IRC log of #maemo for Tuesday, 2009-03-31

qwerty12_N800GeneralAntilles: :P00:00
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GeneralAntillesqwerty12_N800, stick your tongue out again and I'll take it from you.00:01
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GeneralAntillesDamnit, why is a device with no moving parts making noise. . . .00:03
lbtthat moves00:03
lbtand the stand00:04
GeneralAntilleslbt, I think the SSD is squealing.00:04
GeneralAntillesDefinitely not the speaker00:04
lbtoil it00:04
lbtshould quieten down then00:04
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lbtis it the screen00:04
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GeneralAntillesNo, clearly coming from the bottom half of the device.00:05
lbtseems like it may be the most likely candidate for hig freq noise00:05
lbtbattery gas?00:05
GeneralAntillesI'm almost certain it's the SSD00:06
GeneralAntillescoming from that area00:06
GeneralAntillesIf only I were 5 years older00:06
lbtrare wish00:07
lbtor maybe that's *my* age ;)00:07
GeneralAntillesWell, then I wouldn't be able to hear it. :P00:07
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gnutonHi there00:11
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neatojonesDoes anyone know how to find/download a sources package?  I'd like to build a package from here: but I can't find the source anywhere in the repo00:40
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VDVsxneatojones, which package ? :p00:45
neatojonesactually... a bunch. But, one specifically is e-wm00:46
VDVsxyou should found the sources in the e repo00:47
neatojonesI was thinking I ought to be able to set up a line like src on my ubuntu and download the source that way00:47
neatojonesI'm looking for the files that they used to build the packges (the ipk configuration files)00:48
neatojoneswhich are equivalent to deb config files00:48
VDVsxah the bitbake recipes00:48
VDVsx1 sec00:48
neatojonesIf i have that info, I can build debs that are exactly the same, only built for Mer/Maemo00:48
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VDVsxthe main ipk repo is here: http://www.angstrom-distribution.org00:52
neatojonesI looked there, but still didn't see any of the tar.gz or .src files00:52
VDVsxI know that exist a site with the bb files, but can't found it00:52
neatojonesHmm.  Thanks for helping.00:52
neatojonesAny other ideas?00:53
neatojonesthey have to be somewhere00:53
VDVsxyou can ask in #openmoko-cdevel00:53
neatojoneswill do. Thanks00:54
neatojonesis that freenode?00:54
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GAN800Oh, 720p Mini 1001:22
MacerStskeeps: ? what was the solaris/gnu based os you told me about?01:23
qwerty12_N800Nexenta perhaps? If you mean the OpenSolaris & Ubuntu mashup01:23
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Macerhm. are you running it also qwerty12_N800 ?01:26
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FRZ_I guess that didn't work03:05
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FRZ_... and I got it.03:05
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mrlanratHello, I am a student looking to apply for the Google summer of code with Maemo. Im looking for something that does not require a lot of programing experience, but I would love to lean more. so far the Canola plugin idea looks good. can anyone point me in the right direction?03:24
rohananilmrlanrat: i am also a student , as far as i know  mentors are around usually at (UTC working hours time) , and probably best if you mail them03:26
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mrlanratrohananil; do you know who I should mail? and where I can find there address?03:27
b0unc3_mrlanrat: use the ML03:27
mrlanratb0unc3_; thanks03:29
b0unc3_mrlanrat: you're welcome03:29
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mrlanratb0unc3; which mailing list should I use?03:34
b0unc3mrlanrat: -dev I suppose03:35
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MacorStskeeps: ?04:25
Macornexenta... it only supports 32bit cpus?04:25
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kaiewho wants a pidgin 2.5.5 binary with working icq ?05:04
kaieI did a build and it seems to work, anyone else interested to install and test?05:04
hotaru2k3people still use icq?05:09
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kaieif you want to keep in touch with people who only use icq one must use icq05:14
Lanzabut if no one uses icq, who would you want to keep in touch with ?05:16
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kaiewith no one05:17
bef0rdwith the people that still uses icq05:18
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kaieok, so who wants to test a pidgin 2.5.5 maemo package which has all the new cool pidgin fixes that happened after 2.5.1 ?05:23
Lanzai'd love to05:24
kaieLanza, cool:
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kaieLanza, you'd have to download all the .deb files and install them using dpkg -i *.deb05:28
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kaieHmm, I've added a .tar file to simplify downloading05:30
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kaiewell, I've updated the garage bug that complained about broken ICQ functionality. take care05:53
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dmzhowdy, anyone here using flipclock?07:01
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JasonWoofhow can I take pictures and audio recordings that have in their meta-data my current gps location?07:33
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Macorhm. trying to install nextenta08:56
Stskeepsit's a strange beast but once it actually runs, it's pretty nice08:56
Macori'm a little confused about the install08:57
Macorthe install disc uses a 32bit kernel. do you choose the 64bit one later or something?08:57
Stskeepsyeah, it autodetects afaik08:57
Macorwell.. i got an error during the install saying my raid was too large for a 32bit kernel08:58
Macormaybe i can fix that later08:58
Macori'm going to use the nvidia sata on the mboard.. i guess it doesn't support the fakeraid i have08:58
MacorStskeeps: would you happen to know the difference between cifs and samba?08:59
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Macori've been looking for information on it but it doesn't seem to exist :)08:59
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StskeepsMacor: two different implementations i think09:00
Macori see. i hope i don't have a problem using this entire raid09:00
StskeepsMacor: if you have ZFS you don't want to have fakeraid anyway09:01
MacorStskeeps: yeah. that's what i hear09:01
Macori'm installing it now. i'm more concerned about the raid than anything :) i need to use the entire 7TB09:01
Macori just made an 8 TB raid 5 volume and hope i can get it all working sometime tomorrow09:02
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Stskeepshehe, once nexenta is setup it's a matter of zpool create, heh09:03
Stskeepsbut that's another topic09:03
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Stskeepsi would recommend going for raidz straight away09:03
Stskeepsas in, redundant, not striped09:04
Macorwell.. i'm working on it all now09:04
Macorsetting up the network now09:04
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Macori really just don't want to have gone all the way through this to find out it will only use a 32bit kernel09:06
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Macorapt-clone = apt-get in hm09:17
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LiraNunaanyone knows why it's so hard to find an N810 WiMAX lately?09:18
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StskeepsLiraNuna: they got EOL'ed09:19
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Stskeepsyeah, there probably was some issues with sprint when they merged with clearwire09:20
LiraNunasoftware will still be present right?09:21
Stskeepshmm? as in downloadable? yeah, but i don't think any of the tablets will be getting more Diablo updates09:22
LiraNunahence the deblet project09:23
Stskeepsnah, hence the Mer project09:23
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LiraNunaso, deblet's discontinued?09:24
ds3has someone done work to make Mer usable on a 480x272 display yet?09:24
Macorwow i have never done this before09:24
Macorand i am totally lost as to how i am supposed to create zpools09:24
Macori figured they were similar to lvm09:24
Macorbut i don't know what dev solaris uses for my raid card09:25
Stskeepsformat -e is a good hint09:25
Stskeepsds3: we have a new theme :P09:25
LiraNunaStskeeps, I know you were (is?) involved in deblet development, is it discontinued?09:26
ds3Stskeeps: is it drop in? I built this using a BB board and trying estimate how much effort it would take Mer to run on it -
Stskeepsds3: and pretty easily, but i don't know enough about the LCD interface. does xserver-xorg-video-omapfb work with it?09:26
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StskeepsLiraNuna: yeah, it's discontinued - it would hit a wall of power saving problems09:27
ds3Stskeeps: Yes. I have Angstrom running on it right now09:27
ds3and I can do all the kernel stuff; it is thee icon/layout userland stuff that I am trying to avoid spinning on09:27
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StskeepsLiraNuna: same as why i think the efforts in ubuntu on tablets are not good, they'll hit a wall as well, instead of contributing to mer :P09:27
Stskeepsand a lot of wasted effort for that eventual realization :P09:28
MacorStskeeps: is there somewhere you can direct me to in order to learn how to set up this zpool stuff?09:28
LiraNunawhat is the problem with power management?09:28
ds3Stskeeps:do you know if Mer will work if there is no Wifi?09:28
Macori need to mirror the 2nd nvidia sata drive and create a fs for the raid and mount it in /mnt/archive09:28
Stskeepsds3: it'll work fine09:28
StskeepsLiraNuna: people want a device that can idle for more then 7 hours09:28
Stskeepsds3: we run it in vmware, heh09:28
ds3cool... OMAP3 based MID! wheeee09:28
LiraNunaisn't maemo supposed to work 'up to 4 days'09:29
StskeepsLiraNuna: yeah, - and that's similar approaches we take09:29
ds3Stskeeps: nice... is there tarballs of the rootfs? (don't need it now, but nextweek I might give Mer a crack on my MID)09:29
Stskeepsds3: yes, on monday the new UI will be published09:29
Stskeepsas 0.1109:29
LiraNunaStskeeps, why can't you borrow code from maemo then?09:29
StskeepsLiraNuna: we do09:30
Macori see the name of the device but don't understand where they are09:30
StskeepsLiraNuna: but we also took some other choices, such as basing on top of ubuntu09:30
LiraNunaoh, \o/09:30
Macorthey have these huge ass names.. like pci@e,92343209:30
LiraNunaeven better than debian09:30
StskeepsMacor: ah, no, not those, the csomething ones09:30
StskeepsLiraNuna: so we have entire pool of ubuntu software09:30
ds3does Mer care if all the buttons are on one /dev/input/event device instead of being split out on the N8x0?09:30
Meiz_n810LiraNuna, You can run big desktop-environments on Mer too09:30
Macorwell. there is c2t0d009:30
Macoris that what you are talking about?09:30
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Stskeepsds3: you probably just need to adjust the xorg.conf09:31
LiraNunaI tried 3 stores lately and placed an order of n810 wimax, and they all refunded me with "out of stock"09:31
StskeepsMacor: yeah, that's the device name09:31
LiraNunaI found another one, let's hope this one has some extras09:31
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Stskeepsyou don't point it to /dev/c2t0d0, you point it to c2t0d009:31
Macorok.. i'm going to try to set up the mirror first09:32
LiraNunaMeiz_n810, you just answered my future question09:32
LiraNunaif KDE runs, GNOME will too!09:32
Meiz_n810Not that easily09:33
Meiz_n810but GNOME sucks on tablets even worse than KDE09:33
LiraNunaI still adore GNOME09:33
LiraNunavideo is pretty fast09:34
LiraNunaat least for KDE ;P09:34
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Macorwell.. that was easy enough :)09:35
Stskeepscreating fs's are a joy too09:35
Meiz_n810LireNuna: Some GNOME packages confilct with Mer ones09:35
LiraNunaMeiz_n810, such as?09:35
LiraNuna"network manager" ?09:35
Stskeepsnah, we have that one09:35
Stskeepsbasically, you'll be able to run the apps from GNOME, but the desktop itself isn't happy09:36
LiraNunawhat's the problems encountered?09:37
Stskeepsbasically incompatible package versions09:37
Stskeepsand osso-gnomevfs2 crap09:38
LiraNunaI thought gnomevfs is deprecated09:38
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Stskeepsit still complains :P09:38
Meiz_n810Ubuntus libvte9 doesn't like Mer i think09:39
Stskeepsthat too09:39
LiraNunahow does Fennec working on it (if at all)09:39
Meiz_n810as crappy as the maemo one09:39
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LiraNunasorry about the mass questions, I am trying to get my hands on an N810 for months now09:40
Meiz_n810slow and crashes on heavy pages09:40
Stskeepswe have arora and midori, though09:40
Stskeepsor that09:40
Meiz_n810maybe not, midori or epiphany-webkit are not accepting coocies, are they?09:41
Meiz_n810arora works fine though09:41
MacorStskeeps: i'm a little confused with this09:44
Macori have 2 same sized disks and i am trying to add the 2nd one to the first pool (the installed drive)09:44
Macoris that possible while it is online?09:44
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Stskeepsyou can attach a disk that would be a mirror09:48
Stskeepsi'd spend a bit of time googling09:49
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Macorefi labeled devices are not supported on root pools09:50
Stskeepsboot related stuff really09:50
Stskeepsi recommend having a syspool and a data pool09:51
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Stskeepsmorning qwerty1209:52
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qwerty12hey Stskeeps09:52
Stskeepsdid i dream it or did you mention something about fine-fm?09:52
Stskeeps(it's dangerous to have tablet beside you in bed)09:53
qwerty12Lol, I can relate to that... but yes, your eyes did not deceive you for I did, I did!09:53
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Stskeepsnow, what was it? i saw that you found it but not if you got it to run or something :P09:55
MacorStskeeps: i am seperating them09:55
Macori'm just trying to figure out how to mirror the boot drive09:55
qwerty12Well, seeing as I was the one who found the link, it'd be hard for me not to have found it ;). But I tried it in Maemo, it's pretty decent09:55
Macori'm a little lost as to how you add another disk to the pool and then force them to mirror one another09:56
StskeepsMacor: zpool attach09:56
MacorStskeeps: tried that ;)09:56
qwerty12Lemme connect the N800 to my network and I'll x11vnc it09:56
Macorefi labeled devices are not supported on root pools09:57
StskeepsMacor: well is this your new pool, and not the syspool one?09:57
Macorno.. this is the syspool09:57
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Macorwhich is on a disk on the onboard sata09:57
Macori have a 2nd disk of the same size and i want to mirror the boot drive to the 2nd one09:58
Macorwhich is on the 2nd onboard sata controller09:58
Stskeepsdevice name?09:58
Macorso i'm trying zpool attach c1t0d0 c1t1d009:58
Macorand get that error09:58
Stskeepsand c1t1d0 is the new drive?09:59
Macoryes... it is the same size as the 1st on the 2nd sata channel09:59
Macori am trying to mirror c1t0d0 and c1t1d009:59
Macorand c1t0d0 is the one that has the install on10:00
Stskeepszpool attach -f syspool attach c1t0d0 c1t1d010:00
Macortried that too ;)10:00
Stskeepsformat -e c1t1d010:00
Stskeepsand select the SMI label10:01
Stskeepsformat -e c1t1d0, and then 'label', and then select SMI label10:01
* Stskeeps sighs and has a headache10:02
Macorc1t1d0 gives an error saying this disk may be in use by an application that has modified the fdisk table10:03
Macorensure that this disk is ot currently in use before proceeding to use fdisk10:03
Macorwtf :)10:03
Stskeepsanyway, explore it a bit10:03
Stskeepsit takes some time to get running at first but it's bliss afterwards10:03
Macorhow do i wipe the disk?10:03
Stskeepsreplace it with zeroes using a bootcd or whatever :P10:04
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StskeepsLiraNuna: as i said earlier - it's basically mer without the hildon stuff10:12
LiraNuna100% open source10:12
StskeepsLiraNuna: not made in a very structured way10:12
LiraNunaStskeeps, I know, but it made me happy :(10:12
Stskeepsqwerty12: yeah, we should package that10:12
qwerty12It wants some can't-be-found-on-the-internetz libogs library though10:14
qwerty12That said, the application starts up fine w/out it install (that's running from an extracted deb)10:15
qwerty12Just won't compile. I'll see what can be done.10:15
Stskeepswtf :P10:15
Stskeepsthat seems to be a nokia thing10:15
qwerty12Ah, you're right10:16
qwerty12" Global Search Application core library"10:16
Stskeepslooks like it's the "Find" button10:17
Stskeepscan probably be commented out10:17
StskeepsLiraNuna: not a official port, btw :P10:17
qwerty12Yeah, can be done easily.10:17
Stskeepsso don't bother the u-a people :>10:17
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Stskeeps(i'm not even sure b-man can call it Ubuntu.)10:17
LiraNunaStskeeps, I know, but still a step forward10:18
Stskeepsyeah, sure - i had a port running in july 200810:18
Stskeepsso it's an old effort10:18
qwerty12Yeah, it's part of Nokia's "maemo-sdk-nokia-binaries_4.1.1"10:18
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Stskeepswe can probably glue it in with tracker or something10:19
qwerty12Easily removed, just #if 0 the evt_btn_find and its caller10:19
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Stskeepsi'm still amazed how many OSS replacements for maemo stuff that just lingers about10:21
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Macordoes this apt-clone crap actually work10:26
Macori'm getting fopen: permission denied10:26
Stskeepsworked for me10:27
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Macorwell.. it does but10:30
Macori keep getting fopen: permission denied for everything10:30
Stskeepsno clues10:31
* Stskeeps goes to sleep for an hour10:31
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JaffaMorning, all10:46
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MacorStskeeps: evidently you are supposed to pick both drives during the install :)10:48
Macorhow awesome is that? :)10:48
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svuаlterego, ping11:16
LiraNunasvu, pong11:17
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* svu is looking for alterego actually11:20
alteregoOh, hello :)11:20
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alteregoI've made some progress but there's still some bugs in my packaging.11:20
alteregoProbably only another couple of hours work. I'll hopefully get around to tomorrow evening.11:21
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svualterego, thanks!  sorry for pushing, but i guess it has to be done, for rubys sake ;)11:23
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tank-manIm such an idiot. Ive wasted so much time trying to pair a bluetooth keyboard with my desktop and instead it was pairing with my n800 in the other room all this time.11:30
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Macorholy crap11:43
Macori am getting 100MB/s11:43
Macorto the nexenta box11:43
aquatixtank-man: lol11:44
Macorholy shit11:44
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aquatixMacor: what do you use nexenta for?11:45
Macorfor a fileserver now it seems ;)11:45
Macoram going to add other things to it but it's a fileserver right now11:46
Macorand it is FLYING11:46
aquatixapparently you have gig-e?11:46
Macori'm sustaining 103MB/s11:46
Macorthe nics are MAXED11:46
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aquatixwhat kind of machine is it on?11:46
Macorthis is like the first time i've ever seen it go this fast11:46
Macordual dual core operton 1.8GHz with an intel gbit server nic 8G and an areca w 8x1TB raid11:47
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aquatixah :)11:48
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alteregosvu, was just in a meeting. Don't worry about pushing me. I sometimes need a little nudge ;)11:55
lcukMacor, if i read everything in iTT correctly, isnt the next nokia device gonna have similar stats :p11:57
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GeneralAntilleslcuk, wont you look silly when it does.11:57
lcukit will appear to anyway ;)11:57
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lcuki can just see the battery life: 30 seconds when idle, 4 seconds when in use11:58
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GeneralAntillesNokia's ace in the hole is the time machine they used to grab OMAP9s from 202511:59
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lcuki heard the omap range died out in the silicon wars of 201812:00
lcukby 2025 we had readjusted our computing power to run on silicone12:01
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Proteousit was us, who scorched the sky. At the time we thought that the tablets couldn't survive without a power source as abundant as the sun12:05
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lardmananyone having troubles connecting to MSN these days?12:14
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lardmanon-device that is12:14
floriangood morning12:15
lardmanmorning florian12:15
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StskeepsMacer: just be sure to sett it up as raidz or raidz2.. losing a whole pool to striping is nasty12:22
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qwerty12Stskeeps, finefm added to queue. I've also made some improvements to the code12:40
Stskeepsalright, much appreciated12:40
Stskeepsi won't add it to 0.11 image (feature freeze atm) but people can slowly test it by apt-getting it i guess12:40
Macerthank god i copied an old home dir to my external hard drive12:40
StskeepsMacer: so ZFS is delivering as promised so far? :P12:42
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Macerhell yeah it is Stskeeps12:44
Maceri think it's overall opensolaris that is actually... nic and disk io are screaming12:44
Maceri think i will just set up the artigo for outside access and use nexenta for everything locally12:44
Macerit is an incredibly redundant box12:45
Stskeepsnow think for a second on the fact that it's actually delivering this performance whilst check-summing and doing safe disk transactions12:45
Stskeepsso it'll state immediately if there's disk corruption12:45
Macerit's about time it started to go as fast as it should. what a total let down esxi turned out to be12:45
Stskeepsit has caught cable corruption with me quite often12:45
Maceri need to install httpd .. named.. etc12:45
Macercable corruption? seriously?12:45
Stskeepsyeah - happens often12:46
Stskeepsit can detect ram errors this way too and warn you early before your pool goes up in flames, heh12:46
MacerStskeeps: thanks for recommending it12:46
Macerit really is quite amazing12:46
Stskeepsyeah - some things are bloody irritating, such as ps elf instead of ps aux, but yeah12:47
Stskeepsand some packages not ported12:47
Macerthat's fine. i'm only using mainstream stuff anyways12:47
Maceri need to put named on it12:47
Stskeepsbut i'm actually talking to you from my nexenta installation :P12:47
Macerheh.. so am i ;)12:47
Stskeepsif you discover how to make Xen work or other virtualization technologies, do say12:47
Maceri don't think i'm going to take the virt route anymore12:47
Macermaybe i will just learn how to jail or something.. but i think this is going to be my server from now on12:48
Stskeepsthere's also solaris zones which may be worth looking into12:48
Macerand i will just set up the artigo for outside people12:48
Stskeepsyou can also export parts of the pool using iscsi12:48
Macerthanks again. have to get ready for work ;)12:48
Maceri've never used iscsi12:49
Macermaybe later.. if it works out well i may try it out as a desktop12:49
Stskeepsvery useful for virtualbox for instance, it can use it as a boot device, heh12:49
Maceri love xfering stuff at 100MB/s ;)12:49
Macerfirst time my gbit nic has been maxed out over my damn network because the stuff i have used sucks12:50
Stskeepsalso, zpool scrub should be your best friend12:50
Macerzfs ftw12:50
Stskeepsoh, and you should definately look into zfs snapshots12:50
* Meiz_n810 didn't have enough balls to irc during deutch test...12:52
StskeepsMeiz_n810: welcome to adulthood12:56
Stskeepsi'm surprised you were even allowed to bring it12:56
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qwerty12I've got my French speaking test today, shouldn't take them long to tell me to GTFO knowing my French :P12:57
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X-Fadeqwerty12: The builder has been revived again, so you can submit your package if you want ;)12:58
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Stskeepsonly way i passed french was cos i had a french guy over irc helping me through the year to understand some things12:58
qwerty12X-Fade, the <look-from-side-to-side-and-whisper> webkit </look-from-side-to-side-and-whisper> one?12:59
GeneralAntillesX-Fade, you're only saying that because you're not in the building with it and wont be there when it explodes, eh? :P12:59
X-FadeGeneralAntilles: I will be monitoring it ;)12:59
qwerty12Damn! and this time I wanted to make it rm -rf / :(13:00
qwerty12s/rm/run rm/13:00
infobotqwerty12 meant: Damn! and this time I wanted to make it run rm -rf / :(13:00
X-FadeBut it showed the need of more builders and more powerful ones..13:00
GeneralAntillesWith seismographs?13:00
GeneralAntillesX-Fade, did you show the stats to Nokia?13:01
X-FadeGeneralAntilles: Which ones?13:01
StskeepsX-Fade: we're doing some interesting experiments with OpenSUSE Build Service in Mer.. hopefully that'll be a solid foundation for Maemo&Mer builds eventually13:01
GeneralAntillesThe ones where qwert12 brought down the builder.13:01
Stskeeps(we'll make a report/documentation on how good it actually is :P)13:01
X-FadeStskeeps: That won't work for us, because we need the nokia-binaries repo.13:01
X-FadeStskeeps: So that is a non-starter.13:01
StskeepsX-Fade: local instances of OBS is possible or download-on-demand13:02
X-FadeStskeeps: But you are not allowed to do that ;)13:02
Stskeepshmm. :P13:02
X-FadeWell, with the token and all.13:02
Stskeepsyeah, there might be an issue in that13:03
X-FadeBut that can be solved by running OBS locally.13:03
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Stskeepsyeah, it's one of the scenario requirements we have13:03
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Stskeepson the other hand it shouldn't be that difficult to implement a repository reference that's there but not visible of the specifics13:04
* Stskeeps sees how his pygtk build is going13:05
X-FadeStskeeps: I have a local copy of the nokia-binaries repo on the builder and have stripped the token out etc..13:05
qwerty12X-Fade, so I can reupload webkit? I've checked it properly, make runs with -j413:06
X-Fadeqwerty12: Sure. Although you won't see much gains with parallel builds on this one cpu vm ;)13:06
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qwerty12Lol, fair enough13:07
X-Fadeqwerty12: But somehow my ps list gave me screens and screens full of ./libtool g++ lines..13:08
X-FadeSo that was not doing what it was supposed to ;)13:08
qwerty12Yeah, that's disgusting, sorry about that.13:08
X-FadeAnd the QT4.5 build which includes webkit doesn't have any problems with it.13:09
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qwerty12I'm about to hit enter, anyone want to say "Don't upload it you fucking bastard, I need to build my shit"?13:10
X-FadeAnyway, it is running again and Tero is painfully aware of the need of some better builder hardware.13:10
Stskeepsqwerty12: at least it's not bluez-test or glib..13:10
X-Fadeqwerty12: Maybe you can let the queue clear up a bit before resubmitting ;)13:11
StskeepsX-Fade: curious, you just use qemu-arm as cpu transparency?13:11
qwerty12Ctrl-C it is :)13:11
X-FadeStskeeps: cvs-m version..13:11
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X-FadeAnd we now use the newer scratchbox version (fremantle alpha one) for diablo and chinook too.13:12
GeneralAntillesHopefully we get new hardware before the beta comes out.13:12
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qwerty12X-Fade, you'll probably want to delete - 152mb...13:15
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X-Fadeqwerty12: Why is that thing so big? :)13:18
qwerty12It's debug symbols. If I allow dh_strip to strip them, it defeats the point of the package. Although I have no problems in stopping that package being made :)13:19
timelE61isTs: i had an snv zone hosting nexenta for two years13:20
timelE61iAfter i fix my mbp, i'll go back to re-implementing that13:21
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timelE61ixFade: -j should help w/ disk i/o v. Processing13:23
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X-FadetimelE61i: Yeah, but there are multiple builds of multiple packages running on the same machine.13:24
X-FadeSo it won't do you any good in practice.13:24
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timelE61ihow weak is the box?13:26
X-FadetimelE61i: very.13:27
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* rmt wonders if adding user ALL = (ALL) ALL to /etc/sudoers could be stopping the device from booting.. didn't think about it.. but killed it again.. so reflashed again.. checked that rebooting worked fine.. installed openssh, fbreader repository, skype, omweather.. also change'd user's passwd and added the line to /etc/sudoers13:47
rmtAny of these the clear cause of the issue?13:47
Stskeepsrmt: probably because you didn't add NOPASSWD13:48
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rmtStskeeps: Would that then override the other sudo options?13:48
rmtOkay, then that's it.13:48
rmtAhah, the last match is used, says man sudoers13:49
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rmtWell, hopefully this is the last time I need to flash this in a long time, then. :)13:50
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kulveanybody run n8x0 kernel in qemu? Does qemu support any audio devices in arm?13:57
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Macerlet me see about getting named installed in this nexenta14:05
lcukkulve, is hwr around, he runs qemu stuff lots i believe and should be able to tell you14:06
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lcukthat would be it14:10
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lcukthanks Stskeeps14:10
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MacerStskeeps: this os is awesome14:11
Maceri need to set up bind on it but it is great14:11
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Stskeepspower of solaris with the ease of use of ubuntu server :P14:12
Stskeepsi really wish i had it for ARM. :P14:12
Macerwhat pkg is nfs in?14:12
Macerthought it was nfs-utils14:13
Maceryah. it is awesome =)14:13
Stskeepsnfs .. hmm14:13
Maceri am still shocked at the 103MB/s xfers over smb14:13
rmtOk.. also have /home/user on nfs now.. just need the pkg list to be backed up regularly, and it should be a relatively easy job to fix if I kill it again.14:13
Macerthe nic was the bottleneck14:13
Macermy gbit nic was maxed14:13
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Macerthink that url is wrong Stskeeps14:16
Macermy bad14:17
kulvelcuk: thanks14:20
MacerStskeeps:  are you running X on it?14:21
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Macerlike.. xfce or gnome?14:21
zeenixhello maemo'ers14:21
zeenixor whats the term? :)14:21
Maceri see. the nfs seems rather simple but im at work14:22
Maceri will set it up when i get home14:22
zeenixStskeeps: that sounds right :)14:23
Stskeepsso how's rygel coming along?14:24
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Macerareca                  6.2T   148G   6.1T     3~    /mnt/archive14:28
Maceri love it14:28
Macerbeast... so what does it do.. just create the fs on the fly?14:29
Stskeepscan i see a zpool status of that? :P14:29
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Macerim on my g1 but i will try14:30
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Macerthere really isnt much there14:34
Stskeepsah, that's the fakeraid or?14:35
Macermy areca14:36
Macerhw raid14:36
suihkulokkiMacer: which areca?14:36
Macer1120 pci-x14:37
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Macer8 port sata14:37
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Macerhow does zfs make the fs?14:37
Macerit reminds me of lvm without mkfs14:37
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Stskeepszfs create poolname/fs14:38
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Maceri didnt do that14:38
Stskeepsit shares the space within the pool14:38
Stskeepsthe way of FSes are a bit different14:38
Maceri just mounted the one it made14:38
Stskeepsyeah, there's a top FS14:38
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Maceri see14:38
Maceri sont understand how it formats it though14:39
Stskeepsno such thing14:39
Maceris there just no need to format it?14:39
Maceri see14:39
Stskeepsi can recommend reading up a bit on it14:39
Macercreates it all on the fly?14:39
Stskeepsyeah, a fs is just a record inside the pool14:39
suihkulokkiMacer: hehe, you could install linux _on_ the raid card :)14:40
Macersuihkulokki: why? i have nexenta14:40
Macerit is kicking ass =)14:40
suihkulokkiMacer: you can't install nexenta on the card :)14:40
Macerthe raid is strictly storage. the sw raiding zfs does is very redundant14:41
Maceri want the entire raid for storage anyways. i have 2 mirroresd 80G drives for the os14:41
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StskeepsMacer: trust me, you want the raiding zfs does over what the card does14:42
Stskeepsso if you have a way to show all drives as a JBOD, and then base a pool on those drives14:42
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Stskeepsit has excellent i/o scheduling14:42
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Macerwell. the nic is the bottleneck anyways14:42
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suihkulokkiat some point of time the fastest arm processors were the IOP cores, which most usually found on raid cards14:43
Maceris there a way for me to test io speeds?14:43
suihkulokkiso joked about installing linux/arm these raid controllers14:43
StskeepsMacer: zpool iostat -v is a good way to check it i guess14:43
Macerthink the areca uses an intel14:43
suihkulokkiyes, intel iop331 - a arm14:44
Macerthat only works during a read or write14:45
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Maceri dont feel like doing an xfer... takes too long to type it on the g114:45
Maceri dont even use my n800 anymore14:45
Macerthe qwerty makes all the difference14:46
Stskeepsi'm in dire need of a n800, heh. saw my video? :>14:46
Stskeeps(no idea if your g1 does youtube)14:47
lcukqwerty is overrated, im waiting for the nokia n930 which includes your own personal secretary for dictation and typing services14:47
lcukStskeeps, does that scroll the opposite way if you move to the southern hemisphere?14:48
Stskeepslcuk: no clue. i wonder on the effect of rotation too.14:48
MacerStskeeps: it does14:48
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lcukit might make an impressive (but expensively impractical) bookreader :D14:49
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GeneralAntillestimeless, ping?14:50
aquatixStskeeps: wtf14:51
aquatix@youtube movie14:51
Stskeepsaquatix: yeah, it makes things a little more difficult. occasionally it's stable thoug.14:51
Macerit reminds me of an old tv14:52
Macerthat you had to turn sync knobs on heh14:52
MacerStskeeps:  do you need an n800?14:52
Macerthat works =)14:53
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Stskeepsyeah, cos i can't really test Xomap stuff anymore, heh14:54
Macerwell... you can have mine14:55
Macerconsider it my contribution to your cause14:55
Macerit is collecting dust anyways14:55
Stskeepscould be good - just worried about shipping14:55
Macerwell... where are you?14:55
Stskeepssince i'm in .dk14:55
Maceroh crap lol14:56
Stskeepsbut i have chargers and all that crap already14:56
Macerim in chicago14:56
Stskeepsso it would really just be the tablet14:56
Maceri can send it usps not sure how long it would take to get there14:56
Macerprobably 2-3 weeks if they even go there14:57
Stskeepsah, i don't mind the waiting time14:57
Stskeepsand yes, they do :P14:57
Stskeepsaquatix: wtf14:57
Macerwell.. i'll msg you14:57
X-FadeMacer: Probably a day of 4 with usps.14:58
Stskeepsjust be sure to mark it as gift :P14:58
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Maceror do they tax you? =)15:00
Stskeepsthey'll tax a little bit but we'll see what happens15:01
Stskeepsdanish P.O are assholes so15:01
Macerhaha... here too ;)15:01
* lcuk sends stskeeps n envelope full of expensive air as a gift15:02
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lcukbut forgets to mark it as a gift and leaves the RRP on it15:02
t_s_ohmm, seeing M5 running on beagleboard got me interested. not sure if i like the ui, but still, im interested15:03
t_s_ofunny how the scroll bars are still small tho, given how everything else seems scaled for finger use15:03
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lcukdoesnt matter how largeg the scroll bars are if the entire area is grabbable15:04
* lcuk doesnt know if it is tho15:04
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GeneralAntillest_s_o, the alpha UI isn't the final UI15:05
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GeneralAntillesBut, yes, the whole area should be dragable and flickable15:05
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* lcuk flicks GeneralAntilles15:06
t_s_oheh, that full screen close animation kinda surprised me btw15:06
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lcukt_s_o, surprised me as well, it simply wouldnt run on my tabletpc, i only saw it once VDVsx made a video15:07
lcukit was actually faster using a VNC session from someone over the internet than it was locally on my machine!15:08
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qwerty12spambot? :> :P15:12
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wazdhey everybody15:37
Stskeepshey wazd15:37
Stskeepswe solved the marquee problem we had.. you know, we wondered why the background didn't work on it?15:37
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Stskeepsturns out we got tricked. the reason why it was black, is because the wallpaper was centered, and we were on a 800x600 screen, with a 800x480 wallpaper ;p15:38
Stskeepsguess out how it looks15:38
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wazdWhat do you think bout new OSM2GO icon?
Stskeepshehe, neat16:02
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aquatixwazd: cute16:02
aquatixwhat's OSM2GO? :)16:02
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wazdopensource software for map creation16:02
wazdone of the Fremantle Stars :)16:02
aquatixah check :)16:02
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VDVsxdneary, Happy birthday :P16:24
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wazdHappy B-day Dneary!16:28
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GeneralAntillesI wonder if we'll have a say in the official strings with the community translations for Harmattan.16:31
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GeneralAntillesds3, ping?16:37
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mikkov___274X-Fade: I think my wormux build is still stuck
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X-Fademikkov___274: It got killed off when we needed to reboot the machine ;)17:03
wazdStskeeps: nice, but close button is too big now)17:03
Stskeepswazd: 90px wide17:03
wazdStskeeps: Icon I mean17:03
Stskeepswe remade it in inkscape so it was more resizable17:04
Stskeepscome in #mer and discuss with me and zenvoid on improvements :P17:04
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dnearyhi wazd, thanks17:05
dnearyAnd VDVsx17:05
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aquatixStskeeps: hm, the various fades in the top bar don't look that nice to me; makes it a bit grayish17:10
aquatixand it reminds me of the winxp bar :)17:10
lardmandneary: a belated Happy Birthday :)17:10
lardmannot headed for the pub yet?!17:11
MacerStskeeps:  you get an odd fopen permission denied error in nexenta?17:11
StskeepsMacer: i haven't dist-upgraded recently17:11
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xiaohui_liu I am very interested on the the idea of "Enhance the OpenCV's maemo port "17:14
Macercant get i did to begin with17:14
xiaohui_liuWho can tell me where should I to start it17:15
* RST38h feels like starting a rumor today17:15
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RST38hLet us say, RX-51 is definitely going to have an OLED display, that is why Maemo5 SDK theme is so dark17:16
roopeWe're living in dark times. :)17:17
JaffaStskeeps: shiny screenshot17:17
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GeneralAntillesRST38h, it's transflective.17:21
GeneralAntillesAt least as far as one can divine from the part numbers17:21
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Macerfixed it17:35
Macernexenta is awesome17:35
lcukroope, its not that dark, spring is coming!17:35
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Maceri mean... just simply... awesome =)17:36
timsamofflcuk: We just got three inches of snow.17:36
lcukthose bright oranges on the new maemo website are like vodka for your eyes :D17:36
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lcuklol timsamoff haha, we had snow over hte weekend17:36
lcukby dinner time the same day people were setting up bbqs17:36
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lcukenglish folks and sunshine are mental :|17:36
timsamofflcuk: Thankfully rain and wamrth have all but melted it already.17:36
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lcukhappy birthday dneary \o17:37
gnutonHi there17:38
gnutonIs there a party here?17:38
lcuki dunno, but ill let you buy a round of drinks anyway17:38
gnutondneary: happy birthday!! :D17:38
gnutonlcuk: ahah :D17:38
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timsamofflcuk: I usually pour the vodka right on my eyes. :p17:38
gnutonlcuk: alchool or soft drinks? :P17:38
lardmantimsamoff: pour it of throw it at your eyes, missing your mouth, when you've had a few too many? ;)17:39
lcukthats the voice of experience if ever i heard it17:40
* timsamoff can't believe his bad reputation.17:41
lardmanand people are looking up to you being on the council and all :)17:41
RST38hGeneral: you are spoiling the rumor :)17:41
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* lardman still thinks etrunko's late entrance for the presentation was classic :D17:41
* timsamoff thinks it won't be etrunko's last late entrance.17:42
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etrunkounbelievable how it worked17:43
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etrunkoeven without planning anything17:43
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etrunko"there's this guy, Eduardo Lima..."17:43
etrunko"there he is"17:43
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lardmanwe were far less polite before you came in :p17:44
timsamoffHa ha. No, remember... We planned for 5 minutes between sessions.17:44
etrunkolardman: i saw the video17:44
lardmankonttori_: not aimed at you, don't worry :)17:44
lardmanetrunko: damn! :)17:44
lcuk"council members gone wild"17:45
* lcuk shudders17:45
etrunkotimsamoff: its just a matter of having presentations in the afternoon..17:45
timsamofflcuk: Wishing you were at our hotel to see it. :p17:46
lardmanetrunko: that is so true17:46
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* timsamoff will remember that for next time.17:46
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RST38hmoo wazd17:47
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wazdRST38h: hey :)17:48
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wazdRST38h: can you draw in paint or something the layout that device selector should have?17:49
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dnearyThanks gnuton, lcuk17:52
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gnutondneary: :D18:01
timsamoffHave fun everyone. Catch you later.18:03
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Stskeepsheh, the "which it device do you own" poll should have had RX-51 and RX-71 in it and "prototype"18:28
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GeneralAntillesFoiled by benny1967 again18:43
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GeneralAntillesI keep typing out these long replies to her questions and forgetting she has me on ignore.18:44
lcukGeneralAntilles, benny is a girl?18:45
GeneralAntilleslcuk, as far as I can tell.18:45
GeneralAntillesI COULD be wrong, but that's the impression I've gotten.18:45
GeneralAntilles(I'm likely wrong, I would've sworn krisse was a dude even after Quim corrected me twice. ;))18:46
lardmanGeneralAntilles: what did you do to offend him/her? ;)18:46
qwerty12GeneralAntilles, he's a guy :P18:46
GeneralAntilleslardman, just my charming personality.18:46
lardmanqwerty12: that's probably why he's offended :D18:46
qwerty12lol :D18:46
* Myrtti is glad about not being active on any discussion forums these days18:47
lardmanGeneralAntilles: you didn't order him to write a blog post or anything nasty like that? :)18:47
GeneralAntilleslardman, no, but your blog posts have now been converted to some sort of beverage. :P18:47
GeneralAntillesThat voting thread is a funny thing. I'd never have pictured myself as such a polarizer.18:48
StskeepsMyrtti: i check iTT while having my morning coffee. that scares me sometimes.18:48
lardmanGeneralAntilles: blog posts?! Mine are like unicorns18:48
MyrttiStskeeps: I used to be a moderator of one of the biggest discussion forums in Finland18:48
GeneralAntillesSo, what, 8 people? :P18:49
lardman(that is fabled and non-existant, not white and horny)18:49
MyrttiStskeeps: technically I might still be18:49
lcuklardman, beware - Myrtti has a thing for unicorns, she might come hunting18:50
StskeepsGeneralAntilles: we're including "Drag lock" patch for mer 0.11, heh :)18:51
JaffaStskeeps: nice :)18:51
Stskeepswaiting for pygtk to build so i can actually test it..18:52
qwerty12Build a simple C applet18:52
Stskeepsyes, but homeip is so excellent18:53
lardmananyone have any comments on the barcode GSoC page I put up?18:53
lcuklardman, link18:55
lcukta,  Stskeeps drag lock, is that to stop applet madness, or to make it that bit more random18:56
Stskeepsto make the applets stay in place18:56
lcuk(drag lock on desktop is odd!)18:56
lcukthen its not drag lock is it?   what was it called in os200718:56
Stskeepslayout mode18:57
lcukDefinition of: drag lock. The ability to lock onto a screen object so that it can be dragged with the mouse without continuously holding down the mouse (18:57
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lcuklardman, have you seen or spoken with lbt - he has a really good suggestion that the barcode scanner expose a DBUS signal upon identification, that way any listening programs can react - barcode scanning *could* in theory be inserted right at the core of the gstreamer stack to allow global barcode availablility19:01
lardmanyes I saw that mentioned on the maemo-devel list, sounds like a good idea19:01
lcukin theory it does, but whether or not its gonna be useful actually, shopper already would have to modify its UI to show hide the camera anyway19:02
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derflardman: Unless the student has lots of image processing experience (which for an undergrad would be surprising), I would suggest that 1) would probably not be a good idea.19:02
lcukunless of course just opening up the main camera app does it19:02
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lardmanderf: agreed, I just wanted to list all the things I think could be done19:03
derfOkay. Just saying you may want to put some caveats there, and possibly not list it first.19:03
lardmanderf: not really worth doing 1) atm anyway, as the existing codes are fine (if a bit slow in some cases). More of an academic project19:03
lcukderf, i agree, but if the framework could be hammered to get decent 1d scanning using a plugin type class structure it can be expanded on with relative ease19:03
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lcuklardman, do you think the devil keeps an N8x0 handy and sans everyones souls19:04
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* lcuk likes 3.3.5 :D19:05
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lardmanno point in limiting ourselves19:05
lcukagreed there19:06
lcukmost of the barcode processing ive done was with zapper guns and it simply returned the code as a string for entry in the syste mat the correct place19:07
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lardmanyeah, the gun acts as a keyboard and sends the ascii codes19:07
lardmanAnyway, do feel free to add comments, things I've missed out, etc19:08
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lardmanI just thought that any GSoC students should really focus on something useful rather than re-inventing the wheel19:09
lcukyeah thats positively agreed19:09
sistoanyone know what the default device lock pass is?19:10
lcukit has a lock?19:11
sistoon n81019:11
sistopress the power button19:11
* lcuk has had n810 for over 12 months now and has never seen a pass19:11
sistothen select lock device19:11
lcukoh, i never use that19:11
Stskeepsor 000019:11
lcukbut dont enter it wrong twice19:11
derfMy point was, to really do things properly, you need an integrated detector that is looking for _all_ of the formats at once. None of the one-off "recognize this specific format" libraries are structured like that, so to build such a thing requires a lot of work.19:11
lcukor it locks forever19:11
tank-manHi, I ran this command "apt-get remove docpurge" does this sound safe? its asking to remove 2 packages "docpurge osso-software-version-rx34"19:11
lcukderf, you just became the norton antivirus of barcode detectors!19:12
sistoStskeeps: none work19:12
Stskeepstank-man: why do you want to remove docpurge? :P19:12
tank-mancause i want help files19:12
Stskeepsit doesnt resurrect them19:12
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tank-manwell for new programs i install from now on , i want help files for them19:12
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lardmanderf: the way zxing does it is to use quick and dirty identifier functions, I suggest that in 1.519:13
tank-manspecifically for maxima ( a math CAS program)19:13
derfI mean, a lot of this stuff is very similar... looking for black/white/black/etc. segments with lengths of these approximate ratios...19:13
sistoGOT IT!!!!!!!!19:13
sistoit was 1234519:13
derfThere is no reason you should not be looking for all of those simultaneously.19:13
qwerty12tank-man, move /etc/apt/apt.conf.d/99-docpurge19:13
lcuki do agree19:13
qwerty12tank-man, then it won't run when you install something19:13
tank-manthanks qwerty12 ill look into that file19:14
lardmanderf: it's probably simpler (and therefore easier to write and make it work) to work from the easy cases up wards in complexity19:14
lcukand i wonder if - like with a virus scan - you can split detecftion into 2 phases, quick identification followed by indepth confirmation - which is basically what lardman said up there as well19:14
lardmanderf: so 1D is pretty trivial, no point in doing all the thresholding business needed for a 2D pattern if it turns out that 1D can do it19:14
lardmani.e. threshold just the one line of pixels, not the whole image19:15
derflardman: You're still assuming that there's only one code in the image.19:15
lardmanderf: true19:15
derfWhich is emphatically not true in real images.19:15
lcuktheres an advert some magazines for a camera i think, and its facial recognition has highlighted about 20 faces in the pic19:15
derfQR codes even have a fun mode called "Double QR" that has a smaller QR code embedded in a larger code.19:16
lcukreally neat :)19:16
derfSo you can't even assume they don't overlap!19:16
lardmanif it can be made to work fast enough then fine, otherwise go the easy route and get something that works19:16
lardmanderf: but once you've recognised that it's a QR you can process that extra stuff?19:16
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derfWell, that is what I'm currently doing.19:16
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lardmangood good :)19:17
lardmanhow long does the decoder take?19:17
lcukqr is identified by the 3 corner unitsw isnt it - those act like the guard bars on a standard EAN code?19:17
derf~10% longer than zxing for codes they both successfully recognize.19:17
lardmanwhat kind of order of magnitude are we talking?19:17
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derfI haven't benchmarked it on the actual device with camera-sized images.19:18
GeneralAntillesStupid cat19:18
derfOr even at all without the overhead of PNG decoding.19:18
lardmanI guess porting the whole of ZXing to C/C++ is an option; or obtaining GCC with a java compiler of course19:18
derfLet's just say PNG decoding is a significant fraction of it.19:18
lcukderf, "camera sized images" - n8x0 webcam, or proper multi mpixel?19:19
derflcuk: N8x0 camera.19:20
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lcukfair enough19:20
derfImage size makes a large difference for the detection. It's not nearly as important for decoding.19:21
lcuklibpng would like to strongly disagree with you :P19:22
derfAnyway, my point was that it is, in fact, very important to limit a GSoC project to something a student can reasonably be expected to do.19:23
derfAnd students are not very good judges of what they can actually do.19:23
lardmanI guess so, but don't they choose depending on what they think they can do?19:24
lardmanah, I see :)19:24
derflardman: Students have spent years having projects spoon fed to them that are designed to be exactly appropriate for their current skill level.19:24
derfI honestly think some of them have never even considered that they might not be able to do some proposed task.19:25
lardmanwell the problem I have is that I know what I think should be done, and I'd just do it myself if I had the time19:25
derfYes. You cannot treat GSoC projects like that.19:25
Stskeepsheh, - i'm a student programmer at a research project. we've ended up concluding our job description is to "figure out how to do the impossible and then do it"19:25
lardmanand as people have chosen to look at barcode stuff, I thought I should at least stick my oar in and say what I think needs doing19:26
derfI mean, you never know... sometimes you get a truly exceptional student.19:26
derfBut they're usually in high demand.19:26
lardmanI do wonder really at some of the timelines, all seem to be very relaxed19:28
lardmanconsidering they will be working full time on the projects19:28
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derfIn my experience $4500 and no accountability means it's very unlikely they will actually work anything like a real full-time schedule, though of course they will all claim to.19:29
lardmanyeah, bit of an issue that, unless they really love the thing they are going to work on19:30
derfRight. That's what you really have to be selecting for.19:30
derfYou want the guy who would be doing this stuff anyway.19:30
lardmanbut looking at some of the plans, they don't actually realise what is extant, which sort of says they are looking for anything to do19:30
derfYeah, those guys are pretty hard to find, while the "looking for anything to do" students are quite common.19:31
GeneralAntillesI say we tie lardman to a chair for the Summer. :P19:31
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derfI'd pay $5 to make that happen.19:32
lardmanGeneralAntilles: I promise to do some programming soon19:32
lardmannot sure my fiancée would appreciate me not making to the wedding as I'm tied to a chair programming mind you :)19:32
GeneralAntillesWhat good are promises when we can guarantee it by force? :D19:33
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lardmanthat's why I daren't turn up to the mini-summit in May ;)19:33
* Myrtti has seen quite many good projects in the Finnish equivalent of GSoC19:34
lardmananyway, home time, I might even manage to get past the wedding organisation stuff (Windows) and boot my Linux box and write some code19:34
lardmancu guys (& girls) later19:34
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wazdbtw, anyone is planning to reach SPB FRUCT?)19:34
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rm_youtheres a mini-summit in May? :P19:51
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Stskeepswhere'd you pick that up? :P19:52
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GeneralAntillesAlright, that was short lived.20:00
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GeneralAntillesI tried to get the hidden category template working20:01
GeneralAntillesbut Wikipedia templates quickly branch out into template hell20:01
GeneralAntillesNot dissimilar from dependency hell.20:02
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mikkov_X-Fade: ping21:13
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* RST38h yawns21:28
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slonopotamusi have bt & wifi working21:29
slonopotamusnow, join gentoo on n8x0 or surrender :D21:29
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Stskeepsyes, but we have glitzy ui :P21:30
slonopotamusStskeeps, it's just a question of writing ebuilds21:30
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GeneralAntillesDon't love the toolbar gradient21:32
Stskeepsthere's a GSoC project on putting maemo into openembedded as well21:32
GeneralAntillesFlat like Echo is nicer21:32
slonopotamusStskeeps, when wpa_supplicant shuts down, it does something nasty to cx3110x making it unload firmware. do you have any workaround?21:32
StskeepsGeneralAntilles: yeah.. we have some problems with gradient atm21:32
Stskeepsslonopotamus: does it do ifconfig wlan0 down? :P21:32
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slonopotamusStskeeps, it does something :) i didn't understand what exactly yet21:33
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VDVsxStskeeps, we already have proposals for that project :P21:33
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slonopotamusStskeeps, and the only way i found to restore firmware - rmmod && modprobe21:34
StskeepsVDVsx: anywhere visible if you need comments?21:34
Stskeepsi can quickly say if it's realistic :P21:34
slonopotamusStskeeps, but that's kinda ugly21:34
Stskeepsslonopotamus: ifconfig wlan0 up? :P21:34
VDVsxStskeeps, not yet, only a draft21:34
slonopotamusStskeeps, that doesn't load firmware back21:34
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Stskeepsslonopotamus: think it does21:35
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slonopotamusStskeeps, oh, and i'm updating to gcc-4.3.2 :)21:36
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slonopotamusStskeeps, oh, all the time forget to ask you. do you have sound in mer?21:45
Stskeepsslonopotamus: not yet, do you?21:45
Stskeepswithout osso-dsp-modules21:45
slonopotamusStskeeps, nope21:46
slonopotamussome problem with it?21:46
Stskeepswell we need DSP tasks to output sound21:46
slonopotamuswhat 'dsp tasks' is?21:47
slonopotamusmagic thing in closed binary?21:47
Stskeepswell there's a DSP in the processors21:48
Stskeepsand they obviously have to have software running in it, hence, DSP tasks21:48
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slonopotamusStskeeps, kind of firmware?21:49
Stskeepsyeah, sortof21:49
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Stskeepsbut yeah, magic thing in closed package applies21:50
slonopotamusStskeeps, and where's it in maemo?21:50
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Stskeepsit's a combination of osso-dsp-loader(sp) and osso-dsp-modules-rx-4421:50
slonopotamusStskeeps, closed and not present in initfs?21:52
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Stskeepsthere is a ARM output in kernel but i can't seem to figure out if it can be used21:53
slonopotamushmm...  write package that'll download it from  maemo repo? :)21:53
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Stskeepsyeah, i did that for deblet21:53
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tds5016hello all. Is there anyone here that has dealt with getting a camera recognized using flex wiht maemo?22:01
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Stskeepsevenign timelE61i22:05
tds5016or rather... are there any developers for the nokia n810 that could help me out?22:05
timelE61ifwiw, it takes me very close to 18months to get bugs fixed here22:05
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qwerty12_N800Stskeeps: so... where's my cookie? I'm hungry.22:06
* Stskeeps passes qwerty12_N800 a chocolate cookie22:06
timelE61ianyway, what can i do?22:07
StskeepstimelE61i: heh, bug cycles are nasty22:07
qwerty12_N800yay! ta22:07
* timelE61i is poking people about fremantle/diablo features to get them to fix them for harmattan at the earliest22:07
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StskeepstimelE61i: missing a bit of context of the 18 months comment, btw22:09
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timelE61ists: oh, it's consistent for lots of bugs22:10
timelE61iThis was a bug asking the pdf app to use adjectives instead of verbs in info banners22:10
timelE61iAdding "ing" to two strings costs 18 months...22:11
Stskeepswell i guess it's the consequence of it being a vendor OS, - "priorities"22:11
* timelE61i shrugs22:11
Stskeepswith a community OS you could probably ask someone to take on the simple dirty work22:11
* timelE61i stabs jeremiah22:11
timelE61ists: or i could translate the whole thing22:12
timelE61iAs i've done22:12
timelE61iIn well under a month22:12
timelE61iBut no... Strings and delegation = fail22:12
timelE61iIt's the problem, not the solution22:12
timelE61iYou don't delegate string responsibility to non native speakers22:13
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Stskeepsmm, i'm still pondering how on earth to get mer localization kickstarted and which type of infrastructure to use for it22:14
timelE61ii'd recommend using my debs22:14
timelE61ii'll give you updates once frem stops having secrets22:15
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Stskeepsyeah but those versions have the comment text explained or how was it?22:15
timelE61iWrt bugs, i'm filing them in mer and andre is upstreaming them22:15
timelE61iOh, i can push things w/ my comments i suppose22:15
Stskeepsi mean, we have a skeleton in the engineering english ones to base off22:16
timelE61iI just need to make sure i replace all the nokia comments (which no one wants)22:16
timelE61iYou don't want skel22:16
timelE61iThe comments are wrong often enough to be more harm than good22:16
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* timelE61i wonders who recognizes "no more secrets"22:22
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jaskasetec astronomy22:23
jaskaargh... thats too many :D22:23
jaskanot no more22:23
* jaska facepalms22:23
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andre__Stskeeps, yeah, launchpad or transifex, or your own setup of damned-lies or sth like that....22:39
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lcukor should i give them away from with an n800?22:47
qwerty12_N800you may have to: northerners aren't high in value22:48
jaemhey folks22:48
qwerty12_N800hi jaem22:48
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jaemI was reading wikipedia, and came across the article about jackalopes22:51
jaemwhich I read, because of the Ubuntu reference22:51
jaemthe real story behind them is pretty disgusting22:51
jaemhrm... I'm confused as to why my N810 won't connect to my friend's wifi22:52
jaemhe says he didn't change anything except the key, and setting it to AES (it was already WPA2)22:53
jaemand it worked before22:53
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till-reboot your n81023:01
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jaemtill-: I have23:04
jaemseveral times23:04
till-or your friends ap23:04
jaemother networks work fine, but it continually errors out23:05
jaemI can ask him to23:05
jaemwhy would that be the issue?23:05
till-sometimes my ap is invisible on some devices23:05
till-but it worked once?23:05
jaemwell, I can see it, and everything appears normal23:06
jaemit just errors otu23:06
jaemthanks, though - I'll try that23:06
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padovanhi, is there any diablo kernel git tree?23:13
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tds5016can someone tell me if they know if you can et flash 9 to see the camera on maemo?23:16
qwerty12_N800tz1 hacked flashcam to work but it only works with chinook's flash23:17
tds5016I am trying to write an app in flex that will let the camera be used with flex media server.23:18
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padovanflorian: is there any diablo kernel git tree?23:22
florianpadovan: no that i'm aware of23:23
Maceri get a kick out of the 100MB/s network speeds i'm getting with this nexenta server :) it's great23:24
tds5016what is chinook version?23:26
padovanflorian: I wanna see the difference from linus tree, I'll try to look the diff in deb package instead =)23:30
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padovanflorian: another question: is the work in GSoC just upgrade the drivers to the new kernel API and features?23:31
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tds5016can someone tell me how I get the video from the nokia n810?23:53
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RST38hyou do not23:56
RST38hno video out23:56
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tds5016RST38h: was that to me?23:57
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tds5016RST38h: so I can't use flex/flash to get/stream video?23:57
RST38hthis I do not know.23:57
tds5016hmm, do you have any idea how I would go about getting the camera to use in flex?23:58
tds5016if that makes snes?23:58
tds5016or any place I could go to look for htat?23:58
RST38hyou probably don't.23:58
tds5016flash and camera don't relaly work together with google.23:58

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