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| tds5016 | so... I have a C project that runs on a linux machine. | 00:16 |
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| tds5016 | how would I go about getting that C program ported to maemo? | 00:16 |
| Stskeeps | scratchbox fun | 00:16 |
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| tds5016 | what is scratchbox? | 00:16 |
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| jakemaheu | complicated | 00:17 |
| Stskeeps | tds5016: http://maemo.org/development/ | 00:17 |
| tds5016 | haha, now if only this stupid thing were easy to get this ported to python. | 00:18 |
| tds5016 | haha. | 00:18 |
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| Macer | ugh | 00:43 |
| Macer | taking forever to figure out this damn zimbra skin thing | 00:43 |
| Macer | trying to be l33t and customize my zimbra install | 00:43 |
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| t1x | hi all | 00:46 |
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| t1x | anybody here? | 00:48 |
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| VDVsx | hello t1x | 00:50 |
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| t1x | hi | 00:52 |
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| RST38h | http://pics.livejournal.com/texconten/pic/0002d4dg | 01:11 |
| RST38h | live bait | 01:11 |
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| lcuk | RST38h, thats not good | 01:16 |
| * lcuk karate chops Stskeeps | 01:16 | |
| Stskeeps | hehe | 01:16 |
| RST38h | lcuk: not good for whom of the participants? | 01:17 |
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| lcuk | the shark | 01:17 |
| RST38h | it's a gamble for the shark | 01:17 |
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| lcuk | i rescued a hedgehog tonight! | 01:19 |
| RST38h | was it tasty? | 01:20 |
| Stskeeps | gave it milk? | 01:20 |
| lcuk | a bit sharp on the tongue | 01:20 |
| qwerty12_N800 | From the North? | 01:20 |
| lcuk | damn thing nearly popped my tyres! | 01:20 |
| RST38h | heh | 01:20 |
| lcuk | i stopped though and picked it up and rescued it :) | 01:20 |
| lcuk | in the time it took us to turn round about 5 other cars had just missed it as well | 01:21 |
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| lcuk | damn lucky little thing | 01:21 |
| lcuk | yes qwerty12_N800, from the north | 01:21 |
| lcuk | it was out without a jacket on | 01:22 |
| RST38h | you mean, it was bald? | 01:22 |
| lcuk | heh no it had a tshirt on :P | 01:23 |
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| RST38h | =) | 01:24 |
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| RST38h | "Object is only to be approached by Non-conscious individuals, at most under hypnotic suggestion." | 01:37 |
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| woglinde | for a beer? | 01:50 |
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| lcuk | to start the great machine up again | 01:50 |
| lcuk | but beer is just as good | 01:50 |
| robink | I'm unable to get a Bluetooth keyboard to pair with my N810. | 01:50 |
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| lcuk | mine is warm tho :( | 01:51 |
| lcuk | robink, before bashing head for hours trying strange stuff, try turning both off and on again | 01:51 |
| robink | lcuk: OK. | 01:51 |
| qwerty12_N800 | Cool it down in yellow snow | 01:51 |
| robink | Which should I turn on first? | 01:51 |
| lcuk | the nokia :) | 01:51 |
| lcuk | thats the usual method | 01:52 |
| lcuk | paul blart mall cop is cool btw :D | 01:52 |
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| lcuk | its like die hard after bruce willis let himself go | 01:53 |
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| robink | lcuk: That didn't fix it. | 01:56 |
| lcuk | damn | 01:57 |
| lcuk | did it work earlier on | 01:57 |
| lcuk | or is this the first time | 01:57 |
| lcuk | 01*45538./4.1518519.5 | 01:57 |
| lcuk | ^tracy | 01:57 |
| lcuk | she got home (cant you tell) | 01:58 |
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| woglinde | good nite | 01:59 |
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| robink | Do you have to do something silly like type the PIN on the keyboard? | 01:59 |
| robink | The Nokia device wants to specify a PIN, but the keyboard presumably has no way of knowing it. | 01:59 |
| lcuk | first time connection on some keyboards yeah | 02:00 |
| lcuk | what kind is it | 02:00 |
| Stskeeps | robink: 0000? | 02:02 |
| robink | lcuk: Apple Wireless | 02:03 |
| robink | Stskeeps: I could try that... | 02:03 |
| robink | Dang it, now I can't unpair it from the Mac | 02:03 |
| robink | I tried pairing it with the Mac to see if that would work (I had to enter a PIN on the keyboard). | 02:04 |
| robink | ...now I can't unpair it. | 02:04 |
| lcuk | apple store guys tell you it wont work ;) | 02:04 |
| lcuk | why cant u unpair it? | 02:04 |
| lcuk | just shut the mac down, put it in a box, send it to this address: ... | 02:04 |
| robink | lcuk: Well I unpaired it from the Mac end, but now it won't pair with any other device. | 02:04 |
| lcuk | take batteries out, put em back in, press the doofer button on top right and go with the flow | 02:04 |
| robink | lcuk: It starts up and then immediately turns off when the mac doesn't show up. | 02:05 |
| robink | lcuk: OK. | 02:05 |
| lcuk | it has instructions i believe | 02:05 |
| robink | lcuk: Only for setting it up with a Mac, and nothing about unpairing it. | 02:05 |
| lcuk | heh yeah | 02:05 |
| robink | lcuk: The instructions literally say "Turn the Mac on and follow the on-screen instructions" | 02:05 |
| lcuk | the geniuses looked at tracy like she was an alien when she said my bf wants it for his nokia | 02:05 |
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| robink | Yes! | 02:07 |
| lcuk | don't you mean "Yessssssssssssssssssssssssssssss!" | 02:07 |
| robink | lcuk: I s'pose | 02:08 |
| robink | Odd, the power light doesn't light after pairing, but the keyboard works. | 02:08 |
| lcuk | illuminated light all the time drains battery | 02:08 |
| robink | lcuk: Ah. | 02:09 |
| * lcuk likes his apple one | 02:09 | |
| qwerty12_N800 | robink: there's a page dedicated to it: http://cs.gmu.edu/~sean/stuff/n800/keyboard/ | 02:09 |
| lcuk | bbiab | 02:10 |
| robink | 'k | 02:10 |
| robink | Should I have gotten a Palm keyboard? | 02:10 |
| robink | This keyboard is fantastic and it works, but the Palm keyboard is foldable. | 02:12 |
| robink | Only drawback is it has a little stand for Palm devices... | 02:12 |
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| Nullm0dem | my n810 has just developed ans issue with it's default browser.. it hangs with an updating message window and will not resolve any websites. i can use fenec as well as the usual day to day networked apps. any ideas? | 02:58 |
| lcuk | http://www.internettablettalk.com/forums/showthread.php?t=25526 | 02:59 |
| lcuk | Nullm0dem, ^ | 02:59 |
| robink | ...bit of latency with the bluetooth keyboard | 03:00 |
| robink | All keystrokes register, but there's a small delay. | 03:00 |
| lcuk | robink, what apps are you suing it with to get the lag? | 03:00 |
| robink | lcuk: xterm and Notes. | 03:01 |
| Nullm0dem | thanks lcuk | 03:01 |
| lcuk | i never noticed lag, but then again i run my cpu in performance mode | 03:01 |
| lcuk | in the regular ondemand i do notice lots of things aren't "snappy" | 03:01 |
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| robink | lcuk: hmm. What kind of battery life do you get when you run in performance mode? | 03:02 |
| lcuk | no noticable drain unless theres an app behaving badly | 03:03 |
| robink | Really? Wow. | 03:03 |
| robink | I'll try that. | 03:03 |
| lcuk | extra drain ^ | 03:03 |
| lcuk | liqbase includes a gui screen for changing it :) | 03:03 |
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| t1x_ | i like liqbase drowing | 03:43 |
| lcuk | t1x_ :) http://liqbase.net/liq.20090404_014440.lib.scr.png | 03:46 |
| robink | lcuk: No noticable change, but the latency is OK. | 03:46 |
| t1x_ | lcuk: is this a picture? | 03:48 |
| lcuk | what do you mean | 03:48 |
| lcuk | its a .png file.. | 03:48 |
| t1x_ | i see... i mean how did u made that picture | 03:49 |
| t1x_ | ? | 03:49 |
| lcuk | with liqbase :) | 03:49 |
| lcuk | http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iMXp0Dg_UaY | 03:50 |
| lcuk | t1x_, things have advanced a little since the video :) | 03:54 |
| lcuk | i can draw once again now | 03:54 |
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| jaem | hello folks | 05:55 |
| derkaiser | HI,jaem | 05:57 |
| * jaem is confused by the multitude of conflicting information on itT about USB OTG for the N810 | 05:58 | |
| jaem | has anyone on here actually found and tested a cable that auto-switches the N810 into host mode? | 05:59 |
| jaem | the forums just go around in circles | 05:59 |
| tank-man | ive read about the auto switching cables | 06:01 |
| tank-man | and the info about how to mod one to make it so | 06:01 |
| tank-man | what about it? | 06:01 |
| robink | jeez_away: They work. | 06:02 |
| robink | oops. s/jeez_away/jaem/ | 06:04 |
| jaem | tank-man: I meant a store-bought one - if I have to buy a new cable anyway, I don't mind paying a bit more for one that works out-of-the-box | 06:04 |
| jaem | I could mod it easily, but heat-shrink doesn't look all that good :P | 06:05 |
| jaem | and there are a fair few different links to store-bought ones, some with people disagreeing about whether they work or not | 06:05 |
| ShadowJK | I just switch it manually with a regular cable | 06:05 |
| tank-man | even if you want to buy one they are pretty rare | 06:05 |
| jaem | Shadow__X: is the switcher applet stable now? I was going to use it, but last time I tried it, it did Bad Things to my tablet | 06:06 |
| ShadowJK | it worked when I tried it | 06:06 |
| jaem | s/Shadow__X:/ShadowJK/ | 06:06 |
| infobot | jaem meant: ShadowJK is the switcher applet stable now? I was going to use it, but last time I tried it, it did Bad Things to my tablet | 06:06 |
| jaem | okay, I'll give it a try | 06:06 |
| jaem | again | 06:06 |
| jaem | oh great... my junker box's kernel is "attempting to kill init", in revenge for killing one of my hard drives | 06:09 |
| jaem | :( | 06:09 |
| jaem | e.g. it won't boot | 06:09 |
| ShadowJK | lol | 06:17 |
| jaem | oh great... now the RAM has declared a blood feud with the CD drive | 06:18 |
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| jaem | does KDE have an Old English translation pack? this is beginning to sound like a Shakespearean tragedy :P | 06:19 |
| jaem | hey lcuk2 | 06:19 |
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| ShadowJK | nah, they are too busy flaming eachother | 06:20 |
| jaem | ShadowJK: who? | 06:21 |
| ShadowJK | The group that wants to spell things with 'y' everywhere, and the group that argues that it was just a typographical limitation of the early printing presses that shouldn't be retained in a current day translation when the computers are fully capable of representing the typography used before gutenberg | 06:22 |
| ShadowJK | I just made this up | 06:22 |
| ShadowJK | btw | 06:22 |
| * jaem was wondering | 06:22 | |
| jaem | it didn't sound terribly coherent | 06:22 |
| jaem | :P | 06:22 |
| jaem | the Gutenberg press used Unicode, right? | 06:23 |
| jaem | hehe | 06:23 |
| jaem | cheers | 06:24 |
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| fireun | http://www.treehugger.com/files/2009/04/nokias-new-website-helps-globetrotters-travel-green.php | 06:36 |
| fireun | crazy green nokia | 06:36 |
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| ShadowJK | so... I was transfering large files over wlan to my n810 when thevtrransfer stalled... | 07:14 |
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| ShadowJK | the tablet's wlan was frozen, not responding to pings, yet not realizing it no longer was connectted | 07:15 |
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| ShadowJK | when i switched ap with thhe connectivity iicon, something decided to unload and reload the wlan driver | 07:17 |
| ShadowJK | it'd be sorta amusing/scary if nokia had msde icd reload the driver to workaround bugs in it.. | 07:18 |
| * ShadowJK wonders if the opensource onr recovers automatically or if it's worse | 07:19 | |
| neatojones | aloisiojr: Did you get my message the other day on mamona? | 07:28 |
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| Macer | well.. just recently found out that zimbra jabberd needed a port open to send and receive chat invite requests from gmail | 08:51 |
| Macer | now i don't even need to use my gmail account | 08:51 |
| Macer | :) i just need to work on some skin hackery | 08:51 |
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| Stskeeps | morning qwerty12 | 10:32 |
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| qwerty12 | hey Stskeeps | 10:34 |
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| aquatix | good moaning | 10:48 |
| qwerty12 | morning aquatix | 10:48 |
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| RST38h | moo all | 10:58 |
| Stskeeps | moo | 10:58 |
| qwerty12 | baa RST38h | 10:58 |
| Stskeeps | RST38h: http://www.flickr.com/photos/jamiedivine/3407849510/sizes/l/ | 10:59 |
| aquatix | haha | 11:00 |
| aquatix | nice one | 11:00 |
| RST38h | Sts: Oh yessss | 11:00 |
| Stskeeps | and http://2.bp.blogspot.com/_t6rV3U9ZEHM/SdZooaA4zkI/AAAAAAAASeA/e7nOOJOPaOQ/s1600-h/WaldoIsEverywhere.jpg | 11:00 |
| Stskeeps | for the most messed up pics of today | 11:01 |
| aquatix | omg | 11:07 |
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| anders_gud | Is pygtk built with numpy in Mer? | 11:32 |
| anders_gud | or numeric? | 11:32 |
| Stskeeps | hmm, good question | 11:32 |
| Stskeeps | lemme check | 11:32 |
| Stskeeps | it's the package from ubuntu | 11:32 |
| anders_gud | Mypaint 0.6.0 requires numpy | 11:32 |
| Stskeeps | it looks like it depends on python-numpy, yeah | 11:33 |
| Stskeeps | at least the build, so i assume it is | 11:33 |
| anders_gud | great - then i'll get the Mer sdk and start building :-) | 11:34 |
| Stskeeps | anders_gud: since you're probably nordic based, http://wiki.maemo.org/MozillaMaemoDanishWeekend , if interested | 11:34 |
| anders_gud | Stockholm based | 11:34 |
| Stskeeps | (Mer is one of the focus areas too) | 11:35 |
| Stskeeps | hehe, what SDK? ;) basically, if it builds on x86 vmdk for you, it will build for armel in our builders | 11:35 |
| anders_gud | slow machine | 11:35 |
| anders_gud | no intel vt | 11:35 |
| Stskeeps | ah | 11:35 |
| Stskeeps | you can also just chroot :) | 11:35 |
| anders_gud | give me a couple of weeks, or maybe qwerty will get at it before me | 11:36 |
| anders_gud | recent mypaint that is | 11:37 |
| Stskeeps | *nod* | 11:37 |
| anders_gud | when is mer 11 out+ | 11:37 |
| anders_gud | ? | 11:37 |
| Stskeeps | monday, but i think the latest image is quite decent | 11:37 |
| Stskeeps | i just cut 50% of ram usage, heh | 11:38 |
| Stskeeps | i forgot to enable the GTK booster :> | 11:38 |
| aquatix | wow | 11:38 |
| aquatix | ah | 11:38 |
| aquatix | so, by accident? | 11:38 |
| aquatix | too bad :) | 11:38 |
| Stskeeps | well, it was never enabled correctly in Mer | 11:39 |
| Stskeeps | anders_gud: upcoming UI: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8UtcGhei3cA , ignore the effect slowdowns | 11:39 |
| anders_gud | i'll have a go at it then, is swedish keyboard and fn working? | 11:39 |
| Stskeeps | fn is, swedish keyboard you have to setxkbmap -variant fisenoda or something | 11:39 |
| Stskeeps | we need to make some kind of silly control panel for that stuff.. | 11:39 |
| anders_gud | great thanks! | 11:40 |
| Stskeeps | i don't have a n810 so i can't do it reliably :) | 11:40 |
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| Stskeeps | qwerty12: Tear was vala-based or? | 12:08 |
| qwerty12 | Stskeeps, yeah, vala based | 12:08 |
| Stskeeps | and uses webkit or how is it? | 12:09 |
| qwerty12 | But it uses its own webkit | 12:09 |
| Stskeeps | ah | 12:09 |
| qwerty12 | Either way, it's an improvement as he's been fixing the hildon support and it's a hell of a lot newer than the shit version ubuntu has in jaunty | 12:09 |
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| Stskeeps | *nod* | 12:10 |
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| lbt | Jaffa: could you mkdir /data/lbt and chown lbt it for me? | 12:17 |
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| lbt | Jaffa: BTW I have spare 1x200+1x300 sata disks if you want them for badger... | 12:41 |
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| derkaiser | can anyone here tell me what is the difference between maemo sdk and sdk+? why we need sdk+,anything special? | 13:15 |
| Stskeeps | sdk+ is a new approach, which uses scratchbox 2 | 13:16 |
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| Stskeeps | and why we need it is because scratchbox 1 is the boogeyman | 13:16 |
| qwerty12 | sdk+ is scratchbox 2. Some like it, I find it gives me a headache and prefer sbox1 | 13:16 |
| * Stskeeps is really looking forward to OBS getting up and running sanely | 13:17 | |
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| derkaiser | oh, 3x~ so the only diff is the version of SB? Maybe I will try sdk+ | 13:19 |
| Stskeeps | sb1 and sb2 is very different | 13:19 |
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| derkaiser | BTW, I see a SDK+ IDE plugin for Anjuta, is there also a Maemo SDK plugin for Anjuta? | 13:21 |
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| Stskeeps | ~seen johnx | 13:25 |
| infobot | johnx <n=john@p2035-ipbf2302hodogaya.kanagawa.ocn.ne.jp> was last seen on IRC in channel #maemo, 16d 22h 6m 48s ago, saying: '(in the US) so long as you comply with the FCC regulations'. | 13:25 |
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| b0unc3 | good morning | 13:55 |
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| Stskeeps | morning wazd | 13:56 |
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| wazd | Stskeeps" hey :) | 13:57 |
| Stskeeps | wazd: http://internettablettalk.com/forums/showpost.php?p=277347&postcount=4 <- might be worth considering btw | 13:57 |
| Stskeeps | could be good to have an artwork/ui guy around that weekend | 13:58 |
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| wazd | Stskeeps: well, I have some problems with my local army department so I can't leave Russia till I solve them :) | 14:00 |
| Stskeeps | wazd: ah, fair enough | 14:00 |
| wazd | Stskeeps: don't know exactly how long would it take :( | 14:01 |
| * Stskeeps is glad he got rejected for army service | 14:01 | |
| wazd | Stskeeps: well, I'm trying to get my rejection right now :) | 14:01 |
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| Stskeeps | "look! i'm an artist! i don't belong in the army!"? ;) | 14:01 |
| wazd | Stskeeps: hehe :) | 14:02 |
| wazd | Stskeeps: In fact they can take me in even with my infinite headache and a whole in a heart :) | 14:02 |
| Stskeeps | hehe | 14:02 |
| Stskeeps | i just had to show them some pills i was on at that point and the doctor just said "how about we just skip the physical check and say that's that".. :P | 14:03 |
| wazd | Stskeeps: well, since pills can't help me, I have nothing to show :) | 14:03 |
| Stskeeps | hehe | 14:03 |
| Stskeeps | but yeah, mandatory conscription here too | 14:04 |
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| wazd | I'm writing a feedback post bout newstyle.maemo.org now | 14:06 |
| Stskeeps | i'm slowly getting ready for 0.11 release of mer | 14:06 |
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| wazd | Stskeeps: hehe, Russian community finaly reached mer today :) | 14:07 |
| Stskeeps | good :) | 14:08 |
| Stskeeps | let's hope that brings some more hands to help out | 14:08 |
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| wazd | Stskeeps: nah, I don't think so :) | 14:08 |
| wazd | Stskeeps: most of users want to have all and now :) | 14:08 |
| Stskeeps | hehe | 14:08 |
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| Stskeeps | yeah.. it's difficult like that | 14:10 |
| Stskeeps | it's easier to feel like contributing to something that you can use day to day | 14:11 |
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| lcuk2 | wazd, have you ever seen MASH? | 14:14 |
| Stskeeps | <3 M.A.S.H | 14:15 |
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| lcuk2 | well right now i imagine wazd as looking like klinger | 14:15 |
| Stskeeps | hah | 14:15 |
| lcuk2 | mornin | 14:16 |
| * lcuk2 offers minstrels around | 14:16 | |
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| wazd | What's mash?) | 14:35 |
| wazd | We have a name Masha here, same to Maria :) | 14:36 |
| Stskeeps | http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0068098/ | 14:36 |
| wazd | jez | 14:37 |
| lcuk2 | wazd :D klinger wanted to be out of the army so bad he would wear dresses and do all sorts of strange stuff to show he was mad :D | 14:37 |
| wazd | lcuk2: no, I'm definitely not him :) | 14:38 |
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| lbt | Jaffa: you around yet? | 14:40 |
| wazd | lcuk 2 - the judgement day :) | 14:40 |
| lbt | ~seen Jaffa | 14:41 |
| infobot | jaffa is currently on #maemo (4d 16h 17m 17s). Has said a total of 35 messages. Is idling for 1d 3h 29m 51s, last said: 'Morning, all'. | 14:41 |
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| LoCusF | is there a way to automatically load kernel modules at boot time? | 14:42 |
| qwerty12_N800 | init script | 14:43 |
| lcuk2 | qwerty12_N800, have you been doing more bad tagging? | 14:44 |
| lcuk2 | http://www.internettablettalk.com/forums/showthread.php?p=277355 | 14:45 |
| qwerty12_N800 | nope, just the two in that thread *grin* | 14:45 |
| qwerty12_N800 | saw | 14:45 |
| qwerty12_N800 | the troll was talking from his arse anyway | 14:45 |
| LoCusF | qwerty12_N800: btw compcache is more stabler now on N810, I just compiled the latest svn | 14:46 |
| qwerty12_N800 | LoCusF: sweet, I need to try it out sometime :) | 14:46 |
| lcuk2 | LoCusF, where does compcahe become useful | 14:46 |
| lcuk2 | is there a breakeven point or is it pretty much always | 14:47 |
| LoCusF | qwerty12_N800: I'm updating my post in a moment for the latest modules | 14:47 |
| LoCusF | lcuk2: eg. evince works like a breeze, only on text pdf though | 14:47 |
| lcuk2 | what does it change with app - i thought it compressed cache memory stuff, how can that make it faster? | 14:48 |
| LoCusF | its directly in memory, not on some crappy flash | 14:48 |
| lcuk2 | but the system runs without having virtual memory turned on | 14:49 |
| LoCusF | yup, this is when normal linux memory management comes in to play | 14:50 |
| LoCusF | it swaps just enough to the compressed memory and then caches the rest (?) | 14:50 |
| lcuk2 | so in effect its doublespace for memory itself! | 14:51 |
| LoCusF | not too sure about that :) | 14:51 |
| lcuk2 | heh | 14:51 |
| lcuk2 | is it completely transparent to the app? | 14:52 |
| LoCusF | of course | 14:52 |
| LoCusF | its just swap | 14:52 |
| LoCusF | but its still unstable on N810 | 14:52 |
| lcuk2 | we should use jpeg compression for memory ;) | 14:52 |
| LoCusF | if it would just work stably, it would be one solution to the inadequate memory issue on maemo in general | 14:54 |
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| wazd | http://tabletui.wordpress.com/2009/04/04/newstylemaemoorg-feedback-post/ | 14:58 |
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| t_s_o | ... | 15:01 |
| lcuk2 | .... | 15:03 |
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| Stskeeps | webmaster fightclub? ;) | 15:06 |
| wazd | I'm not offending anyone :) | 15:06 |
| Stskeeps | hehe | 15:07 |
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| wazd | better I'll point some of the mistakes and they will be fixed than I'll sit and do nothing) | 15:07 |
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| Macer | damnit Stskeeps sorry still haven't made it to the po yet.. have it boxed up tho :) | 15:14 |
| Macer | so i guess that's progress.. was going to go yesterday but got sucked into my addiction trying to find out how to customize the zimbra skins | 15:14 |
| Macer | think i got something usable this time | 15:15 |
| VDVsx | lcuk2, ping | 15:16 |
| lcuk2 | pong | 15:16 |
| * lcuk2 is reviewing proposals | 15:17 | |
| VDVsx | lcuk2, your comments are pvt :P | 15:17 |
| VDVsx | scoring = pvt | 15:17 |
| VDVsx | so only the mentors can read | 15:17 |
| VDVsx | lcuk2, you can make one pvt and one public :P | 15:18 |
| lcuk2 | i thought now was the time to rate the projects :$ | 15:18 |
| lcuk2 | so i was doing | 15:18 |
| VDVsx | lcuk2, yes true | 15:18 |
| lcuk2 | and i thought private was between myself and the student | 15:19 |
| lcuk2 | since its their proposal | 15:19 |
| VDVsx | no | 15:19 |
| VDVsx | pvt -> all maemo mentor can see | 15:19 |
| lcuk2 | but the student cant? | 15:20 |
| VDVsx | public -> maemo mentors can see and the student too | 15:20 |
| VDVsx | lcuk2, no | 15:20 |
| * lcuk2 thinks thats a bit backwards | 15:20 | |
| lcuk2 | but anyway | 15:20 |
| lcuk2 | ill redo them | 15:21 |
| VDVsx | lcuk2, the system is very well designed and intuitive :) | 15:21 |
| VDVsx | lcuk2, just copy and past the pvt commment to a public one | 15:21 |
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| lcuk2 | i was doing, its not intuitive if the UI needs balloons and other things to explain and if ui elements only valid in one state are active and visible in all ;) | 15:22 |
| * lcuk2 quickly sets up a proposal to streamline the UI ;) | 15:23 | |
| VDVsx | lcuk2, I was kidding of course, I had a lot of problems with the system too :( | 15:25 |
| Macer | ugh. finally got a theme that doesn't suck in zimbra heh | 15:25 |
| lcuk2 | heh | 15:25 |
| Macer | hard to come up with the colors | 15:25 |
| Macer | plus i don't know how to change font colors so that extra sucks | 15:25 |
| * lcuk2 is pleased he can change fontcolors in liqbase :D | 15:26 | |
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| Macer | zimbra is getting better and better | 15:27 |
| Macer | there is just one problem with it | 15:27 |
| lcuk | ? | 15:27 |
| VDVsx | lcuk, I gonna eat something :P, any problem/doubt poke me | 15:27 |
| lcuk | lol enjoy | 15:28 |
| lcuk | Macer, have you seen my liqbase video | 15:28 |
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| * Stskeeps takes a look at powerlaunch again | 15:33 | |
| lcuk | crap, gotta run | 15:34 |
| lcuk | bbl | 15:34 |
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| Stskeeps | ok | 15:38 |
| Stskeeps | http://rafb.net/p/Se0ROd25.html | 15:38 |
| Stskeeps | which is prettier? | 15:38 |
| Macer | no | 15:38 |
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| Macer | 2nd one | 15:39 |
| Stskeeps | even with extensive scripts? | 15:39 |
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| Stskeeps | (it doesn't allow line shifts) | 15:39 |
| Macer | couldn't tell you.. i just think it looks a lot more compact from the staring at it perspective | 15:40 |
| Stskeeps | mm | 15:41 |
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| ccooke | Hmm. Changed my access point this week, and suddenly battery life on the nokia is down to about 16 hours. | 15:44 |
| ccooke | Is there anything known that would cause that? | 15:44 |
| aquatix | maybe AP doesn't support energy saving? | 15:45 |
| joyrider | wee it's playable :) http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nDz7XRne-7E now i just have to figure out a way to not create the 80 original levels by hand :/ | 15:48 |
| aquatix | hm, sokoban-tetrix mashup? | 15:49 |
| joyrider | it's actually a remake of gravnix (which is part of puzznic for the nintendo nes) | 15:49 |
| joyrider | i was first goana make the puzznic game but stumbled upon to many problems :/ | 15:49 |
| joyrider | so decided to do the gravnic one which is much easier :) | 15:50 |
| Macer | blah. these damn zimbra themes are a fucking pain :) | 15:54 |
| joyrider | whats zimbra ? | 15:55 |
| lcuk | auto translate: <Macer> : Gosh darn it. The themes for zimbra are overwhelmingly difficult to modify :) | 15:56 |
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| Macer | haha | 15:58 |
| Macer | joyrider: collaberation suite.. does email. docs.. file sharing. im. al with a built in interface | 15:58 |
| joyrider | ah ok :) | 15:58 |
| Macer | it's kind of like google mail ... well.. more like igoogle i suppose | 15:58 |
| Macer | i am trying to modify the theme to make something a little more custom. then throw the sales pitch to my corperation to deploy it | 15:59 |
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| Macer | i am so disgusted with exchange | 15:59 |
| Macer | i don't understand why people use it | 15:59 |
| Stskeeps | it's called brain damage, Macer | 16:00 |
| Macer | haha | 16:01 |
| Macer | i would say conformity | 16:01 |
| * Stskeeps ponders if he'll get lynched for transferring powerlaunch to python | 16:02 | |
| Macer | it really is a sickening thing though | 16:02 |
| Macer | then to get stuck in a meeting about it is like torture | 16:02 |
| qwerty12_N800 | Stskeeps: just the systemui part, I hope? | 16:02 |
| Macer | well... our email.. blahblahblah.. exchange... blahblah.. | 16:03 |
| Macer | it's horrible | 16:03 |
| Macer | ah well.. bbl | 16:03 |
| Stskeeps | qwerty12_N800: not mce, but i'm just wondering if it is more feasible in python honestly | 16:03 |
| Macer | plus... when ou have to try to phone walk someone through fixing their outlook... what a waste of life | 16:03 |
| qwerty12_N800 | Stskeeps: you'll be losing speed as it is | 16:04 |
| Macer | i don't want to bother with that anymore... it is a lot easier forcing the entire co to use a web interface | 16:04 |
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| Macer | it takes a special kind of idiot to not know how to put an address into a browser :) | 16:04 |
| Macer | so that eliminates about 85% of the idiocy | 16:04 |
| Macer | and i will just have to deal with the "15 percenter" | 16:05 |
| Stskeeps | qwerty12_N800: yeah.. that is my worry | 16:05 |
| Macer | plus zimbra has the word "collaberate" in its name... the co types can have a 4 hour meeting and wear the word out while i work on it and not go :) i swear some of the stupid shit these people say just make you want to reach over and choke them out just so they would shut up | 16:06 |
| Macer | (end vent) | 16:06 |
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| wazd | http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gpD5AWej0Ho | 16:09 |
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| Macer | well.. last try right here :) | 16:13 |
| Macer | hopefully this does it.... sure wish i could find the font color part.. but that is probably part of the css | 16:13 |
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| Stskeeps | qwerty12_N800: on the other hand, http://bsd.tspre.org/~stskeeps/n810.py.txt vs http://bsd.tspre.org/~stskeeps/n810.conf | 16:28 |
| Stskeeps | (that is without any kind of sane parameterisation etc) | 16:29 |
| Stskeeps | i'm aware one is more compact than the other | 16:29 |
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| qwerty12_N800 | I still prefer the conf file :) | 16:31 |
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| Stskeeps | mm | 16:33 |
| * Stskeeps wants to get rid of the current config set though | 16:35 | |
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| qwerty12_N800 | But anyway, I spend more time using the functionality of mce & systemui than I do editing systemui.xml & mce.ini. I just hope that the speed is decent as I wouldn't really wouldn't want to set up the C one again | 16:35 |
| Stskeeps | yeah | 16:36 |
| Stskeeps | i think it wouldn't hurt with whooping over the architecture a bit really | 16:36 |
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| infobot | generalantilles <n=GAN800@2416422hfc34.tampabay.res.rr.com> was last seen on IRC in channel #maemo, 1d 22h 5m 12s ago, saying: 'Later all.'. | 16:48 |
| Stskeeps | ~seen GAN8000 | 16:48 |
| infobot | i haven't seen 'gan8000', Stskeeps | 16:48 |
| Stskeeps | ~seen GAN800 | 16:48 |
| infobot | gan800 <n=ryan@32.160.131.59> was last seen on IRC in channel #maemo, 23h 55m 34s ago, saying: 'It needs to be moved to a name that's not camelCasr'. | 16:48 |
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| Jaffa | Morning, all | 16:57 |
| * Jaffa gets back from anniversary getaway | 16:57 | |
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| lbt | wb :) | 16:58 |
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| lbt | Jaffa: ping me when you have a minute - I'd like to setup a data area and maybe install 'osc' on badger | 16:59 |
| Jaffa | lbt: just seen your msgs from earlier. You should've been able to do it yourself, but requires you to be in the "users" group | 16:59 |
| lbt | OK - I'm not 'messing about' until I get used to your admin rules ;) | 17:00 |
| mikkov_ | qwerty12: where did you take despotify source? from http://despotify.svn.sourceforge.net/src/ ? | 17:01 |
| Jaffa | lbt: right, if you relog in you should be able to do mkdir /data/lbt | 17:01 |
| lbt | will do | 17:01 |
| Jaffa | lbt: what's osc? | 17:01 |
| qwerty12_N800 | mikkov_: from their svn repo on sourceforge | 17:01 |
| lbt | http://wiki.maemo.org/Mer/Build | 17:01 |
| lbt | python wrapper to provide svn like service to obs | 17:02 |
| Stskeeps | Jaffa: we're doing a lot of experiments with opensuse build service | 17:02 |
| Stskeeps | probably the next generation of platform building :) | 17:02 |
| lbt | (but I won't be using it to actually build) | 17:02 |
| mikkov_ | qwerty12: thanks, just bought spotify account :) | 17:02 |
| Stskeeps | (think of a scratchbox build service that doesn't try to strangle you while building in it) | 17:02 |
| * lbt isn't so sure - his neck is kinda sore from OBS... | 17:03 | |
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| RST38h | so, what does it charge you in then? | 17:03 |
| RST38h | does it take your immortal soul or what? =) | 17:04 |
| lbt | you need C# ... but apart from that it's fine | 17:04 |
| Stskeeps | RST38h: OBS (as far as i see it), when cross-compiling, instead of how SB did it, with taking broken user mode emulation and patching it with native packages until it somewhat walks, they actually fixed QEMU user mode emulation, so they start out by user mode emulation of the whole arm rootfs, and then accelerate gcc, m4, bash (and one other) | 17:05 |
| Stskeeps | and it works without a hiss | 17:05 |
| lbt | RST38h: have a look here for my notes http://wiki.maemo.org/Mer/Build | 17:05 |
| qwerty12_N800 | mikkov_: hehe, I'm a cheapskate and can only use wine... but when I checked out svn head, at beginning of this week, only the simple client would build :) | 17:06 |
| lbt | the Standalone Project section is how you'd do it for an -extras type thing | 17:06 |
| RST38h | sts: ah, vice versa to sb | 17:06 |
| RST38h | lbt: I am on a phone right now =) | 17:07 |
| Stskeeps | RST38h: yeah, really looking forward to work more with it | 17:07 |
| * RST38h would really just prefer proper crosscompilation | 17:08 | |
| * lbt points to OBS | 17:08 | |
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| Stskeeps | yeah.. but being able to build as you were on a really speedy ARM is good too | 17:08 |
| lbt | pure cross compile won't work | 17:08 |
| Stskeeps | not until the world gets fixed :P | 17:08 |
| lbt | too many apps build their own helpers which are needed as part of the build process | 17:08 |
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| lbt | https://build.opensuse.org/project/monitor?project=home%3Albt%3AMer%3A0.10 | 17:13 |
| mikkov_ | qwerty12: spotify client works perfectly with wine. do you have the binary for armel because I can't get it compile at all | 17:13 |
| qwerty12_N800 | mikkov_: it's a bit sketchy on my computer: it crashes often for me. For armel, compile libao, set ao to use esd output in /etc/libao.conf and edit spotify makefile to use ao rather than gstreamer. also, I was compiling the old svn revision 229 | 17:16 |
| qwerty12_N800 | But, no, sorry, I don't have a readily available binary | 17:17 |
| mikkov_ | libao is good starting point, thanks | 17:18 |
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| lbt | Jaffa: let me know if you're happy to install osc - if not then I'll try and get it going as a user-install | 17:24 |
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| Jaffa | lbt: you should be able to download and compile osc and put it in ~/bin | 17:25 |
| lbt | it's a python and depends on a couple of other python libs | 17:25 |
| Jaffa | Happy to install anything via apt-get, and can be persuaded about other things ;) | 17:25 |
| lbt | have a look here for sources.list info http://wiki.maemo.org/Mer/Build :) | 17:26 |
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| Jaffa | lbt: installed, let me know if you need anything else | 17:34 |
| * lbt bows down | 17:34 | |
| * Jaffa may start calling in favours for the "Community Council" thread onITT | 17:35 | |
| lbt | which one? | 17:35 |
| * lbt is an email/irc bod | 17:35 | |
| Jaffa | There's a new "why didn't you vote?" thread, and I seem to have pissed people (in particular penguinbait) off | 17:35 |
| * Stskeeps is expecting pitchforks in front of council HQ soon | 17:36 | |
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| lbt | my cat is hungry | 17:41 |
| lbt | I think she wants you all to know that... | 17:42 |
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| qwerty12_N800 | My cat is outside chasing flies :p | 17:42 |
| lbt | ask her to send some to my cat | 17:43 |
| qwerty12_N800 | lol, i'll ask, but I dunno if she'll oblige :) | 17:43 |
| lbt | kilgdsazs | 17:44 |
| * lbt is going to feed his cat | 17:44 | |
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| wazd | RST38h: hey | 17:52 |
| wazd | Stskeeps: btw, have you decided what style desktop applets will have in Mer? | 17:52 |
| wazd | Stskeeps: indefinite like maemo or more like n97? | 17:52 |
| Stskeeps | wazd: no, i thought they pretty much make their own layout? | 17:52 |
| Stskeeps | i might be wrong | 17:53 |
| wazd | I just want to make desktop to look clean | 17:54 |
| lcuk | wazd, then make clean applets :) | 17:54 |
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| Stskeeps | give me a mockup :) | 17:55 |
| wazd | lcuk: lots of different 'clean" applets could make great mess | 17:55 |
| lcuk | thankfully thats for the user to choose :) | 17:55 |
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| lcuk | ie if you make a set of your best applet designs and a user decides to put them ontop of a pink cow, thats their choice | 17:56 |
| wazd | What I want is not to give user an option "I need some weird mess on my desktop" | 17:56 |
| Stskeeps | wazd: we have drag lock, that's a start :P | 17:56 |
| wazd | Stskeeps: We should make an easy shortcut addition I think | 17:58 |
| RST38h | wazd: moo! | 17:58 |
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| RST38h | wazd: how are things? | 17:58 |
| Macer | ok. think i got it | 17:58 |
| Macer | once i get home i will start working on a logo | 17:58 |
| Macer | i need to figure out how to edit css files and change it dramatically | 17:58 |
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| Khertan_n810 | Hello ! | 18:00 |
| Stskeeps | lo Khertan_n810 | 18:00 |
| Khertan_n810 | lo stskeeps | 18:00 |
| Macer | i would love to get rid of the stupid yahoo stuff too | 18:00 |
| Stskeeps | you saw the call for registration for the danish developer weekend, Khertan_n810? | 18:00 |
| Khertan_n810 | the call registration ? | 18:01 |
| Khertan_n810 | nope | 18:01 |
| Stskeeps | Khertan_n810: http://maemo.org/news/announcements/developer_call_mozilla_maemo_danish_weekend/ | 18:01 |
| Stskeeps | Mozilla/Maemo (+extras)/Mer | 18:02 |
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| Khertan_n810 | i mainly see fennec/maemo5 | 18:04 |
| Stskeeps | yeah - but mer is also a side of maemo :) | 18:04 |
| Khertan_n810 | of course | 18:04 |
| lcuk | Khertan_n810, i think your gtk performance issues will subside with m5 and the new devices and the hard work you have put in to make them good on this platform will doubley pay off on the new one | 18:05 |
| Stskeeps | (i'm participating, and hope to enlist some people willing to hack for a weekend for Mer as well) | 18:05 |
| lcuk | so come to the meeting! | 18:05 |
| Khertan_n810 | héhé lo lcuk | 18:05 |
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| lcuk | \o | 18:06 |
| Khertan_n810 | but i don t know yet if i ll could come | 18:06 |
| Khertan_n810 | i ve already many holiday :) | 18:06 |
| Stskeeps | there'll be information on sponsorship and so on later i think | 18:06 |
| Khertan_n810 | could/can | 18:06 |
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| Khertan_n810 | do you think it ll be an important meeting like the summit ? | 18:13 |
| Stskeeps | i think it'll be more about code than about presentations | 18:13 |
| Stskeeps | networking, coding and getting things accomplished | 18:13 |
| wazd | RST38h: http://s60.radikal.ru/i167/0904/48/0c63768ad22e.png | 18:14 |
| wazd | RST38h: that's how 160x160 layout looks | 18:14 |
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| Khertan_n810 | what do you think of an ui like that : khertan.net/poubelle/screenshot19.png ? | 18:16 |
| Khertan_n810 | this is mTodos :) | 18:16 |
| Stskeeps | interesting | 18:16 |
| Stskeeps | Khertan_n810: saw the new mer ui screenshots btw? | 18:16 |
| Khertan_n810 | Stskeeps: so it could be interesting | 18:16 |
| Khertan_n810 | not yet | 18:17 |
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| Stskeeps | Khertan_n810: http://bsd.tspre.org/~stskeeps/screenshot03.png | 18:19 |
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| Khertan_n810 | haha ... No IP ... this look like HomeIP :) | 18:20 |
| Khertan_n810 | nice screenshots | 18:20 |
| Stskeeps | and http://www.daimi.au.dk/~cvm/mer-mirage.png | 18:21 |
| GAN800 | It seems nothing particularly productive happened over the past two days. | 18:22 |
| Khertan_n810 | ? | 18:22 |
| Khertan_n810 | GAN800 ... are you kidding ? | 18:23 |
| Stskeeps | GAN800: ah, the copenhagen announcement came out | 18:23 |
| Stskeeps | so not entirely :) | 18:23 |
| Khertan_n810 | PyGTKEditor is now in extra | 18:23 |
| Khertan_n810 | :) | 18:23 |
| GAN800 | Khertan, sorry, I haven't made it through the builder spam yet. ;) | 18:24 |
| Khertan_n810 | haha | 18:24 |
| Khertan_n810 | gan i was kidding | 18:24 |
| GAN800 | I think I've got 300+ new messages in my inbox | 18:24 |
| Khertan_n810 | stskeeps does internet connection by bluetooth phone is working in mer ? | 18:26 |
| Stskeeps | Khertan_n810: not yet | 18:26 |
| Stskeeps | well, PAN does | 18:26 |
| Khertan_n810 | PAN ? | 18:26 |
| Stskeeps | basically we need to get blueman acting ok | 18:26 |
| Stskeeps | there's dial up network and personal area network | 18:26 |
| RST38h | wazd: Yea, I have the same picture at my n810 display, albeit less artsy :) | 18:27 |
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| RST38h | wazd: Let us say, we are not using the strict 160x160 layout. Then could you tell me what your current buttons sizes, step amounts, and the top-left corner offset are? | 18:28 |
| Khertan_n810 | mCalendar should work with mCalendar | 18:28 |
| wazd | RST38h: so I think it's fine to make simple 160x160 layout, all will work just as expected | 18:28 |
| Stskeeps | Khertan_n810: also started making lists of what would be nice for 1.0, including bundled apps, http://wiki.maemo.org/Mer/Goals/1.0 | 18:29 |
| RST38h | wazd: I am not particularly dependent on that 160x160 layout, but do need to know your current layout parameters - this way I can adjust the code and it will work more precisely :) | 18:29 |
| Khertan_n810 | oh ! mCalendar will be bundled with Mer | 18:31 |
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| wazd | RST38h: I've no special numbers cause I was doing it for 160x160 layout :) | 18:31 |
| Khertan_n810 | i see MaemoPad+ ... did you have seen mNotes ? | 18:31 |
| wazd | RST38h: but I can measure | 18:32 |
| Stskeeps | Khertan_n810: hmm, not lately | 18:32 |
| Stskeeps | ah | 18:33 |
| Stskeeps | yeah | 18:33 |
| Stskeeps | i didn't choose any specific ones yet | 18:33 |
| Khertan_n810 | ah ... | 18:33 |
| Stskeeps | that's part of the copenhagen meetup for mer - that we get closer to 1.0, something that is usable day to day | 18:33 |
| Stskeeps | writing control panels, finding flaws, etc | 18:34 |
| Khertan_n810 | if i ask this because i ll ask what do you not like in mNotes :) | 18:34 |
| Macer | argh | 18:34 |
| RST38h | wazd: please do - I tried and found that the steps were irregular | 18:34 |
| Khertan_n810 | ah oki | 18:34 |
| Stskeeps | Khertan_n810: hehe, didn't make any kind of choice :) | 18:34 |
| wazd | RST38h: I can do even better: http://s39.radikal.ru/i085/0904/de/338f4003c696.png | 18:36 |
| Stskeeps | wazd: lack of hello kitty | 18:36 |
| wazd | RST38h: http://i014.radikal.ru/0904/14/10968c5be45a.png | 18:37 |
| wazd | RST38h: you can use 160x160 without any hacks and tricks, it would be 100% usable and precise | 18:38 |
| wazd | I can't imagine a person that can tap on the spac between buttons instead of a button itself :) | 18:39 |
| * lbt wants to hire wazd for Shopper... | 18:39 | |
| riot | VDVsx: btw. i submitted the Chaoss project, but also to the psf (because of pygame) and sdl orgs. | 18:40 |
| VDVsx | riot, ok | 18:40 |
| wazd | lbt: well, as I'm done with Ti calculators (I think :) I can look at the Shopper to see what I can do there :) | 18:41 |
| lbt | ooh :) | 18:41 |
| lbt | http://shopper.garage.maemo.org/ | 18:41 |
| lbt | All my own work! | 18:42 |
| * lbt sighs | 18:42 | |
| RST38h | wazd: The last one is exactly 160x160 per button? | 18:42 |
| lcuk | lbt, all your own very hard work! | 18:43 |
| wazd | RST38h: yep | 18:43 |
| lbt | yeah - I had to fight Denise for those colours! | 18:43 |
| RST38h | wazd: looks pretty well to my lame taste | 18:43 |
| lcuk | lol lbt, i was thinking the code ;) | 18:43 |
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| RST38h | wazd: lemme reboot and package it =) | 18:43 |
| lcuk | colors are for girls and wazd to choose ;) | 18:43 |
| lbt | heh | 18:44 |
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| lbt | i've got to admit obs is getting better as I use it more... | 18:48 |
| lcuk | obs? | 18:49 |
| lbt | open build system from Suse | 18:49 |
| lbt | we should be using it for Mer RSN | 18:50 |
| lcuk | ahhh yes ive seen the discussions on it | 18:50 |
| wazd | lbt: well, actually pretty nice! | 18:50 |
| * lbt blushes | 18:50 | |
| lbt | wazd: have you ever used it? | 18:51 |
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| lbt | it's a beast to download 'cos it uses the Qt libraries which are ~19Mb | 18:52 |
| wazd | RST38h: btw, you can use icon from selector as app icon :) | 18:52 |
| RST38h | Finally: http://thatgirlssite.com/2009/03/23/cool-iphone-case/ | 18:52 |
| RST38h | wazd: Yes, but with what number? :) | 18:53 |
| wazd | RST38h: Ti :) | 18:53 |
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| wazd | RST38h: nothing on the top, just Ti | 18:53 |
| RST38h | wazd: can you quickly make one in svg? white face, blue top, black "Ti" shown in bold on the face? | 18:54 |
| RST38h | (same simplified svg as before, no shadows, etc) | 18:54 |
| wazd | RST38h: are you planning to make that stuff for symbian?) | 18:54 |
| RST38h | wazd: I am, but this will have to be done from scratch for Symbian :( | 18:55 |
| RST38h | wazd: In the Maemo case, I simply want to generate all three icons from the same source | 18:55 |
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| wazd | RST38h: ok, I'll make one right now | 18:57 |
| wazd | RST38h: 64x64? | 18:57 |
| wazd | RST38h: or 48x48 | 18:57 |
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| RST38h | 64x64 of course | 18:58 |
| RST38h | or maybe even 88x88, to stay compatible with S60 | 18:59 |
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| RST38h | "...Commander Riger for example has developed a intestinal fungus last found on the earth three thousand years ago owing to the absence of any microbes in his gastrointestinal tract.: | 19:04 |
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| bar_foo | 255 people here, soon will overflow | 19:22 |
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| wazd | RST38h: ok, the icon has gone to your email | 19:54 |
| wazd | RST38h: tell me if it's crap :) | 19:54 |
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| crashanddie | qwerty12, want to run me through installing mer? | 19:56 |
| crashanddie | :) | 19:56 |
| qwerty12 | You flashing it or installing to a card? | 19:56 |
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| lbt | qwerty12: crashanddie - do you want to discuss this here or in #mer ... I wouldn't mind following along :) | 20:01 |
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| crashanddie | sure | 20:02 |
| crashanddie | I'll join #mer | 20:02 |
| lbt | just in case you've gotten a room somewhere ;) | 20:02 |
| qwerty12 | eurgh, with crashanddie? No thanks :P | 20:02 |
| crashanddie | that's not what you said last time | 20:02 |
| qwerty12 | Damn, you remembered :( | 20:02 |
| crashanddie | well, I was pissed, but apparently I did take notes in liqbase | 20:03 |
| crashanddie | Q is touching my thigh, Q wants me to buy more beer, all that | 20:03 |
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| qwerty12 | *facepalm* | 20:03 |
| lcuk | i hope you stopped writing soon after | 20:04 |
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| igagis | Hi | 20:57 |
| igagis | Does anyone have a Chinook installed in their tablet? | 20:58 |
| igagis | I would like to ask to test if Theremin will work on chinook | 20:58 |
| igagis | I've just uploaded a chinook version to extras-devel | 20:58 |
| wazd | lbs: ping? | 20:59 |
| wazd | lbt: sorry :) | 20:59 |
| lbt | hi | 20:59 |
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| wazd | lbt: well, I can do some stuff for shopper, there are things to get better :) | 21:03 |
| lbt | that would be appreciated ... | 21:03 |
| wazd | lbt: first of all - icons, they are on the white background and look bad on the other | 21:03 |
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| lbt | they are all svg's from inkscape | 21:04 |
| lbt | if you want them : http://repo.or.cz/w/shopper.git?a=tree;f=src/data;h=84463cdf8061f16044f8b071e079c709e0dcd9f1;hb=gestures | 21:05 |
| wazd | lbt: Also I think that drag'n'drop feature would be awesome for shopper. Check out Personal menu/launcher configuration to see how it works | 21:06 |
| wazd | lbt: don't know if it's possible with Qt though | 21:07 |
| lbt | it is - not used it yet (bugger to code!) | 21:07 |
| lbt | have you installed/used it at all? | 21:07 |
| wazd | lbt: sure) | 21:08 |
| lbt | it certainly needs a bigish list to get the feel for it | 21:08 |
| lbt | ah.... rotten timing :( dinner is ready... I'll be back soon. I'm very open to any suggestions though | 21:09 |
| Macer | blah | 21:10 |
| Macer | had to file another zimbra bug | 21:10 |
| Macer | for some reason they decided to get rid of the sticky button that i guess they call a "pin" button in their web im client | 21:10 |
| Macer | how irritating | 21:10 |
| RST38h | Why are you messing with zimbra anyway? | 21:15 |
| RST38h | It is just another wiki engine, made by wiki fanatics, for wiki fanatics, sold to wiki fanatics | 21:15 |
| RST38h | i.e. if you are not a wiki fanatic, this thing should exist in a universe completely parallel to ours | 21:16 |
| wazd | RST38h: got my e-mail?) | 21:17 |
| RST38h | checking | 21:19 |
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| RST38h | gmail seems to be down | 21:20 |
| inz | rst, works for me | 21:22 |
| RST38h | no doughnut here | 21:22 |
| RST38h | Angry British Suburbanites Chase Off Google Car for Fear of Thieves! | 21:23 |
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| thux | what is substitute for /proc/kcore in maemo? | 21:27 |
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| RST38h | wazd: no google is definitely dead :( | 21:32 |
| wazd | RST38h: Intel broke up with Google?)) | 21:33 |
| RST38h | wazd: Not that I know of =) Besides, I am at ultranet.ru right now | 21:34 |
| wazd | RST38h: http://lotro.ucoz.ru/ti_svg.svg | 21:35 |
| mavhc | hilarious seeing uk people complain about something so old, where were they when google was photographing other countries? or last year when it was photographing half the uk | 21:36 |
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| crashanddie | lol... as if it's going to help... | 21:36 |
| crashanddie | If your house is secure, taking a picture of it isn't going to change that | 21:37 |
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| RST38h | wazd: why brown? =) | 21:37 |
| wazd | RST38h: choose your color :) | 21:37 |
| RST38h | ah, brown will probably do... | 21:38 |
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| wazd | RST38h: oh. wait a bit | 21:38 |
| wazd | RST38h: I'll add something | 21:39 |
| RST38h | eh...I have just created all the png icons =) ok... | 21:41 |
| mavhc | crashanddie: houses aren't secure though | 21:42 |
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| crashanddie | mavhc, again, that doesn't change the fact that a picture of it will modify that aspect of "houses" in any way | 21:42 |
| mavhc | they're really into security by obscurity, so much so they got their village on the national news | 21:43 |
| Stskeeps | is it so bad? i mean, i would hate having to turn some of the suburbs into walled suburbs :P | 21:46 |
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| Stskeeps | or big fences etc | 21:46 |
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| lcuk | but people dont want it on record that they walk aorund naked | 21:47 |
| lcuk | its bad enough having to wave at the neighbours when they walk past | 21:47 |
| lcuk | entirely different to have a photograph of it | 21:47 |
| Stskeeps | hehe | 21:47 |
| RST38h | heheh | 21:47 |
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| RST38h | lcuk: They must be hiding this: http://scp-wiki.wikidot.com/scp-597 | 21:48 |
| lcuk | "privacy of your own home" is stuff you dont do in your front window either | 21:48 |
| RST38h | lcuk: sitting at some little cozy plaza in the middle of the neighbourhood | 21:48 |
| lcuk | you are not living in a brothel so dont put public stuff you wouldnt want people to see in public view | 21:48 |
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| lcuk | ^private stuff | 21:49 |
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| lcuk | \o hi yerga | 21:50 |
| qwerty12_N800 | evening yerga | 21:50 |
| Stskeeps | lo yerga | 21:50 |
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| yerga | Hi guys ;) | 21:51 |
| Stskeeps | yerga: saw http://wiki.maemo.org/MozillaMaemoDanishWeekend ? | 21:51 |
| yerga | Stskeeps, yes I saw it | 21:51 |
| Stskeeps | alright | 21:51 |
| yerga | I can't to do it though | 21:52 |
| lcuk | we dont want you to do it - we just want you there :) | 21:52 |
| yerga | I start my last finals the next week to that weekend | 21:52 |
| Stskeeps | ah, yeah, the nasty month | 21:52 |
| lcuk | dang! | 21:52 |
| lcuk | you miss a party | 21:52 |
| lcuk | drunken coding is fun! | 21:52 |
| yerga | finally I'll be a chemist | 21:52 |
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| lcuk | fun to have on speed dial! | 21:54 |
| wazd | RST38h: http://lotro.ucoz.ru/ti_svg.svg | 21:58 |
| RST38h | aha | 21:59 |
| RST38h | packaged. | 22:03 |
| RST38h | any way to "gray out" TI83+SE, TI84+, and TI84+SE from the menu? | 22:03 |
| RST38h | So that people could see these are not usable at the moment? | 22:03 |
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| wazd | RST38h: http://s59.radikal.ru/i165/0904/dc/588e11e36b36.png | 22:11 |
| RST38h | wazd: ! thanks ! | 22:12 |
| suihkulokki | ugh. looks like iphone. :P | 22:13 |
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| wazd | suihkulokki: everything in the world looks like an iphone) | 22:14 |
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| wazd | btw | 22:15 |
| wazd | I can predict how new iPhone would look | 22:15 |
| wazd | there will be no front button - just a sensitive space | 22:15 |
| wazd | like on pre | 22:15 |
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| wazd | or maybe not :) | 22:16 |
| RST38h | It will look like a dark slightly reflective marble ball | 22:17 |
| RST38h | And Apple will sell 'em in pairs. | 22:17 |
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| Stskeeps | heh | 22:19 |
| * RST38h also predicts that the remaining missing part will be designed and manufactured by Microsoft | 22:21 | |
| Stskeeps | so, discussion topic: think android would be a sane alternative for netbooks? | 22:22 |
| RST38h | No. | 22:23 |
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| Stskeeps | http://andblogs.net/2009/04/android-and-open-source/ <- interesting | 22:24 |
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| RST38h | In case you have not guessed it yet, Android does not run MS Office :) | 22:24 |
| Stskeeps | also, it suffers from same issue maemo does, app availability and their own API | 22:25 |
| Stskeeps | but yeah | 22:25 |
| Stskeeps | MS office argument | 22:25 |
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| suihkulokki | the more realistic and relevant question - how do we get similar hype behind maemo that iphone and android created? | 22:33 |
| RST38h | What kind of pgp key does extras require? | 22:34 |
| RST38h | RSA? | 22:34 |
| suihkulokki | is just about distributing crack to selected journalists in silicon valley? | 22:34 |
| RST38h | suihkulokki: we don't | 22:34 |
| qwerty12_N800 | ~upload-extras | 22:34 |
| infobot | i heard upload-extras is http://wiki.maemo.org/Uploading_to_Extras | 22:34 |
| qwerty12_N800 | RST38h: should say it there ^ | 22:34 |
| Stskeeps | suihkulokki: a lot of community involvement and passion, word of mouth, people standing by their community developed OS | 22:34 |
| Stskeeps | i mean, look at ubuntu or debian | 22:34 |
| RST38h | Does not seem to say anything about signing packages | 22:35 |
| mavhc | or look at ubuntu vs debian | 22:35 |
| qwerty12_N800 | RST38h: you don't need to sign 'em | 22:35 |
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| suihkulokki | ubuntu is certainly a interesting story | 22:35 |
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| suihkulokki | the didn't really anything that different from the other distros, but they still managed to gain momentum | 22:36 |
| mavhc | well, debian wasn't trying to be commercial, and ubuntu gave away free CDs | 22:37 |
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| Stskeeps | wb timelE61i | 22:38 |
| RST38h | qwerty: I am not sure, doing binary upload | 22:38 |
| RST38h | it is a bit different | 22:39 |
| timelE61i | hi | 22:39 |
| * timelE61i got out too late to get decent food | 22:39 | |
| RST38h | Enjoy: http://cache.gawker.com/assets/images/gizmodo/2009/04/ewaste_recycle076_5a.jpg | 22:39 |
| qwerty12_N800 | RST38h: ah :(, check the wiki's history, I know for sure it used to have the key type | 22:39 |
| qwerty12_N800 | hi timelE61i | 22:40 |
| Stskeeps | RST38h: heh. now if i could just hack each one of them. | 22:40 |
| timelE61i | hi | 22:40 |
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| RST38h | Fuck. Changed computer, changed SSH RSA key, and guess what? Now I can't upload to extras again =( | 22:41 |
| RST38h | Will have to wait for XFade. Will they EVER fix this problem? | 22:41 |
| timelE61i | :) | 22:41 |
| timelE61i | what's the problem? | 22:42 |
| * RST38h rolls back Garage page updates and reboots to WinXP, disgusted | 22:42 | |
| lcuk | RST38h, most people have a single ssh key for a period | 22:42 |
| lcuk | like an email address | 22:42 |
| qwerty12_N800 | I had to get another invite when I reinstalled ubuntu | 22:42 |
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| qwerty12_N800 | because I only use a key for extras anyway, I just backup ~/.ssh & ~/.gnupg | 22:43 |
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| wazd | RST38h: why not just use VM for that stuff?) | 22:51 |
| GAN800 | Woo, Grand Prix fun | 22:52 |
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| RST38h | lcuk: Well, I have just changed hardware | 23:15 |
| RST38h | wazd: Hate VMs. Absolutely, positively, definitely hate VMs | 23:16 |
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| RST38h | wazd: Useless crap. Why do I need a VM when I have the real hardware? | 23:16 |
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| lcuk | RST38h, so have i but i backup my private keyring (I think anyway lol) | 23:17 |
| RST38h | lcuk: I think ssh keys depend on the hardware | 23:17 |
| wazd | RST38h: well, it saves time :) | 23:17 |
| lcuk | building of the ssh depends on the hardware, but not the key itself | 23:17 |
| RST38h | lcuk: So, yes, I could copy a key from the old laptop, but it would not do me any good | 23:17 |
| RST38h | wazd: It does not. | 23:18 |
| lcuk | that sounds very wrong | 23:18 |
| RST38h | wazd: Making maemo.org correctly parse ssh keys saves time, VMs do not | 23:18 |
| GAN800 | So, who's got money down on a beta release? | 23:18 |
| lcuk | i put money down when i bought my first device | 23:19 |
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| suihkulokki | RST38h: ssh private keys don't tie on the hardware, you can copy the same key to as many client machines you use | 23:24 |
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| lbt | back now | 23:31 |
| RST38h | suhkulokki: thanks, if it is true, I will just copy the key from my old r100 | 23:32 |
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| zap | Anybody tried to debug anything with threads under gdb on a N8xx? For some reason it doesn't "see" the threads of my app | 23:36 |
| zap | "info threads" displays nothing | 23:36 |
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| timelE61i | zap: life suck :) | 23:37 |
| zap | it does indeed, but what does this have in common with threads ;) | 23:39 |
| zap | life suck, threads don't :) | 23:39 |
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| Macer | RST38h: heh | 23:51 |
| Macer | i'm using zimbra because i like it | 23:51 |
| Macer | it is a little more than just a wiki | 23:52 |
| Macer | although i can see the comparison to a wiki | 23:52 |
| mavhc | it's groupware surely | 23:53 |
| RST38h | zap: gdb is a mess | 23:57 |
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| RST38h | zap: among other things, it *may* have some other threads in mind, not the ones you are using | 23:57 |
| RST38h | as there are multiple thread apis | 23:58 |
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