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| Macer | blah. hope this shit works | 00:03 |
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| Macer | zimbra has this header thing.. what a pain :) .. when you print emails from the web client it says Zimbra Collaboration Suite on the top with the sender's email address. which is fine .. but the zimbra part sucks | 00:04 |
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| Jaffa | lbt: done | 00:05 |
| lbt | cool - ta | 00:06 |
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| Plawsix | :) | 00:11 |
| Jaffa | Does anyone else want to respond to http://www.internettablettalk.com/forums/showpost.php?p=277707&postcount=35 - I think GeneralAntilles and I are viewed as biased/corrupted/evil/wrong. | 00:11 |
| * GeneralAntilles waves around his pitchfork | 00:12 | |
| Mousey | totally! ^_^ | 00:12 |
| Mousey | i mean about the pitchforks | 00:12 |
| qwerty12_N800 | Jaffa: you finally admitted it! | 00:12 |
| qwerty12_N800 | :p | 00:12 |
| Stskeeps | Jaffa: nothing helps but pills for paranoid people.. and tinfoil hats | 00:13 |
| qwerty12_N800 | oh, I read that without the "viewed" and assumed sarcasm. Sorry. | 00:13 |
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| Jaffa | qwerty12_N800: Oh, I admit I'm evil/biased and corrupted. But *never* wrong. | 00:14 |
| GeneralAntilles | ^ | 00:15 |
| qwerty12_N800 | lol | 00:15 |
| GeneralAntilles | I'm amazed that some of these things are revelations to people | 00:15 |
| GeneralAntilles | Who the hell else do they think pays for maemo.org employees? | 00:15 |
| Jaffa | Pixies. | 00:16 |
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| GeneralAntilles | It's all out-of-pocket from Jaffa | 00:16 |
| GeneralAntilles | and he uses his evil influence to make them do his bidding. | 00:17 |
| Jaffa | Doesn't work on my underlings at work - and I can influence their prospects for payrises, promotion or redundancy. Seems unlikely I could do it over the Internet when the big sticks are only virtual. | 00:17 |
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| VDVsx | well, I know some guys that with some amount of money, as a incentive, can deal very well with PEBCK, if anyone need please tell me :P | 00:19 |
| * Jaffa just wants toys :) | 00:21 | |
| * RST38h moos | 00:21 | |
| Jaffa | And the ability to function on less sleep; and more time. | 00:21 |
| GeneralAntilles | Robot | 00:21 |
| * lcuk gives jaffa an empty box | 00:21 | |
| lcuk | clones? | 00:22 |
| Jaffa | Is it big enough to climb inside? Can I paint it blue and pretend it's a TARDIS? | 00:22 |
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| lcuk | jaffa, only if you use BIG DOCTOR SCARY EYES! O O | 00:25 |
| GeneralAntilles | Somebody needs to find Jaffa a refrigerator box for the Summit | 00:25 |
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| lcuk | sadly enough, i know where to get a sonic screwdriver from | 00:27 |
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| Proteous | what about nitro 9 | 00:29 |
| * Jaffa has a toy sonic screwdriver (shared with son ;-)). Makes the proper noises and everything. | 00:30 | |
| lbt | night all | 00:31 |
| lcuk | Jaffa, depending on where you bought it from you might have a real one, don't let your son use it if you want him locked in playpen | 00:31 |
| VDVsx | night lbt | 00:31 |
| lcuk | night lbt \o | 00:32 |
| Jaffa | night lbt | 00:32 |
| mavhc | did you get it from a strange man who appeared to be running away from something? | 00:33 |
| Jaffa | He said something like "hold this, I'll come back for it in the future... or the past" and then I heard a vworp vworp noise and he was gone | 00:33 |
| mavhc | ah, it's fine then | 00:36 |
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| Proteous | damn bots | 00:36 |
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| wazd | RST38h: hey | 00:36 |
| wazd | RST38h: just installed fresh aTi | 00:37 |
| wazd | RST38h: there are my mistakes with screen zones( | 00:37 |
| wazd | RST38h: btw, why different calculators have different screen color settings?) | 00:40 |
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| RST38h | back | 00:47 |
| RST38h | wazd: where are the mistakes? | 00:47 |
| Stskeeps | wb | 00:47 |
| RST38h | wazd: And the color settings should all be the same, is there a problem somewhere? | 00:47 |
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| wazd | RST38h: well, Ti85 and Ti 86 looks best for me | 00:48 |
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| wazd | RST38h: 82,83 and 83+ has more red I guess | 00:49 |
| * RST38h is simply reading the png palette, cutting it down to 16bpp and showing whatever is left | 00:49 | |
| RST38h | checking | 00:49 |
| wazd | RST38h: and 83+ has 2px stripe on the right, that's my fault | 00:50 |
| RST38h | Not seeing any red | 00:50 |
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| wazd | RST38h: well, i'll post a screen | 00:50 |
| RST38h | yea, I see the stripes... fixed them in a few skins, but I guess the new ones have them again | 00:50 |
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| wazd | RST38h: btw, If i'm in 83 for example, hiting fullscreen, I can't get back to 83 :) | 00:51 |
| sisto | hello | 00:51 |
| sisto | anyone tried the xkcdha app? | 00:51 |
| sisto | pretty nice | 00:51 |
| wazd | RST38h: can't return to the calc from selector | 00:51 |
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| RST38h | wazd: it does it sometimes but I still do not know why | 00:52 |
| RST38h | wazd: it's really weird | 00:52 |
| sisto | only problem I had with this xkcdha app is that if I change focus to another app and come back, becomes a little unstable and I can't close it | 00:53 |
| RST38h | wazd: is it ok if I use your original app icon, without embossed TI? | 00:55 |
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| wazd | RST38h: As you wish :) | 00:55 |
| RST38h | wazd: embossed one looks cuter but resizes worse (especially to 26x26) | 00:56 |
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| wazd | RST38h: you can use simple just for small sizes :) | 00:57 |
| RST38h | wazd: by different colors, did you mean the calc screen colors? | 00:57 |
| wazd | RST38h: http://s44.radikal.ru/i103/0904/de/55b4d1f1d586.png | 00:58 |
| RST38h | wazd: yea, that is one way, but I kinda prefer to generate them all from one source =( | 00:58 |
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| RST38h | wazd: I see what you mean. It is normal: these calcs have different LCD hardware and different contrast controls | 00:59 |
| sisto | about xkcdha, I was wrong, it didn't crash or anything, there was a home applet which came with it and i got confused | 00:59 |
| RST38h | wazd: click 2nd and then change contrast with UP/DOWN buttons - you can make it anything you want | 00:59 |
| wazd | RST38h: aw. There's no way to make them look like 85/86?) | 00:59 |
| sisto | ines app rocks too... i spend hours playing bubble bobble :> so much hapiness XD | 00:59 |
| wazd | RST38h: nope, they still remain to be redish | 00:59 |
| RST38h | wazd: AFAIK, different versions of 85/86 had different screens :) | 01:00 |
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| RST38h | wazd: I am actually adding blue :) | 01:00 |
| wazd | RST38h: I mean, curren 85/86 settings looks great | 01:00 |
| RST38h | wazd: well, damn ti83 BIOS sets those colors as defaults. I will try to tweak them a bit but do not expect much :( | 01:01 |
| RST38h | wazd: Now, what was that problem with sensitive areas being misaligned? | 01:01 |
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| wazd | RST38h: oh, wait a bit, I think I've found the right position of the contrast :) | 01:03 |
| Macer | man i love zimbra sometimes | 01:03 |
| Macer | there is only 2 things that are messed up with it | 01:04 |
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| wazd | RST38h: hmmm,I don't have that problem | 01:04 |
| RST38h | wazd: so all buttons match? | 01:04 |
| wazd | RST38h: you mean selector or calc itself? | 01:05 |
| RST38h | either | 01:05 |
| wazd | RST38h: All works fine | 01:06 |
| RST38h | cool | 01:06 |
| sisto | Macer: what? | 01:06 |
| RST38h | so the only coding problem is that random shutdown on model switch | 01:07 |
| Macer | sisto: ? | 01:07 |
| neatojones_ | Does anyone out there watch the NBA? | 01:07 |
| woglinde | neatojones nope | 01:07 |
| sisto | Macer: zimbra == exchange? | 01:07 |
| woglinde | dont habe the time | 01:07 |
| Macer | no | 01:08 |
| Macer | zimbra is a good alternative to exchange though | 01:08 |
| neatojones_ | I was just watching score recaps on ESPN. I quit watching NBA several years back when they all went on strike because "You just can't live off of 1.2 million a year." Anyway, I saw that the score for a game today was 116 to 140. | 01:08 |
| neatojones_ | What the heck? | 01:08 |
| neatojones_ | 140 points?!? | 01:08 |
| sisto | why do companies buy exchange? is it much better than zimbra? | 01:08 |
| neatojones_ | have they even heard of defense? | 01:08 |
| Macer | sisto: because they are complacent with corperate america's idea of what a network should be | 01:09 |
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| wazd | RST38h: and inability to return to the calc | 01:10 |
| jaem_N810 | hello folks | 01:10 |
| wazd | RST38h: it never worked for me | 01:10 |
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| RST38h | wazd: I will fix it | 01:13 |
| wazd | RST38h: cool | 01:14 |
| RST38h | wazd: Ok, do I change display offset myself or do you change it? It is currently at 53 at some faceplates, has to be 54 | 01:14 |
| wazd | RST38h: well, if you can - feel free | 01:14 |
| wazd | RST38h: It would be easier for you to debug :) | 01:14 |
| wazd | RST38h: I don't know why I've done them anyway :D To see how it will look I guess :) | 01:15 |
| RST38h | =) | 01:15 |
| jaem_N810 | if I have two cards with the same partitioning, but one has Maemo, and one has Mer, is there an easy way to set up bootmenu to boot either? | 01:17 |
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| Stskeeps | yes, it's in the installation information | 01:18 |
| Stskeeps | it looks at internal vs external slot | 01:18 |
| jaem_N810 | they're both external cards... | 01:18 |
| RST38h | wazd: Oh, could you change them yourself? :( | 01:18 |
| Stskeeps | jaem_N810: yeah, it is two different items | 01:18 |
| wazd | RST38h: sure :) | 01:18 |
| Stskeeps | it'll be fine | 01:18 |
| * RST38h is having GIMP mental incompatibility problems again | 01:18 | |
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| RST38h | wazd: Thanks! Sorry to ask but I am really bad with this GIMP thing =( | 01:19 |
| jaem_N810 | Stskeeps: okay. What's the difference between the Mer bootmenu, and the one in PB's console-tools? | 01:19 |
| jaem_N810 | they seem to act differently | 01:19 |
| Stskeeps | jaem_N810: his is bootmenu regular release, mine is bootmenu svn | 01:20 |
| Stskeeps | and it supports some tricks and has a saner bootmenu configuration | 01:20 |
| jaem_N810 | Stskeeps: okay, that makes sense. I couldn't figure out why there were two versions floating around | 01:21 |
| RST38h | wazd: Problem occurs in TI82, TI83, TI83P, TI83SE | 01:21 |
| Stskeeps | pb needs to start using bootmenu items and all this wouldn't be a problem :P | 01:21 |
| jaem_N810 | :P | 01:21 |
| RST38h | wazd: May also be a vertical position problem with some, the code assumes vertical LCD position at 96 | 01:22 |
| wazd | RST38h: I'll just remove darkened zones :) | 01:23 |
| jaem_N810 | grr... XChat focusses the Channel topic if you push -> in the msg entry textbox | 01:23 |
| RST38h | wazd: Why? This will not fix things | 01:23 |
| wazd | RST38h: oh | 01:23 |
| jaem_N810 | is there anyone I can talk to about that? I keep almost changing the topic | 01:23 |
| RST38h | wazd: as soon as somebody adjusts contrast, these extra pixels will show up again | 01:23 |
| wazd | RST38h: I thought that the problem was that darkened zone is misplaced with actual screen | 01:24 |
| RST38h | but moving them all to 54,96 will do the job | 01:24 |
| RST38h | wazd: yea, that's right | 01:24 |
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| RST38h | Actually, now I see what you mean...yes, if you remove the darkened rectangles, it will work just fine :) | 01:25 |
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| woglinde | good inte | 01:31 |
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| RST38h | wazd: Fixed your problem with the same calc model not being selectable | 01:33 |
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| * jaem_N810 goes back to studying | 01:37 | |
| RST38h | falling asleep. g'night all... | 01:37 |
| jaem_N810 | cheers | 01:37 |
| jaem_N810 | g'night RST38h | 01:38 |
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| wazd | RST38h: 82: http://s59.radikal.ru/i166/0904/4c/61de0573d057.png | 01:38 |
| wazd | RST38h: wait! :) | 01:38 |
| wazd | aaw( | 01:39 |
| RST38h | back | 01:39 |
| RST38h | no, still here | 01:39 |
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| RST38h | why no arrows? =) | 01:40 |
| wazd | RST38h: oh crap) | 01:40 |
| VDVsx | night all | 01:41 |
| wazd | RST38h: 83: http://s39.radikal.ru/i086/0904/dc/872ded5527bd.png | 01:41 |
| wazd | RST38h: 83+: http://s43.radikal.ru/i099/0904/5a/4b942202c658.png | 01:41 |
| RST38h | got both | 01:42 |
| wazd | RST38h: 83+SE: http://s43.radikal.ru/i099/0904/65/04f2c433c9dd.png | 01:42 |
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| RST38h | Got 'em all, will fix 82 by filling the rectangle | 01:43 |
| RST38h | Thanks! Going to hit the bed now, will release 1.3.1 tomorrow | 01:43 |
| wazd | RST38h: 82: http://i077.radikal.ru/0904/f7/7d38e88c692a.png | 01:43 |
| wazd | Well, I'll go to get some sleep too, good night world :) | 01:44 |
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| Macer | wow .. this is a pretty sickly law and order | 01:45 |
| Macer | rather twisted | 01:45 |
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| L0cutus | re | 09:46 |
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| qgil | Stskeeps: ping | 09:57 |
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| qgil | Stskeeps: We have some budget to sponsor key participants in the Danish Weekend. You are invited, and we will give priority to the contributors of the Mep project that you would like to work with in Copenhagen. | 09:58 |
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| qgil | All you will be able to request sponsorship as soon as X-Fade has fixed an annoying bug in the same registration for we used for the Maemo Summit. | 09:59 |
| qgil | fyi the same priority is given to the Fremantle Stars projects | 10:00 |
| qgil | ... and basically also to the cool apps available in Fremantle extras-devel | 10:00 |
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| StsN801 | qgil, sounds good:) i'm self-financing this time around and crashing at a friend of mine - i'd like to make room for other mer developers in the budget | 10:04 |
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| thux | StsN801: new mer installer came yesterday, does it install any diffrent mer than old one? | 10:13 |
| StsN801 | thux, yes, 0.11 | 10:13 |
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| StsN801 | and fixes some bugs | 10:13 |
| thux | ok | 10:14 |
| thux | StsN801: btw does that penguinbait bootloader bother mer installing? | 10:15 |
| StsN801 | yeah, overwrite it with mer one and read the installation instructions. there's a part about clone to sd | 10:16 |
| thux | ok | 10:16 |
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| RST38h | EHLO | 10:31 |
| qwerty12 | HELO | 10:32 |
| RST38h | qwerty: Anyway to move input field from undeneath guessed words in Anagramarama? =) | 10:33 |
| qwerty12 | It was the best way I could get it to fit without making the letters any smaller. But I notice that the background image is still 800x600, I'll change that later and see what happns | 10:33 |
| qwerty12 | s/happns/happens/ | 10:34 |
| infobot | qwerty12 meant: It was the best way I could get it to fit without making the letters any smaller. But I notice that the background image is still 800x600, I'll change that later and see what happens | 10:34 |
| qwerty12 | But, that said, while not looking good, it doesn't deter from the playability of the game. | 10:35 |
| RST38h | qwerty: I guess at this point it seems better to make letters smaller =( | 10:35 |
| RST38h | Yea, it works, just looks a bit untidy | 10:36 |
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| aquatix | good moaning | 10:47 |
| Jaffa | Good moaning | 10:47 |
| Jaffa | Oh, damn - snap | 10:48 |
| qgil | http://wiki.maemo.org/Mozilla_Maemo_Danish_Weekend#Who_is_coming | 10:48 |
| aquatix | Jaffa: hm? | 10:48 |
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| * Jaffa suspects your "moaning" subliminally influenced me | 10:49 | |
| aquatix | :) | 10:49 |
| aquatix | it's monday moaning again | 10:49 |
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| qgil | and for those of you in Facebook: http://www.facebook.com/event.php?eid=68342912828 | 10:52 |
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| suihkulokki | spambook | 10:53 |
| qgil | huomenta suihkulokki | 10:54 |
| suihkulokki | huomenta qgil :) | 10:55 |
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| b0unc3 | good morning | 11:00 |
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| wazd | hello world | 11:09 |
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| world | wazd: hi | 11:11 |
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| wazd | jezuschrist))) | 11:11 |
| Stskeeps | morning | 11:14 |
| X-Fade | Morning | 11:14 |
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| RST38h | heya wazd | 11:21 |
| RST38h | moo Sts | 11:21 |
| wazd | RST38h: Stskeeps: hello hello :) | 11:21 |
| wazd | X-Fade: hello | 11:21 |
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| Macer | hm | 11:32 |
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| vsr | does Maemo got a video player? | 11:33 |
| X-Fade | wazd: hi | 11:33 |
| Stskeeps | vsr: plenty | 11:33 |
| vsr | like | 11:33 |
| x29a | mplayer | 11:34 |
| x29a | "videplayer" | 11:34 |
| Jaffa | gstreamer-based Helix-based player shipped as standard, mplayer available separaterly | 11:34 |
| x29a | canola | 11:34 |
| vsr | looking for a gui player | 11:34 |
| vsr | maemo uses gpe right? | 11:34 |
| Stskeeps | nop | 11:34 |
| Stskeeps | maemo uses maemo :P | 11:34 |
| Stskeeps | x29a: you were the one that wrote Documentation/Installation weren't you? | 11:35 |
| Jaffa | vsr: There's one shipped, alternatively there are other front ends such as Canola, UKMP, Kagu, MediaBox | 11:35 |
| Jaffa | vsr: the GPE PIM suite has been ported to Maemo, but it's its own Debian-based OS using the open source Hildon libraries (based on Gtk+) | 11:35 |
| vsr | what is the backend for these front ends? | 11:36 |
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| vsr | mplayer? | 11:36 |
| Stskeeps | either gstreamer or mplayer | 11:36 |
| qwerty12 | mplayer, but canola and mediabox have the option to use the default media player backend: osso-media-server | 11:36 |
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| qwerty12 | Oh, yeah, mediabox also has the option of using gstreamer directly (beta iirc) | 11:37 |
| vsr | which one is the best, | 11:37 |
| vsr | ;-) | 11:37 |
| Stskeeps | depends on taste | 11:37 |
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| vsr | i have mplayer as a backend | 11:38 |
| vsr | something which is light and fast | 11:38 |
| qwerty12 | mplayer for 98% of things, but the default media player backend can play some wmv's better | 11:38 |
| vsr | mplayer does not have a front end. i dont have a console | 11:38 |
| vsr | do you know some good front ends which use mplayer as the backend | 11:39 |
| qwerty12 | You just got a list. | 11:39 |
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| vsr | yeah thanks, but none of this is supported in open embedded | 11:41 |
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| Macer | well have to love that android txt to speech lib | 11:51 |
| Macer | too bad i had to buy a damn app for jabber support | 11:51 |
| Macer | so i can use my jabberd | 11:51 |
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| lcuk | qwerty12 mafw is meant to allow mplayer or gstreamer as a backend | 11:52 |
| qwerty12 | I'm talking about now though | 11:53 |
| lcuk | then it doesnt :P | 11:53 |
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| Jaffa | awedsxz | 11:55 |
| Jaffa | Doh | 11:55 |
| qwerty12 | That the new language you picked up after a trip in the Tardis? :) | 11:55 |
| Jaffa | I can speak 6 billion languages now | 11:56 |
| RST38h | As long as the word you speak is "Urgh"? =) | 11:56 |
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| aquatix | RST38h: you don't know how hard it is to pronounce that word in New New New New New New York's dialect | 11:59 |
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| MakeGho | This stupid n810 web browser always pops up the new window I open with "open new window". Even if I click it to background, it soon pops up again a few times. Anyone got a cure for this annoying behaviour? | 12:05 |
| RST38h | aquatix: that is probably they use smells to communicate there | 12:06 |
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| RST38h | MakeGho: Complain to generalAntilles or GAN800 - he will commiserate with you | 12:06 |
| RST38h | (and point to a bug report that will probably never be resolved by Nokia now) | 12:06 |
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| MakeGho | :/ | 12:09 |
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| thux | Stskeeps: does mer virtual-keyboard has locale layouts? | 12:22 |
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| thux | tried also moblin-matchbox which does have but it got grey background where black keys are hard to see | 12:26 |
| Stskeeps | thux: not until someone makes it | 12:26 |
| thux | ok | 12:26 |
| Stskeeps | it shouldn't be that difficult though | 12:26 |
| Stskeeps | the problem is the input method goodies is closed source, but framework is open | 12:27 |
| thux | wonder could i change that moblin-matchbox keyboard colors? | 12:27 |
| Stskeeps | possible | 12:27 |
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| thux | ok try that | 12:28 |
| thux | i try that | 12:28 |
| Stskeeps | someone should try to take moblin-matchbox and turn it into a GTK input method or something.. | 12:30 |
| Stskeeps | or HIM | 12:30 |
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| wazd_n800 | Stskeeps, are there any candidates for mer's default mediaplayer?) | 12:31 |
| Stskeeps | wazd_n800: canola2? dunno | 12:32 |
| Stskeeps | i mean, it's OSS now | 12:32 |
| Stskeeps | but i guess a lightweight one would be good too | 12:33 |
| thux | i'm on mer now and cannot do ctrl +ad any otherway detach screen? | 12:34 |
| Stskeeps | thux: sorry, ctrl doesn't work in osso-xterm :( please report on http://bugs.maemo.org/enter_bug.cgi?product=Mer | 12:34 |
| thux | ok | 12:35 |
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| lcuk | sappy feel good story for monday: http://uk.news.yahoo.com/18/20090406/tod-dog-overboard-found-four-months-late-37b0eca.html | 12:50 |
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| RST38h | lcuk: "Sophie Tucker, assumed dead, survives alone on an ocean island! News at 11!" | 12:58 |
| florian | good morning | 12:59 |
| RST38h | lcuk: "...was living off feral goats." | 12:59 |
| wazd_n800 | does anybody knows where pidgin installs on the tablet? | 13:00 |
| qwerty12 | dpkg -L pidgin? | 13:00 |
| RST38h | lcuk: "...she'd started eating baby feral goats." | 13:00 |
| RST38h | This story ends too soon, with two few details | 13:00 |
| RST38h | s/two/too | 13:01 |
| RST38h | wazd: /usr/share/pidgin if it made you install that humongous data package (it is not needed in general) | 13:01 |
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| wazd_n800 | RST38h, well, i've tried to fix icq problem as described on russian nit forum and I think I've epic-failed) | 13:03 |
| RST38h | wazd: URL? | 13:04 |
| wazd_n800 | now the device is loaded with crap and pidgin doesn't work at all) | 13:04 |
| RST38h | The best thing would be to contact nix and ask him to update the package | 13:05 |
| wazd_n800 | RST38h, http://n8xx.com/pda/viewtopic.php?id=2751 | 13:05 |
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| wazd_n800 | can I remove pidgin stuff somehow?) | 13:07 |
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| RST38h | wazd: rm -rf /usr/share/pidgin does it =) | 13:35 |
| RST38h | wazd: To chto tam eti orly kompilyat na n8xx ya by opasalsya vot tak na ura stavit' - bo nikto ne znaet kakie u nix dependencies | 13:37 |
| RST38h | wazd: No libpurple podmenit' (comment #22) mozhno poprobovat' | 13:38 |
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| lizardo | X-Fade: hi | 13:50 |
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| X-Fade | lizardo: Hi | 13:50 |
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| lizardo | I'm trying to upload a new version of "maemo-python-env" (whose latest version was uploaded by jhs_s) to maemo extras, but it the builder simply does not start it (even when the queue is empty), then after a few hours, it fails | 13:52 |
| lizardo | X-Fade: ^ any ideas? | 13:52 |
| lizardo | X-Fade: the package is just a metapackage, so it should not take that long to build | 13:52 |
| X-Fade | lizardo: did you upload all needed files? | 13:53 |
| lizardo | X-Fade: the strange thing is that I could upload maemo-python-device-env (very similar to it) without problems | 13:53 |
| lizardo | X-Fade: I think so, but I will check that | 13:53 |
| lizardo | X-Fade: does the builder "holds" the package from building if it could not satisfy its dependencies? | 13:55 |
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| X-Fade | lizardo: It was rejected because the orig.tar.gz was missing? | 13:55 |
| lizardo | X-Fade: yeah, but I'm pretty sure it was not :) (tried twice) | 13:55 |
| svu__ | alterego, here? | 13:55 |
| X-Fade | lizardo: Is it really only 133 bytes? | 13:56 |
| X-Fade | lizardo: 94330d0e4c89030f87ce8f6289384aba 133 maemo-python-env_1.1.0.orig.tar.gz | 13:56 |
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| lizardo | X-Fade: yes: | 13:57 |
| lizardo | $ md5sum ../maemo-python-env_1.1.0.orig.tar.gz; du -sb ../maemo-python-env_1.1.0.orig.tar.gz | 13:57 |
| lizardo | 94330d0e4c89030f87ce8f6289384aba ../maemo-python-env_1.1.0.orig.tar.gz | 13:57 |
| lizardo | 133 ../maemo-python-env_1.1.0.orig.tar.gz | 13:57 |
| lizardo | X-Fade: hmmm | 13:58 |
| lizardo | but now looking at it, it looks strange :/ | 13:58 |
| lizardo | I mean, the source package was created without errors, but in fact the .tar.gz tarball looks empty | 13:59 |
| lizardo | X-Fade: I will verify why this happened, thanks for your help! | 13:59 |
| X-Fade | lizardo: Let me know what you find ;) | 14:00 |
| Macer | word | 14:01 |
| Macer | Stskeeps: going to the po to ship it today | 14:01 |
| Stskeeps | alright :) | 14:01 |
| Macer | make sure you do good things with it ;) | 14:02 |
| Stskeeps | of course i will | 14:02 |
| Macer | and now i have an excuse to get an n810 | 14:03 |
| Macer | haha | 14:03 |
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| Macer | damn n810 goes for $350 still? | 14:06 |
| Macer | kind of high isnt it? | 14:07 |
| mgedmin | well, then n900 doesn't exist yet | 14:08 |
| mgedmin | I imagine the price will drop then | 14:08 |
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| svu__ | can anyone pls ping alterego, to check if he is just ignoring me? | 14:10 |
| Macer | amazon has n810s for 270 new | 14:10 |
| tank-man | didn't buy.com have n810s on sale a while back for $200 | 14:11 |
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| lardman | morning all | 14:12 |
| Macer | dont know | 14:12 |
| qwerty12 | afternoon lardman ;) | 14:12 |
| Stskeeps | morning lardman | 14:13 |
| lardman | qwerty12: hey, I'm going with ugt | 14:13 |
| lardman | hi Stskeeps | 14:13 |
| qwerty12 | lol | 14:13 |
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| suihkulokki | any ssl/certificate gurus awake? | 14:16 |
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| suihkulokki | or if anyone is able to curl/wget https://git.maemo.org/ without ssl error | 14:18 |
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| Stskeeps | works for me in firefox 3 | 14:19 |
| suihkulokki | I know | 14:20 |
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| Stskeeps | oh, curl | 14:20 |
| pyhimys | curl -k https://git.maemo.org/ | 14:22 |
| qgil | hi X-Fade, maybe that bug in the registration for has something to do with the "Notice" appearing at http://maemo.org/news/events/maemo_summit-001/ ¿? | 14:24 |
| suihkulokki | pyhimys: that's a a workaround. I'm intersted in getting it fixed. | 14:24 |
| Stskeeps | suihkulokki: if you're still doing anything scratchbox related, you -really- want to take a look at OBS's qemu-arm patches. i just set up a binfmt_misc environment with their qemu-arm and user-level emulates without a single hiss | 14:26 |
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| suihkulokki | Stskeeps: where are their qemu patches? | 14:27 |
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| Stskeeps | make a OBS account, and at https://build.opensuse.org/package/show?package=qemu-svn&project=openSUSE%3ATools%3ADevel , grab Debian_Etch version , and dpkg-buildpackage | 14:27 |
| Stskeeps | generates a static /usr/bin/qemu-arm | 14:28 |
| * lcuk waves \o | 14:28 | |
| Stskeeps | patches are in debian/patches | 14:28 |
| suihkulokki | pfft | 14:28 |
| Stskeeps | yeah, it's lame to have to make an account | 14:28 |
| suihkulokki | can't you get them online somewhere? | 14:29 |
| Stskeeps | sec | 14:29 |
| lizardo | X-Fade: I found the problem, it was a the previous version of the package in http://repository.maemo.org/extras-devel/pool/fremantle/free/source/m/maemo-python-env/ (look at its size), it should not have a .orig.tar.gz anyway (it is a native package), so I just removed it and made a .diff.gz + .tar.gz upload... let's see if it works | 14:30 |
| Stskeeps | suihkulokki: http://bsd.tspre.org/~stskeeps/obs-qemu/ | 14:31 |
| lcuk | lol stskeeps thats cheating :P | 14:31 |
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| wazd_n800 | jezus christ, why copy/paste sould be so compplicated( | 14:38 |
| RST38h | To force you into creating original content? =) | 14:39 |
| wazd_n800 | why not just open archive, copy lib, open folder and paste it | 14:39 |
| wazd_n800 | why should I type all that alchemy stuff into the console( | 14:40 |
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| RST38h | That is the power of Linux! | 14:43 |
| wazd_n800 | pidgin still doeesn't work, even reinstalled one and I have 100 mb of junk somewhere on the device( | 14:43 |
| RST38h | All this typing replaces sexual life to some people, you know... | 14:43 |
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| RST38h | Ok, let us start with making console easy. Do you have SSH installed on the tablet already? | 14:44 |
| wazd_n800 | RST38h, my desktop is down right now so I have to wait untill it will fix itself) | 14:45 |
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| RST38h | Oh | 14:47 |
| Stskeeps | 'lo jeremiah_ | 14:47 |
| RST38h | wazd: Anyways, connecting via ssh from the desktop makes console stuff much easier | 14:47 |
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| suihkulokki | Stskeeps: thanks. | 14:47 |
| RST38h | wazd: As to the 100MB of trash, you unpacked that tar.gz, didn't you? | 14:47 |
| Stskeeps | suihkulokki: np - i hope it comes to good use | 14:48 |
| jeremiah_ | Hello keeps! | 14:48 |
| jeremiah_ | Is that a bot you have that says 'lo? | 14:48 |
| jeremiah_ | Or do you always just say hello? :-) | 14:49 |
| RST38h | ehlo jeremiah | 14:49 |
| Stskeeps | jeremiah_: nop, i'm just slightly weird | 14:49 |
| Stskeeps | :P | 14:49 |
| jeremiah_ | helo RST38h! | 14:49 |
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| jeremiah_ | Stskeeps: Its not weird, is courteous. :) | 14:49 |
| wazd_n800 | RST38h, yep | 14:49 |
| RST38h | wazd: I am downloading it at the moment, once I do, will tell you what to type to wipe this stuff clean | 14:49 |
| jeremiah_ | BRB, making some tea. | 14:49 |
| wazd_n800 | RST38h, thanks a lot! | 14:50 |
| RST38h | wazd: you will also have to go to app manager and uninstall pidgin after you delete crap | 14:50 |
| RST38h | wazd: this will clean up whatever installation you had before | 14:51 |
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| wazd_n800 | ok, looks like my desktop is totally fraked up | 14:52 |
| Stskeeps | time to buy a usb hub and replace it with your n800 ;) | 14:53 |
| RST38h | Sts: Not until Nokia fixes lagging kbd input | 14:53 |
| Stskeeps | RST38h: have we discovered what it is yet? | 14:53 |
| Stskeeps | i know HIM acts up, but rest? | 14:53 |
| RST38h | Sts: We have so far discovered that Nokia isn't going to fix it | 14:53 |
| wazd_n800 | Stskeeps, not untill PS on ARM) | 14:54 |
| Stskeeps | RST38h: no excuse for not trying ourselves | 14:54 |
| Stskeeps | :P | 14:54 |
| suihkulokki | Stskeeps: well there was only one patch not seen before | 14:55 |
| RST38h | Oh fucking shit... Never trust n8xx | 14:55 |
| mgedmin | never trust nokia to build an alarm clock | 14:56 |
| mgedmin | I overslept this morning's meeting because the nokia phone didn't ring | 14:56 |
| Stskeeps | suihkulokki: k - well, it seems to run just fine so far | 14:56 |
| RST38h | Sts: Are we supposed to have /usr/include on tablets? | 14:56 |
| mgedmin | and the n810's alarm pays very close attention to "system sounds: off" or something daft like that | 14:56 |
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| RST38h | wazd; Ready? | 14:57 |
| wazd_n800 | RST38h, yep | 14:57 |
| Stskeeps | suihkulokki: admittedly i don't know if he did it cleanly (through debian/patches) or in-code | 14:58 |
| wazd_n800 | btw, does anybody know any reliable network storage disks? | 14:59 |
| wazd_n800 | I mean "very" reliable) | 14:59 |
| jeremiah_ | Oh, in that case, no. | 14:59 |
| jeremiah_ | "very reliable" is hard to find in computing. | 15:00 |
| wazd_n800 | I need something to store important files there | 15:00 |
| RST38h | wazd: rm -rf /usr/share/sounds/purple /usr/share/purple /usr/share/pixmaps/pidgin /usr/share/applications/pidgin.desktop /usr/lib/purple-2 /usr/lib/pidgin /usr/lib/gnt /usr/lib/finch /usr/lib/libgnt* /usr/lib/libpurple* /usr/include /usr/bin/finch /usr/bin/purple-* /usr/bin/pidgin /etc/gconf/schemas/purple.schemas | 15:00 |
| RST38h | wazd: this should all be done with root privileges | 15:01 |
| Stskeeps | wazd_n800: i would use a local raid and back up online or something | 15:01 |
| RST38h | jeremiah: just have to know where to look | 15:01 |
| jeremiah_ | RST38h: Where do you suggest? | 15:02 |
| lizardo | X-Fade: ok, I think the problem is something else... because the package seems to be waiting forever to be selected for building (just as before), even with the builders apparently idle (the package was uploaded at 11:42 AM UTC | 15:02 |
| RST38h | jeremiah/Sts/mgedmin: Please, help us a little bit here: does the tablet have /usr/lib/pkgconfig /usr/share/alocal /usr/share/man directories? | 15:02 |
| RST38h | jeremiah: most aerospace stuff is dumb but extremely reliable | 15:02 |
| jeremiah_ | RST38h: I wil check. | 15:02 |
| qwerty12_N800 | hey jeremiah_ | 15:03 |
| jeremiah_ | RST38h: Ah, true I suppose. | 15:03 |
| RST38h | jeremiah: FreeBSD based servers are also somewhat dumb but stable like a rock | 15:03 |
| jeremiah_ | Hey qwerty12_N800! | 15:03 |
| jeremiah_ | RST38h: But they have to rely on the underlying hardware. | 15:03 |
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| RST38h | jeremiahL It is just the consumer stuff that is unreliable | 15:03 |
| jeremiah_ | So no more reliable than anything else. | 15:03 |
| RST38h | jeremiah; Oh you can build yourself reliable hardware, all it takes is 1-2 hours of googling | 15:03 |
| jeremiah_ | If you want reliable, you need to double it up, whatever it is. | 15:04 |
| RST38h | then the element responsible for fail over mechanism breaks | 15:04 |
| jeremiah_ | nah, use a distributed replicated block device and you have instant clustering. | 15:05 |
| lcuk | multiple systems running multiple platofrms | 15:05 |
| lcuk | hardcore nasa style redundency | 15:06 |
| jeremiah_ | trivial. drbd and kvm | 15:06 |
| jeremiah_ | :P | 15:06 |
| lcuk | heh, im thinking arm and x86 ;) | 15:06 |
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| jeremiah_ | I'm just spouting gibberish so, ignore me. :) | 15:07 |
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| mgedmin | RST38h: n810 with latest os2008: no /usr/share/alocal; the other two exist | 15:08 |
| mgedmin | RST38h: but there is /usr/share/aclocal | 15:09 |
| liri | after retrieving some canola updates, canola didn't start which I solved by copying a plugins file from the user's directory to /usr/share... now canola2 starts but it hangs when playing a file. this is n810 | 15:09 |
| liri | any ideas? | 15:09 |
| RST38h | mgedmin: ok o all three exist? | 15:10 |
| jeremiah_ | I get no /usr/share/alocal on my tablet | 15:10 |
| jeremiah_ | n810 with latest OS | 15:10 |
| RST38h | Ok, so they are saved from destruction | 15:10 |
| RST38h | thanks | 15:10 |
| RST38h | wazd: Still here? | 15:10 |
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| RST38h | wazd: rm -rf /usr/share/man/man1/finch.1 /usr/share/man/man1/pidgin.1 /usr/share/aclocal/purple.m4 /usr/lib/pkgconfig/finch.pc /usr/lib/pkgconfig/gnt.pc /usr/lib/pkgconfig/pidgin.pc /usr/lib/pkgconfig/purple.pc | 15:12 |
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| RST38h | wazd: This will clean your tablet up, although pidgin messages will still stay /usr/share/locale - they are too numeroud | 15:13 |
| RST38h | s | 15:13 |
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| RST38h | To clean locale: find /usr/share/locale -name pidgin.mo -print | xargs -n 1 rm -f | 15:17 |
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| RST38h | You won't believe it is not april 1st: http://www.theregister.co.uk/2009/04/06/symbian_strategy_boutique/ | 15:23 |
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| Stskeeps | RST38h: .. | 15:24 |
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| jeremiah_ | I kinda like the new symbian logo. :) | 15:25 |
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| qwerty12 | *That's* a logo? | 15:26 |
| Stskeeps | Art: anyone can do it. | 15:27 |
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| RST38h | Was that MS Paint or did they use more advanced tools? | 15:28 |
| aquatix | i think they used a crayon | 15:29 |
| Stskeeps | they used the dead remains of a possum covered in paint | 15:30 |
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| RST38h | They used stylus from a discarded UIQ phone. | 15:32 |
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| Stskeeps | RST38h: would a developer environment where you simply chroot into the target, full user level emulation be good? | 15:34 |
| Stskeeps | without tricks | 15:34 |
| Stskeeps | (for cross-compilation) | 15:34 |
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| RST38h | Sts: I have no idea, isn't it what SB2 does? | 15:55 |
| * RST38h does not really need to chroot to any special environments, a crosscompiling toolchain is ok with him | 15:56 | |
| Stskeeps | RST38h: yeah, - but it adds in a lot of stuff as well. this solution is as simple as installing qemu and adding a binfmt, and just chrooting, heh | 15:56 |
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| Stskeeps | i mean, i'm currently compiling Qt using it | 15:57 |
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| * Stskeeps is amazed. | 15:58 | |
| Stskeeps | (special qemu btw, that is patched to fix the bugs) | 15:58 |
| RST38h | SB2 solution where you prepend all cross commmands with sb2 is ok with me | 15:59 |
| RST38h | Yours sounds like SB2 solution really | 15:59 |
| Stskeeps | mm | 16:00 |
| Stskeeps | yeah, similar goals | 16:00 |
| RST38h | oh btw once you chroot, will your external files still be available? | 16:00 |
| Stskeeps | i guess you can do that with mount --bind | 16:01 |
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| lizardo | X-Fade: the package is still there, waiting to be built ... any ideas ? | 16:03 |
| lizardo | X-Fade: this is the first time I ever saw this behavior when uploading to fremantle extras-devel | 16:04 |
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| X-Fade | lizardo: maemo-python-env_1.1.0.orig.tar.gz: No such file or directory | 16:05 |
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| lizardo | X-Fade: the 1.1.0-4 version does not contains a .orig.tar.gz, only the plain .tar.gz + .dsc ... | 16:06 |
| X-Fade | lizardo: check your .dsc | 16:06 |
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| lizardo | X-Fade: dput just accepted it without errors... should I try using the extras-assistant ? | 16:06 |
| X-Fade | lizardo: 94330d0e4c89030f87ce8f6289384aba 133 maemo-python-env_1.1.0.orig.tar.gz | 16:06 |
| lizardo | X-Fade: .... | 16:06 |
| lizardo | X-Fade: you are right :( | 16:07 |
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| lizardo | X-Fade: dammit, I cleaned up everything and just did the buildpackage -S ... will try again , sorry for bothering you :( | 16:08 |
| X-Fade | lizardo: Heh, no problem :) | 16:08 |
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| lizardo | X-Fade: BTW, is the autobuilder's NEW queue available through HTTP ? https://garage.maemo.org/builder/fremantle/ only lists those packages the already started building (it seems) | 16:14 |
| X-Fade | lizardo: https://garage.maemo.org/extras-assistant/index.php | 16:15 |
| lizardo | X-Fade: I mean, access the files themselves , not just the list? | 16:17 |
| lizardo | X-Fade: anyway, now the build passed just fine :) it still looks strange why the dsc got wrong on the previous try, without dput complaining at all... | 16:19 |
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| Jaffa | X-Fade: Seen http://maemo.org/profile/list/ (top 3 entries)? | 16:28 |
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| lizardo | those damm ghosts... | 16:30 |
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| X-Fade | Jaffa: Looking at it.. | 16:32 |
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| GAN800 | Defeated by ghost clones! | 16:40 |
| Stskeeps | hehe | 16:41 |
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| thux | who you gonna call, ghostbusters | 16:42 |
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| lizardo | X-Fade: and just in case it was not reported yet, I get the following PHP error when logging out from maemo.org: Fatal error: Class '__org_openpsa_products_product_group_dba' not found in /mnt/netapp/pear/midcom/lib/org/openpsa/products/product/group.php on line 13 | 16:43 |
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| X-Fade | lizardo: Hmm not good, will check. | 16:45 |
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| lizardo | X-Fade: and just one more: sometimes I see this one when editing my profile on maemo.org: Notice: Undefined variable: guid in /mnt/netapp/pear/midcom/lib/midcom/baseclasses/database/parameter.php on line 46 | 16:51 |
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| RST38h | Sts: I think it is way better to at least let the developer have his original file system | 16:57 |
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| RST38h | Sts: No sandboxes disconnected from the main filesystem | 16:57 |
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| GAN800 | Later, folks. | 17:00 |
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| timelE61i | hello world | 18:40 |
| Stskeeps | hello timeles | 18:40 |
| Stskeeps | s | 18:40 |
| timelE61i | Anyone here have time for two quick reboots? | 18:40 |
| timelE61i | 1. Switch to es-ES (reboot) | 18:40 |
| timelE61i | 2. Tell me when you reach this step :) | 18:41 |
| lardman | ~lart MEX file debugging | 18:41 |
| * infobot grabs a large, mis-shapened log, with squirrels, and beats MEX file debugging until only the nuts remain ... which the squirrels run off with | 18:41 | |
| Stskeeps | timelE61i: will it trash my tablet? :P | 18:41 |
| lardman | lcuk: make you feel more at home, me ranting about MATLAB? | 18:41 |
| qwerty12 | It will mine: localepurge is in effect on my N800 :P | 18:41 |
| * Stskeeps watches qt build and build | 18:42 | |
| lcuk | heh lardman :D sounds good - hows your monday goin | 18:43 |
| timelE61i | sts: unless you do something stupid, no | 18:43 |
| Stskeeps | timelE61i: and then? | 18:43 |
| timelE61i | Open reloj | 18:43 |
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| lcuk | apart from mex stuff ;) | 18:43 |
| lardman | lcuk: not too bad | 18:43 |
| Stskeeps | reloj? :P | 18:43 |
| timelE61i | It's white and looks like a clock :) | 18:43 |
| Stskeeps | and? :P | 18:44 |
| lcuk | ive got liqbase on a nice shiney git server with a pretty management tool behind it (H) | 18:44 |
| timelE61i | hold on :) | 18:44 |
| timelE61i | App menu, herramientas, ajustes de fecha y hora... | 18:45 |
| * lardman gives himself a small kick for a school-boy coding error | 18:45 | |
| Stskeeps | mm? | 18:45 |
| timelE61i | Seleccionar ciudad de origen | 18:45 |
| lcuk | timelE61i, do you understand this, or have you got quim nearby to translate for you :D | 18:45 |
| timelE61i | Lcuk: yo hablo espanol tambien | 18:46 |
| qwerty12 | lol | 18:46 |
| Stskeeps | timelE61i: and then? | 18:46 |
| lardman | hay un playa por aqui? | 18:46 |
| lcuk | lardman, i cured a major stinker of a stupid error last week that had been in place since 2006! (dayjob) | 18:46 |
| timelE61i | Ciudad del vaticano.... | 18:46 |
| timelE61i | Aceptar | 18:46 |
| timelE61i | Aceptar | 18:46 |
| lcuk | timelE61i, no-io i dont-io speak-io the language-io | 18:46 |
| timelE61i | full screen | 18:46 |
| timelE61i | App menu, herramientas, ajustes de fecha y hora... | 18:47 |
| lardman | timelE61i: his popeliness appears as it crashes? | 18:47 |
| Stskeeps | timelE61i: uh, nice dialog box | 18:47 |
| timelE61i | close | 18:47 |
| Stskeeps | timelE61i: the dialog box for fecha y hora is going absolutely mental | 18:47 |
| timelE61i | a guy here complained it wasn't performant | 18:48 |
| timelE61i | Too slow :) | 18:48 |
| qwerty12 | So would I if I was called a hor :) | 18:48 |
| Stskeeps | .. i think it's flashing thailand at me | 18:48 |
| Stskeeps | timelE61i: bascially the dialog box is changing size at the wrapping of l Vatican | 18:48 |
| Stskeeps | forth and back | 18:48 |
| Stskeeps | repeatedly | 18:49 |
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| timelE61i | you're certain it's wrapping? | 18:49 |
| timelE61i | Because you aren't allowed to wrap "del" at de- | 18:49 |
| timelE61i | You could split to de/el, if you spoke spanish | 18:50 |
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| Stskeeps | timelE61i: well, it doesn't exactly succed in wrapping | 18:50 |
| timelE61i | But it's unlikely this thing actually speaks it | 18:50 |
| Stskeeps | the dialog is expanding and compressing constantly | 18:50 |
| timelE61i | Sts: certainly not :) | 18:50 |
| timelE61i | As a coworker said, it's more like 1fps, which isn't a good constant :) | 18:50 |
| Stskeeps | hehe | 18:51 |
| Stskeeps | can i switch back now? :P | 18:51 |
| timelE61i | We generally have targets of better than 10fps :) | 18:51 |
| timelE61i | Yeah, we're done | 18:51 |
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| lcuk | timelE61i, if oyu make it SO quick the flashing starts to be a problem that you need to include generic strobe warnings on the device ;) | 19:13 |
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| StsN800 | mm, nothing like a thick curry sauce | 19:24 |
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| lcuk | ~lart git | 21:29 |
| * infobot puts on some milking gloves. "All right, now, git, this won't hurt a bit...." | 21:29 | |
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| thux | is infobot supybot? | 21:33 |
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| sjgadsby | Why does the "Log in" link on http://www.maemo.org/ lead to Bugzilla? | 21:40 |
| Stskeeps | hint to file a bug on it? ;) | 21:40 |
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| sjgadsby | That's pretty much what I'm thinking. | 21:41 |
| sjgadsby | I suppose I'll take the hint. | 21:41 |
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| * sjgadsby blames GAN800. | 21:49 | |
| GAN800 | wut? | 21:50 |
| sjgadsby | https://bugs.maemo.org/show_bug.cgi?id=4253 | 21:50 |
| GAN800 | Probably more productive to blame X-Fade. :P | 21:51 |
| sjgadsby | Yes, but you're here. | 21:51 |
| GAN800 | Lies | 21:51 |
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| RST38h | sjgadsby: doesn't it make perfect sense? | 22:00 |
| bbns | hi all. I have noticed the N810 coming with ambient light sensors and I noticed that it has IR sensor to check proximity. | 22:00 |
| bbns | Is therer anyway to access the proximity? (I have successfully access the ambient light sensor but it only gives on lux value). | 22:00 |
| Stskeeps | hm, didn't know there was a IR sensor | 22:01 |
| RST38h | n810 has no ir sensor | 22:01 |
| lcuk | bbns, what makes you think there is one? | 22:01 |
| GeneralAntilles | RST38h, webcam. :D | 22:01 |
| ShadowJK | I wonder if hte webcam picks up IR :) | 22:01 |
| * GeneralAntilles contemplates hauling a G5 up 3 flights of stairs with some distaste. | 22:02 | |
| bbns | lcuk, i checked the spec from the manufacture. | 22:02 |
| lcuk | this spec is available where? | 22:02 |
| bbns | let me check | 22:02 |
| lcuk | it can't be the webcam, he said sensor - it would actually have to sense things ;) :P | 22:03 |
| RST38h | Gen: if you manage to access it through all the api garbage =) | 22:03 |
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| bbns | lcuk, tsl2563 dataseet: http://news.thomasnet.com/pdf/478523.pdf | 22:03 |
| GeneralAntilles | lcuk, sure has no trouble sensing your ugly face. :P | 22:04 |
| bbns | lcuk, it looks like it comes with dual dide. one is ambient light sensor, one is IR. | 22:04 |
| lcuk | well thats where its gone wrong, im not ugly IRL :D | 22:04 |
| ShadowJK | hey, camera sees the IR transmitter of my phone :-) | 22:04 |
| GeneralAntilles | lcuk, beauty is in the eye of the beholder, and the camera never lies. :D | 22:04 |
| RST38h | cheap cell phone cameras will generally see near ir | 22:05 |
| bbns | lcuk, i suspect the IR one actually enables the AF or aperture adjustment for inward camera. | 22:05 |
| lcuk | i wasnt aware the camera had either | 22:05 |
| lcuk | like zoom: move device closer | 22:05 |
| ShadowJK | RST38h, it'd be more fun if they completely left out the IR filter so that you could have nightvision :-) | 22:06 |
| lcuk | illumination: turn the light on | 22:06 |
| lcuk | flash: open your mac | 22:06 |
| Stskeeps | ShadowJK: oh that'd be a neat app :P | 22:06 |
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| crashanddie | IR isn't exactly night vision | 22:07 |
| crashanddie | allows to see through opaque things though | 22:07 |
| ShadowJK | Yeah add a IR powerled and it becomes see in the dark | 22:07 |
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| crashanddie | Stskeeps, is there git on mer? | 22:12 |
| Stskeeps | most likely? :P | 22:12 |
| crashanddie | do I need to install specific repos? Like maybe the maemo ones? | 22:12 |
| Stskeeps | no, just apt-get install git-core | 22:13 |
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| crashanddie | oh wow, there's the ubuntu ports and everything? | 22:13 |
| GeneralAntilles | It is Ubuntu | 22:14 |
| crashanddie | ok, fair enough :) | 22:14 |
| crashanddie | hi GA o/ | 22:14 |
| crashanddie | how's it going buddy? | 22:14 |
| GeneralAntilles | My computers are falling apart | 22:15 |
| GeneralAntilles | but otherwise great | 22:15 |
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| crashanddie | told you HP wasn't a good buy | 22:16 |
| GeneralAntilles | HP? | 22:16 |
| crashanddie | or Packard Bell | 22:16 |
| crashanddie | dunno what shite you bought, dawg | 22:16 |
| GeneralAntilles | Leaking G5. :( | 22:16 |
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| crashanddie | oh Mac? | 22:16 |
| GeneralAntilles | lol | 22:16 |
| crashanddie | what the fuck did you do to the poor thing | 22:16 |
| GeneralAntilles | Nothing | 22:17 |
| crashanddie | btw, is a G5 any good for today's use? | 22:17 |
| GeneralAntilles | Apparently it's a common issue with the LCS G5s. | 22:17 |
| GeneralAntilles | Um, if you already own one. | 22:17 |
| crashanddie | nope | 22:17 |
| GeneralAntilles | I wouldn't buy one to have one, though. | 22:17 |
| GeneralAntilles | You can do cheaper and better if you just need PPC | 22:17 |
| GeneralAntilles | There's a bit of nostalgia inflation on the last gen PPC Macs. | 22:18 |
| RST38h | ShadowJK: I do suspect they completley left out the ir filter :) | 22:19 |
| ShadowJK | nah it looks kinda faint actually | 22:20 |
| RST38h | ShadowJK: it is just that the sensor is rather crappy and its ir sensitivity is kinda low | 22:20 |
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| crashanddie | lol | 22:20 |
| crashanddie | "Your SSH key has been uploaded. It may take a moment or two before becoming active" | 22:21 |
| crashanddie | define:duration of moment | 22:21 |
| crashanddie | how long is two moments? | 22:21 |
| sjgadsby | Are these metric or imperial moments? | 22:22 |
| crashanddie | dunno, didn't say | 22:22 |
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| crashanddie | ah, Wikipedia defines everything | 22:24 |
| crashanddie | A moment is a medieval unit of time equal to 1.5 minutes or 1/40 of an hour | 22:24 |
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| crashanddie | or 5/114 of a second | 22:25 |
| crashanddie | that's the imperial one I gather, stupid fractions | 22:25 |
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| lcuk | thats not imperial, thats for 3 mile island schoolkids to count with their fingers | 22:27 |
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| * sjgadsby lives 100 miles from Three Mile Island. | 22:29 | |
| lcuk | sjgadsby, wouldnt even get warm near you | 22:30 |
| ||cw | sure it's not 103 miles? | 22:30 |
| lcuk | lol | 22:31 |
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| sjgadsby | ||cw: Actually, according to Google Maps, that is the driving distance. | 22:31 |
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| VDVsx | wooow, maemo.org is a little bit f%&k up right now :P | 22:33 |
| lcuk | ch ch ch ch changes | 22:34 |
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| lcuk | \o hi wazd | 22:35 |
| wazd | hello again) | 22:35 |
| lcuk | hmm ive got a statusbar clock thing from extras, it doesnt refresh the time very often | 22:35 |
| crashanddie | http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9tBHOuHolYw | 22:36 |
| lcuk | they kicked the server | 22:36 |
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| crashanddie | lcuk, the fact my public key is not getting updated would corroborate the fact they're out of synch | 22:37 |
| lcuk | try it now, its found my update | 22:37 |
| Stskeeps | 'lo wazd | 22:37 |
| crashanddie | lcuk, mer lost wifi xD | 22:37 |
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| wazd | fresh vista runs like demon | 22:52 |
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| GeneralAntilles | Warranty exception. Hell yes! | 22:54 |
| sjgadsby | Apple's going to fix your G5? | 22:54 |
| GeneralAntilles | Yeah | 22:55 |
| sjgadsby | Woo! | 22:55 |
| GeneralAntilles | Tried to talk them up to a replacement machine, but a repair on a 4-year-old computer works for me. | 22:55 |
| sjgadsby | Ha! But if they have to send a dual quad core instead, you won't complain. | 22:55 |
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| LinuxCode | sjgadsby, they will replace one of their own office machines first with a new one and slaughter it for spares | 22:56 |
| LinuxCode | ;-p | 22:56 |
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| GeneralAntilles | sjgadsby, we'll see what happens. Other users have had Apple offer them replacement machines after they've had trouble getting the parts. | 22:57 |
| sjgadsby | GeneralAntilles: Yep, I've heard the same thing from others. | 22:57 |
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| GeneralAntilles | I pushed the "What if it leaks again and I electrocute myself?" line to no success. | 22:58 |
| sjgadsby | Nice one! | 22:58 |
| LinuxCode | lol | 22:58 |
| GeneralAntilles | That coolant shorting that big 750 watt PSU to that giant metal case would be less than enjoyable. | 22:58 |
| LinuxCode | GeneralAntilles, was the respinse, then dont put your hands in there ? | 22:58 |
| LinuxCode | -i+o | 22:59 |
| GeneralAntilles | He gave me his direct line if I had any issues with the repair. ;) | 22:59 |
| GeneralAntilles | Sort of side stepped it. | 22:59 |
| LinuxCode | cool | 22:59 |
| LinuxCode | how much did you have to battle with them until they agreed to repair ? | 22:59 |
| GeneralAntilles | Well, I started with a call to Apple last week that didn't go past L1 | 23:00 |
| LinuxCode | Is US law the same like UK law ? here if something is high value, you can expect a certain reasonable life-time | 23:00 |
| GeneralAntilles | Took it to the Genius bar in Tampa later that week and had a long (and fruitless) discussion with one of the AM1s | 23:00 |
| LinuxCode | AM1 ? | 23:00 |
| GeneralAntilles | Er, Senior Assistant Manager. ;) | 23:01 |
| LinuxCode | kk | 23:01 |
| GeneralAntilles | (which I didn't realize at the time, thought she was the store manager) | 23:01 |
| LinuxCode | hehe | 23:01 |
| GeneralAntilles | I managed to talk them into giving me a case number so Apple didn't just refer me right back to a service center | 23:01 |
| LinuxCode | aka time wasted as not speaking to person with authority ? | 23:01 |
| LinuxCode | ahh cool | 23:01 |
| GeneralAntilles | Well, I dunno how much power is delegated to the assistant managers there | 23:01 |
| LinuxCode | and then what did you do next ? | 23:02 |
| GeneralAntilles | but she's telling me that she doesn't have any options to help me | 23:02 |
| GeneralAntilles | and I'm not sure I buy that coming from an AM1. ;) | 23:02 |
| GeneralAntilles | Called Apple today | 23:02 |
| GeneralAntilles | gave my case number to L1 | 23:02 |
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| GeneralAntilles | he put me on hold a bit and transfered me right over to the customer relations guy | 23:02 |
| LinuxCode | hehe cool | 23:03 |
| LinuxCode | and he offered ? | 23:03 |
| GeneralAntilles | told him my story, he put me on hold for a bit longer, did some tap dancing about how far out of warranty and how old my machine was then offered me a warranty exception. | 23:03 |
| LinuxCode | interesting | 23:03 |
| LinuxCode | so is US law like UK law in that respect ? | 23:04 |
| GeneralAntilles | No, not really | 23:04 |
| LinuxCode | if they give in like that, sounds dodgy | 23:04 |
| GeneralAntilles | The EU has stronger consumer protection laws as far as repairs go. | 23:04 |
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| LinuxCode | hehe | 23:04 |
| LinuxCode | EU likes consumers yes | 23:04 |
| GeneralAntilles | Which you end up paying for anyway. :P | 23:04 |
| LinuxCode | sadly my fellow Citizens dont seem to realize that much | 23:04 |
| sjgadsby | It's likely a known issue internally, so they're willing to do something if you show a bit of persistence. | 23:05 |
| LinuxCode | sjgadsby, thats what Im thinking too | 23:05 |
| GeneralAntilles | Well, some cases have had to sign NDAs | 23:05 |
| GeneralAntilles | Some I'm quite sure they know it's a problem. | 23:05 |
| GeneralAntilles | Thank god for xlr8yourmac.com, though. | 23:05 |
| GeneralAntilles | Gave me a lot of ammo to use | 23:06 |
| LinuxCode | very interesting | 23:06 |
| * LinuxCode needs to keep that in mind | 23:06 | |
| LinuxCode | I shall inform my brother | 23:06 |
| LinuxCode | he is the Mac person | 23:06 |
| LinuxCode | bastard with his dual quad core lol | 23:06 |
| GeneralAntilles | lol | 23:06 |
| * GeneralAntilles crosses his fingers. | 23:06 | |
| LinuxCode | how many cores did your box have ? | 23:07 |
| * sjgadsby isn't going to mention the dual quad core he has on the way. | 23:07 | |
| GeneralAntilles | I'll pay the difference to an octocore Nehalem if they offer me something. | 23:07 |
| GeneralAntilles | It's pre multi-core | 23:07 |
| LinuxCode | hehe k | 23:07 |
| GeneralAntilles | Dual 2.5GHz G5 | 23:07 |
| LinuxCode | I hope you get a quad then | 23:07 |
| LinuxCode | ;-p | 23:07 |
| GeneralAntilles | Hehe | 23:07 |
| GeneralAntilles | It's be great if I can get a Mac Pro | 23:07 |
| LinuxCode | I dont suspect you will though, tbh | 23:07 |
| GeneralAntilles | Save me the $3000 upgrade cost for another 4 or 5 years. | 23:07 |
| GeneralAntilles | We'll see | 23:08 |
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| GeneralAntilles | I bet they've stocked up on parts a bit. | 23:08 |
| LinuxCode | keep us informed | 23:08 |
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| GeneralAntilles | Assuming they don't NDA my ass. :D | 23:08 |
| LinuxCode | Im very intruiged to here what will happen | 23:08 |
| LinuxCode | lol | 23:08 |
| LinuxCode | I dont know you, you dont know me | 23:08 |
| LinuxCode | ;-x | 23:08 |
| GeneralAntilles | Hehe, my online identity is awfully easy to track. | 23:08 |
| LinuxCode | you can always email me and tell em you are installing fedora on a quad or dual core machine | 23:09 |
| LinuxCode | lol | 23:09 |
| GeneralAntilles | Ha | 23:09 |
| LinuxCode | ;-p | 23:09 |
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| * LinuxCode will know then | 23:09 | |
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| * LinuxCode goes back to work | 23:10 | |
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| RST38h | How do I return stuck FF session to life? | 23:20 |
| RST38h | Is there some Ctrl-Break key sequence? =) | 23:20 |
| qwerty12_N800 | shock baton | 23:20 |
| RST38h | A'ok...applying shock baton | 23:21 |
| Stskeeps | shock bacon? | 23:21 |
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| RST38h | Hehe, Aeroflot uses Google Analytics to collect website stats | 23:34 |
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| LinuxCode | many people/compnaies do | 23:35 |
| LinuxCode | in fact, its become a bit of a security issue now | 23:35 |
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| RST38h | you bet... | 23:40 |
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| jeremiah_ | shock bacon, aeroflot, I have missed alot to day. | 23:45 |
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| GeneralAntilles | Idle bettar | 23:45 |
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| GeneralAntilles | Ooh Rev.C Beagle is here | 23:45 |
| zakkm | GeneralAntilles: Excited for Snow Leopard? | 23:46 |
| GeneralAntilles | zakkm, the likelihood is that it wont run on my G5, so, no. | 23:47 |
| zakkm | hah | 23:47 |
| zakkm | running on a nice tweaked overclocked osx x86 myself. | 23:47 |
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| jeremiah_ | x86 rules | 23:49 |
| jeremiah_ | Although I would kinda like to have a Cell cluster to play with. | 23:50 |
| zakkm | jeremiah_: you use osx x86 too? | 23:50 |
| Stskeeps | i wouldn't mind a sheevaplug | 23:50 |
| jeremiah_ | zakkm: Dual boot debian and leopard. | 23:50 |
| GeneralAntilles | jeremiah_, what you mean is x86 sucks. ;) | 23:50 |
| jeremiah_ | On a mac mini. | 23:50 |
| zakkm | on a non-apple machine? | 23:50 |
| zakkm | oh | 23:50 |
| zakkm | dont like macports? | 23:50 |
| jeremiah_ | Stskeeps: Me too - they look fun. | 23:50 |
| jeremiah_ | zakkm: No, it is always out of date and fink is not apt | 23:51 |
| jeremiah_ | But I think it is great that Mac ports exists | 23:51 |
| jeremiah_ | And it is great work, it is just that I am spoiled by debian | 23:51 |
| GeneralAntilles | Fink is Fink. Fink is not MacPorts. | 23:51 |
| zakkm | heh | 23:51 |
| zakkm | its a alternate though | 23:52 |
| jeremiah_ | Yeah, that is why I say fink is not apt and Mac ports is out of date. :) | 23:52 |
| GeneralAntilles | Ah, OK. :P | 23:52 |
| jeremiah_ | fink is apt ported to OS X. Mac ports is BSD ports ported to OS X. | 23:52 |
| GeneralAntilles | I've found them both to be out of date. | 23:52 |
| jeremiah_ | Yeah, me too. | 23:52 |
| zakkm | i didnt think it was that bad | 23:52 |
| zakkm | i dont have x11 so i cant try it out | 23:52 |
| jeremiah_ | No, I shouldn't critize. | 23:52 |
| zakkm | its like 3gb :( | 23:52 |
| jeremiah_ | zakkm: Don't have X11? | 23:53 |
| zakkm | no | 23:53 |
| jeremiah_ | It is free from Apple | 23:53 |
| zakkm | i know | 23:53 |
| jeremiah_ | oh. | 23:53 |
| zakkm | but its a 3gb download, thats like 24 hours for my pc.. of full bandwidth | 23:53 |
| zakkm | which i thought isnt worth it ;p | 23:53 |
| jeremiah_ | oh, that sucks. | 23:53 |
| Stskeeps | 3g for X11? | 23:53 |
| jeremiah_ | I totally understand. | 23:53 |
| Stskeeps | jesus | 23:53 |
| jeremiah_ | But that does seem a little large for X11 | 23:53 |
| zakkm | it has other stuf too | 23:53 |
| GeneralAntilles | 3GB for XCode | 23:53 |
| GeneralAntilles | x11 is, like, 80MB | 23:53 |
| zakkm | oh | 23:53 |
| zakkm | xcode thats it | 23:53 |
| zakkm | sorry | 23:53 |
| jeremiah_ | Yeah, must be 3G for Xcode | 23:54 |
| zakkm | i think i have x11 then, cause darwine works | 23:54 |
| jeremiah_ | XCode is pretty amazing though. | 23:54 |
| zakkm | wait yeah i got x11 | 23:54 |
| jeremiah_ | If I had to use an IDE, I would use that. | 23:54 |
| zakkm | 168 kb :) | 23:54 |
| zakkm | heh | 23:54 |
| zakkm | I hate genie effect, it can be so jerky sometimes. | 23:55 |
| zakkm | did you guys enable QuartzGL/Quartz 2D Extreme? | 23:55 |
| jeremiah_ | GeneralAntilles: I was kind of disappointed by the meeting today. | 23:55 |
| zakkm | oh yeah how'd the meeting go | 23:56 |
| GeneralAntilles | jeremiah_, don't blame me | 23:56 |
| zakkm | i had school ;p | 23:56 |
| jeremiah_ | GeneralAntilles: Okay, I won't. :) | 23:56 |
| GeneralAntilles | You can officially blame all of your problems on the new sucker^W chair, Jaffa. ;) | 23:56 |
| zakkm | what happened? whaat was discussed? | 23:56 |
| jeremiah_ | zakkm: I didn't enjoy it, let put it that way. | 23:56 |
| GeneralAntilles | jeremiah_, I was driving while the meeting was happening, so. ;) | 23:56 |
| zakkm | what was the point of the meeting? like what changed? | 23:57 |
| * GeneralAntilles contemplates putting 5 drives in his stand-in G5 but decides to browse /. instead. | 23:57 | |
| GeneralAntilles | zakkm, it's a sprint review | 23:57 |
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| zakkm | for maemo or mer? | 23:58 |
| GeneralAntilles | They're monthly | 23:58 |
| jeremiah_ | zakkm: Well, it was the first meeting with the new council and it was a sprint review, like GA says | 23:58 |
| GeneralAntilles | maemo.org | 23:58 |
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| GeneralAntilles | Sprint reviews are always variable. | 23:58 |
| GeneralAntilles | Sometimes people are engaged and ready to report, sometimes they're not. | 23:58 |
| zakkm | heh so up to a bad start? :P | 23:59 |
| jeremiah_ | I think the paid staff and the council should serve for the same period and at the same time. | 23:59 |
| jeremiah_ | I think it is, umm, questionable, that a new council tries to change horses in mid-stream | 23:59 |
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