IRC log of #maemo for Friday, 2009-04-03

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tds5016hello all. Is there a way to write in python on maemo?00:32
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tds5016I have an n810 that I need to use gstreamer with.00:32
fireunuse a text editor00:32
tds5016yeah, how do I run python on the n810... it looks like it's not installed?00:32
fireuninstall it?00:33
tds5016yeah, how would I do that/where is it?00:33
fireunthere is probably a couple ways to do that, looked at maemo.org apps yet?00:33
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ShadowJKmaemo-python-device-env in extras seems promising?00:35
tds5016firefun, no, I haven't ;-)00:35
VDVsxtds5016, pymaemo00:37
tds5016maemo-python-device-env installing that now.00:37
tds5016is pymaemo in the repos?00:37
VDVsxtds5016, maemo-python-device-env should gave you pymaemo :P00:39
tds5016awesome sauce.00:39
tds5016I've that installed now!00:39
tds5016that's great!00:39
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tds5016now, to run a python file, I just have to write the file.py, and send it over bluetooth, and it should run?00:39
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fireunsending over bluetooth seems kinda extraneous00:40
tds5016well, writing it on the device itself is kind of a pain.00:41
tds5016haha.00:41
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tds5016I just need to get video from this darned thing.00:41
tds5016haha.00:41
tds5016is pygst installed with pymaemo?00:41
fireunbluetooth keyboard?00:42
tds5016that'd be nice. I just meant getting the file to the device.00:42
tds5016I'm writing it on a mac.00:42
fireunsure, whatever works for ya, usb/bluetooth/mental teleportation/wifi00:42
fireundunno about the pygst00:43
fireunmight have to get that00:43
tds5016how/where would I get that for maemo?00:43
VDVsxtds5016, https://garage.maemo.org/plugins/scmsvn/viewcvs.php/packages/?root=pymaemo    probably no00:43
fireununless its usually a standard python extension, dunno00:43
tds5016http://pygstdocs.berlios.de/pygst-tutorial/webcam-viewer.html I need to get that00:44
tds5016I need to get that to run*00:45
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* fireun is not getting his speech written.00:47
fireuntds5016: it has to be python/gstreamer?00:47
fireuntoo bad there's no vlc for maemo00:48
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tds5016yeah, I just need to get this thing to stream video.00:48
tds5016haha.00:48
fireunmaybe vnc viewer?00:48
tds5016and then archive the file being streamed.00:48
fireungood luck00:48
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tds5016was that sarcasm? haha, I'm avoiding C like the plague ;-)00:49
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VDVsxtds5016, is perfect doable00:51
VDVsxtds5016, one more help :P : http://wiki.forum.nokia.com/index.php/Maemo_multimedia_applications_-_Part_II00:51
tds5016yeah, wwhat would be the best way to do something like that?00:51
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tds5016thank you VDVsx00:51
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tds5016now I'm just getting an error saying it could not get/set setting from/on resource. crl2src_calls.c(929): gst_v4l2src_set_caputer (): /pipline0/v4l2src0: Tried to capture at 800x480, but device returned size 640x48000:59
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fireunthe NIT would be nice to use as a home security viewer00:59
RST38hnit's camera is 640x480.01:00
* fireun needs a fisheye lens 01:00
tds5016nit == ??01:00
fireun>viewer< not sourcer like tds wants01:00
fireun640x480 is not quite 1Mpx?01:00
tds5016should I go to #python to get help with this issue?01:01
tds5016or am I in the right place?01:01
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tds5016I don't know if this is a development channel or if it was a use channel ;-)01:01
fireunmight try #python as well01:02
tds5016either way thanks for all the help guys!01:02
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fireunmost of these cretins are devs01:02
VDVsxtds5016, read this:  Tried to capture at 800x480, but device returned size 640x48001:02
tds5016http://pygstdocs.berlios.de/pygst-tutorial/webcam-viewer.html01:02
tds5016that's the code I'm using.01:02
tds5016is anyone here familiar with py/gstreamer enought htat they could tell me how they could force it to use 640x480?01:02
fireunno doubt a gst init command01:03
fireunI'd look at the use docs01:03
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* VDVsx wonder's why forum.nokia have so much maemo articles and superior to the wiki.maemo one's :o01:04
tds5016http://www.internettablettalk.com/forums/showthread.php?t=2463701:11
tds5016that looks like it might have to do with it?01:11
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tds5016http://pastebin.com/m4c4931ad I can't figure out the whole gstreamer pipeline thing :-/.01:15
tds5016does anyone know of a simple tutorial?01:15
fireungoogle does01:16
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fireunand it parses questions with more enthusiasm01:16
tds5016fireun: this sounds terrible, but I seriously do suck at the googles... I've been looking for a long time for it :-(01:17
* fireun revokes tds5016's internet drivers card01:17
tds5016haha, I know; right?01:17
tds5016but in all seriousness if you could help me out, it owuld be greatly appreciated.01:19
fireunhttp://test.maemo.org/platform/docs/howtos/howto_camera_api_bora.html01:20
fireunscroll down to python section01:20
tds5016that's in C :-/.01:20
tds5016"video/x-raw-rgb", "width", G_TYPE_INT, 640, "height", G_TYPE_INT, 480, NUL01:21
tds5016what I guess I'm trying to ask....01:21
tds5016is how do I get that that over to a pipline01:22
tds5016?01:22
tds5016"v4l2src ! autovideosink" right there is the current pipline/01:22
tds5016http://www.internettablettalk.com/forums/showthread.php?t=24637 it looks like I need something like that...01:24
tds5016BUT I don't want to capture a picture, I want to capture video.01:24
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tds5016woot woot... now it just shows green, and the corner of the device turns red.01:26
tds5016haha.01:26
fireunhttp://pygstdocs.berlios.de/pygst-tutorial/capabilities.html01:27
fireunof http://pygstdocs.berlios.de/01:27
tds5016okay, now it just returns green...01:28
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fireuntds5016: *shrug*01:29
tds5016haha, that's so weird.01:29
tds5016haha.01:29
tds5016the corner of the n810 goes from blue to red.01:29
tds5016haha.01:29
tds5016I think that means there's an error??01:29
fireunthere's a #gstreamer as well01:29
fireunmight have better luck01:29
tds5016yeah, it's dead :-(01:29
tds5016it looks like what you found is actually exactly what I need.01:29
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tds5016now... anyone know how Id' go from this to getting the video streaming over the net?01:37
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bolaumis there someone responsible for the development of Python-purple here?02:25
andre__not me, but the followup question would be interesting too02:27
bolaumi wanted to know what is its current statee02:28
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VDVsxwell, there is a python-purple project in garage.maemo and seems to have some recent activity02:35
bolaumyeah, I saw that02:35
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VDVsx"Python-purple source code is part of Carman's project" so the INdT guys should be the responsible for that02:37
lbtg'night all02:38
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VDVsxnight lbt02:38
bolaumI'll try talking to Morpheuz when he's online02:40
VDVsxgood night all02:45
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bolaumis there anyone from indt theree?02:46
renato_Hirvinen: bolaum02:47
renato_hi bolaum02:47
renato_I'm indt02:47
renato_but I don't know about python-purple source code, I'm working in another project02:47
renato_and the guys who works in carman already gone02:48
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bolaumhi renato, that's ok... but do you know any of the developers?02:48
renato_yes02:48
bolaummaybe I can mail them02:48
bolaumwhich of them would be the right one?02:49
renato_ok try: eduardo.rocha@openbossa.org02:49
renato_he is the team leader of the project02:49
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bolaumok! thank you02:50
renato_no problem02:50
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Maceryawn.03:51
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timelE61ifWiw03:57
timelE61iI've unsubscribed from community03:57
timelE61iTell that idiot thanks03:57
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PrctIs there someone here that uses Pluthon for development?03:58
fireunwhats so special?04:00
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* fireun does everything BUT write the paper that is due tomorrow04:01
jaemfireun: me too... >_<04:01
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timelE61igan/jaffa: "goodbye"04:05
timelE61iThanks for all the fish04:05
fireunjaem: it'll probably be blasted out at the eleventh hour04:08
jaemfireun: :P04:08
* fireun hates writing papers on topics that have no valid reason to be written about, other than to satisfy some idiot teachers vapid need for work to be done to grade04:08
jaemwhat's the topic?04:08
fireun"Personal Success"04:09
jaemhaha... ouch04:09
fireungah04:09
jaemindeed04:09
jaemwhat's your major?04:09
fireunengineering04:09
* jaem is taking the same04:09
fireunspeech 111 core req04:09
jaemwhich branch of engineering?04:09
fireunnot totally solid on that yet04:10
fireunits more a process of elimination (:04:10
fireunnot electrical and probably not mechanical04:10
jaemah... I'm doing the Computer/Electronic route04:10
fireunmaybe environmental emphasis04:10
jaemlots of fun04:10
fireuneh, I've been a paid coder, I'm over it04:11
jaemit's not the same as software engineering04:11
jaemalthough you could get a job of that sort, potentially04:11
fireunelectronics is still a diffuse field04:11
jaemit's essentially EE, with more CS thrown in than normal04:11
fireuncomputer science is still computer science04:11
jaemthis is engineering science04:11
jaemwith a bit of CS04:12
jaemit is distinct04:12
fireunmmhmm04:12
fireunsemantics04:12
jaemlol04:12
jaemnot really04:12
jaemit just focusses on hardware *and* software, as opposed to just the former04:12
fireunI was an embedded systems programmer, which is the grey concrete in between those two04:13
jaemhehe04:13
jaemat any rate, my uni is better about irrelevant classes04:13
jaemthey give each faculty certain requirements that have to be met in their curriculum, and leave the implementation up to them04:14
fireuntwo of the five classes I'm taking this term I could drop and not miss anything04:14
jaemso Engineering has "writing" courses, but not "english" courses, for example04:14
fireunsure, tho an english class does fall into the "diversity" section04:14
jaemand Arts majors have to take math courses, but not academic ones04:14
jaemtrue04:14
fireunand more eng than sci, yes04:14
fireunditto04:14
jaemand we can take them as electives04:14
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jaemI have to do something useful now...04:15
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fireunwell, sp111 fit my schedule this term04:15
fireununfortunatly04:16
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mib_dc1748yeHi04:24
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mib_dc1748yeAny mentor here?04:24
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fireunwould this work on a NIT ? - http://i.gizmodo.com/5194883/hands-on-jabra-halo-bluetooth-headset-really-really-slim04:47
jaem_afkI'm not sure of the current status of stereo bluetooth audio on Maemo at the moment04:57
jaem_afkbut this should work if ad2p works in general04:58
jaem_afkI would think04:58
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nikosapiHi, I know it's late, but would anyone care to look over a GSOC proposal?05:05
nikosapiI'm going to post it to maemo-developers but I figured you guys could give it a quick look-over first :)05:06
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fireunnikosapi: I'm not a dev, but I could suggest that you at least post a title, to pique someone's interest, or at least narrow down who would respond.05:32
fireunnikosapi: kinda like when someone asks if they can ask a question.05:33
fireunit'd be better just to state the question.05:33
nikosapiI posted it to the mailing list, but here's a link: http://nikosapi.org/stuff/gsoc-formatted.txt05:33
nikosapiheh, you're right that was very vague :)05:35
nikosapiIt's about integrating gPodder and Panucci for Maemo if anyone's interested05:35
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fireunwell... I still have to look up what those two things are, but then... I'm just a lurker here (:05:40
nikosapiDo you listen to podcasts?05:40
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fireunnot for the last couple years (:05:41
fireunso, podcast aggregator and audiobook player app?05:41
nikosapiah, gPodder is a podcast downloading application and Panucci is a media player made specifically for podcasts and audiobooks05:42
nikosapiexactly05:42
fireunare audiobook apps so different than media players?05:42
fireunor is it a disabled access issue?05:42
nikosapikinda, the big difference is that an audiobook player will remember where you are in a file05:43
fireunah, stateful05:43
nikosapiand Panucci also allows you to make bookmarks throughout the file05:43
fireunso integration to what level?05:44
fireunas in same app, or just dbus tricks?05:44
nikosapiyes, integration over dbus05:45
nikosapithe problem is gPodder, it needs a lot of work before we can even expose an api over dbus05:45
fireun"And it integrates well with gPodder."05:45
nikosapihahaha05:46
fireunso what would you be adding?05:46
nikosapiI'd be separating gPodder's GUI from the backend libs and then adding the API on top of the backend05:47
nikosapithen the fun beings :D05:47
nikosapiFrom that point you'll have access to all kinds of data from gPodder through Panucci which will make the Panucci user experience much better05:48
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fireunthanks for explaining further, I'm reluctant  to claim that it is a clear win, but I've certainly seen worse (:05:51
nikosapithat's what I feared, it's not a very "sexy" project05:52
nikosapiIt was still good proposal-writing practice :)05:53
fireuncant say I've heard the mob clamoring for it, but you never know05:53
fireunor I should say, >I< never know05:53
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fireunthe biggest challenge is having the passion to see a project thru, so as long as you are excited about the effort, its worth pursuing05:54
fireunthere are more than a few things that I've thought would be fantastic projects, but there's no way I'd want to take on the effort... (:05:54
nikosapieverything in that proposal is going to get done one way or another, the GSOC would be a nice way to make that all happen more quickly05:55
fireunbookmarks in ebooks/podcasts would be nice, especially if you could refer the "clips" so bookmarked to other people05:57
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fireunmarking up audio, in a way05:58
Luke-Jr2how do i chat w/ the telepathy irc thing?05:58
fireunLuke-Jr2: with a spoon?05:59
Luke-Jr2-.-05:59
nikosapiI've used pidgin and xchat for irc on the NIT, never telepathy sorry...06:00
Luke-Jr2:/06:00
Luke-Jr2it's luke-n81006:00
Luke-Jr2ok, better question06:01
Luke-Jr2why doesn't xmpp auth anymore?06:01
Luke-Jr2i verified the pass is rightt06:01
fireuninsufficient information06:02
Luke-Jr2'Authentication failed'06:02
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Luke-Jr2i'd love more info, too ;)06:03
fireunxmpp auth with what server?06:03
fireunxmpp is kinda generic06:03
Luke-Jr2dashjr.org06:03
Luke-Jr2ejabberd06:03
fireunI would bug the dashjr.org admin then06:03
Robot101Luke-Jr2: loudmouth has a bug which has been exposed by recent ejabberd updates06:03
Robot101:(06:03
Robot101I need to get on N about pushing an update06:04
Luke-Jr2gah06:04
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Luke-Jr2fire thats me06:04
fireunroger06:04
Luke-Jr2and as robot101 said, its a n810 bug06:04
Luke-Jr2everything else works06:04
fireunthe n890 will fix it (;06:05
Luke-Jr2-.-06:05
* fireun is slightly unstable with the pressure of a looming paper deadline06:05
Luke-Jr2so i get a refund for n810?06:05
Luke-Jr2;)06:05
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fireunLuke-Jr2: sure, just send to the following address06:05
Luke-Jr2>.>06:06
fireunyeah, ME06:06
fireund-:06:06
Luke-Jr2robot101 any workaround?06:06
fireunLuke-Jr2: and I'll send you a replacement n770 thereafter06:07
Robot101Luke-Jr2: can you ping me here tomorrow? i gotta sleep now06:07
Luke-Jr2fireun take some logic classes ;)06:07
Robot101Luke-Jr2: I just mailed the Nokia rtcom guys to ask if we can push an update somehow06:07
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Robot101Luke-Jr2: otherwise, I need to get one of our lm guys to do a release we can build on the sdk and put onto maemo.org or something06:08
Robot101but its 4am06:08
Robot101--> sleep06:08
Luke-Jr2:(06:08
fireunLuke-Jr2: logic does tend to squash sillyness06:09
Luke-Jr2sigh06:09
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Lanzaim not sure07:24
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fireunLanza: can you be more specific?07:26
Lanzasorry, i fixed it07:27
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fireunso you di07:29
fireund07:29
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StsN800heh, gsoc prposals 'some of them very well written and complete'09:19
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fireunyay, 11th hour paper finished09:56
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jaem_N810hello folks10:37
Garfeildre10:37
jaem_N810so... any good ideas for prying the lens cap off of a traffic light without stabbing myself?10:38
jaem_N810...on reflection, that probably needs some context10:38
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jaem_N810I have a Green light (legally obtained), and they've sealed the green cover on quite well, with gray goo10:39
jaem_N810any suggestions? :P10:39
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RST38hyou made it more boring, jaem10:47
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RST38hbut I would use a file on that goo10:48
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jaem_N810RST38h: I would, but it has a lip, with almost no spacing10:58
jaem_N810I tried scraping it out, but it's too elastic10:58
jaem_N810the most probable reason it has been retired is a few dead LEDs10:59
jaem_N810from the other's I've seen, getting it to power up shouldn't be too difficult, but I'll have to take off the cover10:59
jaem_N810thanks for the idea, though11:00
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b0unc3good morning11:05
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aquatixjeez_away: trying to make it suitable for your front lawn?11:08
aquatixso you can put it to red when you want to leave your home comfortably? :)11:08
JaffaMorning, all11:11
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RST38hjaem: if it is too elastic, use a niddle to pierce it, then tear11:11
RST38hs/niddle/needle/11:11
infobotRST38h meant: jaem: if it is too elastic, use a needle to pierce it, then tear11:11
jaem_N810RST38h: excellent idea - that might just work11:12
jaem_N810thanks11:12
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jaem_N810I didn't want to have to take my problem over to #trafficlightdisassembly11:12
jaem_N810they'd call me a noob11:12
jaem_N810:P11:12
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x29a_i did join11:14
RST38hhttp://www.pyongyangtrafficgirls.com/   <--- !11:14
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jaem_N810RST38h: dare I ask?11:15
aquatixRST38h: whoa11:15
jaem_N810I'll take that as a no11:15
RST38hjaem: No, you can't have my URL sources.11:15
aquatixthose women are scary11:15
jaem_N810RST38h: I don't /want/ to11:15
jaem_N810>_<11:16
x29aguess shell tell you in other situations as well where to go11:16
RST38haquatix: Have I ever quoted something that wasn't? =)11:16
aquatixnot sure11:16
aquatixi didn't keep track :)11:16
jaem_N810RST38h: not while I've been around11:16
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jaem_N810g'night, #maemo11:17
jaem_N810thanks again11:17
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aquatixmeh, nn11:17
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aquatixwhoa: http://hollywoodphony.wordpress.com/2009/03/27/i-am-salieri/11:39
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wazdhello world11:53
* zakkm stood in programming class wondering if world ever replied back to hello11:54
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RST38hhello wazd11:57
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RST38hwazd: Found a problem with the menu image: the icons are not evenly spaced11:57
RST38hwazd: they are all 115x115, but vertical positions vary a bit11:58
RST38hwazd: if you center every icon inside its respective 160x160 spot, will it still look ok?11:58
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wazdRST38h: not quite11:59
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wazdRST38h: spaces between buttons will be lrger than border spacing12:00
wazdRST38h: it looks not so nice12:01
lardmanmorning all12:01
wazdlardman: hey12:01
lardmanhi wazd12:01
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lardmanchoices, choices, read about 2D phase unwrapping or debug MATLAB mex files, what a wonderful day12:02
RST38hwazd: Ok, how about keeping them grouped at the center, but spacing them evenly at some nice-to remember coordinates?12:02
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RST38hwazd: like 40, 180, 320 horizontally and 20,160,... vertically (assuming that icons are all 120x120)12:05
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Myrttiblach.12:10
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LiraNunaanyone knows this site? https://www.cell2get.com12:19
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lcukMyrtti, legs ok now?12:33
Myrtticould be better, but am okish12:34
lcukgood, you just need to tour ikea a few more times ;)12:34
lcukwalk it off :P12:34
lcukmy missus loves that place12:35
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Khertan1Hello12:58
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qgilscoop: https://maemo.org/news/announcements/developer_call_mozilla_maemo_danish_weekend/13:00
Stskeepshehe, was waiting for that :)13:01
qgilargh: http://maemo.org/news/announcements/developer_call_mozilla_maemo_danish_weekend/13:01
qgilthat "s"13:01
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lcukw00000t qgil :D13:03
lcukStskeeps, you better have some danish bacon there :P13:03
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Stskeepswe have plenty of danish bacon.13:03
Stskeeps:P13:03
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qgilok, and now I will try to make my first itt news.... anything better than the current top post :)13:04
qgilif someone wants to help, I didn't have time to populate with links http://wiki.maemo.org/MozillaMaemoDanishWeekend13:05
Stskeepshehe, yeah13:05
lcukuse the top post to time yourself replacing the top post13:05
qgilat least one to the Mer project  ;)13:05
* RST38h EHLOs qgil13:09
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sampohey does anyone know what could be problem in my sb becouse name resolving doesnt work and it does work outside sb.. my resolv.conf in sb is the same as it is outside sb...13:12
qgilwell, I can't find my login/psw for the ITt blog, so EOF13:12
jumpulasampo: check nsswitch.conf as well13:14
timelE61iqGil: never againm13:16
sampojumpula: it looks the same, but it still cant resolv dns..13:17
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jumpulalooks the same or is the same? :)13:18
jumpulawell, no need to be same13:18
sampojumpula: host: line atleast13:19
jumpulabut a line like hosts: files dns should be nice inside sb13:19
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jumpulano mdns4_minimal mdns4 and absolutely no [NOTFOUND=return] before dns13:19
sampothats the problem13:20
sampo:)13:20
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sampojumpula:  hosts:      dns files mdns4_minimal [NOTFOUND=return] mdns4 nis nisplus13:20
sampostill wont work13:20
jumpulajust put there:13:20
jumpulahosts: files dns13:21
jumpula(inside sb913:21
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qgilwell, at least http://www.internettablettalk.com/forums/showthread.php?p=27704313:21
sampoit was that way before i started to edit it :)13:21
qgiltimelE61i: what never again?13:21
sampojumpula: it should take effect immidiately no need for logging out?13:22
wazdqgil: hello13:22
wazdqgil: I have a question bout FRUCT cnference)13:22
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Stskeeps'lo qwerty1213:23
qwerty12hey Stskeeps13:23
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ukkiqwerty12: pong13:24
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qwerty12ukki, I just wanted to ping you on: http://www.internettablettalk.com/forums/showpost.php?p=276920&postcount=12513:25
jumpulasampo: yes13:25
ukkiqwerty12: k, thanks13:26
sampojumpula: well it is weird... it used to work just fine... could it be something wrong with my network?13:27
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jumpulayou changed the entry to list only files and dns?13:29
jumpulathat is, changed the file inside scratchbox to list that13:30
sampoin nsswitch.conf yeas13:30
sampowhat do you mean...in that file it has now: hosts: files dns13:30
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jumpula[sbox-maemo5-armv7: ~] > grep ^hosts /scratchbox/etc/nsswitch.conf13:31
jumpulahosts:          files dns13:31
sampoand in resolv.conf i have the same dns's than resolv.conf outside sb13:31
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sampojumpula: it just wont work13:34
sampooh13:34
jumpulaare the host tools the ones that complain about not being able to resolv names?13:34
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timelE61ii will never again join a maemo- list13:35
qwerty12timelE61i, ignorance is bliss13:35
sampojumpula: i edited resolv.conf inside a target.. not outside sb and file /scratchbox/etc/resolv.conf13:35
samponow it works :)13:35
jumpulayes13:36
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sampojumpula: why there are those resolv.conf files inside a taget too?13:36
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jumpulatarget's binaries use them13:36
sampoi rember i used to edit only those and it used to work13:36
jumpulalike normal stuff13:36
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jumpulabut the host tools have either /scratchbox/tools or /scratchbox/devkits/devkit-name prefix13:37
sampook.. it was apt-get which wasnt resolving hostname13:37
jumpulayes13:38
jumpulaand that comes from debian devkit by default13:38
sampobut thanx for help :)13:38
sampoyeah.. is there a way to set one global resolv.conf ?13:38
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tekojotimelE61i: what, the obesity discussion?13:45
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timelE61iyEs13:47
timelE61iI unsubscribed13:47
timelE61iI will never again subscribe to a maemo- list13:47
tekojoOh come on13:48
timelE61iTekojo: advocacy is inappropriate13:48
timelE61iAnd i already have enough problems w/ lawyers13:48
timelE61iEmployees should not be pushed/drawn into positions where they have to deal with them13:48
tekojotimel61i: I agree, but unsubscribing rather hurts us all13:49
timelE61iYep13:49
Stskeepsheh, last thing i want -community to turn into is debian-legal :>13:49
timelE61iFix your community so you don't lose the next nokian13:49
timelE61iYou lost this one13:49
tekojoI do agree that you shouldn't be put to that position13:49
timelE61iThat means someone needs a code of conduct13:49
timelE61i(council)13:50
tekojobut in an open community list it is hard to stop people pre-emptively from saying things13:50
* timelE61i shrugs13:50
tekojoHowever code of conduct would be good13:50
Stskeepsyeah, a code of conduct is missing a bit13:50
tekojoAnyone from the council listening?13:52
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RST38hI think the council needs to moderate the mailing lists and ban people for violating THE RULES!13:55
RST38hAlso establish the three-strikes-and-you-are-out law.13:55
RST38hAnd do ban preemptively, based on google search for poster's activities13:55
wazdDon't think, OBEY!13:56
wazd1st rule)13:57
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VDVsxmorning all14:09
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lardmanmorning VDVsx14:11
RST38hAlmost forgot: you do not want random people on those lists, only accept people approved by the majority of council members14:12
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Stskeepswazd: http://wiki.maemo.org/MozillaMaemoDanishWeekend14:37
Stskeepsbtw (includes mer :)14:37
X-FadeStskeeps: Sure, and it should..14:37
Stskeepshehe, you going to show up as well?14:38
X-FadeIf all goes according to plan, yes. I intend to at least ;)14:39
qgilwazd: any question about FRUCT to Timofey since I know little else than what was announced, thanks!14:39
lcukX-Fade, get a beer shield14:39
StskeepsX-Fade: hehe, will be good to meet up with maemo people - i regret not going to last summit :)14:40
qgiltimelE61i: Spring has come to Finland, it's mild and sunny out there14:40
X-FadeStskeeps: It would be a nice place to discuss Mer's need for community services..14:40
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Stskeepsyeah14:40
Stskeepsi hope the new flashy 0.11 ui will attract some more people to the project ,heh14:40
Stskeepsmy masters thesis work load is starting to become bigger and bigger :)14:41
X-FadeStskeeps: Well, Mer deserves more spotlight.14:41
RST38hIs MeR fully functional on a tablet now?14:41
StskeepsRST38h: oh, it works, boots and runs, connects to wifi, eats your mother in law14:41
RST38hAudio works? =)14:41
Stskeepsnop, not yet14:41
X-FadeLol, Sebastian cracks me up ;)14:41
RST38heh14:41
Stskeepsthat's a difficult issue14:41
StskeepsRST38h: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8UtcGhei3cA , experiment with xcompmgr14:42
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X-FadeStskeeps: Funny to see the cpu monitor go to 100% when doing fancy things ;)14:44
X-FadeBut at least it gives a nice idea of what can be done with proper .... drivers.14:44
RST38hSts: so slow...14:44
StskeepsRST38h: yeah, xcompmgr and lack of decent X server14:45
StskeepsRST38h: ui is better without effects14:45
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* RST38h still does not like the task navigator placement14:46
qwerty12Stskeeps, no point in uploading transset-df then? ;)14:46
RST38hlooks awkward14:46
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StskeepsRST38h: the mer menu or?14:46
RST38hmer menu14:48
Stskeeps*nod*14:48
Stskeepswhere'd you want it then? it's kinda nice to have in a corner14:48
RST38hI really like the traditional Hildon desktop better14:48
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RST38hThe one in Mer currently looks hackish14:48
* lcuk likes bottom right as well14:48
Stskeeps.. bottom right?14:48
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lcuki wish we could have alternative layouts14:49
lcukyeah i dont mind the sidebar14:49
Stskeepswe can, mostly14:49
Stskeepsbut some of it requires a hildon-desktop thing14:49
lcukyeah thats the prob14:49
lcukbut i dont mind and will adapt :)14:49
lcuki just cant test properly till i can get a network options dialog working14:50
wazdnothing should be at the bottom14:51
wazdapplication controls are at the bottom14:51
lcukwazd, users are different14:51
lcukwhat you think is one thing, what others think is another - i dont want to have to goto top of screen to task switch14:52
lcukits what ive always said: choice14:52
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RST38hwazd: he means left-bottom corner14:53
lcukwhat happens if we allow the panels themselves to be mobile?14:53
RST38hwazd: not the bottom bottom :)14:53
* RST38h basically thinks that the clutter of many-styled icons with different meanings in the top bar makes the whole layout look unprofessional14:54
lcukRST38h, i see nothing wrong with app nobbles along the bottom (like windows does - but spread them dynamically)14:54
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lcukbut i know thats a big problem because of the way apps work14:54
lcukthe sidebar is practical for my  uses14:54
RST38hlcuk: There is a dumb argument against that. Wanna guess it or should I tell? ;)14:54
lcuk^^^14:54
* Stskeeps has his xp taskbar in the top.14:54
RST38hnot even that14:54
lcukgfi14:55
RST38hlcuk: You have already got an elongated screen (i.e. not 4/3)14:55
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lcukand?14:55
RST38hlcuk: cutting any vertical space makes it more elongated14:55
lcukbut thats exactly what the top bar does already14:55
RST38hlcuk: which is bad for just about any application other than a video player14:55
lcukjust move the bloody thing to the bottom ;)14:55
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RST38hlcuk: No, the current ugly top bar uses the same space the old less-ugly top bar took on Maemo14:56
lcukRST38h, we have a solution to the in [FULLSCREEN]14:56
RST38hlcuk: Yes, but I wouldlike that space in windowed mode too14:56
lcukyes i know all the issues with screen space14:56
RST38hlcuk: MOVING the bar to the bottom isn't a bad idea14:56
lcukthen make every  portion of every panel optional14:56
lcukyeah thats what i meant14:56
lcukbut that gets in the way of app menus (like word selection etc)14:57
RST38hBut it will still have those ugly icon clutter =(14:57
lcuk-menus + choices14:57
lcukit only has ugly icon clutter because its doin ugly stuff, my desktop has 3 icons - battery, wifi and something else14:57
lcukif people have lots of stuff theres no elegent way to minimize it without dynamically resizing icons (which is entirely feasible (H))14:58
RST38hlcuk: No, Mer has got task manager there14:58
RST38hlcuk: So it will show all active tasks as icons there, and you can't guarantee that all these icons will look uniformly14:59
wazdlcuk: you don't want to go to the top to switch apps?) Well, poor you :)14:59
* lcuk will have to make a panel demonstration to describe how i feel14:59
* RST38h thinks the task list has to be all hidden in a single menu14:59
lcukRST38h, spread across available space its not bad :)14:59
wazdlcuk: Developers would not write 1000 lines of code for 1 person with some religious restrictions :)15:00
RST38hlcuk: urgh.15:00
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timelE61iqGil: yeah, time for me to go elsewhere :)15:00
RST38hwazd: What if he has got a nuke and is ready to launch? =)15:00
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RST38h[lcuk, get a nuke, quickly]15:00
lcukwazd?  most oses have movable panels and dynamic elements15:00
lcukand what if that religious person can code the 1000 lines himself  :)15:00
wazdlcuk: none of portable has it15:01
lcukthe sidebar has been a practical part of the os now for a long time15:01
wazdlcuk: winmo, symbian, blackberry, iphone - none15:01
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ElPolloQuestion: The IPV4 tab in the network connections app in mer, what order are the columns? ip - netmask - gate?15:04
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lcukwazd, dont they all have a single button right near the bottom middle of the screen to bring up menus and controls - most you dont explicitely need to goto the top of the screen for15:06
wazdlcuk: well, they don't :)15:07
wazdlcuk: winmo - top-right, blackberry - hardware, symbian - hardware, iphone - hardware15:07
lcukwinmo depends on the phone model but those models have a "menu" type button in the usual place15:08
lcukwinmo ^15:08
wazdwinmp - top-left, sorry15:08
wazdlcuk: ok, winmo has hardware button too if you mean smartphone edition15:09
lcukdoesnt matter anyway, like i said ill play much more and it will evolve, its certainly not any kind of issue15:09
RST38hwazd,lcuk: Folks, by now it appears clear that this stuff has to become configurable15:10
wazdok, how can you place mer menu button on the bottom?)15:10
wazdI'm just curious15:11
RST38hwazd: he really just wants to be able to move the whole top bar to the bottom15:11
RST38hwazd: That should pose no problem as it is not taking any extra space15:11
wazdRST38h: and it will mess with app's controls?15:11
lcuki dont i know that causes bigger problems15:11
RST38hjust swaps things aroung15:11
* lcuk merely expressed the fact i like the sidebar15:11
RST38hwazd: the app control bar can be automatically moved up15:11
* VDVsx thinks winmo UI is the most poorly UI seen so far on a mobile device :P15:11
* RST38h also likes sidebar btw15:11
wazdRST38h: app controlls on the top?)15:11
RST38hwazd: yea, why not?15:11
RST38hwazd: but this kind of trick really shouldn't be difficult to achieve15:12
wazdRST38h: that needs to improve themes15:12
RST38hyea15:12
RST38hSts: But no way to return the sidebar?15:12
lcukRST38h, it impacts a lot of things and shock horror thetop bar will then look empty and might need some sort of caption bar for the current application or something ;)15:13
RST38hlcuk: Like the original thing :)15:13
RST38hlcuk: Although I can trade the title for more status bar space :)15:14
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lcukagreed15:14
lcukthe little closeup thing feels so wrong15:14
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* lcuk would resize all icons to fit required area15:14
wazdAnd again15:15
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wazdI don't understand why the hell a button right under your left thumb would be uncomfortable to you15:15
lcukeh? im left handed, i hold it with my right hand15:16
lcukand i hold it near the bottom of the scree n near the n810 sliding hinge thing15:17
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lcuki dont wrap around the top at all15:17
RST38hNOW we know :)15:17
wazdlcuk: so we need an option to reverse the title?)15:17
wazdlcuk: that's actually much easier than making it movable15:18
Stskeepsi'm all for configurability if someone sends a patch.15:18
Stskeepswill gladly add it15:18
Stskeepsmer = less talking, more doing15:18
lcukwazd,like i said, ill get used to it - i use normal scissors and stuff ;)15:19
lcukand if im really pissed off with something i code around the problem ;)15:20
lcukbbl anyway \o15:20
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JvAHi! Maemo can make use of user-mode filesystems drivers, right?15:36
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qwerty12FUSE is in Extras if that is what you mean15:38
JvAperfect15:39
JvAthanks :)15:40
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jeez_awayaquatix: I'm sorry ?!15:55
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aquatixeh?15:56
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aquatixjeez__: what's up?15:57
jeez__[05:08] <aquatix> jeez_away: trying to make it suitable for your front lawn?15:59
jeez__[05:08] <aquatix> so you can put it to red when you want to leave your home comfortably? :)15:59
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jeez__aquatix: ^^16:00
aquatixah :)16:00
aquatixso you can let the other cars wait till you cross the street16:01
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jeez__aquatix: I'm sorry again :P, but I really don't know what you are talking about!16:03
aquatixoh crap16:04
aquatixjeez__: sorry, tab error16:04
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aquatixi meant jaem_N81016:04
aquatixmy sincere apologies :)16:05
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jeez__aquatix: no problem :)16:05
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mib_cbsa15neany mentor here?16:24
VDVsxmib_cbsa15ne, what you need ?16:24
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mib_cbsa15nefor GSoC16:24
VDVsxmib_cbsa15ne, yup16:25
mib_cbsa15neDo we need to specify the deliverables in application right now?16:26
mib_cbsa15neI will like to take up the OpenSocial application16:27
mib_cbsa15neMy profile link :http://www.linkedin.com/in/sharmamahesh16:28
VDVsxmib_cbsa15ne, yes, you have to reply to all the questions in the student template16:28
mib_cbsa15neI havent worked on Maemo but :'(16:28
mib_cbsa15neI thought I would learn while working.16:29
rioti'm looking for a mentor for gsoc. Custom application i'm about to plan/build concerning audio/midi with touch interfaces16:32
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riotits not exaaactly maemo-specific because i build it in python, but i already planned (from the beginning) to use it on my n810, so i can actually develop it for maemo first.16:33
VDVsxriot, make a proposal :P16:34
riotVDVsx: you think it might get accepted? ;)16:34
VDVsxriot, dunno, can you explain your project a little bit further ?16:35
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riotcan do. i already developed a (very stupid) first prototype. It enables to control two midi-parameters via finger touch (and udp to a e.g. windows machine running a virtual synth). Like korg's kaoss devices (thus the project name: Chaoss). But i thought that i could extend it to a way more complete platform by integrating whole sequencers (e.g. http://www.glitchds.com/about/ ) and lots of other ideas16:38
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VDVsxriot, seems interesting to me, see also : http://geekpenguin.blogspot.com/2009/03/tablet-music-making.html16:40
rioti tried the theremin, its quite going into my direction16:41
riotok, then i'll write a proposal :)16:41
riotaah, one thing: what license would this have to be published under?16:42
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VDVsxriot, OSI license, choose one :P16:46
JvASomeone here who can answer question about Maemo GSoC?16:47
JvAquestions*16:47
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riotVDVsx: i'd like to restrict commercial use, do you think that is possible/acceptable?16:51
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VDVsxriot, why ?16:52
GAN800Can somebody fix qgil's camelCase page on the wiki?16:52
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VDVsxGAN800, ?16:52
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GAN800The Mozilla meetup page on the wiki16:53
GAN800It needs to be moved to a name that's not camelCasr16:53
fiferboylbt: ping16:53
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VDVsxfrade, pvt ?16:55
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riotVDVsx: it probably doesn't make much sense to restrict that, but i thought i might eventually found a small company dedicated to manufacturing special studio/live hardware to run the software lateron..16:57
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riothttp://www.jazzmutant.com/lemur_overview.php < these things are way expensive, you know ;)16:58
VDVsxriot, AGPL v3 can do that, I think, but I'm not a license expert, better check it16:59
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riotwell its not that important.. i could also work out a nice business model around fully gpl'd code, like special order modules etc.17:02
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Stskeepsok, Internet Call and Chat.. rtcomm/telepathy based and closed source UI, right?17:14
VDVsxX-Fade, ping17:15
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qwerty12Stskeeps, rtcomm isn't really a thing. it's more of a collective name given to the chat, internet call etc. http://repository.maemo.org/rtcomm/pool/diablo/free/ is a nice folder to look at.17:16
Stskeepsok, so what is the internet call stuff?17:17
Stskeepsand Quiver is the best images viewer but is closed source?17:18
qwerty12yes17:18
Stskeepsk17:18
qwerty12(I would add IMHO but it really is the best but is closed source)17:18
* Stskeeps is writing 1.0 wishlist)17:18
Stskeepsand calculators that aren't ATI?17:20
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qwerty12Maemo calculators are common as anything, the Maemo default one is open source, Galculator has hildon support in it (When I packaged it for Maemo, I just added fullscreen and tap and hold: http://maemo.org/downloads/product/OS2008/galculator/)17:21
VDVsxAnyone here with maemo wiki delete premissions ?17:21
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tank-manjust start an edit war17:23
tank-manedit it to what you want17:23
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lcukVDVsx, :O you can delete stuff from a wiki, i thought it existed always and forever - set in stone sorta thing17:29
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lcukeverytime i make a cockup, i edit a further 50 pages to lose it in the noise17:29
VDVsxlcuk, admin's can17:29
lcukadmins are gods :O17:29
VDVsxlcuk, I redirected a page instead of moving it, I will be kicked in the next couple of min/hours :(17:31
lcukflogged, tarred and feathered by x-fade no doubt17:31
lcuk(after hes finished with qwerty that is)17:31
VDVsxand GAN too :(17:32
lcukwhats gan done to deserve a flogging?17:32
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VDVsxlcuk, no, GAN will kick me too :p17:33
lcukhehe17:33
* VDVsx hide17:34
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lcuknew calculator for gsoc proposal: http://thedailywtf.com/Articles/OMGWTF-Finalist-06-OMG!OCRCAL.aspx17:41
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VDVsxlcuk, OMG :o17:43
VDVsxcrazy people, go do something useful :P17:44
svu__alterego, ping?17:44
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lopzhola17:47
Stskeepshmm, do you believe in a lot of apps preinstalled or basic stuff installed and then downloadable?17:52
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qwerty12I like *some* "good" (but of course: this is my definition of good...) apps installed but I hated Nokia's approach to installing 3rd party apps, those icons in the menu, like "Install Skype?"17:54
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* VDVsx likes lots of apps to play around, but like to have the best one's in each category instead of 3000 apps doing the same :P17:55
Stskeepsas in, i prefer an initial firmware with the basic stuff, connectivity, browser and maybe media player, and application manager to install the rest17:55
qwerty12Well, Extras is available so at least I can get mmpc easily. I'm happy.17:56
Stskeepsjust pondering how 1.0 should look17:56
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timelE61ihow about a decent file manager?17:57
lardman+1 for that17:57
Stskeepsah, yeah17:57
Stskeepswe actually have a good candidate17:57
timelE61iReally?17:57
timelE61iWhere?17:58
Stskeepssome student was bored enough to write a clone of the Nokia one17:58
timelE61iDid he clone its bugs?17:58
qwerty12http://qwerty12.maemobox.org/finefm.png17:58
* timelE61i hopes not17:58
Stskeepsno clue, but at least they're fixable..17:58
qwerty12Well, it uses libhildonfm...17:58
timelE61ithat's a bug17:58
JvAVDVsx: Can I ask you questions about Maemo GSoC?17:58
lardmanat least you can specify a path at the top though17:58
VDVsxJvA, sure17:59
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JvAVDVsx: Can I msg you?17:59
timelE61iI'm not sure that's a feature17:59
ShadowJKThe nokia one has this charming habbit when "moving" a file over bluetooth, if the file transfer fails, it still deletes the source file, leaving you at best with the broken destination file :)17:59
VDVsxJvA, ok17:59
timelE61iThe osx behavior is arguably better17:59
timelE61iHeh17:59
Stskeepsin any case, we're able to hack the living bits out of this one17:59
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lardmanStskeeps: how have you dealt with the proprietary bits, or is this looking forward some way?18:01
lardmanas in the battery stuff, etc18:01
Stskeepslardman: right now we don't have battery stuff, until someone writes a hald-addon-bme based on my writeup on how BME communicates18:02
Stskeepsdaperl was working on it but got distracted18:02
Stskeepslardman: the software and everything for making "restricted" images is all ready18:02
Stskeepshttp://wiki.maemo.org/Mer/Proposals/Community_Firmware18:02
* lardman mumbles about a mailing list being useful to keep up to date ;)18:02
Stskeepsyeah.. i know18:03
lardmanwhere's your write-up out of interest?18:03
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Stskeepshttp://wiki.maemo.org/Mer/Documentation/BME_Protocol18:03
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lardmanthanks18:05
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lardmanam off home now, cu all later18:05
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crashanddiejust a quick question, when the hell are we going to get a unified UI on our n81020:19
crashanddies/1/x/20:20
infobotcrashanddie meant: just a quick question, when the hell are we going to get a unified UI on our n8x020:20
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crashanddieI mean, seriously, the only reason why I can't be bothered to take my n810 with me anymore is that it's just so dog slow because it has to load 10s of different libraries20:20
Stskeepscrashanddie: it's called Mer? :P20:21
Stskeepsand library hell is something linux has sadly taken over from windows, heh20:21
crashanddiewe've had enough time to play around with the beauty of it's openess, how about we all got round to actually building something that looks like a product, and that a stack pile of half finished dong clonked together?20:21
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crashanddieit's an its20:21
crashanddies/and that/rather than/20:22
Stskeepscrashanddie: btw, hackfest in copenhagen in end of may, maemo-mozilla-mer20:22
crashanddieI'm already taken that weekend, sadly20:23
Stskeepsk20:23
crashanddiegranps 80s anniversary!20:23
lcuki see you got liqbase up and running then seb :P20:23
crashanddielcuk: how about you give me something to play with, and I'll give you an OS that does only that, use liqbase as its graphical interface?20:24
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crashanddieno shit about loading GTK, QT, Python and all the crap we have running on the n8x0 at the moment20:25
lcukive given you something to play with, you have the core liqbase library source now :)20:25
Stskeepscrashanddie: i vote for qt20:25
crashanddieStskeeps: if this were a 1.2Ghz CPU with 512 megs of ram, I might be inclined to agree with you20:26
Stskeepscrashanddie: well if i had qtopia on my silly ipaq 3630..20:26
crashanddieStskeeps: sadly, it's only a quarter of that20:26
lcukqt isnt slow20:26
lcuki wouldv used it (and still might end up creating a c++ based ui which uses qt object libraries ;)20:27
crashanddielcuk: would liqbase be able to handle say.... 5000 different cells containing a bit of text?20:27
lcuktry it :)20:27
crashanddielcuk: would it or not?20:28
lcukyes20:28
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lcuknot all on screen at once, but yeah on a big tilemap20:28
crashanddiei defy anyone to do the same in a Qt window20:28
lcukthey can20:28
lcukits easy20:28
b0unc3_hey, there is no substr function in glib ?20:28
lcuktheres a super map in qt20:28
crashanddieshow me20:28
crashanddieI've had bad experiences with Qt in the past20:28
crashanddieas much as I do believe it has potentiel, I don't think we're there yet20:28
crashanddieand sod it, Qt or anything else, I don't give a fuck, not my point20:29
crashanddieI want a unified UI20:29
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crashanddieI don't want to have a beautiful home screen window, which is ruined by ugly big fonts and poorly drawn windows that take up half the screen real estate as soon as I open a browser20:30
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crashanddiefor crying out loud, we have double the pixel density of the iphone, but yet achieve to only display what, a quarter of the information?20:30
crashanddie(This rant is brought to you by PowerGen)20:30
crashanddieActually, it isn't, it's inspired by Fennec20:31
Stskeepscrashanddie: part of it is from maemo not applying sane theming to non-hildon apps really20:31
crashanddieStskeeps: I know that, trust me I do20:31
crashanddieStskeeps: but having an explanation for it does not excuse it20:31
Stskeepsof course not20:31
* Stskeeps stopped complaining and started doing instead though20:31
crashanddieoh, Stskeeps fuck off :P How many times did I come here to complain?20:32
lcukhttp://labs.trolltech.com/blogs/2009/03/03/performance-and-qt-45/20:32
Stskeepscrashanddie: s/complain/rant/ :P20:32
crashanddieAnd I do help... I give lcuk my unconditionnal support and assistance20:32
crashanddiewhich is worth 5% of $580k20:32
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lcukheh20:32
Stskeepshehe20:32
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lcukmmm unconditional you say20:33
crashanddieStskeeps: you think I rant here too often? Wait until you see my blog20:33
Stskeepscrashanddie: saw http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8UtcGhei3cA ? ignore the slow effects20:33
Stskeepsand the unthemed top bar20:33
lcukshame you cant tell youtube to play at doublespeed20:34
lcuk:D20:34
crashanddieStskeeps: I like that20:34
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JvAVDVsx: Got some more time?20:34
crashanddieStskeeps: is there a fiasco image ready somewhere allowing me to get Mer easily?20:34
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Stskeepscrashanddie: there's a kernel + jffs image but it's kinda experimental still20:35
Stskeepsyou can also try it on the vmdk20:35
crashanddieStskeeps: I'd contribute to that :)20:35
Stskeepsjust pop it into vmware or virtualbox20:35
crashanddieNha, sorry, no can do20:35
Stskeepsfair enough20:35
crashanddieI run 3 VMs from 9AM till 11PM, I can't see the VMware icon after hours20:36
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Stskeepshehe20:36
crashanddieI don't mind experimental20:36
crashanddieas long as I can flash back to a usable state20:36
crashanddiebtw, n810 here, anyone got a place I can buy a minisd to microsd adapter?20:37
qwerty12_N800You can boot from card; or dump your flash20:37
crashanddie(that works, I heard sandisk adapters were dodgy at best)20:37
crashanddieI'll buy a 16gig microsd right away if someone gets me that :)20:38
Stskeepscrashanddie: if flash back meaning reflash using the fiasco image from nokia, sure :P20:38
crashanddieStskeeps: yeah20:38
crashanddieStskeeps: as long as it doesn't brick my device I'm good :)20:38
Stskeepsjust hope http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hcm5TYGwTwU doesn't happen to you20:38
crashanddielmao20:39
crashanddierefresh rate fail?20:39
Stskeeps(that is btw, my tablet.)20:39
Stskeepsno idea20:39
Stskeepssynchronization fail20:39
Stskeepsit stays stable at times and is unusually effective at getting me awake in the morning20:40
crashanddieso? Anyone?20:40
crashanddie(mini-sd converter)20:40
VDVsxJvA, yup20:42
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Stskeepscrashanddie: http://wiki.maemo.org/Mer/Releases/0.11testing2 for testing20:42
Stskeepsjffs + kernel20:42
Stskeepshttp://wiki.maemo.org/Mer/Documentation/Installation#Flashable_Image20:43
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fiferboycrashanddie: I've got a Qt program that displays 700000+ cells with text20:47
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fiferboyWhere you run into problems is when you try dynamically resizing every cell to fit it's contents.  That would take a year.20:47
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Stskeeps'lo yerga20:48
bjvhalp, i cant install anything from repos20:48
bjvlibwebkit depends on libglib2.12.12-1osso10       but i run 2.12.12-1osso920:48
yergaHi Stskeeps20:48
bjvand upgrading to 10 will bust my whole system - so im not.20:48
qwerty12_N800bjv: 770? run os2008he on it?20:48
bjvdespite the dependency, webkit runs fine with 9,  - no crashes, no errors20:48
bjvqwerty12_N800: this is 2008HE20:49
qwerty12_N800yerga: hey, tried gftp .19 maemo3 yet? :)20:49
crashanddieanyone had any issues with sandisk micro -> mini adaptors?20:49
bjveven if i could install packages, i dont see an Equivs available in the repo20:49
bjvso i cant make a dummy package.20:49
qwerty12_N800bjv: you're out of luck then, glib is newer in diablo - which isn't available for 77020:49
yergaqwerty12_N800, tried maemo1 yesterday, not yet maemo320:49
bjvwhat about just suppressing the apt-error20:50
* Stskeeps ponders to try out testing2 on 77020:50
qwerty12_N800yerga: cool :)20:50
bjvi just want to be able to install other, unrelated packages20:50
bjvwithout having to uninstall/reinstall webkit20:50
crashanddiec'mon, got a train to catch20:50
crashanddies/mon/ya/20:50
infobotcrashanddie meant: c'ya, got a train to catch20:51
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* b0unc3_ is happy with his home-made g_substr :)21:37
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lcukb0unc3_, doesnt that already exist /21:42
* lcuk has remade stuffs himself far too often though :D21:43
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* lcuk throws a lobster @ LinuxCode 21:44
woglindehi lcuk21:44
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lcukhiya woglinde \o21:44
lcukhow goes it21:44
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b0unc3_lcuk: I didn't find it... (in the offical docs)21:45
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lcukheh thats always the way21:45
woglindehm today I learned how to analyze a kernel oops21:46
woglindenifty21:46
lcuknot bad at all21:47
* lcuk misses guru meditations21:47
LinuxCodevening lcuk21:47
LinuxCodee21:47
LinuxCodeguru meditation errors ?21:48
LinuxCodehaha21:48
LinuxCodegod how annoying those were21:48
lcukthey only happened when something was broked21:48
LinuxCodekids these days dont know how to appreciate modern computers that dont crash21:48
lcuka crash is considered "normal"21:48
* lcuk shakes head21:48
LinuxCodelcuk, tell my amiga that21:48
LinuxCodelol21:49
lcukit was rare to have one21:49
lcukmaybe you just mistreated yours :P21:49
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LinuxCodemaybe lol21:50
LinuxCodeor I spent way too much time on it21:51
lcukprobably21:51
lcukhas it been sunny down your way21:52
LinuxCodeyes21:53
LinuxCodeI mowed the back lawn today21:53
lcukheh are you having a bbq soon21:54
LinuxCodedoubtful21:54
LinuxCodeits gonna piss down tomorrow21:55
lcukit was snowing last week21:55
lcukbut as soon as the sun came out ppl went to b&q21:55
LinuxCodeohh actually it wont21:55
lcukquick! you have 5 minutes before it shuts21:56
lcukthey have a sale on lol21:56
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LinuxCodesale on sun ?21:57
lcukyeah actually, 7 billion21:57
lcukibm are checking ;)21:57
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lcukevening qgil \o22:02
qgilanybody making plans for Copenhagen? I'm interested hearing first impressions about http://maemo.org/news/announcements/developer_call_mozilla_maemo_danish_weekend/22:02
VDVsxlcuk, 42 GSoC + 5 ineligible :)22:02
qgilhi lcuk22:02
lcukyeah VDVsx ive been watching22:03
VDVsxqgil, can't go to is in the same weekend of my graduation :(22:03
qgilargh22:03
Pavlovqgil: i'll be there22:04
Pavlov:)22:04
qgilcool22:04
lcukawww VDVsx, that is a shame, i was hoping you would be there22:04
Pavlovqgil: how many people are you expecting?22:04
lcukqgil, since theres some nokians going, are you planning a roadtrip!22:05
qgilit's a bit of a mystery since it also depends on the response of the Mozilla side22:05
qgilbut... 150?22:05
Pavlovi'm on the mozilla side, and wondering, heh.22:05
Pavlovi guess i should just ask Christian whenever he gets back22:05
VDVsxlcuk, don't worry, I will buy you the absinthe bottle in Amsterdam, ahahah22:05
lcukthats for qole, im not really a drinker22:06
* RST38h wonders what happens if grossly more people come from one of the sides22:06
qgilah, if more people would know how cool Maemo 5 is going to be in-your-hands.......22:06
lcukactually qgil, if theres t-shirts, make sure jussi isnt in charge of selection22:06
qgilRST38h: I'm expecting more people from the Maemo side22:06
* lcuk remembers his threat22:06
VDVsxlcuk, I have one, hehe22:07
lcukVDVsx, i have a couple22:07
qgilif the Fremantle Stars and the Mer project can get track of their contributors + other consolidated projects like GPodder etc22:07
lcuki wear them when coding22:07
RST38hqgil: Hehe =)22:07
qgilI would be happy if the council takes over the shirts  :)22:07
lcukheh good idea22:08
lcukhow was the rally today VDVsx22:09
VDVsxlcuk, lots of accidents, gonna see live tomorrow again22:10
qgilwe need to make sure that people understands that is a Mozilla/Maemo devloper event but not only about MozillaANDMaemo development22:10
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Stskeepsthink i'll put out a reference to the event along with the 0.11 mer release as well, to get some more eyes on it22:11
lcukqgil, but are those mozilla developers gonna showcase their browser stuffs?22:12
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lcukStskeeps, "free ticket with every download*"22:12
Stskeepsqgil: it might help to have the registration list online (think it was like that for the summit?), as well22:12
lcuk*entry fee only, you must travel to event under your own steam22:12
qgillcuk: ask the mozillas about their development but I guess so, of course22:13
lcukcool22:13
Stskeepsor at least a preliminary participants list on wiki22:13
qgilStskeeps: I though it would be online and visible - I'll ask on Monday22:13
Pavlovlcuk: we're working on an agenda, but we'll for sure cover browser stuffs, addons, cool stuff that you can do with maemo in fennec, etc22:15
lcuk\m/  :D   \m/22:15
Pavlovif you have any things you'd like to be covered specifically, just let me or others know22:15
qgilI just remembered that I got admin permission to that registration. 5 people registered now.  :)22:15
Pavlovthere are a lot of european addon developers, wouldn't surprise me to have a lot of them show up22:16
lcukPavlov, fast and slick is primary22:16
Pavlovah, yes, that should be pretty well covered22:16
lcukexcellent22:17
Stskeepsalso, i might have been a OSS developer for what 9 years now, and it's first now i hear of hackfests - maybe it would be good to state a bit of structure if there is any, beyond developers getting together for various purposes and tasks22:18
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qgilStskeeps: it is you who sets the structure  :)22:19
Stskeepshehe, okay22:20
qgilthere will be a schedule based on the input of the projects22:20
qgilyou can start thinking what do you want for the Mer related activities22:20
qgilno worris, we will assemble th pieces of the puzzle in a hopefully meaningful way, as we did at the end with the Maemo Summit22:21
qgilthe difference is that pure coding should take 50% of the schedule or more, so to say22:21
Stskeepsyeah - i have some ideas related to Mer 1.0 - which is the day-to-day usable Mer version, which many probably can find purpose in :P22:23
lcukhacking competition!22:23
Stskeepsgah, where is my rs-mmc to sd adaptor..22:26
Stskeepsthe one evening i feel like hacking a bit at the 770 port22:26
lcukbbl22:26
lcukcyas in a bit \o22:26
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Stskeepsanyone around with 2007HE? or earlier22:55
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Piohttp://www.pcconnection.com/IPA/Shop/Product/Detail.htm?sku=8179703&oext=1038A&ci_src=14110944&ci_sku=8179703 wow they are getting cheap!22:57
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Stskeepsyeah22:58
Piowhen did that happen, i looked like 6 months ago and they were still $350ish22:58
Pioi actually own 3 770s.. it'd be fun to finally move up to the 810 and i cant talk myself out of it by saying "for that money you could get a netbook!"22:59
Pioat that price22:59
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Stskeepsscary, it's actually usable23:08
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luke-jrPio: but a N810 is better than a netbook!@23:20
luke-jrwell, it could be if the keyboard didn't suck anyhow23:20
Pioyeah, it can be23:20
Pioi always wander around with a 770 in my pocket, cant do that with a netbook23:21
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Stskeepsah23:33
Stskeepssolved the mystery of the missing menu in control panel23:33
Stskeepsthere is actually no menu items cos we don't have -DMAEMO_TOOLS (RFS, CUD)23:33
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Stskeeps(-> VDVsx )23:35
woglinde????23:35
Stskeepswoglinde: basically there's a define deciding if maemo tools exist on the system, restore to original state, for instance23:36
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VDVsxStskeeps, I don't have the magical button too, gonna dist-upgrade23:42
StskeepsVDVsx: k, and rm -rf ~/.osso/hildon-desktop and reboot23:42
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VDVsxStskeeps, the UI response in mer 0.11 seems a little bit faster than in 0.9 (specially the app menu)23:49
Stskeepsprobably also helps a little bit that we removed tty2..9, heh23:50
Stskeepslike, login shells on them23:50
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VDVsxStskeeps, the application manager is the new one for fremantle  or is a custom made for mer ?23:52
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Stskeeps.. in between23:52
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VDVsxseems similar to the one shown in the maemo 5 on the beagleboard video23:53
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Stskeepsit's a snapshot of a fremantle application manager but it has maemo.org community extensions on it23:54
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* RST38h has completed a piece of a job23:55
qwerty12_N800Stskeeps: did Jaffa apply yerga's repository patch on it?23:57
Stskeepsqwerty12_N800: think so23:58
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Stskeepsqwerty12_N800: but i dunno23:58
qwerty12_N800Wicked: It's fkn useful.23:59

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