IRC log of #maemo for Monday, 2009-03-30

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rohananilhey all :)01:33
rohananili am interested in the Improve Xournal project01:33
rohananiland adding handwriting recognition to it :)01:33
rohananilare there any mentors around :) (i know its a sunday )01:34
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VDVsxrohananil, the mentor for this project should be anidel, but he is not here right now, I guess01:36
rohananilVDVsx: thanks , could you tell me  what time is he around usually ? :)01:36
VDVsxrohananil, probably during the working hours (UTC time)01:38
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rohananilok thank you again :)01:39
rohananili have one more question , the opencv svn ,porting to maemo and testing , would require the student to have a tablet ? :)01:39
rohananiloh yeah its written there itself :)01:40
VDVsxrohananil, yup01:41
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jaem_hey folks07:32
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jaem_are there any parts of the Bluetooth framework on Maemo that are closed source?07:57
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gsochi frendz09:12
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RST38hmoo all09:15
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gsocis frethop around ?09:15
gsoccan somebudy help me reagrding gsoc project "bluetooth audio speaker"09:17
RST38hyou probably want lardman09:18
pundiramithi i'm trying out maemo5-alpha sdk on ubuntu-8.10 but i'm not able to install nokia-binaries.. what could i be doing wrong here?09:19
gsocRST38h: is he around ?09:19
RST38hcare to do /whois lardman ?09:21
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jaemhey qwerty1209:28
qwerty12hi jaem09:28
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gsocifelipe: will u plz help me with gsoc project "implmnt bluetooth speaker support" ?09:37
gsoclfelipe: will u plz help me with gsoc project "implmnt bluetooth speaker support" ?09:37
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gsocis lfelipe around ?09:44
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timelE61isp3000: ping10:00
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aquatixmorning all10:25
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JaffaMorning, al10:44
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b0unc3good morning10:54
GeneralAntillesMan, not having fans blaring all night leads to some quality shut eye10:54
Stskeepsyeah, i did away with 24/7 machines in my apartment some years ago10:54
Stskeepsimproved my sleeping immensely10:54
GeneralAntillesWaking up to more itT insanity puts a dampener on it, though.10:56
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eichiis there no pidgin update for maemo?10:56
GeneralAntillesIt disturbs me greatly that so many people could have it so _wrong_10:57
eichicant use it anymore for icq10:57
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Maceranybody here know of a linux NAS distro11:13
Macerlike freenas?11:13
Macerhm.. Stskeeps is it any good?11:16
GeneralAntillesAh, NOW the Mini decides to boot.11:16
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MacerStskeeps: i will be happy if it can use my 8TB to its fullest11:18
Maceresxi is running like shit. i put in an intel server nic and am getting 7MB/s over a gbit nework11:19
StskeepsGeneralAntilles: no explosions yet?11:19
StskeepsMacer: no clue. i use nexenta11:19
GeneralAntillesStskeeps, well, they may have been, but I just haven't noticed yet11:20
MacerStskeeps: wow.. that looks pretty badass11:22
GeneralAntillesHum, E71x for $9911:22
Macergnu opensolaris? :)11:22
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Macerwould i be lost in the sauce trying to use it?11:23
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Maceri doubt it would even support my areca raid11:23
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MacerStskeeps: you actually use that as your OS on your box?11:26
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Maceri will try openfiler first.. that does look very interesting though Stskeeps11:30
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lcukmorning \o11:32
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lcukMyrtti, its monday mornin you have to speak a real language :P11:47
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aquatixlcuk: i guess we need to apply more coffee/strong tea to Myrtti first ;)11:49
MyrttiI'm slowly starting to think that if I stabbed my bum with a kitchen knife, the pain would probably be smaller and less constant that without stabbing it11:50
Myrttifscking piriformis/sciatica11:50
lcuk:( Myrtti11:51
lcukaquatix, if we applied strong coffee to myrttis sore area Im sure we would be in serious trouble as soon as she can move again11:51
lcukinfact, now might be our only chance :D11:51
lcukMyrtti, take this as a sign you need a trip to ikea for a better comfortable chair11:52
aquatixouch, indeed ;)11:52
aquatixMyrtti: is it chronic with you?11:53
* aquatix has similar backpains now and then11:53
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Myrttiaquatix: yes, for year and a half now11:53
aquatixbut that's mostly when i forget my posture11:53
aquatixMyrtti: :(11:54
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lcuki did my back no favours years ago - i "rescued" my son from a climbing frame, then jumped down with him in my arms11:54
lcuknot far, but enough to compress it all :'(11:54
* lcuk still regrets that decision11:54
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Myrttiall I did was to do leg press excercise with a bad back11:54
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Myrttilost my right foot for four months and limped for six11:55
aquatixouch :/11:55
Myrttion the good side11:55
Myrttiepilating my right leg is quite fun since I can't feel the outer side of it11:56
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Myrttiand I can feel my toes nowadays11:56
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X-FadeSweet, an Antonov just passed over my house at a few 100m ;)12:02
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X-FadeAlways fun to see the massive row of tires.12:03
GeneralAntillesI grew up under a flight path for the local municipal airport12:05
GeneralAntillesI miss the sound of Cessnas flying over all day.12:05
X-FadeWell we don't see them that much. There is this military airport where it lands, which is about 10KM from here..12:06
X-FadeProbably dropping off 3 apaches returning from Afganistan.12:06
GeneralAntillesYeah, had the military airport, too (MacDill) which brought out the F-16s, and the Blackhawks, plus the Coast Guard station and the international airport . . . lots of airtraffic come to think of it.12:07
lcukx-fade, get your remote out and try to take control12:09
GeneralAntilless/remote/N810/ ? ;)12:10
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lcuko_O not a bad idea gen12:10
lcukcould use it for store and replay aerobatics12:10
lcukneeds multitouch or a decent dpad tho ;)12:10
GeneralAntilleslcuk's going to try to fly his $1500 gas-powered RC chopper with his N810 now12:11
lcukusing ad-hoc12:11
GeneralAntillesand will instantly crash it upsidedown into the grass.12:11
lcukhave you seen ppl flying upsidedown doing grasscutting with RC helis?12:11
X-FadeGeneralAntilles: Well, with a 3-axis gyro which is supposed to be in RX-51. ;)12:12
X-Fadelcuk: Yep, I have seen that.12:12
GeneralAntillesYeah, there's a local RC club that meets up in a giant field in north county12:12
GeneralAntillesI've even flown one for a bit. ;)12:12
lcukwhy anyone would want to come so close to smashing up 100/0's of poundso f equipment i dunno12:13
lcuk"mayday, mayday"12:13
GeneralAntilleslcuk, ever seen stunt pilots fly real choppers? :P12:13
X-Fadelcuk: Bladescrapes on the pavement are also the thing to do ;)12:13
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X-FadeLike this:
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GeneralAntillesI wonder whether AT&T is going to charge for the more expensive data plan for the E71x12:16
timelE61iAnyone here understand ldap?12:16
GeneralAntillesand whether I care since I'm going to have to pay it anyway with the RX-5112:17
aquatixhm, data plan with the rx-51?12:19
* aquatix just wants a tablet with no strings attached12:19
GeneralAntillesaquatix, well, I want data, some I'm going to need to pay for it12:20
Myrttiah blisssssssss the painkillers work12:20
GeneralAntillesjust because the option is there doesn't mean you need to use it.12:20
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aquatixMyrtti: \o/12:21
aquatixGeneralAntilles: true12:21
aquatixGeneralAntilles: just hope it's an option :)12:21
aquatixotoh, flatfee 3G...12:22
GeneralAntillesaquatix, there's no way they'll require some sort of contract.12:22
aquatixbut that'll take a while before it's here12:22
aquatix(rx-51 that is)12:22
X-Fadeaquatix: Although maybe you can get an rx-51 with a plan for cheap ;)12:22
aquatixX-Fade: maybe, but then i'll have to wait till the official release12:23
aquatixgot my n810 in the US12:23
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GeneralAntillesYou gotta be kidding me12:31
GeneralAntillesanother damn power outage12:31
X-FadeGeneralAntilles: Get a diesel generator ;)12:32
GeneralAntillesX-Fade, hehe, then suffocate myself on carbonmonoxide?12:32
X-FadeI didn't say you need to put it in the same room ;)12:33
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GeneralAntillesX-Fade, small apartment, 3rd floor.12:33
X-FadeGeneralAntilles: Hang it over the balcony? :)12:33
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X-FadeOr attached to the outside wall just like AC units..12:34
GeneralAntillesNo balcony. :P12:34
GeneralAntillesNice, looks like we only lost a phase, though.12:34
GeneralAntillesPower's still on in the bedroom.12:34
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svu_hi alterego12:40
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VDVsxmorning, all12:44
rohananilhey ya12:45
rohananilmorning VDVsx12:45
Stskeepsmorning VDVsx12:46
VDVsxStskeeps, we have mer already ? :p12:47
Stskeepsuploading the testing images atm12:47
* VDVsx want to test mer 0.1112:48
rohananilhey is anidel around ? :)12:48
VDVsx~seen anidel12:49
infobotanidel <> was last seen on IRC in channel #maemo, 19d 11h 15m 52s ago, saying: 'b-man will do'.12:49
rohananilohh :)12:49
rohananilill mail him probably :)12:50
VDVsxbetter e-mail him, I think:p12:50
rohananilthanks :P12:50
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whmhi. should gcov work without problems in scratchbox?13:10
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derkaiserhi, all, I want to invite you to visit my gsoc application site: And please feel free to give comments on my proposal, 3x~13:20
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Stskeepsderkaiser: hint: s/Mameo/Maemo/13:22
timelE61iIs your named spelled right ;?13:24
Stskeepsand of personal interest - you mention a paper, where was it published, since i have difficulties finding it in journals13:25
derkaiseryes, because it is still in submission~13:25
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lcukgah! i wrote a v small program to do a small but tricky job sometime in the last 4 years.  its gone missing!13:25
derkaiserand 3x for your suggestions,:)13:25
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Stskeepsfair enough13:26
floriangood morning13:26
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derkaiseroh, it is afternoon here, beijing:)13:26
florianderkaiser: I guessw e have UGT here anyway :-)13:27
timelE61iFwiw, the first sentence w/ your name is wrong13:27
timelE61iMy name is ... As a something <what>13:28
timelE61ias requires more from a sentence13:28
timelE61iYou might have meant to write "i am" instead13:28
derkaiseroh, it seems I modified so many times and still leave some errors there~3x, timelE61i:)13:29
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timelE61iQuotation marks should be around the thing they quote:,like "this quote"13:30
* Stskeeps notes it's notoriously difficult to put back a key on a keyboard when you're either 1) stoned or 2) have a fever13:31
timelE61iBtw, what's a plaNtform? Is it some specially shaped leafy thing?13:31
Stskeepsgreen platforms13:31
derkaiserok, I will fix those~ 3x13:31
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timelE61ithe parenthetical suffers from a few other errors13:32
timelE61iYou must not write "may can"13:32
timelE61iAnd you confused form and from13:32
atvis lfelipe around?13:33
derkaiseryes, it should be maybe but not "may" ~13:33
derkaiserI'm so careless~~:(13:35
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* lcuk curses 17th january 200613:36
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florianlcuk: ?!13:44
Stskeepsmorning keesj13:45
lcukheh florian, i wrote a simple function to parse through a complete object model and insert a specific function ages ago, i have a v similar problem now and all i can discover is the change log entry, the modified files, but i cant find the damned parser i used13:45
GAN800Hey, keesj.13:45
lcukand it all happened on 17jan13:45
florianlcuk: heh13:46
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keesjlcuk is on a different planet talking with different pleople about things WE don't yet understand but that just fine13:48
keesjderkaiser: I looked at the video of what you did with this media streamer. I didn't quite get it13:49
timelE61iTalk me through firewire disk mode?13:49
lcukkeesj, same planet, different language ;)13:49
lcukor is visual basic not a language :P13:49
GAN800timelE61i, plug the cable into both computers, turn off the computer you want to be the dumb disk, the turn it back on hold down T.13:50
derkaiserkeesj, it's something like a radio which receive the information from the broadcast station.13:51
* RST38h uses the occassion to moo at lcuk13:51
lcukmornin rst13:52
* timelE61i does so (from apple instructions)13:52
derkaiserbecause my supervisor ask me not add any audio annotation into the demo vedio, so I think most of people who have not used the system yet can not know what it is,:(13:53
* RST38h goes over recent conspiracy threads on itt13:53
* RST38h strokes his crystal balls and cackles satisfied13:53
keesjlcuk an other language
GAN800RST38h, will eat your family.13:53
* keesj looked at the liqbase you yesterday...13:54
RST38hGAN: You mean, before I do it MYSELF?13:54
keesjit looks like c code to me13:54
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RST38hkeesjL this looks like generic C++-like comment block to me13:55
atvhi guys, does bluemaemo suppots HFP ?13:55
RST38hCan belong to any language that supports // comments13:55
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* Stskeeps watches mer 0.11testing1 boot13:59
Stskeepsi so need a new n800. the scrolling is getting worse.13:59
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Stskeepsor need to talk to my brother the electric engineer13:59
GAN800Stskeeps, go beg a tablet from Nokia. ;)14:00
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lcukkeesj, liqbase is the first app ive written in c since i played on my amiga in the late 90s14:01
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lcuknone of this helps me though cos i still cant find that damned function i need14:03
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Stskeepsright, 0.11testing1 for those that want to test:
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Stskeeps'lo khertan14:09
KhertanHello !14:09
GeneralAntillesMan it's obnoxious when you only remember that somebody has you on ignore after you've typed up a long response to their post. . . .14:09
Khertanx-fade: auto builder seems dead14:09
Khertan'lo stskeeps14:10
X-FadeKhertan: There is an enormous queue:
X-FadeLet me see what is cooking ;)14:11
Khertandid you think it s a good idea to made a preoloader daemon for mcalendar ? as  it s take 12s to be launched nd only 1s with a daemon14:12
X-FadeKhertan: Can you use the python preloading thingy?14:12
Khertanx-fade : a long queue which has not move this since 4 hours14:12
lcukkhertan, have you checked where your startup time comes from? (is that even possible with python?)14:13
Khertanthe preloading python-launcher doesn t really improve things ... only 9s with it14:13
Khertanthe preloading time come from all import14:13
lcukwould it be possible to "cheat" the user by displaying the ui but using a small cache table in your database showing current weekview or something14:13
Khertannope as i need to importg hildon and gtk before14:14
lcukwhat startup time do you have if you dont open database?14:14
lcukor is it the hildon and gtk stuff itself14:14
Khertanwhich take arround 6 or 7s14:14
Khertanas you said ... ouch14:14
X-FadeKhertan: But opening hildon and gtk should be cached by the python-loader ?14:15
Khertanif i do dameon waiting a dbus command just doing the import of gtk14:15
Khertanand hildon14:15
Khertanit takes 1 or 2s14:15
Khertanx-fade: it should ...14:15
lcukdidnt you make mcalendar desktop widget?14:16
lcukwouldnt that class itself as a preloader ;)14:16
Khertanlcuk: there is one14:16
Khertanit couold be a preloader14:16
lcukmind you, then you just slow the actual startup time down considerably14:17
lcuk*whole system14:17
Khertanbut i m splitted between using more memory14:17
Khertanor speedinhg launch14:17
lcukits probably academic, but has anyone actually tracked the calls through gtk and hildon and found out what the problem is?14:17
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Khertani'm back14:21
Khertanwith a real connection ... sorry14:21
Khertanthe real problem is the gtk and hildon binding14:22
Khertanand making a daemon is one of the answer ...14:22
Khertanbut i think that keeping a daemon which do the import use to many memory14:23
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Khertanfrom what i see my own daemon which replace python-launcher seems more performant :)14:23
X-FadeKhertan: About the builder. Somehow it has a lot that is so high, it doesn't even allow me to login ;)14:23
Khertanmaybe i should finalize it ...14:23
KhertanX-Fade: lol14:24
GeneralAntillesX-Fade, that poor 770. . . .14:24
X-FadeGeneralAntilles: Pre-770 proto ;)14:24
lcukwhat system monitoring tools are available for linux and maemo specifically, in windows i can use regmon and filemon and the other *mon tools from sysinternals14:25
lcukKhertan, your replacement, would it work for all python apps or just yours14:25, where tablets go to be tortured to death before they die.14:25
Khertanlcuk: at this time just for me ...14:25
StskeepsKhertan: it preloads gtk+hildon package or?14:25
Khertanlcuk: but it ll be easy to made it available too for other python app14:26
VDVsxatv, no, BlueMaemo implements HID only14:26
KhertanStskeeps: it preload gtk, hildon and some other python module14:26
lcukKhertan, have you checked on the python site for updates which might help in this situation - ie could this be cured by default with fremantle/mer?14:26
StskeepsVDVsx: interesting14:26
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StskeepsKhertan: so basically the existing python-launcher and making it load gtk+hildon+some others at boot would work too? :P14:27
lcukVDVsx, id love to tie up your keyboard with a wifi daemon - ive used a remote control from my 810 to windows now for the last year without failure or reconnects14:27
KhertanStskeeps: don't know ... but it look like that the actual python launcher doesn't do it s works correctly ...14:27
Khertanmaybe i should take a look into the code14:27
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lcukStskeeps, that sounds like a better fixup14:28
lcukthat would help all14:28
atvVDVsx: that means for gsoc project "Bluetooth speaker support using HFP emulation" we have to implement HFP in bluemaemo?14:28
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lcukStskeeps, Khertan but if the user doesnt run many python desktop apps the extra startup time will go against the stuff users expect - ie if as khertan says its a 5-7 seconds delay, does it help14:30
VDVsxatv, for me, don't make many sense put audio functionalities in a remote controller program...., but just IMHO14:31
VDVsxlcuk, have to think about that :p14:31
lcukVDVsx, the wiimote has audio features ;)14:31
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Khertanlcuk: it s a daemon launch in background ... so doesn't extends the maemo-launcher startup time ...14:31
Khertancould be launch after14:31
VDVsxlcuk, really ? bips ??, lol14:31
lcukVDVsx, its got a mic as well ifiak14:32
Khertanas we can't really cache things in maemo launcher as it doesn't threads for applet ...14:32
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* VDVsx steals lcuk wii :P14:32
* lcuk sends a golden stream over the internet and grosses the entire channel out14:33
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Khertanarg ... python-launcher is coded in c ... bouhhhh14:38
lcuklol khertan14:39
lcukdo you want the apt-get line i use to put all gcc and everything on the device14:39
Khertani didn't want to lost my time anymore to do c14:41
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lcukkhertan, then file upstream bugs to the python-launcher people requesting hildon+gtk inclusion14:42
X-FadeHmm it seems that qwerty's webkit build issued 10s or possibly 100s of parallel builds ;)14:42
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Macori have come to the conclusion that this centos install is not working14:42
lcukheh X-Fade nice!  we always knew qwerty was capable of working harder than anyone else14:42
Macorlooks like i just give up and use debian14:42
X-Fadelcuk: Essentially rocketing the load up to insane numbers.14:43
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lcukpublic flogging later?14:43
Khertanlcuk: i mainly think that doing it in python to preload python import will be better and will release my own "python-launcher" but in python and with an other name14:44
lcukfair enough khertan14:44
X-Fadelcuk: Tar & feathers?14:44
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lcukseems reasonable X-Fade, ill get the popcorn14:44
Khertanhum ... real-python-launcher seems to be a good name :)14:45
lcukill bbiab anyway14:45
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Macorargh! my fucking usb dvd drive is going to make me lose it14:54
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Macori keep getting "boot failed14:54
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svu_alterego ping?14:59
Khertangoing back to work ... bye14:59
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GeneralAntilleslol, so apparently they didn't really fix the power line yesterday so much as re-attach it and leave it hanging across the parking lot and several cars15:18
GeneralAntillesThe power going out again this morning was the garbage truck driving through it.15:18
X-FadeSo glad all our utilities are below ground ;)15:19
LinuxCodeonly weird countries put utilities above ground15:19
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aquatixX-Fade: heh, indeed15:22
GeneralAntillesLinuxCode, well, you go about 4' down and hit the water table here.15:22
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LinuxCodeok then I guess you got no choice15:28
LinuxCodeI find it weird that here in the Uk the last 20 meters to the house, we have a pole and the phone line is dangled across15:28
LinuxCodeidiotic really, thats how the burgulars just cut the damn wires and the alarm is almost useless15:29
LinuxCodeif you got a standing connection15:29
GeneralAntillesUnderground is also a lot more expensive, and makes less sense in lower population density areas (like most of the US)15:29
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GeneralAntillesAnyway, yeah, Florida's power grid is about 50 years out of date. That's why the Super Best Friends keep sending us hurricanes. ;)15:30
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RST38hTransformers hanging from the eletric poles are scary though15:32
RST38hLike a disaster waiting to happen any moment15:32
GeneralAntillesMeh, I guess it's a matter of perspective.15:32
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aquatix14:22:26  GeneralAntil | LinuxCode, well, you go about 4' down and hit the water table here.15:35
aquatixhm, here too15:35
aquatixno issues :)15:36
GeneralAntillesaquatix, also factor in the population density.15:36
aquatixthat's more an issue15:36
* LinuxCode doesnt know what the water table around here even is15:36
aquatixand the kind of surface15:36
aquatixrock sucks ;)15:36
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aquatixin the netherlands you can dig quite well15:36
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LinuxCodeaquatix, you will be able to dig better when the next storm surge happens ;-p15:38
lcukmanchester doesnt have a water table, we float on a sea of boddingtons15:38
aquatixLinuxCode: digging in a layer of water sucks ;)15:39
aquatixlcuk: lol15:39
LinuxCodelcuk, hahaha15:39
fauxmightgan: what part of florida?15:40
lcuki would hate to see what the water table around cardiff has15:40
GeneralAntillesfauxmight, I bounce between Tallahassee and St. Petersburg15:41
lcukfor nsfw yucky photos of welsh boozers search google for cardiff night out totallycrap15:41
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* lcuk never wants to go to wales after seeing those pics15:41
* fauxmight is from Gainesville/Lake City. Living in Oklahoma City at present.15:42
GeneralAntillesfauxmight, nice area. :P15:42
fauxmightI miss it.15:42
GeneralAntillesI can't deal with Gainesville15:42
GeneralAntillesWay too much UF for my tastes.15:43
LinuxCodelcuk, shut it15:43
fauxmightPerhaps. I'm pretty far away from the college sports scene. :)15:43
GeneralAntillesfauxmight, I like being near water, too.15:44
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* Stskeeps is nearby water but doesn't often get to the beach15:45
LinuxCodejeez some of those pics are indeed bad15:46
LinuxCodeI bet most of those people got arrested15:46
lcukLinuxCode, are you living nearby?15:46
LinuxCodeno I dont live in central cardiff15:46
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lcukwell one is resting against a policevan15:47
LinuxCodethat doesnt mean much15:47
LinuxCodeprobably on patrol15:47
LinuxCodebut yeh, there is a distinct problem here15:47
LinuxCodeno way to deny that15:48
LinuxCodethe police just need to give no warnings15:48
LinuxCodeyou are drunk and act stupid, you go to the cells for a night15:48
LinuxCodethat will clean it up instantly15:48
RST38hWhat scary place are you talking about? URL?15:48
LinuxCodeyou talk back to a copper, you go to the cells15:48
aquatix(no, no rickroll, way more funny than that)15:49
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LinuxCodeomg no way15:49
LinuxCodethat looks like Richard15:49
* RST38h suggests dividing the place into blocks with barbed wire, then proactively jailing all 14+ yo males in each block for a week15:49
* LinuxCode saves picture15:49
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RST38hBlock by block15:49
LinuxCodeRST38h, 14 year olds arent allowed to drink in the UK15:50
RST38hLinux: Doesn't matter, I said proactively =)15:50
aquatixLinuxCode: what picture?15:50
LinuxCodeRST38h, problem si coppers are too nice here15:51
LinuxCodethey say, go home 4 times15:51
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LinuxCodeI used to live in Germany, and trust me, you didnt talk back to the coppers there15:51
aquatixin soviet russia, drunks jail coppers15:51
StskeepsLinuxCode: german tax/toll officers are nasty.15:51
LinuxCodein soviet russia, drunks pay off corrupt coppers15:52
LinuxCodeStskeeps, haha yeh15:52
LinuxCodeStskeeps, stop not declaring your ciggies then15:52
Stskeepsah, this was after a trip to .nl15:52
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RST38hLinux: But I guess you can't detain someone just for being drunk15:59
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Stskeepsscary, my firefox (at home) claims i've visited iTT 2483 times15:59
LinuxCodeRST38h, ohh yes you can16:00
LinuxCodedrunk and disorderly16:01
LinuxCodepissing in the street, falling over yourself, fighting, I would call that enough reasons16:01
Macerthis thing has me about to lose my mind16:01
Maceri tried 2 usb cdrom drives16:01
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LinuxCodefact is they havent got enough cells here, thats the real issue16:01
Macerso either the debian netinst iso is messed up.. along with the centos one16:01
RST38hLinux: Pissing, fighting - yes16:02
Maceror there is something wrong with this artigo's usb ports all of a sudden :)16:02
RST38hLinux: Just being drunk - no16:02
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* RST38h suddenly recounts that he has last seen a drunk lying on a Moscow street months ago16:03
RST38h(hobos not included)16:03
Macerok. if this crap doesn't work i give up16:03
LinuxCodeRST38h, I live here and I know coppers in the force16:04
LinuxCodeand you can arrest people if they might be a danger to themselves16:04
LinuxCodeby being too drunk16:04
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LinuxCodebut thats besides the point, fact is they just need to clamp down16:05
aquatixStskeeps: how do you see those visiting stats?16:05
RST38hLinux: Yea, that probably goes under disorderly conduct16:05
LinuxCodeand those pics are def a compilation of the worst I have ever seen16:05
LinuxCodeso I wouldnt take them for granted16:05
Stskeepsaquatix: click the website icon, more information16:05
LinuxCode+ most of those people could be outsiders, as we have a huge stadium that hosts footbal and rugby matches16:06
LinuxCode+ we have a huge student base16:06
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aquatixStskeeps: ah right :)16:08
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VDVsxStskeeps, 2322 times, damn :P16:15
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lardmanafternoon all16:21
RST38hhey lardman16:21
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lardmanhi RST38h16:21
GeneralAntillesHowdy-ho, lardman,16:21
RST38hthis morning some guy was looking for a mentor interested in the BT Speaker project for GSoC16:21
RST38hI pointed him in your direction16:22
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lardmanAm interested, but really busy atm16:22
RST38hThought so but maybe he was just looking for advice16:22
lardmanWedding stuff still being done, pretty much takes up all my weekends16:22
lardmanwell I'm happy to discuss on email/etc. when I can16:22
RST38hlardman <-- stepping onto the slippery road of marriage16:22
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lcukRST38h, lardman's missus however is also being prepared shes gathering a pair of shoes for every condition ;)16:26
lardmandon't joke16:26
lcuksorry lol, tracy is just as bad16:26
lcukis it goin smoothly tho16:26
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lardmanyay! 11-13th September doesn't interfere with the other conference I have to go to16:30
* lardman thinks about the Summit16:30
lcukthats quite a reasonable date for most people16:31
lcuklardman, book it in now before any other confs sneak up on you16:32
lardmannah there's just one that I go to every year, and always at the same sort of time16:34
lardmanI had to skivve off early last year to come to the summit iirc16:35
lcukat least you didnt have to walk/swim/train/bike it to the summit like jaffa did16:35
* lcuk vanishes again, cya later simon16:36
lardmanbye lcuk16:36
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GeneralAntillesMmm breakfast burritos16:47
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bergwolfflorian, ping17:14
florianhi bergwolf17:16
bergwolfhi, florian17:16
bergwolfdid you read my gsoc proposal?17:16
* florian hasn't managed to read any proposal17:17
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bergwolfplease review it when you have time17:18
VDVsxbergwolf, you should have at least one comment in the system :P17:18
* bergwolf hopes to see comments from his mentor :)17:18
bergwolfVDVsx, yes, I had one from Valerio17:19
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rkirtibergwolf, VDVsx is Valerio :)17:21
bergwolfrkirti, VDVsx, wow...17:22
bergwolfrkirti, I should try whois VDVsx :)17:23
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bergwolfVDVsx, thanks for your comments. They are very encouraging :)17:23
VDVsxbergwolf, don't worry the bad ones will come too :)17:25
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* rmt_ sighs.17:26
bergwolfVDVsx, I hope they come early, so that I would have time to revise the proposal :)17:26
rmt_Hiya all. Just did a hard reboot of the N810 .. doesn't seem to get past the nokia boot process.. line goes from left to right, then nothing.17:27
rmt_Is there a way to get more info from it?17:27
qwerty12Have bootmenu installed?17:27
rmt_(not that I know of)17:28
rmt_Just latest updates via apt.17:28
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rmt_The silence is killing me17:35
Stskeepsrmt_: not really without bootmenu :P17:36
rmt_I guess flashing is the typical option..17:37
Stskeepsyeah, and then as first thing install bootmenu with usb telnetd :P17:38
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vidrilocoHi everyone17:40
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rmt_Is usb telnetd running by default?17:41
rmt_If I connect usb to it, what happens?17:41
qwerty12Only if you have bootmenu installed and even then you activate it from the bootmenu17:41
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qwerty12If you connect the USB cable for the first two seconds, it'll go into flash mode. 2 seconds after that; nothing.17:42
qwerty12Except ke-recv won't activate swap during bootup or something17:43
X-Fadeqwerty12: Ah, there he is ;)17:43
keesjVDVsx: looks good17:44
X-Fadeqwerty12: Somehow your webkit package is just killing the builder..17:44
qwerty12X-Fade, *grin*, I was going to ask you to kill the webkit builds but it looks like it doesn't need to be done anymore...17:44
X-Fadekeesj: Yes, one thing I wonder about is if they have great wifi.17:44
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qwerty12Yeah, not going to bother uploading again.17:44
JaffaHmm. It seems that maemo-community doesn't like having lots of people receiving the message; but *I* don't like sending a message which require people's action to just a mailing list.17:44
X-Fadeqwerty12: It is weird, there are a massive amounts of threads running.17:45
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keesjFelix has the wifi and such17:45
qwerty12X-Fade, what's more weird is that maemo1 built for ARMEL but failed on i386 but maemo2 with armel only fails to build :)17:45
X-Fadeqwerty12: It looks like gcc got killed or died.17:46
keesjJaffa: I canceled it anyway17:46
X-Fadeqwerty12: In that build.17:46
qwerty12No idea why, I never touched the code - just the debian folder and any flags sent to GCC remained the same17:46
Jaffakeesj: I was talking about one I've just sent ;-)17:47
qwerty12Although, it doesn't help that it won't read the parallel deb_build_option properly17:47
VDVsxkeesj, I think lcuk or Jaffa been there in a IBM event17:47
* Jaffa was at a place in Amstelveen for an IBM event17:47
VDVsxkeesj, I only see it from the outside17:47
JaffaI think it was Griffioen as well17:48
aquatixit's a rather nice place17:48
aquatixi think it has campusnet wifi?17:48
VDVsxJaffa, yup is the same place, by the photo that you sent to the ML17:49
X-Fadeaquatix: As long as it can handle about 600 devices ;)17:49
* VDVsx gonna ask friends about campus wifi17:51
lcukVDVsx, ive only ever been to amsterdam once and i was trapped in the airport unable to smoke :'(17:53
VDVsxlcuk, heheh, you only can smoke pot in Amsterdam :P17:54
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lcukVDVsx, i only wanted to smoke normal tobacco, i could see people out of the window smoking and i couldnt17:58
lcukfrance cdg airport was better, i managed to run outside along the concourse thing and smoke whilst getting to my gate17:59
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VDVsxlcuk, well, smoking is bad for you, you have to quit :P18:03
VDVsxand will avoid problems at airports also :)18:03
RST38h01/03/1987: SCP-069's study reaches a breakthrough; hypertext markup language created. Object is swiftly confiscated by SCP-team #??.18:03
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VDVsxkeesj, I already requested info about the Vrije venue, I will have more info soon (and probably photos :P)18:11
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rmt_Ok, reflashed.. it's coming up..18:30
rmt_So, bootmenu, you say.18:30
lardmanwhere should I find the barcode GSoC project description?18:30
lardmanatv: ping, you wanted to talk18:31
Myrttilardman: that would intrest me as well18:31
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VDVsxlardman, did you sign in as mentor already ?18:32
lardmanVDVsx: no, how does one do so, and also I'm very busy atm18:32
VDVsxlardman, I sent mail instructions :P18:33
mikkov_ is the autobuilder back in business?18:33
lardmanVDVsx: when?18:34
VDVsxlardman, 20 march18:35
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VDVsxlardman, if you can't found those, talk to me in pm18:35
lardmanI certainly didn't see anything on 20th March, will pm18:37
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mikkov_qwerty12: webkit-maemo2 didn't work because of "make -j" without an argument doesn't limit the number of jobs18:37
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qwerty12mikkov_, yeah, thanks, I found that out locally. The reason it doesn't have an argument is that the number isn't getting substituted from the deb_build_options properly. It works if DEB_BUILD_OPTIONS="parallel=4" but if it's DEB_BUILD_OPTIONS="vfp,parallel=4" for example, it messes up18:39
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qwerty12I ended up hardcoding it but I don't plan on uploading it again, it's unfair to f*ck things up for everyone else18:39
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mikkov_there is one webkit in build queue :)18:43
qwerty12Bollocks >.<. X-Fade, mind killing that? :)18:43
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mikkov_but if it's working for armel you should upload it18:44
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qwerty12Maybe sometime later, I've exhausted the poor builder for long enough now :)18:44
qwerty12Also, that build will fail too :)18:44
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mikkov_-maemo1 with only armel arch should work?18:45
lcukqwerty ive still got some popcorn left, carry on killing the server, we might actually see x-fade start to physically vent steam18:46
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qwerty12mikkov_, Should do, maemo2 was only armel and all my changes were to that version were: so I have no idea why it failed18:47
qwerty12Although, in hindsight, I can say that I didn't fix the parallel option :)18:48
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mikkov_maemo1 doesn't have make -j18:50
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qwerty12ah :), does it have a negative effect if it has no number as an argument?18:51
GeneralAntillesqwerty12, bringing the fail since 200718:52
lizardoqwerty12: from the man page: "If the -j option is given without an argument, make will not limit the number of jobs that can run simultaneously."18:53
Stskeeps <- ah, so that's what liasons do18:53
qwerty12lizardo, oh shit, no wonder... Thanks18:54
lizardobasically it would me a make bomb for some complex code hehe18:54
lizardome -> mean18:54
Stskeepswho decided "make -j" was a good idea? :P18:54
rmt_Okay.. all lost.. although I think my ext3 partition survived, but isn't mounted.18:54
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qwerty12mikkov_, after doing proper testing, I'll upload maemo3 sometime when the autobuilder seems dead :)18:57
mikkov_qwerty12: " If the18:57
mikkov_            -j option is given without an argument, make will not limit the number of jobs that can run simultaneously."18:57
mikkov_man make18:58
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andrei1089hello, is there someone to talk about gsoc projects ?19:48
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lfelipeandrei1089: what exactly would you like to talk about ?19:49
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andrei1089i'm interested in writting a plugin for canola19:50
andrei1089a torrent plugin or one for picasa19:51
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andrei1089for the torrent plugin.. it's ok to use an existing library like bittornado ?19:51
andrei1089it's under mit license19:52
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lfelipenot only it's ok, it's expected19:54
lfelipeonly 3 months would be too short if you needed to write the protocol implementation as well19:54
lfelipebittornado has python bindings for the library ?19:54
qwerty12BitTornado is in Python iirc19:55
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lfelipeandrei1089: have you checked out canola's source code, ran it on your computer and everything ?19:57
andrei1089i have one problem a haven't manage to solve19:57
andrei1089i tried the edje_viewer19:58
andrei1089but it's not showing anything on my computer19:58
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lfelipeandrei1089: I'm almost sure that it's broken19:59
lfelipetry edje_editor19:59
lfelipeshould work19:59
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andrei1089guess i'll have to install e17 to compile edje_editor, right ?20:04
lfelipenot sure on what it depends, but if you already have canola running, shouldn't take too much more20:07
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olividel:~$ mediaplayer-ui20:12
oliSegmentation fault20:12
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oliwhat's wrong? :o20:12
GeneralAntillesThere's a fault in the segmentation.20:14
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oliGeneralAntilles: thank you, captain obvious ;)20:15
Stskeepsit's general, mister.20:15
GeneralAntillesGenerally Obvious20:15
lcuki thought he was demoted :D20:16
oliwhatever... i hadn't done anything risky/stupid on my maemo, and today morning i couldn't run media player...20:16
GeneralAntillesDemoted from Grand Marshal20:16
GeneralAntillesJaffa's the evil emperor now.20:16
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GeneralAntillesHi, timelE61i.20:17
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GAN8001Something aint right with the universe.20:23
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lcukglitch in the matrix?20:24
GAN800At this rate I wouldn't be surprise if the next tablets are announced tomorrow running Windows Mobile and iPhone OS.20:24
GAN800Cable's out now.20:24
qwerty12lcuk, you mean Neo died for no reason? :P20:24
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lcukGAN800, jake said he will record postman pat for you, he knows you dont like to miss it20:25
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lcuklol qwerty1220:25
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GAN800Sirens. I can only imagine what for.20:27
GAN800lcuk, is that like Bob the Builder?20:27
Stskeepscable not working at police station20:27
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lcukyeah GAN800 but hes a postman20:28
lcukbut you know that of course20:28
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GAN800lcuk, sounds epic.20:28
Stskeepspostman pat is most excellent20:28
lcukpostman pat rocks!20:29
lcukhes got a little black and white cat as well20:29
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plastunDoes anybody try to write GUI using EFL-library?20:34
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lcukplastun, i thought canola had already written a UI in efl20:34
plastunyes, but You?20:35
lcukno, i'm hardcore, i wrote my gui and graphics library from bare binary20:35
plastuna loking for GUI library, which is better for maemo and Finger20:35
lcuk :)20:36
qwerty12Oh, not teletubbies.20:36
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plastunDoes this library have Python-bindings?20:37
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lcukplastun, no20:38
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lcukwhy do you need to make your own ui anyway, cant you use gtk or qt and just make big buttons ;)20:39
lcukkhertan does very good work - in python - with gtk :)20:39
lcukhiya lopz20:39
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plastunis it beautiful?20:40
plastunlcuk, how do you find Canola UI?20:40
plastunit;s not just big buttons20:40
lcuki go to app manager and search for "canola"20:40
plastunsorry for my eng. it's not my native language20:41
VDVsxplastun, bluemaemo is EFL too20:41
lcukof course i know its not big buttons20:41
plastunfor example20:41
lcukbut big buttons work well on this type of touch screen20:41
plastuni have HScroll in gtk20:41
plastunhow can i increase height of this control?20:42
* plastun install bluemaemo20:43
* plastun hostel120:44
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andrei1089lfelipe: can i submit two applications, one for the torrent and one for the picasa plugin, i can't decide which would be more useful for the community21:03
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lfelipeandrei1089: you can submit up to 20 applications I think21:03
lfelipe(not saying you should, just saying it's possible)21:03
lfelipedefinitely send both applications, but try to be as detailed as possible in both of them21:04
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lfelipe(detailed implementation proposal, mock-ups, possible features, etc.)21:04
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andrei1089i guess it's ok if i don't have an n810 and i ask the community from time to time to test the plugin on a real device..21:06
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lfelipeandrei1089: perfectly fine21:08
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lfelipe+ canola runs on the desktop just fine :)21:08
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lfelipeand your mentor will most likely also have access to one21:08
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vidrilocoanyone knows if there is a mailing list or a group for the GSoC 2009 projects ideas?21:12
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VDVsxvidriloco, you can talk about that here or on the maemo-devel ML21:16
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vidrilocook, thanks VDVsx21:16
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andrei1089lfelipe: is there going to be any test or students will chosen only by their proposals ?21:21
lfelipeandrei1089: they will be chosen by proposals, but if you send patches we'll definitely take that into consideration21:22
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lfelipeandrei1089: if you want to talk about possible things you can take a look at, join #canola21:23
lfelipeantognolli and glima (both are there) are also mentoring projects canola-related21:23
lfelipeand etrunko I believe is too21:23
* etrunko raises from the grave21:24
etrunkoquick look at backlog21:24
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etrunkolfelipe, andrei1089: oh yeah, i'm willing to mentor21:26
* GeneralAntilles shoots zombie etrunko in the head.21:26
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* timelE61i grumbles21:28
timelE61igan: did we mention that dvrs in finland aren't dst safe?21:29
vidrilocoI am new to the maemo community and would like to work on the "Improve Xournal" or "Implement Internet Storage client" ideas21:29
* timelE61i frowns21:30
vidrilocowhich one is best suited for a newbie? I am proficient in C and have some knowledge of GTK+, however would like to know what another considerations will you take into account for selecting an student21:31
GeneralAntillestimelE61i, who uses DVRs?21:31
timelE61isp3000 does21:32
timelE61iSo do i21:32
timelE61ibasically a cross between a tivo and a vcr from  198621:33
timelE61iBig disk, incredible dumb functionality21:33
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Stskeepsqwerty12_N800: OSS?21:35
qwerty12_N800Stskeeps: yes21:35
GeneralAntillestimelE61i, DVR for Mac21:36
Stskeepsqwerty12_N800: ooh. want for Mer :P21:36
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qwerty12_N800would be cool :)21:36
timelE61idoes it support 10.3.9?21:36
timelE61iAnd .fi21:36
GeneralAntillestimelE61i, http://www.elgato.com21:36
GeneralAntillesWell, the original came out in 200121:37
GeneralAntillesSo, yes.21:37
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GeneralAntillesEyeTV 2 should support Jaguar, but EyeTV 4 doesn't21:38
Stskeepsqwerty12_N800: i'll give you a cookie if you package it21:38
GeneralAntillesReally, though, it's time to bite the bullet and upgrade. ;)21:38
qwerty12_N800Stskeeps: it uses a modified libhildonfm21:39
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Stskeepsqwerty12_N800: just for CODA i think21:39
qwerty12_N800ah, just the file manager?21:40
timelE61iFirst i have to fix my' mbp and do my taxes21:40
qwerty12_N800Stskeeps: That can be done by me sometime soon21:40
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timelE61iiNternet storage client = fuse + sample fuse app + protocol ?21:41
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timelE61ivIdriloco: i'd probably pick xournal21:42
timelE61iA storage client has a large up front barrier21:43
timelE61iIf you don't reach that, you have nothing to show21:43
vidrilocoyes, that's what I was thinking, however the storage client looks interesting too21:44
timelE61iXournal should have a number of individual deliverables21:44
vidrilocobut, well, dropbox provides the infrastructure for linux, I have reviewed the code21:44
* timelE61i shrugs21:45
vidrilocohowever I had not in mind to use it, I was planning to give storage agnostic support21:45
timelE61iArbitrary storage host?21:45
vidrilocoyes, that you could use dropbox or or any other with no major problem21:46
timelE61iPersonally, having seen the disaster that was gnome-vfs21:46
lcukthanks guys, i thought for a minute a miracle had happened21:46
lcuki was cleaning my screen and was on an upstroke when it moved21:47
timelE61ii'd run away from anything related21:47
* lcuk is gonna have to get himself an asus eee top :)21:47
vidrilocoI will consider your suggestion, perphaps is better the Xournal idea and provide the handwritting detection using HRE21:48
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timelE61iOur ui iirc has hard coded drive concepts21:48
vidrilocoyes, it's a C library that would fit our needs21:49
timelE61ioh, as a general plea...21:49
timelE61iPlease be careful about using "we" and "our"21:49
lcukvidriloco, thats an interesting library - it might fit in with what im doing :)21:50
timelE61iIn a conversation w/ me, i'm part of your first person plural21:50
timelE61iBut you don't know my needs21:50
vidrilocoyes, it provides an API so it can be plugged to the application21:50
lcukive already got an application and it already does stroke hashing21:50
vidrilocook timelE61i21:51
vidrilocoI understand21:51
lcukand i write an awful lot, it would be nice to search it :)21:51
timelE61ifwiw, it could be worse, usually people use "royal we"21:51
timelE61i- which is truly irksome21:52
lcukvidriloco, speak with astorm if you can catch him21:52
lcukhes doing hwr for something or other21:52
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vidrilocoppff, yes, I imagine timeIE61i21:52
vidrilocook, thanks lcuk21:53
vidrilocoIs there support for handwritting recognition on maemo diablo?21:53
timelE61iIt's licensed from someone21:54
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GeneralAntillesWe care not what you think, timelE61i.21:54
vidrilocooh, ok, so perhaps Xournal could benefit from it21:54
timelE61iPlease don't go anywhere near it21:54
vidrilocoIs it broken?21:55
timelE61iIt isn't OSS21:55
lcukvidriloco, that hre library is ported to the 2.2 kernel21:55
lcukwont that be a problem?21:55
vidrilocoyes, it's a little bit old. Maemo uses 2.6 right?21:56
timelE61igan: fwiw, nokia's pc suite made usb teathering on my xp laptop just work :)21:56
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infobottimelE61i meant: gan: fwiw, nokia's pc suite made usb tethering on my xp laptop just work :)21:57
vidrilocoppff, and also glibc can be a problem21:58
vidrilocoMaemo also21:58
vidrilocouses different versions of toolchains (GCC, glibc[19] etc.) from the start guide21:58
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lcukvidriloco, if you follow through and get it ported to maemo would you send me a mail22:00
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vidrilocothe HRE library?22:01
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vidrilocoyes, but which is your email?22:01
lcukits  heres what im working on:
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vidrilocook lcuk22:05
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vidrilocogreat work. Is it part of maemo diablo or will it be part of maemo fremantle?22:08
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lcukvidriloco, its working now in diablo, obviously the experience will improve on newer hardware, but its already tasty enough working with what we have now :)22:10
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VDVsxvidriloco, I think it will run, even in a toaster with X11, :p22:11
vidrilocoso, it's very lightweight22:11
vidrilocois it written on c?22:11
lcukvidriloco, yes its designed from the ground up to be completely fluid and workable on maemo, its a bit of a tricky mare at the moment, but its being chiselled into a nice little library :)22:12
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vidrilocowow, so let me see if i get it right. Is an alternative for hildon?22:13
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lcukno, its an app i built this last year to do what i expected a touch screen device to do22:14
rmtOkay.. the N810 is back up to scratch.. must just remember to backup for future reference. Lost installed package configuration and a couple of contacts.. everything else in tact ;-)22:14
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vidrilocohey, yes, I have seen the overview #3 and now I understand22:19
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vidrilocoand what are the plans for it?22:21
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vidrilocolcuk: I was thinking that it could replace hildon, or at least improve it, the only problem would be that it could break the applications using gtk+ or work would need to be done for keeping them happy22:27
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vidrilocolcuk: what are your plans for the work you have been doing on liqbase?22:28
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lcukvidriloco, i have a number of small applications which are already being converted to use the new library, i have a small group of friends and a potential gsoc candidate who are assisting me in this, then im gonna sit back and make lots of cool little things :)22:36
MikaTGood evening (UTC+3).....22:36
MikaTCould you tell me, what is a good way to make a distinction between two versions of Maemo SDK in scripts?22:37
RST38hHurrah! The new Sigmatel board boots!22:37
lcukdunno MikaT i work on the device itself22:37
lcuk!! rst22:37
MikaTlcuk: Ok, well is there some way to do that in device?22:38
lcuki wouldnt have the foggiest22:39
MikaTRoger that :)22:39
vidrilocolcuk: that's great. I hope I can be working on maemo during this summer and be part of the community. Anyway, I will let you know about the HRE library22:39
lcukcool thx :)22:39
qwerty12_N800MikaT: on device, you can look at /etc/osso_software_version22:40
MikaTqwerty12_N800: Ok, thanks. I wonder why there is no such thing as lsb_release in Maemo.22:41
MikaTqwerty12_N800: Hold on, this might be a way in SDK too....22:41
qwerty12_N800MikaT: yeah... there's a bug open for lsb_release. maybe in Fremantle22:41
MikaTqwerty12_N800: Yup, that seems to be working on SDK too. Complex strings, but I can parse some pattern from there. Thanks a lot!22:43
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RST38h"When site TechFlash called, apparently De Long said she had signed an NDA restricting her from speaking about her experiences with the HP laptop."22:44
RST38hCan you imagine what horror it must have been to require a gag order?22:44
glasserm whats that in relation with22:44
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RST38hglass: Microsoft has given a free $1000 laptop to some gal on TV22:46
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glassbut put a gag order to not talk about it?22:46
RST38hglass: It has later been found she is an LA-based actress who applied for a jb with them22:46
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RST38hglass: Yea22:46
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glassso eh22:50
glassteh failboat then22:50
glassthey could've picked some random teenager and quite probably she would've been a windows user22:51
RST38hteenagers ain't cheerful enough, professional cheerleaders beat 'e, hands down22:51
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GeneralAntillesSomebody in Maemo SW want to poke Marcell into updating
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lbtn810 is £170 at FWIW :)23:56
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