P11:06
X-FadeStskeeps: For the calendar backend?11:06
Stskeepsmm, maybe11:06
X-FadeNot really being used atm, but Fremantle has a lot more services which might depend on it.11:07
X-FadeAs it is a lot more location aware.11:07
Stskeepsyeah, true11:07
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RST38hSts: It is for when you travel11:11
* Stskeeps ponders idly how they change timezones11:12
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RST38hthat said, it is pretty useless right now because you cannot tell it that you travel11:15
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X-FadeYeah, last month I was travelling from NL to FI, FI to SE and SE, FI, NL. Well enough timezone changes there ;)11:21
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X-FadeIt would be nice if it probably tracked location/timezone.11:21
X-FadeEspecially when you have to wake up at a certain time ;)11:21
Stskeepsyeah, from GPS :P11:21
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Pavlovtimezones are hard11:25
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RST38hThe only problem is that right now it is YOU who is telling it the location via AGPS tool :)11:31
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wazdHello world11:50
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RST38hHell wazd11:54
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RST38hVandals take down Internet, emergency, and voice services in California!12:03
RST38h10 cables. 4 locations. All it takes.12:03
StskeepsRST38h: the worst threat against infrastructure is not terrorists. it's stupid people in bulldozers12:07
RST38hSts: These weren't stupid people12:09
mgedminsmart people in bulldozers are scarier12:09
RST38hSts: They knew what to cut and where. And, miraculously, AT&T has been having a dispute with its trade union just now =)12:09
mgedminhave you read about that guy who welded armor to a bulldozer and went on a rampage?12:09
RST38hmgdemin <-- speaketh the truth12:09
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mgedminthe police could do nothing to him12:09
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RST38hmgedmin: Well, police does not plan, and that guy did12:10
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Stskeeps'The manhole covers are heavy," he said, "and would take quite an effort to lift, perhaps even requiring a tool." '12:11
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RST38hSts: Yea, this is what the world looks like to a layman12:14
RST38hSts: Manholes are heavy, doors marked "do not enter" are locked, and everything is a black box12:14
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RST38hGod bless those people, while they are the majority, I will have steady income :)12:15
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lbtRST38h: ta .... I wonder if 4 locations are "up there, over there, here and here" or 4 facilites many miles apart?12:26
RST38hlbt: It says San Francisco. The city isn't that big.12:27
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lbteven so, different buildings suggest a different kind of intent than vandalising a single room or two12:29
RST38hlbt: IMHO, anything that involves going down a manhole and cutting the right cable isn't "vandalising"12:30
lbthow many wrong cables were cut?12:30
RST38hIt says 1012:30
lbtjust wondering how targetted it was12:30
RST38hAh, you mean the right/wrong ratio12:31
lbtyes, but if they cut 100 and got the 10 critical ones...12:31
lbtor if there were only 1012:31
RST38hThe article does not say, although I do not think a manhole may contain more than 5-10 total12:31
lbtluck vs judgement...12:31
RST38hMost likely judgement though.12:32
lbtah...          130am then 3:30am in another town(?)12:32
lbtsounds much more precise12:33
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* RST38h is eagerly awaiting some new religion or ideology that well give smart people smart reasons to commit acts like this12:34
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RST38hThis will provide for years of fun12:34
StskeepsRST38h: i think it already exists though.. or atleast imagined up in sci fi12:35
RST38hSts: "imagined" won't do, I can imagine much scarier things12:36
Stskeeps1984 was actually slightly weak compared to what actually went on in soviet, heh12:36
RST38hSts: And the 40-virgins clause also does not work on anyone worth his shit12:36
RST38hSts: Not really. .SU wasn't THAT scary12:37
RST38hSts: More of a pain in the ass really12:37
thuxis there known rootkits in maemo? so strange my diablo behaves, slowly screen is sluggish like heavy load but load applet doesn't show12:48
X-Fadethux: Can be IO.12:48
thuxhowto find out?12:49
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RST38hInstall htop12:51
RST38hRun it (preferably from remote console, it likes huge consoles) and see what it shows12:51
thuxok i try that, thanks12:52
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thuxhtop shows that even when tablet idles cpu is used 13% and half of memory is used, are these normal figures?13:10
X-Fadethux: cpu usage is probably htop + your console ;)13:10
thuxyes 13% when idle is like vista in lap13:12
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lcukthux, if 13% idle is considered "normal" we would have to charge batteries every couple of hours13:37
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lcuko_O 498 thanks on iTT13:38
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RST38h2 more...13:49
lcukRST38h, its like pokemon!13:51
RST38hdo thanks from different people give you different types of attacks?13:51
lcukyeah rst :D13:52
lcukyou keep up with slashdot dont you13:53
* RST38h has slashdot in the rss 13:56
lcukRST38h, they just implemtned a proper achievements section13:58
lcukits something we could have on maemo :D13:58
lcuk"typed a word using osk"13:58
* RST38h does not like this stuff13:59
RST38hIt breeds karma whores13:59
RST38hSimple "thanks" is ok, but making it elaborate breeds karma whores13:59
lcukit makes the game fun!14:00
* lcuk is a whore14:00
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lcukqwerty12, on the text input poll you put yourself in OSK land, have you tried an 810?14:02
qwerty12It was a mistake, I wasn't reading properly and wanted to go for stylus keyboard >.<14:02
lcukthere wasnt a stylus keyboard option :P14:04
qwerty12the numpad stuff then, dunno :P14:04
lcukthe main problem with the hard keyboard though isnt text entry, its numerics14:04
* lcuk gets hacking14:07
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RST38hlcuk: imho the main problem is the damn dpad14:12
RST38hAnd the way whole device seems to tumble over all the time14:13
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lcukheh RST38h ive never had that problem14:15
lcukits so rare i take it out of its case14:16
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lcukand it just leans up against my monitor when im not holding it14:16
RST38hlcuk: Mine tumbles WITH the case :)14:16
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RST38hMiraculously, you can still type through that layer of plastic14:16
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lcukmy wodden case thingy14:17
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RST38hlcuk: It's a laptop!14:18
lcuki dont use the apple keyboard most of the time, its just a big book14:19
lcuki can pick it up and throw it around properly14:19
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tank-manthats a funky enter key on that apple keyboard14:48
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tank-manleft shift too14:49
lcuktank-man, its one of the nicest keyboards ive ever typed on14:49
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lcukconsidering its so small and the keys have so little travel, its extremely tactile and each key is big and easy to hit14:49
tank-mani have the same aluminum apple keyboard but with normal shift/enter keys14:49
tank-manwhats the wooden case for?14:51
tank-manstand on the n810 broken?14:51
lcuktank-man, no its more for reading and generally throwing around14:57
RST38hHe throws his n810 at his cat!14:57
lcukwhen im lay in bed i can rest it sideways and just use my hand to support it (with finger on dpad enter for next page)14:57
* lcuk can read for hours that way without arm ache :)14:58
lcukand when im writing on it - my wrist rests on the wooden side - its at the same level as the screen14:59
lcukso its like writing on a proper pad14:59
lcukwithout it you have to hold wrist in the air and its uncomfortable :)14:59
RST38hthecorrect way is, of course, to hold it vertically...15:00
lcuki do RST38h15:00
lcuki rest it on my tummy and its at the right level for my eyes15:00
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lcuki should put those pics on now15:03
lcukalong with the explanation lol15:04
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tank-manyour wooden holder has inspired me to build a hands free holder out of pvc pipes15:21
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lcukheh tank-man cool15:22
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lcuklbt does stuff with piping15:22
lcuk(hes multitalented lol)15:22
RST38hJust sew a sleeve with a pocket for the n81015:23
RST38hAnd wear it15:23
RST38hBut, of course, if you find a wide enough PVC pipe... :)15:23
tank-mansomething like that but smaller15:24
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lcuktank-man, what are you gonna plug the other end into15:29
tank-manbed frame15:29
tank-manits going to be more elaborate, going to have moving joints :)15:29
lcukyou could use powered joints and have it waking you up in the morning15:30
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RST38htank-man: I hope you are already considering adding adeadly laser?15:34
lcukthat would require modifications to the PVC locking mechanism15:36
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lcuktesting has shown it does not lock correctly to the dorsal fin15:36
RST38hYou have got dorsal fins?15:37
lcukno but the sharks do15:37
RST38hYou are not giving your beloved n810 to sharks, are you?15:38
lcukthey can have the 800 :D15:40
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tank-mani think im switching to wire coat hanger + duct tape15:46
tank-manmy n800 is pretty light15:46
RST38hah, the fashionable pyramidal shape!15:49
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RST38h...Slashdot gets a mention on page 45  not as a terrorist organization itself, but as one of the places that member of Anonymous may hang out...16:36
RST38h"Anonymous consists largely of users from multiple internet sites such as 4chan, 711chan, 420chan, Something Awful, Fark, Encyclopedia Dramatica, Slashdot, IRC channels, and YouTube."16:37
MakeGhois this a copypaste from somewhere?16:38
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RST38hMake: Guess where16:38
RST38hStskeeps: Remember what I said this morning? ;)16:38
MakeGhowell, tell me16:38
StskeepsRST38h: no, my memory is shot :P16:38
MakeGhooh right.16:39
MakeGhoFound it, wasn't too hard. :P16:39
RST38hStskeeps: That there has to be some cult for the smart people that makes them terrorists16:40
RST38hStskeeps: Behold the Cult of Anonymous! :)16:40
Stskeepstrue, true16:40
StskeepsRST38h: i'm actually more afraid of anonymous mindset than let's say, punkers and some of the more extremist protestors16:40
RST38hA few more years, some persecution for police, a couple of martyrs, and we are all set up for fun16:40
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RST38hStskeeps: Well, "DO IT FOR LULZ" is one ideology that can be used, but not the only one =)16:41
lcukwhat are the other *chans about, ive heard of 4chan16:48
lcukare they just dupes thereof or contain different stuff?16:49
RST38hsame shit16:49
RST38horiginate from some .jp based forums for anime lovers16:50
RST38hthe european ones were also started by anime guys but have now become not limited to anime16:50
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* b-man` was allmost successful in booting nitdroid in qemu while booted in Mer on his N800 :)17:04
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b-man`Allthough the debugging kernel that i was using with the emulator was erroring out because of a fuew missing components in the android image17:09
b-man`but it runs ok, amazingly17:10
b-man`the startup is quite slow17:10
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b-man`but after it boots the kernel it runs fine :)17:11
* b-man` will upload screenshots17:12
* b-man` wonders what would happen if he booted mer in qemu in mer XD17:13
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MacerStskeeps: how about that AWESOME usps tracking huh ? :)17:37
StskeepsMacer: well, it's holidays in .dk right now17:38
Stskeepsso they probably don't sort maill17:38
Macerheh.. here too.. but the tracking is so vague17:38
Macerups and fedex probably have your pkg integrated into google maps with gps positioning17:38
Stskeepsthey should just put in a gps coordinate..17:38
Macerusps says "left US"17:38
Macerah well.. gotta go. hope it makes it there in time for your thing17:39
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lcukz4chh, you got your wiring back in shape20:56
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shpaqanyone here with n770 and working advanced-power?21:12
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lakinnote to self: close window != autojoin on startup21:14
Stskeepsyes, so it goes21:15
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lakinIs this the appropriate location to ask questions regarding getting a scratchbox and sdk up and running?21:19
Stskeepsyeah.. but it isn't a support channel, so don't expect answers, but some may answer :P21:19
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Stskeepsso give it a go :)21:19
lakinheh, cool. Using this as a guide - - I installed the Diablo scratchbox and SDK.  Everything worked fine the first time through, including running xephyr and the test program.  Rebooted my computer and started it all up again, and now I'm these:
Stskeepsecho 4096 | sudo tee /proc/sys/vm/mmap_min_addr21:21
Stskeeps(from outside sb)21:21
Stskeepsecho 0 | sudo tee /proc/sys/vm/vdso_enabled21:21
Stskeepsas well21:21
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lakinYeah, I thought I had that in sysctl.conf - so I figured those applied - thanks Stskeeps21:24
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qwerty12_N800one of the files in /etc/sysctl.d will override it21:25
lakinSweet!  Thanks a bunch21:25
* b-man` starts blasting his music21:25
lakinqwerty12_N800: thanks.  I'll probably just remember I need those from now on21:26
lcukStskeeps, sure its a support chan :P ive heard all sorts of things over the months21:26
lcuk"how do i cook bacon perfectly?"21:26
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b-man`Stskeeps: same error XP21:32
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GeneralAntillesNice Cortex phones on the horizon, too bad they all have crippling faults.22:01
ShadowJKunflashable? :)22:02
GeneralAntillesWell, the Pre is Sprint and CDMA22:02
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GeneralAntillesThe OmniaHD is TouchWiz and probably unaffordable22:02
ShadowJKomniahd? is that an upgrade to plain omnia?22:03
* ShadowJK vaguely recalls omnia had a huge ad campaign22:03
GeneralAntillesS60 5th with a Cortex A822:03
ShadowJKwell, huge in the sense that it was able to be visible to me, which is pretty damn ahrd22:03
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Pavlovyeah the omnia hd is a lot nicer than the omnia22:15
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GeneralAntillesIsn't the Omnia WinMob?22:20
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VDVsxGeneralAntilles, omnia is WinMob, the hd version is S60 ?22:23
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GeneralAntillesVDVsx, yeah, I believe so.22:23
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GeneralAntillesIt looks like a really nice phone, but I know I wont be able to afford it unlocked and it really is starting to infringe on tablet territory.22:24
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VDVsxah ok, didn't notice this change: "We've received official word from Samsung that the S60-based superphone will be "selectively" renamed to "i8910 HD" in some countries "22:27
VDVsxGeneralAntilles, still searching for a new phone ?22:29
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wizaI'm currently sticking with e90, I'm mostly happy with it22:30
wizaslideout qwerty linux phone would be great, none exists :(22:30
VDVsxI have a 6110 nav, but I only use the basic phones features :)22:32
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ShadowJKI thought it was amusing that the openmoko ceo said freerunner misses calls but it's fine for making outgoing, that always works22:32
ShadowJKwhen on the same day I couldn't make outgoing call with my Nokia phone until I drove outside 3G coverage :P22:33
GeneralAntillesVDVsx, sort of.22:34
* VDVsx also have a 5800 xm, but only use it for his master research :)22:34
GeneralAntillesI may wait for a tablet announcement at this point, though.22:34
ShadowJKoh stranger still, it did packet data just fine22:35
ShadowJKbut I didn't have my voip details setup on it :(22:36
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