IRC log of #maemo for Tuesday, 2009-04-07

Stskeepsjeremiah_: ah, i think he was maybe trying to figure out how on earth the organization is put together00:00
zakkmhow much paid people are there?00:00
zakkmme? no i just wanted to know if there was some major news announced00:00
jeremiah_Stskeeps: What gives you that impression - I think the word "boss" popped more than once.00:00
jeremiah_zakkm: Sorry to disappoint you, just politics. :)00:01
GeneralAntillesjeremiah_, well, the paid staff aren't on synchronized contracts themselves, so I don't see how that's possible.00:01
GeneralAntillesDo we have a log that I could look at?00:01
Stskeepsjeremiah_: (i don't have a particular opinion about this though) - i read it as exploring how council relates to the employees00:01
*** mardi__ has quit IRC00:01
jeremiah_GeneralAntilles: Trivially easy. You just start the paid staff on a six month contract at the same time as the council00:01
GeneralAntillesWhat's this about changing horses midstream?00:02
jeremiah_Do we have a log somewhere? I didn't save one.00:03
jeremiah_I know that there is a log of #maemo somewhere.00:03
jeremiah_Thanks Stskeeps00:03
*** hellwolf has joined #maemo00:04
zakkmqole is council?00:04
*** eichi has joined #maemo00:04
*** mardi__ has joined #maemo00:04
Stskeepsjeremiah_: i'm curious if the general rule is that employees of are directed by or how it goes - the thing about making a position up for renewal each 6 months is weird though, that's up to contract :P00:05
*** doc|home has quit IRC00:05
Stskeepserr.. directed by council00:05
zakkmjust oddly curious.. how much roughly would a council member make?00:05
Stskeeps0$? :P00:06
*** zakkm has left #maemo00:06
*** zakkm has joined #maemo00:06
*** doc|home has joined #maemo00:06
jeremiah_<I'm still unclear about the council's role in "policing" the paid team. To what extent are we the team's "bosses"?00:06
zakkmbut no pay at all / no benefits?00:06
jeremiah_^^ That particularly rubs my fur the wrong way.00:06
Stskeepsjeremiah_: it's a valid question as i don't think it's directly defined00:07
qwerty12_N800zakkm: the warm feeling that you're doing good for the community.00:07
*** wazd has joined #maemo00:07
jeremiah_In open source communities, police and bosses are frowned upon.00:07
zakkmare you guys council members?00:07
*** wazd has quit IRC00:07
*** wazd has joined #maemo00:08
Stskeepsjeremiah_: obviously - but in a hypothetical situation, that a employee doesn't do what he's paid to do, who decides that the guy should be fired?00:08
Stskeepszakkm: i'm not00:09
*** bilboed-tp has joined #maemo00:09
Stskeepsjeremiah_: it's always difficult to mix open source projects and money :)00:10
jeremiah_Stskeeps: I strongly agree with you.00:10
*** kulve_ has quit IRC00:10
*** rkirti has quit IRC00:10
jeremiah_And I praise Nokia for doing such a good job.00:10
*** kenneth has quit IRC00:11
*** vobiscum has quit IRC00:11
jeremiah_zakkm: I am not a council member, but GeneralAntilles is.00:11
zakkmdidnt realize the maemo project was so big00:11
Stskeepsin my own personal and unfounded view, i see employees as the executing part of the community, - they get paid to get the community things done, based on the role their contract states00:12
zakkmcuriousity, if i were to want a reasonable app "ported" , is there someones job to do it just by me requesting?00:13
Stskeepsand i guess council is a way to make sure that role is 1) possible 2) has a person in it that does that job 3) help develop the role based on community decisions00:13
Stskeepswhen there's wage involved you don't get around that someone pays the bills / gives you work to do :P00:14
zakkmseems like an awesome job00:14
Stskeepsi'd love a job. :P00:14
Stskeeps(if i was without work atm)00:14
zakkmyou guys are online so much, i wonder if you work ;p00:15
lcukzakkm, some people play warcraft in their spare time :)00:15
lcukothers play maemo :)00:15
zakkmim aware, i just find it unique that everytime im on here, everyone else seems to be00:16
lcukthe internet never sleeps00:16
jeremiah_Stskeeps: You do a hell of a job with mer.00:16
jeremiah_Stskeeps: You should definitely have a maemo job at some point.00:16
zakkmi 2nd that00:16
Stskeepshehe. but that's side tracking the current conversation :)00:17
wazdMaemo should hire 1/2 of the Community :P00:17
zakkmmaemo should switch to mer00:17
wazdCause I was really surprised with such bright minds within community00:17
zakkmthe maemo project should end, and all development should go towards mer00:18
wazdzakkm: nowai00:18
Stskeepsi don't agree on that point, zakkm00:18
zakkmarent you stuck by alot of things, avaliable to mer?00:18
jeremiah_wazd: I agree, there are some really smart people here00:18
zakkmwhat if that became open to mer00:18
wazdzakkm: the great part bout Mer that it's driven by people, not transgallactic ubercompany :)00:18
Stskeepsfact is, maemo has the focus of a throughout tested consumer OS, and to develop a company's agenda - but they play nice and open source 80% of it00:19
*** ccooke has quit IRC00:19
Stskeepswithout those 80%, mer wouldn't be viable00:19
*** ccooke has joined #maemo00:19
zakkmyeah what if 100% was opensource.. which would happen with that switch00:19
jeremiah_It is a delicate line to walk, commercial open source.00:19
zakkmwouldnt it accelerate progress?00:19
jeremiah_zakkm: There are some binary blobs they do not want their competition to look at.00:20
Stskeepsthen some chinese manufactorer would clone the tablets and drive nokia out of the market with cheap crap? :P00:20
* zakkm hits self00:20
*** straind` has joined #maemo00:20
wazddamn, fresh vista is uber cool00:20
Stskeepsi understand nokia's 80-20% agenda and why it is so :)00:20
zakkmno win7?00:20
jeremiah_fresh vista?00:20
wazdI almost forgot how cool it could be :)00:20
jeremiah_ewww, Microsoft.00:21
wazdjeremiah_: fresh install I mean00:21
zakkmwooo Mac OSX00:21
zakkmwoo mer * wants to get on stskeeps good side ;p *00:21
jeremiah_w00t, debian FTW00:21
*** kulve has joined #maemo00:21
*** padovan is now known as padovan[AWAY]00:22
wazdI can install any OS I want but i'm with Vista :)00:22
Macersorry Stskeeps can't make it today but i'm off tomorrow. i will go once the po opens00:22
zakkmwazd: dont like osx?00:22
StskeepsMacer: k00:22
wazdzakkm: no00:22
jeremiah_Stskeeps: We can talk about some of this stuff later. I would like to chew your ear off about it a bit.00:22
wazdzakkm: why should I like it?)00:23
jeremiah_Maybe in K'bhavn00:23
zakkmvisual/ usability aspect?00:23
jeremiah_Oh, lack of viruses perhaps?00:23
wazdzakkm: no usability or visual pro's against vista for me00:23
zakkmwho cares of that part00:23
Stskeepsjeremiah_: i'm sure we'll have a beer over something in cph :)00:23
*** qwerty12_N800 has quit IRC00:23
zakkmyou guys all know eachother in person?00:24
wazdzakkm: I'm very casual user, so I don't need much00:24
*** qwerty12_N800 has joined #maemo00:24
* lcuk had the misfortune to work with vista today00:24
jeremiah_Excellent. Talk to you later, it is almost midnight here in sverige.00:24
Jaffazakkm: some of us met at the Maemo Summit 2008 in Berlin00:24
Stskeepszakkm: i've never met a single person from here00:24
* lcuk washed his hands afterwards00:24
zakkmwazd : thats why mac is for you :D00:24
Stskeeps(.. i think)00:24
jeremiah_lcuk: <- a man after my own heart.00:24
zakkmwow, how do you guys afford it?00:24
zakkmgoing to berlin for a summit00:24
lcukjeremiah_, but i use XP every day - its my most comfortable mousing wm ;)00:24
zakkmmake enough?00:25
jeremiah_lcuk: ewwww, XP.00:25
Jaffazakkm: Nokia sponsored some people; some of us live in Europe00:25
jeremiah_zakkm: Are you a student?00:25
zakkmGrade 12 High School.00:25
* Jaffa didn't take sponsored travel since it was so cheap to just get on a train00:25
zakkm18 years old00:25
lcukand plane and hike and cycle and hitchhike00:25
jeremiah_zakkm: Well, you will one day have a job and be flying to conferences too.00:25
*** greentux has joined #maemo00:26
JaffaStskeeps: ta for the log, I'll use it to do some of the drudge work of priming the sprint tasks00:26
jeremiah_zakkm: You are off to a good start, if you hangout here. :)00:26
*** stv01 has joined #maemo00:26
*** kenneth has joined #maemo00:26
Stskeepszakkm: heh, i got a hong kong trip to go to a conference and present a paper, for work00:26
Stskeepsthat was neat00:26
* lcuk has only ever been to 2 conferences00:26
zakkmim so far going into real estate agent'ing i know that much. well thinking highly of it00:26
jeremiah_Software development is just one junket after the next.00:26
lcukboth of them nokia berlin :)00:26
zakkmi been to a microsoft technet "keynote" if that counts? :D00:26
Jaffajeremiah_: qole is still unsure of the role of the council and is primarily still exploring it, its relationship to the staff/the community and Nokia (and of course the overlap therein)00:27
zakkmVista Beta 2 :P00:27
zakkmbut i live in Toronto, Canada.. and it was here so it wasnt much00:27
* lcuk smiles00:27
jeremiah_Jaffa: There is lots to define there.00:27
zakkmis tech hard for you guys? like college/ getting a job and such00:27
Jaffajeremiah_: But Stskeeps makes a good point - in some future circumstance it may be up to the council (after feedback from the community) to go to Nokia and suggest that employee #42 is causing concern.00:28
Stskeepszakkm: after 6 years of comp.sci i'm not entirely sure i like computers as much as i did when i was 10.00:28
jeremiah_Jaffa: That is a two way street, Nokia might like to do the same.00:28
* Jaffa *hates* computers - it's just a shame there's nothing I'm better at to occupy my time.00:28
lcuktheres a delicate ifne line here - the council needs to actively work to support and communicate - not just with nokia - but the outside world - as practically a fulltime job.  the face of the maemo community.  however as a fulltime job no1 is willing to give it up for a 6 month tenure.00:28
jeremiah_Jaffa: And the council may present a problem as well.00:28
Jaffajeremiah_: Indeed on both counts00:29
jeremiah_So we all need, as a community, a clear set of roles and responsibilities so there is transparency and accountability00:29
* zakkm didnt like computers at 10.00:29
jeremiah_But, and this is where things got off the rails today,00:29
Jaffajeremiah_: Nokia can always ignore the council. And Nokia are perfectly capable of no longer funding a role if they aren't convinced of the benefits00:29
jeremiah_Jaffa: True.00:30
jeremiah_That might poison the community though.00:30
jeremiah_Maybe not.00:30
JaffaOh, indeed :)00:30
*** Firebird has joined #maemo00:30
JaffaWhich is why it's best left somewhat vague - but with some guidelines - so each individual circumstance can be dealt with (IMHO)00:30
zakkmjust curious, did they stop doing diablo updates? if fremantle is only for the new tablet, whyd they stop diablo updates? havent seen one since i bought my n80000:30
jeremiah_I think the call for who is boss of whom is better left until after we have defined the roles and duties, not before.00:31
*** kulve has quit IRC00:31
jeremiah_And perhaps all that should have happened is that words like "policing" and "boss" not have been used00:31
jeremiah_and I would not have taken offence00:31
zakkmmight happen at the next summit :D00:31
jeremiah_but I am a free software / community zealot and one of the things I like is not having a boss00:31
VDVsxStskeeps, exactly the same feeling here :)00:32
jeremiah_I like to think we work together here.00:32
*** StsN800 has quit IRC00:32
jeremiah_going to bed now00:33
Stskeepsnini jeremiah_00:33
*** kulve has joined #maemo00:34
zakkmnight meremiah_00:34
lcukgnite jeremiah_00:34
zakkmjeremiah_* sorry00:34
zakkmlong day at school, half asleep00:35
*** stv01 has left #maemo00:35
Stskeepsright, my tablet is at brink of disaster00:35
VDVsxgnite jeremiah_00:35
Stskeepsit is not not properly in sync even where it was in sync before00:35
* VDVsx just installed a ruindows VM in order to develop for the f%c$ing Symbian plataform :(00:35
zakkmVDVsx: on osx originally?00:36
VDVsxzakkm, nah, Linux00:36
*** hellwolf has quit IRC00:36
*** hellwolf-n810 has joined #maemo00:37
*** bilboed-tp has quit IRC00:37
*** bilboed-tp has joined #maemo00:37
*** straind has quit IRC00:37
*** hannesw has joined #maemo00:39
*** kulve has quit IRC00:41
Stskeepsmorning Myrtti00:44
*** ignacius has joined #maemo00:44
*** florian has joined #maemo00:47
*** fab has quit IRC00:47
wazdMyrtti's having morning now?) Oh-my, oh-my :)00:48
*** kulve has joined #maemo00:48
*** greentux has quit IRC00:50
wazdk, time to get some sleep, c ya, world :)00:50
Stskeepscya wazd00:50
*** straind` is now known as straind00:50
*** qwerty12_N800 has quit IRC00:52
*** qwerty12_N800 has joined #maemo00:52
Maceri need to make a logo for my zimbra server00:53
Macerhave to love gimp :)00:55
RST38h"It functions as a normal radio until input is added via the keypad. It seems that if a year is entered into the keypad, the radio will receive transmissions from the era (depending on if messages were being broadcast on the set frequency)"00:56
*** GAN8001 has joined #maemo00:56
*** luck^ has quit IRC00:58
*** brolin has quit IRC00:58
*** L0cutus has quit IRC00:59
*** roue has quit IRC01:01
*** lardman has joined #maemo01:03
lardmanevening all01:03
*** befr0d is now known as bef0rd01:04
*** wazd has quit IRC01:05
lardmanam I right in thinking that I've managed to miss the GSoC review stuff?01:05
lardmannot on purpose I hasten to add01:06
VDVsxlardman, you still have some time :)01:07
lcuksimon are you a mentor01:08
lardmanlol, how long?01:08
lardmanlcuk: yes, I foolishly volunteered01:08
lcuknot foolishly :) you have positive experience01:08
Stskeepswtf? date and time controlpanel refuses to let me set time to 00:something01:08
VDVsxlardman, until next weekend01:09
lardmanfoolish as I've got lots on though01:09
lcukam/pm only remember01:09
lcukno 24hr01:09
lardmanVDVsx: ok, I should get a chance to look before then01:09
lcukyou shouldnt be alone01:09
VDVsxwe will know the primary slot number around friday, so we have to assigned mentor to the proposal that we will host before monday01:11
*** birunko has quit IRC01:12
*** hellwolf has joined #maemo01:13
lardmannp, I thought the deadline was yesterday or thereabouts, I want to at least be able to take a look and give some criticism if needed beforehand01:13
*** matt_c has quit IRC01:13
hellwolfIs it able to play rmvb file on n810?01:13
VDVsxlardman, at least to the barcode proposals :P01:13
lardmanyeah ;)01:13
*** fireun has joined #maemo01:15
* lardman laughs at lyrics of latest Lily Allen song01:15
*** kulve has quit IRC01:16
*** kulve has joined #maemo01:16
*** tds5016 has joined #maemo01:16
*** geaaru has quit IRC01:16
tds5016I've got an n810, but this still seems like it will work...01:16
tds5016can someone PLEASE help me get the damned sdp file right?01:17
*** krau has quit IRC01:18
lardmanmight be better to email that chap directly, not sure many people here will know how01:18
lcuk"Only the owner of a parcel of land in Second Life can determine if media can be streamed to the land and which URLs they are streamed from."01:19
lcuki gather you have checked that aspect of it out01:19
*** hellwolf has quit IRC01:22
zakkmSL ? :p01:22
zakkmyou guys play01:23
lcuknot at all01:23
lcukfull of furries and flying penises01:23
*** zimmerle has left #maemo01:23
*** TimRiker has quit IRC01:23
GAN8001lcuk is a flying penis01:24
lardmanplay, surely that verb would offend a true "second lifer"?! ;)01:24
tds5016lcuk: I'm not trying to send it to second life.01:24
lardmanhey GAN800101:24
zakkmi remember second life in the office01:24
tds5016I'm trying to stream from darwin streaming server.01:24
zakkmwhere each of them make a character that looks like them01:24
GAN8001Hi, lardman.01:24
lardmanI only really remember Doom301:24
tds5016I have no IDEA what in the hell to put for some of this stuff in the sdp file.01:24
lardmanmy office must be far more destructive :)01:25
*** Aisling has quit IRC01:25
lcuktds5016, so let me get this straight, you want to recv data from some server out there on the internet and display on your tablet?01:25
tds5016no, other way around.01:26
*** setanta has quit IRC01:26
lcukand you are looking at a site to upload a live stream from your tablet to some furry infested game01:26
tds5016I believe I'm correctly sending an rtp stream to the server.01:26
tds5016I want to be able to view what is being captured by the n81001:26
zakkmlcuk: lol01:26
*** myosound has quit IRC01:26
*** Ryback_ has quit IRC01:26
tds5016lcuk: no.... I don't want second life to be  apart of this at all...01:26
tds5016I want to be able to view the video on n number of client machines.01:27
tds5016and then archive the video once the stream is complete.01:27
zakkmvlc streaming might work?01:27
lcuktds5016, you say you are correctly sending out the stream01:27
tds5016lcuk: as far as I can tell.01:27
lcukdoesnt that mean you then have to sit at the other end and work out why its not recving furry photos01:28
zakkmvlc has native maemo support doesn it? like they came out with a official maemo port01:28
tds5016lcuk: I can't get the stream to be read on the other end, because I can't get the gstreamer pipline to read it correct.01:28
fireuntds5016: still havnt worked it out, eh?01:28
tds5016fireun: nope. getting semi-frustrated at this point. haha.01:28
tds5016lcuk: do you think you can help?01:29
tds5016PS this isn't going to second life...01:29
zakkmso where did secondlife come from?01:30
tds5016the tutorial is the only thing that deal with second life.01:30
tds5016the fact that it has an sdp file up is also something to do iwth it.01:30
tds5016the infrastructure is more or less the same as well, I do believe.01:30
tds5016I'm sending an rtp stream to the darwin streaming server.01:31
lcukincase you think im joking by the way
*** rsalveti has quit IRC01:31
lcuktds5016, ive seen the streaming done only with gtalk01:31
lcukive heard its possible but cannot actually help01:31
tds5016darwin streaming server should be able to use the sdp to read the stream.01:32
lardmanlcuk: lol01:32
tds5016this project is actually going to be used for emergency events... nothing to do with that... so we can not talk about furries...01:32
Macerwell.. let's see if this crap works :)01:32
zakkmwait wait wait01:33
zakkmemergency events, and your relying on a n800/810 camera?01:33
lardmanah, that youtube link doesn't work :(01:33
zakkmim sure if you played, it wouldnt be hard to see it for real ;p01:34
* lardman is afraid of going to YouTube site and searching for "Pink penis attack"01:34
tds5016zakkm: as of now it's a a proof of concept.01:34
*** mardi__ has quit IRC01:34
zakkmpointless though, cause i dont see what you gain if it does work01:34
zakkmmaybe its just me01:34
mavhcsecondlife is full of weird sex the same way irc is full of paedophiles, ie only on tv01:35
lcukthat looks promising01:35
zakkmah the good game of starcraft01:35
*** Aisling has joined #maemo01:35
zakkmive been in the same game for over 2 hours01:35
tds5016zakkm: as of now it's being used for research.01:35
tds5016it's a pretty complex project.... maemo was the easiest to develop for.01:35
zakkmwooh vlc :)01:35
zakkmbut the camera is crap01:36
zakkmno offense01:36
*** lfelipe is now known as lfelipe[AWAY]01:36
lcukcamera is a sensor.  you learn to adapt and you do the best you can :)01:36
zakkmi guess you can do mer x86 . .and use a normal webcam perhaps but still01:36
lcukjust like if you are born with one very snowy eye01:36
tds5016lcuk: thanks. What would the sdp file look like for that?01:36
*** chenca has quit IRC01:36
zakkmyeah but for emergency situations,  relying on the n800/810 camera.. would you do that lcuk?01:37
lcuki dunno i have never setup gstreamer like that before and dont have linux desktop to play on or anything01:37
lcukif its an emergency id prefer something than nothing01:37
*** mardi__ has joined #maemo01:37
zakkmi mean the tablet is good, video chat is nice , it serves its purpose.. but past tabelt stuff i dont see it as good01:37
tds5016this isn't in the field.... this is for original development, and for an understanding of how to design a device like it to be functional.01:37
tds5016it's being set up as part of a testing platform :-)01:37
*** mardi__ has quit IRC01:38
*** mardi__ has joined #maemo01:38
tds5016lcuk: if that works, I'm gonign to nut myself. thanks lcuk01:39
lcukgood luck with your project01:39
*** Pebby_ has quit IRC01:42
*** simon_ has quit IRC01:42
*** |thunder has joined #maemo01:46
lcukmental note: do not search google for flying penis attack whilst logged in again01:48
*** pvanhoof has quit IRC01:50
*** mardi__ has quit IRC01:51
*** GNUtonio has joined #maemo01:51
*** mardi__ has joined #maemo01:52
*** bilboed-tp has quit IRC01:53
*** mardi__ has quit IRC01:54
*** mardi__ has joined #maemo01:57
*** lfelipe[AWAY] is now known as lfelipe01:58
*** mardi__ has quit IRC01:59
*** mardi__ has joined #maemo02:00
*** mardi__ has quit IRC02:02
*** svu_ has quit IRC02:02
*** gnuton has quit IRC02:04
*** zap has quit IRC02:07
Maceri hope this zimbra hackery works02:07
Macerheh.. then i'll be just about done02:07
Macerso far i was able to change the log for the login.. i need to figure out how to change a few more things02:10
*** Sargun has quit IRC02:10
*** qwerty12_N800 has quit IRC02:11
lfelipelcuk: the kasparov video ?02:20
tds5016 that is not working... does anyone have any ideas as to why that wouldn't work on an n810?02:21
*** danilocesar has quit IRC02:21
tds5016what sucks is that I know if I don't use h263, and I use h264 this works like a charm.02:22
tds5016there doesn't appear to be anything for h264 on the gstreamer port to maemo02:22
*** `defnk has joined #maemo02:25
Robot101tds5016: there's only a decoder for h264, not an encoder02:25
tds5016Robot101:  on maemo; I know... that's why I'm using h263.02:26
Robot101tds5016: there's not enough CPU power to encode h26402:26
tds5016it's soooo frustrating that htat doesn't work.02:26
Robot101oh, right02:26
Robot101why not use the video call app? :)02:26
*** danilocesar has joined #maemo02:26
tds5016is there aynone else with an n810?02:26
tds5016Robot101: I'm doing a bit more with the stream other than just streaming.02:26
Robot101the N810 / N800 hw is very, very similar. its probably a software defect rather than anything to do with the hardware02:26
*** etrunko has quit IRC02:27
Robot101(like, we developed all of the N810 software on N800s)02:27
tds5016oh, gotchya.02:27
zakkmthe n800/810 are very weak02:27
tds5016are you able to get streaming working with that?02:27
*** `defnk has left #maemo02:27
Robot101well, using our software, yes. never tried to do it with gst-launch.02:28
Robot101anyway, gotta sleep02:28
Robot101good luck02:28
tds5016heh, it'll eventually be wrapped in python.02:28
Robot101you can drive telepathy from python too02:28
Robot101see in telepathy-python/examples02:29
*** _freelikegnu has quit IRC02:29
tds5016Robot101:  I need to be able to archive the files.02:29
tds5016as well as stream them.02:29
Robot101archive them on the N810?02:29
tds5016no. on the server.02:29
tds5016that they're being sent to.02:30
Robot101so just put something together using telepathy-farsight which tees the output to a file02:30
wjtRobot101: tpfs notably not in diablo02:30
tds5016no, I mean I need to archive the file on the server, not locally.02:31
Robot101wjt: yes, the server also not running diablo.02:31
wjtRobot101: a fair point, well made.02:31
Robot101you can receive/place a call with that using telepathy, and the client built in to the N81002:31
* wjt goes to see the captain.02:32
Robot101anyway, I am sleeping now too :)02:32
tds5016I'd really prefer to just be able to have this thing streamed with straight gstreamer :-(02:32
*** tds5016 has left #maemo02:32
*** VDVsx has quit IRC02:33
*** tchan has joined #maemo02:33
lardmannight all02:37
*** lardman has quit IRC02:37
*** bergie has quit IRC02:38
*** bilboed-tp has joined #maemo02:40
*** aloisiojr has quit IRC02:42
*** padovan[AWAY] is now known as padovan02:45
*** lpotter has quit IRC02:46
*** lpotter has joined #maemo02:46
*** padovan is now known as padovan[AWAY]02:53
*** Pebby_ has joined #maemo02:53
*** eichi has quit IRC02:55
*** florian has quit IRC02:59
*** ignacius has quit IRC03:00
*** danilocesar has quit IRC03:00
*** jprvita has joined #maemo03:01
*** GeneralAntilles is now known as GAN800203:06
*** GAN8001 is now known as GeneralAntilles03:06
*** GAN8002 is now known as GAN800103:06
*** padovan[AWAY] is now known as padovan03:07
*** GAN800 has quit IRC03:07
*** GAN8001 has quit IRC03:07
*** Firebird has quit IRC03:08
*** rsalveti has joined #maemo03:09
*** GAN800 has joined #maemo03:09
*** GeneralAntilles has quit IRC03:10
*** GAN800 is now known as GeneralAntilles03:11
*** GAN800 has joined #maemo03:11
*** Veggen has quit IRC03:12
*** Veggen has joined #maemo03:13
*** hannesw has quit IRC03:13
*** Pyrhos has quit IRC03:15
*** VDVsx has joined #maemo03:15
*** nona has quit IRC03:23
*** chmac has quit IRC03:34
*** VDVsx has quit IRC03:35
*** padovan is now known as padovan[AWAY]03:37
*** bilboed-tp has quit IRC03:38
*** booiiing has quit IRC03:39
*** onion_ has quit IRC03:44
*** bbns has quit IRC03:52
*** jeez__ is now known as jeez_away03:56
*** booiiing has joined #maemo04:01
*** RaymondL has joined #maemo04:02
*** jprvita has left #maemo04:06
*** brolin has joined #maemo04:18
*** flavioribeiro has quit IRC04:21
*** matt_c has joined #maemo04:22
*** qwerty12_N800 has joined #maemo04:22
*** skibur has quit IRC04:23
Macerwell... just slapped some logos together but i suppose they will do until i can come up with something better :)04:35
Macerat least i don't have a giant damn "ZIMBRA" login screen and have it plastered all over the place04:35
*** bilboed-tp has joined #maemo04:36
*** dougt has joined #maemo04:41
*** gentooer has joined #maemo04:43
*** alex-weej has joined #maemo04:45
*** simboss has quit IRC04:48
*** dougt has quit IRC04:49
*** ccooke has quit IRC04:49
*** ccooke has joined #maemo04:49
*** ccooke has quit IRC04:54
*** ccooke has joined #maemo04:54
*** etrunko_lap has joined #maemo04:55
*** b0unc3_ has joined #maemo04:58
*** k-s is now known as k-s[AWAY]04:59
*** b0unc3 has quit IRC05:12
*** gentooer has quit IRC05:14
*** etrunko_lap has quit IRC05:17
*** etrunko_lap has joined #maemo05:18
*** Mek has quit IRC05:18
*** keesj has quit IRC05:18
*** ccooke has quit IRC05:19
*** ccooke has joined #maemo05:19
*** Pebby_ has quit IRC05:20
*** lcuk has quit IRC05:20
*** ttmrichter_ has joined #maemo05:25
*** ttmrichter has quit IRC05:27
*** Vulcanis has quit IRC05:29
*** ttmrichter__ has joined #maemo05:31
*** Vulcanis has joined #maemo05:32
*** bilboed-tp has quit IRC05:37
*** dougt has joined #maemo05:37
*** dougt has left #maemo05:39
*** philipl has quit IRC05:43
*** philipl has joined #maemo05:45
*** ttmrichter_ has quit IRC05:46
*** romeus1 has joined #maemo05:52
romeus1I was using the terminal via ssh, I was wondering if there's anyway to recover that session without screen?05:53
fireunconnection drops = no more session05:54
*** smackpotato has joined #maemo05:54
*** Mek has joined #maemo05:58
*** TheFatal has joined #maemo05:59
*** keesj has joined #maemo05:59
*** romeus1 has quit IRC06:00
*** Sho_ has quit IRC06:03
*** pcfe` has joined #maemo06:06
*** Veggen has quit IRC06:09
*** Veggen has joined #maemo06:11
*** pcfe has quit IRC06:14
*** pcfe` is now known as pcfe06:17
*** johnx has joined #maemo06:18
*** padovan[AWAY] is now known as padovan06:19
*** Veggen has quit IRC06:21
GeneralAntillesHey, johnx.06:22
GeneralAntillesWelcome back to the land of the dead.06:22
johnxhey GeneralAntilles. Good to be here :)06:22
GeneralAntillesIs your life all streamlined now, or are you just taking a 5 minute break before diving back in?06:23
johnxmy life is on pause right now :)06:23
GeneralAntillesI need one of those.06:23
johnxheh...pause means no income :P06:23
johnxI need to find the unpause key, like fast06:24
*** Veggen has joined #maemo06:24
johnxafter that my life will briefly be hectic again then it should really settle back into a normaslish routine06:25
GeneralAntillesYou'll be back to schedule drift in no time flat. ;)06:25
johnxheh...hopefully I'll land in a 9-5 job this time or at least something with a fixed schedule06:26
johnxshould help to anchor things a little bit06:26
*** qwerty12_N800 has quit IRC06:26
*** qwerty12_N800 has joined #maemo06:27
johnxhey qwerty12_N800 :)06:27
Maceri love snatch :)06:29
Macerespecially when the thieves are on the elevator.. the conversation cracks me up06:29
*** alex-weej has quit IRC06:29
Macerthey are supposed to be orthodox jews and they are saying shit like "Just because it is written doesn't make it true."06:30
Macer"It's not important whether it's fact or fiction.. people just want to belive." haha06:30
*** TheFatal has quit IRC06:34
*** secureendpoints_ is now known as secureendpoints06:42
*** smackpotato has left #maemo06:55
*** monkeyiq has quit IRC07:02
*** DHR has joined #maemo07:07
*** guardian has quit IRC07:18
*** qgil has joined #maemo07:39
*** onion has joined #maemo07:44
*** ttmrichter__ has quit IRC07:47
*** ttmrichter has joined #maemo07:47
*** Sargun has joined #maemo07:49
*** padovan is now known as padovan[AWAY]07:55
*** onion has quit IRC08:04
*** bergie has joined #maemo08:07
*** brolin has quit IRC08:08
*** mbuf has joined #maemo08:18
*** Pyrhos has joined #maemo08:19
*** onion has joined #maemo08:24
*** LinuxCode has quit IRC08:29
RST38hmoo, johnx, all08:31
RST38hjohnx: How are things?08:31
johnxa little slow. catching some rest and getting back into a western mindset, job hunting08:32
*** StsN800 has joined #maemo08:33
StsN800lo johnx08:33
*** havan has joined #maemo08:36
*** geaaru has joined #maemo08:36
StsN800johnx, good to see you relocated safely:)08:37
*** juergbi has joined #maemo08:39
*** andrei1089 has quit IRC08:42
*** cars__ has joined #Maemo08:49
johnxheh...or some semblance of relocated08:50
*** tekojo has joined #maemo08:51
qwerty12_N800hey johnx! :)08:52
qwerty12_N800had any culture shock or is it still all the same? :)08:54
*** bergie has quit IRC08:55
*** `0660 has joined #maemo09:00
*** cars__ has quit IRC09:00
*** `0660__ has joined #maemo09:07
*** `0660_ has quit IRC09:10
*** Dar has joined #maemo09:11
*** guardian has joined #maemo09:13
*** x29a has joined #maemo09:15
johnxqwerty12_N800, just a little bit. I need to keep reminding myself to speak English. Also, the wide open spaces sometimes completely blow my mind09:16
* RST38h remembers how wide and deserted Moscow looked after Taipei09:17
johnxyeah, and stores...the aisles are like this wide *holds up hands* and there is no. one. there. really weird...09:18
x29awhere are you?09:18
johnxnow? Seattle area09:18
RST38hjohnx: actually, visiting US few weeks ago also felt weird09:19
RST38hFor a few days, anyway09:19
johnxreally? what kind of stuff was weird?09:19
RST38hjohnx: No pedestrians.09:19
johnxah, yeah09:20
*** qwerty12_N800 has quit IRC09:21
*** qwerty12 has joined #maEMO09:21
johnxI'm just stoked their actually going to put a more serious commuter train line in this area soonish. I'm actually kind of interested in getting a place by the train station...I'd be more excited except it looks like the train won't actually go anywhere I care about for another 3 years :/09:22
RST38hGet yourself some terminally cute Japanese nanocar09:22
RST38hNissan Micra is not available in the states but there is Toyota Echo and Honda Fit now :)09:22
johnxtrain + drinking = hilarity. car + drinking = jailarity09:22
johnxthe fit and echo aren't micro cars :P09:23
RST38hAh, just stop drinking :)09:23
*** StsN801 has joined #maemo09:23
*** `0660 has quit IRC09:23
RST38hjohnx: By US standards they are :)09:23
johnxI actually want a yellow license plate truck for hauling stuff09:23
RST38hNot much money to be made there...09:24
johnxI'm thinking about importing by way of Canada or something09:24
RST38hHeh...Probably not worth it either, as you will hit some tariff or another...09:25
* RST38h finally pulls himself out of this chair and goes to work09:25
johnxeh, won't be for plenty more years at this point09:25
RST38hAh :)09:25
johnxneed to get de-unemployed first09:26
thuxsoftware seems to be source of money09:26
RST38hjohnx: in case you miss commuting: 15 minutes walking through the park + 10 minutes subway + 40-60 minutes in a dingy bus09:26
*** croppa has quit IRC09:27
johnxRST38h, nope. I do not miss my commute. my goal is to bike to work for my next job09:27
RST38hjohnx: + 10 more minutes in a corporate bus09:27
*** croppa has joined #maemo09:27
RST38hjohnx: kinda hard to accomplish but I guess you have to find the job first then09:28
johnxexactly :)09:28
RST38hand look for something nearby09:28
RST38hAll right, time to go.09:28
*** Wikier has joined #maemo09:30
*** anders_gud has joined #maemo09:32
*** benh has joined #maemo09:33
*** StsN800 has quit IRC09:35
*** anders_gud has left #maemo09:37
*** crashanddie has quit IRC09:42
*** crashanddie_ has joined #maemo09:42
*** zakkm has quit IRC09:42
*** tekojo has quit IRC09:42
*** zommi has joined #maemo09:44
*** simon_ has joined #maemo09:50
*** guardian has quit IRC09:52
*** ijon_1 has joined #maemo09:52
*** L0cutus has joined #maemo09:54
* Stskeeps crashes in his office chair09:59
* Myrtti wants a new body :-(10:07
*** `0660__ is now known as `066010:07
*** ijon_ has quit IRC10:09
*** danielwilms has joined #maemo10:09
*** hellwolf has joined #maemo10:10
*** mgedmin has joined #maemo10:11
* Myrtti needs painkillers10:11
* mgedmin gives Myrtti some10:11
*** fireun has quit IRC10:13
RST38haok, back10:15
ShadowJKtrying to compare n810-gps and sirfstarIII by staring at number scrolling by makes me think there's more to this story than just "it's crap"10:15
*** crashanddie_ has quit IRC10:16
*** StsN801 has quit IRC10:16
ShadowJKfor example right now what is the strongest satellite that the n810 can hear is the weakest satellite that sirfstar is picking up10:17
RST38hShadow: the extra word you are looking for  is "utter"10:17
ShadowJK(i've seen the reverse too)10:17
StskeepsShadowJK: eh. it would normally be opposite, wouldn't it?10:17
Stskeepsif sirfstar > n81010:17
ShadowJKStskeeps, well no, I'd expect that the strongest satellite that sirfstar sees would be the strongest satellite that n810 sees, except that n810 would see it weaker than sirfstar10:18
ShadowJKif the signal strength numbers are comparable at all10:18
x29amy gpswatch has got a sirfIII and its awesome, especially boot times10:18
RST38hthey are not10:18
ShadowJKBut say if you compare list of satellites sorted by strength, then the list can be radically different between sirfstar and n81010:19
ShadowJKlike, the order of the satellites10:19
RST38hthe strength numbers you see are composites made from several on-chip values10:19
*** avs has joined #maemo10:19
RST38hhighly dependent on the manufacturer10:19
ShadowJKFor the past hour of my 10 hour test my N810 has had a better geometric mix of satellites it has been able to track than the sirfstar10:20
ShadowJKAnd not too uncommon to see it receiving more satellites than sirfstar either, but one thing that's consistent is that there's always atleast one satellite that sirfstar receives, by its own estimate, very strong signal from10:21
ShadowJKwhile the n810 is reporting more averagish reception10:21
RST38hti5300 jusr has trouble locking up, tracking is ok10:22
RST38hit is an agps chip after all10:23
thuxis n810 gps better than most nokia phones gps?10:23
ShadowJKuser experience suggests n810 is the worst in time to first fix10:23
thuxmany phones got lousy gps10:24
*** rsalveti has quit IRC10:24
ShadowJKIt doesn't help that the users gover the antennas with their hands too10:24
*** rsalveti has joined #maemo10:24
*** alterego has joined #maemo10:24
ShadowJKUh, for my next testrun I should posibly also record the longitude/latitude too :)10:25
*** Pinger has joined #maemo10:26
Pingerhi, guys. how to use sqlite3 in maemo fremantle?10:27
*** lardman|gone has quit IRC10:28
*** lardman has joined #maemo10:30
*** x29a_ has joined #maemo10:31
*** sergio has joined #maemo10:31
*** _matthias_ has quit IRC10:31
*** guardian has joined #maemo10:34
*** bergie has joined #maemo10:34
*** tekojo has joined #maemo10:34
*** L0cutus has quit IRC10:37
ShadowJK skymap of satellites and pixel colour according to signal strength over 10 hours. One is N810, one is sirfstar. Guess which is which. Receivers placed about 3 cm from eachother10:37
*** Bleadof has quit IRC10:37
*** Bleadof has joined #maemo10:37
*** lcuk has joined #maemo10:37
*** t_s_o has joined #maemo10:38
ShadowJKAlso deducable which direction my window does not face :)10:38
`0660maemo on left?10:39
ShadowJKN810 on left yeah10:39
`0660doesn't look too good10:39
ShadowJKIt has fewer satellite tracks than sirf, especially in the region shaded by the house... but nearly all of them are solid tracks and on the sirf side many tacks are quite dotted indicating it has lost sats all the time10:44
*** eichi has joined #maemo10:44
ShadowJKOddly enough sirf seems to have a blind spot for sats that have passed right overhead..10:44
*** fab has joined #maemo10:45
*** x29a has quit IRC10:46
JaffaMorning, all10:47
Stskeepsmorning, Jaffa10:48
`0660funny that sirf doesn't suffer that badly from shaded regions, but loses sats all the time10:48
*** frade has joined #maemo10:48
*** pvanhoof has joined #maemo10:48
*** booiiing has quit IRC10:49
*** hellwolf has quit IRC10:50
*** johnx has quit IRC10:50
ShadowJKthe grey birds might be too weak to be usable anyway10:52
* ShadowJK should've also recorded weakest signal strength ever seen from a sat actually used10:52
*** simboss has joined #maemo10:53
*** danielwilms has left #maemo10:54
*** hannesw has joined #maemo10:55
Stskeepshm, the things i find in boxes here10:57
Stskeepsjust found a sirfstar usb gps10:57
*** hannesw has joined #maemo10:58
*** dante90419 has joined #maemo11:01
*** dante90419 has left #maemo11:02
*** herz1 has joined #maemo11:02
*** ceyusa has joined #maemo11:03
*** stv0 has joined #maemo11:03
b0unc3_good morning11:04
*** stv0 has left #maemo11:05
*** greentux has joined #maemo11:07
*** svu_ has joined #maemo11:08
*** danielwilms has joined #maemo11:09
svu_ping alterego11:09
*** Pinger has quit IRC11:10
*** herzi has quit IRC11:13
*** AD-N770 has joined #maemo11:19
*** booiiing has joined #maemo11:21
*** qwerty12 has quit IRC11:24
*** florian_kc has joined #maemo11:26
*** thekondor has joined #maemo11:27
*** parazitus has joined #maemo11:28
*** tekojo has quit IRC11:28
*** tekojo has joined #maemo11:31
*** lbt has joined #maemo11:33
*** hellwolf-n810 has quit IRC11:37
*** florian_kc is now known as florian11:39
*** wazd has joined #maemo11:39
wazdhello world11:40
Stskeepshello wazd11:41
RST38hhello wazd11:42
*** Andy80 has joined #maemo11:43
*** leonel has joined #maemo11:45
*** L0cutus has joined #maemo11:48
*** leonel has left #maemo11:48
*** zap has joined #maemo11:51
wazdJeez, I don't understand some people11:52
wazdme: Can I take a look at your software in Extras? Him: Who told you that I have software in Extras? Me: Ok, you can just say "I have no software" him: I didn't tell that I don't have it11:53
RST38hHe probably has some software AND hates Extras11:53
RST38hAlthough this is reallt difficult to parse11:54
RST38hwazd: BTW have you excorsized that n8xx pidgin stuff from your tablet?11:55
wazdRST38h: oh, well, I've typed what you gave to me, it worked but some trash is still in there, I think I got it before(11:56
*** Meiz_n810 has joined #maemo11:56
wazdRST38h: Pidgin still doesn't work anyway11:56
wazdRST38h: even reinstalled from extras11:56
RST38hweird because plain extras version of pidgin works for me11:57
wazdRST38h: it worked for me too, I've crashed it with that 2.5.5.tar.gz11:57
*** wazd has quit IRC11:57
*** rmt has quit IRC12:00
*** wazd has joined #maemo12:01
*** hellwolf has joined #maemo12:02
wazdI  wonder why there's still no wide-widescreen displays on the market12:02
RST38hShould there be? They suck for work12:02
wazdlike that stuff
wazdRST38h: well, it's better than two separate displays I think12:03
RST38hwazd: true if the vertical resolution or physical size does not suffer12:03
RST38hbt they usually do suffer12:04
wazdRST38h: well, you'll have 2520x1200 for example12:05
wazdRST38h: same vertical resolution as 16:9 but wider12:05
*** ceyusa has quit IRC12:05
RST38hwhat about physical screen height though?12:06
*** rmt has joined #maemo12:06
RST38hIs it the same as my 4:3 screen? =)12:06
wazdRST38h: 16:10/16:9 screens are usualy wider but lower :)12:07
wazdRST38h: human eyesight catches sideview better than top/bottom12:08
wazdRST38h: and it's good for movie playback too :P12:08
RST38hwazd: that is my main complaint though12:09
wazdRST38h: you can turn it into portrait mode to rock :)12:09
* RST38h is using those screen for work not for watching movies and even 16:9 screens feel mighty claustrophobic12:09
RST38hturning it 90o is a good idea but does not work on a laptop :)12:10
*** geaaru has quit IRC12:10
wazdRST38h: ah)12:10
lcukRST38h, course it does, a super wide widescreen laptop (with touchscreen) would make the ideal tetris game12:11
*** tekojo has left #maemo12:12
RST38hlcuk: Lemme show you the ideal tetris game...12:12
lcukhigh rise building ?12:13
*** geaaru has joined #maemo12:13
RST38hFor reference, that is Green Building, MIT12:14
*** hotaru2k3 has joined #maemo12:14
*** ceyusa has joined #maemo12:23
lcuklol RST38h ive seen that before12:25
*** fr01 has left #maemo12:26
*** svu_ has quit IRC12:28
RST38hDeflector x4 comes with the source code. Any porters? =)12:30
RST38hAlien8 sources are real tiny too:
*** fr01 has joined #maemo12:33
RST38hSo are Deflector sources:
*** svu_ has joined #maemo12:35
*** ignacius has joined #maemo12:38
*** flo_lap has joined #maemo12:47
*** aladds has joined #maemo12:50
*** flo_lap has quit IRC12:50
*** _berto_ has joined #maemo12:51
*** woglinde has joined #maemo12:53
*** aladds has quit IRC12:53
*** hotaru2k3 has quit IRC12:56
*** Meiz_n810 has quit IRC12:57
wazdoh, looks like today is 15 years since .ru zone was deligated :)13:08
*** Andy80 has quit IRC13:11
woglindehi lardman13:15
*** jgoss has quit IRC13:16
*** ejdav_gon has joined #maemo13:16
lardmanhey woglinde13:16
*** zommi has joined #maemo13:21
*** mardi__ has joined #maemo13:27
*** jdav_gone has quit IRC13:30
*** ejdav_gon is now known as jdav_gone13:30
*** x29a_ has quit IRC13:31
*** x29a_ has joined #maemo13:31
*** wazd_ has joined #maemo13:31
*** dante90419 has joined #maemo13:32
*** dante90419 has left #maemo13:35
*** L0cutus has quit IRC13:37
*** lizardo has joined #maemo13:39
*** tekojo has joined #maemo13:41
*** wazd has quit IRC13:44
*** andrei1089 has joined #maemo13:48
*** anders_gud has joined #maemo13:53
anders_gudHi Stskeeps! mypaint runs on Mer, but gtk does not return pressure values, any ideas?13:55
Stskeepsanders_gud: do you use libxsp or?13:55
Stskeepsanders_gud: and i think it's because of the X server13:56
StskeepsMyrtti: prod13:56
*** dk has joined #maemo13:57
*** ijon_1 has quit IRC13:58
StskeepsMyrtti: curious, did you ever bootstrap localization for a project using launchpad?13:58
Myrttino, but it shouldn't be a big deal...?13:58
Stskeepsdoes it offer online editing for translators?13:59
Myrttiyeah, rosetta13:59
* Stskeeps takes a look14:00
*** jgoss has joined #maemo14:00
Stskeepsoh that's neat14:00
MyrttiI can't be bothered to translate using any other methods myself ;-)14:02
Stskeepsstarting to get to a point where localization would be a good thing to look into so14:02
woglindeonly 5 devs for the danish weekend yet?14:02
Stskeepsyou should show up ;)14:03
Stskeeps9 on facebook, 11 maybe14:03
woglindefacebook wahaha14:03
Stskeepshehe ;)14:03
*** rkirti has joined #maemo14:03
* Stskeeps is going for sure.14:03
woglindehehe yes14:03
woglindeI think you have the shortest way14:04
StskeepsMyrtti: just worried that it seems like it's one translation set per project, probably was a mistake to set up the project as one big14:05
qgilX-Fade: ping14:08
*** alterego has quit IRC14:09
qgilwogline, actually 7 registered -
qgilI wanted to ask X-Fade whether the form to request sponsorship is ready since this would help getting the minimum critical mass14:10
suihkulokkiregarding meetings, there is a "free thursday" informal free/oss people meeting in helsinki this week:
qgilwoglinde & co, actually I was hoping to have a bit more of feedback / comments about this event, the first of its kind and in a very interesting time14:11
qgil(maybe is not very interesting for everybody as it if for me, right)  ;)14:11
*** AD-N770 has quit IRC14:12
woglindeqgil hm I could ask robert if he has an intrest and maybee I had time to come too, to hack a little bit on the java stuff14:13
qgilwoglinde: ah, I see where you come from now woglinde  :)14:14
woglindefrom berlin isnt so far14:14
*** rkirti has quit IRC14:14
anders_gudThis script should list pressure enabled devices (it does in Diablo)
anders_gudbut not in Mer14:15
Stskeepsanders_gud: on a n800 or n810?14:15
Stskeepsapt-get install xserver-xomap and see if it helps (if you can stand your Mer installation possibly getting wrecked)14:16
StskeepsHildon Input Method will stop working14:16
suihkulokkiI think the tslib input driver in xorg doesn't do pressure (should be quite trivial to fix)14:16
Stskeepsmight be why as well, thought it was a xsp thing14:17
*** eichi has quit IRC14:19
woglindehm 178 euro per train14:21
*** eichi has joined #maemo14:22
*** andrei1089 has quit IRC14:25
Stskeeps103 eur airberlin14:26
lcukanders_gud, on diablo pressure information is available from the Xsp library14:26
Stskeepswoglinde: yeah, looks like it14:26
woglindehm let me see14:26
*** alterego has joined #maemo14:26
lbtI thought we didn't have 'pressure' on the N80014:26
lbtjust touch radius14:26
Stskeeps29 -> 31, coming early in the morning 29, 9:55, leaving 21:2514:27
woglindestskeep website?14:28
* lcuk registered for mozilla14:28
lcuklbt, YES you do14:28
anders_gudlcuk, gtk gets it from Xsp?14:28
*** k-s[AWAY] is now known as k-s14:28
lcuki didnt know gtk had it natively..14:28
*** chenca has joined #maemo14:29
lbtISTR looking at the low-level data and using the stylus rather than a finger. The pressure reading didn't go up much at all. Using a finger it went up and down a lot14:29
Stskeepswoglinde: their website isn't happy about firefox though, but works in IE (....)14:29
lbtbad memrory?14:29
lcuklbt, everything went smoothly?14:29
lbtyes thanks - lots of tea and TLC today though14:30
lcukgtk uses x11 events - x11 gets the information from somewhere (but its not perfect.>)14:30
lcukgood lbt, hopefully she will be back on her feet in no time :)14:31
qgil 8 participants... from 8 countries!14:31
woglindestskeep easyjet its 90.0014:31
qgilit can't be more international  :)14:31
*** k-s is now known as k-s[AWAY]14:31
anders_gudaah! so it's the xserver... then I'll have to wait until it's fixed...14:31
woglindearrive 29 depart 1.614:31
lcukqgil, better than 8 participants from 9 countries ;)14:31
lcukanders_gud, x server wont ever return dynamic pressure readings on the normal mouse events14:32
lcukthere is no pressure data available in that event i dont think14:32
lbtIIRC xorg uses tslib14:33
*** L0cutus has joined #maemo14:33
jeremiah_heh, that is pretty amazing, 8 people from 8 countries14:33
RST38hwould be more amazing with 7 people from 8 countries though14:33
lbtI dug in it for a while whilst failing to make a static tslib for bootmenu14:33
anders_gudpygtk on Mer does not find any touch/pressure devices..14:33
jeremiah_RST38h: heh14:34
lcuki just said that!14:34
*** qwerty12 has joined #maEMO14:34
Stskeepsanders_gud: yeah - might be our X driver, it's not the same as in Maemo so14:34
RST38hlcuk: you used different arguments though =)14:34
* suihkulokki loves airlines14:34
lcukwhere in the x11 mouse press/move events is pressure data available to be "fixed" ?14:35
lcuki think theres an x extension for it14:35
suihkulokkiI switch the hki-cph flight to a cheaper one, and the reservation form increases the price of all return flights :P14:35
lcuksuihkulokki, you are coming from .fi arent you14:36
woglindelcuck X got tslib modul recently14:37
lcukorganise a bus and do it as a roadtrip14:37
woglindelcuk *g*14:38
lcukwoglinde, yeah but thats not the specific default normal mouse events is it14:38
lcukie the things gtk picks up14:38
woglindehm sorry dont know14:39
svu_ping alterego again14:39
woglindebut looking into the source may enlight you14:39
lcukwoglinde, dont worry, i dont care im happy reading pressure data from xsp14:39
lcukit was anders_gud that was asking about reading pressure from gtk14:40
lcuktouch pressure lib14:40
woglindehm oh never heard of it yet14:40
anders_gudmypaint reads pressure from gtk...14:41
lcukfrom what i understand its a maemoism - it has to be removed beforei  build on  any other platform14:41
lcukanders_gud, which bit of the source does it..14:41
anders_gudpressure = event.get_axis(gdk.AXIS_PRESSURE)14:42
*** danilocesar has joined #maemo14:42
anders_gudi think...14:42
lcukwhat event?14:42
anders_gudbut i'm a noob :-)14:43
lcukoooh it does :D14:44
* lcuk learns something new everyday14:44
woglindelcuk me too14:44
lcukahh you have to add the extension events explicitely or the function returns none14:44
lcukexplains a lot14:44
lbtsigh :
*** andrade has joined #maemo14:45
lcuklol lbt, is there a Qmakemeabrew class or interface or widget14:45
lbtare you reading my ToDo list?14:46
lbt(recent request from Denise)14:46
lcukand to counter that i could give oyu the same class from .net :P14:46
lbtand it runs on the N8x0?14:46
*** andrade has quit IRC14:46
lcukmono does doesnt it..14:46
anders_gudThanks anyway lcuk, stskeeps! Bye!14:48
Stskeepslbt: qt4.5 still building on arm :>14:48
*** anders_gud has left #maemo14:48
lbtI was going to check if OBS had released ARM on schedule14:51
lbtis that in the new qemu BTW?14:52
*** alecrim has joined #maemo14:53
Stskeepslbt: yeah14:54
Stskeepsworks flawlessly14:54
lbtquicker than the other method you were using?14:54
*** qgil has left #maemo14:55
Stskeepslbt: probably yeah14:56
Stskeepsstill some things to accelerate but i think OBS would be a good candidate for that14:56
Stskeepsas that's a tad more complicated and requires static binaries14:56
lcukStskeeps, what spec is your build machine14:59
wazd_hey lbt, how's shopper going, need any more help?)15:00
lcukand i gather it will be possible to optimize by throwing iron at it15:00
Stskeepslcuk: craptacular15:00
Stskeepsand yes15:00
Stskeepslcuk: dual core2 2.4ghz15:01
*** ezadkiel_mB has quit IRC15:01
lbtwazd_: I'm sure I will.... but I have a fair bit to work on from what you've given me :) I'll let you know as soon as I get anything done. In the meantime I'm still interested that it crashes a lot for you... would be nice to see why...15:02
lcukstability is much more important, dont want a crash distracting you and sending you and your trolley into the delicately stacked prune mountain!15:03
wazd_lbt: well, since my tablet finaly reached reflash time, i'll test again on fresh install15:03
*** eichi has quit IRC15:07
*** AD-N770 has joined #maemo15:09
*** guardian has quit IRC15:12
*** guardian has joined #maemo15:15
*** rsalveti has quit IRC15:16
*** ceyusa has quit IRC15:17
* lcuk smiles15:18
*** Meiz_Mer has joined #maemo15:19
t3odorHi, did some of old N770 firmwares include dsp-tasks for video codecs - like old 2.0 mm architecture specification implies ?15:21
*** ijon_ has joined #maemo15:23
*** secureendpoints_ has joined #maemo15:24
*** secureendpoints has quit IRC15:24
*** secureendpoints_ is now known as secureendpoints15:24
*** benh has quit IRC15:24
*** aloisiojr has joined #maemo15:24
*** Sho_ has joined #maemo15:25
*** setanta has joined #maemo15:30
*** luck^ has joined #maemo15:31
*** dk has quit IRC15:33
*** mardi__ has quit IRC15:33
*** mardi__ has joined #maemo15:34
*** matt_c has quit IRC15:35
*** woglinde has quit IRC15:36
*** alterego has quit IRC15:37
*** `0660_ has joined #maemo15:38
*** jeez_away is now known as jeez__15:40
*** Cwiiis has joined #maemo15:42
*** lfelipe is now known as lfelipe[AWAY]15:47
*** Free_maN has quit IRC15:47
*** k-s[AWAY] is now known as k-s15:50
*** k-s is now known as k-s[AWAY]15:50
*** timsamoff has joined #maemo15:51
*** `0660 has quit IRC15:52
Stskeepsmorn tim15:52
qwerty12ello timsamoff15:53
timsamoffHoping for happy day. ;)15:53
*** Ryback_ has joined #maemo15:56
jeremiah_Stskeeps: Aha! You switched to 'morn'!15:57
Stskeepsit switches15:57
*** aloisiojr has quit IRC15:57
*** Wikier has quit IRC15:57
*** andrei1089 has joined #maemo15:58
*** Meizirkki has joined #maemo15:58
*** AD-N770 has quit IRC16:01
lcuknow i dont need an excuse to be drunk every night - i have to do this to allow the bacon sarnie to work!!16:01
timsamofflcuk, your banner continues to amaze. Wave it high.16:02
*** ceyusa has joined #maemo16:03
lcuktimsamoff, its a mere appreciation for bacon :)16:03
*** lfelipe[AWAY] is now known as lfelipe16:03
lcukyes, comes from pigs apparantly16:04
*** n2 has joined #maemo16:04
lcuksome strange folks use alternative facon products16:04
timsamoffwazd: Amazing. :p16:05
*** rsalveti has joined #maemo16:05
lcukwazd_, everytime i hear one of weebls songs they stick in my head (extremely good actually)   118 24716:05
*** padovan[AWAY] is now known as padovan16:06
jeremiah_n2: Success?16:08
*** Sho_ has quit IRC16:08
n2yeah ;-)16:08
jeremiah_timsamoff: The reporting _is_ to assess performance16:08
wazd_can anybody turn that pork stuff off please?)16:08
jeremiah_If not, that needs to be made clear.16:08
*** greentux has quit IRC16:08
*** mbuf has quit IRC16:09
*** vsr has joined #maemo16:09
vsris there a maemo git somewhere?16:09
jeremiah_lcuk: And it is by no means apparent that bacon comes from pigs, it looks like it could come from anything.16:09
jeremiah_vsr: On garage16:09
jeremiah_vsr: Or do you want to install git on your tablet?16:09
vsrno build system16:10
*** vobiscum has joined #maemo16:10
*** etrunko has joined #maemo16:10
X-Fadevsr: git.maemo.org16:11
timsamoffjeremiah_: Well, yes, but... I don't think that's where the tension is coming from.16:11
RST38hjeremiah: it might have human origin, after all!16:11
X-Fadeand git on your tablet is in extras-devel ;)16:11
jeremiah_RST38h: Exactly!16:11
vsrg i t . m a e m o . o r g : : c o m i n g    s o o n16:11
timsamoffjeremiah_: I will only eat turkey bacon.16:11
jeremiah_timsamoff: Things need to be explicit.16:11
X-Fadevsr: Just request a garage project with git..16:11
RST38htimsamoff: you hate birds?16:11
timsamoffRST38h: With a vengence.16:11
jeremiah_Bird hater!16:12
vsris maemo based on bitbake/oe?16:12
jeremiah_I love pigs, they are so smart and sweet, but I love bacon too.16:12
jeremiah_vsr: The OS is debian, the SDK is based on scratchbox16:12
timsamoffjeremiah_: Any opposition to dog bacon?16:12
jeremiah_timsamoff: Is there such a thing??!!?!16:13
timsamoffjeremiah_: Probably, but... They're smart and sweet too. People definitely eat dogs. I just don't know how they cook 'em. ;)16:13
jeremiah_timsamoff: A friend of my brother ate dog in Nepal.16:14
X-Fadetimsamoff: Well, I have some pictures of it from a market in Indonesia. Not very good for the stomach though.16:14
timsamoffI was good friends with a Cambodian guy at school... He was always joking about going out and getting a snack.16:14
qwerty12Horse meat... yum....16:14
X-Faderat-on-a-stick was a favourite there too.16:15
jeremiah_qwerty12: You're not serious.16:15
timsamoffX-Fade: my brother lives in Indonesia,. but I don't think he's eaten dog yet. There's too much checken there to have to resort.16:15
qwerty12jeremiah_, maybe.... But, no, I'm not :P16:15
timsamoffX-Fade: Chinese restaurants make a chicken-on-stick meal that we call "rat-on-stick." ;)16:15
jeremiah_I have heard that in Asia they eat something like 100 animals; scorpion, snake, etc.16:15
jeremiah_I eat three16:15
jeremiah_beef, chicken, pork.16:15
jeremiah_Thats it.16:15
timsamoffjeremiah_: No fish?16:16
jeremiah_No fish.16:16
jeremiah_Well, sometimes, but rarely.16:16
X-Fadetimsamoff: Well on Sulawesi they ate just about everything. Bats and big pythons too,\16:16
jeremiah_X-Fade: Are you serious? They ate bat?16:16
timsamoffI've eaten rattle snake, shark, many others... I really want to go to a gourmet insect place some day.16:16
jeremiah_timsamoff: Your culinary bravery makes me look, erm, like a chicken.16:17
Stskeepsmm, chicken16:17
timsamoffjeremiah_ Ha. Well, I was vegetarian for almost 10 years. Now, I only eat chicken/turkey/fish.16:18
*** aloisiojr has joined #maemo16:18
jeremiah_Even vegetables scare me.16:19
RST38hChicken also suffers!16:19
RST38hAnd fish too16:19
jeremiah_Epecially vegetables.16:19
*** ||cw has quit IRC16:19
RST38hjeremiah: Afraid to suck blood from baby tomatoes?16:19
timsamoffRST34h: I suffer too.16:19
* aquatix loves baby tomatoes, they taste like chicken16:19
RST38htimsamoff: But nobody eats you and steals you eggs for food!16:20
aquatixoh wait16:20
timsamoffRST38h: You assume too much.16:20
jeremiah_I only eat food that has fallen from the tree, I'm a fruitarian.16:20
n2i love fish16:20
RST38hAnyways, the moral, ethical thing to do is to switch to cannibalism16:20
jeremiah_Sounds good, we'll start with lunch on you RST38h16:20
timsamoffI had my arm for breakfast.16:20
* qwerty12 will go for RST38h's brains. ASM would be nice to learn16:20
aquatixqwerty12: be careful what you wish for16:21
* RST38h will let Drawin resolve that16:21
aquatixRST38h: good point16:21
RST38hMeanwhile: Konami Announces a Game Based On A 2004 Battle In Fallujah16:21
*** skibur has joined #maemo16:21
jeremiah_Can you say; "Bad taste"?16:22
*** ||cw has joined #maemo16:22
*** brolin has joined #maemo16:22
*** avs has quit IRC16:22
RST38hjeremiah: Based on reports by soldiers who participated in the battle and later asked Atomic Games to make a game16:23
jeremiah_RST38h: Oh - I judged too soon, I take back my comment.16:23
*** till- has quit IRC16:23
*** zommi has joined #maemo16:24
RST38hjeremiah: Two things I do not like about this are 1) can't play for the bad guys 2) bad guys always lose16:24
*** lele has quit IRC16:24
RST38hjeremiah; With these two design flaws fixed, that would make a beautiful game =)16:24
*** jjo has quit IRC16:24
*** jjo_ has joined #maemo16:24
*** lele has joined #maemo16:25
*** vsr has left #maemo16:25
doc|homeRST38h: history is written by the victor16:25
jeremiah_Who is Victor?16:25
doc|homeFrank's mate16:25
RST38hthe one who gets to tell the story of course16:25
doc|homefrom down the pub16:25
jeremiah_Oh yeah.16:25
jeremiah_He is always writing history.16:25
jeremiah_He gets it wrong often though. Mostly cause he has been drinking with Frank.16:26
*** till- has joined #maemo16:26
RST38h   <=== Why can't I play for Satan in this one?16:26
jeremiah_Because you _are_ Satan16:27
*** Wikier has joined #maemo16:27
keesjparty we have wifi at work!16:27
RST38hOk, then where the hell are my armies of locusts, tarpits, insect swarms, etc?16:27
jeremiah_RST38h: Perhaps you have a cold?16:28
RST38hCan I *at least* have a small thermonuclear weapon or two?16:28
jeremiah_RST38h: Surely Pakistan has some rattling around that you can use.16:28
*** mardi__ has quit IRC16:30
RST38hjeremiah: wrong religion + they have only got regular nukes16:32
*** mardi__ has joined #maemo16:32
jeremiah_heh, so you mean it is the Christians that have the _really_ destructive weapons?16:33
andre___every second time i look into this channel it's about politics. i love this community :-P16:33
RST38hwhat politics?16:34
mavhcchristians, muslims, atheists, everyone loves linux16:34
RST38hBallmer does not love linux ==> He is the Antichrist ==> KILL!16:34
mavhche's jewish though16:34
jeremiah_RST38h: That was the theme of the nineties.16:35
fie_wut no wai16:35
jeremiah_We have already won, we don't need to kill Ballmer.16:35
RST38hjeremiah: Even if it is fun?16:35
mavhcmicrosoft says 96% of netbooks run windows16:36
jeremiah_RST38h: Oh well, purely killing for enjoyment is a completely different kettle of fish.16:36
RST38h(besides, I do not quite see where you have "won")16:36
jeremiah_mavhc: Maybe true. But it is XP!16:36
RST38hLast time I checked, XP was not Linux.16:36
* mavhc says "96% of netbooks don't run vista"16:36
timsamoffAnyone see an issue here: (or any mailing list archive message)? For me, the message body text has no whitespace.16:37
RST38hhas got whitespace here16:37
jeremiah_I see regular formatting timsamoff16:37
*** fie_ has left #maemo16:37
timsamoffSo weird.16:37
*** StsN800 has joined #maemo16:39
*** Meiz_Mer has quit IRC16:39
*** sphenxes has joined #maemo16:40
*** Shadow__X has quit IRC16:41
*** qwerty13 has joined #maEMO16:43
*** k-s[AWAY] is now known as k-s16:43
*** qwerty12 has quit IRC16:43
*** qwerty13 is now known as qwerty1216:43
*** alecrim has quit IRC16:43
*** timsamoff has quit IRC16:44
*** lizardo has quit IRC16:45
*** timsamoff has joined #maemo16:48
*** blade_runner has joined #maemo16:51
RST38hjeremiah: the idea is so perfectly logical that it is a miracle nobody has used it so far16:55
*** dneary has joined #maemo16:55
jeremiah_It looks pretty well done too.16:56
lcukits not realistically been practical before now because of the component sizes16:57
*** alecrim has joined #maemo16:57
*** StsN800 has quit IRC16:57
RST38hlcuk: Not true16:58
RST38hlcuk: Transparent LCDs have been known for years (appeared before reflective LCDs in fact) and covering one with a touchscreen matrix is not such a difficult thing16:58
lcukthe LCD is, but the guts of the machine, the cpu and motherboard and battery and controller chips and stuff16:59
*** StsN800 has joined #maemo16:59
RST38hlcuk: Not different from any other gadget16:59
*** dlmarti has quit IRC17:00
*** AD-N770 has joined #maemo17:00
lcukcourse it is, forever and a day there has been all that space available "behind the screen" for the machine itself.  if it HAS to be fitted in the bezel theres serious problems17:00
jeremiah_RST38h: You have to conceed that chips, motherboard, etc. have gotten smaller, allowing a device like this to be engineered.17:01
*** fab has quit IRC17:01
*** dlmarti has joined #maemo17:01
*** Firebird has joined #maemo17:01
RST38hFolks, you are forgetting that reasonably complex circuitry has been used in such devices for years. Look at Fisher Price toys17:02
lcukthe innovation is not that you can touch the back, its the fact you can actually fit the machine into such a small space17:02
wazd_it's just flash simulation17:02
*** timoph has quit IRC17:02
wazd_finger is drawn17:02
wazd_back is simple touchpad17:02
RST38hIt does not have to be a full fledged computer: even a clock with a few sensory areas at the back of the screen would qualify for this category17:02
*** jjo_ has quit IRC17:03
mavhcI assume the point is to overlay a picture of the fingers that are detected behind it with some kind of camera17:03
mgedmineither swfdec is incapable of playing that flash movie, or my internet connectivity sucks17:03
wazd_mavhc: touchpad17:03
* RST38h thoroughfully curses Windows7 and asks the Tentacled One to take some Redmond people out for lunch.17:04
mavhcwhere's the accompanying text to go with the video?17:04
RST38hgiven that the fingers appear to touch the back surface, this can't be done with a camera17:04
wazd_it can be just white spot on the screen17:05
wazd_finger is just funny joke :)17:05
RST38hyea, they can draw the whole thing in principle17:06
wazd_back of this box is simple touchpad that senses where your finger presses17:06
wazd_and it shows it on the screen17:06
wazd_there's nothing transparent :)17:07
RST38hwell, they are drawing the whole finger, so they somehow need to detect its orientation17:07
RST38hby figngerprint maybe?17:07
wazd_RST38h: it doesn't change orientation if you'll look closely17:07
* RST38h checks17:07
RST38hno, it does change orientation a little bit17:08
mavhcwhere's the accompanying text to go with the video?17:09
wazd_RST38h: no it's not:
*** bergie_ has joined #maemo17:13
*** jjo has joined #maemo17:14
*** wnd^ has joined #maemo17:14
*** suihkulokki has quit IRC17:15
*** wnd has quit IRC17:15
*** wnd^ is now known as wnd17:15
*** ezadkiel_mB has joined #maemo17:16
*** ezadkiel_mB has quit IRC17:16
lcukwazd, you never seen anyone with a wonky finger before :P17:18
*** suihkulokki has joined #maemo17:18
timsamoffMr. Wonky Fingers would be so offended.17:18
*** MiskaX has quit IRC17:18
*** bergie has quit IRC17:19
*** Dar has quit IRC17:19
*** MiskaX has joined #maemo17:19
*** n2 has quit IRC17:22
qwerty12X-Fade, will there ever be a good time to upload webkit? I've checked and checked, make runs with -j4 and nothing else...17:22
*** Meizirkki has quit IRC17:23
*** jjo_ has joined #maemo17:23
RST38hwazd: in this particular frame he can be bending his finger17:24
X-Fadeqwerty12: Try it now, I'll monitor it.17:24
qwerty12X-Fade, thanks17:24
X-Fadeqwerty12: If I see it getting ugly, I'll kill it ;)17:24
wazd_RST38h: noway a human can bend finger that way :)17:25
X-Fadeqwerty12: There are no other tasks building, so I know who to blame when it dies ;)17:25
* qwerty12 looks around him. You'll never catch me!17:25
* X-Fade gets a bucket tar and a bundle of feathers.17:25
* timsamoff thinks RST38h would be offended that qwerty12 looks like a chicken.17:27
*** birunko has joined #maemo17:28
*** wms has joined #maemo17:28
*** timoph has joined #maemo17:28
rmt - my touch screen image viewer (now web accessible) .. and (very simple mostly insecure but fit-for-purpose password requesting app)17:32
*** fab has joined #maemo17:32
rmtUnfortunately I'm having trouble getting pview to compile with N810 standard Gtk/GLib libs.. thought Regex's were a problem and eliminated them, but still have problems.. compiling against newer libs should work fine.17:33
timsamoffHave a good day everyone.17:34
*** timsamoff has left #maemo17:34
X-Fadeqwerty12: Ok, it is starting now..17:35
* qwerty12 cues dramatic music17:35
*** jjo has quit IRC17:35
qwerty12rmt, Bundyo uses libpcre in his vala based Tear to have regex's17:35
X-Fadeqwerty12: /scratchbox/tools/bin/make -j4 -C build17:36
qwerty12It's also worth noting that it took a day to build w/out -j...17:36
X-Fadeqwerty12: Yeah, saw that :)17:36
Stskeepswebkit is huge.17:37
X-FadeStskeeps: Now imaging QT4.5 including webkit and more stuff ;)17:37
StskeepsX-Fade: i'm building that on my ARM chroot right now.17:37
Stskeeps(with the OBS qemu)17:37
Stskeeps1 1/2 day so far17:37
X-FadeTakes 18 hours on our builder.17:37
rmtqwerty12, Was simple enough to re-implement the code here.. probably fractionally faster too.17:37
*** nelson has quit IRC17:38
*** nelson has joined #maemo17:38
qwerty12rmt, ah, missed the part where you said that you eliminated the problem :)17:38
lcukx-fade, qwerty might be "good" at bringing your server down, but i just brought our entire netowkr down here at work - with 1 file copy \@/17:39
* rmt notes that the Vala implementation of pview is significantly faster than his previous python implementation, even though most of the work is in the image processing/resizing functions of gdk.. strange, that.17:40
*** bilboed-tp has joined #maemo17:41
*** RST38h has quit IRC17:42
*** Shadow__X has joined #maemo17:43
*** dneary has quit IRC17:43
*** bergie_ has quit IRC17:46
*** tekojo has quit IRC17:51
lcukrmt, python is notoriously slow, vala boils down to raw c17:51
lcukyou must have some serious section which is using more python than you thought17:52
rmtlcuk, definitely the initial directory traversal ..17:52
lcukits nice and fast in c - what object model do you parse  your folders from?17:53
*** geaaru has quit IRC17:53
*** L0cutus has quit IRC17:54
* lcuk uses opendir() readdir() closedir() loop17:54
*** Meiz_Mer has joined #maemo17:55
* lcuk vanishes again17:55
*** StsN800 has quit IRC17:56
*** havan has quit IRC17:57
*** greentux has joined #maemo18:03
*** wnd has quit IRC18:04
*** wnd has joined #maemo18:04
X-Fadeqwerty12: Constant load of 6. So it is probably ok now.18:06
qwerty12Wicked, thanks!18:06
* qwerty12 *crosses fingers*18:07
X-FadeWe need a progress bar ;)18:07
*** L0cutus has joined #maemo18:07
*** xkill has joined #maemo18:07
*** dougt has joined #maemo18:08
*** danielwilms has left #maemo18:12
*** wnd has quit IRC18:12
*** eichi has joined #maemo18:13
*** TimRiker has joined #maemo18:13
*** Khertan1 has joined #maemo18:14
Khertan1Hello !18:14
* Khertan1 is currently installing Mer :)18:14
Khertan1yep i need to test mCalendar, mNotes on it :)18:16
*** wnd has joined #maemo18:17
*** qwerty12 has quit IRC18:17
*** riot has quit IRC18:17
*** ignacius has quit IRC18:18
Khertan1humm ... i need to fix pygtkeditor ... for user path ...18:18
Stskeepshehe, always using getenv("HOME") or what it is in python is a good thing18:19
*** ccooke has quit IRC18:19
*** ccooke has joined #maemo18:19
Khertan1but pygtkeditor was my first python program18:19
*** qwerty12 has joined #maEMO18:20
*** zap has quit IRC18:20
*** slonopotamus has joined #maemo18:21
*** hannesw has quit IRC18:22
*** Meiz_Mer has quit IRC18:25
*** Passeli_ has quit IRC18:25
*** ttmrichter has quit IRC18:25
*** videolink has joined #maemo18:28
*** suihkulokki has quit IRC18:28
*** jjo_ has quit IRC18:30
*** wnd has quit IRC18:32
*** videolink has quit IRC18:32
*** wnd has joined #maemo18:32
*** jjo has joined #maemo18:34
*** benh has joined #maemo18:36
*** L0cutus has quit IRC18:38
Khertan1ouch skype conf call + mer download + ftp upload of new version of our software ... isn't a good idea on a 1Mb adsl line18:39
*** k-s is now known as k-s[AWAY]18:42
*** lizardo has joined #maemo18:44
*** Free_maN has joined #maemo18:44
*** bilboed-tp has quit IRC18:44
*** lardman is now known as lardman|gone18:45
*** GAN8001 has joined #maemo18:46
*** thekondor has quit IRC18:47
*** slonopotamus_ has joined #maemo18:48
Stskeepsoh dear god18:49
qwerty12If Chinese parents are anything like Paki parents, I could probably relate...18:50
*** GAN800 has quit IRC18:51
*** GeneralAntilles has quit IRC18:51
*** GAN8001 is now known as GeneralAntilles18:52
*** dougt_ has joined #maemo18:53
*** stv0 has joined #maemo18:54
*** woglinde has joined #maemo18:55
*** stv0 has left #maemo18:56
*** wnd has quit IRC18:57
*** GAN800 has joined #maemo18:58
*** jjo has quit IRC18:59
*** timoph has quit IRC18:59
*** Wikier has quit IRC19:01
*** konttori__ has joined #maemo19:01
*** slonopotamus_ has quit IRC19:01
*** booiiing has quit IRC19:05
*** churl has joined #maemo19:06
*** eichi has quit IRC19:07
*** bilboed-tp has joined #maemo19:07
*** booiiing has joined #maemo19:07
churlhello everyone!19:07
*** mtc has joined #maemo19:07
*** slonopotamus has quit IRC19:08
churlIt's been a minute since I've been here, hope all is well in the maemo world19:08
churlwow, lots of new apps available to install!19:10
*** dougt has quit IRC19:10
*** wnd has joined #maemo19:11
*** eichi has joined #maemo19:11
*** dougt_ has quit IRC19:13
*** lizardo has quit IRC19:15
*** bergie has joined #maemo19:17
*** svu_ has quit IRC19:17
*** suihkulokki has joined #maemo19:18
*** konttori__ has quit IRC19:20
Stskeepswow, april 09 looks like there's activity going on19:22
*** wnd has quit IRC19:23
GeneralAntillesand March didn't?19:26
*** L0cutus has joined #maemo19:27
Khertan1Stskeeps: did there is problem with the 019:27
*** guardian has quit IRC19:27
Khertan1download ?19:27
StskeepsGeneralAntilles: .. more colours19:27
StskeepsKhertan1: hmm?19:27
Khertan1of mer installer ?19:27
Stskeepsshouldn't be a problem, if you have 2.0.0-mer819:27
Khertan1i ve should redownload the things 5 times19:27
*** roue has joined #maemo19:28
Khertan1i mean not the installer but the archive of 0.1119:28
Stskeepsshouldn't be a problem with it, it fails to unpack or?19:28
Khertan1teh download of mer-armel-n8x0-images-v0.11.tar.gz19:29
Khertan1not the upack ... really the download part which stall19:29
*** florian has quit IRC19:29
*** danilocesar has quit IRC19:29
Khertan1seems you didn't hear of any problems19:29
|thunderwhat is Mer ?19:29
Stskeepswell i guess there's different types of internet connections19:29
Khertan1so it should come from my adsl19:29
infobotwell, mer is
StskeepsKhertan1: i can put it on a better connection if you want me to19:30
Stskeepsand you can point the installer to a new URL=19:30
Khertan1this time it s seems i have near the end19:30
Khertan1so it should be ok19:30
|thunderhmm, no screenies19:31
Stskeepsplenty of screenies19:31
GeneralAntillesA screenshot link from the Mer homepage would be good.19:32
*** churl has left #maemo19:32
*** churl has joined #maemo19:34
*** _berto_ has quit IRC19:37
Stskeepswazd_: <- true WTF19:38
qwerty12"All our squad, hombres from assibilate the cosmos, schmoose on # maemo"19:39
*** ccooke has quit IRC19:39
*** ccooke has joined #maemo19:39
Khertan1I'll try to made screenshot of my apps under mer19:39
qwerty12I'm dark but I ain't Mexican :P19:39
Khertan1is it normal that after entering root password terminal close and nothing more happen ?19:39
StskeepsKhertan1: go into application manager, check for updates, click refresh, a merinstaller update will probably show up19:40
Khertan1top indicate me that refresh boot menu :)19:40
Khertan1is working in background19:40
Khertan1Stskeeps i ve installed the last one :)19:41
*** benh has quit IRC19:41
*** parazitus has quit IRC19:41
Stskeepssure? 2.0.0-mer8?19:41
Stskeepscheck it's the right version :P19:41
Khertan1i 'm verifying19:41
*** Passeli has joined #maemo19:41
*** danilocesar has joined #maemo19:42
Khertan1if bootmenu let me some cpu cycle to see the version number19:42
churlso, I have plenty of room on both my SD cards, but none left on the internal 250 mb.  I'm guessing this is because some large game installs don't give me the option to install to an SD card.  Is there anyway to force an app to install onto a SD card?  Or is there a way that I'm not seeing to get around my, "always full 250mb" ?19:42
StskeepsKhertan1: yeah.. it's a bug and i'm sure i fixed it in 2.0.0-mer8 :P19:43
*** Passeli has quit IRC19:43
Khertan1i ve use the .install to install mer installer :)19:43
Khertan1so ssh :)19:43
StskeepsKhertan1: yeah, but it doesn't force a certainversion19:43
*** _berto_ has joined #maemo19:44
*** roue has quit IRC19:44
*** padovan is now known as padovan[AWAY]19:45
Khertan1hum ...19:45
Khertan1how can i see with apt-cache which version is installed ?19:45
Stskeepsdpkg -l merinstaller19:45
Khertan1| Status=Not/Installed/Config-files/Unpacked/Failed-config/Half-installed19:45
Khertan1|/ Err?=(none)/Hold/Reinst-required/X=both-problems (Status,Err: uppercase=bad)19:45
Khertan1||/ Name           Version        Description19:45
Khertan1ii  merinstaller   2.0.0-mer8     The offical Mer Project installer19:45
Stskeepshmm. :p19:46
Stskeepssimple or advanced?19:46
Khertan1ext card19:46
Stskeepsok, does a /etc/bootmenu.d/mer-something exist+19:47
mgedminKhertan1: you use apt-cache policy $packagename19:47
mgedminand watch for the '*' to indicate which version is installed19:47
StskeepsKhertan1: ok, reboot, and then go into root terminal and refresh_bootmenu.d19:47
mgedmindpkg -l tends to truncate its output19:47
mgedminunless you use dpkg -l $pkgname|cat19:48
*** suihkulokki has quit IRC19:48
Khertan1thx mgedmin :)19:48
mgedminalso, dpkg -l has that huge obnoxious header19:48
mgedminwhich you should probably not paste into the irc channel ;)19:48
*** MiskaX has quit IRC19:48
Khertan1the problem isn't the header ... but the system i use right now and putty ...19:48
Khertan1you know one of the only system that require that you install an application just to do ssh19:49
*** Meizirkki has joined #maemo19:49
Khertan1something that start with a W19:49
Khertan1Stskeeps: i'm not sure killing the process refresh_bootmenu is a good idea19:50
Khertan1right ?19:50
StskeepsKhertan1: oh, it's a good idea, it doesn't do anything19:50
Stskeepsjust busy-waits19:50
*** Free_maN has quit IRC19:50
Stskeepslater in the process it's not a good idea ;)19:51
*** suihkulokki has joined #maemo19:53
*** avs has joined #maemo19:53
Khertan1youps ! device crash19:54
*** zommi has joined #maemo19:54
Khertan1pivot root and starting /sbin/init...19:56
Khertan1and poof ... reboot19:56
Khertan1so ... reinstall :)19:56
Stskeepsi guess :/19:56
Khertan1It s start to look like to Windows :)19:57
*** chenca has quit IRC19:57
*** chenca has joined #maemo19:57
Khertan1but don't worry i think it s related to some thing that run in background of my nit19:57
*** mardi__ has quit IRC19:58
*** MiskaX has joined #maemo19:58
*** chenca has quit IRC19:59
*** mardi__ has joined #maemo19:59
mikkov_has anybody tried commenting on lately?19:59
*** hellwolf has quit IRC20:00
*** birunko has quit IRC20:01
*** birunko has joined #maemo20:02
*** Pebby_ has joined #maemo20:02
*** greentux has quit IRC20:02
*** konttori__ has joined #maemo20:03
*** chenca has joined #maemo20:04
*** ptargino has joined #maemo20:05
qwerty12mikkov_, I got emails today about comments on some of my things (but the odd thing is that the emails are dated 2 days ago but I only got them today)20:05
*** chenca has quit IRC20:05
mikkov_i got mails too, but comments are missing20:07
*** guardian has joined #maemo20:10
*** bilboed-tp has quit IRC20:11
*** ptargino has quit IRC20:11
*** woglinde has quit IRC20:11
*** eichi has quit IRC20:12
*** qwerty12 has quit IRC20:13
*** eichi has joined #maemo20:13
*** mardi__ has quit IRC20:14
Khertan1don't know noone like my softs enough to comment it ... :)20:14
*** k-s[AWAY] is now known as k-s20:14
*** mardi__ has joined #maemo20:15
*** mardi__ has quit IRC20:15
*** bilboed-tp has joined #maemo20:16
*** qwerty12_N800 has joined #maemo20:16
*** RST38h has joined #maemo20:17
*** madhav has joined #maemo20:17
*** krutt has joined #maemo20:18
*** L0cutus has quit IRC20:20
*** wazd has joined #maemo20:21
*** mardi__ has joined #maemo20:21
*** zimmerle has joined #maemo20:21
*** alex-weej has joined #maemo20:21
*** churl has left #maemo20:22
*** avs has quit IRC20:22
*** avs has joined #maemo20:22
*** wazd__ has joined #maemo20:23
*** GeneralAntilles has quit IRC20:23
*** ccooke has quit IRC20:24
*** ccooke has joined #maemo20:24
*** GAN800 has quit IRC20:24
*** trofi has joined #maemo20:24
*** MiskaX has quit IRC20:25
*** madhav has quit IRC20:26
*** Shadow__X has quit IRC20:27
*** timoph has joined #maemo20:27
*** jjo has joined #maemo20:27
*** beavis has quit IRC20:28
*** AD-N770 has quit IRC20:29
*** L0cutus has joined #maemo20:31
*** suihkulokki has quit IRC20:33
*** L0cutus has quit IRC20:36
*** wnd has joined #maemo20:36
*** GeneralAntilles has joined #maemo20:36
*** ab has quit IRC20:37
lcukKhertan1, what have you released now then?20:37
*** lizardo has joined #maemo20:38
*** wazd_ has quit IRC20:38
*** wazd_ has joined #maemo20:39
*** rZr is now known as RzR20:40
*** VDVsx has joined #maemo20:40
*** wazd___ has joined #maemo20:40
*** wazd has quit IRC20:40
*** wazd___ is now known as wazd20:40
*** L0cutus has joined #maemo20:41
*** jjo has quit IRC20:41
*** ryan__ has joined #maemo20:41
*** ryan__ is now known as GAN80020:41
*** aloisiojr has quit IRC20:43
*** fzero has joined #maemo20:44
*** wnd^ has joined #maemo20:46
*** timoph_ has joined #maemo20:46
*** Shadow__X has joined #maemo20:47
*** timoph has quit IRC20:47
*** wnd has quit IRC20:48
*** wnd^ is now known as wnd20:48
*** suihkulokki has joined #maemo20:48
*** jjo has joined #maemo20:49
*** aloisiojr has joined #maemo20:50
*** dneary has joined #maemo20:53
*** L0cutus has quit IRC20:54
*** _berto_ has quit IRC20:55
*** wazd__ has quit IRC20:57
*** wazd_ has quit IRC20:58
*** qwerty12_N800 has quit IRC20:58
*** qwerty12_N800 has joined #maemo20:58
*** Meizirkki has quit IRC20:59
*** Cwiiis has quit IRC21:00
*** qwerty12_N800 has quit IRC21:00
*** qwerty12_N800 has joined #maemo21:00
*** eichi has quit IRC21:01
*** vobiscum has quit IRC21:02
*** greentux has joined #maemo21:02
fzeroHello all. I don't know if this is a n00b question but is there any way to make SSHing to the N800 less laggy?21:03
lcuki never notice lag with ssh21:03
fzeroI searched google but the only solution was to leave something in other terminal window pinging an outside server.21:03
lcukand i use it lots of the time21:03
lcukjust how laggy is it21:03
fzeroVERY laggy.21:03
*** des^ has joined #maemo21:03
fzeroIt connects, asks for the password, shows the prompt and then i have a lag of some seconds.21:04
fzerothen it's responsive again21:04
Stskeepsfzero: power saving measures21:04
fzeroAnd then lags again21:04
fzeroStskeeps: Yep, i figured that, but how to fix it?21:04
mikkov_disable it21:04
Stskeepsdisabling power saving within the connections panel21:04
mikkov_but then your battery runs out fast :)21:05
fzeromikkov_: No problem, I'll leave it plugged in while doing that21:05
*** krau has joined #maemo21:05
fzeroI haven't seen that panel, but I'll look when I get home.21:05
*** wazd has quit IRC21:06
GeneralAntilleslcuk, because you use that ghetto as WiFi setup.21:06
fzeroThanks lots. I've just bought the N800 but I'm a Python (and ruby, and PHP, and...) coder.21:06
fzeroSo I have plans. >:)21:06
*** richieeee72 has joined #maemo21:06
*** richieeee72 has left #maemo21:06
GeneralAntillesJust leave something using the network21:06
GeneralAntillesXChat works nicely21:07
GeneralAntillesWhile not completely destroying your battery life.21:07
fzeroGeneralAntilles: I tried pinging my router.21:07
infobotextra, extra, read all about it, psm is Personal Security Manager for Mozilla, at  You don't need to restart mozilla as noted on that URL.  It also consumes 100% CPU unfortunately... lame piece of software. no longer works as of mozilla 0.7, or  needed for viewing of some login sites, i.e. yahoo. install by apt-get install mozilla-psm21:07
fzeroGeneralAntilles: It gets better, but it's still laggy.21:07
*** t1x has joined #maemo21:07
mikkov_pinging once a second isn't enough, psm still kicks in21:08
GeneralAntillesPSM kicks in after 100ms21:08
*** hannesw has joined #maemo21:09
lcukGeneralAntilles, my ghetto ass wifi setup obviously works better than all your slow ass laggy shite :P21:09
GeneralAntillesNo, lcuk, you trade good battery life for specious WiFi advantages21:10
lcukbut if i never suffer from a flat battery what does it matter?21:10
lcukincidentally, at the summit my n810 was the only one with battery left when we were at the pub at end of day21:10
lcukeveryone elses was flat :)21:10
fzeroAfter reading the article, maybe even the intermediate setting will work.21:12
*** herz1 has quit IRC21:14
*** matt_c has joined #maemo21:18
*** ceyusa has quit IRC21:20
*** chenca has joined #maemo21:20
*** matt_c has quit IRC21:21
*** chenca has joined #maemo21:22
*** frade has quit IRC21:23
joyriderit's comming along nicely if i say so myselve hehe :
*** vobiscum has joined #maemo21:24
lcuk\o hi jaffa21:24
Stskeeps'lo jaffa21:24
fzerojoyrider: Whats the idea, you change gravity's direction?21:25
Stskeeps.. i was reminded of21:25
fzerojoyrider: Looks like a killer, erm, time-killer.21:25
joyriderfzero yeah basicly and you need to remove the blocks by doing so :)21:25
lcukjoyrider, that video is from a windows machine, whats it like on device? is it responsive and slick?21:25
joyriderlcuk yes21:25
joyrideri tried it on the device already21:26
lcukyou need to make sure you keep trying it on device as well ;)21:26
joyrideroh i do at first the effects we're too slow till i tested it on the device had to change them :)21:26
fzerojoyrider: It has a nintendoish look and feel. Me likes it.21:27
*** qgil has joined #maemo21:27
*** sergio has quit IRC21:27
lcukjoyrider, you have a simple little driving game, is that sdl as well?21:27
joyriderfzero the "blueish skin" is actually taken from the nintendo game version, it's a remake21:27
joyriderlcuk yes21:28
joyriderbut never finished it21:28
lcukget that ported ;)21:28
qgilGeneralAntilles: ping21:28
GeneralAntillesqgil, pong?21:28
fzerojoyrider: cool21:28
lcukjoyrider, ive considered a racing game where you drive car around by drawing stroke all the way round the track21:28
joyriderfzero original game is named "gravnic", which is part of "puzznic" for the nes :)21:28
qgilhi, do you hav plans for Copenhagen?21:28
lcukas levels advance the track gets thinner ;)21:28
joyriderah sounds intresting21:29
lcukbut the sort of scale track as you have on the game you show there21:29
lcukie the principle core of your app could work easily ;)21:29
joyrideryeah but it's too buggy & hackery :) i wanted to make the levels all defined by graphics for gates etc so people could "draw" the levels but i never finished it lost intrest in it :/21:30
joyriderplus the graphic level was hard to do so decided to skip it21:31
joyriderbtw yesterday i stumbled on a nice site : don't know if you have seen it before but it has general idea's for some game implementations21:31
lcukheh, way back when i wrote a racetrack designer - lovely splines and crossovers and adjustable bits21:31
GeneralAntillesqgil, there's no way I could get a passport in time.21:31
*** mgedmin has quit IRC21:32
joyrideryeah i read something up about the splines and how one could create ai cars using that, but that was too hard for me i'm just an average joe programmer doing it as a hobby (& work) but i still consider myselve quite noob to it all :)21:32
qgilGeneralAntilles: ... and through El Paso?21:32
qgilGeneralAntilles: alright, but please star doing the papers so you get it for the Maemo Summit...21:33
GeneralAntillesqgil, yeah, on it.21:33
*** alecrim has quit IRC21:33
*** jprvita has joined #maemo21:33
qgilthen... I only need to know whether Qola has plans21:33
GeneralAntillesNot much I can really bring to the table for a dev get together anyway. ;)21:34
*** dneary has quit IRC21:34
lcukjoyrider, dont underestimate yourself, you have got a collection of apps under your belt which can be grown and polished further21:34
qgil... and the Fremantle Stars, only lcuk has answered21:34
StskeepsGeneralAntilles: keeping opposing community members from getting into a fist fight? ;)21:35
GeneralAntillesStskeeps, dude, I'm totally throwing down.21:35
joyriderlcuk, hmm yeah but i generally start one make it , wait till its finished to my "needs" and release it and then stop working on them unless they contain bugs :) + i only started with sdl & c/c++ with the gp2x21:35
qgilStskeeps: are you recruiting Mer contributors for Copenhagn?21:35
lcukjoyrider, you have seen liqbase i gather?21:36
Stskeepsqgil: yeah, i'm trying hard - so far VDVsx can't, lbt might, and zenvoid is exploring options, and wazd can't leave the country21:36
*** chenca has joined #maemo21:36
joyriderto give an example how noob i am:  i was too lazy to figure out how to use multiple files & header files so i just (used) to write everything in one C/cpp file :x although i'm still learning and starting to use header & multiple files now :)21:36
Stskeepslcuk: getting married that weekend21:36
joyriderluck yes i've seen it :)21:36
lcukoh yeah!21:36
lcukholly will let him sneak off ;)21:37
joyridereven tried it out :)21:37
*** alecrim has joined #maemo21:37
*** chenca has quit IRC21:37
*** chenca has joined #maemo21:37
*** chenca has joined #maemo21:38
*** jprvita1 has joined #maemo21:39
*** fzero has quit IRC21:39
*** hmmb has joined #maemo21:39
*** jprvita has quit IRC21:39
Stskeepsqgil: i hope that some more people start being interested all around when details, sponsorship details, focus areas within the projects start being published - people might be wary in these crisis times :)21:39
*** jprvita1 is now known as jprvita21:39
* GeneralAntilles is wary of running into Stskeeps.21:40
qgilStskeeps: sure, I have seen that X-Fade and Eero from Nemein were trying out the sponsorship form this afternoon21:40
qgilwe do have some budget to help out developers joining in, yes21:41
* Jaffa wonders why interesting stuff always happens when he's already got plans - not like he's got a busy social life 99.999% of the time21:41
StskeepsGeneralAntilles: heh, in my old open source project we had a saying that WW3 would start if we were ever in the same room21:41
Stskeepswe=the developers21:42
GeneralAntillesJaffa, it's a conspiracy.21:42
VDVsxend of may is a very bad time for students (at least in europe) :(21:42
Stskeepsyeah - i have math exam 8 days later, but i'm reading up early on :P21:42
qgilVDVsx: I don't recall that from my times as student... specially not in a weekend  :)21:43
qgilanyway, I just hope we reach the critical mass sooner than later21:44
VDVsxqgil, yeah but now is time for final exams, graduations, etc...21:44
qgil(also the announcement was kept some extyra days because of some details and we hit Easter, not useful either to get early confirmations)21:44
VDVsxI can confirm this with some GSoC info :p21:44
qgilVDVsx: alright, before the EU mid june was the time21:45
*** brolin has quit IRC21:45
qgil... and thousends of students seem not to have many problems to meet at  ;)21:45
qgilbut yes, point taken21:46
VDVsxqgil, at least is a bad time for me. :P21:46
* VDVsx gonna watch Man. United match :)21:46
*** trofi has quit IRC21:47
*** Omegamoon has joined #maemo21:47
*** LinuxCode has joined #maemo21:47
qgil... and besides the confirmations to come or not, I would appreciate more feedback in the form of pure comments21:48
qgilabout the event itself and what could we do with it21:48
*** woglinde has joined #maemo21:48
*** madhav has joined #maemo21:49
*** briglia has joined #maemo21:49
qgilit's an experiment that no Maemo nor Mozilla hav done in the past21:49
JaffaSounds like a good idea to me, but it'll depend on how many of the key technical developers/stakeholders can make it21:50
GeneralAntillesHopefully we get some improved MicroB plugins out of it.21:50
qgilJaffa: do you mean core Fennec guys or... ?21:50
*** jprvita1 has joined #maemo21:50
qgilGeneralAntilles: MicroB plugins? We are looking preferrably for Fennec add-ons21:51
GeneralAntillesAh, well, let's hope for a functional release of Fennec, then. ;)21:51
lcuki have half an idea for a little coding competition while we are there - to give some focus to those devs who make it21:51
qgilGeneralAntilles: I guess they will get there...21:52
lcukbut im concentrating on other matters principly ;)21:52
GeneralAntillesThat, or OMAP3, I guess. . . .21:52
*** dneary has joined #maemo21:52
Stskeepsqgil: some more venue information could be good - it's a bit unclear to me if we're going to be stuck in a big room like at a LAN party ;)21:52
Stskeepsi'll try to dig some up but i'm not sure what kind of space agreement you got at ITU21:53
qgilGeneralAntilles: in principle the good thing about Fennec add-ons is that they should be cross-platform21:53
GeneralAntillesSoo, Maemo and WinMob? ;)21:53
qgilthe question is how long will it take to Fennec to have a significant presence and reliability in Maemo and the rest of platforms they are targetting21:53
qgilGeneralAntilles: there is a project for S60 too, and I wouldn't be surprised seeing them in the rest of Linux mobile platforms21:54
qgilStskeeps: there is one auditorium, a big hall and 3 rooms21:55
*** jprvita1 has left #maemo21:55
woglindeqgil is the weekend now for maemo/mozilla integration only?21:56
qgilMaemo/Mozilla integration is actually the smallest part21:57
keesjFennec rules21:57
woglindeah okay21:57
woglindeso I didnt read it wrong21:57
qgiland the less relevant since both teams are made of professionals and they meet face to face whenever they like, more or less21:57
qgilbut woglinde maybe this is what many people is thinking not reading below the event name21:57
woglindeqgil no no I read this21:58
woglindebut was unsure beause of the discussion21:58
qgilI was talking about add-ons only, which is something where there is obviously room for community / third parties21:58
Stskeepsqgil: a simple post might do something too21:59
qgilah yes, I always forget about the people that follows planet only instead of /news22:00
*** florian has joined #maemo22:01
woglindere florian22:01
qgilmaybe sending an email to the projcts listed at and would help too22:01
qgilI do think some people has got the idea that this is a weekend for Mozilla related projects only22:01
*** jgoss has quit IRC22:04
Mekqgil: well, that wiki page says that if you "work on Fennec, [...] *and* Maemo 5 applications" the call i ment for you...22:05
*** igagis has joined #maemo22:05
*** jgoss has joined #maemo22:05
*** jprvita has quit IRC22:06
* Stskeeps tries to ask around at his CS dept of students who might be interested22:07
qgil - 12 people now  :)22:07
qgilMek:  fair point!22:08
*** x29a_ is now known as x29a22:09
*** croppa has quit IRC22:09
ShadowJKKhertan1, ah I tried pygtkeditor yesterday, the save dialog changed size constantly on my device (diablo) :)22:09
*** croppa has joined #maemo22:10
qgilMek: edited in, and I will remember tomorrow in the blog post22:10
Mekokay :)22:10
*** bilboed-tp has quit IRC22:10
*** jprvita has joined #maemo22:11
*** jprvita has left #maemo22:12
*** madhav has quit IRC22:12
*** avs has quit IRC22:13
*** murrayc has joined #maemo22:13
*** Free_maN has joined #maemo22:14
*** jprvita has joined #maemo22:16
*** wazd has joined #maemo22:19
*** wazd has joined #maemo22:21
RST38hFolks, does ALSA have some /sys or /proc file that lets me modify global audio volume?22:23
Macerare you there??22:23
StskeepsMacer: mm?22:23
*** Sargun has quit IRC22:23
*** x29a has quit IRC22:24
Maceri need your phone22:24
RST38hAny other command line friendly way to control audio volume?22:24
Macerfor int shipping22:24
*** x29a has joined #maemo22:24
Macertry to hurry22:24
Macerim holding the line up22:24
Stskeepscall me in the middle of the night and i'll be grumpy :P22:24
Stskeepsphone number in msg22:24
*** murrayc has quit IRC22:24
Stskeepsqgil: prodded my previous boss who's a forum nokia contact at my university (.. who actually got me into maemo initially), and will try to see if he knows any students etc who might be interested in this too22:25
qwerty12_N800Macer: that's a hint to call him in the middle of the night :p22:25
ShadowJKRST38h, well, amixer?22:26
qgilStskeeps: thanks! the Maemo trainings in Copenhagen got good attendance22:26
Stskeepsas mobile extensions is definately a developing area22:26
*** x29a has quit IRC22:27
RST38hShadow: !22:27
RST38hShadow: thanks, I will try22:27
*** x29a has joined #maemo22:27
*** Khertan has joined #maemo22:27
*** t1x has quit IRC22:30
*** qwerty12_N800 has quit IRC22:33
*** qwerty12_N800 has joined #maemo22:33
MacerStskeeps:  it is in the hands of the usps now22:34
guysoft42hey, if i want to implement something like this on maemo, what libraries do i need?:
StskeepsMacer: alright, let them have mercy on it :P22:34
Macerwill send you the track# when i get home22:34
*** churl has joined #maemo22:34
guysoft42its a gps application and i needs a little graphics for drawing22:34
Stskeepsguysoft42: you need a n810 and possibly liblocation or libgpsbt .. i think22:34
Stskeepsand maybe some stuff to declare distance for you22:35
*** igagis has quit IRC22:35
guysoft42Stskeeps, i have the nokia, thats the point :)22:35
Stskeepsheading might be odd22:35
churlI'm getting a file format not supported in mplayer with an .avi file.  (I dont know if I deleted something today or what) any ideas of where to start?22:35
guysoft42Stskeeps, is there some sample python app i can find anywhere?22:35
Stskeepsguysoft42: no sorry22:36
Stskeepsas in22:36
Stskeepsi don't know :)22:36
*** Sargun has joined #maemo22:36
lbtqgil: I notice the event wasn't on the event list...22:37
*** bilboed-tp has joined #maemo22:37
Macersts. had to fill out a customs form22:37
Macerwhat a pain22:37
Macerreminds me of being in iraq22:37
StskeepsMacer: remembered the gift part? :P22:38
Macerit is marked as a gift22:38
Stskeepsthen perhaps the danish customs won't rape me that much22:38
Macerwell.. it is 6 to 10 days to get to dk22:38
Macerafter that its up to your system22:38
Stskeepsthat's fine, i just hope to have a working n800 by the time the copenhagen meet is22:39
Stskeepsdebugging input methods is notoriously bad when your screen is scrolling22:39
Macerwell.. hope it gets there soon ;) enjoy. ok. gotta go22:39
*** RzR is now known as rZr22:42
*** t1x has joined #maemo22:42
*** Khertan1 has quit IRC22:43
*** flavioribeiro has joined #maemo22:43
guysoft42Stskeeps, well now you know :-):
lcukStskeeps, just blik slowly (close for 3 open for 1)22:45
lcukblink even22:45
*** BlastuR has joined #maemo22:46
ShadowJKchurl: probably a damaged file..22:47
BlastuRanyone got a step-by-step guide to upgrading your n810 to the latest firmware?22:48
infobotmethinks flashing is
qwerty12_N800lbt: got told off? ;)22:48
churlShadowJK: just figured out that playing some avi files off my server works fine, while some avi files say that "format not supported" and others say "media codec not supported"22:48
*** apopelo is now known as apopelo[AWAY]22:49
churlbut they all work on non-maemo22:49
*** ccooke has quit IRC22:49
*** ccooke has joined #maemo22:49
lbtqwerty12_N800: yep22:49
lbthey, I wasn't even on this chan when he asked!22:50
ShadowJKMplayer on maemo can say "media codec not supported"? wow, regular mplayer has cryptic messages hard to figure out where the issue is :)22:51
qgillbt what needs to be done to submit it?22:52
churlShadowJK: does that make me lucky??22:52
lbthave a look here:
qwerty12_N800churl: no, it makes it sound like you're using the default media player22:53
lbtlwn is one of the more grown-up publications out there - in cas you weren't aware of it22:53
churlShadowJK: one second.......22:53
qgillbt thanks22:53
ShadowJKwhat qwerty said :)22:54
churlman, that's totally my bad22:54
lbtps - talking to OBS at the moment - Stskeeps are we planning to talk about that at copenhagen?22:54
*** t1x has quit IRC22:55
Stskeepslbt: well, it's more development than presentation22:55
Stskeepsbut i hope we have some interesting developments to show22:55
churlqwerty12_N800: ShadowJK thanks22:56
Macerwelp. need to start swapping users to the zimbra server :)23:02
qgilStskeeps lbt there is also time and place for presentations in copenhagen23:04
churlmplayer doesnt seem to work, but this is my first time really using it, it's not seeming to load a file after selecting "open" then clicking on the file for it to play.23:04
*** qgil has quit IRC23:04
lcuklbt, you coming to copenhagen? :D23:05
*** wms has quit IRC23:05
lbtI'd like to23:05
Stskeepslbt: there are space for presentations and i hope we can make one :)23:05
lbtI have the free time!23:06
churlor does it just not like files loaded from a server, (over "shared folders")?23:06
lcukchurl, copy it locally and try again23:07
lcukit might just be a bandwidth burp23:07
lbtStskeeps: yep - I'd like to see how it all fits together.23:07
lbtMer as a result23:07
churli wish23:07
lbtOBS as workflow/build support23:07
lbtmaemo/hildon as device23:08
lcuklbt :) im using git properly now23:08
lbtand /touch support23:08
lbtubunutu as base23:08
* lbt smiles wisely at lcuk23:08
*** bongo|kup has joined #maemo23:08
lbtI still want to see libgit23:09
lbtas a distributed OO DB23:09
lbtanyone know about ....   hildon_g_scanner_cache_open23:09
Stskeepslbt: yes23:10
Stskeepsmake sure glib is built23:10
Stskeepsand hildon is built against it23:10
Stskeepsthere's a reason why i load things in order, and not in one big portion :P23:10
lbtwell in that case gtk should depend on glib-mer :P23:11
*** wazd_ has joined #maemo23:11
*** The_User has joined #maemo23:11
lbtwhich maybe should provide glib23:11
lbtas it happens23:12
bongo|kupanyone know about ..... transparency package?23:12
lbtpkg-config too old; version 0.16 or better required.23:12
Stskeepslbt: maybe23:12
Stskeepslbt: .. yeah, it's an interesting loop23:12
ShadowJKKhertan, oh ignore me, I see now you updated it after i installed it23:12
*** zommi has quit IRC23:13
*** L0cutus has joined #maemo23:14
*** t1x has joined #maemo23:15
Stskeepsah, ta23:15
Stskeepsnothing yet, but it'll come :)23:15
The_UserAre there any plans for a maemo-based mobile phone?23:15
churlwhere do i look to change the app that is used as the default when opening a file?23:16
lbtThe_User: yes23:16
qwerty12_N800bongo|kup: yeah, it's mine and only in extras-devel for a reason ;)23:16
The_Userlbt: Any link?23:16
StskeepsThe_User: there'll be a Mer/hildon based one soon, :>23:16
lbtsorry, confidential23:16
qwerty12_N800churl: google dbus-switchboard23:16
The_UserMer :D Free Software :)23:17
*** flavioribeiro has quit IRC23:17
churlqwerty12_N800: thank23:17
*** mgedmin has joined #maemo23:17
lcuklbt :O23:17
bongo|kupquerty: problems? or can i try it?23:17
*** The_User has quit IRC23:17
* lbt feels guilty now23:17
qwerty12_N800bongo|kup: oh, it works (quite well actually), i just wouldn't classify it as speedy...23:18
bongo|kupqwerty12_N800: i see .... the 5 seconds thing23:19
qwerty12_N800lol, that's just to get xcompmgr started :)23:20
*** wazd has quit IRC23:20
*** The_User has joined #maemo23:20
qwerty12_N800Need to improve that script muchly though... 'twas a quick job :/23:21
*** eichi has joined #maemo23:22
bongo|kupi couldn't install from app  manager ....23:22
churllcuk: it will load some files over the network just fine, others not at all, no responce23:22
qwerty12_N800bongo|kup: odd, i sent a version to -devel that did install correctly...23:23
bongo|kupbut it's a nice hack :) thx23:23
*** L0cutus has quit IRC23:24
bongo|kupmaybe a problem with the upper case t23:26
bongo|kupTransparency != transparency23:26
qwerty12_N800that's just the Maemo-Display-Name, package itself is called transparency23:27
* lcuk curses case sensitivity23:27
*** konttori__ has quit IRC23:28
*** Sargun has quit IRC23:30
*** bongo|kup has quit IRC23:30
*** Free_maN has quit IRC23:30
*** L0cutus has joined #maemo23:32
*** bilboed-tp has quit IRC23:40
*** bilboed-tp has joined #maemo23:40
*** chenca has quit IRC23:42
*** zap has joined #maemo23:43
churllcuk: i can't get a file to load in mplayer's file address bar if it's coming from my server.23:44
churlmaybe there's a better video player?23:46
*** briglia has quit IRC23:47
lcukchurl, dunno then about connectivity, i think mplayer is more or less god as far as media players go23:48
*** bergie has quit IRC23:48
*** lizardo has quit IRC23:48
churlyeah, media player does good enough for me, and it works with the network23:49
*** t_s_o has quit IRC23:49
churli dont need to watch ALL of my videos23:49
*** padovan[AWAY] is now known as padovan23:50
lcukchurl, there you go then :P23:52
* churl gives up23:52
*** chenca has joined #maemo23:53
*** BlastuR has quit IRC23:57
MacerStskeeps: it's the usps :) be happy if you get the tracking information before it gets there23:57
Maceri should hve used fedex but that's a little far from here23:57
Stskeepsyeah - usps is fine23:58
Stskeepswas shipping bad?23:58
Macerit's ok :) i guess it will get there23:58
Macerhonestly i've only had 1 problem with the usps once in my life23:58
*** mardi__ has quit IRC23:59

Generated by 2.15.1 by Marius Gedminas - find it at!