IRC log of #maemo for Monday, 2009-04-06

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Macerblah. hope this shit works00:03
Macerzimbra has this header thing.. what a pain :) .. when you print emails from the web client it says Zimbra Collaboration Suite on the top with the sender's email address. which is fine .. but the zimbra part sucks00:04
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Jaffalbt: done00:05
lbtcool - ta00:06
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JaffaDoes anyone else want to respond to - I think GeneralAntilles and I are viewed as biased/corrupted/evil/wrong.00:11
* GeneralAntilles waves around his pitchfork00:12
Mouseytotally! ^_^00:12
Mouseyi mean about the pitchforks00:12
qwerty12_N800Jaffa: you finally admitted it!00:12
StskeepsJaffa: nothing helps but pills for paranoid people.. and tinfoil hats00:13
qwerty12_N800oh, I read that without the "viewed" and assumed sarcasm. Sorry.00:13
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Jaffaqwerty12_N800: Oh, I admit I'm evil/biased and corrupted. But *never* wrong.00:14
GeneralAntillesI'm amazed that some of these things are revelations to people00:15
GeneralAntillesWho the hell else do they think pays for employees?00:15
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GeneralAntillesIt's all out-of-pocket from Jaffa00:16
GeneralAntillesand he uses his evil influence to make them do his bidding.00:17
JaffaDoesn't work on my underlings at work - and I can influence their prospects for payrises, promotion or redundancy. Seems unlikely I could do it over the Internet when the big sticks are only virtual.00:17
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VDVsxwell, I know some guys that with some amount of money, as a incentive, can deal very well with PEBCK, if anyone need please tell me :P00:19
* Jaffa just wants toys :)00:21
* RST38h moos00:21
JaffaAnd the ability to function on less sleep; and more time.00:21
* lcuk gives jaffa an empty box00:21
JaffaIs it big enough to climb inside? Can I paint it blue and pretend it's a TARDIS?00:22
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lcukjaffa, only if you use BIG DOCTOR SCARY EYES! O O00:25
GeneralAntillesSomebody needs to find Jaffa a refrigerator box for the Summit00:25
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lcuksadly enough, i know where to get a sonic screwdriver from00:27
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Proteouswhat about nitro 900:29
* Jaffa has a toy sonic screwdriver (shared with son ;-)). Makes the proper noises and everything.00:30
lbtnight all00:31
lcukJaffa, depending on where you bought it from you might have a real one, don't let your son use it if you want him locked in playpen00:31
VDVsxnight lbt00:31
lcuknight lbt \o00:32
Jaffanight lbt00:32
mavhcdid you get it from a strange man who appeared to be running away from something?00:33
JaffaHe said something like "hold this, I'll come back for it in the future... or the past" and then I heard a vworp vworp noise and he was gone00:33
mavhcah, it's fine then00:36
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Proteousdamn bots00:36
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wazdRST38h: hey00:36
wazdRST38h: just installed fresh aTi00:37
wazdRST38h: there are my mistakes with screen zones(00:37
wazdRST38h: btw, why different calculators have different screen color settings?)00:40
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RST38hwazd: where are the mistakes?00:47
RST38hwazd: And the color settings should all be the same, is there a problem somewhere?00:47
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wazdRST38h: well, Ti85 and Ti 86 looks best for me00:48
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wazdRST38h: 82,83 and 83+ has more red I guess00:49
* RST38h is simply reading the png palette, cutting it down to 16bpp and showing whatever is left00:49
wazdRST38h: and 83+ has 2px stripe on the right, that's my fault00:50
RST38hNot seeing any red00:50
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wazdRST38h: well, i'll post a screen00:50
RST38hyea, I see the stripes... fixed them in a few skins, but I guess the new ones have them again00:50
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wazdRST38h: btw, If i'm in 83 for example, hiting fullscreen, I can't get back to 83 :)00:51
sistoanyone tried the xkcdha app?00:51
sistopretty nice00:51
wazdRST38h: can't return to the calc from selector00:51
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RST38hwazd: it does it sometimes but I still do not know why00:52
RST38hwazd: it's really weird00:52
sistoonly problem I had with this xkcdha app is that if I change focus to another app and come back, becomes a little unstable and I can't close it00:53
RST38hwazd: is it ok if I use your original app icon, without embossed TI?00:55
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wazdRST38h: As you wish :)00:55
RST38hwazd: embossed one looks cuter but resizes worse (especially to 26x26)00:56
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wazdRST38h: you can use simple just for small sizes :)00:57
RST38hwazd: by different colors, did you mean the calc screen colors?00:57
RST38hwazd: yea, that is one way,  but I kinda prefer to generate them all from one source =(00:58
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RST38hwazd: I see what you mean. It is normal: these calcs have different LCD hardware and different contrast controls00:59
sistoabout xkcdha, I was wrong, it didn't crash or anything, there was a home applet which came with it and i got confused00:59
RST38hwazd: click 2nd and then change contrast with UP/DOWN buttons - you can make it anything you want00:59
wazdRST38h: aw. There's no way to make them look like 85/86?)00:59
sistoines app rocks too... i spend hours playing bubble bobble :> so much hapiness XD00:59
wazdRST38h: nope, they still remain to be redish00:59
RST38hwazd: AFAIK, different versions of 85/86 had different screens :)01:00
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RST38hwazd: I am actually adding blue :)01:00
wazdRST38h: I mean, curren 85/86 settings looks great01:00
RST38hwazd: well, damn ti83 BIOS sets those colors as defaults. I will try to tweak them a bit but do not expect much :(01:01
RST38hwazd: Now, what was that problem with sensitive areas being misaligned?01:01
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wazdRST38h: oh, wait a bit, I think I've found the right position of the contrast :)01:03
Macerman i love zimbra sometimes01:03
Macerthere is only 2 things  that are messed up with it01:04
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wazdRST38h: hmmm,I don't have that problem01:04
RST38hwazd: so all buttons match?01:04
wazdRST38h: you mean selector or calc itself?01:05
wazdRST38h: All works fine01:06
sistoMacer: what?01:06
RST38hso the only coding problem is that random shutdown on model switch01:07
Macersisto: ?01:07
neatojones_Does anyone out there watch the NBA?01:07
woglindeneatojones nope01:07
sistoMacer: zimbra == exchange?01:07
woglindedont habe the time01:07
Macerzimbra is a good alternative to exchange though01:08
neatojones_I was just watching score recaps on ESPN.  I quit watching NBA several years back when they all went on strike because "You just can't live off of 1.2 million a year."  Anyway, I saw that the score for a game today was 116 to 140.01:08
neatojones_What the heck?01:08
neatojones_140 points?!?01:08
sistowhy do companies buy exchange? is it much better than zimbra?01:08
neatojones_have they even heard of defense?01:08
Macersisto: because they are complacent with corperate america's idea of what a network should be01:09
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wazdRST38h: and inability to return to the calc01:10
jaem_N810hello folks01:10
wazdRST38h: it never worked for me01:10
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RST38hwazd: I will fix it01:13
wazdRST38h: cool01:14
RST38hwazd: Ok, do I change display offset myself or do you change it? It is currently at 53 at some faceplates, has to be 5401:14
wazdRST38h: well, if you can - feel free01:14
wazdRST38h: It would be easier for you to debug :)01:14
wazdRST38h: I don't know why I've done them anyway :D To see how it will look I guess :)01:15
jaem_N810if I have two cards with the same partitioning, but one has Maemo, and one has Mer, is there an easy way to set up bootmenu to boot either?01:17
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Stskeepsyes, it's in the installation information01:18
Stskeepsit looks at internal vs external slot01:18
jaem_N810they're both external cards...01:18
RST38hwazd: Oh, could you change them yourself? :(01:18
Stskeepsjaem_N810: yeah, it is two different items01:18
wazdRST38h: sure :)01:18
Stskeepsit'll be fine01:18
* RST38h is having GIMP mental incompatibility problems again01:18
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RST38hwazd: Thanks! Sorry to ask but I am really bad with this GIMP thing =(01:19
jaem_N810Stskeeps: okay. What's the difference between the Mer bootmenu, and the one in PB's console-tools?01:19
jaem_N810they seem to act differently01:19
Stskeepsjaem_N810: his is bootmenu regular release, mine is bootmenu svn01:20
Stskeepsand it supports some tricks and has a saner bootmenu configuration01:20
jaem_N810Stskeeps: okay, that makes sense. I couldn't figure out why there were two versions floating around01:21
RST38hwazd: Problem occurs in TI82, TI83, TI83P, TI83SE01:21
Stskeepspb needs to start using bootmenu items and all this wouldn't be a problem :P01:21
RST38hwazd: May also be a vertical position problem with some, the code assumes vertical LCD position at 9601:22
wazdRST38h: I'll just remove darkened zones :)01:23
jaem_N810grr... XChat focusses the Channel topic if you push -> in the msg entry textbox01:23
RST38hwazd: Why? This will not fix things01:23
wazdRST38h: oh01:23
jaem_N810is there anyone I can talk to about that? I keep almost changing the topic01:23
RST38hwazd: as soon as somebody adjusts contrast, these extra pixels will show up again01:23
wazdRST38h: I thought that the problem was that darkened zone is misplaced with actual screen01:24
RST38hbut moving them all to 54,96 will do the job01:24
RST38hwazd: yea, that's right01:24
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RST38hActually, now I see what you mean...yes, if you remove the darkened rectangles, it will work just fine :)01:25
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woglindegood inte01:31
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RST38hwazd: Fixed your problem with the same calc model not being selectable01:33
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* jaem_N810 goes back to studying01:37
RST38hfalling asleep. g'night all...01:37
jaem_N810g'night RST38h01:38
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wazdRST38h: 82:
wazdRST38h: wait! :)01:38
RST38hno, still here01:39
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RST38hwhy no arrows? =)01:40
wazdRST38h: oh crap)01:40
VDVsxnight all01:41
wazdRST38h: 83:
wazdRST38h: 83+:
RST38hgot both01:42
wazdRST38h: 83+SE:
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RST38hGot 'em all, will fix 82 by filling the rectangle01:43
RST38hThanks! Going to hit the bed now, will release 1.3.1 tomorrow01:43
wazdRST38h: 82:
wazdWell, I'll go to get some sleep too, good night world :)01:44
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Macerwow .. this is a pretty sickly law and order01:45
Macerrather twisted01:45
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ShadowJKheh... maemo's python just segfaulted on me04:00
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* b-man doesn't understand why Angstrom uses so many strange arm architectures - instead of 'package.arm.ipk' or 'package.armel.ipk' it's 'package.nokia800.ipk', 'package.armv6.ipk', 'package.armv5teb.ipk', 'package.omgta02.ipk, and 'package.arm0pl.ipk' - it's driving me nutz! >.<04:14
b-manpluse i need to define my actual cpu architecture in a config file :P04:16
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ShadowJKhm, you get the impression many things have never been tested that much...05:08
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RST38hmoo all08:43
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qgilStskeeps: ping09:57
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qgilStskeeps: We have some budget to sponsor key participants in the Danish Weekend. You are invited, and we will give priority to the contributors of the Mep project that you would like to work with in Copenhagen.09:58
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qgilAll you will be able to request sponsorship as soon as X-Fade has fixed an annoying bug in the same registration for we used for the Maemo Summit.09:59
qgilfyi the same priority is given to the Fremantle Stars projects10:00
qgil... and basically also to the cool apps available in Fremantle extras-devel10:00
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StsN801qgil, sounds good:) i'm self-financing this time around and crashing at a friend of mine - i'd like to make room for other mer developers in the budget10:04
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thuxStsN801: new mer installer came yesterday, does it install any diffrent mer than old one?10:13
StsN801thux, yes, 0.1110:13
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StsN801and fixes some bugs10:13
thuxStsN801: btw does that penguinbait bootloader bother mer installing?10:15
StsN801yeah, overwrite it with mer one and read the installation instructions. there's a part about clone to sd10:16
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RST38hqwerty: Anyway to move input field from undeneath guessed words in Anagramarama? =)10:33
qwerty12It was the best way I could get it to fit without making the letters any smaller. But I notice that the background image is still 800x600, I'll change that later and see what happns10:33
infobotqwerty12 meant: It was the best way I could get it to fit without making the letters any smaller. But I notice that the background image is still 800x600, I'll change that later and see what happens10:34
qwerty12But, that said, while not looking good, it doesn't deter from the playability of the game.10:35
RST38hqwerty: I guess at this point it seems better to make letters smaller =(10:35
RST38hYea, it works, just looks a bit untidy10:36
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aquatixgood moaning10:47
JaffaGood moaning10:47
JaffaOh, damn - snap10:48
aquatixJaffa: hm?10:48
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* Jaffa suspects your "moaning" subliminally influenced me10:49
aquatixit's monday moaning again10:49
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qgiland for those of you in Facebook:
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qgilhuomenta suihkulokki10:54
suihkulokkihuomenta qgil :)10:55
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b0unc3good morning11:00
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wazdhello world11:09
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worldwazd: hi11:11
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RST38hheya wazd11:21
RST38hmoo Sts11:21
wazdRST38h: Stskeeps: hello hello :)11:21
wazdX-Fade: hello11:21
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vsrdoes Maemo got a video player?11:33
X-Fadewazd: hi11:33
Stskeepsvsr: plenty11:33
Jaffagstreamer-based Helix-based player shipped as standard, mplayer available separaterly11:34
vsrlooking for a gui player11:34
vsrmaemo uses gpe right?11:34
Stskeepsmaemo uses maemo :P11:34
Stskeepsx29a: you were the one that wrote Documentation/Installation weren't you?11:35
Jaffavsr: There's one shipped, alternatively there are other front ends such as Canola, UKMP, Kagu, MediaBox11:35
Jaffavsr: the GPE PIM suite has been ported to Maemo, but it's its own Debian-based OS using the open source Hildon libraries (based on Gtk+)11:35
vsrwhat is the backend for these front ends?11:36
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Stskeepseither gstreamer or mplayer11:36
qwerty12mplayer, but canola and mediabox have the option to use the default media player backend: osso-media-server11:36
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qwerty12Oh, yeah, mediabox also has the option of using gstreamer directly (beta iirc)11:37
vsrwhich one is the best,11:37
Stskeepsdepends on taste11:37
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vsri have mplayer as a backend11:38
vsrsomething which is light and fast11:38
qwerty12mplayer for 98% of things, but the default media player backend can play some wmv's better11:38
vsrmplayer does not have a front end. i dont have a console11:38
vsrdo you know some good front ends which use mplayer as the backend11:39
qwerty12You just got a list.11:39
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vsryeah thanks, but none of this is supported in open embedded11:41
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Macerwell have to love that android txt to speech lib11:51
Macertoo bad i had to buy a damn app for jabber support11:51
Macerso i can use my jabberd11:51
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lcukqwerty12 mafw is meant to allow mplayer or gstreamer as a backend11:52
qwerty12I'm talking about now though11:53
lcukthen it doesnt :P11:53
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qwerty12That the new language you picked up after a trip in the Tardis? :)11:55
JaffaI can speak 6 billion languages now11:56
RST38hAs long as the word you speak is "Urgh"? =)11:56
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aquatixRST38h: you don't know how hard it is to pronounce that word in New New New New New New York's dialect11:59
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MakeGhoThis stupid n810 web browser always pops up the new window I open with "open new window". Even if I click it to background, it soon pops up again a few times. Anyone got a cure for this annoying behaviour?12:05
RST38haquatix: that is probably they use smells to communicate there12:06
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RST38hMakeGho: Complain to generalAntilles or GAN800 - he will commiserate with you12:06
RST38h(and point to a bug report that will probably never be resolved by Nokia now)12:06
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thuxStskeeps: does mer virtual-keyboard has locale layouts?12:22
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thuxtried also moblin-matchbox which does have but it got grey background where black keys are hard to see12:26
Stskeepsthux: not until someone makes it12:26
Stskeepsit shouldn't be that difficult though12:26
Stskeepsthe problem is the input method goodies is closed source, but framework is open12:27
thuxwonder could i change that moblin-matchbox keyboard colors?12:27
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thuxok try that12:28
thuxi try that12:28
Stskeepssomeone should try to take moblin-matchbox and turn it into a GTK input method or something..12:30
Stskeepsor HIM12:30
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wazd_n800Stskeeps, are there any candidates for mer's default mediaplayer?)12:31
Stskeepswazd_n800: canola2? dunno12:32
Stskeepsi mean, it's OSS now12:32
Stskeepsbut i guess a lightweight one would be good too12:33
thuxi'm on mer now and cannot do ctrl +ad any otherway detach screen?12:34
Stskeepsthux: sorry, ctrl doesn't work in osso-xterm :( please report on
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lcuksappy feel good story for monday:
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RST38hlcuk: "Sophie Tucker, assumed dead, survives alone on an ocean island! News at 11!"12:58
floriangood morning12:59
RST38hlcuk: "...was living off feral goats."12:59
wazd_n800does anybody knows where pidgin installs on the tablet?13:00
qwerty12dpkg -L pidgin?13:00
RST38hlcuk: "...she'd started eating baby feral goats."13:00
RST38hThis story ends too soon, with two few details13:00
RST38hwazd: /usr/share/pidgin if it made you install that humongous data package (it is not needed in general)13:01
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wazd_n800RST38h, well, i've tried to fix icq problem as described on russian nit forum and I think I've epic-failed)13:03
RST38hwazd: URL?13:04
wazd_n800now the device is loaded with crap and pidgin doesn't work at all)13:04
RST38hThe best thing would be to contact nix and ask him to update the package13:05
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wazd_n800can I remove pidgin stuff somehow?)13:07
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RST38hwazd: rm -rf /usr/share/pidgin does it =)13:35
RST38hwazd: To chto tam eti orly kompilyat na n8xx ya by opasalsya vot tak na ura stavit' - bo nikto ne znaet kakie u nix dependencies13:37
RST38hwazd: No libpurple podmenit' (comment #22) mozhno poprobovat'13:38
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lizardoX-Fade: hi13:50
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X-Fadelizardo: Hi13:50
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lizardoI'm trying to upload a new version of "maemo-python-env" (whose latest version was uploaded  by jhs_s) to maemo extras, but it the builder simply does not start it (even when the queue is empty), then after a few hours, it fails13:52
lizardoX-Fade: ^ any ideas?13:52
lizardoX-Fade: the package is just a metapackage, so it should not take that long to build13:52
X-Fadelizardo: did you upload all needed files?13:53
lizardoX-Fade: the strange thing is that I could upload maemo-python-device-env (very similar to it) without problems13:53
lizardoX-Fade: I think so, but I will check that13:53
lizardoX-Fade: does the builder "holds" the package from building if it could not satisfy its dependencies?13:55
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X-Fadelizardo: It was rejected because the orig.tar.gz was missing?13:55
lizardoX-Fade: yeah, but I'm pretty sure it was not :) (tried twice)13:55
svu__alterego, here?13:55
X-Fadelizardo: Is it really only 133 bytes?13:56
X-Fadelizardo:  94330d0e4c89030f87ce8f6289384aba 133 maemo-python-env_1.1.0.orig.tar.gz13:56
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lizardoX-Fade: yes:13:57
lizardo$ md5sum ../maemo-python-env_1.1.0.orig.tar.gz; du -sb ../maemo-python-env_1.1.0.orig.tar.gz13:57
lizardo94330d0e4c89030f87ce8f6289384aba  ../maemo-python-env_1.1.0.orig.tar.gz13:57
lizardo133     ../maemo-python-env_1.1.0.orig.tar.gz13:57
lizardoX-Fade: hmmm13:58
lizardobut now looking at it, it looks strange :/13:58
lizardoI mean, the source package was created without errors, but in fact the .tar.gz tarball looks empty13:59
lizardoX-Fade: I will verify why this happened, thanks for your help!13:59
X-Fadelizardo: Let me know what you find ;)14:00
MacerStskeeps: going to the po to ship it today14:01
Stskeepsalright :)14:01
Macermake sure you do good things with it ;)14:02
Stskeepsof course i will14:02
Macerand now i have an excuse to get an n81014:03
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Macerdamn n810 goes for $350 still?14:06
Macerkind of high isnt it?14:07
mgedminwell, then n900 doesn't exist yet14:08
mgedminI imagine the price will drop then14:08
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svu__can anyone pls ping alterego, to check if he is just ignoring me?14:10
Maceramazon has n810s for 270 new14:10
tank-mandidn't have n810s on sale a while back for $20014:11
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lardmanmorning all14:12
Macerdont know14:12
qwerty12afternoon lardman ;)14:12
Stskeepsmorning lardman14:13
lardmanqwerty12: hey, I'm going with ugt14:13
lardmanhi Stskeeps14:13
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suihkulokkiany ssl/certificate gurus awake?14:16
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suihkulokkior if anyone is able to curl/wget without ssl error14:18
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Stskeepsworks for me in firefox 314:19
suihkulokkiI know14:20
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Stskeepsoh, curl14:20
pyhimyscurl -k
qgilhi X-Fade, maybe that bug in the registration for has something to do with the "Notice" appearing at ¿?14:24
suihkulokkipyhimys: that's a a workaround. I'm intersted in getting it fixed.14:24
Stskeepssuihkulokki: if you're still doing anything scratchbox related, you -really- want to take a look at OBS's qemu-arm patches. i just set up a binfmt_misc environment with their qemu-arm and user-level emulates without a single hiss14:26
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suihkulokkiStskeeps: where are their qemu patches?14:27
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Stskeepsmake a OBS account, and at , grab Debian_Etch version , and dpkg-buildpackage14:27
Stskeepsgenerates a static /usr/bin/qemu-arm14:28
* lcuk waves \o14:28
Stskeepspatches are in debian/patches14:28
Stskeepsyeah, it's lame to have to make an account14:28
suihkulokkican't you get them online somewhere?14:29
lizardoX-Fade: I found the problem, it was a the previous version of the package in (look at its size), it should not have a .orig.tar.gz anyway (it is a native package), so I just removed it and made a .diff.gz + .tar.gz upload... let's see if it works14:30
lcuklol stskeeps thats cheating :P14:31
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wazd_n800jezus christ, why copy/paste sould be so compplicated(14:38
RST38hTo force you into creating original content? =)14:39
wazd_n800why not just open archive, copy lib, open folder and paste it14:39
wazd_n800why should I type all that alchemy stuff into the console(14:40
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RST38hThat is the power of Linux!14:43
wazd_n800pidgin still doeesn't work, even reinstalled one and I have 100 mb of junk somewhere on the device(14:43
RST38hAll this typing replaces sexual life to some people, you know...14:43
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RST38hOk, let us start with making console easy. Do you have SSH installed on the tablet already?14:44
wazd_n800RST38h, my desktop is down right now so I have to wait untill it will fix itself)14:45
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Stskeeps'lo jeremiah_14:47
RST38hwazd: Anyways, connecting via ssh from the desktop makes console stuff much easier14:47
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suihkulokkiStskeeps: thanks.14:47
RST38hwazd: As to the 100MB of trash, you unpacked that tar.gz, didn't you?14:47
Stskeepssuihkulokki: np - i hope it comes to good use14:48
jeremiah_Hello keeps!14:48
jeremiah_Is that a bot you have that says 'lo?14:48
jeremiah_Or do you always just say hello? :-)14:49
RST38hehlo jeremiah14:49
Stskeepsjeremiah_: nop, i'm just slightly weird14:49
jeremiah_helo RST38h!14:49
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jeremiah_Stskeeps: Its not weird, is courteous. :)14:49
wazd_n800RST38h, yep14:49
RST38hwazd: I am downloading it at the moment, once I do, will tell you what to type to wipe this stuff clean14:49
jeremiah_BRB, making some tea.14:49
wazd_n800RST38h, thanks a lot!14:50
RST38hwazd: you will also have to go to app manager and uninstall pidgin after you delete crap14:50
RST38hwazd: this will clean up whatever installation you had before14:51
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wazd_n800ok, looks like my desktop is totally fraked up14:52
Stskeepstime to buy a usb hub and replace it with your n800 ;)14:53
RST38hSts: Not until Nokia fixes lagging kbd input14:53
StskeepsRST38h: have we discovered what it is yet?14:53
Stskeepsi know HIM acts up, but rest?14:53
RST38hSts: We have so far discovered that Nokia isn't going to fix it14:53
wazd_n800Stskeeps, not untill PS on ARM)14:54
StskeepsRST38h: no excuse for not trying ourselves14:54
suihkulokkiStskeeps: well there was only one patch not seen before14:55
RST38hOh fucking shit... Never trust n8xx14:55
mgedminnever trust nokia to build an alarm clock14:56
mgedminI overslept this morning's meeting because the nokia phone didn't ring14:56
Stskeepssuihkulokki: k - well, it seems to run just fine so far14:56
RST38hSts: Are we supposed to have /usr/include on tablets?14:56
mgedminand the n810's alarm pays very close attention to "system sounds: off" or something daft like that14:56
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RST38hwazd; Ready?14:57
wazd_n800RST38h, yep14:57
Stskeepssuihkulokki: admittedly i don't know if he did it cleanly (through debian/patches) or in-code14:58
wazd_n800btw, does anybody know any reliable network storage disks?14:59
wazd_n800I mean "very" reliable)14:59
jeremiah_Oh, in that case, no.14:59
jeremiah_"very reliable" is hard to find in computing.15:00
wazd_n800I need something to store important files there15:00
RST38hwazd: rm -rf /usr/share/sounds/purple /usr/share/purple /usr/share/pixmaps/pidgin /usr/share/applications/pidgin.desktop /usr/lib/purple-2 /usr/lib/pidgin /usr/lib/gnt /usr/lib/finch /usr/lib/libgnt* /usr/lib/libpurple* /usr/include /usr/bin/finch /usr/bin/purple-* /usr/bin/pidgin /etc/gconf/schemas/purple.schemas15:00
RST38hwazd: this should all be done with root privileges15:01
Stskeepswazd_n800: i would use a local raid and back up online or something15:01
RST38hjeremiah: just have to know where to look15:01
jeremiah_RST38h: Where do you suggest?15:02
lizardoX-Fade: ok, I think the problem is something else... because the package seems to be waiting forever to be selected for building (just as before), even with the builders apparently idle (the package was uploaded at 11:42 AM UTC15:02
RST38hjeremiah/Sts/mgedmin: Please, help us a little bit here: does the tablet have /usr/lib/pkgconfig /usr/share/alocal /usr/share/man directories?15:02
RST38hjeremiah: most aerospace stuff is dumb but extremely reliable15:02
jeremiah_RST38h: I wil check.15:02
qwerty12_N800hey jeremiah_15:03
jeremiah_RST38h: Ah, true I suppose.15:03
RST38hjeremiah: FreeBSD based servers are also somewhat dumb but stable like a rock15:03
jeremiah_Hey qwerty12_N800!15:03
jeremiah_RST38h: But they have to rely on the underlying hardware.15:03
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RST38hjeremiahL It is just the consumer stuff that is unreliable15:03
jeremiah_So no more reliable than anything else.15:03
RST38hjeremiah; Oh you can build yourself reliable hardware, all it takes is 1-2 hours of googling15:03
jeremiah_If you want reliable, you need to double it up, whatever it is.15:04
RST38hthen the element responsible for fail over mechanism breaks15:04
jeremiah_nah, use a distributed replicated block device and you have instant clustering.15:05
lcukmultiple systems running multiple platofrms15:05
lcukhardcore nasa style redundency15:06
jeremiah_trivial. drbd and kvm15:06
lcukheh, im thinking arm and x86 ;)15:06
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jeremiah_I'm just spouting gibberish so, ignore me. :)15:07
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mgedminRST38h: n810 with latest os2008: no /usr/share/alocal; the other two exist15:08
mgedminRST38h: but there is /usr/share/aclocal15:09
liriafter retrieving some canola updates, canola didn't start which I solved by copying a plugins file from the user's directory to /usr/share... now canola2 starts but it hangs when playing a file. this is n81015:09
liriany ideas?15:09
RST38hmgedmin: ok o all three exist?15:10
jeremiah_I get no /usr/share/alocal on my tablet15:10
jeremiah_n810 with latest OS15:10
RST38hOk, so they are saved from destruction15:10
RST38hwazd: Still here?15:10
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RST38hwazd: rm -rf /usr/share/man/man1/finch.1 /usr/share/man/man1/pidgin.1 /usr/share/aclocal/purple.m4 /usr/lib/pkgconfig/finch.pc /usr/lib/pkgconfig/gnt.pc /usr/lib/pkgconfig/pidgin.pc /usr/lib/pkgconfig/purple.pc15:12
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RST38hwazd: This will clean your tablet up, although pidgin messages will still stay /usr/share/locale - they are too numeroud15:13
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RST38hTo clean locale:  find /usr/share/locale -name -print | xargs -n 1 rm -f15:17
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RST38hYou won't believe it is not april 1st:
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StskeepsRST38h: ..15:24
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jeremiah_I kinda like the new symbian logo. :)15:25
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qwerty12*That's* a logo?15:26
StskeepsArt: anyone can do it.15:27
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RST38hWas that MS Paint or did they use more advanced tools?15:28
aquatixi think they used a crayon15:29
Stskeepsthey used the dead remains of a possum covered in paint15:30
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RST38hThey used stylus from a discarded UIQ phone.15:32
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StskeepsRST38h: would a developer environment where you simply chroot into the target, full user level emulation be good?15:34
Stskeepswithout tricks15:34
Stskeeps(for cross-compilation)15:34
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RST38hSts: I have no idea, isn't it what SB2 does?15:55
* RST38h does not really need to chroot to any special environments, a crosscompiling toolchain is ok with him15:56
StskeepsRST38h: yeah, - but it adds in a lot of stuff as well. this solution is as simple as installing qemu and adding a binfmt, and just chrooting, heh15:56
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Stskeepsi mean, i'm currently compiling Qt using it15:57
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Stskeeps(special qemu btw, that is patched to fix the bugs)15:58
RST38hSB2 solution where you prepend all cross commmands with sb2 is ok with me15:59
RST38hYours sounds like SB2 solution really15:59
Stskeepsyeah, similar goals16:00
RST38hoh btw once you chroot, will your external files still be available?16:00
Stskeepsi guess you can do that with mount --bind16:01
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lizardoX-Fade: the package is still there, waiting to be built ... any ideas ?16:03
lizardoX-Fade: this is the first time I ever saw this behavior when uploading to fremantle extras-devel16:04
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X-Fadelizardo: maemo-python-env_1.1.0.orig.tar.gz: No such file or directory16:05
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lizardoX-Fade: the 1.1.0-4 version does not contains a .orig.tar.gz, only the plain .tar.gz + .dsc ...16:06
X-Fadelizardo: check your .dsc16:06
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lizardoX-Fade: dput just accepted it without errors... should I try using the extras-assistant ?16:06
X-Fadelizardo:  94330d0e4c89030f87ce8f6289384aba 133 maemo-python-env_1.1.0.orig.tar.gz16:06
lizardoX-Fade: ....16:06
lizardoX-Fade: you are right :(16:07
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lizardoX-Fade: dammit, I cleaned up everything and just did the buildpackage -S ... will try again , sorry for bothering you :(16:08
X-Fadelizardo: Heh, no problem :)16:08
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lizardoX-Fade: BTW, is the autobuilder's NEW queue available through HTTP ? only lists those packages the already started building (it seems)16:14
lizardoX-Fade: I mean, access the files themselves , not just the list?16:17
lizardoX-Fade: anyway, now the build passed just fine :) it still looks strange why the dsc got wrong on the previous try, without dput complaining at all...16:19
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JaffaX-Fade: Seen (top 3 entries)?16:28
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lizardothose damm ghosts...16:30
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X-FadeJaffa: Looking at it..16:32
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GAN800Defeated by ghost clones!16:40
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thuxwho you gonna call, ghostbusters16:42
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lizardoX-Fade: and just in case it was not reported yet, I get the following PHP error when logging out from Fatal error: Class '__org_openpsa_products_product_group_dba' not found in /mnt/netapp/pear/midcom/lib/org/openpsa/products/product/group.php on line 1316:43
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X-Fadelizardo: Hmm not good, will check.16:45
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lizardoX-Fade: and just one more: sometimes I see this one when editing my profile on Notice: Undefined variable: guid in /mnt/netapp/pear/midcom/lib/midcom/baseclasses/database/parameter.php on line 4616:51
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RST38hSts: I think it is way better to at least let the developer have his original file system16:57
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RST38hSts: No sandboxes disconnected from the main filesystem16:57
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GAN800Later, folks.17:00
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timelE61ihello world18:40
Stskeepshello timeles18:40
timelE61iAnyone here have time for two quick reboots?18:40
timelE61i1. Switch to es-ES (reboot)18:40
timelE61i2. Tell me when you reach this step :)18:41
lardman~lart MEX file debugging18:41
* infobot grabs a large, mis-shapened log, with squirrels, and beats MEX file debugging until only the nuts remain ... which the squirrels run off with18:41
StskeepstimelE61i: will it trash my tablet? :P18:41
lardmanlcuk: make you feel more at home, me ranting about MATLAB?18:41
qwerty12It will mine: localepurge is in effect on my N800 :P18:41
* Stskeeps watches qt build and build18:42
lcukheh lardman :D sounds good - hows your monday goin18:43
timelE61ists: unless you do something stupid, no18:43
StskeepstimelE61i: and then?18:43
timelE61iOpen reloj18:43
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lcukapart from mex stuff ;)18:43
lardmanlcuk: not too bad18:43
Stskeepsreloj? :P18:43
timelE61iIt's white and looks like a clock :)18:43
Stskeepsand? :P18:44
lcukive got liqbase on a nice shiney git server with a pretty management tool behind it (H)18:44
timelE61ihold on :)18:44
timelE61iApp menu, herramientas, ajustes de fecha y hora...18:45
* lardman gives himself a small kick for a school-boy coding error18:45
timelE61iSeleccionar ciudad de origen18:45
lcuktimelE61i, do you understand this, or have you got quim nearby to translate for you :D18:45
timelE61iLcuk: yo hablo espanol tambien18:46
StskeepstimelE61i: and then?18:46
lardmanhay un playa por aqui?18:46
lcuklardman, i cured a major stinker of a stupid error last week that had been in place since 2006! (dayjob)18:46
timelE61iCiudad del vaticano....18:46
lcuktimelE61i, no-io i dont-io speak-io the language-io18:46
timelE61ifull screen18:46
timelE61iApp menu, herramientas, ajustes de fecha y hora...18:47
lardmantimelE61i: his popeliness appears as it crashes?18:47
StskeepstimelE61i: uh, nice dialog box18:47
StskeepstimelE61i: the dialog box for fecha y hora is going absolutely mental18:47
timelE61ia guy here complained it wasn't performant18:48
timelE61iToo slow :)18:48
qwerty12So would I if I was called a hor :)18:48
Stskeeps.. i think it's flashing thailand at me18:48
StskeepstimelE61i: bascially the dialog box is changing size at the wrapping of l Vatican18:48
Stskeepsforth and  back18:48
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timelE61iyou're certain it's wrapping?18:49
timelE61iBecause you aren't allowed to wrap "del" at de-18:49
timelE61iYou could split to de/el, if you spoke spanish18:50
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StskeepstimelE61i: well, it doesn't exactly succed in wrapping18:50
timelE61iBut it's unlikely this thing actually speaks it18:50
Stskeepsthe dialog is expanding and compressing constantly18:50
timelE61iSts: certainly not :)18:50
timelE61iAs a coworker said, it's more like 1fps, which isn't a good constant :)18:50
Stskeepscan i switch back now? :P18:51
timelE61iWe generally have targets of better than 10fps :)18:51
timelE61iYeah, we're done18:51
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lcuktimelE61i, if oyu make it SO quick the flashing starts to be a problem that you need to include generic strobe warnings on the device ;)19:13
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timelE61iaRe you sure we don't have that warning?19:15
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StsN800mm, nothing like a thick curry sauce19:24
lardmanto hide the flashing?19:25
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lardmancu all19:28
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Stskeeps'lo penguinbait20:02
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Stskeepshmm, who of you were the VLC-hildon people? :P20:55
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lcuk~lart git21:29
* infobot puts on some milking gloves. "All right, now, git, this won't hurt a bit...."21:29
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thuxis infobot supybot?21:33
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sjgadsbyWhy does the "Log in" link on lead to Bugzilla?21:40
Stskeepshint to file a bug on it? ;)21:40
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sjgadsbyThat's pretty much what I'm thinking.21:41
sjgadsbyI suppose I'll take the hint.21:41
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* sjgadsby blames GAN800.21:49
GAN800Probably more productive to blame X-Fade. :P21:51
sjgadsbyYes, but  you're here.21:51
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RST38hsjgadsby: doesn't it make perfect sense?22:00
bbnshi all. I have noticed the N810 coming with ambient light sensors and I noticed that it has IR sensor to check proximity.22:00
bbnsIs therer anyway to access the proximity? (I have successfully access the ambient light sensor but it only gives on lux value).22:00
Stskeepshm, didn't know there was a IR sensor22:01
RST38hn810 has no ir sensor22:01
lcukbbns, what makes you think there is one?22:01
GeneralAntillesRST38h, webcam. :D22:01
ShadowJKI wonder if hte webcam picks up IR :)22:01
* GeneralAntilles contemplates hauling a G5 up 3 flights of stairs with some distaste.22:02
bbnslcuk, i checked the spec from the manufacture.22:02
lcukthis spec is available where?22:02
bbnslet me check22:02
lcukit can't be the webcam, he said sensor - it would actually have to sense things ;) :P22:03
RST38hGen: if you manage to access it through all the api garbage =)22:03
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bbnslcuk, tsl2563 dataseet:
GeneralAntilleslcuk, sure has no trouble sensing your ugly face. :P22:04
bbnslcuk, it looks like it comes with dual dide. one is ambient light sensor, one is IR.22:04
lcukwell thats where its gone wrong, im not ugly IRL :D22:04
ShadowJKhey, camera sees the IR transmitter of my phone :-)22:04
GeneralAntilleslcuk, beauty is in the eye of the beholder, and the camera never lies. :D22:04
RST38hcheap cell phone cameras will generally see near ir22:05
bbnslcuk, i suspect the IR one actually enables the AF or aperture adjustment for inward camera.22:05
lcuki wasnt aware the camera had either22:05
lcuklike zoom: move device closer22:05
ShadowJKRST38h, it'd be more fun if they completely left out the IR filter so that you could have nightvision :-)22:06
lcukillumination: turn the light on22:06
lcukflash: open your mac22:06
StskeepsShadowJK: oh that'd be a neat app  :P22:06
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crashanddieIR isn't exactly night vision22:07
crashanddieallows to see through opaque things though22:07
ShadowJKYeah add a IR powerled and it becomes see in the dark22:07
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crashanddieStskeeps, is there git on mer?22:12
Stskeepsmost likely? :P22:12
crashanddiedo I need to install specific repos? Like maybe the maemo ones?22:12
Stskeepsno, just apt-get install git-core22:13
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crashanddieoh wow, there's the ubuntu ports and everything?22:13
GeneralAntillesIt is Ubuntu22:14
crashanddieok, fair enough :)22:14
crashanddiehi GA o/22:14
crashanddiehow's it going buddy?22:14
GeneralAntillesMy computers are falling apart22:15
GeneralAntillesbut otherwise great22:15
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crashanddietold you HP wasn't a good buy22:16
crashanddieor Packard Bell22:16
crashanddiedunno what shite you bought, dawg22:16
GeneralAntillesLeaking G5. :(22:16
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crashanddieoh Mac?22:16
crashanddiewhat the fuck did you do to the poor thing22:16
crashanddiebtw, is a G5 any good for today's use?22:17
GeneralAntillesApparently it's a common issue with the LCS G5s.22:17
GeneralAntillesUm, if you already own one.22:17
GeneralAntillesI wouldn't buy one to have one, though.22:17
GeneralAntillesYou can do cheaper and better if you just need PPC22:17
GeneralAntillesThere's a bit of nostalgia inflation on the last gen PPC Macs.22:18
RST38hShadowJK: I do suspect they completley left out the ir filter :)22:19
ShadowJKnah it looks kinda faint actually22:20
RST38hShadowJK: it is just that the sensor is rather crappy and its ir sensitivity is kinda low22:20
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crashanddie"Your SSH key has been uploaded. It may take a moment or two before becoming active"22:21
crashanddiedefine:duration of moment22:21
crashanddiehow long is two moments?22:21
sjgadsbyAre these metric or imperial moments?22:22
crashanddiedunno, didn't say22:22
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crashanddieah, Wikipedia defines everything22:24
crashanddieA moment is a medieval unit of time equal to 1.5 minutes or 1/40 of an hour22:24
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crashanddieor 5/114 of a second22:25
crashanddiethat's the imperial one I gather, stupid fractions22:25
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lcukthats not imperial, thats for 3 mile island schoolkids to count with their fingers22:27
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* sjgadsby lives 100 miles from Three Mile Island.22:29
lcuksjgadsby, wouldnt even get warm near you22:30
||cwsure it's not 103 miles?22:30
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sjgadsby||cw: Actually, according to Google Maps, that is the driving distance.22:31
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VDVsxwooow, is a little bit f%&k up right now :P22:33
lcukch ch ch ch changes22:34
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lcuk\o hi wazd22:35
wazdhello again)22:35
lcukhmm ive got a statusbar clock thing from extras, it doesnt refresh the time very often22:35
lcukthey kicked the server22:36
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crashanddielcuk, the fact my public key is not getting updated would corroborate the fact they're out of synch22:37
lcuktry it now, its found my update22:37
Stskeeps'lo wazd22:37
crashanddielcuk, mer lost wifi xD22:37
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wazdfresh vista runs like demon22:52
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GeneralAntillesWarranty exception. Hell yes!22:54
sjgadsbyApple's going to fix your G5?22:54
GeneralAntillesTried to talk them up to a replacement machine, but a repair on a 4-year-old computer works for me.22:55
sjgadsbyHa! But if they have to send a dual quad core instead, you won't complain.22:55
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LinuxCodesjgadsby, they will replace one of their own office machines first with a new one and slaughter it for spares22:56
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GeneralAntillessjgadsby, we'll see what happens. Other users have had Apple offer them replacement machines after they've had trouble getting the parts.22:57
sjgadsbyGeneralAntilles: Yep, I've heard the same thing from others.22:57
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GeneralAntillesI pushed the "What if it leaks again and I electrocute myself?" line to no success.22:58
sjgadsbyNice one!22:58
GeneralAntillesThat coolant shorting that big 750 watt PSU to that giant metal case would be less than enjoyable.22:58
LinuxCodeGeneralAntilles, was the respinse, then dont put your hands in there ?22:58
GeneralAntillesHe gave me his direct line if I had any issues with the repair. ;)22:59
GeneralAntillesSort of side stepped it.22:59
LinuxCodehow much did you have to battle with them until they agreed to repair ?22:59
GeneralAntillesWell, I started with a call to Apple last week that didn't go past L123:00
LinuxCodeIs US law the same like UK law ? here if something is high value, you can expect a certain reasonable life-time23:00
GeneralAntillesTook it to the Genius bar in Tampa later that week and had a long (and fruitless) discussion with one of the AM1s23:00
LinuxCodeAM1 ?23:00
GeneralAntillesEr, Senior Assistant Manager. ;)23:01
GeneralAntilles(which I didn't realize at the time, thought she was the store manager)23:01
GeneralAntillesI managed to talk them into giving me a case number so Apple didn't just refer me right back to a service center23:01
LinuxCodeaka time wasted as not speaking to person with authority ?23:01
LinuxCodeahh cool23:01
GeneralAntillesWell, I dunno how much power is delegated to the assistant managers there23:01
LinuxCodeand then what did you do next ?23:02
GeneralAntillesbut she's telling me that she doesn't have any options to help me23:02
GeneralAntillesand I'm not sure I buy that coming from an AM1. ;)23:02
GeneralAntillesCalled Apple today23:02
GeneralAntillesgave my case number to L123:02
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GeneralAntilleshe put me on hold a bit and transfered me right over to the customer relations guy23:02
LinuxCodehehe cool23:03
LinuxCodeand he offered ?23:03
GeneralAntillestold him my story, he put me on hold for a bit longer, did some tap dancing about how far out of warranty and how old my machine was then offered me a warranty exception.23:03
LinuxCodeso is US law like UK law in that respect ?23:04
GeneralAntillesNo, not really23:04
LinuxCodeif they give in like that, sounds dodgy23:04
GeneralAntillesThe EU has stronger consumer protection laws as far as repairs go.23:04
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LinuxCodeEU likes consumers yes23:04
GeneralAntillesWhich you end up paying for anyway. :P23:04
LinuxCodesadly my fellow Citizens dont seem to realize that much23:04
sjgadsbyIt's likely a known issue internally, so they're willing to do something if you show a bit of persistence.23:05
LinuxCodesjgadsby, thats what Im thinking too23:05
GeneralAntillesWell, some cases have had to sign NDAs23:05
GeneralAntillesSome I'm quite sure they know it's a problem.23:05
GeneralAntillesThank god for, though.23:05
GeneralAntillesGave me a lot of ammo to use23:06
LinuxCodevery interesting23:06
* LinuxCode needs to keep that in mind23:06
LinuxCodeI shall inform my brother23:06
LinuxCodehe is the Mac person23:06
LinuxCodebastard with his dual quad core lol23:06
* GeneralAntilles crosses his fingers.23:06
LinuxCodehow many cores did your box have ?23:07
* sjgadsby isn't going to mention the dual quad core he has on the way.23:07
GeneralAntillesI'll pay the difference to an octocore Nehalem if they offer me something.23:07
GeneralAntillesIt's pre multi-core23:07
LinuxCodehehe k23:07
GeneralAntillesDual 2.5GHz G523:07
LinuxCodeI hope you get a quad then23:07
GeneralAntillesIt's be great if I can get a Mac Pro23:07
LinuxCodeI dont suspect you will though, tbh23:07
GeneralAntillesSave me the $3000 upgrade cost for another 4 or 5 years.23:07
GeneralAntillesWe'll see23:08
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GeneralAntillesI bet they've stocked up on parts a bit.23:08
LinuxCodekeep us informed23:08
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GeneralAntillesAssuming they don't NDA my ass. :D23:08
LinuxCodeIm very intruiged to here what will happen23:08
LinuxCodeI dont know you, you dont know me23:08
GeneralAntillesHehe, my online identity is awfully easy to track.23:08
LinuxCodeyou can always email me and tell em you are installing fedora on a quad or dual core machine23:09
* RST38h once again curses ridiculous Aeroflot web interface23:09
* LinuxCode will know then23:09
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RST38hHow do I return stuck FF session to life?23:20
RST38hIs there some Ctrl-Break key sequence? =)23:20
qwerty12_N800shock baton23:20
RST38hA'ok...applying shock baton23:21
Stskeepsshock bacon?23:21
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RST38hHehe, Aeroflot uses Google Analytics to collect website stats23:34
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LinuxCodemany people/compnaies do23:35
LinuxCodein fact, its become a bit of a security issue now23:35
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RST38hyou bet...23:40
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jeremiah_shock bacon, aeroflot, I have missed alot to day.23:45
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GeneralAntillesIdle bettar23:45
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GeneralAntillesOoh Rev.C Beagle is here23:45
zakkmGeneralAntilles: Excited for Snow Leopard?23:46
GeneralAntilleszakkm, the likelihood is that it wont run on my G5, so, no.23:47
zakkmrunning on a nice tweaked overclocked osx x86 myself.23:47
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jeremiah_x86 rules23:49
jeremiah_Although I would kinda like to have a Cell cluster to play with.23:50
zakkmjeremiah_: you use osx x86 too?23:50
Stskeepsi wouldn't mind a sheevaplug23:50
jeremiah_zakkm: Dual boot debian and leopard.23:50
GeneralAntillesjeremiah_, what you mean is x86 sucks. ;)23:50
jeremiah_On a mac mini.23:50
zakkmon a non-apple machine?23:50
zakkmdont like macports?23:50
jeremiah_Stskeeps: Me too - they look fun.23:50
jeremiah_zakkm: No, it is always out of date and fink is not apt23:51
jeremiah_But I think it is great that Mac ports exists23:51
jeremiah_And it is great work, it is just that I am spoiled by debian23:51
GeneralAntillesFink is Fink. Fink is not MacPorts.23:51
zakkmits a alternate though23:52
jeremiah_Yeah, that is why I say fink is not apt and Mac ports is out of date. :)23:52
GeneralAntillesAh, OK. :P23:52
jeremiah_fink is apt ported to OS X. Mac ports is BSD ports ported to OS X.23:52
GeneralAntillesI've found them both to be out of date.23:52
jeremiah_Yeah, me too.23:52
zakkmi didnt think it was that bad23:52
zakkmi dont have x11 so i cant try it out23:52
jeremiah_No, I shouldn't critize.23:52
zakkmits like 3gb :(23:52
jeremiah_zakkm: Don't have X11?23:53
jeremiah_It is free from Apple23:53
zakkmi know23:53
zakkmbut its a 3gb download, thats like 24 hours for my pc.. of full bandwidth23:53
zakkmwhich i thought isnt worth it ;p23:53
jeremiah_oh, that sucks.23:53
Stskeeps3g for X11?23:53
jeremiah_I totally understand.23:53
jeremiah_But that does seem a little large for X1123:53
zakkmit has other stuf too23:53
GeneralAntilles3GB for XCode23:53
GeneralAntillesx11 is, like, 80MB23:53
zakkmxcode thats it23:53
jeremiah_Yeah, must be 3G for Xcode23:54
zakkmi think i have x11 then, cause darwine works23:54
jeremiah_XCode is pretty amazing though.23:54
zakkmwait yeah i got x1123:54
jeremiah_If I had to use an IDE, I would use that.23:54
zakkm168 kb :)23:54
zakkmI hate genie effect, it can be so jerky sometimes.23:55
zakkmdid you guys enable QuartzGL/Quartz 2D Extreme?23:55
jeremiah_GeneralAntilles: I was kind of disappointed by the meeting today.23:55
zakkmoh yeah how'd the meeting go23:56
GeneralAntillesjeremiah_, don't blame me23:56
zakkmi had school ;p23:56
jeremiah_GeneralAntilles: Okay, I won't. :)23:56
GeneralAntillesYou can officially blame all of your problems on the new sucker^W chair, Jaffa. ;)23:56
zakkmwhat happened? whaat was discussed?23:56
jeremiah_zakkm: I didn't enjoy it, let put it that way.23:56
GeneralAntillesjeremiah_, I was driving while the meeting was happening, so. ;)23:56
zakkmwhat was the point of the meeting? like what changed?23:57
* GeneralAntilles contemplates putting 5 drives in his stand-in G5 but decides to browse /. instead.23:57
GeneralAntilleszakkm, it's a sprint review23:57
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zakkmfor maemo or mer?23:58
GeneralAntillesThey're monthly23:58
jeremiah_zakkm: Well, it was the first meeting with the new council and it was a sprint review, like GA says23:58
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GeneralAntillesSprint reviews are always variable.23:58
GeneralAntillesSometimes people are engaged and ready to report, sometimes they're not.23:58
zakkmheh so up to a bad start? :P23:59
jeremiah_I think the paid staff and the council should serve for the same period and at the same time.23:59
jeremiah_I think it is, umm, questionable, that a new council tries to change horses in mid-stream23:59

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