| lcuk | cool, i would probably electrocute myself if i had any of these bourd only jobbies ;) | 00:00 |
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| lcuk | tds5016, you can get vi i think, but its on a different repo | 00:00 |
| qwerty12_N800 | vi's built into busybox, vim is in extras | 00:01 |
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| lcuk | evening qwerty12_N800 \o | 00:02 |
| qwerty12_N800 | hey lcuk o/ :) | 00:02 |
| tds5016 | lcuk how do I add the repo? | 00:02 |
| tds5016 | haha. | 00:02 |
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| tds5016 | whtout having vi to add repos? | 00:02 |
| tds5016 | haha. | 00:02 |
| tds5016 | # echo "deb http://repository.maemo.org/ bora free non-free" >> /etc/apt/sources.list | 00:02 |
| tds5016 | guess I could do that as well? | 00:02 |
| tds5016 | should I replace bora with apache?? | 00:03 |
| lcuk | didn't you just read what qwerty said.. ? | 00:03 |
| tds5016 | and by apache I mean diablo. | 00:03 |
| tds5016 | haha. | 00:03 |
| tds5016 | oh, awesome. thanks! | 00:03 |
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| Garfeild | bb all | 00:07 |
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| nona | my icon is very small in the menu | 01:21 |
| nona | how can i fix it? | 01:21 |
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| jgurley | Quick question; sorry if this is already answered somewhere: Is there a way to disable WPA2 mode, ie make the device only connect via wpa1? | 01:53 |
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| Proteous | If I remember correctly there is an option to force only WPA2 but not to force only WPA1 | 02:02 |
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| jgurley | Proteous: Thanks! I actually found that one. My problem connecting at work is for some reason, during the WPA2 cert derivation, the server fails the Nokia's client cert challenge with WPA2, but it works correctly with wpa1. This worked fine until the sysadmin reconfigured the server to attempt a wpa2 connection first, and then fallback to wpa1. | 02:05 |
| jgurley | Unfortunately, the admin couldn't figure out what was going on, so I was hoping there was a way to disable wpa2 so I could enable that as a kludge while I try to figure out what is wrong with the WPA2 connection. | 02:06 |
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| GeneralAntilles | Ugh | 02:07 |
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| GeneralAntilles | Proteous, stupid Ubuntu keeps jumping between two of my APs and dropping all of my connections. | 02:14 |
| GeneralAntilles | Maemo can manage to roam without screwing everything up, but somehow Ubuntu can't | 02:14 |
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| jaem | did anyone see the IETF's new RFC? | 02:32 |
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| GeneralAntilles | jaem, default GNOME one I guess | 02:49 |
| jaem | ah - I haven't used that in a while... it was a bit lacking, if I recall | 02:49 |
| GeneralAntilles | Done. Had it. | 02:51 |
| GeneralAntilles | Let me know when they manage to produce a DE that isn't a steaming pile of uselessness. | 02:51 |
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| Proteous | Mmmm, steaming piles | 02:52 |
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| Macer | well Stskeeps .. i got it running | 03:10 |
| Macer | only as root tho.. can't seem to get it to run as a normal user but whatever :) | 03:10 |
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| Macer | /dev/ad0s1a 1.7G 1.5G 22M 99% / | 03:24 |
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| Labaudio | any theme maker here? | 06:06 |
| Labaudio | someone here | 06:07 |
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| Labaudio | hello? | 06:08 |
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| Labaudio | hey general | 06:12 |
| Labaudio | you here | 06:12 |
| Labaudio | its my first irc try | 06:12 |
| Labaudio | wanna know if all work | 06:13 |
| Lanza | yep, it works, sorry i cant be of more help | 06:13 |
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| vidriloco_ | Hi there. I have installed diablo 4.1 SDK within an scratchbox | 07:22 |
| vidriloco_ | my question is... why do i have no applications installed, and how can i install them? | 07:22 |
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| Macer | ugh | 07:32 |
| Macer | been working on this virtualbox in nexenta all day | 07:32 |
| Macer | it runs now though :) | 07:32 |
| Macer | gui and all | 07:32 |
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| * RST38h moos evilly | 08:26 | |
| * Proteous dreams of a steak | 08:26 | |
| Proteous | heeeerree RST38h, heeere boy, got some nice grass for you | 08:27 |
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| * RST38h bites off whatever controller substance Proteous is holding with Proteous' hand, half his rifle, and his head for a good measure | 08:29 | |
| RST38h | s/controller/controlled (too much coding) | 08:29 |
| Proteous | damn you herbavores and your molars | 08:29 |
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| Garfeild | hi all | 09:39 |
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| jaem | RST38h: ping! | 09:59 |
| zakkm | is the vmware thing going to happen? | 10:01 |
| jaem | good thing you didn't ask more than 1:57 minutes ago - you would have been lied to ;) | 10:02 |
| jaem | zakkm: I hope so, but I haven't seen any updates | 10:03 |
| zakkm | its 3am where ilive :D | 10:03 |
| jaem | I have a feeling that it will be mainly sold to manufacturers | 10:03 |
| zakkm | sounds really cool | 10:03 |
| jaem | also, VMWare made it fairly clear that one of their selling points is using VMs to further lock down phones and implement DRM | 10:03 |
| jaem | that said, VMWare is usually pretty good about providing free-for-personal use editions, so they may be nice to the hobbyist/hacker crowd | 10:04 |
| * jaem hopes so | 10:04 | |
| zakkm | seems kind of weird too, like it sounds so futuristic for the nokia in a way | 10:05 |
| jaem | well, I have my doubts about whether the N800 demo was completely legit | 10:05 |
| jaem | or at least, it may have been done in such a way that it looked better than it was | 10:05 |
| jaem | but it still could be very useful | 10:05 |
| zakkm | seemes like they opened it up, replaced with better parts ;p | 10:05 |
| jaem | just don't count on running two instances of Maemo at once, for example | 10:05 |
| Stskeeps | jaem: their technology is possible | 10:06 |
| zakkm | it was suppose to replace jffs too | 10:06 |
| jaem | Stskeeps: do you know something I haven't heard? | 10:06 |
| zakkm | it wasnt an maemo app | 10:06 |
| jaem | zakkm: yes, I realize | 10:06 |
| zakkm | its suppose to be a whole distro. | 10:06 |
| jaem | it's a hypervisor | 10:06 |
| Stskeeps | jaem: as in, the virtualization is possible | 10:06 |
| zakkm | no 3d acceleration, yet virtualization? hmmm :p | 10:06 |
| jaem | Stskeeps: the OMAP doesn't support hardware virtualization, though, right? | 10:07 |
| Stskeeps | jaem: and so didn't x86 initially, it was done through ring traps | 10:07 |
| Stskeeps | as far as i recall | 10:07 |
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| jaem | well, I'd like to play with it, anyhow | 10:08 |
| jaem | did you folks see http://www.thinkgeek.com/books/scifi/b747/ | 10:08 |
| jaem | epic | 10:08 |
| Shasie | quite | 10:08 |
| Shasie | perfomance will be terrible on omap 2xxx | 10:08 |
| qwerty12 | yerga, I think it's time gFTP got an update ;) | 10:08 |
| jaem | Shasie: that's the 770, right? | 10:08 |
| Stskeeps | jaem: and L4 ran on ARM before so | 10:09 |
| Shasie | nope 770 is 17xx omap, slower much | 10:09 |
| jaem | oh right | 10:09 |
| * jaem can't brain right now | 10:10 | |
| zakkm | i remeber 770 being painfully slow ;p | 10:10 |
| Shasie | :) | 10:10 |
| zakkm | before mine wsod'd. dang no warranty | 10:10 |
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| Shasie | Too good platform on a limited hw, thats main problem on 770 | 10:11 |
| Stskeeps | heh, i'm amazed how much they shrank down maemo to run on the 770 | 10:12 |
| zakkm | why does they use that shrunk down one for n800 and such | 10:13 |
| Shasie | Quiet... 770 using only ordinary phone proc, but for it usage! | 10:14 |
| Shasie | it=internet tablet dev | 10:14 |
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| Shasie | n8xx is quiet but not so powerful for "it" use | 10:15 |
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| L0cutus | re | 10:16 |
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| aquatix | good moaning | 10:20 |
| jaem | aaaauughhh | 10:20 |
| aquatix | free ristretto, get it while it's hot | 10:21 |
| zakkm | :O | 10:21 |
| * Stskeeps is going for danish morning bread instead | 10:22 | |
| * jaem wants cake, despite it not being morning | 10:22 | |
| aquatix | why not combining the two into a nice breakfast? | 10:22 |
| jaem | Stskeeps: what is this bread you speak of? | 10:23 |
| * jaem hasn't heard of it | 10:23 | |
| * Stskeeps isn't sure he can find pictures | 10:24 | |
| jaem | well, descriptions work too | 10:24 |
| jaem | after all, a word is worth 1/1000th of a picture | 10:25 |
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| LiraNuna | http://www.computerworld.com/action/article.do?command=viewArticleBasic&articleId=9130847 | 10:25 |
| LiraNuna | that must be the most sick joke ever | 10:25 |
| jaem | ...yeah | 10:25 |
| LiraNuna | I'm sick and tired of people praising the iphone when they don't evne know what the N810 is | 10:25 |
| Stskeeps | bbl bus | 10:25 |
| LiraNuna | esp after articles like that | 10:25 |
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| Stskeeps | LiraNuna: make a comment then | 10:26 |
| LiraNuna | I wish Nokia's marketing was working a little MORE | 10:26 |
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| LiraNuna | Stskeeps, like it'll help | 10:26 |
| Stskeeps | sometimes they'll have to accept errata :) | 10:26 |
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| LiraNuna | if only nokia slapped 3G on the N810 and gave it a mobile life | 10:26 |
| LiraNuna | it'd be WIN | 10:26 |
| jaem | btw, my physics prof ran across an interesting joke paper this morning | 10:27 |
| jaem | he's a cosmologist... | 10:27 |
| aquatix | LiraNuna: you mean, like the n810 wimax edition? ;) | 10:27 |
| aquatix | but i guess s/wimax/hsdpa would be more nice | 10:27 |
| aquatix | or lte in about a year | 10:27 |
| jaem | and apparently some other physicist wrote a paper claiming that the value of Pi increases with time (explaining why it was equal to 3 in ancient times :P), and that this solves the problems around the existence of "dark energy" | 10:27 |
| LiraNuna | aquatix, yeah, instead of pushing it harder, they killed it! | 10:28 |
| LiraNuna | someone should slap some sense into Nokia's marketing department | 10:28 |
| LiraNuna | jaem, hey - april's fools is april's fools! :D | 10:28 |
| * jaem slaps someone with the marketing stick | 10:28 | |
| jaem | LiraNuna: yes, but I found that amusing - maybe the digits of Pi only exist once they're calculated :P | 10:29 |
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| LiraNuna | http://liranuna.com/junk/mondi_n810.jpg // damn ripoff | 10:31 |
| qwerty12 | Eurgh, it has an IE logo on the keyboard | 10:31 |
| aquatix | LiraNuna: well, i don't think wimax was the best choice | 10:32 |
| LiraNuna | aquatix, at the time it predated itself | 10:32 |
| LiraNuna | if WiMAX had a faster adoption rate :( | 10:32 |
| aquatix | i think lte will be better | 10:32 |
| LiraNuna | lte? | 10:33 |
| aquatix | long-term evolution | 10:33 |
| aquatix | other 4G technique | 10:33 |
| aquatix | better than wimax i think | 10:33 |
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| jaem | btw, this is the paper I mentioned (just found it): http://xxx.lanl.gov/abs/0903.5321 | 10:34 |
| jaem | that's the Los Alamos National Lab site... no idea why they chose that subdomain | 10:34 |
| aquatix | LiraNuna: fyi, http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Long_Term_Evolution | 10:35 |
| LiraNuna | aquatix, and because Nokia declared N810 WiMAX EoL - I had to pay 100$ more to get it | 10:35 |
| aquatix | jaem: because it's a mature paper? :) | 10:35 |
| aquatix | LiraNuna: ick | 10:35 |
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| jaem | no, it's not | 10:35 |
| LiraNuna | aquatix, but I know it's 100% compatible to everything normal N810 has to offer | 10:36 |
| jaem | aquatix: fyi, you can't wget it without spoofing the useragent - they block crawlers and such | 10:36 |
| aquatix | ooh, Cosmology and Extragalactic Astrophysics | 10:36 |
| LiraNuna | so I will get WiMAX when it's actually available | 10:36 |
| aquatix | LiraNuna: yeah, *when* ... :( | 10:36 |
| * aquatix knows only of a few places | 10:36 | |
| LiraNuna | they plan on having it in SF by early 2010 | 10:37 |
| LiraNuna | (assuming the municipality won't block it just like the blocked google wanting to cover the city with free wifi) | 10:37 |
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| aquatix | yeah :/ | 10:37 |
| aquatix | i think amsterdam has good coverage too | 10:38 |
| aquatix | but where i live and work, there's no wimax | 10:38 |
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| jaem | haha: (from the paper): "More speculatively, one might consider the possibility that the values of the integers could vary with time, a result suggested by several early Fortran simulations" | 10:39 |
| jaem | "This possibility would have obvious implications for finance and accounting" :P | 10:40 |
| LiraNuna | hahaha | 10:40 |
| jaem | also, a footnote: | 10:40 |
| Jaffa | Morning, all | 10:40 |
| jaem | "I could have checked the original references, but it was easier to look everything up on Wikipedia" | 10:40 |
| jaem | g'night, Jaffa | 10:41 |
| StsN800 | morn jaffa | 10:41 |
| jaem | well, I'm off to bed | 10:41 |
| jaem | physics lab exam in the morning | 10:41 |
| jaem | blech - I have 7 hours to sleep >_< | 10:41 |
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| RST38h | jaem: "Variables won't, constants aren't." | 10:44 |
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| jaem_afk | RST38h: notice that the author of the paper cites himself for everything, including citing papers that he hasn't finished yet | 10:44 |
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| RST38h | jaem: that is normal. | 10:46 |
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| RST38h | jaem: Especially if he is sending it to a philosophy, politology, or some other shit oriented journal | 10:47 |
| StsN800 | not for everything is it? some maybe | 10:47 |
| jaem_afk | well, one of the citations says "not written yet, but I have a title picked out" | 10:47 |
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| b0unc3 | good morning | 11:06 |
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| RST38h | Hmm...IBM is buying Sun? | 11:22 |
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| jaem_afk | when was that article timestamped? | 11:22 |
| RST38h | before april 1 | 11:22 |
| jaem_afk | oh - before I forget/actually go to bed... | 11:22 |
| Stskeeps | RST38h: is it more official now? there's been rumours | 11:22 |
| RST38h | rumors are way stronger now | 11:22 |
| jaem_afk | RST38h: any word on when the new version of ATI85 is going to be out? | 11:23 |
| RST38h | but the SPARC architecture is fucked anyway, whether Sun gets bought by IBM or becomes a penny stock | 11:23 |
| Stskeeps | .. why is my firefox entering quakeroats.com | 11:23 |
| Stskeeps | why. | 11:23 |
| RST38h | jaem: As soon as wazd finishes two more faceplates | 11:23 |
| jaem_afk | RST38h: yay! | 11:23 |
| jaem_afk | that's great work, by the way | 11:23 |
| jaem_afk | are you planning to implement fake linking to the host NIT, or some other way of loading apps? | 11:24 |
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| RST38h | probably | 11:25 |
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| jaem_afk | RST38h: too bad we can't output digital signals to the headphone jack, and physically link two NITs running emulators ;) | 11:26 |
| jaem_afk | that would be rather silly, though | 11:26 |
| Stskeeps | http://www.engadget.com/2009/04/01/smartq-5-mid-gets-unboxed/ | 11:26 |
| jaem_afk | given that we have Wifi/BT | 11:26 |
| RST38h | jaem: You can do it over tcpip | 11:26 |
| jaem_afk | Stskeeps: I saw that - it looks nice-ish, at least, for the price | 11:26 |
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| jaem_afk | do you know what proc/RAM it has? | 11:26 |
| Stskeeps | 667mhz arm11, 128mb ram, 1gb internal nand | 11:27 |
| jaem_afk | not bad... | 11:27 |
| Stskeeps | sd slot | 11:27 |
| jaem_afk | I wonder what the quality's like... | 11:27 |
| jaem_afk | it's pretty tempting | 11:27 |
| jaem_afk | or would be, if I could afford even that atm | 11:27 |
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| RST38h | Sts: This is the RX-51, is it? | 11:27 |
| Stskeeps | it's basically a n800 on steroids | 11:27 |
| Stskeeps | RST38h: hehe, nah | 11:27 |
| woglinde | hi | 11:27 |
| Stskeeps | even though their product manager is a n800 user.. | 11:27 |
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| jaem_afk | RST38h: corporate espionage - it WAS going to be the N800... now Nokia has to one-up their own product ;) | 11:28 |
| jaem_afk | just kidding | 11:28 |
| jaem_afk | s/N800/RX-51/ | 11:28 |
| woglinde | hm | 11:28 |
| RST38h | Is it made of metal? | 11:28 |
| Stskeeps | check the unboxing i guess | 11:29 |
| jaem_afk | more importantly, how easily can we get it NA? | 11:29 |
| jaem_afk | my guess is, not very | 11:29 |
| suihkulokki | hehe, looks familiar: http://kamleung.com/goodies/q5/slides/IMG_5917.html | 11:29 |
| Stskeeps | yeah.. it's obvious which inspirations has pulled through | 11:29 |
| Stskeeps | no dpad though | 11:30 |
| RST38h | and +/- buttons are placed awkwardly | 11:30 |
| Stskeeps | on the other hand, it runs ubuntu | 11:31 |
| * Stskeeps could probably find use for one | 11:31 | |
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| RST38h | NVidia puts netbook into a cardreader case: http://www.nvidia.com/object/io_1238648403400.html | 11:36 |
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| * RST38h curses Win7 and queues responsible MS employees for extermination | 11:49 | |
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| Shasie | Mth | 11:51 |
| t_s_o | RST38h: i tought win7 was made of awesome... | 11:52 |
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| RST38h | http://exiledonline.com/wp-content/uploads/2009/03/crochand.jpg | 11:53 |
| RST38h | t_s_o: That is Win7 at the picture | 11:54 |
| Stskeeps | heh | 11:54 |
| t_s_o | ouch ;) | 11:54 |
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| RST38h | Actually, the whole article is mildly interesting: http://exiledonline.com/class-war-101-meet-the-reptiles-who-are-making-meat-out-of-you/ | 12:03 |
| Stskeeps | heh, http://linuxdevices.com/news/NS3314447002.html | 12:03 |
| Stskeeps | neat | 12:03 |
| RST38h | "The RISC-based R8610 CPU, said to be compatible with the 486SX instruction set" <== what do they mean? | 12:04 |
| Stskeeps | i've had a R8610 based wifi board actually | 12:04 |
| RST38h | Is it running Bochs? :) | 12:04 |
| Stskeeps | no clue, but it did actually run 486 apps | 12:05 |
| RST38h | holy shit | 12:05 |
| glass | hmm nice | 12:05 |
| Stskeeps | i think i could probably stuff this in the wall or something | 12:05 |
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| woglinde | geodegx1 is 486 compat too | 12:07 |
| woglinde | hahahah | 12:07 |
| Stskeeps | http://linuxdevices.com/news/NS7538129611.html <- this was an excellent AP | 12:07 |
| Stskeeps | i ran debian on it | 12:07 |
| * RST38h would avoid something like that | 12:07 | |
| RST38h | Hardware 486SX emulator is the last thing I need :) | 12:07 |
| woglinde | *g* | 12:08 |
| Stskeeps | RST38h: ah, it's a risc core that executes the i486 instruction set | 12:08 |
| RST38h | Sts: supporting instruction set is not enough | 12:09 |
| Stskeeps | well that particular cpu supported linux just fine :P | 12:10 |
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| RST38h | Sts: You have to have the braindamaged register file, multiple weird CPU modes, obscure irq delivery mechanisms, MMU made by balding hackers, etc | 12:11 |
| Stskeeps | heh | 12:11 |
| Stskeeps | true | 12:11 |
| Stskeeps | but i ran a debian i486 on it just fine :) | 12:11 |
| RST38h | At least it is an -SX, so you do not need to implement that goddamn 8087 | 12:11 |
| * lcuk presses RST38h's turbo button | 12:13 | |
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| Garfeild | who can say to me name of contacts program in maemo? | 12:16 |
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| qwerty12 | osso-addressbook | 12:17 |
| qwerty12 | Good luck finding it though w/out a real device | 12:17 |
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| Garfeild | florian: hello) have you 10 minutes? | 12:22 |
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| Stskeeps | qwerty12: ah, it is actually closed source? | 12:23 |
| qwerty12 | Yeah, like a lot of stuff | 12:23 |
| Garfeild | damn) | 12:23 |
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| florian | Garfeild: yes sure | 12:24 |
| Garfeild | florian: have you seen my proposal for gsoc? | 12:24 |
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| florian | Garfeild: I have seen that it is submitted but I haven't read it yet. | 12:25 |
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| LopLiii | hi to all who is awaken ... | 12:25 |
| Stskeeps | morning | 12:26 |
| LopLiii | :) | 12:26 |
| Garfeild | florian: my proposal about contacts import/export, but i have found this program for maemo: http://maemo.org/downloads/product/OS2008/syncevolution/ | 12:26 |
| LopLiii | anybody know about the latest "hack" on nv | 12:27 |
| Garfeild | florian: and now i'm not understand what i need to do (o_O) | 12:27 |
| LopLiii | n8xx i mean | 12:27 |
| Stskeeps | which hack? :P | 12:27 |
| LopLiii | :) some not ordinary thing i guess .... :) again ... | 12:27 |
| florian | Garfeild: What you can do to improve what is there. There is another starting point: maemo-sync. (I'm in charge of this...) | 12:28 |
| Garfeild | aha...i didn't know about it | 12:29 |
| Garfeild | florian: where can i read about it more detailed? | 12:30 |
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| florian | Garfeild: Maybe take a look at the OpenSync design (the unstable one would be recommnded for a new application). | 12:30 |
| Stskeeps | morning wazd | 12:30 |
| florian | Garfeild: http://fl0rian.wordpress.com/2008/04/02/maemo-sync-packages/ | 12:31 |
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| florian | Garfeild: btw. The list in the wiki is not a limitation. *If* you like you can always extend or refine your proposal. | 12:33 |
| wazd | hello world | 12:33 |
| qwerty12 | hi wazd | 12:34 |
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| Garfeild | florian: i must rewrite my porposal anyway, because import/export != sync | 12:36 |
| florian | Garfeild: Syncing is harder but there are some useful tools available (e.g. OpenSync) so if you would like to do this it would be even better. | 12:38 |
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| yerga | qwerty12, update to 2.0.19? | 12:45 |
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| qwerty12 | yerga, yeah, I've already sorted out the packing now, I'm just going through a diff of your changes now :) | 12:45 |
| yerga | ah, perfect | 12:45 |
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| yerga | it would be cool if the icon in the menu could be 64x64 | 12:46 |
| yerga | now, it gets the small one | 12:46 |
| qwerty12 | Yeah, I've sorted that - they've included a newer svg :) | 12:46 |
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| yerga | cool, you're terrific! | 12:46 |
| qwerty12 | yerga, I'm using this icon (it was included) : http://qwerty12.maemobox.org/gftp-48x48.png :) | 12:47 |
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| qwerty12 | Looks better, IMHO, than the old one with the GNOME logo | 12:48 |
| yerga | yes, it's nicer | 12:48 |
| yerga | very similar to maemoftp one | 12:48 |
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| qwerty12 | Yes, I couldn't help but think that too... :) | 12:49 |
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| Garfeild | florian: pm? | 12:51 |
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| t1x | hi all | 13:00 |
| Garfeild | re | 13:02 |
| t1x | very quiet.... | 13:02 |
| t1x | good night.... | 13:02 |
| LopLiii | hi hi good afternoon :) | 13:03 |
| t1x | hi) | 13:03 |
| LopLiii | pleasr come in ...... | 13:03 |
| t1x | boring... | 13:04 |
| t1x | :/ | 13:04 |
| t1x | if i flash OS to 8gb memory card, will i have more memory for apps?? | 13:08 |
| t1x | help plz | 13:08 |
| lcuk | you will have more disk space for apps | 13:08 |
| lcuk | thats not the same as memory though :) | 13:08 |
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| t1x | so. will it be better? | 13:09 |
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| Garfeild | florian: can i use you private? ) | 13:11 |
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| Garfeild | svu_: hi) | 13:15 |
| svu_ | Garfield, hi | 13:16 |
| LopLiii | t1x : it could be better | 13:16 |
| svu_ | alterego, ping :) | 13:16 |
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| LopLiii | Garfield : why do you need florian privately :) | 13:17 |
| Garfeild | LopLiii: i want to talk him about sync program for gsoc) | 13:17 |
| LopLiii | ehmmm .... its okaaay to me .... :) joke | 13:18 |
| * florian suffers from a bad internet connection | 13:20 | |
| * svu_ enjoys it | 13:21 | |
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| wazd | RST38h: around?) | 13:24 |
| t1x | im still here ))) | 13:26 |
| Stskeeps | did we get invaded by russians btw? :P | 13:27 |
| Stskeeps | just the huge amount of people using )'s ;) | 13:27 |
| t1x | im russian | 13:27 |
| LopLiii | invaded ? in which mean? | 13:28 |
| t1x | n810 forever!!!!!!! :D | 13:28 |
| wazd | oh my) | 13:28 |
| wazd | I'm not with them xD | 13:28 |
| Garfeild | Stskeeps: yes) our country become Rossiyskaya Imperiya and world will be US! | 13:28 |
| Garfeild | )) | 13:28 |
| Stskeeps | you mean ours ;) | 13:28 |
| t1x | O_o | 13:28 |
| Garfeild | yes ) | 13:28 |
| Razumihin | Whats with the ) | 13:29 |
| LopLiii | :) :) | 13:29 |
| Garfeild | Stskeeps: tomorrow you will talk on Russian or die! ) | 13:29 |
| Garfeild | damn) | 13:29 |
| t1x | lol | 13:29 |
| Garfeild | sorry for my English (^_^) | 13:29 |
| t1x | true! | 13:29 |
| wazd | jeez... :) | 13:30 |
| Razumihin | Are internet tablets common in russia btw? | 13:30 |
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| wazd | Stskeeps: do you know if Ti 84+SE is just a color variation of 84+? No new buttons'n'stuff? | 13:31 |
| Stskeeps | wazd: no sorry, i only own ti 83 | 13:31 |
| Stskeeps | but i wouldn't be surprised | 13:32 |
| wazd | Stskeeps: can't see any difference on photos | 13:32 |
| t1x | umm... i live in USA two years | 13:32 |
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| LopLiii | t1x : what field are you in ? | 13:33 |
| t1x | Washington state | 13:35 |
| RST38h | heya wazd | 13:35 |
| * Stskeeps puts on harold faltermeyer - axel f, and gets on with preparing for thesis meeting | 13:35 | |
| wazd | RST38h: There are no button or label differences betwween 84+ and 84+SE, just color, right? | 13:39 |
| RST38h | wazd: I think so, they are essentially the same thing with different bodies and firmware | 13:39 |
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| wazd | RST38h: maybe we can use "hello kitty" skin as some "easter egg"?) | 13:40 |
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| RST38h | wazd: it is beyond the point right now as I can't make 83+SE,84+, and 84+SE work :( | 13:41 |
| RST38h | The firmware offered by TI at their site appears to be a partial update to the whole thing | 13:41 |
| t1x | ward: i have ti 84SE | 13:41 |
| wazd | RST38h: aw( | 13:44 |
| * RST38h has got it up to and including 83+. Should be able to do 73 as well, because it is a kiddie version of 83 | 13:45 | |
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| Khertan1 | Hello ! | 13:50 |
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| t1x | hi | 13:51 |
| rmt | Hmm .. Are there any scripts or web services that convert an RSS/ATOM feed into a feed of the full articles (preferably with an optional content stripper/rewriter)? Too many feeds with only previews of the full articles.. | 13:52 |
| Khertan1 | nope | 13:53 |
| Khertan1 | or i don't know it | 13:53 |
| Khertan1 | yes it s a real pain that many website limit the content of their feed to just a small preview | 13:53 |
| Khertan1 | just to force us to visit their web site | 13:54 |
| Khertan1 | personnally the one that do that i boycott them | 13:54 |
| rmt | I think I'll write one, then. | 13:54 |
| Stskeeps | rmt: 'plucker' aybe | 13:55 |
| qwerty12 | rmt, feed circuit? http://maemo.org/downloads/product/OS2008/feedcircuit/ | 13:56 |
| rmt | Stskeeps, that looks good. | 13:56 |
| Khertan1 | i don't think you have the right to pick their page content and provide it in a webservice | 13:56 |
| rmt | qwerty12, I think Feed Circuit will cache the URL, and bring up the locally cached webpage in the browser.. a little cumbersome | 13:56 |
| qwerty12 | rmt, ah :/ | 13:57 |
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| Jaffa | rmt: You could do something with Yahoo! Pipes | 13:57 |
| * Jaffa uses it to take the Jaiku RSS feed from Mer, and the p.m.o RSS feed and combine/edit them for the news feed on http://wiki.maemo.org/Mer - it's powerful stuff | 13:57 | |
| * RST38h would like an RSS reader that avoids the browser completely | 13:58 | |
| lcuk | jaffai think jaiku sends out the full message in the rss though | 13:58 |
| Jaffa | lcuk: I still need to do all manner of manipulation on it | 13:58 |
| RST38h | Browser startup time is too large anyway and after a few times it just crashes | 13:58 |
| lcuk | lots of sites simply dont, they send an incomplete frag..</item> | 13:59 |
| Jaffa | lcuk: pulling out URLs and fetching content is certainly doable as well | 13:59 |
| Jaffa | (I think) | 13:59 |
| lcuk | its not just grabbing the content, its formatting it afterwards | 13:59 |
| rmt | Pipes looks quite good too. | 13:59 |
| lcuk | obviously doing a transform on a well behaved site that uses css might be feasible | 14:00 |
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| Jaffa | lcuk: Have you used Pipes? It's really very powerful | 14:00 |
| Jaffa | A fun toy for this kind of thing | 14:00 |
| wazd | RST38h: http://s46.radikal.ru/i114/0904/7d/618a74154136.png | 14:01 |
| lcuk | ill have a look | 14:01 |
| aquatix | wazd: do you draw those pics yourself? | 14:01 |
| aquatix | the skin stuff? | 14:02 |
| lcuk | but you know, the internet is a series of tubes, not pipes ;) | 14:02 |
| lcuk | aquatix, pixel by pixel in MSPaint | 14:02 |
| wazd | aquatix: well, yep) | 14:02 |
| aquatix | lcuk: :P | 14:02 |
| aquatix | wazd: awesome | 14:02 |
| lcuk | transparency calculations using a ti calculator ;) | 14:03 |
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| aquatix | wazd: i think you're spending way too much time doing so, but still very cool ;) | 14:03 |
| * Stskeeps thinks wazd is very talented and is wondering why he isn't making big bucks yet ;) | 14:04 | |
| aquatix | or maybe he is, and is just pretending to be a poor OSS lover | 14:06 |
| lcuk | Stskeeps, last time he made big bucks he was arrested for making counterfeit money (which looked good with nice effects and smooth numbers) | 14:06 |
| aquatix | ghehehe | 14:07 |
| lcuk | heh aquatix so you envisage wazd in a massive office with a team of graphic designers around him | 14:07 |
| aquatix | now he's designing the next generation money? ;) | 14:07 |
| Macer | Stskeeps: got vbox working | 14:07 |
| Stskeeps | good :) | 14:07 |
| Macer | could only get it running as root but thats fine | 14:07 |
| Stskeeps | yeah, makes sense though | 14:08 |
| aquatix | lcuk: or secluded in a luxury villa, working on his own projects | 14:08 |
| Stskeeps | it is a pretty root operaton to run virtualization software | 14:08 |
| Macer | i suppose... but wiuld have been nice to run as a user | 14:08 |
| Macer | but i kept having lib issues | 14:08 |
| Macer | had to get a 64bit lib tar | 14:09 |
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| Khertan1 | does there is any problem with the package promoters ? | 14:12 |
| aquatix | lcuk: and not to forget the giant piles of ti calculators all over his place | 14:12 |
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| Macer | Stskeeps: does vbox do vsmp? | 14:18 |
| Stskeeps | no clue | 14:18 |
| Macer | haha | 14:18 |
| Macer | im making a centos/zimbra vm now | 14:20 |
| lcuk | Khertan1, there was a problem with the builder itself the other day | 14:20 |
| lcuk | lol aquatix wazd and RST38h keep shipping them between each other | 14:21 |
| X-Fade | Khertan1: Shouldn't be. | 14:22 |
| aquatix | lcuk: maybe i should play parcel deliverer for a little while in their neighbourhood | 14:22 |
| aquatix | would be a goldmine in second hand calculators | 14:22 |
| * RST38h has never owned a TI calc | 14:22 | |
| lcuk | at least we know where silicon heaven is now :) | 14:23 |
| aquatix | :) | 14:23 |
| RST38h | Six out of every ten university students are afraid of mathematics to the point where it deters them from studying technical subjects, according to new research. The proportion of students who "show symptoms of anxiety" regarding maths is also significantly higher among females than males. | 14:24 |
| RST38h | That is for Spain though | 14:24 |
| Stskeeps | RST38h: i lost my passion for math after getting to university math | 14:25 |
| wazd | RST38h: so, is it ok?) | 14:25 |
| wazd | RST38h: what skin should I fix I forgot | 14:25 |
| aquatix | RST38h: i think similar numbers are right for the netherlands too | 14:25 |
| RST38h | wazd: TI83+SE should have blue APPS button instead of MATRIX | 14:26 |
| lcuk | yes, girls suffer more, its quite simple effort=work*(1-partytime)/sqrt(-beer) | 14:26 |
| danielwilms | RST38h: germany definitely the same | 14:26 |
| RST38h | wazd: TI83+ should have its own separate skin | 14:26 |
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| RST38h | Probably the same for US as well, but I won't insist on it without some numbers | 14:26 |
| lcuk | doesnt your strange website have something to say about this | 14:27 |
| RST38h | Which website? | 14:27 |
| aquatix | cia world facts? | 14:28 |
| RST38h | prolly not | 14:28 |
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| wazd | RST38h: I've already done 83+ | 14:29 |
| RST38h | wazd: Where is it? =) | 14:29 |
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| wazd | RST38h: oh, it's SE | 14:29 |
| wazd | RST38h: grr) | 14:30 |
| RST38h | Yep | 14:30 |
| RST38h | plain 83+ does look similar to 83 though, need a picture? | 14:30 |
| svu_ | alterego, ping++ | 14:30 |
| lcuk | RST38h, the one with the random shit in it | 14:30 |
| RST38h | lcuk: This greatly depends on the kind of shit | 14:31 |
| lcuk | (no, not iTT) | 14:31 |
| wazd | RST38h: no I've found it :) | 14:31 |
| lcuk | the stuff you spent the best part of the last 2 weeks posting from! | 14:31 |
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| RST38h | lcuk: Ah, THAT ONE! Let us see... | 14:31 |
| lcuk | tubes are slow today! | 14:32 |
| Stskeeps | wazd: have any good proposals for "initial" applets on mer desktop? | 14:32 |
| wazd | http://cappello.pbwiki.com/f/ti83%2B01.gif | 14:32 |
| wazd | RST38h: well, it's more 83+SE I think | 14:32 |
| RST38h | the keys are | 14:32 |
| wazd | Stskeeps: hmm | 14:32 |
| RST38h | but the body looks 83 | 14:32 |
| rmt | Jaffa, Yahoo pipes looks quite good.. but I'm wondering how I can get it to turn the referred-to URL into a web page request. :-P | 14:33 |
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| Jaffa | rmt: there's a URL source that you should be able to pipe the URL in from another operato | 14:33 |
| Jaffa | +r | 14:33 |
| RST38h | lcuk: http://scp-wiki.wikidot.com/scp-033 | 14:34 |
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| lcuk | RST38h, that site is a true wonder | 14:35 |
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| RST38h | Input: 200 grams of Uranium-238 | 14:39 |
| RST38h | Setting: Rough | 14:39 |
| RST38h | Output: [DATA EXPUNGED]. Confirmed death count is ??, including Dr. ????????. SCP-914 intact, testing aborted. | 14:39 |
| RST38h | lcuk: either that or an ultimate time waste instrument | 14:40 |
| lcuk | they just leaked information through the redaction | 14:40 |
| lcuk | the quantum field surrounding the deathcount just went from an unknown state to something >=1 | 14:40 |
| RST38h | lcuk: You don't think I haven't checked, do you? No, all the redacted stuff is really not present :) | 14:40 |
| RST38h | lcuk: >=10 really, two digits | 14:40 |
| RST38h | <100 | 14:41 |
| lcuk | but they tell you that one person died | 14:41 |
| lcuk | it could simply be formatted as 01 | 14:41 |
| RST38h | lcuk: or presented in hexadecimal | 14:42 |
| RST38h | lcuk: Anyway, http://scp-wiki.wikidot.com/experiment-log-914 is the whole log | 14:42 |
| wazd | RST38h: http://s49.radikal.ru/i123/0904/e0/04ac42575c9f.png | 14:42 |
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| RST38h | wazd: ! Saved, will integrate tonight | 14:43 |
| Macer | what service uses port 389? | 14:44 |
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| Stskeeps | ldap? | 14:44 |
| Macer | ah. ok thanks | 14:45 |
| Macer | having problems with my zimbra install | 14:45 |
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| wazd | RST38h: http://s54.radikal.ru/i144/0904/e4/674d60e82702.png | 14:56 |
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| wazd | oh | 14:59 |
| wazd | damn | 14:59 |
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| RST38h | wazd: upper F-key labels seem to be too high | 14:59 |
| wazd | RST38h: http://s50.radikal.ru/i130/0904/8e/86c80804dde4.png | 15:00 |
| wazd | RST38h: yeah-yeah | 15:00 |
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| Stskeeps | 'lo jeremiah_ | 15:02 |
| jeremiah_ | Hello Stskeeps! | 15:02 |
| jeremiah_ | How are you? | 15:03 |
| Stskeeps | i'm better, you? | 15:03 |
| jeremiah_ | I'm trying to build a bunch of old packages for fremantle and getting only half-way there | 15:03 |
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| jeremiah_ | So I am good. :) | 15:03 |
| jeremiah_ | Fighting a bit with sdbmock, which is not my friend. | 15:04 |
| Stskeeps | hehe | 15:04 |
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| jeremiah_ | I wonder if pbuilder would be useful in maemo, it appears to do something similar to sdbmock. | 15:04 |
| Stskeeps | yeah - but scratchbox is a weird creature | 15:05 |
| jeremiah_ | so you think it isn't scriptable? | 15:05 |
| RST38h | wazd: yea, this one looks ok, using it! | 15:05 |
| jeremiah_ | scratchbox that is | 15:05 |
| RST38h | all the parts now seem to be in order, will try releasing tonight' | 15:05 |
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| Stskeeps | jeremiah_: well, if you want to see my script that is kinda like a pbuilder.. sec | 15:06 |
| wazd | RST38h: cool | 15:07 |
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| Stskeeps | jeremiah_: http://bsd.tspre.org/~stskeeps/sb-mer.txt , http://bsd.tspre.org/~stskeeps/sb-build.txt , what i use in mer builder :P | 15:09 |
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| wazd | Stskeeps: I'll think 'bout default applets | 15:13 |
| Stskeeps | k | 15:13 |
| jeremiah_ | Hmm, excellent. | 15:13 |
| jeremiah_ | I will take a look at that Stskeeps | 15:13 |
| Stskeeps | jeremiah_: the problem is that pbuilder treats it like a chroot whereas sb is more like a single-name chroot | 15:14 |
| jeremiah_ | Stskeeps: Uh-oh, those differences sound a little to esoteric for me. :) | 15:14 |
| Stskeeps | hehe | 15:14 |
| jeremiah_ | Can you explain? | 15:14 |
| Stskeeps | as in scratchbox works with "targets" you can set up, whereas pbuilder just makes a directory with a buildd rootstrap extracted and chroots into it | 15:15 |
| jeremiah_ | seems that in SB you are defining architectures as well as a chroot, whereas with pbuilder, it just uses whatever cpu you happen to have | 15:17 |
| jeremiah_ | ? | 15:18 |
| Stskeeps | yeah | 15:18 |
| jeremiah_ | k | 15:18 |
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| jeremiah_ | SB is a chroot _plus_ qemu | 15:18 |
| jeremiah_ | Actually, that makes things quite flexible | 15:18 |
| X-Fade | jeremiah_: That is needed because a package might need to run the armel code. | 15:19 |
| jeremiah_ | gotcha | 15:19 |
| lizardo | X-Fade: thanks for fixing the autobuilder issues :) | 15:20 |
| X-Fade | lizardo: Did the cpu-transp upgrade help? | 15:20 |
| lizardo | X-Fade: I just re-uploaded the package, we will in a few minutes/hours | 15:21 |
| lizardo | (will know) | 15:21 |
| X-Fade | lizardo: Won't take that long, the package isn't large? | 15:22 |
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| lizardo | X-Fade: it's not, and it just got select for building \o/ | 15:22 |
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| jeremiah_ | X-Fade: Have you ever configured sbdmock? | 15:23 |
| jeremiah_ | Unfortunately the README file is empty. :( | 15:24 |
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| X-Fade | jeremiah_: Did you create the config files for each target? | 15:25 |
| lizardo | X-Fade: pybluez 0.15-1.1maemo3 OK :) | 15:25 |
| jeremiah_ | X-Fade: Nope. | 15:25 |
| jeremiah_ | X-Fade: Can you point to some documentation for doing that? | 15:26 |
| X-Fade | jeremiah_: No, but I can give you the ones we use ;) | 15:26 |
| jeremiah_ | X-Fade: Even better. :) | 15:26 |
| jeremiah_ | Will they work for fremantle? | 15:26 |
| X-Fade | jeremiah_: What do you think the autobuilder uses? | 15:27 |
| jeremiah_ | Ahhh . . . gum? | 15:27 |
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| svu_ | how would i find out the window class of some app on maemo? | 15:27 |
| jeremiah_ | =) | 15:27 |
| jeremiah_ | svu_: What exactly do you mean by "window class"? | 15:28 |
| jeremiah_ | Window manager or . . . ? | 15:28 |
| lcuk | windows windows have a window class ;) | 15:28 |
| Jaffa | xwininfo | 15:28 |
| svu_ | jeremiah, in X11 sense | 15:28 |
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| svu_ | xwininfo: not found | 15:29 |
| svu_ | xprop not found as well | 15:29 |
| lcuk | svu_ so from within your app you want to enumerate the x11 window stack and find certain kinds of windows. which language are you trying this from - or do oyu wnat a console app | 15:30 |
| svu_ | lcuk, i mean - in shell? | 15:31 |
| svu_ | without C or python code | 15:32 |
| lcuk | i dunno then | 15:32 |
| lcuk | jaffa is probably steering you right ;) | 15:32 |
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| jeremiah_ | svu_: xwininfo is in x11-utils | 15:34 |
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| svu_ | Package x11-utils is not available, but is referred to by another package. | 15:35 |
| svu_ | :) | 15:35 |
| jeremiah_ | svu_: Which OS are you in? | 15:36 |
| jeremiah_ | I see x11-utils in fremantle | 15:36 |
| jeremiah_ | and in lenny | 15:36 |
| svu_ | diablo | 15:36 |
| X-Fade | jeremiah_: That is sdk. | 15:36 |
| Jaffa | svu_: you might need to add the tools or even SDK repos temporarily | 15:37 |
| GeneralAntilles | Somebody want to set the topics for the meeting? | 15:38 |
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| svu_ | i checked diablo sdk on my laptop, do not see that package | 15:38 |
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| Jaffa | dneary: ping | 15:45 |
| dneary | Jaffa: pong | 15:45 |
| dneary | Jaffa: 0-1 | 15:46 |
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| Macer | damnit | 15:50 |
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| Macer | screwed up the install | 15:50 |
| Macer | have to start over now =/ | 15:50 |
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| Jaffa | dneary: would rescheduling the sprint meeting to Tuesday be better for you? | 15:53 |
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| X-Fade | Jaffa: Then tekojo can't join us. | 15:54 |
| dneary | Jaffa: Well, I will be at a conference... | 15:54 |
| dneary | Jaffa: So any time next week will be hard | 15:54 |
| Jaffa | X-Fade: bah, does no-one do anyt work? ;-) | 15:54 |
| Jaffa | dneary: thought as much. thanks for the update | 15:54 |
| dneary | But sure, a time early morning Tuesday could work | 15:54 |
| dneary | (early morning PST) | 15:54 |
| X-Fade | Jaffa: Me, I'm here all week ;) | 15:55 |
| dneary | I'm UTC-7 next week | 15:55 |
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| GeneralAntilles | X-Fade, we don't like you anymore | 15:56 |
| GeneralAntilles | you're old sauce | 15:56 |
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| X-Fade | GeneralAntilles: Puh! | 15:56 |
| GeneralAntilles | 'morning, etrunko | 15:57 |
| X-Fade | Hmm, while doing test imports of all user/* packages in Extras. I see we really need to clean up some mess. | 15:57 |
| etrunko | morn GeneralAntilles | 15:57 |
| etrunko | all | 15:57 |
| X-Fade | l10n files in user, help files per language in user, even a lib in user.. | 15:57 |
| X-Fade | Soundfiles too. | 15:58 |
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| GAN800 | X-Fade, waiting on freaking Nokia to start the spam | 15:58 |
| X-Fade | We really need a way to group packages for an application in the Application Manager. | 15:58 |
| Jaffa | X-Fade: indeed, hence the suggestions for sub-sections for app... that. | 15:58 |
| GAN800 | But, as usual, Nokia can't be relied upon. | 15:58 |
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| X-Fade | I'd say we fork. | 15:59 |
| X-Fade | And offer the package as Replaces: ;) | 15:59 |
| GAN800 | Doesn't help 99% of the users using Extras | 15:59 |
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| X-Fade | GAN800: True. | 16:01 |
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| GAN800 | We need to get rm_you into Helsinki with some frozen trouts. | 16:01 |
| GAN800 | 'course, "Hey, Nokia, the categories are all now unlocalized and looking like hell, but here's the really simple thing you can do to fix it!" might work. | 16:03 |
| GAN800 | Users will blame Nokia, not us. | 16:03 |
| X-Fade | GAN800: I saw screenshots of the grid at least. | 16:03 |
| X-Fade | Or was it the youtube capture.. | 16:03 |
| GAN800 | I dislike ultimatums, but it might have to come to that. | 16:04 |
| GAN800 | The Maemo 5 on Beagle screencast | 16:04 |
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| GAN800 | That still doesn't really help, though. Having two sets of categories is almost worse than one bad set. | 16:05 |
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| X-Fade | I'll try to contact the right people again. See if I can get the message across. | 16:05 |
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| Stskeeps | bring a vodka bottle, it usually helps | 16:05 |
| GAN800 | Actually, the ultimatum idea sounds like something I want to do. | 16:05 |
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| wazd | pata-pata-pata-pon! | 16:11 |
| Jaffa | The "don't show un-l10n categories" change is in the HAM trunk (and so in Mer) - it does help | 16:11 |
| X-Fade | I'm doing the same with my new auto Extras -> Downloads importing script. Everything that is not in an official category -> Other ;) | 16:12 |
| GAN800 | Let's give them a date when we'll start pushing maintainers to change over. | 16:12 |
| GAN800 | They can either ship a h-a-m update or not. | 16:12 |
| lizardo | X-Fade: is it normal to sometimes have the following error when using dput: Uploading to fremantle-extras-builder (via scp to garage.maemo.org): | 16:12 |
| lizardo | Permission denied (publickey,keyboard-interactive). | 16:12 |
| lizardo | lost connection | 16:12 |
| GAN800 | As it is, I'm tired of being ignored. | 16:13 |
| lizardo | X-Fade: I only get it momentarily if I try to upload sometime later, it just works | 16:13 |
| X-Fade | lizardo: We get more reports about that. But the funny thing is, it never happens to me.. | 16:13 |
| Veggen | 5 | 16:14 |
| lizardo | X-Fade: yeah I can't reproduce it always , so I just ignore and try later :) | 16:14 |
| X-Fade | lizardo: It might have something to do with lingering connections, but I can't find anything in the logs.. | 16:14 |
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| X-Fade | lizardo: The firewall has some kind of rate limit too. | 16:14 |
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| X-Fade | lizardo: So if you connect a lot of times in a short period it will block you for a short while. | 16:15 |
| lizardo | X-Fade: well, I usually take a few minutes beetween my package uploads (I don't like to uploading all at once), but that's good to know ;) | 16:17 |
| X-Fade | lizardo: But dput might copy each file in a separate connection. | 16:17 |
| X-Fade | lizardo: I'll write an email to the isp to see if they have an actual rate limit active. | 16:17 |
| lizardo | X-Fade: ok | 16:19 |
| X-Fade | lizardo: If you are in a hurry, the extras assistant works via http ;) | 16:19 |
| lizardo | X-Fade: that's no problem , as I said, waiting just a couple of minutes and trying again works for me :) | 16:20 |
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| VDVsx | wow, Intel is leaving moblin, very very strange :P | 16:25 |
| Stskeeps | ah, so i'm not the only one seeing that | 16:26 |
| Stskeeps | handing over the stewardship to linux foundation | 16:26 |
| lbt | subscribe to LWN :) | 16:26 |
| VDVsx | Stskeeps, yes, and Isn't a april fool's day joke | 16:27 |
| Stskeeps | VDVsx: well they never say that they won't develop for it.. but handing over stewardship is a little like putting it in the grave | 16:28 |
| Stskeeps | without there being a community to use it.. | 16:28 |
| VDVsx | agreed | 16:28 |
| Stskeeps | but then again, i saw this coming after they moved to Fedora for fucking bullshit reasons.. | 16:28 |
| Stskeeps | :P | 16:28 |
| VDVsx | lol | 16:28 |
| Stskeeps | one less competitor for Mer ;P | 16:29 |
| GAN800 | Ha | 16:29 |
| GAN800 | Stskeeps == Doctor Evil | 16:29 |
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| lcuk | one more, moblin being free means some other stskeeps is waiting in the wings :P | 16:29 |
| VDVsx | Stskeeps, I never understood that move (fedora) | 16:30 |
| Stskeeps | VDVsx: .rpm files can have license information | 16:30 |
| Stskeeps | that was the official reason | 16:30 |
| RST38h | Internet usage in Sweden took a dramatic 30 per cent dip on Wednesday, as the countrys new anti-file sharing law came into effect | 16:30 |
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| Stskeeps | RST38h: it'll go up again .. same thing was seen with the big busts back in 2000 | 16:30 |
| RST38h | Now they just have to outlaw porn and then disconnect .SE completley =) | 16:30 |
| VDVsx | Stskeeps, like you have to accept things in order to install ? | 16:31 |
| RST38h | Sts: What do you get for Torrent, anyway? A jail sentence? | 16:31 |
| Stskeeps | VDVsx: yeah | 16:31 |
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| VDVsx | buuuuu | 16:31 |
| Stskeeps | RST38h: nfi. in sweden they probably send you to finland or something.. | 16:31 |
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| lcuk | no, they will restrict your net access to a pitiful 50mbit | 16:31 |
| RST38h | Sts: ...and in finland they behead you with an axe? =) | 16:31 |
| VDVsx | Stskeeps, I have to get a cat, before switch to fedora :P | 16:32 |
| lcuk | how do they know it went down 30% were they checking seeders on torrents? | 16:32 |
| lcuk | or direct from the isps | 16:32 |
| RST38h | lcuk: you can just count bytes at the pipes leading to the country | 16:32 |
| RST38h | lcuk: national uplinks are usually not that numerous | 16:33 |
| lcuk | RST38h, then internet usage might not have gone down, just turned more introspective | 16:33 |
| Stskeeps | VDVsx: now, it's not entirely hard to stuff a license into a debian/control, or debian/copyright :P | 16:33 |
| lcuk | semi private hubs and chans for sharing within country | 16:33 |
| RST38h | lcuk: true | 16:33 |
| aquatix | lcuk: or some national internet exchange | 16:33 |
| aquatix | between isps and such | 16:33 |
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| lcuk | possible | 16:34 |
| lcuk | long live sneakernet | 16:34 |
| lcuk | though its a bit bloody cold up there | 16:34 |
| lcuk | what else are they gonna do when their routers and hubs arent working fast enough to heat the room | 16:34 |
| * aquatix expects an explosion in number of Swedes at the end of the year | 16:35 | |
| lcuk | finland needs to export more saunas! | 16:35 |
| aquatix | and that | 16:35 |
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| Macer | that sucked | 16:40 |
| Stskeeps | mm? | 16:40 |
| Macer | had to reinstall zimbra | 16:40 |
| * RST38h read it as "finland needs to export more santas!" | 16:40 | |
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| svu_ | alterego, ping++ | 16:44 |
| lbt | Jaffa: ping | 16:46 |
| Jaffa | lbt: pong | 16:47 |
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| wazd | http://etrunko.blogspot.com/2009/04/looks-familiar.html | 16:50 |
| wazd | aw c'mon)) | 16:50 |
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| Stskeeps | simpsons did it | 16:50 |
| wazd | Canola UI is good but "round icons in a grid" is not a rocket science) | 16:51 |
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| wazd | Stskeeps: yep)) | 16:51 |
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| wazd | And again UI is definitely NOT how things are placed on the screen | 16:53 |
| RST38h | wazd: Also, LG steals UI elements left and right | 16:53 |
| glass | lucky goldstar | 16:53 |
| RST38h | wazd: So I would not be surprised, really | 16:53 |
| wazd | It's how they interact with user | 16:53 |
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| wazd | RST38h: how would you steal "UI element"?) | 16:54 |
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| X-Fade | RST38h: Inspired by.... | 16:54 |
| RST38h | wazd: tak iPhone home screen, arrange your icons in the same way, on black background, use three bottom icons for something else | 16:54 |
| tank-man | lol, put some icons in a gird form and make the icons a certain shape, boom its a copy :) | 16:54 |
| RST38h | wazd: If this is not enough, use the same or similar icons as iPhone | 16:55 |
| RST38h | wazd: Let 100 Chinese university graduates draw them for you in garish MS Paint colors | 16:55 |
| wazd | RST38h: well, what's the border between "common use" and "total ripoff"?) | 16:55 |
| svu_ | ok, i got xprop built for atmel | 16:55 |
| RST38h | wazd: Dunno | 16:55 |
| RST38h | wazd: I guess common use is when everybody has ripped it off already | 16:56 |
| wazd | RST38h: so it's totally personal | 16:56 |
| RST38h | wazd: Before it happens, this action is known as a total ripoff :) | 16:56 |
| wazd | RST38h: every iPhone fanboy will tell you that every device on the market is an iPhone ripoff | 16:56 |
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| glass | when it's just known as a total ripoff it's not too late to go to courts, when it's common use it is | 16:56 |
| wazd | RST38h: car, washing machine, table, whatever) | 16:56 |
| RST38h | wazd: Well, we both know better that not EVERY device is an iPhone ripoff, just some :) | 16:56 |
| glass | RST38h: and strangely enough stuff that was on market before iphone is an iphone ripoff | 16:57 |
| svu_ | mantra: it all started in xerox | 16:57 |
| RST38h | glass <-- speaketh the truth | 16:57 |
| RST38h | glass: I do not know of any | 16:57 |
| wazd | RST38h: Anyway, writing "hahaha, it reminds me something" after seing single screenshot is a bit childish | 16:58 |
| RST38h | glass: iPhone UI *is* pretty specific, once you define it beyond the common "screen with icons" concept | 16:58 |
| glass | RST38h: 7710? shown to the right guy | 16:58 |
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| RST38h | wazd: it is, but I have read a few more articles about LG UIs being ripoffs | 16:59 |
| RST38h | wazd: So, this may not be as pure coincidence as it looks | 16:59 |
| glass | at least they're not noklas | 17:00 |
| RST38h | glass: your own photo, shown to the right guy who has not taken his medication, can be interpreted in a really unexpected way | 17:00 |
| jeremiah_ | medication? | 17:00 |
| glass | RST38h: yes but theres enough of them. any nokia now with touchscreen is iphone ripoff to some(idiots) | 17:00 |
| RST38h | glass: ah the logic behind that is easy | 17:01 |
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| RST38h | glass: Nokia did not have any touch screen phones -> Apple got there first -> Now Nokia releases a touch screen phone -> It MUST be copying Apple! | 17:01 |
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| RST38h | glass: We both know that there are problems with this reasoning starting with point #1, but to an average consumer out there it looks simple, easy to comprehend, and makes him feel better about his iPhone | 17:03 |
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| wazd | http://www.engadgetmobile.com/2009/03/30/lgs-gd900-with-multi-touch-transparent-keypad-gets-s-class-u/ | 17:03 |
| wazd | ok, icons are bubbles | 17:03 |
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| wazd | LG has hi-jacked my brain and stole this idea from mer concept | 17:03 |
| wazd | haha) | 17:04 |
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| RST38h | glass: If you consider than an average US consumer has got mortgage(s), credit card(s), AND a 2-year AT&T iPhone contract all stuck up his anal cavity, you will probably agree that these poor guys need all the psychotherapy they can get | 17:04 |
| RST38h | glass: Even at the cost ot trashing some unfortunate eurogeek with his Nokia they meet in an internet forum | 17:05 |
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| derf | Don't forget car loans, car insurance, and I know multiple people whose montly cable bill is _more_ than their car insurance. | 17:06 |
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| RST38h | wazd: Their (LG's) icons, if you remove the bubbles, are definitely lifted from iPhone | 17:10 |
| wazd | RST38h: that's the other story :) | 17:11 |
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| wazd | RST38h: I'd rather agree with you :) | 17:12 |
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| wazd | and cube transformation is definitely compiz :) | 17:12 |
| RST38h | ah the cube has been there before | 17:13 |
| RST38h | starting with Win3.1 or so, so it is not news | 17:13 |
| RST38h | Also kinda unpleasant to use, like Descent | 17:13 |
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| tank-man | what! i loved descent | 17:14 |
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| lcuk | http://uk.cars.yahoo.com/02042009/36/black-box-cars-closer-0.html | 17:19 |
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| lcuk | does anyone see any flaws in this | 17:19 |
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| lopz | hola | 17:21 |
| roue | hola lopz | 17:21 |
| RST38h | lcuk: This has been used on trucks for a while now | 17:21 |
| lopz | heya roue !! | 17:22 |
| xushaw | hi, is there any mentors for the project "alarm for maemo"? | 17:22 |
| RST38h | lcuk: this yahoo journo probably got the "pulse" concept wrong | 17:22 |
| xushaw | may be Valério Valério | 17:22 |
| lcuk | RST38h, yeah the pulse does, but it doesnt send to the sat | 17:23 |
| RST38h | lcuk: dunno how they are going to implement p2p (they just won't, most likely) but the car position is reported over GSM | 17:23 |
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| RST38h | lcuk: so, you can expect speeding tickets and road tools in the mail | 17:24 |
| lcuk | yeah RST38h thats how i understood it - and technically it could be done using the pinging local traffic signs etc | 17:24 |
| RST38h | s/tools/tolls | 17:24 |
| lcuk | that makes sense actually | 17:24 |
| lcuk | even mre than gsm | 17:24 |
| lcuk | they are tools | 17:24 |
| lcuk | complete utter ones | 17:24 |
| RST38h | lcuk: Yea, only these shits won't do anything this fancy | 17:24 |
| lcuk | well london has the highest tech cctv automatic recognition system in the world :) | 17:25 |
| lcuk | i would never say never | 17:25 |
| RST38h | lcuk: They will take the proven GPS+GSM system and pay some gov contractor to "implement" it and make every driver install it | 17:25 |
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| RST38h | lcuk: They will use the system for the most practical (for them) purposes, i.e. surveillance and billing. The rest will stay in research stage indefinitely, unless there is a need in these features | 17:26 |
| VDVsx | xushaw, what do you need ? | 17:28 |
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| aquatix | hm, didn't i see a Doctor Who episode with `black boxes' in cars? | 17:34 |
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| Khertan1 | Hi again | 17:35 |
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| lcuk | yes, atmos | 17:35 |
| lcuk | i think | 17:36 |
| RST38h | Is there *any* subject that has not been mentioned or at least hinted at in a Doctor Who episode? | 17:36 |
| xushaw | I what to ask, what about using standard time.h for this project? | 17:36 |
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| xushaw | for what alarmd? | 17:38 |
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| lcuk | RST38h, if they are doing that, they should include a cheap accel unit in and report back on the bumpiness of the journey and send road crews out automatically | 17:38 |
| RST38h | lcuk: Will that make them any profit? | 17:38 |
| VDVsx | xushaw, take a look here: https://garage.maemo.org/projects/alarmd/ | 17:39 |
| lcuk | govt, keeping workers employed :)( | 17:39 |
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| lcuk | they need mics and cameras as well | 17:39 |
| lcuk | and a speaker | 17:39 |
| RST38h | lcuk: and a temperature sensor | 17:39 |
| lcuk | hey yeah, it also needs mapping capabilities | 17:40 |
| RST38h | lcuk: and some kind of AI that will warn drivers over speaker that they are not behaving in a safe way | 17:40 |
| lcuk | what about gas detection? | 17:40 |
| RST38h | lcuk: depends on what kind of gas you mean | 17:40 |
| lcuk | in a soothing voice? | 17:40 |
| RST38h | lcuk: If it is UK, it should be done in a robotic voice | 17:41 |
| lcuk | not at all, cheery bbc voice gets us going, stiff upper lip and all that | 17:41 |
| RST38h | lcuk: For US, a soothing female voice is better, like in those "keep your bags with you" announcements in the airports | 17:41 |
| RST38h | "report all suspicious activity" | 17:42 |
| lcuk | "aye up, get your bags befor ah clip yee round th' ear'ole" | 17:42 |
| lcuk | they have that | 17:42 |
| Macer | ugh. | 17:42 |
| RST38h | wait, why use voice when you can remotely deliver electric shocks to driver's hind parts? | 17:43 |
| Macer | need to get home and finish working on the zimbra box | 17:43 |
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| xushaw | VDVsx, I see u didn't understand me... what about using time.h in the project? I think that it's enough to use time.h instead of alarmd | 17:48 |
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| VDVsx | xushaw, I'm not the mentor for this project, if you think it is a good idea, propose it in your application | 17:49 |
| xushaw | there are no mentors here? | 17:51 |
| Stskeeps | xushaw: time.h has nothing about RTC alarms | 17:51 |
| Stskeeps | and polling constantly for time to happen is just not possible on a mobile device :) | 17:51 |
| X-Fade | lizardo: Did everything for python got uploaded now? | 17:52 |
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| fiferboy | lbt: Hi David | 17:53 |
| xushaw | Stskeeps, thanx | 17:53 |
| lizardo | X-Fade: I'm just testing the package installation on beagle, it seems only python-support is missing | 17:53 |
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| X-Fade | lizardo: Ah, well it is getting close then! :) | 17:53 |
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| rm_you | GAN800: lol | 17:56 |
| * rm_you goes back to being ridiculously busy again | 17:56 | |
| rm_you | though I would totally go to Helsiki and beat on doors for you GA :P | 17:56 |
| X-Fade | rm_you: been there, but the gatekeeper was pretty convincing ;) | 17:57 |
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| Stskeeps | "GIVE ME RX-51 OR GIVE ME DEATH" | 17:58 |
| Stskeeps | ? | 17:58 |
| Pavlov | lol | 17:58 |
| X-Fade | Stskeeps: Let's say I tried to pass him, but didn't get far ;) | 17:59 |
| Stskeeps | hehe | 17:59 |
| tank-man | How come those TI calc emulators that are installable (from extras?) work right away? isnt it illegal to distribute the rom for those calculators? | 18:02 |
| robtaylor | yep it is | 18:02 |
| qwerty12 | If it is, I certainly couldn't give a shit ;) | 18:02 |
| * robtaylor wrote a ti-85 emulator about 12 years ago =) | 18:03 | |
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| robtaylor | wow, more like 13, scary | 18:03 |
| Stskeeps | tank-man: though noone says it can't wget an update rom from ti.com | 18:03 |
| Khertan1 | The flyspray package has been removed from Debian Lenny | 18:03 |
| Khertan1 | arg ... stupid debian ! | 18:03 |
| Khertan1 | oups ww | 18:03 |
| tank-man | i see is that what it does :) | 18:03 |
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| lcuk | robtaylor, (hi!) how did you get round the distribution problem, or was it for your own amusement | 18:08 |
| robtaylor | lcuk: hey :) I just provided a zshell tool for downloading the rob | 18:08 |
| robtaylor | this was a very very long time ago though =) | 18:09 |
| Khertan1 | (17:02:22) tank-man: How come those TI calc emulators that are installable (from extras?) work right away? isnt it illegal to distribute the rom for those calculators? < if i remember hp offer it and autorize author of emulator to distribute it | 18:09 |
| Khertan1 | at least for the HP48SX | 18:09 |
| Khertan1 | :) | 18:09 |
| qwerty12 | yerga, I've added tap and hold, I'll upload gftp to -devel in about ~20 mins | 18:09 |
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| lcuk | lol rob you make it sound like binary was new and fresh back then :P | 18:10 |
| yerga | qwerty12, nice | 18:10 |
| yerga | qwerty12, the tap-an-hold is global? | 18:10 |
| yerga | I mean in every widget | 18:11 |
| qwerty12 | yerga, for the file list and the transfer window | 18:11 |
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| * lcuk cant ever tap n hold | 18:11 | |
| lcuk | tap n wiggle n tap again | 18:11 |
| yerga | qwerty12, cool, it's the most important parts | 18:11 |
| qwerty12 | yerga, only thing is that for the transfer window, it only shows one menu option at a time :/ | 18:12 |
| lcuk | RST38h, the calculator, how feasible is it to have it open into a fullscreen high res graphing view (ie your other existing not Ti one) | 18:15 |
| lcuk | when you click the screen | 18:15 |
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| GeneralAntilles | X-Fade, Gandolf? | 18:16 |
| X-Fade | GeneralAntilles: That, I can't say ;) | 18:17 |
| GeneralAntilles | Gandalf to X-Fade; "You shall not pass!" | 18:17 |
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| ShadowJK | RST38h, <RST38h> E55 has N810-like keyboard, no T9 required | 18:23 |
| ShadowJK | RST38h, I think you mean E75? | 18:23 |
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| GeneralAntilles | ShadowJK, that might explain it. . . . | 18:25 |
| ShadowJK | E55 seems a bit strange in that it allegedly has a 600MHz processor | 18:27 |
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| ShadowJK | N97 has only vague specs available and no other phone has that CPU if you're to believe nokia | 18:29 |
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| * ShadowJK still wants modern hw into E70 shape :( | 18:30 | |
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| qwerty12 | Stskeeps, you'll know, is tana_fi_internet correct? | 18:30 |
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| Stskeeps | qwerty12: think so | 18:31 |
| qwerty12 | thanks | 18:31 |
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| b0unc3 | hey, there is any way to select multiple files with hildon_file_chooser ? | 18:34 |
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| GeneralAntilles | ShadowJK, I'm really surprised the N97 is still ARM11 | 18:35 |
| rm_you | GeneralAntilles: &@*#(^$@ I want to get autobuilder to build the newest ABL >_< | 18:35 |
| qwerty12 | b0unc3, gtk_file_chooser_set_select_multiple works for me but I can only select files that are next to each other by dragging | 18:36 |
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| b0unc3 | qwerty12: ah gtk_file_chooser ... | 18:37 |
| b0unc3 | ty | 18:37 |
| qwerty12 | np | 18:37 |
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| parasight_ | does anyone know how I can contact frethop? | 18:38 |
| parasight_ | he is marked as mentor for GSoC-project "Implement Internet Storage client" | 18:38 |
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| GeneralAntilles | OK, I'm offline for the next couple days. | 18:43 |
| GeneralAntilles | Later all. | 18:43 |
| qwerty12 | later GA | 18:43 |
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| rm_you | X-Fade: with autobuilder, if armel build succeeds but x86 build fails, it marks the whole build as failed and does not put the armel build in the promoter? | 18:46 |
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| qwerty12 | rm_you, just set your Archtecture to armel in control and it'll only build for armel | 18:48 |
| rm_you | anyone have a machine with a working scratchbox that I can have a shell account on? | 18:48 |
| rm_you | my SB is borked again and i dont have time to fix it | 18:49 |
| rm_you | and i want to get this fricking release out | 18:49 |
| rm_you | been sitting in SVN for like 5 months | 18:49 |
| rm_you | for no reason | 18:49 |
| qwerty12 | yerga, gftp sent to autobuilder | 18:50 |
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| X-Fade | rm_you: true. | 18:51 |
| rm_you | damn | 18:51 |
| rm_you | why? :/ | 18:52 |
| X-Fade | rm_you: Because you told it you want both armel and x86 packages ;) | 18:52 |
| yerga | qwerty12, cool, I'll test it later | 18:52 |
| woglinde | rm_you try install scratchbox2 and be happy | 18:52 |
| yerga | qwerty12, I use it everyday to get from the computer | 18:53 |
| qwerty12 | woglinde, scratchbox2 != something that makes me happy :p | 18:53 |
| qwerty12 | yerga, cool, I can only assume that it'll be under rigorous testing then ;) | 18:53 |
| woglinde | I like it much more then sb1 | 18:53 |
| qwerty12 | Only problem I had with SB1 is that I couldn't think of a way to SBOX_REDIRECT_IGNORE from rules but I solved that recently so I'm happy :) | 18:54 |
| lizardo | X-Fade: does it take too long to a built package move to the extras-devel repository ? | 18:55 |
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| yerga | lizardo, are you uploading pymaemo to fremantle? | 18:56 |
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| X-Fade | lizardo: cron runs a few times per hour. | 18:56 |
| X-Fade | lizardo: So not that long.. | 18:56 |
| lizardo | yerga: yes | 18:56 |
| yerga | lizardo, nice, a couple of suggestions | 18:56 |
| lizardo | X-Fade: ok , here it is :) just took longer than I expected hehe | 18:57 |
| woglinde | X-Fade hm which hardware the autobuilders run on? | 18:57 |
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| yerga | lizardo, python-hildon should depends on pygtk | 18:57 |
| yerga | and pygtk on pygobject and pycairo | 18:57 |
| VDVsx | parasight_, I will send you the contact in pm | 18:57 |
| lizardo | yerga: this is all fixed on fremantle :) | 18:58 |
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| lizardo | yerga: we are now closely following the debian packaging , instead of doing our own thing for all packages | 18:59 |
| yerga | lizardo, cool thanks, it's a good thing | 18:59 |
| qwerty12 | lizardo, that's a relief :) | 18:59 |
| Stskeeps | yay less work | 18:59 |
| rm_you | X-Fade: I just said "any" :P | 18:59 |
| rm_you | X-Fade: any should be || not && | 19:00 |
| rm_you | it's *ANY* | 19:00 |
| qwerty12 | "Specifying any indicates that the source package isn't dependent on any particular architecture and should compile fine on any one. The produced binary package(s) will be specific to whatever the current build architecture is." | 19:00 |
| qwerty12 | Mainly, the first sentence. | 19:00 |
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| rm_you | well, it isn't and it should | 19:01 |
| rm_you | i dunno wtf is broken on i386 | 19:01 |
| rm_you | bah | 19:01 |
| rm_you | advanced-backlight.c:64:34: asm/arch-omap/omapfb.h: No such file or directory | 19:01 |
| rm_you | <_< | 19:01 |
| rm_you | fail | 19:01 |
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| * rm_you wishes he had a working SB to fix it | 19:01 | |
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| Macer | do they have zfs for linux? | 20:00 |
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| Stskeeps | Macer: only fuse | 20:13 |
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| oli | maemo-barcode is dead, yep? | 20:39 |
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| lcuk | oli, dont think so | 20:40 |
| lcuk | its just resting | 20:40 |
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| oli | it's resting for nearly 2 years ;\ | 20:44 |
| lcuk | shouldnt be, i thought lardman was working on database stuff recently | 20:46 |
| lcuk | last svn updated was 8days | 20:47 |
| lcuk | ago | 20:47 |
| * VDVsx gonna watch WRC again :P | 20:47 | |
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| lcuk | VDVsx, what happened that was worth it? | 20:47 |
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| oli | lcuk: oh, so I have to check ;) | 20:48 |
| lcuk | https://garage.maemo.org/plugins/scmsvn/viewcvs.php/?root=maemo-barcode | 20:49 |
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| VDVsx | lcuk, WRC is on town :P, tomorrow I will see live | 20:57 |
| * VDVsx like's motors sports | 20:57 | |
| disco_stuN800 | VDVsx, lucky you!! | 20:58 |
| lcuk | i thought most rallys were in the countryside | 20:58 |
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| lcuk | VDVsx, the grand prix last week was good as well | 20:59 |
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| disco_stuN800 | i had Dakar near home this year | 20:59 |
| lcuk | nice! | 21:00 |
| lcuk | VDVsx, do you already know where you are standing | 21:00 |
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| VDVsx | disco_stuN800, I had in the last 2 years :P | 21:01 |
| VDVsx | disco_stuN800, Dakar | 21:01 |
| nona | how can i set the icon menu to 26x26? | 21:01 |
| lcuk | valerio, didnt know you were in portugal! :) last 2 holidays have been there | 21:01 |
| VDVsx | lcuk, lol | 21:02 |
| VDVsx | lcuk, and I live in Algarve | 21:02 |
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| lcuk | do you wanna swap, its normally cold n miserable here in manchester? :D | 21:03 |
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| VDVsx | lcuk, cold is fine for me, but rainy ....nah | 21:04 |
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| lcuk | is it the first rally you have been to? | 21:06 |
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| VDVsx | lcuk, nop, my region have rally's every year (National, TT, WRC, DAKAR..) | 21:09 |
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| lcuk | heh cool, maybe thats a hint you need to fixup the roads :D | 21:10 |
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| VDVsx | lcuk, lol, in which part of Portugal have you been ? | 21:11 |
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| lcuk | albufeira and alvor | 21:15 |
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| * timelE61i sighs | 21:16 | |
| * timelE61i missed lunch again | 21:16 | |
| lcuk | you should set a timer | 21:16 |
| * timelE61i missed a telco for the nth straight week | 21:16 | |
| timelE61i | odds are the timer wouldn't survive dst properly :) | 21:17 |
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| timelE61i | Otoh, i had an excellent dinner at the local japanese restaurant | 21:17 |
| lcuk | mmm yes, dst screwed me up for a while | 21:18 |
| timelE61i | so, i think tomorrow i'll take my mac home and set it up from scratch | 21:19 |
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| VDVsx | lcuk, I live near to Albufeira, next summer I will pay you a beer :) | 21:19 |
| timelE61i | It's been waiting all week for me to try to rescue it | 21:19 |
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| timelE61i | Fwiw, one doesn't usually "pay people a beer" | 21:20 |
| lcuk | sounds good to me VDVsx :) but we need to get drunk before then | 21:20 |
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| timelE61i | You can *buy* a person a beer | 21:20 |
| timelE61i | Or pay them *in* beer | 21:21 |
| lcuk | buy them with beer | 21:21 |
| lcuk | you would pay them in beer | 21:21 |
| VDVsx | I'm confused, right now :( | 21:21 |
| timelE61i | You can do that, too (buy with), but it tends to be fairly pricey :) | 21:21 |
| * timelE61i trips walking up a step | 21:22 | |
| lcuk | im so used to things being mispronounced and broken language that i personally dont care anymore | 21:22 |
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| lcuk | as long as the intent gets through :) | 21:22 |
| lcuk | hiya Khertan | 21:22 |
| timelE61i | i'm still considering the latest gsoc maemo-community post | 21:22 |
| lfelipe | is Csaba here ? (anyone knows his irc nick ?) | 21:22 |
| lfelipe | VDVsx: ^ | 21:22 |
| timelE61i | Where the author butchered the first couple of lines | 21:23 |
| timelE61i | Including the title | 21:23 |
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| timelE61i | Note that i only care because language matters | 21:23 |
| timelE61i | The application manager.... | 21:23 |
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| lcuk | yes i know you care timelE61i :) which is why i corrected your correction :P | 21:24 |
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| VDVsx | timelE61i, which one ? | 21:24 |
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| * timelE61i sighs | 21:24 | |
| timelE61i | ? | 21:25 |
| timelE61i | Well, application manager is... Interesting | 21:26 |
| timelE61i | It used to be application installer | 21:26 |
| timelE61i | So its codename is "ai" | 21:26 |
| timelE61i | a string comment says list item in main view | 21:28 |
| timelE61i | And has a value "show installed applications" | 21:28 |
| timelE61i | Obviously, "list" is a typo for "lists" | 21:28 |
| timelE61i | but... the id is ai_li_uninstall | 21:29 |
| timelE61i | and the thing is a button | 21:29 |
| timelE61i | Li means list item | 21:29 |
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| timelE61i | The right id would be am_bv_installed_applications | 21:30 |
| timelE61i | ... | 21:30 |
| * timelE61i curses | 21:30 | |
| timelE61i | andre: long comments posted internally | 21:30 |
| andre__ | thanks, seen them. sigh, i'm sometimes also missing the right words so people get it immediately it seems :-/ | 21:33 |
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| Dmar198_336 | hey guys, I just accessed this from a website called 'tablet hacker' | 21:38 |
| Dmar198_336 | could you guys possibly help me with something related to a nokia internet tablet? | 21:38 |
| Dmar198_336 | um... I've been typing and submiting, but I don't see any words | 21:39 |
| Stskeeps | do ask | 21:39 |
| Dmar198_336 | nevermind, there they are. There is a delay. | 21:39 |
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| VDVsx | keesj, ping | 21:58 |
| timelE61i | andre: slap them harder | 21:59 |
| timelE61i | Btw, can someone please support me on maemo-community? | 21:59 |
| timelE61i | Otherwise, i'm gone | 21:59 |
| timelE61i | It's been a lame ride | 21:59 |
| timelE61i | Adovacy is totally inappropriate | 22:00 |
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| keesj | VDVsx: yo | 22:06 |
| VDVsx | keesj, your last GSoC comment is in pvt :) | 22:06 |
| VDVsx | damn system :P | 22:06 |
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| keesj | VDVsx: I wonder If I can vote 2 times to make the score back to 0 :p | 22:07 |
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| VDVsx | keesj, maybe lol | 22:08 |
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| VDVsx | keesj, good point in the RTM proposal, I bet nobody thought about that issue yet | 22:12 |
| keesj | I guess that with a n810+ you can use the keyboard but that's not the realy thing IMHO | 22:13 |
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| * lcuk almost sold out today | 22:32 | |
| timelE61i | pIng | 22:32 |
| lcuk | pong | 22:33 |
| timelE61i | Anyone here have time to help me find an Ari quote? | 22:33 |
| lcuk | sorry for vanishing earlier timeless | 22:33 |
| Jaffa | timelE61i: which one? | 22:33 |
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| timelE61i | Something about eventually selling devices for non geeks | 22:33 |
| timelE61i | Or alternatively one about going from super geeks to geeks | 22:34 |
| timelE61i | gah, my dvr sucks | 22:35 |
| timelE61i | It's less responsive than my tablets | 22:35 |
| timelE61i | And yes, that's a terrible insult :) | 22:35 |
| Jaffa | timelE61i: There's a bit about "consumer mainstream" in http://jaaksi.blogspot.com/2008/09/osim-news-whats-up-with-maemo.html | 22:35 |
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| lcuk | "Our vision is to bring the innovation, quality and end user participation into consumer mainstream." | 22:36 |
| timelE61i | i'll use that | 22:36 |
| timelE61i | His blog sucks | 22:36 |
| timelE61i | The main page has that thing | 22:36 |
| timelE61i | But i can't find a link to it | 22:36 |
| lcuk | http://jaaksi.blogspot.com/2008/09/osim-news-whats-up-with-maemo.html | 22:37 |
| lcuk | lol | 22:37 |
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| lcuk | jaffa you hid your link | 22:37 |
| Jaffa | How? | 22:37 |
| Jaffa | I just pasted it :-/ | 22:37 |
| * Jaffa hates computers | 22:38 | |
| VDVsx | timelE61i, some here too: http://www.linuxjournal.com/article/8351 | 22:38 |
| Stskeeps | timelE61i: the FAT discussion is probably irrelevant for maemo itself, as it's same problematique with any nokia device, any vendor, so it's difficult | 22:38 |
| Stskeeps | like, the firmware on it | 22:38 |
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| * Stskeeps sighs about silly patents | 22:39 | |
| lcuk | jaffa, me too, they are too fumbly and finicky about filenames and stuff | 22:39 |
| * lcuk mutters somethign about case sensitivity | 22:40 | |
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| timelE61i | aNyway, would someone please tell him to shut up | 22:41 |
| timelE61i | Otherwise. I will unsubscribe tomorrow | 22:41 |
| timelE61i | I've had two or three run ins w/ lawyers at nokia | 22:41 |
| timelE61i | Including one pending this week | 22:41 |
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| Stskeeps | must be about as nice feeling as running into debian-legal | 22:42 |
| timelE61i | been there | 22:42 |
| timelE61i | Hate debian | 22:42 |
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| timelE61i | Iceweasel is partially my fault | 22:42 |
| timelE61i | Remember that | 22:42 |
| Jaffa | timelE61i: just ignore it - I delete more threads than I read, and *way* more than I bother replying to | 22:43 |
| timelE61i | jaffa: i chose to ignore most of the gsocs :) | 22:43 |
| timelE61i | I should get points for restraint | 22:43 |
| Jaffa | Yeah, but the snappage was quite extreme ;-) | 22:44 |
| timelE61i | Fwiw, i complained about marketing content earlier today | 22:44 |
| timelE61i | Earlier this week i critiqued the userguide | 22:44 |
| timelE61i | The user guide is always fun | 22:44 |
| suihkulokki | timelE61i: the current mozilla* maintainer wants to leave the maintaining those packages, now you could take them over ;) | 22:44 |
| timelE61i | 1. They ask for comments | 22:44 |
| timelE61i | Sui: no thanks | 22:45 |
| timelE61i | I'm not that crazy | 22:45 |
| timelE61i | 2. They reply "no, it's too late", "we already paid to translate", "that's borrowed from s60", "that's from lawyers", "that's from branding" | 22:46 |
| timelE61i | Wtf did they ask for comments? | 22:46 |
| Jaffa | Eugh | 22:46 |
| timelE61i | Thankfully, marketing actually wants to sell and wants my feedback | 22:47 |
| timelE61i | Unlike userguide | 22:47 |
| timelE61i | Which really doesn't want anyone to read it | 22:47 |
| lbt | timelE61i: you should butt out :) | 22:48 |
| lbt | that's my considered advice! | 22:48 |
| suihkulokki | fortunately the users also tend to share the disinterest of reading manuals :P | 22:48 |
| timelE61i | as i said, i'll unsubscribe tomorrow | 22:48 |
| lbt | no | 22:48 |
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| lbt | from the thread | 22:48 |
| timelE61i | Sui: probably because they suck | 22:48 |
| timelE61i | as i said, i'll unsubscribe tomorrow | 22:48 |
| timelE61i | -community can fsck off | 22:49 |
| lbt | on your own legal advice? | 22:49 |
| timelE61i | Yes. | 22:49 |
| lbt | hey, he only posted a couple of hours ago | 22:49 |
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| lbt | I just replied | 22:49 |
| timelE61i | I don't need to talk to lawyers about multiple subjects in the same day/week/month | 22:49 |
| lbt | don't pretend this has anything to do with "the community" | 22:49 |
| timelE61i | Preferably not even the same quarter | 22:49 |
| lbt | it's all your decision | 22:49 |
| timelE61i | Or year | 22:50 |
| timelE61i | Or company | 22:50 |
| * timelE61i grumbles | 22:50 | |
| * lbt grins | 22:50 | |
| lbt | I've been there | 22:50 |
| lbt | act in haste, repent at leisure | 22:50 |
| Stskeeps | timelE61i: i have 0.11testing1 vmdk of mer if you want to play btw - upped vmdk size to 4gb | 22:51 |
| lbt | good man Stskeeps divert him | 22:51 |
| Stskeeps | lbt: nah, nothing about diversion - i just forgot to bring it up the last evenings, knew there was something i forgot | 22:52 |
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| timelE61i | sts: i need to repair my mac | 22:52 |
| timelE61i | It's at work, i'm @home w/ laptop | 22:52 |
| lbt | well I'm off to use up all Jaffa's bandwidth - cu in a bit | 22:52 |
| timelE61i | Poke me sunday if i'm not crying about it / doing taxes | 22:52 |
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| Stskeeps | timelE61i: ah, did the HD die within the first week or something? | 22:53 |
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| Jaffa | lbt: don't worry - there's loads ;-) | 22:53 |
| * lbt swoons | 22:53 | |
| timelE61i | Osx rewrote the parition table to mark my zpool as fat | 22:53 |
| Stskeeps | ah | 22:53 |
| Stskeeps | so lovely | 22:53 |
| timelE61i | And i haven't had time to try to figure out how to fix it | 22:53 |
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| Stskeeps | heh, the time i spent trying to resurrect my zpool when it was on a freebsd zfs implementation.. | 22:58 |
| Stskeeps | efi and smi labels and partitions and slices.. dear god | 22:58 |
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| timelE61i | any idea how to edit those labels? | 23:02 |
| timelE61i | I'm wondering if fixing my zpool is easy enough | 23:02 |
| Stskeeps | i'd relabel it using a opensolaris machine or something.. | 23:03 |
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| timelE61i | I have it in target disk mode | 23:09 |
| timelE61i | But fdisk and format and some other friends get stuck in kernel land | 23:09 |
| Stskeeps | mm, well i'm not sure how your zpool was set up | 23:10 |
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| timelE61i | i used disk utility to size a partiton as fat | 23:22 |
| timelE61i | Then i used zpool create w/ the fat partiton | 23:22 |
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| Stskeeps | ok, so what keeps the zpool from being imported? | 23:24 |
| timelE61i | wEll | 23:24 |
| timelE61i | Osx mounts the thing automatically as fat | 23:24 |
| timelE61i | And zpool list shows nothing | 23:24 |
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| Stskeeps | and not zpool import either? that's the more clear view | 23:28 |
| timelE61i | zpool import could work even w/o list? | 23:30 |
| timelE61i | I think zpool import didn't list anything | 23:31 |
| timelE61i | But i don't think i tried giving it the dev anyway | 23:31 |
| Stskeeps | zpool list just shows which the system loads automatically | 23:32 |
| Stskeeps | zpool import shows which pools are importable, searches through all devices and partitions | 23:32 |
| Stskeeps | like, when i made a new nexenta install, i would naturally have to zpool import as my zpool cache didn't contain the pool :P | 23:35 |
| qwerty12_N800 | ukki: ping | 23:35 |
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| * timelE61i nods | 23:39 | |
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| timelE61i | jaffa: xkcd.com/406 ? :) | 23:49 |
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| Jaffa | timelE61i: heh | 23:52 |
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