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| rohananil | hey all :) | 01:33 |
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| rohananil | i am interested in the Improve Xournal project | 01:33 |
| rohananil | and adding handwriting recognition to it :) | 01:33 |
| rohananil | are there any mentors around :) (i know its a sunday ) | 01:34 |
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| VDVsx | rohananil, the mentor for this project should be anidel, but he is not here right now, I guess | 01:36 |
| rohananil | VDVsx: thanks , could you tell me what time is he around usually ? :) | 01:36 |
| VDVsx | rohananil, probably during the working hours (UTC time) | 01:38 |
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| rohananil | ok thank you again :) | 01:39 |
| rohananil | i have one more question , the opencv svn ,porting to maemo and testing , would require the student to have a tablet ? :) | 01:39 |
| rohananil | oh yeah its written there itself :) | 01:40 |
| VDVsx | rohananil, yup | 01:41 |
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| derkaiser | hi,all~ | 05:52 |
| Shasie | Hi derkaiser | 05:56 |
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| jaem_ | hey folks | 07:32 |
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| jaem_ | are there any parts of the Bluetooth framework on Maemo that are closed source? | 07:57 |
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| gsoc | hi frendz | 09:12 |
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| jaem_ | hello | 09:13 |
| RST38h | moo all | 09:15 |
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| gsoc | is frethop around ? | 09:15 |
| gsoc | can somebudy help me reagrding gsoc project "bluetooth audio speaker" | 09:17 |
| RST38h | you probably want lardman | 09:18 |
| pundiramit | hi i'm trying out maemo5-alpha sdk on ubuntu-8.10 but i'm not able to install nokia-binaries.. http://maemo.pastebin.com/m3ed75876 what could i be doing wrong here? | 09:19 |
| gsoc | RST38h: is he around ? | 09:19 |
| RST38h | care to do /whois lardman ? | 09:21 |
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| jaem | hey qwerty12 | 09:28 |
| qwerty12 | hi jaem | 09:28 |
| * jaem is reading through bluetooth specs, and is annoyed at the lack of docs on bluez | 09:29 | |
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| gsoc | ifelipe: will u plz help me with gsoc project "implmnt bluetooth speaker support" ? | 09:37 |
| gsoc | lfelipe: will u plz help me with gsoc project "implmnt bluetooth speaker support" ? | 09:37 |
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| gsoc | is lfelipe around ? | 09:44 |
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| timelE61i | sp3000: ping | 10:00 |
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| L0cutus | re | 10:02 |
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| aquatix | morning all | 10:25 |
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| Jaffa | Morning, al | 10:44 |
| Jaffa | l | 10:44 |
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| Stskeeps | morning | 10:46 |
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| b0unc3 | good morning | 10:54 |
| GeneralAntilles | Man, not having fans blaring all night leads to some quality shut eye | 10:54 |
| Stskeeps | yeah, i did away with 24/7 machines in my apartment some years ago | 10:54 |
| Stskeeps | improved my sleeping immensely | 10:54 |
| GeneralAntilles | Waking up to more itT insanity puts a dampener on it, though. | 10:56 |
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| eichi | hello | 10:56 |
| eichi | is there no pidgin update for maemo? | 10:56 |
| GeneralAntilles | It disturbs me greatly that so many people could have it so _wrong_ | 10:57 |
| eichi | cant use it anymore for icq | 10:57 |
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| Macer | anybody here know of a linux NAS distro | 11:13 |
| Macer | like freenas? | 11:13 |
| Stskeeps | openfiler | 11:14 |
| Macer | hm.. Stskeeps is it any good? | 11:16 |
| GeneralAntilles | Ah, NOW the Mini decides to boot. | 11:16 |
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| Macer | Stskeeps: i will be happy if it can use my 8TB to its fullest | 11:18 |
| Macer | esxi is running like shit. i put in an intel server nic and am getting 7MB/s over a gbit nework | 11:19 |
| Stskeeps | GeneralAntilles: no explosions yet? | 11:19 |
| Stskeeps | Macer: no clue. i use nexenta | 11:19 |
| GeneralAntilles | Stskeeps, well, they may have been, but I just haven't noticed yet | 11:20 |
| Macer | Stskeeps: wow.. that looks pretty badass | 11:22 |
| GeneralAntilles | Hum, E71x for $99 | 11:22 |
| Macer | gnu opensolaris? :) | 11:22 |
| Stskeeps | yeah | 11:22 |
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| Macer | would i be lost in the sauce trying to use it? | 11:23 |
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| Macer | i doubt it would even support my areca raid | 11:23 |
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| Macer | Stskeeps: you actually use that as your OS on your box? | 11:26 |
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| Macer | i will try openfiler first.. that does look very interesting though Stskeeps | 11:30 |
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| lcuk | morning \o | 11:32 |
| Myrtti | mrh | 11:33 |
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| lcuk | Myrtti, its monday mornin you have to speak a real language :P | 11:47 |
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| aquatix | lcuk: i guess we need to apply more coffee/strong tea to Myrtti first ;) | 11:49 |
| Myrtti | painkillers. | 11:49 |
| Myrtti | I'm slowly starting to think that if I stabbed my bum with a kitchen knife, the pain would probably be smaller and less constant that without stabbing it | 11:50 |
| Myrtti | fscking piriformis/sciatica | 11:50 |
| lcuk | :( Myrtti | 11:51 |
| lcuk | aquatix, if we applied strong coffee to myrttis sore area Im sure we would be in serious trouble as soon as she can move again | 11:51 |
| lcuk | infact, now might be our only chance :D | 11:51 |
| lcuk | Myrtti, take this as a sign you need a trip to ikea for a better comfortable chair | 11:52 |
| aquatix | ouch, indeed ;) | 11:52 |
| aquatix | Myrtti: is it chronic with you? | 11:53 |
| * aquatix has similar backpains now and then | 11:53 | |
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| Myrtti | aquatix: yes, for year and a half now | 11:53 |
| aquatix | but that's mostly when i forget my posture | 11:53 |
| aquatix | Myrtti: :( | 11:54 |
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| lcuk | i did my back no favours years ago - i "rescued" my son from a climbing frame, then jumped down with him in my arms | 11:54 |
| lcuk | not far, but enough to compress it all :'( | 11:54 |
| * lcuk still regrets that decision | 11:54 | |
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| Myrtti | all I did was to do leg press excercise with a bad back | 11:54 |
| lcuk | :( | 11:55 |
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| Myrtti | lost my right foot for four months and limped for six | 11:55 |
| aquatix | ouch :/ | 11:55 |
| Myrtti | on the good side | 11:55 |
| Myrtti | epilating my right leg is quite fun since I can't feel the outer side of it | 11:56 |
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| Myrtti | and I can feel my toes nowadays | 11:56 |
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| X-Fade | Sweet, an Antonov just passed over my house at a few 100m ;) | 12:02 |
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| GeneralAntilles | Fun | 12:02 |
| X-Fade | Always fun to see the massive row of tires. | 12:03 |
| GeneralAntilles | I grew up under a flight path for the local municipal airport | 12:05 |
| GeneralAntilles | I miss the sound of Cessnas flying over all day. | 12:05 |
| X-Fade | Well we don't see them that much. There is this military airport where it lands, which is about 10KM from here.. | 12:06 |
| X-Fade | Probably dropping off 3 apaches returning from Afganistan. | 12:06 |
| GeneralAntilles | Yeah, had the military airport, too (MacDill) which brought out the F-16s, and the Blackhawks, plus the Coast Guard station and the international airport . . . lots of airtraffic come to think of it. | 12:07 |
| lcuk | x-fade, get your remote out and try to take control | 12:09 |
| GeneralAntilles | s/remote/N810/ ? ;) | 12:10 |
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| lcuk | o_O not a bad idea gen | 12:10 |
| lcuk | could use it for store and replay aerobatics | 12:10 |
| GeneralAntilles | Ha | 12:10 |
| lcuk | needs multitouch or a decent dpad tho ;) | 12:10 |
| GeneralAntilles | lcuk's going to try to fly his $1500 gas-powered RC chopper with his N810 now | 12:11 |
| lcuk | using ad-hoc | 12:11 |
| GeneralAntilles | and will instantly crash it upsidedown into the grass. | 12:11 |
| lcuk | have you seen ppl flying upsidedown doing grasscutting with RC helis? | 12:11 |
| X-Fade | GeneralAntilles: Well, with a 3-axis gyro which is supposed to be in RX-51. ;) | 12:12 |
| X-Fade | lcuk: Yep, I have seen that. | 12:12 |
| GeneralAntilles | Hehe | 12:12 |
| GeneralAntilles | Yeah, there's a local RC club that meets up in a giant field in north county | 12:12 |
| GeneralAntilles | I've even flown one for a bit. ;) | 12:12 |
| lcuk | why anyone would want to come so close to smashing up 100/0's of poundso f equipment i dunno | 12:13 |
| lcuk | "mayday, mayday" | 12:13 |
| GeneralAntilles | lcuk, ever seen stunt pilots fly real choppers? :P | 12:13 |
| X-Fade | lcuk: Bladescrapes on the pavement are also the thing to do ;) | 12:13 |
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| X-Fade | Like this: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_QsFXa0PiRA | 12:14 |
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| X-Fade | http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=A1-3w8TaNmk | 12:16 |
| GeneralAntilles | I wonder whether AT&T is going to charge for the more expensive data plan for the E71x | 12:16 |
| timelE61i | Anyone here understand ldap? | 12:16 |
| GeneralAntilles | and whether I care since I'm going to have to pay it anyway with the RX-51 | 12:17 |
| aquatix | hm, data plan with the rx-51? | 12:19 |
| * aquatix just wants a tablet with no strings attached | 12:19 | |
| lbt | scissors? | 12:20 |
| GeneralAntilles | aquatix, well, I want data, some I'm going to need to pay for it | 12:20 |
| Myrtti | ah blisssssssss the painkillers work | 12:20 |
| GeneralAntilles | just because the option is there doesn't mean you need to use it. | 12:20 |
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| aquatix | Myrtti: \o/ | 12:21 |
| aquatix | GeneralAntilles: true | 12:21 |
| aquatix | GeneralAntilles: just hope it's an option :) | 12:21 |
| aquatix | otoh, flatfee 3G... | 12:22 |
| GeneralAntilles | aquatix, there's no way they'll require some sort of contract. | 12:22 |
| aquatix | but that'll take a while before it's here | 12:22 |
| aquatix | (rx-51 that is) | 12:22 |
| X-Fade | aquatix: Although maybe you can get an rx-51 with a plan for cheap ;) | 12:22 |
| aquatix | X-Fade: maybe, but then i'll have to wait till the official release | 12:23 |
| aquatix | got my n810 in the US | 12:23 |
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| GeneralAntilles | You gotta be kidding me | 12:31 |
| GeneralAntilles | another damn power outage | 12:31 |
| X-Fade | GeneralAntilles: Get a diesel generator ;) | 12:32 |
| GeneralAntilles | X-Fade, hehe, then suffocate myself on carbonmonoxide? | 12:32 |
| X-Fade | I didn't say you need to put it in the same room ;) | 12:33 |
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| GeneralAntilles | X-Fade, small apartment, 3rd floor. | 12:33 |
| X-Fade | GeneralAntilles: Hang it over the balcony? :) | 12:33 |
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| X-Fade | Or attached to the outside wall just like AC units.. | 12:34 |
| GeneralAntilles | No balcony. :P | 12:34 |
| GeneralAntilles | Nice, looks like we only lost a phase, though. | 12:34 |
| GeneralAntilles | Power's still on in the bedroom. | 12:34 |
| aquatix | lunch! | 12:35 |
| timelE61i | yEs! | 12:35 |
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| svu_ | hi alterego | 12:40 |
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| VDVsx | morning, all | 12:44 |
| rohananil | hey ya | 12:45 |
| rohananil | morning VDVsx | 12:45 |
| Stskeeps | morning VDVsx | 12:46 |
| VDVsx | Stskeeps, we have mer already ? :p | 12:47 |
| Stskeeps | uploading the testing images atm | 12:47 |
| * VDVsx want to test mer 0.11 | 12:48 | |
| rohananil | hey is anidel around ? :) | 12:48 |
| VDVsx | ~seen anidel | 12:49 |
| infobot | anidel <n=anidel@host86-144-8-225.range86-144.btcentralplus.com> was last seen on IRC in channel #maemo, 19d 11h 15m 52s ago, saying: 'b-man will do'. | 12:49 |
| rohananil | ohh :) | 12:49 |
| rohananil | ill mail him probably :) | 12:50 |
| VDVsx | better e-mail him, I think:p | 12:50 |
| rohananil | thanks :P | 12:50 |
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| whm | hi. should gcov work without problems in scratchbox? | 13:10 |
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| derkaiser | hi, all, I want to invite you to visit my gsoc application site:http://sites.google.com/site/derkaisersfunnygsoclife/. And please feel free to give comments on my proposal, 3x~ | 13:20 |
| derkaiser | http://sites.google.com/site/derkaisersfunnygsoclife/ | 13:21 |
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| Stskeeps | derkaiser: hint: s/Mameo/Maemo/ | 13:22 |
| Stskeeps | :P | 13:22 |
| timelE61i | heh | 13:24 |
| timelE61i | Is your named spelled right ;? | 13:24 |
| Stskeeps | and of personal interest - you mention a paper, where was it published, since i have difficulties finding it in journals | 13:25 |
| derkaiser | yes, because it is still in submission~ | 13:25 |
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| lcuk | gah! i wrote a v small program to do a small but tricky job sometime in the last 4 years. its gone missing! | 13:25 |
| derkaiser | and 3x for your suggestions,:) | 13:25 |
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| Stskeeps | fair enough | 13:26 |
| florian | good morning | 13:26 |
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| derkaiser | oh, it is afternoon here, beijing:) | 13:26 |
| florian | derkaiser: I guessw e have UGT here anyway :-) | 13:27 |
| timelE61i | Fwiw, the first sentence w/ your name is wrong | 13:27 |
| timelE61i | My name is ... As a something <what> | 13:28 |
| timelE61i | as requires more from a sentence | 13:28 |
| timelE61i | You might have meant to write "i am" instead | 13:28 |
| derkaiser | oh, it seems I modified so many times and still leave some errors there~3x, timelE61i:) | 13:29 |
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| timelE61i | Quotation marks should be around the thing they quote:,like "this quote" | 13:30 |
| * Stskeeps notes it's notoriously difficult to put back a key on a keyboard when you're either 1) stoned or 2) have a fever | 13:31 | |
| timelE61i | Btw, what's a plaNtform? Is it some specially shaped leafy thing? | 13:31 |
| Stskeeps | green platforms | 13:31 |
| derkaiser | ok, I will fix those~ 3x | 13:31 |
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| timelE61i | the parenthetical suffers from a few other errors | 13:32 |
| timelE61i | You must not write "may can" | 13:32 |
| timelE61i | And you confused form and from | 13:32 |
| atv | is lfelipe around? | 13:33 |
| derkaiser | yes, it should be maybe but not "may" ~ | 13:33 |
| derkaiser | I'm so careless~~:( | 13:35 |
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| * lcuk curses 17th january 2006 | 13:36 | |
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| florian | lcuk: ?! | 13:44 |
| keesj | kids! | 13:44 |
| Stskeeps | morning keesj | 13:45 |
| keesj | hi | 13:45 |
| lcuk | heh florian, i wrote a simple function to parse through a complete object model and insert a specific function ages ago, i have a v similar problem now and all i can discover is the change log entry, the modified files, but i cant find the damned parser i used | 13:45 |
| GAN800 | Hey, keesj. | 13:45 |
| lcuk | and it all happened on 17jan | 13:45 |
| florian | lcuk: heh | 13:46 |
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| keesj | lcuk is on a different planet talking with different pleople about things WE don't yet understand but that just fine | 13:48 |
| timelE61i | gan? | 13:49 |
| keesj | derkaiser: I looked at the video of what you did with this media streamer. I didn't quite get it | 13:49 |
| timelE61i | Talk me through firewire disk mode? | 13:49 |
| lcuk | keesj, same planet, different language ;) | 13:49 |
| lcuk | or is visual basic not a language :P | 13:49 |
| GAN800 | timelE61i, plug the cable into both computers, turn off the computer you want to be the dumb disk, the turn it back on hold down T. | 13:50 |
| derkaiser | keesj, it's something like a radio which receive the information from the broadcast station. | 13:51 |
| * RST38h uses the occassion to moo at lcuk | 13:51 | |
| lcuk | mornin rst | 13:52 |
| * timelE61i does so (from apple instructions) | 13:52 | |
| derkaiser | because my supervisor ask me not add any audio annotation into the demo vedio, so I think most of people who have not used the system yet can not know what it is,:( | 13:53 |
| * RST38h goes over recent conspiracy threads on itt | 13:53 | |
| * RST38h strokes his crystal balls and cackles satisfied | 13:53 | |
| keesj | lcuk an other language http://www.paste-it.net/raw/public/n74b1a4/ | 13:53 |
| GAN800 | RST38h, maemo.org will eat your family. | 13:53 |
| * keesj looked at the liqbase you yesterday... | 13:54 | |
| RST38h | GAN: You mean, before I do it MYSELF? | 13:54 |
| keesj | it looks like c code to me | 13:54 |
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| RST38h | keesjL this looks like generic C++-like comment block to me | 13:55 |
| atv | hi guys, does bluemaemo suppots HFP ? | 13:55 |
| RST38h | Can belong to any language that supports // comments | 13:55 |
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| * Stskeeps watches mer 0.11testing1 boot | 13:59 | |
| Stskeeps | i so need a new n800. the scrolling is getting worse. | 13:59 |
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| Stskeeps | or need to talk to my brother the electric engineer | 13:59 |
| GAN800 | Stskeeps, go beg a tablet from Nokia. ;) | 14:00 |
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| lcuk | keesj, liqbase is the first app ive written in c since i played on my amiga in the late 90s | 14:01 |
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| lcuk | none of this helps me though cos i still cant find that damned function i need | 14:03 |
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| Stskeeps | right, 0.11testing1 for those that want to test: http://wiki.maemo.org/Mer/Releases/0.11testing1 | 14:05 |
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| Stskeeps | 'lo khertan | 14:09 |
| Khertan | Hello ! | 14:09 |
| GeneralAntilles | Man it's obnoxious when you only remember that somebody has you on ignore after you've typed up a long response to their post. . . . | 14:09 |
| Khertan | x-fade: auto builder seems dead | 14:09 |
| Khertan | 'lo stskeeps | 14:10 |
| X-Fade | Khertan: There is an enormous queue: https://garage.maemo.org/extras-assistant/index.php | 14:11 |
| X-Fade | Let me see what is cooking ;) | 14:11 |
| Khertan | did you think it s a good idea to made a preoloader daemon for mcalendar ? as it s take 12s to be launched nd only 1s with a daemon | 14:12 |
| X-Fade | Khertan: Can you use the python preloading thingy? | 14:12 |
| Khertan | x-fade : a long queue which has not move this since 4 hours | 14:12 |
| lcuk | khertan, have you checked where your startup time comes from? (is that even possible with python?) | 14:13 |
| Khertan | the preloading python-launcher doesn t really improve things ... only 9s with it | 14:13 |
| Khertan | the preloading time come from all import | 14:13 |
| lcuk | would it be possible to "cheat" the user by displaying the ui but using a small cache table in your database showing current weekview or something | 14:13 |
| Khertan | nope as i need to importg hildon and gtk before | 14:14 |
| lcuk | what startup time do you have if you dont open database? | 14:14 |
| lcuk | or is it the hildon and gtk stuff itself | 14:14 |
| Khertan | which take arround 6 or 7s | 14:14 |
| lcuk | ouch | 14:14 |
| Khertan | yep | 14:14 |
| Khertan | as you said ... ouch | 14:14 |
| X-Fade | Khertan: But opening hildon and gtk should be cached by the python-loader ? | 14:15 |
| Khertan | if i do dameon waiting a dbus command just doing the import of gtk | 14:15 |
| Khertan | and hildon | 14:15 |
| Khertan | it takes 1 or 2s | 14:15 |
| Khertan | x-fade: it should ... | 14:15 |
| lcuk | didnt you make mcalendar desktop widget? | 14:16 |
| lcuk | wouldnt that class itself as a preloader ;) | 14:16 |
| Khertan | lcuk: there is one | 14:16 |
| Khertan | it couold be a preloader | 14:16 |
| lcuk | mind you, then you just slow the actual startup time down considerably | 14:17 |
| lcuk | *whole system | 14:17 |
| Khertan | but i m splitted between using more memory | 14:17 |
| Khertan | or speedinhg launch | 14:17 |
| lcuk | its probably academic, but has anyone actually tracked the calls through gtk and hildon and found out what the problem is? | 14:17 |
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| Khertan | i'm back | 14:21 |
| Khertan | with a real connection ... sorry | 14:21 |
| Khertan | the real problem is the gtk and hildon binding | 14:22 |
| Khertan | and making a daemon is one of the answer ... | 14:22 |
| Khertan | but i think that keeping a daemon which do the import use to many memory | 14:23 |
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| Khertan | from what i see my own daemon which replace python-launcher seems more performant :) | 14:23 |
| X-Fade | Khertan: About the builder. Somehow it has a lot that is so high, it doesn't even allow me to login ;) | 14:23 |
| Khertan | maybe i should finalize it ... | 14:23 |
| Khertan | X-Fade: lol | 14:24 |
| GeneralAntilles | X-Fade, that poor 770. . . . | 14:24 |
| X-Fade | GeneralAntilles: Pre-770 proto ;) | 14:24 |
| lcuk | what system monitoring tools are available for linux and maemo specifically, in windows i can use regmon and filemon and the other *mon tools from sysinternals | 14:25 |
| GeneralAntilles | OMAP0 | 14:25 |
| lcuk | Khertan, your replacement, would it work for all python apps or just yours | 14:25 |
| GeneralAntilles | maemo.org, where tablets go to be tortured to death before they die. | 14:25 |
| Khertan | lcuk: at this time just for me ... | 14:25 |
| Stskeeps | Khertan: it preloads gtk+hildon package or? | 14:25 |
| Khertan | lcuk: but it ll be easy to made it available too for other python app | 14:26 |
| VDVsx | atv, no, BlueMaemo implements HID only | 14:26 |
| Khertan | Stskeeps: it preload gtk, hildon and some other python module | 14:26 |
| lcuk | Khertan, have you checked on the python site for updates which might help in this situation - ie could this be cured by default with fremantle/mer? | 14:26 |
| Stskeeps | VDVsx: interesting | 14:26 |
| Stskeeps | err. | 14:26 |
| Stskeeps | Khertan: | 14:26 |
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| Stskeeps | Khertan: so basically the existing python-launcher and making it load gtk+hildon+some others at boot would work too? :P | 14:27 |
| lcuk | VDVsx, id love to tie up your keyboard with a wifi daemon - ive used a remote control from my 810 to windows now for the last year without failure or reconnects | 14:27 |
| Khertan | Stskeeps: don't know ... but it look like that the actual python launcher doesn't do it s works correctly ... | 14:27 |
| Khertan | maybe i should take a look into the code | 14:27 |
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| lcuk | Stskeeps, that sounds like a better fixup | 14:28 |
| lcuk | that would help all | 14:28 |
| atv | VDVsx: that means for gsoc project "Bluetooth speaker support using HFP emulation" we have to implement HFP in bluemaemo? | 14:28 |
| Khertan | yep | 14:29 |
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| lcuk | Stskeeps, Khertan but if the user doesnt run many python desktop apps the extra startup time will go against the stuff users expect - ie if as khertan says its a 5-7 seconds delay, does it help | 14:30 |
| VDVsx | atv, for me, don't make many sense put audio functionalities in a remote controller program...., but just IMHO | 14:31 |
| VDVsx | lcuk, have to think about that :p | 14:31 |
| lcuk | VDVsx, the wiimote has audio features ;) | 14:31 |
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| Khertan | lcuk: it s a daemon launch in background ... so doesn't extends the maemo-launcher startup time ... | 14:31 |
| Khertan | could be launch after | 14:31 |
| VDVsx | lcuk, really ? bips ??, lol | 14:31 |
| lcuk | VDVsx, its got a mic as well ifiak | 14:32 |
| Khertan | as we can't really cache things in maemo launcher as it doesn't threads for applet ... | 14:32 |
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| * VDVsx steals lcuk wii :P | 14:32 | |
| * lcuk sends a golden stream over the internet and grosses the entire channel out | 14:33 | |
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| Khertan | arg ... python-launcher is coded in c ... bouhhhh | 14:38 |
| lcuk | lol khertan | 14:39 |
| lcuk | do you want the apt-get line i use to put all gcc and everything on the device | 14:39 |
| Khertan | nope | 14:40 |
| Khertan | i didn't want to lost my time anymore to do c | 14:41 |
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| lcuk | khertan, then file upstream bugs to the python-launcher people requesting hildon+gtk inclusion | 14:42 |
| X-Fade | Hmm it seems that qwerty's webkit build issued 10s or possibly 100s of parallel builds ;) | 14:42 |
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| Macor | ok | 14:42 |
| Macor | i have come to the conclusion that this centos install is not working | 14:42 |
| lcuk | heh X-Fade nice! we always knew qwerty was capable of working harder than anyone else | 14:42 |
| Macor | looks like i just give up and use debian | 14:42 |
| X-Fade | lcuk: Essentially rocketing the load up to insane numbers. | 14:43 |
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| lcuk | public flogging later? | 14:43 |
| Khertan | lcuk: i mainly think that doing it in python to preload python import will be better and will release my own "python-launcher" but in python and with an other name | 14:44 |
| lcuk | fair enough khertan | 14:44 |
| X-Fade | lcuk: Tar & feathers? | 14:44 |
| Khertan | :) | 14:44 |
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| lcuk | seems reasonable X-Fade, ill get the popcorn | 14:44 |
| Khertan | hum ... real-python-launcher seems to be a good name :) | 14:45 |
| lcuk | ill bbiab anyway | 14:45 |
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| Macor | argh! my fucking usb dvd drive is going to make me lose it | 14:54 |
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| Macor | i keep getting "boot failed | 14:54 |
| Macor | adfkasjflfj!@# | 14:54 |
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| svu_ | alterego ping? | 14:59 |
| Khertan | going back to work ... bye | 14:59 |
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| GeneralAntilles | lol, so apparently they didn't really fix the power line yesterday so much as re-attach it and leave it hanging across the parking lot and several cars | 15:18 |
| GeneralAntilles | The power going out again this morning was the garbage truck driving through it. | 15:18 |
| X-Fade | So glad all our utilities are below ground ;) | 15:19 |
| LinuxCode | only weird countries put utilities above ground | 15:19 |
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| aquatix | X-Fade: heh, indeed | 15:22 |
| GeneralAntilles | LinuxCode, well, you go about 4' down and hit the water table here. | 15:22 |
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| LinuxCode | ahh | 15:28 |
| LinuxCode | ok then I guess you got no choice | 15:28 |
| LinuxCode | I find it weird that here in the Uk the last 20 meters to the house, we have a pole and the phone line is dangled across | 15:28 |
| LinuxCode | idiotic really, thats how the burgulars just cut the damn wires and the alarm is almost useless | 15:29 |
| LinuxCode | if you got a standing connection | 15:29 |
| GeneralAntilles | Underground is also a lot more expensive, and makes less sense in lower population density areas (like most of the US) | 15:29 |
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| GeneralAntilles | Anyway, yeah, Florida's power grid is about 50 years out of date. That's why the Super Best Friends keep sending us hurricanes. ;) | 15:30 |
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| RST38h | Transformers hanging from the eletric poles are scary though | 15:32 |
| RST38h | Like a disaster waiting to happen any moment | 15:32 |
| GeneralAntilles | Meh, I guess it's a matter of perspective. | 15:32 |
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| aquatix | 14:22:26 GeneralAntil | LinuxCode, well, you go about 4' down and hit the water table here. | 15:35 |
| aquatix | hm, here too | 15:35 |
| aquatix | no issues :) | 15:36 |
| GeneralAntilles | aquatix, also factor in the population density. | 15:36 |
| aquatix | that's more an issue | 15:36 |
| * LinuxCode doesnt know what the water table around here even is | 15:36 | |
| aquatix | and the kind of surface | 15:36 |
| aquatix | rock sucks ;) | 15:36 |
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| aquatix | in the netherlands you can dig quite well | 15:36 |
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| LinuxCode | aquatix, you will be able to dig better when the next storm surge happens ;-p | 15:38 |
| lcuk | manchester doesnt have a water table, we float on a sea of boddingtons | 15:38 |
| aquatix | LinuxCode: digging in a layer of water sucks ;) | 15:39 |
| aquatix | lcuk: lol | 15:39 |
| LinuxCode | lcuk, hahaha | 15:39 |
| fauxmight | gan: what part of florida? | 15:40 |
| lcuk | i would hate to see what the water table around cardiff has | 15:40 |
| GeneralAntilles | fauxmight, I bounce between Tallahassee and St. Petersburg | 15:41 |
| lcuk | for nsfw yucky photos of welsh boozers search google for cardiff night out totallycrap | 15:41 |
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| * lcuk never wants to go to wales after seeing those pics | 15:41 | |
| * fauxmight is from Gainesville/Lake City. Living in Oklahoma City at present. | 15:42 | |
| GeneralAntilles | fauxmight, nice area. :P | 15:42 |
| fauxmight | I miss it. | 15:42 |
| GeneralAntilles | I can't deal with Gainesville | 15:42 |
| GeneralAntilles | Way too much UF for my tastes. | 15:43 |
| LinuxCode | lcuk, shut it | 15:43 |
| LinuxCode | lol | 15:43 |
| fauxmight | Perhaps. I'm pretty far away from the college sports scene. :) | 15:43 |
| GeneralAntilles | fauxmight, I like being near water, too. | 15:44 |
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| * Stskeeps is nearby water but doesn't often get to the beach | 15:45 | |
| LinuxCode | lol | 15:46 |
| LinuxCode | jeez some of those pics are indeed bad | 15:46 |
| LinuxCode | I bet most of those people got arrested | 15:46 |
| lcuk | LinuxCode, are you living nearby? | 15:46 |
| LinuxCode | no I dont live in central cardiff | 15:46 |
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| lcuk | well one is resting against a policevan | 15:47 |
| LinuxCode | that doesnt mean much | 15:47 |
| LinuxCode | hehe | 15:47 |
| LinuxCode | probably on patrol | 15:47 |
| LinuxCode | but yeh, there is a distinct problem here | 15:47 |
| LinuxCode | no way to deny that | 15:48 |
| LinuxCode | the police just need to give no warnings | 15:48 |
| LinuxCode | you are drunk and act stupid, you go to the cells for a night | 15:48 |
| LinuxCode | that will clean it up instantly | 15:48 |
| RST38h | What scary place are you talking about? URL? | 15:48 |
| LinuxCode | you talk back to a copper, you go to the cells | 15:48 |
| aquatix | teehee: http://www.youtube.com/watch?hl=en&v=gPIVNqKQsXM&gl=US | 15:48 |
| aquatix | (no, no rickroll, way more funny than that) | 15:49 |
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| LinuxCode | omg no way | 15:49 |
| LinuxCode | bahaha | 15:49 |
| LinuxCode | that looks like Richard | 15:49 |
| * RST38h suggests dividing the place into blocks with barbed wire, then proactively jailing all 14+ yo males in each block for a week | 15:49 | |
| * LinuxCode saves picture | 15:49 | |
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| RST38h | Block by block | 15:49 |
| LinuxCode | RST38h, 14 year olds arent allowed to drink in the UK | 15:50 |
| RST38h | Linux: Doesn't matter, I said proactively =) | 15:50 |
| aquatix | LinuxCode: what picture? | 15:50 |
| LinuxCode | RST38h, problem si coppers are too nice here | 15:51 |
| LinuxCode | they say, go home 4 times | 15:51 |
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| LinuxCode | I used to live in Germany, and trust me, you didnt talk back to the coppers there | 15:51 |
| aquatix | in soviet russia, drunks jail coppers | 15:51 |
| Stskeeps | LinuxCode: german tax/toll officers are nasty. | 15:51 |
| LinuxCode | in soviet russia, drunks pay off corrupt coppers | 15:52 |
| LinuxCode | Stskeeps, haha yeh | 15:52 |
| LinuxCode | Stskeeps, stop not declaring your ciggies then | 15:52 |
| LinuxCode | lol | 15:52 |
| Stskeeps | ah, this was after a trip to .nl | 15:52 |
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| RST38h | Linux: But I guess you can't detain someone just for being drunk | 15:59 |
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| Stskeeps | scary, my firefox (at home) claims i've visited iTT 2483 times | 15:59 |
| LinuxCode | RST38h, ohh yes you can | 16:00 |
| LinuxCode | drunk and disorderly | 16:01 |
| Macer | ok | 16:01 |
| LinuxCode | pissing in the street, falling over yourself, fighting, I would call that enough reasons | 16:01 |
| Macer | this thing has me about to lose my mind | 16:01 |
| Macer | i tried 2 usb cdrom drives | 16:01 |
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| LinuxCode | fact is they havent got enough cells here, thats the real issue | 16:01 |
| Macer | so either the debian netinst iso is messed up.. along with the centos one | 16:01 |
| RST38h | Linux: Pissing, fighting - yes | 16:02 |
| Macer | or there is something wrong with this artigo's usb ports all of a sudden :) | 16:02 |
| RST38h | Linux: Just being drunk - no | 16:02 |
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| * RST38h suddenly recounts that he has last seen a drunk lying on a Moscow street months ago | 16:03 | |
| RST38h | (hobos not included) | 16:03 |
| Macer | ok. if this crap doesn't work i give up | 16:03 |
| LinuxCode | RST38h, I live here and I know coppers in the force | 16:04 |
| LinuxCode | and you can arrest people if they might be a danger to themselves | 16:04 |
| LinuxCode | by being too drunk | 16:04 |
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| LinuxCode | but thats besides the point, fact is they just need to clamp down | 16:05 |
| aquatix | Stskeeps: how do you see those visiting stats? | 16:05 |
| RST38h | Linux: Yea, that probably goes under disorderly conduct | 16:05 |
| LinuxCode | and those pics are def a compilation of the worst I have ever seen | 16:05 |
| LinuxCode | so I wouldnt take them for granted | 16:05 |
| Stskeeps | aquatix: click the website icon, more information | 16:05 |
| LinuxCode | + most of those people could be outsiders, as we have a huge stadium that hosts footbal and rugby matches | 16:06 |
| LinuxCode | + we have a huge student base | 16:06 |
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| aquatix | Stskeeps: ah right :) | 16:08 |
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| VDVsx | Stskeeps, 2322 times, damn :P | 16:15 |
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| lardman | afternoon all | 16:21 |
| RST38h | hey lardman | 16:21 |
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| lardman | hi RST38h | 16:21 |
| GeneralAntilles | Howdy-ho, lardman, | 16:21 |
| RST38h | this morning some guy was looking for a mentor interested in the BT Speaker project for GSoC | 16:21 |
| RST38h | I pointed him in your direction | 16:22 |
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| lardman | Am interested, but really busy atm | 16:22 |
| RST38h | Thought so but maybe he was just looking for advice | 16:22 |
| lardman | Wedding stuff still being done, pretty much takes up all my weekends | 16:22 |
| lardman | well I'm happy to discuss on email/etc. when I can | 16:22 |
| RST38h | lardman <-- stepping onto the slippery road of marriage | 16:22 |
| lardman | lol | 16:23 |
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| lcuk | RST38h, lardman's missus however is also being prepared shes gathering a pair of shoes for every condition ;) | 16:26 |
| lardman | don't joke | 16:26 |
| lcuk | sorry lol, tracy is just as bad | 16:26 |
| lardman | :) | 16:26 |
| lcuk | is it goin smoothly tho | 16:26 |
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| lopz | hola | 16:29 |
| lardman | yay! 11-13th September doesn't interfere with the other conference I have to go to | 16:30 |
| * lardman thinks about the Summit | 16:30 | |
| lcuk | thats quite a reasonable date for most people | 16:31 |
| lcuk | lardman, book it in now before any other confs sneak up on you | 16:32 |
| lardman | nah there's just one that I go to every year, and always at the same sort of time | 16:34 |
| lardman | I had to skivve off early last year to come to the summit iirc | 16:35 |
| lcuk | at least you didnt have to walk/swim/train/bike it to the summit like jaffa did | 16:35 |
| * lcuk vanishes again, cya later simon | 16:36 | |
| lardman | bye lcuk | 16:36 |
| * lardman heads to the lab | 16:36 | |
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| GeneralAntilles | Mmm breakfast burritos | 16:47 |
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| bergwolf | florian, ping | 17:14 |
| florian | hi bergwolf | 17:16 |
| bergwolf | hi, florian | 17:16 |
| bergwolf | did you read my gsoc proposal? | 17:16 |
| * florian hasn't managed to read any proposal | 17:17 | |
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| bergwolf | :P | 17:17 |
| bergwolf | please review it when you have time | 17:18 |
| VDVsx | bergwolf, you should have at least one comment in the system :P | 17:18 |
| * bergwolf hopes to see comments from his mentor :) | 17:18 | |
| bergwolf | VDVsx, yes, I had one from Valerio | 17:19 |
| VDVsx | :P | 17:19 |
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| rkirti | bergwolf, VDVsx is Valerio :) | 17:21 |
| bergwolf | rkirti, VDVsx, wow... | 17:22 |
| bergwolf | rkirti, I should try whois VDVsx :) | 17:23 |
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| bergwolf | VDVsx, thanks for your comments. They are very encouraging :) | 17:23 |
| VDVsx | bergwolf, don't worry the bad ones will come too :) | 17:25 |
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| * rmt_ sighs. | 17:26 | |
| bergwolf | VDVsx, I hope they come early, so that I would have time to revise the proposal :) | 17:26 |
| rmt_ | Hiya all. Just did a hard reboot of the N810 .. doesn't seem to get past the nokia boot process.. line goes from left to right, then nothing. | 17:27 |
| rmt_ | Is there a way to get more info from it? | 17:27 |
| qwerty12 | Have bootmenu installed? | 17:27 |
| rmt_ | Nope. | 17:28 |
| rmt_ | (not that I know of) | 17:28 |
| rmt_ | Just latest updates via apt. | 17:28 |
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| rmt_ | The silence is killing me | 17:35 |
| timeless | *chirp* | 17:35 |
| Stskeeps | rmt_: not really without bootmenu :P | 17:36 |
| rmt_ | I guess flashing is the typical option.. | 17:37 |
| Stskeeps | yeah, and then as first thing install bootmenu with usb telnetd :P | 17:38 |
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| vidriloco | Hi everyone | 17:40 |
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| rmt_ | Is usb telnetd running by default? | 17:41 |
| rmt_ | If I connect usb to it, what happens? | 17:41 |
| qwerty12 | Only if you have bootmenu installed and even then you activate it from the bootmenu | 17:41 |
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| qwerty12 | If you connect the USB cable for the first two seconds, it'll go into flash mode. 2 seconds after that; nothing. | 17:42 |
| qwerty12 | Except ke-recv won't activate swap during bootup or something | 17:43 |
| X-Fade | qwerty12: Ah, there he is ;) | 17:43 |
| keesj | VDVsx: http://www.theatergriffioen.nl/ looks good | 17:44 |
| X-Fade | qwerty12: Somehow your webkit package is just killing the builder.. | 17:44 |
| keesj | pizewize | 17:44 |
| qwerty12 | X-Fade, *grin*, I was going to ask you to kill the webkit builds but it looks like it doesn't need to be done anymore... | 17:44 |
| X-Fade | keesj: Yes, one thing I wonder about is if they have great wifi. | 17:44 |
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| qwerty12 | Yeah, not going to bother uploading again. | 17:44 |
| Jaffa | Hmm. It seems that maemo-community doesn't like having lots of people receiving the message; but *I* don't like sending a message which require people's action to just a mailing list. | 17:44 |
| X-Fade | qwerty12: It is weird, there are a massive amounts of threads running. | 17:45 |
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| keesj | Felix has the wifi and such | 17:45 |
| qwerty12 | X-Fade, what's more weird is that maemo1 built for ARMEL but failed on i386 but maemo2 with armel only fails to build :) | 17:45 |
| X-Fade | qwerty12: It looks like gcc got killed or died. | 17:46 |
| keesj | Jaffa: I canceled it anyway | 17:46 |
| X-Fade | qwerty12: In that build. | 17:46 |
| qwerty12 | No idea why, I never touched the code - just the debian folder and any flags sent to GCC remained the same | 17:46 |
| Jaffa | keesj: I was talking about one I've just sent ;-) | 17:47 |
| qwerty12 | Although, it doesn't help that it won't read the parallel deb_build_option properly | 17:47 |
| VDVsx | keesj, I think lcuk or Jaffa been there in a IBM event | 17:47 |
| * Jaffa was at a place in Amstelveen for an IBM event | 17:47 | |
| VDVsx | keesj, I only see it from the outside | 17:47 |
| Jaffa | I think it was Griffioen as well | 17:48 |
| aquatix | it's a rather nice place | 17:48 |
| aquatix | i think it has campusnet wifi? | 17:48 |
| VDVsx | Jaffa, yup is the same place, by the photo that you sent to the ML | 17:49 |
| X-Fade | aquatix: As long as it can handle about 600 devices ;) | 17:49 |
| * VDVsx gonna ask friends about campus wifi | 17:51 | |
| lcuk | VDVsx, ive only ever been to amsterdam once and i was trapped in the airport unable to smoke :'( | 17:53 |
| VDVsx | lcuk, heheh, you only can smoke pot in Amsterdam :P | 17:54 |
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| lcuk | VDVsx, i only wanted to smoke normal tobacco, i could see people out of the window smoking and i couldnt | 17:58 |
| lcuk | france cdg airport was better, i managed to run outside along the concourse thing and smoke whilst getting to my gate | 17:59 |
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| VDVsx | lcuk, well, smoking is bad for you, you have to quit :P | 18:03 |
| VDVsx | and will avoid problems at airports also :) | 18:03 |
| RST38h | 01/03/1987: SCP-069's study reaches a breakthrough; hypertext markup language created. Object is swiftly confiscated by SCP-team #??. | 18:03 |
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| VDVsx | keesj, I already requested info about the Vrije venue, I will have more info soon (and probably photos :P) | 18:11 |
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| rmt_ | Ok, reflashed.. it's coming up.. | 18:30 |
| rmt_ | So, bootmenu, you say. | 18:30 |
| lardman | where should I find the barcode GSoC project description? | 18:30 |
| lardman | atv: ping, you wanted to talk | 18:31 |
| Myrtti | lardman: that would intrest me as well | 18:31 |
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| VDVsx | lardman, did you sign in as mentor already ? | 18:32 |
| lardman | VDVsx: no, how does one do so, and also I'm very busy atm | 18:32 |
| VDVsx | lardman, I sent mail instructions :P | 18:33 |
| mikkov_ | is the autobuilder back in business? | 18:33 |
| lardman | VDVsx: when? | 18:34 |
| VDVsx | lardman, 20 march | 18:35 |
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| VDVsx | lardman, if you can't found those, talk to me in pm | 18:35 |
| lardman | I certainly didn't see anything on 20th March, will pm | 18:37 |
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| mikkov_ | qwerty12: webkit-maemo2 didn't work because of "make -j" without an argument doesn't limit the number of jobs | 18:37 |
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| qwerty12 | mikkov_, yeah, thanks, I found that out locally. The reason it doesn't have an argument is that the number isn't getting substituted from the deb_build_options properly. It works if DEB_BUILD_OPTIONS="parallel=4" but if it's DEB_BUILD_OPTIONS="vfp,parallel=4" for example, it messes up | 18:39 |
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| qwerty12 | I ended up hardcoding it but I don't plan on uploading it again, it's unfair to f*ck things up for everyone else | 18:39 |
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| mikkov_ | there is one webkit in build queue :) | 18:43 |
| qwerty12 | Bollocks >.<. X-Fade, mind killing that? :) | 18:43 |
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| mikkov_ | but if it's working for armel you should upload it | 18:44 |
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| qwerty12 | Maybe sometime later, I've exhausted the poor builder for long enough now :) | 18:44 |
| qwerty12 | Also, that build will fail too :) | 18:44 |
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| mikkov_ | -maemo1 with only armel arch should work? | 18:45 |
| lcuk | qwerty ive still got some popcorn left, carry on killing the server, we might actually see x-fade start to physically vent steam | 18:46 |
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| qwerty12 | mikkov_, Should do, maemo2 was only armel and all my changes were to that version were: http://pastebin.com/d76afd151 so I have no idea why it failed | 18:47 |
| qwerty12 | Although, in hindsight, I can say that I didn't fix the parallel option :) | 18:48 |
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| mikkov_ | maemo1 doesn't have make -j | 18:50 |
| mikkov_ | :) | 18:50 |
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| qwerty12 | ah :), does it have a negative effect if it has no number as an argument? | 18:51 |
| GeneralAntilles | qwerty12, bringing the fail since 2007 | 18:52 |
| qwerty12 | © | 18:52 |
| lizardo | qwerty12: from the man page: "If the -j option is given without an argument, make will not limit the number of jobs that can run simultaneously." | 18:53 |
| Stskeeps | http://dilbert.com/fast/2000-04-25/ <- ah, so that's what liasons do | 18:53 |
| qwerty12 | lizardo, oh shit, no wonder... Thanks | 18:54 |
| lizardo | basically it would me a make bomb for some complex code hehe | 18:54 |
| lizardo | me -> mean | 18:54 |
| Stskeeps | who decided "make -j" was a good idea? :P | 18:54 |
| rmt_ | Okay.. all lost.. although I think my ext3 partition survived, but isn't mounted. | 18:54 |
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| qwerty12 | mikkov_, after doing proper testing, I'll upload maemo3 sometime when the autobuilder seems dead :) | 18:57 |
| mikkov_ | qwerty12: " If the | 18:57 |
| mikkov_ | -j option is given without an argument, make will not limit the number of jobs that can run simultaneously." | 18:57 |
| mikkov_ | man make | 18:58 |
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| andrei1089 | hello, is there someone to talk about gsoc projects ? | 19:48 |
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| lfelipe | andrei1089: what exactly would you like to talk about ? | 19:49 |
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| andrei1089 | i'm interested in writting a plugin for canola | 19:50 |
| andrei1089 | a torrent plugin or one for picasa | 19:51 |
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| andrei1089 | for the torrent plugin.. it's ok to use an existing library like bittornado ? | 19:51 |
| andrei1089 | it's under mit license | 19:52 |
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| lfelipe | not only it's ok, it's expected | 19:54 |
| lfelipe | only 3 months would be too short if you needed to write the protocol implementation as well | 19:54 |
| lfelipe | bittornado has python bindings for the library ? | 19:54 |
| qwerty12 | BitTornado is in Python iirc | 19:55 |
| andrei1089 | yes | 19:55 |
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| lfelipe | cool | 19:56 |
| lfelipe | andrei1089: have you checked out canola's source code, ran it on your computer and everything ? | 19:57 |
| andrei1089 | yes | 19:57 |
| andrei1089 | i have one problem a haven't manage to solve | 19:57 |
| andrei1089 | i tried the edje_viewer | 19:58 |
| andrei1089 | but it's not showing anything on my computer | 19:58 |
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| lfelipe | andrei1089: I'm almost sure that it's broken | 19:59 |
| lfelipe | try edje_editor | 19:59 |
| lfelipe | should work | 19:59 |
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| andrei1089 | guess i'll have to install e17 to compile edje_editor, right ? | 20:04 |
| lfelipe | not sure on what it depends, but if you already have canola running, shouldn't take too much more | 20:07 |
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| oli | videl:~$ mediaplayer-ui | 20:12 |
| oli | Segmentation fault | 20:12 |
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| oli | what's wrong? :o | 20:12 |
| GeneralAntilles | There's a fault in the segmentation. | 20:14 |
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| oli | GeneralAntilles: thank you, captain obvious ;) | 20:15 |
| Stskeeps | it's general, mister. | 20:15 |
| Stskeeps | :P | 20:15 |
| GeneralAntilles | Generally Obvious | 20:15 |
| lcuk | i thought he was demoted :D | 20:16 |
| oli | whatever... i hadn't done anything risky/stupid on my maemo, and today morning i couldn't run media player... | 20:16 |
| GeneralAntilles | Demoted from Grand Marshal | 20:16 |
| GeneralAntilles | Jaffa's the evil emperor now. | 20:16 |
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| GeneralAntilles | Hi, timelE61i. | 20:17 |
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| GAN8001 | Something aint right with the universe. | 20:23 |
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| lcuk | glitch in the matrix? | 20:24 |
| GAN800 | At this rate I wouldn't be surprise if the next tablets are announced tomorrow running Windows Mobile and iPhone OS. | 20:24 |
| GAN800 | Cable's out now. | 20:24 |
| qwerty12 | lcuk, you mean Neo died for no reason? :P | 20:24 |
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| lcuk | GAN800, jake said he will record postman pat for you, he knows you dont like to miss it | 20:25 |
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| lcuk | lol qwerty12 | 20:25 |
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| GAN800 | Sirens. I can only imagine what for. | 20:27 |
| GAN800 | lcuk, is that like Bob the Builder? | 20:27 |
| Stskeeps | cable not working at police station | 20:27 |
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| lcuk | yeah GAN800 but hes a postman | 20:28 |
| lcuk | but you know that of course | 20:28 |
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| GAN800 | lcuk, sounds epic. | 20:28 |
| Stskeeps | postman pat is most excellent | 20:28 |
| lcuk | postman pat rocks! | 20:29 |
| lcuk | hes got a little black and white cat as well | 20:29 |
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| plastun | hi | 20:32 |
| plastun | Does anybody try to write GUI using EFL-library? | 20:34 |
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| lcuk | plastun, i thought canola had already written a UI in efl | 20:34 |
| plastun | yes, but You? | 20:35 |
| lcuk | no, i'm hardcore, i wrote my gui and graphics library from bare binary | 20:35 |
| plastun | a loking for GUI library, which is better for maemo and Finger | 20:35 |
| lcuk | http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iMXp0Dg_UaY :) | 20:36 |
| qwerty12 | Oh, not teletubbies. | 20:36 |
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| plastun | Does this library have Python-bindings? | 20:37 |
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| lcuk | plastun, no | 20:38 |
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| plastun | shit.. | 20:38 |
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| lcuk | why do you need to make your own ui anyway, cant you use gtk or qt and just make big buttons ;) | 20:39 |
| lcuk | khertan does very good work - in python - with gtk :) | 20:39 |
| lopz | hi | 20:39 |
| lcuk | hiya lopz | 20:39 |
| plastun | mm | 20:39 |
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| plastun | is it beautiful? | 20:40 |
| plastun | lcuk, how do you find Canola UI? | 20:40 |
| plastun | it;s not just big buttons | 20:40 |
| lcuk | i go to app manager and search for "canola" | 20:40 |
| plastun | ) | 20:40 |
| plastun | sorry for my eng. it's not my native language | 20:41 |
| VDVsx | plastun, bluemaemo is EFL too | 20:41 |
| lcuk | of course i know its not big buttons | 20:41 |
| plastun | for example | 20:41 |
| lcuk | but big buttons work well on this type of touch screen | 20:41 |
| plastun | i have HScroll in gtk | 20:41 |
| plastun | how can i increase height of this control? | 20:42 |
| * plastun install bluemaemo | 20:43 | |
| * plastun hostel1 | 20:44 | |
| plastun | shit... | 20:44 |
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| qwerty12 | Interesting: http://www.andrew.cmu.edu/course/15-821-finefm/ | 20:58 |
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| andrei1089 | lfelipe: can i submit two applications, one for the torrent and one for the picasa plugin, i can't decide which would be more useful for the community | 21:03 |
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| lfelipe | andrei1089: you can submit up to 20 applications I think | 21:03 |
| lfelipe | (not saying you should, just saying it's possible) | 21:03 |
| lfelipe | definitely send both applications, but try to be as detailed as possible in both of them | 21:04 |
| andrei1089 | ok | 21:04 |
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| lfelipe | (detailed implementation proposal, mock-ups, possible features, etc.) | 21:04 |
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| andrei1089 | i guess it's ok if i don't have an n810 and i ask the community from time to time to test the plugin on a real device.. | 21:06 |
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| lfelipe | andrei1089: perfectly fine | 21:08 |
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| lfelipe | + canola runs on the desktop just fine :) | 21:08 |
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| lfelipe | and your mentor will most likely also have access to one | 21:08 |
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| vidriloco | anyone knows if there is a mailing list or a group for the GSoC 2009 projects ideas? | 21:12 |
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| VDVsx | vidriloco, you can talk about that here or on the maemo-devel ML | 21:16 |
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| vidriloco | ok, thanks VDVsx | 21:16 |
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| GeneralAntilles | Oops | 21:17 |
| qwerty12_N800 | Spam! | 21:17 |
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| andrei1089 | lfelipe: is there going to be any test or students will chosen only by their proposals ? | 21:21 |
| lfelipe | andrei1089: they will be chosen by proposals, but if you send patches we'll definitely take that into consideration | 21:22 |
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| lfelipe | andrei1089: if you want to talk about possible things you can take a look at, join #canola | 21:23 |
| lfelipe | antognolli and glima (both are there) are also mentoring projects canola-related | 21:23 |
| lfelipe | and etrunko I believe is too | 21:23 |
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| etrunko | quick look at backlog | 21:24 |
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| etrunko | lfelipe, andrei1089: oh yeah, i'm willing to mentor | 21:26 |
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| * timelE61i grumbles | 21:28 | |
| timelE61i | gan: did we mention that dvrs in finland aren't dst safe? | 21:29 |
| vidriloco | I am new to the maemo community and would like to work on the "Improve Xournal" or "Implement Internet Storage client" ideas | 21:29 |
| * timelE61i frowns | 21:30 | |
| vidriloco | which one is best suited for a newbie? I am proficient in C and have some knowledge of GTK+, however would like to know what another considerations will you take into account for selecting an student | 21:31 |
| GeneralAntilles | timelE61i, who uses DVRs? | 21:31 |
| timelE61i | sp3000 does | 21:32 |
| timelE61i | So do i | 21:32 |
| timelE61i | basically a cross between a tivo and a vcr from 1986 | 21:33 |
| timelE61i | Big disk, incredible dumb functionality | 21:33 |
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| GeneralAntilles | EyeTV | 21:34 |
| Stskeeps | qwerty12_N800: OSS? | 21:35 |
| timelE61i | wazat | 21:35 |
| Stskeeps | (Fine) | 21:35 |
| qwerty12_N800 | Stskeeps: yes | 21:35 |
| GeneralAntilles | timelE61i, DVR for Mac | 21:36 |
| Stskeeps | qwerty12_N800: ooh. want for Mer :P | 21:36 |
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| qwerty12_N800 | would be cool :) | 21:36 |
| timelE61i | does it support 10.3.9? | 21:36 |
| timelE61i | And .fi | 21:36 |
| GeneralAntilles | timelE61i, http://www.elgato.com | 21:36 |
| GeneralAntilles | Well, the original came out in 2001 | 21:37 |
| GeneralAntilles | So, yes. | 21:37 |
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| GeneralAntilles | EyeTV 2 should support Jaguar, but EyeTV 4 doesn't | 21:38 |
| Stskeeps | qwerty12_N800: i'll give you a cookie if you package it | 21:38 |
| GeneralAntilles | Really, though, it's time to bite the bullet and upgrade. ;) | 21:38 |
| qwerty12_N800 | Stskeeps: it uses a modified libhildonfm | 21:39 |
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| Stskeeps | qwerty12_N800: just for CODA i think | 21:39 |
| qwerty12_N800 | ah, just the file manager? | 21:40 |
| Stskeeps | yeah | 21:40 |
| timelE61i | First i have to fix my' mbp and do my taxes | 21:40 |
| qwerty12_N800 | Stskeeps: That can be done by me sometime soon | 21:40 |
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| timelE61i | iNternet storage client = fuse + sample fuse app + protocol ? | 21:41 |
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| timelE61i | vIdriloco: i'd probably pick xournal | 21:42 |
| timelE61i | A storage client has a large up front barrier | 21:43 |
| timelE61i | If you don't reach that, you have nothing to show | 21:43 |
| vidriloco | yes, that's what I was thinking, however the storage client looks interesting too | 21:44 |
| timelE61i | Xournal should have a number of individual deliverables | 21:44 |
| vidriloco | but, well, dropbox provides the infrastructure for linux, I have reviewed the code | 21:44 |
| * timelE61i shrugs | 21:45 | |
| vidriloco | however I had not in mind to use it, I was planning to give storage agnostic support | 21:45 |
| timelE61i | agnostic? | 21:45 |
| timelE61i | Arbitrary storage host? | 21:45 |
| vidriloco | yes, that you could use dropbox or box.net or any other with no major problem | 21:46 |
| timelE61i | Personally, having seen the disaster that was gnome-vfs | 21:46 |
| lcuk | thanks guys, i thought for a minute a miracle had happened | 21:46 |
| lcuk | i was cleaning my screen and was on an upstroke when it moved | 21:47 |
| timelE61i | i'd run away from anything related | 21:47 |
| vidriloco | haha | 21:47 |
| * lcuk is gonna have to get himself an asus eee top :) | 21:47 | |
| vidriloco | I will consider your suggestion, perphaps is better the Xournal idea and provide the handwritting detection using HRE | 21:48 |
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| timelE61i | Our ui iirc has hard coded drive concepts | 21:48 |
| timelE61i | Hre? | 21:48 |
| vidriloco | yes, it's a C library that would fit our needs | 21:49 |
| vidriloco | http://playground.sun.com/pub/multimedia/handwriting/hre.html | 21:49 |
| timelE61i | oh, as a general plea... | 21:49 |
| timelE61i | Please be careful about using "we" and "our" | 21:49 |
| lcuk | vidriloco, thats an interesting library - it might fit in with what im doing :) | 21:50 |
| timelE61i | In a conversation w/ me, i'm part of your first person plural | 21:50 |
| timelE61i | But you don't know my needs | 21:50 |
| vidriloco | yes, it provides an API so it can be plugged to the application | 21:50 |
| lcuk | ive already got an application and it already does stroke hashing | 21:50 |
| vidriloco | ok timelE61i | 21:51 |
| vidriloco | I understand | 21:51 |
| lcuk | and i write an awful lot, it would be nice to search it :) | 21:51 |
| timelE61i | fwiw, it could be worse, usually people use "royal we" | 21:51 |
| timelE61i | - which is truly irksome | 21:52 |
| lcuk | vidriloco, speak with astorm if you can catch him | 21:52 |
| lcuk | hes doing hwr for something or other | 21:52 |
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| vidriloco | ppff, yes, I imagine timeIE61i | 21:52 |
| vidriloco | ok, thanks lcuk | 21:53 |
| vidriloco | Is there support for handwritting recognition on maemo diablo? | 21:53 |
| timelE61i | Yes | 21:53 |
| timelE61i | It's licensed from someone | 21:54 |
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| GeneralAntilles | We care not what you think, timelE61i. | 21:54 |
| vidriloco | oh, ok, so perhaps Xournal could benefit from it | 21:54 |
| timelE61i | No | 21:54 |
| timelE61i | Please don't go anywhere near it | 21:54 |
| vidriloco | Is it broken? | 21:55 |
| timelE61i | It isn't OSS | 21:55 |
| lcuk | vidriloco, that hre library is ported to the 2.2 kernel | 21:55 |
| lcuk | wont that be a problem? | 21:55 |
| vidriloco | yes, it's a little bit old. Maemo uses 2.6 right? | 21:56 |
| timelE61i | gan: fwiw, nokia's pc suite made usb teathering on my xp laptop just work :) | 21:56 |
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| timelE61i | s/teat/tet/ | 21:57 |
| infobot | timelE61i meant: gan: fwiw, nokia's pc suite made usb tethering on my xp laptop just work :) | 21:57 |
| vidriloco | ppff, and also glibc can be a problem | 21:58 |
| vidriloco | Maemo also | 21:58 |
| vidriloco | uses different versions of toolchains (GCC, glibc[19] etc.) from the start guide | 21:58 |
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| lcuk | vidriloco, if you follow through and get it ported to maemo would you send me a mail | 22:00 |
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| vidriloco | the HRE library? | 22:01 |
| lcuk | yeah | 22:01 |
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| vidriloco | yes, but which is your email? | 22:01 |
| lcuk | its liquid@gmail.com heres what im working on: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iMXp0Dg_UaY | 22:02 |
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| vidriloco | ok lcuk | 22:05 |
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| vidriloco | great work. Is it part of maemo diablo or will it be part of maemo fremantle? | 22:08 |
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| lcuk | vidriloco, its working now in diablo, obviously the experience will improve on newer hardware, but its already tasty enough working with what we have now :) | 22:10 |
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| VDVsx | vidriloco, I think it will run, even in a toaster with X11, :p | 22:11 |
| vidriloco | so, it's very lightweight | 22:11 |
| vidriloco | ? | 22:11 |
| vidriloco | is it written on c? | 22:11 |
| lcuk | vidriloco, yes its designed from the ground up to be completely fluid and workable on maemo, its a bit of a tricky mare at the moment, but its being chiselled into a nice little library :) | 22:12 |
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| vidriloco | wow, so let me see if i get it right. Is an alternative for hildon? | 22:13 |
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| lcuk | no, its an app i built this last year to do what i expected a touch screen device to do | 22:14 |
| rmt | Okay.. the N810 is back up to scratch.. must just remember to backup for future reference. Lost installed package configuration and a couple of contacts.. everything else in tact ;-) | 22:14 |
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| vidriloco | hey, yes, I have seen the overview #3 and now I understand | 22:19 |
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| vidriloco | and what are the plans for it? | 22:21 |
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| vidriloco | lcuk: I was thinking that it could replace hildon, or at least improve it, the only problem would be that it could break the applications using gtk+ or work would need to be done for keeping them happy | 22:27 |
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| vidriloco | lcuk: what are your plans for the work you have been doing on liqbase? | 22:28 |
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| florian | re | 22:33 |
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| lcuk | vidriloco, i have a number of small applications which are already being converted to use the new library, i have a small group of friends and a potential gsoc candidate who are assisting me in this, then im gonna sit back and make lots of cool little things :) | 22:36 |
| MikaT | Good evening (UTC+3)..... | 22:36 |
| MikaT | Could you tell me, what is a good way to make a distinction between two versions of Maemo SDK in scripts? | 22:37 |
| RST38h | Hurrah! The new Sigmatel board boots! | 22:37 |
| lcuk | dunno MikaT i work on the device itself | 22:37 |
| lcuk | !! rst | 22:37 |
| MikaT | lcuk: Ok, well is there some way to do that in device? | 22:38 |
| lcuk | i wouldnt have the foggiest | 22:39 |
| MikaT | Roger that :) | 22:39 |
| vidriloco | lcuk: that's great. I hope I can be working on maemo during this summer and be part of the community. Anyway, I will let you know about the HRE library | 22:39 |
| lcuk | cool thx :) | 22:39 |
| qwerty12_N800 | MikaT: on device, you can look at /etc/osso_software_version | 22:40 |
| MikaT | qwerty12_N800: Ok, thanks. I wonder why there is no such thing as lsb_release in Maemo. | 22:41 |
| MikaT | qwerty12_N800: Hold on, this might be a way in SDK too.... | 22:41 |
| qwerty12_N800 | MikaT: yeah... there's a bug open for lsb_release. maybe in Fremantle | 22:41 |
| qwerty12_N800 | :) | 22:41 |
| MikaT | qwerty12_N800: Yup, that seems to be working on SDK too. Complex strings, but I can parse some pattern from there. Thanks a lot! | 22:43 |
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| RST38h | "When site TechFlash called, apparently De Long said she had signed an NDA restricting her from speaking about her experiences with the HP laptop." | 22:44 |
| RST38h | Can you imagine what horror it must have been to require a gag order? | 22:44 |
| glass | erm whats that in relation with | 22:44 |
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| RST38h | glass: Microsoft has given a free $1000 laptop to some gal on TV | 22:46 |
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| glass | but put a gag order to not talk about it? | 22:46 |
| RST38h | glass: It has later been found she is an LA-based actress who applied for a jb with them | 22:46 |
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| RST38h | glass: Yea | 22:46 |
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| glass | so eh | 22:50 |
| glass | teh failboat then | 22:50 |
| lcuk | barrelroll? | 22:51 |
| glass | they could've picked some random teenager and quite probably she would've been a windows user | 22:51 |
| RST38h | teenagers ain't cheerful enough, professional cheerleaders beat 'e, hands down | 22:51 |
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| GeneralAntilles | Somebody in Maemo SW want to poke Marcell into updating repository.maemo.org? | 23:54 |
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| lbt | n810 is £170 at play.com FWIW :) | 23:56 |
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