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| crazy_imp | heyho | 00:08 |
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| crazy_imp | is there a way to flash the n810 from linux (only found a windows updater on the nokiapage :/) | 00:08 |
| Stskeeps | yes, http://tablets-dev.nokia.com | 00:08 |
| Stskeeps | an~d | 00:08 |
| Stskeeps | ~flashing | 00:08 |
| infobot | i heard flashing is http://wiki.maemo.org/Updating_the_tablet_firmware | 00:08 |
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| crazy_imp | thanks :) | 00:09 |
| timelE61i | zAp: gdb sucks | 00:10 |
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| crazy_imp | fiasco image = RX-44_DIABLO_5.2008.43-7_PR_COMBINED_MR0_ARM.bin ? | 00:13 |
| crazy_imp | or do i have to extract something from the .bin? | 00:13 |
| * Jaffa beds | 00:13 | |
| Stskeeps | nini | 00:13 |
| qwerty12_N800 | crazy_imp: yes, that's the fiasco img | 00:14 |
| lbt | Jaffa: | 00:14 |
| crazy_imp | ok | 00:15 |
| lbt | damn | 00:15 |
| lbt | need python 2.5 :) | 00:15 |
| Stskeeps | eh | 00:16 |
| Stskeeps | oh, 8.10 had 2.4? | 00:16 |
| Stskeeps | or what? | 00:16 |
| lbt | I was about to kick of osc on bleb.org | 00:16 |
| lbt | osc needs python2.5 | 00:16 |
| lbt | but doesn't depend on it - d'oh | 00:16 |
| lbt | so when Jaffa installed it earlier it didn't pull it in | 00:17 |
| lbt | ah | 00:22 |
| lbt | maybe not | 00:22 |
| lbt | osc has #!/usr/bin/python and the box is diverting to 2.4 | 00:23 |
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| lbt | mer 0.11 is going to OBS | 00:29 |
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| wazd | lbt: http://i038.radikal.ru/0904/de/cb71343dfb45.png <- some wip :) | 00:41 |
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| lbt | wazd: hey... | 00:42 |
| zakkm | wazd: that looks nice | 00:42 |
| lbt | why is party grey? | 00:42 |
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| wazd | lbt: finished categories | 00:43 |
| zakkm | cause it has 1/1 ? | 00:43 |
| lbt | cool | 00:43 |
| zakkm | shouldnt green be better? | 00:43 |
| zakkm | green = completed.. by default color? | 00:43 |
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| lbt | well, grey is 'not interesting' | 00:43 |
| lbt | kinda faded out | 00:43 |
| lbt | I like the show/hide on categories - that's on the todo list | 00:44 |
| wazd | zakkm: well, green is pretty bright color, it focuses attention | 00:44 |
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| lbt | I also like the 1/4 type thing | 00:44 |
| lbt | how do you think it'll work with the gestures? | 00:44 |
| zakkm | ah i guess so | 00:45 |
| zakkm | not thinking straight | 00:45 |
| wazd | lbt: I thought it would be good to optimize some general view to let user work with it comfortably, withut jumping thru categories and screens | 00:45 |
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| zakkm | is it hard to add? | 00:45 |
| lbt | that shot fits in with 'full view' idea | 00:46 |
| zakkm | and isnt paper better? | 00:46 |
| GAN800 | lol, I guess wazd beat me to the punch | 00:46 |
| zakkm | like writing on paper, shopping list? | 00:46 |
| wazd | zakkm: quiet! | 00:46 |
| zakkm | all the typing and such and then gets deleted later | 00:46 |
| wazd | zakkm: lcuk should be somewhere near :P | 00:46 |
| zakkm | and then rewritten | 00:46 |
| zakkm | im just sayingg | 00:46 |
| lbt | zakkm: you don't re-write it each time | 00:46 |
| zakkm | your shopping list is identical each and every time you go? | 00:47 |
| lbt | you end up with a huge list of things you buy | 00:47 |
| lbt | and then you pick the ones you want that trip | 00:47 |
| zakkm | oh | 00:47 |
| wazd | zakkm: well, you're running in fromt of the train, this shot is just the very beginning :) | 00:47 |
| lbt | so I don't (sadly) tick steak every trip | 00:47 |
| zakkm | i didnt see it that way | 00:47 |
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| lbt | it's actually a great reminder too | 00:48 |
| lbt | but it's not right for everyone :) | 00:48 |
| wazd | lbt: and talking bout your current "general view" - I'v dome saME THING BUT WITH "MINIMIZE CATEGORY" OPTION | 00:49 |
| wazd | oh sht | 00:49 |
| lbt | paff | 00:49 |
| wazd | lbt: and btw, I have shopper crashing very often :( | 00:50 |
| lbt | really? | 00:50 |
| lbt | it *never* crashes here | 00:50 |
| lbt | (apart from when I'm developing) | 00:50 |
| zakkm | isnt that such a developer thing to say :D | 00:50 |
| zakkm | it never crashes for developers ;p | 00:50 |
| lbt | true | 00:50 |
| wazd | lbt: maybe that's because I haven't installed Qt separately | 00:50 |
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| zakkm | its a joke. | 00:50 |
| wazd | lbt: it it crashes on rich variety of my actions :) | 00:51 |
| lbt | that's really odd | 00:51 |
| lbt | I use it a lot and it has been months since it crashed | 00:52 |
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| wazd | lbt: I think I've traced one crash | 00:52 |
| lbt | can you id the actions? | 00:52 |
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| lbt | I suspect there is a problem with single quotes ' | 00:52 |
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| wazd | lbt: it crashes often when i'm tapping on the scrollbar in general view | 00:52 |
| wazd | lbt: yep, I can repeat the bug :) | 00:53 |
| lbt | does finger scrolling work? | 00:53 |
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| wazd | lbt: oh, does it have fingerscrolling?)) | 00:53 |
| lbt | what version are you using? | 00:53 |
| lbt | 0.3.? | 00:54 |
| lbt | and are you on diablo? | 00:54 |
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| wazd | lbt: well, it works, but slightly wierd | 00:55 |
| wazd | lbt: it starts to scroll smooth but then jumps to the top/bottom | 00:55 |
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| lbt | it has a kinetic setup - so it keeps moving after you let go | 00:56 |
| lbt | it detects how quick you're moving when you let go | 00:56 |
| lbt | and keeps that speed | 00:57 |
| lcuk | unless theres a glitch in the matrix and it gets adjecent position/time indicators and thinks it has to move 9million pixels per seconds | 01:00 |
| lcuk | (which used to happen with my old algo :D) | 01:00 |
| lbt | yep, I do velocity averaging | 01:02 |
| lbt | I'm just genuinely surprised that it's crashing | 01:02 |
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| lcuk | same here actuallythe onl | 01:02 |
| lcuk | -the onl | 01:03 |
| lcuk | i just found a new way to paste | 01:03 |
| lcuk | and im not quite sure how i did it :| | 01:03 |
| lbt | middle click? | 01:03 |
| lcuk | mmm shift+insert | 01:03 |
| lbt | yep | 01:04 |
| * lcuk raises an eyebrow | 01:04 | |
| lbt | vnc | 01:04 |
| lcuk | ive never pressed that combo accidentally before, im still not sure how | 01:04 |
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| Stskeeps | evening andre | 01:40 |
| andre___ | ahoj Stskeeps | 01:40 |
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| wazd | lbt: still around?) | 01:51 |
| lbt | yes | 01:51 |
| wazd | lbt: http://i061.radikal.ru/0904/44/64bb740f5137.png | 01:51 |
| wazd | lbt: the idea is to divide app into 2 modes: shopping and editting | 01:52 |
| lbt | yes | 01:52 |
| lbt | eg in editing the 'categories' are alphabetic.. | 01:52 |
| wazd | lbt: and "quick add" is for, well, quick addition :) | 01:52 |
| lbt | in shopping they are ordered according to the supermarket layout | 01:53 |
| wazd | lbt: for example, your wife calls you while you're shopping and telling to add something new to the list | 01:53 |
| bef0rd | That list looks pretty | 01:54 |
| wazd | lbt: instead of digging thru categories and stuff you simply type it and it appeates under "quick added" category | 01:54 |
| wazd | appears* | 01:54 |
| lbt | I see | 01:54 |
| lbt | isn't it a rare use-case to spend that much screen-space on though? | 01:55 |
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| lcuk | "Finish shopping and pay" | 01:55 |
| lcuk | "cash or card" | 01:55 |
| lcuk | "please insert coins in the slot" | 01:55 |
| wazd | lbt: well, better have it clearly visible cause it's an emergency item :) | 01:55 |
| lcuk | "please take your change. the receipt is dispensed at the slot below the screen" :P | 01:55 |
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| wazd | lbt: and agait, what else can you have on that screen?) | 01:56 |
| wazd | again* | 01:56 |
| wazd | I think I'm getting sleepy :) | 01:56 |
| lbt | http://shopper.garage.maemo.org/Shopper-out.png | 01:57 |
| lbt | (me too) | 01:57 |
| smackpotato | tear question. it there any way to tweek the d pad so it does page-down instead of scroll | 01:57 |
| lcuk | that text entry should be there, but it should be a filter ;) | 01:57 |
| lcuk | yes smackpotato, theres a deb for it and other things | 01:58 |
| lbt | it probably makes sense to remove the drop-down when you're "out shopping" | 01:58 |
| wazd | lbt: well, I don't think that you will still need category switcher when you'll add a minimizer | 01:58 |
| lbt | especially now there are collapseable categories | 01:58 |
| smackpotato | cool | 01:58 |
| lbt | yes - minimiser | 01:58 |
| wazd | lbt: true | 01:58 |
| wazd | ok, all for today, see ya tomorrow guys :) | 01:59 |
| lbt | cheers wazd - food for thought there | 02:00 |
| lbt | <grin> | 02:00 |
| wazd | I'll think about some cool ideas while sleep :) | 02:00 |
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| lcuk | smackpotato, http://www.internettablettalk.com/forums/showthread.php?t=12479 | 02:00 |
| lcuk | i think anyway | 02:00 |
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| lcuk | mmm seems outdated, thats late 2007, theres a different one with a .deb | 02:02 |
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| lbt | g'night all | 02:15 |
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| newbie-jen | Hi, anyone mind offering some help to a new n810 user? | 02:36 |
| neatojones | what do you need help with? | 02:37 |
| newbie-jen | Things don't install, complaining about libhildonfm2 | 02:38 |
| Stskeeps | make sure you have your tablet upgraded to latest version, first | 02:38 |
| Stskeeps | ~flashing | 02:38 |
| infobot | [flashing] http://wiki.maemo.org/Updating_the_tablet_firmware | 02:38 |
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| newbie-jen | also pre-installed-documentaion-rx44 is missing, so i cant install the "0s2008 feature upgrade" | 02:40 |
| newbie-jen | maybe flashing fexes both | 02:40 |
| lcuk | is it a new n810 you have? | 02:40 |
| lcuk | or second hand? | 02:40 |
| newbie-jen | new | 02:40 |
| newbie-jen | out of box today | 02:41 |
| lcuk | flash it anyway :) always best to have it on the latest version of the firmware | 02:41 |
| neatojones | It's the best time to flash it if you just got it. | 02:42 |
| newbie-jen | guess so - reading how.... | 02:42 |
| neatojones | Once you start using and customizing it, it'll be more of a pain (due to lost time) | 02:42 |
| newbie-jen | You can tell this this is more PC then phone - sofware broken out of ox! | 02:45 |
| StsN800 | heh, prolly just a chinook artefact | 02:46 |
| newbie-jen | is there a way to see what firmewhere you have? | 02:48 |
| StsN800 | about product in control panel | 02:50 |
| newbie-jen | version 4.2008.30-2 | 02:51 |
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| StsN800 | ok, so 4.1.1 | 02:54 |
| StsN800 | i would recommend flashing to 5.2008.43-7 | 02:55 |
| newbie-jen | ok | 02:56 |
| StsN800 | bbl | 02:56 |
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| newbie-jen | i'm ganna head of to bed - cheers for the suggestion! | 02:57 |
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| Macer | Stskeeps: forgot to wipe the n800.. i'm doing it now.. and boxing it ;) | 04:16 |
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| b-man | hello | 04:20 |
| * b-man has been working on his new linux distribution Plawzix for the last week :P | 04:23 | |
| b-man | it's opkg based :) | 04:24 |
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| neatojones | Plawzix? | 04:24 |
| b-man | yup - i'm buiilding a new distribution | 04:25 |
| neatojones | hmm. | 04:25 |
| neatojones | from openembedded? | 04:25 |
| neatojones | based | 04:25 |
| neatojones | ? | 04:25 |
| b-man | kinda | 04:25 |
| neatojones | I wish ubuntu could use opkg | 04:25 |
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| ShadowJK | kinda? | 04:25 |
| neatojones | so many things have already been packaged for Angstrom etc. | 04:25 |
| b-man | i built the base os from raw sourcecode | 04:26 |
| b-man | using LFS | 04:27 |
| Macer | wtf | 04:27 |
| b-man | XD | 04:27 |
| Macer | this bootmenu crap won't let me use the normal usb flash program? | 04:27 |
| Macer | you still just hold the swap key and turn it on right? | 04:27 |
| ShadowJK | b-man: thhis the point where you say 'told u i was hardcore'? | 04:30 |
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| b-man | :) | 04:30 |
| b-man | you can do anything if you put your mind to it ;) | 04:31 |
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| Macer | heh | 04:31 |
| * b-man needs to figure out how he can convert nit-bootmenu-compat to be compatible with Plawzix's unique BSD/LSB sysvinit hybrid system | 04:32 | |
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| Macer | well.. rm -rf ~/.* :) that seems to have done the trick | 04:33 |
| b-man | lol | 04:34 |
| b-man | btw, i built the entire os on my tablet using gcc on my ubuntu install XD | 04:34 |
| Macer | you should have used opensolaris | 04:35 |
| Macer | with zfs | 04:35 |
| Macer | then that would be cool :) | 04:35 |
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| b-man | ~seen xnt | 04:43 |
| infobot | xnt <n=xnt@pool-96-232-136-40.nycmny.fios.verizon.net> was last seen on IRC in channel #maemo, 10d 1h 25m 18s ago, saying: 'this thing won't boot off of my usb :P'. | 04:43 |
| b-man | :P | 04:44 |
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| * b-man loves how fast opkg installs and configures packages - it runs about 15x faster than dpkg and apt and uses less ram/cpu :) | 05:08 | |
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| ShadowJK | it makes me feel much more nervous than with dpkg/apt though :) | 05:12 |
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| * b-man mostly uses opkg because he wanted a relyable replacement for apt that would not entirely alter his base os and would be fast - i was experimenting with RPM, but it kept erroring out with random error codes and i was considering Portage from Gentoo, but it was way too large, had lots of dependences, wasn't verry stable, and it took too long to install packages to be productive on an embedded system | 05:18 | |
| Macer | b-man: make an osol that can boot on an n800 :) | 05:19 |
| b-man | osol? | 05:19 |
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| Macer | opensolaris | 05:20 |
| b-man | shure :) | 05:20 |
| Macer | haha | 05:20 |
| Macer | cmon.. with zfs you can raid the internal and external sd :) | 05:20 |
| b-man | can it build with gcc? XD | 05:20 |
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| b-man | :) | 05:21 |
| Macer | hm. don't know to tell you the truth | 05:21 |
| Macer | Stskeeps: you're all boxed up and ready to go. just have to make it to the PO :) | 05:21 |
| Macer | can't wait to see how long a pkg takes to get to denmark using the usps | 05:21 |
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| phosphoricx | I have a strange problem, my app (written in python) crashes 2 minutes after I launch it from the menu. However when I run it from the shell (through SSH) it does not. I installed syslog and it doesn't give me anything useful. Any ideas? | 05:36 |
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| phosphoricx | doh! | 05:47 |
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| b-man | 'nokia770-init - 1.0-r6.1 - Version 1.0-r6 of package nokia770-init' | 05:51 |
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| anders_gud | Hello! Is the Mer bootmenu able to boot a cloned diablo on the external card of a n810? | 10:45 |
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| anders_gud | tried both the ${EXT_CARD}p2 .item version and plain mmcblk.. | 10:46 |
| qwerty12 | anders_gud, yep. It does what fanoush's bootmenu can do - just the only difference is it uses item files | 10:46 |
| anders_gud | strange - it boots the ext card and reboots after a short while - no desktop is loaded... | 10:47 |
| StsN800 | anders_gud, http://wiki.maemo.org/Mer/Documentation/Bootmenu | 10:48 |
| anders_gud | ok - maybe just a typo then... i'll try again | 10:53 |
| StsN800 | prolly rw instead of ro | 10:54 |
| StsN800 | remember to refresh_bootmenu.d | 10:54 |
| StsN800 | prolly ro instead of rw i mean | 10:55 |
| anders_gud | yes it works :-) TYPO! | 10:55 |
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| anders_gud | you were right ro, never cut and paste without reading - stupid me... | 10:57 |
| anders_gud | mer 0.11 testing3 here we go... | 10:58 |
| anders_gud | thanks! Bye | 10:59 |
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| prometoys | hi, can me someone recommend a texteditor for the consolo, but smaller then vim? | 11:19 |
| qwerty12 | printf, echo, sed, cat | 11:20 |
| prometoys | or a vim, which is smaller then the one from extras | 11:20 |
| zakkm | nano? | 11:20 |
| * Stskeeps likes joe but it isn't ported, just have a deb on my web space | 11:21 | |
| prometoys | nano would be cool, but it's not in the repositories | 11:21 |
| zakkm | its not? | 11:21 |
| zakkm | i have it somehow? | 11:21 |
| zakkm | are you sure ? | 11:21 |
| prometoys | from where. | 11:21 |
| qwerty12 | prometoys, search nano on http://maemo.org/development/tools/ | 11:21 |
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| qwerty12 | But, enjoy, it has a nice habit sometimes of segfaulting when searching. | 11:22 |
| zakkm | nano is awesome :D | 11:22 |
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| prometoys | oh, i didnt know the tools repro, thanks | 11:28 |
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| Jaffa | Morning, all | 11:39 |
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| Jaffa | lbt: python2.5 is installed, but the default is still 2.4 | 11:39 |
| Jaffa | lbt: /usr/local/bin/osc now exists and should be higher on your path | 11:40 |
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| wazd | hello world | 11:45 |
| qwerty12 | hi wazd | 11:45 |
| Stskeeps | morning wazd | 11:46 |
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| lcuk | \o | 11:49 |
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| lbt | 'lo all | 12:15 |
| lbt | Jaffa - thanks - I dug around and hacked ~/bin/osc to #! the right python | 12:16 |
| lbt | and last night I uploaded Mer0.11 to OBS in only a few minutes vs at least a day from my ADSL | 12:16 |
| lbt | so incredibly useful | 12:16 |
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| Jaffa | lbt: cool | 12:36 |
| Jaffa | lbt: I just hacked /usr/bin/osc -> /usr/local/bin/osc, so you did the same as me ;-) | 12:36 |
| lbt | :) | 12:36 |
| lbt | lbt@badger:~$ git | 12:36 |
| lbt | -bash: git: command not found | 12:36 |
| lbt | :( | 12:36 |
| * lbt hides | 12:37 | |
| lcuk | quick, theres a git hiding! | 12:37 |
| * lbt pops out and slaps the northerner | 12:37 | |
| Jaffa | Gah, apt really doesn't like the declared python dependency on osc | 12:38 |
| Jaffa | I'm going to have to uninstall osc and reinstall it a different way | 12:38 |
| lbt | it's working fine | 12:38 |
| lbt | or is it causing probs elsewhere? | 12:38 |
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| Jaffa | apt is having a hissy fit, and so won't install git | 12:42 |
| Jaffa | Right. git in | 12:42 |
| Jaffa | osc back in until I can solve it | 12:43 |
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| qwerty12 | Would anyone consider http://pastebin.com/d3cce9934 "dirty"? :) | 12:52 |
| Stskeeps | that better not be ascii goatse.. | 12:52 |
| qwerty12 | Lol, if you want, I can make it so? :) | 12:53 |
| Stskeeps | qwerty12: i'd personally use 'touch' | 12:53 |
| Stskeeps | but that's just me | 12:53 |
| Jaffa | ditto | 12:53 |
| Stskeeps | but otherwise, no, it's not dirty | 12:53 |
| Stskeeps | code wise | 12:53 |
| Stskeeps | :P | 12:53 |
| qwerty12 | Ok, thanks | 12:54 |
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| t_s_o | http://icanhascheezburger.com/2009/04/04/funny-pictures-oooh-piece-of-fud/ <- marketing, microsoft style? | 12:55 |
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| rzr | http://mobile.slashdot.org/article.pl?sid=09/04/04/228240&art_pos=2 | 13:10 |
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| Stskeeps | yeah, i read a couple of days ago | 13:12 |
| lcuk | lbt, git-core is what i need on my device isnt it? | 13:13 |
| thux | why it stopped, lack of buyers? | 13:14 |
| Stskeeps | thux: bad management of product, imho | 13:14 |
| lcuk | direction, momentum etc | 13:14 |
| Stskeeps | yeah, - direction switching constantly | 13:14 |
| thux | ok | 13:14 |
| qwerty12 | the GTA01 sucked balls and it had nothing that would make me for it over a symbian phone? | 13:14 |
| qwerty12 | s/me/me go/ | 13:14 |
| infobot | qwerty12 meant: the GTA01 sucked balls and it had nothing that would make me go for it over a symbian phone? | 13:14 |
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| Stskeeps | you're really better off taking a beagleboard schematic these days, heh | 13:15 |
| lcuk | i would quite like to get an openmoko to use the telephony module | 13:16 |
| lbt | lcuk: yes git-core | 13:16 |
| lcuk | thanks lbt :) it was already coming in but good to confirm | 13:16 |
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| lcuk | academic interest really: liqbase running on x86 http://liqbase.net/libliqbase_x86.AVI | 13:17 |
| crashanddie | lmao rzr, one of the comments in that story: http://mobile.slashdot.org/comments.pl?sid=1188191&cid=27461923 | 13:18 |
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| qwerty12 | Wow, people get so hard over licenses? Retards. | 13:19 |
| crashanddie | I don't know if "hard" is the correct word here | 13:20 |
| Stskeeps | it's slashdot.. | 13:20 |
| Stskeeps | :P | 13:20 |
| crashanddie | anyone getting "hard" over software licenses should be shot | 13:21 |
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| crashanddie | http://hardware.slashdot.org/article.pl?sid=09/04/05/0029211&from=rss | 13:24 |
| glass | how stupid is that ac | 13:24 |
| glass | it's just a troll | 13:24 |
| glass | android open and bsd, "hahahaha" | 13:24 |
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| b0unc3 | good morning | 13:49 |
| lcuk | \o | 13:51 |
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| wazd | lbt: ping? | 14:11 |
| wazd | lbt: http://s47.radikal.ru/i115/0904/ad/c36726226e91.png <- my initial thoughts bout list editting/creation. gtg now, bbl | 14:12 |
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| * Stskeeps glances at scrollback and ponders what sane person would do LFS for tablets. | 14:25 | |
| aquatix | well | 14:26 |
| aquatix | are there sane persons at all doing LFS? | 14:26 |
| Stskeeps | point taken | 14:26 |
| aquatix | they might think they're the only one being sane though :) | 14:27 |
| lopz | hola | 14:39 |
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| mavhc | that's the big clue you're mad | 14:45 |
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| aquatix | mavhc: ah, that explains some matters with me... | 14:47 |
| mavhc | however if they think you're mad, fail, and eventually do what do you, you're a genius | 14:47 |
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| Stskeeps | 'lo milhouse | 14:57 |
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| milhouse | hi | 15:04 |
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| * RST38h moos | 15:30 | |
| Stskeeps | moo, RST38h | 15:31 |
| RST38h | Sts: How are things? | 15:31 |
| Stskeeps | nice and slow, sitting and writing a control panel applet guide | 15:33 |
| Stskeeps | think 0.11 image is nice and baked, even with a load of known issues | 15:34 |
| * RST38h can't release the new AlmostTI due to that stupid ssh key problem | 15:34 | |
| RST38h | Sts: btw, using background highlight instead of that ugly "ear" for the active task was a really good idea | 15:36 |
| RST38h | Sts: If I can make a suggestion, make that background highlight circular and increase icon brightness =) | 15:36 |
| Stskeeps | hehe.. we'll see :) we have a problem with the marquee background atm | 15:37 |
| RST38h | While this does not fix the overal ugliness of the task manager in Mer, at least it makes it a bit less ugly | 15:37 |
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| Stskeeps | http://wiki.maemo.org/Image:Mer0.11_Xterm.png | 15:39 |
| Stskeeps | i am really pissed that the rightmost thing didn't go rightmost.. i don't understand how | 15:39 |
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| RST38h | Sts: which rightmost thing? the microphone-like circle-in-semicircle? | 15:42 |
| Stskeeps | yeah | 15:43 |
| Stskeeps | the task switcher / close app | 15:43 |
| RST38h | WHOA! DPUT WORKED! | 15:44 |
| aquatix | isn't there some invisible thing/widget preventing that? | 15:44 |
| Stskeeps | hmm? | 15:44 |
| Stskeeps | not sure, but the preceeding elements should add up to leaving space for that | 15:45 |
| RST38h | Sts: Probably fixable, just some spot where dimension is taken from an incorrect widget field | 15:45 |
| RST38h | Sts: But there is something else I see in this picture | 15:45 |
| RST38h | Sts: the scrollbar in xterm is shifted to the left a bit, that is #1 | 15:46 |
| Stskeeps | yeah, i noticed | 15:46 |
| Stskeeps | i have it as known issues, i wonder what causes it | 15:46 |
| RST38h | Sts: And #2: why do you start showing status icons from some seemingly hardwired position in the title bar? It seems logical to order them from the right side and shift them to the left as new ones appear | 15:46 |
| Stskeeps | RST38h: i need to make some kind of unified statusbar container and app switcher | 15:47 |
| Stskeeps | that's mostly why :P | 15:47 |
| RST38h | hmm? | 15:47 |
| RST38h | Oh you mean it is still the old code that shows them from where the title ends? | 15:47 |
| Stskeeps | as in, there's preset space for tray icons and for applications open | 15:47 |
| Stskeeps | and yes, tray icons should be right-justified | 15:48 |
| Stskeeps | going right-to-left | 15:48 |
| RST38h | The preset space policy should favor status icons | 15:48 |
| Stskeeps | i was going to do it but feature freeze hit, so :) | 15:49 |
| RST38h | i.e. if there are too many status icons they are still shown bu some task icons disappear | 15:49 |
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| Stskeeps | maybe | 15:49 |
| Stskeeps | in either case, they're two different containers atm | 15:49 |
| Stskeeps | should really be one unified | 15:49 |
| RST38h | yea | 15:50 |
| * RST38h is writing a new Downloads blurb for ati85 1.3 | 15:50 | |
| * Stskeeps grins over the "how to disable modest and it's demon process" | 15:52 | |
| RST38h | Hehe, seen that, and mentally added browserd to the bunch | 15:53 |
| aquatix | :) | 15:53 |
| RST38h | Shit, Maemo.org downloads editing is broken | 15:54 |
| RST38h | Can't submit updates | 15:54 |
| RST38h | Why should this damn web site ALWAYS be so broken? | 15:54 |
| qwerty12_N800 | it's going blank after submitting? | 15:56 |
| RST38h | No, it 404s tryinfg to submit my page as /OS2007/ati85 | 15:56 |
| RST38h | Why OS2007? Who knows... | 15:56 |
| RST38h | It did make changes to the proper OS2008/ati85 page though, so the new ati85 should appear at the web site in a few minutes | 15:57 |
| qwerty12_N800 | ran into that twice but the page should have updated :/ | 15:57 |
| qwerty12_N800 | yeah | 15:57 |
| RST38h | But, thanks for that anagram program =) | 15:58 |
| * RST38h loves this kind of stuff | 15:58 | |
| qwerty12_N800 | :) | 15:58 |
| Macer | yawn. | 16:00 |
| Macer | Stskeeps: going to send out this n800 for sure tomorrow ;) | 16:00 |
| Macer | have it ina nice little box and everything | 16:00 |
| Stskeeps | Macer: hehe, alright | 16:00 |
| Stskeeps | testing mer on my tablet is notoriously horrible atm | 16:00 |
| Stskeeps | i have to play wack-a-mole to hit things | 16:01 |
| Macer | haha | 16:01 |
| Macer | well.. hopefully this thing helps | 16:01 |
| Macer | it's just the n800 with the 2 stylus pens | 16:01 |
| Stskeeps | *nod* | 16:01 |
| Stskeeps | i have charger and all that jazz so | 16:01 |
| Stskeeps | even an american one, heh | 16:01 |
| Macer | ok.. well... i guess this will be a good test of our united states postal service's international shipping :) | 16:01 |
| Macer | i wonder if they are going to send it on a ship | 16:02 |
| Stskeeps | nah, airplane probably | 16:02 |
| qwerty12_N800 | batmobile | 16:02 |
| Macer | i know in iraq things would take about a month or so to get to me | 16:02 |
| Macer | but then again it had to go through military mail also | 16:02 |
| RST38h | Macer: Are you in Iraq, or going to? =) | 16:03 |
| Macer | RST38h: no.. i already went | 16:03 |
| RST38h | Oh | 16:03 |
| Macer | twice ;) | 16:03 |
| Macer | second time i went over on a ship.. but we stopped at hawaii. singapore. maldives. aus. uhm.. india.. then kuwait to iraq | 16:04 |
| Macer | india was such a disgusting place | 16:05 |
| * RST38h can imagine, after reading a few books and seeing a few photos | 16:05 | |
| Macer | if you took the WORST.. most disgusting new york city ghetto .. and multiplied it by 20 | 16:05 |
| Macer | you would have india | 16:05 |
| RST38h | Some of those photos can be used as a wiki illustration for the "fucking shit" idiom | 16:06 |
| Macer | there were women literally on the streets trying to sell you their babies... rats and garbage everywhere. starving children... it was just disgusting | 16:06 |
| Macer | one woman took a baby and threw it in the middle of the street crying.. it was surreal | 16:06 |
| RST38h | Macer: http://www.sfsite.com/04a/kali30.htm | 16:06 |
| Stskeeps | welcome to the very real scenario of overpopulation | 16:06 |
| RST38h | Yep | 16:07 |
| * RST38h experienced a very very mild version of this when he went to TW | 16:07 | |
| Macer | well.. i personally don't see any reason why someone wold willingly go to india | 16:07 |
| Macer | i wouldn't even want a job in that shithole | 16:08 |
| RST38h | Macer: what if it were the only job available? | 16:08 |
| Macer | then i will take my chances in the woods living off the land | 16:08 |
| Macer | :) | 16:08 |
| RST38h | BTW, lots of Brits went there of patriotism alone in XIX century | 16:08 |
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| Macer | i have to change my logos in zimbra soon | 16:10 |
| Macer | found out a lot of things i never knew about it.. although i'm pretty pissed about hte internal web client im | 16:10 |
| Macer | that doesn't let you stick windows in the im tab alone.. they go all over the place.. it's irritating | 16:10 |
| Macer | i guess it uses jive | 16:10 |
| RST38h | well, it is ajax, so what did you expect? | 16:11 |
| Macer | well.. that's not it... they had it in a previous version | 16:11 |
| RST38h | Hmmm | 16:11 |
| Macer | and got rid of it! :) talk about taking a step backwards | 16:11 |
| Macer | the im windows would stay in the im tab unless you clicked on a "pin" button | 16:11 |
| Macer | then they would follow you into other tabs.. it was pretty nice | 16:11 |
| Macer | and they eliminated that feature.. wtf? | 16:12 |
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| * RST38h believes in PHP as the sole solution for all web needs | 16:15 | |
| RST38h | All these zimbras, drupals, wikis, and other whatevers just exist for the purpose of their own existance | 16:16 |
| Macer | hm.. tmobile is atting me | 16:18 |
| Macer | :) | 16:18 |
| Macer | i keep losing my 3G | 16:18 |
| Macer | maybe i should put it in edge mode to not piss them off as much | 16:18 |
| RST38h | will start atting you at a slower rate then =) | 16:18 |
| Macer | haha | 16:20 |
| Macer | ah well.. i'm going to take a nap anyways.. ttyl | 16:20 |
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| RST38h | gnight | 16:20 |
| RST38h | or g'day (after checking the clock) | 16:21 |
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| Corsac | hmmh, with what tool can I use a maemo mapper track file? | 16:41 |
| GAN800 | It's just gpx. So, just about anything. | 16:42 |
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| Stskeeps | GAN800: what are typical control panels we've been missing? i mean, boot menu for sure, but others? | 16:43 |
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| GAN800 | Stskeeps, most of them? | 16:44 |
| GAN800 | Mer has, what, Panels? | 16:44 |
| lcuk | control panel/* | 16:44 |
| Stskeeps | well, i was talking about community control panels in maemo | 16:44 |
| GAN800 | Ah | 16:44 |
| GAN800 | Damn, no more battery | 16:45 |
| GAN800 | Not a whole lot is missing, but most of Nokia's panels need to be replaced wholesale | 16:45 |
| GAN800 | They're all underfeatured | 16:45 |
| Stskeeps | *nod* | 16:46 |
| lcuk | underfeatured is fine as long as all the features work as advertised | 16:47 |
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| Corsac | GAN800: “anything” isn't really helpful :) | 16:51 |
| Corsac | but viking seems to be nice | 16:52 |
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| Corsac | except downloading all map tiles along the track at zoom 128 made the laptop crash :/ | 17:02 |
| RST38h | BTW, does Battle Of Wesnoth install to a memory card? | 17:04 |
| RST38h | qwerty: this may be portable and even playable: http://www.happypenguin.org/show?DROD | 17:11 |
| RST38h | Also this: http://www.happypenguin.org/show?Escape | 17:13 |
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| Corsac | scummVM works fine on the device too | 17:15 |
| qwerty12_N800 | RST38h: you're the programmer :) | 17:15 |
| RST38h | qwerty: But I am too lazy / lacking time to port this stuff =) | 17:15 |
| * RST38h would really LOVE this: http://retrospec.sgn.net/games/hoh/screenshots.html but the sources are not available | 17:16 | |
| RST38h | There is a Speccy version though | 17:16 |
| RST38h | "KSame: ppypenguin.org/show?DROD | 17:18 |
| RST38h | eh | 17:18 |
| RST38h | KSame: A little game about balls and how to get rid of them | 17:18 |
| lcuk | qwerty12_N800, i love head over heels :) | 17:21 |
| lcuk | RST38h, even | 17:21 |
| lcuk | its the same engine batman was wrote in | 17:21 |
| lcuk | did you ever get them together? | 17:21 |
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| joyrider | weee skin support is working : http://users.telenet.be/IMS/N810/skinsworking.swf.html :) | 17:26 |
| Myrtti | *yawn* | 17:26 |
| Stskeeps | morning Myrtti | 17:27 |
| * lcuk passes Myrtti an iced tea and bowl of cornflakes | 17:29 | |
| Myrtti | oh, I had a lovely English brunch in bed at noon :-) | 17:31 |
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| lcuk | nice | 17:35 |
| lcuk | i like to visit little cafes | 17:35 |
| lcuk | and order the most complex thing i can that takes 4 hours and blocks up the griddle over the entire dinnertime rush ;) (joke!) | 17:36 |
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| Stskeeps | wb anders_gud | 17:49 |
| anders_gud | Hi! Does the tarred Mer rootfs expect a swap partition or file somewhere? Or is it enough just to extract it on a partition and point the .item file there? | 17:54 |
| Stskeeps | the latter | 17:55 |
| Stskeeps | it's good to have a swap partition though | 17:55 |
| anders_gud | Ok! I'll try it out... | 17:56 |
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| Stskeeps | it needs a special item though, with ITEM_LINUXRC and ,ro but i guess you know that one | 17:57 |
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| anders_gud | Ok - booting now... Thanks Stskeeps! | 18:03 |
| anders_gud | Nice! | 18:03 |
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| wazd | I'm back :) | 18:04 |
| Stskeeps | wb | 18:08 |
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| GeneralAntilles | Corsac, OK, Google Earth. | 18:10 |
| fuzzybunny | hello | 18:10 |
| GeneralAntilles | Wee, brightness keys suddenly stopped working. | 18:10 |
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| Stskeeps | GeneralAntilles: a mini 9 isn't touch is it, btw? | 18:11 |
| fuzzybunny | hi, could anyone help me with a problem I have? | 18:11 |
| GeneralAntilles | Stskeeps, I paid under $300. ;) | 18:12 |
| Stskeeps | true, true | 18:12 |
| GeneralAntilles | I keep thinking it's touch, though, and reaching for the screen | 18:12 |
| fuzzybunny | plz? | 18:12 |
| GeneralAntilles | The N800 training is deep | 18:12 |
| GeneralAntilles | fuzzybunny, DATA | 18:12 |
| fuzzybunny | what? | 18:13 |
| GeneralAntilles | Don't Ask To Ask | 18:13 |
| Stskeeps | GeneralAntilles: when i had my mertop going, i occasionally caught myself trying to get it to respond through the laptop screen.. | 18:13 |
| fuzzybunny | I just need some help with a problem | 18:13 |
| GeneralAntilles | fuzzybunny, nobody is telepathic here, so we can't decide if we're able to help until we know what the problem is. | 18:14 |
| GeneralAntilles | So ask away. | 18:14 |
| qwerty12 | Yes, we gathered that. What we didn't gather was what your problem is. | 18:14 |
| Stskeeps | fuzzybunny: when you call 911, do you ask "can you come and help me"? no, you state what the problem is | 18:14 |
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| fuzzybunny_443 | sorry i unexpectedly quit | 18:16 |
| fuzzybunny_443 | my problem has to do with installing ubuntu on my mac mini | 18:16 |
| qwerty12 | #ubuntu | 18:16 |
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| fuzzybunny_443 | when I installed it, I made a partition but ended up not using it | 18:17 |
| GeneralAntilles | Yes, that sounds like a big problem | 18:17 |
| Stskeeps | oh, right, i have fuzzybunny_* on ignore | 18:17 |
| GeneralAntilles | But probably not for the reasons you'd think. | 18:17 |
| fuzzybunny_443 | i used boot camp if you want to know | 18:17 |
| GeneralAntilles | Anyway, fuzzybunny_443, you want #ubuntu | 18:17 |
| fuzzybunny_443 | after i installed ubuntu on another partition, my mac wouldn't boot to mac | 18:18 |
| RST38h | lcuk: Returning to the last topic, yes, it is Jon Ritman's stuff, remade under Linux | 18:18 |
| RST38h | lcuk: I think there is a remake of Batman as well | 18:19 |
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| fuzzybunny_443 | It thinks that the partition that i previously made but did not use is the hard drive | 18:19 |
| Corsac | GeneralAntilles: I viking works fine, though | 18:19 |
| fuzzybunny_443 | i can only boot to the live ubuntu disk | 18:19 |
| RST38h | lcuk: Would be real cool on the tablet, once equipped with the proper touch screen control (i.e. skewed cross covering whole n8x0 screen) | 18:19 |
| lcuk | RST38h, excellent! | 18:19 |
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| lcuk | agreed rst :) I played those for hours | 18:20 |
| RST38h | lcuk: Two problems though: 1) sources not available 2) my time not available =( | 18:20 |
| lcuk | ive got more than half a lifetime left, and its still available in spectrum format | 18:20 |
| RST38h | yea | 18:20 |
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| RST38h | speccy game works like a charm on the emulator but it has got worse pictures and weird controls | 18:21 |
| fuzzybunny_443 | when im on ubuntu, i can see all of my stuff on the hard drive but when i go into disk util on the osx, it reads it as free space | 18:21 |
| RST38h | (once mapped to the tablet screen that is) | 18:21 |
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| lcuk | yeah, and its always good to see porting projects - they take their time to rise but it will happen | 18:21 |
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| * lcuk doesnt understand WHY some ports are made though ;) | 18:22 | |
| fuzzybunny_247 | I really need help!!!!!!!!!!!! | 18:22 |
| fuzzybunny_247 | GeneralAntillies: do you think u could help me? It would be really great. | 18:24 |
| RST38h | Deflector x4 sources are available: http://retrospec.sgn.net/users/ignacio/dfli.htm#des | 18:24 |
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| fuzzybunny_247 | I know i am not nearly as knowledgeable as you | 18:25 |
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| fuzzybunny_247 | never mind i have to go | 18:26 |
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| fuzzybunny_247 | bye | 18:26 |
| lbt | any reason I have 2 browserd and 4 maemo-launcher processed? | 18:28 |
| Stskeeps | normal | 18:28 |
| Stskeeps | maemo-launcher actually covers actual processes | 18:28 |
| lbt | I don't pay much attention normally - need to prep music for Denise's surgery tomorrow... | 18:29 |
| qwerty12 | run "cat /proc/<pidof particular maemo-launcher>/cmdline" to see what it's really running | 18:29 |
| lbt | qwerty12: useful - ta | 18:30 |
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| Jaffa | GeneralAntilles:: good post :) | 19:17 |
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| Stskeeps | heh | 19:18 |
| Stskeeps | didn't know qgil was a moderator now - 10 bucks that'll bring out the conspiracy theorists ;) | 19:19 |
| Stskeeps | (i don't mind.) | 19:19 |
| Jaffa | There's a wiki page with the talk moderators | 19:19 |
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| Stskeeps | yeah, i think i looked at it at some point | 19:19 |
| Stskeeps | GeneralAntilles: ta for shining up 0.11 | 19:20 |
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| Stskeeps | wazd: was in zhilin or zhillin? | 19:30 |
| Stskeeps | it | 19:30 |
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| wazd | Stskeeps: Zhilin :) | 19:55 |
| GeneralAntilles | Stskeeps, what'd I do? | 19:58 |
| thux | some reason bluetooth-audio takes much memory even i don't use it | 19:58 |
| GeneralAntilles | Jaffa, thanks. ;) I wrote up some more but I kind ended up rambling. | 19:58 |
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| Macer | hm. will the new tablet support 1700 3G? | 20:02 |
| ShadowJK | what about 850 and 900?! :D | 20:02 |
| ShadowJK | and hsupa! | 20:02 |
| Stskeeps | GeneralAntilles: fixing up the table | 20:03 |
| fireun | and the teleporter! | 20:03 |
| GeneralAntilles | Oh, sure | 20:03 |
| GeneralAntilles | Just remember to stick class = "wikitable" in your tables. | 20:03 |
| Stskeeps | *nod* | 20:03 |
| GeneralAntilles | Macer, no idea. | 20:03 |
| ShadowJK | I'd suspect it would be similar to what they're doing on the phone side | 20:04 |
| Macer | heh | 20:05 |
| Stskeeps | was the consensus Mer belongs under Alternatives, or Maemo 5 btw? | 20:06 |
| Stskeeps | (i can't recall) | 20:06 |
| Macer | it would be nice if they gave it a slightly larger screen and res | 20:06 |
| qwerty12 | Stskeeps, no idea, but if I'm being honest, Mer in Maemo 5 is a little misleading | 20:07 |
| Macer | maybe smaller speakers on the bottom of a screen flush with the ends | 20:07 |
| Stskeeps | yeah, was my first thought too | 20:07 |
| VDVsx | lcuk, do you remember the "nokia point and find" app, that we talked about in the april's fool day ? | 20:09 |
| GeneralAntilles | Stskeeps, I think it may have to wait until we see what Maemo 5 really looks like. | 20:09 |
| GeneralAntilles | But, for the time being, there isn't a ton of traffic in the Mer forum. | 20:10 |
| GeneralAntilles | That may change once we get a stable user-ready release, though. | 20:10 |
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| Stskeeps | eh, what Mer forum? | 20:10 |
| GeneralAntilles | Well, OK, Mer-threads. | 20:10 |
| Stskeeps | yeah, agree ;) | 20:10 |
| Stskeeps | i'll go for alternatives, think i'll put 0.11 out tonight as i have time for it | 20:10 |
| zakkm | wooh for Mer :D | 20:11 |
| VDVsx | lcuk, seems to be true, lol: http://www.symbian-freak.com/news/009/04/video_intro_of_the_nokias_point_and_find_application.htm | 20:11 |
| qwerty12 | RST38h, can you change your postinst for ati? it's annoying to have to choose where the menu icon should go each time on an upgrade. I like http://pastebin.com/m1f5e475d personally | 20:15 |
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| Stskeeps | qwerty12: think powerlaunch could be used outside hildon? not sure if it just does gtk stuff | 20:18 |
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| qwerty12 | Maybe, I'd class it as more tied to Maemo rather than hildon. But it is linked with hildon in a few places | 20:19 |
| qwerty12 | It'd probably work though if the hildon libraries are there, it was running unthemed when I was first messing with it in mer | 20:20 |
| Stskeeps | qwerty12: yeah, it does that occasionally still (unthemed) | 20:20 |
| qwerty12 | That's a bug in my haste to finish it.. I know what it is and I'll sort that out soon | 20:21 |
| Stskeeps | i'm just thinking once we start doing the DE control panel, that powerlaunch would be a item in Xsession instead, so you could do like "Switch environment" and then choose Hildon or XFCE, etc | 20:21 |
| wazd | lbt: have you checked my mockup? | 20:21 |
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| Stskeeps | and it would warm-boot into XFCE or Hildon | 20:22 |
| Stskeeps | (.. or LXDE, or whatever) | 20:23 |
| Corsac | (Xfce) | 20:26 |
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| lcuk | VDVsx, never thought it was, the fact it was on apr 1 didnt mean anything - its detecting movie posters and a few other things | 20:28 |
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| VDVsx | lcuk, I thought I seen it before, but you put the link inside the april's fool discussion, made me think that was a joke :( | 20:32 |
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| lcuk | VDVsx, its just a tweak on the other regocnition technology thats everywhere | 20:34 |
| lcuk | like this: http://adayinthalifeof.files.wordpress.com/2008/12/nikons60ad.jpg | 20:34 |
| VDVsx | nice technology,lol :) | 20:36 |
| aquatix | hmmm, baconburger | 20:37 |
| * aquatix just had supper | 20:37 | |
| aquatix | lcuk: lol | 20:37 |
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| lcuk | what does facial recognition look for | 20:39 |
| lcuk | it would be good to actually make it for linux if its not already | 20:39 |
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| VDVsx | lcuk, sony have a new (10 MP ??) camera that claims to run linux and have that technology too, dunno if is OSS | 20:42 |
| lcuk | running linux and having its entire software stack in linux is not the same | 20:43 |
| VDVsx | lcuk, http://www.linuxpromagazine.com/online/news/sony_dsc_g3_camera_has_wi_fi_and_linux | 20:43 |
| lcuk | ie tivo | 20:43 |
| ShadowJK | I just had a terrible idea | 20:44 |
| timelE61i | lBt: fwiw, browserd is like maemo-launcher, there's a parent and 1 or more children | 20:44 |
| timelE61i | Typically one for the browser ui client | 20:44 |
| timelE61i | But you could have one for the tutorial | 20:44 |
| ShadowJK | it's not going to be called N900, it will be n-gage 9000 | 20:44 |
| * ShadowJK shudders | 20:44 | |
| timelE61i | Or various other clients | 20:44 |
| aquatix | ShadowJK: *shudder* | 20:45 |
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| timelE61i | n-gage, something everyone wants to forget :) | 20:47 |
| timelE61i | Why not try an ovi-game? | 20:47 |
| aquatix | :) | 20:47 |
| lcuk | nahhhh, it will be OVER 9000! | 20:47 |
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| * timelE61i sighs | 20:49 | |
| * timelE61i grabbed an n800 w/ an empty battery | 20:49 | |
| * aquatix hands timelE61i a nice cup of tea | 20:49 | |
| timelE61i | it doesn't work well as a gtalk client | 20:49 |
| timelE61i | Aquatix: thanks :) | 20:49 |
| * timelE61i sips | 20:49 | |
| aquatix | yw :) | 20:49 |
| aquatix | no charger in the vicinity? | 20:49 |
| timelE61i | nope, i'm waiting for dinner at my standard sunday chinese place | 20:50 |
| * timelE61i sips | 20:50 | |
| Stskeeps | mm | 20:50 |
| Stskeeps | think i'll take the fiancée to a chinese resturant when she's back in the country again | 20:50 |
| timelE61i | Tea is free, and warm, and can actually disolve the sugar | 20:50 |
| timelE61i | There are dozens of chinese restaurants here | 20:51 |
| timelE61i | But only a few japanese | 20:51 |
| aquatix | hm, sugar in chinese tea? | 20:51 |
| aquatix | jasmine tea? | 20:51 |
| timelE61i | lipton yellow label :) | 20:51 |
| aquatix | ah :) | 20:52 |
| timelE61i | The japanese restaurant i was at last week had a nice green tea | 20:52 |
| aquatix | i might have some gold label in a few | 20:52 |
| aquatix | first finish this milkshake :P | 20:52 |
| timelE61i | Anyway, this place has a vegi lunch set | 20:52 |
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| aquatix | aww, no bacon ;) | 20:52 |
| timelE61i | Soup or spring roll + dish + fried banana w/ ice cream | 20:53 |
| aquatix | sounds good | 20:53 |
| timelE61i | But often i have fish instead | 20:53 |
| timelE61i | Rainbow trout :) | 20:53 |
| * timelE61i sips | 20:53 | |
| timelE61i | anyway, thankfully each chinese restaurant is slightly different | 20:54 |
| timelE61i | Although i only frequent one or two | 20:54 |
| aquatix | yeah, same here | 20:54 |
| aquatix | difference is only slight though | 20:54 |
| lcuk | im just about to have sunday roast :) | 20:54 |
| * aquatix had a simple baconburger | 20:55 | |
| aquatix | a rather nice one | 20:55 |
| aquatix | hadn't reached my junkfood quotum for this week yet ;) | 20:55 |
| * timelE61i will have meat wednesday and thursday | 20:55 | |
| timelE61i | probably | 20:55 |
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| * aquatix had some in his macaroni yesterday | 20:56 | |
| timelE61i | But no bread starting wednesdayish for a week | 20:56 |
| aquatix | on some diet? | 20:56 |
| timelE61i | Pesach | 20:56 |
| timelE61i | It's not particularly effective | 20:56 |
| timelE61i | We tend to overcompensate | 20:57 |
| timelE61i | Google it :) | 20:57 |
| * aquatix does | 20:57 | |
| aquatix | ah :) | 20:58 |
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| * aquatix hands timelE61i some Matzo | 20:59 | |
| lbt | wazd: I have thanks :) Bit busy now until wednesday - Denise is having a minor operation on her foot tomorrow so we're sorting things out for that. | 20:59 |
| aquatix | or isn't that the intention :/ | 20:59 |
| aquatix | traditions are confusing | 21:00 |
| timelE61i | my parents shipped me a box, i need to pick it up tomorrow :) | 21:00 |
| aquatix | being an atheist sure made some things easier for me ;) | 21:02 |
| aquatix | s/being/becoming | 21:02 |
| timelE61i | Secular humanist? | 21:03 |
| aquatix | sort of, i guess | 21:03 |
| aquatix | yeah, i think that describes it quite well | 21:04 |
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| timelE61i | what, you aren't a fan of sheep-"flock" metaphors? | 21:09 |
| timelE61i | Even penguins flock :) | 21:09 |
| aquatix | oh yes, i love those sheeple | 21:10 |
| aquatix | i can let them believe all kinds of fun things | 21:10 |
| timelE61i | do you think xians would object more to have evolved from sheep (than monkeys)? | 21:12 |
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| timelE61i | From dust to dust. From sheep to sheep | 21:14 |
| aquatix | timelE61i: interesting question | 21:14 |
| aquatix | ghehe | 21:14 |
| aquatix | well, they always speak of their shepherd | 21:14 |
| Stskeeps | http://internettablettalk.com/forums/showthread.php?t=28105 <- Mer 0.11 release | 21:14 |
| aquatix | but i think the whole evolving part is against believes | 21:14 |
| aquatix | Stskeeps: ooh :) | 21:15 |
| zakkm | Stskeeps: Awesomeeee | 21:15 |
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| timelE61i | btw, did people opin about moblin's move? | 21:17 |
| aquatix | Stskeeps: you didn't find the cause of that button not wanting to go all the way to the right? | 21:17 |
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| Stskeeps | timelE61i: i'm reading it as moblin being abandoned - if there's no community around it already the project will die at the first re-allocation of resources from the intel developers | 21:18 |
| Stskeeps | some of their tech is interesting, obviously | 21:18 |
| timelE61i | open source and ditch? | 21:18 |
| Stskeeps | 'lo b-man | 21:18 |
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| b-man | hay, Stskeeps :) | 21:19 |
| Stskeeps | b-man: .. LFS? dear god, why? :P | 21:19 |
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| Stskeeps | timelE61i: it would have made sense if there was a well established OSS community around it, in a good gesture to give the reigns over to "the community" (manifested in linux foundation).. but i haven't seen anything interface-wise from moblin lately | 21:20 |
| Stskeeps | +interesting | 21:20 |
| lfelipe | zeenix: you there ? | 21:20 |
| b-man | Stskeeps: i thought it would be cool to make a base system from scratch - instead of using someone else's | 21:21 |
| Stskeeps | b-man: true, and it's probably a good lesson | 21:21 |
| b-man | it is indeed :) | 21:21 |
| lfelipe | Stskeeps: the clutter interface is being developed in closed-doors for now I think | 21:21 |
| timelE61i | did openhand ever work w/ moblin? | 21:21 |
| lfelipe | they will probably release something soon, not sure how it will look like though | 21:21 |
| lfelipe | timelE61i: openedhand ? | 21:22 |
| lfelipe | if you're talking about the company, it was acquired by intel last year I thnk | 21:22 |
| b-man | Stskeeps: pluse i'm optimising it for speed and performance | 21:22 |
| * timelE61i nods | 21:22 | |
| b-man | (using opkg instead of dpkg) | 21:23 |
| * RST38h looks for somebody with a real IP address (no NATs) who is willing to test TiLink between two ATI85s | 21:23 | |
| Stskeeps | b-man: package installation is a one time operation | 21:23 |
| b-man | i was using that as an example ;) | 21:24 |
| timelE61i | rst: timeless is a real PoP | 21:24 |
| b-man | but i'm thinking of using e17 from openmoko as a default desktop env | 21:25 |
| Stskeeps | b-man: famous last words | 21:25 |
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| b-man | :) | 21:25 |
| lfelipe | b-man: e17 rules | 21:26 |
| lfelipe | :) | 21:26 |
| b-man | indeed :) | 21:26 |
| timelE61i | Hey, speaking of packages.... | 21:27 |
| * b-man likes the look and performance | 21:27 | |
| timelE61i | Does anyone actually support lsb packages? | 21:27 |
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| Stskeeps | timelE61i: what is that? :P | 21:28 |
| Stskeeps | lsb-release and stuff? | 21:29 |
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| timelE61i | lsb=linux standards base | 21:29 |
| Stskeeps | yeah, just didn't know if they had their own package format | 21:29 |
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| timelE61i | They created lsb-release, but also a packaging "standard" | 21:29 |
| timelE61i | The wonderful thing about standards is there are so many :) | 21:30 |
| timelE61i | "oops" | 21:31 |
| * timelE61i just broke a plastic chopstick | 21:31 | |
| * b-man is using a hybrid LSB/BSD sysvinit system in his new Plawsix os | 21:31 | |
| * timelE61i was listening to something which sounded very much like ghost busters: we ain't afraid of no ghosts | 21:31 | |
| b-man | lol | 21:31 |
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| * b-man also needs to figure out how he can get deblet/mer init scripts working under Plawsix | 21:32 | |
| Stskeeps | b-man: blood sweat and tears | 21:33 |
| b-man | XD | 21:33 |
| qwerty12_N800 | & a sacrifice that is not blood | 21:33 |
| Stskeeps | yeah, vaseline is part of those sacrifices | 21:33 |
| b-man | hehe | 21:34 |
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| * b-man also wants his new distribution to run on multiple devices | 21:35 | |
| befr0d | i though you were going to name it helios | 21:36 |
| befr0d | :P | 21:36 |
| b-man | nope | 21:36 |
| timelE61i | isn't that taken? | 21:36 |
| b-man | Plawsix | 21:36 |
| b-man | Plawsix isn't | 21:36 |
| b-man | :) | 21:36 |
| b-man | hello, z4chh | 21:37 |
| z4chh | hi | 21:38 |
| * b-man 's shot ubuntu install rose from the dead btw XD | 21:41 | |
| b-man | wireless started working again - after 2 months of not being functional | 21:42 |
| lfelipe | btw | 21:43 |
| * b-man installs qemu on his n800 | 21:43 | |
| lfelipe | you guys were talking about moblin, from the moblin mailing list (a guy from intel just replied): | 21:43 |
| slonopotamus | _on_? o_O why? | 21:43 |
| lfelipe | "The same (or actually even a few more) engineers from Intel | 21:43 |
| lfelipe | will continue to work on Moblin. This is much more about making sure | 21:43 |
| lfelipe | there are no misunderstandings around the role that Intel plays in | 21:43 |
| lfelipe | Moblin. " | 21:43 |
| b-man | slonopotamus: just an experiment | 21:44 |
| Stskeeps | b-man: i'd much rather play with XenARM | 21:44 |
| timelE61i | xenarm? | 21:44 |
| slonopotamus | too many distros, too few software | 21:44 |
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| Stskeeps | timelE61i: yes, there's actually a xen for arm | 21:44 |
| b-man | that's ironic | 21:44 |
| Stskeeps | someone claimed he got it working on some imx51 board | 21:44 |
| timelE61i | Well... Vmware ported to n800... | 21:45 |
| timelE61i | So... | 21:45 |
| Stskeeps | yeah | 21:45 |
| Stskeeps | i do want a copy of that, just for kicks | 21:45 |
| timelE61i | Basically, if one can port, so can the rest | 21:45 |
| * b-man googles for more armv6 opkg repositorys for his os | 21:46 | |
| Stskeeps | b-man: saw mer 0.11 release? | 21:47 |
| * b-man looks | 21:48 | |
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| b-man | awsome :D | 21:48 |
| ShadowJK | anyone experimented with running OS on LogFS or nilfs on mmc/sd? | 21:49 |
| b-man | really awsome o.0 | 21:49 |
| * b-man gets mesmerised by the mer 0.11 screenshots | 21:50 | |
| Stskeeps | b-man: pondering to make a powerlaunch (power button menu) where you can click "Switch to LXDE" if you installed it through application manager, for instance | 21:50 |
| Stskeeps | and while in LXDE, Switch to Hildon through same mechanism | 21:50 |
| b-man | nice :D | 21:51 |
| Stskeeps | (it would then restart X and boot into LXDE or Hildon) | 21:51 |
| b-man | hmm | 21:51 |
| Stskeeps | .. and other environments too obviously | 21:51 |
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| slonopotamus | does maemo-launcher really give any improvements? | 21:56 |
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| Stskeeps | yes, huge improvement | 21:59 |
| Stskeeps | every maemo app should use it | 21:59 |
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| slonopotamus | and what it actually does? :) | 22:00 |
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| slonopotamus | and why things just can't be fast without it? | 22:01 |
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| Stskeeps | http://maemomm.garage.maemo.org/docs/tutorial/html/ch07.html | 22:02 |
| Stskeeps | it is an artefact of how dynamic linking works | 22:02 |
| Stskeeps | when you fork, and the gtk library is already loaded, and it doesn't have to reinitialize, it is obviously faster and takes less memory | 22:02 |
| Stskeeps | cos it can just share the library amongst the processes | 22:02 |
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| slonopotamus | and how many seconds on app startup it saves? | 22:07 |
| Stskeeps | i saw an improvement from 12 secs for maemopad to 2 | 22:07 |
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| Stskeeps | and suddenly mer fit in memory nicely | 22:07 |
| slonopotamus | fit in memory??? man, 128mb is more than enough to run 10-button gui | 22:09 |
| Stskeeps | hehe | 22:09 |
| slonopotamus | it maemo-launcher the reason why dumb osso-xterm eats 12mb ram, btw? :) | 22:11 |
| ShadowJK | The memory saving must come from data created after gtk initialization now being copy-on-write | 22:11 |
| Stskeeps | yeah | 22:12 |
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| ShadowJK | Once, long time ago, there was this kernel module/patch that would search for identical memory pages and turn them into one marked CoW | 22:12 |
| * mgedmin remembers the lwn article about that | 22:14 | |
| mgedmin | it was mostly for getting virtual machines running the same os inside to share common pages | 22:14 |
| ShadowJK | there was one before the recent virtualization craze too | 22:14 |
| ShadowJK | I guess it's like compcache, it resurfaces every 5 years or so in a new implementation by new people :) | 22:15 |
| * mgedmin wants a unittestcache... | 22:16 | |
| RST38h | hehe | 22:18 |
| till- | can somebody tell me where the wireless keys are stored in maemo? | 22:18 |
| RST38h | at least Corba is dead and Java has gone comatose | 22:19 |
| RST38h | As to virtualization, we will surivive it too =) | 22:19 |
| qwerty12_N800 | till-: /system/osso/connectivity/IAP in gconf | 22:19 |
| till- | ty | 22:20 |
| till- | gconftool --get /system/osso/connectivity/IA tells me "no value set" | 22:22 |
| mgedmin | you want the recursive listing of the tree under that location, not a single get of a single key | 22:24 |
| * mgedmin never remembers gconftool's syntax | 22:24 | |
| mgedmin | -R perhaps? | 22:24 |
| till- | yes thanks | 22:24 |
| RST38h | --help | 22:25 |
| till- | it worked | 22:25 |
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| wazd | best IRC client for windows is Firefox add-on... oh my, oh my( | 22:28 |
| * qwerty12_N800 will always look for xchat first for whatever platform he is on :) | 22:30 | |
| lcuk | xchat is decent | 22:30 |
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| LinuxCode | yeh | 22:33 |
| LinuxCode | +1 | 22:33 |
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| * Jaffa shuts down for the evening | 22:39 | |
| Jaffa | BTW, everyone invited to tomorrow's sprint meeting: http://wiki.maemo.org/Maemo.org_Sprints/April_09/Meeting | 22:39 |
| GeneralAntilles | lol | 22:39 |
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| zakkm | http://www.linuxhaxor.net/2009/04/04/first-look-at-suse-studio/ <-- did anyone see this? | 22:44 |
| StsN800 | old idea though | 22:46 |
| StsN800 | saw it with ltsp for instance | 22:46 |
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| wazd | lbt: ping | 22:55 |
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| qole | Testing for tomorrow's meeting | 22:58 |
| Jaffa | lo qole | 22:59 |
| qole | hooray, so I'm good to go. | 22:59 |
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| qole | Could you just ping me over in maemo-meeting too? | 22:59 |
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| * lcuk gets a hammer | 23:06 | |
| * lcuk whacks a qole | 23:06 | |
| * lcuk waves \o | 23:06 | |
| Stskeeps | qole: http://wiki.maemo.org/Mer/Documentation/Installation#Installation_.28chroot.29 , i mean | 23:07 |
| qole | Stskeeps, thanks! I'll try the start-hildon script after shutting down the Maemo desktop... | 23:09 |
| Stskeeps | before you go, i have a neat idea | 23:09 |
| Stskeeps | in mer, able to add desktop environments (LXDE, XFCE, etc) through application manager | 23:09 |
| Stskeeps | and then they appear in the power menu, which is pervasive amongst the environments | 23:10 |
| Stskeeps | so you can switch to lxde, whereas it restarts X and switches to LXDE, or Switch to Hildon, etc | 23:10 |
| qole | I want to try to do the same thing with Mer that I did with LXDE: http://internettablettalk.com/forums/showthread.php?t=24761 | 23:10 |
| Stskeeps | *nod* | 23:11 |
| qole | So I would shut down Maemo's hildon-desktop then start Mer's desktop instead. Then I want to try things like Tear and Maemo Mapper with the new UI. | 23:12 |
| Stskeeps | ah, maemo mapper is already ported, tear not yet.. but it should be | 23:12 |
| qole | But it is sunny and warm for the first time this spring, so I'm going to go outside and enjoy it... | 23:13 |
| Stskeeps | yeah, was like that here today | 23:13 |
| Stskeeps | cya | 23:13 |
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| Stskeeps | evening gnuton | 23:16 |
| GeneralAntilles | Hot here. :( | 23:16 |
| Mousey | cool here | 23:16 |
| gnuton | Stskeeps: :D | 23:17 |
| Mousey | yay seattle | 23:19 |
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| lbt | wazd: hi | 23:24 |
| lbt | gnuton: hi | 23:24 |
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| woglinde | hi lbt | 23:28 |
| gnuton | lbt: hello Mr. Davidddddddd! :D | 23:29 |
| wazd | lbt: http://s41.radikal.ru/i093/0904/92/ed7661d8974f.png <- seen this?) | 23:32 |
| lbt | hi woglinde | 23:35 |
| lbt | hello Mr AA | 23:35 |
| lbt | wazd,,,, very nice... | 23:35 |
| lbt | phew | 23:35 |
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| lcuk | hi lbt \o | 23:36 |
| lbt | aaaargh | 23:36 |
| lcuk | heh | 23:36 |
| lbt | gnuton: I really want to make sure we're on the right road for Qt - I didn't get chance to branch it this w/end - too much Mer stuff | 23:36 |
| lbt | I'm looking after my wife tomorrow but should be around tuesday | 23:37 |
| Stskeeps | hopefully once i get qt building, those two can be combined ;) | 23:37 |
| lbt | they can! | 23:37 |
| * Stskeeps is readying a poor beagleboard for the cause | 23:37 | |
| lbt | qt4 built fine on OBS | 23:37 |
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| lbt | wait | 23:38 |
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| lbt | no it didn't hildon | 23:38 |
| z4chh | lbt, hi | 23:38 |
| z4chh | >.< | 23:38 |
| * lbt is feeling persecuted | 23:38 | |
| * lbt looks around for a bolt hole | 23:38 | |
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| lcuk | its a conspiracy | 23:38 |
| lcuk | "<lcuk> quick: say hi to lbt in #maemo" | 23:39 |
| wazd | lbt: I've worked out some nice feature for adding items to the shopping list. Each item can have some measurement unit, "pack" for sugar for example. And if you'll want to buy 3 packs of sugar - just click sugar three times | 23:39 |
| * lbt_ shoots lcuk and z4chh | 23:39 | |
| * GeneralAntilles probably wont be able to make the review tomorrow. | 23:39 | |
| * z4chh was put up to it ;p | 23:39 | |
| lbt_ | wazd - gesture 3 times | 23:39 |
| wazd | lbt: ofcourse it won't work for everything in the world but still handy | 23:39 |
| lbt_ | like when you do //// and then cross through to make 5 | 23:40 |
| * lbt_ forgives z4chh | 23:40 | |
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| wazd | lbt: I think tap on the arrow button in the middle would be more than enough :) | 23:40 |
| lbt | wazd: some of these things will be harder to implement than others (and a gesture is as easy as a tap BTW) | 23:41 |
| gnuton | lbt_: I'm going to create a branch for you in these days... don't worry.. | 23:42 |
| lbt | exactly the same amount of code to connect a "dl" gesture as a "click" (dl = down-left) | 23:42 |
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| lbt | gnuton: thanks - and then I'd like to get it tested as is to make sure we're on the right track | 23:42 |
| lbt | I hope my email came accross OK? | 23:42 |
| wazd | lbt: cool, then we can remove that button and user will just flick item to the right | 23:43 |
| lbt | I'm sure we can agree on the object vs integrate approach | 23:43 |
| lbt | wazd hmmm... I like that... | 23:43 |
| lbt | needs animation | 23:43 |
| lbt | animation will be an 'extra' until Qt4.6 AFAIK | 23:44 |
| lbt | also wazd I'd like to start by adapting the graphics to the code | 23:44 |
| lbt | and then implementing some of the UI functional ideas | 23:44 |
| lbt | I am but one man... | 23:45 |
| lbt | and Mer is higher priority than shopper until OBS is done | 23:45 |
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| Mousey | thts a cool shopping prog | 23:57 |
| lbt | Jaffa: .... fakeroot (to do dpkg-buildpackage -rfakeroot -S -sa -i) | 23:58 |
| lbt | Mousey: thanks http://shopper.garage.maemo.org/ | 23:58 |
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