IRC log of #maemo for Wednesday, 2009-04-08

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qwerty12_N800X-Fade: happen to be around?00:01
ShadowJKI suspect if wizardmounter can mount it, it should work in mplayer00:02
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Stskeepsqwerty12_N800: did you kill builder again? :P00:02
qwerty12_N800Nah, it's building for i386 when it shouldn't be. I know it's gonna fail so I was hoping he was around so I could tell him to kill the build.00:03
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qwerty12_N800He can't use his tar & feathers on me this time ;)00:04
Stskeepsqwerty12_N800: hmm, does packages normally accept CC= or how is it?00:06
VDVsxlcuk, ping00:07
qwerty12_N800Stskeeps: can't see why not00:08
Stskeepsqwerty12_N800: i have a crazy idea, so00:08
Stskeeps(..famous last words)00:08
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lcukqwerty12_N800, they should give you a login, you use the lions share of the cpu quota anyway00:09
qwerty12_N800hardly :), this is the only massive thing i've uploaded and i'm already fucking it up00:10
lcukheh yeah yeah00:10
VDVsxlcuk, I will pm you :)00:12
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qwerty12_N800mikkov_: I'm guessing that if I wish to build for armel only, I add Architecture: armel to the top of the control where the source package definition is?00:20
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lbtnight all00:47
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mikkov_qwerty12_N800: that's right. Usually there is Architecture: any00:57
qwerty12_N800mikkov_: thanks. this one didn't have t there and I thought changing it for the binary packages would suffice but it never occured to me to look at the changes. Doh! Thanks again :)00:59
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qwerty12_N800And the .changes do say any :(01:00
Macer_there is a law and order UK?01:04
Macer_does it teach the complexities of parliment or something?01:04
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RST38biscould someone tell me the latest usable fbreader version?01:27
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mgedminwhat's wrong with the laltest one?01:27
RST38bis0.10.7-1 i have behaves erratically01:28
GeneralAntillesRST38bis, the latest one, or the one before it, or the one before that.01:28
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RST38bisone you are using.01:28
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RST38bismine no longer scrolls right and goes haywire when i click on title bar01:29
* mgedmin uses... let me see... 0.10.5-101:29
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cheng_99hi, can anyone tell me how to use hildon_banner_show_animation, i made it showing on the windows, but i have i can tie it to my progress, say after 30 seconds, destroy the animation banner01:49
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Macerthe saga continues02:56
Macerwu tang02:56
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nikosapiDid anybody who submitted proposals for the GSOC get any comments on their proposals yet?02:58
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VDVsxalmost all the proposals have comments right now03:01
VDVsxnikosapi, are you a GSoC student ?03:01
nikosapiVDVsx: yes03:01
nikosapiI haven't recieved a comment yet03:02
nikosapiVDVsx: are you a mentor?03:03
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VDVsxnikosapi, humm, I think we already reviewed all proposal, except the barcode proposal, so you probably submit a proposal for barcode ?03:04
nikosapinope, mine is the gPodder and Panucci integration one03:04
VDVsxnikosapi, let me check :p03:05
nikosapithank you03:05
VDVsxnikosapi, ok, is under review, no concerns/questions raise by now, so no comments, everything seems to be ok, don't worry03:07
nikosapialright, thanks again VDVsx03:07
VDVsxnikosapi, but please subscribe to the updates (if you don't do that already)03:08
VDVsxdo -> did03:08
nikosapiI have, but I've been checking the page every day thinking that the updates weren't working :P03:08
VDVsxsometimes they work, lol03:09
VDVsxnikosapi, did you aplied for other org's too ?03:10
nikosapino, I may have but I didn't have any time03:10
nikosapiI found out that I lost my summer job two nights before the deadline so I wrote a proposal and now I'm hoping for the best03:11
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VDVsxIT job or other ?03:12
nikosapinot really IT, it's just some boring job that looks good on a CV and pays well03:13
nikosapibut because of the current economic climate they had to lay off a bunch of people and cancel their summer student program03:13
VDVsxwell, GSoC looks good on a CV :)03:14
nikosapiindeed it does03:14
nikosapiIt's just that I agreed to take the job a long time ago, I didn't think about the GSOC03:15
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Macerwell.. that kinda sucks05:03
Macerdamn artigo can't use opensolaris05:03
Macerwhat a let down05:04
Macermaybe i will use fbsd 7.1 on it05:04
* b-man` has decided to use angstrom as a base for Plawzix - the original LFS base would not function properly and was too large for what it provided :P05:09
b-man`lots of debugging junk :P05:10
Maceri honestly don't know what any of those things are05:10
Macerwhat is plawzix?05:10
b-man`a distribution that i'm creating05:10
b-man`embedded devices05:11
Maceroh.. i see05:11
Macersomeone needs to start making opensolaris embedded distributions :)05:11
Maceri love opensolaris a lot. it really is pretty badass05:12
Macerif anything just for zfs05:12
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Macerwhen is linux going to get some real type of zfs support? the world should run off zfs05:12
Macerdamnit. i started to install gnome and now i am regretting that i did05:13
Macerlxde is better for this box05:13
Maceri'm going to use it as a small server and i don't know what i was thinking but now i'm too far into it to go back05:14
Macerwas thinking about using the artigo as a desktop before i thought it rhough05:14
Macerthrough too05:14
Macersomething i do need to learn how to do is set up an auth server using something05:14
Macermaybe ldap05:14
Macerright now i wouldn't care if i was able to getit going with nis :)05:15
b-man`if your using it as a server wouldn't you think it's not nessasary for a desktop env?05:15
Macerin hindsight.. yet :)05:15
Macerbut i wanted to see it as a desktop first05:16
Maceri am trying to move my company to zimbra using small systems as clients.. like an artigo05:16
Macerand i am working on setting everything up to present it05:16
Macerlxde would have been a better choice though.. hopefully debian won't just start using gnome05:17
Macerso far i have finished the main server and am working on clients05:17
b-man`it probably will :(05:17
Macerit is hard to wean companies off the microsoft machine05:17
Macerit's ok. i have time to re-install05:17
Macerlxde is very lightweight for something that is a "bulky" enviroment05:18
* b-man` needs to start building a repository for Plawzix05:18
Macerwhat type of embedded systems are you looking at?05:18
b-man`Nokia n8x0, Zerus, ect05:19
Macerwhat is your distro based on?05:19
b-man`(was originally Linux From Scratch)05:20
Macerso you are basically  making a whole new distor with pkg management?05:20
b-man`yup :)05:21
Macerwhat was wrong with mer?05:21
Maceryou should have based it off of an opensolaris kernel.. at the very least to be "different"05:22
b-man`nothing, i just wanted a to create a non-apt distribution for the NIT's really05:22
Macerthere are already 9234809237823749279 embedded linux things out there05:22
b-man`not shure05:22
Maceri'm honestly sick of seeing linux stuff haha05:22
Macerit's like pokemon.. it was cool when nobody knew what it was .. but now it has become this behemmoth that is just... almost irritating05:23
Maceri mean i am trying to think of how many devices don't use a linux based embedded system05:23
* b-man` wonders if linux would sometime even take over microsoft XD05:24
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Maceri doubt it05:25
Maceri was very nervous about ms buying yahoo tho05:25
Macerbecause they would squash zimbra05:25
GeneralAntillesThe issue is not that too many people are using it05:25
Macerthat would be horrible05:25
GeneralAntillesthe issue is that there are too many Linux distributions that nobody uses at all.05:26
MacerGeneralAntilles: true05:26
Macerit is overdone05:26
Macerthat is from nazi distribution tactics05:26
GeneralAntillesand, especially in the embedded space, there's just too much fragmentation.05:26
Macerpeople get sick of the distro's rules and say "screw you i will make my own"05:26
Macerthen they turn into the hitlers05:26
GeneralAntillesWe need a strong embedded distro05:26
Macerand someone else does the same05:26
GeneralAntillesthat isn't Atom pandering silliness or Java insanity.05:26
b-man`GeneralAntilles: Mer? :)05:27
Macerdon't forget the C705:27
Macer;) which is the same thing as an atom.. my artigo is considered an "embedded system"05:27
Macerpersonally it hink it works more as a desktop. but i suppose that is just me05:27
MacerGeneralAntilles: i think you are right05:28
Macerthere are too many out there.. but like i said that usually spawns from someone starting a distro and then making a developer disgruntled.. which winds up being a fork05:28
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Macerdidnt't they use angstrom on a n77005:29
Macersomeone needs to make a new os with new tools :)05:30
GeneralAntillesE17 just isn't all the pleasant to use.05:30
Maceri mean.. looking at it... it seems that the world uses 20 yr old tech05:30
Maceras far as software goes05:30
Maceri mean the whole "well.. it works" argument only goes so far05:30
* b-man` gets a "bash: /usr/bin/sudo: cannot execute binary file" in his terminal O.o05:31
Macerthere hasn't been a new thing in a long time05:31
Macerjust enhancements of the same old things05:31
b-man`yup :P05:31
Maceri mean it would be good if i could see just a completely new os that isn't based on anything come out05:31
GeneralAntillesThat's a rather excessive generalization05:32
MacerGeneralAntilles: is it? :)05:32
GeneralAntillesIt is.05:32
GeneralAntillesBesides, why?05:32
Macername one service that is out there that has been made in the last year05:32
GeneralAntillesIs there really such a huge advantage to just starting from scratch on everything that it'd be worth all that extra effort?05:32
Macer(such as httpd... dns... ftp.... etc)05:32
Macermaybe considering that everything is all the same05:32
Macerthat is like saying "we can make red shirts.. and they work.. so why make any other color05:33
GeneralAntillesNetwork services hardly make an OS05:33
Macername something that has been made new as far as an "operating system" in the last year05:33
GeneralAntillesYour argument seems to be that there's been zero inovation in the past 10 years05:33
GeneralAntillesWhich is clearly false.05:33
Macernot really05:34
Macerenhancement on old innovation is new innovation05:34
Macerobviously there have been advancements in order to keep up with hardware05:34
Macerbut i would still only consider it enhancement of old tech05:34
GeneralAntillesWee, another silly #maemo discussion.05:34
Macerisnt that what irc is for ? :)05:34
* GeneralAntilles switches to watching the Office for his doesn't of silliness.05:34
* Macer wonders how old ircd is 05:36
Macerif someone made a flying car that can warp space in order to defeat gravity as an innovation05:36
Macerthat would be something new :) we are all stuck with the same old05:37
Maceror better of the same old05:37
Macernothing more05:37
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Macerrealistically speaking.. other than the atom bomb and PCs .. there hasn't been anything really innovative in decades :)05:38
Macereinstein was the last innovative person05:38
Macereven in science .. people have just been enhancing his work :)05:39
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Maceractually. all they have been doing is proving it05:39
Macerwe need another einstein05:39
b-man`step one: start using 0?1!6Ω34 instead of 100110 machine languages in computers for better prosessing XD05:43
b-man`lol, jk XD05:43
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* b-man` figures out the sudo issue: the file was somehow marked read-only during installation in Plawzix :P05:47
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Macerok... what is this xd crap people are doing?05:53
Maceri think i am out of the loop05:53
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genewitchi want to get a GPS receiver for my N800, any idea what i should be looking for?06:31
GeneralAntillesSomething MTK-based06:31
GeneralAntillesi-blue 737 is a good choice06:31
genewitchdoes that have a screen?06:32
GeneralAntillesYou want a GPS receiver for your N800, why do you need a screen?06:32
genewitchJust checkin :-)06:32
genewitch$60 on ebay06:32
genewitchthat works for me.06:32
genewitchone other thing, anyone know the amp/volt rating of the charger?06:33
GeneralAntillesAmazon should have it cheaper06:33
genewitch3 volt?06:33
GeneralAntilleser 89006:33
GeneralAntilles5.7v, I believe06:33
genewitchmy car adapter doesn't have that feature06:33
GeneralAntillesYou can get Nokia adapters for about $2 from Amazon.06:34
genewitchi just ran a new 8 gauge cable in my truck to wire in a 3 outlet 12v adapter thing06:34
genewitchI'm making my first n800 into a car stereo06:34
genewitchwith gps06:34
genewitchand my second one as my "PDA"06:34
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genewitchthe i-blue 820 is cheaper06:37
GeneralAntillesNot familiar with it.06:39
genewitchi couldn't find specs06:39
jaemhello folks06:39
genewitch$10 at the risk of it not working is not good savings06:39
GeneralAntillesSmaller battery06:39
genewitchI'll get the one you mentioned, thanks for your help you're awesome06:39
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fireungenewitch: you have a fuse inline as well, right?06:44
fireunhopefully a small one06:45
genewitchfireun: there's two fuses06:45
fireunoh good, you made it sound "simple"06:45
genewitch15A on the 8 gauge and then a much smaller one on the outlet box themselves06:45
genewitchOh, i've run plenty of electric stuff in cars, i even resealed the firewall!06:46
genewitchI ran 8 gauge cause i want a small amp in there too06:46
fireunyou know how it is06:46
fireunsome people are more enthusiastic than actually 'wise'06:47
genewitchnow i just gotta get a new cellphone that supports bluetooth and a data package and i can stream music while i drive.06:50
genewitchAhhh, luxury.06:50
fireunI'm having a hell of a time finding COTS low power data acquisition nodes - I thought TI had a decent widget, the MSP430-2500, but it only has one ADC and i2c, and problems with linux support. Close, but not quite.06:51
GeneralAntillesThat's hit and miss06:51
GeneralAntillesHighly dependent on the quality of your local 3g coverage06:52
GeneralAntillesand most areas with good coverage tend to be spotty anyway.06:52
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rm_youanyone know if pandora works on G1?06:58
rm_youor SOMETHING of the sort?06:58
fireunwhat does it have for music?06:59
rm_youdunno :/06:59
fireunwell, >look< (:06:59
rm_youwas just thinking about getting one06:59
rm_youso i can tether it to my n80007:00
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rm_youi know where i am :)07:00
* rm_you pokes GeneralAntilles 07:00
GeneralAntillesrm_you, wait for the RX-51?07:01
rm_youyeah i know, right?07:01
* GeneralAntilles stabs rm_you with a steak knife.07:01
rm_youwas poking through ITT threads today07:01
rm_youreading your post about Council Bacon rations made me hungry :P07:01
GeneralAntillesYou can't have any of mine.07:01
rm_youanyway yeah, was just thinking about how i haven't heard ANYTHING new about the RX-51 since the summit :/07:01
rm_youbeen too long away from the scene :/07:02
rm_yousummer should change that again07:02
rm_youespecially since I think johnx has designs on my time (something about Mer)07:02
GeneralAntillesSince the Summit?07:02
GeneralAntillesThere's an RX-71, too.07:02
rm_youwell, feel free to fill me in / link me to anything (no rickrolls tho plz :P)07:03
GeneralAntillesCovers the relevant kernel info07:03
GeneralAntillesRX-71 we only have a single mention of07:03
GeneralAntillesso it could be anything07:03
rm_youi thought i read this07:03
GeneralAntillesWell, then, [12:01am] <rm_you> anyway yeah, was just thinking about how i haven't heard ANYTHING new about the RX-51 since the summit :/ is a lie. :P07:04
rm_youwell, this isn't really new, it's recap :/07:04
rm_youmost of this was said at the summit07:04
GeneralAntillesNot from the Summit07:04
GeneralAntillesNo it wasn't07:05
rm_youi was hoping for more like... a release date and pics :P07:05
GeneralAntillesSummit was: Fremantle will support OMAP3, HSPA, and HD cameras07:05
zakkmwhats HSPA?07:05
GeneralAntillesNothing about a second camera, FM RX/TX, accelerometers or anything else.07:05
GeneralAntilles3G data07:05
zakkmso like wimax, but relying on cellphone "data plans" ?07:06
GeneralAntillesIt's cellular data.07:06
zakkmso no phone at all?07:06
zakkmand cellphone data is expensive.07:06
GeneralAntillesrm_you, review for the bullet point highlights07:07
rm_youprobably will be able to do what G1/iPhone do07:07
GeneralAntillesI pay $20/mo for  mine.07:07
rm_youget a contract with a carrier via nokia negotiations07:07
zakkmGeneralAntilles: how much you get? GB?07:07
rm_youyeah i'm there now GA :P07:07
zakkmhere you get only like 3gb for $20 a month07:07
zakkmdang where do you live? :P07:07
GeneralAntillesIn practice, it's probably about 25GB07:07
* GeneralAntilles stabs Comcast repeatedly.07:08
zakkmi live in Toronto, Canada and cant get anywhere near that07:08
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rm_youah i missed the april sprint :( sadness07:08
rm_youah well07:08
zakkm25gb would be like $100 if your lucky07:08
GeneralAntillesrm_you, wait for the RX-51/7107:08
GeneralAntillesDon't be a Google whore07:08
rm_youGA: I need a PHONE >_>07:08
zakkmget a iphone :)07:08
GeneralAntillesAT&T just got the E7107:08
rm_youand the N97 is like a billion dollars >_>07:08
rm_youmy phone is basically falling apart07:09
Khertanmikkov_: Hey thks mikkov for the comment on pygtkeditor07:09
rm_yousometimes it just doesnt tell me about calls, it just vibrates and says "missed call"07:09
GeneralAntillesWhat carrier are you on?07:09
Khertanmikkov_: i receive the mail and can see the comment on maemo.org07:09
rm_youand it turns itself off like 4 times a day from me bumping it too hard07:09
rm_youthus G107:09
zakkmyou have a G1?07:09
jaemrm_you: my phone is worse... it doesn't even vibrate07:10
jaemat all07:10
rm_youoh and about 50% of the calls I make, the other person can't hear me07:10
zakkmi like the browser but it was so weirddd android07:10
jaemexcept when I put it on vibrate, as an indicator - just not for calls07:10
rm_youzakkm: no, don't have one yet. thinking about it07:10
zakkmif someone can put that browser in maemo, ill be so jealousss :p07:10
zakkmthe android browser is so cool07:10
GeneralAntillesG1 seems like a lot of phone (and expensive) to pair with a tablet07:10
rm_youif it can do Pandora i'd bite, cause then i'd a2dp the audio to my car and listen to pandora everywhere :P07:11
rm_youG1 is like $17907:11
rm_youwhich is cheap compared to anything else with those capabilities :/07:11
GeneralAntillesI'm biased against Google, though.07:11
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rm_youI'm biased against bias? >_>07:11
rm_youi guess that makes me a hypocrite, since i'm biased against something, even if it happens to be bias07:11
jaemI'm not overly paranoid about Google, but I prefer to only use their services when there is no better alternative07:12
rm_youoh, yeah, i'd probably sign over my soul if they asked nicely enough O_o07:12
jaemat least Android is (mostly?) FOSS, so you can /check/ how much of your info you're giving them07:12
rm_youi should try to keep that from happening07:13
GeneralAntillesrm_you, honestly, there seems to be an increasingly large possibility that one of the next tablets could be a phone.07:13
rm_youthen it'd be a slightly larger N97 with a different OS07:13
rm_youi'd buy that :)07:13
jaemGeneralAntilles: that would indeed please me, given that I don't have money for a new tablet AND a new phone07:13
GeneralAntillesWith a dev discount07:13
jaemwhat have you heard?07:13
GeneralAntillesjaem, nothing that nobody else hasn't.07:14
rm_youdepends on if i get off my ass and do something, and continue to07:14
jaemthere hasn't been any more information in the last two or three weeks, has there?07:14
rm_youthis semester sucks. of course, i say that every semester. probably because school in general sucks.07:14
jaemI've been a bit out of the loop07:14
rm_yousummer is usually good07:14
rm_youi get 99% of my work done during the summer07:14
GeneralAntillesRelease whatever queued adv-backlight patches you have as individual updates.07:14
GeneralAntillesjaem, no.07:15
zakkmthe new gmail is awesome :D07:15
zakkmfrom G1 / iphone07:15
GeneralAntillesSome flags in the code from the alpha SDK, various comments in a few places.07:15
zakkmthey redid the site for it07:15
rm_youzakkm: I would be about to graduate from college if i hadn't slacked off a bit the last few years... one extra semester, so i'll be done in december07:15
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zakkmisnt it expensive?07:15
rm_youspent too much time on #maemo :P07:15
rm_youerr, yes technically >_>07:16
rm_youdont make me think about it07:16
rm_youi'm happy in denial/ignorance :)07:16
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rm_youand theres nothing i can do about it now07:16
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rm_you$15k a semester, approx >_>07:16
GeneralAntillesNo scholarships?07:17
rm_youfortunately no loans till this semester07:17
rm_youwell, mine run out after this year07:17
rm_youso next semester is all me07:17
GeneralAntillesShoulda signed up for GSoC. :P07:17
zakkmyou donthave to pay back post?07:18
rm_youjust next semester07:18
rm_youso i should be graduating with only 15k or so in debt >_>07:19
zakkmwow why?07:19
GeneralAntillesSchool costs mony07:20
zakkmno i mean07:20
zakkmat 10k a year, and graduating with only 15k in debt?07:20
zakkmwhat am i missing07:20
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KhertanStskeeps: are you here ?07:25
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fireunzakkm: grants, scholarships, other outside sponsorships?07:30
zakkmthats amazing07:31
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rm_youzakkm: anyway, i said 15k per semester.... it's actually more like 30-35k per year08:11
rm_youthanks to my grandmother, i had a college fund <_<08:11
zakkmoh snap08:11
rm_youi did have a total of 20k in scholarship over the whole 4 years...08:12
rm_youwhich helped some or i would have depleted that fund even earlier08:12
rm_youah well gotta run to bed08:12
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JaffaWifi on trains, whatever next.09:46
JaffaMorning, all09:46
Jaffa(and this one is free for the moment which is practically unheard of  in the UK)09:47
LinuxCodeon buses09:47
LinuxCodeJaffa, virgin ?09:47
LinuxCodeor first ?09:47
qwerty12Oxford tube has it iirc09:47
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JaffaLinuxCode: Virgin Pendolinos. Suppose to be free in first class, but I got on for free in coach E by just hitting the "logon" button09:48
JaffaBut it's not fully launched yet09:48
JaffaSo mebbe they'll fix that (and I'll go and stand in a vestibule ;-))09:49
LinuxCodewhats wrong with 3g/gprs ?09:49
LinuxCodeok its not free as in FOSS09:49
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JaffaWest Coast mainline really bad for reception, and I don't have any inclusive data on Vodafone09:50
Jaffa1.50ukp per day for up to 15MB - ooooh :-/09:51
qwerty12"Normally it takes about 15-30 minutes for the package to be processed." <- Oh, I wish that was the case.09:51
* Jaffa has his eye on three's PAYG 5ukp a month data plan for a couple of gig when the RX-?1 is released09:53
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JaffaX-Fade: ping10:02
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b0unc3_good morning10:06
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anders_gudHi Stskeeps! I get pressure information from tslib, xinput on Mer, but gtk does not pick it up?10:32
StsN800hmm, that's interesting10:33
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StsN800can you file a bug on it on ?10:33
anders_gudyou have to compile gtk with xinput yes?10:34
anders_gudif something is missing there...?10:34
StsN800hmm, that could be a reason10:34
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StsN800libxi-dev is a dependancy at least10:39
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anders_gudI'll file a bug10:48
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anders_gudSparse info - I'll fill in more later, have to go... Bye!10:53
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X-FadeMyrtti: Thanks, I needed that.10:55
MyrttiX-Fade: I'm going on my second pot10:56
MyrttiI'm not particularly happy this morning10:56
X-FadeMyrtti: We'll me neither. After almost seeing my car and house go up in flames, not so great.10:56
MyrttiI had to wake up at Stupid O'Clock because He had a conference call with someone who didn't think about the time difference between UK and Finland10:57
Myrttibut no, not going to complain more about that10:58
MyrttiI just need more coffee and painkillers10:58
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X-FadeMy house is on the left. The little twingo's bumper and tail lights melted..11:00
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LinuxCodeX-Fade, got nicked and they then torched it ?11:00
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X-FadeLinuxCode: Yes, looks like it. The car was there for about 3 days. (Well parked correctly)11:01
X-FadeAnd after the fire we notices the plates were gone. (Foreign plates)11:01
LinuxCodesome stupid kids probably just torched it11:01
LinuxCodelooked foreign so they thought, lets burn it11:02
X-FadeAnd moved it forward 3m first? :)11:02
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Myrttijoy and happiness without painkillers is pretending11:03
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LinuxCodeX-Fade, hehe yeh thats very interesting11:09
LinuxCodebut maybe it caught fire and then the breaks went11:09
LinuxCodebefore it really got bad11:09
X-FadeNah, the parking spaces aren't level. They go up and then go down. So that is not really possible.11:10
LinuxCodepeculiar for sure11:12
X-FadeYeah, I guess I was lucky. If the car had been in it's original space, it would have been 50cm from my outer wall.11:12
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JaffaX-Fade: there were sxome karma changes yesterday, weren't there? There seems to have been a big drop and change in the top 1011:19
* Jaffa reads some scroll back and erks11:20
X-FadeJaffa: bergie fixed a bug in karma for these ghost users. Maybe some people benefited from ghost mails too?11:21
JaffaX-Fade: or the mail detection code is broke11:22
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X-FadeJaffa: He applied patches for bugzilla and media wiki numbers.11:23
X-FadeLooks pretty sane to me.11:23
X-FadeAh, I know what happened ;)11:25
X-FadeIt is the correction I applied a while ago to give discussion(mails) a karma modifier of 1.11:26
X-FadeTo get it in line with the what was written in the wiki.11:26
X-FadeBut it just got applied now.11:26
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X-FadeWas not applied to not affect the election IIRC.11:29
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aquatixX-Fade: that Opel is on fire!11:39
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X-Fadeaquatix: Mercedes Vito, but close ;)11:40
aquatixah yes11:40
aquatixthought those wheels looked ancient11:40
aquatixold opels have similar looking ones11:40
aquatixweird stuff though11:41
X-FadeTried to push that audi away, but it was in park...11:41
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aquatixmeh, can't read that Dutch looking street sign :)11:43
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wazd_n800hello world11:53
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Stskeepshello mobile wazd11:54
lcukX-Fade, you dont have to set fire to everyone who wont buy nokia11:54
X-Fadelcuk: Heh ;)11:55
lcukor is that where the server resides and its the aftermath of qwertys latest experiment11:55
RST38hmoo all11:56
RST38hheya wazd11:56
lcukmornin rs11:56
lcuk38h umm11:56
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X-Fadelcuk: Nah, qwerty12_N800 's package compiled without breaking the builder this time ;)11:57
X-FadeAlthough it failed in the i386 part, but still ;)11:58
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wazd_n800such a perfect day in moscow12:04
wazd_n800sun is shining, birds are singing and i'm standing in a fucking jam12:04
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mgedminall you need is some pancakes to go with that jam12:05
RST38hmgedmin: Update on the yesterday problem:12:06
RST38hmgedmin: I now do not think FBReader 0.10.7 was to blame, looks like it crashed at some point and corrupted config12:06
* mgedmin doesn't remember any yesterday's problems12:06
mgedminuh oh, scary12:06
RST38hOnce I manually tweaked config values, it started behaving normal12:07
lcukRST38h, accepting corrupted input as valid is a blamable offense isnt it12:08
* lcuk has been stung by that one also in the past12:09
RST38hlcuk: it is, but I feel like excusing FBReader for it12:09
RST38hit was intenral config data (not easily corruptable) and the app itself is very useful12:09
lcuk:) indeed, if it is a bug with it saving its prefs or loading incorrectly the guys are quite responsive12:10
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lcuki filed a bug once when they updated and had wiped out my ability to read past a certain page on any book12:10
lcukit was torture12:10
Stskeepsand hence lcuk never finished harry potter12:11
wazd_n800...and tablet is hanging)12:11
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RST38his it possible to FINISH harry potter?12:14
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RST38hcould somebody do it already? please?12:14
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StskeepsRST38h: i think the latest case of another HP child actor growing his own marijuana plantage in his UK home probably helps12:15
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RST38hSts: this is way to weak to affect the timeline, unfortunately12:16
lcukStskeeps, it was bad (but i havent read any of the harry pothead books)12:16
glassi've read 'em12:16
glassread the first 3 or so while in military12:16
lcukmy son has12:16
glassthe english in them is super easy12:17
glassbut the books are printed on purpose to be thicker than they should12:17
glassthat sucks bigtime12:17
mgedmine-books solve that particular problem ;-)12:18
RST38hThe English is pretty bland there12:18
mgedminalthough I have seen e-books where all the text was *in bold*12:18
RST38hFeels like it has been written by an accountant12:18
glassRST38h: yeah so they make for easy reading for non english folk12:18
glassand fast to read too..12:18
* RST38h , as non-English folk, prefers good English12:18
lbtmeh - got a lot of people reading again - can't be all bad12:19
mgedminit's better than, say, the da vinci code12:19
RST38hglass: leaves the aftertaste of toilet paper though =(12:19
RST38hmgedmin: well, THAT goes without argument12:19
glassRST38h: yep but still, i've read crappier books12:19
lbtthe bible?12:20
* RST38h especially liked how the Da Vinci Code movie was financed by the Church of Scientology =)12:20
* lbt ducks12:20
RST38hlbt: Which version? What translation?12:20
RST38hglass: Oh definitely12:20
lbtthere's more than one?12:20
mgedminheh, when I was in SF, I walked past a building with that label12:20
mgedminI was kinda afraid somebody might jump out and kidnap me12:21
RST38hglass: Like that old guy writing endless stories about medieval armored mice12:21
glassRST38h: haha12:21
glassRST38h:  this book is my number 1 on suckage12:21
glassgot it as a gift12:21
glasskept getting stupidier and stupidier12:21
RST38hglass: Well, my top of the suck list is occupied by Russian "SF" writers12:22
glassi like some of that stuff12:22
RST38hglass: Can't beat those, although I can theoretically conject on how you would do it in English12:22
glassthey had a good reason to write sf though, censorship12:22
RST38hglass: I do not mean Soviet ones12:23
glassyou mean like, that one thing that had those movies made out of iti?12:23
RST38hglass: I mean the current crap, like Lukyanenko, attempts to plagiarize badly translated mediocre English SF stories12:23
glassforgot it's name12:23
glassnightwatch or something12:23
RST38hglass: That is Lukyanenko12:23
glassah :)12:23
RST38hglass: Former child psychologist12:24
glassaha, i'm not too familiar with it12:24
RST38hglass: no reason to get familiar12:24
glassmost sf i've read was written in 50-9012:24
glassyeah i figured12:24
RST38hglass: It was good back then, but currently there is at most 2-3 decent Russian-language SF writers12:25
RST38hApparently, censorship helped weeding out obvious crap12:25
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svuthere were Strugatsky brothers...12:38
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RST38hsvu: And the stuff they have written is still mighty good and even relevant12:43
svuwell, to some extent...12:44
MyrttiI can't help but to think I'm with stupid (and I'm alone)12:44
svuno there at least 2 of us12:45
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Stskeepsjeremiah_: good post - hope it'll lead to a proper definition of how things are13:18
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Myrttiand of course, no one of the people I need is online *GRRRRRRR*13:24
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RST38hMyrtti: Won't cheap synthetic substitutes do?13:39
Myrttifuck this, I'll go and have a bacon butty and some cranberry juice.13:40
Stskeeps <- want.13:40
Myrttiatleast I'll be annoyed *AND* wellfed13:40
lcukdid someone mention bacon?13:40
RST38hSts: Probably costs a fortune13:41
* RST38h wonders if it has a built-in catheter13:42
lcukMyrtti, anything we can help with13:42
StskeepsRST38h: hw wise it's kinda like a tablet though13:42
lcukwow Stskeeps that has to make buzz lightyear laser noises13:42
Stskeepsah, militaryaerospace13:42
RST38hSts: tablet isn't very special hardware wise, so just about any ARM-based gadget will look like it13:43
lcukwow, it runs linux and wince, is this one of those vmware jobbies :P :D13:44
RST38hSts: bringing back the SF topic, this looks like something out of Hyperion Cantos13:44
Stskeepsit looks like something out of futurama13:44
RST38hSts: So, it has to have built in med diagnostics and ways to transfer medication13:44
Stskeepsautomatic morphine injection13:46
RST38hSts: that too (it was part of the military suit)13:46
RST38hand a beta-voltaic power source to feed it all =)13:47
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Myrttigrilled cheese bacon butty nomnom13:56
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* Stskeeps ponders idly if jaiku has become more sucky after move to google engine13:57
Stskeepscan't find api info, can't see beyond 25 people in the channel, etc13:57
StskeepsX-Fade: what service was it you people were on again?13:58
Myrtti♥ qaiku ♥13:58
X-FadeBetter than jaiku ;)13:58
Stskeepsmicroblogging really need federation13:59
Stskeepsand interoperability13:59
Myrttidream on13:59
Stskeepsyeah, i know13:59
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X-FadeWell, it will probably work with Mauku in the near future.14:00
* RST38h still does not understand what the purpose of microblogging is14:00
X-FadeAs soon as bergie designs the api ;)14:00
StskeepsRST38h: it's a good way to ad to awareness in a team14:00
Stskeepsfor instance14:00
RST38hMyrtti: <twitter><time>12:00</time>Taking a shit.</twitter>14:01
andre__if you're too lazy to write a blog post and if you think that a one-liner is not worth a blogpost, you use a microblogging service14:01
* RST38h never feels like writing a blog post14:01
aquatixandre__: or just don't post it ;)14:01
andre__yeah. that's the issue here :-P14:01
* aquatix sticks with regular rants on his weblog14:01
suihkulokkiyou could do like Grg, just pipe shell commands to microblogger:
* Myrtti puts everything on qaiku and lets twitterfeed and federate it all over14:05
* Stskeeps tries a apt-get install hildon-desktop-env to see if today might be the day the freerunner becomes a mer/hildon device14:05
Stskeepsexcellent. :)14:06
* RST38h imagines his shell commands blogged: mail; mail; mail; pine; mail; pine; rm -rf; mail; ...14:06
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Stskeepsmm, pine14:06
suihkulokkifor emacs users it is "08:30 emacs" and "16:30 logout"14:08
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RST38h16:32 while my user is taking a piss let us see what this command does... -- emacs14:09
Myrttimy top ten doesn't even have emacs :-)14:10
* Myrtti kicks debian installer in the groin14:11
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Myrttiplease be a good little installer for mommy and I'll give you more physical ram to use14:12
_berto_can you actually use a computer without emacs ?? :-m            ;-)14:14
* RST38h suggests Myrtti tries Win7 installer for a change14:14
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Myrttiinstalling one little debian in virtualbox shouldn't be this hard14:16
_berto_there are already pre-installed debian images to download at oszoo.org14:17
* Myrtti stares _berto_ maliciously14:18
Stskeepssuihkulokki: btw, - we're verifying mer packages build on both lenny and jaunty, so it should be easier to adopt packages if need be14:18
Stskeeps / bring upstream14:18
_berto_Myrtti: why? (I haven't read the full conversation, have I said anything wrong?)14:19
Myrtti_berto_: ok, sorry, checked what images were available there and none are the kind I want, I apologize14:19
Myrtti_berto_: the stare was of the "why did you tell me that now when I've tried to install this piece of junk for three hours now"14:20
_berto_it wasn't that difficult to install debian in a virtual machine last time I tried14:20
Myrtti_berto_: sure, but mine seems to halt in some point of the installation without explanations14:21
Myrttilike now when trying to set up grub14:21
_berto_(never tried with virtualbox actually, only with KVM)14:21
RST38h"...and the Penguin came to him for the three nights and tempted him...and on the third night he succumbed to the Penguin..."14:22
* Myrtti gives up and installs kvm and all the other possible solutions14:22
RST38h"...and paid dearly for his fall by having to write shell script and wait video in xterm for the rest of his life."14:22
_berto_Myrtti: do you have hardware virtualization support?14:23
Myrtti_berto_: yes.14:23
* RST38h giggles at the mention of hardware virtualization14:23
MyrttiI have SuSE running on the same host fine14:23
Mikho_would anybody know how to pair fixed pin code bluetooth devices with ubuntu 8.10?14:32
Mikho_the bluetooth wizard tells me to enter a random pin on the device to be pairedm, and won't let me input the pin fixed in the device14:33
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tank-mansolution is don't use the wizard and manually edit the config file ;)14:33
Mikho_which config file? where are the pairings14:33
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qgilhi, thanks X-Fade and Eero for the work done in the sponsorship request form14:34
qgil is open now14:35
tank-manMikho_, well that probably depends on the distribution14:35
tank-manand i dont use ubuntu14:35
tank-manmaybe in /etc/bluetooth/passkeys/14:36
Stskeepsqgil, X-Fade: says "registration closed"14:36
Mikho_there's no such directory14:36
tank-manyea different distro, different setup14:37
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Stskeepsbut then again, i might be chained in with my login14:38
Myrttiatleast qemu is a bit faster than virtualbox.14:38
qgilStskeeps: mmm maybe because of timezones? wait14:39
Stskeepsah, open for registration 2009-04-08 14:16:38 might be why14:39
qgilsts changed and seems to be that, yes14:40
qgilnow is open14:40
Stskeepsalright - ta14:40
Stskeepsjust probing around14:40
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Stskeepsi'll make a writeup of the generic goal of Mer on the weekend later and use that as a guideline for activities relating to Mer in that weekend14:42
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Stskeepsqgil: also, now there seems to be a conflict between registered on and on maemo.org14:44
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Stskeepslike, - the one acts like it's the primary registration sortof14:45
qgilStskeeps: no, no, this one is only about request sponsorship14:45
Stskeepsalright, might be worth noting then14:45
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qgila bit confusing yes, but we wanted to avoif having to register to for the Mozillas only folks14:45
qgiland they didn't have something to deal with sponsorship requests14:45
Stskeepsas it says Register for this event14:45
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qgilStskeeps: but that page will be only linked from
Stskeepsfair enough14:46
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Stskeepsignore my registration saying no sponsorship needed then ;)14:47
X-FadeStskeeps: Quick hack to do this ;)14:47
qgilI will use it as a test Stskeeps14:47
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qgilStskeeps: let me know when you receive an email with the rejection  :)14:48
qgilso is this page visible to everybody?
qgilor wait
qgilthis one with http14:49
Stskeepswith login, yes14:50
Stskeepsor not, hmm14:50
Stskeepsnop, not accessible14:51
X-FadeStskeeps: Shouldn't be?14:51
X-FadeShould present you with the login screen only.14:51
Stskeepsyeah - login screen only14:51
Stskeepscan't log in14:51
Stskeepswas too quick on the trigger :)14:51
RST38hit does14:53
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VDVsxX-Fade, seems that the discussion karma gone again :)15:00
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RST38hAnyone installed Digia already?15:07
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Stskeepsqgil: approved registration, additional information with title/description/start/end date blank15:22
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qgilStskeeps: do you say you received an approved registration but not an email rejecting you? anyway, X-Fade will test more15:29
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qgilI need to leave now15:29
StskeepsX-Fade: yeah, approved registration15:30
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qwerty12Shame it's an v.old revision now though...15:38
X-Fadeqwerty12: At least it worked ;)15:38
qwerty12X-Fade, and didn't destroy the autobuilder in the process (this time) ;)15:38
Stskeeps <- comments?15:38
X-Fadeqwerty12: Only armel?15:39
qwerty12X-Fade, yeah, i386 build fails (ironic, I know...)15:39
X-Fadeqwerty12: But you need that for SDK compilation?15:39
qwerty12X-Fade, I never touch DIABLO_X86 ;)15:40
qwerty12Only annoyance is that packages depending on it will have to have their arch set to armel...15:40
X-Fadeqwerty12: Any idea why it failed?15:41
qwerty12But let's give it a test: I've fixed up midori 0.1.4 to compile under Diablo...15:41
qwerty12g++ couldn't handle it15:41
qwerty12"sbox-i686-linux-g++: Internal error: Killed (program cc1plus)"15:41
X-Fadeqwerty12: OOM ?15:42
qwerty12And it was building for i386 twice so it's not a one time only incident15:42
qwerty12No idea, I'd have thought ARMEL builds would be more prone to an OOM :)15:42
X-FadeOnly 1 GB ram in there :(15:42
qwerty12Heh, would explain a bit :)15:43
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lardmanafternoon chaps15:50
RST38hmoo lardman15:50
qwerty12ello lardman (and props for using BST ;P) :)15:50
lardmaneven without BST it's afternoon ;)15:50
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RST38hSo, any thoughts on Digia?15:51
StskeepsX-Fade: hah @ activity log: monitored autobuilder for qwerty12 ;)15:52
qwerty12What can I say? I obviously get the VIP treatment ;P15:52
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X-FadeStskeeps: Yeah, that is an active job as it can really die on the spot ;)15:52
* lardman wonders what Digia is15:53
RST38hlardman: A webkit based browser, originally for UIQ, it has just appeared at maemo downloads15:56
RST38hdoes not look like it is in the repo yet though (trying to find and install)15:56
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RST38h"A study has determined that, although smokers cause a considerable and obvious burden to the health care system, nonsmokers live too long and present a burden due to their longevity."15:57
X-FadeYeah is a closed source app. The company contacted me to upload to Extras.15:57
jeremiah_Stskeeps: Heh, just friended you on Fajsbook.15:57
RST38hX-Fade: Can't they do it themselves same as I do?15:57
X-FadeRST38h: Sure.. And they did.15:58
Stskeepsjeremiah_: added15:58
X-FadeRST38h: But they aren't used to the community way. They tried to do it the business way ;)15:58
* RST38h obsessively hitting Update on the app manager =)15:58
lardmanRST38h: ah cool15:59
X-FadeRST38h: Probably only in extras-devel15:59
jeremiah_Stskeeps: Now I am going to go through your friends list to see what kind of company you keep. =)15:59
X-FadeAs QT support isn't in Extras.15:59
RST38hX-Fade: May be good stuff though, especially if they have done it for Symbian devices15:59
Stskeepsjeremiah_: freaks and weirdoes :P15:59
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jeremiah_Sounds like my kind of people.15:59
Stskeepsthink i have andre on from here but that's about it15:59
RST38hX-Fade: Are they at least compliant with the current library versions in extras-devel? no need to install a separate copy of qt just for their stuff? =016:01
andre__yeah. i'm sorry i don't have more maemo friends over there :-P16:01
qwerty12X-Fade, their install file suggests that they're trying to upload to Extras16:01
X-FadeRST38h: They only uploaded their bin, not the libs.16:02
* Stskeeps usually prefers meeting people first (i actually have a 95% rate of that on my facebook list) and talking to them, but since i'm probably meeting andre and jeremiah_ in cph .. :)16:02
* RST38h beats on his rattle woefully and restores from the previous savepoint. Shit.16:02
RST38hSts: What if I am a dog or a hamster typing on the keyboard?16:02
* lcuk has no facebook16:02
RST38hX-Fade: I.e. no guarantees it will even install?16:03
StskeepsRST38h: i hold no prejudice. you could be an uploaded lobster for what i care :P16:03
lcuktho i probably do lol16:03
X-FadeRST38h: No guarantees for everything in non-free16:03
jeremiah_I am extremely prejudicial against uploaded lobsters.16:03
RST38hX-Fade: Ack.16:03
lcukX-Fade, so someone from outside the community contacted you and tried to directly get some binary malware installed without any testing phase or anything?16:03
RST38hjeremiah: Gastronomically, or in some other aspect?16:04
X-FadeRST38h: But I think it will work with our version. At least they hinted at that in their mail.16:04
jeremiah_Other aspect, yesterday I explained my gastronomical biases, weren't you taking notes?16:04
X-Fadelcuk: This is done via the official way. Just uploaded to non-free.16:04
RST38hX-Fade: umgh...16:04
RST38hjeremiah: Yeah...16:04
lcuko_O can anyone get untested app installed into extras?16:05
RST38hlcuk: like me16:05
X-Fadelcuk: Sure.16:05
RST38hlcuk: although I test my stuff before committing :)16:05
Stskeepslcuk: yeah.. it's that or deep paranoia16:05
* lcuk creates a new account and sends over hte binaries16:05
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lcukhow would an unknown party get approaval from you then x-fade16:09
lcukdo you get random requests often?16:09
X-Fadelcuk: Just use the extras invitation form?16:09
X-FadeAnybody can do that?16:10
lcukhave you ever turned any applications down?16:11
X-FadeI've requested more info from some, where there was no history known.16:11
X-FadeAnd then they just didn't respond etc.16:11
lcukfair enough :) good to see you are covering our backs \o/16:12
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X-FadeBut we are now at the same level as a wiki. Anybody can 'contribute'16:13
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RST38hX-Fade: scary16:23
X-FadeRST38h: Well, clicking on a random .install does the same.16:24
RST38htrue, but then it is not your repo16:25
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X-FadeSo, yes you can protect people a bit by carefully protecting Extras. But if they just click on a random .install it is all over.16:25
* RST38h does suggest checking people's background (with google) before giving them access16:25
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X-FadeOne thing to note is that uploading is not anonymous.16:25
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X-FadeRST38h: But that is why I still like this idea of letting people vote (karma) for uploaded applications before they get promoted.
X-FadeCommunity testers.16:31
lcukhow about: the person who uploads the app is different to the person who promotes it :)16:32
X-Fadelcuk: I was thinking about a few votes, yes.16:33
lcukwhen it came to promotion time for liqbase i wasnt sure if i could do it myself or if someone else had to16:33
RST38hX-Fade: Sounds like a good idea but the problem is that people seldom vote at all16:33
RST38hX-Fade: I would rather suggest negative voting16:34
X-FadeRST38h: Well, we can generate a list of packages that are being 'forgotten'16:34
lcuk"you can do it unless you break the rules"16:34
X-FadeAnd if that list is not to large, we can test those ourselves.16:34
RST38hX-Fade: Automatically open an iTT thread, wait for two weeks and if the thread is not seething with the fecal matter, promote16:34
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X-FadeThe point is that Jeremiah and I don't scale.16:34
lcuk2 weeks is such a long time16:34
X-FadeWe need more people helping with testing ;)16:35
lcuksure you do X-Fade !!!16:35
JaffaMore pizza16:35
lcukwe have racks and stuff16:35
RST38hX-Fade: iTT crowd will do testing16:35
lcukRST38h, loyal friends will help16:35
RST38hX-Fade: Just go over forums once every two weeks and promote everything not marked poisonous16:35
X-FadeRST38h: Yeah, so if 5 people all say OK or 5 people say NO, we act.16:35
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RST38hX-Fade: if more than 1-2 people say No, you investigate16:36
RST38hX-Fade: well, depending on what they say really16:36
X-FadeRST38h: Reason text field might help.16:36
lcuk2 weeks is a long time in prep, but maybe thats reasonable for first time uploaders16:36
RST38hX-Fade: to save yourself work, make each thread a vote16:36
lcukfirst time promotion of a project rather16:36
X-Fadelcuk: Debian takes much longer ;)16:36
X-FadeThe delay is part of the stabilisation though..16:36
qwerty12I thought the point was not to expose end-users to -devel? I bet that there'd be a few n00bs screaming that this package made them need a reflash when it was really them dist-upgrading with -devel repo enabled.16:36
RST38hlcuk: Once it is in Extras, the author can update it there without this stuff16:37
lcukyes rst :)16:37
X-Fadeqwerty12: This is of course only for promotion..16:37
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X-FadeRST38h: I would let it go through voting for each update too.16:37
* RST38h satisfies Win7 with gentle rattling16:37
qwerty12X-Fade, yeah, I'm referring more to the itT aspect :)16:37
RST38hX-Fade: For some apps maybe16:37
lcukX-Fade, if you could get those votes sooner "omg, let us have the uber package NAOW!" you could let it through early ;)16:37
RST38hX-Fade: especially if developer changes16:38
RST38hX-Fade: I would not do it for everything16:38
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X-FadeRST38h: Every update can contain a major bug.16:38
RST38hX-Fade: And would not force extras-devel-only uploads either, rather keep this whole thing as "best practice"16:38
RST38hX-Fade: It can, but you do not want to burden yourself or developers unnecessarily16:38
RST38hX-Fade: So once everybody agrees that things have calmed down, promote and forget16:39
X-FadeRST38h: How about time delayed always, sped up when voted up or down. ;)16:39
lcukRST38h, this isnt bugs, this is maliciousware/trojan/griefer software16:39
lcukx-fade ^16:39
X-FadeAnd we can use user karma to value the votes if really needed.16:40
lcuksomeone uploads new "iphone emulator" but it turns out to be pornware16:40
lcukwhich wouldnt be such a bad thing but its false advertising :P16:40
* RST38h suggests against going overly paranoid16:41
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RST38hCurrent scheme works just fine, so no immediate reason to change it radically16:41
RST38hJust add a few whistles16:41
RST38hpromotion from extras-devel is definitely needed16:42
lcukwas just a bit *eek* when i heard about unknown parties uploading binaryt only directly to extras without any real oversite16:42
RST38hBUT ALSO attention from developers marinating their projects in -devel forever (Abiword, anyone?)16:42
lcukthats because its not ready for the push16:43
lcukor is it?16:43
RST38hlcuk; Will it EVER be ready?16:43
RST38hStill not, afaik16:43
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lcukso it stays in -devel until someone has another push  at working on it16:43
qwerty12Hence it still being in -devel.16:43
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RST38hsee comment above about developers' attention16:44
lcukwhat coulkd happen though with that, is old packages in devel could be expired..16:44
lcukif you havent moved it on or removed it yourself after 2 months go back to the drawing board and try again later16:44
lcukthat prevents users seeing things which arent obviously ready16:45
RST38hgood idea btw16:45
RST38h"About a maid I sing a song who didn't have her family along / Not only did she do them wrong / She did every one of them in."16:46
RST38hWhy the hell did this guy stop performing...16:46
JaffaWe'd want to keep the source in -devel, though - one of the aims of *having* the source is to stop old projects disappearing16:47
JaffaThat starting point of Abiword could still be useful, even if it's not got a binary package16:47
lcukyes jaffa that point isnt lost on me16:47
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RST38hso just expire binaries16:48
JaffaAnd a broken binary might attract a developer's attention more than an unbuilt tarball16:48
JaffaAlthough, on the flip side it may attract users16:48
lcukjaffa, its not the developers, its the users who add -devel for some other reason, then think abiword is there and have a bad experience16:48
lcuk(canola was the big reason ppl had -devel last year wasnt it)16:49
RST38hthat is because many developers post instructions that say "add extras-devel repo and install"16:49
lcukor have a big green button ;)16:49
RST38hmaybe we need multiple devel repos? :)16:49
RST38hextras-devel-usable, extras-devel-shite, extras-devel-shite-forte...16:50
X-FadeThe extras-devel repo should automatically drop from the application manager after install..16:50
RST38hdoes it?16:50
X-FadeSo newbies won't get bitten.16:50
X-FadeRST38h: It doesn't now, but it is being discussed.16:51
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timelessandre__: yeah 4049, you got the right internal bug16:52
timelessthe actual bug is that the spec specifies something that doesn't make sense16:53
timelesstext editors should open whatever file the user picks, unless they don't have enough memory to do so16:53
* RST38h found a wonderful bug in Canola16:53
timelesswell.. they're allowed to refuse to open files that they can't read/reach16:53
timelessbut otherwise16:53
RST38hSimple, but absolutely evil and harmful like hell16:54
RST38hWill screw up your memory card in no time16:54
RST38hOR your ~16:54
ShadowJKWhat, you've got no way to file bugs against the spec? :-)16:54
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RST38hOk, go to playlists, click on any playlist and hold.16:55
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RST38hSee what happens ;)16:55
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qwerty12I'm guessing it will screw up your memory card in no time?16:56
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RST38hwell, you will still have chance to stop it16:56
RST38hjust click cancel when it starts doing its shit16:56
qwerty12I don't use canola anyway, lovely effects but all I want to be able to do is listen to my tracks without any high CPU overhead16:57
RST38hthe playlist you are clicking on will be ruined and require manual fixing though16:57
* ShadowJK uses mplayer on his desktop for playing mp3s..16:57
RST38hqwerty: Same here, but I still hate builtin player16:58
etrunkoRST38h: could you please report it16:58
RST38hetrunko: bugs.maemo/org?16:58
etrunkoRST38h: yup16:58
lcukjaffa, VDVsx has mentioned something about the copenhagen meeting about food whilst we are there - am i right that this is a council matter (like the tshirts should be as well )16:58
qwerty12RST38h, oh yeah, but on the tablet: I'm a mpd fan through and through :)16:58
RST38hetrunko: ack16:58
Jaffalcuk: raise it on -community?17:00
timelesswhat are you doing on community? :(17:00
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Jaffatimeless: money for food & tshirts at the Copenhagen meeting17:01
* Jaffa is up to his eyes in SVG workflow visualisation atm17:01
timelessok, i don't have any money :)17:02
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etrunkoRST38h: thank you17:04
RST38hetrunko: sorry for not providing Maemo version, but it is the latest one and I do not think it matters anywya17:04
etrunkoRST38h: no problem :)17:05
timelessanyway, i'm gone for the weekend, i'll be vaguely around for the middle of next week. happy holidays/holydays to all17:06
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guysoft42j #kde17:12
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Macerawesome. complete 1080p firefly collection :)17:18
Macermakes me want to watch it over17:18
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* mgedmin plugged an asus eeepc 900 into a 1080p TV last night17:19
mgedmin2 frames per second aren't exactly nice to have17:19
RST38hGet yourself a real computer.17:20
JaffaMacer: oooh, shiny17:20
* mgedmin is kinda looking for one17:20
qwerty12hannesw, if you wanna upload pywebkitgtk, webkit is in extras-devel for diablo now. But you'll have to set the arch to armel.17:20
hanneswqwerty12: hey, that's great news!17:21
hanneswi'm a bit out of maemo dev because of day job17:21
qwerty12Ah :)17:21
hanneswbut i hope to pick it up over the easter holidays.17:21
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qwerty12Gonna upload midori to test it out, I've already got fullscreen, zoom in and out properly binded without needing to enable-accels17:23
X-Fadeqwerty12: webkit-eal, please ;)17:24
qwerty12X-Fade, that's hannesw's area ;)17:25
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gnuton2Hi there17:25
X-FadeCurrent version is a long way, it just needs a few fixes.17:25
hanneswoh yes, gotta put out a new release.17:25
X-FadeHi Antonio.17:25
gnuton2Hei Niels :D17:25
hanneswi'm almost done, just want to support a few more settings via gconf.17:26
X-Fadegnuton2: How are things in QT4.5 land? Looking good?17:27
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X-FadePretty sweet to see that animation demo running on N810.17:27
qwerty12hannesw, I wondered why you let dh_strip strip webkit-dbg. Now I can see why. :)17:27
X-Fadeqwerty12: That one was pretty HUGE!17:27
qwerty12Yeah :D17:28
qwerty12If I upload (or anyone else) newer version, I'll stop that package from being built17:28
hanneswyeah, i tried to use the debug symbols to debug the crashes i had17:28
gnuton2X-Fade: There are still some things to fix in fremantle.. but it's usable.17:28
hanneswbut when gdb started loading, it took 2 minutes and then everything crashed.17:29
hanneswso it's rather pointless.17:29
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Stskeepskozak: saw new 0.11 ui? :)17:44
kozakno!!!!! its been a long time... feeling like I rediscovered internet here :)17:45
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kozakgood to see network manager!!!!!!!!!!17:46
Stskeepsthat was in already from start :)17:46
qwerty12Good? I remember me saying it sucked many animals balls yesterday...17:47
kozakoh ok17:47
Stskeepsyeah, room for improvement :>17:47
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kozakStskeeps: is there aUSB host support on maemo?17:50
Stskeepskozak: yeah - we don't have functionality for it beyond terminal echo17:51
Stskeepsi think the beagle kernel right now is stuck to gadget17:51
kozakhmmm would be great to haev that especially on an internet tablet...17:51
dnearyX-Fade: How high a priority is the site redesign for you these days?17:51
Stskeepskozak: internet tablets have usb host, but not a lot of power budget17:51
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X-Fadedneary: Neithan and I reserved tomorrow for it.17:52
dnearyX-Fade: How many days do you think it'll take to clear the most urgent items?17:52
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dnearyX-Fade: Is the end of next week a realistic deployment date?17:52
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X-Fadedneary: As said in the meeting, we try to be ready for a go/no go for the next meeting.17:53
dnearyThanks :)17:53
kozakyeah I agree.... but one use case is to share photos from my digital camera without actually copying it to a PC17:53
dnearyHave a nice day everyone!17:53
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aquatixStskeeps: hm, nice shots17:54
aquatixsome talented should come up with some nice network-manager icons17:55
Stskeepsyeah - wazd and oxygen icons sound like a nice bet17:55
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kozakstskeeps: -- things like these for example have 15 hours battery life!17:56
kozakat least they claim17:56
Stskeepsthe Touch Book?17:57
aquatixStskeeps: as long as the icons aren't too shiny17:57
kozakstskeeps: for these things it makes sense to have a host mode!17:57
Stskeepsyeah - it would probably have better batttery life with Maemo17:57
aquatixmaybe even have monochrome ones17:57
aquatixcan the n810 drive a 2.5" hdd over host usb btw?17:58
kozakstskeeps: exactly! unlike atom based stuff  ;)17:58
* aquatix guesses `no'17:58
Stskeepsaquatix: doubt it, with a powered usb hub maybe17:58
qwerty12aquatix, I've seen a HD connected to an N810 before by bunanson on itT. Need a powered USB hub though17:58
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aquatixqwerty12, Stskeeps: yeah, guessed so17:59
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MacerStskeeps: it is tracking now18:00
StskeepsMacer: woo18:00
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Macersure is some pretty weak tracking tho haha18:00
Macerthen again. im sure ohare is a big usps hub for international usps flights18:01
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aquatix16:18:27         Macer | awesome. complete 1080p firefly collection :)18:01
* aquatix has the dvd's, but hey18:02
Maceryeah.. it's 70G18:02
Stskeepsi'm sure they enter a black hole, exit on the other side of the universe, gets mashed by giants on Planet X, and gets sent back18:02
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aquatixStskeeps: and then encounter some Reavers?18:02
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Macerit is going to take 8 hours to download this18:03
Macerwith my cable modem maxed out18:03
aquatixand then you're going to convert it to watch on your n810?18:03
Macerno. i have shitty mp4s for that ;)18:04
Macerthis is for the plasma with surround sound18:04
* aquatix thinks 1080p has shitty resolution18:04
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aquatixdoesn't even fill my tft18:04
Macerit is still much better than standard tv18:04
aquatixbut i think my pc won't cut the load of full res video18:05
aquatixi rather like it :)18:05
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* aquatix has an oldfashioned crt tv yet18:05
Macermy gf has a sony.. uhm.. bravia?18:05
aquatixstandard definition :)18:05
* aquatix has something similar18:05
Macerthat thing has an amazing picture. puts my panasonic to shame18:06
aquatixi saw an 108" plasma the other day18:06
aquatixquite amazing18:06
Macerjvc != sony18:06
aquatix1080p is shitty though :)18:06
aquatixMacer: i know18:06
Maceron a 108" 1080p would look like standard def =)18:07
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Macerthat bad huh?18:07
aquatixthe stupid thing was that you could notice mpeg artifacts, of the official Panasonic video running on it18:07
aquatixkinda defeats the whole purpose18:08
Macersure does18:08
* aquatix strolled around in Harrods a while ago18:08
* RST38h feeds Win7 installer another sacrificial lamb18:08
Macerthis download is going 2500K/s18:08
Macerand is going to take 8 more hours18:09
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aquatixwhat kind of link are you on?18:09
Macerbusiness class cable modem18:09
* aquatix only does 1230K/s at home18:09
Macersometimes it busts a nut and goes 280018:10
Macerah well. i need food. ttyl18:10
Stskeepsah, right, ordering pizza18:11
Stskeepsknew i had something to do18:11
* aquatix thinks he should go home18:11
jeremiah_Stskeeps: Get some pepperoni for me.18:12
* aquatix seconds that motion18:13
Macerdenmark pizza :)18:13
Maceri could only wonder what that must taste like18:13
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Macerwhen i was in california.. i went pizza place to pizza place trying to find one that didn't suck18:14
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Maceri found one in oceanside :)18:14
qwerty12Stskeeps, does your pizza come in a box like:
jeremiah_Macer: Wha? American pizza rocks.18:14
Maceri live in chicago18:14
Macernot all american pizza is good18:14
jeremiah_Chicago deep dish is famous.18:15
Maceri'm from chicago :) where pizza is good haha18:15
Macernyc has some good pizza too18:15
Macerbut every time i went to another place.. it has always sucked18:15
Stskeepsqwerty12: almost, but without the turd18:15
jeremiah_I prefer New York, Famous Ray/s18:15
Macerespecially california18:15
qwerty12Stskeeps, lol18:15
Macerjeremiah_: the best pizza comes from the 20 yr family owned dive18:15
jeremiah_In New Haven CT.!18:16
t5vaha01self made pizza is best18:16
Maceri can't stand shit like ... papa johns18:16
Macerand pizza hut18:16
Macerthat is not real pizza :)18:16
jeremiah_That is just dough and lots of cheese18:16
jeremiah_I mean lots of cheese,18:16
Macerbad dough at that18:16
jeremiah_no really, lots of cheese18:16
Macerthen to cover up the taste of their mass produced sauce.. they shoved cheese into the crust :)18:17
X-Fadejeremiah_: Artificial cheese at that.18:17
Maceris there a such thing as artificial cheese?18:17
jeremiah_Cheese that tastes like plastic.18:17
jeremiah_Really bland and chewy.18:17
Maceri was making some kraft mac and cheese18:17
Macerand the powdered stuff said "REAL" cheese18:17
jeremiah_It is, it is just de-hydrated.18:17
Macerconcentrated cheese powder is considered real cheese?18:18
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jeremiah_Not by the French maybe, but by the Americans.18:18
Macerso like.. what is artificial cheese?18:18
jeremiah_Red 234, Igar, skim milk, road kill, old hotdogs.18:18
Macerif that crap can pass as real cheese.. i'm sure you would have to make quite a case to find something that is trying to pass itself off as cheese18:19
Stskeepsheh, pizza hut went bankrupt in .dk18:19
MacerStskeeps: good18:19
Maceri'm still pissed we bailed out aig.. but hey.. that's just me18:19
qwerty12Stskeeps, pizza hut are renaming themselves to pasta hut here. wtf?...18:19
jeremiah_Pasta hut?18:20
Macerqwerty12: they called themselves something else in kuwait too18:20
jeremiah_Spaghetti Cabin?18:20
Maceri can't remember18:20
Macerbut i thought it was funny muslims were dishing out pizza with the swine on it18:20
jeremiah_Small wooden shack that serves food?18:20
Macerenabling the infedels18:20
jeremiah_My experience eating in "huts" is less than good.18:20
glasspizza the hut18:21
Maceranyways.. i still haven't gone to get food18:21
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* Stskeeps puts on a house episode.18:22
Jaffaqwerty12: They've gone back to Piza Hut - I think it was a joke and/or a one-time gimmick18:23
||cwheh, initial parse was "explode"... was like, how does one "put on" a house explode?18:23
qwerty12Jaffa, ah, thank god for that...18:24
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Stskeeps'lo aladds18:39
aladdshow's it going?18:39
Stskeepsaladds: your burnt out 770 has now eventually caused Mer for 770 that works well :)18:39
aladdsi replaced it with an N81018:39
aladdsbeen playing with GPS on it18:39
aladdsit's fun18:40
Stskeepsyou have a working GPS? ;)18:40
aladdsdidn't get a wayfinder trial though :(18:40
aladds(2nd hand)18:40
aladdsyeah it works18:40
aladdsit doesn't take *that* long to lock...18:40
aladdsmaybe 5 mins?18:40
aladdsusually less18:41
aladdsso what's the status of Mer anyway?18:41
aladdsis it usable yet?18:41
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Stskeepsgetting closer18:42
Stskeepswere you UK based or how was it?18:42
aladdsam I UK based18:42
Stskeepslocation wise18:42
aladdsit's pretty good18:43
aladdsit's a shame Maemo Mapper can't do route plans without the internet18:43
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aladdsbut the speech stuff works well18:44
aladdsmaps are clear18:44
aladdsit's pretty good fun18:44
Stskeepsreason i ask about UK is :)18:44
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Macerhow do i change which wm debian uses?18:47
aladdsdesktop debian?18:48
Maceri installed the lxde ver of debian and want to swap over to gnome.. it's installed but i don't see where you change it18:48
Maceryes.. i'm using the artigo as a desktop with debian18:48
aladdsI meant desktop as in on an x86 pc...18:48
aladdsdebian is quite general18:48
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aladdsyou mean deblet18:48
Maceri mean on a pc18:49
aladdsdo you have a login manager going?18:49
aladdslike kdm, gdm or xdm?18:49
aladdslog out18:49
aladdsgo to the bottom left corner18:49
Macerwow.. i honestly didn't even think abou tthat18:49
aladdsclick session18:49
Macerit's probably listed huh? :)18:49
aladdsyeah :P18:50
Macermy bad18:50
aladdsgood thing you're not running xdm, as I can't remember how to change it with that :P18:50
aladdshave to change a config file somewhere iirc18:50
aladdsbut gdm, kdm are easy18:51
aladdsso do i hear correctly that Fremantle will be a possible alternative OS for the N97?18:51
Stskeepsi think that was a april fools18:52
Stskeepsit'd be neat though18:52
Stskeepsrx-51 will probably be a lot cooler18:52
aladdsi guess the screen resolution gives that away18:52
Stskeepsaladds: you should definately try Mer at least, if you haven't yet :)18:52
aladdsN97 is only640x48018:52
aladdscan you boot it from SD?18:52
Stskeepsthere's a -very- friendly installer18:52
Macerwell.. awesome :)18:53
Maceraladds: i was looking for a config file to change it with to tell you the truth.. that's why i was so lost :)18:53
aladdsit happens :P18:54
Macerwant to see how well this artigo can run gnome18:54
Macerso far .. it's running :) time to put it to some use18:54
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aladdswill Fremantle run on the N810?18:55
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Stskeepsthat's what Mer is for.18:56
Stskeeps(amongst others)18:56
Macertoo many others!18:57
aladdsah shame18:57
aladdsbut that's cool18:57
aladdsimho, i prefer OS2006/7 to OS2008 anyway18:57
aladdsI don't like the OS2008 menu18:58
aladdsit assumes you always use your fingers18:58
aladdswhereas before you could fit more on the screen if you used the stylus18:58
aladdsit's got a high resolution display, why not use it?18:58
* aladds will stop complaining18:59
aladdsis the menu always going to be that huge? :P18:59
aladdslooks cool though18:59
aladdscompatible with OS2008 packages?18:59
aladdsrotation! :D19:00
Stskeepsrotation not yet, but yeah, it's rotatable19:00
aladdsrecon we could have auto rotation when you open the N810 keyboard?19:00
aladdsmultiple colums of categories in the application manager!19:01
aladdsi was thinking the other day how good an idea that would be :P19:01
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aladdsis the home key on the N810 the bottom one when it's closed?19:02
aladdstop one sorry19:02
aladds'cos it doesn't have a house on it anymore19:02
Stskeepshmm, possibly19:03
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* aladds wonders how to make his revision more interesting19:28
aladdsi found Xournal is fantastic for annotating notes during lectures19:28
Stskeepsyeah, it is19:28
Stskeepsgives you a mean strain though19:28
aladdsisn't too bad19:28
Stskeepsi have a n800 so it might be different19:29
aladdsah yeah19:29
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aladdsN800 has a kink in the back doesn't it?19:29
aladdsso it doesn't lie flat19:29
aladdsdoes the headset button actually do anything?19:31
aladdsor does it require SIP to be set up?19:31
qwerty12Only during an internet call. But me and inz have both written seperate programs that pause/plays the media player when pressing the button19:32
aladdsjust play/pause? recon double press/triple press could implement back/forward?19:33
aladds(that's how the iPod does it now :P)19:33
qwerty12I just did one for a single button press :P. But mine just does simple os.system so you can make it run whatever you want..19:34
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aladdsdoes it matter who you have an account with for SIP?19:37
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Macerwell.. gnome does go a tad bit slower than lxde19:43
Maceri wonder if this thing can run compiz19:43
Maceri just don't see it happening19:44
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Stskeepsmm, pizza.19:48
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sp3000"You are now connected to the ..." :D19:55
Stskeepshehe, mer or NM in general? :P19:56
sp3000dunno, probably the combination :)19:57
GeneralAntillesWe need icd2 for Mer.19:57
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GeneralAntillesNo DUN, no go.19:57
StskeepsGeneralAntilles: we just need BlueMan working, really19:58
qwerty12And a Network Manager replacement19:58
Stskeepsor that19:58
GeneralAntillesNM's stupid notifications piss me off, too.19:58
GeneralAntillesand the fact that it just plain sucks. ;)19:58
qwerty12GeneralAntilles, the shit doesn't even work for me. And for those who actually do have it working in Mer have a nice disconnection every 20 mins...19:59
Stskeepsthat's cos of scanning, though19:59
Stskeepsbut yeah, NM is weird19:59
GeneralAntillesOffering the option of icd2 would be nice.19:59
GeneralAntillesOr if we could get Nokia to open source it. ;)20:00
Stskeepsicd2 is scaringily enough a jewel20:00
GeneralAntillesIt's the one piece of software that actually justifies the differentiation argument20:01
GeneralAntillesEspecially once they add PAN20:01
GeneralAntillesI'm just really tired of using shitty, broken software.20:02
mgedminweeel.... haven't any of you ever had icd2 stop working and start eating 100% cpu?20:02
mgedminsoftware is buggy by default20:02
GeneralAntillesIt seems like everywhere I go, every piece of software I use is just horribly broken.20:02
qwerty12But I can depend on it a lot more than I can do NM :)20:02
mgedminactually, more often it doesn't eat cpu when it breaks, it just stops working -- connection icon blinking forever until you sudo /etc/init.d/icd2 restart20:02
mgedminit usually works better than NM, true :)20:02
GeneralAntillesicd2 doesn't break here20:02
GeneralAntillesWhat did you do to it?20:03
mgedmintied to use it in a place with poor wifi connectivity?20:03
Maceri seriously need to figure out why nautilus stalls out so hard when accessing smb shares20:03
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GeneralAntilleslol Atom20:06
GeneralAntilles100mW idle power consumption20:06
StskeepsGeneralAntilles: wtf20:07
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Macer100mW sounds high20:07
StskeepsGeneralAntilles: then again, that's 1V 100mA isn't it?20:07
Stskeeps.. my physics is bad20:07
GeneralAntillesStskeeps, whatever it is, it's way higher than any ARM. ;)20:07
mgedminwhat's the overall power usage of a n810?20:08
GeneralAntillesAt absolute full blast?20:08
GeneralAntillesLike, 2-2.5 watts20:08
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Macer"absolute full blast" ?20:09
Maceri can just picture someone using the browser while playing audio over the wifi20:09
Macerwith a bluetooth keyboard hooked up to it20:10
RST38hGeneral: #define idle20:10
GeneralAntilles100% CPU, DSP, WiFi, Bluettooth, GPS, Camera, backlight, etc.20:10
RST38hGeneral: 100mW = 20mA x 5V when doing HALT is mighty good20:10
RST38hGeneral: But if it is at standby, then it sucks20:10
GeneralAntillesRST38h, mighty good compared to what?20:11
GeneralAntillesA Core 2?20:11
GeneralAntillesWho cares.20:11
lcukmgedmin, are you planning some sort of solar/wind/cycle/fart powered adapter?20:12
RST38hGeneral: Compared to your typical battery capacity20:12
mgedmintrying to overcome my envy over thinkpad x301 owners (7W)20:12
mgedminmy T61 eats 20W20:12
* RST38h commiserates with mgedmin over T6120:12
RST38hThis thing sucks20:13
mgedminit's a tank20:13
lcukmgedmin, put it on powersave and whack em round the head20:13
RST38hbadly made creaky tank20:13
mgedminsurvives usb-dongle-bending falls to the floor quite handily, though20:13
lcukthe usb dongle sacrificed to save the rest of the machine20:13
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RST38hGeneral: 1500mAh = 75 hours in HALT state, not bad for a cell phone20:14
Stskeepsright, for anyone interested in the Mozilla/Maemo (and Mer) weekend and want to help out with Mer:
Macerhaha. house was funny20:14
GeneralAntillesRST38h, if you only count the CPU.20:14
Macerfucking woman was over her dying husband... and started choking just to choke20:14
RST38hGeneral: Of course, I am pretty sure that figure did not relate to the HALT state, and not even to the whole system20:14
RST38hGeneral: Yea, so I gather :)20:14
GeneralAntillesAn OMAP3 using 0mW at idle is even better.20:15
lcukmarius, are you coming to copenhagen?20:15
RST38hGeneral: I do not think so.20:15
mgedminlcuk: when?20:15
lcukin may i believe, see the link Stskeeps just posted20:15
* mgedmin automatically ignores links with the word 'forum' in the url20:15
Stskeeps29-31 may,
RST38hmgedmin: As far as survival goes, old ones (T4x) did survive quite a lot but we have got different experience with T61s here20:16
lcuksome forums are ok20:16
* mgedmin will think about it20:16
mgedminRST38h: I leave a wake of dead thinkpads behind me :)20:16
mgedminusually they die a couple of months after I hand them off to some coworker20:17
* lcuk has an x4120:17
lcukand you arent comin anywhere near it!20:17
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Stskeepstexrat is back20:18
GeneralAntillesQuitting never works20:18
Maceroh shit. they killed off kumar20:19
lcukhe actually dead? i thought that was a trollposting20:19
StskeepsMacer: thank you, spoiler20:19
Stskeepsnot everyone has seen it yet20:19
Stskeeps(i did see it)20:19
Maceroops lol.. sorry about that20:19
Macerwell.. :) you will still be shocked how20:20
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StskeepsMacer: you did see the even more WTF?20:20
Stskeepshe's going for public office20:20
Maceri guess you won't be shocked anymore20:21
Macerhe sucked anyways20:22
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lcukMacer, i believe the term is inhaled20:23
Macerhe's a vegan? poor bastard :)20:23
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Macerthat was a seriously depressing episode21:00
Macerwhat ever happened to funny episodes?21:01
Stskeepsif you wanted fun, there's scrubs21:01
GeneralAntilles30 Rock!21:02
MacerStskeeps: i haven't watched scrubs in a long time21:03
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GeneralAntillesScrubs went downhill fast21:03
Macerlast one i saw the girl dr was getting married or something21:03
Macerand even scrubs has it's serious moment21:03
Macerlike when they gave away all the organs with rabies21:04
Stskeepslife can't be all fun21:04
GeneralAntillesMost quality comedies mix in a little drama.21:04
Macerit's a comedy!21:04
Maceri hate sitcoms that have serious moments21:04
GeneralAntillesHow about some Whose Line Is It Anyway? reruns?21:05
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GeneralAntillesThis clearly calls for some Mario 6421:09
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mavhcscrubs has the most depressing stuff of any comedy21:15
Stskeepseh, house is worse in that regard :P21:16
GeneralAntillesHouse isn't a comedy21:18
* Stskeeps sees it as a comedy, heh21:19
GeneralAntillesSick man21:19
thuxwhat is house?21:20
StskeepsTV show21:20
suihkulokkiA very repetitive TV show :P21:20
GeneralAntillesMost tend to be21:20
thuxdr. house?21:20
StskeepsGeneralAntilles: re sick man .. once i took a friend to get forcibly admitted to psychological hospital.. sat there waiting with the girl and her parents, doctor came in, pointed at me, and said "so you're the one we need to admit?"21:21
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GeneralAntillesI can see why you'd think House is a comedy. <_<21:21
Stskeepsi was absolutely stunned, because in that situation everyone around you can just screw you over and say it is you :P21:22
GeneralAntillesI know a guy who was committed because he got in a property dispute with a neighbor who happened to by a psychologist.21:22
thuxheard things about sovjet menntal hospitals, but don't know are they true...21:25
Stskeeps.. after the situation mentioned before the doctor then proceeded to ask my name and he understood that i was the boyfriend (S.O in danish is kinda similar to my name)..21:25
Stskeepswhich also had to be cleared up21:25
Stskeepsso absurd evening..21:25
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RST38hSts: you committed your gf to a mental institution?21:32
lcukRST38h, happens more often than you imagine, and for the most part its for the safety of the other person21:36
RST38halso serves to resolve property disputes, especially if you happen to be a psychologist =)21:37
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GeneralAntillesShe eventually had her license revoked and spent some time in prison21:38
GeneralAntillesbut scary thought.21:38
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GeneralAntillesSick people
Meiz_Merhola lopz21:43
lopzheya Meiz_Mer !21:43
RST38hGeneral: Well, at least US still has courts21:44
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Meiz_Meranybody with a knownledge of upstart awake? :P21:51
Meiz_Meri just installed it, is it enabled by default?21:51
StskeepsRST38h: not my gf21:52
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GeneralAntillesIs anybody else suddenly disappointed by the lack of hearts in the newstyle rating system?22:00
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lcukGeneralAntilles, link22:09
lcukand anything that stops me from clicking that damned thumbsdown will be magic tyvm22:09
RST38hSts: good! =)22:11
GeneralAntilleslcuk, it's a thumbs up instead of a heart.22:12
GeneralAntillesNow we can't say heart/thumb22:12
lcukclearer defined though22:13
lcukthe icons are shat as they stand now22:13
lcukand a thumb can mean different things22:13
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RST38hfolks, the new styled thumbs are barely recognizable22:14
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RST38hare you *sure* this is what you want?22:14
lcukwhat i dont understand is the need for stars AND up/down22:14
lcukwhat does each mean22:14
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RST38hstars are for application ratings, aren't they?22:15
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lcukis there an application called "ryan abel" :P22:15
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RST38hlcuk: yea, this bot is here, try doing /test on him22:15
GeneralAntilleslcuk, it's just graphics22:16
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lcukGeneralAntilles i know22:16
sp3000how about ....a liver?22:17
RST38hOut of the whole list I do not like the thumbs (not clearly looking like thumbs) and the Install button (dunno why the author rounded it in penile fashion)22:17
RST38hthe rest looks ok22:17
Macerthe transformers movie is a little confusing22:17
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* sp3000 giggles at Do not Abuse Rollover22:19
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lcukcan we get these printed as real stickers in time for copenhagen22:20
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Macerthose wacky decepticons22:21
Macerwhat are the chances that the bad robots would be called "DECEPTicons" ?22:22
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sp3000Macer, 100%22:23
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Macerit is a pretty good movie22:34
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GeneralAntillesMan, it is just one thing after another this week.22:44
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Macergoddamn that dude has an awesome iraqi cell phone calling the pentagon23:01
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Macerlol... "how did you know about the glasses?" .... "ebay."23:23
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