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robinkDoes the 2008.43-7 firmware image have a modules.dep?01:49
Stskeepsdon't think so01:49
Stskeepsnone of them does01:49
robinkOne did.01:49
Stskeepshaven't encountered one yet :P01:50
robinkI didn't always have to manually load ipv6.ko01:50
Stskeepsah, they officially added ipv6 at some point01:50
robink...and made it so it wouldn't autoload?01:50
Stskeepsi'm willing it has something to deal with vodka01:50
robinkStskeeps: What?01:51
Stskeeps+to bet01:51
Stskeepssorry, late here :)01:51
Stskeepsbut i think they have a IPv6 setting somewhere now01:51
robinkStskeeps: Really?  Where?01:51
Stskeepsin connectivity settings01:51
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picklesworthIs there a document somewhere that explains how maemo's dbusy application launching stuff works?01:58
picklesworthI think I may be duplicating it :/01:58
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GeneralAntillespicklesworth, try the official docs?02:00
picklesworthI'm poking at the docs now, through the thick syrupy fun of slow interwebs... Hoping for a fancy colourful diagram of the architecture more than "how to use", although either way should work :)02:02
Stskeepsthe booster/maemo-launcher, or?02:02
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picklesworthOh, the docs are pretty good! I'm not used to such things :)
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GeneralAntillesWhy do people think it's a good plan to bury web forums 3 pages from the front?02:48
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ds3keeps down spamming?02:52
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Macerhm... what the hell happened to gmail?02:56
MacerIceweasel has detected that the server is redirecting the request for this address in a way that will never complete02:57
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LinuxCodecat wants attention ;-}03:12
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Macerhm. debian seems to be pretty good on the artigo04:07
Macerwish it was a little quicker but can't have it all i suppose :)04:07
robinkStskeeps: There is nothing in connectivity settings that lets you select IPv6.04:11
GeneralAntillesIPv6 isn't supported04:11
robinkGeneralAntilles: It isn't?  Why not?  I can insmod ipv6.ko and get an address from the radvd on my network.04:12
GeneralAntillesBecause it's not something Nokia choose to support.04:13
GeneralAntillesThat doesn't mean you can't get it to work04:13
GeneralAntillesit just means it's not supported.04:13
MacerFinished processing (took: 41m 41s) (total: 10h 32m 54s)04:13
Macerdamn i love zfs and nexenta04:13
robinkGeneralAntilles: Ahh.04:13
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Macerit unrared 70G in 41mins :)04:17
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Macerawesome... new popcornhour firmware is out04:42
Macerprobably doesn't do much04:42
Macerwow i am burning this C7 out heh04:43
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GeneralAntillesJust so Nokians know, it's really easy to spot corporate IPs. ;)04:57
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LinuxCodeGeneralAntilles, may I ?05:05
LinuxCode"You are fired!"05:05
GeneralAntillesI'm cleaning it up05:06
LinuxCodehehe k05:06
LinuxCodeGeneralAntilles, any word yet when the N810 successor will be out ?05:06
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LinuxCodewasnt it next 3 months ?05:06
GeneralAntillesWe only have a general frame for the beta SDK05:07
GeneralAntillesThere have been no announcements about the future hardware05:07
* LinuxCode is holding off buying a new mobile phone for a Nx00 with 3g05:07
LinuxCodeohh i see05:07
GeneralAntilles3 months would be my bet, anyway.05:07
LinuxCodeI hope so05:08
LinuxCodethat would fulfil all my needs05:08
LinuxCodeLinux compatibility, tools, utils, etc..05:08
Macerknow what is so great about firefly05:09
Macerno sounds in space heh05:10
Macerexcept in the movie.. that was kind of strange05:10
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matmoearly morning dumb question: on MXR I see "2008-50" - which OS version exactly does this refer to? Eg, my N810 (Diablo) says "2008.43-7".08:08
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matmoTo answer my own question: latest source for the open portions of OS2008. So if I have an up to date Diablo I have 2008-50?08:23
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b0unc3good morning10:38
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aquatixgood moaning10:43
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wazd_n800hello world!10:46
Stskeepshello wazd10:47
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wazd_n800woo, looks like I've missed maemo5 ui discussion thread10:57
Stskeepsit was well hidden10:58
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RST38hMoo STS, wazd11:02
RST38hLook what I've found:
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JaffaMorning, all11:15
Stskeepsmorning jaffa11:15
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wazd_n800RST38h, hola, interesting stuff)11:35
RST38hwazd: The article has got everything, from homeless expats to pedophilia11:35
RST38ha classic, by all means =)11:37
RST38hwazd: BTW, ATI85 1.3.1 has just got into Extras. I updated images and made it work correctly when the same model is selected from the menu.11:37
Stskeepsoh neat, looking at kate's presentation11:40
Stskeepson/off stand, face up/down, x,y,z axis accelerator meter11:40
RST38hSts: Have you noticed the "no more virtual keyboard" piece?11:40
StskeepsRST38h: no -stylus keyboard-11:41
Stskeepsthere's a thumb keyboard11:41
RST38hEven more interesting11:41
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RST38hBTW, S60e5 does have a stylus keyboard. Weird.11:41
Stskeepsit is still possible to add stylus kbd but i doubt rx-51 has a stylus11:46
RST38hI am liking it less and less =(11:46
Stskeepswe'll see how it is eventually11:46
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mavhcif we wanted our screens to be covered in fingerprints we would have bought an ipod touch11:55
RST38hMaybe the RX-51 will have a glass screen after all...11:56
RST38hThe current tablets definitely *do not* encourage touching 'em with fingers11:56
mavhcis glass chosen because there's no plastic transparent enough?11:57
* lcuk touches mavhc's screen11:57
lcukcapacitive vs resistive and a much larger cost for the capacitive so i heard11:58
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RST38hmavhc: glass is sturdier and easier to clean11:58
RST38hbut it also does not go very well with resistive screens11:59
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mavhcdo capacitive screens work with a metal stylus?12:00
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RST38hif you are holding it with your meaty fingers, they do :)12:02
andre___Stskeeps, I'm thinking of some kind of keyword for stuff in bugzilla that might become (or already is) WONTFIX, but is interesting for Mer12:04
andre___like bug 2249 which even has a patch12:04
Stskeepsandre___: LETTHEPEOPLEFIXIT?12:04
andre___no, that's called "patch" actually :-P12:04
andre___isn't WONTFIX == LETTHEPEOPLEFIXIT ?12:05
RST38handre: BUGSTSKEEPS12:05
RST38handre: or NOTOURPROBLEM12:05
Stskeepsandre___: if you want you can delegate it to Mer product12:05
Stskeepsi'm sure we can find space in that for our kernel patches12:05
andre___RST38h, no, i'm talking about keywords, not statuses ;-)12:05
andre___Stskeeps, so prefered way is to clone some bugs?12:06
andre___i'm fine with that, just tell me what to do :)12:06
Stskeepsandre___: either that or prod me to add it to our sprints12:06
Stskeepsi think i'll prefer the latter really, so CC me on the bugs that should be12:07
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Stskeepsandre___: i find it useful since there's a huge amount of patches laying about that are useful, but i have no idea exists12:08
andre___Stskeeps, huge? it's only approx 2712:09
Stskeepswell 27 is still a lot :P12:09
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Garfeildhi all12:11
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RST38hBTW, lack of fullscreen/windowed modes and the lack of stylus keyboard mean that the developers will only have ONE screen layout to take care about12:37
RST38hFor better or for worse...12:37
JaffaRST38h: in Fremantle you mean?12:38
StskeepsRST38h: i think it might be a plus, yea12:39
qwerty12RST38h, Surely has to be better than UIQ was though: will this device have a flip, does it have a touchscreen etc12:39
RST38hJaffa: Yea12:40
RST38hqwerty: UIQ configs were a fucking shit...12:40
RST38hqwerty: Not only there were multiple screen layouts that differed with phone model, but the buttons were completely different12:40
RST38hEach phone had a different set and usually missed at least 1/4 of the important buttons like d-pad12:41
RST38hSts: maybe, although being conservative I'll still miss the status bar and the task bar12:41
qwerty12Yeah, I don't think this enticed people to develop for it. I remember reading that some apps would crash for instance when using it with flip because the developer was aiming for the P1/M600 etc and forgot about the P99012:42
StskeepsRST38h: task switching wasn't shown just ye12:42
RST38hSts: But we already know that the task bar at the left is gone12:42
lcuki thought we were expected to expect multiple layouts - remember the term "lead device"12:50
lcukin this device with rotation we are gonna expect MORE upheavel than right now12:51
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lcukso what theres no sidebar, we have to flip between 800*380 and 380*800 - a MUCH worse scenario12:52
RST38hoh, the rotation!12:52
lcukdoes your calculator work in landscape?12:53
RST38hif, of course, they are going to use it in their base official system and not just leave it as a loophole for developers who need it12:53
* lcuk has same problem with portrait btw :)12:53
RST38hlcuk: it does. the image you see is actually rotated offline :)12:53
mavhcis these a url will all this info?12:53
RST38hmavhc: Yes. :)12:54
lcukRST38h, i mean does it handle both orientations dynamically?12:54
RST38hlcuk: No and it can't really12:54
RST38hlcuk: The real calcs were all portrait12:54
mavhcI hate forums, they're just usenet without the features12:54
lcuki know - your calc is a specific case, but its indicative12:54
RST38hmavhc: then hate and suffer! ahhahahahahahaaa!12:54
mavhcdamn you12:54
lcuki cannot use your calc because of it tho :$12:54
RST38hlcuk: Why?12:55
RST38hlcuk: You absolutely positively hate holding the tablet vertically?12:55
lcukcos my device sits in landscape mode - i dont pick it up to just use the calc - and i use my keyboard12:55
mavhcomg, the colour scheme! my eyes!12:55
lcukit has a stand and i use it that way, or it sits flat on my desk - my real calculator is the same12:56
* lcuk looks over at his casio ms-8v12:56
RST38h"Mavhc encounters Fremantle color scene", the horror flick12:56
mavhcthat was the itt colour scheme12:57
RST38hmavhc: Then consider it a prequel12:57
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lcukRST38h, :$ could you make a skinnable landscape one12:57
RST38hlcuk: TI-92 is actually landscape but it runs on 6800012:57
RST38hand I have no 68000 core of my own12:57
lcuktheres even a special casio one for wazd12:57
lcuk(guess which one!)12:58
RST38hlcuk: Dunno if you know, but I also develop the SlideRule and it is landscape ;)12:58
lcuki do indeed - the sliderule should pop out and do the graphing on your Tis ;)12:59
RST38hOh, Slashdot has finally gone all dailyrotten12:59
lcuki just need a quick calc calculator personally - the normal one is right for my needs13:00
RST38h"...the creators of South Park, were given a very special gift by US marines: a signed photo of Saddam Hussein. During his captivity, the marines forced Saddam to repeatedly watch the movie South Park: Bigger, Longer And Uncut, which shows him as the boyfriend of Satan. Stone said, "We're very proud of our signed Saddam picture and what it means."13:00
StskeepsRST38h: isn't that somewhat like against the geneva convention? :P13:00
Stskeepsstill, saddam has an excellent role in that movie13:00
RST38hSts: All I know is that it is against readers' sanity =)13:00
lcukhang on, is that a comment?13:01
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lcukslashdot trolls havebeen in the gutter for eons13:01
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LinuxCodegarr my msynctool  wont work13:04
* LinuxCode stomps around13:04
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RST38hlcuk: it is an article not a comment13:07
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lcukRST38h, o_O which i mustv missed it lol13:26
lcukLinuxCode, you will get detention if you continue stomping around13:26
LinuxCodeI almost got it back to nomral now13:26
LinuxCodetodo sink of member 2 of type evo2-sync had an error: Failed to open default tasks: No such calendar13:27
LinuxCodegetting that now13:27
* LinuxCode searches13:27
lcukLinuxCode, what language do you work in13:27
LinuxCodeIm not hacking it, just configing atm13:28
lcukwhen you do your normal work - i know you are lookin at khertans here13:28
* lcuk doesnt think hes ever asked13:28
matmohiya all. Just ran out of space installing Diablo SDK. Looking around for stuff to delete and noticed a hard link(?) to /scratchbox from /scratchbox/users/<my-acc>/scratchbox. Normal?13:28
lcukmatmo, ran out of space where? on your desktop/laptop?13:29
lcuknothing to delete inside the sdk, buy a bigger harddrive or remove your pron hidden folder13:29
matmolcuk: does it matter? It's a notebook.13:29
lcukit matters cos ive never heard of it runnin out of space lol - make more room for the sdk13:30
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lcukyou are space constrained on the device itself but its down to your own sorting out space wise, you are best deleting stuff from your regular install(which you should understand where space is wasted) before trying to trim the sdk(which you dont know whats needed or not)13:31
matmolcuk: sry, I should be clear, I'm not trying to delete anything from the SDK, just noticed that self referencing dir and have not read up on SB in a log while13:33
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matmo(long while)13:33
matmobut now you mention it :-) what's "ccache"?13:33
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RST38hmatmo: in fact there is stuff to delete13:35
RST38hmatmo: sdk should have installed etch toolchain for you13:35
RST38hmatmo: that toolchain includes the whole latex distribution, get rid of it13:35
RST38hfonts too13:35
matmoRST38h: do you refer to stuff in "devkits"?13:36
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RST38hAside from that, if you have got Ubuntu, Open Office, Evolution, and older kernels are obvious candidates for deletion13:36
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RST38hmatmo: dunno, it should be in /opt somewhere13:37
* RST38h uses scratchbox213:37
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RST38hOnce you delete Open Office, Ubuntu may even let you uninstall Java =)13:38
lcukcrap bbl13:38
lcukcya in a bit lc13:38
matmoI have two drives set up, SB is on the second one, 5G, now with 525M free13:39
LinuxCodewhat the hell13:39
LinuxCodeit did sync13:40
LinuxCodeso why is it bitching13:40
RST38hmatmo: Well, I have no idea what you have on that second drive13:40
tank-manif you don't even have space for the sdk, how do you think you will have space to compile stuff13:40
RST38hmatmo: you can try doing du /second/drive/root | sort -rn |more13:41
matmotank-man: I did not expect it to use up all the space, guess I must have included the dbg option13:41
matmoRST38h: no need, I'm trawling it with kdirstat13:42
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Stskeepsnah, scratchbox is weird..13:42
RST38h"weird" does not even start to describe it...13:42
RST38hUnfortunately, SB2 is slowly heading the same way13:42
matmoRST38h: I take it SB2 is much easier to get along with...13:43
matmooh really? what's wrong with SB2? Hoping to move to it soon.13:43
matmoWill I get away with just rerunning the SDK install script again or do I need to clean anything out from the first attempt?13:46
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RST38hmatmo: SB2 is way more humane13:53
RST38hmatmo: But it will still take your disk space so do not get too happy too soon13:53
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matmoRST38h: it will be going on another machine when I use it. This one is choking as it is.13:54
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RST38hJust delete packages you are not using13:55
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lardmanmorning all14:35
Stskeepsmorning lardman14:35
lardmanqwerty12: afternoon to you though ;)14:35
lardmanhey Stskeeps14:35
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qwerty12_N800lardman: aww, you remembered ;P. afternoon :)14:36
lardmanafternoon's when I can see the end of the day in sight!14:37
lardmanthat presentation of Kate's was interesting14:37
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lcuklardman, hi, which presentation did kate do14:39
lardmanit's linked from itt somewhere, I don't have the link handy though14:39
lcukheh Stskeeps was it the one you gave me earlier - ive seen it but couldnt find any ref to kate14:40
lcuklardman, how long are you off for easter then - are you in at the mo14:43
lardmanam at work at the mo14:43
lardmanback on Wed14:43
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lcuklardman, lucky you, i get tomorrow and monday off14:48
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lcukreading kates presentation shows a divergence in what was said14:49
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lcukat the start she says desktop widgets will be in their own process14:49
lardmanlcuk: the wonders of working in academia ;)14:49
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lcukthe later the references to dynamic linking (where have I heard that before)14:49
lardmanyeah they will all be in the same process14:50
lardmanbut that process is not critical to the rest of the system14:50
lcukyeah it never has been has it14:50
lardmanso yes if one crashes they all go, but the tablet doens't go down too14:50
lardmanit is atm, they are in hildon-desktop atm, which does everything14:50
lcukfurrymuff :)14:51
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lcukmakes me :( then that applets themselves cant make use of a clutter stage14:51
lardmanyeah, will be interesting to know how they'll share that stuff now that people are asking for it14:52
lardmanshare the feature that is, not information14:52
lcukyeah i understand the problem quite extensively - i went through it myself when starting the library - i can see a path now that gives it for my stuff, but its gonna be hard to break opengl14:53
lcukunless opengl can composite opengl (H)14:53
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lardmanAre Nokia chargers known to be a bit fragile?14:56
qwerty12_N800a bit?14:56
JaffaI've heard of it14:56
lardmanI think my second one has just broken, luck I've got a couple of phones and devices14:56
qwerty12_N800i've broken 314:56
lardmanqwerty12_N800: that was typical English understatement ;)14:56
lardmanbring on usb-charging I say14:57
lardmanbut first lunch!14:57
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* ShadowJK 'd hate usb charging :(15:02
ShadowJKespecially the kind that refuses to charge without something "smart" on the other end of the usb cable15:02
lcukShadowJK, smart being 240 volts of intelligence15:04
ShadowJKNo I mean when the device requires a computer or similar to be on the other end and explicitly grant the device permission to charge before it starts drawing power from the usb cable15:05
StskeepsShadowJK: usb power supplies exist15:05
ShadowJKIt's a fucking headache finding an external pack that supports that, and they're expensive15:05
ShadowJKYes but again you have to find one that negotiates and doesn't supply power, which most of them do15:06
ShadowJKdoesn't just supply power*15:06
ShadowJKNevermind that there are several incompatible practices on how a device recognizes/detects and negotiates with the usb charger..15:06
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ShadowJKI like the nokia charging plug, it's easy, you just give it voltage and the device sucks up power15:07
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lcukthe same could occur with usb, but we would need 2 usb plugs15:07
lcukor you lose the benfitis, i would hate to have to unplug (for instance) my keyboard just to charge it15:07
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lcuknot that i use the usb15:07
ShadowJKOr you could just do what everyone did at first when charge through usb was "invented", charge regardless :P15:08
lcukhold on, cant talk must charge15:09
ShadowJKfreerunner has this fun thing too, if the battery is drained empty, it can't boot, so it can't negotiate charge current, so it sits sipping a very tiny current for an eternity before it starts working again15:09
lcukwith a phone its fine because the usb was only used relaly for computer connection15:09
lcukdo you have a freerunner15:10
ShadowJKit's in their FAQ15:10
* lcuk will have to get one15:10
ShadowJKdunno if it's true or not :)15:10
lcukit is cos the freerunner main bod said15:10
lcukin a big presentation i saw last night15:10
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ShadowJKlcuk, what did he say?15:12
lcuk   its a tough presentation to give15:13
lcukits a bit long, but explains lots about different issues15:14
ShadowJKOh I was watching that until my please-dont-kill-my-eardrums device fell apart15:15
ShadowJKand then I couldn't find my bag of cable ties to fix it15:15
VDVsxShadowJK, he freeruneer issue is true, I have one :)15:15
StskeepsShadowJK: re 'freerunner has this fun thing too', there's a reason why tablets shut down15:15
Stskeepsthey go to a safe level15:16
ShadowJKIf freerunner doesn't shut down then they're a ticking timebomb15:16
ShadowJKBut they consume more power on boot than USB charging can provide, so it is my understanding that they refuse to boot if the safe level has been reached15:17
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VDVsx20 to 30 hours idle and the battery gone (but depends on the distro)15:19
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ShadowJKVDVsx, I'm guessing it's even worse surfing the web?15:29
lcukVDVsx, the most striking thing from the video presentation: WHY WASNT HE USING BLUEMAEMO FOR HIS PROJECTOR15:30
lcukhe had a bluetooth remote15:30
qwerty12_N800or remoko :>15:30
lcukyou know what i mea15:30
VDVsxlcuk, I presented a project at Fosdem  and I was obligated to use one of this remotes too :(15:31
VDVsxShadowJK, browsing is fine, but the wifi drivers are very poor15:32
lcukVDVsx, sad15:32
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lcukVDVsx, about the video itself, that mustv been so difficult to get up and say, i felt for the guy15:33
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ShadowJKVDVsx, worse than on N8x0?15:34
VDVsxShadowJK, it's a good tool for hacking, but is very far away to a daily use device (phone+ internet + pim)15:35
lcukmost people still dont expect internet on phones ;)15:35
ShadowJKbah, internet has been my primary use for a phone since 200415:36
ShadowJKwhen I got my first gprs-enabled phone15:36
lcukprimary use for me has been phones15:37
lcukand the only time i have *ever* done something other has been sitting at the barbers15:37
lcukfor 15 minutes every 6 months i sit and play games15:37
lcukive never had a need for it randomly any other time15:37
* aquatix reads a book on his n810 when waiting at the barbers15:38
lcukn8x0 isnt a phone ;)  i play with mine all the time lol15:38
aquatixyeah, but that's just to illustrate that i don't even use it there ;)15:38
aquatixi use it as PIM though15:39
ShadowJKWhen I got N810 I considered it an upgrade in screensize for my phone :)15:39
VDVsxI don't use internet on the phone, because of the small screens, but if a got a phone with a bigger screen, maybe15:39
* aquatix has been thinking about the N9715:39
* lcuk doesnt use internet on his tablet mostly either15:39
aquatixbut maybe i'll wait for another year15:39
* Myrtti wants a N86, still15:39
ShadowJKis that the one with OLED?15:40
aquatixalso nice15:40
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aquatixas are the E71, E75 and E55 :)15:40
aquatixbut maybe i wait till symbian^215:40
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* VDVsx have a 5800 for his master thesis research, but don't use for nothing more :P15:40
aquatixthat'd make me do 3 years with a smartphone15:40
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MyrttiShadowJK: it's the one with the 8MP camera, which is the killer feature for me15:41
aquatixVDVsx: danm you ;)15:41
aquatixVDVsx: i chose the wrong research subject, clearly15:41
ShadowJKaren't the optics and sensorsize crap anyway?15:41
aquatixMyrtti: can't you better get a decent compact camera?15:41
* aquatix likes the Canon G10, but already has a dSLR15:41
Myrttiaquatix: the question isn't can I get a better decent compact camera15:42
ShadowJKwhat do they cost once they can talk to the outside world..15:42
aquatixhowever, the G10 would fit better in my pocket ;)15:42
Myrttithe question is, would I carry it with me everywhere15:42
Myrttithat's why I love my N95 really much15:42
aquatixsame for me15:42
aquatixbut camera phone picture quality isn't that great still...15:42
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* ShadowJK is still hoping nokia would update E70 :(15:43
Myrttiaquatix: it has been good enough for me since Nov 2007 :-)15:43
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Myrttiit's not really about the picture quality for me, it's about capturing moments15:46
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suihkulokkifor all in .fi: freee thursday today 18:00, american bar @ kalevankatu15:51
aquatixMyrtti: fair enough :)15:52
* aquatix likes having both ;)15:52
aquatixbut at this moment, i have a phone without cam, and a dSLR that's too large for my pocket15:52
ShadowJKShould I just assume since you didn't mention any city, that it's somewhere inside kehä-3? :-)15:52
aquatixso i actually almost never have a cam for `those moments'15:53
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Myrtti or or or or :-P15:56
Myrttisquirrels ♥15:56
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aquatixand a nokia 77016:01
aquatixand some beautiful skies16:02
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svualterego ping?16:07
lcukMyrtti, you are a squirrel lover too!  do you prefer batter or breadcrumbs?16:09
* lcuk only cares for red squirrels. damned greys are vermin invaders16:10
Myrttilcuk: we have only red ones in Finland, fortunately16:11
Myrttiin abundance, to boot16:11
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lcuk:) did you bring any over here with you?16:12
lcukand dont ever let a grey sneak in your luggage16:12
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MyrttiI think ryanscare people would have opposed to that16:12
lcukthey wont care as long as you pay extra16:13
lcukthey will just wave you through if its in a clear plastic bag16:13
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qwerty12_N800are drugs smuggled in like that too? :)16:15
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lcuki always assumed drugs come via other channels.  afterall military airports exist to fly supplies back from afghanistan dont they16:16
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Stskeepsholy crap, - impressive the driver didn't get a single scratch17:09
wazdimpressive driver actually performed tht stuff :D17:10
aquatixmost likely just driving too fast17:10
wazdaquatix: nope, he did it at 5 km/h :P17:11
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wazdwith his teeth :D17:11
aquatixpoor tree btw17:12
lardmantrees: 1, Mercedes: 017:12
wazdoh, btw, I got 1 bug issue in Mer from russian users17:14
wazdwifi doesn't work properly at all17:14
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lardmancu later chaps17:15
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Corsachey cat17:21
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VDVsxlcuk fall a sleep in his keyboard, lol17:22
churlwho's the user if i wanna ssh into my tablet?17:22
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churli dont recall setting a password, but i may have? :)17:23
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VDVsxif you installed the ssh tools you must have one17:24
tank-mantry all the defaults, god/love/sex/rootme/toor/emtoor17:25
VDVsxchurl, did you installed openssh for e.g ?17:26
churllooks like the "root" program i have is one that i just type in "root" and dont give a password17:26
churlha, let me check if it's on there ;)17:26
churlVDVsx: ive got openssh/client/server17:27
VDVsxchurl,ok, then you have to remember the pass :)17:29
VDVsxtry rootme17:29
wazdStskeeps: can you give me a link to the mer-artwork page please? looks like I've lost mine while reinstall(17:30 , or mailing list?17:31
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churlVDVsx: no luck17:31
churli only use one ;)17:31
wazdoh, no, not the artwork, page with element sizes17:31
churlbut root@ or user@?17:31
VDVsxchurl, root@192....17:32
churlVDVsx: thanks :)17:32
VDVsxchurl, worked ?17:33
aquatixchurl: dude, why do you know my pw17:33
churli know how you are17:33
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wazdStskeeps: yep, that one, thanks17:34
aquatixchurl: evil? and factually incorrect?17:34
churlaquatix: exactly17:34
wazdStskeeps: i'm experimenting with default Mer theme right now :)17:35
Stskeepsalright :)17:35
Stskeepsthere should be template.svg17:35
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wazdStskeeps: why svg?17:40
Stskeepswazd: when working some with it, it makes a lot of sense17:40
Stskeepsthere's a bunch of layer information and so on17:40
wazdStskeeps: Photoshop can't save in .svg(17:41
X-Fadewazd: No, because it is a bitmap editor.17:41
wazdX-Fade: orly :)17:42
X-Fadewazd: Time to go to Inkscape ;)17:42
Stskeepswazd: you can also edit the png manually, or use inkscape or illustrator or whatever17:42
wazdI don't understand why we need vector theme)17:44
Stskeepswazd: when making the themes and gradients it's just nice to work with :P17:44
Stskeepsit's like if we had a .psd17:44
wazdI have a .psd :P17:45
Stskeepsthen you can just edit the png manually17:46
Stskeepswe export to the png anyway from svg17:46
Stskeepswe don't use svg for the actual theming build17:46
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lbtlcuk: rofl18:07
wazdStskeeps: I've tweaked zenvoid's idea:
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Stskeepswazd: i'm not sure we can do the |'s18:10
Stskeepsmaybe, but not sure18:10
Stskeepscome and talk to zenvoid about it18:10
wazdStskeeps: hmm, why so?18:10
Stskeepshe knows the tech stuff :)18:10
wazdStskeeps: okay18:11
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Stskeeps(he's in #mer)18:11
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churli saw a video of an n800 running vmware with winCE and android.  Is that available for download?19:09
Stskeepsi wish19:10
churli figured19:10
JaffaIt'll also be very bare metal19:12
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churli just want to run an app to watch railroad traffic that only works in windows.....19:13
Stskeepswince != windows though19:13
* churl dreams19:13
fireunthats a nightmare, that is.19:13
churli know, i really want it19:13
X-Fadechurl: vnc? :)19:13
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churlX-Fade: yeah, it does work ok like that, but......... im just dreaming is all....19:14
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Stskeepsheh, i have considered putting up a winxp virtualbox instance, and then using RDP from my tablet19:14
fireunchurl: get another hobby19:14
churlbesides linux, brewing beer, trains, sewing, biking, banjo, and cooking?19:15
fireungrow some veggies19:16
churlmy new hobby is to take my medicine.19:16
churlfireun: we're gonna grow some hops and have some chickens at our friends house down the road, they have a back yard (in a city)19:17
mikkov_X-Fade: do you know if digia@web download will be fixed?19:19
X-Fademikkov_: They have been sending me 10 mails today orso..19:19
mikkov_X-Fade: so what's the problem? ;)19:19
X-FadeI'm trying to get the message across that they need to properly build it and generate a .changes file.19:20
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X-FadeBut somehow they have issues with following my suggestions and actually reading my mails ;)19:20
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X-FadeSo I have no idea if it will ever work out.19:20
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mikkov_I could do some consultation 100e/h :)19:21
X-FadeI told them 10 times that qt4.5 is not in Extras. (qt 4.4 is)19:21
X-FadeAnd then I had to beg them not to link to extras-devel ;)19:22
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mikkov_yeah qt is problematic currently19:22
X-FadeAntonio told me that qt4.5 will probably promoted next week.19:22
X-FadeIf everthing goes well.19:23
mikkov_then there will both qt4.4 and qt4.5 programs in extras. not good19:23
X-FadeWell, as long as they have specified their dependencies correctly?19:23
mikkov_depencies is not problem, but limitited space in out tablets19:24
X-FadeYeah, true.19:24
mikkov_try to install both qt4.4 and qt4.5 :)19:24
mikkov_but I think there is actually only couple of qt programs anyway. Maybe they could be "forced" to qt4.519:25
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mikkov_but I really would like to try digia@web. Hopefully they get it released somehow19:27
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Stskeepslo slonopotamus19:31
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Martinatorhello, can anyone help me and give me a repository where I can find libgobject-2.0-0 and libgmodule-2.0-0? I need it for jalimo classpath.gtk installation19:40
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slonopotamushi, Stskeeps. how's mer going?19:46
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Stskeepsgoing fine - we have a developer meeting together with mozilla and maemo (i guess we're under maemo, but we're a focus area too), in end of may19:46
RST38h"BYD's "Mars" MID clamshell has a phone on the back, runs full Windows XP"19:46
StskeepsRST38h: 3 hours of idle?19:46
RST38hSts: Prolly less, but I guess "phone on the back" will work long after its host becomes a brick19:47
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StskeepsRST38h: true19:47
RST38hThe idea sounds though...19:47
slonopotamusStskeeps, they promise to make mozilla fast? :)19:48
Stskeepsslonopotamus: hehe19:48
RST38hSts: What is the agenda anyway? What are these mozilla folks bringing to the summit?19:48
StskeepsRST38h: well, it's a hands-on thing. i dunno what fennec and mozilla are bringing19:48
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Stskeepsi know what activity intentions people in Mer has, at least, and we try to plan in a structured manner19:49
RST38hSts: aha19:49
RST38hSts: not to have an agenda is disturbing though19:49
Stskeepswell, it's not presentations19:49
Stskeepsit's coding and discussions etc19:49
Stskeepsand perhaps some presentations but not the major part19:50
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RST38hIf it is coding, then the first question is "what are you gonna be coding"? Not hacking on the fennec code base, right? =)19:52
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Stskeepsit's Mozilla and/or Maemo, so19:53
Stskeepswhich means fremantle stars, Maemo community projects, Mer, etc19:54
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Stskeepsslonopotamus: no clue if you can use this, but the opensuse build people have a quite proper qemu-supported arm chroot these days (user level emulation)19:55
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slonopotamusStskeeps, well, qemu has it, not opensuse :)19:58
Stskeepsslonopotamus: they have qemu + patches, and ignore the opensuse thing19:58
Stskeepsbasically, i can build most stuff with just chroot19:58
slonopotamusgentoo people prefer hardcore crosscompiling :)19:58
slonopotamusand i chose native way :)19:59
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Stskeepsfair enough20:00
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lcukVDVsx, lbt : i would hazard a guess it was jacob20:02
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VDVsxlcuk, oh, I feared for you, I thought is was Sylar20:04
lbtand I was talking about itt20:04
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lcuklbt, the jedi training program? :D20:05
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VDVsxlcuk, jedi program ??20:11
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sistoit's coming...20:16
JvAVDVsx: When I make a comment on my own proposal, do others who has commented get a notice of this?20:17
JaffaMuwahahaha - for free wifi on Virgin trains you just have to sit close enough to first class and restrict your computer to a specific AP's MAC address20:17
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VDVsxJvA, yes, if they have your proposal updates subscribed20:18
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sistoso it's coming20:19
JvAVDVsx: ok :)20:19
Stskeepsany GSoC news on allocations yet?20:19
VDVsxStskeeps, April 2020:20
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lbthmm my tablet had its bootmenu blatted when app-mgr crashed....20:23
lbtit rebooted and a red 'don't interrupt' came up20:23
lbtit went to 20% and then rebooted into a 'standard' initfs20:23
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Stskeeps"don't interrupt"? O_o20:24
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* RST38h has now started to believe that Win7 installer requires a human sacrifice to complete20:28
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lbtStskeeps: I didn't interrupt, I didn't even cough!20:29
RST38hlbt: You LOOKED at it the wrong way!20:29
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lbtRST38h: surely the Win7 installer requires a human sacrifice to begin?20:30
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Stskeepslbt: SSU breaks the initfs, yeah20:30
Stskeepsjust Install bootmenu again20:30
RST38hlbt: Apparently, not. It is sneaky in this sense.20:30
Stskeepsand your items will be back20:30
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lbtmmm - it was my custom bootmenu using bootmenu.d IIRC  - did that get integrated20:31
lbtIt was a long time ago!20:31
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Stskeepswell it is bootmenu.d items still yet :P20:31
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GeneralAntillesThe applications categories continually manage to put me in a bad mood.21:06
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Stskeepsmaybe the whole intent was to piss the community so much off they took things into their own hands and conquer the maemo platform? ;p21:07
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* lbt has lost bootmenu?21:11
Stskeepsgrab the merinstaller and Install bootmenu, and it should be in /etc/bootmenu.d/*.item21:12
Stskeepsand install bootmenu will put it there21:12
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lbtit's like using someone elses machine - this partition is so old21:12
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GeneralAntillesIt'd be nice if we could just get the Talk transition over with so the conspiracy theories could end (well, or move on, anyway).21:26
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lbtyeah but when we own their souls it'll be too late anyhow...21:27
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GeneralAntillesWe need a couple major data loss bugs to get Nokia to ship an update.21:32
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lcukGeneralAntilles, thats actually a reasonable point lol21:34
tank-manabout those app categories, I saw two categories with the same name and same case, wtf21:35
lcuklbt, quick git thing.  i have the full git repo on libliqbase/.git    if i am in a subfolder (for instance) libliqbase/src and do git operations, do they go into the main repo as if i have called from the root21:37
lcukor do they just update the stuff in that one subfolder where i am21:37
GeneralAntillestank-man, one package was using the localizable form "user/accessories", so h-a-m localized it to "Accessories" and the other was just using "user/Accessories".21:38
GeneralAntillestank-man, change your locale to fr_FR or something.21:38
tank-mani usually just browse by "all" category21:39
GeneralAntillesYeah, so does everybody else21:39
GeneralAntillesbecause the categories and the browsing interface are shit21:39
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GeneralAntillesand Nokia can't be arsed to fix it.21:39
lcukcos you dont want to miss anything21:39
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lbtlcuk: yes - git always (~) operates on the main .git repo22:46
lcukthanks lbt i was just worried if i was 2 or 3 levels in whether i needed to rerun the commands from the base folder22:48
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lbtno, it's self-contained inside .git/ and that's where everything gitty lives (although it can look in each dir for control files like .gitexclude)22:50
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lcukahhh cool, so it just walks backwards until it finds the .git thats responsible22:51
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lbthmm bootmenu lost my entries...22:59
Stskeepsthey're in /etc/bootmenu.d on your original partition22:59
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lbthmm, I reflashed with the _rot kernel23:11
lbtbut I was in an alternate partition when I installed23:11
lbtso I guess my modules are there23:11
lbtso I guess I'll need to re-install the modules in the mmc before I get ext3 access...23:12
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tds5016hello has anyone else here dealt with gstreamer to stream a video with rtp?23:24
Stskeepsi have successfully done it once towards a VLC23:24
tds5016and if so, can someone help me read the stream in with a gstreamer pipeline?23:24
Stskeepsi would show you my notes but i think some bad virus rooted my pc :P23:24
tds5016Stskeeps:I have it working on vlc :-)23:25
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tds5016any idea how I can do it with gstreamer, and not the sdp file?23:26
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tds5016I need to encode the the video as an mp4 or something else :-/.23:27
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* b-man` gives up on Plawzix XP23:30
b-man`i'm jumping back into Mer :)23:30
Stskeepsb-man`: sane decision23:31
b-man`no matter what i did, Plawzix would not boot23:32
b-man`even with an angstrom base23:33
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cheng_99hi, does there anyone know how to set the appear time for hildon_banner_show_animation?23:43
cheng_99i made a animation bar, and want to destroy it after a process finished, how can i do it?23:44
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